Art Bell’s May 16, 1997 Coast to Coast AM open lines dive into Area 51’s alleged alien interrogations, NASA’s Mir skepticism, and Clinton’s Tuskegee apology, questioning future government wrongdoing. Callers debate organ transplants—Claire Sylvia’s heart-lung dreams, genetic memory theories, and serial killer donations—while Bell dismisses spontaneous combustion but acknowledges unexplained deaths. A Hanford nuclear light sighting and I-40 UFO reports add to the fringe speculation, blending science, metaphysics, and conspiracy as Bell defends his unconventional approach, hinting at deeper truths beyond mainstream narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
Coming up on the 23rd, that would be one week from tonight at the stroke of midnight in my time zone, we are going to receive a call from, not make one to, because that would disclose his secret location and secret identity.
We will receive a call from Victor.
Now, who is Victor?
You may recall there was footage shown, like two or three seconds of it, of an alien supposedly being interrogated at Area 51.
And they had various experts in that area.
If you can have an expert in that area, Whitley Streeber was one of them.
Very emotional about what he saw.
And I've done a little gem for you this morning.
The second photograph, and this has been seen nowhere else as far as I know, is up on my website as of this moment.
It is of the same alien, obviously, with a doctor with white gloves, and they have blanked out the doctor's face, tending to or poking or prodding or doing something to this creature.
Well, photograph number two arrived today.
And as I normally would, I put it immediately up on the website.
So if you want to see it, it has not ever been seen before.
It is at www.artbell.com.
Take a look.
Let me know what you think.
Next week, we get an opportunity to interview Victor.
Now, he will be using a voice-changing devices.
Well, maybe he will be using plural.
I don't know.
He will be using a voice-changing or modifying device.
And they work actually quite well.
And as a matter of fact, I like mine so much.
I went out and got one after I heard it someplace or another.
I can't recall when.
I went out and got a voice changer, I don't know, about a year ago, so that whenever I want, I can modify my voice.
And actually, to give you an idea of what can be done, I can modify my voice in more ways than one.
unidentified
For example, I can take it anywhere I want, very low, or I can begin to take it very high until you can barely tell that I have male parts at all.
And we'll be interviewing him at the midnight, the stroke of midnight hour on the 23rd.
And I wonder if any of you think that I should bring somebody along to do the interview, maybe Whitley.
He's very emotional about this.
He might not want to do it.
Maybe somebody else.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Anyway, if you want to see the second photograph, and I think this is one of the ones that was particularly disturbing to Whitley, it's there now.
The space shuttle has successfully docked with Mir.
And there is a new American, actually a British-born, I guess American, going on Mir.
Now, I am still not satisfied that Mir is safe.
NASA, of course, went through great amounts of toil and trouble doing interviews all last week to say that Mir was safe as far as NASA was concerned, or they would never send another American up there.
I don't know how I feel about that.
I think perhaps they protest a bit much.
Anyway, I got facts today from somebody who
And I had one facts from somebody who said he talked to Mr. Rosenthal's boss who said that Mr. Rosenthal got angry, very angry, and threw all of them in the trash.
So that is as much feedback as I have had from our Mr. Rosenthal thus far.
He's angry, and he has trashed all our faxes.
Now, of course, that word comes from a listener, somebody who had managed to get in touch with not Mr. Rosenthal, because he wasn't talking to any of you, I guess, but his boss.
So they got angry and trashed them all.
President Clinton issued the nation's apology to the eight remaining, that's only eight folks, remaining survivors of the Tuskegee experiment, Friday, the President said the U.S. government did something, quote, deeply and profoundly, unquote, wrong.
I wonder why they put the unquote prior to the wrong part.
The president said, I apologize and I am sorry.
The original experiment involved 400 black men who were left untreated for syphilis so that we might understand medically what occurs when a black man is not treated for syphilis.
And by the way, the answer is the same thing that happens to a white man who is left untreated for syphilis.
That's the answer.
And you know what it made me wonder?
It makes me wonder what we're going to be apologizing for, oh, say, 50 years from now.
What do you think a president 50 years from now is going to have to come on the television or the 3D machine by then, the holographic image generator, and apologize for?
That, by God, back in 1997, we were barbarians, ladies and gentlemen, in this country.
And we have to apologize.
What for, though?
Well, we can only imagine today what they're doing if they did this then.
Of course, Tuskegee isn't the only example.
We went through this the other night.
You know, our government fed plutonium to pregnant women and children and all kinds of things so that we could check the effects of that.
Remember, Hazel O'Leary, the energy secretary, informed us about that one.
So today, we apologized for Tuskegee.
And my mind then goes to, okay, 50 years from now, what do you think our president then, whoever it might be, or leader or dictator, will have to apologize for?
Which is another way of asking what dastardly stuff you think we're doing at the moment.
Oh, you don't think we're doing anything, really?
You think we have become like the driven snow, pure?
I have a bridge for you, and I'll even sew you the water that runs underneath it.
O.J. Simpson, getting this now just right, wearing ragged pants with a hole in the back, says he has no money, and he's going to have to move out of his mansion, all because of the wrongful death damage award against him, the 33.5 million.
Now, his lawyer says he has in fact earned about $400,000 since the beginning of the year, and this is May, right?
So, I think that was a nice touch.
When you do a press conference to indicate to the world that you're broke, you go and you find a pair of old pants with a hole in the back.
You do that for press conferences where you're talking about judgments against you and visits to the IRS.
Defense Secretary William Cohen is urging a very reluctant Congress to close more military bases.
Actually, she was Miss USA and now, of course, is she took it all, folks.
The USA took it all.
This is a very interesting, disturbing Associated Press story indicating that the commander of NATO and U.S. forces in Europe said Monday, he is checking a report that, get this now, folks, recent malfunctions have switched Russian nuclear missiles to, quote, combat mode, unquote, on several occasions.
Reports we've seen up to this date have been that the nuclear warheads have been properly cared for.
Now, bear in mind it says up until this date.
But this brings another bit of information, and we're going to have to assess and look into it.
Now, there's a lot more to the story, but that is the nutshell.
Now, of course, they're claiming they have codes and other things that would prevent a launch.
But why am I not real warm and fuzzy hearing that Russian ICBMs have been automatically, I say again, automatically switching themselves into combat mode?
In the world of things that are okay, that's not my opinion.
All right, look, this is going to be open lines tonight, and anything you want to talk about, anything at all, is fair game.
It is, I warn you, a Friday night, Saturday morning.
And, you know, that means you better buckle in because when I open the lines and I don't screen calls, truly, truly, anything can happen.
We'll get the numbers out and begin this odyssey, and you never know where it's going in a moment.
That's one of the movies I was really looking forward to.
So, that's one opinion.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
In the spring of 2047, the President will be apologizing for the atrocities that were committed back in 2001 when President Perot ordered the invasion of Canada.
well it was it was going fairly well until about june when things are out of hand in the new to moose jaw and well it was just pretty much downhill from there ho ho ho ho so you think parole elected in the next major election mhm uh...
ABC's 2020 did a fascinating report tonight about a woman in her 50s who had received, get this, a heart-lung transplant, heart and lungs, from a teenage boy and suddenly had the cravings of a teenage boy.
The bottom line seemed to be that, as ABC said, the heart may be more than just a pump.
Heart transplants are fairly common now, aren't they?
Fairly regular procedure.
No, it isn't.
Not regular.
But done more frequently, and other organs certainly have been transplanted.
But could it be that what we think of as our soul is at least partially contained in the various organs that make us up?
I mean, nobody exactly ever told me where the soul is.
Now, some will say the soul is esoteric and not physical, has nothing to do with the physical, but who said that's true?
Who said that's true?
And if a woman in her fifties begins to feel like a teenage boy after getting the parts of a teenage boy, it's gotta make you stop and scratch your head a little bit and wonder again and again about the nature of the soul.
Did part of him more than just physical thumping, pumping organs, transfer to her?
Yeah, this mirror spacecraft, you know, all these astronauts have been going up there, and recently they had that one woman who was up there for about six months, wasn't she?
Yes, and even though they never quite said it, I had the distinct impression that she wasn't real happy about being there.
unidentified
Well, I was wondering, all this business with these photographs from these astronauts seeing outdoor windows and everything, if that woman there, if you could ever get a hold of her in one way and ask, they've been heading that space station after for how many years now?
No, I know exactly where you're going, and I would love to go there, and I appreciate the call, but that man is saying, invite a current astronaut on the program to try and tell what he or she has seen.
And you're particularly correct when you would pick on somebody who's been up there for, say, a half year.
That's a lot of window gazing, half year, isn't it?
So very likely she would have seen something, but the odds of her being able to talk about it are slim and none.
In other words, she remains on active duty in the Astronaut Corps, and there is no way in hell that even if she did see anything, she's going to talk about it.
And I come back a few seconds later, and he's talking about earth changes could affect people, and this could show them, this could cause them to have visions of UFOs.
Yeah, supposedly there was some spate of things that happened in some other part of the country, and they were wondering, all of these kids lived near power lines.
It was in a city, maybe Kansas City or St. Louis or something.
Yes, power lines, RF energy of the sort that I have near me.
I'm a ham operator.
I have a lot of it near me.
It's pretty well documented now to have effects on the human body.
Now, carry it a step further.
If there is a coming Earth change and the magnetic influence of the Earth is beginning to change in some way, it's absolutely possible that either in specific areas or even in wide areas or maybe even worldwide, we would all be affected.
I mean, you're dead right.
You could be dead right.
So I appreciate the thought.
What do you think about this 2020 piece?
unidentified
You heard me talk about that?
I've heard something like that.
There was a man, he may have been in England, but it may have been here.
He received the heart of a teenager who had died in a drunk driving accident.
I don't know if that's the seat or if it's one of the seats or maybe one of the access points.
Or maybe this has always been happening, but like you say with the quickening, maybe 20 years ago this was happening, but the mass consciousness was not able to become aware of this.
There is no question that we are affected by electromagnetic energy.
We are, in essence, electrical beings.
Neurons firing in our brains.
Impulses sent, for example, so that when we hurt ourselves or burn ourselves, we go out.
Well, that's a little electrical signal that was sent.
So would electrical signals be affected by large changing magnetic or electromagnetic fields?
Yes, of course.
And again, it translates right back to this incredible story.
Could it be that our soul is perhaps even evenly somehow distributed in our entire body?
You cannot rule out that possibility, and if that is true, then it gives weight to what 2020 ran last night and tells us something about the nature of the soul, doesn't it?
I appreciate the call, sir, and I know exactly what you're speaking about.
However, I think that there's a big difference because I don't think they knew that from the beginning.
Now, from the point, and we have no way of knowing, when they realized that in doing that, they would contaminate vaccines with things that would be passed from animals to humans, from the point they really knew, then you could, I'd talk about a cover-up.
But look, it's not in the same category as the Tuskegee experiment, and the difference is premeditation.
In Tuskegee, there was premeditation not to treat 400 black men who we knew to have syphilis to see what would happen.
Now, my question was, 50 years from now, from today, what do you imagine a president, if by then we still have one, will be apologizing for?
In other words, it's another way of saying, what do you think we're doing today?
Malachi will say every time that any time I ask him to come on, he will come on.
It's as simple as that.
unidentified
Yeah, he's just...
Certainly.
Certainly a one of a kind.
But I don't know if you've ever read any of his books.
I've read several of them, and there's several things that he kind of talks about, and there's kind of a side to him in what he presents in his material that I've never heard on your show.
Well, what it basically involves is his work with the, I guess, the higher levels of the Vatican.
He doesn't go into his actual dealings with it in the books that I've read.
But he kind of really just more describes the Vatican's view on politics and the state of the world and where the world's headed in general.
And anyway, I've read two in particular which really seem to talk about that.
And one is The Keys of this Blood.
And the last one is Windswept House, his latest book.
And I was just curious if I sent you some questions that would kind of, that were drawn from both of those books, if you might just kind of look over them sometime and see what you think.
2020 did a report tonight about a woman in her 50s who just received a heart and lung transplant from a teenage boy and suddenly had the cravings of a teenage boy.
Bottom line, according to ABC, is the heart and maybe the lungs may be more than just what they seem to be, organs, more than just a pump.
In other words, they may actually contain some element that is us intellectually.
unidentified
Yeah, well, I don't know.
I kind of looking at just what you've talked about, I've done a little reading just on my own about, well, what it involved basically is alternative, really radically alternative nutritional approaches to not so much health, but just your state of being in general.
And from what I gather, whenever I heard that, I've heard people talk about that before, say, for example, a heart, someone receiving an organ and having a certain addiction or a craving or something like that.
But basically, from what a lot of these stuff that I've read, at least, and I am no expert, each of our cells basically is its own unit, has its own chemistry in a way.
And what we eat, particularly in the case of, say, particularly powerful narcotics or drugs in general, alcohol included, by constantly having those in our body, they change the individual chemistry of those cells.
And according to what these people claim, they claim that, say, for example, a fasting, a juice fast, for example, by so thoroughly cleansing each cell of your body as you would do in, say, a 10-day or 14-day fast, you're changing the chemistry of each cell.
And that because of that, your cravings, for example, say, it could be even for a food, or it could be even, say, for a drug, particularly, is caused by those chemical imbalances.
You're creating a chemical environment, which I guess I suppose that chemical becomes part of the actual process or the metabolizing process of that cell.
I found Richard Hoagland so good it was painful to listen to.
I could only take it in small doses.
Concerning your reservation, though, about the moral inability to jump the hurdle and go to the conclusion that the government or people in the government be capable of murder, if we have a federal government which presidential administration after administration has, as Joyce Riley indicated, been willing to sacrifice the lives and welfare of 600,000 Gulf War veterans alone.
Yeah, in microcosm, the regarding black men as somehow less than human or less than fully entitled to the same rights as white men would have been granted.
Very, very clinically in the long run, because most of the people who needed the apology are dead, and they're dealing now with their grandchildren or great-grandchildren.
It's like the cases of racial discrimination we've just hit where black men who were serving in the armed forces during World War II are now finally getting the combat medals and awards and recognition that they deserved 50 years ago.
So my question again is, 50 years from now, what do you imagine some president, if we still have one by then, might be apologizing for?
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I think two things.
They're going to be apologizing for the cover-up of the most pivotal event in human history, Roswell, and the events thereafter.
And they are going to be apologizing for all the atrocities done to surviving U.S. veterans, from the sacrifice of the 1,800 MIAs in Vietnam to the 600,000 written off as expendable.
With regard to yesterday's program, Mr. Rosenthal, the Associated Press reporter, apparently was besieged with mountains of faxes from all of you.
And nobody save one person was able to talk to him.
Actually, nobody talked to him today, really.
He didn't want to talk to anybody.
But somebody out there talked to his boss.
And his boss relayed to this person, so it's all thirdhand, the fact that Mr. Rosenthal got angry and threw away all of our faxes.
Just threw them away.
So that's all we know right now.
Wait word from Ms. Rosenthal.
I'm not holding my breath.
I don't want to pass on that quickly.
The shuttle has docked with Mir, and we'll put yet another American on Mir.
And I am not satisfied that Mir is safe, despite the week-long blitz by NASA saying that it is now safe.
I don't think it is.
The President of the United States issued an apology to the eight surviving members of the Tuskegee experiment.
He said what the U.S. government did was deeply and profoundly wrong, and, quote, I apologize and I am sorry, unquote, and it causes me to wonder what the president is going to be apologizing for if we have one 50 years from now.
At any rate, it causes me to wonder what we're going to be apologizing for 50 years from now.
If anybody has that answer, or I guess you'd be welcome to call in.
O.J. Simpson says he is broke.
He wore ragged pants with a hole in the back.
Says he's got no money.
He's going to have to move out of the mansion.
This is tragic.
The $33.5 million settlement against him is the problem.
He only earned $400,000 since the beginning of the year.
Only $400,000.
A hole in his pants.
And I said earlier, the only two places you do that are when you're going to a news conference to tell the world you're broke.
And when you go to see the IRS.
Honey, get me that pair of pants with a hole in the back, will you?
Defense Secretary Cohen is talking about more base closures.
It would seem that Congress is not wild about that idea.
Oh, here's a fax in response.
Hi, Art.
It's been a long time since I faxed your show.
It's Ray from Sam T. Wanted to know what the government might apologize for in 50 years.
One, an apology to all the people who lost their family farms and businesses due to unfair inheritance taxes.
Two, an apology to all the average citizens that Paid into a bankrupt social security system.
Now that would be some speech.
We're sorry, we can issue no more social security checks.
Remember the old no new taxes pledge?
This moment would make that look like kindergarten time.
An apology for not preserving an outdated concept called the Constitution.
Well, don't expect that one.
And a great big apology for shutting down too many of our military bases and not disarming the Soviet nuclear threat.
And by the way, while we're on that subject, the commander of NATO, according to the Associated Press, and, get this, U.S. Forces in Europe said Monday, he's checking a report now that recent malfunctions have switched Russian nuclear missiles to combat mode.
Combat mode.
Automatically on several occasions.
Can you imagine that?
You're sitting there in an ICBM silo and the whole damn thing begins to switch on and go into combat mode.
Now, where was it that they pointed those things?
Didn't they say they weren't pointed over at us anymore?
One week from right now, Victor is going to be here.
Now, who is Victor?
And Victor will be using a voice changer, and he'll be calling us.
So, we're going to be able to interview him for an hour.
A luxury they did not have on Strange Universe.
Victor is the man who provided the video that is said to be, in total, a three-minute piece of footage smuggled out of Area 51 by Victor, who claims that he had occasion to be there and took this while the entire contents of a massive series of interviews with a number of alien creatures were being downloaded from video to analog.
And guess what?
I've got the second promised photograph up there right now.
It shows, folks, and you'll be able to go to my website and see it, but what it shows is the alien, a closer photograph of the alien, with a man, presumably a doctor, who has white gloves on, putting his finger into the mouth of this alien.
Nobody else has this photograph.
It is an exclusive on our website right now.
It went up there a couple hours ago.
So if you want to see what nobody has seen until now, it's on my website at www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com.
And let's see, where do you want to go?
You want to go to latest news and items.
And the very first item will read second interrogation video image from Victor.
Now, Victor will be here, as I said, using a voice changer next week.
And I'm trying to decide whether I want to interview Victor alone or whether somebody else should be here.
Perhaps inviting Whitley Streeber if he's up to it.
I don't know.
We'll see.
And then there's one more really, really cool item.
ABC's 2020 last night did a report about, get this.
Now imagine this in your mind.
A woman in her 50s who received a heart-lung transplant from a teenage boy.
Hearts and lung, heart and lungs, apparently, from a teenage boy, and suddenly, after it, had the cravings of a teenage boy.
Now, ABC said the heart may be, quote, more than just pump, unquote.
And so it leaves one, it leaves a lot of questions begging, doesn't it?
About the nature of the soul.
Is the soul embedded in all that we are, along with our genetic code?
You know, I don't know.
I don't have these answers, but is a woman in her mid-50s having the cravings of a teenage boy?
Now, there was a recent story on CNN about heart transplants being illegal in Japan.
They are, it's true.
They will not transplant organs in that country because they believe the soul is not complete if the organs are removed.
That's Dick in Hawaii.
He said kind of interesting, I would say, in light of the 2020 story.
Okay, the question is, is what source did you get the information regarding the Russian missiles targeting particular countries or going into combat mode?
The article in question is by Susan M. Schaefer, who is an AP Associated Press Military Writer.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
Okay.
and the coming up from a yes is i'm also a pilot and i remember recently there was a you know the cali and apparently was airborne Yes, sir.
Yep.
And it just seemed a little odd, the mindset that enabled him to talk in the mannerisms that he was talking in.
I mean, because I know that if I've ever gotten into anything that was quite unusual when I was flying, I was not able to maintain a real gentle tone in my voice.
Lynn in San Francisco said, the 2020 program on the 57-year-old woman with the teenage boy's heart, apparently long as well, her name is Claire Sylvia.
And along with the cravings, she also dreamt the name of her donor.
Oh my God.
And this, hello, Art, concerning the transplant recipient.
Have you ever thought about a hologram where every individual part of the whole has all the elements of the whole?
Maybe the heart and lungs of the teenager contained all the elements of the whole teenager.
Some say it's how the brain works.
Why not the heart and lungs?
That's Martin in West Lynn, Oregon.
Thank you, Martin.
I don't dismiss it, Martin.
Not at all.
And incidentally, from Gene in Minneapolis, Art, there are a whole bunch of new crop circle formations.
They're coming in fast now.
Since you first reported them this year, you can access them from your website.
Yes, the Crop Circle website.
It is true and they're coming in fast and furiously now as I predicted they would.
Here is our young lady who was raised as a Catholic.
Where I was going was that since every cell is part of that individual, the DNA, wouldn't it be logical to say that every cell stores, as you said, like a kind of collective memory of its inheritance?
If that is the case, and this evidence would tend to lean in that direction, then is it morally proper?
I think my answer would still be yes.
And I'll give you my logic.
Even though it might be a little godlike to be doing it, let's think about it for a second.
What is wrong with somebody giving the gift of life, even if it means they're giving some portion of themselves, their real selves?
You know, we all imagine our bodies to be as nothing once we're dead, and I believe that's true.
I think it's true.
Anyway, even if some of what we are lingers in our organs, our cells, our DNA, our very being, and is transferred, you are giving the gift of yourself after you have died.
I don't know.
This really does require some fairly serious thought.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe there should be a moral objection to doing that.
It depends on exactly what the nature of the soul really is, doesn't it?
You know, in regards to this 2020 article, years ago I read in a newspaper, in a little column, Phil, that scientists had recognized that underneath the heart, on the left-hand side, there was tissue similar to tissue, the type of tissue that is in the brain.
And I didn't use the first time caller line, but However you can get in, it doesn't matter.
Yes.
Anyway, I had one theory on the heart and lung transplant.
Yes.
I was reading a book one day about memory, and they had two rats, and they taught one rat how to run through a maze, and after a while, it learned where to take the turns, and they took a blood sample from that rat and injected it into the other rat that they hadn't taught at all.
But if it's true, through whatever means, we don't understand the science.
They don't.
But if it's true, then, what are the ethics of doing this?
unidentified
Oh, well, I guess you could make really smart people.
You could get the memory from, let's say if we had a blood sample from Albert Einstein, we could somehow take that out and inject it into somebody else.
And I think my answer is if they're harvested after death.
That's really important.
And lately I've been hearing some disturbing news about harvesting prior to death.
But assuming that it's done after brain death, then I think there is a moral stand you could take that would say that if part of me saved the life and continued the life of somebody else, that's a good thing, not a bad thing.
I hope.
unidentified
Well, and you know what my feelings are about it is this body is just a shell for us to use while here on earth anyway.
I mean the spirit of who we are is in us, yes, but the body and every part of the body is just a shell for us to use during our life here on earth.
And what it suggests really has got to rock you back for a couple of minutes and make you begin to think about what might be as opposed to what we have traditionally believed.
There was an article in 1991 that I didn't catch in time, but it's an article in the Review Journal about 12 bighorn sheep being found at the north end of the Mormon Mountains dead in an inaccessible spot to reach by either foot or horseback.
And they think they were dropped out of an airplane.
And they were dead long enough that they didn't want to take an autopsy on them at the time.
Well, I thought it was very well done, and they were objective about it.
The points that I want to make are metaphysical more than physical.
Excellent.
That is, if the soul has to leave the body in order for the body to die, wouldn't it remain if a major part of that body was still alive, especially major organs like the heart and lungs?
And if I suddenly, in essence, woke up inside the body of about an 11 or 12-year-old girl, I'd be really ticked off.
unidentified
Well, if you believe at all in reincarnation, and I believe that you do, if you come back, you come back in the body of a baby.
I know you're without the knowledge that you have been here before immediately, but at any rate, another possibility is that I have heard people who have talked about having near-death experiences, and they remain near the body even though they are out of that body, and they feel an attachment to the body and a sense of wanting to take care of that body.
And suppose he has, you know, he has moved out, but he is remaining near, or has remained near, because she did say that as the years went by, that a lot of this has diminished.
And so maybe, you know, he has gradually withdrawn himself from her.
Perhaps so.
Not actually attached to those organs, but maybe has been hanging around as a caretaker in the sense.
But if I were to wake up, say, in the body of a 12-year-old girl, man, knowing what I know, for one thing, I can tell you this, my attitude about men, it'd be poor.
very poor I mean knowing what I know about myself under those circumstances I would not be West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
So I really think that it is totally proper to ask what you think we might be apologizing for 50 years from now, which is another way of asking what you think we're doing now.
Do you think we're doing the same kind of horrible thing now?
I'll bet we are.
unidentified
Absolutely.
I think there's no doubt about it.
You know, the one thing that it reminds me of is that it's Joseph Mengele's stuff being carried out after, you know, he left off because that's exactly what he was doing.
There were eight, indeed, there was an explosion heard 30 miles away that did not, they're still saying, involve the release of any nuclear materials, but did flood.
And eight were taken to the hospital, apparently unhurt.
Keyword, apparently.
So that's all we know right now.
unidentified
Well, the thing is, after it was announced, I heard it on a newscast on your show, I looked for it the next day in newspapers.
I suspect love is probably the most important, powerful force in the universe.
Did you ever wonder about that?
The most powerful force in the universe?
It's probably love.
Well, anyway, onward.
Open lines tonight, all night long.
You're certainly welcome to join in.
Oh, I know what I want to get in.
I know what I want to get in.
I promised you that every time we got an opening on one of our cruises, that I would let you know.
We have, I think, one opening in Egypt.
We're going to Egypt, actually, Rome.
We're going all over the place.
October 1st.
And I think there's one opening there.
And I think there's one opening or maybe two openings left in Alaska.
That's it, folks.
And so every now and then when I get some openings in the cruises, I'll let you know.
Stan Dale's going to be here Monday.
People have been requesting the return of Stan Dale for a long time, and we've got it arranged.
He will be our guest Monday night at the beginning of the program, Stan Dale from Australia.
As I said, my network truly loves it when I have guests from Australia and England and Moscow.
Stan is an expatriate living in Perth, Australia.
Stan, I don't want to say was exiled To Australia.
I'll let him explain that himself.
And he's got a lot of new stuff.
I understand his webpage has some dire warnings on it.
And so we're going to inquire what that's all about and talk of many things with Stan Deo.
He's a very unusual person.
And all I can say is you're not going to want to miss it.
That's this coming Monday night, beginning of the week.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Hi, Art Bell.
Thank you for taking my call.
Listen, my name is Mark.
I'm an aspiring actor here in Los Angeles.
The reason for my, well, I've had a couple of parts, but nothing real important, so I'm still kind of a struggling artist, as they call it.
but i'm calling you show because uh...
i had my first out-of-body experience i was wondering if any of your listeners out there can describe a couple of things that's going on that i'm having a bit of trouble with i've i've read about the thing for like fifteen years now i've always tried it for years and years and never Well, as I got out the first time, I started saying to myself, out-of-body, I said, wow, this is it.
I'm out of body.
I've made it.
I've done it.
And I started roaming the hallways of the building where I am.
I could walk through all of the things that are made of wood, but I couldn't seem to go through like the solid brick walls or doors.
So rest assured, when we can, we will have Gordon Michael Scallion back on.
And those of you who can remember from those years ago, the predictions that he made still have not manifested themselves.
And people will from time to time send me an email or something and say, see, he was wrong.
No, he was not wrong.
He said that when a certain cycle, a three-cycle ring of fire series of earthquakes would occur, and it would have to be three in a row, that would complete a cycle that would begin a really serious group of earth changes.
And we have never seen that cycle of three complete three times.
So those who say he was wrong, he was wrong, you're wrong because what he has predicted has not yet occurred.
He only knew, you know, people who do That kind of thing rarely, if ever, can give you a timeline.
They can only say when the following occurs, that will mean the following.
And that's what Gordon Michael Scallion did.
And we have not yet completed that cycle.
We got very, very close once.
We literally completed two-thirds of it.
But the third part of the cycle never manifested itself, has not yet.
But as the caller points out, it's pretty active out there right now.
If anybody else in that area saw what this man saw, call now.
The numbers you would use would be, I guess, east of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033 or the wildcard line, 702-727-1222.
That sounds like a pretty serious sighting.
From what he described, it almost sounds like the Star Trek, you know, something out of Star Trek when they would go into a warp drive, the way he described it.
I should have asked him if that was roughly accurate.
But first of all, do you believe it's possible that the physical parts or blood of a person transferred to another could transfer some sort of genetic or holographic memory in those cells?
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I wonder if it's that or that the people have acquire an extrasensory or already have an extrasensory perception that just becomes, you know, shows up at that time.
You know, I would tend to doubt that, and I would think that the theory, the homeographic theory works for me, and that is that you are, in every part of you, you.
In other words, all of your cells, all of your makeup contains the totality of you in some way.
There's been a lot, you know, I give my own blood to myself.
There's a lot of people that won't take other people's blood, and whether it's a Jehovah's Witness and a couple other religions won't even take blood because apparently they believe there's something to do this.
A man sent me back saying in Japan that they don't do organ transplants because they believe the soul is contained in the physical body.
unidentified
I heard it slightly different, that in Japan they don't do it because their idea of dead is both brain and heart dead, where if you wait for the brain to die, the organs are dead by that time.
Yeah, but the way I understand the harvesting of organs, aside from a horrible little 60-minutes piece I saw not long ago, they're supposed to wait for brain death before they take any organs?
And it may have been that, according to the piece I saw, they have been a little hurried, shall we say, in some cases, in declaring clinical death in order to harvest absolutely fresh parts.
unidentified
That could be true, but if the brain, if only the brainstem is functioning, there's no way of the life returning.
And in those cases, they normally, you know, there's no heart or anything else going.
It's only kept going artificially.
And I think we've always used for heart death, heart and breath, breathing death, rather than brain death with organ transplants.
I've heard several stories, but they were in like the sun and things like that, of people who had transplants and like some lady all of a sudden liking cigars and things like that.
Well, look, if you were on, you know, on your deathbed, I mean on your deathbed, and you had an organ failing, and you could get a oinker organ, would you go for it?
unidentified
Um probably not because it's the only thing we've got available, ma'am.
You know what you're listening to here, don't you?
This is a group called Cusco.
And I'm in type with Cusco.
And I can tell you that beginning in July, I'm going to be able to begin playing the third part of the trilogy called Return to Native America.
And I can't begin to tell you how excited I am and how I can't wait to do it.
It's absolutely killing me.
I know a lot more than I can say.
Anyway, park that in the back of your head.
The third part of the trilogy, the important one I've been waiting for, is...
But I can tell you that much.
It's on the way.
All right, I have on my website now the second photograph, a worldwide exclusive, of the alleged interview with an interview, interrogation of an alien creature at Area 51.
It was sent to me this afternoon and placed on the website about an hour prior to broadcast time tonight.
It is a remarkable photograph, and here is the facts.
Art, I have printed that photo on your website and have looked at it as carefully as possible under gross magnification.
The size of the alien's cranium is amazing.
This is not the configuration that one would see in a human.
Of course, the eyes are not only large, but note the significant symmetrical light reflex, the dot-like shine in each eye in response to the photo lighting source.
The doctor, in quotes, appears to be demonstrating features of the mouth.
If you look at the posture of both his hands and their position, it has a truly professional feel, in quotes, as well.
If we could see the physician's face, particularly his eyes, I think we could get even more information.
I don't know for sure, Art, given the limitations of this photo, but it looks real to me.
Wow, what a picture.
Yes, I know.
And next week, Saturday more, actually Saturday at midnight Pacific, Victor using a voice-changing device is going to be here.
And we're going to find out as much as we can.
So we are actually privy now to two worldwide exclusives.
One, of course, being the photograph that we have up there for you to look at now.
And the other being the opportunity, even with a voice changer, to question Victor about what really happened in that interrogation room, about details.
It's going to be absolutely fascinating, and I appreciate the opportunity to be doing this, and I'm trying to put together in my head exactly how I want to do it.
I will treat Victor, as I do all my guests, and I will allow Victor to tell his story as he wishes to tell it, and then you may be the judge of the veracity of what you hear.
But I'm looking forward to that opportunity.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Yeah, Art.
You know this partial birth abortion stuff?
Yeah.
Well, there was a mother and father was going to have their daughter at the thing, you know, testify in Washington, D.C. there or wherever.
What?
Was going to have their five-year and a half-year-old daughter.
So, you know, I find that a little hard to swallow.
I mean, you know, a five and a half-year-old child is a child, is not a fetus.
Period.
Period.
My attitude, my attitude on abortion is that if truly the mother's life is at risk, in other words, if proceeding with the birth at the last minute in an emergency situation,
a true emergency, not a choice of convenience, because that's morally reprehensible, and it's the equivalent of murder.
However, however, if at the very last moment there is a choice between the life of the child and the life of the mother, and there is a near certainty that to continue with that, I mean, look, I can only tell you what I would do in my own case, all right?
If my wife was pregnant and the moment of birth was approaching and the doctor came to me and said, if we proceed, there is almost a certain chance your wife is going to die, I would say proceed with the abortion.
Assuming my wife at that point would be under some sort of general anesthetic or something, and I was the only one who could make the choice.
To me, it would be a no-brainer.
It sure wouldn't be easy, but that sure as hell would be my answer.
I would not be prepared to lose my wife.
Would you?
Then the other side of the coin is the politics they play with it.
And that is that give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
And if we are aborting children at the last minute, sucking their brains out, the scissors business and all that, for convenience, or even more horribly, because you don't like the sex or something else of that child, then it's murder.
Otherwise, it's a life versus a life, like the scales of justice.
i don't think it is one out of a thousand well if you like we have to do one out of a thousand I don't disagree with you.
I'm glad you don't.
Now that I have you, and it's the first time I've been able to reach you in almost two years, I dial sometimes for an hour and a half in a row, but the phone rings and rings, and then the operator cuts it off, and the final thing.
But my background is in medicine and science and in history in the last 15 years.
I'm in my 84th year, and I'm very, very adamant about the great lie that's being promoted for 51 years now that is, according to Dr. Henry Morris, the basis of all harmful philosophies and evil practices in the world today.
i would like to offer to be on the program tonight or you can offer you can offer if you wish but uh...
i a You can't say there's one stick, there's not one stick of science, one shred of scientific evidence that evolution is true.
There's all kinds of evidence that evolution is true.
I'm sorry.
Your statement is simply totally inoperative.
It may not be a conclusive done deal, but your statement that there's not one shred of evidence indicating that evolution is a fact is absolutely ridiculous.
So there would be no argument with you.
You're accepting that as a matter of conviction, like a religion.
So there would be no arguing with you.
And with regard to the abortion, I'll simply refer you to what I said a little while ago.
Even if it's one in a thousand, if a doctor told me that to continue with a birth would kill my wife, I'm telling you right now, there would be no choice.
I would say save my wife.
And if you or anybody else got in my way, you'd have immediate physical problems.
Do you understand?
So I don't begrudge you, sir, your belief system.
But you try and get in the way of my wife's life, and yours won't be worth two cents if you follow me.
And it accounts for why it's one of the reasons that I have ceased to generally talk about things political.
I mean, I will do it occasionally if there's a specific real reason to do it.
But you know what?
Most of what's being done in Washington right now is irrelevant to our lives.
And I really mean that.
I have come to believe that who is president is more or less irrelevant.
They are arguing about things that are utterly irrelevant to us, mostly for the sake of arguing.
I really have come to that personal conclusion.
And I am not going to devote hours and hours of arguing about things that don't make a damn bit of difference one way or the other.
And if that is what you want to hear, then you can hear it up and down the dial all across America because talk radio seems devoted to the holy grail of discussion of things like Newt Gingrich's fine or whatever else happens to be going on in Washington.
It's utterly without redeeming value.
And if it should acquire some, I will again talk about it.
But see, if you can imagine doing something bad towards somebody and it coming back at you ten times as strong, you wouldn't want to do that, would you?
reuse one of the spray bottles and just sort of slosh it around in your mouth and swallow To answer the question of the people in the chat room right now on AOL, yes, it is me.
Every now and then I just pop in there.
If you would like to join us, feel free.
America Online.
Go to Keyword.
You know, you check Keyword up there at the top.
And just type in Art Bell, my name.
It'll take you to a place called the Periscope Area.
And you just click on the Grassy Knoll Chat Room.
The Grassy Knoll Chat Room.
I've always thought that was a particularly intriguing name for a chat room, the Grassy Knoll.
And I am in there presently.
Every now and then I just pop in, you know, and whenever I do, there is an immediate great argument about whether it's really Art Bell or not.
In truth, you know, there are a lot of people who think I'm the devil himself.
And I think it is equally possible that what I call the quickening will lead to the return of our Lord.
And I don't rule that out despite what a lot of people think.
I think it's as possible as any of the other things we talk about.
unidentified
Well, I believe that your program is one of the most necessary things in today's age.
The information that we're given, the subjects that are talked about, You mean you don't want me tarred and feathered and drawn and quartered and run out of town on a rail or shot with a rail gun?
No, I think you should come on earlier in the night and stay on longer.
Several years ago, six or seven years ago, I saw a special on television about this very subject.
And a doctor went around and investigated all the known reported cases in the world at that time and found that there was no class of people that this happened to primarily or age group or race or anything like that.
I don't want to think about how big the show is getting.
Hello, Art Bell.
This is Dean from Venice.
Are you familiar with the program content of ABC Nightline for Friday night?
Yes, I am, actually, Dean.
This fact is to inform you of the topic.
For those of you that did not see it, I believe you'll find it interesting and hope you'll discuss it on your show.
They covered alien life forms, mainly of microbiological and bacterial origin.
They stated that a probe was sent to the moon before the Apollo mission.
In that probe was a solar panel that an installation technician sneezed on.
The bacteria left on the panel was launched to the moon.
The probe stayed on the moon for two years in a zero-oxygen highly radioactive environment.
When the Apollo-NASA mission retrieved the probe, they've discovered the bacteria to be alive and active.
Scientists are concerned that bringing soil samples back from Mars could contain microbial life forms that are not killed by the harsh environment of space.
They spoke about the very real possibility that these lifeforms could have serious negative impact on Earth.
If you have seen this Nightline segment, I would like to hear your opinion and ask you to open the topic for discussion.
Yeah, sure.
Dean, by the way, thank you for the facts, Dean.
I think that's pretty good evidence that such a thing is indeed possible.
And that if we bring back material objects, rocks, whatever, such a thing could occur.
However, bear in mind that the Earth is constantly being bombarded by meteorites of various size, many of which do not burn up in the atmosphere, one of which we now know contains microbial life from Mars.
So if that danger was real, then we should have already been infected by, and perhaps are infected by, and one day will be infected by, something from somewhere else that doesn't quite burn up completely in the atmosphere.
So I would think the risk of bringing back something from Mars would be no bigger than we experience as a general basis as meteorites re-enter and make it.
And they seem pretty simple and pretty innocent enough, but maybe you want to dwell over them, and there might be somebody out there that can give you a better answer to them to the glad come across.
Well, first of all, let me first ask you, do you think it's probable that in another 50 years we will have to be apologizing for what we're doing today?
Yeah, listen, I once requested that you have Colonel James Ammerman on, and I called his office, and they said that he's supposed to come on sometime on the 11 o'clock show, and it was Art Bell's show.
We were touching on that last night, the Flight 800 business with Richard Hoagland.
And Richard did point out something kind of interesting.
On television, they have never shown the other side of the plane.
They always say there is no apparent impact or exit point.
In other words, if a missile hit an airplane, presumably, there would be an impact showing an inward fluxing of the metal of the fuselage as they put it back together again.
And he did point out something that is, I think, right, and that is whenever they show the plane, they only show one side of it.
You never get a camera look around of the entire airplane.
That doesn't mean that there's something they're hiding, but he did make a pretty good point.
I said, I've been involved in several organ donations cases.
And we've got two criteria.
I don't know if it's different in other states, but in Washington, they have to have no spontaneous respirations and no brain function other than brain stem.
I've been difficult at getting a hold of you, but now this is the question, so a little information that I have for you about Mr. Rosenthal.
When you had Richard Hoagland on the air Friday, Saturday, April 25th and 26th, Richard said to, hey, everybody call your national news of Ted Koppel and Mr. John Holloman.
Well, I knew that the papers all copy the AP, so I called the AP service, and they directed me to this science writer called, hmm, guess what, Mr. Rosenthal.
Yes.
And so I thought you would like to know that I believe I referred Hoagland's website.
They're all in a hurry.
They're never able to really hear.
They hear just some of the main points.
And I said, look, NASA has decided they're not going to Europa.
You know how important that was to most of us who thought there was life there or that there's a possibility of life there.
I said for $100 million, one-fifth the cost of a bomber, we could send a who were you actually speaking with?
Well, they said that in the present, with regard to the present decisions that have been made, with regard to the proposals that were made, Europa's proposals, quote, did not make the cut.
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That's right, exactly.
That's why I was confused.
So that's why I didn't, now I sent you a fax on all this, but you get lots of faxes.
I don't know if you sent a fax yesterday.
I don't know if you received it.
But I do have a news service telephone number for the AP News Service if you're interested in that.
Well, I had a transplant about two and a half years ago, and about six months after I had the transplant, I started craving root beer for a real long time.
The only way you could verify whether the organ was causing that craving would be to research your donor and find out if that person talked to the family had had a big thing for root beer.
And, you know, I'd say there's better than not that they did.
Listen, I know you're almost out of time, and I wanted to let you know, along the lines of apologies for the president.
About two or three nights ago, I heard on one of the other local stations, I think it was the national news feed, they said that in the night, I think 1961 or 1962, the government sprayed some kind of a thing like with a crop duster.