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May 16, 1997 - Art Bell

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	Welcome to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from May 16th, 1997.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be.
	Friday night, Saturday morning, once again.
	From the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains in the west, eastward, to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands.
	Good morning in the islands.
	South into South America.
	North to the bowl and worldwide on the internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning.
	Open lines.
	All night long tonight.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	The Week in Review.
	What you think is coming.
	Oh!
	I do have one little item for you.
	On the 23rd, that would be one week from tonight, at the stroke of midnight in my time zone, we are going to receive a call from, not make one too, because that would disclose his secret location and secret identity.
	We will receive a call from Victor.
	Now, who is Victor?
	You may recall, there was footage shown, like two or three seconds of it, of an alien supposedly being interrogated at Area 51.
	And they had various experts in that area.
	If you can have an expert in that area, Whitley Streber was one of them.
	Very emotional about what he saw.
	And I've got a little gem for you this morning.
	The second photograph, and this has been seen nowhere else as far as I know, It is up on my website as of this moment.
	It is of the same alien, obviously, with a doctor with white gloves, and they have blanked out the doctor's face, tending to, or poking, or prodding, or doing something to this creature.
	Well, photograph number two arrived today.
	and as I normally would I put it immediately up on the website so if you want to see it it has not ever been seen before it is at www.artbell.com take a look let me know what you think next week we get an opportunity to interview Victor, now he will be using a voice changing devices.
	Well, maybe he will be using, plural, I don't know.
	He will be using a voice changing or modifying device.
	And they work actually quite well.
	And as a matter of fact, I like mine so much, I went out and got one after I heard it someplace or another.
	I can't recall when I went out and got a voice changer.
	I don't know, about a year ago.
	So that whenever I want, I can modify my voice.
	And actually, to give you an idea of what can be done, I can modify my voice in more ways than one.
	For example, I can take it anywhere I want, very low, or I can begin to take it very high until you can barely tell that I have male parts at all.
	So, he'll be using one of those.
	And we'll be interviewing him, uh, At the midnight, the stroke of midnight hour on the 23rd.
	And I wonder if any of you think that I should bring somebody along to do the interview.
	Maybe Whitley.
	He's very emotional about this.
	He might not want to do it.
	Maybe somebody else.
	I don't know.
	We'll see.
	Anyway, if you want to see the second photograph.
	And I think this is one of the ones that was particularly disturbing to Whitley.
	It's there now.
	The space shuttle has successfully docked with Mir.
	And there is a new American, actually a British-born, I guess, American, going on Mir.
	Now, I am still not satisfied that Mir is safe.
	NASA, of course, went through a great Great amounts of toil and trouble doing interviews all last week to say that Mir was safe as far as NASA was concerned.
	Or they would never send another American up there.
	I don't know how I feel about that.
	I think perhaps they protest a bit much.
	Anyway, I got a fax today from somebody who Mr. Rosenthal, as you might imagine, had a fax blizzard back in Washington.
	And I mean blizzard.
	And I had one fax from somebody who said he talked to Mr. Rosenthal's boss, who said that Mr. Rosenthal got angry, very angry, and threw all of them in the trash.
	So that is as much feedback as I have had from our Mr. Rosenthal thus far.
	He's angry and he has trashed all our faxes.
	Now, of course, that word comes from a listener, somebody who had managed to get in touch with not Mr. Rosenthal, because he wasn't talking to any of you, I guess, but his boss.
	So he got angry and trashed them all.
	President Clinton issued the nation's apology to the eight remaining, that's only eight folks, remaining survivors of the Tuskegee experiment, Friday.
	The president said the U.S.
	government did something, quote, deeply and profoundly, unquote, wrong.
	I wonder why they put the unquote prior to the wrong part.
	The President said I apologize and I am sorry.
	The original experiment involved 400 black men who were left untreated for syphilis so that we might understand medically what occurs when a black man is not treated for syphilis and by the way the answer is the same thing that happens to a white man who was left untreated for syphilis That's the answer.
	And you know what it made me wonder?
	It makes me wonder what we're going to be apologizing for, oh, say, 50 years from now.
	What do you think a president, 50 years from now, is going to have to come on the television, or the 3D machine by then, The Holographic Image Generator, and apologize for.
	That, by God, back in 1997, we were barbarians, ladies and gentlemen, in this country.
	And we have to apologize.
	What for, though?
	Well, we can only imagine, today, what they're doing, if they did this, then.
	Of course, Tuskegee isn't the only example.
	We went through this the other night, you know.
	Our government fed plutonium to pregnant women and children and all kinds of things so that we could check the effects of that.
	Remember?
	Hazel O'Leary, the Energy Secretary, informed us about that one.
	So today, we apologized for Tuskegee.
	And my mind then goes to, okay, 50 years from now, what do you think our president then, whoever it might be, or leader or dictator, Uh, we'll have to apologize for.
	Which is another way of asking what dastardly stuff you think we're doing at the moment.
	Oh, you don't think we're doing anything, uh, really?
	You think we have become... like the driven snow?
	Pure?
	I have a bridge for you.
	And I'll even sew you the water that runs underneath it.
	O.J.
	Simpson, getting this now just right, wearing ragged pants with a hole in the back, says he has no mind and he's going to have to move out of his mansion.
	All because of the wrongful death damage award against him.
	The $33.5 million.
	His lawyer says he has, in fact, earned about $400,000 since the beginning of the year.
	And this is May, right?
	So, I think that was a nice touch.
	When you do a press conference to indicate to the world that you're broke, you go and you find a pair of old pants with a hole in the back.
	You do that for press conferences where you're talking about judgments against you and visits to the IRS?
	Defense Secretary William Cohen is urging a very reluctant Congress to close more military bases?
	Haven't we done about enough of that?
	Haven't we closed enough bases yet?
	The new Miss USA is beautiful.
	From Hawaii, I guess?
	And she is a real winner.
	That is, the new Miss Universe, actually.
	She was Miss USA, and now, of course, she took it all, folks.
	The USA took it all.
	This is a very interesting, disturbing Associated Press story,
	indicating that the commander of NATO and US...
	forces in Europe said Monday, he is checking a report that, get this now folks, recent malfunctions have switched Russian nuclear missiles to, quote, combat mode, unquote, on several occasions.
	Reports we've seen up to this date have been that the nuclear warheads have been properly cared for.
	Now bear in mind it says up until this date.
	But this brings another bit of information and we're going to have to assess and look into it.
	Now there's a lot more to the story but that is the nutshell.
	Now of course they're claiming they have codes And other things that would prevent a launch.
	But why am I not real warm and fuzzy hearing that Russian ICBMs have been automatically, I say again, automatically switching themselves into combat mode?
	In the world of things that are okay, that's not.
	In my opinion.
	All right, look, this is going to be open lines tonight, and, um, anything you want to talk about, anything at all, is fair game.
	It is, I warn you, a Friday night, Saturday morning, and, um, you know, that means, uh, you better buckle in, because, uh, when I open the lines and I don't screen calls, truly, truly, anything can happen.
	We'll get the numbers out and begin this odyssey, and you never know where it's going in a moment.
	All right, prepare for the unexpected.
	For here we go.
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	I always want to put the 1 there.
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	morning from australia
	as promised comes stand
	dale and uh... there are a number of urgent warnings
	and so forth on his web sites who's got a lot to say stand a l backed by popular request
	My network really loves it when I have guests on from Australia and Britain and various locations around the country.
	But we do it around the world.
	So having said all that, you've got the numbers and away we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	Yes, sir.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Oh, I did, sir.
	Good.
	Oh, it's my pleasure to speak to you.
	And where are you?
	I'm Mark calling from West Dallas, Wisconsin.
	All right, Mark.
	Mark, I hear your radio on again.
	Honey, turn it down, please.
	Must have a little rubber thing on it where it bounces back there.
	I just handed my wife the radio.
	I can't believe I got through to you.
	I wanted her to hear it.
	Well, all right.
	Well, I just want to, you know, good evening, Mr. and Mrs. America and all the ships you see in space.
	Yeah.
	And what a, you know, a great thing.
	Have you had a chance to see the movie, The Fifth Element?
	I'm dying to see the movie, The Fifth Element.
	Would you like to hear a mark scale of 1 to 10?
	I would, sir.
	A 6.
	A 6?
	A 6.
	That sounds... I would put that almost in the disappointed territory.
	Not quite, I guess, but... It's a 50-50.
	Really?
	Yes, sir.
	Well, now... Do you want to say... No, do not tell us anything that gives away the plot.
	Oh, of course not.
	Um, but you could, you could perhaps, no pun intended, give us some idea of what element disappointed you?
	Oh, geez.
	Um, just the plot line, the story development, the character development, things like that.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh, you know, it's worth it to see it once, maybe, if you really enjoy space science fiction.
	How frequently do you watch a movie?
	How many movies are there that you can think of that you have watched multiple times?
	As far as... I mean, some movie that you love so much that you just keep watching it again and again like a record you play that you love.
	I like the Star Trek series.
	Uh-huh.
	You know, 1, 2, 6, or whatever they're up to.
	Star Wars series.
	You know, stuff on that scale.
	Okay, well if that's true, then that renders more...
	Kind of underscores your opinion of the fifth element.
	You know, the leaders on TV are absolutely incredible.
	Yes.
	Oh, it's got very spectacular special effects, you know, scenes, but you kind of don't get enough of it.
	All right, I've got you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	I appreciate that.
	So, a six, he rates it.
	One of the movies I was really looking forward to.
	So, that's one opinion.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hi, Art.
	In the spring of 2047, the President will be apologizing for the atrocities that were committed back in 2001 when President Perot ordered the invasion of Canada.
	You mean we were not kind to the Canadians?
	Well, it was going fairly well until About June, when things got out of hand and they nuked Moose Jaw, and well, it was pretty much downhill from there.
	So you think Perot, elected in the next major election, would... Why would he take Canada, first of all?
	And how would he take it?
	I've always wondered about that.
	With Ross, who can tell?
	That's true.
	Um, I did a little thing on that one time where we ruminated about what was called the Canadian Invasion Plan.
	I remember that.
	And the master answer that I finally got was that Americans, G.I.s, with so many women now in the military, would masquerade as honeymooners.
	And we would cross at Niagara Falls in force.
	And their country would be gone before they knew what hit them.
	All in the syrup.
	Thanks for the call, sir.
	You have a good morning.
	That was the best Canadian invasion plan I heard.
	All right, folks.
	That's it.
	Bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back with the unexpected.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16, 1997.
	This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast AM concert.
	What the?
	Friday night and the lights are low.
	Looking out for a place to go.
	Hey, I've got something really wild coming up for you in a moment.
	And I mean really wild.
	Anybody happen to catch 20-20 tonight?
	Unbelievable.
	day of the from the sixteen nineteen ninety seven they are not something really wild coming up for you in a
	moment anybody have a chance
	tonight on believable
	we all about it of the following from lewis
	in san diego art Bye.
	Are you still looking for the source of the soul?
	Yeah, of course I am.
	ABC's 2020 did a fascinating report tonight about a woman in her fifties who had received, get this, a heart-lung transplant, heart and lung, lungs, from a teenage boy And suddenly had the cravings of a teenage boy.
	The bottom line seemed to be that, as ABC said, the heart may be more than just a pump.
	There could be something here.
	And it might be interesting to hear what other people who saw 2020 Tonight think about this.
	Ooh, you bet that's interesting.
	I don't know how I could have missed it.
	It is the one time in I don't know how long that I've missed 2020 and they run something like this.
	Could it be true?
	You know what I would like to ask some of you?
	Heart transplants are fairly common now, aren't they?
	Fairly regular procedure.
	No, it isn't.
	Not regular.
	But done more frequently and other organs certainly have been transplanted.
	But could it be that what we think of, you know, as our soul is at least partially contained in the various organs that make us up?
	I mean nobody exactly ever told me where the soul is.
	Now, some will say the soul is esoteric and not physical, has nothing to do with the physical, but who said that's true?
	Who said that's true?
	And if a woman in her fifties begins to feel like a teenage boy after getting the parts of a teenage boy, it's gonna make you stop and scratch your head a little bit and wonder again and again about the nature of the soul.
	Did part of him, more than just physical thumping, pumping organs, transfer to her?
	God, that's interesting!
	What do you think?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Morning, Art.
	Hi, where are you?
	Dennis in Milwaukee.
	Hi, Dennis.
	Yeah, this new spacecraft, you know, all these astronauts have been going up there and Recently, they had that one woman who was up there for about six months, wasn't she?
	Yes, and even though they never quite said it, I had the distinct impression that she wasn't real happy about being there.
	Well, I was wondering, all this business with these photographs from these astronauts seen out their windows and everything, if that woman there, if you could ever get a hold of her in one way and ask her, they've been heading that Space station, up to for how many years now?
	And I was just wondering if... There is no way, sir.
	I repeat, no, I know exactly where you're going, and I would love to go there, and I appreciate the call, but that man is saying, invite a current astronaut on the program to try and tell what he or she has seen.
	And you're particularly correct when you would pick on somebody who's been up there for, say, a half year.
	That's a lot of window gazing.
	Hello.
	year isn't it? So very likely she would have seen something but the odds of her
	Hi.
	being able to talk about it are slim and none. In other words she remains on
	active duty in the astronaut Corps and there is no way in hell that even if she
	did see anything she's going to talk about it. Not until retirement don't you
	know. First time caller line you're on the air. Hi where are you? Chicago.
	I was calling between a month and two months ago.
	Would you do a favor for me?
	Sure.
	You've got to yell into your phone a little bit.
	Sorry.
	All right.
	About one or two months ago.
	There was a segment on CNN about the effects of electromagnetic waves on the body.
	Yes.
	And there was a doctor.
	They were testing to see if they could induce the effects You know what else it could cause?
	using electrodes only. And he did.
	I believe it.
	Yeah, I figured, well, it's a medical story, I'll change it.
	And I come back a few seconds later and he's talking about earth changes could affect people and this could show them,
	this could cause them to have visions of UFOs.
	You know what else it could cause?
	It could cause people to feel coming earthquakes and things like that.
	In other words, I believe that electromagnetic energy absolutely has an effect on human beings.
	In fact, it's quite well documented.
	But his thing was also that a whole population, or a whole nation, could feel it.
	Could experience the same hallucination, or the same emotion, at the same time.
	I wouldn't rule it out.
	And I was just amazed that they would put this on TV, because I've heard people talking about things like that.
	I wouldn't rule it out.
	Especially, I've heard a lot of things about, here in Chicago we've had a lot of young kids who've done horribly violent things.
	I know.
	And friends of mine talking were like, something's going on.
	Where are these kids getting this stuff?
	Oh, you may be right on the money.
	Yeah, supposedly there was some state of things that happened in some other part of the country and they were wondering, all of these kids lived near Power lines.
	It was in a city, maybe Kansas City or St.
	Louis or something.
	Right.
	And I was just, you know, thinking it was amazing that it was on TV.
	Well, let me take it a little farther.
	Yes, power lines, RF energy of the sort that I have near me, I'm a ham operator, I have a lot of it near me, is pretty well documented now to have effects on the human body.
	Now, carry it a step further.
	If there is a coming Earth change, And the magnetic influence of the Earth is beginning to change in some way.
	It's absolutely possible that either in specific areas, or even in wide areas, or maybe even worldwide, we would all be affected.
	I mean, you're dead right.
	You could be dead right.
	So, I appreciate the thought.
	What do you think about this 2020 piece?
	You heard me talk about that?
	I've heard something like that.
	There was a man, he may have been in England, but it may have been here.
	He received the heart of a teenager who had died in a drunk driving accident.
	Yes.
	The minute he woke up, he had a craving for Chicken McNuggets and beer.
	This was the last meal of the dead teenager.
	He died with Chicken McNuggets in the car next to him.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, I believe it.
	I don't know if that's deceit.
	If it's one of the seats or maybe one of the access points, or maybe this has always been happening, but like you say with the quickening, maybe 20 years ago this was happening, but the mass consciousness was not able to become aware of this.
	Dan, you are absolutely dead on.
	Thank you very much.
	Absolutely dead on.
	What do the rest of you think about that?
	There is no question that we are affected by electromagnetic energy.
	We are, in essence, electrical beings.
	Neurons firing in our brains, impulses sent, for example, so that when we hurt ourselves, or burn ourselves, we go OW!
	Well, that's a little electrical signal that was sent.
	So, would electrical signals be affected by large changing magnetic or electromagnetic fields yes of course and again it translates right back to this incredible story could it be that our soul is perhaps even evenly somehow distributed in our entire body
	You cannot rule out that possibility, and if that is true, then it gives weight to what 20-20 ran last night and tells us something about the nature of the soul, doesn't it?
	Or is it some sort of stored genetic memory?
	I don't know.
	Fascinating.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Where are you, pray tell?
	I'm in Hondo.
	My name's Steve.
	Hondo.
	Hondo what?
	We're about 40 miles west of San Antonio.
	Oh, okay.
	I listened with interest earlier in the hour on your Tuskegee comments.
	Yes.
	And how they have finally received an apology.
	Yes.
	There's a much more larger scale and a much more insidious cover-up It is long overdue for an apology.
	And that would be?
	And that would be, well, thanks to New York Magazine, a lot more unsuspecting Americans now know that the polio vaccines grown on the kidney tissues of monkeys have been contaminated with viruses and the federal government, public health agencies have known this all along.
	And it covers it up.
	All right.
	I appreciate the call, sir, and I know exactly what you're speaking about.
	However, I think that there's a big difference because I don't think they knew that from the beginning.
	Now, from the point, and we have no way of knowing, when they realized that in doing that, they would contaminate vaccines with things that would be passed from animals to humans.
	From the point they really knew, then you could talk about a cover-up.
	But look, it's not in the same category as the Tuskegee experiment, and the difference is pre-meditation.
	In Tuskegee, there was pre-meditation not to treat 400 black men who we knew to have syphilis.
	To see what would happen.
	Now, my question was, 50 years from now, from today, what do you imagine a president, if by then we still have one, will be apologizing for?
	In other words, it's another way of saying, what do you think we're doing today?
	First time caller line, you're on the air, hi!
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Wes.
	I'm calling from Springfield, Missouri.
	Yes, sir.
	It's a real pleasure to talk to you.
	I've enjoyed your show.
	I've listened to it for a year.
	It's just that it's one of the greatest things around.
	Well, it's different.
	It is certainly different.
	I'm just definitely glad that it exists.
	I had the pleasure of listening last night.
	It was one of the greatest.
	The time flew by.
	Richard Hoagland is just incredible.
	He is, yes.
	Certainly.
	Well, listen, I just had basically one thing.
	I've been reading a lot of Malachi Martin's books, before I in fact ever heard him on your show.
	And I was curious, is he ever going to be on again?
	Of course!
	Okay, well I think he's a super guest.
	Malachi will say every time that any time I ask him to come on, he will come on.
	It's as simple as that.
	He's a one of a kind, sir.
	Certainly, certainly a one of a kind.
	But I don't know if you've ever read any of his books.
	I've read several of them, and there's several things that he kind of talks about, and there's kind of a side to him in what he presents in his material that I've never heard on your show, and I've only heard him, I think, maybe twice.
	What aspect of Malachi have you not heard?
	Well, what it basically involves is his work with, I guess, the higher levels of the Vatican.
	He doesn't go into his actual dealings with it, but in the books that I've read, But he kind of really just more described the Vatican's view on politics and the state of the world, and where the world's headed in general.
	Right.
	And anyway, I've read two in particular which really seem to talk about that, and one is The Keys of This Blood, and the last one is Windswept House, his latest book.
	Yes.
	And I was just curious, if I can get you some questions that were kind of drawn from both of those books.
	If you mind, just kind of look over him sometime and see what you think.
	They're kind of interesting.
	They're good questions.
	How about if I just ask Malachi when I have him back on?
	That would be great.
	That would be great.
	Send him along.
	Huh?
	Send him along.
	I'll certainly send him, and I'll send everything that I think you would kind of need to kind of brief and, you know, to kind of fill up to it on it, and that would just be really interesting.
	I'd just like to see his responses about him.
	You know what I would like to hear him comment on?
	Is what?
	This story that I'm reading tonight about what 2020 did.
	I hadn't heard about it.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, not at all.
	Alright, then listen.
	Okay.
	2020 did a report tonight about a woman in her fifties who just received a heart and lung transplant from a teenage boy and suddenly had the cravings of a teenage boy.
	Bottom line, according to ABC, is the heart, and maybe the lungs, may be more than just What they seem to be organs, more than just a pump.
	In other words, they may actually contain some element that is us, intellectually.
	Yeah, well, I don't know.
	Looking at just what you talked about, I've done a little reading just on my own about, well, what it involves basically is alternative, really radically alternative nutritional approaches to Not so much health, but just your state of being in general.
	Yes.
	And from what I gather, whenever I heard that, I've heard people talk about that before.
	Say, for example, a heart, someone receiving an organ and having a certain addiction or a craving or something like that.
	Usually it's in the form of a joke involving an elephant trunk or something.
	I haven't heard that one either.
	I don't know.
	Well, I can't tell it, so forget it.
	Okay.
	I won't push you on that.
	Okay.
	But basically, from what a lot of these stuff that I've read, at least, and I am no expert, Each of our cells, basically, is its own unit.
	It has its own chemistry, in a way, in what we eat, particularly in the case of, say, particularly powerful narcotics or drugs, and general alcohol included.
	By constantly having those in our body, they change the individual chemistry of those cells.
	According to what these people claim, they claim that, say, for example, a fasting, a juice fast, for example, by so thoroughly cleansing each cell of your body, as you would do in, say, a Yes.
	You're changing the chemistry of each cell, and because of that, your cravings, for example, it could be even for food, or it could be even, say, for a drug particularly, is caused by those chemical imbalances.
	You're creating a chemical environment, which I guess, I suppose, that chemical becomes part of the actual process, or the metabolizing process of that cell.
	I'm no scientist.
	No, what you're saying generally sounds correct.
	Yeah.
	I believe it.
	Yeah, I was just kind of... I don't know.
	I'm just not really... I don't know if our heart and lungs could have... It would be interesting if they did.
	That would certainly be interesting.
	But that would be my take on it.
	Well, okay.
	Thank you very much.
	What you said makes some sense.
	A lot of sense, actually.
	But what is particularly intriguing here is that we're dealing with a woman in her fifties.
	Uh, who suddenly developed the cravings of a teenage boy.
	Boy!
	I mean, you could not find a bigger difference to talk about.
	Uh, to point out the prospect of this possibility being true.
	So what does this mean, if true?
	Um, could it just have been some sort of hallucination?
	Or, um, A subliminal suggestion made to her psychologically?
	Sure, it could have been.
	Or there could be really something to it.
	They apparently thought there was.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning or evening, Art.
	This is Marcus in Portland.
	You're a pistol back in Begin.
	Yes, sir.
	How are you doing?
	Fine.
	Good.
	Comment really quickly about last night's show.
	Yes, sir.
	Richard Hoagland, so good it was painful to listen to.
	I could only take it in small doses.
	Considering your reservation about a moral inability to jump the hurdle and go to the conclusion that the government or people in the government would be capable of murder, If we have a federal government which presidential administration after administration has, as Joyce Riley indicated, been willing to sacrifice the lives and welfare of 600,000 Gulf War veterans... Well, stop for a second.
	Let's talk about... I mean, they apologized today, our president did, for Tuskegee.
	Okay.
	All right.
	400 black men who had syphilis were allowed to go to the end stage.
	Death.
	Right?
	Death.
	Right.
	In the 1940s.
	What is it that our president just apologized for?
	What is the word for it?
	I would say a small slice of genocide.
	Genocide might be the right word.
	In microcosm, the regarding of black men as somehow less than human or less than fully entitled to the same rights as white men would have been granted.
	How else do you look at it?
	Very, very clinically in the long run, because most of the people who needed the apology are dead, and they're dealing now with their grandchildren or great-grandchildren.
	Well, they said the eight surviving people.
	Yeah, that makes it pretty safe.
	It's like the cases of racial discrimination we've just hit, where black men who were serving in the armed forces during World War II are now finally getting the combat medals and awards and recognition that they deserved 50 years ago.
	That's it.
	So my question again is, 50 years from now, what do you imagine Some president, if we still have one by then, might be apologizing for.
	I think two things.
	They're going to be apologizing for the cover-up of the most pivotal event in human history, Roswell, and the events thereafter.
	And they are going to be apologizing for all the atrocities done to surviving U.S.
	veterans, from the sacrifice of the 1800 MIAs in Vietnam to the 600,000 written off is expendable.
	All right.
	Well, that makes absolute sense to me.
	I appreciate your call.
	And we will continue with these themes and whatever else you want to talk about right after it's in the news.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	Coast to Coast is a musical that is about a couple of people who are in love and they're going to be together for
	a long time. It's a song about a couple of people who are in love and they're going to be together for a long time.
	We gotta get right back to where we gotta go Love is good, love can be strong.
	We gotta get right back to where we started from.
	Good morning.
	I'll kind of fill you in briefly on where we've been and where we're going and then you can go anywhere you want to go.
	You can move by the little...
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired May 16th, 1997.
	Good morning. I'll kind of fill you in briefly on where we've been and where we're going,
	and then you can go anywhere you want to go. Doesn't matter.
	We'll do all that in just a moment.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Friday night, Saturday morning, and let me tell you, it's going to be all open lines, all night long.
	you know unless something happens otherwise and i never know
	with regard to yesterday's program of mister rosenthal the associate press
	uh... reporter Apparently, uh, was besieged with, uh, mountains of faxes from all of you.
	And, um... Nobody, save one person, uh, was able to talk.
	Actually, nobody talked to him today, really.
	He didn't want to talk to anybody.
	But somebody out there talked to, uh, his boss.
	And his boss relayed to this person, so it's all third-hand.
	The fact that Mr. Rosenthal got angry and threw away all of our faxes.
	Just threw them away.
	So that's all we know right now.
	Wait word from Mr. Rosenthal.
	I'm not holding my breath.
	I don't want to pass on that quickly.
	Um, the shuttle has docked with Mir and we'll put yet another American on Mir.
	And I am not satisfied that Mir is safe, despite the week-long blitz by NASA saying that it is now safe.
	I don't think it is.
	The President of the United States issued an apology to the eight surviving members of the Tuskegee experiment.
	He said what the U.S.
	government did was deeply and profoundly wrong, and, quote, I apologize and I am sorry.
	Unquote.
	And it causes me to wonder what the president is going to be apologizing for, if we have one, 50 years from now.
	That's the question I want to ask.
	I mean, we are apologizing.
	You put a word to it.
	There were 400 black men.
	We let them go to terminal stage with syphilis.
	What is the appropriate word For that action.
	One person called and said genocide.
	Maybe that's the right word.
	At any rate, it causes me to wonder what we're going to be apologizing for fifty years from now.
	If anybody has that answer, or a guess, you'd be welcome to call in.
	O.J.
	Simpson, um, says he is broke.
	Uh, he wore ragged pants with a hole in the back.
	Says he's got no money.
	Gonna have to move out of the mansion.
	This is tragic.
	The $33.5 million settlement against him is the problem.
	He only earned $400,000 since the beginning of the year.
	settlement against him is the problem he only earned $400,000 since the beginning
	of the year. Only $400,000. A hole in his pants.
	And I said earlier, the only two places you do that are when you go into a news conference to tell the world you're broke, and when you go to see the IRS.
	Honey, get me that pair of pants with a hole in the back, will you?
	Our Defense Secretary Cohen is talking about more base closures.
	It would seem that Congress is not wild about that idea.
	Oh, here's a fax in response.
	Hi Art, it's been a long time since I faxed your show.
	It's Ray from Santee.
	Wanted to know what the government might apologize for in 50 years.
	One, an apology to all the people who lost their family farms and businesses due to unfair inheritance taxes.
	Two, an apology to all the average citizens that paid into a bankrupt social security system.
	Now that would be some speech.
	We're sorry, we can issue no more social security checks.
	Remember the old no new taxes pledge?
	This moment would make that look like kindergarten time.
	An apology for not preserving an outdated concept called the Constitution.
	Well, don't expect that one.
	And a great big apology for shutting down too many of our military bases and not disarming the Soviet nuclear threat.
	And by the way, while we're on that subject, the commander of NATO, according to the Associated Press, and, get this, US forces in Europe said Monday, he's checking a report now that recent malfunctions have switched Russian nuclear missiles to combat mode.
	Combat mode.
	Automatically.
	On several occasions.
	Can you imagine that?
	You're sitting there in an ICBM silo, and the whole damn thing begins to switch on and go into combat mode.
	Now where was it that they pointed those things?
	Didn't they say they weren't pointed over at us anymore?
	Not sure that I believe that.
	Now, Two other very, very important items.
	One week from right now, Victor is going to be here.
	Now, who is Victor?
	And Victor will be using a voice changer, and he'll be calling us.
	So, we're going to be able to interview him for an hour.
	A luxury they did not have.
	on Strange Universe.
	Victor is the man who provided the video that is said to be in total a three minute piece of footage smuggled out of Area 51 by Victor who claims that he had occasion to be there and took this while the entire contents of a massive series of interviews with a number of alien creatures were being downloaded from video to analog And guess what?
	I've got the second promised photograph up there right now.
	It shows, folks, and you'll be able to go to my website and see it, but what it shows is the alien, a closer photograph of the alien, with a man, presumably a doctor, who has white gloves on, putting his finger into the mouth of this alien.
	Nobody else has this photograph.
	It is an exclusive on our website right now.
	It went up there a couple hours ago.
	So if you want to see what nobody has seen until now, it's on my website at www.artbell.com.
	www.artbell.com.
	And let's see, where do you want to go?
	You want to go to latest news and items.
	And the very first item will read second interrogation video image from Victor.
	Now, Victor will be here, as I said, using a voice changer next week.
	And I'm trying to decide whether I want to interview Victor alone or whether somebody else should be here.
	Perhaps inviting Whitley Streber if he's up to it.
	I don't know.
	We'll see.
	And then there's one more really, really cool item.
	ABC's 2020 last night did a report about, get this now, imagine this in your mind, a woman in her fifties who received a heart-lung transplant from a teenage boy, hearts and lungs, heart and lungs, apparently from a teenage boy, and suddenly after it had the cravings of a teenage boy.
	Now, ABC said the heart may be, quote, more than just pump, unquote.
	And so it leaves one, it leaves a lot of questions begging, doesn't it?
	About the nature of the soul.
	Is the soul embedded in all that we are, along with our genetic code?
	in you know I don't know I don't have these answers but a woman in her mid 50s
	having the cravings of a teenage boy there was a recent story on CNN about
	heart transplants being illegal in Japan They are, it's true.
	They will not transplant organs in that country because they believe the soul is not complete if the organs are removed.
	That's a Dick in Hawaii said kind of interesting, I would say, in light of the 2020 story.
	So there you are.
	West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Going east of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	Where are you?
	Birmingham, Alabama.
	All right.
	You're going to have to get into that phone and make a little noise at us here.
	Okay.
	Can you hear me okay now?
	Yes, I can.
	Okay.
	I had a question and a comment.
	Okay.
	Okay, the question is, is what source did you get the information regarding the Russian missiles targeting the particular countries that are going into combat mode?
	Associated Press.
	Okay.
	You can go look it up on the web or whatever, probably read it in your local newspaper.
	First time callers call area 702-727-1222.
	No, it's something you can't do, sir.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Just say you're a ham operator.
	Don't give your call.
	And the reason you don't want to do that is because obviously it would identify your location.
	I'm sorry about that.
	That's all right.
	The article in question is by Susan M. Schaefer, who is an AP, Associated Press, military writer.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay?
	And the comment I was going to make?
	Yes.
	I'm also a pilot.
	And I remember recently there was a gentleman who called in apparently while he was airborne.
	Talk about the guy who flew into Area 51.
	Yes, sir.
	It just seemed a little odd, the mindset that enabled him to talk in the mannerisms that he was talking in.
	I know that if I've ever gotten into anything that was quite unusual while I was flying, I was not able to maintain a real gentle tone in my voice.
	Well, I'm not sure I heard a gentle tone in his voice.
	He wasn't cussing and swearing like you'd expect a pilot who'd be going in to do.
	That's true.
	I make no representations at all about what that was, because I don't know.
	I mean, look, sir, I've got open lines.
	When I answered the phone, when you rang a few moments ago, nobody answered first, right?
	No, sir.
	So he called the same way you just did.
	So I have no way of knowing if it was drama, just entertainment, or deadly serious.
	Sure.
	That's the next thing I was going to say, is if you'd ever gotten any follow-up from any other people that called in to maybe substantiate.
	Not yet, but I sure do want it.
	But I also wanted to make a comment that I do appreciate you being on the air.
	I enjoy listening to you.
	You have a lot of people here in the Birmingham area that listen to you regularly.
	And we're really glad you're there.
	Thank you, my friend, and take care of Birmingham, Alabama.
	Yeah, glad to be on the air there and everywhere.
	And it is simply a sort of a different kind of talk radio.
	You know, it's different.
	There's rumors about the Giffords.
	Frank Gifford and Kathy Lee.
	Anybody out there hearing that?
	I won't go any further with it until I know what's going on here.
	First time caller line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes.
	My name is Bob calling from St.
	Petersburg, Florida.
	Florida.
	Hi, Bob.
	And I was listening tonight.
	You were talking to the gentleman from the from the Tampa Triangle.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	That was a that was a dreamland show.
	Yes.
	And you were talking about combustible internal Spontaneous combustion, people dying.
	That's correct.
	I had an aunt, a great aunt, died from that.
	You're kidding!
	In Dallas.
	In Dallas?
	Yes.
	Her sister-in-law and her sister-in-law's son went into a store and left her sitting in the car, in a Cadillac, out in front of a store.
	Right.
	And they came out and she was just engulfed in flames.
	You're kidding!
	She did live until they got her to the hospital, but she never said anything.
	Well, what in the hell did the autopsy show?
	Just like it started burning.
	It started a fire.
	Nobody had thrown a cigarette or anything on her like that.
	And there was absolutely, it was cloth seats in the car, and there was not even a char mark on the seat of the car.
	And she had been an actress.
	In fact, she was in her 20s.
	She had acted in road shows with Pat O'Brien in the old days.
	She was written up in a book.
	Somebody wrote a book years ago about all the people that have died this way.
	Oh, look, I've interviewed people, thank you, who have written books on this subject, and I can't imagine it.
	I can't imagine it.
	I mean, it's simply impossible.
	Even wearing clothes.
	I'm a smoker.
	You know, if you drop a cigarette in your lap, believe me, in a few seconds you notice it and you jump a mile high.
	And there's really nothing sitting in a car that I could imagine that would possibly burn a person up without touching the seat.
	That's horrible!
	But there are so many cases chronicled.
	I've got photographs.
	They're very gruesome on the website of people who have Oh, is this Art Bell?
	Uh, how ya doin' Art Bell?
	Uh, I'm from Brookhaven, Mississippi.
	I called you in December and we talked about the, um, uh, the Yeti Yell.
	Remember that?
	Okay, turn your radio off.
	I called you in December and we talked about the Yeti Yale.
	Oh, oh.
	Yes, would you turn your radio off for us sir?
	Okay turn the radio off.
	Yes.
	Oh, oh, okay I'm sorry.
	Uh, what's going on?
	Uh, I don't know, sir.
	You called me.
	Uh-huh.
	So you tell me what's going on.
	Uh, say, uh, that red tide, you know, that's something, you know, fantastic.
	The red tide now reported not just in North Carolina, but many, many parts of the world.
	Uh-huh.
	Fish kills, yeah.
	Uh-huh.
	That is something else.
	I tell you, I don't, I don't, I miss, I miss, I just love your show, and I think it's real, real, real, real cool.
	Okay?
	Cool.
	Uh-huh, cool.
	It's cool.
	Uh-huh.
	Alright, I appreciate the call, cool.
	Yeah, the show's cool.
	It's just different, that's all.
	Just different.
	Here are some real newspaper headlines.
	Actual newspaper headlines.
	Something went wrong in Jet Crash, expert says.
	Something went wrong in Jet Crash, expert says.
	Please begin campaign to run down jaywalkers.
	Safety experts say school bus passengers should be belted.
	Drunk gets nine months in violin case.
	Survivor of Siamese twins joins parents.
	Iraqi head seeks arms.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Good morning.
	And that, too.
	I had some thoughts about that 2020 segment.
	Yes, yes, please.
	I grew up Catholic, and I come with only that experience.
	And what I was always taught was that the Creator infused the soul at the moment of conception.
	Uh-huh.
	And... But they don't really... But see, that's... Nobody really knows that for sure, do they?
	I mean, we don't know that scientifically, huh?
	Well, scientifically, the moment that cell becomes...
	All right, listen to me for a second.
	I'm going to have to put you on hold because we're at the bottom of the hour, okay?
	Okay.
	All right.
	This is definitely going to provoke a conversation.
	What a story on 2020.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16, 1997.
	The Coast to Coast AM concert, with the band, is presented by the Coast to Coast Amphitheatre.
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	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	Lynn in San Francisco said, the 2020 program on the 57-year-old woman with the teenage boy's heart, apparently long as well, her name is Claire Sovia.
	And along with the cravings, she also dreamt the name of her donor.
	Oh my God.
	And this, hello Art, concerning the transplant recipient.
	Have you ever thought about a hologram where every individual part of the whole has all the elements of the whole?
	Maybe the heart and lungs of the teenager contained all the elements of the whole teenager.
	Some say it's how the brain works.
	Why not the heart and lungs?
	That's Martin in West Lynn, Oregon.
	Thank you, Martin.
	I don't dismiss it, Martin.
	Not at all.
	And incidentally, from Gene in Minneapolis, Art, there are a whole bunch of new crop circle formations.
	They're coming in fast now.
	Since you first reported them this year, you can access them from your website.
	Yes.
	The Crop Circle website.
	It is true and they're coming in fast and furiously now as I predicted they would.
	Here is our young lady who was raised as a Catholic.
	You're back on, uh, ma'am.
	Thank you for waiting.
	Uh, and so where were you going?
	Where I was going was that since every cell as part of that individual, the DNA, wouldn't it be logical
	to say that every cell stores, like you said, a kind of collective memory of its
	inheritance?
	Yes, I think it is logical. And so then the question is, is it morally, morally acceptable
	to transfer organs from one human being to another?
	That's where the hard part comes in.
	That's exactly right. Thank you.
	That's where the hard part comes in.
	If that is the case, and this evidence would tend to lean in that direction, then is it morally proper?
	I think my answer would still be yes.
	And I'll give you my logic.
	Even though it might be a little God-like to be doing it, let's think about it for a second.
	What is wrong with somebody giving the gift of life, even if it means they're giving some portion of themselves, their real selves?
	You know, we all imagine our bodies to be as nothing once we're dead, and I believe that's true.
	I think it's true.
	Anyway, even if Some of what we are lingers in our organs, our cells, our DNA, our very being, and is transferred.
	You are giving the gift of yourself after you have died.
	I don't know.
	This really does require some fairly serious thought.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe there should be a moral objection to doing that.
	It depends on exactly what the nature of the soul really is, doesn't it?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Barbara from Hammond.
	Hi, Barbara.
	You know, in regards to this 2020 article, years ago I read in a newspaper in a little column fill that scientists had recognized that Underneath the heart, on the left-hand side, there was tissue similar to tissue, the type of tissue that is in the brain.
	Okay.
	I just wanted to add to what you're talking about.
	Metaphysically, there is supposed to be a second soul, too, in that area of the body.
	So I've heard.
	What you're telling us is true.
	How does that reflect on the ethics of doing transplants, in your opinion?
	I wasn't thinking so much of the ethics.
	Well, the morality?
	Personal convictions.
	I've not explored it.
	Well, hopefully this teenage boy is now not stuck Inside this 57-year-old woman.
	As long as that's not the case, I guess it'd be all right, huh?
	Well, I don't know if she has his energy.
	That's a plus.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Hopefully, you know, he's not sort of in there bouncing around somehow or another.
	And as long as that's not the case, I guess it's all right.
	I don't know.
	It really goes to these very deep questions about the nature of of who we are, but it is certainly intriguing, isn't it?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, hello.
	Oh, hello.
	Hello, this is Stephen from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
	Hi, Stephen.
	Well, I've been listening to you for about six months, and I've really enjoyed your show.
	Thank you.
	You mean you've never called in previously?
	No, I haven't.
	I didn't use the first time caller line.
	That's all right.
	However you can get in, it doesn't matter.
	I had one theory on the heart and lung transplant.
	Yes.
	I was reading a book one day about memory and they had two rats and they taught one rat how to run through a maze and after a while it learned where to take the turns and they took a blood sample from that rat and injected it into the other rat that they hadn't taught at all.
	I saw the same study and as I recall That second rat then did it in record time.
	Yes.
	Indicating that knowledge was somehow physically, in that manner, transferred.
	Yeah, it's pretty strange stuff.
	If that's true... They said that it was in the RNA.
	Yeah, I've got you.
	But if it's true, through whatever means, we don't understand the science, they don't either.
	But if it's true then, what are the ethics of doing this?
	Oh, well, I guess you could make really smart people.
	You could get the memory from, let's say if we had a blood sample from Albert Einstein, we could somehow take that out and inject it into somebody else.
	Well, we could, but when you ask a question about ethics, you're saying not could, but should.
	Oh, should, yeah.
	Well, if I was in control, it could be really interesting.
	In other words, I take it to mean then that you would do it.
	Oh, well, if it was my own little world, I guess.
	You know what would happen?
	Inevitably, some jerk would be out there taking regular monthly blood samples from Charlie Manson.
	Yeah.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	Inevitably, that would occur, wouldn't it?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Extinguish your radio, number one.
	Turn that radio off.
	Okay.
	It will hold on while you turn it off, so go turn that radio off.
	The advice is, Have your radio near your phone so that when you get on the air you can immediately go click.
	Okay, I think she may be back.
	Where are you calling from?
	I'm calling from Yakima, Washington.
	Okay, welcome.
	Hi.
	Say, you're talking about this heart-lung transplant.
	You bet.
	The soul, you know, I looked in the dictionary.
	under soul to define exactly what it is.
	Yeah, but what is...
	Webster's?
	Who did you go to?
	Let's see, what have I got here?
	It's the Random House College Dictionary.
	Random House College Dictionary.
	So what do they know?
	So what do they know?
	Yeah.
	Well, I asked...
	I was talking with my aunt and I asked her, I said, well, what is exactly the definition
	of soul?
	Yes.
	And it says here that the spiritual part of man is distinct from the physical part.
	Ah, see?
	I'm right.
	What do they know?
	I mean, what if it is not distinct in every way from your physical self?
	What if, in your DNA structure, your RNA, at the molecular level, you are who you are?
	And when you transplant a piece of you to somebody else, a piece of you goes along for real.
	Yeah well you know and and you're asking if it is it moral you know to take parts from one body and give to the other and I think my answer is if they're harvested after death that's really important and lately I've been hearing some disturbing news about harvesting prior to death but assuming that it's done after brain death then I think there's I think I think there is A moral stand you could take that would say that if part of me saved the life and continues the life of somebody else, that's a good thing, not a bad thing?
	Uh-huh.
	I hope.
	Well, and you know what my feelings are about it is this body is just a shell for us to use while here on earth anyway.
	I mean the spirit of who we are is in us, yes, but the body and every part of the body is just a shell for us to use During our life here on earth.
	So what does it mean if that lady dreamt the name of the donor?
	A total impossibility.
	It boggles the mind.
	You've got to sit down and think about that one a little bit, huh?
	Oh yeah.
	It's not impossible, but it's too... I don't know what the right word is for it to be coincidence.
	I don't believe in those kinds of coincidences.
	Thank you very much.
	Yes.
	Oh, exactly.
	This is such an incredible story.
	And what it suggests really has got to rock you back for a couple of minutes and make you begin to think about what might be as opposed to what we have traditionally believed Right?
	Wild card line.
	No, first time caller line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	I'm calling from Las Vegas.
	Yes, sir.
	I hate to diverge a little bit.
	You can diverge anywhere you want to go, sir.
	I have a mystery for us, Art.
	Life is full of them.
	But one thing is not a mystery, and that is you must turn your radio off.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Before we can proceed.
	It's done right now.
	All right.
	Okay.
	There was an article in 1991 that I didn't catch in time, but it's an article in the Review Journal about twelve bighorn sheep being found at the north end of the Mormon Mountains dead in an inaccessible spot to reach by either foot or horseback.
	And they think they were dropped out of an airplane.
	And they were dead long enough that they didn't want to take an autopsy on them at the time.
	Dropped out of an airplane?
	That's their theory.
	Well, I guess that would be what I would say, too, if it was inaccessible, period.
	Well, it's accessible, but the steep terrain, the general area, is six hours from where you can access it with a vehicle.
	Yeah, but aren't bighorn sheep pretty good at climbing things like that?
	Oh, yes, they are.
	Yes, they are.
	13 of them in the same spot at the same time, dead for the same amount of time.
	They were dead, what, six months to a year, I think.
	Well, without an autopsy having been performed to determine a cause of death, we're really guessing.
	Yes.
	And for some reason, they didn't take hair samples or tissue samples or anything to a pathologist.
	Yeah, well, you know where they are now, don't you?
	Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
	Level 7.
	Yes, sir.
	This is the first time I've called.
	I've been listening to you for a few months now, and I enjoy your program.
	I think the very best one was last week when Willie Nelson was on.
	I thoroughly enjoyed that.
	Rebecca from Arkansas.
	Yes, sir.
	This is the first time I've called.
	I've been listening to you for a few months now, and I enjoy your program.
	I think the very best one was last week when Willie Nelson was on.
	I thoroughly enjoyed that.
	Well, I run the gamut.
	I enjoyed that.
	Thank you.
	Many different kinds of things.
	I have two comments about the heart and lung transplant.
	I watched that tonight on 20-20.
	And your impressions were?
	Well, I thought it was very well done and they were objective about it.
	The points that I want to make are metaphysical more than physical.
	That's fine.
	That is, if the soul has to leave the body in order for the body to die, Wouldn't it remain if a major part of that body was still alive, especially major organs like the heart and lungs?
	Well, that's of course the horrific question you would ask, and I'm asking it.
	I don't know.
	I don't have that answer, but if so, then we have a teenage boy trapped inside a 57-year-old woman.
	Well, it seems from the experiences that she related That this has been a positive thing for her.
	Well, sure.
	And he is... Yeah, but has it been a positive thing for him?
	It seems to me, from what she related, that I would think that... Well, let me put it to you this way.
	That he is helping her positively.
	Okay, maybe so.
	But I'm a 51-year-old, soon-to-be 52-year-old man.
	Right.
	And if I suddenly, in essence, woke up inside the body of about an 11 or 12 year old girl, I'd be really ticked off.
	Well, if you believe it all in reincarnation, and I believe that you do, if you come back, you come back in the body of a baby.
	I know you without the knowledge that you had been here before immediately, but at any rate, another possibility is that I have heard people who have talked about having near-death experiences And they remain near the body even though they are out of that body and they feel an attachment to the body and a sense of wanting to take care of that body.
	And suppose he has, you know, he has moved out but he is remaining near or has remained near because she did say that as the years went by that a lot of this has diminished.
	And so maybe, you know, he has gradually withdrawn himself from her.
	Perhaps so.
	He's not actually attached to those organs, but maybe has been hanging around as a caretaker in a sense.
	Oh, man.
	That's kind of wild.
	It is.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	It's kind of wild.
	I mean, what if you were to wake up?
	I can only relate to myself, so I will.
	But if I were to wake up, say, in the body of a 12-year-old girl, Man, knowing what I know?
	For one thing, I can tell you this.
	My attitude about men?
	It'd be poor.
	Very poor.
	I mean, knowing what I know about myself, under those circumstances, I would not be, um... It'd be quite a terror.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	It's Tootie.
	Hi, Trudy or Judy?
	Trudy.
	Trudy?
	Uh-huh.
	As in Tootie Fruity?
	Tootie Tootie.
	All right.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Northern California.
	Okay.
	And I want to talk about Tuskegee.
	You mentioned some women who were given plutonium pills while they were pregnant.
	I know.
	700 women.
	And one thing that you left out about them is that They were, all of them, poor women.
	Well, the Tuskegee, yes, you're correct.
	Tuskegee, of course, was black men.
	Yes, and there are no words.
	So I really think that it is totally proper to ask what you think we might be apologizing for 50 years from now.
	Which is another way of asking what you think we're doing now.
	Do you think we're doing The same kind of horrible thing now?
	I'll bet we are.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	I think there's no doubt about it.
	You know, the one thing that it makes reminds me of is that it's Joseph Mengele's stuff being carried out after, you know.
	It really is.
	He left off.
	It really is.
	Because that's exactly what he was doing.
	It's racist.
	It's immoral.
	It's egregious.
	There are no words.
	It's unacceptable.
	It's all of that.
	I couldn't agree more with you.
	It's all of that, and I'm sure we're doing it now.
	I bet the modern version of it involves things that would really be horrific.
	Things like... What are they putting in our water?
	Genetics.
	Oh, yeah.
	Imagine the genetic experiments they're doing that they're... I mean, they have all these public ethical committees that look into what should and shouldn't be done.
	It's all baloney.
	In the private sector, Or the private government slash sector, you know damn well they're doing these things.
	And you know, and yes, absolutely.
	And also, I wanted to ask a question about the Hanford story, about an explosion or something that happened at the Hanford nuclear plant.
	There were eight.
	Indeed, there was an explosion heard 30 miles away that did not, they're still saying, involve the release of any nuclear materials, but did flood.
	And eight were taken to the hospital, apparently, unheard keyword apparently so that's all we know right now
	well i the thing is after it was announced i heard it on on a newscast on your show um i looked for it the next day
	in newspapers and i also by the way don't have a tv so um well they don't like
	to advertise that kind of thing i mean it gets you know it's kind of thing it
	gets on the news and then as soon as they're able to they drop it like a hot
	rod I mean, rock.
	There was nothing at all about it at all, but Miss Universe, you know.
	Oh, what a beauty, she!
	What a beauty, Miss USA!
	I'm sure she is, but you know, we could use some updates on Hanford, too, huh?
	I gotta go.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	I came across this young man sawin' on a fiddle and playin' it hot.
	And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, Boy, let me tell you what.
	I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
	And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
	Now, you play a pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
	I'd better fiddle a gold against your soul, cause I think I'm bettered you.
	The boy said, My name's Johnny, and it might be a sin.
	But I'll take your bet, you're gonna regret, cause I'm the best there's ever been.
	Johnny, rosin up your bow and play your fiddle hard.
	Cause hell broke loose in Georgia and the devil steals a part.
	And if you win, you get this shiny fiddle made of gold.
	But if you lose, the devil gets your soul The Devil's Advice
	The Devil's Advice The Devil's Advice
	The Devil's Advice The Devil's Advice
	Oooooooo oooo oooo
	tu tu tu du du du
	Oooooooooooo ooodoo ooo
	du ooo va vowo
	Give us some use it's a count
	the you're listening to our film somewhere in time on premiere
	radio network Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	I suspect love is probably the most important, powerful force in the universe.
	Did you ever wonder about that?
	The most powerful force in the universe?
	It's probably love.
	Well, anyway, onward.
	Open lines tonight, all night long.
	You're certainly welcome to join in.
	Oh, I know what I want to get in.
	I know what I want to get in.
	I promised you that every time we got an opening on one of our cruises, that I would let you know.
	We have, I think, one opening in Egypt.
	We're going to Egypt.
	Actually, Rome.
	We're going all over the place.
	October 1st.
	And I think there's one opening there.
	And I think there's one opening or maybe two openings left in Alaska.
	That's it, folks.
	And so every now and then when I get some openings in the cruises, I'll let you know.
	Stan Dale's going to be here Monday.
	People have been requesting the return of Stan Dale for a long time.
	And we've got it arranged.
	He will be our guest Monday night at the beginning of the program.
	Stan Dale from Australia.
	As I said, my network truly loves it when I have guests from Australia and England and Moscow.
	Stan is an expatriate.
	Living in Perth, Australia, Stan, I don't want to say was exiled to Australia.
	I'll let him explain that himself and he's got a lot of new stuff.
	I understand his web page has some dire warnings on it and so we're going to inquire what that's all about and talk of many things with Stan Dale.
	He's a very unusual person and all I can say is you're not going to want to miss it.
	That's this coming Monday night, beginning of the week.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art Bell.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Listen, my name is Mark.
	I'm an aspiring actor here in Los Angeles.
	The reason for my... Well, I've had a couple of parts, but nothing real important, so I'm still kind of a struggling artist, as they call it.
	But I'm calling your show because I had my first out-of-body experience.
	I was wondering if any of your listeners out there can describe a couple of things that's going on that I'm having a bit of trouble with.
	I've read about this thing for like 15 years now and I've always tried it for years and years.
	Just describe what happened to you.
	Well, as I got out the first time I started saying to myself out of body, I said, wow, this is it.
	I'm out of body.
	I've made it.
	I've done it.
	And I started roaming the hallways of the building where I am.
	I could walk through all of the things that are made of wood.
	But I couldn't seem to go through like the solid brick walls or doors.
	No kidding!
	Right, and I could go through the elevator doors and as I said all the wood.
	But here's something that really, really bothers me.
	Yes?
	And that is, while I was walking I saw James Cagney, the old actor.
	Really?
	Yeah, and I was telling him that I'm an aspiring actor and I love his movies and I'm really into comedies and he said, well why don't you go upstairs and talk to Why don't you go upstairs and talk to Laurel and Hardy?
	Maybe they can help you out.
	I'm going over here to a party at the Barrymores, and I started coming back, and I'm like, what the world?
	You know, something like this, right?
	Well, anyhow, I mentioned that to some of the people that live here in the building, some of the older people, and they mentioned it, I guess, to a manager or somehow or another.
	They went through the archives.
	This was like two weeks ago, and Tuesday of this week, they found out that in this building, James Cagney had, in fact, lived here.
	You're serious, aren't you?
	I was sitting here thinking there's a punchline coming to this, but there isn't.
	You're serious, huh?
	No, no.
	This is a residential hotel building.
	Wow.
	Not only did Cagney live here, but the Barrymores spent a few nights here.
	Laurel and Hardy, we're on the 8th floor where I am.
	Laurel and Hardy had a suite up on the 11th floor.
	I've only gotten out of body once since then, and there was like this gathering of people out in the hallway with tuxedos on, and I understand that this had been a place where some of the actors would come after the Academy Awards years ago.
	Well, I guess you're in the right place.
	I mean, what I would say then, I mean, based on what you've said and what you'd like to do, I'd do it again, and I'd begin seeking advice.
	And who knows?
	You may rock it to the top.
	What is your first name?
	My first name is Randy.
	Randy, not as in the amazing, just Randy.
	So Randy, I'm going to have to remember your name because one day when it's way up in the lights, I'll know why.
	We'll all know why.
	Wow.
	Well, if anyone has experienced that out of body or something that they could, some tip that they could give me on how I would go about it, can you actually ask these people for it when you're out there like that?
	You've said a hell of a lot of me, Randy. I've never done it.
	But we'll ask the audience, all right?
	Thank you. And I didn't mean to give that fake name up front, but I just...
	No, that's cool.
	Okay.
	All right. Thank you very much.
	Hey, listen, one quick thing.
	Yes, sir.
	If you ever do make it big, do one thing for me.
	And that is?
	Use the name Randy.
	No!
	No?
	Oh, hell no.
	Okay.
	No.
	Just use the name somehow, Randy, alright?
	Okay, I sure will.
	Alright, then we'll know.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	Pretty interesting, huh?
	Who am I to say?
	Fascinating.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, Art.
	This is David in Denver.
	David in Denver.
	Hi, David.
	Yes, I was just wondering, whatever happened to Gordon Michael Scallion?
	Well, Gordon is in retreat, and he has been for some time.
	Gordon began to be affected health-wise by what he was doing, and that's the last word I've had from him.
	He is not, at the moment, speaking publicly.
	Oh, okay, because I know the Ring of Fire in the Pacific is still pretty active.
	You better believe it.
	I know.
	If I could have Gordon on, I would do so, and when he becomes public again, I will.
	Okay, yeah, I was just really interested because I hadn't heard him in a while, and I guess it's been a couple of years since you've talked to him.
	That's why.
	He's a very interesting person.
	He's a very, very interesting person, yes.
	So rest assured, when we can, we will have Gordon Michael Scallion back on.
	and uh... those of you who can remember from those years ago the predictions that he made still have not manifested themselves but and and people will from time to time send me email or something and say see he was wrong no he was not wrong he said that when a certain cycle a three cycle a ring of fire series of earthquakes would occur And it would have to be three in a row.
	That would complete a cycle that would begin a really serious group of Earth changes.
	And we have never seen that cycle of three complete three times.
	So, those who say he was wrong, he was wrong, you're wrong because what he has predicted has not yet occurred.
	He only knew, you know, people who do that kind of thing Rarely, if ever, can give you a timeline.
	They can only say, when the following occurs, that will mean the following.
	And that's what Gordon Michael Scullion did.
	And we have not yet completed that cycle.
	We got very, very close once.
	We literally completed two-thirds of it.
	But the third part of the cycle never manifested itself.
	Has not yet.
	As a caller points out, it's pretty active out there right now.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Man, Art Bell, am I glad I got through to you.
	I'm glad you did, too.
	Where are you?
	This is John in Nashville.
	Yes, sir.
	I was about 40 miles west on I-40 at a quarter after three.
	This morning?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	I seen something.
	What did you see?
	You've got to excuse me.
	I'm a little bit excited.
	I understand.
	Just be calm and explain.
	Were you driving?
	I was driving.
	I drive a truck.
	First of all, I hesitated calling because I have a lot of friends that listen to this show.
	I hear you.
	Anyway, coming from the south to the north, there was a bright white line.
	I don't know how to explain it other than that.
	Well, try harder.
	When you say a line, what do you mean?
	It was a horizontal bright white light.
	It looked like it was several miles long.
	And it was streaking across the sky.
	Now wait, wait, wait.
	You've seen spotlights, right?
	I have seen spotlights.
	This was not like that.
	This was an intense bright white light with a beginning and an end.
	Almost like a... Which you could see in the sky?
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	And it was going horizontal, straight line.
	Right.
	And it took a little bit of a bend.
	And then it stopped.
	And when it stopped, the trailing intense bright white light, it was like it caught up to the initial object and collected into a bright white light.
	And I thought, well, it's a shooting star, but it stopped.
	Then I looked closer, and it had red, green, and blue lights in a triangular shape, and I thought, well, it's a twinkling star.
	But the longer that I drove, I was about 40 miles west of Nashville.
	As I drove, I got closer to it.
	Okay, that's what I'm asking.
	Stop, pause for a minute.
	How high would you estimate it to be if you had to guess?
	Cloud level?
	Maybe several thousand feet.
	That would mean that it would have been seen over a very wide area.
	That's why I'm calling in.
	Maybe someone in middle Tennessee other than me has seen this.
	I don't know what it was and I hesitate to say spaceship or man-made or whatever.
	No, you've done just fine.
	I wish you could have seen it.
	I wish I could have too, but I can do the next best thing.
	I tried to get through to you back in April.
	There's been stuff going on here.
	I don't know if you recall, it was in relation to Easter Sunday night with some relatives that were down from Chicago.
	I've seen this again tonight.
	It's unbelievable.
	Maybe someone else has seen it.
	We'll find out right now.
	Thank you.
	If anybody else in that area saw what this man saw, call now.
	The numbers you would use would be, I guess, east of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033
	or the wildcard line 702-727-1222.
	That sounds like a pretty serious sighting.
	From what he described, it almost sounds like the Star Trek, you know, something out of Star Trek, when they would go into a warp drive, the way he described it.
	I should have asked him if that was roughly accurate.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Whoops, wait a minute, didn't press the button.
	There we go.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Juanita in Fresno.
	Hello, Juanita.
	Hi, earlier you had mentioned placing different parts of animals in humans and you may have, well you might not have known, they've been using porcine valves for heart valve replacements in humans for 20 years or so.
	I'm aware of that, yes, but suppose it becomes More massive.
	Suppose we begin using hearts?
	Lungs?
	Well, they used a baboon heart in a little baby.
	I know.
	But the baby did not live, you'll recall.
	About 17 days, I think.
	Certainly not enough to know what we know about this 57-year-old lady.
	Yeah.
	And then, of course, the man with AIDS, they replaced his blood totally with baboon.
	Was it a baboon?
	I couldn't remember.
	That's correct.
	And as far as I know, that man is still alive.
	Yeah.
	And there would be obvious questions.
	But first of all, do you believe it's possible that the physical parts or blood of a person transferred to another could transfer some sort of genetic or holographic memory in those cells?
	I wonder if it's that or that the people acquire an extra-sensory or already have an extra-sensory perception that just shows up at that time.
	I would tend to doubt that and I would think that the holographic theory works for me and that is that you are in every part of you, you.
	In other words, all of your cells, all of your makeup contains the totality of you in some way.
	And that could be transferred.
	Have you ever had a blood transfusion?
	Never.
	There's been a lot, you know, I give my own blood to myself.
	There's a lot of people that won't Take other people's blood, and what is it, Jehovah's Witness, and a couple other religions won't even take blood because apparently they believe there's something to this, and the life is in the blood.
	That's right, ma'am.
	A man sent me a fax saying in Japan that they don't do organ transplants because they believe the soul is contained in the physical body.
	I heard it slightly different, that in Japan they don't do it because their idea of dead is Both brain and heart dead.
	Where if you wait for the brain to die, the organs are dead by that time.
	And that's why the little girl came over.
	Yeah, but the way I understand the harvesting of organs, aside from a horrible little 60 minutes piece I saw not long ago, they're supposed to wait for brain death before they take any organs?
	Not necessarily.
	Why said they're supposed to?
	It depends on if the person signed an organ donor card and what not.
	And if there are things that can be given.
	You can't sign a card that says you can take my parts before I'm dead.
	You can't do that, really.
	There are different ways of determining death.
	Well, now you're on to it.
	It may have been that, according to the piece I saw, they have been a little hurried, shall we say in some cases, in declaring That could be true, but if only the brainstem is functioning, there's no way of the life returning.
	In those cases, there's no heart or anything else going.
	If only the brainstem is functioning, there is no way of the life returning.
	And in those cases, they normally, you know, there is no heart or anything else going.
	It's only kept going artificially.
	And I think we've always used for heart death, heart and breath, breathing death,
	rather than brain death or organ transplants.
	We're getting into some pretty dicey areas.
	Yeah.
	I've heard several stories, but they were in like The Sun and things like that, of people who had transplants and like some lady all of a sudden liking cigars.
	Yeah.
	But I always sort of discounted those stories.
	Well, so have I. I'm not so sure now.
	Yeah.
	I wonder, do you know anybody who had a pig valve or a porcine valve replacement?
	Not personally, no.
	I did, and well, I didn't like the lady, so I can't say whether.
	I didn't know her before, so I don't know if she had any... You're not telling me that...
	Well, she was very overweight.
	That's disgusting.
	But she did live another 10 or 15 years with it.
	Did she tend to sort of... Well, I hate to use the word... Well, see, I don't know what she was like before.
	Well, I was going to use the word wallow.
	That... Yeah.
	Really?
	Wallow?
	That's horrible.
	I don't know what she was like before.
	She may have been like that before.
	Uh-huh.
	So I was curious of whether you know I can't remember hearing you know for her I knew for sure that what exactly she had done and so I was curious of whether.
	Well look if you were on you know on your deathbed I mean on your deathbed and you had an organ failing and you could get a Oinker organ would you go for it?
	Probably not, because... Really?
	It's the only thing we've got available, ma'am.
	You're going to be dead inside of 24 hours unless you let us do this.
	I probably would not have an option of that.
	Well, I know, but I'm giving you that option right now.
	I probably wouldn't.
	You wouldn't?
	No, although I do know that porcine valves are You know, the closest thing... Yeah, we're talking about an entire pig heart here.
	I don't... Well, the pig heart... Is that a yes or a no?
	That's the closest to ours, so... So maybe... No, I don't think I would.
	No, you wouldn't.
	I'd rather die.
	Alright, alright.
	Well, I hear you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	We've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	The Coast to Coast AM concert was held at the San Francisco International Airport on May 16th, 1997.
	The concert was held at the San Francisco International Airport on May 16th, 1997.
	My love is alive, my love is alive My love is alive
	My love is alive My love is alive
	I'll follow you wherever you go.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 16, 1997.
	You know what you're listening to here, don't you?
	This is a group called Cusco.
	And I'm in tight with Cusco.
	And I can tell you that beginning in July, I'm going to be able to begin playing the third Part of the trilogy called Return to Native America.
	And I can't begin to tell you how excited I am and how I can't wait to do it.
	It's absolutely killing me.
	I know a lot more than I can say.
	Anyway, park that in the back of your head.
	The third part of the trilogy, the important one I've been waiting for, is Well, I just, I can't talk anymore about it.
	But I can tell you that much.
	It's on the way.
	All right, I have on my website now the second photograph, a worldwide exclusive of the alleged interview with an... Interview?
	Interrogation of an alien creature at Area 51.
	It was sent to me this afternoon and placed on the website about an hour prior to broadcast time tonight.
	It is a remarkable photograph and here is a fax.
	Art, I have printed that photo on your website and have looked at it as carefully as possible under gross magnification.
	The size of the alien's cranium is amazing.
	This is not the configuration that one would see in a human.
	Of course, the eyes are not only large, but note the significant symmetrical light reflex.
	The dot-like shine in each eye in response to the photo-lighting source.
	The doctor, in quotes, appears to be demonstrating features of the mouth.
	If you look at the posture of both his hands and their position, it has a truly professional feel, in quotes, as well.
	If we could see the physician's face, particularly his eyes, I think we could get even more information.
	I don't know for sure, Art, given the limitations of this photo, but it looks real to me.
	Wow, what a picture.
	Yes, I know.
	And next week, actually Saturday at midnight Pacific, Victor, using a voice-changing device, is going to be here.
	And we're going to find out as much as we can.
	So we are actually privy now to two worldwide exclusives.
	One, of course, being the photograph that we have up there for you to look at now.
	And the other being the opportunity, even with a voice changer, to question Victor about what really happened in that interrogation room.
	About details.
	It's going to be absolutely fascinating, and I appreciate the opportunity to be doing this, and I'm trying to put together in my head exactly how I want to do it.
	I will treat Victor as I do all my guests.
	I will allow Victor to tell his story as he wishes to tell it, and then you may be the judge of the veracity of what you hear.
	But I'm looking forward to that opportunity.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, Art.
	You know this partial birth abortion stuff?
	Yeah.
	well uh... there was a mother and father was an avid
	daughter that uh... thing you know testify in washington dc there
	were what with another five-year-and-a-half-year-old daughter
	they have a five-and-a-half-year-old daughter and what you people were going
	to be a hearings of the partial birth abortion and and the five-and-a-half-year-old
	was going to testify to say what
	well she wasn't allowed in barber box if it wasn't quite what they said well you know
	what the world and sir hello hello what was she going to say
	if it is a show that she was uh... healthy she can i guess play computer games and stuff where you know and
	you know another word she was a lot she was supposed to have been uh...
	uh... partially birth aborted uh...
	Some of the people in Washington D.C.
	there, and I guess Barbara Boxer worked around, said no, the fetus cannot be there.
	How could she be a fetus at five and a half years old?
	Well, she's not a fetus at five and a half years old.
	That's just stupid.
	All right, well, that's dumb.
	She's not a fetus.
	So, um, you know, I find that a little hard to swallow.
	I mean, you know, a five-and-a-half-year-old child is a child, is not a fetus.
	Period.
	Period.
	My attitude on abortion is that if If truly the mother's life is at risk, in other words, if proceeding with the birth at the last minute in an emergency situation, a true emergency, not a choice of convenience, because that's morally reprehensible and it's the equivalent of murder, however, however,
	If at the very last moment there is a choice between the life of the child and the life of the mother, and there is a near certainty that to continue with that... I mean, I can only tell you what I would do in my own case, alright?
	If my wife was pregnant, and the moment of birth was approaching, and the doctor came to me and said, if we proceed, there's almost a certain Chance your wife is going to die.
	I would say proceed with the abortion.
	Assuming my wife at that point would be under some sort of general anesthetic or something and I was the only one who could make the choice.
	To me it would be a no-brainer.
	It sure wouldn't be easy.
	But that sure as hell would be my answer.
	I would not be prepared To lose my wife, would you?
	The other side of the coin is, the politics they play with it.
	And that is that, give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
	And if we are aborting children at the last minute, sucking their brains out, the scissors business and all that.
	For convenience, or even more horribly, because you don't like the sex or something else of that child, then it's murder.
	Otherwise, it's a life versus a life, like the scales of justice.
	You've got to make a choice.
	A horrible choice, and I hope to hell I never have to make it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, it is.
	Are you talking to this person?
	I am, depending on who this person is.
	Unusual.
	This person's Amos.
	I just heard you make a remark about... Amos, would you turn your radio off?
	Where is it?
	I don't know.
	Hold on a minute.
	You're there, I'm not.
	It's pretty late.
	I'll hold while you turn it off, Amos, at least for a moment here.
	Yeah, I got it.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	I just wanted to tell you my background is medicine, and I followed this business quite well, and I think if you only had on the person that I don't need to mention him, but he was the back of Ben's head one day about three or four weeks ago.
	You would know for sure that the doctor alone makes the determination and he makes it long time before there's any danger.
	The people are lined up in rows for this thing.
	Every doctor does several of them in a day and the people are in there two or three days ahead of time to get themselves Uh, opened up in the way you do it.
	Well, that's murder.
	No, wait a minute.
	Yes, it is murder.
	Absolutely is murder.
	I have no argument with you, but also, hold it, sir.
	There are times when there are last minute emergencies.
	God knows lots of women have died in childbirth.
	Well, yes, there are quite a few that die in childbirth.
	Most of them because they're doing it without a doctor at all.
	As my mother did.
	How many of us?
	Seven out of nine, my mother had.
	Without a doctor.
	And I'm the first one.
	That doesn't bear on this question.
	No, but what does bear on this question is that these partial births, you must know that the baby is healthy, its toes are twinkling and moving, the doctor turns it around and puts it on.
	I know what happens.
	Only the face is inside the womb.
	I know.
	I know.
	I don't think there's any excuse for thinking a woman's life is in danger.
	Ah, yes there is.
	I don't think there's one out of a thousand.
	Well, if it's one out of a thousand... You shouldn't have a doctor determine the other 999.
	They're going to be killed and murdered.
	Um, I don't disagree with you.
	I'm glad you don't.
	Now that I have you, and it's the first time I've been able to reach you in almost two years, I dial sometimes for an hour and a half in a row, but the phone rings and rings, and the operator cuts it off.
	I know, I know.
	But my background is in medicine and Science, and in history in the last 15 years.
	Yes.
	I'm in my 84th year, and I'm very, very adamant about the great lie that's being promoted for 51 years now, that is, according to Dr. Henry Morris, the basis of all harmful philosophies and evil practices in the world today.
	Which is what?
	And that is this damnable, evil, bloody religion called science.
	I'm speaking of the pagan religion of evolutionists.
	There's not a stick of science to support it.
	Not one tiny iota.
	Okay.
	I would like to offer to be on a program some night.
	Well, you can offer if you wish, but I... You know, on the face of it, you're beginning with something that is simply not true.
	You can't say there's one stick, there's not one stick of science, one shred of scientific evidence that evolution is true.
	There's all kinds of evidence that evolution is true.
	I'm sorry.
	Your statement is simply totally inoperative.
	It may not be a conclusive done deal, but your statement that there's not one shred of evidence indicating that evolution is a fact is a Absolutely ridiculous!
	So, there would be no argument with you.
	You're accepting that as a matter of conviction.
	Like a religion.
	So there would be no arguing with you.
	And with regard to the abortion, I'll simply refer you to what I said a little while ago.
	Even if it's one in a thousand, If a doctor told me that to continue with a birth would kill my wife, I'm telling you right now, there would be no choice.
	I would say, save my wife.
	And if you or anybody else got in my way, you'd have immediate physical problems.
	Do you understand?
	So, I don't begrudge you, sir, your belief system.
	Well, you try and get in the way of my wife's life, and yours won't be worth two cents if you follow me.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	KQMS, right in California.
	Well, good morning to you.
	How come people think it's okay to talk about pagans like that?
	Well, they can... Look, this is open lines.
	They can say anything they want.
	I know, but you know, you don't hear people calling you up early just saying things about black people like that.
	Sometimes they might.
	Oh, yes, you do.
	Sometimes they might.
	Well, even the Pope made fun of us.
	Um, yeah.
	Why do people think that's okay?
	Uh, because it's easy to pick on minorities, hon.
	That's why.
	Well, it isn't okay.
	And it hurts my feelings.
	Are you a pagan?
	Yeah.
	Define a pagan.
	Well?
	Yes?
	A pagan is anybody who's not a Christian, number one.
	That's according to their definition.
	Oh, you mean the Christian definition?
	Don't give me the Christian definition.
	Give me your definition.
	My definition?
	Yes.
	Well, I don't know.
	I've never been asked that before.
	I specialize in doing those things.
	I noticed.
	I mean, you're saying I'm a pagan.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so what's a pagan?
	What do you believe?
	What do you believe that causes you to say, I'm a pagan?
	Forget the dictionary definition.
	Let's hear Ten's definition of what a pagan is.
	Somebody who has broken all Ten Commandments?
	No.
	Somebody who does not believe there is a Creator?
	Oh, no.
	I believe in the Goddess and the God.
	In fact, I think we're made in their image.
	Somebody who worships idols?
	What's an idol?
	Oh, don't you remember idols?
	Don't you remember when Moses was up there getting the tablets and they were down there worshipping the golden idols?
	Yeah.
	Could be, uh-huh.
	So do you worship a golden calf?
	Nope.
	Or another type of idol like that?
	Nope.
	I don't worship.
	How about the dollar bill?
	Heck yeah!
	Yeah, I've got a little shrine for a hundred here, you know.
	Hey, I have the hundred dollar bill with your face on it right above here.
	You know, I was wondering who did that.
	Somebody made up a dollar bill with my face on it.
	You look pretty good, too.
	Hey, I just wanted to tell you, you know that guy who called or faxed in and said you're ugly and you shouldn't be on TV?
	I thought that was rude.
	Oh no, sorry.
	Well, I don't think you're ugly and I still don't want to see you on TV.
	Thank you.
	I know.
	That's good because I'm really swearing it off.
	I'll tell you what I've got.
	Really?
	I'm swearing it off.
	That's it.
	I'm getting offered TV programs and series now and all kinds of stuff.
	I'm going to stop it.
	I enjoyed when you were on Dark Skies.
	That was kind of a neat little thing.
	Yeah, that was cool.
	But listen, I want to tell you, to prove my point, I don't watch Larry King.
	Can I tell you anything?
	You know what I mean?
	I watch Larry King about once a year.
	Yeah, well, I don't watch him at all.
	Well, if he does something like on Area 51 or something like that, I'll watch that.
	Uh, I think somebody videotaped that for me.
	Yeah, see, there you are.
	Can I say one more thing?
	One more thing.
	Um, and then I'm going to go look up the definition of a pagan, or figure one out.
	I wouldn't do that.
	Just stick with whatever you believe.
	Anyway, go ahead.
	Okay, um, about cynicism, about the government, like you were talking about yesterday.
	Oh, yes.
	You know, there's this really, I don't know, people have this really weird attitude.
	And it's my opinion that the government doesn't make the nation, the people make the nation.
	I agree with you, thank you.
	And it accounts for why... It's one of the reasons that I have ceased to generally talk about things political.
	I mean, I will do it occasionally if there's a specific real reason to do it, but you know what?
	Most of what's being done in Washington right now is irrelevant to our lives.
	And I really mean that.
	I have come to believe that who is president is more or less irrelevant.
	They are arguing about things that are utterly irrelevant to us, mostly for the sake of arguing.
	I really have come to that personal conclusion.
	And I am not going to devote hours and hours of arguing about things that don't make a damn bit of difference one way or the other.
	And if that is what you want to hear, then you can hear it up and down the dial all across America, because talk radio seems devoted to the holy grail of discussion of things like Newt Gingrich's fine, or whatever else happens to be going on in Washington.
	It's utterly without redeeming value.
	And if it should acquire some, I will again talk about it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Margie in California.
	Hi, Margie.
	The definition of a pagan is one that does not believe in the traditional Christian beliefs.
	Margie, would you yell into your phone for us?
	I heard that.
	Somebody who does not believe in traditional Christian beliefs.
	Well, I wouldn't think of a Buddhist as a pagan.
	But the Christians do.
	Well, that's their problem.
	Yes.
	As far as I'm concerned.
	In other words, I disagree with the definition.
	To me, a pagan worships some sort of a golden calf, you know, as a good example.
	And I think that God may be known by many names, and one of them may be Buddha, Muhammad.
	There may be many names for our Creator, not just one.
	What I believe the woman should say is that she's Wiccan.
	Well, I don't think she is Wiccan.
	Well, Wiccans do believe in the God and the Goddess.
	Well, maybe she is Wiccan.
	I'll tell you what I'll do.
	Are you a Wiccan?
	You are?
	You are?
	Yes.
	Are you a witch?
	Mm-hmm.
	You are?
	Mm-hmm.
	You are?
	Yes.
	You're a witch.
	Not in the Halloween tradition.
	Well, let's not mince words here, but a Wiccan is a witch, yes?
	Yes.
	And same way with, you know, a Wiccan is male or female, and witch is male or female.
	Did you see The Craft?
	I think I've seen the previews of it.
	Uh-huh.
	How long have you been a Wiccan?
	I was initiated about a year ago.
	About a year ago?
	Mm-hmm.
	I used to be.
	Look, I have a break here.
	I have a break here.
	Can you hold on through the news?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Hang in there.
	Just rest easy on your broom.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	Thank you for watching. Please subscribe to my channel.
	I'm just hearing you're concerned about my happiness.
	But all that talk you're giving me is conscience, I guess.
	If I was walking in your shoes, I wouldn't worry none.
	While you and your friends are worrying about me, I'm having lots of fun.
	Counting flowers on the wall, that don't bother me at all.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	Good morning, it's Saturday morning.
	I'm nothing to do like my... You're listening to Arc Bell, Somewhere in Time. Tonight featuring
	a replay of Coast to Coast A.M. from May 16, 1997. Good morning, it's Saturday morning.
	The weekend has arrived already. They really are moving...
	It is the Quicken.
	They're moving faster and faster and faster.
	Weeds are racing by months in the years.
	Nor me.
	I did it even before I did this all-night talk show.
	Okay, dismount the broom.
	I did it even before I did this all night talk show.
	Okay, dismount the broom.
	Yes.
	Do I over dismount?
	Can you...
	Can you tell me about the Wiccan religion?
	Is that proper?
	Well, I don't know if you'd call it a religion.
	What would you call it?
	A belief.
	Okay.
	Can you tell me about it?
	I haven't been in it all that long to really be well-versed on it, but I feel that you're honoring nature and life.
	Have you ever heard of the three-fold law?
	Three-fold law?
	No, what is that?
	All comes back to you three-fold.
	Yes.
	I like to think of it as a ten-fold because... Other people call it karma, whatever.
	Yeah, you could say that.
	Let's see, if you can imagine doing something bad towards somebody and it coming back at you ten times as strong, you wouldn't want to do that, would you?
	There have been moments.
	But think of it, if you did something to someone else bad, Uh-huh.
	I have, in my life.
	And you've paid for it later, right?
	Well, you never know.
	I mean... One way or another, you have.
	Well, you have, yeah.
	Yeah.
	The answer is yes.
	In other words, you pay for it, maybe not in things that occur to you, but your psyche is affected.
	That, and also, it could happen to you physically, or financially, or emotionally.
	I don't disagree.
	But there may be times when it's worth it.
	That's the human part of me talking.
	In other words, I have been harmed by people.
	And I don't stand for it.
	I harm back.
	Now that's wrong.
	I know.
	Turn the other cheek and all that stuff.
	But I don't live by that.
	I don't turn the other cheek.
	I put my fist right back in their face.
	Do you hear me?
	So karma will get me, I'm sure.
	To give an example, there was one time that some money was stolen out of my purse.
	This other person laughed about it.
	They lost ten times as much out of their wallet at a swap meet.
	Times three.
	No, this one was ten times.
	They lost ten times as much, you mean?
	But see, the thing is that I didn't take part in that.
	I just said, okay.
	You'll pay for it sometime or another.
	And it happened a second time.
	The same person laughed about something that happened to me and something worse happened to him.
	I said, remember the time that you laughed about me about the money and then this last time?
	Don't do that anymore.
	You're hurting yourself.
	All right.
	Well, listen, I appreciate the call and you call me again.
	Will you?
	Well, this is actually my second time calling.
	The first time I called was after the Flight 800.
	Oh, yes.
	And you were talking to this one guy about remote viewing.
	Ah, yes.
	And I called you up and told you that I tried that out of curiosity.
	Yes, I recall.
	Yeah, and you kind of came down.
	Well, there's a times three rule with talk radio, too.
	By the time you call three times, we've got you.
	Well, this one was the first time today.
	Yeah, but I mean, Collectively, you understand?
	Alright, I've got to run.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	From Dave in Ukiah, Dave says, Art, I have had an artificial heart valve made of titanium.
	I've had it for a year and a half now, and now I've developed a taste for WD-40.
	That's an ugly thought, Dave.
	How do you take it, Dave?
	Do you squirt it?
	Or use one of the spray bottles?
	and just sort of slosh it around in your mouth and swallow.
	To answer the question of the people in the chat room right now on AOL
	yes it is me Every now and then, I just pop in there.
	If you would like to join us, feel free.
	America Online.
	Go to Keyword.
	You know, you check Keyword up there at the top.
	And just type in Art Bell, my name.
	It'll take you to a place called the Periscope area.
	And you just click on the Grassy Knoll chat room.
	The Grassy Knoll Chat Room.
	I've always thought that was a particularly intriguing name for a chat room, the Grassy Knoll.
	And I am in there presently.
	Every now and then I just pop in, you know, and whenever I do, there is an immediate great argument about whether it's really Art Bell or not.
	Yes, it's really me.
	So if you'd like to join us and you're on AOL, that's where you go.
	This is Phil from Little Rock, Arkansas.
	How's everything in Little Rock this morning?
	Oh, it's just great.
	Good.
	We in the Christian world kind of consider you a new age voice crying into wilderness.
	All the subjects that you talk about in your thing are things that...
	No, sir, I'm... No?
	No, when we... The devil's toe jam?
	No, whenever we hear these things you all... Talk about?
	Yeah, it says for us to look up our redemption drawth now that Jesus is coming, and that's what you call the quickening?
	It's entirely possible.
	In truth, you know, there are a lot of people who think I'm the devil himself.
	I'm not.
	And I think it is equally possible that what I call the quickening will lead to the return of our Lord.
	And I don't rule that out, despite what a lot of people think.
	I think it's as possible as any of the other things we talk about.
	Well, I believe that your program is one of the most necessary things in today's age.
	The information that we're given, the subjects that are talked about... Well, how refreshing.
	You mean you don't want me tarred and feathered and drawn and quartered and run out of town on a rail?
	Or shot with a rail gun?
	No, I think you should come on earlier in the night and stay on longer.
	You do, huh?
	Yes, sir.
	It's really refreshing and delightful.
	I've studied all the subjects that you talk about for about 25 years now.
	You really think I ought to come on early?
	I'll tell you what I want you to do, okay?
	Okay.
	All weekend long this weekend, let's try an experiment.
	I want you to concentrate as hard as you can on the idea of me coming on earlier.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Can you promise me to try that?
	I'll be praying about it.
	All right, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	Cindy in Kansas City.
	Hello, Cindy.
	You're already off the air here, but I've been dialing so long it's kind of become obsessive-compulsive for me.
	So you just keep dialing?
	Yeah, I just keep dialing and keep dialing.
	Listen, you were talking about spontaneous combustion earlier?
	Oh, yes.
	Several years ago, six or seven years ago, I saw a special on television about this very
	subject.
	A doctor went around and investigated all the known reported cases in the world at that
	time and found that there was no class of people that this happened to primarily, or
	age group or race or anything like that.
	No pattern, it just happens?
	No pattern.
	But they found only one common denominator among all of them was that they seemed to
	eat a lot of shredded wheat for some reason.
	Really?
	Shredded wheat?
	Yeah.
	Honestly.
	I swear.
	I mean, I could understand it if they were ingesting lighter fluid.
	Stuff like that.
	But, I mean, how does shredded wheat put you into flames?
	Especially if you... I mean, nobody can take shredded wheat without milk, right?
	He didn't say.
	He just said that that seemed to be the only thing that all the people had in common was that they ate shredded wheat.
	And most of them ate a lot of it.
	Huh.
	This even happened to a 17-year-old schoolgirl walking home from school one day.
	She just burst into flames.
	I don't want to believe that could occur.
	Well, aren't you getting so big?
	360-some affiliates now?
	Yeah.
	Good Lord, I've been trying to dial you for two hours.
	I've listened to you for four years and I used to be able to get you every time.
	Well?
	I mean, there's a lot of people out there now.
	I really try real hard not to think about that, you know?
	Oh, hey, listen.
	I ordered absolutely fresh flowers for my mother for Mother's Day.
	Oh, did you?
	Oh, she loved them.
	Oh, well, yes.
	Flowers for the neighbors, flowers for people at work.
	It really is the deal.
	Okay, well, I'll talk to you some other time.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	Thanks for calling.
	Take care.
	I don't want to think about how big the show is getting.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	This is Dean from Venice.
	Are you familiar with the program content of ABC Nightline for Friday night?
	Yes, I am actually, Dean.
	This fax is to inform you of the topic for those of you that did not see it.
	I believe you'll find it interesting and hope you'll discuss it on your show.
	They covered alien life forms, mainly of microbiological and bacterial origin.
	They stated that a probe was sent to the moon before the Apollo mission.
	In that probe was a solar panel that an installation technician sneezed on.
	The bacteria left on the panel was launched to the moon.
	The probe stayed on the moon for two years in a zero-oxygen, highly radioactive environment.
	When the Apollo-NASA mission retrieved the probe, they discovered the bacteria to be alive and active.
	Scientists are concerned that bringing soil samples back from Mars could contain microbial lifeforms that are not killed by the harsh environment of space.
	They spoke about the very real possibility that these lifeforms could have serious negative impact on Earth.
	If you have seen this Nightline segment, I would like to hear your opinion and ask you to open the topic for discussion.
	Yeah, sure.
	Dean, by the way, thank you for the facts, Dean.
	I think that's pretty good evidence that such a thing is indeed possible, and that if we bring back material objects, rocks, whatever, such a thing could occur.
	However, bear in mind that the Earth is constantly being bombarded by meteorites, of various size, many of which do not burn up in the atmosphere, one of which we now know contains microbial life from Mars.
	So, if that danger was real, then we should have already been infected by, and perhaps are infected by, and one day will be infected by, something from somewhere else that doesn't quite burn up completely in the atmosphere.
	So I would think the risk of bringing back something from Mars would be no bigger than we experience as a general basis as meteorites re-enter and make it.
	Just my thought.
	What's for the Rockies?
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, Mel.
	Hey there.
	Hey, this is Joe from Mel's Hole, Washington.
	There's no such town.
	Yeah, well, you know Mel's Hole, right?
	Of course.
	I was the guy that called you about the hose reel, remember?
	Trying to reel up the fishing line?
	The 80,000 feet of monofilament?
	Yeah, 80,000 feet of monofilament.
	Told you to put it on the garden hose reel.
	Now you know who I am.
	Anyway, I just got in from the field and I noticed you're talking about some pretty obscure stuff here.
	I always do.
	Well, I got a couple riddles for you.
	It was given to me by my father.
	and that they seem pretty simple and pretty innocent enough but
	maybe you want to go over and there might be somebody out there that can give you a
	better answer to him but i don't know where i come across let me hear it i
	generally don't like this uh... okay the first thing that told me was
	how can you say you've been there if you've never been there before
	that was one well i have to do it with with with all of us are here
	either How can you say you've been there if you've never been there before?
	Where is the riddle in that?
	That's just common sense.
	No, it's a thing.
	It was something to think about.
	Why?
	Well, I guess it means déjà vu, maybe.
	Ah.
	See?
	And then the other one is... Well, that's the answer to the riddle, déjà vu.
	What did I come up with?
	Do you know what the definition of Deja Vu is?
	You've been there before.
	You feel that you have been there before.
	Right.
	Even though you have not.
	So if that is a riddle, that is the answer.
	Right, and that's what I thought it was.
	Alright, well I'll hear one more from you.
	Okay, the second one is, learn to see beyond the end of your nose and you shall know the ways of life.
	Grasshopper.
	Grasshopper.
	Well, no, my dad was a half-native Indian.
	I see.
	All right, well, that's something that would have been said to Grasshopper probably in one of the early grades.
	Right?
	Something about the nose.
	Sounds Chinese.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	This is my first attempt this morning to call you.
	We'll see.
	Now, so you get people on here that have been saying, I've been trying for a year and a
	half.
	And then you get somebody, of course, that's why we have the first time caller line.
	Well, I will tell you, it's not without great diligence this morning.
	My name is Brian, and I'm calling from Friendswood, just near Houston.
	All right.
	And you have gone off the air, but I keep on trying.
	We pick you up at about 1 a.m., and we carry you until 4 a.m.
	That seems reasonable.
	It is.
	It is? I wish you could be on longer.
	I wish we could too.
	Even more so.
	But I mean, you know radio stations have things they do.
	Very true, very true.
	As a matter of fact, I've done a little radio time myself on the West Coast.
	It's sometimes like doing jail time, huh?
	Very much so.
	Very much so.
	You have to stick to a schedule.
	Everyone does.
	That's exactly right.
	And at the same time every night, the door closes.
	Yes, it does.
	I've got three basic topics I would like to ask you real quick, each one being very short.
	Number one, have you seen the latest issue of Popular Mechanics?
	The movement of Area 51.
	Correct.
	I don't believe it.
	That's what I was going to ask you, whether it was information or disinformation.
	I would say disinformation.
	That would be my take on it.
	I read the article.
	It seemed rather apropos for this time.
	Yeah, but see, they've annexed more land around what we know as Area 51.
	Very much so.
	So why do that if you're going to move it?
	Next question.
	Very much so.
	Your book, The Quickening.
	Yes.
	I was going to mention to you that it very much falls in line with the sign of the times.
	Oh, I know.
	I don't want to be biblical with you, but... Yeah, that's alright.
	You can be as long as it's not quoting scripture.
	Well, I guess I can't then.
	That's right, you can't.
	But it is very much like a woman in labor.
	You know how the... Actually, that's one definition of the quickening, is the first I heard earlier this evening a gentleman talking about Father Malachi.
	The pain becomes greater and it becomes quicker.
	I didn't name it that lightly.
	Third topic?
	The third topic is Father Malachi.
	I heard earlier this evening a gentleman talking about Father Malachi.
	I listened to your program a few nights ago with Father Malachi on the show and to my
	amazement I have two jobs.
	I'm a screenwriter in the day and I deliver papers at night.
	Don't ask me, that's very strange.
	I was listening to the program and one of the stops that I made talked with me and said, did you know that Father Malachi is on?
	And I said, hmm, where have I heard that?
	I'm listening to it now.
	I'm listening to Art Bell talking with this gentleman and for the last half hour I've been trying to figure out where have I heard Father Malachi before?
	Well, I just happened to be reading his book.
	Oh, Windswept House?
	Yes.
	No, sir.
	It is The Keys of This Blood.
	Right.
	That's right.
	One of his older books.
	Yes.
	Sir, I'm going to have to cut out on you here.
	Okay.
	Bottom of the hour.
	Thank you.
	And I will mention this just to the audience quickly.
	My book is going to be ready to ship out on Tuesday.
	You can still get a first edition, second printing copy of The Quickening Still can get a signed copy, autographed copy.
	You can order right now, and they'll ship on Tuesday.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16, 1997.
	Coast to Coast is a production of the U.S. Department of State.
	This is a presentation of the Coast to Coast concert orchestra.
	Tonight, tonight we're gonna make it happen.
	Tonight we'll put all other things aside.
	Give in this time and show me some affection.
	We're going for those pleasures in the night.
	I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you.
	I want to squeeze you, You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from May 16th, 1997.
	Oh, I love these girls.
	They put the Spice Girls into the dirt, no question about it.
	Anyway, good morning, everybody, and welcome back.
	Final segment.
	Can you believe it already?
	Here we go again.
	Anything goes.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	And, oh, by the way, good morning, Anne.
	Good morning.
	Yes, sir.
	Good morning to you.
	You were talking earlier about, in 50 years, what the president then would be apologizing for.
	Well, first of all, Let me first ask you, do you think it's probable that in another 50 years we will have to be apologizing for what we're doing today?
	Probably.
	Yeah, me too.
	Alright, so what do you think?
	The way it's going with cloning, it'll probably be the Clinton clone in 50 years.
	Clint, you mean, well?
	Yeah, they went back and got his DNA and cloned Clinton.
	You know, there's reason enough right there to get to it.
	We need a law.
	Because, you know, Clinton, good, bad, or whatever, has the ability, I think, to become endlessly re-elected.
	And if they could clone him, that would mean a Clinton future for our grandchildren and their grandchildren, and on and on.
	The living nightmare.
	What about the reverse speech guy?
	No, because he can't do it instantly.
	That's got to be a sort of a thing later.
	It takes time to review and then come back later.
	But I don't... You know what?
	Good question.
	I wonder if they can do reverse speech with a voice changer.
	That's what I was wondering when you started talking like that.
	But have you thought about that reverse speech guy doing the interview you had with the man that flew into Area 51?
	That'd be a winner.
	That'd be a winner.
	And I'll tell you what else I've had a lot of requests for.
	Reverse speech analysis of the NASA guys.
	Uh-oh.
	First from the Clinton clone to the NASA people telling the truth.
	I don't know if the world could take it.
	Well, I've heard a number of reversals on President Clinton.
	And now that you've brought it up again, I say again, We must have a law.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	It's really too intense to even contemplate, even if you like President Clinton.
	Surely you wouldn't want an indefinite future with Clinton after Clinton after Clinton after Clinton.
	Hell, I couldn't even take that with George Bush.
	What's for the Rockies?
	Whoops, no you're not.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Jerry in St.
	Louis, Missouri.
	Hi, Jerry.
	I thought about something that we were talking about earlier, as far as the people, about people using other people's organs.
	Yes.
	Let's say somebody would put a serial killer or somebody's organs in.
	That's something to think about.
	I thought about it myself, yeah.
	That would be pretty awful, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, I also, I asked you once before, what's the name of the music you play on Dreamland?
	It's called the O of Pleasure.
	The O of Pleasure?
	The O of Pleasure.
	And who's the grouper, the person who plays it?
	I figured you'd ask that.
	I can't remember.
	Okay, well thanks.
	I'm sorry, I usually know, I can usually remember.
	Now that you've asked, I cannot remember.
	Okay.
	Thanks, sir.
	Goodbye.
	Good night.
	This is the music that he's referring to since he mentioned Dreamland.
	Let me see here.
	You know what we're going to be talking about this week?
	Dreams.
	Dreams.
	Dr. Robert Langs is the author of The Dream Workbook and The Daydream Workbook.
	And we are going to take a medical look at dreams.
	A scientific medical look at dreams.
	This is not dream interpretation.
	We're going to be talking about dreams from a medical point of view on Dreamland this week.
	Don't miss it, coming up Sunday.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	This is Rick calling you from the L.A.
	area.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, listen, I once requested that you have Colonel James Ammerman on, and I called his office, and they said that he's supposed to come on sometime on an 11 o'clock show, and it was Art Bell's show.
	Well, I have received no such communication, so I don't know how they could be saying that.
	Did you call him?
	Um, I think I did make a call, but there was no schedule set up, as I recall.
	We didn't finalize anything, so...
	Um, should I have them call you again?
	Well, yes, have them fax me or something, yes.
	Yeah, because they call the 1-800, uh, West of the Rockies line, that's probably why, because they're East of the Rockies, so I've got to give them the East of the Rockies line.
	That would make all the sense in the world.
	Better yet, give them my fax number.
	Oh, I don't have it, Art.
	It's, uh, you want it ready?
	Yes, uh, go ahead.
	Error code 702.
	702.
	727.
	727.
	8499.
	8499.
	Yes, sir.
	And you've got to have him on there, Art.
	He's got a lot to say about the Flight 800 downing, you know.
	All right, I'll listen.
	OK, thank you, Art.
	Right, take care.
	I'll certainly listen.
	We were touching on that last night, the Flight 800 business with Richard Hoagland.
	And Richard did point out something kind of interesting.
	On television, they have never shown the other side of the plane.
	They always say there is no apparent impact or exit point.
	In other words, if a missile hit an airplane, presumably, there would be an impact showing an inward fluxing of the metal of the fuselage as they put it back together again.
	And he did point out There's something that is, I think, right, and that is whenever they show the plane, they only show one side of it.
	You never get a camera look around of the entire plane.
	That doesn't mean that there's something they're hiding, but he did make a pretty good point.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	I can barely hear you, ma'am.
	Do you have a real phone there?
	No, just one of these portable ones.
	All right, that's better.
	That's better.
	Just get right into it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, the woman was calling a while back talking about brain death.
	Uh-huh.
	And I'm a critical care nurse and I've worked in critical care for nine years and been involved in several.
	Talk into that phone, ma'am.
	I've been involved in several organ donation cases.
	Right.
	And we've got two criteria.
	I don't know if it's different in other states, but in Washington they have to have no spontaneous respirations.
	No brain function other than brain stem.
	They're not technically brain dead.
	Well, there was a 60 Minutes piece several weeks ago in which, there was no doubt about it ma'am, before some of the things you just talked about occurred, they were harvesting organs.
	Yeah, I think it depends on the nature of the injury of the patient.
	If there's pretty much no brain function other than just baseline, they usually won't.
	Okay, well I appreciate your call but I'm not going to hold you on the line because you're just drifting away from your phone.
	When you call you've got to stay right into the phone or pretty soon we're not hearing you.
	Some people have a habit of doing that though.
	Make a call and the phone as they're talking will slowly drop down further and further until it's finally laying on their chest.
	You can't do that.
	You've got to talk right into the phone.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Josie from Richmond.
	Hi, Josie.
	I've been having difficulty getting a hold of you, but now this is the questions, the little information that I have for you about Mr. Rosenthal.
	When you had Richard Hoagland on the air, Friday, Saturday, April 25th and 26th, Richard said to, hey, everybody call The National News of Ted Koppel and Mr. John Holliman.
	Yes.
	Well, I knew that the papers all copy the AP, so I called the AP service and they directed me to this science writer called, guess what, Mr. Rosenthal.
	And so I thought you would like to know that I believe I referred uh... hogans website at the you know if you do it there are
	a lot of them ever uh... able to to really hear they hear just some of the
	main point and i could look at that i have decided they're not going
	to europe but you know how
	important that was to most of us who thought there was life there or that
	there's a possibility of life there Yes.
	I said for a hundred million dollars, the cost, one-fifth the cost of a bomber, we could send a... Well, now, wait a minute.
	Who were you actually speaking with?
	Mr. Rosenthal.
	You were speaking... Yes, I was.
	...to Harry Rosenthal?
	Yes, I was.
	And so he said, thank you very much.
	You know, he got the website address.
	I can't remember if I gave the phone number for Richard Hoagland, but I certainly gave the website address.
	I think he was interested in that.
	I also talked to John Holliman, happened to get a hold of him at CNN.
	He said, oh, we've already checked into that.
	And, you know, they are going to Europa.
	You know, like that was false.
	Well, that's not entirely true.
	What the men from NASA said was that there will be other missions And because of the intense interest in Europa, it probably will be done.
	Right, but it was for way in the future.
	That's right.
	You know, Holliman just said it wasn't true.
	Now, then you had your NASA people on there and they said they weren't going.
	Well, they said that in the present, with regard to the present decisions that have been made, with regard to the proposals that were made, Europa's proposals, quote, did not make the cut.
	That's right.
	Exactly.
	That's why I was confused.
	Now, I sent you a fax on all this, but you get lots of faxes.
	I don't know if you sent a fax yesterday.
	I don't know if you received it.
	But I do have a local news service telephone number for the AP News Service, if you're interested in that.
	Well, I can't give it out on the air until... For the AP News Service telephone?
	Yeah.
	Because I knew you had their fax number.
	Not until... Yeah, but that's right.
	But that was confirmed.
	Possibility that we get a number wrong.
	We're in big trouble.
	So this is what the people here gave me as their telephone there.
	And of course, I anyway, also Dan Golden was on Nightline this past week, I think it was.
	They had a thing on Nightline.
	Did you realize about the Amir subsidies?
	Yes.
	He was very defensive in his posture.
	Well, I think that's right.
	NASA is very defensive right now.
	Thank you.
	About their Amir Involvement.
	Their MIR involvement.
	A lot of congressmen are beginning to get a little irritated with regard to our involvement with MIR.
	Why are we involved with MIR?
	Have you asked yourself that question?
	Why are we launching space shuttle missions to maintain MIR?
	Why are we contributing oxygen equipment To keep Mir going?
	Why do we have an American on a spacecraft that I don't think is entirely safe, despite what NASA's said all week long?
	I don't have the answer to any of those questions.
	I would like to proceed with our own space station.
	Instead, we have joined the Ruskies for whatever reason.
	It really never has been explained.
	Satisfactorily.
	So I'll leave it at that for now.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Mr. Bell.
	Yes.
	Hi, my name is Mike.
	I'm calling from Lihue, Kauai, Hawaii.
	Hi, Mike.
	A couple weeks ago, you had an author or someone making a book called Lucifer's Hammer?
	Yes.
	And I just finished reading it.
	Dr. Jerry Purnell, it is a wonderful book, isn't it?
	Yes, it's very good.
	I'm just wondering if you have on your web page if you have anything with any other good book reads or anything?
	I suppose I ought to construct a list like Wayne Green does of books that you absolutely have to read.
	But presently I do not have that, no.
	But it's a good idea.
	I mean if we get a cat page we can have a book page.
	That's true.
	One more quick question?
	Yes.
	Did you ever have George Lucas on?
	No, but I'd love to.
	I've read all of his books, and it's just a fascinating world that he's created with his mind and all these other authors.
	Oh, I'd love to.
	He'd be a blast to have on, sure.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you very much, sir.
	Thank you.
	I will have anybody on, if you haven't figured that out yet, virtually from any discipline at all.
	Anybody who is interesting, I'll have on.
	Happy to.
	I don't, you know, to me there are no limits.
	Why would anybody want to set limits for what they would do with regard to, say, a program like this, Talk Radio?
	Why would you want to set limits?
	Foolish!
	And yet the entire industry does it.
	One day they'll figure it out.
	Like, the old liners in Talk Radio have this vision that Talk Radio must be It must be political.
	It must discuss things like the budget.
	The budget.
	The balanced budget.
	Newt Gingrich is fine.
	The president's latest malady.
	Or problem with some lady who's going to sue him.
	Whatever.
	It's like they have an idea that that is what talk radio must be and they have this narrow vision of it.
	One of these days they'll open their eyes, hopefully before their pocketbook evaporates.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, this is Fred up in Tacoma.
	Hi there.
	I want to refer back to that woman that was on about an hour and a half ago with the Transplants with the cravings and such?
	Yes.
	Well, I had a transplant about two and a half years ago.
	About six months after I had the transplant, I started craving root beer for a real long time.
	What was transplanted?
	My liver.
	Your liver?
	Yeah.
	And you started wanting root beer?
	Oh yeah, really bad.
	I'd go to a drive-in and I'd have this really strong craving for root beer.
	I had this craving for like a year and a half.
	Then it just tapered off.
	Very strange.
	Well, do you know who the donor was?
	No, I don't.
	Do you want to know?
	I think at this point, no.
	And previous in your life, you had not ever particularly been a root beer kind of person?
	This is true.
	I was more of a Coca-Cola type of person.
	Dave up in Ukiah sent me a fax saying that he had an artificial heart valve.
	Uh-huh.
	And he's had a craving for WD-40 ever since.
	You know, they have these... That's a good one.
	Made of titanium.
	I wonder how he gets it in.
	I don't know.
	He sprays it.
	Maybe he snorts it.
	Oh, man.
	That'd be painful.
	A red tube, huh?
	Well, yes, it would.
	It certainly would.
	Thank you, sir.
	All right.
	Take care.
	The only way you could verify whether the organ was causing that craving would be to research your donor and find out if that person talked to the family, had had a big thing for root beer, and I'd say it's better than not that they did.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	Hello there.
	Where are you?
	Arlington, Texas.
	Burlington, Texas.
	I was your first caller when you came to 570.
	No kidding.
	Yeah.
	Listen, I know you're almost out of time and I wanted to let you know along the lines of apologies for the president.
	About two or three nights ago, I heard on one of the other local stations, I think it was the national news feed, they said that I think 1961 or 1962, the government sprayed some kind of a thing like with a crop duster anyway with a cancerous agent.
	Where?
	Where?
	Over the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex.
	Also Waco and Denton.
	Oh my God.
	Listen, maybe fortunately the program is now over.
	Only time for you to get the honors.
	Do it!
	Go ahead, do it.
	You've been listening to Art Bell, coast to coast.
	I did, I guess.

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