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June 24, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Roswell Case Closed - USAF Press Conference

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, wherever you may be in this great land.
		From the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains in the west, with visions of dancing girls exotic, all the way east over the rest of us, to the U.S. Virgin Islands in the Caribbean, where volcanoes threaten south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the old internet.
		Good morning, everybody.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. And I'm Mark Bell.
		Well, I was going to have a very, very nice young lady on tonight called Teresa Martino.
		His name is Teresa Martino.
		And she...
		But we're probably going to do that tomorrow night or the next night.
		Because at noontime, the Air Force blew everything away.
		I must admit, I was not expecting what we got today.
		Now, I don't know how many of you had the luxury of seeing the entire news conference.
unidentified		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then, you know, I taped it and watched it over again.
		And it was wonderful.
		It was some of the best comedy I have seen in years.
		I laughed my way all the way through it.
		Here with a backdrop of the Pentagon, you know, very serious backdrop.
		The Pentagon, the seal in the background.
		Out comes this Colonel, John Haynes, Lieutenant Colonel, I believe, John Haynes, Air Force.
		You can only wonder how this poor slob got picked.
		I don't know if he was PR or what his real official title is, but I can kind of figure out how the meeting went, where he got picked, and we'll talk about that.
		The upshot of the entire thing is they have written a book.
		The Air Force wrote a book.
		Cost X number of dollars.
		It's about Roswell.
		And it is entitled, It has slammed right across it.
		Case closed.
		Case closed.
		Anyway, the upshot of the entire news conference was that the Air Force had high-altitude balloon research using balloon trains, using high-altitude release of dummies.
		Dummies.
		And they are full man's eyes dummies, by the way.
		The problem, of course, with all of this, and they had some pretty neat footage, you know, of these saucer-like things, and, of course, the famous balloons, like the one held up by Major Marcel in his humiliation.
		The problem with the entire Air Force news conference was that they missed it by six years.
		In other words, the footage they showed us of the testing they did occurred from six years to a decade after 1947.
		Now, this is an impossible hole in their story.
		Ah, but not to be deterred.
		The colonel simply suggested, well, he said, it's time compression.
unidentified		You know, people forget dates and stuff, he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was remarkable.
		It went on, I would say, for an entire 30 minutes.
		And then when the reporters got frustrated with asking questions about the Roswell thing, because it obviously had such a big hole in it you could drive a B-2 bomber through it, they began asking him about Thank God I taped that.
		Thank you, Richard Hoagland, for alerting me to the fact that it was coming up.
		I knew they were going to do it at some time during the day, but Richard called my wife before the news conference and said, begin taping.
		They're about to do it, and she did, and so we got it on tape.
		God, it was funny.
		Anyway, they began asking about Area 51.
		Colonel Haynes, at that point, was seen to be gulping hard, and he said, well, that's out of my area, and I'm not briefed on that kind of thing.
		And yeah, there's classified stuff going on out there, and I can't talk about it.
		And so then they pounded on him some more on Area 51, this whole room of reporters.
		And he couldn't and wouldn't answer any questions about Area 51 other than to say, well, you must mean the Groom Lake area.
		Well, it's classified, and I can't talk about it.
		Reporters said, well, you know, that's going to make everybody think it's big cover-up then.
		And he said, well, I can't talk about it.
		But again, with respect to Roswell, they say case closed, that's it.
		Why, you see, we dropped human-looking dummies from balloons.
		And that accounts for the bodies.
		And so now we finally have it all in hand.
		Only problem is they missed the date by six years, six years.
		And I can almost picture the meeting where this poor colonel, John Haynes, was picked to go out and talk to the press and present this book they had written called Roswell Case Closed.
		And you can almost picture this big old general, you know, sitting back behind his desk with a big old fat cigar in his mouth saying, well, son, you've been picked for an honorable job.
unidentified		You're going to go out and talk to the press about Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell them the story here.
		Look at this book.
		But, General, wait a minute, General.
		Look at this.
		We didn't begin doing this until 1952, 1953, well up into almost 1959, 1960.
		How am I going to answer that, General?
unidentified		Well, son, haven't you ever heard of time compression?
		That's right, time compression, son.
		It's where people don't know what time it is.
		It all gets compressed up and they forget about dates and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go out there and talk about time compression.
		But, General, they're not going to believe me.
		Just be sincere, son.
		You got a good career coming up here in the Air Force.
		Go out there and give me hell, soon.
		Yes, sir.
		And away he goes.
		Now I've got a number of faxes on this thing.
		From Linda Moulton Howe.
		I don't know if she intended for this to be read on the air.
		Hi, Art.
		What the Air Force has done, besides crying wolf too many times, is to confirm now that there were bodies at the crash site.
		Were bodies.
		The government's hall of mirrors with a quicksand floor has swallowed up a lot in the past half century.
		But one thing about truth, it always seems to float to the top eventually.
		What really gets me is that Philip Corso deserves serious media reporting about material in his book that can be researched and presented straight.
		But Dateline tonight just did another.
		If it's Roswell, it must be crazy, including Corso kind of superficial ridicule that mainstream media now trots out like a knee-jerk reaction to almost any UFO-related subject matter.
		How wonderfully perfect it would be.
		Now on the 50th anniversary, the alien intelligence itself decided to commemorate the cycle of time in its own fashion and pull the rug out from under all the arrogant ridiculers.
		And then she says, found photos.
		Sending them tomorrow for you to scan.
		Now she is referring there to the Miss Idaho photographs.
		And I'll believe them when they get here, Linda.
		Or this.
		And I'm just giving you representative samples of the faxes and email that I got today.
		Today on Comedy Cover-Up, a scintillating interview with the Roswell dummies, fresh from their lucrative book tour, catch the crazy scoops as Sanford and Sons, starring Red Fox, admonishes our heroes, Get the hell in there, you dummies.
		It's a big one, Elizabeth.
		I'm coming to join you.
		Tomorrow on Comedy Cover-Up, the JFK conspiracy debunked.
		It really was an 11-year-old boy with a pea shooter.
		Of course, it was a pea shooter back-engineered from an extraterrestrial pea shooting device found in the New Mexico desert in the 40s.
		Or, oh, my.
		I mean, the 50s.
		No, wait a minute.
		It was the 60s, after all.
		Oh, whatever.
		That's from Josh in San Francisco.
		And it goes on.
		Andy and Van Euys, dear art, I just finished watching the Air Force's press conference, and I'm amazed my TV set is still intact.
		Never, never have I seen a more shameful charade of lies as this.
		One thing is to expect the military's lie, but it is completely appalling to see how the press reacted.
		It was more than clearly evident that the majority of the reporters covering the conference didn't take it seriously.
		I laughed a lot.
		Not only were they unprepared, they were taking this as a brief detour to their lunch or at the end of their shifts.
		I've worked for the press in the past, and it makes me ashamed to see the level of professionalism seen in this press conference.
		It is apparent that the mainstream press is extremely prejudiced to this entire issue, and any legitimate coverage will just be a pipe dream to those seeking real answers to a worldwide enigma, Andy and Van Euys.
		And then this, Art, please tell me you heard the CNN broadcast of the Air Force Colonel introducing the definitive report on the Roswell incident, the balloons, the dummies, the Pentagon, my God, what theater, what obfuscation, what disingenuous drivel from the parrot, who obviously was told what to say and played his part brilliantly.
		Well, I don't know about that.
		I don't know about that.
		Brilliantly.
		I'm not so sure.
		Jim Mars, who was then given a phone interview by CNN Anchor, or the anchor, immediately after the press conference, made the most sense of anyone, including the Pentagon Colonel, the idiot, ill-informed reporters at the press conference, the completely lost CNN anchor.
		That's true.
		I can hardly wait for tonight's broadcast.
		Well, Mr. Mars, who was a guest here last week, indeed was then interviewed by CNN, and he did a very, very good job of concluding how underwhelmed he was.
		And he said, the only dummies around are the ones who believe what we were just told.
		He's exactly right.
		God, it was awful.
		I mean, it was high comedy, but it was, in terms of being anything serious, it was absolutely awful.
		Or this from Arlie in Little Rock, Arkansas.
		I was amused.
		Everybody's using that word at the Air Force's press conference, which was more of a dog and pony show than any attempt to reveal any sort of truth.
		Their report is titled The Roswell Report, Case Closed.
	That's amusing, considering I thought they closed all the cases back in 1969 with Project Blue Book.
	Well, I guess they will keep trying to close the case every time the truth threatens to leak out.
	Seriously, I thought it was an insult.
	An insult to the Roswell Army veterans to insinuate they couldn't remember the difference between events that occurred in 1947 at Roswell and those dummy drops in 1953.
unidentified		Remember, son, go out there and talk about time compression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk about time compression.
		You heard of that, right?
		The accompanying cartoon says it all for me.
		Keep chipping away at the truth art.
		This morning after I got off the air, WTAM, my erstwhile affiliate in Cleveland, covering about, you know, like half the country or something, called me.
		And their morning show was underway at that point.
		And they said they did a little interview with me about the coming news conference on Roswell.
		And the host, Jeff Kinvach, said, we're about to have a daily televote.
		That's what they call it there, a televote, on the subject of alien life forms.
		And we wanted to share with you our results.
		And I said, well, you know, they were just beginning to take it at that point.
		I said, I'll tell you what, I'll bet you anything it comes in in excess of 70% yes.
		So they sent me the results.
		And sure enough, here it is.
		79%, not 70, but 79% say yes, they believe in the existence of alien life forms.
		21% do not.
		And they thank me for being a guest on the program.
		So what are we to conclude here?
		About 8 out of 10, WTAM survey, or the USA Today survey, CNN, USA Today, 8 out of 10, believe there are alien life forms and that the Air Force and or military is lying its ass off.
		And that image was strengthened by this incredible, unbelievable news conference today.
		I mean, it's really a shame that the networks at night did not cover more of that 30 minutes.
		It's a classic 30 minutes.
		Anybody who had a chance to get it on tape, I hope you got it on tape.
		I did.
		I'm thankful I immediately yanked the tab and labeled the VHS tape, and I shall keep it forever whenever I need a good laugh.
unidentified		that poor, poor, Colonel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The End Well, as you may know, I have won an award, and I'm up for another one.
		Isn't that amazing?
		I went to the National Association of Talk Show Hosts and Talkers Magazine Conference in Los Angeles and won the Best Male Talk Show Host for 1997 award.
		It's up on my website if you want to see it.
		Dear Art, here are the top 10 reasons that you have won the best male talk show host for 1997.
		10.
		The Masons picked you.
		9.
		At 52, they weren't sure if you'd be around in 98.
		8.
		Susan Lucci was the only other nomination.
		7.
		A lesser-known talk show host, or even most of them, spends so much time broadsiding you that you've got to be doing something right.
		6.
		A five-hour talk show with no politics, 14 million listeners, that's our guy.
		5.
		Location, location, location.
		4.
		Anyone who says he would sit in a lawn chair in his front yard and do a play-by-play account of a comet that ends the world while sipping iced tea has got to be dedicated to radio.
		That's true.
		They've read your book and figured now or never.
		Reason number two, Chancellor Broadcasting liked their magazine so much they bought the company.
		And the number one reason Art Bell won the award for Best Male Talk Show Radio Host.
		He's the most hyper-dimensional guy we know.
		Jeff and Tri-Cities Break it.
		I really wish I could have permission to replay the whole CNN news conference.
		In fact, if somebody from CNN is out there and wants to give me permission, I'll put it on.
		I'll do that.
		I'll replay it.
		I'm telling you, you would love it.
		The only thing you would miss on the radio is the expression on the Colonel's face.
		It was priceless.
		This one I will remember forever.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		I've got a black magic woman, got a black magic woman.
		I've got a black magic woman, got me so like I can see.
		That she's a black magic woman.
		I've got a black magic woman.
		listening to Arkbell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th 1997 Good morning everybody It was uh it was really something maybe a lot of you did get to see it because you're up here at night It means you're free during the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They ran it at noon time.
unidentified		It was the news conference to end all news conferences And frankly, I feel sorry for that colonel very sorry Anyway, we'll get back to all of that in a moment Now we take you back to the night of June 24th 1997 on Art Bell somewhere in time More
art bell ▲ ● ▼		earthquakes in Washington State Art we had two more earthquakes here in Washington today both registering 4.6 one of them was from a previously unknown fault line We're hoping that doesn't activate the volcanoes in the area.
		I agree, Gary.
		Hope not, too.
		Again, referring to the press conference, Gary in Como Country says, Art, apparently those dummies are now running the Air Force.
		And then this one, Art, I'm not an expert on Roswell, but from what I've read, I just don't recall anyone mentioning ETs with parachutes.
		That's Don in San Leandro country.
		And then this, Colonel Philip Corso interviewed Tuesday at 10 o'clock, Eastern by Dateline.
		Interview was at least respectful.
		And by the way, I'm working on an interview with Colonel Corso.
		It should come because he had an exclusive and couldn't do anything else until the Dateline story aired, so I will try and talk soon with Colonel Corso.
		And I'm also going to be interviewing the author of The Day After Roswell.
		He requests that here.
		That's a scheduled dreamland coming up.
		A gentleman is presently in Germany.
		Called me from Germany the other day.
		And remember our experiment the other night to call down UFOs?
		Well, there were major reports of UFOs, triangular UFOs, over the skies of Nevada today, last night.
		Now, how about that, folks?
		Major sightings.
		And you know what?
		I missed it.
		I didn't see a thing.
		I had to get this from the national press.
		As a matter of fact, they were talking about it during the news conference.
		So, I missed it.
		Then I've got somebody here who saw the same Memorial Day UFO that we did, and I'll read something about that.
		I've got a whole lot of stuff here, really.
		Oh, by the way, the newspaper in Arizona has apologized.
		Somewhere.
		Yeah, here it is.
		The Arizona Republic has apologized for publishing an editorial cartoon that used the image of a rescuer cradling a child killed in the Oklahoma bombing to criticize capital punishment.
		It drew complaints from a national organization of firefighters and mother of the child featured in the photo.
unidentified		Benson's cartoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Benson is not apologizing, but his newspaper is apologizing for him.
		How about that?
		That's from Jackie in Albuquerque.
		So, as I was telling you, I could have had a guest tonight, but I thought, under the circumstances, you would want to talk about the news conference.
		It's going to be some time before I get over that.
		So, we're going to have open lines.
		Open lines.
		And you know, oh, by the way, what was on the front page of my newspaper today?
		A big picture of a train crash in Texas.
		a major transportation accident, exactly as forecast by my time traveler.
		And I'd like to hear from my time traveler.
		You know what I'd really like to do?
		I'd like to get permission to re-air, to re-broadcast that CNN news conference.
		I swear I would.
		All 30 minutes of it.
		Even on radio, it'd be great.
		Now, I know, probably, CNN is listening in, down in Atlanta.
		I wonder if they would let me re-broadcast that.
		I know I've got some friends at CNN.
		So, if they can get a fax to me tonight, letting me re-broadcast that, I will do it somehow.
unidentified		Now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		don't know how I've got it on videotape and if not why I'll call them tomorrow and try to get permission to rebroadcast that I think it is it is the wildest thing that I've seen in years and years and years Time compression, yes, siree, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But General, how do I explain the six years?
unidentified		Have you ever heard time compression, son?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People forget about these things days and times.
unidentified		But six years, Jeff, time compression, son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Arv.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		This is David in Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You know, I was just thinking, who's the guy that you had on who does the speech reversal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David Oates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh, yes, sir.
unidentified		That's something you've got to hit him with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a perfect project for David Oates.
unidentified		Oh, that would be great to hear that background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't happen to get to see the news conference.
unidentified		No, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I've been tied up all day, and I haven't even had a chance to turn the TV on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you missed a gem.
unidentified		That's what it sounds like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Poor Colonel, it was incredible.
unidentified		No.
		But that's the first thing that came to my mind.
		I wonder what would happen if that got played backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll find out.
unidentified		Yeah, it might be something to consider.
unidentified		Can you think you can get him on again anytime soon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David Oates?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I will set him to researching this entire news conference.
		Poor Colonel, his knees, he even said it on the air.
		He said, my knees are shaking.
unidentified		Now, if I'm not mistaken, you were in the Air Force yourself, weren't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was, yes.
unidentified		That's what I thought, and I was laughing out loud earlier when I heard you doing the voice and everything.
unidentified		I said, my God, for an ex Air Force guy, this is that must have really been something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know how it goes.
		I just know how it goes.
		It's the way the Air Force is, you know.
unidentified		Yeah, well, if you can get permission from CNN, that would be great, because I'd miss it, and I would really love to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we'll see what we can do.
		I don't know whether they generally give permission for that sort of thing or not, but I mean, it was covered by the mass media, and I would like permission to rebroadcast CNN's coverage of it.
		God, it was great.
		I mean, like, you guys really deserve to hear it in its entirety.
		I can only wish that I could actually show it to you.
		I wonder if CNN has any plans to rebroadcast that.
		Sometimes they do that late at night.
		I haven't heard about it.
		But this was a classic.
		It was an absolute classic.
		It was like this poor colonel was sent out there to do this absolutely impossible job.
		Impossible.
		And I can only imagine how he felt walking out there knowing what he was about to have to say, knowing the questions that were going to come.
		And even the press, which no doubt was anxious to believe every word they were saying, couldn't swallow it whole at all.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was really something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the or high.
unidentified		Art, I can't believe I got through on the first try.
unidentified		This is Robin from Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm fine.
unidentified		I am sorry to say I did not see that tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most people would not have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was on at noon time.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
		I was at work today.
		But I probably would have parroted what everybody else was faxing into you, how amusing it was.
		But I was watching tonight the movie Michael.
		Have you seen that movie Michael?
		Yes.
		With John Travolta.
		Oh, I just thought you'd like to know they do play It's a Wonderful World, you know, by Louis Armstrong, the Willie Nelson version in that movie, which is, oh, it's wonderful.
		Yeah, and it's a really good movie.
		But, well, this is off the subject.
		But I just thought you might like to know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Robin.
unidentified		Yeah, it's good to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's Raymond from Michigan.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Raymond.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		You know, the shame of it is this fiasco today came out a day late to be included on that list of all-time great sitcoms they just put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		You know, I think it would, if it wasn't so infuriating, it would be hilarious.
		Because, you know, it's always a new reason or a new excuse.
		Now, where was this explanation of bodies in that report in 1994?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Missing?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Missing entirely.
		And what he said is, well, when we were researching the 1994 report, we just then began to get these photographs.
		And that drove us to this final report.
		We weren't ready to publish photographs in 94.
		You certainly would imagine they would have mentioned it.
		Plus, you know, the dummies came down in parachutes.
unidentified		I didn't see it.
unidentified		I saw excerpts of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you really had to see the whole thing because the networks, of course, without mercy, chomped it all up.
unidentified		Well, Art, the shame of it is, is if somebody picks up a newspaper, sees this report without knowing their full history of it, they're going to say, well, that explains it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		You know, and they're going to accept it, and that'll be the end of it, and that's what they're hoping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm afraid it doesn't work.
unidentified		No, it certainly doesn't, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, not even close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not even for the ready to accept and dispense press.
unidentified		You're absolutely right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		I mean, they were ready.
		Yes, sir, researcher.
		The press was ready to jump on this with all of their four feet.
		We're going to take it.
		And here it is, ladies and gentlemen.
		The Roswell explanation.
		But even the press couldn't do it.
		The missing six years.
		Six years?
		Come on, folks.
		The documentation regarding Roswell is extensive for 1947.
		No time compression here.
		Not the 1950s and as late as nearly 1960.
		Oh, come on now.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		I just did that.
		You know, when they expect us to believe that Doug and Dave did the crop circles, there's no reason we would not believe that Vince and Larry was responsible for the Roswell incident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vince and Larry, the crash dummies.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as somebody in fact said, the only dummies around here are the Air Force.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
		When we did our GE2, as I call it, Grand Experiment No.
		2?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Two weeks from that, just the 4th of July weekend, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Okay, I'm familiar in the art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you too.
		But I mean, last night there were sightings of large triangular craft here in Nevada.
		Here in Nevada, and I missed it.
		Probably happened when I was on the air.
		Oh, well, you can't catch them all.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to get into that phone and yell at us like you mean.
unidentified		We're calling from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
unidentified		And hey, you missed it.
unidentified		It said case closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't miss it.
unidentified		And what the worst part about the whole thing was the way the governor handled that Francis situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Francis Barwood and somebody.
unidentified		I mean, Nami Sack.
		I mean, that was so undistinguished.
		This man should not be a governor.
		I mean, who got to him?
		Well, it's a reasonable question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After all, he called a news conference, said he was going to seriously investigate Phoenix sightings, and then came out of court and said it was all a joke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Totally uncharacteristic of Governor Symington.
unidentified		Are you familiar with William Cooper's work, Hold a Pale Horse?
		Yes.
		You know, he claims that they are trying to get us ready to accept the fact that there are aliens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have a lot of problems with Bill Cooper.
unidentified		Oh, do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		You wouldn't recommend him?
unidentified		I was hoping you'd have him on your program someday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he called up and threatened to sue me.
unidentified		Oh, that's unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought so, too.
unidentified		What do you think is going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going on with what?
unidentified		As far as this, now you see it, now you don't, and now they reported that some unidentified flying objects were seen over Las Vegas this last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		So are they tempting people to come into this whole thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here, all right.
		Here, let me make a serious remark about the news conference.
		All right.
		It was actually so bad, so bad, that it is my view that they are actually trying to destroy their own credibility.
		Now, why would they do that?
		I don't know.
		But what other possible conclusion can you come to?
		Those of you who fortunately got to see the news conference are going to be few because it was at noontime.
		Unless you had a VCR set or something.
		Seeing the coverage of the networks was insufficient.
		You had to see the whole thing.
		And it was so bad that one can only conclude it was intentionally bad and there was an agenda, a reason that they made it that bad.
		I just wonder what this poor Colonel did to deserve being the guy who had to go out there.
		As a matter of fact, one of the reporters even commented on that at the beginning and said, Colonel, whatever your name is, you are going to go down now in UFO lore along with a lot of other people as being part of the cover-up.
		And he sort of just shrugged his shoulders as though, yeah, I know.
		They sent me out here.
		I had to do it.
		It was Colonel John Haynes.
		Now, I would like to interview Colonel Haynes.
		I figured I shouldn't interview anybody tonight, and I should leave the lines open because all of you really would want to comment on this.
		I would love to interview Colonel Haynes.
		He'd be fun to interview.
		I doubt he would say anything, but he'd be fun to interview.
		Corso would be fun to interview.
		He is well now into his 80s.
		He's in his 80s, and I would like to interview him.
		He was on Dateline.
		He'd get a better interview here than he got from Dateline, of course.
		And I expect that will be coming up shortly.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		You know, I thought the interview at that thing that they did with Carl Haynes, I noticed he mentioned about the body bags they put the dummies in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I was wondering why would they need body bags for dummies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what he said was so that they would remain in their original dilapidated condition.
unidentified		Yeah, I remember that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing would affect them, wouldn't want to throw them back of a truck or something.
		And he said, yeah, you know, I can understand how people would believe ambulances all over the place, guys in helmets, people crawling and looking for parts of kites and all the rest of it.
		But the big problem was that that was in 1953, beginning in 1953 through 59.
		I mean, now that's nowhere near 1947.
		Nowhere near it.
unidentified		Yeah, for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How'd you like to be given that job?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, go out and talk to the national press and show them all this stuff that accounts for Roswell, case closed, but misses the target by six years.
unidentified		Yeah, that was just plain out ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Plain out ridiculous.
		So much so that you've got to wonder about an agenda.
		Now, about 10 minutes before airtime, I got a call from Richard Hoagland.
		Actually, Richard and I talked earlier in the day as well.
		But Richard tells me, and he does not yet know what it means, but with regard to the Pathfinder mission, they have delayed a burn by one day.
		Some sort of a burn.
		And now, what will that mean in terms of when Pathfinder arrives?
		We don't yet know.
		Is a valve going to get stuck open?
		We don't know.
		But it is getting very interesting, isn't it?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, good morning.
		This is Paul.
		I'm calling from Jupiter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jupiter, what?
unidentified		Jupiter, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jupiter, Florida, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the way it goes on my program, you could have meant the planet.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Now, I have to apologize.
		I'm not getting a show because I can't hear it till it starts.
		They're holding an hour back now, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hopefully they'll begin to carry the first hour.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
unidentified		I'm hoping that you're talking about what went on with the officer said today, the naval officer, the commanding officer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he was Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean Colonel Haynes?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I watched the whole news conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a joke.
unidentified		Yeah, it was a joke.
		Is that what you're talking about?
		I don't want to ruin the show or the leave of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're ruining the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
unidentified		I am ruining the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're ruining the show.
unidentified		Oh, I'm very sorry, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're not ruining the show.
		That is what we're talking about.
		Can't you hear me?
unidentified		Okay, all right.
unidentified		Now, what I wanted to say, I saw, did you watch Dateline?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Colonel Coruso.
unidentified		Yeah, okay, now they showed that the night that these things were, they say they're supposedly balloons.
		Right?
		Now, when they said it was going, they said it was very stormy that night.
		It was lightning like crazy.
		I remember Ben Franklin days when he flipped that kite up.
		People were getting electrocuted.
		Now, these balloons are 100, 150 feet before they even leave the ground with lightning striking, right?
		Now, I don't know if the Army would do something that stupid.
		Do you understand what I'm saying?
		Why would they send balloons up in such weather?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, number one, sir, it was the Air Force, not the Army.
unidentified		Well, the Air Force.
		I'm just excited.
		You know what I'm saying?
		That I even got through.
		I've been calling for months and months, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, why they would do the whole thing, thank you, that was so dumb.
		I can't possibly answer it for you.
		But I can tell you that it was one of the funniest things I ever saw.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think we're talking about?
		We're talking about the Air Force's news conference, poor Colonel Haynes sent out to do the impossible mission, and Roswell in general.
		As you might imagine, I had a guest scheduled, but it would have been a disservice to have her on when so many of you out there would want to talk about the weirdness of the day.
		And man, it was weird.
		anybody out there see the news conference Anybody listening at CNN, I want permission to replay the entire news conference on the air.
		I think the audience has a right to hear it.
		It occurred midday.
		And I think either CNN should reschedule that news conference for tonight.
		As a matter of fact, you know what?
		I should monitor CNN just in case they do exactly that.
		And it is possible that they will.
		So I'm going to do exactly that.
		I'm going to monitor CNN.
		See what it is that they're doing.
unidentified		Maybe they will choose to replay it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, coming up in a moment, it's going to be mainly open lines, but I've got Richard Hoagland on the line.
		He saw the news conference.
		He's got some news on Pathfinder.
		And there's a lot of interesting stuff going on down there in Phoenix.
unidentified		so we'll get an update in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here for one of the very last times, I suspect, from near New York City is Richard C. Hoagland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Richard.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, happy anniversary.
		It's so nice to see that the federal government has a sense of humor.
		You know, I was really kind of getting depressed and thinking that maybe everybody was a stuffed shirt and uptight, but today has restored my faith in the humanity of the Pentagon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was amazing.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It was wondrous.
		And if it weren't so funny, it would be tragic.
		Because to sit and see some of my former colleagues goofoying and yucking it up and treating this whole thing like an incredible joke when underneath there is an extremely serious set of questions here is pretty appalling.
		And I was very intrigued with your comment made a few minutes ago when you were serious yourself as to a potential agenda.
		I think you have hit it right on the head.
		I think today's hijinks were so outrageous and so over the top that they were designed To make any serious American stop and think and realize, of course, there's a cover-up.
		Not even the government can be this stupid and idiotic and insane as to think that we're going to buy this one.
		So, if that's the agenda, if we're supposed to think they're covering up without the mea culpa, without the, we give up, we did it, then why now, on the anniversary of Roswell coming up at Warp 9, does the Pentagon do in essence its own mea culpa in its own weird way?
		Answer, we're supposed to get it that Roswell was real.
		And it doesn't really matter in terms of what's coming up, this is my analysis now, as to whether we like them or respect them or care a damn bit about what they look like in their blue suits.
		The fact is that when the proverbial you know what, hits the proverbial spinning rotary implement, we're going to run to them to save us.
		And that may be part of this agenda.
		Because you see, if Phoenix means something, if whatever happened in March, in fact, is part of someone's plan, then this is preparation.
		This is an exquisite psyops team effort.
		On the one hand, you have, you know, Mr. Fauntleroy there in his blues this afternoon, who I would not have traded all the tea in China to have been in his shoes.
		You couldn't have paid me enough to stand up there and look like a fool in front of the press.
		And in fact, when he made the comment, Art, about his knees were shaking, I think it was a wink between the lines.
		I think he was telling all those folks, and they got it, that this whole thing is a charade.
		Because why would he be nervous?
		There's nothing to be nervous about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course there is.
		To go out and try to tell a pack like that that this story about time compression, that was my favorite, time compression.
		That's about time compression.
unidentified		And, you know, how in the world?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Who is that general in No Time for Sergeants?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Your mythical general sounds like one of those guys.
unidentified		Yeah.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But the other side of this is that if we are being conditioned, if we are being prepared for events to come, I'm not talking about real E.T. events.
		I'm talking about something that somebody in the black ops section is making up, is planning, then what we're seeing on the one hand with this absurdity fits.
		And then on the other hand, we have Philip Corso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're saying it was so absurd, basically, that we are intended then to, of course, believe that it is real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The real intention, their Psyops intention, is for us to believe that it was real.
unidentified		Precisely.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because remember, government doesn't care what you think about them as long as they control your thinking.
		This is not a matter of respect or credibility.
		It's a matter of discredibility.
		And that's the weird reverse logic of this almost surreal situation.
		They've now gone so far down the road of cover-up through so many witnesses and so much evidence on the table.
		It's like that canard from my late friend Carl Sagan where he used to talk about extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
		Well, the problem with that is that you can always move the goalposts.
		The opposition can always say, oh, sir and sir, the evidence is not extraordinary enough.
		When I watched Hockenberry interviewing Corso, I mean, here is a man with an impeccable military career who controlled a division of nuclear weapons in Germany, was on the general command staff, access to the White House, above top secret clearance.
		This is not a fool.
		Yet John Hockenberry, who was a serious journalist, was treating this man like he was a total idiot and a flake.
		And he's telling him very serious things.
		Now, two questions that a serious journalist should have asked.
		One is, why is this man telling me this?
		And if it's not the truth, then why is he telling me a lie so outrageous that he wants me to believe it's the truth or part of the truth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I need to interview Colonel Corsos to hear what he really has to say.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Do you know when that is going to take place?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
		I know that Dateline had an exclusive and the Colonel couldn't talk until the Dateline piece aired.
		I've got several lines of contact to the Colonel now, so it'll happen soon.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Because in the interview on Dateline, he made some statements that were so interesting in their substance.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And I don't want to prejudice the audience and the interview and all that, so I'm going to hold my comments based on what I know you can do if you get him in the chair for an hour or two.
unidentified		Exactly.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But I think that there's something remarkably interesting about Courso's whole story.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Now, what you need to do is you need to stand back and put on the left hand this charade today, and on the right hand, Courso's statement, complete with forward by Strom Thurmond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And ask yourself, what is the overall gestalt?
		The gestalt is the buffoons are making such an idiot of themselves that any reasonable person has to say, wait a minute, there actually is some smoke here.
		They're actually being so absurd because they are covering up something.
		So the bottom line is that we tend to believe more tonight that Roswell, in fact, did occur than we did not, even though they have not admitted anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's turn to Phoenix.
		There's a whole bunch of luminaries in Phoenix right now, aren't there?
		Who's in Phoenix?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You know, it reads almost like a who's who.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		We have had in the last two weeks documented sightings of Colin Powell five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five times.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		General Schwarzkopf, four or five times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Four or five times.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		George Bush, former President of the United States, head of the CIA, three or four times.
		Dan Quayle at least five times.
		Now, when I talked with Frances Barwood this afternoon, and that's the level of our source, she said, well, do you know who else is in town and has been here for two days?
		And I said, no.
		She said, Hillary.
		I said, Hillary, who?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hillary.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Hillary, Hillary.
		Oh, that Hillary.
		The First Lady of the United States is in Phoenix tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's she doing in Phoenix?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		This is a good question.
		A lot of attention is being paid to Phoenix.
		And as you know, I think Phoenix is very centrally involved in the NASA, Sidonia, et cetera, story.
		We are in the process of deep negotiations.
		There's a possibility rising to the level of a, well, we'll just say a possibility, that we're going to bring an enterprise seminar to downtown Phoenix sometime in early or mid-July to lay out research that we're conducting into the genesis,
		the origin of Phoenix, the founding of the city of Phoenix, and some potential reasons for why there is this apparent intense interest by a lot of very high-level people in this little town in the American Southwest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 2 million in the area, at least.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the seventh largest, by the way, in the United States.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But it's not L.A., it's not New York, and I'm just, you know, speaking from New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but it's not Perup either.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Phoenix has something very special about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going way back when, Phoenix is a sort of federal area, isn't it?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		We have discovered the definition of this patent.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Remember, I just spoke the other night about the patent of application that Lord Dupa, Darrell Dupa, who was the British aristocrat who helped found and name Phoenix, got from then President of the United States Ulysses S. Grant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have been given access through a member of Grant's family who called in, per my request on your show, to documents and papers and letters and other things.
		And it's becoming really interesting, extraordinarily interesting, in terms of the conditions around this grant from the President by executive order of a patent.
		A patent turns out to be the ultimate of land titles.
		It supersedes a normal color of title or a quit claim or a deed of ownership.
		A patent is the highest testimony in law, it turns out, to ownership of land that can exist anywhere in the world.
		It is the equivalent of a contract between sovereigns, meaning lords, kings, queens, presidents, whatever.
		And what it's beginning to look like, and we're doing our homework, and I don't want to be preemptive here, but it looks like that Ulysses Grant, in essence, conferred upon Phoenix the equivalency of a country within the United States of America, something equivalent to the District of Columbia, which of course and is the nation's capital.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		120 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
		But by the time we may do this thing in Phoenix, which again is under intense discussion now, and in the next day or two we'll have a final resolution, we will get those answers and we're going to hopefully be able to lay them out for your audience and for the people of Phoenix.
		And by that time, maybe whatever is agonizingly ticking away with Mars Pathfinder will have matriculated to the next level and we'll all know more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Pathfinder, want to cover that before we go here.
		You called me up and said there was something about a delay in a burn, a one-day delay or something they were going to do?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They are slightly off course.
		And we announced this when we did the show last week.
		We said that there was going to be a burn, an adjustment with the onboard rockets of a few feet per second to trim up the course on June 24th.
		That was the plan all along.
		For reasons that are not yet clear, they have delayed that by 24 hours.
		Now, that's a change.
		It isn't the radical change we were discussing, but it's a change.
		Now, from here, two things can happen.
		One is communication sometime between tonight and tomorrow morning at 8.30 Pacific Standard, or Pacific Daylight Time, will be lost per our original scenario.
		Or the burn will go off as scheduled at about 8, I'm sorry, 10 o'clock, which would be what?
		10 o'clock Pacific Daylight Time is when the burn is supposed to take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the morning?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		In the morning Pacific time.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And something will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'll burn and burn and burn and burn.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, a valve.
		You put it very appropriately.
		A valve could get stuck.
		So if it's not nominal, meaning it's not normal, and it burns for, let's say, 10 seconds instead of a tenth of a second, they'll be in deep trouble.
		And there'll be a sudden, agonizing reappraisal and lots of tracking and lots of calculations, and they will have to defer the July 4th landing date.
		So whatever happens tomorrow, it's a go-no-go on the scenario we outlined a few days ago on your show.
		Stay tuned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay tuned.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And I feel like a guy in the waiting room waiting to have my first baby with a cigar that I can't light yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what happens when you have your neck out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like being the colonel had to go out yesterday and talk to everybody.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But my knees are not shaking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, Richard.
		I wish you well.
		We will be talking to you, of course, in the next few days, and I certainly appreciate the update.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Good night, Richard.
		That's Richard C. Hoagland, folks, in New York, and he's not going to be there very much longer.
		He'll be moving to the great American Southwest, joining us out here.
		Here's yet another comment, folks, on the press conference yesterday.
		Art, it might be that the saucer in Roswell hit a government balloon and the dummy stuck to the airfoil, causing the saucer to crash.
		It's from John in Cape Main, New Jersey.
		Let's go over that again.
		It might be that the saucer in Roswell hit a government balloon and the dummy stuck to the airfoil, causing the saucer to crash.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		John in Foley, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, John.
unidentified		I've got something I'd like for you to Relay to Richard Hoagland.
		Well, he's listening, so go ahead.
		About three questions.
		Number one, he said that there were only two places in the United States that had references to Egypt in their name.
		Well, how about Cairo, Illinois?
		Besides Memphis, Tennessee.
		Well, that area is in southern Illinois was also Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, he mentioned Memphis.
unidentified		Yes, he mentioned Memphis, but Cairo, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure that everything that shares a common name like Cairo has necessarily got an actual connection.
unidentified		No.
		So, anyway, next second question.
		Do the Masons run any colleges or universities?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of them.
unidentified		I'm sure they don't run nothing.
unidentified		No, I mean, I'm sure they don't run the Catholic universities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, they run those too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next question.
unidentified		But I was going to say, how strong would you say the lodges are at West Point and Annapolis?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Strong.
		Next question?
		Or is that it?
unidentified		Well, that's just about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		All right.
		Well, you know that I cannot comment on things Masonic.
		On things Masonic, think of me as Colonel Haynes.
		All right?
		Being asked about Area 51.
		Doesn't exist.
		Don't know anything about it.
		It's classified.
		Can't talk about it.
unidentified		Got to refer you to the PR people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'll tell you about Area 51.
		That was funny.
		When they couldn't get anything out of him on Roswell, they turned to Area 51, and he wouldn't say a word.
		All right, we're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
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		Coast to Coast AM from June
		24, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an oncour presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got kind of a big piece of information for you.
		You're in the New York City area.
		I wasn't going to say anything about this, but what the hell?
		Last Saturday night, WABC in New York ran a five-hour program of ours, and they're going to do it again this Saturday night.
		Saturday night, Sunday morning, WABC, New York.
		Remember WABC?
		I sure do from my younger days.
		No matter where you were in the Northeast, you couldn't miss WABC.
		Remember them?
		77 WABC?
		I can't do that, but that was their old logo.
		The sister station, of course, to our affiliate in Los Angeles, KBC.
		Anyway, we were on WABC last Saturday night.
		I've been holding on to this information.
		We're going to be on again this Saturday night.
		So if you're in the New York City area, check our act out at midnight.
		WABC, New York.
		We'll get back to this discussion of the Air Force News Conference, which was most incredible.
		And whatever else you want to talk about, it's going to be open minds all night long.
		I did have a guest scheduled.
		Richard was here for about a half hour just updating us on a few things.
		We'll be doing another show with him soon.
		So it's going to be open minds.
		I mean, whatever you want to talk about is fair game, and I suspect a lot of you want to comment on the news conference.
		Listen, there is a way for you with computers, of course, to see it.
		My understanding is, let's see, Charles Listening in Anchorage says, Art Good Show CNN has a streaming video of the conference on its website.
		It's 21 minutes, 30 seconds long.
		It requires a plug-in for your browser to see this is new stuff, you know, streaming video.
		Could this be a distraction from the Mars Pathfinder problems?
		Anyway, you can, I've got an address here where you can see the streaming video of this news conference.
		And I, again, seek the permission of CNN, if you're listening out there in Atlanta, to rerun in its entirety the audio portion of the news conference that CNN broadcasts.
		I will seek their official permission to do that tomorrow.
		They probably won't give it to me.
		But I would really, I mean, the audience, if you're listening there at CNN, my audience, the audience, really ought to have a chance to see it now.
		I am monitoring CNN right now.
		And there's always a chance, you know, they'll run it late or something, but it was hilarious.
		That's the only word for it.
		Hilarious.
		and if you weren't laughing you'd be crying anyway we'll get back to uh...
		I'll get back to your calls here in a second.
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		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's yet another one from Ron.
		Ron says, I only had a chance to catch a small part of the press conference, but what I did catch blew me away.
		In particular, I heard a high-ranking Air Force officer, that would be our colonel, trying to explain how people became confused about the facts.
		What he did, however, is instead reveal the truth.
		He did this through a complete accident.
		I heard him trying to explain their conclusions, but in doing so, he said, and I quote, if you take that and spin it, he's right, he did say that, if you take all that, you know, the balloon trains and the dummies they talked about, and you take that and you spin it, why, it explains everything.
		No doubt a Freudian slip that revealed his true mission and objectives.
		Personally, I do not believe for certain it was a UFO crash with dead or alive aliens, but after witnessing the circus-like atmosphere of the Air Force news conference effort, I'm left with no choice but to believe there is a wholesale cover-up in progress.
		What I don't understand is why.
		Why bother?
		Why now?
		Why risk it?
		Does the Air Force really believe they have any real measure of credibility with the American people?
		If they did have any, as of yesterday, what they did today created some serious damage to their credibility.
		All the best.
		Ron, and he gives his last name as well.
		And then this art, please tell the story of the guy on the plane with a gun.
		Congratulations on the award.
		73s.
		Must be a ham.
		Aloha.
		Must be in Hawaii.
		Well, I really didn't get to tell that story, did I?
		We went to the big conference in Los Angeles, the conference of Narutash, National Association of Radio Talk Show Hosts, and Talkers Magazine, and we had to go to LA, so we flew.
		It's a one-hour flight.
		You know, you get up, they give you a quick beverage, and by the time you're about halfway through it, you're descending.
		Very fast flight from McCarran down to LAX.
		Anyway, on the way home, about 8 o'clock or so at night, a little before 8, we went to gate number 1, which is generally the gate to fly back to Las Vegas from L.A. And here comes a couple of cops, and they go running in, you know, past the gate into where the airplane is that we're about to get on.
		Pretty soon, here come three more cops.
		I mean, just at a flat run.
		By the time it was over, there were 11 cops on that airplane.
		Well, time passes.
		We all wonder what's going on.
		Here comes this guy, bound in handcuffs, being carried, escorted off the airplane.
		And a stewardess told us that it was a guy with a gun.
		Now, my understanding is that the guy with the gun actually, have you ever seen those cigarette lighters?
		They looked exactly like guns, except when you pull the trigger, they light a cigarette, right?
		Well, he must have had one of those in a suitcase or something.
		And they scanned it, and they found it, but they didn't stop him there.
		Somehow he got on the aircraft.
		So everybody freaked out, including me, because I thought, great, we were about to get on an airplane that was probably about to be hijacked.
		So we got off the ground a little late, needless to say.
		And it was kind of an interesting experience, and that is the story.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Hello?
		Going once, going twice.
		Are you there?
unidentified		Yeah.
		My dad's right here.
		He wanted to hold the line, and he got to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		This is John of Penaluma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Chris, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chris seemed very surprised to be somebody on the airport.
unidentified		We were listening to the story about the airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		First of all, congratulations on that award.
		I listen to you a lot.
		I'm a security guard, so I'm up at night.
		So when I'm walking around, I've got the Walkman on listening to you all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Helps pass the time.
		But you know what I always wondered?
		If you're a security guard and you've got a Walkman on, you're listening to my top show and some guy sneaking up on you, you're dead meat.
unidentified		Well, it'd be worth it.
		I sent you some email.
		I'm not sure if you got it because I tried like four times on the weekend that you were gone, and it kept saying that your mailbox was full.
		But it was a friend of mine up here at the Sonoma County Airport, it's an air museum, nonprofit air museum.
		And one of the members had the honor of being at the Pearl Harbor anniversary.
		And he got to take his seaplane on the Carl Vincent aircraft carrier over to Pearl.
		And then they took off from the carrier, him and along with some other military planes, and landed there, and then they brought him back.
		And on the way over there, you advertised Magellan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And that's why I wanted to tell you this, because the skipper was showing them all over the ship.
		First thing he showed him was the computer that shows where they are, you know, and it's pinpoints, everything else, and then the next one down and back up and then the next one down.
		He says if those two, if we really want to know what's going on, we go to this screen.
		He turns it on and CNN.
		And then the navigator was explaining that three of them go out weather permitting and get star fixes each night like they used to with the sectet and everything.
		And they're explaining everything about how they navigate.
		He says, but actually, how we really know where we are?
		And he opens a drawer, and in the drawer is a Magellan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, that's correct.
		I mean, there really is nothing that is going to be at sea or in the air, wherever you happen to be.
		The Magellan is going to tell you exactly where you are.
unidentified		Right.
		And, you know, I just thought it was so neat.
		Here we are, top-of-the-line aircraft carrier of the United States.
		We get a Magellan in the drawer so they know where they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's good backup.
		You use all your training and you use everything they've taught you to determine position.
		But just to be sure you pull out the Magellan, it tells you the truth.
		It's like taking a calculator to school, you know?
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Have a good answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, thank you very much.
		That's right.
		Magellan is so neat.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, all right.
		You know, after Richard was on the program.
		Oh, by the way, this is Vince from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Vince.
unidentified		After Richard was on the program Monday and talking about Phoenix and some of the wild rumors that are going around Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		i was uh...
		searching the ship of shortwave radio nothing if i could hear anything and that related subject and i heard quite a few unbelievable things middle east terrorists might be planning to release uh...
		uh...
		anthrax And also I heard Stan Deo's name mentioned in some context of some sort of events.
		I don't know if you've been in contact with Stan Deo from Australia recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had Stan on the show about two weeks ago.
unidentified		yeah i could i can't remember exactly what how did they mention it in the uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		conversation you know another thing i'd like to I mean, he referred to these incredible images of heating in the Pacific.
		And within three days, the newspapers began breaking stories about this incredible El Niño growing in the Pacific.
		So Stan hit it dead on.
unidentified		Right, I heard that program.
unidentified		You know, another thing, you know, this is really getting weird, this whole Egypt thing with the pyramids and the tetrahedrons and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually have no idea how weird it really is, and I can't say.
unidentified		You know, Art, it's so weird.
		I'm going to take a shot in the dark here.
		I just had something fly by my desk here from George Gilder.
		I don't know if you ever heard of that guy, George Gilder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never heard of him.
unidentified		He's a real big technology expert, and he's predicting that a privately held company by the name of Tut Systems, Tut, T-U-T, like King Tut, he's predicting that this company is going to be like one of the big, big winners in this internet bandwidth race.
unidentified		On the Internet, the big logjam is the bandwidth, all the spectrums of communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And he's predicting that their technology called IDSL technology is going to be the big winner over the major telephone companies in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It came from the Hall of Records.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I'm just taking a shot in the dark.
		Maybe Richard Hogan wants to do some looking into touch systems and see if it has anything to do with this.
		or the internet and the whole Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is not, though, thank you, what Richard has to offer.
		What Richard has to offer on Egypt is scary.
		Really scary.
		Scary because I'm going to Egypt.
		And I bet after we do that show, if we do it, I'm not going to be able to go to Giza.
		I know it.
		I just know it.
		I will not be welcome, nor will Richard, not that he has plans to go, as far as I know, in Egypt.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Bakersfield?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bakersfield, Kern Country.
unidentified		I've seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Well, I've got a question for you.
unidentified		We ordered that remote viewing from Ed Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And this was back in February, and I can't get a hold of these people at all.
unidentified		And I was wondering if you could help me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Their website is down, but will be back up on Monday.
unidentified		Okay.
		Do you have an 800 number for them also?
		Monday?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		Okay, so just keep trying back on Monday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Monday, their website will be up.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, that's about it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hello.
unidentified		So I want to talk about your second UFO sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Minnesota.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		You said it was round and shiny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A disk.
unidentified		A disk.
unidentified		Completely round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Completely round.
unidentified		I think it would have been the planet Venus?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not a chance.
unidentified		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, this was 11.40 in the morning.
		And the planet Venus rarely takes off south at a speed that I could estimate to be in the tens of thousands of miles per hour.
		I've never seen Venus do that, have you?
unidentified		No, but I know that sometimes when it's bright, really bright, it'll shine even in the daytime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it can.
		But it doesn't do what I just described.
		It doesn't follow an airplane, a military jet, and then stop dead and then take off south and up.
unidentified		Well, I've heard the airports explain some sightings as uh Venus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was not Venus.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		Thank you.
		See you later.
		Uh, as a matter of fact, here, let me read you this.
		Hello, Art.
		Perhaps we saw the same object on Memorial Day that you did.
		My husband and I stopped in Mesquite on our way back from a camping trip.
		There was a hot rod show, and we stopped there.
		A group of people were pointing skyward, so we looked.
		We saw two contrails, the same ones you described.
		Then we spotted the white glowing round orb.
		It seemed to be very high, higher even than the airliner.
		It was not an airliner, by the way, I could resolve it was a military jet.
		It remained stationary for the time we watched, two or three minutes.
		Then we continued on to Las Vegas.
		That was the night I was startled to hear you describe what you and your wife had seen.
		The time we saw it was after lunch.
		About 2 p.m., perhaps.
		But I don't look at my watch much on holidays.
		Now it's a little scary to look up at the sky, half expecting to see it again, half in fear of it.
		But we will keep looking.
		Thanks for your show and all your varied guests.
		Brian.
		It appeared P.S., she says, to have been directly above us in mesquite.
		So that sounds like she saw exactly what we saw.
		A first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, I heard it's Phil from Auburn Hills, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I got a couple questions for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a first-time caller?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My first question is, did Major Dames skip town with our money or what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked to Major Dames yesterday.
unidentified		Oh, he said the tapes were going to come out May 1st, and then he came back and said June 1st, and it's been a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they got delayed, but they're coming.
unidentified		Okay, and another question.
		When are you going to be on a real channel in Michigan?
		We can't hear you anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're, of course, on WCHR in near Detroit.
		And they're going to be increasing power radically shortly.
		And then we're in discussions, which I can't talk about, with another big station up there.
unidentified		Well, that'll be good.
unidentified		We're getting you out of Chicago and Rochester, New York, and all kinds of places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hither and yon.
		It's really fuzzy, so.
		Uh-huh.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call and take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello, Lark.
		Hi.
unidentified		How are you, my good man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		This is Dennis checking in from the low desert of Yuma, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Last night, we had a Minuteman 2 missile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Launched from Vandenberg.
unidentified		From Vandenberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just about everybody saw it.
unidentified		And exploded over the city of Yuma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it didn't explode, actually.
unidentified		Well, we were, uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, it was launched around 8-something at night.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so the sun did a job on the contrail.
		And it was a curly cue.
		It was really incredible.
unidentified		It was.
unidentified		We saw the entire spectacle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it was, my friend, but it did not, as far as I know, explode.
		It did what it was supposed to do.
		On the way, it simply gave us all, as part of the West, quite a show.
		But it was indeed a launch from Vandenberg.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM I don't think that's clear what's going on.
		I don't even ask you.
		I see the stars in the mirror while I'll be far away Don't say that you love me Watching every motion in my foolish love again On
		this air and ocean find a love of no change Running every time in truth will seem to stay beside
		Watching every motion that you turn around to say Take my breath away Take my breath away Take my breath away Take my breath away
		You're listening to Arkbell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The centerpiece of discussion this morning is the Air Force's news conference held at about noon yesterday.
		A Pentagon backdrop, a weak-kneed colonel who came out, his own admission, his knees were shaking, Colonel John Aines, and he proceeded to try to, well, he held up this book saying Roswell, case closed.
		Then they showed film from the 1950s and up to 1960 folks trying to explain away an incident in 1947.
		Well, the American press out front in large numbers, ready as they were to buy this whole story, were forced to ask questions like, excuse me, Colonel, how can you account for the six-year difference between 1947 and the film you're showing us of the balloons and the crash dummies?
		And this poor Colonel had to sit up there and say, well, it's time compression.
		Time compression.
		People forget dates and times and things like that.
		It was arguably the worst yet.
		It was a joke.
		It was funny.
		And, I mean, it was actually a riot.
		But it was sad at the same time.
		I felt sad for this colonel, who was no doubt sent out there from some cigar chompin' general, who said, son, you've had a good military career.
		Now we're going to send you out there to do your big job.
		It's one you've been trained for all your life, so go out and tell the press that here's what happened.
		Then, you know, he's got to say, well, what about the six years, General?
		How am I going to explain that?
		Well, son, you talk about time compression.
		Haven't you ever heard time compression?
		You know, it's when times, dates, things like that get confused.
		But, General, six years?
		Well, there's a lot of compression here, son.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha.
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Couple of items.
		The Arizona Republic has apologized for the Benson cartoon.
		The newspaper apologized.
		Benson didn't.
		He said something about, well, he regrets if there was any pain inflicted on the mother of the dead child.
		That's as far as he would go.
		Newspaper, however, apologized.
		Said they should have reviewed it more carefully before going to publication with it.
		Here's another newspaper article, this one from the Las Vegas Review Journal, entitled Millennium Sparks Time Capsule Frenzy.
		It's a dateline Atlanta by the AP.
		As the millennium approaches, people everywhere are burying time capsules like squirrels trying to preserve snapshots of the 20th century for future generations.
		Beanie babies.
		A pair of Air Jordans.
		A newspaper headline on the Oklahoma City bombing trial.
		Seal them in a metal container and you have instant archaeology.
		That is, if future historians, eager for a peek at the past, can even find the estimated get this, folks, 10,000 time capsules out there somewhere, filled with everything from Elvis memorabilia to buns of steel workout videos.
		We should create a time capsule.
		And one of the things in it, I think, should be this CNN, the CNN coverage of the Air Force's press conference yesterday.
		That should definitely go in a press cap.
		Time capsule.
		Press capsule.
		Oh, boy.
		Did you see the dummies?
		Somebody else sent me a really funny fact about the dummies sticking to the UFO and causing it to crash.
		I'll have to dig that one out for you.
		So anyway, it's open lines, folks.
		Anything you want to talk about.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is John from California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm a new listener to you.
unidentified		I had a theory on the ulterior motive of the Air Force or what they brought out today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think their ulterior motive was to have us believe that Roswell was real.
unidentified		I don't.
unidentified		They wouldn't give up that easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what do you think?
unidentified		I believe that there's two conclusions you can come to.
		The government is not that dumb to make this big a mistake.
		I don't believe they are because they've kept so many good secrets.
		And what doesn't make sense to me is we found out about the U-2 spy plane and the stealth fighter and the stealth bomber about approximately 20 years after they were developed, approximately, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They keep secrets all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what that colonel was talking about.
unidentified		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the development of the atom bomb to the feeding of plutonium to pregnant women and children, all the rest of it, they've kept all kinds of secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I, you know, they're crazy.
unidentified		I believe those planes were more relevant than a dummy and a hot air balloon or whatever, a weather balloon, right?
		I believe they're more relevant.
		So I know something is not right about that.
		I believe that they are trying to cover up the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is.
unidentified		I believe the truth is it was a crashed UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I just said, Sarah.
		In other words, their press conference was so without redeeming value and was such an obvious farce that you can only conclude that they want us to believe, as Richard said, and as I believe, that Roswell was real.
		What other conclusions could you possibly come to after seeing this ridiculous display?
		I mean, they would have been much better off to have kept their mouths shut.
		But instead, they've had the exact opposite effect they wanted to have.
		Poor Colonel Haynes, I just, I keep imagining the meeting where Colonel Haynes was to be sent out to the press and eaten alive.
		I mean, how would you like to be the guy going out to try to explain to the press that here is the final case-closed Roswell report with video snapshots of something that occurred at the very earliest in 1952, not 1947, but 1952.
		Well, Colonel, how do you account for the difference?
		Time compression, he said.
		People forget dates and stuff, he said.
		I mean, that can't be serious.
		But they were.
		I mean, all this was done with the backdrop of the Pentagon seal and everything.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing?
		This is Eric from San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speak up good and loud for us.
unidentified		Yes, Art.
		What I can't understand is why in the heck don't they just produce the actual documents and videos related to that night of the Roswell crash?
		I mean, they showed hundreds of minutes of, or they have hundreds of minutes of footage from other balloon tests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the way I recall it, when Representative Schiff requested the records from 1947, they were all lost or destroyed.
unidentified		Okay, so if that's the case, then, I mean, aren't these guys claiming that they actually have those records and they've reviewed them and decided that there's nothing there?
		I mean, Colonel Richard Weaver, the guy that did the first report, claims that he had permission from the Secretary of the Air Force to go and read all the documents.
		You know, he had basically open permission to go and read anything he could get his hands on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, but I repeat, most of the documents that were relevant to 1947 are missing.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But the point I'm trying to make is if they're missing, how could they possibly say that the case was closed when they can't even produce the documents of the case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, they can say anything they want.
unidentified		I know, it's just ridiculous.
		I mean, I'm so frustrated.
		To tell you the truth, yesterday I thought there was no way they could be covering anything up.
		And then this press conference comes up, and I read about it on the Internet, and I just can't believe they're saying this.
		I'm a skeptic, and now I'm almost absolutely convinced that something happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like that's what they intended to occur, to create more people who believe that something occurred because their explanation was so asinine.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I graduated from MIT.
		I have a master's degree in nuclear engineering.
		I thought for sure all these rumors were just people just going on about and now I swear to God I'm convinced that something's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are proof then of my theory about why they held the news conference.
		That's absolute proof right there.
		See, there's somebody who doubted.
		But after the news conference, he now believes.
		And so you've got to imagine, folks, those of you who have been following this for a long time, that what they did was so lame, so lame, that it was actually intended to create more believers.
		Now, why would they want to create more believers?
		Let's think about that.
unidentified		why would they want to create more believers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well Huh.
		That just might be.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		No longer in Tennessee.
unidentified		I'm in WMSD country, Wilmington, North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wilmington, North Carolina.
unidentified		Yeah, home on the funky water.
		I'm not entangled with this stuff yet, but honestly, I've only been to the coast maybe twice in the three weeks I've been here.
		I'm kind of afraid to go near the water.
		Uh-huh.
		Yeah.
		Ah, man, I really hate.
		I missed that CNN press conference today.
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I am seeking, Hear Me Atlanta.
		Hear me Atlanta.
unidentified		Yes, please do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want permission from Atlanta, CNN, to replay the news conference.
		And people need to understand, you can't just do it.
		I mean, you've got to have permission to rebroadcast anything.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got the copyright on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I am officially asking CNN to fax me and give me permission or to talk to me.
unidentified		I second that emotion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my fax number.
		Hey, CNN, are you listening?
		My fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
		And I will call then when I get the fax and confirm that, in fact, they have sent it.
unidentified		I hope they do send it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, too.
unidentified		I'm one of those many, many minions who called the, was it Arizona Republic?
		yes i did call them and and what my opinion on the uh...
		Yes, it did.
		And I was so glad to hear that at least the paper apologized.
		I think that Benson himself really should be the one to do it.
		But at least, you know, something happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I mean, the newspaper, and I'm sure it did not please Benson for his home newspaper to issue an apology for something he did.
		So I thought it was appropriate.
unidentified		I did, too, and I'm glad they did that.
		And I said, my heart has really gone out to the families of the baby and the fireman for both using that so-called cartoon.
		Don't you know that just had to hurt them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did.
unidentified		Yeah, so I'm glad that all these phone calls did get some kind of response out of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen, we may be constructing a time capsule here.
		You know, we're getting toward the end of the millennium, and so we need a time capsule.
		What would you think we could put in our time capsule that would be representative of these last few years, say?
unidentified		Oh, gosh.
		There's so many things.
		I heard you talking about that, and I really hadn't thought about what would be great to put in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something that is really 90s, you know.
unidentified		Really 90s?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really 90s, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the time we're in now.
unidentified		Well, like you said, that press conference from what you said would have been a great one.
unidentified		Gee, I really haven't had time to really think about it, so I really can't answer that, I'm afraid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'll give you...
unidentified		Yeah, well, I'll have to think about it and give you a call some other night if I can come up with something really great to put in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Maybe we'll make one.
		Maybe we'll make one.
		Our own relevant time capsule.
		A lot of people have them out there, but maybe with a little pull, you know, we can get it put in a corner of a building somewhere or buried in cement someplace.
		But you've got to come up with the right things.
		Things that represent the latter part of this century that would be found, I don't know, 10,000 years from now and carefully excavated.
		And then you've got the archaeologists with little brushes and they would brush it off very carefully and then pop the top and look inside.
		What would we put in our time capsule?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello there, my friend.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		Well, I can't complain.
unidentified		Of course, screaming and kicking, this world will be awakening to a new dawn that the visitors have arrived and no Air Force statement can stop that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the news conference, Fritz?
unidentified		Well, I saw piece and pieces and I, you know, but I heard the soundtrack and all that over the days, period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you had to hear the whole thing, Fritz.
unidentified		I mean, it's like Hitler's third Reich.
		The agenda was then lie long enough and people will start believing it.
		But this case backfired.
		And I agree that people should go really after that and probe the knowledge that the visitors are here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Fritz, this was a comedy.
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was so bad it was a comedy.
unidentified		I mean, you really explained it nicely in your opening statement how ridiculous how that sounded and how they put this colonel up there.
		And I saw him 20 minutes ago again.
		And it's just a joke worldwide.
		It will get more attention than they really realized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's a reason they did it, Fritz.
		It couldn't truly be that bad.
		They're not really that dumb.
		I was in there before, so they're not that dumb.
unidentified		And I could, all I want to say is to the closing here, the display over Phoenix, I have a feeling, will repeat over many cities, and you can take that to the bank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, to the bank, I shall take it.
		Fritz says the display over Phoenix is only the beginning.
		That may well be true.
		I believe, too, there will be more and more and more.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name's Rick.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Rich?
unidentified		I'm in San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kogo country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Oh, sure, well, sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So a typical mistake that even in many time caller.
unidentified		First off, I just want to comment on Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, anybody with any common sense knows that that is a cover-up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a very good one, Rick.
unidentified		No, not at all.
		Not at all.
		They just left too many doors wide open there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Rick, you could drive a space shuttle.
unidentified		True.
unidentified		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through the hole.
unidentified		That's true.
		But that just shows what our government thinks of us.
		You know, not very much.
		And also, I missed a segment of your program, and that was about Grant.
		I don't know if Mr. Hoagland was on the air with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grant?
unidentified		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Earlier?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean about Phoenix?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yes.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry, you missed it.
unidentified		Yeah, and could you kind of review that maybe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Richard will be on again soon in the next few days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's doing a lot of very deep research right now with regard to Phoenix.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you'll be caught up.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And take a cat for me.
		I do every break.
		Comet now has almost become a cat.
		Comet is nearly a cat.
		Comet is my wild cat.
		Let's see.
		How long have we had Comet now?
		We've had Comet Nine, ten months, eleven months, something like that.
		And he's almost a cat.
		He's still a wild child, there's no question about it, but he's almost a cat.
		I mean, every day, incrementally, in some little way, he becomes more domesticated and slightly less wild.
		And speaking of wild, I'm going to have a guest in the next day or so, a woman, Teresa, who lived with wolves.
		I mean, it really is a wild story.
		It's called The Woman, actually The Wolf, The Woman in the Wilderness.
		That's her book.
		She took a wolf back to the wilderness.
		It took months in the wilderness.
		It's really quite a story.
		And I knew better than to try to do it tonight.
		That would not have been a good idea at all.
		Because the Roswell News Conference is sweeping everything else out of the way as I knew it would.
		I'm Art Bell, and we'll break here at the bottom of the hour.
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		Tonight, an oncore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
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		Tonight's program originally aired June 24th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, folks, Here we go.
		I really hate promoing something that's going to occur in my own show, but what the hell?
		In exactly 15 minutes, according to somebody who just taxed me, if you have access to it, C-SPAN 2, repeat, C-SPAN 2 at 12.50 a.m. Pacific Time, or in other words, about 15 minutes from right now in whatever time zone you're in, is going to air the entire UFO, a Roswell, whatever you want to call it, news conference, and I don't want you to miss it.
		So please, if you have access to cable or satellite or whatever, and you have C-SPAN 2, I hope it's true, we'll check it out here to be sure it is.
		But C-SPAN 2, 15 minutes from now, is due to air the whole thing.
		Whatever you do, you don't want to miss it.
		15 minutes from right now.
		So I hate telling anybody to shut off my own show, but I want you to do that.
		At least check it out, and we'll try and confirm the fact that it begins.
		We've got C-SPAN 2 here by satellite, so we'll check it out.
		Here's more reaction.
		It just keeps rolling in.
		Art, good evening.
		The announcement today was the most ridiculous piece of BS I've ever heard.
		At one point, in trying to explain what had happened at Roswell, even after admitting that he was unsure if they were using dummies in 1947, said the Roswell area, responded with aircraft, da, da, da, and ambulances.
		If these were dummies, why in the hell did they need ambulances?
		Yes, yes, yes indeed.
		And also, somebody asked if I would please bring in my cat, Comet, and so they could see Comet.
		So I did.
		And what I did is, during this last break, about three minutes ago, I brought Comet into the studio and let a picture be snapped.
		And then I stopped the feed.
		So I'm going to leave that up there for about the next half hour.
		If you want to see what Comet looks like, there he is.
		I brought him in during a break.
		Go on up to my website right now.
		And you can see how Comet has grown.
		Boy, oh boy, has this cat grown.
		He's really in good shape.
		Anyway, I'm Art Bell, and this is CBC.
		So those two items, Comets on the website right now on the studio cam, and it'll be fixed on that for about the next 30 minutes so you can see it.
		Before I go back to live shots, that's one.
		And two is, in now less than 15 minutes, C-SPAN 2 is due to air the entire news conference if this is accurate.
		So thank you whoever faxed this to me.
		And this is a rare instance where I will tell you, trust me on this.
		Keep my show on in the background if you want to, or turn it off if you have to.
		But do not miss this press conference.
		Of all people, I want my audience, I really want my audience to be able to see this.
		You have to see it live to understand how ludicrous it really was.
		Music We're going to monitor C-SPAN 2 here at the house and alert you if they begin running it.
		Again, in about nine minutes now, they're due to repeat this entire news conference.
		I hope that's true.
		C-SPAN 2.
		C-SPAN 2, if you have that on your cable or satellite.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Kitty in Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Congratulations on your award.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And happy birthday.
unidentified		And I just want to guess where Richard de Hoagland is going to move to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Sedona.
unidentified		Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Close, but no cigar.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I thought it lined up with Sedona on Mars or something.
		Anyway, also, and I have one question.
		What is a Magellan?
		Oh, Magellan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you asked about Magellan.
		I won't answer that right now.
		I'm going to let Richard do it because I know he's got some information on Magellan.
		So I'll refrain from giving you the answer.
		I would rather let Richard do that.
unidentified		Okay, but if that's not what the thing is on the ship that is a Magellan, is it two different things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a Magellan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I don't know what you mean.
unidentified		Well, somebody said you had a point earlier about being on a ship, and if they really wanted to know where they were, they would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that Magellan.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		But Richard's Magellan is fine, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a...
		The Magellan, now all of a sudden I understand what you're talking about.
		There's a Magellan 2000, which is a device that will tell you there's about 37 satellites that are around the Earth right now.
		And Magellan is a little handheld device, and you turn it on, and when you do, it gives you a readout in degrees, minutes, and seconds of exactly where you are, whether you're in the middle of the jungle or in New York City or in Sedona, Arizona, or wherever, within a few feet of actually where you are on the Earth.
		It's a speedometer, a pedometer, odometer.
		It will tell you how fast you're going.
		It'll help you retrace your route.
		It's an amazing device.
		That's what the Magellan is.
unidentified		Okay, but now I truly want to hear about Richard's Magellan now that you brought it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not Richard's Magellan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a spacecraft named Magellan, but that would be for Richard to talk about.
unidentified		But let's have him do that when he comes back on the next time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		I didn't quite get it at first.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Good morning, Mrs. Floyd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Floyd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I saw that ridiculous display.
		And, you know, Today I became, you know, just very, very concerned about something.
		I've been concerned about it for a while, but, you know, it looks like our government is becoming more and more, for lack of a better word, I'm going to use the word oppressive.
		And yet we are the great leaders of freedom.
		We go out and try to solve everybody else's problems, and they're lying to the American public.
		Where is all this going to end?
		Well, it's hard to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is it going to end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that it ever will with our present government.
unidentified		Well, it looks like we are headed toward a one-world government, which scares the life out of me, the very thought of it.
unidentified		But we're sitting over here in what should be the world's greatest country, and they treat us like a bunch of fools.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you were right about one thing.
		It is the world's greatest country, thank you.
		But they do treat us like children.
		And because we are lied to, because the people that we elect are a bunch of damn fools, does not stop me from proclaiming and maintaining that this is the world's greatest country.
		It is by a long shot the world's greatest country.
		No matter how you may think they have eroded and they have, we have more real freedom than any other country in the whole world.
		We have less oppression by taxation, horrible as it is.
		And look, when I look at my paycheck, I tell you I scream bloody murder, so it's not good, but it's the best.
		And I know because I've been around.
		Art, you read my mind about the UFO news conference.
		I think they're trying to destroy their credibility so that they can finally say, oh, all right, you caught us.
		And we're finally going to come clean.
		Be the fourth news conference, eh?
		They're preparing us by living down to our very cynical expectations.
		Living down instead of living large.
		West of the Rockies, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Ms. Samantha Sanerya.
		Oh, sorry, Samantha calling from Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there, Samantha.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Your radio show is different on my radio than it is on your phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, it isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's just a little bit of delay, dear.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we do that in case somebody says a bad word so I can push a button and save my career.
unidentified		Yeah, like I almost said my last name, right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you doing there?
unidentified		Oh, just a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a minute?
unidentified		No, you're not going to get a phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yeah, hang up that phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not with you, people.
unidentified		People hang up the phone.
unidentified		No, I'm calling because I want to know if you could ask Richard Hoagland if he has, well, I know he has to have heard of the Andreessen affair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I interviewed Betty Andreessen.
unidentified		You did?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		The correlations are phenomenal with the Phoenix that she saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just got through reading the book, and I had read it years ago.
unidentified		And when he started bringing up Phoenix, it just hit me like a ton of bricks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ba-boom.
unidentified		It was amazing.
		And how she said it on their uniforms, they actually have the Phoenix on the side of their uniforms.
		That was amazing.
		So he's talked about it too, Richard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we've ever discussed the Andreessen affair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But as I said, I've interviewed Betty Andreessen, so I know.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd be curious about what he thinks.
unidentified		Nursing, did you happen to see the V-shaped UFO that was in Nevada today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've heard reports of it all over the place.
unidentified		It was on the news right after mention of the Rossball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I know.
		I know, I know, I know.
		But I did not see it.
		Thank you very much.
		No, I didn't get to see it.
		Sad.
		Missed it.
		But there was a V-shaped large UFO over Nevada.
		And I would be interested in anybody who did see it.
		Or whether anybody got it.
unidentified		Better yet, did anybody get a photograph of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, if C-SPAN 2 is due to run this thing, it ought to be starting in about five seconds.
		So I'll get confirmation.
		Now, if you've got C-SPAN 2, and I hope this facts information is correct.
		If it isn't, we'll find out here shortly about whether or not they're actually going to run it.
		You don't want to miss this press conference.
		Trust me.
		You don't want to miss it.
		So it ought to almost be underway by now.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Isn't it amazing how people who have nothing to say always get in, and the people who actually have something to contribute have to try for hours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and you hung up.
		Well, isn't it amazing that you're one of the ones who had nothing to contribute and spent hours endeavoring to get in to say that to hang up?
		Ridiculous.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is George in Bradenton, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, George.
unidentified		Hey, good to talk to you.
		You and I have something in common.
		We're both ham operators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there are many hams.
		George, excuse me one moment.
		All right, I just have confirmation.
		Ramona came in and said, yes, indeed, C-SPAN2 is now running that news conference.
		They have just begun to run the news conference.
		So if you have C-SPAN2, go over there right away.
		Go ahead, George.
unidentified		And how are you this morning?
		Fine.
		I'm just curious, what's a good frequency to have a skid with you sometime on hand radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way the bands have been lately, George, unless you've got a big antenna up for 75 or 40 meters, I would say we've got about two years to wait until the high bands open back up properly.
unidentified		Yeah, well, there's been a lot of activity on 20.
		Gee, during the day we get a lot of Europeans.
		I got a guy in New Guinea, 14265.
		Mm-hmm.
		Good signal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, 20 is all right.
		Trouble with 20 meters is it's damn crowded.
		And I'm kind of hanging out for when 15 and 10 begin to open back up.
		That's him talk about frequencies.
		So one of these days, when things get better on the higher bands, you'll see me up there.
		I used to favor 10 meters a lot.
		And I'm waiting for it to open back up again.
		All right, so that news conference is now underway on C-SPAN 2.
		At the very least, you've got to get there and roll a tape.
		It is historic.
		Trust me, you'll want to keep it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
unidentified		It's Juanita from North Vancouver, British Columbia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		I talked to you a little while ago, and you were mentioning that you had heard that some people were trying to get you off the radio up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yes, well, I called CFUN and talked to their program director, and he said he did call and talk to your people.
		And he asked me to please call you and announce on the air that it's not true, as far as CFUN's concerned, to let you know that you're extremely popular up here.
		I'm sure they got a lot of phone calls.
		And they are now starting your show at 10 o'clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they are?
unidentified		They ran a little blurp on their radio that due to the demand, they're starting you at 10.
unidentified		But you have to be able to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, thank you, Cifa.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I'm really happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a rumor.
		I got several emails.
		And you know, when I begin hearing from several sources, then I pay attention that there was a certain Canadian talk host who's on during similar hours and was making a protest, having people call stations saying that I should be taken off because of Canadian content laws or something or another.
		Something like that.
unidentified		Yeah, so he was saying he wished he knew who started the rumor.
unidentified		Because if that was true, they could have like Dr. Laura on and a couple of other people they have on that are all from the States Johnson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have they been relaxing the Canadian content rule a little bit, or what's going on up there?
unidentified		I don't necessarily know if they've been relaxing it, but I know they're going to get a lot of angry people because most Canadians watch everything American on TV.
		I can give you one example.
		You probably don't know about Country Music Television Station.
		They took that off up here and put a Canadian national country music station, and everybody complained, so they finally had to go back and put CNT back on.
		So I don't think you have anything to worry about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Canadian country music, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, more like more.
		I mean, there are some Canadian country singers that are singing out of Nashville, but they were doing more stuff.
		It was absolutely lousy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there Canadian cowboys?
unidentified		Yeah, we have cowboys up here.
		Yeah, we do.
		And we had quite a joke this morning.
		We had an earthquake up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		740.41, 4.5.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll get your attention.
unidentified		Yes, it felt like somebody rammed a car into my house and my windows were all rattling.
		And I've lived in California long enough to recognize them.
		It scared quite a few people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this earthquake was predicted by Mr. Birkland.
		I mean, right on the nose.
		So anyway, listen, I want to thank you, and I want to thank CFON particularly for beginning us at 10 o'clock and putting a squash to that rumor.
unidentified		Well, I'm sure they'll be glad it got on the air.
unidentified		As I say, they probably got a lot of calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, folks, stop calling CFON.
unidentified		They get the point.
unidentified		I did not see that program you're talking about today on Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But I think we'll eventually see it on Dick Clark's Duper program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I say, it's running right now, right this minute.
unidentified		I don't have C-SPAN.
unidentified		I don't know if we even get that up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the one thing Canadians might not even care about is C-SPAN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Americans barely care about it, but I can understand it would really bore Canadians.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I've never seen it, so I don't know what their programs would be like.
		But no, I don't think it necessarily would.
		As I said, if we watch TV, it's mostly all American programs that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, C-SPAN, as a rule, I mean, they do other things, but they generally cover Congress and the Senate.
unidentified		Ah, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I wouldn't think.
unidentified		Probably we don't even want to listen to ours.
unidentified		No, I don't think we want to listen to yours either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		So, listen, folks, that news conference is running right now on C-SPAN 2.
		It is nothing short of incredible.
		I mean, so you've got to see it.
		If you've got any access to C-SPAN 2, get over there.
		Right now, it's already underway by about seven minutes, but you'll still see the best part of it.
		And for those who want to see Comet, I snapped a picture about 30 minutes ago, and I'll leave it on for the next few minutes at least, up on the website, the Live Cam Shots.
		And I'm letting this one repeat, because I took my wild child Comet in there and let it snap a picture.
		So if you want to see what Comet looks like now, after being fed properly for some number of months, go take a look.
		See, he's coming right along.
		Nor did he scratch me to death while endeavoring to take that photograph.
		That, too, is progress.
unidentified		You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June
		24, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		You're listening to Mark Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, come on for a presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Hopefully, a lot of you are actually not here, but on C-SPAN 2, watching the news conference.
		As a matter of fact, once I'm aware that it is over, I intend to open a special line for those of you who just saw the news conference, because I want to hear your opinion.
		We're beginning to get time capsule suggestions here.
		Number one, a stone wall in memory of Bill and Hillary.
		It'll last 10,000 years.
		Two, Dennis Rodman's head.
		All those chemicals in his hair might give him a half-life of 10,000 years.
		Enart Bell, one of the finest minds today.
		Your head might not last as long as Rodman's, but the memory will go on.
		And this art, you might want to put a copy of your book, The Quickening, in there.
		That way, it'll tell the future folks all they need to know about the 90s.
		It's true.
		By the way, I keep saying it, and I can't tell you how much longer it's going to go on, but not much.
		If you want to copy, a first edition copy of The Quickening, and it is only just beginning in distribution, by the way, there will never again be this opportunity.
		Maybe at Christmas or something.
		You know, every Christmas I sign a few copies.
		But other than that, we're coming down the home trail here, folks, on signed copies.
		So if you want an autographed copy of The Quickening, you call right now.
		1-800-864-7991.
		1-800-864-7991.
		I'm getting all kinds of reviews from everybody now who's read it and they love it.
		And I understand that.
		You should.
		Yeah, here's another one.
		Your new book definitely needs to go in the time capsule.
		The people in the future will know what happened to our society.
		Adrowned on a Moral Titanic.
		From Michael at Listening to KBC.
		It really is a good book.
		It really is an important book.
		And somebody else said they enjoyed the little fictional beginnings to each chapter, which we did to simply illustrate where we thought what we were about to document would be going.
		So that's the way the book is laid out, as it takes on each aspect of what I call the quickening.
		Anyway, autographed copies are coming to an end.
		So you must not wait.
		1-800-864-7991.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I was in the Air Force about three, four years ago, and in relation to what you're talking about on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's real hard to believe what they're saying on the Roswell, New Mexico conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to believe?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Impossible to believe.
unidentified		I had a top secret clearance when I was in the Air Force, and I was a security policeman, and I just saw a lot of weird stuff that took place in Europe, and all kinds of stuff.
unidentified		I worked around the highest priority of weapons, and just, you know, what the public doesn't know goes on, you know, and the Air Force doesn't tell them, is really amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, this display today, did you see the news conference?
unidentified		I'm currently watching it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're watching it now?
		Yes.
		Is the most amazing dance I've ever seen in my entire life.
unidentified		Yeah, it's just real hard to believe after all these years that they're coming up, you know, now with all the stuff you're doing on the air and talking about and just divulging all this information now at this time after how many years, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Thank you.
		Here's another one for you.
		Art, we have listened to your show for quite some time and thoroughly enjoy your program.
		I can't visualize or even comprehend how the Air Force could even think that the American public, that's us, Art, could possibly be so stupid as to believe that a batch of, for a better lack of what to call it, crap, and I did study to find the word to properly describe this.
		And the saddest thing of all is that the American public put our trust for defense in this department.
		What do you really think?
		Thanks for taking your busy time out to read our note, Wayne and Liz in Jacksonville, Florida.
		Well, what I really think about Wayne and Liz is that it was so bad, so lame, so pathetic, that it was actually designed to make us believe that Roswell did occur.
		I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion.
		How can they possibly, possibly give us film from seven years to ten years after the incident and using the Colonel's words, spin it together to be the explanation for what occurred in 1947?
		It is an insult.
unidentified		And yet, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet a lot of the people swallow it, the American people.
		I bet they do.
		Anyway, I will shortly open a line for those who have seen the full news conference.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Matt from Canada.
unidentified		It doesn't have anything to do with the Roswell thing, but I have a song about cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a song about cloning?
unidentified		Yeah, that I wrote myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, so I'll sing it for you now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't do that.
unidentified		No?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no singing.
unidentified		No singing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, are you a good singer?
unidentified		Uh, I don't know.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Half decent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm willing to listen to a little bit.
unidentified		How about I just read it for you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're going to sing it, you've got to sing, huh?
unidentified		It goes born in a test tube conceived by the government.
		Now I'm in the spy game and my mind it went.
		Flown from the past, training to see.
		I look to the future where I can be free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of work do you do?
unidentified		What kind of work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		So I'm unemployed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're unemployed?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go and do manual labor.
unidentified		Yeah.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They're pretty good.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		They're just kind of, I have to work on my singing voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Performing voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Work on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like you said, now you made a disclaimer in the beginning of call, and you said you weren't from Canada?
unidentified		Yeah, I am from Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are from Canada?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Sault Ste.
unidentified		Marie, Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sault Ste.
		Marie.
		Up above Michigan there.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, thank you very much for the call.
		And I would have said keep your day job, but you don't have one.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		KQMS, right in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning.
unidentified		Well, you didn't say, well, there she is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There she is.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Hey, you know, I would put a pack of cigarettes in the time capsule so that the people of the future know why we all croaked.
		And now they're illegal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're not illegal, but they're well on the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're well on the way.
unidentified		So how come when you watch CNN, it's called monitoring, but when I watch TV, it's called couch potatoing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I'm sitting here doing my program with the volume down, monitoring.
unidentified		That's what I do.
		I watch with the volume down.
		I listen to your show.
		I monitor two at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, it's just a word, dear.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to monitor from now on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		If you don't mind.
unidentified		Hey, so if you could put one of your interviews in the time capsule, just one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, what a good question.
unidentified		What would it be?
		And I've been listening since about Al Belick, maybe earlier.
		I guess you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's like an author, for example.
		They always like their latest book best.
		I think that I probably would put the Terence McKenna interview in.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe Malachi.
unidentified		Yeah, that was a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's really hard.
		I've done a lot of really good interviews.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		Some really killer interviews.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe even Willie Nelson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Oh, that was a good one.
		You know, I had never heard the sewn-up in a bed sheet story.
		And I'm sitting here thinking, no, if I ever get an old man who does that to me again, I am going to sew him up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, somehow I can picture that.
unidentified		You know what?
		I'll say good morning to Mr. Good Positive Wednesday or else he'll be mad at me.
		Okay.
		Good morning, Mr. Good Positive Wednesday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wherever that is, and wherever you are.
unidentified		Wouldn't you like to know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably a new boyfriend.
unidentified		I doubt it.
unidentified		Although, I always happen to pick the good ones that are always married.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		I just have this melody for married men.
		I know all the good ones are taken already.
		You're left with the combs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really date married men, huh?
unidentified		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, what do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're just attracted to them?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're attracted to you.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I don't know that part.
		But you know, the most attractive part about a married man is the way that he loves his wife.
		Huh.
		Think about it.
		I am trustworthy.
		Unswerving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then you would tempt them from that.
unidentified		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's what you're attracted to.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		And if they stopped doing that, then they'd be a big fat liar, wouldn't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Then I wouldn't like them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'd be like our president.
unidentified		That's right.
		Speaking of which, he owes me an apology.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and Paula?
unidentified		Yes.
		Can you believe that?
		Two women in one century?
		That's what I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not real high up in the Arkansas state government's army.
unidentified		An apology list?
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, this is going downhill.
unidentified		I've got to go.
unidentified		Okay, good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		Oh, boy.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		First of all, let me state that I must remain anonymous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a lot of anonymous people.
unidentified		Second of all, I'll answer your next question by saying that I've thought about it for several years.
		Email, snail mail, fax, it would be great.
		What are you talking about?
		I have information for you, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Secret information.
		Critical information.
		Information that might even get me killed.
unidentified		Right?
		Not you, but maybe me.
		I'm nervous for being on the radio, but I'm scared for what I've decided to do.
		Is there a way?
		It's the smoking gun that everybody's been looking for, but with regard to UFOs?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that a yes?
unidentified		Yes.
		Is there a way for a minute that you could play a commercial or an ad and I could speak to you off here?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a way.
		If it's really that hot.
		Now, you're not blowing smoke here, are you?
unidentified		No, sir, and this will be the only time that I will ever do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Then stay put for a minute.
		Hold on.
		I'll come to you in a second.
unidentified		Stand by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't worth it at all.
		I went to the phone line, and he started telling me this story about a crash, a UFO crash, prior to World War II.
		And I said, Well, can you get me the information?
		And he said, And he said, No.
		No, I'm scared.
		I can't do it.
		I can't give you the information.
		No documentation.
		No information.
unidentified		Well, so then what am I supposed to do with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, come on, folks.
unidentified		Sheesh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a big waste of time.
		I've got to talk you up a year.
		Well, you could have said all that on the air.
		You're not sending me anything.
		You talked about, you said facts, nail mail, email, whatever.
		Pretty good privacy, whatever way you're not willing to send me anything, any documentation, but you're going to weave a tail while I play a commercial.
		Give me a break.
		Back to the phones.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Jim from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Jim.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm looking for Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I'm just curious.
		I saw the C-SPAN replay of the buzzword.
		Yeah, it was really great, huh?
		I just want to know, as Mike mentioned, there was 2,500 balloon tests running at the time.
		I was surprised there wasn't a ton more of these sightings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good point.
		Actually, you know, it's a very good point.
		I mean, from 1952 or 3, whatever it was, that they really got going with this, there should have been all kinds of sightings.
		And one more thing, nobody ever saw, that I know of, one of their dummies coming down in a parachute.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somehow you wouldn't think of aliens as parachuting in anyway.
		I don't know.
		They had it all messed up.
		It was so bad that I really did feel sorry for the Colonel because I feel he was sent out there against all his better instincts to sell the unsellable.
unidentified		Yeah, his knees were shaking, apparently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you blame?
unidentified		I'll tell you something, yeah.
		That's all I wanted to tell you, Art.
		I really love your show, and first time caller, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I would like to interview that Colonel.
		I'm sure the Air Force is not going to allow him to be interviewed, but he would be fun to interview, wouldn't he?
		Now, I will put David Oates to work on that news conference.
		We'll definitely do that.
		That'll be a fun time, huh?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, this is Camo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Camo, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was in my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, turn it off anyway.
unidentified		It's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So there were some letters that were sent on your internet that said messages from Camo.
		A message from Camo.
		Did you ever receive any of those?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't know what you're talking about.
unidentified		No?
		Okay.
		You'll have to read those messages that are on there to understand what I was going to tell you about what's happening up here in Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what's happening?
unidentified		Well, there's some malicious stuff that was going on up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malicious stuff?
unidentified		That's right.
		And I have the victims here, not with me right now, because one of them went to Anchorage.
		But I can have them here tomorrow to talk to you on another line or something, you know, so that they can give you more information about what actually happened up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, give me some idea.
unidentified		Some idea what happened, yeah.
unidentified		Well, there were some guys that went to their trailer and they tried to use gas cans and stuff like that in the middle of the night, and they tried to run them off of their property that they own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not making any sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They tried to use gas cans for what?
unidentified		Well, they wanted to burn them out.
		But one of them had a 22 pistol.
		One of the women had a 22 pistol and scattered them.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would do it.
unidentified		And then one of them came in when she ran out of bullets.
		One of them came in and just beat the heck out of her.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Police get involved?
unidentified		They refuse to do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When there's shots fired, the police always get involved.
unidentified		Well, not here.
unidentified		Maybe somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of Alaska are you in?
unidentified		Eek.
		I'm sorry?
		Well, I'm talking on a cell phone.
		They could be listening to it on something.
		I'd rather not give that information right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		But tomorrow on a hardline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good enough.
		All right.
		We'll look forward to that then.
		There are areas of Alaska, folks, where I would say the law is pretty much the behavior of the people involved.
		In other words, there's very little law enforcement in a lot of the outer areas of Alaska.
		Once you get away from Anchorage or Fairbanks and you get out into the real Alaska, there's very little law.
		And so what he was just telling you may not be bull at all.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hello.
		I just wanted to talk really briefly.
		This might even be old news for you.
		You know the chupacabra story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, would you turn your radio off, please?
unidentified		Yeah, just sec.
		Turn that off for me, please.
		Thank you.
		Well, there's a large rodent, you know, in South America.
		I think it's called the Capy, a name very similar to chupacabra.
		It's called a capybara.
		It's about four foot long, two foot high, weighs over a hundred pounds.
		What's interesting about it is it eats vegetables, but its teeth are really strong, and they say it can chew right through corrugated iron.
		Really?
		I just thought the names were so close, you know, that there might be a possibility of that being that.
		Huh.
		Well, because one's Capybyra and the other's Chupacabra.
		So they're pretty close, you know.
		But there was one other thing, and I just heard it on your show tonight, was concerning a missile launch or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		That was the first I heard about, what was that, a Minuteman launch or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it was a Minuteman, actually, from Vandenberg.
unidentified		Oh, was there any reason for that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they launch them all the time, sir.
unidentified		just to make sure they're still working or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, to put satellites in orbit, that's all.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes just down-range tests, you know.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		I hope you got to see that news conference at the bottom of the hour.
		I am going to open a line for those who have seen it.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 24, 1997.
		Seasons don't feel the reaper.
		Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain.
		We can be like this.
		Come on, baby.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		Baby, take my hand.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		We'll be able to fly.
		Don't feel the reaper.
		Baby, I'm...
		We'll be able to fly.
		We'll be able to fly.
		You're the Steve Ark Bell, somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 24th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to open a line, maybe a couple of them, for those of you who have just seen the news conference.
		And by the way, for those of you who missed it, from Brett in Austin, Texas, one of the disillusioned masses he calls himself, Art just wanted to let you know, the press conference is going to be on regular old C-SPAN at 6.35 a.m. Eastern Time, too.
		So those of us with lame cable companies can get to see it.
		That's 6.35 a.m. Eastern or 9.35 here in the West.
		adjust for your own time zone on C-SPAN.
unidentified		C-SPAN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody who just saw it.
		Hey, Art, you're right.
		Right about the Air Force interview.
		It looks like they're trying to improve upon the big lie strategy.
		Now we have the dumb lie.
		Jeff in Houston.
		Thank you, Jeff.
		You're exactly right.
		And here's another one.
		I just finished watching the rebroadcast of the Air Force Roswell press conference on C-SPAN 2 at 1 a.m.
		Pacific.
		The stumbling, bumbling answers proffered by the military spokesman was a shameful display of the continuing government policy of cover-up and misdirection at any cost, regardless of how ridiculous it may come across.
		One thing which I can't figure out is, why would Mac Grazel, the rancher on whose land the craft landed, have needed to inform the government that a craft had landed or crashed at all?
		If it was merely a test craft, wouldn't the military have been monitoring the flight of the craft and known where the craft had crashed?
		Plus, why would the military surround and cordon off the ranch for a mere test craft?
		It does not compute Nick in San Diego.
		All right, I am now going to, you know, I've got to presume that at noontime a lot of you did not get to see it.
		But the C-SPAN 2 coverage now should have given you a lot of you an opportunity to have seen it.
		So, let me open my first time caller line for those of you who just got to see it.
		because I would like your reaction.
unidentified		And now we take you back to the night of June 24th, 1997, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I just saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I think that it's just a big total lie.
		You're totally 100% correct.
		I have a question, though.
		Do you know if David Oates guy, is that his name?
		Is he going to do any reverse speech on this guy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will set him to work on this guy.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, no doubt.
unidentified		You have to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll be fun.
unidentified		And another question.
unidentified		A couple years ago, you had a guy on who was an author of a book, and he talked about people inside the planet or lived inside the planet or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Who was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There were several people who have done shows on underground bases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harley Bird comes to mind.
unidentified		Bird?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bird.
		Harley Bird claims to be a relative of Admiral Bird.
		Kind of a strange cat.
		Then there were a couple of other people who did underground bases and tunnels.
		So I'm not exactly sure who you're talking about.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
		It was a couple years ago.
		My friend wanted me to ask.
		But it was something else, but I forgot to do it, so I forgot what it was about.
		Thanks a lot, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Thank you.
		See you later.
		And glad you got to see that news conference.
		First time caller online.
		You're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		My name's Shane.
		I'm in just north of San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Shane.
unidentified		Actually, I've been on your line, and I just heard your announcement about I didn't, I don't own a TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't own a TV?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the hell kind of American are you?
unidentified		I use the radio.
		So that's invasive on my gray matter.
		But I was calling, and I was specifically calling about the Admiral Byrd's diaries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Something that had occurred to me, I've heard the last few weeks I started listening to you since I moved to the Bay Area.
		Yes.
		I had gotten Admiral Bird a copy of Admiral Byrd's diaries.
		It's still possible to get it from some book company.
		You can order it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And when everything was going on with John Hoag and about Phoenix, about the lights and the V-ships, there's a lot of different correlations there between the stuff that Admiral Byrd talked about in his diaries.
		I'd like to read them.
		It's a really sketchy, short little book that's like actually photocopies of handwritten pages, which leads me to doubt its authenticity.
		But it leads, are you familiar also with the IM activities at the beginning of the century?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		IM?
unidentified		Yeah, the St. Germain Press.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Began up around Shasta in Northern California.
		Oh, okay.
		It might be something, you just might want to check it out.
		Because the same thing occurred with the man who started the activities.
		It was sort of, it would be an offshoot, like a cult or religion.
		And basically, he says that there are underground cities in different parts of the world which have people in them who are much more highly advanced than we are, like on the evolutionary scale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why are they down there?
unidentified		Because they stay here consciously, on purpose, to help humanity evolving.
		But the thing is, it has a lot of different links with the stuff that Admiral Byrd talked about.
		Because in the description of the diaries of his, it sounds like the same type of thing, where it's sort of like an intergalactic community like you would see on Star Trek.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't think of any group of people who would knowingly, willingly live underground and think of them as really smart.
		I mean, that's got to be a pretty dismal existence.
		Wasn't there a science fiction book about two groups of people?
		Remember that?
		One group that lived underground, and they served the people who lived above ground.
		And they had all the machines and factories underground.
		And they made things for the people who lived above ground, who lived the idyllic life, walking around with flowers in their hair and calling each other brother and sister.
		And they never had to worry or work because all the food and clothing and shelter was provided by those who worked underground.
		Only problem was, every now and then, the people who worked underground would come up out of the manholes and grab one of the idiots walking around above ground and take them below ground and eat them.
		I can't remember what movie that was, but it was awful.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		How you doing, buddy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		This is super.
		I've been listening to the show for a long time.
		I want to say hi to all my friends here in the Commonwealth of Kentucky.
		Art, I watched a C-SPAN 2 program just a little while ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And it sure did look like that guy was trying to do a song and dance.
unidentified		I tell you, it was something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Roswell, case closed, ha ha.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		When they said case closed, it was just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said, well, I can't account for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Time compression, he said.
unidentified		What exactly is time compression?
unidentified		Is that supposed to be something that everybody knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		I think it's, as I said earlier in the show, I figure some general told him to say that.
		You know, I mean, surely the colonel had to ask, General, have I really got to go out there and have I really got to tell them that all of this seven years, ten years later, accounts for what occurred in 1947?
		General, they're not going to believe me.
		They're going to ask about all this time.
		What do I say?
unidentified		Well, son, you tell them about time compression.
		You know, people forgetting about dates and times and things like that.
		Well, it's really been nice talking to you, and I love your show, and just keep on doing what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make them believe, son.
unidentified		It's your job as a patriotic American and an officer and a gentleman in the Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make them believe.
		You're going places, son.
		Get out there and do your job.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
		You know, I think this Phoenix incident was a staged government incident.
		The other night, or last night, when you had that replay of the guy from CSETI, he mentioned something about how the government was trying to stage a hostile alien invasion.
		And the way they were situated, it just reminded me very much of Independence Day.
		And I think this alien autopsy, which I think was phony, and I think they're trying to condition us to believe that there is a hostile alien invasion imminent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one more thing.
		Maybe there is.
		I mean, think about it.
		Maybe there is.
		Maybe that's what they know is coming.
unidentified		Then why don't they just say it?
unidentified		why do they have to do can be so cute about it that i mean if where where where where Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Los Angeles.
		Oh, that's perfect.
		If you were to wake up in the morning, you know, like in ID4, and go outside and look up, and here covering the entire skyline of Los Angeles, probably up through Hollywood, was this giant ship, what do you think would happen in L.A. Just another thing.
unidentified		Well, I tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just another day in L.A., huh?
unidentified		Yeah, just another disaster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		might have a point there.
		The people in L.A. are kind of like people in New York, so jaded that...
		Must be MGM.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Rand from Henderson.
		Yes, sir.
		Did you know they were opening an old Navy store in Las Vegas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
unidentified		Just called their weekly message, and they said new store grant opening on the 28th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a tetrahedral kind of dam, sure.
unidentified		I think so.
		Anyway, I was talking to Barbie Taylor.
		You remember her?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dr. Barbie Taylor.
unidentified		Right.
		And she had worked with Stephen Greer and gone down there to Mexico and all that.
		And she said this thing that in Phoenix was they're moving north.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That's right.
		And she said Las Vegas is next.
		So when we got this report yesterday about Nevada, that doesn't surprise me now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see anything?
unidentified		No, I didn't.
unidentified		No, I was listening to you last night, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I wish somebody had managed to get through.
		The problem is, of course, that getting through at any given time is very difficult.
		And I could have a special line here for ongoing reports.
		But the problem is, like every other line, it would be jammed up, and so it would be useless.
		I wish I had some kind of line for immediate reports.
		But that's well, we have Peter Davenport.
		Peter Davenport, where were you yesterday?
		You should have been telling us about this Las Vegas thing.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Time machine, I think it was Rod Stagger, where they used to come up from underground and grab the people and pull them down and have them for lunch.
		Yeah.
		And then there was a siren sound, like every once in a while, when they went into a freeding frenzy, they'd sound a siren on door with open source.
		Remember that?
		And they dragged the time machine in behind this door, which caused him to go down through the tunnels and find his way back to find the time machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, every now and then they'd grab one of the idyllic people above and they'd be gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Food.
unidentified		Scary stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I mean, there's a price to pay for paradise, right?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Have a good morning.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Got a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		A couple of them, actually.
		Okay.
		Me and my son are leaving here on the 26th of this month, and we're going to Hong Kong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And we will be back July 12th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		Oh, got to hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say you're going to be there for the changeover?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		We've been working on this for, well, me and my wife have been working on this for about two years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would not choose this moment to go.
unidentified		I'm a history nut.
unidentified		I am a total history nut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And me and my wife had already booked a passage for your Alaska tour, and she passed away March 10th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		And now I'm trying to work out with for a group to take my son.
		But that's neither here nor there.
		Anyway, we are going to leave here about 5 o'clock in the afternoon.
		Fly from Las Vegas to San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then on over.
unidentified		And then aboard United Airlines flight and fly to Hong Kong.
unidentified		We're going to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you'll get to see it then, but you won't get to see much.
unidentified		It's going to be interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a little scary.
		You want scary?
		Go on up into Red China, and that's scary.
		That's where everything is already in place.
		My guess is that when the Chinese take over Hong Kong in the very beginning, in the first weeks, months, even years, there's not going to be a lot of difference.
		It's going to be rather slow.
		Creeping totalitarianism is what it's going to be.
		And it will change, and you will see people arrested.
		There will be demonstrations.
		But the people in Hong Kong are a strange group.
		They really don't get excited.
		In other words, most of them originally came from mainland China.
		And they remember the way it was.
		And they know what they cannot do.
		And what they cannot do is protest the inevitable.
		And if they do, I think the Chinese saying about the nail that sticks up is the one that gets pounded down.
		So you may not see a lot of protest.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		How are you doing tonight?
		This is Richard in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I saw the video on C-Fan 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And the expressions, I taped it and I watched it over without the sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the expressions on that man's face, you could just tell from his body's language, it was so painful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		And he kind of reminded me, he kind of looked like Red Skelton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And I was waiting for him to start doing, Joe Gertrude and Heathcliff flew over and caused the planes to come down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It was pretty pathetic.
		But you didn't hear it, huh?
unidentified		Well, I heard it, but I taped it and played it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, I think it is an historic document, and you should keep it forever.
		I plan to.
		I immediately pulled the tab on mine, and I shall keep it forever, every now and then, playing it to remind myself of the regard they have for our intelligence.
		It's either that, or it's that they actually want us to believe that what occurred at Roswell was real in 1947, because it was so lame, what they did was so lame yesterday, that a body simply can't come to any other conclusion.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		How you doing, this is Sean Culling from the Great Northwest, Como KBI.
		Yes, sir.
		And do you realize that this policy that the Air Force has put out, we'll actually find out what they've done than telling the truth with Roswell, I think, in about 250 years from now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
unidentified		The Air Force will tell the truth about Roswell in about 250 years from now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not sure we'll ever hear the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that what will be apparent is what will be in our skies.
unidentified		Well, this is true.
		Hey, I got two requests for you.
		You know, every once in a while you put the statements out about the lady who put the cat in the bag and the old lady who stole the bag?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the gentleman with the truck and the dog and the dynamite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Is that possible?
unidentified		Could you put that on your website?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Website.
unidentified		Can you have a look at that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
unidentified		And then one more request.
		Yes.
		Is it possible, right around 1030 Vermont?
		Could you please explain what the kingdom of Nye is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's where I live.
unidentified		Is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, because I've heard it a while ago, and you said you would explain it the next day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I live in, the place I live in, sir, the county I live in, is Nye County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's N-Y-E, Nye County.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I would explain it then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The kingdom, indeed.
		All right, there you are.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Cousteau died, I just heard a little while ago from French Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cousteau?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm so sorry.
unidentified		Why not have David Oates try to do a reverse speech?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to.
unidentified		Hey, that's great.
unidentified		You know, the more interesting thing is, rather than are they covering up, the interesting thing is, why are they covering up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a million answers to that, from national security to social disruption as outlined in the Brookings report, to the poor scientific careers out there that would be ruined, to religious disruption.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take your pick.
unidentified		Do you think maybe they don't even know, the current people in the Air Force don't even know because their records were so smothered?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the colonel they sent out yesterday, for example, did not know.
unidentified		Hey, can I ask you a quick question?
unidentified		How far did you go at San Diego State?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't go anywhere at all at San Diego State.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
unidentified		Well, I understood that you matriculated there for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Some guys at the Mudchack were telling me that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're wrong.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was in San Diego, but not at San Diego State, sir.
		Listen, show's over.
		I've got to go.
		You get the honors.
unidentified		Good night, Mr. and Mrs. America.

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