Art Bell interviews Diana Fairechild, a retired Pan Am/United flight attendant with 20+ years of experience, exposing toxic cabin air—low oxygen (like U.S. prisons), zero humidity, radiation doubling every 3,000 feet, and diesel fumes—linked to illnesses like Gulf War syndrome, with pilots allegedly cutting fresh air to save fuel ($80/hr on jumbo jets). Meanwhile, Mel Waters updates his bizarre 9-foot hole near Monastash Ridge, Washington, defying physics for decades: 80,000 feet of fishing line never hits bottom, no echo despite dropped debris like refrigerators and cows, and neighbors report eerie black beams. Military interference escalates after threats over his "drug lab" claims, though he insists it’s an herbal medicine operation. Both cases hint at systemic neglect—airlines prioritizing profit over health, and authorities suppressing anomalies—raising questions about hidden dangers in modern travel and unexplained phenomena lurking beneath rural landscapes. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm Martin Bell.
Good morning.
Cloning.
Cloning, cloning, cloning, cloning.
We're going to be cloning.
I've been listening to the news reports now since the news broke about cloning.
And one thing is absolutely obvious to me of all the interviews of all the scientists I've seen in Scotland and elsewhere.
All of them say, yes, humans could be cloned.
Yes, this is the technology.
Yes, it's real.
But they all say, but why would we want to do it?
Am I. So, we will get to cloning tonight.
As a matter of fact, here is a quick facts on the subject part.
Here's a question to ask the listeners, if the mood strikes.
If cloning of humans was a foregone conclusion, and a national vote was taken to determine who would be cloned, who would you most like to see cloned?
See, now we're getting down to business, and who would you least want to see cloned?
I'm interested in hearing answers.
For the record, here's my list and why.
Art Bell first, that way we could have an all-art network with a new art bell taking over every five hours.
When one art got sick from airplane air, a substitute art could fill in for him.
Ramona Bell, all those extra arts would have to have some companionship.
Ronald Reagan, obvious reasons here.
Thomas Jefferson, we could use the wisdom to fix the mess the country is in.
Kathy Ireland, this one also self-explanatory.
From Chris listening to the mighty WWTN in Nashville.
Chris is on the right track.
I suppose everybody's going to run around wringing their hands and asking, should we do it?
Anyway, we'll get into all of this, and I am not going to take the track everybody else is going to take.
I'm going to go in a different direction with it because I think it's a foregone conclusion.
Hey, hey, hey, welcome to WTVNAM in Columbus, Ohio.
610 on the dial, 5,000 regional lots all around Columbus.
Great to have you along.
And welcome to the network as we continue to grow, grow, grow, grow.
Now, happy birthday.
The diamond anniversary for WOAI, 1200 a.m. in San Antonio, Texas.
The diamond anniversary.
OAI, you know, is one of the nation's oldest, most venerable, and certainly most powerful radio stations, along with another many, many of the same sort that we're fortunate to have on the network, but the diamond anniversary, so happy birthday.
WOAI I got this facts, and I don't know what to make of it.
Today on the island of Hawaii in the Hilo area, freakish 80-mile-an-hour winds blew tops off about 200 homes.
Say, what?
Meteorologists have never seen this kind of wind activity in Hawaii in absence of a hurricane.
Repeat, absence of a hurricane.
The island of Oahu is set to receive some of the wind in about two hours.
Could all this be a harbinger of Ed Dame's remote viewing regarding the jet stream lowering?
I don't know.
What would cause 80 mile per hour winds in Hawaii?
Short of a hurricane, I have no idea what sort of dynamics could be at play there to cause this.
All right, I'm still sick.
You know, I'm still sick.
And I really got sick.
I mean, I really got sick beginning last Monday.
Went down and tried to relax a little bit, Mazatlan, took a 757 airline unnamed because of what I'm about to do.
And a 757 coming back, too.
And then a 757 to Las Vegas from Los Angeles.
And precisely seven days later, I got really, really sick.
Now I went to China.
I got sick.
I went to Paris.
I got sick.
I went to Scandinavia.
I got sick.
I am sick of getting sick on airplanes.
And I'm really sick of it.
I was so out of it Friday night that having a good time here, you'll recall.
By the way, we're going to have an update on the Mel Waters Infinite Hole.
Mel's going to be back on the air around 1 o'clock or so Pacific time because there have been developments.
Let me put it that way.
Anyway, I was so out of it Friday night that I tried to super glue something over here and I got super glue all over my hands and it just flowed like water and like an idiot.
You know how you go to chew it off, right?
You know, it's a normal reaction is to pick it off with your teeth.
So I put it up there too soon To start picking, figuring it was already dry.
Well, it wasn't, it was still watered, the water conditioner, and I glued my lip shut.
Well, I glued my lip shut.
Well, not fully, it was like about like that, so I could talk about it like that, you know.
And I went into a break and I ripped my lip apart, and a little chunk of lip was in my ashtray, and that's how sick I was.
So out of it that I completely screwed up there, lost part of my lip.
I don't know how long it takes for a lip to heal, but I guess I hope mine will.
Now, I have contacted somebody who knows about airplanes because I want to know about airplanes.
I want the real scoop on airplanes.
Her name is Diana Fairchild, and she is in Hawaii, and she ought to know, because she's had 20 years plus, as an airline stew, for Pan Am and United Airlines.
And so we're going to ask about that here in a few moments.
Ask about why it is that you get sick on an airplane and how you can prevent it.
My latest scheme, I was thinking I was going to wear an ABC mask.
You know, one of those things like the Gulf War vets wore next time I'm on an airplane.
Did that cause a riot?
Because they'd, well, everybody knows what they'd probably figure you had vials of something with you.
But I mean, it's almost to that point.
Hacking, coughing, sneezing.
I've never been so sick.
And you might be able to tell, I'm a little bit angry about it.
So, anyway, we'll talk to Diana Fairchild in Hawaii here in a couple of moments.
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It Now we take you back to the night of February 24th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Diana, number one, why are we getting so damn sick on airliners these days?
What's going on?
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It's a very complex situation, and it involves a number of biological and environmental factors.
To start with, of course, is the traditional issue of time zone changes.
When we shift time zones, our inner clock is out of sync with the outer clock.
So all our hormonal and chemical rhythms have to change.
And that takes a couple of days to a couple of weeks.
And even in my research, I found that even though hormones may start secreting, they don't even reach their amplitude for six months.
So it takes a while just for that.
But the main thing That I started focusing on and pointing attention to.
It's the environmental stress in the plane itself, which is a place low in air pressure, humidity, and oxygen, and high in radiation, pesticides, and germs.
It's low in air pressure.
In other words, it actually has the air pressure of a mountain resort.
Well, why can they not keep the cabin pressure at, you know, ground-level norm?
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The best they can do, the way the planes are designed, is a plane at 25 to, say, 40,000 feet, the best they can do is to pressurize it to 8,000, 7,000 or 8,000 feet.
Actually, it's illegal to pressurize it over 8,000 feet.
But they can't fly at sea level.
For one reason, the air is heavier at sea level, so they want it lighter, as light as possible.
And so I said that the air inside is low in air pressure, humidity, and oxygen.
So humidity, the only humidity in an airplane, there's none introduced by the cabin air conditioning.
The only humidity is from the takeoff location and the sweat and breath of everybody on the plane.
So on a long-range flight, like you were mentioning, I guess, to Hong Kong, and those flights, the humidity actually goes down to zero after a couple of hours.
Oh, and listen, I live here in the desert, and when I have relatives who come and visit, they complain of their nose being very dry.
You know, we have generally double-digit or even single-digit during the summer humidity, and we're used to it being very dry.
But you're right.
When I fly on a long-distance flight, I get totally dried out, and I live in the desert.
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It's drier than the desert, and like you, you are acclimated, but your friends and relatives come and they're not acclimated, so it's very shocking, even more shocking to them.
So that's another environmental factor that passengers need to consider.
And then it's low in oxygen.
For example, I believe this statistic came out that there's twice as much oxygen mandated in U.S. prisons than they found on U.S. airplanes.
In other words, if you're one of the last persons on.
But the airplane seems to fill from the front toward the rear.
So you're gambling.
If you can't sneak into first class, then you lost out and you're probably going to sit back.
Where is the worst place to sit on an airplane?
The absolute rear?
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Worst from what point of view?
From a crash, from air quality, from noise, from smell of lavators, each area.
I mean, in a crash, you just never know.
They used to say the best place is over the wing, but it's not so.
in that United Decompression out of Honolulu, where the fuselage peeled up over the cargo area, it was the people over the wing that died.
So it's really not...
We can't necessarily figure it out that there's only one best place.
Some people like the aisles because they say there's more leg room, but the aisles are so narrow that they're constantly getting bumped by carts and people walking by.
Again, people like to sit in the front row, but on a lot of aircraft they Park carts there during the flight.
Diana Fairchild is my guest, and we're talking about air travel, I guess, generally, and why you get sick so frequently on an airplane, and we're going to find out how to avoid it, too.
That's what I'm really interested in.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 24, 1997.
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24, 1997.
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You're listening to our Bell, Summer in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 24th, 1997.
Outro Music All right, back now to Diana Fairchild.
Diana, just before we return to where we were, I was thinking about sneaking into first class.
Now, if you're back in the economy section and the airplane gets underway and actually gets into the air, can you casually sort of just wander forward into, you know, they draw a curtain in the first class.
It's what I remember as a curtain is drawn.
Can you go through that curtain and sort of just sort of casually look around, find an empty seat, and plop down?
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It's possible on some of those very, very long flights where the crew gets breaks.
Oh.
But, you know, and then a lot of people are sleeping too, depends on the time of departure.
Like if you're on that, for example, LA City flight that leaves at midnight, everybody pretty much goes to sleep right away.
The flight attendants have a list of names of first-class passengers, which they usually try to use when taking orders for breakfast and things, you know, for the meals.
I mean, things have certainly changed with the airlines.
I remember when we flew back in the days of your early job, why we got decent meals, we got all kinds of extras, all the peanuts you wanted, blah, blah, blah.
And now you're lucky to get an indigestible slab of turkey, which I hate anyway, or something else.
In other words, cost-cutting measures have really come into play in the last few years.
And so how do we force them to do something about the air?
And I really mean that.
I'm angry about this.
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Well, I have two things that I'm suggesting to people in my book, Dead Smart.
And the first one is because all of the airplanes have different ways of providing air, like I just described the 747 to you, it's totally different than the 757.
They have recirculation fans that are on that need to be turned off.
So you can't say turn it on or turn it off.
What you can ask for is full utilization of air.
That's what we used to ask for.
That is the airline term that means that whatever fresh air capacity that plane has, they're going to use that capacity.
Suppose I'm on an airplane and I buzz you and you come over and smile at me and ask how you can help and I say I would like full utilization of this aircraft's air system.
What do you do then?
Do you go and call the pilot?
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Well the first thing is not to ring the call button for that because the flight attendants are totally overworked and exhausted themselves because they're breathing that same air.
So the best would be if she happens to be passing your seat or if you get up and go back where she's setting up or doing something and say, could you ask the pilot for full utilization of air, please?
Have understanding when you ask and realize the flight attendants are suffering even more than the passengers because they're working so aerobically.
So then the flight attendant will probably call the pilot or tell the purser, the chief flight attendant, the purser may be wanting to be the only one to talk to the pilot.
But in any case, most probably the pilots will know pretty quickly that somebody asked for full utilization of air.
And then you can notice if the air conditioning gets louder and you start feeling better, one of the symptoms of hypoxia, which is lack of oxygen to the brain, is that you can't think clearly.
Like you mentioned the other night with the glue, you know.
And you really can't think clearly when you don't have enough oxygen in your brain.
So you'll notice that you're hypoxic if you're reading that same paragraph, you know, for 20 minutes or something, but you just don't get beyond it in that magazine or can't figure out something in your crosser puzzle.
I was so angry that I swore for a while I was going to wear, you remember Desert Storm, you remember the ABC masks they had?
Those chemical masks?
I'm serious.
I'm serious.
I was going to get one.
I was going to go on my next long trip in one of those.
Now, if I got on an aircraft in a mask like that, what would happen?
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Nothing.
You could actually ask for an oxygen bottle, and that's my second strategy.
If you notice that the air conditioning hasn't changed, that you don't start feeling better and that the air conditioning isn't louder, then the next time you see the flight attendant, you just say, you know, I'm feeling very sick and I would like some oxygen.
Do they have to provide that to you without extra charge?
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Yes.
If you don't feel well in the plane, it's free.
If you ask for it before takeoff in anticipation of not feeling well, then you need a note from your doctor and you're paid between $50 and $80 a bottle.
Do you know that you are retired, do you still fly?
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Yes, a little bit.
And one of the tips I'm giving, you know, regards the contagious disease issue in the plane, it's a big problem, tuberculosis and flu and things that you're suffering from.
It's always frightening, I think, when somebody right behind you is coughing.
Inevitably, I'm on a plane and either behind me, usually behind me, or even in front of me, somebody is coughing, sneezing, snotting, absolutely, totally sick.
It's obvious.
Why is it, Diana, that airlines don't station somebody at some point screening passengers who are obviously sick?
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Because they're not thinking about healthy flying.
They're thinking about getting us, you know, getting a takeoff slot and all that stuff.
But, I mean, doesn't it make some sense that if somebody is obviously sick, that the airline could say, sir or ma'am, we're going to require that you see a physician or something before boarding or, you know, something like that.
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Even the Centers for Disease Control requested that people with tuberculosis TB not take long flights, but nobody's monitoring it and nobody even said what a long flight is.
So what I'm suggesting, I found out from a doctor that covering your nose and mouth cuts down the transmission of viruses and germs over 90%.
So what I like to do when I travel is wear a handkerchief over my nose and mouth.
You can wear a Western outfit and wear a scarf and just pull it up during the flight.
Or you can get that charcoal mask and just put it on in flight.
And then the other thing I'm suggesting, a daring optional suggestion, is that you have in your bag a couple of little painter's masks.
And if someone is coughing, you present it to them, possibly saying, gee, I'm sure you would like to not, you know, get everybody else on the plane sick.
Why don't you wear this?
If you've ever been to Tokyo, you know you've seen how people are so considerate that way.
The Japanese are very, very aware of that, and we are not.
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So basically, my whole philosophy in Get Smart, which has 200 tips of this kind, is that the airlines are thinking a different way, and we need to take care of ourselves.
We need to take charge.
So what I like to do is present all the environmental stressors to the reader, and they can see all the different things that are going on.
The pesticides, the ozone, the diesel fumes, the viruses, electromagnetic pulses, radiation, toxic chemicals.
Tobacco smoke is still.
I went to Hong Kong recently, all the way to Tokyo and all the way to Hong Kong with smoking flights.
Now, maybe you can confirm or deny this, but that on smoking flights, strangely, you have less of a chance of getting sick than on non-smoking flights.
And the reason given by the person who told me this was that they've got to turn on so much extra filtration because of the smoking.
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Yeah, that's a nice idea.
I mean, the National Academy of Science published a report that said they've got to turn on full utilization of air when there's a full load.
I mean, you're obviously that, but a high-level advocate who represents passengers rights.
We ought to have rights when we fly.
Some rights to healthy air for beginners.
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Right.
Well, that's what I'm trying to do because no one else is doing it.
And it's a very, very complex situation.
And I don't think anyone who has not been an insider for the length of time that I was, and also I just happen to be personally very curious.
I'm kind of a health nut, you know, since a long time, vegetarian since the 60s and interested in spirituality and subtle energy and all of these kinds of things.
So I was just somehow wanting to learn all about this while I was flying.
From the island of Kauai, my guest is Diana Fairchild.
She was a stew for stewardess for United Airlines and Pan Am for over 20 years.
We're talking about flying and getting sick on airplanes and airplanes in general.
And I've got a captain here who has written an angry little fact about Diana, and we'll get to that in a moment and bring her back on and get to your questions about flying and sickness and why the airlines are saving money at the expense of our health and what we should do about it, says a still recovering Art Bell.
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*Pewds Screams*
Now we take you back to the night of February 24th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
All right, it says, Art, this lady is full of, well, CRAP crap.
A pack is pressurized air conditioning kit.
The fans reference take outside air from the right pack and does not save money.
Air is required to completely change in an airline cabin every seven minutes.
The reason the air is thinner, at jet altitudes of 33,000 feet, the cabin is at 8,000 feet, just like a sea-level drive to Denver.
The filter is air going out the outflow valve.
Pilots have no way to filter air.
Diana has problems with reality.
Sign Jim, and he gives the last name, Captain, 26 years.
What do you say to that?
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Well, people should look on the Internet at my page called Full Utilization of Air because a number of captains have written in and said there's no such swish, there's no such thing.
And I've answered them, you know, from the Boeing Manual and the National Academy of Science Press.
And this kind of thing is going on all the time.
And even what I found on the Internet was a report from an aeromedical physician in England who works for a number of airlines.
And it was a report, and I link it on my site, on this page, where it was about hearing loss among pilots.
And it just said in an offhand way that the pilots find the air conditioning so noisy that just for that reason they're turning it off.
He indicated he thought they had a humidifier up there.
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Well, actually, you know, on some aircraft, they may have certain humidifiers, particularly the newer ones, when it finally came out where the airlines were admitting that the pilots had different air than the passengers.
Because when I discovered that, actually, when the no-smoking went into effect on U.S. flights, and a little aside in a report, it said pilots who smoke are still allowed to smoke, but passengers shouldn't worry because they have separate air.
You mean to tell me that while I'm sitting back there in economy with my hand twitching, going through nicotine withdrawal on a seven-hour flight to Europe, that the pilot up there is smoking away?
But anyway, when finally the airlines admitted that the pilots had separate air, because they were really denying it at first, and even pilots would come up to me and say, no, no, it's not true.
And I say, I know it's true.
But anyway, when they finally admitted it, they said, oh, the pilot air is different because of the instruments in the cockpit, not because of the pilots.
And I would presume, caller, that when there were, for example, I flew military, but it was a chartered commercial aircraft.
So I would imagine commercial standards would prevail on MAC aircraft.
As she points out, you'd have to ask a MAC pilot.
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Right.
Yeah, I did a lot of MAC flying, actually.
At the end of the Vietnam War, we used to take the R ⁇ R trips.
Well, I'm an Army brat, and we spent some time in Europe.
And my mother, my brother, and I came back on a C-5.
And my brother, when we got back, had serious ear problems.
Oh, I see.
That's why.
That's why I question it.
Oh, I see.
Well, ear problems, you know, pilots tell me that when you're flying and you have a history of ear problems or you have a cold, that it would be good to notify them that they maybe can pressurize more delicately than, you know, manually instead of automatically.
Well, the other thing I said earlier that I want to stress again is it seems to me that the airlines, you know, I hate to be the enforcer of regulation because there's so much regulation already, but somebody ought to screen passengers who are sick and keep them off flights.
Offer them a later flight.
Offer them some other alternative.
But if they're sneezing, coughing, hacking, if they've got the flu or something more serious, for God's sakes, keep them off airplanes and save the rest of us.
Or is that a violation of somebody's civil rights?
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You know, I have a little story about this.
I was on a New Zealand flight one night, which I think is about eight hours from Honolulu, where I was based.
And about four or five hours into the flight, I had a severe sore throat just come on me.
And I know you mentioned earlier that you had a seven days before, did you say seven days before you came down with that?
And that's a normal incubation time, what they say, from being in a toxic, you know, a germ-filled environment.
But this was just right in flight.
I had a very severe sore throat, and I happened to be working the upper deck, so it's sort of like a little area where you get to know everybody.
And within minutes that I felt this sore throat, three passengers said to me, out of a total of 16, I have a sore throat, I have a sore throat, I have a sore throat.
Well, how well are stewardesses trained if there is not a doctor on board?
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I think they're pretty well trained, but the thing is, you know, with all the cutbacks in the airline industry, you're just so busy.
Did you read that one?
He cut his throat in the first class bathroom with a little penknife.
And I guess the first suicide like that in a plane.
And it said that the flight attendant, you know, a stewardess found him because he was in for a long time.
And I thought to myself, well, she's really aware that she would have the time to remember who went in and when because you've seen, everybody's seen how much the flight attendants are running around.
Yeah, they're very, very busy and even more so on relatively short flights.
For example, when you fly from Los Angeles to Las Vegas, it's about a one-hour flight, and they barely have time to get the cart up and down and throw a sack peanuts at you and whatever.
And then you're on the way down again.
So they are really flying on those flights.
I notice on the long-haul flights, they do have some periods where they can sit, and you see the students sit down and rest occasionally.
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Those are, you know, mandated rests on duty days of over 14 hours.
I won't ask about pilots because they have the rare air, apparently.
But stewardesses getting sick.
There must be, somebody must keep statistics.
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No, nobody's really taking care of this right now.
OSHA doesn't watch out.
The FAA seems to neglect flight attendants.
And in my opinion, the union seems to be focusing on other things.
So nobody's really watching out.
I mean, I get contacted all the time by one stewardess recently contacted me.
She got TB.
And she knows she got it on the plane, but she can't prove it, can't get any compensation.
And there's a report recently out of Finland of breast and bone marrow cancer among flight attendants, which is, I think, double or triple the normal population.
Remember, folks, airplanes are at a very high altitude, particularly on the long flights, and they're subject to a great deal more radiation, background radiation, than we are on the ground with all this wonderful protection of the atmosphere.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Diana Farichild.
Yeah, I just wanted to ask Diana, do you happen to know if there's ever been an instance where a person has successfully sued an airline because perhaps they have had some sort of a medical problem brought on by the poor air quality in the plane?
The reason I ask is obviously because of the recent death of Art Bail.
Thank you.
I tried to get workers' comp benefits, and the Hawaii Court seems to prefer the Aloha spirit to human rights.
And I've been nine years trying to get my work comp benefits and just had the latest action from the Hawaii Supreme Court where they totally dismissed me.
Now, she wrote a book, Diana authored a book called Jet Smart.
In it, there are all kinds of tips, like the ones you heard in the first hour.
Practical things like how to sneak into first class, practical things like how not to get sick on an airliner, and I guess all kinds of tips on airliners.
Where can they get your book?
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They can call 1-800-524-8477, and if they mention Art Bell, they can have a significant discount.
It's normally $15 with postage.
It would be $10 for anybody that says Art Bell in the next 48 hours.
kidding and boy they could tell them fast about one eight hundred five two four eight four seven seven if you mention my name uh...
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a recent survivor of a near-air disaster and then you get five dollars off they can go into their local bookstore, Borders, and Barnes and Noble, and a lot of bookstores stocking it.
Music All right, an airline stew for over 20 years for Pan Am and United.
Here once again is Diana Fairchild.
Diana, I just had a call from a pilot, another pilot, but he wouldn't come on the air.
I'll tell you what he said.
He said, boy, is she a dingbat.
She's a complainer.
I've dealt with stews like her for years and years and years and years.
They're all the same, he said.
I said, well, come on on the air.
You would say that right to her face.
Oh, no, I don't want to go in the air.
And I said, come on, you're going to say it.
Say it to her.
He wouldn't, but he said, almost every stew he knows is just like you.
What do you say to that?
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Well, it's interesting because I've met a lot of really nice people on the Internet, and one of them is the pilot that helps me figure things out sometimes when I don't know cockpit things, but he wants to remain anonymous.
And so I got a letter from one pilot, kind of like that.
What did he call me?
I forget.
Anyway, I posted it on the Internet.
I can read you what I wrote.
In spite of the angry tone of your letter to me, I've decided to answer you.
I took the liberty of forwarding your letter to another commercial airline pilot.
Here's his reply.
Mind you, some of my best friends are Delta guys.
Still, there are some.
Every company has them.
Who should have stayed in the military?
If he isn't simply having a bad day, Tom might be one of these.
A kindler, gentler soul would have pointed out, and then he goes into how everything I'm saying is true, that the air circulation and blah, blah, blah, and where the switches are.
and you know he He just said, he backs me up.
So I don't know what to say.
I'm sorry that the man feels, the captain feels that way.
Now, it began to go away a little bit as we got to cruising altitude, but oh man, it was truly strong.
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Well, it comes from two reasons.
You were sitting behind the engine.
That's one of the reasons I don't like to sit in back of the plane.
But also, the diesel trucks on the runway and the plane in front of you in the takeoff queue and all of those things are funneled right back into the cabin air supply.
And a lot of them now, a lot of the airlines, you see, before they used to have really prepare the cabin, you know, have the auxiliary power unit, the ground air conditioning on for hours before passengers would load.
And now that's another cutback where they just kind of put it on at the last minute.
So the plane really isn't all that fresh when you get on.
And then they don't use all the air conditioning because they're using all the engine power for takeoff.
So during that time, from the time that the plane disengages the umbilical of the air conditioning, the auxiliary power unit, which is usually either a private truck or inside the terminal itself in the newer airport, from once it disengages from that until you're up in the air, there's really not much fresh air.
Now, I have a question about the pilots and their ability to put the air traffic control on the headset when you are in a 2-7, 3-7, or 5-7.
And is it really their choice to put it on?
And I requested from a flight attendant, I would want to hear on-air traffic between San Fran and Chicago and between Chicago and San Fran.
And I understand with United, because the cabin attendants are not part of the union, that there can be a little bit of animosity between the cabin attendants and the pilot.
I think every kind of special handling, whether you're carrying a guitar or you need a vegetarian meal or you're exceptionally tall or you're a wide body, every type of special handling needs just to take a little extra time and try and have a rapport with somebody at the airline,
whether you try and make friends with the person you're making a reservation with or when you finally get to the airport and you try and really connect with the person who's checking you in.
I mean, they're so busy looking at the computer, often they hardly even have time to look up, but if there's some way to connect with these people, and I personally feel that just a small little gift, I'm always giving my book out, and it's just such a little thing, but people appreciate it so much.
And it's just a little thing you could give somebody for a favor, not a bribe kind of thing, but just a little thing, a scarf or, I don't know, just travel with a few little things and just say, I have this special need, and I don't know where the best seat for me is on board, but my guitar has been broken.
I'm a professional player.
I have to have it there.
Can you please help Me and figure out how to do this, you know?
I think that your idea, now listen to me, everybody.
Every aircraft has at least a minimum of four oxygen bottles on board, and after you're airborne, if you don't like the air, Diana says you can request one of these oxygen bottles, and after you're airborne, they can't charge you extra for it.
They've got to give it to you.
And as a protest, if you don't like the air, if they don't fix the air and turn on everything they've got to provide clean air, ask for an oxygen bottle as a protest.
I've sent you a number of faxes today about various things with airlines.
The reason that we have different air in the cockpit is because if there's a problem in the passenger cabin, they want us to be able to fly the airplane even if everyone else is incapacitated.
But, I mean, when you talk about the quality of cabin air for passengers, I've been doing a lot of flying, Captain, lately.
And what's your attitude about what Diana is saying?
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I think that she's pretty close to target on a lot of what she's saying.
There are minor technical inaccuracies, but not of a substantive nature.
The recycling of the air is really not a good thing.
In actuality, the cabin air is supposed to be different from the cockpit air, but on the newer generation airplanes, the aircraft probably don't meet the letter of the law in that the pilots do get the same air, or a portion of the same air, that's been recycled, as the passengers.
At the particular airline that I work for, we've had a no-smoking policy in the cockpit now for about 10 years, and our pilots don't smoke, and in some cases, the passengers are smoking in the back, and the pilots don't smoke.
Oh, I remember that at some point, if one of the pilots, the first officer or the captain, goes to the lavatory, the other one has to automatically go on oxygen.
Is that at 14,000 or 10,000?
It's at 25,000 feet or above.
25,000, I see, outside altitude.
Outside altitude, that's correct.
It doesn't matter about the interior altitude.
Right.
Now, another thing that you were talking about, Art, was Getting sick.
I've written the FAA about the radiation problem that Diana has mentioned.
The radiation starts at about 10,000 feet.
You're getting high-energy neutrons down to about 10,000 feet.
I carried a Geiger counter for years to show people on my airplane, the crew members, what was happening.
And at about 18,000 feet, the Geiger counter comes off real low level, just clicking every now and then.
And by the time you're up to 28,000 feet, it's really popping along.
So in other words, if you spend years and years in the air, millions of miles, as Diana has, or as I'm sure you have, you really have been irradiated with a serious amount of radiation.
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Well, the FAA, or actually the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, changed the terms that are used.
It used to be millirems is what they used as a standard for radiation measurements.
I think they changed it to millisieverts as a unit of measuring.
But what happened is it confused everybody as to what the levels of radiation that they were getting.
And it used to be when you received above 500 millirems a year, then you were categorized as an occupational radiation hazard worker.
Interestingly enough, the FAA has admitted that the average airline pilot and passenger gets about six-tenths of a millirem an hour.
So if you fly 1,000 hours, the math is pretty simple.
That's Diana Fairchild, 20-plus years with the Airlines.
And now you know why you get sick when you fly.
I'm still not over the captain there.
Smoke a cigarette.
I can't believe it.
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Let's go more time.
You have to stand, baby, don't you worry.
We're still playing around But that's just fine Let's get excited We just can't hide it Oh, no, no I'm about to boost control And I think I like it I'm so excited And I just can't hide it Oh, no I know, I know, I know, I know I want you, I want you
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Hey, hey, hey, you're about to get an update on Mel's Hole.
Yeah, well, originally, after the show on Friday night, I went out there in the evening and noticed there was some helicopter activity around the property.
There was further helicopter activity the next day.
And so I figured that clearly somebody out there listens to your program.
And, you know, again, I asked to talk to the officer in charge there.
And I figure, you know, one of these military types that come up, and I don't know, maybe he was just dressed in civilian clothes because, you know, the nature of what happened there.
But, you know, he told me that I won't be able to go out there until the accident's been investigated.
And I was insistent about my property rights.
And he seemed to indicate that this might not necessarily be my property in regards to the drug lab.
But the problem is I do have a sort of a lab on the property.
Well, I work or working in the alternative health field here on the property.
That's one of the reasons this can all come out now.
I imported some plant life from northern Nevada.
There were Native American plants that the Indians used there for treatment of various illnesses, mostly cold and flu.
Anyway, so we, because of the nature of the climate and it's very similar to northern Nevada, we thought we would cultivate these plants and then use it as a cure.
So one of the things is it's, and this has become a moot point at this point, but if I drop much more line down there, and based on what your caller said, this line will break probably at the top of the line because that's where all of the pressure will be.
We'll be back to you after the bottom of the hour, all right?
Stay right there.
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The devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal.
He was in a bind because he was way behind and he was willing to make a deal.
When he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot, and the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, Boy, let me tell you what.
I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too.
And if you care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
Now, you play pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
I bet a fiddle of gold against your soul because I think I'm better than you.
The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin.
But I'll take your bet, you're going to regret, cause I'm the best it's ever been.
Johnny, Rossett, you're a fool and play your fiddle heart.
I'll tell you the George, the devil's human heart.
And if you win, you get the daddy fiddle, bet of gold.
But if you lose, the devil gets your soul.
But if you lose, the devil gets your soul.
The devil opened up his case and he said, I'll start this show.
And fire flew from his fingertips as he rolled up his bow.
And he pulled the bow across the strings and it made an evil hit.
And the band of demons.
She's got better days.
She turned a music fun.
You won't have to thank her twice.
She's pure as New York snow.
She's got better days besides.
It should be, she needs you.
Hover back to just to please you.
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Tonight's program originally aired February 24th, 1997.
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If you go to my website, you can read that article in the Washington Post.
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Now back to Mel.
And Mel a lot of this audience would not have heard, but there was another little bit of the legend of the hole.
Apparently, at some point, somebody threw a dead dog into the hole, right?
After finding out the story about the black beam, the other day I thought I'd go out there and do some more research amongst my neighbors who may have.
So I'll buy him a cup of coffee and find out a few things here.
Anyway, I had talked to one gentleman who's really quite elderly and has lived in the area for a long time.
But he said that originally, and this is going way back, so this must go back about 40, 50, maybe longer, that there was a series of, around the hole, there was a series of stone columns.
And so I asked him, you know, could he like, you know, you know, I sketched out a little how the property looks there and see if he could place the stone columns on it.
There is a tremendous amount of naturally generated high-voltage electricity deep in the Earth.
What if the bottom of the hole on Mel's property is a naturally occurring focal point, a lot like the device that Mr. Markham built?
The Earth could have its own, in effect, time machine.
Over the centuries, through various quakes and so forth, all of the soil above the portal would have fallen into the bottom and been launched into some other time.
This explains the lack of echoes in the apparent depth of the hole.
I mean, if the hole right now, I don't know, is 15, 16, 17 miles, you know, how long would it take for the sound to travel back, you know, if it is hitting bottom?
Let's say it's hitting bottom at, say, 15 miles.
You know, how long would it take?
Or would I hear it at all?
You know, those are things, you know, I don't know.
I anticipate what will be going down into hole in the future will be federal prisoners, I imagine.
We'll be going down there on a non-voluntary basis, I assume, because I mean, you know, if we're talking to government here, which it is obviously the government that's interested in this, they have every piece of technology they could ever want.
They could send down cameras, they could send down whatever they wanted.
So I assume at some point if they determined that it was safe for a human being to go down, they'll send a person down.
And they take air readings, if it's got good air, bad air, find out what's going on.
I'd say that they would do that.
Again, I'm just like poor ordinary little guy here who doesn't have a lot of technology as bad.
Well, how would you like to get a whole bunch of citizens together, Mel, and go marching on that property and challenge their authority to take your property like that?
Well, we talked about that over coffee with the guy that told me about the stones out there, you know, saying, you know, I mean, you know, we're pretty, we're big on property rights here.
and i have and then i end up being a convicted drug cooker i am you know that that's that's you know i Those were the exact, those were almost verbatim, the exact words they said.
You know, you know, you know, we could find a drug lab on this property if you get my drift.
Excuse me for a second, Mel, on the subject of cloning.
You know, all day I've been listening to this drivel from the scientists about the cloning thing, that we're not going to do it.
Oh, well, yes, this technology will allow cloning, but we're not going to do it.
That is utter garbage.
And when we get around to talking about cloning, which we will, we're going to talk about it in an entirely different vein because unless you are naive beyond belief, spending your time talking about whether we should or shouldn't, will or won't is baloney because we will.
I guess you can say, should we?
But we will, I guarantee we're going to clone.
Anyway, that is not tonight's subject or the moment's subject.
Mel's hole is, first time caller line, you're on the air.
Well, I have to tell you that as far as what I believe is now that the surface of the hole there has been, you know, there's a lot of snow on the property.
It's been covered up with snow.
I think that's what the yellow gear was there for, just to groom it all so you can't see it from there.
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Well, I think there's a lot of questions that need to be answered.
And too, if the military's out there, if there was a plane crash, I think the media would want to know what kind of plane it was, who was flying it.
Yeah, one of the neighbors says he saw almost like a parade of these things going out there, like three, four of them, plus some generator equipment there, too.
Well, you know, when I originally approached this thing here, you know, what I wanted to do was to get some good ideas about the nature of this thing here.
I just went, and those of you who listened last week toward the end of the show, a horrible incident occurred with super glue, which I really don't even want to go into right now, but a bunch of carts, you know, carts that we play, like this one you're listening to right now with bumper music and stuff, were in a cart rack, and my cart rack came out of the wall.
And it's in there with some mollies.
So I went and got some super glue and tried to glue it back in, and that's when the disaster began.
I just tried to pull my Pink Floyd cart out of the cart rack, and I noticed that I had glued my carts into the cart rack along with wherever else the glue went, which I don't want to discuss.
The glue obviously got on these carts and glued them to the plastic cart rack.
So now the cart rack is off again, and a portion of the cart rack is in my Pink Floyd cart with peas on it, so I can't even get the cart in the machine anymore.
I'm telling you, folks, I'm telling you, you get sick, you get stupid.
That's all there is to it.
We're going to get back to Mel.
We're going to get back to Mel in a moment with his sad story of the hole, deepest hole maybe in the whole world, as a matter of fact.
We don't know.
We'll probably never know now.
Now that's the sad part of it.
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Just that, you know, just after beginning to explore this thing here, you know, with the help of your audience and, you know, further questioning on, you know, people, you know, that live around in my area here, asking them, you know, really, do you remember anything strange about the hole in particular?
Yeah, but again, I do believe that the hole itself has been covered over with the surrounding snow.
They probably did a really nice job with what they brought in there of keeping it invisible from the air.
That was my speculation of why they brought the yellow gear out as to kind of dress it up a little bit there so that anyone casually going over, they wouldn't notice anything.
That's just my opinion.
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Okay, and another thing is I got a little assumption of why none of the animals want to go by there.
I've only been over on my side of the mountains for a little while, but born and bred in Yakima and a graduate of Central Washington University.
Spent a lot of time in Ellsburg.
In fact, I sat around with one of my old professors, who is one of these guys who has been living in the area for, oh, God, forever.
And he actually had told me rumors one morning over coffee, sitting down in one of the little restaurants about a great big hole that nobody knew the bottom of.
And the one thing that really surprises me, this guy that was saying, well, I'd take a gun in the media up there.
What a lot of people don't realize, Art, and I think that most people don't realize, is he lives about, oh, depending on where the hole is, between five and ten miles away from one of the largest military reservations in the Pacific Northwest, possibly the western United States.
The Akima Firing Center is where they did all of the training for Desert Storm.
They have a bunch of satellite dishes up there that theoretically don't exist, that they use for talking to satellites that aren't there.
And all sorts of things, very interesting things go on up there.
And so something like this, a hole appearing within spitting distance of this military reservation, it doesn't really surprise me a whole lot that they had trucks and stuff out there in a lightning bulb.
I could do that in terms of saying, I think there's something interesting going on over there, and send them out there.
And what I assume that'll happen is if they did go, if they thought it was a valid story, they'll say, look, we're conducting military exercises on this land here, and there's nothing for you to see.
And I think that'll be it.
Again, this guy was real clear to me.
He said, look, I asked him, I said, look, I suppose you don't want me to talk to anybody about this.
And he said, hey, no one's going to believe anyway.
If I actually get to talk to somebody in a position of authority who wants to sit down and talk Turkey, and I'm not talking about my real estate agent, honestly, I'm going to ask for a relocation to another country is what I'm going to do.
That was an Associated Press story, and they lowered a microphone in, and they heard the screaming, agonized sounds of thousands of people in agony, they said.
That was an actual AP story.
Now, it may have turned out to have been not true, but AP ran that story.
Well, you get like one of your buddies over there, and you get it over there on its, you know, so it's like leaning over on its back, and you slide it over on the stone wall, and you just kind of give it a shove, and it just sort of goes straight down.
In fact, the bottom of the hole, if there is a bottom to the damn thing, must be truly disgusting, a mixture of horrible things of earth that should not have been thrown in there.
Well, we'll do one more half hour, and we'll be right back.
It is a strange and wonderful world out there, is it not?
Stay right there.
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And I think to myself, what a wonderful world I see skies of blue, the clouds of white, the bright, blessed day, the dark say goodnight, and I think to myself,
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I would have preferred, to be honest with you, to be there tomorrow morning letting a little more line down into the hall and just going along my merry way.
All right, as a matter of fact, here's the facts, Mel, saying, regarding the hole, it sounds to me like the government's going to take the hole and give Mel the shaft.
But there's one that talks about making graven images of things.
and that would be even things that are under the earth and then there's a Well, there are scriptures in the Bible that also allude to a hollow earth.
Oh, oh, oh.
And so there's one in Revelation that talks about they were looking all around to try and find somebody who was worthy to open the scrolls or the seals or something.
Yeah, again, I'm going to have to, the main thing I have to do is decide, is this tantalizing enough for me to move forward and say, well, I want to claim this as my own.
I want to deal with it on my own basis.
Do I want to get out of it?
Do I want to get into trouble?
I mean, these are the considerations that I have here.
Here's Daryl in Rancho Mirage who says, kidding aside, Mel's hole, if in fact he is sitting on top of an access point to an extraordinary depth, he's also right on top of a whole bunch of trouble.
The potential military scientific significance can go as deep as one's imagination allows.
One thing is for sure.
The government doesn't have this kind of response to retrieve an old refrigerator.
I think Mel better get an attorney, Presto, if he doesn't have one already.
Remember, if they accuse him of a drug-related violation, they can reco that property in a flash.
Mel, I think that you're looking for some kind of notoriety for some reason, and I think that you think everybody is pretty gullible that is listening to Art Bell's program, and that you're taking unfair advantage of him.
To be honest with you, and since you're from Reno, and if I wanted to be on the air talking about something, I'd much rather talk about my work with Indian herbal remedies.
That would be the thing that I would prefer to be talking about.
It just so happens that the materials I'm working from are from northern Nevada, from your local Indians out there, and they're the ones that have provided me with the line of research that I'm doing.
I have, you know, this whole thing is secondary, you know, but if I had a topic I really wanted to speak about, that would be it.
I've already given it to Linda, as a matter of fact.
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Oh, that's great.
And I think if he's told over 10 million people on the air that he's been threatened, that they're going to falsely accuse him of having a drug farm out there or something, and he got a really good lawyer like Jerry Spence, they would never be able to follow through on that.
Especially if he had a bunch of media attention like Strange Universe and stuff out there.
Look, I live out here in Nevada, and I can tell you because there's been some experimental planes that have crashed out here, and A, it does not get into the media, B, the military cordons off the entire area, and trust me, you don't get anywhere near it.
I know personally that's true.
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All you need to do is contact one of the air traffic controllers for the area and find out if there's any record of anything in that area at that time.
You can also find out, I mean, if it's an air crash, where's the NTSB?
If it has anything to do with drugs, where's the DEA or the drug task force for that area, whatever it might be called?
If there is anything to do with anything else as far as the geological properties of the area, you can find all this information out from USGS.
Yeah, you can get a realtor and make an offer, and they will come and give you that offer.
So, look, I don't know what else to say or do, Mel.
If there's any way I can help you, if there's any media contacts or political contacts I can supply you with that will help when you decide what you're going to do, come to me.
If there are any significant further developments that you want, or you get some neighbors who want to come on the air, I'll put them on.
If you get any drawings, I'll put them up on the website.
I'll do whatever I can do to help you.
And I feel a little guilty about having solicited you on the air in the first place and causing all this.
And I generally find that usually the people that are most well-spoken are generally the ones that you really have to watch out for.
I know.
I think that's always a good thing to bear in mind.
And so, you know, I've got some thinking to do about this art.
And I appreciate everything that everyone has said.
I think overall, I think I've moved forward in this in terms of actually being able to resolve this within my mind.
And I think for that, it was good.
Quite honestly, your involvement with this may not, you know, it may be happening now because of your involvement, but it may be happening, could be happening a year from now without your involvement.