Art Bell’s Coast to Coast AM blends bizarre claims—O.J. Simpson’s $8.5M civil liability verdict, a 1950s car falling from Wilmington skies, and Jack Coles’ 75% earthquake prediction (Feb 6–13)—with listener theories: government experiments, HAARP hums near Denver Airport, and asteroid threats now in the Emergency Broadcast System. Steve Forbes critiques Clinton’s deficit policies, warning of Social Security’s $8–$10T unfunded liability and pushing for tax cuts over credits. Ma Bell joins, debunking O.J. guilt skepticism while sharing childhood tales of Art’s explosives fascination. Callers speculate on cloning ethics, UFO sightings, and Roswell ties, as Bell teases investigations into "Hail Bob" comet events and Area 51 gold mining claims. The episode leaves listeners questioning justice, conspiracy, and whether the universe—or government—is staging surreal pranks. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across all these many time zones stretching from way out in the exotic Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains, eastward to the Caribbean, south toward South America, north to the Pole, worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast AM, and I am Art Bell.
Good morning, everybody.
Great to be here.
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You will find this program to be different for the most part.
And it's going to be a rather unusual, different sort of show this morning, too.
I had the distinct pleasure last night at the end of the program, something most of you would have missed, to interview Steve Forbes.
That was a 30-minute interview, and I'm going to repeat that at the bottom of the hour.
So what's going on tonight?
Well, let's see.
16 months after O.J. Simpson was cleared of murder charges, a civil trial jury unanimously blamed him Tuesday for the brutal killings of his ex-wife and friend.
The panel ordered the former football star to pay $8 million, $8.5 million, that is, in compensatory damages.
Simpson could be slapped with yet millions more in punitive damages in the next phase of the trial set to begin on Thursday.
Cheers erupted in the courtroom, the consternation of the judge.
Simpson left the courthouse to a chorus of booze and cheers, kind of a combination.
Daniel Petrcelli, the lead attorney for the victims' families, said he is grateful for the jury's verdict, called it vindication for Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.
Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, said the families finally have justice.
Is there justice in a monetary award where there may not be assets to be forfeited?
Nobody knows how much money O.J. has, and one would imagine a lot of it resides offshore someplace or another.
And if not, then you have to wonder how much money he's got to be tapped anyway.
The punitive portion is probably going to be very heavy from a money point of view, probably more than the $8.5 million.
It was a unanimous verdict.
Judges in California are loath to turn over a very popular verdict, so I don't, you know, there's going to be an appeal, of course, but I doubt that appeal is going to be successful.
But the good question is whether this now represents justice done.
I'm not sure.
I'm really not sure.
Money where there is none to be turned over for two lives that are lost.
I'm not sure that's justice.
You tell me.
At any rate, I'm going to pack a lot here in the first half hour commercially because I've got to clear the second half for you.
I'm going to have my mom on the air, probably about an hour and a half from now, something along those lines.
A little reaction on the Simpson matter.
Art, the criminal trial was a travesty.
The judge, weak, unable to keep the trial focused on relevant issues, the lead defense attorney took control of the courtroom and with sociopathic indifference, infected it and the country with a race issue that not only had nothing to do with any aspect of the case, but like a plague, ravaged the nation.
If you couple the above with a jury trial that in the kindest terms was horrible, you had the inevitable tragic result, not guilty, by reason of jury nullification.
Now at last, the case was tried fairly and appropriately.
The jury actually deliberated and in the face of overwhelming evidence came to a unanimous decision, libel, guilty of a brutal double murder.
But civilly, of course, not in a criminal sense.
Or this, all right, slow news day, huh?
Compensatory damages to the Goldman family, $8.5 million.
Punitive damages begin the war of the accountants.
How much can OJ afford?
The jury determines the punitive damages to be awarded, notwithstanding the statute they can't bankrupt Mr. Simpson.
An appeal of a prejudiced jury to the appellate court requires OJ to file bankruptcy or to collateralize 150% of the compensatory and punitive awards.
Does OJ have these kinds of assets?
Bryn Marie and San Francisco WellArt been following the Simpson mess for the whole two and a half years, and this is by far the most twisted confluence of events that I've seen thus far.
I've stopped saying it can't get any weirder.
So I think the chief question, and I've thought about this, is whether there really now is justice.
And I guess there is a mitigation of the injustice, but I certainly would not say there is Justice.
President Clinton had his State of the Union address mainly concentrating in areas of education and called for a stable partnership with Russia.
And I don't know how you have a stable partnership with an unstable nation, but he's called for that.
A jury in Kernville, Texas has recommended Darley Rottir die by lethal injection, the stabbing death of her five-year-old, pending charges also for killing her six-year-old son.
The boys, two, were stabbed to death with a butcher knife while they were asleep in their home near Dallas, a butcher knife.
That's definitely in the quickening category.
I have no idea how to digest news of that sort.
A mother comes in and stabs to death her two infants with a butcher knife.
That just doesn't seem possible, but I'm afraid today we know it is.
High art tonight around 1830, for the non-military, that would be 6.30 Pacific, a large explosion or some type of sonic boom was heard up and down the Pacific coast.
Literally shook our building.
Talking to various hands up and down the Puget Sound area within a radius of 150 miles, they all felt it.
The scanner went crazy.
I have no idea what it was.
The news media do not have any answers, Como King Cairo.
The FAA has no idea.
And I'd be curious to know who else heard it.
Jack Coles, who predicts earthquakes, says there has been one large main signal, specific character low frequency radio spikes, received by instruments today, February 4th, at 5.30 a.m.
And based on that, Jack Coles says we feel there is a 75% chance of a six-plus magnitude earthquake anywhere along the west coast of California down to South America.
Specific dates for the watch, February 6th through the 13th.
It figures.
I'm going to be going on a sort of mini vacation after this night for a few days.
And I'll be along the west coast and west coast of Mexico.
So it figures.
There is one absolutely irrefutable, unchallenged fact, and that is, when I have gone on vacations in the past, be they short or long, something incredible always occurs.
And I could take you back to Waco, and I could document events since then that have occurred on a regular basis every time I take as much as two days off.
Now, I trust this morning that Los Angeles is quiet, and the reports I've got so far indicate it is so.
There could be some concern, but I understand crowds that were there dispersed quietly.
And it looks as though it may be okay.
Hope so.
Many of you have no idea that our Senate, yes, the U.S. Senate, has now, second time around, a bill to create a new money.
Now, why do they want a new money?
Well, they talk about counterfeiting and that sort of thing.
But there are going to be two forms.
Why do they need that to defeat counterfeiting?
One inside the U.S. and one outside the U.S. That will change them as you come and go.
A lot of people, I'm one of them, think this will be an eventual devaluation of the U.S. dollar.
That's what they could do.
Doesn't mean they're going to, but they could.
Now, I can't fathom any other reason for two forms of currency.
Can you?
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All right, a few calls between now and the bottom of the hour.
Anything you want to talk about?
This will be my last night for, I don't know, three nights or so.
And so anything you want to talk about, comment on the O.J. Simpson case.
Any comments on the President's State of the Union address?
You're welcome to make those.
In other words, anything at all.
Oh, I did run into one very weird thing that I'm going to follow up when I get back from this little mini vacation.
And I talked to the man earlier tonight up in Oregon who had contacted my publisher with a very weird story.
And I can't tell you a whole lot of it right now, but apparently in Wilmington, California, the other day, there were UFO sightings, followed by, get this, a 1950s vintage automobile that fell out of the sky.
Now, the story I got from the man I talked to earlier tonight was that they cordoned the whole area off, and nobody knows much about it.
Now, if you're in Wilmington, I would love to hear from you.
But I am going to line up somebody who knows something about this.
Can you imagine that?
The 1950s, it was not specified what kind of vehicle it was, fell right out of the sky.
I had a quick comment on the O.J. Simpson case, and this is something I'm pretty sure you've never heard before because I have been listening this whole time for someone else to say it, but I've not heard it.
Yeah, but one presumes or would hope that parents or teachers Would guide the children with regard to where they go on the internet.
I mean, you know, parental control here, folks.
unidentified
Right.
Well, you know, we've been here at our school and we've gone to them and talked to them, and they have said that there's no control over that stuff, and what they're going to do is they're going to trust the children because the children have responsibility inbred in them.
He is editor-in-chief of Forbes, the nation's leading business magazine.
He, of course, was a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 1996.
He is now honorary chairman of Americans for Hope, Growth, and Opportunity.
I've heard that somewhere before.
A new national issues advocacy organization promoting issues like the flat tax, a new social security system for younger Americans, and medical savings accounts.
There is a big move in Washington now, a Republican move primarily for a balanced budget, constitutional amendment actually for a balanced budget.
The president promises to fight this with every fiber of his being.
And I wonder if you think it really does have a chance this time around, or is it just going to be another big fight?
unidentified
I think it's going to be, at the end of the day, a frustrating fight.
I don't think it's going to make it this time.
But I do hope that the advocates of the balanced budget amendment put with it something that I think would help attract support, certainly from the American public, and that is couple it with something they proposed last year, and that is a tax limitation amendment.
That if you have this balanced budget amendment, you want to be sure that the Washington politicians don't use it as an excuse to raise your taxes.
So have a provision in there that you need three-fifths or two-thirds of a vote of Congress to raise your taxes.
That way, if they have the balanced budget amendment, they're going to look at the spending side rather than trying to take more money out of your pocket.
Where would the Social Security business come into play here?
In other words, presently we're using those funds in effect to mask the size of the deficit, aren't we?
unidentified
You bet.
Well, this is where they have to be very careful on how they do what they call the enabling legislation.
That is translating an amendment into real law.
Because as you know, Washington, the way it keeps its books, is a way that no private corporation would be allowed to do.
They take those Social Security monies, and if they have a surplus, which with the baby boomer generation you have it for a few years, and they immediately go out and spend it and give the trust funds these IOUs with interest rates that are below market, the subsidy of the debt.
That's why the national debt always goes up more than the budget deficit by a factor of almost two to one.
It's because that money is borrowed.
That is not real revenue.
So they count it as revenues and then they count it as borrowings.
And so you couple, as a matter of fact, if Clinton had not increased taxes in 93, not to mention what the Republicans did in 1990, this economy would be much larger today and the deficit would be much smaller.
Now, there's talk of a bipartisan blue-ribbon panel to get together and consider if the Consumer Price Index is wrong and if there needs to be an adjustment, something that over, what, a decade could produce a trillion dollars for the government.
Is this just some big rip-off or is it genuine?
Should there really be an adjustment to the CPI?
unidentified
Well, you have many fine scholars and experts say that there are flaws in the way they calculate it now.
But I think that on Social Security, we should keep our eye on the really big issue.
Instead of going for a one-time fix, which we've done for the last 30 years, which always leads to higher taxes and fewer benefits, why not go for the real ultimate answer?
And that is keep the current system for those who are on it.
You don't want to scare people who are on the system or you'll never get real reform for younger people.
But while we still have time, start a new system, phase in a new system for younger people where part, the bulk of their payroll tax, instead of going to Washington, would go directly to their own special individual retirement account.
They couldn't touch it until a certain age, but it would belong to them.
They'd get quarterly or monthly statements.
And that way, even if they just put it in bank savings accounts, they will be infinitely better off when they retire than they're going to be under the current Social Security system.
But we've got a very big, expensive government to run, and without that money for them to steal, excuse me, borrow, they're going to have to be some mighty big adjustments back there.
unidentified
No, as a matter of fact, if you look at the real financial situation in Washington, you look at the Social Security system, and they have a real unfunded liability of about $8 to $10 trillion.
The debt is there.
The obligation is there.
Washington for years has pretended that it wasn't there.
So you can make a transition, combining the current surpluses we're going to get from the baby boom generation, the surpluses they've run up in the last 8 or 10 years, turn those IOUs, phase them in into real assets that you can sell.
And then if you need to borrow money, it's going to be infinitely less during this transition than that $8 or $10 trillion.
And then you pay the bonds off when you have the new system.
There are a number of proposals that have variations of that.
It's eminently workable, but the real objection in Washington is they fear a loss of power.
Mr. Wards, I've been watching the national debt, and I watch that clock like a hawk.
And I know that in some number of years ahead, the interest on the national debt is going to literally consume every dime we might have otherwise spent for somebody's socialist program.
When will that crunch point probably be?
I know they can play games with smoke and mirrors and all the rest of it and avoid it for a while, but at some point it's going to catch up with this.
How far away is that point?
unidentified
Well, it's probably several years away.
Right now, if we stopped increasing the national debt, we could cope with what we have today.
But you're right, the trend is the real frightening thing.
The 105th Congress is probably going to be fighting about the Constitutional Amendment and a lot of other things that, as you suggest, will probably end up being frustrating and going nowhere.
What should the 105th Congress be doing now?
unidentified
They should be doing several things.
One is set the foundation for genuine tax reform.
Try to get, as a beginning, a genuine cut in things like the capital gains tax, but make it clear that they're setting the foundation that if the voters want, the foundation will be there to junk this complex, corrupting tax code and replace it with something that people can actually understand, including the tax collectors.
Genuine Social Security reform, genuine Medicare reform, such as medical savings accounts, which if done right would give people more control, better coverage at less cost.
We've tried a variation of that at Forbes magazine for five years, and our costs per person are less today than they were five years ago.
Not one of our people is on managed care.
3,000 other employers have tried it.
The United Mine Workers have tried it.
It works.
Consumerism works.
Give people control, and they will do a better job than the bureaucracies.
You just went through a presidential campaign in which, because of your fortunate situation, you were able to generally fund as you needed to, I guess.
But the other two major parties both are now under investigation, the Democrats perhaps to a greater degree, and the Republicans to a lesser degree, I think.
Fred Thompson's getting all set up to investigate everything.
The question is, campaign finance, of course, and I'm sure you must have some views on this.
We're going to go through literal hell politically this year on this subject.
What would you do?
unidentified
I think the key is to recognize that the so-called reforms they put in 20 years ago, again, trying to micromanage everything, is one reason why we have the mess today.
I believe that they should raise significantly the caps on individual contributions as long as there's prompt and full disclosure.
If you make a major contribution to a candidate, it's public knowledge within 48 hours.
There's no reason why that can't be done.
And let the voters decide if the candidate has sold the soul to an individual or to a special interest group.
Well, it's going to be an interesting year, and there are a lot of investigations, not just campaign finance, but, of course, all the gates, and I'm not even going to bother going through them.
I'm just going to ask you whether, in your view, any of these investigations ultimately will really go anywhere, or will the people with the power protect themselves?
unidentified
Well, they're certainly going to try to protect themselves.
You see it with this White House, where Clinton can show himself to be a great master, great wonk, and great detail.
Suddenly, they have these huge memory lapses on certain things.
You're going to see a lot of that, but I think there will be, I think some of this is going to hurt.
It is going to stick.
And that may, funny enough, that the opposition and pro-growth Democrats play their cards right, might force the president to do some reforms that he might not do otherwise in the tax area.
The President will also, I'm told, propose tonight college tuition tax credits of $1,500, $10,000 tax deduction, that sort of thing.
He's going to concentrate a lot on the area of education.
Do you applaud that or think that it's a ruse?
unidentified
Well, unfortunately, again, it gets back to this idea they take your money and then they find a way to pretend to give it back to you, and you applaud that they're being so nice and considerate of some of the expenses you face in trying to raise a family, get your kids educated.
I think the key thing is on that kind of tax credit, why not first let people keep more of what they earn, and then they do have programs now where you can get grants, you can get loans, if those need beefing up to help some people, fine, do that.
But trying to use the tax code, they'll do it in ways where a lot of people won't get what they've been promised.
It'll increase the power of the bureaucracy, and we're not going to end up getting as much as we think we're going to get.
It's the typical Washington game.
Make it sound nice, make it sound like they're doing something in an area that people really feel there's a need in, but it's always less than meets the eye.
How do we get that message, empowerment, by actually returning the money to the people or letting them keep it, better said?
How do we get that message to resonate with the American people and then translate it into votes for somebody like yourself who would actually get it done?
unidentified
I think the key is persistence, doing what you're doing.
This new organization that you mentioned that I'm starting to promote issues like the flat tax and the new system for younger people, parental control of the schools.
There are a number of organizations out there working on some of these issues, and we just have to keep hammering away.
One of the things I discovered in the campaign was that people were genuinely interested in major reforms.
Even if they didn't agree with what you proposed, they wanted a real discussion on it, a chance to ask real questions on it.
People do go beyond sound bites if they think there's something worth talking about.
And what I haven't figured out is how to engage those who just frankly don't care or who have given up.
There's got to be some way to engage those people.
If you could do that, then you'd really be on the way.
unidentified
I think persistence is the key.
You keep hammering away on the message.
And then people, more and more people say, hey, let's make this happen.
If you look at the history of some of the great changes we've had in our country in the past, starting with our own independence, you recognize that it took years of work, grassroots work, to get the message out there.
And then it begins to take hold.
But the key is not to give up on it.
The key is to be persistent, find ways to persuade people, try to find new ways to engage people.
And eventually, if it's right, it will come to pass.
When the next opportunity comes to run for president, do you intend to be persistent?
unidentified
Well, one way or the other, it's much too early to tell even who the players are going to be, but one way or the other, I will remain engaged.
And one of the things I hope that this new organization I'm starting will achieve, help achieve working with others, is that regardless of who emerges, we're going to help set an agenda that they will respond to, have to respond to because of public support.
As a final question, looking at the market this year, you gave me some generally good advice.
It sounded like my financial advisor.
But what do you believe will occur to the market this year?
unidentified
I don't think much is going to.
I don't think the market is going to be much higher at the end of the year than it was at the beginning of the year.
There are going to be some ups and downs.
The key to keep your eye on is what this Congress does.
If they do something good on the tax front, if they keep the administration from going crazy on new regulations, then I think we have some hope.
But if they give up on a real tax bill, if they don't, if they retreat as they started to do last year on some of these regulations, then this economy is going to really slow.
That was my interview with Steve Forbes late yesterday morning, and I know a lot of you didn't get an opportunity to hear it, so I thought I would squeeze it in for you.
Well, obviously at the top of the hour, we will delve quickly into the Los Angeles area and find out what's going on down there.
I hear it's quiet.
We will confirm that and then move on to other business.
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Actually, 16 months after O.J. Simpson was cleared of murder charges, legally, a civil trial jury unanimously blamed him Tuesday for the brutal killings of his ex-wife and her friend.
They ordered him to pay $8.5 million in compensatory damages.
The rest of the damages are yet to be determined.
Jury will reconvene on Thursday, and there will be, no doubt, billions more.
The only question worth asking, was or has justice now been done?
And I don't think so.
I can't say I think so.
I've always thought that he was guilty, and as you know, and justice done with an order for money to be paid?
Well, it may mitigate things a bit, but I wouldn't go so far as to say justice has been done.
The president gave his State of the Union address.
As usual, not much comment on that.
People never seem to want to comment on the President's State of the Union address.
There must be a reason for that.
In Texas, there's been a recommendation that Darley Rauter die by lethal injection.
She is the one who allegedly stabbed her two children to death.
This is for the first charge.
She faces a pending charge for killing her six-year-old son, Devin.
In other words, both of them with a butcher knife.
Now, what I'm going to do for this half hour is open my West of the Rockies line and my first-time caller line for Los Angeles.
Let us query the people in Los Angeles and see if all is quiet.
Now, the reports I have indicate that all is quiet.
The night, though, is fairly young, and so I just thought I'd try and get a bit of feedback from the people in Los Angeles and see if it is so.
So, is it so?
Los Angeles only, please, at 1-800-618-8255, LA only, this half hour.
Also, LA only on the first time caller line at area code 702-727-1222.
702-727-1222.
Both those lines, Los Angeles callers only, please.
At the bottom of the hour, since my...
And I'm going to an undisclosed resort location in Mexico.
By the way, there are some earthquake, very unsettling earthquake predictions for the west coast of Mexico or the U.S. These coming from Jack Coles.
And I'll tell you more about those over the next few days, it figures.
Inevitably, when I take a vacation, any sort of vacation, stuff happens.
That's the way it is.
So I'm going to bring my, my mom is here visiting, and I promised, and so at the bottom of the hour, and I will bring her on the air.
You can talk to Ma Bell.
Here we go.
Let us find out what is going on in Los Angeles.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm calling from Hollywood, and ABC reported there was a car bomb.
I think so sick about it that I just could care less, to be honest with you.
I'm really glad it's over, and I hope that all this peripheral stuff that's going to be related to all of the rest of it is just going to die and be done with as soon as possible.
There was a lot of booing when he drove up in his suburban with his bodyguard.
Well, it was interesting after the verdicts were announced, and everyone kind of dispersed on the front yard of the courthouse, and the media just jumped on everybody, and it was kind of like the atmosphere was almost like we were all dismissed from graduation.
And we were citizens again, you know, and, you know, we had new hope.
The only thing that I'm really surprised is listening to all the local radio stations and including your friend Mr. KBC is the separation along racial lines again.
That's why I thought this car thing was really cool.
unidentified
Arthur C. Clark had a couple of shows on.
I don't know if you've ever heard of any of this stuff, but there's been a lot of, and I guess it's like a paranormal phenomenon where a lot of different cases where stuff just falls from the sky, like fish.
And oh, by the way, I would like to add, if you're out there in the international community, anywhere else in the world, would like to reach us, we have an international line available for you.
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All right, coming now from Long Island, New York, my mom.
So I had a fax from somebody here a little while ago and said, how could you possibly allow Arthur to go into the Air Force after you and my staff were in the Marines?
Todd, I would ask you the same question I'm asking everybody else, and that is, today's verdict, pleasant as it is to contemplate, does not really mitigate the legal verdict that much, does it?
In other words, if you're asking the question, is justice served?
I don't think this suddenly creates justice for two murders.
unidentified
That's correct, but if I may be completely truthful, Art, and this may sound hateful, but my truth is, I mean, my feeling is that I really...
Okay, well, they have an 800 number or you can just find them at Culver City.
But a year ago, September issue, the doctor, Suzanne Hennig, wrote an article about meeting Dr. Sam Chichua from Australia that became a medical doctor at 19 years old with cures for everything.
Well, have you ever noticed, sir, that there's a lot of things that you don't learn about your parents until you begin to get a little bit older and realize that they're just sort of like you are?
unidentified
Yeah.
And this is one factor right there that I didn't discover until, like I said, just a few years ago, and I had no idea that she was like that.
I used to live a caddy corner on the other side of the block from where Nicron and Ron were murdered, and I was there that night, but my mom had passed away, I don't know, a couple years before that, but I was still very depressed about it.
And I saw two vehicles leave the scene.
One was the white Bronco.
And, you know, then I followed them, and I saw them across the street.
Well, you know, everybody's different, and it may well be that that's how you would be, but no matter how awful a thing somebody who is your sister, brother, mother, father, son does, I don't think that changes the blood connection in you.
unidentified
Well, I think it goes back to blood, blood being thicker than water, as they say.
I think if you're related to somebody that closely, you can't just write them all.
So what is the funniest thing I ever did around the household?
unidentified
Well, there were lots of them.
But one thing I remember was when you were about two years old, and I put you down for your nap in the afternoon and put the hook on the door because you had a tendency to climb out of your crib and take off.
But I forgot that particular afternoon to the hook.
And all of a sudden you were missing, and my heart stopped, but I looked outside and couldn't see you.
Then I happened to look down the row of houses, and I saw a circle of people standing around looking down, and I figured that something horrible had happened to you.
But anyway, I was going to ask your mom, and asked you too, I guess, but just ask her, what her reaction was about the, she thought of the little pirate radio escapade.
Well, all mothers hope their sons will do well, but to be absolutely truthful, I did not expect this meteoric rise of his, and I think he's a little bit surprised himself.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified
Hi.
Yes, Ma Bell, I want to thank you for your son.
This is an old lady who just stays up all night listening to him, and then I sleep in the daytime.
I do the same thing.
Well, I wanted to ask, I've been just absolutely desperate to get a hold of you to tell you about a program I heard here in Wichita, the last hour of it.
And he was telling about, what he was telling about was exactly what the man that was supposed to be on your show that both of the people didn't have on there because such a reaction.
And I'd just like to know, you know, I've heard in your ads that you're saying the weather is going to get worse and we can't get much more snow up here than what we've had earlier.
And Mrs. Bell, a question I have for you since you served in the military, the Marine Corps, I believe, what thoughts have you had over the past year with all of the problems the Army has been having concerning female recruits?
And I know you served in the military in a much different time, but did you, from your personal experience, ever notice any degree of that same type of problem when you were in the service?
Well, maybe they collected the evidence from your brain.
But you remember it, so maybe they didn't get it.
unidentified
Well, perhaps, but all I know is I saw a ball of light in the middle of outside of my street, and I was in awe of this, and so it was non-threatening to me at all.
Yes, I'm probably inclined as an adult, as I was as a child, toward trouble.
It's my nature.
Anyway, it was a pleasure having my mom on the air.
It's been about a year, I think, or a little longer, somewhere in that area, just about a year.
And so it's a pleasure to have her here.
Well, all right.
Back to the phones, open lines.
Anything you all want to talk about is fair game.
Obviously, with the O.J. Simpson civil trial results, some people are going to want to talk about that, unavoidable.
There is a prediction by Jack Coles or a likelihood of an earthquake along the west coast.
Well, let me read you what I've got.
One large main signal, specific character low frequency radio spikes, was received by our instruments today, February 4th, yesterday and now, at 5.30 a.m.
We feel there is a 75% chance of a 6-plus magnitude earthquake anywhere along the west coast of California down to South America.
Specific dates for the watch, February 6th through the 13th.
So, he continues, we will continue to monitor magnetic anomalies and very low frequency radio wave signals.
Main radio signals come in 1, 4, 9, 16, and 25 days prior to events.
We live in earthquake country, so being prepared is always a good idea.
Well, what they would do is they would, you know, they would launch these things and they'd set it up so that they'd put little soldiers on them, you know, little soldiers, and they'd blow up or something like this.
It is true, asteroids' orbit around the sun cuts close to Earth's path, according to JPL.
This is JPL, and it is possible.
I think this thing is about two or three football fields in size, pretty big rock.
And should it hit, it would destroy an area the size of LA.
Now, I'm not saying it's going to hit L.A. I'm just saying that is what they're saying, that it would certainly destroy an area about the size of L.A. So I'm not surprised.
In other words, if the soul leaves the body in astral projection, then it should be possible to measure that.
It would be a very interesting experiment.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
I just thought, you know, that seemed like, you know, I'm just trying to get people before they die, I mean, which is a very hard proposition, you know, to say, okay, your person's passing, can we weigh them?
You know, it seems like something you could actually scientifically do.
It's kind of in the same realm as, you know, remote viewing.
And if I have anything, that's where it came from.
unidentified
Obviously.
Well, there's a subject I've been interested in for a very long time.
And just before I started listening to your show, I heard a story about a man that had cloned, I think it was a herd of sheep or something in Scotland.
And they were keeping This Katie clone in a sort of a, you know, an environment, sort of a static situation, and you could get a liver from the Katie clone that would save your life.
Now, whether they will or not is another question.
I frankly think that a lot of this kind of experimentation, Frankenstein style, is going on in secret because, of course, you couldn't really conduct it, couldn't get away with conducting it in public.
But you can believe it's going on in private out there.
You know it is.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Didn't get a chance to talk to Ma Bell, but I wanted to.
I was going to ask her, but I suppose you can answer this question if you had an imaginary playmate when you were a kid.
But there's a bit of a glitch, I'm sorry to say, and let me explain on the air now.
I talked earlier today with Bryce Sable of Dark Skies, and here's the deal, folks.
They offered me a, what do you call it, a lead part, not a lead part, but just under the lead.
It would be not like last time, not a cameo appearance, but a sub, what is it, a sub-lead or something like that?
There would have been very, very serious scenes involved, and there would have been two days of shooting.
In the supporting role, my mom says.
Supporting role.
There would have been two days of shooting involved.
It would have been next Tuesday and Thursday.
Now, it's bad timing because I'm going, you know, I've had a trip planned to Mexico now for, I don't know, quite a while.
And I'm going to be gone for the balance of the week back on Monday night, Tuesday morning.
So obviously, having just taken some time off, to then have to turn around and go to Los Angeles on Tuesday and Thursday for the entire days and missing more days on the air, I didn't feel was appropriate, so I'm not going to do it.
But I want to thank Bryce for the offer, and we will do it in a future episode.
So obviously, I would have missed a lot of next week, and I could have done it, but I would have been gone too much, and I'm already going to be gone enough as it is.
You may recall I had a trip planned similar to the one I'm about to go on, and that was when Mona got sick.
My wife got sick with a very serious asthma attack.
So that trip got canceled.
This one we're intent on going on, and so that is the story with Dark Sky.
So they are going to recast the part of William Paley for this episode.
I just wanted to get your opinion on bullets, on ammunition.
I think that a really solid place to start with, you know, with the, you know, I know that we have way too many weapons being produced every single day, and I know that the country is, you know, we all have the basic right as granted to us in the Constitution, the right to bear arms and protect ourselves and our loved ones.
And what my point is, is that I think that people should be able to keep guns in their houses or in their cars, you know, albeit, you know, if only to protect themselves.
But I don't believe that people should be able to walk around in public, you know, or have guns in any hidden fashion, in any way.
And I think that people who even possess guns in their own automobiles, I think they should have a special tag on their license plate or something so that people would know that this particular person is ours.
Well, I don't know how bright an idea that is because if you had a notice on your car, wouldn't people then break into your car to get your gun when you were not in the car?
The trouble with that is, thank you, that if you need a gun, you need it quickly.
And some sort of key or lock.
I can't imagine fumbling around with that in the dark when you're trying to use a gun to defend your life.
With regard to concealed weapons, putting a little advertisement on the inside of your car or a decal on your butt, whatever the case would be, sort of defeat the idea of a concealed weapon.
The idea of a concealed weapon is that it remain concealed so as to not disturb the public.
A wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Yes, all right.
Somebody called you earlier tonight.
He said something about one of the first attorneys for O.J. Simpson.
Now, I believe that because I could see a road, and there's a plateau.
It looks like there's a tunnel going into it.
And those buildings, they look like there's about, I'm just guessing I'd say about four or five miles apart in a perfect square, each building, perfectly lined up.
And yeah, and then further to the north, on the, it'd be your left side looking at it from wherever you happen to be, you can see that road going up into there.
And yeah, there's a big where the graves have their barracks.
Yes, I have a studio here in my home, a room devoted for that.
Actually, my room is three things.
It is a broadcast studio.
It is a ham radio and a computer station.
So I've got all three here.
And yes, the signal is beamed by satellite on what's called KU band from here to Oregon and then to New Jersey and then back up again and all over the place.
unidentified
I see.
I see.
Well, could you give me some clues as to how get started or some books to read on it or anything like that?
And I have a, well, I guess a solution to your clone question.
All right.
Well, if you clone someone, then it stands to reason that tomorrow they're not going to be an adult size, so they're going to have to go through the growth process going on.
So you would, unless you're, I don't know, I guess you could stick them in a closet or in a lab somewhere and not know who they are, but otherwise you're going to have this basically a child that you have to raise, someone's going to have to raise a child before you could basically harvest anything, at least to a reasonable age.
In other words, you would not take from your clone.
unidentified
No, no way.
No.
But an interesting thing is, I wonder if people who have learning disabilities or other problems growing up, maybe they had a really rotten childhood or something like that.
I wonder if they think that they could take their clone and raise their clone better than their parents did.
So basically, they're raising themselves and see if there's a better outcome.
I would think that history would tend to repeat itself and that even though you would set out to raise your clone with all the benefits that you didn't have and all the love you didn't have or whatever it is you missed in your life, you would end up repeating the same history and doing to your clone as was done to you.
The first half of the article seemed to promote Linda Howe's ideas.
And I had just read the first half of the article, and I went back the next day, and it was a hatchet job.
They centered around Linda Howe.
They did an extensive interview with her, the author did.
But he completely turned around the second half of the article and insinuated that nothing Linda says can be believed because she doesn't give her tapes and books away, which is like saying don't believe anything a doctor tells you unless it's free.
That something that actually a 1950s vintage automobile fell from the sky somewhere there near Wilmington, and that they cordoned off the whole area with many times the size of a cordon of a typical crime scene and wouldn't let anybody in.
unidentified
Now, what have you heard?
Apparently it happened near the docks because we're primarily at the harbor area.
Well, I just, I got a facts which came through my publisher from a fellow in Oregon who knows the people down there, I guess, who saw it or somehow were involved with it.
This is something I'm going to have to follow up on when I get back.
But you're telling me the word is out there and circulating down in the Wilmington area.
unidentified
Right.
We're about 25 miles south of downtown L.A., and I've lived here my whole life, and we've always had UFO activity.
Well, once again, here I am, and we're going to scoot back to our caller with reference to this car that appears to have fallen from the sky, or at least that is the story.
Somebody just wrote me a fact and said, the 50s vintage automobile that fell on Wilmington just has to be an Oldsmobile Rocket 88.
I don't know about that, but it is.
What are people saying?
I mean, do they identify the kind of car at all?
unidentified
These things are just a 50s car.
Everyone has a different story.
Obviously, you know, when people tell one person it turns into another car, I've heard primarily a Chevy.
Yeah, there's a circle of fire, which goes up the west coast of the U.S. to the Orient, down near the Philippine Islands, and then back around to South America and on up again.
And this is where earthquakes occur.
unidentified
Okay, there you go.
And two more things.
The MCI girl, which you love, I think she is the star in the movie Uncle Buck.
And second, and finally, Leanne Rhymes is just one of the greatest country stars ever.
If you get a chance, go see her and possibly meet her because she is a very personal girl.
Yes, anybody can sue anybody for anything, and you can then cause the other person to have to defend themselves.
I happen to agree with a guest I had on the other day who thinks that losers should pay, and I think that would prevent a lot of frivolous suits of that sort.
If the loser had to pay, you know, court cost, the other guy's cost to defend himself, the whole thing.
You'll know why, now that you've heard where I'm from.
You said recently, I happened to have missed the shows until the time you had a guest on, I think, a few days ago who's predicting something happening on the West Coast soon.
Yes, there have been people who have achieved flights of up to five minutes in states of vacuum even longer than that, because it is the air friction that slows it.
I know, and it's causing me a lot of problems with my friends because I'm not saying the sky's falling to them, but I'm saying, hey, keep your eyes open.
Maybe we're a sort of a refuge of, you know, an oasis, so to speak, in the desert of radio from all of that, but I imagine that's what everybody's talking about.
This mitigates things a little bit, but it doesn't really, in my opinion, I don't jump up and down and say, see, justice, this is not justice for the death of two people.
If that's what it is, no matter how you feel, whether you think he's guilty or innocent or whatever.
If this, you know, it's being touted by the other side as some sort of justice, and I wouldn't go that far.
It mitigates a terrible injustice just a little bit, but it doesn't suddenly supply justice.
I tended toward things that were sort of dangerous.
unidentified
Yeah.
But earth-wise, I mean, you know, I mean, light or the skies or, you know, something like, because your wife is very nature-blind, and yourself, you're out there in the desert and you like the dark skies.
I think fascination with things of this kind began at an early age, yes.
unidentified
Okay.
I'll make sure I'll keep up the good work with my little boy then.
I was wondering, is it all possible with the shuttles, the Apollos and the marinas, everything that are in the sky, is there any way you can find out more about what each and every one represents or what effect they can have with our weather undergoing these major weather changes, if they have any effect, if this is sort of like a shuttle?
Well, I don't know, because everything else is under DIA.
unidentified
A lot of stuff going on out there, huh?
Yeah.
The station that you're carried on KHOW, last week had several callers call in and ask Tom Martino, he's a troubleshooter, and asked him to investigate that.
That is a very, very good question, and I don't have the answer, but the next time I have Joyce Riley on, I will ask.
unidentified
Yeah, I was just wondering, because, you know, if they didn't bring the equipment back, then there was a reason for that, because it was contaminated, and if it is contaminated, then these fellas would have caught too.
No, I haven't because that applies to people that work at radio stations, and I don't work at one.
So what was the substance?
unidentified
Maybe one of your board ops or something will send you one.
Be kind enough to send you one.
The wording that he read directly from it on the new one that took effect January the 1st said part of it, and I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember exactly, but it said situations in which the emergency broadcast system might be activated included but were not limited to imminent nuclear attack, asteroid strikes, or widespread terrorism.
And I still can't help but wonder how the people at NBC, it is NBC that's running that, feel about the headlines about the asteroid, the near-Earth asteroid that they're still not sure about.
They must just be jumping up and down in not-so-silent joy over the news.
Because imagine what it's going to do for that movie.
Oh, we're out here in the middle of the Sirius desert.
Or as it was put on Strange Universe, my neighbors are lizards and, I forget what else, coyotes.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Erd.
This is Dawn in Campbell, California.
And I would just like to say to a lady that called about an hour ago or so about the Constitution giving us a certain right.
In her case, it was the right to keep and bear arms.
Yes.
Actually, the Constitution doesn't give you that right.
That right exists before the Constitution.
And if you read the amendments carefully in the Bill of Rights, they don't give you rights.
They recognize the rights that are preexistent.
But I was thinking that you probably went to the William Jefferson Clinton School of Constitutional Law.
And that's where she got an idea like that.
But you know, the other thing is I wonder what as far as concealed firearms go, and you made this point last night that, you know, in states where this has been tried, and over two dozen states now it has been tried, crime rates have gone down and gone down more than they have on a national basis.
He said, the way to know that it is a success is that you're not hearing anything.
Because if it was a failure and if the gun Control nuts could point to failures and bodies in the streets and that sort of thing.
You'd be hearing about it all over the place, and you're not.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
And back in Florida, when they first started the whole idea back in 1987, I think it was about 10 years ago, there were a lot of predictions in the state legislature that this was going to result in massive bloodshed and everything else.
And it was going to be like a Dodge City situation.
I've talked to the Florida Secretary of State myself, and I can tell you that there is no big crime problem over there.
And you can read the studies, and you've made the point before.
I wanted to make sort of a statement and a comment about Kit's games.
Sure.
I guess, or the question, I said, a question or a comment.
The question is, if he's basically saying the world is going to end in one year, why does he need to make so much money, thousands of dollars on his classes?
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unidentified
Hello.
Yes.
Yes, I guess my comment is this.
I believe that Ed James is absolutely correct when he states that we have a major environmental crisis today.
So do I. My God, we have 12,000 cheetahs left in the wild.
We have the rhino on the verge of extinction.
They say that it used to be once PC 3,500 years ago, and I think now it's about 500 a year, most of them in the rainforest.
My fear is that man is carrying off of something that when one year comes and goes, a lot of people are going to say, oh, well, we're going to tie into the environmental movement.
It's a fairly infrequent thing for me too, although more frequent in the last year or two.
You know, I work a fairly serious work week, six days, and there is a fair amount of stress involved in doing what I do.
And so occasionally, you've got to kind of let go and unstress.
I sort of live my work in the sense that don't let anybody fool you while working at home is a wonderful thing to do.
There is a downside to it, and the downside is that you're never away from work.
And my telephone rings, well, you wouldn't want to know how frequently my phone rings.
And between doing the show, preparing for the show, talking to all the various people that I talk to because of newspaper articles and interviews, and you name it, the workload is pretty much all waking hours.
And so to get away from that literally requires being out of touch.
If I'm not out of touch, you know, if I can get to a telephone, besides I'm weak, I always answer phones.
I always read faxes.
I always read email.
You get the picture.
That goes on all waking hours.
So occasionally, you've got to break away and just plain, absolutely get out of touch.
I wonder if someone around the Portland area Would call in with an answer for me.
I understand there they're paying bounty for squafish, and here in western Colorado, we just spent $1 million last summer to build a fish ladder for squafish.
Well, a few years ago, what was going on was the squawfish was eating all the salmon and steelhead eggs.
And we have plenty of salmon up here in Steelhead, which is plentiful, and they were eating and destroying all the habitats.
So they were actually a predator fish, and that's why they were given at least, I think a couple summer ago, they were given about five bucks for a fish, for a squawfish.
Short, though it's going to be, I'm hoping it will be a good one indeed.
You know, you could seems like instead of killing them, since they're rare and apparently wanted in Colorado, why not catch them in Portland and send them to Colorado?
You know, that would work because people catch them in Portland and turn them in for the money, I guess.
In 1959 in 60, I was restricted to the island of Guam by the Navy.
I drove a crash truck there.
In mid-afternoon one day, I was setting on the flight line, and I had a CB on the truck, and I caught a radio station, probably the strongest at that time, from Del Rio, Texas.
I don't recall the call letters.
They always come on at nighttime when I was in the States.
And it came over just as clear as an Art Bell, you know, at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
And I wanted to suggest that when you go to Mexico, if you take a pair of binoculars with all of the sightings down there, you may find something interesting to look at.
That would be a bit of a burden, you know, but binoculars, yes.
unidentified
Well, one of the things I wanted to mention quickly is that when you say goodnight, you have a lot of interesting listeners, and I've been told from good authority that you have many listeners from the Federation of the Galactic Federation.
And if you were to say something in recognition of them.
Well, you may have many interesting listeners that someday they may give you a gesture of appreciation of your show.
And the last thing I wanted to touch on, truth or trash, you may find my story someday interesting if I get on the program to tell it because I'm the gold miner from Area 51.