Art Bell fields calls on STS-80’s 1996 "anomalous" footage—John, the original source, claims NASA skipped missions or mislabeled tapes, while a former contractor confirms his role in processing the disputed video. Callers debate Mars dust storms, with NASA dismissing Bell’s claims of global disruption, and question Roswell’s 1997 isotopic tests and Jasper, Arkansas’ 1986 chemical incident. Speculative theories like "bismuth magnesium" anti-gravitic properties and Hale-Bopp comet illusions surface, though Bell insists on verification. The episode blends NASA controversies, UFO lore, and fringe science, leaving listeners to weigh evidence against mainstream explanations. [Automatically generated summary]
Any object traveling in the Earth's atmosphere at an estimated velocity of 17,000 miles an hour, or less, is going to be tracked by one of the major agencies.
The reason why these agencies, JPL, NASA, and so forth, want the footage is evident.
The object was tracked, verified, is real, and may be of interest to the current back engineering efforts.
The video offers an unusual insight with regard to the thermal dynamics of these objects.
Bill, in Fairfield, California.
We're going to open line shortly, and we've got a lot to talk about.
I want to remind my audience, we've got a change in scheduling for this Sunday's Dreamland with Linda Moulton-Howe.
We will have Colonel Philip Corzo, who wrote the day after Roswell, which is the $64 million interview.
And we've lined it up.
It'll be this Sunday on Dreamland.
And this Friday night, Saturday morning, Beyond Roswell by Michael Hessman.
Michael Hessman will be my guest.
He'll be here along with so many others who have written significant works on Roswell.
You know, that event that didn't occur until at least 1953 with time compression.
And I've got an additional bulletin that I'm going to reread on Roswell and something on Mars for 1050.
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Remember the other day I reported a dust storm forming on Mars that would affect the landing site or may affect the landing site for the Mars Pathfinder mission.
Well, I got a million facts saying, baloney, it's not in the news.
We can't find it.
Baloney, there is no storm.
Oh, yes, there is.
From Bob in Honolulu, did you hear the news on Mars?
Now they're coming out with a story on the news that a dust storm has formed and is moving directly toward the Pathfinder landing zone.
They say the storm could cause or possibly build to a point where it would cover the entire planet.
Doesn't this sound like a buildup toward a laid landing, as Richard Hoagland had predicted?
In fact, here is a Reuters story that just cleared.
Let me read a portion of it to you.
An unexpected, large dust storm on Mars is moving toward the July 4th landing site of NASA's unmanned Pathfinder spacecraft.
The dust storm is filling the Valles Marineris Canyon system, a series of three to five mile deep canyons stretching for 1,800 miles and coming to within 600 miles of the Pathfinder landing site.
Unless the dust storm evolves into a massive global event, its effects on Pathfinder should be minimal, according to Steve Lee of the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics of the University of Colorado at Boulder.
Quote, this is something we did not expect to see.
It's very early in the Martian year for major dust storms to occur, he said.
It could go away tomorrow, stay for weeks, or turn into a global dust storm.
We have not seen a storm like this before, so we just don't know.
And that's from Reuters, ladies and gentlemen.
So nobody right now is saying this will delay or stop or divert the Pathfinder mission.
But just so you know, that I was not tinkering about in areas of speculation the other day.
The dust storm on Mars is real and apparently is threatening.
You know, take that and do what you will with it.
In addition, I want to reread this because this apparently is going to be the big news to come from Roswell.
I was really expecting something exactly like this.
Dateline Roswell, a press conference scheduled for 9 a.m., July 4th, 1997 at the Rierson Auditorium on the New Mexico Military Institute campus in Roswell, New Mexico is to present the results of scientific tests performed on crash debris found near Roswell,
New Mexico 50 years ago that this says once and for all will prove the downed vehicle was not of Earth origin.
A research scientist from a major university involved in the testing is going to be on hand to discuss the methodology and the results of the isotopic ratio tests of the Roswell debris.
Isotopic radio tests of Roswell.
Now, supporting conclusions and a battery of tests conducted by universities and national labs will be provided that conclude, listen now, the Roswell debris is manufactured material of extra-terrestrial Origin.
Paul Davids, executive producer of the Showtime film Roswell, is sponsoring the presentation of this evidence during his program at the 50th anniversary, along with images of the actual Roswell crash debris.
The chain of evidence will also be presented validating the Roswell incident as the recovery of a crashed extraterrestrial vehicle.
That's a news release I got about an hour and a half ago.
Paul, if you're out there, send me a fax.
Paul Davids, send me a fax and we'll get you on the air very quickly and let you elaborate on this if you would like to, Paul.
If, in fact, they have done isotopic tests, isotopic tests, I guess it would be, ratio tests, and this material is not of Earth origin, then they've really got a gotcha here.
Yes, and they believe there are electromagnetic pulsing devices there.
Now, indeed, would you confirm for the audience what I have told them?
At one point in the STS video 80, it's obvious the ground controllers zoom in on what appears to be an Australian city, and they just hold there, waiting and waiting and waiting.
They had not zoomed in on anything like that previously, but they zoomed in on an Australian city, and then suddenly describe for them what happens.
unidentified
Yeah, well, I think what happened is Hoagland's got an original footage that includes footage that I didn't get.
Oh, you don't have it?
Well, I don't have all of the footage, no.
I got the STS-80 on December 1st at 5 minutes to 12 Pacific Standard Time to about 25 after 12, which would have been December 2nd Pacific Standard Time.
Oh, okay.
What I sent Bill on the clip was a control track that had the low image night camera from a previous mission day as a control tape to show what's typical.
And then I put the STS-80 December 1st footage following that after control track break to show the non-typical anomalous content.
But that didn't mean that I had all the footage for the whole mission, which I didn't.
Okay, well, a remarkable event is captured on tape.
I've got it.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm sitting here watching NASA Select right now on the current mission, and it's something that's very perplexing to me, which I wanted to bring up on the program.
Well, maybe they launched a few things we didn't notice.
Who knows?
unidentified
I can't account for it.
And I thought, well, maybe somebody's got a knowledge, and maybe Richard might have a knowledge.
The curious thing to me that Richard's research on the actual position, because when they're going on this, on the earth views in the daylight, or on the low-light imaging camera, they're not telling you where they're at.
There's no narrative usually.
Right.
So you're kind of in the dark as an individual watching this over exactly where you're at.
And it's a little confusing to me because Richard's been on your program and he says he got the original footage from NASA and he's determined that they were passing over the coast of Chile, over Santiago, Chile, on earlier programs.
So apparently he's talking about other footage.
And my understanding and listening to him, he was talking about the STS-80 on the footage that I originally sent Bill Hamilton.
Well, I'm beginning to see a pattern here, a big pattern, with what's seen on the 48 video, the 80 video, the kind of thing that Lan Lamphier talked about.
Are you beginning to see a pattern yourself?
unidentified
Well, this is one of the reasons I called when I was listening to Lan Lampheari earlier talking about the velocity of the object that he recorded.
He said, well, I don't know of any object that could travel at that velocity without effects at ground level.
Sure.
He says, I do know of one aircraft that we have that can travel at that speed, but higher up in the atmosphere.
Yes.
However, he didn't elaborate on what he was talking about.
So they may just have a digit incorrect, and of course, they just blather on and repeat whatever they see that is incorrect.
unidentified
Well, you know, I talked with a friend of mine about this before calling you earlier this evening, and, you know, we went over the thing like the worksheets that they are distributing as you watch them.
They all have the mission nomenclature identifier and everything on it, and how they could get it Up there and say 94s, and then orally announce it as STS-94, along with that other thing on the display board, is kind of a mystery to me.
If they have materials, there is no question about this.
If they have materials that indicate they have manufactured a manufactured item in debris, which shows isotopic tests that absolutely prove this is not terrestrial material, that it is not of Earth, then they've got the smoking gun.
And time compression or not, my friend, they've got the smoking gun, and it's going to be announced at 9 a.m.
My second point, have you ever seen, like, I think the word is electron microscope or it's whatever microscope that shows those little bugs that live in your eyelashes?
You were seeing a star, and it happens frequently with Venus.
It is misreported as moving.
If you sit and stare at Venus, a very bright star, particularly when it's low to the horizon and there is a lot of atmosphere between you and outer space, Venus, as you stare at it, will actually begin to move up, down, sideways.
Really, it's a bizarre optical conclusion.
But I do believe firmly what you were seeing were stars.
I have no way of knowing that for sure.
I'm just telling you that that phenomenon does exist.
you see but I thought well you probably heard maybe you heard about it and I wanted to remind you of it in case you that Oh, I will be glued to any coverage of the Pathfinder landing.
But I haven't heard any reports of aliens landing in parachutes.
unidentified
Exactly true.
Exactly right.
And one other question.
Have you heard anything about the I'm seven miles, well, seven hours south of Jasper, Arkansas, where supposedly the school children were like sprayed or something like that.
The oxygen generator, the brand new one, is at least temporarily out of commission.
So they are having to light oxygen-burning wicks or candles.
Very interesting that these wicks or candles, whatever they are, produce oxygen because conventional wisdom always suggested when you light a candle, it takes oxygen to burn.
Now, obviously, these are specifically designed to emit oxygen.
Somebody out there will know how it works.
I don't.
From the high desert, coming up on the top of the hour, this is CBC.
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According to a recent study, All the time,
I'm finally loving you today Running every time you do the season stays inside Watching in for more as you turn around and play
Stay my breath away Stay my breath away Call our bell, toll-free.
I'm a ham operator like yourself, and I've spoken with John Blaja and Jerry Lininger, and I was hoping to work my toll, but fortunately, situation, you can't do it.
I think the situation up there is probably grimmer.
like your previous talk about Mira, I didn't think the situation was as bad as people were talking about, but this time I think it's worse.
I'm not sure where in the list of priorities packet would be.
unidentified
Oh, it was shut off.
It was the first thing shut off last time.
And this time it wasn't.
They were working with flashlights, yet the packet station was on.
And I thought about this, and I was thinking, why wouldn't they shut it off?
I think it's because they couldn't get to it, personally.
And I wonder just how bad it is in there.
And I heard, we've been listening to the Downlink talking on the 143.62.625, yeah.
And we heard Mike Fole, actually, when he was told that they were going to do an internal spacewalk, he freaked in, and he sounded really shocked that they would even suggest such a thing.
And I heard that.
That was a path.
I'm in southwestern British Columbia, and I heard that.
I guess that was coming from the Los Angeles, I can't remember where it is, but Southern California Station.
And I was quite shocked about that.
You don't usually hear emotion from these astronauts because they know people are listening.
Yes, I think the situation on Mir is very serious indeed.
With regard to the dust storm on Mars, I don't know, folks.
I'm just reporting it to you as I get it.
I got it about two days ahead of the mainstream press, and people said I was crazy.
Now it's in the mainstream press, and I'm hearing that there could be winds in the area of, if it builds, 300 miles an hour.
I'm no expert, but I imagine this thing bouncing down onto the surface of Mars, and if there are winds in the area of 300 miles an hour, I would think it would just blow it along.
Certainly, they're not going to open it up under those conditions, but it would blow along the surface or perhaps even become airborne, if you can say there is air there, and there is to some degree, and until it finally would come to rest in some sort of crevice or get caught somewhere.
And as you know, and Richard explained, it is then to open like a pedal.
Well, if it gets caught a crevice, obviously it's not going to be open, is it?
I was sitting here listening and wondering here back about late 80s on Discovery Channel they were discussing electromagnetic fields and supposedly how the Russians created pillars to change weather patterns.
Okay.
I was wondering how that or if it played into anything that dealt with what we have been talking about in the last couple weeks.
I've heard a lot about efforts to modify or change the weather, but I wouldn't know.
I'm just observing.
For example, Reuters News.
Let me read you this.
The French and Italian-speaking parts of Switzerland, including the lakeside city of Geneva, has had two and three times the normal level of rain in June.
Rain was much heavier than normal throughout the Alpine country in June, during which the sun only appeared six days.
Flooding has damaged grain crops, including wheat, colza vineyards, fruit orchards, especially in the agricultural states of Vaude and Valaise, according to Swiss newspapers.
Average rainfall in June is 80 millimeters, but reached double that level around Lake Geneva and triple that level in other parts of that country.
Hail the size of ping-bong balls on Sunday caused several million Swiss francs damage.
So the weird weather continues around the world.
Now, you can look at this any way you want, but I don't think you can deny that we are entering a very extremely strange pattern of weather.
Here in the desert, it has been particularly unusual.
But ours is not a different story.
It's different and changed everywhere.
I looked at the temperature yesterday around 2 or 3 in the afternoon.
It was 81.9 degrees here.
This is July, folks, and I live near Death Valley.
The other question maybe you could ask Richard Hogland this is what is directly like 1880 degrees on the other side of the Earth underneath the pyramids?
Well, this is probably actually like a thing they put out on a periodical basis, whether it was every three months or five monthsly or what.
But anyway, there's a story in there called about America being founded on metaphysical soil.
And there's a little excerpt in there that basically says that our founding fathers believed that the new order they were creating would one day be established over the whole earth.
And they also believe the new age of Aquarius would begin around 5,500, 2000, and a Phoenix would rise from the ashes, and a new Egypt would be born.
Okay, well, that fits right in, of course, with what Richard Hoagland has been saying.
Thank you.
A new Phoenix.
Listen, I want to mention this.
This is the last week that you're going to be able to get a signed copy, a first edition copy of my book, The Quickening.
I'm going to let slip a little something.
Soon, it is going to be available in bookstores nationwide in hardcover form.
I'm probably not supposed to say that.
But two things are happening.
One, the second edition is just about sold out.
And number two, as of this Sunday, Dreamland, this Sunday, you will no longer be able to get an autographed edition of my book.
So there's good news and bad news.
The good news, you'll be able to get it in bookstores nationwide.
Of course, you won't get a signed copy.
If you want a signed copy, call right now, 1-800-864-7991.
That's 1-800-864-7991.
Sunday is the end of it all for a while.
Take a listen to this.
No, wait a minute.
That isn't what I wanted you to hear.
What am I doing?
Doggone it.
That is not what I wanted you to hear at all.
I'll dig that out and do it after the break.
So let me just go ahead and keep enlarging on what I'm saying.
I had a significant discussion with my publisher yesterday.
The industry people are clamoring to get the book, and it is going to be available shortly, as I just said, nationwide, in just about any major bookstore.
We are on the edge Of doing that.
This is the final week.
In other words, Sunday, I will stop signing copies of The Quickening and will not do it anymore until perhaps Christmas and maybe not even then.
So this may be it entirely.
If you want a signed first edition copy of The Quickening, call now 1-800-864-7991.
That's 1-800-864-7991.
For those of you who have wanted to get a copy of The Highwayman, I'll tell you what, get out your recorders and get them ready because I've got so many requests.
I'm going to play it after the bottom of the hour.
It's all about reincarnation.
It's one of the prettiest songs that I think I've ever heard.
Willie Nelson was one of them.
It's called The Highwayman.
It's about reincarnation.
It's coming up after the break.
This is CBC.
unidentified
CBC.
Thank you.
Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
That's 702-727-1295.
First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
What are the odds of the dust storm blowing the airbag-laden rover over to the Sidonia site?
Rob in Pasadena.
Interesting you should mention that, Rob.
I have no idea.
The odds of that would be fairly astronomical.
All right, what I am about to play for you is a very unusual record as far as I am concerned.
It is Whelan Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, and Chris Christoffenson, and a very unlikely combination to sing about what I believe this song to be firmly about, and that is reincarnation.
It's one of the prettiest songs I've ever heard, and here it is.
It's called The Highwaymen.
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The Highwaymen.
I was a highwayman.
Along the coast roads I did ride.
With sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young maid lost her bottles to my trade.
Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
The masters hung me in the spring of 25.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
With the three I did abide.
I sailed a schooner around the Horn of Mexico.
I went along the world remains a little blow.
And when the yards broke off, they split it, I got killed.
But I'm living still.
I was a damn building across the river deep and wide.
Where steel and water did the lies.
A place called Boulder Rome, though mild all about.
I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
They buried me in that grave, but no slow sound.
But I still rest.
I'll always be right, right, right, right, right.
I'll always be right, right, right.
I'll fly a starship across the universe divide And when I reach The other side, I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can.
I'll be back again, man again, man again, man again, you may have noticed I paused both at the beginning and the end to give those of you who wanted to record the opportunity.
So many people have been driving me crazy to play that song that I thought I would give you all a chance to record it and listen until your ears bleed, because that's what I do with music that I love.
I tend to listen to it again and again and again, sounding like the record.
But, I mean, here comes something that was totally unexpected that could either ruin or interfere with or delay the Mars mission.
Now, they do have enough fuel on board, according to Richard, much more than they need, so that if something does happen, maybe there is a way they can delay it or shift the landing spot or who knows.
unidentified
Yeah, but the main reason that I called was earlier you spoke of something where looking at Venus, because it's so bright, it sometimes will look like it's moving.
And there's something that occurs with your eyes when you stare straight at it, and it begins to look like it moves up and down and sideways and all over the place.
unidentified
Yeah, but one thing that if you're looking at something in the sky, if you look when it's darker, you know, if you're looking near sunset, yeah, I can see that.
But if you're looking where you have a background of stars to compare it against, because recently I went to an observatory to look at Hale Bopp, one of the last looks at it that we had here.
And looking out on the horizon, you know, we were standing talking, waiting in line to get into this observatory, looked at this 40-inch telescope at Hale Bopp, and we were looking up way off in the horizon, pretty low, but way far out.
And we saw this background of three stars moving very, very, very slowly against the background.
And you could see that it was moving against the background, but the three stars were in relation to one another moving together, but changing against everything else.
I just know that there is a trick that is played on your eye with respect to Venus in particular, as bright as it is, even with respect to the other stars.
When you concentrate and look just at Venus, it appears to be moving, even though the adjacent stars are not.
unidentified
Right.
I'm just saying leave it open because, you know, if you're talking about more than one thing, there's the background stars to compare it against.
And look, when you're in my business, if you don't keep your promises regarding information you receive, then pretty soon nobody comes to you with any more information.
So you've got to keep your promises.
I try to do that.
And I really have to do that.
There's no other way.
A lot of times it is inconvenient.
But identifying Mel would have been a terrible breach of my professional ethics, such as they are or you imagine them to be.
The problem with this is that every rare metals manufacturer we've gone to, just about every good one in the U.S. Well, I believe it was made by, I don't think I'll say it over the air, but I think I know who made it.
Well, I appreciate your call, sir, but that's just a big guess.
And we have had scientists at Los Alamos, Sandia labs, every rare metals manufacturer that we've been able to tap on the shoulder, scientists of nearly every stripe, labs that have tried to duplicate it.
And these are the most powerful people in their fields in the country.
And they don't have the slightest idea what it is, nor have they been able to duplicate it.
So it may be as you suggest, but we've got a number of reports, including one that we paid for that was done at Carnegie in Washington.
And Art's parts remain anomalous, unexplained, inexplicable, and presently very arduous testing is going on with regard to apparent or thought to be anti-gravitic properties.
And they are looking for a mass or weight reduction.
And it's very delicate trying to get the proper voltage attached to this material.
That's really all I can tell you right now.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Well, hello.
I was wanting to comment about the best storm on Mars.
Why then do you think they would write stories now breaking all over the mainstream press suggesting that the dust storm may menace the Mars probe landing site?
unidentified
Well, I'll bet Prince British Hogan a million dollars it will land on the 4th of July.
There's no way it's not going to land on the 4th.
It will either crash or will land on the 4th.
There's no way it can be delayed into the 20th, and there's no way it will go to Sidonia.
A couple reasons.
The Pathfinder is a solar-powered spacecraft, Launch Rover.
And you need to be at this latitude where the landing site is designated in Aries Valley to get proper solar illumination for your power source.
If you go to Sidonia, you're getting way cut down on your solar requirements.
And the spacecraft is, there's no way it's not going into orbit, so it's going dead into Mars.
What does it say on the frequently asked questions section about all the fuel they took?
unidentified
I don't know what the poundage, what the propellant is in the cruise stage, but the cruise stage is going to separate 9.32 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time Friday morning.