Art Bell dissects the June 24, 1997, USAF Roswell press conference, where Lt. Col. John Haynes absurdly claimed "full man’s eyes dummies" (parachuted crash-test balloons) explained the 1947 incident—despite footage dating from six to ten years later. Callers expose flaws: only 2,500 balloon tests were reported, yet no sightings of descending dummies; underground cities with advanced beings, tied to Admiral Byrd’s disputed diaries, circulate in Northern California. Skepticism peaks as Richard from Houston mocks the military’s "Red Skelton-esque" performance, while Bell warns about Hong Kong’s July 12th handover amid creeping totalitarianism. The episode reveals deliberate obfuscation, from missing 1947 records to Brookings Report fears, suggesting deeper cover-ups than simple incompetence. [Automatically generated summary]
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Well, I was going to have a very, very nice young lady on tonight called Teresa Martino.
His name is Teresa Martino.
And she...
But we're probably going to do that tomorrow night or the next night.
Because at noontime, the Air Force blew everything away.
I must admit, I was not expecting what we got today.
Now, I don't know how many of you had the luxury of seeing the entire news conference.
And then, you know, I taped it and watched it over again.
And it was wonderful.
It was some of the best comedy I have seen in years.
I laughed my way all the way through it.
Here with a backdrop of the Pentagon, you know, very serious backdrop.
The Pentagon, the seal in the background.
Out comes this Colonel, John Haynes, Lieutenant Colonel, I believe, John Haynes, Air Force.
You can only wonder how this poor slob got picked.
I don't know if he was PR or what his real official title is, but I can kind of figure out how the meeting went, where he got picked, and we'll talk about that.
The upshot of the entire thing is they have written a book.
The Air Force wrote a book.
Cost X number of dollars.
It's about Roswell.
And it is entitled, It has slammed right across it.
Case closed.
Case closed.
Anyway, the upshot of the entire news conference was that the Air Force had high-altitude balloon research using balloon trains, using high-altitude release of dummies.
Dummies.
And they are full man's eyes dummies, by the way.
The problem, of course, with all of this, and they had some pretty neat footage, you know, of these saucer-like things, and, of course, the famous balloons, like the one held up by Major Marcel in his humiliation.
The problem with the entire Air Force news conference was that they missed it by six years.
In other words, the footage they showed us of the testing they did occurred from six years to a decade after 1947.
Now, this is an impossible hole in their story.
Ah, but not to be deterred.
The colonel simply suggested, well, he said, it's time compression.
It went on, I would say, for an entire 30 minutes.
And then when the reporters got frustrated with asking questions about the Roswell thing, because it obviously had such a big hole in it you could drive a B-2 bomber through it, they began asking him about Thank God I taped that.
Thank you, Richard Hoagland, for alerting me to the fact that it was coming up.
I knew they were going to do it at some time during the day, but Richard called my wife before the news conference and said, begin taping.
They're about to do it, and she did, and so we got it on tape.
God, it was funny.
Anyway, they began asking about Area 51.
Colonel Haynes, at that point, was seen to be gulping hard, and he said, well, that's out of my area, and I'm not briefed on that kind of thing.
And yeah, there's classified stuff going on out there, and I can't talk about it.
And so then they pounded on him some more on Area 51, this whole room of reporters.
And he couldn't and wouldn't answer any questions about Area 51 other than to say, well, you must mean the Groom Lake area.
Well, it's classified, and I can't talk about it.
Reporters said, well, you know, that's going to make everybody think it's big cover-up then.
And he said, well, I can't talk about it.
But again, with respect to Roswell, they say case closed, that's it.
Why, you see, we dropped human-looking dummies from balloons.
And that accounts for the bodies.
And so now we finally have it all in hand.
Only problem is they missed the date by six years, six years.
And I can almost picture the meeting where this poor colonel, John Haynes, was picked to go out and talk to the press and present this book they had written called Roswell Case Closed.
And you can almost picture this big old general, you know, sitting back behind his desk with a big old fat cigar in his mouth saying, well, son, you've been picked for an honorable job.
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You're going to go out and talk to the press about Roswell.
You got a good career coming up here in the Air Force.
Go out there and give me hell, soon.
Yes, sir.
And away he goes.
Now I've got a number of faxes on this thing.
From Linda Moulton Howe.
I don't know if she intended for this to be read on the air.
Hi, Art.
What the Air Force has done, besides crying wolf too many times, is to confirm now that there were bodies at the crash site.
Were bodies.
The government's hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor has swallowed up a lot in the past half century.
But one thing about truth, it always seems to float to the top eventually.
What really gets me is that Philip Corso deserves serious media reporting about material in his book that can be researched and presented straight.
But Dateline tonight just did another.
If it's Roswell, it must be crazy, including Corso kind of superficial ridicule that mainstream media now trots out like a knee-jerk reaction to almost any UFO-related subject matter.
How wonderfully perfect it would be.
Now on the 50th anniversary, the alien intelligence itself decided to commemorate the cycle of time in its own fashion and pull the rug out from under all the arrogant ridiculers.
And then she says, found photos.
Sending them tomorrow for you to scan.
Now she is referring there to the Miss Idaho photographs.
And I'll believe them when they get here, Linda.
Or this.
And I'm just giving you representative samples of the faxes and email that I got today.
Today on Comedy Cover-Up, a scintillating interview with the Roswell dummies, fresh from their lucrative book tour, catch the crazy scoops as Sanford and Sons, starring Red Fox, admonishes our heroes, Get the hell in there, you dummies.
It's a big one, Elizabeth.
I'm coming to join you.
Tomorrow on Comedy Cover-Up, the JFK conspiracy debunked.
It really was an 11-year-old boy with a pea shooter.
Of course, it was a pea shooter back-engineered from an extraterrestrial pea shooting device found in the New Mexico desert in the 40s.
Or, oh, my.
I mean, the 50s.
No, wait a minute.
It was the 60s, after all.
Oh, whatever.
That's from Josh in San Francisco.
And it goes on.
Andy and Van Euys, dear art, I just finished watching the Air Force's press conference, and I'm amazed my TV set is still intact.
Never, never have I seen a more shameful charade of lies as this.
One thing is to expect the military's lie, but it is completely appalling to see how the press reacted.
It was more than clearly evident that the majority of the reporters covering the conference didn't take it seriously.
I laughed a lot.
Not only were they unprepared, they were taking this as a brief detour to their lunch or at the end of their shifts.
I've worked for the press in the past, and it makes me ashamed to see the level of professionalism seen in this press conference.
It is apparent that the mainstream press is extremely prejudiced to this entire issue, and any legitimate coverage will just be a pipe dream to those seeking real answers to a worldwide enigma, Andy and Van Euys.
And then this, Art, please tell me you heard the CNN broadcast of the Air Force Colonel introducing the definitive report on the Roswell incident, the balloons, the dummies, the Pentagon, my God, what theater, what obfuscation, what disingenuous drivel from the parrot, who obviously was told what to say and played his part brilliantly.
Well, I don't know about that.
I don't know about that.
Brilliantly.
I'm not so sure.
Jim Mars, who was then given a phone interview by CNN Anchor, or the anchor, immediately after the press conference, made the most sense of anyone, including the Pentagon Colonel, the idiot, ill-informed reporters at the press conference, the completely lost CNN anchor.
That's true.
I can hardly wait for tonight's broadcast.
Well, Mr. Mars, who was a guest here last week, indeed was then interviewed by CNN, and he did a very, very good job of concluding how underwhelmed he was.
And he said, the only dummies around are the ones who believe what we were just told.
He's exactly right.
God, it was awful.
I mean, it was high comedy, but it was, in terms of being anything serious, it was absolutely awful.
Or this from Arlie in Little Rock, Arkansas.
I was amused.
Everybody's using that word at the Air Force's press conference, which was more of a dog and pony show than any attempt to reveal any sort of truth.
Their report is titled The Roswell Report, Case Closed.
That's amusing, considering I thought they closed all the cases back in 1969 with Project Blue Book.
Well, I guess they will keep trying to close the case every time the truth threatens to leak out.
Seriously, I thought it was an insult.
An insult to the Roswell Army veterans to insinuate they couldn't remember the difference between events that occurred in 1947 at Roswell and those dummy drops in 1953.
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Remember, son, go out there and talk about time compression.
This morning after I got off the air, WTAM, my erstwhile affiliate in Cleveland, covering about, you know, like half the country or something, called me.
And their morning show was underway at that point.
And they said they did a little interview with me about the coming news conference on Roswell.
And the host, Jeff Kinvach, said, we're about to have a daily televote.
That's what they call it there, a televote, on the subject of alien life forms.
And we wanted to share with you our results.
And I said, well, you know, they were just beginning to take it at that point.
I said, I'll tell you what, I'll bet you anything it comes in in excess of 70% yes.
So they sent me the results.
And sure enough, here it is.
79%, not 70, but 79% say yes, they believe in the existence of alien life forms.
21% do not.
And they thank me for being a guest on the program.
So what are we to conclude here?
About 8 out of 10, WTAM survey, or the USA Today survey, CNN, USA Today, 8 out of 10, believe there are alien life forms and that the Air Force and or military is lying its ass off.
And that image was strengthened by this incredible, unbelievable news conference today.
I mean, it's really a shame that the networks at night did not cover more of that 30 minutes.
It's a classic 30 minutes.
Anybody who had a chance to get it on tape, I hope you got it on tape.
I did.
I'm thankful I immediately yanked the tab and labeled the VHS tape, and I shall keep it forever whenever I need a good laugh.
The End Well, as you may know, I have won an award, and I'm up for another one.
Isn't that amazing?
I went to the National Association of Talk Show Hosts and Talkers Magazine Conference in Los Angeles and won the Best Male Talk Show Host for 1997 award.
It's up on my website if you want to see it.
Dear Art, here are the top 10 reasons that you have won the best male talk show host for 1997.
10.
The Masons picked you.
9.
At 52, they weren't sure if you'd be around in 98.
8.
Susan Lucci was the only other nomination.
7.
A lesser-known talk show host, or even most of them, spends so much time broadsiding you that you've got to be doing something right.
6.
A five-hour talk show with no politics, 14 million listeners, that's our guy.
5.
Location, location, location.
4.
Anyone who says he would sit in a lawn chair in his front yard and do a play-by-play account of a comet that ends the world while sipping iced tea has got to be dedicated to radio.
That's true.
They've read your book and figured now or never.
Reason number two, Chancellor Broadcasting liked their magazine so much they bought the company.
And the number one reason Art Bell won the award for Best Male Talk Show Radio Host.
He's the most hyper-dimensional guy we know.
Jeff and Tri-Cities Break it.
I really wish I could have permission to replay the whole CNN news conference.
In fact, if somebody from CNN is out there and wants to give me permission, I'll put it on.
I'll do that.
I'll replay it.
I'm telling you, you would love it.
The only thing you would miss on the radio is the expression on the Colonel's face.
It was priceless.
This one I will remember forever.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
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listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th 1997 Good morning everybody It was uh it was really something maybe a lot of you did get to see it because you're up here at night It means you're free during the day.
It was the news conference to end all news conferences And frankly, I feel sorry for that colonel very sorry Anyway, we'll get back to all of that in a moment Now we take you back to the night of June 24th 1997 on Art Bell somewhere in time More
earthquakes in Washington State Art we had two more earthquakes here in Washington today both registering 4.6 one of them was from a previously unknown fault line We're hoping that doesn't activate the volcanoes in the area.
I agree, Gary.
Hope not, too.
Again, referring to the press conference, Gary in Como Country says, Art, apparently those dummies are now running the Air Force.
And then this one, Art, I'm not an expert on Roswell, but from what I've read, I just don't recall anyone mentioning ETs with parachutes.
That's Don in San Leandro country.
And then this, Colonel Philip Corso interviewed Tuesday at 10 o'clock, Eastern by Dateline.
Interview was at least respectful.
And by the way, I'm working on an interview with Colonel Corso.
It should come because he had an exclusive and couldn't do anything else until the Dateline story aired, so I will try and talk soon with Colonel Corso.
And I'm also going to be interviewing the author of The Day After Roswell.
He requests that here.
That's a scheduled dreamland coming up.
A gentleman is presently in Germany.
Called me from Germany the other day.
And remember our experiment the other night to call down UFOs?
Well, there were major reports of UFOs, triangular UFOs, over the skies of Nevada today, last night.
Now, how about that, folks?
Major sightings.
And you know what?
I missed it.
I didn't see a thing.
I had to get this from the national press.
As a matter of fact, they were talking about it during the news conference.
So, I missed it.
Then I've got somebody here who saw the same Memorial Day UFO that we did, and I'll read something about that.
I've got a whole lot of stuff here, really.
Oh, by the way, the newspaper in Arizona has apologized.
Somewhere.
Yeah, here it is.
The Arizona Republic has apologized for publishing an editorial cartoon that used the image of a rescuer cradling a child killed in the Oklahoma bombing to criticize capital punishment.
It drew complaints from a national organization of firefighters and mother of the child featured in the photo.
don't know how I've got it on videotape and if not why I'll call them tomorrow and try to get permission to rebroadcast that I think it is it is the wildest thing that I've seen in years and years and years Time compression, yes, siree, sir.
I don't know whether they generally give permission for that sort of thing or not, but I mean, it was covered by the mass media, and I would like permission to rebroadcast CNN's coverage of it.
God, it was great.
I mean, like, you guys really deserve to hear it in its entirety.
I can only wish that I could actually show it to you.
I wonder if CNN has any plans to rebroadcast that.
Sometimes they do that late at night.
I haven't heard about it.
But this was a classic.
It was an absolute classic.
It was like this poor colonel was sent out there to do this absolutely impossible job.
Impossible.
And I can only imagine how he felt walking out there knowing what he was about to have to say, knowing the questions that were going to come.
And even the press, which no doubt was anxious to believe every word they were saying, couldn't swallow it whole at all.
But I probably would have parroted what everybody else was faxing into you, how amusing it was.
But I was watching tonight the movie Michael.
Have you seen that movie Michael?
Yes.
With John Travolta.
Oh, I just thought you'd like to know they do play It's a Wonderful World, you know, by Louis Armstrong, the Willie Nelson version in that movie, which is, oh, it's wonderful.
Yeah, you really had to see the whole thing because the networks, of course, without mercy, chomped it all up.
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Well, Art, the shame of it is, is if somebody picks up a newspaper, sees this report without knowing their full history of it, they're going to say, well, that explains it.
You know, when they expect us to believe that Doug and Dave did the crop circles, there's no reason we would not believe that Vince and Larry was responsible for the Roswell incident.
After all, he called a news conference, said he was going to seriously investigate Phoenix sightings, and then came out of court and said it was all a joke.
Totally uncharacteristic of Governor Symington.
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Are you familiar with William Cooper's work, Hold a Pale Horse?
Yes.
You know, he claims that they are trying to get us ready to accept the fact that there are aliens.
Here, let me make a serious remark about the news conference.
All right.
It was actually so bad, so bad, that it is my view that they are actually trying to destroy their own credibility.
Now, why would they do that?
I don't know.
But what other possible conclusion can you come to?
Those of you who fortunately got to see the news conference are going to be few because it was at noontime.
Unless you had a VCR set or something.
Seeing the coverage of the networks was insufficient.
You had to see the whole thing.
And it was so bad that one can only conclude it was intentionally bad and there was an agenda, a reason that they made it that bad.
I just wonder what this poor Colonel did to deserve being the guy who had to go out there.
As a matter of fact, one of the reporters even commented on that at the beginning and said, Colonel, whatever your name is, you are going to go down now in UFO lore along with a lot of other people as being part of the cover-up.
And he sort of just shrugged his shoulders as though, yeah, I know.
They sent me out here.
I had to do it.
It was Colonel John Haynes.
Now, I would like to interview Colonel Haynes.
I figured I shouldn't interview anybody tonight, and I should leave the lines open because all of you really would want to comment on this.
I would love to interview Colonel Haynes.
He'd be fun to interview.
I doubt he would say anything, but he'd be fun to interview.
Corso would be fun to interview.
He is well now into his 80s.
He's in his 80s, and I would like to interview him.
He was on Dateline.
He'd get a better interview here than he got from Dateline, of course.
And I expect that will be coming up shortly.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
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Yes.
You know, I thought the interview at that thing that they did with Carl Haynes, I noticed he mentioned about the body bags they put the dummies in.
Nothing would affect them, wouldn't want to throw them back of a truck or something.
And he said, yeah, you know, I can understand how people would believe ambulances all over the place, guys in helmets, people crawling and looking for parts of kites and all the rest of it.
But the big problem was that that was in 1953, beginning in 1953 through 59.
Well, you know, why they would do the whole thing, thank you, that was so dumb.
I can't possibly answer it for you.
But I can tell you that it was one of the funniest things I ever saw.
We'll be right back.
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We're talking about the Air Force's news conference, poor Colonel Haynes sent out to do the impossible mission, and Roswell in general.
As you might imagine, I had a guest scheduled, but it would have been a disservice to have her on when so many of you out there would want to talk about the weirdness of the day.
And man, it was weird.
anybody out there see the news conference Anybody listening at CNN, I want permission to replay the entire news conference on the air.
I think the audience has a right to hear it.
It occurred midday.
And I think either CNN should reschedule that news conference for tonight.
As a matter of fact, you know what?
I should monitor CNN just in case they do exactly that.
It's so nice to see that the federal government has a sense of humor.
You know, I was really kind of getting depressed and thinking that maybe everybody was a stuffed shirt and uptight, but today has restored my faith in the humanity of the Pentagon.
Because to sit and see some of my former colleagues goofoying and yucking it up and treating this whole thing like an incredible joke when underneath there is an extremely serious set of questions here is pretty appalling.
And I was very intrigued with your comment made a few minutes ago when you were serious yourself as to a potential agenda.
I think you have hit it right on the head.
I think today's hijinks were so outrageous and so over the top that they were designed To make any serious American stop and think and realize, of course, there's a cover-up.
Not even the government can be this stupid and idiotic and insane as to think that we're going to buy this one.
So, if that's the agenda, if we're supposed to think they're covering up without the mea culpa, without the, we give up, we did it, then why now, on the anniversary of Roswell coming up at Warp 9, does the Pentagon do in essence its own mea culpa in its own weird way?
Answer, we're supposed to get it that Roswell was real.
And it doesn't really matter in terms of what's coming up, this is my analysis now, as to whether we like them or respect them or care a damn bit about what they look like in their blue suits.
The fact is that when the proverbial you know what, hits the proverbial spinning rotary implement, we're going to run to them to save us.
And that may be part of this agenda.
Because you see, if Phoenix means something, if whatever happened in March, in fact, is part of someone's plan, then this is preparation.
This is an exquisite psyops team effort.
On the one hand, you have, you know, Mr. Fauntleroy there in his blues this afternoon, who I would not have traded all the tea in China to have been in his shoes.
You couldn't have paid me enough to stand up there and look like a fool in front of the press.
And in fact, when he made the comment, Art, about his knees were shaking, I think it was a wink between the lines.
I think he was telling all those folks, and they got it, that this whole thing is a charade.
But the other side of this is that if we are being conditioned, if we are being prepared for events to come, I'm not talking about real E.T. events.
I'm talking about something that somebody in the black ops section is making up, is planning, then what we're seeing on the one hand with this absurdity fits.
Because remember, government doesn't care what you think about them as long as they control your thinking.
This is not a matter of respect or credibility.
It's a matter of discredibility.
And that's the weird reverse logic of this almost surreal situation.
They've now gone so far down the road of cover-up through so many witnesses and so much evidence on the table.
It's like that canard from my late friend Carl Sagan where he used to talk about extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
Well, the problem with that is that you can always move the goalposts.
The opposition can always say, oh, sir and sir, the evidence is not extraordinary enough.
When I watched Hockenberry interviewing Corso, I mean, here is a man with an impeccable military career who controlled a division of nuclear weapons in Germany, was on the general command staff, access to the White House, above top secret clearance.
This is not a fool.
Yet John Hockenberry, who was a serious journalist, was treating this man like he was a total idiot and a flake.
And he's telling him very serious things.
Now, two questions that a serious journalist should have asked.
One is, why is this man telling me this?
And if it's not the truth, then why is he telling me a lie so outrageous that he wants me to believe it's the truth or part of the truth?
Because in the interview on Dateline, he made some statements that were so interesting in their substance.
And I don't want to prejudice the audience and the interview and all that, so I'm going to hold my comments based on what I know you can do if you get him in the chair for an hour or two.
But I think that there's something remarkably interesting about Courso's whole story.
Now, what you need to do is you need to stand back and put on the left hand this charade today, and on the right hand, Courso's statement, complete with forward by Strom Thurmond.
The gestalt is the buffoons are making such an idiot of themselves that any reasonable person has to say, wait a minute, there actually is some smoke here.
They're actually being so absurd because they are covering up something.
So the bottom line is that we tend to believe more tonight that Roswell, in fact, did occur than we did not, even though they have not admitted anything.
George Bush, former President of the United States, head of the CIA, three or four times.
Dan Quayle at least five times.
Now, when I talked with Frances Barwood this afternoon, and that's the level of our source, she said, well, do you know who else is in town and has been here for two days?
And as you know, I think Phoenix is very centrally involved in the NASA, Sidonia, et cetera, story.
We are in the process of deep negotiations.
There's a possibility rising to the level of a, well, we'll just say a possibility, that we're going to bring an enterprise seminar to downtown Phoenix sometime in early or mid-July to lay out research that we're conducting into the genesis,
the origin of Phoenix, the founding of the city of Phoenix, and some potential reasons for why there is this apparent intense interest by a lot of very high-level people in this little town in the American Southwest.
Remember, I just spoke the other night about the patent of application that Lord Dupa, Darrell Dupa, who was the British aristocrat who helped found and name Phoenix, got from then President of the United States Ulysses S. Grant.
Well, we have been given access through a member of Grant's family who called in, per my request on your show, to documents and papers and letters and other things.
And it's becoming really interesting, extraordinarily interesting, in terms of the conditions around this grant from the President by executive order of a patent.
A patent turns out to be the ultimate of land titles.
It supersedes a normal color of title or a quit claim or a deed of ownership.
A patent is the highest testimony in law, it turns out, to ownership of land that can exist anywhere in the world.
It is the equivalent of a contract between sovereigns, meaning lords, kings, queens, presidents, whatever.
And what it's beginning to look like, and we're doing our homework, and I don't want to be preemptive here, but it looks like that Ulysses Grant, in essence, conferred upon Phoenix the equivalency of a country within the United States of America, something equivalent to the District of Columbia, which of course and is the nation's capital.
But by the time we may do this thing in Phoenix, which again is under intense discussion now, and in the next day or two we'll have a final resolution, we will get those answers and we're going to hopefully be able to lay them out for your audience and for the people of Phoenix.
And by that time, maybe whatever is agonizingly ticking away with Mars Pathfinder will have matriculated to the next level and we'll all know more.
And we announced this when we did the show last week.
We said that there was going to be a burn, an adjustment with the onboard rockets of a few feet per second to trim up the course on June 24th.
That was the plan all along.
For reasons that are not yet clear, they have delayed that by 24 hours.
Now, that's a change.
It isn't the radical change we were discussing, but it's a change.
Now, from here, two things can happen.
One is communication sometime between tonight and tomorrow morning at 8.30 Pacific Standard, or Pacific Daylight Time, will be lost per our original scenario.
Or the burn will go off as scheduled at about 8, I'm sorry, 10 o'clock, which would be what?
10 o'clock Pacific Daylight Time is when the burn is supposed to take place.
I've got kind of a big piece of information for you.
You're in the New York City area.
I wasn't going to say anything about this, but what the hell?
Last Saturday night, WABC in New York ran a five-hour program of ours, and they're going to do it again this Saturday night.
Saturday night, Sunday morning, WABC, New York.
Remember WABC?
I sure do from my younger days.
No matter where you were in the Northeast, you couldn't miss WABC.
Remember them?
77 WABC?
I can't do that, but that was their old logo.
The sister station, of course, to our affiliate in Los Angeles, KBC.
Anyway, we were on WABC last Saturday night.
I've been holding on to this information.
We're going to be on again this Saturday night.
So if you're in the New York City area, check our act out at midnight.
WABC, New York.
We'll get back to this discussion of the Air Force News Conference, which was most incredible.
And whatever else you want to talk about, it's going to be open minds all night long.
I did have a guest scheduled.
Richard was here for about a half hour just updating us on a few things.
We'll be doing another show with him soon.
So it's going to be open minds.
I mean, whatever you want to talk about is fair game, and I suspect a lot of you want to comment on the news conference.
Listen, there is a way for you with computers, of course, to see it.
My understanding is, let's see, Charles Listening in Anchorage says, Art Good Show CNN has a streaming video of the conference on its website.
It's 21 minutes, 30 seconds long.
It requires a plug-in for your browser to see this is new stuff, you know, streaming video.
Could this be a distraction from the Mars Pathfinder problems?
Anyway, you can, I've got an address here where you can see the streaming video of this news conference.
And I, again, seek the permission of CNN, if you're listening out there in Atlanta, to rerun in its entirety the audio portion of the news conference that CNN broadcasts.
I will seek their official permission to do that tomorrow.
They probably won't give it to me.
But I would really, I mean, the audience, if you're listening there at CNN, my audience, the audience, really ought to have a chance to see it now.
I am monitoring CNN right now.
And there's always a chance, you know, they'll run it late or something, but it was hilarious.
That's the only word for it.
Hilarious.
and if you weren't laughing you'd be crying anyway we'll get back to uh...
I'll get back to your calls here in a second.
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You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
Ron says, I only had a chance to catch a small part of the press conference, but what I did catch blew me away.
In particular, I heard a high-ranking Air Force officer, that would be our colonel, trying to explain how people became confused about the facts.
What he did, however, is instead reveal the truth.
He did this through a complete accident.
I heard him trying to explain their conclusions, but in doing so, he said, and I quote, if you take that and spin it, he's right, he did say that, if you take all that, you know, the balloon trains and the dummies they talked about, and you take that and you spin it, why, it explains everything.
No doubt a Freudian slip that revealed his true mission and objectives.
Personally, I do not believe for certain it was a UFO crash with dead or alive aliens, but after witnessing the circus-like atmosphere of the Air Force news conference effort, I'm left with no choice but to believe there is a wholesale cover-up in progress.
What I don't understand is why.
Why bother?
Why now?
Why risk it?
Does the Air Force really believe they have any real measure of credibility with the American people?
If they did have any, as of yesterday, what they did today created some serious damage to their credibility.
All the best.
Ron, and he gives his last name as well.
And then this art, please tell the story of the guy on the plane with a gun.
Congratulations on the award.
73s.
Must be a ham.
Aloha.
Must be in Hawaii.
Well, I really didn't get to tell that story, did I?
We went to the big conference in Los Angeles, the conference of Narutash, National Association of Radio Talk Show Hosts, and Talkers Magazine, and we had to go to LA, so we flew.
It's a one-hour flight.
You know, you get up, they give you a quick beverage, and by the time you're about halfway through it, you're descending.
Very fast flight from McCarran down to LAX.
Anyway, on the way home, about 8 o'clock or so at night, a little before 8, we went to gate number 1, which is generally the gate to fly back to Las Vegas from L.A. And here comes a couple of cops, and they go running in, you know, past the gate into where the airplane is that we're about to get on.
Pretty soon, here come three more cops.
I mean, just at a flat run.
By the time it was over, there were 11 cops on that airplane.
Well, time passes.
We all wonder what's going on.
Here comes this guy, bound in handcuffs, being carried, escorted off the airplane.
And a stewardess told us that it was a guy with a gun.
Now, my understanding is that the guy with the gun actually, have you ever seen those cigarette lighters?
They looked exactly like guns, except when you pull the trigger, they light a cigarette, right?
Well, he must have had one of those in a suitcase or something.
And they scanned it, and they found it, but they didn't stop him there.
Somehow he got on the aircraft.
So everybody freaked out, including me, because I thought, great, we were about to get on an airplane that was probably about to be hijacked.
So we got off the ground a little late, needless to say.
And it was kind of an interesting experience, and that is the story.
And that's why I wanted to tell you this, because the skipper was showing them all over the ship.
First thing he showed him was the computer that shows where they are, you know, and it's pinpoints, everything else, and then the next one down and back up and then the next one down.
He says if those two, if we really want to know what's going on, we go to this screen.
He turns it on and CNN.
And then the navigator was explaining that three of them go out weather permitting and get star fixes each night like they used to with the sectet and everything.
And they're explaining everything about how they navigate.
He says, but actually, how we really know where we are?
And he opens a drawer, and in the drawer is a Magellan.
searching the ship of shortwave radio nothing if i could hear anything and that related subject and i heard quite a few unbelievable things middle east terrorists might be planning to release uh...
uh...
anthrax And also I heard Stan Deo's name mentioned in some context of some sort of events.
I don't know if you've been in contact with Stan Deo from Australia recently.
He's a real big technology expert, and he's predicting that a privately held company by the name of Tut Systems, Tut, T-U-T, like King Tut, he's predicting that this company is going to be like one of the big, big winners in this internet bandwidth race.
On the Internet, the big logjam is the bandwidth, all the spectrums of communication.
The centerpiece of discussion this morning is the Air Force's news conference held at about noon yesterday.
A Pentagon backdrop, a weak-kneed colonel who came out, his own admission, his knees were shaking, Colonel John Aines, and he proceeded to try to, well, he held up this book saying Roswell, case closed.
Then they showed film from the 1950s and up to 1960 folks trying to explain away an incident in 1947.
Well, the American press out front in large numbers, ready as they were to buy this whole story, were forced to ask questions like, excuse me, Colonel, how can you account for the six-year difference between 1947 and the film you're showing us of the balloons and the crash dummies?
And this poor Colonel had to sit up there and say, well, it's time compression.
Time compression.
People forget dates and times and things like that.
It was arguably the worst yet.
It was a joke.
It was funny.
And, I mean, it was actually a riot.
But it was sad at the same time.
I felt sad for this colonel, who was no doubt sent out there from some cigar chompin' general, who said, son, you've had a good military career.
Now we're going to send you out there to do your big job.
It's one you've been trained for all your life, so go out and tell the press that here's what happened.
Then, you know, he's got to say, well, what about the six years, General?
How am I going to explain that?
Well, son, you talk about time compression.
Haven't you ever heard time compression?
You know, it's when times, dates, things like that get confused.
The Arizona Republic has apologized for the Benson cartoon.
The newspaper apologized.
Benson didn't.
He said something about, well, he regrets if there was any pain inflicted on the mother of the dead child.
That's as far as he would go.
Newspaper, however, apologized.
Said they should have reviewed it more carefully before going to publication with it.
Here's another newspaper article, this one from the Las Vegas Review Journal, entitled Millennium Sparks Time Capsule Frenzy.
It's a dateline Atlanta by the AP.
As the millennium approaches, people everywhere are burying time capsules like squirrels trying to preserve snapshots of the 20th century for future generations.
Beanie babies.
A pair of Air Jordans.
A newspaper headline on the Oklahoma City bombing trial.
Seal them in a metal container and you have instant archaeology.
That is, if future historians, eager for a peek at the past, can even find the estimated get this, folks, 10,000 time capsules out there somewhere, filled with everything from Elvis memorabilia to buns of steel workout videos.
We should create a time capsule.
And one of the things in it, I think, should be this CNN, the CNN coverage of the Air Force's press conference yesterday.
That should definitely go in a press cap.
Time capsule.
Press capsule.
Oh, boy.
Did you see the dummies?
Somebody else sent me a really funny fact about the dummies sticking to the UFO and causing it to crash.
I believe that there's two conclusions you can come to.
The government is not that dumb to make this big a mistake.
I don't believe they are because they've kept so many good secrets.
And what doesn't make sense to me is we found out about the U-2 spy plane and the stealth fighter and the stealth bomber about approximately 20 years after they were developed, approximately, correct?
From the development of the atom bomb to the feeding of plutonium to pregnant women and children, all the rest of it, they've kept all kinds of secrets.
So I, you know, they're crazy.
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I believe those planes were more relevant than a dummy and a hot air balloon or whatever, a weather balloon, right?
I believe they're more relevant.
So I know something is not right about that.
I believe that they are trying to cover up the truth.
In other words, their press conference was so without redeeming value and was such an obvious farce that you can only conclude that they want us to believe, as Richard said, and as I believe, that Roswell was real.
What other conclusions could you possibly come to after seeing this ridiculous display?
I mean, they would have been much better off to have kept their mouths shut.
But instead, they've had the exact opposite effect they wanted to have.
Poor Colonel Haynes, I just, I keep imagining the meeting where Colonel Haynes was to be sent out to the press and eaten alive.
I mean, how would you like to be the guy going out to try to explain to the press that here is the final case-closed Roswell report with video snapshots of something that occurred at the very earliest in 1952, not 1947, but 1952.
Well, Colonel, how do you account for the difference?
Time compression, he said.
People forget dates and stuff, he said.
I mean, that can't be serious.
But they were.
I mean, all this was done with the backdrop of the Pentagon seal and everything.
Well, in the way I recall it, when Representative Schiff requested the records from 1947, they were all lost or destroyed.
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Okay, so if that's the case, then, I mean, aren't these guys claiming that they actually have those records and they've reviewed them and decided that there's nothing there?
I mean, Colonel Richard Weaver, the guy that did the first report, claims that he had permission from the Secretary of the Air Force to go and read all the documents.
You know, he had basically open permission to go and read anything he could get his hands on.
Yes, sir, but I repeat, most of the documents that were relevant to 1947 are missing.
unidentified
Right.
But the point I'm trying to make is if they're missing, how could they possibly say that the case was closed when they can't even produce the documents of the case?
Well, you are proof then of my theory about why they held the news conference.
That's absolute proof right there.
See, there's somebody who doubted.
But after the news conference, he now believes.
And so you've got to imagine, folks, those of you who have been following this for a long time, that what they did was so lame, so lame, that it was actually intended to create more believers.
Now, why would they want to create more believers?
A lot of people have them out there, but maybe with a little pull, you know, we can get it put in a corner of a building somewhere or buried in cement someplace.
But you've got to come up with the right things.
Things that represent the latter part of this century that would be found, I don't know, 10,000 years from now and carefully excavated.
And then you've got the archaeologists with little brushes and they would brush it off very carefully and then pop the top and look inside.
Well, I think there's a reason they did it, Fritz.
It couldn't truly be that bad.
They're not really that dumb.
I was in there before, so they're not that dumb.
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And I could, all I want to say is to the closing here, the display over Phoenix, I have a feeling, will repeat over many cities, and you can take that to the bank.
I really hate promoing something that's going to occur in my own show, but what the hell?
In exactly 15 minutes, according to somebody who just taxed me, if you have access to it, C-SPAN 2, repeat, C-SPAN 2 at 12.50 a.m. Pacific Time, or in other words, about 15 minutes from right now in whatever time zone you're in, is going to air the entire UFO, a Roswell, whatever you want to call it, news conference, and I don't want you to miss it.
So please, if you have access to cable or satellite or whatever, and you have C-SPAN 2, I hope it's true, we'll check it out here to be sure it is.
But C-SPAN 2, 15 minutes from now, is due to air the whole thing.
Whatever you do, you don't want to miss it.
15 minutes from right now.
So I hate telling anybody to shut off my own show, but I want you to do that.
At least check it out, and we'll try and confirm the fact that it begins.
We've got C-SPAN 2 here by satellite, so we'll check it out.
Here's more reaction.
It just keeps rolling in.
Art, good evening.
The announcement today was the most ridiculous piece of BS I've ever heard.
At one point, in trying to explain what had happened at Roswell, even after admitting that he was unsure if they were using dummies in 1947, said the Roswell area, responded with aircraft, da, da, da, and ambulances.
If these were dummies, why in the hell did they need ambulances?
Yes, yes, yes indeed.
And also, somebody asked if I would please bring in my cat, Comet, and so they could see Comet.
So I did.
And what I did is, during this last break, about three minutes ago, I brought Comet into the studio and let a picture be snapped.
And then I stopped the feed.
So I'm going to leave that up there for about the next half hour.
If you want to see what Comet looks like, there he is.
I brought him in during a break.
Go on up to my website right now.
And you can see how Comet has grown.
Boy, oh boy, has this cat grown.
He's really in good shape.
Anyway, I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
So those two items, Comets on the website right now on the studio cam, and it'll be fixed on that for about the next 30 minutes so you can see it.
Before I go back to live shots, that's one.
And two is, in now less than 15 minutes, C-SPAN 2 is due to air the entire news conference if this is accurate.
So thank you whoever faxed this to me.
And this is a rare instance where I will tell you, trust me on this.
Keep my show on in the background if you want to, or turn it off if you have to.
But do not miss this press conference.
Of all people, I want my audience, I really want my audience to be able to see this.
You have to see it live to understand how ludicrous it really was.
Music We're going to monitor C-SPAN 2 here at the house and alert you if they begin running it.
Again, in about nine minutes now, they're due to repeat this entire news conference.
I hope that's true.
C-SPAN 2.
C-SPAN 2, if you have that on your cable or satellite.
The Magellan, now all of a sudden I understand what you're talking about.
There's a Magellan 2000, which is a device that will tell you there's about 37 satellites that are around the Earth right now.
And Magellan is a little handheld device, and you turn it on, and when you do, it gives you a readout in degrees, minutes, and seconds of exactly where you are, whether you're in the middle of the jungle or in New York City or in Sedona, Arizona, or wherever, within a few feet of actually where you are on the Earth.
It's a speedometer, a pedometer, odometer.
It will tell you how fast you're going.
It'll help you retrace your route.
It's an amazing device.
That's what the Magellan is.
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Okay, but now I truly want to hear about Richard's Magellan now that you brought it up.
And, you know, Today I became, you know, just very, very concerned about something.
I've been concerned about it for a while, but, you know, it looks like our government is becoming more and more, for lack of a better word, I'm going to use the word oppressive.
And yet we are the great leaders of freedom.
We go out and try to solve everybody else's problems, and they're lying to the American public.
And because we are lied to, because the people that we elect are a bunch of damn fools, does not stop me from proclaiming and maintaining that this is the world's greatest country.
It is by a long shot the world's greatest country.
No matter how you may think they have eroded and they have, we have more real freedom than any other country in the whole world.
We have less oppression by taxation, horrible as it is.
And look, when I look at my paycheck, I tell you I scream bloody murder, so it's not good, but it's the best.
And I know because I've been around.
Art, you read my mind about the UFO news conference.
I think they're trying to destroy their credibility so that they can finally say, oh, all right, you caught us.
And we're finally going to come clean.
Be the fourth news conference, eh?
They're preparing us by living down to our very cynical expectations.
Well, the way the bands have been lately, George, unless you've got a big antenna up for 75 or 40 meters, I would say we've got about two years to wait until the high bands open back up properly.
Yes, well, I called CFUN and talked to their program director, and he said he did call and talk to your people.
And he asked me to please call you and announce on the air that it's not true, as far as CFUN's concerned, to let you know that you're extremely popular up here.
I'm sure they got a lot of phone calls.
And they are now starting your show at 10 o'clock.
And you know, when I begin hearing from several sources, then I pay attention that there was a certain Canadian talk host who's on during similar hours and was making a protest, having people call stations saying that I should be taken off because of Canadian content laws or something or another.
Something like that.
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Yeah, so he was saying he wished he knew who started the rumor.
Because if that was true, they could have like Dr. Laura on and a couple of other people they have on that are all from the States Johnson.
Have they been relaxing the Canadian content rule a little bit, or what's going on up there?
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I don't necessarily know if they've been relaxing it, but I know they're going to get a lot of angry people because most Canadians watch everything American on TV.
I can give you one example.
You probably don't know about Country Music Television Station.
They took that off up here and put a Canadian national country music station, and everybody complained, so they finally had to go back and put CNT back on.
So I don't think you have anything to worry about.
So, listen, folks, that news conference is running right now on C-SPAN 2.
It is nothing short of incredible.
I mean, so you've got to see it.
If you've got any access to C-SPAN 2, get over there.
Right now, it's already underway by about seven minutes, but you'll still see the best part of it.
And for those who want to see Comet, I snapped a picture about 30 minutes ago, and I'll leave it on for the next few minutes at least, up on the website, the Live Cam Shots.
And I'm letting this one repeat, because I took my wild child Comet in there and let it snap a picture.
So if you want to see what Comet looks like now, after being fed properly for some number of months, go take a look.
See, he's coming right along.
Nor did he scratch me to death while endeavoring to take that photograph.
That, too, is progress.
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You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
Coast to Coast AM from June
24, 1997.
Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
You're listening to Mark Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
Tonight, come on for a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
Hopefully, a lot of you are actually not here, but on C-SPAN 2, watching the news conference.
As a matter of fact, once I'm aware that it is over, I intend to open a special line for those of you who just saw the news conference, because I want to hear your opinion.
We're beginning to get time capsule suggestions here.
Number one, a stone wall in memory of Bill and Hillary.
It'll last 10,000 years.
Two, Dennis Rodman's head.
All those chemicals in his hair might give him a half-life of 10,000 years.
Enart Bell, one of the finest minds today.
Your head might not last as long as Rodman's, but the memory will go on.
And this art, you might want to put a copy of your book, The Quickening, in there.
That way, it'll tell the future folks all they need to know about the 90s.
It's true.
By the way, I keep saying it, and I can't tell you how much longer it's going to go on, but not much.
If you want to copy, a first edition copy of The Quickening, and it is only just beginning in distribution, by the way, there will never again be this opportunity.
Maybe at Christmas or something.
You know, every Christmas I sign a few copies.
But other than that, we're coming down the home trail here, folks, on signed copies.
So if you want an autographed copy of The Quickening, you call right now.
1-800-864-7991.
1-800-864-7991.
I'm getting all kinds of reviews from everybody now who's read it and they love it.
And I understand that.
You should.
Yeah, here's another one.
Your new book definitely needs to go in the time capsule.
The people in the future will know what happened to our society.
Adrowned on a Moral Titanic.
From Michael at Listening to KBC.
It really is a good book.
It really is an important book.
And somebody else said they enjoyed the little fictional beginnings to each chapter, which we did to simply illustrate where we thought what we were about to document would be going.
So that's the way the book is laid out, as it takes on each aspect of what I call the quickening.
Anyway, autographed copies are coming to an end.
So you must not wait.
1-800-864-7991.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Yes.
I was in the Air Force about three, four years ago, and in relation to what you're talking about on the air.
I had a top secret clearance when I was in the Air Force, and I was a security policeman, and I just saw a lot of weird stuff that took place in Europe, and all kinds of stuff.
I worked around the highest priority of weapons, and just, you know, what the public doesn't know goes on, you know, and the Air Force doesn't tell them, is really amazing.
Is the most amazing dance I've ever seen in my entire life.
unidentified
Yeah, it's just real hard to believe after all these years that they're coming up, you know, now with all the stuff you're doing on the air and talking about and just divulging all this information now at this time after how many years, you know?
Art, we have listened to your show for quite some time and thoroughly enjoy your program.
I can't visualize or even comprehend how the Air Force could even think that the American public, that's us, Art, could possibly be so stupid as to believe that a batch of, for a better lack of what to call it, crap, and I did study to find the word to properly describe this.
And the saddest thing of all is that the American public put our trust for defense in this department.
What do you really think?
Thanks for taking your busy time out to read our note, Wayne and Liz in Jacksonville, Florida.
Well, what I really think about Wayne and Liz is that it was so bad, so lame, so pathetic, that it was actually designed to make us believe that Roswell did occur.
I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion.
How can they possibly, possibly give us film from seven years to ten years after the incident and using the Colonel's words, spin it together to be the explanation for what occurred in 1947?
You talked about, you said facts, nail mail, email, whatever.
Pretty good privacy, whatever way you're not willing to send me anything, any documentation, but you're going to weave a tail while I play a commercial.
And somehow you wouldn't think of aliens as parachuting in anyway.
I don't know.
They had it all messed up.
It was so bad that I really did feel sorry for the Colonel because I feel he was sent out there against all his better instincts to sell the unsellable.
And I have the victims here, not with me right now, because one of them went to Anchorage.
But I can have them here tomorrow to talk to you on another line or something, you know, so that they can give you more information about what actually happened up here.
Well, there were some guys that went to their trailer and they tried to use gas cans and stuff like that in the middle of the night, and they tried to run them off of their property that they own.
I'm going to open a line, maybe a couple of them, for those of you who have just seen the news conference.
And by the way, for those of you who missed it, from Brett in Austin, Texas, one of the disillusioned masses he calls himself, Art just wanted to let you know, the press conference is going to be on regular old C-SPAN at 6.35 a.m. Eastern Time, too.
So those of us with lame cable companies can get to see it.
That's 6.35 a.m. Eastern or 9.35 here in the West.
It looks like they're trying to improve upon the big lie strategy.
Now we have the dumb lie.
Jeff in Houston.
Thank you, Jeff.
You're exactly right.
And here's another one.
I just finished watching the rebroadcast of the Air Force Roswell press conference on C-SPAN 2 at 1 a.m.
Pacific.
The stumbling, bumbling answers proffered by the military spokesman was a shameful display of the continuing government policy of cover-up and misdirection at any cost, regardless of how ridiculous it may come across.
One thing which I can't figure out is, why would Mac Grazel, the rancher on whose land the craft landed, have needed to inform the government that a craft had landed or crashed at all?
If it was merely a test craft, wouldn't the military have been monitoring the flight of the craft and known where the craft had crashed?
Plus, why would the military surround and cordon off the ranch for a mere test craft?
It does not compute Nick in San Diego.
All right, I am now going to, you know, I've got to presume that at noontime a lot of you did not get to see it.
But the C-SPAN 2 coverage now should have given you a lot of you an opportunity to have seen it.
So, let me open my first time caller line for those of you who just got to see it.
because I would like your reaction.
unidentified
And now we take you back to the night of June 24th, 1997, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
A couple years ago, you had a guy on who was an author of a book, and he talked about people inside the planet or lived inside the planet or something.
And when everything was going on with John Hoag and about Phoenix, about the lights and the V-ships, there's a lot of different correlations there between the stuff that Admiral Byrd talked about in his diaries.
I'd like to read them.
It's a really sketchy, short little book that's like actually photocopies of handwritten pages, which leads me to doubt its authenticity.
But it leads, are you familiar also with the IM activities at the beginning of the century?
It might be something, you just might want to check it out.
Because the same thing occurred with the man who started the activities.
It was sort of, it would be an offshoot, like a cult or religion.
And basically, he says that there are underground cities in different parts of the world which have people in them who are much more highly advanced than we are, like on the evolutionary scale.
Because they stay here consciously, on purpose, to help humanity evolving.
But the thing is, it has a lot of different links with the stuff that Admiral Byrd talked about.
Because in the description of the diaries of his, it sounds like the same type of thing, where it's sort of like an intergalactic community like you would see on Star Trek.
Well, I can't think of any group of people who would knowingly, willingly live underground and think of them as really smart.
I mean, that's got to be a pretty dismal existence.
Wasn't there a science fiction book about two groups of people?
Remember that?
One group that lived underground, and they served the people who lived above ground.
And they had all the machines and factories underground.
And they made things for the people who lived above ground, who lived the idyllic life, walking around with flowers in their hair and calling each other brother and sister.
And they never had to worry or work because all the food and clothing and shelter was provided by those who worked underground.
Only problem was, every now and then, the people who worked underground would come up out of the manholes and grab one of the idiots walking around above ground and take them below ground and eat them.
I can't remember what movie that was, but it was awful.
I think it's, as I said earlier in the show, I figure some general told him to say that.
You know, I mean, surely the colonel had to ask, General, have I really got to go out there and have I really got to tell them that all of this seven years, ten years later, accounts for what occurred in 1947?
General, they're not going to believe me.
They're going to ask about all this time.
What do I say?
unidentified
Well, son, you tell them about time compression.
You know, people forgetting about dates and times and things like that.
Well, it's really been nice talking to you, and I love your show, and just keep on doing what you're doing.
You know, I think this Phoenix incident was a staged government incident.
The other night, or last night, when you had that replay of the guy from CSETI, he mentioned something about how the government was trying to stage a hostile alien invasion.
And the way they were situated, it just reminded me very much of Independence Day.
And I think this alien autopsy, which I think was phony, and I think they're trying to condition us to believe that there is a hostile alien invasion imminent.
If you were to wake up in the morning, you know, like in ID4, and go outside and look up, and here covering the entire skyline of Los Angeles, probably up through Hollywood, was this giant ship, what do you think would happen in L.A. Just another thing.
My guess is that when the Chinese take over Hong Kong in the very beginning, in the first weeks, months, even years, there's not going to be a lot of difference.
It's going to be rather slow.
Creeping totalitarianism is what it's going to be.
And it will change, and you will see people arrested.
There will be demonstrations.
But the people in Hong Kong are a strange group.
They really don't get excited.
In other words, most of them originally came from mainland China.
And they remember the way it was.
And they know what they cannot do.
And what they cannot do is protest the inevitable.
And if they do, I think the Chinese saying about the nail that sticks up is the one that gets pounded down.
Well, I think it is an historic document, and you should keep it forever.
I plan to.
I immediately pulled the tab on mine, and I shall keep it forever, every now and then, playing it to remind myself of the regard they have for our intelligence.
It's either that, or it's that they actually want us to believe that what occurred at Roswell was real in 1947, because it was so lame, what they did was so lame yesterday, that a body simply can't come to any other conclusion.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
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How you doing, this is Sean Culling from the Great Northwest, Como KBI.
Yes, sir.
And do you realize that this policy that the Air Force has put out, we'll actually find out what they've done than telling the truth with Roswell, I think, in about 250 years from now?
Well, there's a million answers to that, from national security to social disruption as outlined in the Brookings report, to the poor scientific careers out there that would be ruined, to religious disruption.
You take your pick.
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Do you think maybe they don't even know, the current people in the Air Force don't even know because their records were so smothered?