Art Bell and Jim Forbes of Strange Universe debate airborne illnesses on Boeing 757s, NASA’s 10% asteroid tracking failure, and conspiracy theories like government-controlled NBC. Forbes covers bizarre topics—from bottled qi energy to the Chupacabra—while Bell dismisses fringe cures like colloidal gold, mocking Tiananmen Square tributes and caller claims of time travel or catapults. Callers question Mars missions, UFOs (Billy Meyer photos), and Ed Dames’ earthquake predictions, but Bell insists skepticism shouldn’t stifle curiosity. Ultimately, the episode blends humor, health gripes, and fringe science, proving the universe’s endless supply of unexplained oddities—even if some remain unproven. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning as the case may be across all these many, many time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Islands eastward to the Caribbean, the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, and north to the Pole worldwide on the internet.
As you may have noticed, I have been gone the last couple of days.
Ooh, sick.
I have been so sick.
And it's still with me.
So it's problematic whether I'll make it through the entire evening.
But I'm going to have some very harsh things to say later in Open Lines about airplanes, recirculated air, and the fact that every damn time I've flown, I have gotten sick.
That's the only time I get sick is when I fly.
And if you count back when this particular illness began to descend on me, it falls squarely into the period when I was on the airplane coming back from Mexico.
A few days of vacation followed by dire illness.
So I'm going to have something to say.
It's really time that we did something about airplanes.
I don't know what, but recirculating the air of sick people.
And you know, if you fly up and down the airplane, and I was flying 757s, Boeing 757, there's people coughing and sneezing and hacking.
And they're recirculating that with some smaller percentage of fresh air.
And everybody's getting subjected to germs.
And I'm so angry I could spit.
I don't like being off the air.
I like being on the air.
It's what I do.
And when I sit around here just being sick, it frustrates me and it makes me angry.
And so I'm here tonight, frustrated and angry at being sick, not liking kicking around the house with nothing to do.
So we'll see if my voice will hold up.
Because this is going to be, this is going to be fun.
Jim Forbes is here.
Jim Forbes is the senior correspondent for the nationally syndicated television show Strange Universe.
Strange Universe covers the same kind of material that I cover on this program.
Mainly the bizarre, the unusual, the incredible, the entertaining, the fascinating.
In other words, very much like my program, Strange Universe seems to have no limits with regard to what it will do.
And so they're a natural.
Now, I'll tell you a little story in a moment about how Strange Universe came to interview me.
At any rate, a little bit about Mr. Forbes, who moved to LA in 1985 after being hired as an investigative reporter for CBS-owned KCBS-TV, you know that station, was immediately thrust into covering the Night Stalker serial murders.
During the past dozen years, while being based in Los Angeles, Forbes has covered nearly all major events, including earthquakes, floods, fires, airline disasters, sensational trials, presidential elections, and the L.A. riots.
I wonder how he lived through all that.
This work was performed for a variety of local and national news outlets, including CBS, Fox, PBS, and the now-defunct FNN.
As a producer for Extra, I didn't know that, Forbes coordinated the month-long on-site coverage of the 1996 Atlanta Olympics.
For the past two seasons, Forbes was the road-based co-host of Financial News Networks, the American Entrepreneur, producing more than 100 long-form profiles in 40 states.
So, in a moment, we will go and speak with Jim Forbes.
And again, he has covered just about all of the same kind of material that we have covered here.
So it should be a very, very interesting interview.
Tell you a funny little story as we get ready to go to Jim Forbes here.
You know me in TV.
I don't like television very much.
I like to watch it, and I use it as an information source, but in terms of being on it myself, it's not been one of my favorite things to do.
And Jim called me, oh, I don't know, gosh, this goes back half a year now and said, we'd like to do a story on you.
And we finally got down to discussing the psychology of this.
And I was saying, look, there's just no way on television that you can do a piece in a short amount of time that is going to be reflective of what this program really is all about.
It's going to be absolutely impossible.
It's not going to come out right.
I just don't think you can translate it.
Well, Jim Forbes did.
And the piece he did was just absolutely perfect.
I mean, it just really told the story of this program.
I don't know if you happen to catch it or not, but Strange Universe did indeed a piece on my program, and they really, really, really captured what the program was all about.
I was surprised.
But the reason it happened is this man, Jim Forbes.
And so we're going to reverse roles.
I'm going to interview Jim Forbes of Strange Universe.
But I drive up there, fast-forwarding, in November, fast-driving, as a matter of fact, as the Nevada Highway Patrol now knows, as I'm coming over the hill in Perrump.
Why there is this sudden, dramatic increase in this kind of subject material?
And it's a very wide field, Jim.
It's not just a narrow part of the paranormal, but it's a very wide, as the name of your TV show says, Strange Universe, you covered just about everything.
I mean, I cover things from Chevrolet's falling out of the sky to I had Pamela on.
But one of the most exciting stories that is going on right now, and I was, as a little league coach, was at practice earlier and telling some people there, and they're saying, you're kidding me.
You know, what's interesting about that is, you know, many very people who would consider themselves serious scientists would want to keep arm's length from Richard C. Hoagland.
The recent images of Galileo would have just come back in the last month, the high-resolution images, as it's making closer passes of Europa, the closest of which is this month, E6, I believe, is what it is.
We did a major piece on Europa about three weeks ago, and that is exactly what he said.
And a week after that, I was at Meteor Crater outside of Flagstaff with, of course, the evident geologist Eugene Shoemaker, and he was we were talking about it, and he was saying very much the same thing.
And he said, you know, his only frustration is he feels that some of his colleagues are being a bit more contained than they need to be, that there's much more to it, and they know there is much more to it.
What I have always tried to imagine is when we do discover, not if, but I think when we do discover life elsewhere, and Europa is a great candidate, what it's going to do to our entire social structure, to our religious paradigms, to everything, Jim.
What do you think the reaction would be like if we put a submarine under there and found ourselves staring at what appears to be some form of life, not necessarily like ours, but with a distinct possibility of being intelligent?
I think, well, they're, of course, saying that what they expect to see is anaerobic life, very much some of the type of things that we're seeing already through the glacial crust in the Antarctic.
You know, NASA has been going, Ames has been down there conducting experiments for the past 15 or so years, and those have been in the vein of going to Mars and the eventual terraforming of Mars, which Chris McKay and Robert Zubrin are such great proponents of doing.
And they found that there is life, much to their surprise, and very vibrant life in the water of the Antarctic.
Well, the only way that Europa could not be frozen solid, I think, would be if there is a force that we don't understand or there's some volcanic venting, and I think that's what they're leaning toward, volcanic venting, that would, in effect, heat things up, allow life to gather near it, because we have found volcanic venting and life near it at ocean depths here on Earth that shouldn't be.
And what they say that they find most remarkable is not only Europa, but when they look at the other Jovian moons such as Ganymede and Io, that each has its own fingerprint.
I mean, Eugene Shoemaker sat on the edge of Meteor Crater at dusk at a beautiful setting, and we're talking about comet collisions and drift over to Europa.
And he looked at me dead in the eye and said, you know, that is the greatest, as we know it now, that is the greatest chance for life in our universe at this moment.
That Shoemaker interview will be in an upcoming story in which we're also going to start exploring almost the technical side, but the imaginative side of how they would send an unmanned mission to Europa and get through the crust and send us back those images.
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And in fact, I said to you, what timeframe were we looking at?
I mean, there's a lot of pressure, and I've been close enough now to TV to know how it goes, and it's like minute to minute to minute, tremendous pressure.
And I'm wondering, what is the process in Strange Universe for deciding what you're going to cover?
How do you find stories?
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Well, you know, Art, it's a matter of what's strange, and strange is, you know, by definition, what's not the norm.
For instance, early in the second season of the show, we did a piece on the Museum of Jurassic Technology in a very obscure corner of Culver City, California.
And essentially what they've done there is gather what mainstream museums would not gather.
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I mean, he's got one exhibit that is the City of Angels on Wheels.
You know, there are certain people who've lived in these trailers who have essentially have incredible collections of China that they've assembled from around the world.
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There's one woman who had a collection of bottles.
I think there's 3,000 of them.
You're hard-pressed to wonder how they fit in there.
For instance, I just finished doing a story today concerning a Russian physicist, his wife, who's a chemical engineer, and a Chinese chi master, all of whom converged on Columbus, Ohio after emigrating from their respective countries.
Well, it's not easily explained, but essentially it is the ancient Chinese belief of the energy and matter within each of us, and that it's being in harmony, your mind and your body and your soul in harmony with the universe and gaining the maximum of your own potential.
And the other form, I mean, the bottled water is one thing, but they propose that they have the physicist and his wife, the chemical engineer, have proposed that they have figured out the mathematical equation to take this energy, this Qi, and put it on electromagnetic tape.
On the one hand, we brought it to an audio technician here in Los Angeles, a gentleman who has worked on major films from Pocahontas to major television shows, and he put it side by side and checked the waveform compared to an absolutely blank audio cassette.
And two of the followers of these people who've come up with this idea, one teaches Eastern religion at Wright State, another teaches karate at Wright State.
And they went to the basketball coach of the university and suggested that, why don't you try this tape?
So for the next six games, one hour prior to each game, the Wright State players sit in their locker room, put towels over their heads to block out any other sort of distraction, and they play this tape.
And I think the reason that it is succeeding is because people are realizing that there is more to life than they hear on the evening news with Dan Rather and company and the others.
And there's more to life than politics.
I kind of broke out of the talk radio mold of nothing but politics, all politics all the time, because I just sat down and I thought about it, Jim.
How many hours a day do you spend at home with your family raging and discussing politics?
So is talk radio, therefore, a reflection of American life and interest?
No, not necessarily, because there's nobody that spends that many hours arguing about politics at home.
There's more to life.
So I thought I would take talk radio in a different direction, as you have taken television and news reporting.
Is it, okay, it's not tabloid, and it's not news in the sense of Dan Rather, because it goes beyond that.
Well, there are a lot of people, people in my industry, other talk show hosts, who look at what I'm doing and don't understand it, Jim, and they're afraid of it, frankly.
It's getting big ratings.
It's doing very well.
People are absolutely fascinated with it, and they don't understand it.
They don't like it.
They're afraid of it, and so they criticize it.
And I've learned a long time ago to get very tough skin.
What about mainstream journalism?
The news departments of networks, regular newspapers and other people in journalism, they must look at you and what you're doing in much the same way other people in my field look at me and what I'm doing.
You know, the funny thing about it is I was at a lunch just yesterday, as a matter of fact, with some former colleagues of mine, and we were talking about it, and they must have been working at the hour we're aired here in L.A. because they really hadn't seen the show.
What you're doing now and what I'm doing is becoming so popular that it is beginning, and this is a sensitive subject, it is beginning to affect the mainstream network newscasts.
This is sort of the other side of the coin.
In other words, if you watch NBC these days and you look at the amount of time that they're devoting to stories they would not have touched previously, it's going up and up and up, and it's shows like yours that are pushing it.
One, our audiences demanded it, frankly, in doing the focus groups, which our industry does when they sit down people and say, what do you like and what don't you like?
That was one of the things they really latched onto were the weekly space report that I've been doing, which is a very straight, serious science report.
Did the piece on Europa on the comic collisions with Eugene Shoemaker and consistently covering Hubble.
My affiliate in Los Angeles, KBC, earlier in the day, called up and tried to verify the rumor that Art Bell was dead.
They actually called up and said, is it true?
Is Art dead?
No, I'm not dead.
Close.
But not dead.
I have had an illness which was the birth of which occurred on the airplane that I took, I believe, back from Mexico.
If you count the days back, the germination period is absolutely perfect.
So I'm going to have quite a bit to say about airliners and their recirculating air.
I have a guest at the moment.
His name is Jim Forbes, and he's really a nice guy.
He is the senior correspondent for Strange Universe, which covers a lot of topics, very much like the ones I cover here.
We travel a lot of the same roads, and in a moment, during my delirium, I did digest Asteroid, the movie, the other night.
And I have some comments on Asteroid, some of them a little bit harsh, I suppose.
Well, as I said, in my delirium, I watched Asteroid.
I mean, I really hate it when I'm sick.
I have nothing to do around the house.
Nothing.
And I'd really rather be on the air, but I was too sick to be on the air.
Maybe I am tonight.
I don't know.
But I watched, and maybe this affected the way I watched this movie.
But I watched Asteroid, and I thought it was really a cool premise.
The special effects were superb, absolutely excellent.
For television, particularly good.
But then they got off on this tangent of this little kid.
Remember the little kid?
In the second part of the movie, they spent all the time looking for this little kid who didn't have enough common sense to stay with his grandfather, who had fallen into a pit.
By the time it was all over, toward the end, this little kid was actually at ground zero.
He had managed to make his annoying little feet take him to ground zero, right in the middle of the crater.
And here he was hanging on, somehow in the worst possible position, about to fall in the crater.
And I was so upset, I was ready to throw him in the crater.
I've been there.
Go ahead, step on his hands.
Let the little guy go down there and burn to a crisp.
And it basically is saying that Earth is, in fact, overdue for a collision with an asteroid or comet that could cause devastation similar to that is thought to have destroyed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.
Has Strange Universe yet covered the whole asteroid danger business?
You know, when we stood on the edge of Meteor Crater with Eugene Shoemaker, and I stood there and I said, first of all, it certainly gives you, it makes you quite humble with respect as to who we all are and where we should be in the universe.
And we have the absolute capability of finding all of the asteroids in the asteroid belt, but we haven't invested in doing that.
Right now, you know, the billions of dollars spent on NASA, we are spending $1 million a year mapping the asteroids, whereas Shoemaker will tell you that if we were to spend as little as $4 million a year, we would be able to map them all and know exactly where they are and know what potential dangers we have.
As it is, we only know 10% of the ones that are up there.
And that's what, you know, again, Shoemaker Levy 9 hopefully started to awaken people, but not enough that we're spending the money to go out and map it as rapidly as we should.
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It's a small investment.
We're talking $4 million a year.
There are basketball players.
There are baseball players that make twice that salary in a year.
And I have this awful feeling, and it's just a feeling, that with all the attention suddenly given to asteroids, don't ask me why, but it seems as though once we begin thinking about something, it happens.
Now, maybe that's a dumb position to take, but I've got this feeling that we're going to have a problem with an asteroid.
Now, we had one just miss us, I think in March, last March or something.
250, some 60,000 miles, whatever it is, not far.
And I recall being on the air in years past, Jim, and the Associated Press would come on at the top of the hour and would report, well, scientists just reported today that three days ago we had a very close encounter with an asteroid.
They told us about it three days after the fact.
And I think an asteroid is a little like a bullet that hits you.
You don't generally see the ones that are going to get you.
That is particularly true, as you know, with comets, because comets are coming, the ones that are most dangerous and most prevalent are from the Oort cloud, way, way, way out in the edges of the universe.
And because they're so far away, obviously they don't reflect the sun, so we don't see them.
And suddenly they come whizzing in, and according to John Matisse at Southwestern Louisiana State, you'll have, for instance, if Halbop were headed our way, and they all say at this point it is, of course, not, or Hayakotake, if it was headed our way, we would have had 30 to 50 days to prepare.
And essentially, that means we would have had 30 to 50 days to write our own epitaph because there's not a darn thing we can do about it.
In the movie Asteroid, they sent up a couple of fighter planes and they fired a laser beam at it, and it broke the thing up into a million pieces that then came down and destroyed Dallas.
But I don't think that we have any magic laser beam to fire at an asteroid or anything else for that matter to fire at an asteroid.
And so that's a good question.
In other words, would we only have time to put our head down between our legs and do the appropriate pucker?
At this point, yes, because I mean, there are theories, that being one of them, the laser beam, one of a half dozen to a dozen theories of how we could do it, sending a nuke up there, sending a chemical weapon up there, sending some sort of rocket thruster that would attach to and hopefully just slightly put it out of the rotation toward Earth.
You know, it doesn't take much to move it out from the difference between a dead hit and a near miss is doesn't take much.
And as they come whizzing by the sun, those gases begin to melt and cause essentially they're little booster rockets.
So it's not exactly like letting the air out of a balloon, but it's the difference between a curved ball and a fastball.
And so even if we had the technology to divert, which we do not, a comet, all bets are off because it doesn't stay as steady in the rotation as, of course, an asteroid does.
All right, well, look, I hate to blow your bubble up, but interesting as all that sounds, the fact of the matter is we do not now have the technology to stop a comet or an asteroid, period.
F-16s or anything else, to the best of my knowledge, unless we've got something I don't know that we have, and of course there's another entire story, Jim.
Yes.
What do you think, Jim, that we've got that we're not telling the world about?
I live near, you know, the tessite area 51, Dreamland.
What do you think we've got that we're not telling we have?
I don't think even our imagination understands quite some of the technology we've worked on, whether it be anti-gravity, whether it be faster than speed of light.
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I think it's far beyond the realm of our understanding.
All right, here's a really, really hard question for you, Jim.
If you were on to a story that we do possess anti-gravity technology, that craft at Area 51 or wherever have been using this, and you went out and you got some video of these craft, and then somebody from the government came to you and said, look, this is a matter of national security.
If you show this film, you're going to harm national security.
I don't know whether you've ever had this happen or not, but under a circumstance like that, in a near to the wall here, what would you do?
It is nationally syndicated in the vast majority of the country.
We're in, I believe, over 90% of the country.
So, depending on what your local television market is, whether that be Kansas City or Pittsburgh or wherever, that would determine the station and the time.
It is not a network program, per se, for those who aren't really knowledgeable of what syndication means.
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It's on individual stations in each television market.
And what I would suggest, I'm sorry, I was going to add, Art, is that we are on the internet and at Reischer.com and StrangeUniverse, Reischer.com, I should say.
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And I may be mistaken on that.
I should know that better.
But that's one way of finding exactly where we are.
Jim Forbes, the senior correspondent for Strange Universe, is my guest.
What a cool job, huh?
He gets to go and report on and investigate all these really strange stories.
Right down my alley.
From Gary in Como Country, Jim, Gary says, My personal thanks to Strange Universe for doing the feature on my world's first alien pin-up girl calendar last week.
But what I think is beginning to occur now, again, referring to Europa, the discovery of the possibility of life on Mars last summer, the images of Hubble, Galileo, Voyager, certainly as it was going into the outer reaches.
Voyagers 1 and 2 still, I mean, they're hopefully in the next five, six years going to send back some incredible information as they go to the outer limits.
Pathfinder is going to crash land on Mars 4th of July, Independence Day.
Mars Global Surveyor will be taking high-resolution images of Mars later in the fall.
With all of this going on, I think it's beginning to spark the imagination of what's possible, what we need to do.
As McKay and Zubrin are out there talking about terraforming Mars, I think we're beginning to get interest in the space program again.
I know when I went in and talked to a fourth and fifth grade, two fourth and fifth grade classes, my son's class and another, at the end of the fall semester, and we were discussing Pathfinder, the Mars Accord, the Russian and NASA joint venture for Rover, the Nano rover, the next version.
These children were so fascinated by it, and each individually wrote me back a thank you letter.
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And I'll tell you, Art, their recollection of the specifics, the specific science in those pieces was amazing.
Do you ever get accused of being part of a plot to prepare the American people for contact or prepare the American people for some incredible thing that's about to occur?
Yeah, I was thinking that would be a great idea for, like, if Strange Universe, for their Internet part, would set up some live cameras, you know, out in the hills somewhere.
Yeah, hotspots where there's a lot of conjecture of UFOs.
And also, if you guys might in the future start covering a little more of these satellites that go down that nobody on any talk show except our bells will talk about.
As a matter of fact, I was at that time speaking with a colleague at AT ⁇ T, pressing him on it, an old producer of mine in the investigative unit at CBS.
I haven't personally, but I do know the show did, and I'll try and find out more information for you on that as to where we are on it, because I know we were following it up as well.
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And then the other one, the other story I was thinking of was this, I heard on the Bell show, Al Bielick, some guy who time traveled.
How many times do you send somebody out to one of these very odd stories, and then there's obviously something to it, as there apparently was in this case.
Scott Lasky, another one of our correspondents, he and I were speaking hours ago about just that.
He had just come back from Mexico, as a matter of fact, and was doing a story on two teenagers who have the syndrome that essentially, in a nutshell, produces one to look like a werewolf to develop the hair.
What we found, as a matter of fact, they were very well-received shows, very highly rated, in repackaging some of the material that we had done earlier in the season.
You know, that's the coming from four generations of journalists, all of which were print.
The beauty of print is if you can't read it now or you don't have the time, you take it and you set it aside.
Television specifically before the advent of videotape, you had one shot at it, and if you don't get it, you lose it.
And it'd be presumptuous to think that all our viewers are watching it consistently every night.
As I mentioned earlier, a lot of them had to do with the straight science of NASA, last week's show with Philip Taylor Kramer.
And I do know that Tuesdays we were producing a certain number consistently.
And then one particular Tuesday, I believe it was November 26th, or it was the Tuesday prior to Thanksgiving, was one of our highest-rated shows that happened to feature Art Bell on it.
There's something taking the blood from those animals.
Now, my understanding is that a bat, and everybody wants to blame it on bats, you know, vampire bats, they don't actually suck the blood from anything.
They bite and they lap up the blood.
This is getting a little gory.
But there is nothing that anybody knows of out there, as far as I know, that actually removes, sucks all the blood, as in goat sucker, from an animal.
And they, and I saw hundreds, if not thousands of animals that have been, that have had all the blood taken from them.
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There's no argument, I don't think, of anyone on anyone's part of the end result.
So I suggest that those who you have on in the future might want to demonstrate using a plasma ball.
And, you know, this is just to demonstrate that the qi that all of us direct through our bodies to show the validity of those who are more effective in helping others to heal, so others will seek their help.
By the time I checked into the hotel at Daytona, the clerk had already read all the faxes that were waiting for me from the offices at Strange Universe, said the same thing.
I always think in some cases there's certainly a placebo effect.
That was a question that was presented in the story the gentleman was just referring to, the qi situation that we were describing with the basketball team.
I've seen a couple of things that were pretty strange.
But I want to make a comment about I found it interesting that on all the news on Monday, they said that they found the crater where the meteor hit that killed the dinosaurs.
They found the meteoric evidence that a crater is there.
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But the crater itself they have yet to locate.
Wow.
I had a question.
I've seen things.
What I've seen isn't like I could say it was a UFO or anything, but we were driving through Nevada, the middle of the desert, and something streaked down, and it was green, like with a light green color.
And it appeared, well, it exploded before it hit the ground.
How long ago was that, Mike?
About four years ago.
We were coming into Las Vegas.
I'm not sure exactly where we were in the state.
But then just about a week ago, I live in Minnesota.
We saw one and it looked like it arced.
It looked like it was me and my dad the first time, and then me and him this time, and my girlfriend couldn't see it happen because she was in the back of the van and we were driving.
And it appeared to come up out of the atmosphere and then arc back down.
And then it was really a really thick band of green, and we could see the burning red.
And you were talking about that with Whitley Striber last week.
Right.
And I couldn't tell because it happened, but it was like it hung in the air, you know, like the color.
And that's where some of my skepticism comes from.
It doesn't matter which organization now, but we were trying to do a story with them, and they were declining and saying that, well, you know, we brought out one of the other shows, predecessor to Strange Universe, not a news magazine style, but similar in certain areas.
Art Bell's UFO Encounter00:07:44
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And they said, you know, we had a UFO come down and make contact with us.
And I know this industry well enough that if they had captured a UFO that had made contact with them on videotape, I guarantee you that would have been their lead story over and over and over again.
I'm just, I'm compelled to go, and I am going in October, and I'm looking forward to that.
All right.
Bottom of the hour, we'll be right back.
Jim Forbes from Strange Universe is my guest.
I would ask you to go and get a pen and a pencil because I want to tell you about a cruise that we're going to be taking when we get back, a very special one up to Alaska.
And I haven't been here for a couple of days.
As you know, I've been under the weather, so we'll come back and do that in a moment.
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You are listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from February 19, 1997.
You are listening to Art Bell,
Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 19th, 1997.
Ours originally aired last Wednesday, February the 12th, which was the two-year anniversary of his disappearance.
And then as part of that particular story, Representative James Traffican, a Democratic congressman from Ohio, represents Youngstown, Ohio, where the Kramer family is originally from,
Had written to Lynn Buchanan to ask him to remote view with his assigned witness program and to see if he in fact uh was getting any idea as to the whereabouts or uh, whether uh Kramer was alive or not, and uh, we aired the piece this monday concerning his thoughts um uh, about upstate New York, as you said.
Now, Kathy Kramer, Philips Philip Taylor, Kramer's sister uh, who Art did have on a couple weeks ago, called this morning to say that she, in the two days since, has received several hundred phone calls from people with leads based on that story alone.
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Now, of course, none of the leads have uh panned out yet panned out yet, but it's that's much too soon to tell.
As a matter of fact, while i've got you here uh Jim tomorrow, let's get in contact.
I need Kathy's number because uh, major Ed Dames also did a remote viewing session on uh Kathy's brother and before I air the results of that, I need to speak with Kathy and i've lost her number.
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Okay, all right, absolutely okay.
Good, as a matter of fact, I think she's probably listening tonight.
It hovered over my backyard and it took off uh, very fast.
It was humongous.
It was three times as big as my home.
My home is 18 square feet, 1800 square feet, and it was about three or four times as big as that.
It was 350 feet up in the air.
I have a swimming pool in my backyard, quite humongous itself, and this thing was black and brown in color.
Uh, it looked very, very unusual.
Um, I can't really describe it.
It had antennas or something on top of it.
That was just.
There were quite a few of them coming out from the top and, like I said, this thing took off very quickly, but you know, it stopped up in the sky.
Uh, you know, I looked out my front window, I came inside.
I don't know, the subconscious mind works that way, where you don't stay outside because you're afraid.
So I came in and I looked out my window and this thing hovered, I mean it took off and it uh, was up in the sky like a star and it would turn off and turn on and I watched it for about half an hour and it stayed up in the sky like a star.
I've seen some that are so obviously bogus, and then there are others that you look at, and you look at and you look at, and you search for the explanation.
Do you have kind of a is your show like a newspaper?
In other words, do you have sort of a committee meeting where you all sit around a table and decide what stories are pending, what stories are hot, what should be covered or not covered?
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Yes.
I mean, logistically, it always doesn't take place that way.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Forbes.
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Hi.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning, Jim.
Good morning.
Good morning.
I'm Pat from Burbank, California.
Yes, Pat.
Around the corner from us.
I'm sorry?
That's around the corner from us.
Oh, great.
I'm in beautiful downtown Burbank here.
I have two proposals for you.
One, the particle beam that was talked about on your show the other night that they aimed at a mountain, and when they saw that it made it totally disappear forever, as the words were, they destroyed it and buried the notes.
I'd like to see a story done on that.
And the other thing I'd like to ask is, I'm kind of tired of all talk and no action radio.
Yeah, where information comes in daily and put up on a big board, and every little instance of factual information gets written down, organized, so that all these shows that we have information coming and going doesn't get lost, but is actually documented on a big board and see if we could all tie this together.
And, you know, in some cases, there isn't a natural follow-up, and in other cases, it's a natural failing of our business, is that we seize the iron while it's hot, and then we tend to forget about it.
The other day, I was trying to listen to one of your shows when you were out sick, and my station was carrying it, but I noticed that four of the other stations that I can pick up when my station doesn't come in very clear, wasn't carrying anything on Art Bell.
And I'm just kind of wondering if that was partly the stemming of Pozzle You Had Died.
I mean, it's really strange because I could pick you up on different bands from 8.40 up to 11.70, which is my station.
And when I couldn't get you on that station, I was out actually going out to go look at the comet.
And I was fading on that station, so I was trying to pick you up on one of the other stations that I'd normally get you.
And I couldn't find you on none of those other four stations.
If I died, they'd drag out their stock footage of me.
You know they would.
It is a cold business, media.
They really thought I died.
Media yesterday thought I died.
It was very upsetting.
It's like I didn't have a media access to the air.
I couldn't tell anybody.
And had I been gone tonight, the network was going to make it worse.
They were going to run this bumper.
I wonder if they found it up there.
They found it up there and have them run it for you.
Had to do with RIP, something about me in the desert, funnier than hell.
They played it for me on the phone.
And I thought, well, you know, with all the rumors going on out there right now anyway, to the point my affiliates are calling my house to find out if I'm dead, they're one more night and a few hints from the network, and it would have been utterly out of control.
Go back about three and a half, four years ago, I called you and told you that Boeing was building an experimental aircraft to take off conventionally from an airport and then go into outer space and refuel in the atmosphere and then go into outer space.
But, I mean, why do so many of these people who preach all this health stuff die early?
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Good point.
Okay, well, never mind then.
Can I talk about Ed Dames?
Sure.
It seems to me that he has made a very grim prediction, but we don't have much of a track record on his crystal ball.
And I wonder, especially with your earthquake central website and everything, it seems like it would be worthwhile to pin him down on his ability to accurately and specifically, with 100% accuracy, predict geophysical events, especially earthquakes and stuff.
What I would suggest, since he has claimed over and over that he could do it and that even new remote viewers could easily predict earthquakes, I would suggest that he post to your site or elsewhere some near-term earthquake predictions, no less than three days in advance, so there's not so the panic is not worse.
You know, I mean, if I told you that there's going to be the big one in San Francisco in two hours, that probably would cause worse disaster than the earthquake.
So not less than three days in advance, give people some warning, and then see how his track record is.
What do we know about his ability to predict geophysical events?
Well, that may be, but in terms of weather people talking about the jet stream actually coming down to the deck, as Ed Dames put it, I never heard that prior to his saying it.
Never, never, never.
Now, the jet stream does some pretty weird riffing and moving about, but I don't recall it ever coming down on deck.
And I don't recall the kind of wind speeds that we've had this winter.
Unusually and frequently, this winter, particularly in the northwest, some of the coastal areas have had wind speeds that are just unbelievable.
Now, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what would have been more realistic if they'd evacuated Kansas City and then the damn thing had hit Wichita and wiped out and wiped out.
I'm telling you, I wanted to see him thrown into that pit.
I wish the guy had come up and stomped on the little kid's hands, and he'd gone down there and...
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Yeah.
Well, I was sitting here thinking after you mentioned about evacuating Kansas City, and you know, I live out here and I watch these people drive all the time.
If it had rained, we'd have lost half of Kansas City.
So, before you send some suggestion to me, well-meaning as it might be, fact of the matter is, when you get it, it's going to run its course, and there's nothing you can do about it.
You know, I'm seeing all these articles here about how world leaders are paying homage to the Chinese leader who has died.
This is the guy who ran people down in Tiananmen Square with tanks.
What do you mean you're paying homage to him?
I suppose I suppose you might suggest that he led China into a new economic reality.
But he also slaughtered a bunch of people, so I don't know what the hell they're talking about, paying homage to him.
First of all, there's the issue of time itself with me.
There's been several times that I've been late for work or have thought the date has been completely different and just swore up and down that that's been the case.
my uh roommate the same one that um saw the that witnessed the flash of light from the back um she claims that she saw me at a different side of town on a day just this week than uh while i was sleeping and um she thought it was me and with another girl probably no No, no, no, not at all.
Just walking down the street drinking a soda with my head kind of hunched down.
I've got kind of unique features physically anyway, so it's kind of hard to miss me for somebody else.
I'm, you know, very young, or, you know, I'm not as old as back at that time, but it happened for about a week or two every day at the same time, around 4 o'clock.
And it was just a big, you know, like, you know, several dozen rocks falling.
And I remember, you know, my grandfather, many, many, you know, my grandfather many, many years ago, he used to say, you know, when these things came up, when we were discussing this in the family, that he knew that it was possibly some guy up in the mountains who was kicked off at the town fathers of that was using a catapult to do it.
I know that, you know, in the dramatization, the papers from San Francisco and Shirley does send a message when it was never really explained, and I just was wondering if you'd ever heard of anything like that or heard of that incident.
Well, my first inclination would be to thank you by that explanation, that there was some guy up in the mountain who was really ticked off at the town.
I was wondering, do you remember the night that you put, I think it was a plaque or a statue in your studio and tried to have people remote view it or something?
Well, it's because remote viewing is not something they do instantly.
It requires this longer process where they have a whole team of remote viewers go for it, and it just doesn't lend itself to instant results.
That's why.
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One other question.
I have a V-Tech, and I'm wondering, I put it when it's off, and I put it next to the radio.
It pulses.
it pulses the radium and i'm wondering if you knew what that would be here you mean it makes a sound in the radio yeah Yeah, in the radio, coming out of the radio, and I put it right next to, I mean, just the end of the night.
The whole thing fell apart, thank you, in the second half.
Absolutely fell apart.
I was getting so angry.
That dumb little rugrat just keeps on walking, leaves his grandfather, who had fallen down and hurt himself, leaves his grandfather, and begins walking in exactly the wrong direction, exactly toward ground zero.
And by the time they get to him, he's hanging on by his little hands, ready to fall into the crater.
Ooh, I was so angry.
I mean, I would have been pleased if they come up and stomped on the little guy's hands and he'd have fallen down.