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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Steven Greer - Disclosure

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning, as the case may be, and welcome to another edition of the Best in Live Overnight Talk Radio, radiating in all directions from the Hawaiian and Tahitian island chains in the west all the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north well to the pole.
		Good morning.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Art Bell.
		It's great to be here, and there's a little different bumper music to get us started this morning because that's what I grabbed.
		It has been about here a wild day, let me tell you.
		Anyway, we've got a very, very interesting program, very interesting coming up for you this evening.
		Dr. Stephen Greer, the head of CSETI, is with us.
		He is widely regarded as the world's foremost authority on the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence.
		That's quite a statement, and is the founder and international director of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.
		Makes sense, right?
		CSETI, a lifetime member of Alpha Omega Alpha, the nation's most prestigious medical honor society.
		Dr. Greer is an emergency physician and former chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital in North Carolina.
		As director of CSETI, he's led research teams throughout the world investigating the existence of ETI, extraterrestrial intelligence.
		He has met with and provided briefings for senior members of government, military, and intelligence operations in the U.S. and around the world, including senior CIA officials, joint chiefs of staff, White House staff, senior members of Congress and congressional committees.
		And as a matter of fact, he's been doing an awful lot of that lately, and that's really what he's here to talk about.
		Dr. Greer has been seen and heard by millions worldwide on shows like Larry King, CBS, BBC, NTV in Japan, sightings and encounters, and on and on and on.
		You ought to know who Dr. Stephen Greer is.
		If you don't, you will in a moment.
		That is the Gold Rose Company.
		Now, let me see.
		We've got to get North American trading in here, and then we are off and running.
		Dr. Stephen Greer, who's been in Washington.
		Just wait till you hear what he's been up to.
		Well, we may get to him sooner than I thought.
		Whatever it was, did not occur.
		So let's go to Dr. Greer very quickly, and we'll catch up in a moment.
		Dr. Greer.
		Yes.
		Well, good morning.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And welcome back to the program.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed morning where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suspect after, what, 2 o'clock in the morning?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we'll left for 2 a.m. here.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What in the world have you been up to?
		I know you're trying to get congressional hearings.
		I know that you've got in excess of 100 people, I've heard, lined up.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's right, we do.
		I'll have to say that what we've completed in April, on April 9th, was a historic gathering of members of Congress and staffers and people from the executive branch and embassies in Washington who came to a closed briefing where they were presented with a really overwhelming amount of evidence related to the subject of UFOs and were able to hear about a dozen firsthand top secret
		military and intelligence witnesses relate what they directly have been involved in and have seen.
		And you could sense, really, in the meeting room a certain amount of astonishment from some of the people gathered as they listened to that testimony.
		And what we did was ask them to seriously consider holding open hearings.
		And I have to emphasize we were asking for open hearings in the Congress where all 115 witnesses whom we have identified could be subpoenaed and could testify.
		And if they are allowed to do so, a definitive case for the existence of extraterrestrial life forms and the reality of UFOs will most certainly be established.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give me some idea of what they heard?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's, of course, what they heard was very hard to summarize.
		But for example, we had an astronomer there who had worked directly with Carl Sagan for years, editor, had been for years editor of Sky and Telescope and astronomy magazines, who got up and stated point blank that we were not alone,
		that he had had confirmed to him that we had received over 30 signals, apparently of extraterrestrial origin, at the Beta system at the Harvard Observatory, and that he was personally there when one of these signals came in.
		We had a man, for example, who was in the Space Command Center in Norfolk, Virginia, when an extraordinary event took place in October of 1981.
		This is a man with a top secret SCI clearance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, may I back you up for one second?
		I mean, what you said is so incredible.
		You said that you had a witness who testified that they received a signal of some duration.
		Can you tell us anything about, I mean, this is important stuff.
		Can you tell us anything about that signal, the nature of it, how long it was, whether it repeated ever, or what judgment they made about it?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, the judgment that was made, but which they have not released Or discussed publicly is that it was not an Earth-based signal.
		It was not one from one of our birds, one of our satellites.
		It was not a naturally occurring signal from radiation in space, and that it was apparently a deliberate artificial signal which was received.
		And all the computer systems locked onto this.
unidentified		Wow.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And that this has happened about three dozen times now.
		Now, you know, in fact, what he said was, is that what are we going to do if we have this kind of thing going on, which is not being discussed to the public, how are we going to get it revealed to the public that there are extraterrestrial devices landing on terra firma and that there are all these people who are desperately,
		and when I say desperately, some of them are literally on death's door because of age and illness, who are wanting to testify about the most astonishing and important thing in the history, arguably, of the human race.
		And that was one of the things that was emphasized by all of the witnesses is that, and by the way, I want to emphasize to the debunkers who may be listening, such as Philip Klass and others, who, by the way, the following day had to be escorted out of the facility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They had to take Phil out?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's another whole story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He must have gotten very excited.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wasn't there, but my staff said it was interesting.
		But basically, you know, here you have all these people gathered there, and every one of these witnesses who have had top secret clearances, who have been present during unambiguous and unequivocal UFO events, I'm not talking lights in the sky.
		I'm talking very significant events.
		Every one of these people have signed a statement saying that they will testify under oath before Congress with the penalty of perjury of going to jail if they're lying.
		And these people are extremely courageous to be doing this.
		And I have to emphasize that this closed briefing that CSETI convened and that we organized over the last eight or ten weeks was something that was not an official hearing in Congress.
		It was something that these people were willing to come forward to make the point to these members of Congress and also to their staff members and also members of the National Academy of Sciences who are there and other people that this subject is real and it deserves serious investigation and serious attention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Do you have any details on that signal received?
		For example, do you know what frequency range it might have been in?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That information I don't have right here in front of me.
		It was discussed, and the astronomer who was there certainly has that information, a great deal of it.
		He also confirmed to us that all of these signals that had come in had been ruled out as being anything Earth-based, satellite, covert satellite, or natural from the known natural universe.
		So it's interesting that this has happened, as I mentioned, several times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, was this, you know, you tell me when I can't probe, but was this a major university of some sort, Doctor, that received this astronomy?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, this was the Harvard Observatory.
		Harvard.
		As you know, I don't know, your listeners might know there's the SETI project, not to be confused with CSETI that Carl Sagan and Frank Drake had been involved with.
		And they spent a lot of money to retrofit and refurbish the Harvard Observatory, which is, of course, west of Boston, out in the country side, where they have the beta system set up, which is a billion channel capacity to scan all these different channels looking for extraterrestrial signals.
		And that is where these signals came in.
		In fact, he was actually, this astronomer was in the observatory at Harvard when this signal came in, and it was quite obvious.
		He was there with a group of astronomers really making a visit when this came in.
		And he says everyone went into action, I mean, immediately and began to do the work they have to do to confirm these signals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It provokes a million questions, like where were they looking when they got the signal?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I don't have that data.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I'm afraid that this, you know, with me right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they were saying it was unambiguous, that this had to have been an intelligently generated signal of some sort.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And that's certainly the assessment this astronomer made from that and other signals.
		Now, you know, it's interesting because it can always be stated tenuously or obfuscated and somewhat clouded by saying, well, you know, until they come back a million times with the same signal.
		But the fact of the matter is this has happened more than once, and I think certainly many of the people in these conventional fields know that we're not alone and that we're already having communication.
		But it simply isn't being discussed publicly, and there are breaks that have been applied to this whole question.
		But this witness, by the way, was sort of middle of the road in terms of what we had there in terms of quality.
		And we had folks there who were, you know, majors, colonels, lieutenant colonels, technicians who in our witness pool are people who have worked and handled directly extraterrestrial debris and materiel and with extraterrestrial writing on it and are willing to testify under oath to this.
		And these are very substantive people who have been checked out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me stop you there.
		I mean, these are all such terribly important points.
		So the audience understands the magnitude of the evidence that you are prepared to present.
		You said extraterrestrial materials, metals with inscriptions.
		So I would begin to ask, anomalous in what way, found where, thought to be from what?
		All those things.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give you an example.
		One of the witnesses who was there was a man who worked with President Eisenhower's military group.
		He was assigned to the White House when he was quite a young man.
		He's now older, of course, quite a bit older.
		This was in 59, 60, and 61.
		And he was personally shown Debris from one of the New Mexico extraterrestrial crashes, and on the debris were these symbols that looked somewhat hieroglyphic.
		And he was told very directly that these were items that were retrieved from a decompensated extraterrestrial device which crashed in the 40s in New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't told, per se, Roswell, and I don't think that's important because, in point of fact, what people don't call the Roswell crash actually didn't happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might have been Caro, it might have been whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In New Mexico.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		He also had confirmed to him a Kingman, Arizona crash.
		And this man also went out to Mount Weather, which is out in Virginia Countryside, which is where the continuity of government resides underground.
		And he was told by a civilian, high-ranking civilian there, that even at that time, and this would be 1959, that they had the capacity to track UFOs de rigueur.
		It was a routine thing that they could do.
		And this was, of course, now I'm talking, whatever, 38 years ago.
		So this man is willing, again, and I should point out, this man is a lawyer who is still practicing law.
		He has a legal license.
		He would not jeopardize that by hoaxing and confabulating this stuff.
		These are very solid witnesses.
		And as I said, they have signed statements saying that they're willing to testify under oath.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on my website and on others, there have been photographs of some metal bars and alleged debris and panels, hand panels, with six-finger positions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the debris perchance that they were talking about?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't seen the things on your website, so I don't want to go out on a limb.
		I will say that some of the material that he described, what was interesting, the day of this congressional briefing, we gathered a lot of these witnesses for the first time to basically question them and have them recount their stories.
		And two of them ended up drawing virtually the exact same symbols which they had seen.
		In fact, the one, the older gentleman who had seen these back in the Eisenhower era, almost fell out of his chair.
		I'm not overstating this, when a younger gentleman who was there, who had been in a facility where these things also had been stored, had seen some of the same sort of symbols.
		And the younger man wrote them out.
		And when the older gentleman looked at them, the man from the Eisenhower era in the military, you could see he was visibly shaken at the fact that they were the same.
		And so that's the sort of thing that is happening as we go and identify more and more of these sort of witnesses.
		And I want to say to your listeners that we are looking for more of these.
		We cannot have too many of them because you're going to have both within the UFO community and the civilian community and the disinformation covert community massive attempts to discredit this entire process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did Phil Klass get there anyway?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, he wasn't at that meeting.
		The following night, on April 10th, we had an educational press background meeting.
		It was not a press conference.
		It's been misstated in the internet gossip on this.
		It was actually a background educational meeting for the press.
		He found out about it, I suppose, through some colleague or someone he knew in the media, and he showed up.
		But it was only for select invited press members that we had some kind of connection to.
		For example, a reporter for American Reporter, which is an online magazine, was there.
		UPI was there.
		The Boston Globe was there.
		There were ABC and NBC personnel there.
		There were people there from a number of media.
		But we didn't invite the National Inquirer, and we didn't invite tabloid media and what have you.
		And I don't know how Phil found out of it.
		He showed up, and he was politely asked to leave because it was an invitation-only event.
		It was not an open press conference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened with ABC?
		I watch ABC.
		I didn't see any coverage of it on ABC.
		So if they were there and filmed, they didn't air anything.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, but we didn't ask them to.
		In fact, we were asking them really to regard this as a background meeting for them to begin to understand what will be coming out when we will have all of these people come forward.
		The idea here is that we're trying to foster an educational process among people.
		For example, I've been working and corresponding with the guy with the Sunday Times in London, which is one of the biggest papers in the world, who's interested and has written a preliminary story but wants to do a much larger one.
		We have similar liaisons to CBS 60 Minutes and to the New York Times and other papers.
		So it remains to be seen.
		One of the big problems, of course, in this whole subject is how it has been portrayed in the media and the fact that there has been so much disinformation and ridicule for so many decades that you're not starting at zero.
		You're starting at minus a thousand.
		And so you have a huge burden to overcome that way.
		And so we felt that it was important to begin to provide a heads up, as it were, to members of the mainstream media to say, look, there's a significant amount of evidence, and there are these extraordinary witnesses who have seen unambiguous things, not swamp gas, not Venus misidentified, and things, but things up close and unmistakably anomalous.
		And those are the things that we were trying to convey to the media so they would begin to have that filter through their thinking process and begin to realize, well, perhaps there really is something here to report credibly, so that if we do move into either congressional hearings or a UN summit or a civilian coalition disclosure process, that perhaps the subject will be taken a little more seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, did you come away?
		You must have watched the media as they watched you and the witnesses.
		Did you get any impression of the level of interest of the major media that was present?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, what I have found with a lot of mainstream scientific and media groups that we initially introduce this material To is the initial thing is a state of shock and a certain amount of almost anger.
		And the response that typically comes out is that, well, how could this be true and I wouldn't know about it?
		And the higher they are in the media or in politics or science, the more you're going to see this ego reaction where they say, well, Jesus, if this is true, I would have known about it.
		Of course, it's not true, that they would have known about it.
		But it's very hard for them to accept the fact that something of this magnitude could have been kept off of their radar screen.
		So there's an initial sort of anger reaction to it, to be honest with you.
		And that's something that I think they have to process.
		They have to go through that and realize that the whole world has been deceived on this issue in a very, very major way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, most of them probably did not live through the Manhattan Project.
		Right.
		So they would not remember the era of not knowing, or they might not have known.
		All right, we've got a lot of territory to cover.
		I'm staggered, really staggered, that there have been relatively unambiguous signals received at, for example, Harvard.
		And it should make every major newspaper in this country.
		All right, Dr. Stephen Greer is my guest.
		He's head of CSETI.
		Can you imagine that?
		Major signals coming in that nobody can account for and that you don't find out about until right now.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is CBZ.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		The head of CSETI, Dr. Stephen Greer, is here tonight with some rather amazing information.
		He'll be back in a moment.
		I've got a little catch-up to do here.
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		All right, back now to Dr. Stephen Greer.
		Dr. Greer, I would think, knowing congresspeople and senators, that they just, they love the camera.
		They just love the camera.
		And if there were hearings that would attract many, many viewers that would be covered by CNN and C-SPAN and all the normals, and probably the networks as well, with very dramatic testimony, that they would be drawn to that as iron filings to a magnet.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you would think so.
		However, there are several breaks that have been put on this whole subject.
		One of them I mentioned earlier, and that is the relentless ridicule and debunking of the subject matter.
		The other problem is that, and this is going to sound a little bit counterintuitive to people, but if you think about it, it'll make sense.
		People either initially think that this can't be true, and if it were true, they would know about it.
		But once they realize it is true, they have a reaction not unlike a joint chief staff-level fellow that I briefed while I was in Washington about a month ago, who after he looked at all this and heard the witness, turned to us and said, well, I have no doubt this is true, but I'm horrified that I haven't known about it because of his position.
		And very, very senior.
		I can't say who it was, but a very, very senior position.
		And then they begin to come to grips with, well, who the hell does know about it?
		What is going on here?
		And then they become frightened.
		So, I mean, there are many issues here.
		It's not as easy as people think.
		You have to bring people along into not only understanding the database and the reality of the subject, but then they have to begin to get their minds around how this thing has been kept secret, how it's been kept off the radar scope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's try it this way.
		You talk to unnamed congressmen and senators.
		Is that a fair statement?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've met with them privately as well as in this group where we had, I think we had nearly 30 congressional offices and members of Congress there.
		They weren't all members of Congress.
		We did have a number of members of Congress there, and then we had a number of staff from other offices, and we had chairpeople of committees there and what have you.
		We had very powerful people in this meeting.
		And I can assure you that there was no one laughing up their sleeves.
		You could even sense almost a certain element of deep concern bordering on panic as one witness after another got up and recounted these unambiguous facts concerning things they had worked on or been present when things occurred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's ask you what you believe is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that those congressmen and women or whoever, do you believe that they know about these things or not?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes and no.
		Most do not.
		I think a few do.
		For example, I know of two members of Congress who were present at the North facility at Edwards when an alien reproduction vehicle, which we had designed, humans had designed based on extraterrestrial technologies and was being test blown during a top secret air show back in November of 1988.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I have witnesses who are there.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I have witnesses who will name these members of Congress who are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		So, yes, I know there are some that do know, and I know who they are, but not all of them, but I know some of them.
		And the question then becomes, what is the agenda that's making this thing still remain silent and off the radar scope of most of the senators and most of the congressmen.
		For example, I met with a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee who, and I feel genuinely without any prevarication, said, Look, I've been on this committee for 10 years or however long it was.
		It's quite a long time.
		And he says, I have never had this issue come up, and I've never been briefed on it.
		I've never gone into a tank.
		And I said, well, sir, I just had a meeting with a guy with eSystems, a very senior executive, who said that the tank that you go into is the wrong tank.
		They're not going to talk to you about this in the tank that you normally go into.
		And so you've got some serious problems in how this thing is normally discussed.
		And I think that is one of the issues.
		You've got two factors.
		One, the subject matter itself, which is astounding.
		But I think what is more astounding is the way it's been managed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Again, I've got to backtrack.
		I mean, you went flying by this, we reproduced an alien vehicle, alien reproduction vehicle, and we test flew it.
		Now, if you don't mind, would you roll over that one a little slower and tell me what you did?
		Can you talk about it?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can talk about this.
		Back in 1988, there was an air show at the North facility of Edwards, and many people, those out there listening, who know, are smiling now.
		But there are assets that exist there that are primarily underground, where these objects not only have been studied, but have also been, design systems have been put in place that utilize advanced technology systems based on extraterrestrial devices, which have been studied for 50 years.
		And these things have been made into prototype vehicles, which are fully operational.
		In other words, they are human manufacture, but they sure as hell look like a UFO, and they function pretty similar to one.
		And they are silent, and they levitate, and they use anti-gravity type technologies that reduce the existence of the gravitational field around them.
		And these things are fully operational and have been for quite some time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, Doctor.
		I don't know what to say.
		How do you document this?
		I mean, you're saying that.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		We have multiple witnesses who have been there and who have worked on these systems who can be subpoenaed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there was a 1988 air show, and they flew what in front of people?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Things that looked like a dome disc that came out and levitated and went up and down and around and then back into its little place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this was a secret air show.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, absolutely.
		And it was a close-hold group of people there.
		And I know the names of a few of the folks who were there because we have witnesses who were present when this happened.
		We also have a very good schematic sketch of both the external and internal design of this object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give us any sense of what sort of propulsion system such a device would use?
		We're all very curious about anti-gravity.
		Of course, you know they're doing experiments in Finland and elsewhere right now with anti-gravitic materials, but what you're implying is that they're about decades ahead of where we are right now.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		I mean, anything you, here's a maximum for your listeners to keep in mind.
		Anything that you're hearing about in the non-covert world is at least a couple of decades and several generations behind what is going on in the black world.
		And I will remind you that before his death, Ben Rich, who was the head of Lockheed and had been head of Skunk Works, stated to a group of people, including a man who is on our team, who lives out in California, is an IBM executive.
		And he stated that we already had the means to travel among the stars.
		And he said specifically, we already had the capacity for interstellar travel, but that it was locked in these super secret black projects, and it would take virtually an act of God to get this stuff out to the public.
		That's what we're trying to change, because these technologies have the capacity, and not just the potential, but the true capacity to reverse all the pollution that we have in the world today and to absolutely alter the way that the human race is currently faced with extinction in terms of environmental disaster, shortage of oil and things of this sort.
		We know these things already exist and are fully operational, and I consider it virtually a crime against humanity that this thing has been managed the way it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The things you're saying are absolutely incredible.
		Now, I would like to ask this.
		There was, there are actually now two examples of incredible video taken on the shuttle.
		One is STS-48.
		The other is a latter example that I've not yet seen, STS-80.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've seen all those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, my question to you is, are those, in your opinion, those video clips, proof of the kind of technology that you just said we've got?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that you can't judge from those clips whether, assuming that they are UFOs, and they appear to be, you can't assume that they are ours or if they're extraterrestrial origin.
		The one, the STS-48, that shows one of these objects moving across the screen and then makes a sharp-angled turn just before what appears to be an object or a beam is shot at it, trying to intercept it.
		That, I would guess, would not be ours.
		It appears that we were trying to target one of these objects.
		And we do have witnesses, and these are some of the most sensitive ones we have, who have confirmed to us the fact that there are extraterrestrial devices which are being tracked, targeted, and fired upon or attempted to be forced down.
		One of the witnesses who got up in front of these members of Congress and their staff stated that he was in a command center when one of these objects was picked up off the eastern seaboard, was tracked.
		Jets were scrambled.
		The order was given to force it down.
		It was photographed.
		The photograph was broad daylight, was shown on a screen.
		A K-11 satellite also picked this thing up, and it was picked up going out into space at a 66-degree angle and vanished.
		This thing would move in one sweep of the radar.
		This object would move from off the coast of Newfoundland and would appear off the coast of Norfolk.
		And then it would be back off the coast of Jacksonville, Florida, in one more sweep and then all the way back up to Maine.
		It was extraordinary.
		And this person with a top-secret SEI clearance stood there, basically laid it all out, and named the admiral that he was working under when this happened, et cetera, and so on, and gave the date, the place, the situation, the whole thing.
		Those are the folks that we have who are ready to testify before Congress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These people, Doctor, I presume, or I have always heard, that these people, either as a condition of employment or following an incident of the sort you talked about.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, these people, many of them recounted to the people there who were gathered at this briefing that they did were required and that they were intimidated into silence, but that they felt that the time had come to join together.
		And what I'm saying to folks is that we are putting these people together in a coalition so that they're locking arms together and saying, we're going to stand together on this and we will not be intimidated and we will come forward with this information.
		And all we're asking our elected leaders to do is to give us a little bit of an umbrella where these heroic people can do this.
		And, you know, astronaut Ed Mitchell, who was at this meeting with us and co-hosted it with me, we went through this in a lot of detail with these members of Congress and also at the Joint Chiefs of Staff where I had a meeting, where we said, look, these people deserve an opportunity for this information to come out.
		The Cold War is over.
		Who the hell are we holding this stuff back for?
		It's time for this information to come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I should say it is.
		I can't imagine being a U.S. representative, sitting there listening to the kind of things you've told me about already tonight without demanding an investigation.
		I understand that there might be fear involved.
		If I were a senator, particularly one on a committee where I ought to know about national security stuff, and I listen to this, it might scare the hell out of me.
		So the conclusion has to be that you're talking about some kind of group, cabal, whatever, that is privy to all of this information, managing this technology, and keeping it secret from this great industrial complex and government.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you that it has more power than the representative government of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you know about this group?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are they?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know more than I probably need to know, but it's enough.
		All I can say is that we have the architecture of this entity fairly well fleshed out.
		We know that there are representative elements for this group within the national security apparatus, including the various military divisions and intelligence divisions and NRO and NSA and FBI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, in any case, Doctor, at elected levels?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		As I have mentioned, there are folks that we've been able to identify who do know about this subject.
		We don't know, however, how much of the truth about the subject they have been told.
		In other words, someone might be told, you know, disinformation about the subject, but have it confirmed to them that there are things that look like UFOs that we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the President of the United States, Bill Flint?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I know that what I would say to, you know, and what Larry Keen, when he asked me this question a couple years ago, I said, you know, you really ought to ask the president that.
		But what I would say is that we know that there are folks who work with him that we have met with that have been fully briefed because I've met with them face to face and briefed them.
		And other people on my team have.
		And I'm not talking low-level munchkins.
		I'm talking, I mean, I have personally sat for nearly three hours with a sitting director of central intelligence.
		I'm the only person probably ever been on your show who can say that.
		I'm not bragging.
		I'm just saying this is true.
		So we know that there are people in high levels who know about the subject.
		The question is, how much through channels and official channels have they been told that's been true or untrue or deceptive?
		And one of my big concerns is that there is probably much more deceptive information and hoax information that is provided to these people than actual data and truthful information.
		And I think that is one of the real concerns I have as someone who values an open and free society and a democracy, is that I think that things have evolved way beyond even what Eisenhower feared when he said in so many words, beware the military-industrial complex.
		And things have broken down in very serious ways.
		So much so that, for example, the NRO, the National Reconnaissance Office, frequently behaves as if it has seceded from the United States, is non-responsive to Senate Intelligence Committee oversight, et cetera, and so on.
		These are big problems that need to get fixed.
		But the big subterranean problem has to do with the extraterrestrial issue, advanced technologies derived therefrom, and how they are being applied in deceptive programs.
		For example, one of the witnesses who was there, who broke away at the morning break the first morning that we were together as a gathering of witnesses before we actually had the briefing for Congress, he left to make a phone call to one of his contacts in one of these very deep cover operations.
		He subsequently disappeared, and he never came back.
		This man disappeared out of the meeting.
		We got a note from him after midnight after we had completed this briefing, closed briefing for members of Congress and other VIPs, where he said basically he was being asked to temporize what he was going to say, giving people some time to reorganize and reclassify things.
		And I was told that things are in free fall right now.
		That what has happened through these things that we're doing has been to really turn up the heat and Sort of stir up a hornet's nest on one level, but on another level is causing some reorganization and reclassification to go on.
		Now, where that's going to end up is anyone's guess.
		But I can tell you that this man was four-plus legit.
		He was an intelligence officer.
		He had detailed information of these alien reproduction vehicles and how they were going to be used and have been used in deceptive psychological warfare type scenarios, up to and including using them to hoax an extraterrestrial event, which would actually be a human event.
		Now, I'm telling you, this stuff gets much more bizarre than the actual extraterrestrial UFO phenomena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With respect to what you just said, to what end?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		To what end?
		That's the nastiest part of it.
		The best we can tell is that these deceptive activities would take place a la Independence Day and what have you that's out in the popular press in order to convince people of a hostile alien presence,
		even though there's no evidence there is one, which would then redound to the benefit of the military-industrial sector because what would happen then is that there would be much rending of cloth and screaming saying, my God, we need to spend trillions of dollars to a weapons system.
		And if you look at the releases from the Air Force, they're all talking about the fact that it's going to be a space force.
		And so there's this effort to militarize space.
		And if you think the Cold War was expensive, imagine an interplanetary tension situation where we're trying to build and maintain a space force.
		It'll be 10 times as expensive.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is Dr. Stephen M. Greer, head of CSETI.
		He is widely regarded as the world's foremost authority on the subject of extraterrestrial intelligence.
		Dr. Greer, otherwise, is an emergency physician, former chairman of the Department of the Emergence of Emergency Medicine at Caldwell Memorial Hospital in North Carolina.
		And we're going to retrench a little bit because I know Los Angeles and San Francisco join us at this hour.
		And all I can tell you is hold on to your hat because some of what you're going to hear is just going to lay you right out.
		I promise you, it's going to lay you right out.
		What you are about to hear, a whole group of senators and congressmen and other people in committees who would care, who might be able to get congressional hearings, you're going to hear what they heard in part.
		And if it doesn't blow you away, then you had better check for your heartbeat.
		That's what I would say.
		Dr. Greer, back in a moment.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Dr. Stephen Greer, who's up late for us.
		Thank you, Dr. Greer, for doing that.
		Doctor, we're joined by new affiliates at this hour, and then generally straight on from there, we're okay.
		So I want to retrench a little bit because the American people just are going to be astounded by what you're saying.
		And you took, you have available over 100 witnesses.
		You got in front of representatives of the U.S. government, congressmen, senators, committee members, those kinds of people.
		And you had people testify about, for example, you said, and I want to confirm this, that there have been 30 signals, for example, one signal received by Harvard, by the astronomy department, I guess, at Harvard.
		That is unambiguous, that was something not generated from this planet, not from a satellite, but from probably somewhere else.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It was from out in space, and it did not appear to be a natural or a man-made signal of any type.
		And they were checked and triple-checked and quadruple-checked for that.
		And it was, I think there's been about three dozen of them now.
		Three dozen.
		There was a astronomer who was there, who has been one of the editors for Stein Telescope and Astronomy Magazine, was present at the facility when one of these came in.
		And again, as I said, his testimony is the very tip of a very large iceberg of information that was presented to the people gathered there on April 9th in Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who handles this information, Doctor, when you talk about dozens of signals?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's incredible to me that we've got to hear this from Dr. Greer that we can't hear it from Tom Brokaw.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's one of these things where it goes through a series of processing and review.
		But again, this man insisted that they never found an explanation for these signals and that they could not explain them as being either natural or man-made.
		And yet you hear nothing about it.
		It's one of these things, like so many things in the UFO world, you have these dome discs and huge triangles flying over Mexico City in broad daylight with literally hundreds of thousands of people seeing it.
		And Tom Brukaw doesn't talk about that either.
		The whole thing is really quite astonishing.
		And one of the questions that we often get asked overseas is: how can these things not be reported by the world-dominant U.S. press?
		And it does bring up a very serious question of, you know, has the media or the fourth estate fallen asleep at the wheel?
		You know, they're supposed to provide certain checks and balances in our democracy, but I'm not altogether sure they do anymore.
		They seem to think a big story is, you know, what kind of love affair Bill Clinton had 20 or 30 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who cares?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		You know, these are big issues facing our country and the world, and they seem to consistently stay off the radar scope of both the media and the scientific and political establishments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then you had somebody testify, a high-level person who was in a U.S. Military Command Center.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what exactly did he report, please?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we had several of these who were in facilities like this.
		The one I gave an example of occurred in October of 1981 at the Atlantic Command Space Command Center in Norfolk when a very large UFO came in off the eastern seaboard and for about an hour would go back and forth up and down the seaboard.
		We scrambled planes which were given the order to chase it and to force it down.
		We did.
		And we did chase them and we got good photographs of it.
		And this object would, for example, be off the coast of Maine and in one sweep of the radar scope would be off the coast of Norfolk and in one more sweep would be back up off of Newfoundland and another sweep would be down off the coast of Jacksonville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute now.
		I thought when Project Blue Book ended, they said, in essence, that whatever they are, they are not a threat to national security.
		So I would presume with a statement like that, we wouldn't be scrambling planes at all.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's interesting is that this man also testified that the admiral in charge specifically had it established that it was neither ours nor Soviet.
		And that this was confirmed.
		And that then they went into this, and it was a code zebra, code zero.
		It was a full non-trial run.
		This was the real thing.
		People were sweating bullets in the command center and space command.
		And eventually this thing moved off over the Azores and took off into space at a 66-degree angle in ultimate space and vanished.
		But that happened after they had a close enough approach by one of our military pilots who got an excellent daytime photograph of it, which this man later said was brought in, shown on one of these big space command screens with the Admiral there, and it was a huge metallic disc.
		And again, the maneuverability of this thing was astonishing, you know, that in one sweep of the radar scope, that it could be at one point off Newfoundland and then damn right off of Norfolk.
		Extraordinary maneuverability.
		And again, this was October 1981.
		But what I say to folks is that if the Congress would give us an opportunity, and I encourage all of your listeners to write and call their representatives and say, please follow up with this CSETI briefing.
		All of them know about it.
		This is not a secret on the Hill at this point.
		And your listeners really need to get on the lines tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there any particular representatives?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, we can concentrate our efforts.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that everyone has their own representatives and senators.
		And I think in addition to that, I would be particularly important for people to contact, for example, the Government Oversight Committee, the House Government Oversight Committee, and Congressman Dan Burton, who is chairman of that.
		I would have them also recommend that they contact the House Science and Technology Committee and Bill Luther from Minnesota there.
		I would have them recommend that they contact the current chairperson of the Senate Intelligence Committee and the House National Security Committees.
		I think it's, but it really, you know, I've had meetings with Intel.
		I've had meetings with senior counsel for Senate appropriations.
		I've had meetings with people on the Senate Foreign Relations.
		There's almost no committee that this thing isn't relevant to.
		Even if you get into the area of appropriations, it's relevant because there are tens of billions of dollars in black budget funds going into this.
		So almost anywhere you look, almost everyone's senator or representative is on a committee where this issue could be brought up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one place, of course, you can follow it, is the money.
		But it's in black budget.
		And so how do you follow that kind of money?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a conversation with a senior counsel on Senate appropriations a couple of years ago, about three years ago now, and what this gentleman told me, who, by the way, had a top secret clearance and subpoena power on behalf of the Senate, he said that he had looked into this issue because they were trying to figure out where the heck all these billions of dollars in black budget funds were going.
		And it's the old adage, you follow the money and bam.
		It led him right into this issue.
		But even though he had a top secret clearance and also had the PoeNA power, he could not penetrate this entity and these operations.
		He knew they were there.
		He absolutely is certain they are there.
		And he turned to me and he said, we were sitting in the Senate Appropriations meeting chamber when he said this to me.
		He turned to me and an assistant that was with me and he said, look, he says, Dr. Greer, you are dealing with the varsity team of black projects.
		Good luck.
		I couldn't penetrate them.
		And so there have been efforts, but this thing is like, I think it's gotten so out of control and has been managed in such an extraordinary way that people that you would think would know about the subject and that almost every American would assume would know about it do not know about it and really have no access to knowing about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, how do you delineate, for the purposes of following the money or anything else, between legitimate national security projects and the kind of thing you're talking about?
		I mean, you're talking about the fact that we've already got anti-gravity.
		You said in 1988, anti-gravity was demonstrated at Edwards Air Force Base.
		That's correct.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And they've been up there.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I mean, let me tell you, the breakthroughs on that happened in the 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		50s.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And the tragedy here is that there have been breakthroughs in energy devices and technologies which have vast benefits potentially in medicine, in energy, transportation, cleaning up the environment that are being held back because there are certain vested interests in the military industrial sector, operative word here, industrial private sector, that do not want this information coming out.
		Let me tell you about a conversation I had with a man who worked as a subcontractor to a major aerospace firm on these devices.
		He was working on a system to create an engine that would use gasoline but would create no pollution from it.
		But I said, why use gasoline if you know technologies exist that could completely obviate the need for fossil fuels or internal combustion engines?
		And he said to me, because I like to stay alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you, Doctor?
		How about you?
		Would you like to stay alive?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I take care of folks who are, you know, 15-year-old kids who've been stabbed through the left ventricle of the heart because someone patted their girlfriend on the high knee.
		And yes, there are risks attendant to this, but I think they're minimal.
		I do want to correct one thing that happened while I was in Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They can't be minimal, doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not after what you told me.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have things in place to see that they're in check as well as anyone can.
		And that's all I can say on the air.
		But I'll tell you this.
		The stories that were circulating that my assistant, Sherry Adamack, had her apartment burned down or attempted to burn down was not true.
		We have had no, none, zero of our witnesses harassed or threatened.
		We have been monitored, and we have been followed, and there have been taps and weird things with our phones.
		And I had my entire hard drive of my computer erased last year.
		But we haven't had anything that I would consider a threat to our safety.
		And I don't think we will have that because too many people of prestige and power know who we are, know what we're doing, and know the names of these witnesses.
		And we have done that on purpose because that's our protection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the witnesses' protection?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm talking about.
		Their protection is that they are joining together in a coalition with dozens of them and that there are very significant people in the White House, on the Hill, at the UN and other places who know our plans, our strategies, our people, and our name.
		And believe me, most people think that this, you should do this secretively.
		You don't do this secretively.
		You do it confidentially.
		I'm not going to breach confidences over the phone like this, but I will tell you that you do not, if you want to get yourself in real trouble, you try to be spy versus spy on this.
		We're doing this upfront, direct.
		I have met with people at the highest levels of military and intelligence, and we have laid out in exquisite detail what our goals are, what our intentions are, what our strategies are, who we are, and what we're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying if you come at them covertly, they're going to come back at you the same way in their meaner.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And it's very dangerous.
		But if you do it relatively openly, and you've got major people in the media who know what you're doing, you've got major people in the media holding your diary, which I have, a 500-page detailed thing that names every name and kicks every ass, quite frankly, this is a level of protection.
		And by doing it as openly as possible, it creates something where there would almost have to be a push, there would almost have to be a coup d'état to make all these people disappear.
		So it's part of our strategy to do this as openly as possible and to join arms together with many of these witnesses.
		And I would encourage your listeners to give us a call or send me an email, get on our website, which, by the way, is www.cseti.org, O-R-G, and to let us know if they are a witness who would like to join.
		Because what we're finding is that in the last six to 12 months, we've gone from a couple dozen of these witnesses to being able to identify over 115 of them now.
		And the number grows every day.
		I just got a new witness today who has definitive information when he was at Angels Peak back in the 60s, and seven of these UFOs came and were on radar and were flying and then formed a circle and took off into space.
		This guy had worked in Skunk Works before that under Kelly.
		And he's willing to testify in open Congress about this.
		So we're finding more and more of these people.
		And what I would say to your listeners, if you are one of these witnesses, it is, I think, your duty to our country and to the world to join with these other heroic people and come together in a coalition, in a safe coalition that's doing this in a strategically, very, very wise and well-thought-out way and come forward with this information.
		Do not take this information to your grave.
		The world needs to know this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people, Doctor, who would regard people who would hold this kind of information from the public, from everybody, as traitors.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had one person I found out about said he was afraid he'd be considered a traitor if he told the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		But most of the people feel the opposite.
		Most of the people feel that it's very much what brought Barry Goldwater and I had this conversation a couple years ago, and I was sitting out his house outside of Phoenix and near Paradise Alley in that area.
		And he said to me, you know, this was a damn mistake back then when he was in the Senate, like the way this was managed, and it's a damn mistake now.
		And it's time for this nonsense to stop.
		And I think most people feel that way.
		Even many of the people who are in the control groups feel that way.
		The morale is very low in some of these units because they feel that the time has really come for this information to come out and for these rather dangerous brinksmanship games to end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me tell you a quick little story.
		We're going to move back for a second to the presidential level because I think it's an important Question with regard to the president who sits now.
		I had a fellow who called, very credible, who said that he went to a book signing.
		President Carter wrote a book, and he went to a book signing.
		And President Carter was sitting there, sort of not looking up at people and just signing and signing and signing.
		You know, the way you do it, a book signing.
		And when it came to be his turn, he pressed the issue and got President Carter to make eye contact with him and said, President Carter, you promised to tell the American people when you were campaigning whatever it is you would find out about UFOs.
		What happened?
		And President Carter, he said, stopped cold and actual tears formed in his eyes.
		And I thought, what could they have told President Carter after he got in office that would have deterred him from such a strong promise that he would have made?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That he did make.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		I know the answer to that, but if I stated the answer, I'm afraid it would just be over the top for most people.
		What you have to understand is that the management of this thing is, frankly, I think, been diabolical, and it has subverted the presidents and the Constitution.
		They have been told lies, they have been deceived, and they have been shown Trump cards where it can be made very clear to them that if they don't play along, that the Trump card can be played.
		And I mean, it's a big Trump card.
		And that's, you know, and you have to ask yourself, where will these people stop if they will kidnap a Secretary General of the United Nations, which has happened.
		And I have personal knowledge of it from a head of state who described it to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did this happen?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It happened in November of 1989.
		Bud Hopkins thinks it was an abduction.
		It was not an abduction.
		was a covert kidnapping of the SG at that time.
		And, you know, the thing that have been done...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was he about to say something?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was working with a number of other world leaders to come out with exactly what C SETI is attempting to do now.
		And he was made to disappear, as it were, in a faked or hoaxed abduction attempt.
		And he was told on board the craft that he should cease and desist from any further attempts to bring this information out.
		And that if he and the other leaders didn't, that all of them would be abducted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dr. Hold it right there.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back now to Dr. Stephen Greer.
		And a lot of people out there, I can tell you, Doctor, are totally blown away.
		You should see the faxes jamming my machine right now.
		You're definitely affecting them by what you're saying.
		Listen, everybody, I have got a link now on my website to Dr. Greer's CSETI website.
		And I believe, Doctor, people are telling me by facts that you've got some kind of form up there that they can use to contact their representatives?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a suggested letter, although we tell people they usually work fast if they personalize it some, but it's a suggested letter that they use, and that information is on the website.
		There's also information on the website about an advanced researchers training that we're doing from June 12th through the 17th in the high desert of Creststone, Colorado.
		And there's a limited number of spaces available for that.
		But if people want to do that, I will be there along with our senior staff.
		And it should be an interesting excursion in the desert where we'll be going through protocols related to trying to establish communication with these UFOs.
		And it's intended for people interested in doing serious field research in the area.
		So that information is also on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to urge people then, I've got millions of people who have my website marked, you know, as a favorite or whatever.
		And they're used to going to it on a daily basis.
		So folks, go down to the scheduled guests area and simply click on where it says Stephen Greer, CSETI, and you'll go directly over to his website.
		My website is www.artbell.com.
		That's www.artbell.com, and that will get you directly to the CSETI website, and I think you ought to do it.
		Now, what about for all of those people out there who don't have computers?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that they should write us at P.O. Box 15401, Asheville, North Carolina, 28813.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You better do that again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should they address it to you or just CSETI?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Just CSETI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CSETI, P.O. Box 15401.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		15401.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And that's Asheville, North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Asheville.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		28813.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		And I would ask that people who have information regarding military and intelligence or aerospace contractor witnesses to this subject who would like to join with the dozens of others that we have found, that they call me, but that they use this number only for that purpose because we just don't have the staff to answer everyone's questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you are talking now about people of the type you've been describing that you've already got this morning that might be holding information that they might otherwise take to their graves.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And we would like, you know, for example, these are the kind of people we flew into Washington on April 9th, who provided testimony for the members of Congress and the staffers who came to this closed briefing.
		And those people, either people who know these folks or the actual witnesses themselves, military and government witnesses who know about the UFO subject from firsthand, we emphasize it must be firsthand involvement, that they give us a call at Area Code 704-274-5671, and that people please restrict using that line for that purpose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Look, a lot of these people have worked in high government jobs, high industrial defense-related jobs.
		These are the people you're talking to right now.
		These people have signed O's.
		These people have careers where they're retired on pensions, government money.
		They have families to be concerned about.
		How do you make it appeal to them, Doctor?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		What we say to them is that this is a matter concerning the future of our planet.
		It has to do with whether their children are going to have a decent planet to live on and whether or not we're going to enter into a new millennium of interplanetary conflict or a period of global and interplanetary peace.
		I mean, this is a huge issue that's facing us that is not getting the attention it needs.
		And people of conscience are coming together in large numbers to lock arms and say, look, we are willing to come forward.
		And I'm telling you, not a single person who has provided this information has been harassed, has had their pensions janked or anything, because they wouldn't dare do it.
		If they did that, it would confirm the story and make a public scandal.
		So, I mean, the fact of the matter is that I don't believe there's a credible threat there if people would simply come forward.
		I think it's a paper tiger and that it's time for us to just join together and do it.
		And I have to emphasize, one person at a time telling a story, no matter how credible the person is, isn't going to have an effect.
		We've already had Gordon Cooper tell about what he saw.
		It hasn't put this thing on the national radar screen.
		It hasn't caused the media to take it credibly.
		But if Gordon Cooper joining with a few dozen other people like him, along with cosmonauts from the Soviet Union whom we've identified, military people from Brazil and from England and from Canada, joining with you, yes, then you can create a situation where there will be so many credible people with overwhelming evidence and testimony combined with the photographic and videotape things that we have.
		By the way, people who would like to get a copy of the 250 pages of government documents that we've acquired as well as another 100 or 150 pages of information that we gave to the members of Congress, they can get that from CSETI.
		We're making that available to the public and they can order it.
		There's an order information on our website for that as well.
		And we're making that available as we can.
		It takes about six weeks for us to get that out because we just don't have the staff to do everything.
		But we are making it available to the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I agree with you.
		There is strength and safety in numbers.
		Nevertheless, as you approach a point where you get to where you want to go and there's some sort of critical mass point that you will achieve when the press will grab it, when you are approaching that point, doctor, there's going to be danger.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is already, and we know that.
		But the fact of the matter is that you have to understand at least a third, if not approaching half, of the what people would call MJ-12 or the control group that's kept this thing under rats for so long are really hoping this subject comes out.
		And I have to emphasize that there's not a monolithic position on this.
		There are many, many people who are in those positions would like to see this come out.
		The day after this briefing we did for Congress, Ed Mitchell and myself and my military advisor and Sherry Adamak, my chief assistant, went over to the Pentagon, went into a secured area, parked in the area where the Joint Chiefs do,
		and was escorted into the Pentagon where we met with a very senior staff personnel at the level of the Joint Chiefs and a flag-level person, meaning, you know, someone like a general or an admiral, and his staff.
		And, you know, we went there, and, you know, this person said, look, I don't have any doubts that this is true, but I've never heard about this.
		And I'm not at liberty to say who this person is, but I can tell you the man wasn't lying, and he sure as hell should know about this subject.
		And what he said was, why don't you just go to the media and let all this come out?
		I said, well, sir, if we can't get some action from the Congress and from the White House fairly soon, that's what we intend to do.
		But you have to understand the stakes here are huge.
		And I'm a descendant of people who fought in the American Revolution.
		I would like to see our elected representatives and our form of government take something this important seriously rather than running for cover.
		But it may not happen.
		It may not happen.
		And if it doesn't, we have to be prepared to do it in an intelligent and credible way.
		And we're asking people to join with us to make that happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you'll get those people to join.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But listen, you said they, quotes, all right, want this to come out.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		A number of them do, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A number of them do, but clearly at the top control point of this, they don't or it would be out.
		Now, listen, doctor, there are two ways of releasing information.
		One is to release it yourself if you are the one who has the power and controls the information.
		Release it yourself and do damage control.
		The other way is to have somebody like Dr. Greer and company drag the information out.
		When that happens, you're in deep doo-doo.
		You're likely to be accused of being a traitor.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've recommended to the White House and staff that we've met with that actually that there be a general amnesty issued so that anyone involved with this could come forward Safely without recriminations and difficulties.
		And personally, I feel that there's nothing to be gained from getting into a recriminating and negative thing.
		What I think we need to do is say, look, the past, whatever has happened, we need to look at the current situation and the future and come together as a people, both nationally and globally, to say, look, we're not alone in the universe.
		Let's figure out a way to get the information out, but more importantly, do what was really the purpose that I founded C City for, and that is try to come together as a global civilization and enter into some kind of communication with these life forms that can lead eventually to peaceful coexistence and mutual benefit rather than sliding down the slippery slope of tension and conflict, because there's nothing to be gained from that and much to be lost.
		And I'm afraid that given the way this thing is being managed, that there have not been the thinkers and the statesmen who should have been involved with this, involved with it.
		And in that kind of the darkness of that kind of secrecy, a lot of things can go wrong.
		And I think that is a current and real threat to the national security, but also to global security.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me now back up a little bit.
		You said you thought in the STS-48 video that you saw us possibly using a technology to shoot at, shoot at an extraterrestrial craft.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we know that we have more than one witness who has information and has been present when systems have been used to actually track, target, and destroy these objects.
		And it's not terribly effective, but we occasionally do hit them.
		So I think that perhaps the crash in Brazil may have been the result of such a hit.
		And if there's, and I've said this, I said this to a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I said if there's only a 1% chance that this could remotely be true, and by the way, I have a half a dozen people who are witnesses who have been in operations where these sort of things have happened, then this is something which really should send up some red flags.
		I mean, this is obviously insane and dangerous and must be brought under control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, that's where I was going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you are an ET and you're observing this planet or whatever it is you're doing near our atmosphere and somebody shoots at you, this is going to be regarded as less than friendly.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, but that's been going on for decades, actually.
		And I think that they understand that we're in a very primitive state of emerging from a, you know, at once sort of jungle-like mentality of murderous warfare, but at the same time, developing weapons of mass destruction and early space exploration.
		And I think, frankly, that's one of the reasons why they've been monitoring us so intensely over the last 50 years, is that there is some enlightened self-interest, I think.
		You'd have to be brain dead if you were an extraterrestrial and viewed the fact that here is a group of people, life firms, that have killed 200 million of our own in warfare in this century on this planet.
		And now we're developing weapons of mass destruction and the capacity for space travel.
		I think that would give any intelligent species some pause for thought.
		And I think that there have been things done to try to contain our space operations.
		And I think this has caused a number of tensions between certain human interests and some of these extraterrestrial interests.
		But I think it's a terrible misunderstanding of constant proportions.
		And we need some really good statesmen to ameliorate the tensions that I think have evolved over the last 40 or 50 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about contact?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you can't proceed as you want to proceed and open all of this up like a big can of worms, then what about contact outside of government channels?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Well, we are doing that.
		One of the projects that CCETI has is called the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind Initiative, where we train people to go out into areas and attempt to establish contact between a team of humans and one or more of these objects.
		And that's what we'll be doing, by the way, in Creststone between June 12th and 17th of this year in Colorado, is to take people and train them to have a few skills necessary to do that.
		CSETI now has literally dozens of teams of people all over the world who are going out to areas where these UFOs are being reported and are attempting to do real-time field research.
		But rather than just staying in a passive mode of watching these things, we're encouraging them to go out and actually try to initiate signaling to them, to try to initiate, if they can, a landing situation.
		And we're using a number of protocols to affect that.
		And those are wildly controversial.
		I'll tell you the UFO community hates the fact that we're doing that because they say it sounds so far out.
		But I'm telling people, look, if these things are real and they're under intelligent control, we're here, we're under intelligent control, why the hell can't we do something to try to establish some kind of communication that bypasses the exclusive covert control of this?
		And this is one of the chief purposes of CSETI.
		I mean, this is really our actual main purpose.
		But we also recognize that you can't do that in a vacuum, that we've got to deal with this societal dysfunction on the subject.
		And so we're working basically on two intertwining paths.
		One is the attempt to go out and establish real-time contact.
		The other is this attempt to get a global disclosure that's high-level and credible.
		So those are the two main thrusts of CSETI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to ask you about something recent, Doctor.
		You and I both know, and our audience does, because we had a great update yesterday from Mexico City.
		Right.
		What's been going on there lately, Doctor?
		Phoenix has seemed a lot like Mexico City.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I know it.
		Well, you know, the event that started to kick that off on April 13th, we haven't talked about this.
		It was a CE5 in the sense that we just arrived there, our team had just arrived there, a man from England, our people from Denver and myself, to do a composite Video of UFO images, which we gave to these members of Congress.
		And we landed and were doing some of our protocols when this huge wave kicked off and ended up being filmed and was on all the major news stations.
		Now, that may be a coincidence.
		I don't know.
		But what's strange about it is that for a long time, it was epicentered, it was over South Mountain area where our hotel was.
		And it was quite an interesting event.
		We were actually in Phoenix when that happened.
		Now, that may just be a coincidence, but it seems a little strange by twice.
		And that's the kinds of things that we're doing and are doing all over the world.
		You know, we were in Mexico and had one of these two to three football field in diameter triangular things silently come over, vectored in, signaled to us, circled us, and descended as if it were going to land.
		It did not land, but it came within about 400 or 500 feet.
		And all the while, we had three of our members of our team simultaneously while we were looking at this thing visually, remote viewing the man who was pretty much the commander on this craft.
		And we all got the same information about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I have had one UFO incident in my life, triangular craft, silent, floating, not flying.
		It came directly over me.
		My wife was with me at the time.
		There's no question about it.
		It was 150 feet above me, and it was massive.
		I mean, classic.
		Absolutely classic stars and moon disappear.
		This thing floats above me, and I stood there for five minutes and watched it go out across my valley.
		Now I live near Area 51.
		So I guess I would ask you, when I'm seeing that, am I seeing something probably piloted by a human being, or am I seeing something else?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Could be either.
		And I'll tell you, you'd really have to, I'd have to be there to know.
		And this is one of the problems, is that if you're in an area where there are a lot of ARVs or alien reproduction vehicles going about, you may be seeing our stuff, or you may be seeing an extraterrestrial object that's been retrieved, that's being test flown, or you may be seeing the real ET craft that's doing reconnaissance of what we're doing.
		And it's very difficult.
		It's a confusing situation.
		And I think, quite frankly, the situation, the picture has been intentionally obfuscated and muddied so that people really don't know what the hell's going on.
		And I think that it takes a tremendous amount of patience and research.
		One of the reasons we do a lot of the work that we're doing outside of areas such as Area 51 is so, for example, we go to the backside of these remote areas of volcanoes in Latin America and Mexico and what have you, is because we feel there's a higher likelihood that the encounters we'll have there will be extraterrestrial in origin rather than a test operation from something flying out of Edwards or Nellis or what have you.
		And that's one of the reasons why you often see our reports originate out of these third world countries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the closer to Area 51 you are, the more likely it is that it's something of ours that you're seeing, although it could be an alien reproduction vehicle flown by our own people.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to take off here soon.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		It's about 4 a.m. Eastern time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish we had another hour.
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I wish I did, too.
		But I have an appointment in the morning, and it's getting close to that now on the East Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor.
		I appreciate your being here, and there's going to be a lot of comment this morning about what you have said.
		Again, we've got a link on the website, and I will get the information, your address and phone number out again, all right?
dr steven greer ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		And if folks have that information about individuals who are witnesses that could join with us, we'll get that number out.
		Have them give us the ring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do it.
		We're out of time, but we'll do it again, Doctor.
		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for watching.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Stephen Greer, C. Settis, Stephen Greer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mart Bell.

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