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July 1, 1997 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's who we are.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Wasn't that quite something?
		The following facts from Bill in Fairfield, California should sum it up.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any object traveling in the Earth's atmosphere at an estimated velocity of 17,000 miles an hour, or less, is going to be tracked by one of the major agencies.
		The reason why these agencies, JPL, NASA, and so forth, want the footage is evident.
		The object was tracked, verified, is real, and may be of interest to the current back engineering efforts.
		The video offers an unusual insight with regard to the thermal dynamics of these objects.
		Bill, in Fairfield, California.
		We're going to open line shortly, and we've got a lot to talk about.
		I want to remind my audience, we've got a change in scheduling for this Sunday's Dreamland with Linda Moulton-Howe.
		We will have Colonel Philip Corzo, who wrote the day after Roswell, which is the $64 million interview.
		And we've lined it up.
		It'll be this Sunday on Dreamland.
		And this Friday night, Saturday morning, Beyond Roswell by Michael Hessman.
		Michael Hessman will be my guest.
		He'll be here along with so many others who have written significant works on Roswell.
		You know, that event that didn't occur until at least 1953 with time compression.
		And I've got an additional bulletin that I'm going to reread on Roswell and something on Mars for 1050.
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		Remember the other day I reported a dust storm forming on Mars that would affect the landing site or may affect the landing site for the Mars Pathfinder mission.
		Well, I got a million facts saying, baloney, it's not in the news.
		We can't find it.
		Baloney, there is no storm.
		Oh, yes, there is.
		From Bob in Honolulu, did you hear the news on Mars?
		Now they're coming out with a story on the news that a dust storm has formed and is moving directly toward the Pathfinder landing zone.
		They say the storm could cause or possibly build to a point where it would cover the entire planet.
		Doesn't this sound like a buildup toward a laid landing, as Richard Hoagland had predicted?
		In fact, here is a Reuters story that just cleared.
		Let me read a portion of it to you.
		An unexpected, large dust storm on Mars is moving toward the July 4th landing site of NASA's unmanned Pathfinder spacecraft.
		The dust storm is filling the Valles Marineris Canyon system, a series of three to five mile deep canyons stretching for 1,800 miles and coming to within 600 miles of the Pathfinder landing site.
		Unless the dust storm evolves into a massive global event, its effects on Pathfinder should be minimal, according to Steve Lee of the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics of the University of Colorado at Boulder.
		Quote, this is something we did not expect to see.
		It's very early in the Martian year for major dust storms to occur, he said.
		It could go away tomorrow, stay for weeks, or turn into a global dust storm.
		We have not seen a storm like this before, so we just don't know.
		And that's from Reuters, ladies and gentlemen.
		So nobody right now is saying this will delay or stop or divert the Pathfinder mission.
		But just so you know, that I was not tinkering about in areas of speculation the other day.
		The dust storm on Mars is real and apparently is threatening.
		You know, take that and do what you will with it.
		In addition, I want to reread this because this apparently is going to be the big news to come from Roswell.
		I was really expecting something exactly like this.
		Dateline Roswell, a press conference scheduled for 9 a.m., July 4th, 1997 at the Rierson Auditorium on the New Mexico Military Institute campus in Roswell, New Mexico is to present the results of scientific tests performed on crash debris found near Roswell,
		New Mexico 50 years ago that this says once and for all will prove the downed vehicle was not of Earth origin.
		A research scientist from a major university involved in the testing is going to be on hand to discuss the methodology and the results of the isotopic ratio tests of the Roswell debris.
		Isotopic radio tests of Roswell.
		Now, supporting conclusions and a battery of tests conducted by universities and national labs will be provided that conclude, listen now, the Roswell debris is manufactured material of extra-terrestrial Origin.
		Paul Davids, executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell, is sponsoring the presentation of this evidence during his program at the 50th anniversary, along with images of the actual Roswell crash debris.
		The chain of evidence will also be presented validating the Roswell incident as the recovery of a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle.
		That's a news release I got about an hour and a half ago.
		Paul, if you're out there, send me a fax.
		Paul Davids, send me a fax and we'll get you on the air very quickly and let you elaborate on this if you would like to, Paul.
		I know you're out there somewhere.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on a sec.
		I'm getting an echo for some reason.
		Let me try this again.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a little better.
unidentified		Okay.
		I wanted to tell you, I'm very honored to talk to you.
		And it's nice to talk to someone who has as much integrity that you do.
		And I also wanted to, I hope Mr. Lamphere is listening.
		He has a lot of integrity and honesty, and that's great.
		But the reason I called, it's amazing the people that are trying to get a hold of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's also amazing that the government says, oh, gee, we don't have a Star Wars program anymore.
		It's gone.
		You know, it's defunct.
		And all of a sudden they're getting a hold of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we don't investigate that stuff anymore.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We inquire about it.
unidentified		But isn't that something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, you've got to say just the right words these days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like time compression.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		But I thought it was awfully funny that, you know, oh, we don't have a Star Wars program anymore, but now they're trying to get a hold of him?
		Mm-hmm.
		What's wrong with this picture?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything's wrong with the whole picture on all of this right now.
unidentified		Oh, isn't it funny?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a very big announcement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If, in fact, they have done isotopic tests, isotopic tests, I guess it would be, ratio tests, and this material is not of Earth origin, then they've really got a gotcha here.
unidentified		Oh, isn't it wonderful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think it's great.
unidentified		But I wanted to, you know, just let him know that it's nice to hear someone who has that much honesty and integrity in their life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's very nice, and I'm very honored to talk to you too also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		That's why I had Landback.
		Obviously, obviously, what he's got is very anomalous.
		And he's being very careful in how he's dealing with this.
		And putting the AVI file up, I think, is a very generous, credible thing to do.
		So to get to his site, you can go to my site, www.artbell.com.
		And in the guest section, even in the new section, you will see a link to the Wind Chaser web site.
		On my international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		It's Catherine calling from Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Good, very good.
unidentified		So I have a playful explanation for this UFO in storm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm a whitewater inner tuber, and maybe this is E.T. getting their thrills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would be a thrill going into the center of a storm that has a tornado.
		No question about that.
		Very thrilling.
unidentified		Really?
		What a thought, eh?
		Imagine diving into something like that.
		Anyway, that's all I wanted to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for saying it.
		Have a good morning.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Let me turn my radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always do that, by the way.
unidentified		My name's John.
unidentified		I'm in Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John.
unidentified		And I happen to be the original provider on the STS-80 footage.
unidentified		Oh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I'm a close friend of Bill Hamilton's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		All right, then I have a copy of the STS-80 footage.
		We had a report from Linda Howe.
		Did you hear Dreamland this last Sunday?
unidentified		I listened to parts of it, yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Parts of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the part of it that related to the report from Australia?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		You have to refresh my memory, but I found it very interesting talking about the range there.
		They have the Womera range out there in Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and they believe there are electromagnetic pulsing devices there.
		Now, indeed, would you confirm for the audience what I have told them?
		At one point in the STS video 80, it's obvious the ground controllers zoom in on what appears to be an Australian city, and they just hold there, waiting and waiting and waiting.
		They had not zoomed in on anything like that previously, but they zoomed in on an Australian city, and then suddenly describe for them what happens.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I think what happened is Hoagland's got an original footage that includes footage that I didn't get.
		Oh, you don't have it?
		Well, I don't have all of the footage, no.
		I got the STS-80 on December 1st at 5 minutes to 12 Pacific Standard Time to about 25 after 12, which would have been December 2nd Pacific Standard Time.
		Oh, okay.
		What I sent Bill on the clip was a control track that had the low image night camera from a previous mission day as a control tape to show what's typical.
		And then I put the STS-80 December 1st footage following that after control track break to show the non-typical anomalous content.
		But that didn't mean that I had all the footage for the whole mission, which I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, a remarkable event is captured on tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm sitting here watching NASA Select right now on the current mission, and it's something that's very perplexing to me, which I wanted to bring up on the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you see?
unidentified		Well, of course, December of 96 was STS-80.
		In between, we have a few missions that have had problems.
		The current mission on their Houston Control Center display is showing STS-94, 94.
		and their mission control narrator is calling it Mission Control 94, STS-94, audibly on the voice track, you know, when he's announcing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I can't figure out how we get up to 94 so fast.
unidentified		I don't remember all those missions between December and now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this mission is a replacement mission, I believe, for a mission that was aborted because of a bad power cell.
unidentified		That's correct.
		That's what they're saying.
		But their display on ground control on their trajectory for the orbiter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how we would get to 94 there.
unidentified		Yeah, well, they're saying 94 on their narrator, and they're displaying STS-94 on their mission display board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they launched a few things we didn't notice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
unidentified		I can't account for it.
		And I thought, well, maybe somebody's got a knowledge, and maybe Richard might have a knowledge.
		The curious thing to me that Richard's research on the actual position, because when they're going on this, on the earth views in the daylight, or on the low-light imaging camera, they're not telling you where they're at.
		There's no narrative usually.
		Right.
		So you're kind of in the dark as an individual watching this over exactly where you're at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Richard, with regard to the Australian city, did a great deal of research and narrowed it down to Australia.
		They know exactly now where they were and what they were looking at.
		And you have to see this.
		It is the most remarkable footage I have ever seen.
unidentified		Period.
		I'd like to see it myself.
		I've got some of the other missions that Hamilton's furnished to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I'm holding this right now with respect for Richard Hoagland.
		I would love to make an ABI file of it and upload it.
		And if he gives me permission, I will.
unidentified		Yeah, I understand Tom King's Odney Chapter House has got four minutes of it on his homepage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, does he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Because when I sent the copy to Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it of what I'm talking about?
unidentified		No, it's of the STS-80.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, of the Australian city.
unidentified		But it's from the content that I sent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it's a little confusing to me because Richard's been on your program and he says he got the original footage from NASA and he's determined that they were passing over the coast of Chile, over Santiago, Chile, on earlier programs.
		So apparently he's talking about other footage.
		And my understanding and listening to him, he was talking about the STS-80 on the footage that I originally sent Bill Hamilton.
		I also sent Jack Casher, a Super VHS cop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now this must be in addition to that.
unidentified		Yeah, because he's talking two locations.
unidentified		One is, you know, Australia, and one's the STS-80 footage that I provided was going, he's determined was going over San Diego, Chile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, the latest pinpointed it as, and I can't remember, he said it may have been Melbourne or Perth.
		I can't recall.
		But they did pinpoint it to an Australian city.
unidentified		Yeah, well, this is one of the few times I've ever been sitting here going expetite deleted at my own television set.
		It's when I was watching this, and it's just as sensational as you described to the listeners.
		And I know that they've shown free frames in the Alien Counter magazine in England.
		And I'm waiting for the results.
		So hopefully Tom De La Toso's gotten a copy, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Jim?
unidentified		Jim De La Toso, yeah.
unidentified		Bill's provided him with a copy, and of course he provides it to Tom King, and I sent a copy to Jack Casher on Bill Hamilton's request.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm beginning to see a pattern here, a big pattern, with what's seen on the 48 video, the 80 video, the kind of thing that Lan Lamphier talked about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you beginning to see a pattern yourself?
unidentified		Well, this is one of the reasons I called when I was listening to Lan Lampheari earlier talking about the velocity of the object that he recorded.
		He said, well, I don't know of any object that could travel at that velocity without effects at ground level.
		Sure.
		He says, I do know of one aircraft that we have that can travel at that speed, but higher up in the atmosphere.
		Yes.
		However, he didn't elaborate on what he was talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would have been the space shuttle at that kind of speed.
unidentified		Yeah, it would seem so, except for the space shuttle was out of the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		All right.
		Well, listen, hold on a moment.
		We'll get right back to you.
		This is CBZ.
unidentified		Brags on.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Back to my caller on hold.
		From Ron in Birmingham, Alabama, dear Art, looking at a list of scheduled shuttle launches for 1997.
		According to it, the current mission ought to be STS-84, not 94.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		Yes, well, that's what I assumed.
		I expected to see 84 myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they may just have a digit incorrect, and of course, they just blather on and repeat whatever they see that is incorrect.
unidentified		Well, you know, I talked with a friend of mine about this before calling you earlier this evening, and, you know, we went over the thing like the worksheets that they are distributing as you watch them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Their timetables and everything else.
unidentified		They all have the mission nomenclature identifier and everything on it, and how they could get it Up there and say 94s, and then orally announce it as STS-94, along with that other thing on the display board, is kind of a mystery to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one answer for it, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time compression.
unidentified		Time compression, yes.
unidentified		Mind compression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I had some things I'd like to mention in behalf of Richard Hoagland's research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And one of the things that I'm interested in telling him about is to look at the works of an author, H.S. Bellamy and P. Allen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That would be something to tell him directly, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And again, the headline is, Dust Storm Menaces Mars Probe Landing Site.
		And I had this news on the other day, and people sent me very derisive faxes and email and said, what a bunch of baloney.
unidentified		We haven't heard that on the news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can't be true.
		It's not on the news.
		Trust me, it's true.
		It doesn't mean they're not going to land, but the headline is, I read again, dust storm menaces Mars probe landing site.
		Believe it or not.
		It's nine.
		Well, when you think about it, that's too good a deal to turn down.
		In other words, they guarantee the lowest price in America on Web TV, period.
		The lowest price, period.
		They will actually beat the lowest price you can find by 5%.
		Why would you buy anywhere else?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Mary in Rochester, New York.
		They just announced over the radio that starting next week, you're going to be on for the full five hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And what they're going to do is move us from WHAM to, and I'm sorry I don't have the call letters.
		Say it again.
unidentified		WHET?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That might be right.
unidentified		Yeah, it's the other station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the other station, a big one.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're going to carry the full five-hour program, yes.
unidentified		Oh, hallelujah.
		Oh, I'll be so glad to hear you.
		Most interesting, but I did have to call you and say wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you're happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just heard about that myself today or yesterday.
unidentified		And you know, after the broadcast about Roswell?
		Yes.
		Before that, I was a skeptic.
		Now I know that there's something out there that, you know, they aren't telling us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of feel the same way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was so ridiculous that it was almost designed to make people believe.
unidentified		Well, you know, beforehand, I was an iffy.
		Now I know it was true.
		And then after your announcement there, that even more makes me feel that this is all very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if they have, thank you.
		If they have materials, there is no question about this.
		If they have materials that indicate they have manufactured a manufactured item in debris, which shows isotopic tests that absolutely prove this is not terrestrial material, that it is not of Earth, then they've got the smoking gun.
		And time compression or not, my friend, they've got the smoking gun, and it's going to be announced at 9 a.m.
		July 4th in Roswell.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Art Bell?
		Yes.
		Oh, this is Bob from Tacoma, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Bob.
unidentified		How are you?
		Okay.
		Enjoy your show.
		Thank you.
		The guy that was on tonight was really kind of interesting inso much as, you know, he just didn't display any ego whatsoever.
		I thought that was kind of unique.
		But the reason I'm calling, we're about the same age.
		And do you remember a show called You Asked For It?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Do you remember seeing it in the early 50s?
		Yes.
		On that show, they had like seven flying saucers going over Mount Rainier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly remember You Asked For It.
unidentified		Anyway, what they had is they had the gun film out of F-85s, you know, tailing these flying saucers across Mount Rainier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And if I remember right, I think I saw it on that show at least four times when people would write in to see it over and over and over.
		It's kind of interesting.
		Nobody's ever brought this up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I vaguely recall something about Objects Over Rainier.
		And I certainly recall the TV show.
		I just don't put them both together.
unidentified		Well, I think if somebody would try to get back in the archives of that show, you know, you'd have something there that you're looking for.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		Sure, I remember you asked for.
unidentified		Dates me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am 52 years old, and I recall that show well.
		I watched it faithfully every week as we all did with a lot of other shows.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		KQMS, right in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Born in.
unidentified		I'm sorry, I called you pointy-headed yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been called much worse.
unidentified		Well, actually, I insinuated it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I have a very thick skin.
unidentified		Well, it's not polite for me to take advantage of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
unidentified		I have two comments.
		My first comment is, like, when they invented the microscope, didn't that really change how we looked at everything?
		Something in the past, I know, something.
		The telescope, the microscope, some kind of scientific analysis tool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to what?
unidentified		Well, actually, with regard to our view of life, the universe, and everything.
unidentified		You know, because, like, if there's dust storms and wind on Mars, isn't there atmosphere?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, you know, how come, you know, they still teach you in school, I'm not that long out of school, you know, that Mars is just a lump out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lump.
		That's not quite fair.
		No, there is an atmosphere on Mars.
		Not much of one.
unidentified		But it looks Like a bunch of rocks.
		It's all it looks like.
		Well, I'm entitled to my opinion.
		Well, I think that people need to realize that we're having a part of the quickening is our totally changing technology.
		We're having such vast amounts of information that our view of life, the universe, and everything is changing quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My second point, have you ever seen, like, I think the word is electron microscope or it's whatever microscope that shows those little bugs that live in your eyelashes?
unidentified		Have you ever seen them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bugs that live in your eyelashes.
		I know what an electron microscope is.
		We've got several photographs of implants and that sort of thing up on the website taken by an electron.
unidentified		The little bugs that live in your eyelashes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and I don't want to either.
unidentified		Well, they do.
		They live in everybody's.
		Now, think about this.
		We are their planet.
		That's right.
		So what if we wanted to talk to them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, they would take us away and put us in a special room.
unidentified		No.
		I mean, seriously, what if we wanted to talk to them?
		Our size is one thing that stands in the way of speaking to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they probably hear us.
		I mean, considering...
		Well, because our voice is close, and so if they can hear anything, we would appear to be a giant thunderclap to them every time we open our mouths.
unidentified		Okay, but they would interpret it differently then, right?
		What if we wanted to speak to them?
		First of all, they're different life forms, so we'd have to understand their language and culture, so we'd have to look at that, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eyelash bugs, yeah.
unidentified		Okay, but how would we communicate with them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I with Mike Tyson, I don't know.
unidentified		Listen, what if extraterrestrials are that big?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's as possible as anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I understand what you're talking about, worlds within worlds.
unidentified		Well, I know, but think about it.
		What, see, because, like, I've like spoken to the earth, and the first time she tried to talk to me, she was so big that I think I, like, fainted.
		I've never seen any, felt anything so big in my whole entire life.
		It really scared me.
		And I didn't want her to talk to me anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, to her, you are but an eyelash bug.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I get the picture.
		Thank you very much, eyelash bugs.
		I really don't want to see an eyelash bug.
		I'm sure they exist.
		Just as in high school, you recall in biology, you looked at pond scum or even water that comes from the tap.
		And the things that crawl in there, available to be seen under a common microscope, you don't want to see.
		Because after you do, you don't want to drink water.
		So it's better not to see them.
		They are there, though.
		Should we try to talk to them?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Kent from Ankene, Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was just wondering, any more information on Mel's Hole?
unidentified		Have you ever heard anything more about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not particularly.
		People ask me that all the time.
		Strange Universe re-ran the show on it here the other day.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And no, as far as I know, Mel is sipping martinis somewhere in Australia.
unidentified		Oh, probably having fun.
		Probably.
		Well, I mean, I have no idea if it's true or not, but certainly it's possible.
		And the reason I say that is there's a town in Pennsylvania called Centrella.
		And back in 87, my grandfather died, and so our family, we went to Centrella, which was his boyhood hometown.
		And they had a sinkhole where they had dropped, I don't remember the exact number.
		I think it was two boxcars into the sinkhole.
		Really?
		They never heard of hit bottom.
		So, I mean, it's certainly possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		But, I mean, that's fine.
		I was also wondering about JC.
		Have you ever talked to him since?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, JC has not called since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He called me when I had a guest on and was giving me a devil of a time as usual.
unidentified		And I missed it, Bummer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I think it's up on the website as a real audio file if you have a computer.
unidentified		Oh, yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very entertaining.
unidentified		Oh, I'll have to check that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC, where are you?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		I'm sure we will hear in time from JC.
		It's a matter of getting through.
		There's a lot of people out there.
		Mel's hole.
unidentified		Mel's hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every now and then, I think of Mel.
		I think about Mel, don't you?
		Here's something that chronicles Mel's saga.
unidentified		Big hope for sale or rent with 80,000 feet of monofuzzle men.
		Art Bell thinks Mel is bent.
		Now here comes the governance.
		He's got the movie right.
		Maybe write a book because you think he might be the man with the means to make Greece.
		He's king of the whole.
		Well, you know, that guy is doing well.
		Someone paid a pile of cash to purchase well.
		If you haven't seen the mystery hole, it's because Central tried to plug it with the power pole.
		Now it is understood.
		Mel sold the hole and he's got some good.
		He's lying in the sun.
		Making all that money can sure be fun.
		So go out to your own backyard.
		Grab a shovel, dig real hard.
		Now you've got the means to make green.
		You're the king of the hole.
		Did you find the hole for it?
		I would have.
		I wonder who ran here.
		It was 80,000 feet a month.
		Two looking meant.
		I felt things melt.
		Oh, he called it the government.
		Hey, let's find out who now really is.
		It's old man Withers, the creepy amusement park attendant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah, this is Rod from Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rod.
unidentified		Yeah, and I was just wondering: where do you get a time compressor anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Air Force.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have to get it from the Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a regular issue item.
unidentified		Okay, we'll have to call tomorrow.
unidentified		What I was calling for is when Just do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very important, yes.
unidentified		When Hailbop was kind of leaving our skies and it was in the northwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Me, my mom, and my best friend went out to see it because we have trees and everything around us, and that was our clearest spot for them.
		Sure.
		And we were just, you know, goofing around looking with our binoculars and everything.
		And I want to know if anybody else seen the little lights that was in the east and in the west sky.
		They were multicolored.
		They were not stars.
		Because they would fall and move back up and like move to the right and then right back to their original point.
		And they stayed there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that's an optical conclusion that occurs.
		Okay.
		You were seeing a star, and it happens frequently with Venus.
		It is misreported as moving.
		If you sit and stare at Venus, a very bright star, particularly when it's low to the horizon and there is a lot of atmosphere between you and outer space, Venus, as you stare at it, will actually begin to move up, down, sideways.
		Really, it's a bizarre optical conclusion.
		But I do believe firmly what you were seeing were stars.
		I have no way of knowing that for sure.
		I'm just telling you that that phenomenon does exist.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello?
		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn off your radio.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is Dorothy from Wilsonville.
		And I want to know if you know about six and a half hour coverage on PBS Friday, starting at noon, about the Pathfinder landing on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's all kinds of coverage planned, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		you see but I thought well you probably heard maybe you heard about it and I wanted to remind you of it in case you that Oh, I will be glued to any coverage of the Pathfinder landing.
		Yeah, that's what they say.
		Do we really believe they'll land on Mars?
		I kind of am skeptical about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we did it before.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, we're going to do it again, maybe.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		Now, there's a lot that can go wrong.
		And now we have word.
		Again, I'll read the headline without going through the whole story.
		Dust storm menaces Mars probe landing site.
		This is an unusual, never-before-seen, at this time of year, massive dust storm that could turn into a global event on Mars.
		Now, Pathfinder is not going to see much if it is enveloped in a dust storm, is it?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
unidentified		My name's Dave.
unidentified		David on, well, excuse me, David from Monroe, Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have some questions, and I've been bothered by that Roswell news report that the Air Force had put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What I'm wondering about is they said that they dropped dummies in several instances or whatever.
		Correct.
		What kills me is, what are the odds of those dummies landing in the same place that supposedly was the crash shot, you know, crash site?
		You know, if they dropped, they showed a picture of, looked like a little flying saucer with the rockets spinning it around.
		Yep.
		But there weren't any dummies on that, supposedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said when you put it on, Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I haven't heard any reports of aliens landing in parachutes.
unidentified		Exactly true.
		Exactly right.
		And one other question.
		Have you heard anything about the I'm seven miles, well, seven hours south of Jasper, Arkansas, where supposedly the school children were like sprayed or something like that.
		Correct.
		Have you heard anything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was going to ask you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're there.
unidentified		Haven't heard a thing.
		Nothing in the papers.
		And I have a cousin who lives in Russellville, which is an hour and a half south.
		And there was never anything in the newspapers up there about it.
		Never, nothing.
		And they couldn't get any information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		It's interesting that you would bring it up again.
		I have nothing to tell you.
		And as I said, I was hoping you would tell me.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, if I had any information, I would, believe me, I would, you know, let you know.
		All right.
		And this is also the home of Jim Hossel.
		He's the shuttle commander of this mission that just went up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll all be watching.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, look, I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		As you know, Mir has more trouble.
		The oxygen generator, the brand new one, is at least temporarily out of commission.
		So they are having to light oxygen-burning wicks or candles.
		Very interesting that these wicks or candles, whatever they are, produce oxygen because conventional wisdom always suggested when you light a candle, it takes oxygen to burn.
		Now, obviously, these are specifically designed to emit oxygen.
		Somebody out there will know how it works.
		I don't.
		From the high desert, coming up on the top of the hour, this is CBC.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, events generally lately have been taking my breath away.
		And I have this funny feeling that we're really in for an interesting month or two ahead.
		really interesting months or two ahead.
		One day in the old motion has it turned to me again Sometimes that's the way events come on, almost like they're in slow motion.
		Time of the morning, everybody.
		27.
		That's 1-800-557-4627.
		You've got nothing to lose but the facts.
		Well, this is an interesting facts that I've got here.
		Hi, Art.
		Just wanted to tell you what a great show you have tonight with regard to the STS-80 video and the anomalous object caught on the Storm Chasers video.
		Wanted to let you know I'm an ex-NASA contractor, and STS-80 was the last mission I worked.
		I worked in Johnson TV control room as a television engineering technician at Johnson Space Center here in Houston.
		I worked a lot of missions and have watched hundreds of hours of live downlink video from the orbiter.
		I did digital color correction on the video as it came down before it was disseminated to NASA TV and over to Mission Control.
		We made duplication of all the downlinked video and audio onto broadcast quality masters for various NASA customers and archival purposes.
		I got laid off due to a reduction of force in January, and I will check and see if I have any additional footage on that mission.
		If you have any questions about NASA and its handling of video, feel free to contact me.
		I was with the Television System Service Contract at Johnson Space Center since 1990, and I worked a lot of missions.
		Would you please withhold my name if you mention my facts?
		Yes, I will.
		He supplies me with telephone numbers and all the pertinent data to get hold of him.
		So you bet I will, my friend.
		Thank you, and we will follow up.
		On my international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Eric.
		My name is Scott, and I'm calling from Cookland, British Columbia.
		I'm just trying to get away from my wife's bedroom so I don't wake her up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		I'm calling about.
		I was listening to the NASA select broadcast of the news conference that talked about the Pathfinder.
		And I think you're reading much more into this dust storm than you should.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, all I'm doing is reading the released news story by Reuters.
unidentified		Well, it neglected to mention quite a bit of information.
		They went on to state that the dust condition would be no worse than that which you would see on a small G Day in Los Angeles.
		You'll have obscured long-range vision, but the close-up vision through the camera would be fine, just like you were driving down the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me mention something to you, okay?
		Pardon me?
		Let me mention something to you, okay?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just got a call from Richard Hoagland, who is now at a location here in the West.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said that typically dust storms, big ones on Mars, reach speeds of about 300 miles per hour.
unidentified		Well, they also said that they've had this experience with this sort of phenomenon in the past with Viking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but if you've looked at how this object, sir, how Pathfinder is going to land, it's a big bouncing ball, roughly.
		It's got a lot of padding on it.
		It's designed to come down and then sort of hit hard and bounce.
		You know that, right?
unidentified		And it's made with a material stronger than Teflon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but if it were to encounter winds anywhere near 300 miles an hour, imagine what would occur.
unidentified		Well, they took this into consideration.
		I guess time will tell on Friday, but I don't believe there's going to be any problems that they did.
		They spent most of the research money that they had on testing the system, and they tested it through a lot of different scenarios.
		And I don't believe that they're going to be tie-boshed by a strong wind.
		They tested it for stronger winds than that they're going to bend 300.
		So I don't see any problem.
		But time will tell on Friday, won't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, it will.
		And again, I'm not reading anything into anything.
		I just read the story as it came across.
unidentified		Well, that's fine.
unidentified		I'm just giving it...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you listen to the...
unidentified		Actually, can I talk about Mir?
		I've been listening here quite a bit.
		Sure.
		I'm a ham operator like yourself, and I've spoken with John Blaja and Jerry Lininger, and I was hoping to work my toll, but fortunately, situation, you can't do it.
		I think the situation up there is probably grimmer.
		like your previous talk about Mira, I didn't think the situation was as bad as people were talking about, but this time I think it's worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tried to tell them for a long time that it was very serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody was listening.
unidentified		Well, now I think it's much worse.
		And I'll tell you why.
		You heard that the power requirements on Mira were so low that they had to cut everything off, and they were working with flashlights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Virtually, yes, sir.
unidentified		Now, do you think that had this been the case, they would immediately shut off the amateur packet station?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure where in the list of priorities packet would be.
unidentified		Oh, it was shut off.
		It was the first thing shut off last time.
		And this time it wasn't.
		They were working with flashlights, yet the packet station was on.
		And I thought about this, and I was thinking, why wouldn't they shut it off?
		I think it's because they couldn't get to it, personally.
		And I wonder just how bad it is in there.
		And I heard, we've been listening to the Downlink talking on the 143.62.625, yeah.
		And we heard Mike Fole, actually, when he was told that they were going to do an internal spacewalk, he freaked in, and he sounded really shocked that they would even suggest such a thing.
		And I heard that.
		That was a path.
		I'm in southwestern British Columbia, and I heard that.
		I guess that was coming from the Los Angeles, I can't remember where it is, but Southern California Station.
		And I was quite shocked about that.
		You don't usually hear emotion from these astronauts because they know people are listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		Yes, I think the situation on Mir is very serious indeed.
		With regard to the dust storm on Mars, I don't know, folks.
		I'm just reporting it to you as I get it.
		I got it about two days ahead of the mainstream press, and people said I was crazy.
		Now it's in the mainstream press, and I'm hearing that there could be winds in the area of, if it builds, 300 miles an hour.
		I'm no expert, but I imagine this thing bouncing down onto the surface of Mars, and if there are winds in the area of 300 miles an hour, I would think it would just blow it along.
		Certainly, they're not going to open it up under those conditions, but it would blow along the surface or perhaps even become airborne, if you can say there is air there, and there is to some degree, and until it finally would come to rest in some sort of crevice or get caught somewhere.
		And as you know, and Richard explained, it is then to open like a pedal.
		Well, if it gets caught a crevice, obviously it's not going to be open, is it?
		So I don't know.
		We'll have to wait and see.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Yes.
		I was sitting here listening and wondering here back about late 80s on Discovery Channel they were discussing electromagnetic fields and supposedly how the Russians created pillars to change weather patterns.
		Okay.
		I was wondering how that or if it played into anything that dealt with what we have been talking about in the last couple weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like our changing weather?
		I have absolutely no idea.
		I've heard a lot about efforts to modify or change the weather, but I wouldn't know.
		I'm just observing.
		For example, Reuters News.
		Let me read you this.
		The French and Italian-speaking parts of Switzerland, including the lakeside city of Geneva, has had two and three times the normal level of rain in June.
		Rain was much heavier than normal throughout the Alpine country in June, during which the sun only appeared six days.
		Flooding has damaged grain crops, including wheat, colza vineyards, fruit orchards, especially in the agricultural states of Vaude and Valaise, according to Swiss newspapers.
		Average rainfall in June is 80 millimeters, but reached double that level around Lake Geneva and triple that level in other parts of that country.
		Hail the size of ping-bong balls on Sunday caused several million Swiss francs damage.
		So the weird weather continues around the world.
		Now, you can look at this any way you want, but I don't think you can deny that we are entering a very extremely strange pattern of weather.
		Here in the desert, it has been particularly unusual.
		But ours is not a different story.
		It's different and changed everywhere.
		I looked at the temperature yesterday around 2 or 3 in the afternoon.
		It was 81.9 degrees here.
		This is July, folks, and I live near Death Valley.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
unidentified		Good morning of Fairbanks, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Regarding Mel's hole, when you initially interviewed Mel, you said that he had given you his phone number.
unidentified		In fact, you had contact him at that number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
unidentified		Could you give that number to the local authorities in the Ellensburg area?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, I certainly could have.
		But I promised Mel that I would not do that.
		And, you know, a promise is a promise.
		Without his permission, you know, we encountered that.
		I had all the media calling me, right?
		And I could have given Mel's number out.
		But I made a promise not to do that without his permission.
		And so I did.
unidentified		Well, since he's no longer to Be seen or heard from.
		Wouldn't it be kind of after the fact, anyway?
		How could it hurt him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, it could hurt him because if they had the phone number, they could at least find out who had that phone number then and identify him.
		And he didn't want to be identified.
		So, I mean, it's like a promise is a promise.
		You know, a lot of times when you deal with people who've got strange or unusual stories, they don't want the exposure of the press rushing in.
		They don't want that.
		In fact, frankly, Mel came on my program with incredible hesitation, if you recall.
unidentified		Well, at least he made it sound that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so I made a promise, and I don't know what else to tell you.
unidentified		Well, I think it's somebody with the Ellensburg Chamber of Commerce.
unidentified		I think that's the best ruse that you could come up with to get the tourists up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they had a lot of tourism.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		Look, when you're in my position, if you promise somebody that you will keep them anonymous, you better do it.
		Otherwise, they don't come to you again.
		And your word has got to be your bond.
		So sure, I had Mill's number.
		But give it out?
unidentified		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not without his permission.
		And I did seek that.
		He said, no, look, I don't want to get involved.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Eric.
		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		You've calling from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I had a question about the pyramids.
		Actually, a couple of questions.
		Do you think that it could possibly be, well, maybe like an ancient bomb shelter or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would doubt that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wouldn't be my first guess.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		The other question maybe you could ask Richard Hogland this is what is directly like 1880 degrees on the other side of the Earth underneath the pyramids?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The pyramids.
		All right.
		Well, Richard could answer that, I suppose.
		In other words, on the exact opposite side of the Earth.
		You know, I always thought it'd be cool if you could actually drill a hole through the Earth.
unidentified		Wouldn't that be neat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have a trans-Earth subterranean vehicle of some sort that would take you to China or wherever.
		I wonder if anybody has ever contemplated such a thing.
		Just begin digging.
unidentified		Keep digging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am told the pressure would collapse the hole and it couldn't be done, and I suppose that's true.
		But it's an interesting concept, huh?
		The Earth in circumference is a very great distance.
		But if you could actually bore straight through it, well, you get the idea.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once, going twice, gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing, Art?
		Okay.
		This is the freak in the Midwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are an idiot, then.
unidentified		I know.
		That's why I call myself a freak.
		Anyway, listen, I have a book from back in 86 put out by Brad Steiger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Called The True Psychic Inquirer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Are you familiar with that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brad's a good friend.
		Oh, really?
		I don't know that particular book.
		He has written like about 140 books.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, this is probably actually like a thing they put out on a periodical basis, whether it was every three months or five monthsly or what.
		But anyway, there's a story in there called about America being founded on metaphysical soil.
		And there's a little excerpt in there that basically says that our founding fathers believed that the new order they were creating would one day be established over the whole earth.
		And they also believe the new age of Aquarius would begin around 5,500, 2000, and a Phoenix would rise from the ashes, and a new Egypt would be born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that fits right in, of course, with what Richard Hoagland has been saying.
		Thank you.
		A new Phoenix.
		Listen, I want to mention this.
		This is the last week that you're going to be able to get a signed copy, a first edition copy of my book, The Quickening.
		I'm going to let slip a little something.
		Soon, it is going to be available in bookstores nationwide in hardcover form.
		I'm probably not supposed to say that.
		But two things are happening.
		One, the second edition is just about sold out.
		And number two, as of this Sunday, Dreamland, this Sunday, you will no longer be able to get an autographed edition of my book.
		So there's good news and bad news.
		The good news, you'll be able to get it in bookstores nationwide.
		Of course, you won't get a signed copy.
		If you want a signed copy, call right now, 1-800-864-7991.
		That's 1-800-864-7991.
		Sunday is the end of it all for a while.
		Take a listen to this.
		No, wait a minute.
		That isn't what I wanted you to hear.
		What am I doing?
		Doggone it.
		That is not what I wanted you to hear at all.
		I'll dig that out and do it after the break.
		So let me just go ahead and keep enlarging on what I'm saying.
		I had a significant discussion with my publisher yesterday.
		The industry people are clamoring to get the book, and it is going to be available shortly, as I just said, nationwide, in just about any major bookstore.
		We are on the edge Of doing that.
		This is the final week.
		In other words, Sunday, I will stop signing copies of The Quickening and will not do it anymore until perhaps Christmas and maybe not even then.
		So this may be it entirely.
		If you want a signed first edition copy of The Quickening, call now 1-800-864-7991.
		That's 1-800-864-7991.
		For those of you who have wanted to get a copy of The Highwayman, I'll tell you what, get out your recorders and get them ready because I've got so many requests.
		I'm going to play it after the bottom of the hour.
		It's all about reincarnation.
		It's one of the prettiest songs that I think I've ever heard.
		Willie Nelson was one of them.
		It's called The Highwayman.
		It's about reincarnation.
		It's coming up after the break.
		This is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		Thank you.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a last night for everything.
		The last night for my autographed book, the quickening, is going to be this coming Sunday.
		And by the way, there then will be a delay before it hits the bookstores.
		I'm not saying you won't be able to get copies.
		You won't be able to get signed copies, and there may be a dry period altogether.
		And then it's going to be massively distributed nationwide in August, probably late August or early September.
		So what I'm doing now, I'm doing for my listeners, all of you, those of you who want copies, 1-800-864-7991.
		1-800-864-7991.
		And by the way, the price is a bit better getting it direct than it's going to be in the stores.
		The GE Super 3, by the way, get your recorders ready.
		I promise the highwayman they're coming up.
		K-R-Z.
		That's 888-G-O-L-D-K-R-Z.
		All right, Art, your quickening seems to be interplanetary.
		That is, we here on Earth are experiencing unusual and unseasonable weather.
		It seems that Mars is also experiencing unusual weather.
		The dust storms had possibly jeopardized the Mars Pathfinder mission.
unidentified		Good call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are the odds of the dust storm blowing the airbag-laden rover over to the Sidonia site?
		Rob in Pasadena.
		Interesting you should mention that, Rob.
		I have no idea.
		The odds of that would be fairly astronomical.
		All right, what I am about to play for you is a very unusual record as far as I am concerned.
		It is Whelan Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, and Chris Christoffenson, and a very unlikely combination to sing about what I believe this song to be firmly about, and that is reincarnation.
		It's one of the prettiest songs I've ever heard, and here it is.
		It's called The Highwaymen.
unidentified		The Highwaymen.
		I was a highwayman.
		Along the coast roads I did ride.
		With sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her bottles to my trade.
		Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
		The masters hung me in the spring of 25.
		But I am still alive.
		I was a sailor.
		I was born upon the tide.
		With the three I did abide.
		I sailed a schooner around the Horn of Mexico.
		I went along the world remains a little blow.
		And when the yards broke off, they split it, I got killed.
		But I'm living still.
		I was a damn building across the river deep and wide.
		Where steel and water did the lies.
		A place called Boulder Rome, though mild all about.
		I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
		They buried me in that grave, but no slow sound.
		But I still rest.
		I'll always be right, right, right, right, right.
		I'll always be right, right, right.
		I'll fly a starship across the universe divide And when I reach The other side, I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can.
		Perhaps I may become a highway man again.
		Perhaps maybe I'm still dropping rain.
		But I will remain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be back again, man again, man again, man again, you may have noticed I paused both at the beginning and the end to give those of you who wanted to record the opportunity.
		So many people have been driving me crazy to play that song that I thought I would give you all a chance to record it and listen until your ears bleed, because that's what I do with music that I love.
		I tend to listen to it again and again and again, sounding like the record.
		Until my ears bleed, metaphorically.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike from Santa Rosa, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
unidentified		Thanks for playing the Highway Man.
unidentified		I just love that song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible.
unidentified		But I was calling because, A, it looks like Richard may be proven right yet again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's tiresome, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm not saying that he will.
		It may come down in the fourth.
		It may be okay.
		Who knows?
		But, I mean, here comes something that was totally unexpected that could either ruin or interfere with or delay the Mars mission.
		Now, they do have enough fuel on board, according to Richard, much more than they need, so that if something does happen, maybe there is a way they can delay it or shift the landing spot or who knows.
unidentified		Yeah, but the main reason that I called was earlier you spoke of something where looking at Venus, because it's so bright, it sometimes will look like it's moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when it's low in the atmosphere, you're looking through a great deal of atmosphere, you know, when it's close to the horizon.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's something that occurs with your eyes when you stare straight at it, and it begins to look like it moves up and down and sideways and all over the place.
unidentified		Yeah, but one thing that if you're looking at something in the sky, if you look when it's darker, you know, if you're looking near sunset, yeah, I can see that.
		But if you're looking where you have a background of stars to compare it against, because recently I went to an observatory to look at Hale Bopp, one of the last looks at it that we had here.
		And looking out on the horizon, you know, we were standing talking, waiting in line to get into this observatory, looked at this 40-inch telescope at Hale Bopp, and we were looking up way off in the horizon, pretty low, but way far out.
		And we saw this background of three stars moving very, very, very slowly against the background.
		And you could see that it was moving against the background, but the three stars were in relation to one another moving together, but changing against everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have no answer for that.
		I wouldn't know.
		I just know that there is a trick that is played on your eye with respect to Venus in particular, as bright as it is, even with respect to the other stars.
		When you concentrate and look just at Venus, it appears to be moving, even though the adjacent stars are not.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I'm just saying leave it open because, you know, if you're talking about more than one thing, there's the background stars to compare it against.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As far as I'm concerned, everything is open.
		Thank you.
		I'm just saying that there is a trick your eyes play.
		On my international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Arr.
		How are you doing?
		This is Jim up in Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		Hey, I just wanted to talk a little bit about the reverse speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		What about it?
		Well, anyway, that program is really intriguing.
		Me and my girlfriend really like it.
		And we have a little four-track recorder here at the house.
		And the other night, what we did after hearing the program was we had a little kind of a relationship clearing, you know, with the four-track.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We taped it, okay?
		And then played it backwards.
		And we actually got some quite interesting things.
		Like my girlfriend asked me, for instance, what do you love about me?
		And I told her all the things I love about her.
		And then we played it backwards, and a lot of other things came out of things that I love about her that I didn't say forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't say anything like, except for your big teeth and your crooked nose?
unidentified		Nothing like that.
		It was like, it was totally congruent with what I was saying.
		But it was still true.
		It's like, you know, I just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but imagine if it hadn't been.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
		Yeah, I was like totally scared to do it.
		You know, when she's asking me these questions and she's like, well, now tell me what you changed about me.
		But it was really cool because, you know, after I told her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did you say in reverse in answer to that?
unidentified		In answer to that, I said, let me think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing, darling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely perfect, just the way you are.
unidentified		Well, in forward, I just said, well, you get mad at me too much sometimes.
		But in reverse, it said things like, I really love you.
		I value you.
		And I appreciate you.
		And I really love your symbolism.
		Just all kinds of really cool stuff.
		And I just want to say that, yeah, that reverse speech is awesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		It could also potentially be extremely dangerous, however.
		So I do not recommend that you try at home what he just described.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Well, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		It's a TVS owner talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's who?
unidentified		My name's Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Bill.
unidentified		Okay.
		I happen to own land real close to where Mills Hole supposedly is.
		Yes.
		And it is very unique, but that you saw the thing they did on Strange Universe, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was part of it.
unidentified		I know you were part of it, but you saw a white trailer there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's supposedly empty and nobody is in it, whatever?
unidentified		Abandoned?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes.
unidentified		Well, the reason why it's abandoned is because that guy started a fire there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, well, I live there.
unidentified		So, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, that guy is you?
unidentified		No, unfortunately.
		There's a big story behind that, but at any rate.
		Yeah, there is supposedly a hole there.
		And that antenna stack isn't too far from where it's at.
		So it's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to say.
		It is what it is.
		I made my promises, thank you to Mel.
		And look, when you're in my business, if you don't keep your promises regarding information you receive, then pretty soon nobody comes to you with any more information.
		So you've got to keep your promises.
		I try to do that.
		And I really have to do that.
		There's no other way.
		A lot of times it is inconvenient.
		But identifying Mel would have been a terrible breach of my professional ethics, such as they are or you imagine them to be.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, what's up, I think?
		I know what that bismuth stuff is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bismuth magnesium, actually.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Is it in a frame?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		Is it incorporated in a frame of some kind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Well, anyway, I think I know what it is.
		What?
		If it's really from the early 50s or 40s or late 40s or whatever.
		Yes.
		It's consistent with a combination instrument.
		It's part magnetometer, part sail switch.
		It would go in the bottom of a, well, one of the chambers of a collidometer.
		And it would be consistent with their description of it being an airborne sensor.
		A collidometer is just a bunch of chambers of various sizes.
		Particles go through them, make a 90-degree turn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem with this is that every rare metals manufacturer we've gone to, just about every good one in the U.S. Well, I believe it was made by, I don't think I'll say it over the air, but I think I know who made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Send me the information.
unidentified		Well, I don't have, there's no way I could.
unidentified		I don't do faxes and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't do faxes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you write letters?
unidentified		Yeah, I could.
		I guess it'll listen for your address later.
		But anyway, how many layers is 20 or something?
		It sounds like some.
		Okay, this list changes its resistivity with magnetic flux.
		So, are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm listening.
unidentified		So it's probably part of a sail switch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You already said that.
unidentified		That would orient itself.
		And then this list itself does not become radioactive.
		So if they were looking for trace radioisotope, stuff like that, they would end up in the collidometer, which is just a bunch of lightweight chambers.
		And then this thing would be part guidance, part sail switch, and part instrument incorporated in the collidometer.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate your call, sir, but that's just a big guess.
		And we have had scientists at Los Alamos, Sandia labs, every rare metals manufacturer that we've been able to tap on the shoulder, scientists of nearly every stripe, labs that have tried to duplicate it.
		And these are the most powerful people in their fields in the country.
		And they don't have the slightest idea what it is, nor have they been able to duplicate it.
		So it may be as you suggest, but we've got a number of reports, including one that we paid for that was done at Carnegie in Washington.
		And Art's parts remain anomalous, unexplained, inexplicable, and presently very arduous testing is going on with regard to apparent or thought to be anti-gravitic properties.
		And they are looking for a mass or weight reduction.
		And it's very delicate trying to get the proper voltage attached to this material.
		That's really all I can tell you right now.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, hello.
		I was wanting to comment about the best storm on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You're mentioning the speeds could be at 300 miles an hour.
unidentified		You need to take into it a few.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I said was Richard Hoagland just called me last hour and said speeds in those storms can reach 300 miles per hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
unidentified		One thing that he failed to mention is the Martian atmosphere density is 100% that of the Earth.
		Therefore, that wind speed would equal about 30 miles an hour, 30 mile an hour wind on the Earth.
		And the lander can easily sustain that.
		And the airbags are going to automatically deflate in 11 minutes.
		So it's not going to go rolling around the whole Martian landscape for an eternity.
		And another thing was about this dust storm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why then do you think they would write stories now breaking all over the mainstream press suggesting that the dust storm may menace the Mars probe landing site?
unidentified		Well, I'll bet Prince British Hogan a million dollars it will land on the 4th of July.
		There's no way it's not going to land on the 4th.
		It will either crash or will land on the 4th.
		There's no way it can be delayed into the 20th, and there's no way it will go to Sidonia.
		A couple reasons.
		The Pathfinder is a solar-powered spacecraft, Launch Rover.
		And you need to be at this latitude where the landing site is designated in Aries Valley to get proper solar illumination for your power source.
		If you go to Sidonia, you're getting way cut down on your solar requirements.
		And the spacecraft is, there's no way it's not going into orbit, so it's going dead into Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like a rifle shot.
unidentified		Exactly.
		So it's going dead into Mars.
		And on the 4th of July, this Friday, they're going to crash and form a new crater on Mars or it's going to land.
		And there's no way I'd be willing to take them Up on a wager.
		Anything else to bet?
		It's not going to land on the 20th of July.
		It's going to land on the 4th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may be right.
unidentified		If anybody has any doubts, check out the Pathfinder webpage.
		There's got a frequently asked questions section on there.
		It answers a lot of questions.
		And, you know, I think that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does it say on the frequently asked questions section about all the fuel they took?
unidentified		I don't know what the poundage, what the propellant is in the cruise stage, but the cruise stage is going to separate 9.32 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time Friday morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I meant the amount of fuel, sir.
unidentified		I don't know what the poundage is in propellant there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		600 pounds, and that's much more than they need to accomplish what they're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was just wondering what they said about that.
unidentified		Well, I know that NASA engineers are so conservative.
		They always overestimate.
		They've done four TCM burns, which are trajectory course maneuvers.
		Sure.
		And there may be a possibility of doing one more, a fifth burn about 12 hours for landing.
		And so I don't know what, I couldn't tell you what propellant sandwich is right now in it.
		But like I said, it's going to land on the fourth or it's going to crash.
		There's no doubt about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the call.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And that may be absolutely correct.
		And right now, it certainly appears as though that is going to be correct.
		But I think that this dust storm they're talking about is still a vast unknown.
		And according to all the press reports I'm reading, it is menacing the landing site.
		Now, what does that mean to you, that word menacing?
		Possibly interfering with, affecting, menacing.
		That's a fairly clear word.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art from Audi, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		It's amazing how many people you have to describe what it means to keep a promise to as far as North Halls go.
		You know, it's absolutely amazing.
		As far as Highway Man goes, my daughter loves to go to your webpage and sit there and sing the lyrics to Highway Man for hours.
		I know.
		She just goes out there and she sings that song.
		It's fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is beautiful, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, thanks for a fantastic show once again, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you bet.
		And we've got a lot of good ones coming up this week.
		It's going to be a very interesting week.
		Listen.
unidentified		Oh, it's continuing to be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, you get the honors all the way from Albany, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what to do.
unidentified		At the next Phoenix Resident, I don't know if you're in a small body, New York, in the high desert.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, folks.
		That's all the time we've got.
		It has been, indeed, a very, very interesting night in an interesting week in what is going to be a fascinating month.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		Good night.

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