The Phoenix Lights (March 13, 1997) baffled Arizona with triangular formations and boomerang-like objects over the Gila River Reservation, later hyped by ABC, NBC, and USA Today in June. Governor Fife Symington’s abrupt reversal—from serious investigation to dismissive "alien costume" stunt—sparked suspicion of FBI/KGB involvement and military convoys, including 100+ trucks from Fort Huachuca. Whitley Strieber and Richard Hoagland link the event to NASA’s Mars Pathfinder mission, celestial alignments (Osiris, Orion), and three suspicious deaths in the program. Unverified claims of guarded UFOs at Sandia Labs and Wright-Patterson persist, while Strieber warns of potential "negative visitors" amid personal threats. The episode underscores media manipulation, government opacity, and lingering UFO mysteries. [Automatically generated summary]
I have been doing talk radio now for 13 years, in its present incarnation.
And I have never seen a period of more high strangeness than you're about to hear.
I recited to you this morning.
Whatever is going on in Arizona, it's getting beyond belief.
Councilwoman Frances Barwood, she's a councilwoman of the Phoenix City Council, at least for now, who requested an investigation of what Bill Hamilton documented, along with many others.
Then that will be followed by Richard Hoagland, who called all this 24 hours before it occurred, and then Whitley Streeber.
And there are things going on that are way beyond the pale.
So we'll kind of try to let it unwind in some sort of chronological order, if we can.
So what I would suggest is two things.
One, buckle in.
Two, if you have a tape recorder, we love selling tapes, but I'm telling you right now, roll that sucker now.
We are about to go to Bill Hamilton, who is a UFO investigator.
He captured some of the strange footage that you're now seeing nationwide, strange as that may be, suddenly months after the event, like somebody threw a switch.
Here's the quick chronology I've got.
June 19th, 1997, about 12.45 p.m. this afternoon.
Arizona Governor Fife Symington states he has ordered the Arizona Department of Public Safety to initiate a full investigation of the Phoenix Lights, that's in quotes, event of March 13th, 1997.
This event was captured on local TV.
The governor's demeanor was dead serious.
June 19th, 1997, at 1 o'clock this afternoon, Governor Symington returns to the federal courthouse to continue his trial on federal indictments, fraud and misrepresentation.
June 19th, 1997, about 5 p.m.
Governor Symington calls an emergency press conference.
Now, this is four hours later.
An emergency press conference at which he announces there will be no investigation.
In other words, he says, the whole subject was just a big joke.
The Faxer says, I am not able to provide answers that would explain his behavior.
I can, however, play Connect the Dots, Hoagland's game.
The thing is, I don't like where the dots logically lead.
I've been investigating the UFO subject for 21 years now as a field investigator.
And on the night of March 13th, I received a phone call from a man named Steve in Awatuke, just south of Phoenix.
And he had, for the past three nights prior to March 13th, he and his family had been seeing some very strange lights and videotaping them.
And he asked me to come down and check this out.
And I took along my friend Tom King.
We went down there, and we took a look at his video.
He showed us where he was seeing these lights in the vicinity of the Australia Mountains.
And they reappeared that night at very low elevation below the peaks of the Australias, in front of the Australia Mountains, right over the Gila River Indian Reservation, and a kind of in an almost triangular formation.
And ever since that night, of course, we found out that others had seen other objects that same night.
In fact, we believe maybe four or five different events occurred over the Valley of the Sun that night.
In fact, new reports are still coming in to me.
And we're putting this all together in an event analysis down At Village Labs with Jim De La Toso and Michael Tanner.
And in fact, we're finding out some very new, interesting information about these sightings, about the path of these objects, that one of these objects, which I believe was a large black triangle, reversed its path somewhere around Tucson.
It was seen by some truck drivers driving north on Interstate 10, and their trajectory for that particular object would bring it right across our line of sight that particular night.
There were some of the witnesses could discern a solid object, especially the triangular object, but there was also an object that resembled, like one witness said, a carpenter's square, a boomerang-type-shaped object.
I want to ask you just as an investigator, this occurred back on March 13th, the big one anyway.
Yeah.
And yesterday, prophetically, after the appearance of Richard Hoagland, and we're going to get to that, USA Today, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and maybe even CBS, all suddenly, like somebody threw a switch, all went national with this story.
Now, that was March 13th.
It was March, April, May, June.
This is June.
It seems beyond the realm of the wildest possibility.
I mean, these were prepared pieces that these networks had.
They weren't thrown together in seconds.
Now, this indicates there is either great management of the news, which is what I'm beginning to believe, and I don't like to believe those kinds of things.
Well, what they were doing was they have local teams right here in Phoenix, and they gathered these witnesses together at various locations, either at village labs or like this morning we gathered together at Francis Farwood's house.
Well, I was concerned because I saw this Channel 15 news broadcast earlier this evening with Governor Symington coming on the air.
And the newscaster announces that in an unprecedented move, Governor Symington has launched an official investigation into the sightings.
Well, that kind of lifted my spirits.
Then the governor came on and said, the video that I saw a quick glimpse of was intriguing, so I am going to order a full, you know, investigation of this through DPS.
That's the Department of Public Safety.
We are going to make all the necessary inquiries, and we're going to get to the bottom of it.
We're going to find out if it was a UFO, and he said that very seriously.
Okay, there's one part of the chronology you missed.
At about 1 o'clock, Governor Symington went to federal court to continue his trial on federal indictments, fraud and misrepresentation, something having to do with banks or something.
And I am trying to find out whether at any time during that appearance in court, the governor went privately to chambers.
And I have yet been unable to find out.
Returning to the original announcement the governor made, his demeanor was dead serious, wasn't it?
In other words, this was not presented originally as a joke.
Now we're conducting a serious ongoing investigation.
We're talking to, you know, we're having new witnesses come forth who may be a little put off by all of this.
We have filed an FOIA request with the FAA, and the request was to seek any and all records, documents, and audio tapes regarding unidentified objects, lights, flares, or any other unusual airborne phenomena in the vicinity of Phoenix on that particular night.
Well, we have a report that there are an unusual number of FBI personnel at a particular downtown hotel.
And I got a report from two sources, so we are sending in somebody who's an investigator to check this out even further to see if we can get an absolute verification on this.
I also have, and I hesitate to repeat them, I don't like repeating them, but they make some sort of sense now.
I have reports, and I've been getting continuing reports over the internet and elsewhere, that there are large Army convoys headed for Phoenix.
Here's one, for example, that says at dawn on Wednesday, May 28th, a U.S. Army military convoy of more than 100 trucks and other vehicles departed for Phoenix from Fort Achuca, is it?
Near Sierra Vista?
Waitchuca, thank you.
Near Sierra Vista, Arizona, 70 miles southeast of Tucson.
The media were told that, quote, the people have nothing to worry about, end quote, and this high-tech convoy is going to Phoenix for routine communications operations.
It is believed that this convoy is a blatant ploy, that this convoy is confirmation of a pre-planned attempt at placing Phoenix and most probably all of Arizona along the southwest border under martial law sometime in July of 1997.
And it cites a notice to Governor Symington and General Van Dyke of the Arizona National Guard.
Well, Art, all I can say is at this point in time, I'm looking into it.
I don't know what's going on, and this is very bizarre, very strange activity that's going on.
We're still getting sighting reports.
I had a phone call tonight of something seen Monday night.
So the sightings are continuing.
They're not on such a large scale as on the 13th.
But we have been getting reports since March 13th about military convoys.
In fact, one week after March 13th, I heard there was a military convoy moving along McDowell Road down here in Phoenix, and witnesses talked to me about it.
Let me read you yet another facts I've got that will set this up.
At 12.30 this afternoon, the governor of Arizona called a press conference, said that he's going to call for an official investigation of the lights over Phoenix, said that he was going to get to the bottom of it since it's now making a stir in the media nationwide.
At 5 o'clock, he called another conference.
This time he said it was all a joke and that the press is taking all of this too seriously.
At the conference, he had someone who was all dressed up as an alien.
And the factor simply says, Francis, who in the hell got to him in that five-hour period?
I'll tell you, I started getting phone calls a little bit after the press conference, which was carried live on the TV stations, because apparently everybody thought that something had really occurred that he found out about.
And the people that started calling me were very upset when they realized it was a joke.
Today has been kind of like going on a merry-go-round, but I've had so many calls from news media across the country, and I've been on radio stations in towns that I've never been to.
And then to have this announcement on the TV, on the news, just a little afternoon was very exciting.
And I received phone calls from people saying, this is wonderful.
He's looking into this, and now we'll get to the bottom of it.
And I'm sure you felt the exhilaration of some vindication because here was the governor of the state calling for what you had simply called for and got so much trouble for.
And it was, you know, one of the things that I said was, you know, well, I guess he's really, you know, not afraid because it seems like everybody else is afraid to deal with this.
And then this evening, as we were sitting down grabbing a bite to eat, had the TV on and they have this live press conference and here he is saying, you know, they've got this breakthrough and it was a hoax and they caught the perpetrator and out walks this, you know, alien person.
And it was like my husband just turned around and he goes, oh, brother, it's a joke.
And it's kind of the feeling, you know, it's like, how can you joke about something that so many people feel so serious about and are so curious about, whether they've seen it or didn't see it, they know that something happened that night.
Okay, I sat and I tried to imagine why the governor, assuming he's stable, would do such a thing.
And the only thing I could come up with is he is under federal indictment, is that correct?
That's correct.
And in fact, made a court appearance.
Could it be, Francis, that noting the national publicity surrounding this and knowing that the Phoenix, in fact, Arizona media, if not national, would possibly be reporting on his court appearance, that he could somehow divert the media attention from that court appearance.
And not only that, but apparently only a very few were in on this.
It was his chief of staff, his, I think, press secretary, and two people from DPS.
And the rest of his staff and the rest of DPS did not know about it at all.
And they had taken this also very seriously.
And on television tonight, they said that there are several people in DPS who are very angry that they wasted their time and effort thinking that they were going to be investigating this and then to have it be just a joke.
And apparently the reason that things were active down there was because he had made the announcement that he's ordered this investigation and everybody was just kind of, oh, tell me more about it and all this kind of stuff.
So up to that point, everything was just as everybody thought it was.
Well then, Francis, if this was not a diversionary tactic, and it doesn't sound like now that it was, could it have been an intentional effort to yet pull this whole thing in Phoenix further into the chuckle factor category for some reason?
Let me ask you about the same thing that I just ran past Bill Hamilton, and that is the reports of FBI in unusual Numbers in Phoenix for some reason, and of course, even wilder reports of military convoys headed toward Phoenix.
Can you confirm that you also have seen these and heard of these reports?
They look very official and they're very detailed.
I don't know if it is something that somebody took a long time to make up or what's going on, but one of the things is that her report was that there are FBI and KGB agents in the UK.
Well, it gets kind of interesting because you know that right after the article appeared in the paper, the recall that had been put on hold was activated again, but two days later.
A lot of people now regard you as a very brave individual.
Is there anything people can do to help you?
I mean, would you like to have them call City Hall, have a discussion, write to the mayor, do something, anything?
In other words, I see you that way myself.
You were out front before anybody else got started on this.
All you did was say, I mean, we've all seen it now, thank heavens.
For whatever reason, they've been running this footage.
There's another thing.
Do you have any sense of how something that happened on March 13th, April, May, and now June, could suddenly be run by all of the national media all at once like this?
Well, they probably have decided that they didn't want to be beat out by the other ones, I guess, because I think we've heard from every single station in existence.
For those of you who missed the first hour, I'm sorry, you missed quite a bit.
Bill Hamilton filled the first half hour, the investigator who took photographs of the lights over Phoenix, commenting on the lights, on the reports, on the occurrences of the day.
An occurrence where the governor of Arizona came out in a serious, very deadpan, serious manner and said it was time for an investigation of what went on over Phoenix.
Then he went into court to face charges that he has been facing for some time and at about five o'clock came out and called, quote, an emergency press conference in which he said it's all a joke and trotted out one of his press people dressed as an alien to add to the joke part of it.
I just received a fax saying, Art, as much as I enjoy your show, it enrages me beyond measure that you trash Fife Symington's reputation with a statement like, is he stable?
Well, it was not a statement.
It was a question, and I meant it.
I have nothing against Fife Symington.
I've always had a lot of respect for him, but I think it is a reasonable question under the circumstances.
It does not seem a stable action.
And it does not seem Bob Mohan, I know Bob at KFYI, who says, Holy Father in heaven, deliver me from the humorless people.
That kind of humor, after this kind of story, with people like Councilwoman Frances Barwood being trashed by the mayor of Phoenix, you know, there's just not a whole lot of humor around this whole thing right now.
So I can't imagine that he would do that.
Anyway, Bill Hamilton was followed by Councilwoman Frances Barwood.
Both Francis and Bill confirm that there are a lot of FBI and, get this, KGB people in the Phoenix area.
They both have heard the same reports of military convoys moving toward Phoenix.
I know, folks, this gets pretty weird.
I just heard from Keith Rowland, my webmaster, who says there are now links on our site, www.artbell.com, to the CNN story about the Phoenix lights and the Las Vegas story, Las Vegas Sun, which has an AP story on the whole thing with the Arizona governor that occurred during the day.
So again, I certainly, I have no ill will or ill feeling toward the governor.
I simply have questions.
And under the circumstances, a question about stability I think is entirely appropriate, and I don't mean it in any negative way.
I simply don't know what the hell is going on.
Now, coming up in a moment, the guy, I don't want to say who started all this, but who called this as a psychic would call something, Richard Hoagland, is coming on.
He'll be followed by Whitley Streeber, who is patiently listening to all of this.
By the way, I would like to again stress on behalf of Councilwoman Frances Barwood, who has been fantastic through all of this and merely requested an investigation in the beginning, that all of you flood City Hall with requests that the investigation actually be conducted and that they lay off Frances Barwood.
On her behalf, I would like to request that you do that wherever you are in the nation.
If you have seen the light with your own eyes, seen the light, so to speak, then would you not, if you were in Phoenix, want that investigated?
Alright, now, now we move to the man who, 24 hours before all of this began, appeared to call it as a psychic would call something.
Now, he, of course, is going to object to that because he says there is pure science behind how he knew what was about to happen.
And by the way, he thinks he knows more of what's going to happen.
Richard C. Hoagland the following facts probably should set things up fairly well.
It comes from, I think, Dean in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Art.
The putrescent smell of control, finger snapping, sound effect added, and three TV networks and one major newspaper simultaneously giving coverage to the Phoenix phenomena reaches far and wide, even out here in the Pacific.
And that Richard Hoagland called the shot based on his tetrahedral physics is even more odorous.
It is blatantly clear that there is an ongoing attempt by the unseen to control social opinion and focus.
You pointed out the odds of such simultaneous occurrences are minuscule, I did indeed.
But what may not have occurred to you is that Hoagland, and then, in parentheses, Hoagsland, may in fact be part of the agenda machine, the convoluted path by which he arrives at his conclusions, which become predictions, also defy all odds.
Further, his methods go against all reason, that is, good science, chooses and tests the simplest models of reality, not the most convoluted.
I smell a rat, and the rat extends beyond the unseen agenda machine.
Here is, if I can punch the right button, Richard C. Hoagland.
Richard.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
I did not expect to have you back on the air so soon.
Neither did I. Events are as they are, Richard.
I'm going to have to ask you to do what you usually don't do, and that is, we have a lot of news.
And first, though, I think, for the sake of continuity, you should try and explain to the audience, if that is possible for you, the shortest version possible of how you possibly arrived at what this factor accuses you of, you know, arriving at a conclusion that you could not possibly, in his opinion, have arrived at.
So try and explain to the audience how you got to where you got to.
Well, I had a call this afternoon from the Arizona Republic, and I hope the reporter is listening because I'm going to try to do it briefly one more time.
This is not, you know, I am not part of the C-word.
I am not part of any conspiracy.
What I find sad in Frank's communication is the idea that in this culture, the only way you can know something's going to happen is if you're in on it.
You know, if you have a deep throat, if you have a source, if you have some inside information, insider trading.
That good old-fashioned thinking is passe.
That we are somehow slaves to an authoritarian pyramid where the only way you can ever know something is if somebody who knows more than you do tells you.
And what I've been saying consistently from the beginning, for 15 years and in the last several years when we've been doing the show, is that I have a radically different, rather remarkably unique approach, which is why don't we try to figure it out ourselves?
And in excruciating details sometimes, on your show particularly, I have laid out the process whereby I have arrived at certain conclusions.
And I did the other night.
Now, if Frank can't follow, if he doesn't get redshift and run the numbers, I've given sources, references, you know, the qualitative torturous route is relative.
And I'm using that as a pun.
Relativity, you know, let me finish this.
Relativity, Einsteinian relativity, is not logical.
It cannot be arrived at by just anybody.
Albert Einstein arrived at relativity by an extraordinarily torturous route.
Yet it is now accepted as science, as fact, as the way the universe works, not because of the route by which he arrived at it, but because of the experiments that proved he was probably right.
Well, you'd have faxes saying that, oh, no, it goes against common sense.
It violates Occam's razor.
That's what this gentleman is referring to.
And this is a fallacious myth about science.
Because a lot of what we believe now in science is not the simplest explanation.
It is the correct explanation.
How do we know it's correct?
Because it predicts.
This idea that only the simplest theory is the correct one is totally off the beam.
If I were to take the entire evening, I could go through discovery after discovery, where in fact it is not a simple explanation that has turned out to be right by the criteria of a successful set of predictions.
It's a much more interesting and complicated view of reality.
So this is not simplistic, and I'm going to obviously cut corners in trying to do this simply.
And what I did for the reporter was to say it the following way.
We have on the table a certain database.
We have a set of landings on the moon and other planets, particularly Mars, at a certain set of coordinates at a certain time.
That's part of the public record.
You cannot argue with them.
And what we simply did was to take that Factual database and plug it into a well-known computer program called Redshift, which allows us to do not only simulations of the sky as seen from any spot on Earth, but from any spot on the Moon and on Mars.
It's the only program I know that's available for under $100 that can do that.
So what we did was we simply put in the best available coordinates and times as derived from official records, most of which came from NASA themselves.
In particular, one source from the U.S. Geological Survey, Don Wilhelm, who wrote a brilliant book called To a Rocky Moon, published by the University of Arizona in 1994.
And when we put these numbers into the computer, basically Greenwich time, latitude, longitude, and looked at the sky, nothing more complicated, we saw a stunning, recurring pattern.
And the pattern was Osiris and Sirius and also Leo, which is connected.
And it, obviously, for someone who's a generalist like myself, who knows, you know, on a first-name basis, people like Graham Hancock and Robert Baval and John West and many others who have labored in the vineyards and who knows a little bit about Egyptian mythology, it didn't take a rocket scientist, which I'm not, to realize that what I was seeing was a stunningly Egyptian pattern.
And the capper was when I rediscovered through Ken Johnston's private archive the mission patch of Apollo itself, which featured Orion.
Boiled down information from Egypt has been driving NASA's agenda when they launch, when they land, where they land, the whole thing for years and years and years.
Because as we were looking at the impending Mars mission Pathfinder, because of the web now and the ability to get accurate data from inside NASA, from the honest side of NASA, from the engineers running the mission, on NASA's own website,
there was posted a time on July 4th when the Mars Pathfinder, as a bullet, it's not going to go into orbit, it's going to streak right from space to the ground in four minutes, when it was going to enter the Martian atmosphere at about 125 kilometers.
I misspoke the other night.
It's very high in the atmosphere when the entry into the air of Mars begins.
And so I ran the computer program, which had turned out this stunningly Egyptian mythological pattern for the Pathfinder landing on July 4th at entry interface of 165051 Greenwich Mean Time.
for it to work pathfinder would have to arrive not on the fourth but on the twentieth and you said Because everything else about Pathfinder is tetrahedral.
It is the encapsulation, the epitomization of this whole 19.5 business.
I ran the program, and bingo, the pattern popped out at the time on the 20th, which they are claiming on their website that they are going to land.
Not only is Orion at 19.5 on Mars that evening, but a little bit away, several hundred miles around the planet, at Sidonia, Leo is dead set on the meridian with the face, the Martian Sphinx, looking at its counterpart in the Martian sky.
And simultaneously on the moon, at Tranquility, the hallmark of the first landing on July 20th back in 69, after umpteen revolutions and processions and mutations, because these bodies are rolling and pitching like ships in a high sea in three dimensions, Art.
This is not a static universe.
It's a constantly moving set of spinning little objects.
But the computer popped out Orion 19.5 degrees over the horizon of tranquility next to the vacant landing site of Apollo 11.
And because of March 13th and the events over Phoenix, lost in dim memory now, except for a spate of news coverage in the last 24 hours, I said, I wonder about Phoenix.
And that, of course, got me thinking about the meaning of Phoenix, which, of course, suddenly, you know, you get hit between the eyes.
For God's sake, Phoenix is one of two American cities which are tied in to this whole Egyptian mythos.
So the Phoenix connection hits you between the eyes.
The Phoenix is the encapsulation of the whole Egyptian mythos.
Osiris, Orion represents reincarnation.
The Phoenix represents reincarnation.
The new born from the old.
The new born from the ashes of the old.
So I'm looking at Phoenix, and I'm looking at this Egyptian connection, and I thought, my God, what if I ran the stars over Phoenix, and I put them in the computer, and not only do they work precisely for the 20th of July of this year, they also work going back to the first landing on the moon.
Basically, you have explained the connection, years of work, literally, plotting this, computer projections.
And the fact is, the Pathfinder has got to land not on the 4th because it's all wrong, but on the 20th.
So based on that, you made several predictions.
One, that Pathfinder would in the next few days be lost and then suddenly, magically found again, but there would be a new date for the landing, which would then be the 20th, not the 4th, and it would not be where they originally wanted to land, but instead Sidonia.
See, the problem is how do you get from here to there?
And one scenario is they have to lose it and then discover it too late to correct a problem.
So their backup is, well, everybody wants to go to Sidonia.
Donna Shirley, who's the program manager at JPL, said at the launch that even if we just get it down there, it's a success.
So politically, that appeared to be a reasonable scenario to satisfy the numbers, the pattern.
What's important, Art, is this is an extraordinary plan, which is literally decades in the making.
When you talk to aerospace engineers as we have, when you have people like Mars Arnick, who is a former NASA employee of the year, won awards from NASA, McDonnell Douglas engineer, I think he's listening tonight, in and out of Houston, a blue ribbon member of the elite team that got us to the moon.
When you present him with this data, which I did several months ago in St. Louis, and he literally has his draw fall on the floor as part of the flight team that did the calculations for orbit, for rendezvous, for lunar landing, part of the program since before Mercury, and he affirms, and colleagues of his caliber, that there's no way this pattern can exist unless it was an unwritten prime directive, the most important thing on the runway, and everything else flowed from it, you know you're onto something.
Well, let's just say that I would like an awful lot of people crawling all over the story and asking why all the weirdness.
The governor's actions are inexplicable unless there is other pressures being brought to bear, to my opinion.
The fact that we have federal agents apparently in Phoenix, the fact that we have rumors of troop movements, the fact that we have now rumors of KGB agents, something pretty interesting is occurring in Phoenix, and the numbers and the pattern says it's connected to a NASA mission, which is now just days away from Mars.
All right, now let me give you two pieces of information.
I would like your reaction to it, and then we'll go on.
Palo Alto, California, June 17th.
That was my birthday, UPI.
Two adults and two teenagers are being held on suspicion of beating a NASA scientist to death Friday in Palo Alto.
The suspects were booked for investigation of murdering Herbert Burt Kay, who was killed Friday on a downtown street not far from his home around the corner from the police station.
Kaufman said Kay's body, get this, was found stuffed between an oak tree and a fence.
K-38 was a computer scientist at NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View.
He moved to Palo Alto about two months ago with his wife and two-year-old twin daughters.
Now, NASA Ames Research Center, computer scientist.
Now, come forward to yesterday, now yesterday, or the day before, really, Washington Associated Press.
Listen to me carefully, folks.
The director of a space exploration program at NASA was killed when a tree fell on his car during a violent thunderstorm.
Jurgen H. Ra, I believe it is, R-A-A-G-57, brace yourself now, science director for NASA's Solar System Exploration Program, was killed Wednesday night as he drove near his home in Potomac, Maryland, a Washington suburb.
Ra was in charge of the overall management of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's program of sending robot craft to explore planets beyond the Earth.
He was, now listen carefully, the general manager of the Galileo spacecraft mission to Jupiter and the Mars Pathfinder, a mission that will include an unmanned landing on Mars July 4th.
When I was at Cape Canaveral a few months ago for the Mars surveyor launch in November, some of our contingent went over to the press site on Merritt Island, which is where I used to hang out back in my days covering the moon launches for Cronkite and CVS.
And they built a brand new press center.
It makes me drool compared to what we used to have to work with.
And they have lots of exhibits, and they have press computers, and it's glittering, and it's gold, and it's lavish for the press.
And I went in hoping to collect material on Pathfinder and on Surveyor.
And I was struck, as I walked in the door, by a photograph of a very pert young lady in her mid-30s, framed in black crepe, and an in-memorium below the photograph.
And it turned out that the day before the Surveyor launch, on November 3rd, this young lady, who had been the Mars Pathfinder Program Manager At JPL, had died suddenly and tragically from an embolism during a routine hospital stay in California in Arcadia, just east of Pasadena.
Now, I don't remember her name.
And at the time, I was, you know, I was shocked because it's like, you know, part of the NASA family, but I didn't think anything of it.
Tonight, when I saw two days ago, I saw the computer person story from Palo Alto.
Then I got to thinking about this hard, and obviously I didn't want to leap to any conclusions.
Early this morning on the 19th, as I told you two days ago, this was the where we calculated the last time, five days before the actual burn on the 24th, when the spacecraft could receive the instructions loaded in the computer for autonomous function.
So if it's going to disappear anytime between now and the 24th, it could, and it could carry out its instructions completely cut off from all ground commands.
If someone in a position of authority quietly began asking questions based on information that we were providing, one can again draw very disturbing conclusions.
I was not there.
I don't know if a tree did fall on him.
The police in California on the murder are not answering any questions as to motives or any other details.
What disturbs me most is the first death, which occurred in November, a month before Pathfinder launch, when the program manager of this program suddenly dies under unusual circumstances in a hospital of an embolism.
Now, when you look at the NASA family, which is 21,000 people and falling, and you look at the much tinier Pathfinder family within that NASA community of tops, maybe a couple of hundred people, having three people die within a few months under strange circumstances,
all associated, key people, people with responsibilities and managerial and expert positions who could know something if there was something to know, I think borders on incredible and needs an investigation, given what the numbers say, what the pattern says, and what's going on currently around Phoenix.
Not to mention, and we discussed in some detail this morning, you and I were both absolutely astounded and amazed that an event occurring March 13th would suddenly be reported by all this mass media here in the middle or latter part of June.
It seems unreasonable beyond all expectations, and yet it occurred.
There's no big UFO thing that's appeared over here, New York, let's say, or over Washington, to where they haul out from the file the latest previous city which had something.
I have a source who called USA Today in Washington and contacted an editor yesterday and asked point blank, why did you run the story?
And he said that his editor, his senior editor, came in at 10 o'clock Pacific time, which is when you go on the air, and said abruptly, we're changing the front page and we're going to put this story from Phoenix inside, you know, basically stop the presses.
The USA Today newspaper is a good newspaper, but it is not of the caliber of the Washington Post or the New York Times, which one could imagine would drive the network's agenda to follow themselves with a story.
Plus the fact that the networks ran stories that obviously had been prepared in advance.
Again, the most disturbing part of this is the body count is climbing.
And I have a very simple recommendation, which I hope America is going to listen very carefully to and please follow.
Frances Barwood said last night, she affirmed, that Ted Koppel is seriously considering an investigation of the Phoenix lights.
I would like the Art Bell audience, which has come through before and has made a difference with AP and others, to simply fax Ted Koppel.
He is having a production meeting tomorrow, my sources told me about an hour and a half ago, on this specific subject.
If you were to fax him, and I will give out two fax numbers and they're on our website at enterprise mission.com.
If interested people who would like to get to the bottom of this, I don't frankly trust faxes going to the city council of Phoenix because there is obviously a cover-up going on.
He did not do a snap thing, which would have been easy for ratings.
He could have called Francis and said, we're going to do it tonight and gotten it out of the way.
Instead, there is a serious meeting tomorrow to consider the evidence marshalled on many fronts now.
And he promised me when I met with him several years ago that when we could bring him substantial evidence of unusual irregularities, if not wrongdoing, that he would put the entire investigative unit at the disposal of finding out what was going on.
And to put the kind of investigative resources behind the governor's statements, the stonewalling on the part of the city, the Air Force actions, the senatorial dismissals in terms of the letters that she sent that got put in the round file, and the possible connection to the NASA Mars story with three key players suddenly dead in nine months.
I believe that if enough people simply say that you can be the arbiter of honesty in this situation, conduct an appropriate investigation, and when you present the fax, we'll believe you because you have a track record You're doing this, I think Ted will respond.
If you're just joining us, what you have missed is Bill Hamilton, the investigator, who took the original photographs of the lights over Phoenix, or at least some of them, and a description of a very bizarre day in Arizona,
one in which the governor of the state called for an investigation, seriously so, went into a courtroom where he was facing federal charges, came out, called an emergency news conference, and said it was all a joke.
We followed that then with Councilwoman Frances Barwood.
And she gave us her reaction to all of that, as well as the rumors of military activity and the strange occurrences in Phoenix.
Then, she was followed by Richard Hoagland, who is under suspicion by many people now of knowing something that he could not have known, simply because he called it all and said, watch Phoenix, something is about to happen.
And it sure as hell did.
Coming up in a moment, Whitley Streeber.
I do have, however, one comment that is kind of off track from all Of this, but I want to make it.
It will be perceived by many that I am making this because of past anger over what has been done me by a certain cartoonist named Steve Benson, who is a syndicated cartoonist in Phoenix.
Now, yesterday during the program, somebody called up and described the latest outrage by Mr. Benson that appeared in the Arizona Republic newspaper.
Mr. Benson used that now very famous, I guess that's the right word, tragic photograph of the fireman holding the dead child after the bombing in Oklahoma.
It's one of those benchmark photographs, you know, that generations to come will see to mark that tragedy.
And as you know, Mr. McVeigh has been sentenced to death in connection with that bombing.
Mr. Benson apparently is an anti-death penalty person, and so he took that cartoon, and I'm paraphrasing because I don't have it in front of me, but roughly he put captions above the baby and above the fireman, and the baby was saying something like, haven't enough died already?
Haven't enough died.
And the fireman, looking down at the baby, you've seen the photograph almost everybody in America has.
The fireman is captioned as saying, stop your whining.
This is, in my opinion, the most insensitive, outrageous, horrendous example of a man who is clueless.
And I think there should be a flush Benson campaign.
And I mean flush Benson campaign.
And I would urge everybody who was offended by that cartoon to call the Arizona Republic tomorrow morning and suggest exactly that, that Benson be flushed.
We don't need this kind of thing.
And I just can't imagine where this clueless man is coming from.
He was interviewed on CNN.
As a matter of fact, they're running a story on it since we had it yesterday morning.
They're running a story on it on CNN today.
And Benson does his usual silly little dance of suggesting that Wyatt doesn't mean necessarily in an editorial cartoon what it seems to mean.
BS, Mr. Benson, it obviously means exactly what you intended it to mean.
And it was hurtful.
They interviewed the mother of that child.
They interviewed people who had seen the cartoon, really wrong name for that tragic depiction.
And as far as I'm concerned, Mr. Benson ought to be gone.
And when Mr. Benson did a cartoon of me as implicating me as one of the ones that caused the explosion at the Oklahoma Federal Building, Moro Federal Building, I had him on the air.
And he talked extensively about the First Amendment.
And he's right.
There is a First Amendment.
But Mr. Benson, the First Amendment cuts both ways.
And Mr. Benson, I would like to see you fade quickly into obscurity, flushed.
And I would hope that all of the people out there that are offended by that disgusting, disgusting cartoon will call the Arizona Republic urging them to flush you, Mr. Benson.
Incidentally, having said that, well, as a matter of fact, let me pause because I just wanted to get that off my chest.
I just couldn't believe he did that.
So that's off my chest.
And in a moment, we're going to Whitley Streeber, who's been listening to all of this patiently, very patiently, in San Antonio, and I'm sure has comments and no doubt an emotional reaction.
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Now we take you back to the night of June 19th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Music From Sean in Yucca Valley, the implications of the seemingly orchestrated behavior of the national media are alarming in the extreme.
Could it be just an incredibly bizarre coincidence?
If a loafs of power exists capable of manipulating broadcast content and timing to the pervasive degree implied by yesterday's lockstep media eruption, to what end would those exercising this extraordinary power blatantly show their hands at this time and in this unusual context?
To risk exposing this most un-American capability under anything but the most pressing circumstances simply does not make sense.
Can things possibly get any Stranger and here to comment on that and all we've been talking about from San Antonio is Whitley Strieber, author of Communion and much more.
Well, it suggests the presence of some kind of structure behind the events that is not publicly visible.
I think that there are a number of possibilities as to why this thing that happened in Phoenix would suddenly be seized on just at this particular time.
Recalling that events like this are not uncommon in the world.
I mean, what happened in Phoenix was by no means the most extraordinary UFO sighting in history.
As a matter of fact, I was talking to somebody, Lee and Britt Elders, and the Mexican equivalent of the anchor for 2020, and he said, did you know that there had been an actual collision and damage between a UFO and a commercial Mexican aircraft?
Anyway, why would they if it's hard to believe that there is not some kind of orchestration going with this?
It could be just that USA Today put the story up and the others realized they had some file footage and they ran to use it too because they knew they would get good ratings.
I had an example of this in my own writing career when I published Breakthrough two weeks before the publication of Breakthrough.
Parade magazine, which is very widely circulated, as you know, Sunday magazine, suddenly came out with in its celebrity section a story to the effect that I had admitted that I had temporal lobe epilepsy.
I sent them an extremely angry letter threatening to sue, and about a week or two weeks after the about three weeks later they published a retraction, a prominent retraction.
It wasn't small, it was quite large.
But the damage, I think, had been done.
My point is, I find it very difficult to believe that that was an accident, and therefore have always looked for orchestration and structure behind the scenes in this whole business.
Now, so my question here is really not, was it orchestrated?
My question is rather, why?
Was it orchestrated?
Because I've seen that kind of orchestration my own life.
One possibility that no one has mentioned, and Richard's incredibly fascinating conversation with you, by the way, I was just absolutely amazed by his ideas.
I'm telling you, if he's right, he goes up there with Moses and the other prophets.
And if he's wrong, it was a very, very interesting try.
In any case, maybe they have found out what this is, and it's being built up to be torn down.
Or they think that they can convince the public like they did with the crop circles some years ago when they had that ridiculous business of Doug and Dave marching around with boards on their feet and chains.
You know, that ended the coverage of crop circles in the United States permanently.
Again, referencing the deaths, one obviously a murder of a NASA scientist, computer scientist, and the other ostensibly said to be an accident with a tree falling on the fellow who had overall management responsibility for Mars Pathfinder and more.
All robot craft exploring beyond Earth.
If you imagine the worst, Whitley, it's enough to reduce you to tears.
Well, obviously it's possible that there is somebody here who does not want us to understand who they are and what they're doing.
In which case we would then view the efforts that are made to get the sort of halting efforts that are made to reveal things such as what I think is going to happen shortly with regard to Roswell and some more Air Force disclosures.
Anyway, it can be read as an attempt on the part of a trapped government to squeeze what information it can out.
It can also be read as an attempt on the part of a government which has mishandled something very important, quite badly, to keep things, to keep a cap on things.
The point is that there's lots of different ways of looking at every one of these issues.
And it's important not to close the door because so much of this is in question.
Like, for example, we don't actually have any idea what a UFO is.
We all assume they must be alien spacecraft, but who knows?
We actually don't know at all.
That's right.
We don't know what the close encounter experience is or even if the two things are related.
We're really in the dark about all of this.
And it's another reason, by the way, why if this does represent some sort of misshapen official attempt to handle the whole thing, it shows that we have no idea how to handle something like this.
I mean, I'm referring to the sudden explosion of interest months after the events and the ridiculous posturing by the governor and on and on.
And it seems like a display of extraordinary incompetence to suddenly have what is, after all, old news appear on the TV to the point where friends who are unconnected with this recalling me all day and talking about the sightings that happened in Phoenix yesterday.
I mean, I thought all day about it, and you could take the position that, well, the USA Today ran a story and everybody else came along.
Well, the USA Today is a good newspaper, but it doesn't really push network agendas the way, say, the Post does, Washington Post or the New York Times.
So I am convinced, and again, when you begin sort of ruminating about the implications of this kind of managed news, it's, again, almost enough to reduce you to tears because we're supposed to have a free, open press.
Now, I watched during the Rancho Santa Fe business, the way the press handled things, and I learned, Whitley, that the press will tell a story the way they want to tell it, and God help anybody who gets in the way with facts.
They don't want to hear them.
If it spoils the way they want to tell the story, they will roundly ignore any fact that gets in the way.
That's bad enough, but to imagine that there's somebody out there capable of snapping their fingers and causing coverage for some as yet unknown reason of an event in Phoenix is just, it's horrendous.
And yet I cannot come to any other conclusion.
I can't.
There was no triggering event except maybe Roswell.
We're not there just yet, but we're getting there.
And there's a story in Time magazine about Roswell.
There's been some coverage in the New York Times about it.
And I think that there's probably a substantial number of people in the media who would like to use public interest in the Roswell incident to bring closure to the whole UFO issue, to end it, to the same way the crop circles were ended.
Somebody just sent me the Benson cartoon, and there's an article below it entitled Editorial Cartoonist Unapologetic Amid Storm Over Bombing Image, and they show it here.
And again, it shows that very famous photograph of the fireman with the poor child in his arms.
And Benson has relabeled the fireman's badge to say death penalty fanatics.
And the baby, the baby is saying, please, no more killing.
And the fireman is looking down at the baby, if you recall the shot, saying in Benson's caption, oh, stop your whining.
And I think that Steve Benson ought to be flushed like a bad dream.
And I am urging my listeners, not only in Phoenix, but everywhere across the country, to call the Arizona Republic and tell them to flush this guy.
Goodbye, Benson.
Go somewhere else.
Go take this kind of trash somewhere else.
Am I being clear enough?
So if you are as offended as I am by this, and I really am, and so are a lot of people, then make your voice heard.
Call the Arizona Republic.
Jam their phone lines with your opinion.
You see, Mr. Benson, who stands next to and many times behind the First Amendment in authoring this kind of trash, needs to understand the First Amendment cuts two ways, both ways, ladies and gentlemen.
It cuts both ways.
you have a right to express your opinion as do i mister benson is as i am a public uh...
All right, look, we're about to tell you what's occurred in Roswell, but again, here comes a facts from Carol in Mesa.
Actually, Carrie and Carol.
Dear Art, here's a thought.
After hearing what Bill Hamilton, Francis, and Richard had to say this evening, it got us to thinking and talking, if indeed there are feds here, NASA folks here, KGB here, military troops here.
Now I have to ask, why?
Why would they need to declare martial law here?
What would prompt it?
Is it possible that they have received the wow signal from out there and have some advance warning that a landing is going to take place?
It surely would be the government's reaction to declare a state of emergency should that occur.
And of course, the Russians would be present as well.
In 1947, either the same day or the day before there was a UFO crasher in Phoenix.
Now, what if Roswell has, all these years, been the decoy and the real action or activity took place here?
And on the 50th anniversary, someone is coming back.
One of the investigators, Whitley, who is analyzing the video from Phoenix, suggested the other night on national TV, NBCI saw it.
He said, you know, what if, in essence, what if the very fact that we are talking about them, thinking about them, beginning to celebrate the 50th anniversary, what if that fact in itself is enough, going back to this telepathic communication angle, to in effect bring them back?
It is a question that goes in my life back for many years.
I have since, I guess it was in 1989 that I realized that there probably was some sort of cover-up going on.
And the reason I realized this is that one of my uncles, Colonel Edward Streeber, after reading Communion, I guess it was in 88 that this happened, told me that he had been aware of what went on at Wright Field back in the late 40s and introduced me to General Arthur Eckson,
who told me that he was quite involved in it and that everyone from Truman on down had known that it was a craft of unknown origin, probably from another world almost immediately after it Had been found.
And I used some of the things that they said in my book Majestic because they made me promise that I would not state any of the details that they discussed with me as fact.
My uncle subsequently has passed away, and I've sort of been left with that promise.
So I have never gone into too much detail about what he said.
But one of the things that we did discuss was why there would be so much secrecy.
And he said, well, I have a theory.
And it was a kind of abstruse theory relating to the fact that our acknowledgement of their presence enables them to come into our world.
And it had something to do with the physics of perception.
I wrote a short story about it called The Open Doors, which I think expressed his fears, and certainly the way they were communicated to me, very clearly and might just be the reason why this state of denial exists.
I mean, to the point where it's, when we begin to talk about the latest Roswell thing, it's going to be quite clear that they are willing to go to almost comical lengths to continue this denial, even beyond, far beyond the point where it makes any sense.
So then many years go by, and we finally, while the public is suspicious, knowing that it was not a balloon, thinking it was not a balloon all the time, 1994 arrives.
The Air Force announces, well, okay, folks, it's true.
We lied to you originally and that it was not a balloon.
It was what we called a balloon train, which ostensibly was put up to detect Russian nuclear testing, should it have occurred.
And so we lied, but here's the real truth.
It's a different kind of balloon.
Now, pending the 50th anniversary coming up in July of Roswell, we are now about to get yet another explanation from the Air Force.
Do you want to tell everybody what they're going to say?
Well, whether they'll say this or not, I don't know.
But this certainly is the rumor.
And it was more than a rumor on KSAT-TV here in San Antonio night before last when the story was broken.
But they haven't published anything yet.
It could be that this has been leaked to see whether or not it has any chance of being accepted.
And if that's the case, then we'll never see it.
But right now, what it appears is this.
They're going to claim that it was a craft.
That it was a lifting body that had been designed by two men, the Horton brothers, who were extraordinary airframe designers from Germany who had been brought over here after the war.
And that this lifting body contained either a dummy or dummies or a pilot.
I'm not sure what they'll ultimately, I've heard more than one story about that.
A body which can, essentially what they're talking about is a very, very good glider to make it simple.
Okay.
That this body would be raised on a balloon train, again, to a high altitude and then floated over the Soviet Union, then released where it would presumably do reconnaissance and glide off of Soviet territory before coming to a stop.
Now, from a scientific standpoint, even if you're not a scientist, the story is laughable.
I'll tell you why it's laughable.
The rotational winds of this planet, the idea was that the thing had been released from white sands and it crashed.
And that's what this was all about, that there was a craft and the craft that crashed was this thing.
If it had been released from white sands into the upper atmosphere, which always flows in the same direction from west to east, it's rotationally driven and retarded by the counter-rotation of the moon in the opposite direction.
A fact that was as well known then as it is today.
It's not been a secret for quite a long time how the upper atmosphere works.
It would have had to float over the entire United States, over the Atlantic, over Europe, and over the whole of the Western Eastern Soviet Union, and into Siberia before it would make any difference because any atomic test they would have carried out would take place in Siberia.
In other words, it would have had to fly farther than a manned balloon has yet gone.
And in other words, it's Utterly absurd.
It would have been released at the least in Europe somewhere.
And in any case, the thing would have been an absolute sitting duck.
It never would have made it anywhere.
That pilot might as well have just shot himself in the head before they even took off because he was not coming home.
One story is that there was a pilot in it who was killed.
The other story is that there was a dummy or dummies in it.
But in any case, the most interesting thing about this is not whether or not it could be true.
I think it's not true.
they get kept the trip they may have to breathe that they may bring forward to show that craft if Well, if so, it's going to be something that they cobbled together out of old materials in the past.
I can't imagine that what comes out will actually be this story because it's so utterly absurd.
If it is this story, then there needs to be some hiring and firing done in their propaganda department because it would be difficult to believe that this would wash with the public.
Although, I mean, you got back to the crop circle story, and everybody laughed about Doug and Dave, and then it ended.
It just disappeared from the face of the earth.
Maybe it's an attempt to try the same thing again.
The people who won't stop asking questions are not going to be stopped by this.
Let me put it that way.
But it might be that you'll see it prominently displayed in the New York Times, snickered about on national public radio, laughed about on CNN, etc.
and so forth.
And it will be used as a sort of a psychological method of closing the Roswell story forever.
In that sense, it might be a very serious effort.
It might actually work pretty well.
And it will do exactly to the Roswell story what Doug and Dave did to the crop circle story, which was to take it forever out of the foreground and put it in the background.
But it just festers in the background.
Because I bet you that if you walked up to 10 people on the street in this country and asked them what a crop circle was, they would all say something mysterious that occurs in England.
They would all know what it was, and none of them would think that the crop circles were made by Doug and Dave or any such conventional means.
So it doesn't really work.
It's just a method of enabling the public media to quit talking about it.
And I've been really close to this on a personal basis.
And I wouldn't say that it's at all obvious that it's going to be a sweetness and light deal.
What I've come into contact with is real visitors.
Then some of them are real tough birds.
And they did not seem to be particularly friendly.
I mean, I cannot imagine them, for example, dancing with anybody or anything.
It's just or telling a joke.
It's not going to happen.
I think that there's a very interesting possibility here, though, because we're going to publish a book in December that Annie and I have written together called The Communion Letters.
I've got a couple of things I've got to cover, and we'll do the news to relax a few moments, and we'll be back to you.
This note, everybody, hi, Art.
Just thought I'd let you know, if you haven't already heard, Ted Coppel just announced the subject for tomorrow night's Nightline broadcast is going to be the frogs of Minnesota.
What are they trying to tell us?
Evidently, yet another subject that you have been covering for months now has been, in quotes, discovered by the mainstream media.
Synchronicity indeed.
Larry from Medford, Oregon.
Oh, yes, Larry.
Synchronistic indeed.
It is what I call the quickening.
And it is the subject of my book.
And when we come back, we will talk to Whitley a little bit about that and much more that's going on.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 19th, 1997.
This is Art Bell, and my guest is Whitley Streeber.
In a moment, I'm going to have some information for you on the web that relates to the Phoenix sightings, recent articles on the Phoenix sightings, and the Benson cartoon.
Just in case you have not seen it yet, we have arranged for you to see it with a link on our website, of course, due to the incredibly quick, reactive action of Keith Rowland, my webmaster.
I am exceptionally disturbed by the Benson cartoon originally reported on my program last night and then breaking as a national news story during the day.
And I mean, I'm not just slightly disturbed by it.
I am disgusted by it.
I am angered by it.
I just got fax from Doc down in Phoenix, who will frequently fax me about things.
And he suggests that I have simply no idea what the First Amendment means.
He says Benson's cartoon, disgusting.
Yes, outrageous, yes.
The First Amendment does not protect apple pie, baseball, and the flag.
It protects the oddballs like Benson.
You would have objected to the photo of the Vietnamese girl running naked from a napalm attack being published also.
You don't have any idea, he says, what the Bill of Rights mean.
Doc, yes, I do.
The only thing, Doc, is that I understand that it's for everybody, not just Benson.
It's for Art Bell, too.
You see?
Benson's a public person.
Art Bell's a public person.
Sure, Benson came after me.
I got angry.
I thought about going to a lawyer.
I consulted with them.
They said, you know, you're a public person.
And, yeah, you can sue.
This is probably something you can go litigate about if you want to, but we suggest you don't even bother.
Well, fine.
But there is one thing, Doc, that you don't understand about the First Amendment, and that is, brother, that it cuts both ways.
In other words, I have a forum, and I have my First Amendment rights too, Doc.
And as far as I'm concerned, what Benson has done is so disgusting, so beyond the pale, that I am calling for my listeners across the country, because he's nationally syndicated, to call up the Arizona Republic newspaper and begin a dump Benson campaign or a flush Benson campaign, depending on which phrase you like the best.
And by the way, the Arizona Republic switchboard telephone number is Area Code 602-271-8000.
That's area code 602-271-8000.
And the switchboard opens at 7 a.m. Pacific Time, which Arizona is presently on.
7 o'clock in the morning.
You can begin calling.
and if you have not yet seen the Benson cartoon then hold on to your hat because I've got information coming up next the the the the
Quickly to of all places adjacent to Phoenix, Mesa, Arizona, where all the action seems to be, here is my webmaster, Keith Rowland.
You have done your usual fine work, and would you please tell everybody if they come up to my website right now, what you have just put up there for their edification?
Okay, I'll run down real quick here so we can get on with the program.
In our latest news and items area, we have a couple items at the top.
One is listed as Benson Cartoon Links, and another one is more interest on Phoenix UFOs.
If you click on either one of those two links, it'll take you over to our related web links page.
And this is the page where I like to accumulate all the different links for the various topics that we talk about in the program and things that interest people.
So once you click on one of those two top items on the home page, you'll go to our links page.
And what I have there is a few links over to the Arizona Republic newspaper.
The first one being the cartoon itself, the Benson cartoon, you click on that, you'll go over there and you'll get their page and show the cartoon.
The second link goes to an article that one of the columnists had wrote regarding the hubbub about the cartoon.
So there's another article there about the cartoon controversy.
Okay, then after that, we have a few more links for the Phoenix UFO sightings.
Also in the Arizona Republic is a new story also dated today, June the 20th, covering all the things that have happened regarding the new coverage of this episode, talking about even Francis Barwood and all the stories that have been running on the networks and so on.
And they cover a lot of details.
And there's a very lengthy article on the web with some links to some other stories that they've done.
They talk about Governor Fife Symington and what he's done.
And they cover, they have some quotes and a pretty good little story on the website there for people to look at.
And then we still have another link to the CNN story and some of the original links to some of the websites that have some of the original pictures from a few months back.
And I have this feeling that if we are to be saved in terms of information flow that is not restricted by nor controlled by the government, it is the World Wide Web.
As I said before, I thought that it seems hard to believe that they're going to release this.
And yet, if you read this month's Popular Science, which has a story on Roswell, it certainly suggests that they think that it was some kind of an exotic aircraft connected with something called Project Paperclip.
Again, an aircraft designed by these two people, Horton brothers.
Now, it could be that if that's true, what the Air Force is really trying to cover up with this latest story is the fact that an extraordinarily advanced aircraft did crash at that time that was one of ours.
The problem is it's been 50 years.
Why continue to try to cover that up?
It doesn't make sense because surely whatever technology was present in an aircraft then would be common knowledge by now.
And in addition, the Project Paperclip, which I've known about in the past, As I understand it, was not an operational project, but more of a it was speculative.
And the popular science article seems to imply a belief that the ship that they were referring to was actually built.
I don't think that the materials that they had available in those days would have been able to sustain a structure moving as fast as this aircraft was supposed to be able to move.
I want to turn the conversation for just a second, and then after the bottom of the hour, we'll go to the phone.
So, you know, everybody's going nuts trying to get through here, and I understand that.
Tomorrow night, Ted Koppel is going to be covering the mutation of frogs, something that I've been covering for a very, very long time, along with other ecological problems that we're presently experiencing, that which I put in my book.
And it's called The Quickening, and I believe firmly, Whitley, that we really are undergoing a quickening.
It may be going faster than even I thought when I wrote the book.
We've got an ice shelf about to break off in the Antarctic.
We've got single-celled animals in the Antarctic beginning to show DNA structural changes, which is really frightening.
We've got ozone holes opening up that are astronomically large.
Changes occurring in the ocean.
We've got hysteria, this really weird fish problem, and this bacterium that lies at the bottom of the ocean waiting for pesticides or whatever it is that we throw in the water to activate.
And the problem with it is that at the moment, we believe that the El Niños have to do only with surface water.
In other words, the water within 50 feet of the surface.
But if that's not true, and if this energy is dissipated in part beneath the surface, the heat energy I mean, and it causes changes in ocean currents, it could cause very, very extraordinary changes in weather patterns and so forth.
As it is, it means that Indonesia and northern Australia are going to experience a very severe drought at a time of year when it's usually quite wet, especially in Indonesia.
So it's a symptom that El Nio, like the Larson Ice Shelf we discussed a few months ago becoming unstable, is a symptom.
And, you know, people think, well, they always say, well, what can we do about this?
The National Weather Service is beginning to issue some really alarming bulletins about this building, El Niño.
And it was documented, by the way, before they began talking about it, by Stan Deo, who simply looks at temperature differences at the ocean point and saw these hotspots building.
Incredible hotspots.
And that was a precursor to the announcement about the El Niño.
Well, I think that now we'll get into more of the philosophical, I suppose, but I think that it's almost a done deal.
My contention in this book is that we are headed toward an event, that all of this, socially, economically, in every single endeavor, human endeavor, is headed toward some kind of event.
I'm not a prophet, but you have had contact with others, and I wonder if they have ever mentioned to you anything about this, or whether there has been any sort of communication to you about the way things are progressing here.
Yeah, I've had the usual feeling that so many people who have the closest encounter experience are left with, that there is a sense of urgency about the state of the planet that's very serious.
That's been a feature of my experience right along.
You know, I have inside myself a sense of peace, though, that has come to me after having dealt with this for so many years and having lived with these very fundamental questions for so long and knowing that I can't really answer them.
Gradually you come to the point where you want to take action, but you find yourself you can't be overwhelmed.
And I don't feel at all overwhelmed.
I feel as if as a species that we're here and in the end we're going to make this work for ourselves.
But I think it's probable that we're going to go through some change.
Yeah, a lot of change and environmental consequences that are really a result not of environmental indiscretion so much as just the simple fact that there are many more human beings maybe on the planet than it can sustain for long.
Well, let me tell you what I have out now, just so that everybody knows.
What's out right now is this story, The Open Doors, I believe I referred to earlier, that gives what is my idea of what the possible, one of the possible reasons for the cover-up may be.
And it's in a book called Revelations that's out now, a HarperCollins book.
Also from HarperCollins will come the Communion Letters in December.
Okay, and people should know you can get Whitley's books in any bookstore, or if they don't happen to have it there, their computer will quickly find it and get it on its way.
All right, Whitley, here we go.
Let's see what's out there.
First time call our line.
You're on the air with Art Bell and Whitley Streeber.
Well, first of all, hypnotizability varies from person to person and it can be tested.
There's a test called the eye roll test, which a qualified practitioner can use to tell whether or not you'll be hypnotizable and how hypnotizable you'll be.
Now as to what it does, well, hypnosis is not a call for the truth.
It focuses the attention, relaxes the person, and focuses the attention on the desires of the person doing the hypnosis rather than the individual being hypnotized.
Now this is a two-edged sword.
One, it enables you to concentrate quite wonderfully.
It's an amazing experience in that sense.
Two, the bad side of it is that you have a tendency to provide the hypnotist with a narrative that they want to hear.
In other words, you want to please the hypnotist.
That happens under hypnosis.
I work presently with a psychologist I've been working with for about a year who puts me under hypnosis and is completely silent after she puts me under hypnosis.
She says nothing whatsoever.
She doesn't ask any questions.
She just basically sits there and waits.
And we generally set up a plan of it beforehand.
And I find that I'm very well able to carry out the whole process without any input from anyone at all.
And I think probably it's a good way of going if you're going to try hypnosis.
I've had success with it.
I had success with it with Dr. Donald Klein, and I'm having success with it now.
When you get into trouble with it, it's when the hypnotist is asking leading questions and you construct a narrative.
And then you're in trouble because you don't know for sure whether it's your imagination or a real memory from then on.
Well, what I would recommend is that, first of all, you work with a licensed practitioner of some kind, a certified hypnotherapist if they have that in your state, or a licensed psychologist or somebody.
I would not work with an unlicensed practitioner for the simple reason that they don't have the same level of responsibility as someone who's maintaining a license and probably not the same level of expertise either.
I would, in general, look to see if you could find someone who is neutral about the UFO issue and the alien issue, who has no or is willing to deal with you from the standpoint of having no particular beliefs one way or another.
If they have beliefs about it, let them keep them to themselves.
How you came upon this what would be very secret information?
unidentified
People who worked in the secret areas.
I mean, after a while, you just get tired of holding things inside of you, and I guess you just start babbling, you know.
But now they've had this stuff for many years, and this is where they told me the basis of all this new plastics and polymers, these long-chain polymers.
And for Whitley, Whitley, my feeling and intuitive information I'm getting about this Phoenix thing and the alien thing is that there are two camps or three or four camps of aliens that are here in one form or another, and they've infiltrated the government and the media, and they are pulling strings, i.e.
That's a real interesting idea because there's something, it's beginning to look like spin control out of control.
I mean, you have governor dancing around and jumping through hoops while darting out of a courtroom to find out whether or not he's going to go to jail.
You have a seemingly hilarious story coming out of the Air Force, one which I suspect is going to have far more impact than we can really imagine, because it's going to be inexplicably adopted as gospel by the media.
And you also have the oddest thing of all, which is that this Phoenix stuff would crop up all of a sudden months after it's over.
Because after all, right now we're not having any UFO sightings.
We're just having a media storm that seems to have come up out of nowhere.
And it is like, it's as if there is somebody, some kind of crazed orchestration taking place in the background with a lot of arguments going on about how to do it, too.
And that maybe there are different camps.
but one thing is certainly whoever's trying to do it is not handling it with any degree of skill at all.
And an interesting thing on the killings, Art and Whitley, These killings, I reported them as they occurred.
One was obviously or seems to be a murder, maybe random act of violence, maybe.
Maybe.
And the other is being reported as an accident.
However, I'm not trying to suggest there is some great conspiracy, but it is worth noting that both of these men were in very specific sensitive positions.
Okay, well, four days ago, I have these really incredible, lucid dreams, and I was observing these, I'll call them, other entities in my dreams killing people.
And I said, why the killing?
Why are you killing people?
Stop the killing.
And then I was transported to someplace else in the dream and wasn't given the answer.
Yeah, I was about to say I'm a lot less worried about the visitors and my own personal safety than I am about the two-legged ones walking around down here.
What worries me about the close encounter experience is this, that if it's something that we can't control and that they are as negative as people like Colonel Corso say, they're going to transform our society and our lives in ways that are going to make it really unpleasant to live here.
And that's what I don't want to see because despite all of the troubles in this world, a lot of people have very satisfactory lives right now, and I want to see that grow, not get less.
It was obvious to Anne and I back as we began to realize there was all kinds of government involvement and cover-ups and people from Washington started wanting to come up to our old cabin and so on and so forth that there was clearly an element of danger involved, just from a human standpoint.
Not only God knows what the visitors are or what they may do.
It was pretty intense when they drove us out of the cabin.
We were attacked financially by Chemical Bank, by their trying to get us to sign papers agreeing to pay more on a loan than we owed them, and then suing us when we wouldn't do that.
And in the meantime, money was withheld from us, and we had people putting cans of gasoline in the basement of the house.
The police would not investigate.
And finally, when the courts fantastically sided with the bank, even though I could show canceled checks to the effect that I had paid the loan on time, I left because I was scared to stay.
It was too much for me.
I felt that I was driven out of that house by an intentional, orchestrated act of persecution.
And I'm just one guy.
I'm not going to fight that.
I left.
I came down home to Texas where I know all kinds of people, and it's not so easy to kick me around.
If they want to kick me around in the courts, I'm going to have to work hard to do it.