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Feb. 4, 1997 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across all these many time zones stretching from way out in the exotic Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains, eastward to the Caribbean, south toward South America, north to the Pole, worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, and I am Art Bell.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Great to be here.
		I would like to welcome to the network, WFIW, in Fairfield, Illinois.
		Great to have you along, 1390 on the dial there.
		And I believe it's KCRC in Enid, Oklahoma.
		KCRC in Enid, Oklahoma.
unidentified		Welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Also 1390 on the dial.
unidentified		Now there's the coincidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both of you, welcome to the network.
		Glad to have you along.
		You will find this program to be different for the most part.
		And it's going to be a rather unusual, different sort of show this morning, too.
		I had the distinct pleasure last night at the end of the program, something most of you would have missed, to interview Steve Forbes.
		That was a 30-minute interview, and I'm going to repeat that at the bottom of the hour.
		So what's going on tonight?
		Well, let's see.
		16 months after O.J. Simpson was cleared of murder charges, a civil trial jury unanimously blamed him Tuesday for the brutal killings of his ex-wife and friend.
		The panel ordered the former football star to pay $8 million, $8.5 million, that is, in compensatory damages.
		Simpson could be slapped with yet millions more in punitive damages in the next phase of the trial set to begin on Thursday.
		Cheers erupted in the courtroom, the consternation of the judge.
		Simpson left the courthouse to a chorus of booze and cheers, kind of a combination.
		Daniel Petrcelli, the lead attorney for the victims' families, said he is grateful for the jury's verdict, called it vindication for Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.
		Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, said the families finally have justice.
		Now, I don't know.
unidentified		Do they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do they have justice?
		Is there justice in a monetary award where there may not be assets to be forfeited?
		Nobody knows how much money O.J. has, and one would imagine a lot of it resides offshore someplace or another.
		And if not, then you have to wonder how much money he's got to be tapped anyway.
		The punitive portion is probably going to be very heavy from a money point of view, probably more than the $8.5 million.
		It was a unanimous verdict.
		Judges in California are loath to turn over a very popular verdict, so I don't, you know, there's going to be an appeal, of course, but I doubt that appeal is going to be successful.
		But the good question is whether this now represents justice done.
		I'm not sure.
		I'm really not sure.
		Money where there is none to be turned over for two lives that are lost.
		I'm not sure that's justice.
		You tell me.
		At any rate, I'm going to pack a lot here in the first half hour commercially because I've got to clear the second half for you.
		I'm going to have my mom on the air, probably about an hour and a half from now, something along those lines.
		A little reaction on the Simpson matter.
		Art, the criminal trial was a travesty.
		The judge, weak, unable to keep the trial focused on relevant issues, the lead defense attorney took control of the courtroom and with sociopathic indifference, infected it and the country with a race issue that not only had nothing to do with any aspect of the case, but like a plague, ravaged the nation.
		If you couple the above with a jury trial that in the kindest terms was horrible, you had the inevitable tragic result, not guilty, by reason of jury nullification.
		Now at last, the case was tried fairly and appropriately.
		The jury actually deliberated and in the face of overwhelming evidence came to a unanimous decision, libel, guilty of a brutal double murder.
		But civilly, of course, not in a criminal sense.
		Or this, all right, slow news day, huh?
		Compensatory damages to the Goldman family, $8.5 million.
		Punitive damages begin the war of the accountants.
		How much can OJ afford?
		The jury determines the punitive damages to be awarded, notwithstanding the statute they can't bankrupt Mr. Simpson.
		An appeal of a prejudiced jury to the appellate court requires OJ to file bankruptcy or to collateralize 150% of the compensatory and punitive awards.
		Does OJ have these kinds of assets?
		Bryn Marie and San Francisco WellArt been following the Simpson mess for the whole two and a half years, and this is by far the most twisted confluence of events that I've seen thus far.
		I've stopped saying it can't get any weirder.
		So I think the chief question, and I've thought about this, is whether there really now is justice.
		And I guess there is a mitigation of the injustice, but I certainly would not say there is Justice.
		President Clinton had his State of the Union address mainly concentrating in areas of education and called for a stable partnership with Russia.
		And I don't know how you have a stable partnership with an unstable nation, but he's called for that.
		A jury in Kernville, Texas has recommended Darley Rottir die by lethal injection, the stabbing death of her five-year-old, pending charges also for killing her six-year-old son.
		The boys, two, were stabbed to death with a butcher knife while they were asleep in their home near Dallas, a butcher knife.
		That's definitely in the quickening category.
		I have no idea how to digest news of that sort.
		A mother comes in and stabs to death her two infants with a butcher knife.
		That just doesn't seem possible, but I'm afraid today we know it is.
		High art tonight around 1830, for the non-military, that would be 6.30 Pacific, a large explosion or some type of sonic boom was heard up and down the Pacific coast.
		Literally shook our building.
		Talking to various hands up and down the Puget Sound area within a radius of 150 miles, they all felt it.
		The scanner went crazy.
		I have no idea what it was.
		The news media do not have any answers, Como King Cairo.
		The FAA has no idea.
		And I'd be curious to know who else heard it.
		Jack Coles, who predicts earthquakes, says there has been one large main signal, specific character low frequency radio spikes, received by instruments today, February 4th, at 5.30 a.m.
		And based on that, Jack Coles says we feel there is a 75% chance of a six-plus magnitude earthquake anywhere along the west coast of California down to South America.
		Specific dates for the watch, February 6th through the 13th.
		It figures.
		I'm going to be going on a sort of mini vacation after this night for a few days.
		And I'll be along the west coast and west coast of Mexico.
		So it figures.
		There is one absolutely irrefutable, unchallenged fact, and that is, when I have gone on vacations in the past, be they short or long, something incredible always occurs.
		And I could take you back to Waco, and I could document events since then that have occurred on a regular basis every time I take as much as two days off.
		Now, I trust this morning that Los Angeles is quiet, and the reports I've got so far indicate it is so.
		There could be some concern, but I understand crowds that were there dispersed quietly.
		And it looks as though it may be okay.
		Hope so.
		Many of you have no idea that our Senate, yes, the U.S. Senate, has now, second time around, a bill to create a new money.
		Now, why do they want a new money?
	Well, they talk about counterfeiting and that sort of thing.
	But there are going to be two forms.
	Why do they need that to defeat counterfeiting?
	One inside the U.S. and one outside the U.S. That will change them as you come and go.
	A lot of people, I'm one of them, think this will be an eventual devaluation of the U.S. dollar.
	That's what they could do.
	Doesn't mean they're going to, but they could.
	Now, I can't fathom any other reason for two forms of currency.
	Can you?
	A lot of people think this is bull, a bull bill.
	That the bill is bull.
	It is not, and we would be glad to prove it to you by sending you a free copy of the bill.
	All you've got to do is ask.
	The number is 1-800-877-9799.
	1-800-877-9799.
	And our very own vice president, Al Gore, said, telecommunications is by all odds the most important, lucrative marketplace of the 21st century.
unidentified		Oh, is he right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm talking about Microtech, the company, and their product, SMR, specialized mobile radio.
		It is a great investment opportunity, like cellular, but cheaper, greater distance, more commercial application, already in New York, L.A., Houston, Boston, Detroit, across America.
		But listen, here comes the final site license to investors.
unidentified		Yes, yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a little bit of risk.
		That's why it's called an investment not a guarantee.
		But they invite you to find out for yourself how a minimum $8,700 invested now could return to you $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 or more plus a yearly income for the rest of your life.
		Write down this number, 1-800-444-1049.
		And we'll ask you a couple of investor qualification questions and send you all the information you need, a video, a prospectus, And you can sit there and make a decision about whether this is right for you.
		The number?
		1-800-444-1049.
		All right, a few calls between now and the bottom of the hour.
		Anything you want to talk about?
		This will be my last night for, I don't know, three nights or so.
		And so anything you want to talk about, comment on the O.J. Simpson case.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, you're welcome to make that.
		Comment on the case in Texas, a headshaker.
		You're welcome to make that.
		Any comments on the President's State of the Union address?
		You're welcome to make those.
		In other words, anything at all.
		Oh, I did run into one very weird thing that I'm going to follow up when I get back from this little mini vacation.
		And I talked to the man earlier tonight up in Oregon who had contacted my publisher with a very weird story.
		And I can't tell you a whole lot of it right now, but apparently in Wilmington, California, the other day, there were UFO sightings, followed by, get this, a 1950s vintage automobile that fell out of the sky.
		Now, the story I got from the man I talked to earlier tonight was that they cordoned the whole area off, and nobody knows much about it.
		Now, if you're in Wilmington, I would love to hear from you.
		But I am going to line up somebody who knows something about this.
		Can you imagine that?
		The 1950s, it was not specified what kind of vehicle it was, fell right out of the sky.
		Now, what are the odds of that?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		How are you?
		It's Paul from Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Paul.
unidentified		Yeah, listen, I just wanted to make the comments.
		I'm a white person.
		I didn't think OJ did it.
		I still don't think he did it.
		This doesn't change my opinion.
		Of course, I'll review the transcript of this trial.
		But everybody has to keep in mind that the evidence is different.
		And that's just my opinion.
		I just wanted to know people to know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the burden of evidence is different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct, yes.
unidentified		And so I just wanted to make that comment to the country.
		And I heard the President's speech.
		I thought it was a pretty good speech for a president.
		And it's good to hear you.
		I hope you have a nice vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you very much from Philly.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Eric.
		This is Ed at Cheney and the FND checking in.
		Hello, Ed.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Well, I hope you're going to have a good vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
unidentified		So, have you seen Mars Attacks yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have I seen what?
unidentified		Have you seen Mars Attacks yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you're saying.
unidentified		Have you seen the movie Mars Attacks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Mars Attacks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not yet.
unidentified		Well, I hope you get a chance to see it on your vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I will.
unidentified		Everything's going fine down here.
		We haven't had many problems with the verdict.
		In fact, most people down in San Diego are saying, thank God it's over, and I just want to go on with my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been going on with mine anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
unidentified		Yep, they do.
		They do.
		But that's what our news reporters have gathered down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		That's what I'm gathering as well, and I'm glad to hear it.
		Thank you very much.
		So Los Angeles, apparently quiet.
		We'll get a better reading on that at midnight as we talk to L.A. East of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Carlson, Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Great.
		I wish you a good vacation.
		I had a quick comment on the O.J. Simpson case, and this is something I'm pretty sure you've never heard before because I have been listening this whole time for someone else to say it, but I've not heard it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Do you remember when he was first arreigned, he had a lawyer, and you're going to have to help me with this.
		I can't remember the man's name, but he had a lawyer who was not later included in the case.
		In fact, he was dropped within a day or two after Simpson's arrest?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was one attorney retired, I think, that held a bag for OJ.
unidentified		Would that be who you're talking about?
unidentified		No, I wish I could tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and then there was another attorney who had a heart attack or heart problems and dropped out of the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was during the first few days of the trial.
unidentified		No, this was the very first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who you're talking about.
unidentified		Okay, I can't remember his name.
		I'm sure another listener will.
		But my comment is this.
		The day after he was arraigned, I saw this live on CNN.
		And the man came out of the courthouse doors and was on the steps, and he was being interviewed.
		And he said that Simpson, they hadn't made up his mind yet, but Simpson would either plead not guilty or insanity.
		Yes.
		Now, why would a man who was innocent even be contemplating pleading insanity?
		That's a virtual guilty plea.
		I've never heard anyone else point this out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's not guilty by reason of insanity.
unidentified		Right, but it's an admission of the fact that he did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just thought that was strange, and I wanted to comment on that, and maybe some of your other viewers comment, or listeners, comment on it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Yes, that's right.
		I have listeners.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Whoops, would have been.
		First time call online, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, my name is Mike from Tacoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		My comment is about the President of our United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And in his address, I can't believe he said it, but he wants all the eight-year-olds to be on the Internet.
		Oh, yes.
		If this guy's going to have eight-year-olds on the Internet, he better get his business together and get some of the stuff that's on there off.
		Well, far too easy to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but one presumes or would hope that parents or teachers Would guide the children with regard to where they go on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, parental control here, folks.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, you know, we've been here at our school and we've gone to them and talked to them, and they have said that there's no control over that stuff, and what they're going to do is they're going to trust the children because the children have responsibility inbred in them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please.
unidentified		Oh, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When we come back, repeat of a late yesterday morning interview with Steve Forbes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quick update.
		Art just heard on Como TV that the sonic boom was an SR-71 Blackbird coming into the Pacific Northwest and landing at Oak Harbor Naval Air Station.
		That's from a listener, quoting K-O-M-O.
unidentified		Now, take a listen to this, coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating interview.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now comes Steve Forbes.
		He is editor-in-chief of Forbes, the nation's leading business magazine.
		He, of course, was a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination in 1996.
		He is now honorary chairman of Americans for Hope, Growth, and Opportunity.
		I've heard that somewhere before.
		A new national issues advocacy organization promoting issues like the flat tax, a new social security system for younger Americans, and medical savings accounts.
		And we're going to get to all of that.
		Steve Forbes, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
		I am very well, sir.
		It's an honor to have you here.
unidentified		It's a great pleasure to be with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I'm a moderately successful talk show host, and I have started to make a little bit of money.
		And this question will serve, I think, for many in the audience.
		I've watched the market over the last year, and it has been amazing, absolutely amazing.
		And I have a financial advisor.
		My financial advisor comes to my home and tries to convince me why I should put money into the market.
		He says, oh, look, no matter what happens in the long run, the market is going to make you money no matter what.
		And I say, but I think there's this big correction coming.
		I think it's oversold.
		And we argue back and forth.
		What do you think, Mr. Forbes?
unidentified		Well, the market certainly has reached extraordinary heights in the last two years.
		There's never been anything like it in the last 50 years.
		And so your caution is understandable.
		Your advisor is right that if you are around for enough years, even if you get a correction, you're going to do fine.
		The problem with market timing is not just getting out of the market.
		The problem is when you get back in.
		So you might be cautious about going into it, keep some of your powder dry, but recognize that there are going to be roller coasters.
		I remember from the mid-60s through the late 70s, this market went nowhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		What I'm afraid of is, though, I mean, if there's a better time to get in, it's after the correction, not just before it.
		That's the argument I keep making, Dewey.
unidentified		That's right.
		And of course, the art of the action is when is the correction and when is the correction over?
		One of the great traps is what they call a bear market trap.
		You know, the market takes a dip, you think, oh, that's it, you get in, and then it takes an even bigger dip.
		So I think the key is just put a little bit in each month, keep some of the powder dry, and then if it goes up, terrific.
		You never lose money with a profit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sound just like my advisor.
		There is a big move in Washington now, a Republican move primarily for a balanced budget, constitutional amendment actually for a balanced budget.
		The president promises to fight this with every fiber of his being.
		And I wonder if you think it really does have a chance this time around, or is it just going to be another big fight?
unidentified		I think it's going to be, at the end of the day, a frustrating fight.
		I don't think it's going to make it this time.
		But I do hope that the advocates of the balanced budget amendment put with it something that I think would help attract support, certainly from the American public, and that is couple it with something they proposed last year, and that is a tax limitation amendment.
		That if you have this balanced budget amendment, you want to be sure that the Washington politicians don't use it as an excuse to raise your taxes.
		So have a provision in there that you need three-fifths or two-thirds of a vote of Congress to raise your taxes.
		That way, if they have the balanced budget amendment, they're going to look at the spending side rather than trying to take more money out of your pocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where would the Social Security business come into play here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, presently we're using those funds in effect to mask the size of the deficit, aren't we?
unidentified		You bet.
		Well, this is where they have to be very careful on how they do what they call the enabling legislation.
		That is translating an amendment into real law.
		Because as you know, Washington, the way it keeps its books, is a way that no private corporation would be allowed to do.
		They take those Social Security monies, and if they have a surplus, which with the baby boomer generation you have it for a few years, and they immediately go out and spend it and give the trust funds these IOUs with interest rates that are below market, the subsidy of the debt.
		That's why the national debt always goes up more than the budget deficit by a factor of almost two to one.
		It's because that money is borrowed.
		That is not real revenue.
		So they count it as revenues and then they count it as borrowings.
		It's a wacky way to do it.
		Do you give the president?
		Very misleading way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you give the president any credit for reducing the size of the yearly deficit?
unidentified		No, I think a couple of things have happened.
		One is in the early years of his presidency, you had the wind down of the SNL bailout.
		The sale of assets started to come in, so that helped.
		And then the Republicans capturing Congress in 94 changed the whole game.
		He stopped talking about big spending programs and started to pretend that he was a balanced budget man himself.
		And if you notice, Art, since 1994, that's when the huge rise in the market began.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely true.
unidentified		And so you couple, as a matter of fact, if Clinton had not increased taxes in 93, not to mention what the Republicans did in 1990, this economy would be much larger today and the deficit would be much smaller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The president will give his State of the Union address tonight.
		I am told that one of the things he will propose is a $98 billion tax cut for American families.
		And the Republicans initially seemed to say, hey, right on.
		But now they're sort of beginning to hedge a little bit on it.
		How do you react to such a proposal?
unidentified		Well, you always have to read the fine print with this president.
		And there are a lot of small tax increases, apparently, that they're going to propose, tens of billions of dollars worth.
		And also, too, we do need a cut in the capital gains tax if we're to have this economy continue to grow and create new jobs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, in that category, he is apparently going to propose up to a $500,000, one-time capital gains tax cut for the business.
unidentified		But that's typical of Washington.
		They take your money, and then they dole it out to you, some of it, in little dribs and drabs here and there.
		They play like giving you an allowance or Santa Claus.
		But remember, those so-called targeted tax cuts, that is from your money.
		They take a dollar from you, give you back 50 cents in various credits, and you're supposed to be happy with that.
		So we do need a genuine tax cut, but they love telling you where you can spend your money, how much of it you can take out.
		Give it back to us.
		We'll handle it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This president is a true expert at that, isn't he?
unidentified		He really is.
		He is very good at small things.
		I wouldn't be surprised if tonight he proposed a law that bans doctor offices, doctor's offices from having old magazines.
		He's very good at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, everybody will stand up and clap.
		The Consumer Price Index.
		Now, there's talk of a bipartisan blue-ribbon panel to get together and consider if the Consumer Price Index is wrong and if there needs to be an adjustment, something that over, what, a decade could produce a trillion dollars for the government.
		Is this just some big rip-off or is it genuine?
		Should there really be an adjustment to the CPI?
unidentified		Well, you have many fine scholars and experts say that there are flaws in the way they calculate it now.
		But I think that on Social Security, we should keep our eye on the really big issue.
		Instead of going for a one-time fix, which we've done for the last 30 years, which always leads to higher taxes and fewer benefits, why not go for the real ultimate answer?
		And that is keep the current system for those who are on it.
		You don't want to scare people who are on the system or you'll never get real reform for younger people.
		But while we still have time, start a new system, phase in a new system for younger people where part, the bulk of their payroll tax, instead of going to Washington, would go directly to their own special individual retirement account.
		They couldn't touch it until a certain age, but it would belong to them.
		They'd get quarterly or monthly statements.
		And that way, even if they just put it in bank savings accounts, they will be infinitely better off when they retire than they're going to be under the current Social Security system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we've got a very big, expensive government to run, and without that money for them to steal, excuse me, borrow, they're going to have to be some mighty big adjustments back there.
unidentified		No, as a matter of fact, if you look at the real financial situation in Washington, you look at the Social Security system, and they have a real unfunded liability of about $8 to $10 trillion.
		The debt is there.
		The obligation is there.
		Washington for years has pretended that it wasn't there.
		So you can make a transition, combining the current surpluses we're going to get from the baby boom generation, the surpluses they've run up in the last 8 or 10 years, turn those IOUs, phase them in into real assets that you can sell.
		And then if you need to borrow money, it's going to be infinitely less during this transition than that $8 or $10 trillion.
		And then you pay the bonds off when you have the new system.
		There are a number of proposals that have variations of that.
		It's eminently workable, but the real objection in Washington is they fear a loss of power.
		They want to control it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Wards, I've been watching the national debt, and I watch that clock like a hawk.
		And I know that in some number of years ahead, the interest on the national debt is going to literally consume every dime we might have otherwise spent for somebody's socialist program.
		When will that crunch point probably be?
		I know they can play games with smoke and mirrors and all the rest of it and avoid it for a while, but at some point it's going to catch up with this.
		How far away is that point?
unidentified		Well, it's probably several years away.
		Right now, if we stopped increasing the national debt, we could cope with what we have today.
		But you're right, the trend is the real frightening thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		And fortunately, I think we're now at last, despite this president, starting to do something about it.
		This Republican Congress that everyone criticized actually did some good in the spending side.
		New agricultural program, the welfare reform bill, it made some little bit of progress.
		So the turnaround has started, but what we genuinely need is real reform, first on the tax side.
		We have a horror system today.
		As you know, last Friday the IRS announced that that $4 billion they spent for modern computer system is now wasted, gone, doesn't work.
		And they say, well, we'll have to start over again.
		Why not start over again with the tax code?
		Junk it, make it simple.
		Compliance alone with a simple tax, say a flat tax where you can fill it out on a postcard, would generate enormous new revenues.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would it really work?
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		In the real world, it does.
		When you lower the tax burden on people, people are able to do more and the economy prospers, and the government ends up with more revenues.
		In Washington, what they fear is not a loss of revenue, despite what they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lost power.
unidentified		What they really fear is the loss of power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ability to manipulate socially or whatever with the tax code.
unidentified		As somebody said, tax credits and tax loopholes are to a politician what cocktails are to an alcoholic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any practical way to force them to do what they should do but probably won't?
unidentified		I think ultimately it's going to have to be public opinion.
		If you change that tax code, make it simple.
		We have now 7.5 million words in the tax code, 10 times the size of the Bible.
		If you make those kind of changes and take their power away, you change the whole dynamic, and then we can start to make some real reforms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The 105th Congress is probably going to be fighting about the Constitutional Amendment and a lot of other things that, as you suggest, will probably end up being frustrating and going nowhere.
		What should the 105th Congress be doing now?
unidentified		They should be doing several things.
		One is set the foundation for genuine tax reform.
		Try to get, as a beginning, a genuine cut in things like the capital gains tax, but make it clear that they're setting the foundation that if the voters want, the foundation will be there to junk this complex, corrupting tax code and replace it with something that people can actually understand, including the tax collectors.
		Genuine Social Security reform, genuine Medicare reform, such as medical savings accounts, which if done right would give people more control, better coverage at less cost.
		We've tried a variation of that at Forbes magazine for five years, and our costs per person are less today than they were five years ago.
		Not one of our people is on managed care.
		3,000 other employers have tried it.
		The United Mine Workers have tried it.
		It works.
		Consumerism works.
		Give people control, and they will do a better job than the bureaucracies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just went through a presidential campaign in which, because of your fortunate situation, you were able to generally fund as you needed to, I guess.
		But the other two major parties both are now under investigation, the Democrats perhaps to a greater degree, and the Republicans to a lesser degree, I think.
		Fred Thompson's getting all set up to investigate everything.
		The question is, campaign finance, of course, and I'm sure you must have some views on this.
		We're going to go through literal hell politically this year on this subject.
		What would you do?
unidentified		I think the key is to recognize that the so-called reforms they put in 20 years ago, again, trying to micromanage everything, is one reason why we have the mess today.
		I believe that they should raise significantly the caps on individual contributions as long as there's prompt and full disclosure.
		If you make a major contribution to a candidate, it's public knowledge within 48 hours.
		There's no reason why that can't be done.
		And let the voters decide if the candidate has sold the soul to an individual or to a special interest group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're on the side then of campaign donations really being a First Amendment issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, money for supporting a candidate who has a particular point of view that you share is a First Amendment right.
unidentified		It's giving people the means to get their message out.
		The key is, though, full disclosure.
		Right now, with the system they have, you have massive amounts, even if they obey the law, of hypocrisy.
		They have these so-called independent committees.
		Right now, they can make expenditures, raise money, and that's not publicly disclosed.
		So I believe in full public disclosure.
		If you set up a committee, everyone should see where you're getting the money from, where the money is going.
		I mean, the unions poured millions in some of these congressional and senate races, and we still don't know where that money came from.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it's going to be an interesting year, and there are a lot of investigations, not just campaign finance, but, of course, all the gates, and I'm not even going to bother going through them.
		I'm just going to ask you whether, in your view, any of these investigations ultimately will really go anywhere, or will the people with the power protect themselves?
unidentified		Well, they're certainly going to try to protect themselves.
		You see it with this White House, where Clinton can show himself to be a great master, great wonk, and great detail.
		Suddenly, they have these huge memory lapses on certain things.
		You're going to see a lot of that, but I think there will be, I think some of this is going to hurt.
		It is going to stick.
		And that may, funny enough, that the opposition and pro-growth Democrats play their cards right, might force the president to do some reforms that he might not do otherwise in the tax area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so in other words, somebody may actually have to pay for mistakes that were made.
unidentified		Revolutionary, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, revolutionary.
		The President will also, I'm told, propose tonight college tuition tax credits of $1,500, $10,000 tax deduction, that sort of thing.
		He's going to concentrate a lot on the area of education.
		Do you applaud that or think that it's a ruse?
unidentified		Well, unfortunately, again, it gets back to this idea they take your money and then they find a way to pretend to give it back to you, and you applaud that they're being so nice and considerate of some of the expenses you face in trying to raise a family, get your kids educated.
		I think the key thing is on that kind of tax credit, why not first let people keep more of what they earn, and then they do have programs now where you can get grants, you can get loans, if those need beefing up to help some people, fine, do that.
		But trying to use the tax code, they'll do it in ways where a lot of people won't get what they've been promised.
		It'll increase the power of the bureaucracy, and we're not going to end up getting as much as we think we're going to get.
		It's the typical Washington game.
		Make it sound nice, make it sound like they're doing something in an area that people really feel there's a need in, but it's always less than meets the eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Ms. Forbes, that was your message.
		How do we get that message, empowerment, by actually returning the money to the people or letting them keep it, better said?
		How do we get that message to resonate with the American people and then translate it into votes for somebody like yourself who would actually get it done?
unidentified		I think the key is persistence, doing what you're doing.
		This new organization that you mentioned that I'm starting to promote issues like the flat tax and the new system for younger people, parental control of the schools.
		There are a number of organizations out there working on some of these issues, and we just have to keep hammering away.
		One of the things I discovered in the campaign was that people were genuinely interested in major reforms.
		Even if they didn't agree with what you proposed, they wanted a real discussion on it, a chance to ask real questions on it.
		People do go beyond sound bites if they think there's something worth talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But those are the people that are engaged.
		And what I haven't figured out is how to engage those who just frankly don't care or who have given up.
		There's got to be some way to engage those people.
		If you could do that, then you'd really be on the way.
unidentified		I think persistence is the key.
		You keep hammering away on the message.
		And then people, more and more people say, hey, let's make this happen.
		If you look at the history of some of the great changes we've had in our country in the past, starting with our own independence, you recognize that it took years of work, grassroots work, to get the message out there.
		And then it begins to take hold.
		But the key is not to give up on it.
		The key is to be persistent, find ways to persuade people, try to find new ways to engage people.
		And eventually, if it's right, it will come to pass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Horabs, you mentioned persistence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When the next opportunity comes to run for president, do you intend to be persistent?
unidentified		Well, one way or the other, it's much too early to tell even who the players are going to be, but one way or the other, I will remain engaged.
		And one of the things I hope that this new organization I'm starting will achieve, help achieve working with others, is that regardless of who emerges, we're going to help set an agenda that they will respond to, have to respond to because of public support.
		So we will get some of these reforms.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a final question, looking at the market this year, you gave me some generally good advice.
		It sounded like my financial advisor.
		But what do you believe will occur to the market this year?
unidentified		I don't think much is going to.
		I don't think the market is going to be much higher at the end of the year than it was at the beginning of the year.
		There are going to be some ups and downs.
		The key to keep your eye on is what this Congress does.
		If they do something good on the tax front, if they keep the administration from going crazy on new regulations, then I think we have some hope.
		But if they give up on a real tax bill, if they don't, if they retreat as they started to do last year on some of these regulations, then this economy is going to really slow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll cross my fingers, and I'm sure you will, Mr. Forbes.
		It has been a distinct pleasure and honor to have you on the program.
		Short as it has been, let us do it again sometime.
unidentified		I look forward to it, Art.
		Thank you so much.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you have it.
		That was my interview with Steve Forbes late yesterday morning, and I know a lot of you didn't get an opportunity to hear it, so I thought I would squeeze it in for you.
		Well, obviously at the top of the hour, we will delve quickly into the Los Angeles area and find out what's going on down there.
		I hear it's quiet.
		We will confirm that and then move on to other business.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is top of the morning.
		You know about OJ by now.
		Actually, 16 months after O.J. Simpson was cleared of murder charges, legally, a civil trial jury unanimously blamed him Tuesday for the brutal killings of his ex-wife and her friend.
		They ordered him to pay $8.5 million in compensatory damages.
		The rest of the damages are yet to be determined.
		Jury will reconvene on Thursday, and there will be, no doubt, billions more.
		The only question worth asking, was or has justice now been done?
		And I don't think so.
		I can't say I think so.
		I've always thought that he was guilty, and as you know, and justice done with an order for money to be paid?
		Well, it may mitigate things a bit, but I wouldn't go so far as to say justice has been done.
		The president gave his State of the Union address.
		As usual, not much comment on that.
		People never seem to want to comment on the President's State of the Union address.
		There must be a reason for that.
		In Texas, there's been a recommendation that Darley Rauter die by lethal injection.
		She is the one who allegedly stabbed her two children to death.
		This is for the first charge.
		She faces a pending charge for killing her six-year-old son, Devin.
		In other words, both of them with a butcher knife.
		Now, what I'm going to do for this half hour is open my West of the Rockies line and my first-time caller line for Los Angeles.
		Let us query the people in Los Angeles and see if all is quiet.
		Now, the reports I have indicate that all is quiet.
		The night, though, is fairly young, and so I just thought I'd try and get a bit of feedback from the people in Los Angeles and see if it is so.
		So, is it so?
		Los Angeles only, please, at 1-800-618-8255, LA only, this half hour.
		Also, LA only on the first time caller line at area code 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Both those lines, Los Angeles callers only, please.
		At the bottom of the hour, since my...
		And I'm going to an undisclosed resort location in Mexico.
		By the way, there are some earthquake, very unsettling earthquake predictions for the west coast of Mexico or the U.S. These coming from Jack Coles.
		And I'll tell you more about those over the next few days, it figures.
		Inevitably, when I take a vacation, any sort of vacation, stuff happens.
		That's the way it is.
		So I'm going to bring my, my mom is here visiting, and I promised, and so at the bottom of the hour, and I will bring her on the air.
		You can talk to Ma Bell.
		Here we go.
		Let us find out what is going on in Los Angeles.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Hollywood, and ABC reported there was a car bomb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A car bomb?
unidentified		Yeah, in Hollywood, and they evacuated an area of Hollywood.
		When did that...
		That just happened tonight.
		I was listening to your show and I heard it, KBC announced it, like it was shortly after.
		Yeah, I think it was shortly after midnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's already an evacuation underway.
unidentified		Yeah, a certain area of Hollywood.
		And I also wanted to say, when were you supposed to find out from Ed Dames the Harper situation?
		Or Kramer, I'm sorry, Kramer situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kramer.
		Well, I don't know.
		You know, they go to work, and it takes a lot of work.
		I'm not a remote viewer, but I know the projects take some time, so a matter of days, and obvious, you know me.
		The minute I know, you will know.
unidentified		Right on.
unidentified		Well, I just want to say have a good time on your vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
		Very kind.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And so anybody else out there confirming that news of a bomb or an area evacuated in Hollywood?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, my name's John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		I'm calling from Los Angeles.
		Yes, sir.
		I also can confirm the report about the bomb threat that was...
		And that's all I really know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so far, though, with regard to massive unrest or anything?
unidentified		No, no, and I don't think that has anything to do with the OJ thing either.
unidentified		I think that's completely unrelated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it could be totally unrelated to that.
		I'm sure it is unrelated.
		Reaction generally to the OJ thing?
unidentified		My personal reaction?
		Sure.
		I am so sick of hearing about that thing.
		I think so sick about it that I just could care less, to be honest with you.
		I'm really glad it's over, and I hope that all this peripheral stuff that's going to be related to all of the rest of it is just going to die and be done with as soon as possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It won't happen in our lifetimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will be burdened hearing about the O.J. Simpson thing until we die, and then our children will read about it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		You might be right about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm sure I am.
unidentified		Well, can I ask you another thing?
unidentified		Could you let the cat out of the bag about the KABC thing as far as how you guys are going to work that out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the cat has to remain in the bag until KABC calls me and tells me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know what's going on, but I can't talk about it.
unidentified		Well, the one thing I think would be a good compromise is if that you guys could preempt Mr. KBC's show if you guys have a guest.
		And otherwise, if it's open lunch, then you know, let him have his show until midnight.
		Right?
		Good compromise?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, you can't do programming that way.
		You know, half the time.
		Do you know how I get guests?
		Sometimes I get them 10 minutes before airtime.
		Do you know that 10 minutes before airtime tonight, I talked to a guy.
		This is the truth.
		This one, you'll love this one.
		Do you have any idea where Wilmington, California is?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
		But I talked to a guy up in Oregon who said that there was a few days ago a big UFO bunch of sightings in that area.
		And get this, brace yourself.
		A 1950s vintage automobile fell out of the sky in Wilmington, California.
		And they roped off the whole area.
		And nobody knows much about it.
		But I talked to a man who does know about it.
		Now, my immediate question was for Duchy.
		But there is no report on that.
		But I'm serious.
		Some kind of automobile.
unidentified		I haven't seen that on any of the news stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that figures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When do you ever hear on news stations about what I talk about?
unidentified		I appreciate your time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on our first time calling a line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Arch.
unidentified		It's John up in Dublin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		Sorry, I missed listening to Mr. Forbes last night.
unidentified		Did you have any questions from the audience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we had 30 minutes, so I pummeled him with every good question I could think of.
unidentified		Okay, well, if you talk to him again, he mentioned about how the government figures the budget.
		You might ask how CPA figured the budget for corporation, took a course in public accounting.
		I was amazed at the greatest, you might say, lying available to the United States.
		Okay.
		And on OJ, I know you sort of are wondering about this too, and I'm wondering, isn't it double jeopardy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, there is that aspect to it, but no, because one is criminal and one is civil.
		So it would only be double jeopardy if it were a double criminal trial.
		Now, when you talk about the trial of the officers, then you're talking, in my opinion, what amounts to double jeopardy.
		You remember?
		Justice Department came in and said, oh, no, no, no.
		This verdict is no good, and they had another trial.
		That was double jeopardy.
unidentified		Yeah, I hear you, and I agree with that, but it seems like his is, too.
unidentified		The laws, I think, need to be reduced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The laws reduced.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
		I'm generally for that.
		International Line, whoops, you would have been on the air.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Jeff from Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Pretty good.
		Everything's pretty peaceful here, I have to say.
		I was down on the front lines today at the courthouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Were you there when OJ came out?
unidentified		Yeah, I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there more clapping or more booing?
unidentified		A lot of booing.
		There was a lot of booing when he drove up in his suburban with his bodyguard.
		Well, it was interesting after the verdicts were announced, and everyone kind of dispersed on the front yard of the courthouse, and the media just jumped on everybody, and it was kind of like the atmosphere was almost like we were all dismissed from graduation.
		And we were citizens again, you know, and, you know, we had new hope.
		And so they were eager to find out our president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you this.
		Does it really represent justice?
		If two lives were taken, the unanimous verdict of this civil jury, then does the money really represent justice or does it just mitigate a little bit?
unidentified		I think you're probably correct that it's not really justice.
unidentified		But I think there's a broader, a larger perspective or reality that O.J. is a part of that he hasn't had to deal with yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The cosmos?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would have to agree with you.
		That trial yet awaits.
		Fortunately, we wouldn't have to watch that on CNN.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But it's very peaceful, and it wasn't at all like after the criminal trial where people were jumping and screaming with joy and getting crazy.
		It was very civil after the verdict was announced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very civil for a civil trial.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		And on our international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		This is Jesse from Clearwater, D.C. How you doing?
		Pretty good.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Sounds like you're having a pretty good show tonight, all that OJ crap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, maybe this will be it.
unidentified		Fawn.
		Oh, man.
		I hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I'm getting pretty sick of hearing about it.
		Anyways, the thing I phoned to ask you about, I was wondering if you'd heard about a man named John McConnell.
		He wrote a book called Mind Trek.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's a remote viewer.
unidentified		Yeah, I just saw him in the strangest place today on Canadian Talk Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm Petty Show from Toronto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The conservative Canadians are beginning to interview remote viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the world coming to?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I was trying to tape it for my dad.
		I'm trying to explain this all to him about what remote viewing is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he's thinking about that seaweed-eating, bead-rattling psychics, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I think you just hit on something.
		Wouldn't it be cool if we had remote beating?
		Who do you think would deserve to be remotely beaten?
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, here you go, adding on, piling on.
unidentified		All right.
		Oh, well, it's just like a soap opera.
		I mean, my God, it's been on Canadian news since the Monco case.
		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how much has there been in the news there in Canada about O.J.?
unidentified		Well, an obscene quantity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I don't think anybody really gives a damn.
unidentified		Nobody's ever going to find out what really happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, You're exactly right.
		It will be debated for years.
		Now we've got a legal situation where he's been exonerated, a civil situation where, in effect, he's been convicted.
		And so now, fuel to the fire and the controversy until, believe me, we're dead and gone, buried, our children will be arguing about it.
unidentified		Well, my son won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Every time O.J. comes on, I had to turn the TV off or send him out of the room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		And that's crap pickling a person's brain to begin with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pickling a person's brain.
		I like the remote beating idea.
		Yeah, well, that sounds pretty good.
unidentified		I've got a couple ex-husbands that would be pretty good candidates, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me rethink this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Take care.
unidentified		Remote beating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Take this.
unidentified		Take that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There'd be an unseen force.
		First time caller lock, and you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Art.
		Yes.
		This is Jim in Redondo Beach.
		How you doing?
		I'm doing okay.
		It's an honor and a pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I work here for a local utility company.
		I've been out in the streets, and everything's very quiet.
		I don't see any problems at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what we want to hear.
unidentified		The only thing that I'm really surprised is listening to all the local radio stations and including your friend Mr. KBC is the separation along racial lines again.
unidentified		It seems like it's really quite divided still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, really, what did you expect?
unidentified		Well, I thought it might ease up a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you believe in miracles.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not that way.
		It's going to be that'll be divided along racial lines forever.
		That was guaranteed with the first trial, and I mean guaranteed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Darren, calling from Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Remote beating, I like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who would you like to have remotely beaten?
unidentified		Oh, I don't know.
		Maybe Clinton.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The President of the United States?
unidentified		I'm just joking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jerking and jumping around in the Lincoln room as he's beaten by an unseen force.
unidentified		You know the car falling from the sky?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, that's pretty interesting.
unidentified		I was wondering if you ever caught any of Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but what comes to mind is close encounters of the third time.
		Do you remember the beginning of that movie?
		Do you remember when they were out in the, I think it was the Negev Desert, wasn't it?
		And there were all these World War II vintage airplanes out in the desert.
		Remember that?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I thought this car thing was really cool.
unidentified		Arthur C. Clark had a couple of shows on.
unidentified		I don't know if you've ever heard of any of this stuff, but there's been a lot of, and I guess it's like a paranormal phenomenon where a lot of different cases where stuff just falls from the sky, like fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard of all that.
unidentified		Frogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frogs.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's rain frogs.
unidentified		Ice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but rarely 1950s vintage automobiles.
unidentified		Yeah, that's pretty cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That one's new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if I can get to the people, and I think I can, to interview about this, I'm going to.
unidentified		And specifically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not tonight.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not tonight, unless I get really lucky.
		And if you folks are out there who want to talk about this, fax me your number.
		But I did talk to somebody in Oregon, and he's digging up the people for me.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He knows them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Can you imagine that?
		A 1950s vintage automobile clunk out of the sky.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		I'm on my way to Phoenix here in the car.
		I just wanted to talk a little bit about what's happening with the Randall Kramer case, or the Kramer case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is as we left it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is as we left it when we last talked to them.
		Then, of course, I talked to Ed Dames, and he's going to work.
		when we find out about that, it'll be on the air.
unidentified		Okay, I was wondering, is it somehow, someway, the handle bob Not Bob.
unidentified		Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob is a friend of mine in San Jose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hail is one half of a comet called Hail Bob, B-O-P-P.
unidentified		Okay, wondering, there was so much with that, and then the Kramer case comes along.
unidentified		It just seems so coincidental.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you see them as related?
unidentified		I don't know.
		Art, is this the timing of having Kramer?
		Because I hadn't been listening for a couple weeks, and then all of a sudden you came on with Kramer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if you want a coincidence, talk about what Mr. Kramer is alleged by a sister to have said about a supernova.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		That is incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a gravity wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you're talking about some serious coincidence.
unidentified		I think your show is a gravity wave, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, this is Curtis from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, it's finally, he's guilty.
		I'm glad, but it's a shame that he wasn't found guilty like he should have been in the first trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Legally.
		So, you know, if the question is, has justice been done?
		Well, I don't see how you can say yes.
		Yeah, there's a mitigation here.
		It's a little bit better.
		But not justice.
		Not for two murders.
unidentified		And I don't know how we can change the law to where he could be retried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you really want to do that?
unidentified		Well, I think they should have just let it...
unidentified		He was going to kill himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		Most people with a gun in their hands and the will to kill themselves do.
		You know what I'm saying?
unidentified		Yeah, and I'm wondering why that was never let into evidence, that phone call, because he sounded guilty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wondered about that myself, and I still don't understand why it was not admitted into evidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole chase thing and the phone call, I agree with you, sir, and I appreciate you calling.
unidentified		All right, see you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Coming up, Ma Bell.
		That's actually my mom coming up next.
		She's here to visit, so I'm going to put her on the radio, ask her questions, and be nice.
unidentified		Well, it's all right, and it's coming, oh, we gotta get right back, we'll never start it going.
		Love you too, it's a good job, we gotta get right back, we'll never start it going.
		Love you too, love you too, love you too.
		And you can take my place.
		This is CBC.
		Thank you.
		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, this is Art Bell.
		You know, if I knew what was coming next, I don't think it would be nearly so much fun.
		I do a program called Coast to Coast AM, and it's right here throughout the nighttime, the late night hours.
		If you can't sleep, or you don't want to sleep, or you just would like to join us for sort of an all-night party, be here.
unidentified		CBC, Chancellor Broadcasting Company, for the strange and unusual, it's Greenland with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do we discuss on Dreamland?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two fascinating areas.
unidentified		Is there life after death and are we alone in the universe?
unidentified		Two ultimate questions mankind's been trying to answer for thousands of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be talking about it this week right here on Dreamland.
unidentified		Dreamland.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And oh, by the way, I would like to add, if you're out there in the international community, anywhere else in the world, would like to reach us, we have an international line available for you.
		And here's how you get to it.
		You call the AT ⁇ T operator and ask her to please connect you to the United States with a toll-free number, which is 800-893-0903.
		I'll give that again in a second here.
		The other way to do it is to get the AT ⁇ T USA Direct country code for the country you're in, and then dial 800-893-0903.
		All right, coming now from Long Island, New York, my mom.
		And here she is, a little mom.
unidentified		Hi, Trey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And everybody should know, Trey is the nickname that I was given when.
unidentified		Well, really, at birth.
unidentified		And I was very interested to read an article about Bill Gates the other day and to discover that his dad calls him Trey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I've heard.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not a bad connection to have, I suppose.
unidentified		Not bad at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Bill, Trey.
		So my family has always called me Trey.
		My mom lives on Long Island in a little town called...
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		South Old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you listen to what radio station back there when you can hear my program?
unidentified		W-E-L-I, and it's not when I can listen to it.
unidentified		I can hear it beautifully across the sound from, I think it's Hamden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hamden, Connecticut.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's W-E-L-I.
		Thank you, W-E-L-I.
		And my mom was a Marine.
		That is, until I guess I ended her career.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was what ended your career, wasn't it?
unidentified		Yes, you were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's been a recent big controversy at Camp Lejeune, which is where I was born.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so we were talking about that the other night, and we've got listeners there, too.
		So I was in North Carolina for how long?
		How much of my life did I spend in North Carolina?
unidentified		Oh, just a couple of months, actually.
unidentified		And then we went back to Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then moved quite a bit.
unidentified		Oh, hopscotched all over the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I had a fax from somebody here a little while ago and said, how could you possibly allow Arthur to go into the Air Force after you and my staff were in the Marines?
unidentified		We didn't really have anything to say about it.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right, folks.
unidentified		However, I have nothing against the Air Force.
unidentified		I think it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		All right.
		What I want to do is give the audience an opportunity to ask of you whatever questions they will.
		And I've begged of them to be reasonably polite.
unidentified		Yes, be kind.
unidentified		I'm tetrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your visit here has...
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		It went in for major surgery the morning after I arrived.
		And it now has all new organs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Organs.
unidentified		And I couldn't be happier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It also now has Windows 95, folks.
unidentified		96.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		90.
		Well, the updates, 96.
		That's right.
		The infamous Windows 95 and 96.
		All right.
		Let's go to the audience and allow them to ask you questions and see what it is they ask.
		With some trepidation, he pushes the first line and says, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Iowa.
unidentified		I'm from Iowa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how are you doing, Trey?
unidentified		Hey, I got a question for Mobile.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Say, what is Art's favorite meal?
		Oh, that's Easy.
		He likes the plainest sort of food.
		I would say probably steak or hamburger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I also got a question.
		Well, I'm still interested in those time machines.
		I'd sure like to build one and then go back and see if OJ really did, you know, do what he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, even if you went back and saw OJ committing the crimes, it wouldn't change a legal trial that has concluded.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because there is no double jeopardy.
		So you'd come back screaming bloody murder, so to speak, and it wouldn't have any effect at all.
		But you'd know.
unidentified		Well, I'd probably take some pictures of it, and then they'd say they were phonies, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		All doctored up, sir.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Thanks, Bell.
		Take care.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes.
		Hello, there are.
		Hi.
		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		And Ma Bell, I have a question for you.
		Okay.
		What is your view on the OJ thing?
		And do you think he did it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are good questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I'll be absolutely honest with you.
		I hope so.
		I think he did.
		Oh, absolutely.
		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about today's civilian?
unidentified		I was willed.
		Well, I was doing backflips out in the street.
		This is Todd from Milwaukee and Art, and I've been listening to you for a long time, and this is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Todd, I would ask you the same question I'm asking everybody else, and that is, today's verdict, pleasant as it is to contemplate, does not really mitigate the legal verdict that much, does it?
		In other words, if you're asking the question, is justice served?
		I don't think this suddenly creates justice for two murders.
unidentified		That's correct, but if I may be completely truthful, Art, and this may sound hateful, but my truth is, I mean, my feeling is that I really...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's horrible, sir.
unidentified		I know, but I'm sorry, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll modify that, and maybe it will - maybe it'll do something in that category of the moment.
unidentified		I apologize, Art that.
unidentified		That's what I feel because he's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		I understand, sir.
		All right, thank you.
		Well, that also would not be justice.
		You do not create justice with another injustice.
		You don't correct one murder with another.
		I don't think it works that way anyway.
		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Ma Bell.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am in New Jersey, and I just wanted to ask Ma a question.
unidentified		What was Art's worst habit as a boy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my worst habit.
unidentified		I think probably the fireworks business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like things that exploded, sir.
unidentified		Anything.
		Anything.
		I will attach a maniac.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		He also had another nasty habit.
		Well, I could describe his bedroom first.
		It was very small.
		About a quarter of it was two bunk beds.
		Another quarter was a pinball machine, which he insisted on buying.
		And then there was just kind of room to walk through to get to the bed and to the pinball machine.
		And he used to electrify his metal doorknob.
		And then he'd call me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And I'd come from the kitchen.
unidentified		And, of course, you know the rest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she was out there twitching on the doorknob.
unidentified		You're cruel, Art.
unidentified		You're cruel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so are you, sir?
unidentified		Bye from Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the question.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Ma Bell.
		Nice to talk to you again.
		Thank you.
		Again?
		Again, I had the opportunity, the good fortune to get to speak with you last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Tim in Denver.
		Hi, Jim.
		Hi.
		I just wanted to ask your mother if she enjoys traveling.
		Love it.
		Absolutely love it.
		And it's great here in Nevada.
		It's so different than Long Island.
		Of course, getting away from the winter wasn't half bad either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have mountains.
unidentified		And I wanted to tell Art that we have great think houses in Denver, Art.
		All right, my friend.
		All right.
		Enjoy your vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, it's going to be about three days, and Ma Bell here is going to be house-sitting for us.
		And so you'll get a chance to enjoy the desert.
unidentified		The only thing about the desert that worries me is the coyotes I keep hearing when I go for a walk in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have coyotes here, folks.
		No question about it.
		But they don't bother you if you don't bother them.
unidentified		I'm not about to bother them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't chase down a coyote and kick him or bite him.
		He'll be just as happy to slink around and not bother you.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Esa, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm camping.
		I'll ring Ma Bell.
		I'll throw it in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you turn your radio on first, please?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
unidentified		Have you ever seen a UFO?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		Yes.
		What?
		A UFO.
		Have I seen one?
		No, have you?
		No, never.
		I'd like to.
		And I really think they're out there somewhere, but none of them have crossed my path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only one.
unidentified		But it was a big, big one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildfire Line, you're on the air with Arbell and Ma Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Ma Bell, how are you doing?
		Fine, thank you.
		Nice to listen to you.
		And Art, I just had a question concerning, you know, by the way, this is Dave over here in Beaverton, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dave.
unidentified		I had a question concerning two callers ago, I believe, you beeped out a little bit.
		You're such a proponent of free speech.
		What happened there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he advocated murder.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not cool.
unidentified		Okay, but, you know, I was just wondering, you know, with free speech and all, it'd be kind of nice to hear what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's free speech, and then there's real trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can't, it's not like you can't advocate murder, sir, on the end.
unidentified		Okay, well, good enough.
unidentified		I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't advocate the overthrow of the U.S. government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there are some limits.
unidentified		Yeah, you're right.
		Okay, well, I wanted to put my two cents worth on, and I agree with you on the mitigation there.
		I mean, sure, maybe O.J. didn't win the civil trial, but still, I think Ron and Nicole still got a bum deal.
		And while I'm glad that he is held accountable financially, I don't think the criminal case would have been a lot more satisfying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're talking about justice.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it mitigated a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, some people, it was at least today to be happy about something that they haven't had much happiness about so far.
unidentified		Yeah, maybe we'll go away for a while.
		We can move on to something else.
		Oh, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you watch the OJ trial?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		Well, not constantly the way a lot of people did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did constantly.
unidentified		I know you did.
		I remember you talking about that for a while.
		But I did.
		I looked in on it, and I caught the news at night, and I was pretty much up to date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		God bless both of you.
		Thank you.
		Okay.
		As far as Wilmington, it's on the west end of L.A. Harbor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, is it really?
		Yeah, this is where the 1950s vintage car supposedly fell from the sky.
		We have yet to find out about that, but it's near L.A. anyway.
unidentified		Yes.
		I have no idea.
		I haven't heard anything about that.
		But something that your listeners may like, you can get the 10th Insight in the libraries now.
		What's that?
		Have you ever heard of Celestian Prophecies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		The Tenth Insight is the follow-up book.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to hear it, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
		Hello there.
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, this is my first time.
		This is Dean.
		They call me Dr. Dean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you, Dr. Dean?
unidentified		I'm in Redlands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Redlands, California.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I have a question for your mom, but I also have some information I'd like to pass on to you that might help Ramona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the question first.
unidentified		Okay.
		Ma Bell?
		Yes.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		You know, mom has art.
		Yeah, mom has a lovely voice.
		She sounds like the sweetest person.
		You listen a lot to art.
		I'd like to know what's your favorite subject?
		He covers so many things.
		I've listened to Art for a long time, and he's gotten rather upset with this stuff like Gulf War syndrome.
		It looks like some kind of conspiracy with aliens and all the different subjects.
		What do you like the best?
		Well, is there a question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you want?
unidentified		Well, that's for me.
		No.
		Well, I listen every night, and I find the mix fascinating.
		I mean, if you talked about politics all the time, I'd think I like politics, but I think I'd be bored.
		And this show is a constant surprise to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		That's true.
		My dog likes it, too.
		Art, I've been listening to you since you were on Kdon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a long time.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you had some information.
unidentified		Yes.
		Are you familiar with Perceptions Magazine?
		I'm sure you've been contacted.
		Do you have a copy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not presently, but I know the magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Okay, well, they have an 800 number or you can just find them at Culver City.
unidentified		But a year ago, September issue, the doctor, Suzanne Hennig, wrote an article about meeting Dr. Sam Chichua from Australia that became a medical doctor at 19 years old with cures for everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now they probably killed him then, right?
unidentified		Just about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's the story.
		He goes down with the carburetor that gets 100 miles to the gallon and all the rest of it.
		When people come up with cures, cancer cures, why the AMA generally has them killed.
		When you come up with a carburetor that gets 100 miles per gallon, the Detroit people have those people killed and confiscate the carburetors.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Don from Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Don.
unidentified		Hi, Ma Bell.
		Welcome to the airwaves.
		Thank you, Don.
		My question to you is, do you have the same fascination with the nether world that your son does?
		Yes.
		Do you?
		So it is somewhat hereditary, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or have you discussed it with him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's genetic, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
		I'm just, you know, I'm fascinated with things that I don't understand and that a lot of people don't understand.
		I can't help it.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Now, I'm the same as you are.
		And I never even knew that my mother had the same fascination with this stuff until maybe five or six years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you ever noticed, sir, that there's a lot of things that you don't learn about your parents until you begin to get a little bit older and realize that they're just sort of like you are?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And this is one factor right there that I didn't discover until, like I said, just a few years ago, and I had no idea that she was like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are a lot of things in this world, thank you, that we don't understand.
		And they're the ones that I'm interested in.
		The ones that are obvious.
		I mean, we could sit here and talk about O.J. Simpson until we got blue in the face, and that wouldn't be very long either.
		But there are lots of other things in this life that are fun to investigate that we don't understand.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Ark Bell and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My name is David from Selmo, Oregon, and I'm glad to be on the phone with Ma Bell and yourself, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, David.
		I'd like to share one more thing about the OJ trial.
		If I may have been wanting to get off my chest for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I used to live a caddy corner on the other side of the block from where Nicron and Ron were murdered, and I was there that night, but my mom had passed away, I don't know, a couple years before that, but I was still very depressed about it.
		And I saw two vehicles leave the scene.
		One was the white Bronco.
		And, you know, then I followed them, and I saw them across the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yvonne, come on now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you'd done all this, you should have been in contact with...
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But I'm a lousy witness because of my memory problem at that time being depressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they didn't want to use you.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you could have turned the case.
unidentified		I definitely could have, but I was just so depressed.
		Anyway, I'm glad that your mom is around, and I'm glad for that.
		And I did have one quick question for her.
		All right.
		I appreciate that, get that off my chest, too.
		Go ahead.
		When did he first show interest in radio?
		When did he first show interest in?
		Oh, it goes way back.
		I could go back to three years old when he was fooling around with my electrical appliances, cutting the plugs off and so forth.
		But his first real interest was ham radio started at about 12, 10, 12.
		About 12.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you drove me to Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To Philadelphia, where I took my first ham test with.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		And he went on from there until he finally got his general license, and I don't know what after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Advanced.
unidentified		Advanced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've been at ham all those years, consistently.
unidentified		You still are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really did do a lot of strange things when I was young.
		I electrified people and blew things up.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, hello, Mrs. Bell.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		If your son hadn't been art and he had been OJ or President Clinton, would you still love him?
		Of course.
		Doesn't a mother always love her child?
		I think so.
		I mean, I can't speak to all the mothers in the world, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you stop loving your child if your child did something bad?
unidentified		I think love does have a kill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not so sure that it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, everybody's different, and it may well be that that's how you would be, but no matter how awful a thing somebody who is your sister, brother, mother, father, son does, I don't think that changes the blood connection in you.
unidentified		Well, I think it goes back to blood, blood being thicker than water, as they say.
unidentified		I think if you're related to somebody that closely, you can't just write them all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I absolutely agree.
		I mean, you certainly are disappointed with them.
		Of course, the tragedy and all the rest of that, but gee, you don't just unlove them all of a sudden, or if you do, I don't know how you do.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Mrs. Bell, it's really a pleasure to hear you on the radio.
		Thank you.
		I remember when Art got 400 affiliates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
		I don't have 400 yet.
		You mean 300?
unidentified		Maybe it was 300.
		But you were on the radio for a little bit on the greeting that everybody gave to him, congratulating him.
		And I thought how wonderful of a person you are.
		And I just really want to thank you for giving birth to such a wonderful person as Art.
		My question, I've got a couple of them.
		What do you really think of Ramona, your daughter-in-law?
		Well, I've talked about that before.
		Actually, I think very highly of her.
		We're not terribly close because we're so far apart geographically.
		But she's a wonderful gal, and I think Trey is very fortunate to have her.
		Does she take as good a care of your son as you would like her to?
		You bet she does.
		She's his secretary, his wife, his mistress, his all of that and more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to break here.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		This is the American CBC Radio Network.
unidentified		This is the American CBC Radio Network.
		You're listening to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Listeners west of the Rockies can call ART toll-free by dialing 1-800-618-8255.
		If you're east of the Rockies, the toll-free number is 800-825-5033.
		If you've never called ART before, you may use the first time caller line at area code 702-727-1222.
		And the wildcard line is area code 702-727-1295.
		When you get through, let it ring and ART will answer your call in order on the air.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Call our bell, toll-free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
		Exactly what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		The O.J. Simpson civil trial results are in.
		And the verdict is pay up.
		The rest of the verdict will be considered beginning Thursday.
		That's the big news.
		President's State of the Union address.
unidentified		I don't know how big the news is there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not too much comment on it.
		My mom is here.
		And for the next half hour, we are going to continue to take questions from the audience from my mom.
		That'd be Mom Bell, I guess.
		So we'll get back to that in a moment.
		All right.
		Well, my mom is here.
		Her real name is Jane, by the way, but everybody calls her Ma Belle.
		And so we'll call her Ma Belle.
		And here's a facts.
		Near Art and Ma.
		Please, please, please, let's not talk about the OJ civil trial any more than we have to.
		I have a question for your mom.
		Art, idiots.
		What is the funniest thing your son ever did around the household?
		See, can they ask minor questions, non-embarrassing questions?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what is the funniest thing I ever did around the household?
unidentified		Well, there were lots of them.
unidentified		But one thing I remember was when you were about two years old, and I put you down for your nap in the afternoon and put the hook on the door because you had a tendency to climb out of your crib and take off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Freedom.
unidentified		Freedom.
		But I forgot that particular afternoon to the hook.
		And all of a sudden you were missing, and my heart stopped, but I looked outside and couldn't see you.
		Then I happened to look down the row of houses, and I saw a circle of people standing around looking down, and I figured that something horrible had happened to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There I was, flattened like a flat cap on the road.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		So I ran as Fast as I could, and I arrived to find my neighbors standing around you, looking down at you, naked as a peeled banana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I had traversed the block naked, huh?
unidentified		You took your your nightclothes off and left that one.
unidentified		So I had to walk you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are some things I think that are better not remembered that our brain blocks out, you know, and I don't remember that.
unidentified		Well, mothers remember those stories.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, if you have questions for my ma in the next half hour here, fire away.
		Here we go.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I actually got the radio off for a change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I don't have a fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I actually talked to you before a couple years ago when I was in Salt Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		We talked for like, oh, a couple hours about ham radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		But anyway, I was going to ask your mom, and asked you too, I guess, but just ask her, what her reaction was about the, she thought of the little pirate radio escapade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she really wasn't around when I did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was in the Air Force when I did that whole pirate radio thing.
unidentified		Right, I remember reading about it in your book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		That occurred in the Air Force, and I was at Amarillo Air Force Base at the time, so I was off on my own getting in trouble by that time.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art and Ma Bell.
		Hi.
		Hi, what I was going to ask is something.
		This is like a family program because you have family I know.
		And I have a sibling who does witchcraft.
		And she makes me give her money, but she's all right, really, but I don't know how to break the spell.
		How would you do that?
		And also, do you believe in UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's already been asked.
unidentified		Okay.
		The answer is I do.
		Okay.
		And what would you do about a sibling who is a good sibling, but she's like what Newt Gingrich called Mrs. Clinton?
		Should I get her a counseling session with Newt Gingrich?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		She seems to be doing all right for herself if she has you coughing up money.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi there, Art.
unidentified		I'm from Stockton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And about a week ago, you talked about Hailbob and Hail Bob.
		Bob, I'm sorry.
		And you said that, well, people said that they were able to see it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		It's, oh, I don't know, a little better than 10 degrees above the horizon about an hour before sunrise in the morning, sir.
		So go out and take a look.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Art Bell and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, Art Bell.
		This is Dave calling from KSFO Country.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		San Francisco, yes, sir.
unidentified		You said you.
		Hey, listen, I knew, I knew you were a cut-up when you were growing up.
		No question in my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It had to be, huh?
unidentified		Had to be.
		Any case I was going to ask Pa Bell there, who did you get that from?
		Her or Pop?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's a fair question, I guess.
unidentified		Well, I think a lot of it came from his dad.
unidentified		But, yeah, I think most of it did, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think my dad was a big practical joker.
unidentified		Right, right.
unidentified		So it's just you fell right in his footsteps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's right.
unidentified		And then, Marbel, did you ever think that he would obtain the celebrity status that he did today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good question.
unidentified		Well, all mothers hope their sons will do well, but to be absolutely truthful, I did not expect this meteoric rise of his, and I think he's a little bit surprised himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very.
		Very.
		That's the truth.
		I really don't understand, and I'm not even sure I want to, you know, why it's working so well.
		Who knows?
		I don't know.
		And I try not to dissect it.
		So that's an honest answer to that.
		No, I didn't expect it, and it just happened.
		It's really nice that it happened.
		I try not to, you know, pull it apart and understand it.
		Maybe if I did, it wouldn't work.
unidentified		The formula seems to be successful and it probably is better to do just what you're saying, to leave it alone and just hope it keeps...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is my attitude.
		Wild card, don't think about it.
		Just do it.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, Ma Bell, I want to thank you for your son.
		This is an old lady who just stays up all night listening to him, and then I sleep in the daytime.
		I do the same thing.
		Well, I wanted to ask, I've been just absolutely desperate to get a hold of you to tell you about a program I heard here in Wichita, the last hour of it.
		It's a three-hour program last Sunday night.
		He had a doctor on by the name of Richard Boylan.
		Have you heard of him, Mark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had Richard Boylan on many times, sure.
unidentified		Well, he was on that show, and he's written a new book called Project Infany.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And he was telling about, what he was telling about was exactly what the man that was supposed to be on your show that both of the people didn't have on there because such a reaction.
unidentified		Did you know that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about Hailbop and all that?
unidentified		No, UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		UFOs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Richard Boylan, yes, is very involved, and I've had him on several times.
unidentified		Have you heard what he has to say lately?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't had him on since his book has come out.
unidentified		I didn't hear the first of it.
		But he was speaking of the government not going to announce the UFOs.
		He was leading it up to a team of 13.
		They're made up of all kinds of people, no corporations, business, the government people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, BMJ 12, probably.
unidentified		And that there will be a meeting with these people in April, before April, either this week or next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what I'll do, dear.
		I'll have Richard Boylan on.
		How's that?
unidentified		Okay, Gator, do you need his number or anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		I've got it.
		Well, I'm dying to know the first two hours of the show.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		We'll see if we can get a hold of him.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Ma Bell.
		High.
		Hello there.
		Going once, twice, three times, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Boy, I always pay about probably 10 cents every time I try to call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here you are.
unidentified		Thanks.
unidentified		I'm Gary from Traverse City, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Gary.
unidentified		And I'd just like to know, you know, I've heard in your ads that you're saying the weather is going to get worse and we can't get much more snow up here than what we've had earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's been a rough winter for you, hasn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, it has.
		You know, and, you know, I've heard your advertisements, and, you know, it's going to get worse.
		You know, where do you get that from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do I get it from?
		Just a feeling and the facts.
		I mean, you know, it's being documented year by year now.
		Every hurricane season is worse.
		Every summer is hotter.
		Every winter is colder.
		You know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to divine the weather is worsening.
unidentified		Right.
		Yeah, but I don't understand.
		You know, last winter, we didn't have as much snow.
		And now it's, you know, that's a lot worse.
		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on what the jet stream is doing.
		And if you look carefully at the jet stream, you will see that it is beginning to twist and riff.
		And as Ed Dames has suggested, in spots touching the deck.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		How are you doing, Art?
		How are you doing, Ma?
		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Art, do you know that you were on a short wave a while back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't know that.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		You were at a little station out of Nashville ahead.
		You're thinking of a fellow of the name of Brother Stair had you on there talking about that Vatican program you had there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean he was talking about it?
unidentified		Yeah, he had the tape of your show planned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I listened to that and I said, whoa, he's on short wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do strange things out there.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And I was listening to your show with Major Dames the other night, and I just couldn't believe some of the stuff he was saying.
		Yep.
		I was wondering if your mom believes all this stuff that, you know, sometimes these guests come on and they say some pretty wild things.
		I wonder if she's believing all that stuff or just kind of going, well, maybe, maybe not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the way I go.
		Maybe, maybe not.
		But you can answer for yourself.
unidentified		Well, I do the same thing.
		I take some with a grain of salt.
		I try to keep an open mind.
		I find it all fascinating to listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good answer.
		I mean, that's really me, too.
		I don't take anything as gospel any more than I do from our politicians.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Ma.
		Hi.
		How are you?
		I'm fine, thank you.
		Couldn't be better.
		This is Dave.
		I'm here in Perump.
		Oh, you're in Perump?
		Yes.
		Welcome to our city.
		Thank you.
		It's a lovely place.
		Isn't it, though?
		Sure is.
		Oh, I just love it.
		And I'm so glad I live so close to art.
		It makes things so much more convenient.
		Well, you probably get good reception.
		No, actually, I have a problem with it, but, you know, he had this Wayne Green, Dr. Wayne Green?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not Doctor, just Wayne Green.
unidentified		Oh, well, he's a PhD.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he isn't.
unidentified		Oh, I thought he said.
		Well, at any rate, he had him on, and I personally wrote to him, and he gave me some suggestions.
		And, you know, Art, I'm really interested in ham radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And if you know any information on how to get started or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, sure, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a ham club here in Parump, and if you'll go to the post office, you'll see the meeting dates, and that's a way to get started.
unidentified		Oh, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Go down to the post office, the main post office.
		You'll see notices up there.
unidentified		Oh, that's great.
		Okay.
		Hey, Ma, was Art a good kid when he was growing up, or was he really that big of a troublemaker?
		Well, I think he was a typical American boy.
		I mean, he certainly wasn't good all the time.
		I don't think I would have wanted him today.
		I would have felt that he was a little...
		You say you were?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
unidentified		I have to go along with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Being honest.
unidentified		Not all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not all the time, but a lot of the time.
		Easy to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, Rochester, New York, Art.
unidentified		Good calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fred, from where?
unidentified		Rochester.
		God bless both of you.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rochester?
unidentified		Rochester, New York.
		Okay.
		I'm an abductee.
		Got a few stories to tell you.
		I've seen a white buffalo when I was nine years old.
		I could go on forever, but I enjoy your program.
		We'll get into it some other time.
		All right.
		I'm a great believer.
		I believe in everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		I also believe Jesus is coming to take us all home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he may be.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		God bless you.
		Hang in there.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on there with Art Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Thank you on that starting California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, here she is.
unidentified		You know, I just totally racked my brain trying to think of the most embarrassing thing that I could ask.
		Oh, thanks.
		Of course.
		I know, but hello, Mrs. Bell.
		You know, I talked to you the last time that you were here.
		What is your name?
		Danielle.
		Oh, oh, I have a letter from you at home.
		You do?
		I think so.
		I don't think it's from me.
		No?
		I don't know your address.
		Well, I have been receiving...
		I have just gotten on the net.
		Well, that's okay.
		We understand.
		Thank you.
		Now, you know, I was thinking, you seem to have done such a fine job in raising your son.
		If you had one piece of advice for young mothers today, what would it be?
		And also, is there anything in your past to indicate that you've been abducted by aliens and planted with alien seed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and I might be the result of that, huh?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		You know you're my favorite alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand where that question is going.
unidentified		Excuse me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the other thing you?
		Let's see.
		What did she ask?
unidentified		Is she gone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she's gone.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
		There was something else.
		I interrupted her, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there anything?
		She was trying to think of the most embarrassing question.
		Oh, well.
		Oh, well.
		Too bad, Dunelle.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Mrs. Bell.
		Good morning.
		I won't ask you about spankings, but I think Art is still sometimes a bad boy.
		Well, to answer that thing about spanking, I answered that the last time I was on the air.
		Yes.
		I said you were hard to catch.
		In other words, he'd do something and then run like a deer.
		Uh-huh.
		That may be kind of what he does sometimes now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You run like a deer.
unidentified		And this is John in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, John.
unidentified		And is Mrs. Bell coming out to Perrump?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She is in Perump.
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		I thought I heard you say she was calling from...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She lives in Long Island, but she's here in Perump now.
unidentified		I see.
		Well, welcome to Nevada, and I hope you have a wonderful visit.
		Thank you very much.
		It's a wonderful state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care, my friend.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Mrs. Bell.
		Good morning.
		This is Don in near Nashville, Tennessee.
		And Mrs. Bell, a question I have for you since you served in the military, the Marine Corps, I believe, what thoughts have you had over the past year with all of the problems the Army has been having concerning female recruits?
		And I know you served in the military in a much different time, but did you, from your personal experience, ever notice any degree of that same type of problem when you were in the service?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like sexual harassment, that kind of thing?
		Yeah, all right.
		It's a good question, really, I suppose.
		You're in the Marine Corps.
		You were one of the first women Marines, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were a drill instructor.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		But to answer your question, sexual harassment, it wasn't even called that as far as I know when I was in the service.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was flirting then.
unidentified		Yeah, we kind of left it off, you know.
		If someone made that kind of a remark, we treated it lightly, and usually it went away.
		So people tend to get very upset and sue about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they go to court.
		That's right.
		So it wasn't a big deal then.
unidentified		I didn't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or at least it was just handled between men and women.
		All right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Art and Ma Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, how are you doing?
		This is Skip calling from Madison, Wisconsin.
		Hi, Skip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, welcome.
unidentified		Yeah, first of all, I'd like to say to Ma Bell, welcome.
		And also, I love listening to your show.
		And the question she could not remember was that was wondering about young mothers and what kind of advice.
		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Advice to young mothers.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll get that in a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question?
unidentified		Sure.
		Yeah.
		My question is to you, Art.
		I'm curious.
		I feel that I'm a well-educated man, etc.
		But I've had weird experiences in my life.
		I feel that at nine years old I was visited by the men in black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They usually come to collect evidence of something.
unidentified		Well, I saw something that I couldn't explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe they collected the evidence from your brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you remember it, so maybe they didn't get it.
unidentified		Well, perhaps, but all I know is I saw a ball of light in the middle of outside of my street, and I was in awe of this, and so it was non-threatening to me at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, but the men in black, well, all right, look, we've got to get to this question because we're coming to the end of the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So advice to young mothers, Annie?
unidentified		Well, I don't think I'm really qualified to give advice, but I'll take a crack at it anyway.
		Having reached the point where my children are grown and looking back, I would give them as much love as possible.
		And I know that's tough because young people these days, usually the mother and dad are both working, which I didn't.
		But I think love is the answer.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, probably love is the answer.
		Ma, thanks for being on the show.
		You're welcome, honey.
		And that's it.
		She'll be here for a few days, sort of house-sitting for me.
		And I want to thank all of you for participating in this last hour with my mom.
		It's always great to have her on the show, and maybe in another year, we'll do this again, Emma.
unidentified		Love to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's it.
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour, and we'll be right back.
		From the high desert, you're listening to the American CBC Radio Network for the remainder of the show.
		Open lines, anything you want to talk about, so buckle in and look out.
unidentified		Open lines, anything you want to talk about, so buckle in and look out.
		This is TRN and CBC, Talk Radio Network and Chancellor Broadcasting Company, home of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Music Music Music Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Good morning.
		Yes, I'm probably inclined as an adult, as I was as a child, toward trouble.
		It's my nature.
		Anyway, it was a pleasure having my mom on the air.
		It's been about a year, I think, or a little longer, somewhere in that area, just about a year.
		And so it's a pleasure to have her here.
		Well, all right.
		Back to the phones, open lines.
		Anything you all want to talk about is fair game.
		Obviously, with the O.J. Simpson civil trial results, some people are going to want to talk about that, unavoidable.
		There is a prediction by Jack Coles or a likelihood of an earthquake along the west coast.
		Well, let me read you what I've got.
		One large main signal, specific character low frequency radio spikes, was received by our instruments today, February 4th, yesterday and now, at 5.30 a.m.
		We feel there is a 75% chance of a 6-plus magnitude earthquake anywhere along the west coast of California down to South America.
		Specific dates for the watch, February 6th through the 13th.
		So, he continues, we will continue to monitor magnetic anomalies and very low frequency radio wave signals.
		Main radio signals come in 1, 4, 9, 16, and 25 days prior to events.
		We live in earthquake country, so being prepared is always a good idea.
		Jack Coles.
		West of the Rockies.
		West of the Rockies, there we go.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Gina in Pasadena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, California.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to speak to your mom because I had something funny to tell her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she's listening.
unidentified		Okay, well, I forget exactly how old you are, but...
		You're roughly the same age.
		You're within a year or so of my boyfriend.
		And he was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
		And you and him had almost the same childhood.
		Really?
		Him and his brother blew up things all the time.
		Yeah.
		And, you know, his mother would go and, you know, buy, she actually would go and buy them black powder.
		Really?
		And, oh, they did all kinds of things like taking toy cannons and putting touch hole, drilling touch holes in them.
		And, you know, all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I built a lot of rockets that ended up to be more like bombs.
unidentified		Well, they would, yeah, they would fly.
unidentified		Some of them flew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I don't want to give a misimpression here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of my rockets flew.
unidentified		Oh.
		Well, what they would do is they would, you know, they would launch these things and they'd set it up so that they'd put little soldiers on them, you know, little soldiers, and they'd blow up or something like this.
		They were always doing stuff like that.
		And I just thought it was so odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I called fun as a young adult, and now as an adult even, and I still enjoy it, today we call it terrorism ships.
unidentified		Relevant terrorism.
		It wasn't actually a UFO experience, but I got the idea of what the mothership in my mind would look like.
		And that was New Year's Day.
		Because I live a block north of the parade route on Colorado Boulevard.
		And I watched that stealth bomber go over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it just, you know, it literally went over, well, its wingtip was probably half block from my house, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		And just watching that thing go over, it was just so silent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you get any photographs?
unidentified		Unfortunately, no, I wish I had.
		But that thing was just absolutely awesome.
		And it was so silent going over.
		And then when it, you know, it went several miles out, and of course, you know, turned around to come back.
		And when it came back, it was just, it was like thunder.
		And my mom up in Altadina could see it going past the Rolls Ball.
		And she's by miles from the Rolls Ball.
		And she could hear it from where she was.
		This thing was absolutely awesome.
		And it gave me the idea of what the mothership would look like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that, but Moo Joe Bigger.
		I've got you.
		All right, first time caller line.
		You're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I was kind of wondering, what exactly is remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like remote beating, only different.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you imagine it to be, since you don't know?
unidentified		Well, I really have no clue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No clue?
unidentified		No clue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you'll listen toward the end of the week, you'll hear a good explanation that dames will repeat, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you listen for that.
unidentified		Come here, what is remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I like the idea of remote beating.
unidentified		That's cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Donna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Donna, I can barely hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'll have to talk right into your phone and yell at us.
unidentified		This is Donna from Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Donna.
unidentified		Last week you had a show on.
unidentified		A caller called in about an asteroid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
		That is a true story.
		There is a close Earth asteroid, and they're trying to plot it down, trying to look at it, but it has a possibility of colliding with Earth.
unidentified		I have been scanning the news ever since, and I haven't heard anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me, it's true.
unidentified		I've been getting these letters from various workers for years, and they've been forgetting this for beons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I personally think that it's because of the NBC program coming up, I think it's in this month, February, called Asteroid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think the people at NBC probably planned it.
unidentified		Well, like I said, Mary's work is with his family for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can barely hear you.
unidentified		I appreciate your call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true, asteroids' orbit around the sun cuts close to Earth's path, according to JPL.
		This is JPL, and it is possible.
		I think this thing is about two or three football fields in size, pretty big rock.
		And should it hit, it would destroy an area the size of LA.
		Now, I'm not saying it's going to hit L.A. I'm just saying that is what they're saying, that it would certainly destroy an area about the size of L.A. So I'm not surprised.
		Nothing surprises me.
		Asteroid?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is JT from Sonila County.
		Hi.
		Have you heard about our earthquakes today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard there were a couple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were they in the three and four point range?
unidentified		Yeah, but it was really strange because, well, I'm only two miles from the epicenter, and it felt more like a five or five.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anytime you're near an epicenter, I do think that we're in an earthquake window for the next week or so.
unidentified		Well, I want to tell you something.
		It's like I've been in school since I called you about a year and a half ago.
		I'm 49.
		I told you I was going back to school to study criminal justice and to be a cop.
		And I've been in school since 8 o'clock this morning.
		And, you know, I'm exhausted, and I've been in huge earthquakes.
		But there's something about these two that has alarmed me, and I feel we're going to have more.
		I'm afraid to go to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're thinking their precursors.
unidentified		Yeah, I was so, it's like I know when these things are going to happen.
		Like, I just, on a radio station here, I won the Super Bowl.
		You know, I knew what the score was going to be without even thinking about it, and I didn't even know who was going to play.
		And I told everybody all morning, this morning there were going to be earthquakes.
		And I've been in earthquakes so big that I couldn't even crawl on my hands and knees.
		And those did not alarm me.
		But these, today I feel really, really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people on edge, dear.
		Oh, that's right.
		Thank you very much.
		I really think right now there are a lot of people on edge, and we're in a window.
		There are windows for earthquakes, and we have just entered one.
		Today, tomorrow, and for about the next week, according to Jack Coles, through the 13th, I believe.
		Let me be sure of what I'm saying here.
		The 6th through the 13th.
		So nothing would surprise me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Mr. Bill.
		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		This is Larry from Cleveland, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Nobody calls ever from Cleveland, so I'm glad to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, I'm glad you did.
unidentified		Okay, very good.
unidentified		One thing I wanted to say, the other night you were talking about the matter of the weight of a soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the weight of a soul.
unidentified		Right.
		What would happen if, you know, I mean, I'm sure you've heard of astral projection and stuff and all that.
		Could that be scientifically measured?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suggested exactly that on the program.
unidentified		I happened to miss that part who ran at the bathroom or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		In other words, if the soul leaves the body in astral projection, then it should be possible to measure that.
		It would be a very interesting experiment.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I just thought, you know, that seemed like, you know, I'm just trying to get people before they die, I mean, which is a very hard proposition, you know, to say, okay, your person's passing, can we weigh them?
		You know, it seems like something you could actually scientifically do.
		It's kind of in the same realm as, you know, remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the disappointing thing for that, with that, for the volunteer, would be they never get to understand or hear the results.
unidentified		True.
unidentified		Well, yeah, this is the definite scientific exact science, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		All right, Joey Sean, then.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much for the call, and take care.
		You know, you'd never get to know the results, but I guess there is something about donating yourself to science.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		All right.
		Sorry, I missed your mom.
		Simplify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yo, there you go.
unidentified		Hey, I just wanted to let you know I've been trying to call you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you going to sell your little phone or something?
unidentified		I'm trying to stop in the good sell spot here, North Dakota Highway Control.
unidentified		So I get out cruising North Dakota tonight, beautiful 20-degree weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're breaking up terribly.
unidentified		Okay, I've stopped right here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's better.
unidentified		Okay, I just wanted to do it a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		Not going to watch, sir.
		Sorry, you'll have to find a better sell.
		That one wasn't cutting the mustard.
		West of the Rockies?
		Sure on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, sir.
		This is Todd, Vancouver, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Todd.
unidentified		Hi, I just wanted to say I love your show.
		It's great, but I'm a high school student.
		It keeps me up at night, so now I sleep days.
		I just thought I'd let you know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're a high school student, you can't sleep days.
unidentified		Well, actually, when I get home from school at 2 o'clock, I sleep till about 9 o'clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Watch about an hour of television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And come upstairs and listen to your show all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
unidentified		I just like to say, great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		your parents let you do that?
unidentified		Uh, well, um, I guess they probably don't know.
unidentified		I mean, they probably wonder why I sleep when I get home, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's the matter with our boy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Imagine that he's sleeping all the time.
		Well, it's this program doing it, folks.
		And I'm talking to his folks, just in case they're listening.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
		This is Katie.
		I'm listening to WLS in Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Katie.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Your mom is charming and very articulate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if I have anything, that's where it came from.
unidentified		Obviously.
		Well, there's a subject I've been interested in for a very long time.
		And just before I started listening to your show, I heard a story about a man that had cloned, I think it was a herd of sheep or something in Scotland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Yeah, and I've been listening to your show, and I thought for sure you'd have something on it for about a year now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we talked about that.
unidentified		Oh, I must have just missed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When the story came out, because obviously if you can clone sheep, the same technology can be applied to human beings.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, or even parts of their body, you know, organs and what they would do for diabetes.
unidentified		Oh, it'd be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it would be great for the clonies.
unidentified		Well, if you could just...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, what is a clone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, would we regard a clone as a being without a soul, not a human?
unidentified		Well, it depends whether it was alive.
unidentified		But if you could just clone an organ, that would be great, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what if you had to clone what amounted to a being to remove that organ from?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that presents a lot of ethical problems.
unidentified		answer, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name again?
unidentified		Katie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Katie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Katie, let's say that you were dying of liver disease, and you had a clone, a Katie clone.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they were keeping This Katie clone in a sort of a, you know, an environment, sort of a static situation, and you could get a liver from the Katie clone that would save your life.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you do it?
unidentified		Well, I'm going to fudge on this a little.
unidentified		As I understand, you can use parts of liver and parts of your liver and they'll regenerate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not allowing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the entire liver.
unidentified		This doesn't mean I'd have to zap the clone, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
unidentified		Chinaman button.
		I don't know, the clone button.
		How did you say?
		It's like at Thanksgiving, who eats a turkey that they know, you know?
		I don't know.
		Good question, Er.
		Well, anyhow, do you think you're going to have somebody on in the future?
		Sure.
		Oh, you can't tell me when, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but if I find somebody on the subject of cloning, we'll get them on.
unidentified		Oh, well, thank you.
unidentified		I love your show anyhow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Katie.
unidentified		All right.
		Bye-bye.
		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		If they can clone sheep, they can.
		Now, whether they will or not is another question.
		I frankly think that a lot of this kind of experimentation, Frankenstein style, is going on in secret because, of course, you couldn't really conduct it, couldn't get away with conducting it in public.
		But you can believe it's going on in private out there.
		You know it is.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		Didn't get a chance to talk to Ma Bell, but I wanted to.
		I was going to ask her, but I suppose you can answer this question if you had an imaginary playmate when you were a kid.
		And I got a choke for you, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had real playmates.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You know what has red hair and a big red nose and red feet and lives in a test tube?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Bozo the clone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bozo the clone.
unidentified		Oh, that's awful, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's awful.
		How about you?
		Same clone question.
		If you had a clone and you needed a liver or you were going to pass away, would you take your clone's liver?
unidentified		If he was going to give it to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't say anything about receiving in loving gifts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, take.
unidentified		Take it, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's either that or you die.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		That's a hard question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on now.
		You're beginning to really hurt.
		Your liver is on its last legs.
		You've got to make a decision.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		I suppose once I started feeling the pain, I suppose I'd probably take it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		A good, honest answer.
		Goodbye, clone.
		Hello, liver.
		First time caller sign, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Sam.
		I'll give my name as Sam.
		Okay.
		I've been listening to your program.
		It's very, very interesting.
		I do have to say that I have seen a flying saucer, and I did see this in my backyard, and I was with someone else when I did see it.
		It was about as, oh, it was just gigantic.
		It was about four times as big as my house.
		That's big.
		That big.
		And about 350 feet up in the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what did you do?
unidentified		What did I do?
		Well, I didn't have a lot of time to do anything.
		This was about 30 seconds.
		It was in a flat second.
		You know, something that happens...
		No, I don't believe so.
		No, it didn't do anything like that.
		It was just hovering.
		And within a minute, it just took off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think they do that?
unidentified		Why do I think what does that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those saucers.
		Why do they do that?
		Just hovering?
unidentified		Well, this wasn't really a saucer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said it was a saucer.
unidentified		Well, the reason I said that is because, you know, people think that UFOs are saucers.
unidentified		And it wasn't really anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it like?
unidentified		Well, it was, like I said, it was three times as big as my home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if it wasn't a saucer, then what was it like?
unidentified		It looked almost like a ship.
		You know, a ship that you find in the ocean.
		And it had all types of antennas.
		You know, like big, huge antennas coming out at the top of it.
		It had little portholes, light coming out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And it was dark black and brown.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you see any beings through the windows?
unidentified		No, I did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like something from 20,000 leagues under the sea, above the border.
unidentified		This was 350 feet up in the air.
		And it moved like nothing I've ever seen before.
		But, you know, there is one other thing that I have to say about it.
		There was no sound to it.
		Right.
		Nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zero.
unidentified		Zero.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to say about that.
unidentified		What was your experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did it do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fly away?
unidentified		I would say, yeah.
		I couldn't say it flew away.
		It just moved so quickly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to say to that.
unidentified		What did you see?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I saw a triangular UFO that flew right over my head, silently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was.
unidentified		What color was it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black, brown.
unidentified		Black, brown?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Black, black, black, black.
unidentified		Okay, how was it humongous?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Humongous, yes.
unidentified		How many feet up in the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 150 feet above my head, and my wife was with me at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We both watched it.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Flew right over our head.
		Just like in Close Getters.
		Blocked out the moon, the stars, and came directly over our heads.
		My one and only, and very close UFO experience.
		Just one.
		51 years old, folks, and one experience.
		But it was close up and real.
		And so I guess I decided I would report one of those things.
		Coming up at the top of the hour, this is CBC.
unidentified		CBC.
		CBC.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, hey, hey, hey, from the high desert.
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Arpell.
unidentified		Great to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've got about two hours of open lines ahead.
unidentified		And then.
unidentified		Well, then I'm off to an undisclosed Mexican resort community where I'm going to have fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to the lines we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Art?
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes, I'm wondering.
		When are you going to be on Dark Skies?
		Oh, I'll tell you all about that.
		I just love that, Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
		But there's a bit of a glitch, I'm sorry to say, and let me explain on the air now.
		I talked earlier today with Bryce Sable of Dark Skies, and here's the deal, folks.
		They offered me a, what do you call it, a lead part, not a lead part, but just under the lead.
		It would be not like last time, not a cameo appearance, but a sub, what is it, a sub-lead or something like that?
		There would have been very, very serious scenes involved, and there would have been two days of shooting.
		In the supporting role, my mom says.
		Supporting role.
		There would have been two days of shooting involved.
		It would have been next Tuesday and Thursday.
		Now, it's bad timing because I'm going, you know, I've had a trip planned to Mexico now for, I don't know, quite a while.
		And I'm going to be gone for the balance of the week back on Monday night, Tuesday morning.
		So obviously, having just taken some time off, to then have to turn around and go to Los Angeles on Tuesday and Thursday for the entire days and missing more days on the air, I didn't feel was appropriate, so I'm not going to do it.
		But I want to thank Bryce for the offer, and we will do it in a future episode.
		So obviously, I would have missed a lot of next week, and I could have done it, but I would have been gone too much, and I'm already going to be gone enough as it is.
		You may recall I had a trip planned similar to the one I'm about to go on, and that was when Mona got sick.
		My wife got sick with a very serious asthma attack.
		So that trip got canceled.
		This one we're intent on going on, and so that is the story with Dark Sky.
		So they are going to recast the part of William Paley for this episode.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi there.
		I just wanted to talk to Art Bell.
		That would be me.
		Oh, okay.
		Oh, neat.
		Okay, it's pre-recorded.
		I thought to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, dear, it is not pre-recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're live on the air now.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't listen to your radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off.
unidentified		Oh, I should turn it off.
		Okay.
		I just wanted to get your opinion on bullets, on ammunition.
		I think that a really solid place to start with, you know, with the, you know, I know that we have way too many weapons being produced every single day, and I know that the country is, you know, we all have the basic right as granted to us in the Constitution, the right to bear arms and protect ourselves and our loved ones.
		And what my point is, is that I think that people should be able to keep guns in their houses or in their cars, you know, albeit, you know, if only to protect themselves.
		But I don't believe that people should be able to walk around in public, you know, or have guns in any hidden fashion, in any way.
		And I think that people who even possess guns in their own automobiles, I think they should have a special tag on their license plate or something so that people would know that this particular person is ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know how bright an idea that is because if you had a notice on your car, wouldn't people then break into your car to get your gun when you were not in the car?
unidentified		They might have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you know what would happen?
		Well, why?
		I mean, there wouldn't be anybody in the car.
		So they'd break in and steal the gun because they'd know there's a gun there.
unidentified		Well, it may be a sample of a permit to carry a weapon, whether it's, you know, in the car or not.
unidentified		And also, I think that guns Should have to have a safety lock or a safety lock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's right.
		They're called safeties.
		They have them.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that you should have to have some type of a key or a code or something or voice command.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trouble with that is, thank you, that if you need a gun, you need it quickly.
		And some sort of key or lock.
		I can't imagine fumbling around with that in the dark when you're trying to use a gun to defend your life.
		With regard to concealed weapons, putting a little advertisement on the inside of your car or a decal on your butt, whatever the case would be, sort of defeat the idea of a concealed weapon.
		The idea of a concealed weapon is that it remain concealed so as to not disturb the public.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, all right.
		Somebody called you earlier tonight.
		He said something about one of the first attorneys for O.J. Simpson.
		His name is Robert Kardashian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was the one who was handed the bag or the suitcase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he said, no, that was some other attorney.
unidentified		Well, that's odd.
unidentified		Anyway, I was curious to know if you had a chance to use your telescope yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, to look at the moon and some other things, but not to see a hailbop.
		We've got a mountain range to the east that is between here and Las Vegas.
		And right now, Hailbop is in the early morning or late morning sky toward the east, just 10 or 12 degrees above the horizon.
		And so I've got to wait until it gets high enough.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Did you see the full moon by chance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, the full moon is not the best thing to view.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I thought it was.
		No, I could see like four silver structures.
		Kind of look like buildings from an airplane, like those metal ones you see on a farm.
		Yeah, what are those?
		Do you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're UFO hangars.
unidentified		UFO hangars.
		Now, I believe that because I could see a road, and there's a plateau.
		It looks like there's a tunnel going into it.
		And those buildings, they look like there's about, I'm just guessing I'd say about four or five miles apart in a perfect square, each building, perfectly lined up.
		And yeah, and then further to the north, on the, it'd be your left side looking at it from wherever you happen to be, you can see that road going up into there.
		And yeah, there's a big where the graves have their barracks.
		Is that what the okay, I believe it.
		I really do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Now, a half moon or even a quarter moon is better to look at.
		Full moons are not good for telescopes.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		This is Ken from Yakima, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		The question I wanted to ask you, since it is truly open lines tonight, I was wondering, I know you're doing your broadcast from your home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Always.
unidentified		And I was wondering, how about you do that?
		Do you have a regular studio in your house then?
		And is it beamed from, I mean, like from satellite to your house and have somebody pick it up then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have a studio here in my home, a room devoted for that.
		Actually, my room is three things.
		It is a broadcast studio.
		It is a ham radio and a computer station.
		So I've got all three here.
		And yes, the signal is beamed by satellite on what's called KU band from here to Oregon and then to New Jersey and then back up again and all over the place.
unidentified		I see.
		I see.
		Well, could you give me some clues as to how get started or some books to read on it or anything like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I don't think there are any books on it.
		I'll tell you how I got started.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just began hanging around a radio station till they got sick of me.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
unidentified		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, there are broadcast schools you can go to.
		I don't put a lot of stock in them.
		I guess they're okay.
		Oh, I see.
		So I just, you know, I hung around until they got sick of me and they gave me a job.
unidentified		Oh, that works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it worked for me.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Okay, thanks a lot.
		Appreciate your time, and you have a great show, and good luck on your vacation.
		And if I was you, I wouldn't go, since you say that you have such a past with such a past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An absolute history.
		I mean, you can almost depend on the fact that something of great magnitude is going to occur in the next few days while I'm on vacation.
		I mean, it's automatic.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd agree with you.
unidentified		And if I was you, I'd just stay home with your mother and visit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've been doing that for a week.
unidentified		Well, in any case, good luck and have fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		It always happens when I go on vacation.
		Now, I don't really understand the mechanics of that.
unidentified		Quantum mechanics, probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But something either tragic or big in some way always occurs.
		I'm just used to it.
		Now, maybe this will be the exception, and it'll be nice and quiet.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, hi.
		This is Kate from Dallas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Kate.
unidentified		And I have a, well, I guess a solution to your clone question.
		All right.
		Well, if you clone someone, then it stands to reason that tomorrow they're not going to be an adult size, so they're going to have to go through the growth process going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, yes.
unidentified		So you would, unless you're, I don't know, I guess you could stick them in a closet or in a lab somewhere and not know who they are, but otherwise you're going to have this basically a child that you have to raise, someone's going to have to raise a child before you could basically harvest anything, at least to a reasonable age.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a really horrible word.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Harvest.
unidentified		I agree.
		But I don't think that anyone could actually could logically do something like that.
		I mean, it just wouldn't make a lot of sense.
		Maybe if you're a child, if you had a child that was born that needed an organ or something like that, someone might consider that.
		I wouldn't personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you would not take from your clone.
unidentified		No, no way.
		No.
		But an interesting thing is, I wonder if people who have learning disabilities or other problems growing up, maybe they had a really rotten childhood or something like that.
		I wonder if they think that they could take their clone and raise their clone better than their parents did.
		So basically, they're raising themselves and see if there's a better outcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a very interesting scenario.
		Thank you.
		I would think that history would tend to repeat itself and that even though you would set out to raise your clone with all the benefits that you didn't have and all the love you didn't have or whatever it is you missed in your life, you would end up repeating the same history and doing to your clone as was done to you.
		Raising the question, do we really ever learn?
		Wildcard line, you're on here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Richard in Kelso, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Art, I have to apologize to you.
		I can't rest until I accept the record straight.
		I called last week and told you about an article about cattle mutilations in GQ magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I gave you a bum steer, pun intended.
		The first half of the article seemed to promote Linda Howe's ideas.
		And I had just read the first half of the article, and I went back the next day, and it was a hatchet job.
		They centered around Linda Howe.
		They did an extensive interview with her, the author did.
		But he completely turned around the second half of the article and insinuated that nothing Linda says can be believed because she doesn't give her tapes and books away, which is like saying don't believe anything a doctor tells you unless it's free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one question?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Is GQ magazine free?
		No.
		Oh, I read it in the library.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		One interesting thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is, do they sell GQ magazine or do they give it away?
unidentified		Oh, no.
unidentified		They sell it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sell it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, gee, I guess you could say the same thing about them then, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		One interesting thing I learned in this article was, did you know Linda Howe was in the Miss America pageant?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going, well, of course, she's a very beautiful woman.
unidentified		I've met her.
unidentified		She's very, very attractive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very attractive.
		Oh, yes.
		No, I'm going to ask her about that.
unidentified		I was wondering if you could get her Miss America swimsuit picture on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will ask her.
unidentified		I bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet I'll ask her next time I talk to her.
unidentified		You're auditing.
unidentified		I would like to see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, me too.
		All right, I'll ask.
		Thank you.
		You've got to be kidding.
		You've got to be kidding.
		Linda Howe was in the Miss American housing.
		What, representing Pennsylvania?
unidentified		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will definitely ask her, and if she has a swimsuit photograph or some memorabilia from that time, sure we'll put it up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Ark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing it.
unidentified		There you go.
		Was it silent?
		Absolutely, yes.
		Was it about the size of a football field or bigger?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, about 150 feet or more from point to point on the triangle.
unidentified		Oh.
		Wow.
		That could be like a silent Vulcan.
		It could be.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it?
unidentified		Well, I wanted to say that that's extremely rare in the United States to see one of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought so.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only time I ever saw one.
unidentified		300 stool in Great Britain, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And now, they had a report in Great Britain a couple years back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was there last year.
unidentified		Project Blue Book?
		Yeah.
		And the guy, the head guy there, determined that they were a threat to national security.
		Really?
		And the next day he was transferred.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No figures.
		All right, sir.
		Well, I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Project Blue Book in Great Britain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, they always get transferred.
		The evidence always gets confiscated.
		At the last minute, men in black run in and take it.
		First caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Bort.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I'm in Wilmington, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
		Yes, I am.
		Have you seen any 57 Chevys falling from the sky?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		The worst thing about that, though, is the story's making its rounds around the city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		All right, now what, you know, here's what I heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That something that actually a 1950s vintage automobile fell from the sky somewhere there near Wilmington, and that they cordoned off the whole area with many times the size of a cordon of a typical crime scene and wouldn't let anybody in.
unidentified		Now, what have you heard?
unidentified		Apparently it happened near the docks because we're primarily at the harbor area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, it happened where?
unidentified		Near the docks, where the ships come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		And that area is kind of, you know, really, people don't live down there.
		But a lot of longshoremen apparently saw something because it was all around the longshoreman hall the other day.
		And I heard people talking about it in the market this morning.
		Well, actually yesterday morning, then I heard you talk about it.
		And I realize it's important because Art Bell mentioned it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just, I got a facts which came through my publisher from a fellow in Oregon who knows the people down there, I guess, who saw it or somehow were involved with it.
		This is something I'm going to have to follow up on when I get back.
		But you're telling me the word is out there and circulating down in the Wilmington area.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		We're about 25 miles south of downtown L.A., and I've lived here my whole life, and we've always had UFO activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, can you hold on?
unidentified		Oh, no problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Stay where you are, and we'll come back to you after the break.
		1950s vintage automobiles falling from the sky.
		Not your everyday occurrence.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once again, here I am, and we're going to scoot back to our caller with reference to this car that appears to have fallen from the sky, or at least that is the story.
		Somebody just wrote me a fact and said, the 50s vintage automobile that fell on Wilmington just has to be an Oldsmobile Rocket 88.
		I don't know about that, but it is.
		What are people saying?
		I mean, do they identify the kind of car at all?
unidentified		These things are just a 50s car.
		Everyone has a different story.
		Obviously, you know, when people tell one person it turns into another car, I've heard primarily a Chevy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some figures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably a 57 Chevy.
unidentified		More than likely, yeah.
		But as I had mentioned, where it happened at is down at the shipping docks.
		Right.
		And Wilmington is what they call the heart of the harbor.
		Right.
		And pretty desolate down there at night.
		I mean, there's maybe some people working, but apparently it did happen because it's making the rounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen UFOs in the middle?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
		You have.
		I've grown up here my whole life.
		I'm 33, and one time when I was 15, I did see one hovering over our backyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you almost got to wonder if they didn't find, like, some couple in liplock in the back seat listening to Elvis.
		God, what a story.
		I'm telling you, it's getting to the point where nothing surprises.
		57 Chevies out of the sky, nothing surprises me anymore.
unidentified		Well, this is the same city that has a restaurant called the Chupacabra Restaurant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I'll send you a picture of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a Chupacabra restaurant?
unidentified		Well, it's not on the menu, but it's the name of the drawing of them on the side of the building.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		Chupacabra Restaurant, Steak, Rice, Pastrami.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's hard to tell about the nature of pastrami.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, sir.
unidentified		You're welcome, Barbara.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		They're at the center of the present controversy, Wilmington.
		We'll be into that next week, believe me.
		A 1950s vintage car falling from the sky.
		Anybody have any thoughts on that one?
		So there apparently is something to it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art Bell.
		Hi.
		Okay, let me grab my notes here.
		All right.
		First of all, I would like to say tonight, with Ron Goldman's dad, I would like to say to him, congratulations.
		I enjoyed his views of the whole trial throughout ever since this started.
		And wish him luck for the future and definitely hope everything goes good with that.
		And second, on January 23rd, there was supposed to be a special event happen.
		I think you had a couple psychics on like six months ago that predicted a major event to happen then.
		And I know that there was an earthquake down in Argentina like at 6.4.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		And was wondering if that's part of the chain of fire that's supposed to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a circle of fire, which goes up the west coast of the U.S. to the Orient, down near the Philippine Islands, and then back around to South America and on up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is where earthquakes occur.
unidentified		Okay, there you go.
		And two more things.
		The MCI girl, which you love, I think she is the star in the movie Uncle Buck.
		And second, and finally, Leanne Rhymes is just one of the greatest country stars ever.
		If you get a chance, go see her and possibly meet her because she is a very personal girl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I met my country star.
unidentified		That was Crystal Gale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		This is Dan in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Art in Peru.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		I have a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I might have an answer.
		Maybe not.
unidentified		Yeah, you may not.
unidentified		I'm confused about this O.J. Simpson thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What confuses you?
unidentified		I don't understand the difference between the criminal trial and the civil trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you lose the criminal trial, you go to jail or the electric chair or you get a local shop that sends you away.
unidentified		The defense for the civil trial should have been not guilty.
		Period.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what, sir?
unidentified		Been not guilty.
		Because he was found not guilty.
		So how can they find him liable for this one?
		I don't understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
		Well, that's the nature of civil litigation.
		In other words, you can sue anybody for anything.
		I could sue you because I don't like the sound of your voice.
unidentified		Oh, that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
		Well, it may not make sense.
		It may not make sense, but it is the way things are.
unidentified		Well, that makes sense because that's the way they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't much like your voice, and I may sue you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, anybody can sue anybody for anything, and you can then cause the other person to have to defend themselves.
		I happen to agree with a guest I had on the other day who thinks that losers should pay, and I think that would prevent a lot of frivolous suits of that sort.
		If the loser had to pay, you know, court cost, the other guy's cost to defend himself, the whole thing.
		I've always thought that.
		Loser ought to pay.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening.
		Good morning.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Both of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		I am calling from Seattle.
unidentified		My name is Ed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ed.
unidentified		I had a question for you, Annie.
		You'll know why, now that you've heard where I'm from.
		You said recently, I happened to have missed the shows until the time you had a guest on, I think, a few days ago who's predicting something happening on the West Coast soon.
		Can you give me a little more details on that?
		Dale, a fellow named Dale, or Davis?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major Ed Dames?
unidentified		Dames, indeed.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he wasn't predicting anything for the West Coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was predicting for the whole world.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		And what was he predicting or was he not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you will listen later this week, you will hear a repeat of that program.
unidentified		Okay, but you...
unidentified		He was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Including whatever green is in Seattle.
unidentified		Well, you know how green this city is.
		I do.
		So do you like it?
		What was the thing you were referring to that you thought might possibly happen while you're away because things always happen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I mean, I'm not referring to anything specific.
		It's just that every time I go away, something always happens.
unidentified		What kind of things have happened in the past?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the raid on Waco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example, I went on vacation, the raid on Waco.
unidentified		Remember that?
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That occurred while I was away.
		This last time I went on vacation, you know how I talk about odd and weird things, right?
		They announced they found life on Mars from a Mars rock.
		They announced that while I was on vacation, that was a big deal.
		Whatever it is, then there were several other instances.
		I mean, every single, over the years, whenever I've gone on vacation, something major occurs.
unidentified		Well, good luck to us all then.
unidentified		Have a wonderful trip, and we're going to have a wonderful week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Will, WLS, Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Will.
unidentified		How are you, sir?
unidentified		And I do hope you have a very enjoyable vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		It is kind of a little bit interesting that that nice man has predicted earthquakes.
unidentified		Hopefully, you're not near the coast there in Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly where they're predicted for, actually.
unidentified		Say, by the way, that fellow, somebody called me from California.
		I used to ship.
		I used to rebuild 59 Cadillacs.
		Did over 30 of them in my life.
		I wished I had some of them now.
		But anyway, claims that it's a 57 Cadillac Eldorado that has in the front seat an ET, and it's loaded with hemp, marijuana, and bamboo.
		I don't know if that's true or not, but it's rather interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that might be more believable if it had been a vehicle from the 60s rather than the 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right, Bus Driver Dave, retired bus driver Dave up here in Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's up?
unidentified		Oh, I've got a couple of questions for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire away.
unidentified		One, are you going to have a rebroadcast of yesterday's show later on this week?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't know.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		The other question, remember that Marine Corps joke I told you, oh, what, a year, year and a half ago to show your mom and your dad?
		Give me a chance to tell them?
		I don't remember.
		Got to tell it to you real quick.
		It's real clean.
		It'll get the good housekeeping seal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Young Marine Boot was walking down a hallway in Marines, and it was dimly lit, and he passed this lieutenant.
		And the lieutenant said, hey, mister, don't you believe in saluting officers?
		And Boot said, oh, I'm sorry, sir.
		I didn't see your rank.
		So he gave him a snappy salute, and the officer said, by the way, mister, there's no hallways in the Marine Corps.
		They're all passageways.
		And Boot said, yes, sir.
		And gave him the snappy salute.
		And they're walking off, singing.
		From the passageways of Montezuma, now isn't that Marine Corps logic?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		But things are as officers tell you they are, no matter what service.
		You just say yes, sir.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, good morning.
		You are.
		This is Pat from Hicksville, Long Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hicksville, Long Island.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Excellent.
		I know your mom's there.
		I was wondering if she likes Rosie O'Donnell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		And also, I want to give a big hug and a warm smile to your mom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's nice.
unidentified		And let's see here.
		On the left of me is my Levitron.
		On the right is listening to Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is your Levitron doing its thing?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		I've been able to only get it to go for about 245, 2 minutes, 45 seconds.
		I was wondering if it actually does go further than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there have been people who have achieved flights of up to five minutes in states of vacuum even longer than that, because it is the air friction that slows it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, the perpetuator is coming.
unidentified		Right, I heard it's $80.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't call them because it is not yet available.
unidentified		No, I know that.
		I checked out the website thing you had on your website, and I checked it out.
		And I know that they said that you could start ordering it now, but they won't start shipping until after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, see, they haven't even told me that.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe they're just taking gates.
unidentified		Yes, they are at this time, yes.
		Let's see here.
		I wrote down something.
		Oh, I've got a picture, if you want, of the stealth in Pasadena.
		I can send it to AOL.com for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd love that.
unidentified		Okay, I'll send you a JPG there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's artbell at AOL.com.
unidentified		Oh, of course.
		Of course.
		And let's see here.
		I wanted to know, have you ever heard of, what was it, Alex Bennett?
		He was at WPLJ-FM in New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a familiar name.
unidentified		Yeah, he's the one that started me on late-night radio when I was young and impressionable.
		And now that I've just turned 40, I...
		Yes, because I believe everything I hear on your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, you've got a problem.
unidentified		I know, and it's causing me a lot of problems with my friends because I'm not saying the sky's falling to them, but I'm saying, hey, keep your eyes open.
unidentified		Something may be happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you certainly want to keep your eye out for 57 Chevys.
		That'd ruin your day.
		All right, thank you very much for the call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Yes, can you hear me now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could hear you before.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		I wanted to find out about the Pili Mara, the play it in mission.
		I want to know, I'm sure you spoke of it before on your program, and I've just missed it.
		If maybe any of your remote viewers found or believe that it's legit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never asked.
unidentified		Never asked?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
unidentified		It was a curious book, and I just didn't know whether or not to take it seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got a really good Billy Meyer photograph, as a matter of fact, right in front of me from Randolph Winters.
		And it's one of the best Billy Meyer photographs ever taken, and I have it right in front of me at all times.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing there, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
		This is Frank up in North Carolina.
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was thinking about what's going to be the next thing that's going to be driving us crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think automobiles from the mid-50s dropping out of the sky.
unidentified		Well, that's another thing, but all these people going around now are going to be telling us how glad they are that the OJ trial is over.
unidentified		We're going to have to put up with that for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not too much.
		I mean, I'm not hearing a lot of it tonight.
		Maybe we're a sort of a refuge of, you know, an oasis, so to speak, in the desert of radio from all of that, but I imagine that's what everybody's talking about.
unidentified		Well, you've got a great show, Art.
unidentified		We appreciate you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But thank you.
		We have a different program.
		Generally, we don't talk about what everybody else is talking about.
		Frankly, I don't know what there is to say about this OJ thing anyway.
unidentified		What the hell are you going to say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This mitigates things a little bit, but it doesn't really, in my opinion, I don't jump up and down and say, see, justice, this is not justice for the death of two people.
		If that's what it is, no matter how you feel, whether you think he's guilty or innocent or whatever.
		If this, you know, it's being touted by the other side as some sort of justice, and I wouldn't go that far.
		It mitigates a terrible injustice just a little bit, but it doesn't suddenly supply justice.
		Uh-uh, uh-uh.
		East of the Rockies, you're on here.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm Omir.
		Okay.
		How are you doing there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing there.
unidentified		Oh, the best of the Bell family, the whole clan there, your mom.
		I did want to ask her a question about when you were a child, what was more fascinating to you with nature?
		Was it the skies, the desert, the forests, the ocean seas?
		Or could you remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At what age?
unidentified		Well, my child was five, and since he was born, he was fascinated by light.
		So he has a collection of flashlights.
		So I would say three, four, and five.
		Well, flashlights were cool, but tame.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tended toward things that were sort of dangerous.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But earth-wise, I mean, you know, I mean, light or the skies or, you know, something like, because your wife is very nature-blind, and yourself, you're out there in the desert and you like the dark skies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True, true.
unidentified		So I was wondering, did that start at an early age?
unidentified		One of my questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think fascination with things of this kind began at an early age, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'll make sure I'll keep up the good work with my little boy then.
		I was wondering, is it all possible with the shuttles, the Apollos and the marinas, everything that are in the sky, is there any way you can find out more about what each and every one represents or what effect they can have with our weather undergoing these major weather changes, if they have any effect, if this is sort of like a shuttle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happens is, you see, every time they launch a shuttle, it goes blasting through the atmosphere into outer space, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It obviously punches a hole.
unidentified		That's true.
unidentified		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're sort of like a moon.
unidentified		It goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And some of our good weather escapes into space.
		And we get worse, and the weather worsens and worsens and worsens.
		And you've got to admit, the weather's been getting worse, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there have been more shuttle flights, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So need I say more?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you are.
		Thank you very much for the call and have a good morning.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello?
		This is Jim from Lenore City, Tennessee.
		Is this Art Bill?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		I wanted to make a comment about the USO thing.
unidentified		What was that show several years back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I can't think of her name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you called me, Jim.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're blanking out, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the Tonight Show, Jim.
unidentified		Yes, it was on the Twitter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Several years ago.
unidentified		The actress, she got on there, she talked to Jimmy Carter and asked him point blank about the Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jimmy Carter saw UFO, you know.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, they said that, too.
		And he also saw her, Shirley McLean's who it was on the night show.
		And she saw, or she, well, yeah, President Jimmy Carter said everything that we suspect about Area 51 was true.
		Well, more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you know what?
		You know what I think?
		I think that if there is a great secret that is held from presidents and only given to certain presidents, they would not have told Jimmy Carter.
		Because when he ran for office, he promised that he would open up all the UFO files.
		Whatever it was there was to be told, Jimmy Carter, when he was running, said he would tell it.
		But then once he got in there, he didn't tell it.
		So what do we conclude?
		We conclude that either A, he was silenced, or B, they never told him.
unidentified		Well, supposedly when Charlie McClain was, he was telling Charlie all this, he said, if you tell anybody I told you this, I'll deny I said it.
unidentified		But that was the end of it, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate your call.
		Okay, thank you very much.
		Personally, I think they would have not told Jimmy Carter a thing.
		Now, would you have told Jimmy Carter anything?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is in celebration of the falling 57 Chevy or whatever it was.
		Here we go.
		place where there's a restaurant called the Chupacabra.
unidentified		They have seen the Chupacabra.
		After some tequila, he was dancing a la mada.
		He doesn't know where he has come from.
		Making all the Mexicans like a dum-dum.
		They say that little monkey.
		I think the whole story's just a little funky.
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		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got better days inside.
		She's trying to use it on you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and this will be my last hour for a few days.
		I'm headed down south for a while, folks.
		Gonna relax.
		Party a bit.
unidentified		Do whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have fun.
		All right, back to the lines.
		Open lines.
		Anything that's on your mind is fair game.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		Ed DeWhite again in Tennessee.
		All right.
		Enjoyed your bomb this morning, and everything.
		But I got a what else for you.
		All right.
		On this car that fell from the sky?
		Sure.
		What if it had been a 1947 model?
		Well.
		Do they ring a bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, yes, of course.
unidentified		Was it Roswell?
		Yes.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if it had been?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then everybody would suggest it would have something to do with Roswell, but it wasn't.
unidentified		You know, you wonder how it just really happened, you know.
unidentified		When I first heard it, I thought, yeah, probably somebody brought it back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, let's face facts here.
unidentified		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be some sort of time travel something or another.
unidentified		Well, maybe so.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, have a good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, thank you.
		I mean, who knows what it is?
		But it's the kind of thing that you know I will look into.
unidentified		Could it be?
		Yeah.
		It could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I had earlier information in the evening from somebody.
		And then I had a follow-up call here about an hour ago from somebody in Wilmington.
		And I guess the story is making the rounds in Wilmington.
		I'll confirm something's going on.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art Bill.
		Yes, sir.
		I love your show.
		This is Bill Connant from Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bill.
unidentified		Remember a few years ago that humming noise that was in Taos, New Mexico?
		Of course.
		There's something in Denver just like that now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Denver hum?
unidentified		Yeah, the Denver hum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's probably under the airport.
unidentified		Under the airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, DIA.
unidentified		Why do you say that, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know, because everything else is under DIA.
unidentified		A lot of stuff going on out there, huh?
		Yeah.
		The station that you're carried on KHOW, last week had several callers call in and ask Tom Martino, he's a troubleshooter, and asked him to investigate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what are you hearing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what are people in Denver hearing?
unidentified		Just like, Like a generator constantly going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to say about that.
		That is intriguing.
		I will try and follow up.
		Was there anything written in the local newspaper about it?
unidentified		Not in the Rocky Mountain news.
		I don't read the Denver Post, but not in the news.
		But I'm listening to it right now.
		It's just a hum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell the direction that it appears to be coming from?
unidentified		Yes, I can.
		It appears to be coming from the southeast.
		Because I'm in northeast Denver, but it's coming from the, it seems like the southeast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe something is chewing its way to the surface.
unidentified		I'm thinking there's some underground drilling or something, but then I heard your program on the HAARP.
		Yes.
		And I was wondering if there's some kind of ways that government experiment or something is going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's possible.
		I don't know.
		We'll see if we can get some more reports from Denver, all right?
unidentified		Thank you very much.
unidentified		I like your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as I said, maybe something is chewing its way to the surface in Denver.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, I think you're right.
		Oh, this is WKXY, Sarasota.
		I think someplace there's a time trapper who thinks his car has been stolen.
		Don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, who knows?
unidentified		It probably just fell through a street place in the time warp.
unidentified		We can find out more when we know what the plates are on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be helpful, but you know they're not going to tell us.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finally, they cordoned off the area, the story goes.
unidentified		Okay, well, now the more important things.
unidentified		Do mom and comet have an understanding?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So far, it's stay out of my way, and I'll stay out of yours.
unidentified		Oh, each other's space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, Comet is not yet used to other people.
unidentified		I know.
		I know.
		I know cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's afraid, and so he runs under the bed and stays there.
unidentified		Well, and then she respects his space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Okay, I love you guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Comet so far is kind of a one-person cat.
		Comet is my wild cat, and he's still...
		He'll let me hold him, or he'll sit on my lap.
		But whenever another person of any sort is around, he looks at them like, oh my God, you probably eat cats, don't you?
		And then he takes off.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey, Art, how you doing?
		Okay.
		Great show.
		This is Chris out in Denver.
		Yes.
		I don't know anything about the hum, so I'm not calling about that.
		But I kind of make some of my coworkers here at work listen to the show a couple times a week, and they think you're kind of strange.
		I am.
		I've been standing up for you until last hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, they're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am strange.
unidentified		Yeah, I know they're right, but I was standing up for you until you mentioned that thing last hour about the UFO hangers on the moon.
unidentified		You're going to have to explain that to me if you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just didn't disagree with the caller.
		That's all he was saying.
		That's why I said, yeah.
		Turn your radio off, sir.
		Okay.
		I'd appreciate that.
		And the other thing I want to You've still got the radio answer.
unidentified		I don't know how you can hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess I have good hearing.
		Can you turn that off?
		Can you turn it off for me?
unidentified		Yeah, they're turning it off right now.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can still hear it, so I'm going to have to leave the line, but I appreciate the call.
		Now, the deal is that you've got to learn about my sense of humor.
		I say things to people with a straight face, which I intend to be humor, and if you don't know me, you won't know that.
		But I mean, what else am I supposed to say?
		I mean, hangers on the moon.
		Give me a break.
		I don't think so.
		I've been looking at the moon.
		I haven't seen them.
		I've got a nice telescope.
		I can actually look down inside craters.
		And I haven't seen any.
		So I just agreed with them.
unidentified		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I was doing it in dry humor, but you may not have caught that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		Good.
		I'm up here in Davidson, Saskatchewan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saskatchewan?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was thinking, you had a lady on a little while back talking about a disease that the Army caught while they were in Iran during this storm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Have they looked into the people that came after, like the oil riggers?
		They cleaned all that mess up over there.
		That's right.
		Were they infected?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a very, very good question, and I don't have the answer, but the next time I have Joyce Riley on, I will ask.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just wondering, because, you know, if they didn't bring the equipment back, then there was a reason for that, because it was contaminated, and if it is contaminated, then these fellas would have caught too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what I do know.
		Thank you.
		I know that they had a lot of lung problems, which would be expected from all the smoke that was in the air.
		I think there was not a bunch of chemical dispersal that I'm aware of in Kuwait, and that's where the oil fires were.
		Set, you'll recall, as Saddam withdrew his forces in haste.
		So I don't know how much chemical or biological exposure there was in Kuwait in the oil fields, but there certainly was a lot of lung disease.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Chuck in Kansas City.
		Hello, Chuck.
		I was listening to one of your old pal Mike Burphy the other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And he read the new edict for the emergency broadcast service on the air.
unidentified		Have you heard or had a chance to see that yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't because that applies to people that work at radio stations, and I don't work at one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what was the substance?
unidentified		Maybe one of your board ops or something will send you one.
		Be kind enough to send you one.
		The wording that he read directly from it on the new one that took effect January the 1st said part of it, and I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember exactly, but it said situations in which the emergency broadcast system might be activated included but were not limited to imminent nuclear attack, asteroid strikes, or widespread terrorism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all of that would make sense.
unidentified		That's true, but I don't think the asteroid strike was in the last one.
unidentified		I always have to kind of wonder, is this more of that preparatory stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that it is.
		And there's something obviously going on with asteroids.
		Movies, fictional literature, real-life reports of asteroids beginning to get closer and closer, more likely to strike.
		They're telling us you're more likely to be killed in your lifetime by an asteroid than you are a car.
		Did you know that?
unidentified		I hadn't heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
unidentified		Huh.
		Okay, well, thank you very much.
		You might get a chance to see that sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		So the new EBS dictates, as of January 1, include the possibility of an asteroid headed toward Earth.
		Isn't that something?
		You're going to be hearing a lot about asteroids in the coming month or two.
unidentified		Believe me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I still can't help but wonder how the people at NBC, it is NBC that's running that, feel about the headlines about the asteroid, the near-Earth asteroid that they're still not sure about.
		They must just be jumping up and down in not-so-silent joy over the news.
		Because imagine what it's going to do for that movie.
unidentified		Or was it hopefully?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing, Ark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		Yeah, I figured from the sounds of things.
		This is Andy in Fairview Heights, listening to you on 880, W-I-N-U.
		Where is that?
		That's in Highland, Illinois, which is east of St. Louis, I don't know, by about 15 miles.
		Very good.
		Something like that, I'd have to look at him, yeah.
		But it gives me good signal here.
		And at least they're doing the whole five hours, which is more than I can say for some stations, especially the big ones.
		890, they took off here, Dreamland.
		I have friends in Columbus, Ohio.
		You know, they're dying for a few.
		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have yet to add it.
unidentified		Say, you haven't heard anything on Michael Markham, I take it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Mike Markham, or Madman Markham.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, but I'll be checking on that one, too, when I get back.
unidentified		Is there a way that I could find out from you how to find him?
unidentified		He's in Kansas City, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Outside Kansas City.
unidentified		Okay, well, it's about five hours from here, I think.
		Something like that.
		You know, I got a pretty good camera.
		I'd really like to talk to this guy myself.
		Get some schematics or something.
		Under my machine, whatever it takes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean while he's still around to give them.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I would also like to see a schematic of what he has built.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question, and I'll see if I can get a hold of them.
unidentified		It sounds like...
unidentified		Wow, that sounds even better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's that?
unidentified		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		John, nice talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good talking to you, sir.
		Take care.
		Yeah.
		Mike Markham.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Arch.
unidentified		This is John in Chico, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		I have a kind of mundane question for you.
		Yeah, I guess it just had to do with all the reminiscing that you were doing earlier in the show with your mother.
		I was wondering how you came to settle in a place called Peruque, Nevada, and what it's like to live there.
		What's the topography?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's about 23,000 population now, so it's grown tremendously.
		It is very serious desert.
		It's not far from Death Valley.
		I came to live here because I originally lived for almost a decade in Las Vegas, which is about 65 miles from here.
		And Las Vegas got to be too big for me.
		It was well over, it's now well over a million people.
		And that's a big city.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this looked like the closest, and I commuted for a long time between here and Las Vegas.
unidentified		Do you have a high unemployment rate in Prump or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Nevada has a very generally low unemployment rate.
		And I believe that Nevada, as a general rule, has the best economy in the nation.
unidentified		Okay, well, I just wanted to try to get a picture of where you were, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you can close your eyes and see real desert, high mountains, and lots of cactus, that's us.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thanks, Leather.
unidentified		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're out here in the middle of the Sirius desert.
		Or as it was put on Strange Universe, my neighbors are lizards and, I forget what else, coyotes.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Erd.
		This is Dawn in Campbell, California.
		And I would just like to say to a lady that called about an hour ago or so about the Constitution giving us a certain right.
		In her case, it was the right to keep and bear arms.
		Yes.
		Actually, the Constitution doesn't give you that right.
		That right exists before the Constitution.
		And if you read the amendments carefully in the Bill of Rights, they don't give you rights.
		They recognize the rights that are preexistent.
		But I was thinking that you probably went to the William Jefferson Clinton School of Constitutional Law.
		And that's where she got an idea like that.
		But you know, the other thing is I wonder what as far as concealed firearms go, and you made this point last night that, you know, in states where this has been tried, and over two dozen states now it has been tried, crime rates have gone down and gone down more than they have on a national basis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		And I think my guest made the point best of all.
		He said, the way to know that it is a success is that you're not hearing anything.
		Because if it was a failure and if the gun Control nuts could point to failures and bodies in the streets and that sort of thing.
		You'd be hearing about it all over the place, and you're not.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
		And back in Florida, when they first started the whole idea back in 1987, I think it was about 10 years ago, there were a lot of predictions in the state legislature that this was going to result in massive bloodshed and everything else.
		And it was going to be like a Dodge City situation.
		I've talked to the Florida Secretary of State myself, and I can tell you that there is no big crime problem over there.
		And you can read the studies, and you've made the point before.
		So anyway, thanks for your help on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you for your call, and you're absolutely right, and so is my guest.
		Take care, sir.
		That's right.
		You would have heard all kinds of things about it by now, but you haven't.
		And that certainly has meaning.
		Lots of meaning.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		I wanted to make sort of a statement and a comment about Kit's games.
		Sure.
		I guess, or the question, I said, a question or a comment.
		The question is, if he's basically saying the world is going to end in one year, why does he need to make so much money, thousands of dollars on his classes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, now he's selling the video tapes, as far as I know, very reasonably.
		So his classes have been booked through 1998.
		But I mean, when you think about that, most of the people booked won't make it.
unidentified		And also, I've heard you make comments about having stock and all that.
unidentified		Why do you need to have stock if you think the world's going to end in a year?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the other hand, why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What difference does it make, right?
unidentified		I'm just wondering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the world doesn't end, the market's probably going to go up and I'll make money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the answer.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Hey, 40 years, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm hedging my bet.
		Hold on.
		We'll come back to you after the break.
unidentified		We'll come back to you after the break.
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		Now, here again, Art Bell.
		Getting myself in the mood for Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and you're listening to the CBC Radio Network.
		All right, back to it we go.
		Final segment, and thank you for waiting.
		You're back on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes.
		Yes, I guess my comment is this.
		I believe that Ed James is absolutely correct when he states that we have a major environmental crisis today.
		So do I. My God, we have 12,000 cheetahs left in the wild.
		We have the rhino on the verge of extinction.
		They say that it used to be once PC 3,500 years ago, and I think now it's about 500 a year, most of them in the rainforest.
		My fear is that man is carrying off of something that when one year comes and goes, a lot of people are going to say, oh, well, we're going to tie into the environmental movement.
		It's all hoax.
		I'm not going to believe any of it anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		And that's my major fear.
unidentified		The environmental movement has been so maligned by those who would profiteer off its exploitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of it is the fault of the environmentalists themselves because they have many times gone off the deep end.
		I agree with you.
		We have a severe environmental problem, but some of the criticism is justified because they've gone too far.
		And they've many times picked up causes that were, frankly, asinine.
		And that does their cause harm because there is a real environmental problem.
unidentified		Here's a real environmental problem.
		Paul Ehrlich, who is a professor at Stanford University, has recently written a book.
		I'm trying to remember what the name of it is.
		But anyway, it's about the rash of anti-environmental proposed science that's out there saying, well, there's really nothing going on.
		There's nothing wrong.
		And these scientists are paid and bought for by big business to make everybody feel there's really no crisis at all.
		And just consider this.
		We have almost 6 billion people on the planet.
		They say in 30 years, the population is going to double.
		Now, right now, we're cutting down forests for the 6 billion people.
		We're extincting species.
		What's it going to be like in 30 years when we double the population?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're like the frog, thank you, in the slowly boiling pot of water.
		And because we have such a mortal life, it's so short.
		We don't think in great leaps ahead.
		But this caller is absolutely right.
		In another 30 years, if you could jump out suddenly, time travel and look at 30 or 50 years from now, I think you'd be very disappointed indeed.
		But a lot of people don't care because they're not going to be around.
		It's the nature of the human being to do that, to not care.
		That's just the way it is.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I enjoyed your show with your mother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I usually call and joke around with you and have something off the cup, not too serious to say.
		And tonight I got something serious to ask you and your listeners.
		All right.
		The day after the Super Bowl, my mother went into the hospital to have a biopsy done.
		And today is the day that we find out the results.
		So I'd like everybody in your listening audience to say a prayer for my mom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure will.
unidentified		And hope it works out okay.
unidentified		I'm really worried about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope it works out okay, too.
		Those are always terribly stressful times.
		I've gone through it myself.
		My mom has gone through it.
		Her sister has gone through it.
		And I don't know of any family that hasn't.
		So I wish you luck and your mom luck.
		But generally, usually, hopefully, things will work out all right.
		Either way, and sometimes, you know, a biopsy can come back with a negative result.
unidentified		You want the B-word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can still live through it.
unidentified		Hey, have a good time on your vacation.
unidentified		I vicariously live through your vacations because I never gave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
unidentified		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a fairly infrequent thing for me too, although more frequent in the last year or two.
		You know, I work a fairly serious work week, six days, and there is a fair amount of stress involved in doing what I do.
		And so occasionally, you've got to kind of let go and unstress.
		I sort of live my work in the sense that don't let anybody fool you while working at home is a wonderful thing to do.
		There is a downside to it, and the downside is that you're never away from work.
		And my telephone rings, well, you wouldn't want to know how frequently my phone rings.
		And between doing the show, preparing for the show, talking to all the various people that I talk to because of newspaper articles and interviews, and you name it, the workload is pretty much all waking hours.
		And so to get away from that literally requires being out of touch.
		If I'm not out of touch, you know, if I can get to a telephone, besides I'm weak, I always answer phones.
		I always read faxes.
		I always read email.
		You get the picture.
		That goes on all waking hours.
		So occasionally, you've got to break away and just plain, absolutely get out of touch.
		Otherwise, it is not a vacation.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art, I'm back.
unidentified		I finally got a good sell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead.
unidentified		Tried to call earlier.
		Simplify to your mom once again.
		Yes.
		I just wanted to call and let you know, I went through or started to go through that one ritual that these other recruits had gone through.
		Yes.
		Problem was, at that time, I was a third-degree black belt in karate.
		My natural instinct was to fight back, and I did.
		By the time I got three of them on the ground, the other four guys that were in there with me were helping me fight back.
		I almost got in trouble for it until the other guys decided to speak up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad it worked out well for you.
unidentified		It wasn't that ritual was never meant to be that way for the Marine Corps.
		It was meant to be a ritual where they come in, you know, put the pen on you, touch you, salute you, congratulations.
		But it turned out to be a really bad situation for the Marine Corps.
		And I hope this Secretary of Defense gets things taken care of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do too, sir, and thank you very much for the call.
		I'm glad you made it back through.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, howdy, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing.
unidentified		Hey, sir.
unidentified		Pleasure to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You ought to send out a lollipop or something like that for anybody that reaches your limit.
		It's really a short.
		But I'm in Hoodyer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		KABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And I worked the San Pedro Wilmington area for 13 years, building inspector out there in the city of Los Angeles.
		Yes, sir.
		And we're in that more or less a flight pattern from airplanes that come in from the east.
		And I was just wondering if somebody doesn't have a rewa.
		I'm very embarrassed about losing that car off of one of these airplanes in that area.
		That's more or less where the airplane is going in and out of the...
		Shipping it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shipping it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're not supposed to fall out of airplanes.
unidentified		No, they're not supposed to fall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very bad for them.
unidentified		Very bad.
		That's a real interesting area at Wilmington, San Pedro Harbor.
		It's a beautiful area.
		It's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to find out more about this.
unidentified		Hey, where are you going in Mexico?
unidentified		For two?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather not say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, undisclosed locations.
unidentified		Yeah, that's good.
unidentified		Enjoy it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Take care.
		I don't know what you said.
		I don't speak Spanish, but I appreciate the sentiment, I think.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Ark.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I wonder if someone around the Portland area Would call in with an answer for me.
unidentified		I understand there they're paying bounty for squafish, and here in western Colorado, we just spent $1 million last summer to build a fish ladder for squafish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand what you're saying, a fish ladder to save them, and they're paying bounty for it in Portland?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would they pay bounty for a fish?
unidentified		That's what I'm anxious to know.
		And I think, you know, we're shelling out money on both ends here.
		For the federal government, the environmentalists are.
		So I wonder if somebody in that area has an answer to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll ask.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
unidentified		Have a nice vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		We will ask.
		I have no idea.
		Think of all the money you could make, though.
		Trap them at the top of the ladder, send them to Portland and sell them.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's Don in Birmingham, Alabama.
		I want to wish you a good vacation.
		Thank you all to your mother.
		And did you ever find out the name of that song that you close out with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Isn't that horrible?
		I did not.
		I'm sorry.
		I think it's from Apuramac 1.
unidentified		Who?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Puramac 1 is the name of the album by Cusco.
unidentified		A Puramac 1?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Puramac, yes.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By Cusco.
unidentified		Well, I'm a former Marine, and I know the bloodline you come from, and I think it's expressing itself quite well in your radio career.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		With a psych background, I'm sure you're going to stay on top of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll certainly see what I can do.
unidentified		And I've been through Perump on my way to Death Valley to run a 100-mile marathon back in 88, and back then it was like less than 5,000 people.
unidentified		I know it's up to around 28,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		23,000, according to the newspaper last week.
unidentified		Well, that's quite a bit of growth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		It's still pretty rural, though, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it will be for some time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this valley is about twice the size of the Las Vegas Valley, where there are a million people.
unidentified		Yeah, you said well water, though, huh?
		Yes.
		I thought they have a water supply in that town?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, under the ground, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have one of the largest underground aquifers in the whole U.S. You dig down about 30 feet to hit water.
unidentified		Oh.
		Oh.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Sounds good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is good.
		It's delicious.
		You could bottle it and sell it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air, huh?
unidentified		Bart Bell, the Italian stallion, with the answer of that woman for the squawfish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, what's going on?
unidentified		Well, a few years ago, what was going on was the squawfish was eating all the salmon and steelhead eggs.
		And we have plenty of salmon up here in Steelhead, which is plentiful, and they were eating and destroying all the habitats.
		So they were actually a predator fish, and that's why they were given at least, I think a couple summer ago, they were given about five bucks for a fish, for a squawfish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, what a rocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can go out there where they've got the fish ladder to save the squawfish.
unidentified		Yeah, a lot of fishermen were making $3,000 or $4,000 in two or three months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah, so those were really good fishermen.
unidentified		But that's all I wanted to say, and have a good vacation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Short, though it's going to be, I'm hoping it will be a good one indeed.
		You know, you could seems like instead of killing them, since they're rare and apparently wanted in Colorado, why not catch them in Portland and send them to Colorado?
		You know, that would work because people catch them in Portland and turn them in for the money, I guess.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I wanted to ask a question.
		In 1959 in 60, I was restricted to the island of Guam by the Navy.
		I drove a crash truck there.
		In mid-afternoon one day, I was setting on the flight line, and I had a CB on the truck, and I caught a radio station, probably the strongest at that time, from Del Rio, Texas.
		I don't recall the call letters.
		They always come on at nighttime when I was in the States.
		And it came over just as clear as an Art Bell, you know, at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah, on Guam and that's a long way.
		My question was, what direction does radio signals travel with the air or from east to west?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a very difficult question to answer, but listen on the air.
		Radio signals propagate at night by the ionosphere.
		In other words, they bounce off the ionosphere.
		But how you would possibly receive something at 2 o'clock in the afternoon down on the standard broadcast band is totally beyond me.
		Particularly out to Guam, that doesn't make sense.
		Now, there are strange conditions, but that one really is strange.
		So I can't tell you how that propagation could have occurred.
		I have no idea.
		With regard to directionality, that varies.
		Some stations are directional with varying schemes.
		Other stations are non-directional and broadcast equally in all directions.
		It just depends.
		But 2 o'clock in the afternoon from Del Rio to Guam, even with all that saltwater for the assistance of propagation, I don't think so.
		But anything could be.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		Hi.
		This is Robert from the San Joaquin Valley, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a few quick things to mention to you.
		But first, I want to tell you I'm sending you a letter.
		Notice the stamp On it.
		On the reverse side, there's a sparkly kitten.
		But inside of it was an article about the space cap with a picture of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will definitely look for that.
unidentified		I'll have that in the mail tomorrow.
		Okay.
		And I wanted to suggest that when you go to Mexico, if you take a pair of binoculars with all of the sightings down there, you may find something interesting to look at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm way ahead of you.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		You're not taking your telescope, are you?
		No.
		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a bit of a burden, you know, but binoculars, yes.
unidentified		Well, one of the things I wanted to mention quickly is that when you say goodnight, you have a lot of interesting listeners, and I've been told from good authority that you have many listeners from the Federation of the Galactic Federation.
unidentified		And if you were to say something in recognition of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do.
		I mean, I say goodnight, Cosmos.
		You've got to cover the Galactic Federation.
unidentified		Well, you may have many interesting listeners that someday they may give you a gesture of appreciation of your show.
unidentified		And the last thing I wanted to touch on, truth or trash, you may find my story someday interesting if I get on the program to tell it because I'm the gold miner from Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's intriguing.
		All right.
		Well, I'll look forward to that.
unidentified		I hope some evening I can get through, and I wish you a very pleasant trip, sir.
unidentified		I look forward to your return and hearing about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art Kevin Smacula.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		Hey, with the major, now, is he kind of let us know if he finds Taylor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
unidentified		Well, he said 10 days.
unidentified		When was that program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About three or four days ago.
unidentified		Okay, so you'll be back in time to let us know.
		Well, of course.
		Okay, Art.
		I'm just checking.
		Don't get upset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not upset.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm in the best mood I could possibly be.
unidentified		Hey, have you ever remote viewed Bigfoot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never asked.
unidentified		Okay, you've got to ask him that.
		I do?
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		Please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
		Thanks.
		Have a good time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		See you later.
		First time caller line here on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Is this Arbel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm the only one here.
unidentified		Hi, how's it going?
unidentified		It's going to be JT from KABC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JTKABC.
unidentified		Yeah, I was appreciating your interview with Major Deans on Thursday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I had to only got a couple hours' sleep.
		I had to stay in line for Star Wars the next day.
		By the way, did you get a chance to see that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course I've seen Star Wars many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're talking about the new improved version, no, not yet.
unidentified		Oh, not yet, huh?
unidentified		It's pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a lot of change?
unidentified		Yeah, there is some changes.
		They changed some scenes in the beginning, and they entered a few scenes as far as Job of the Hut's concerned.
		But anyway, I don't want to ruin it for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Anyway, just want to appreciate that.
unidentified		I was wondering if I have an idea if Richard Hoaglin would possibly incorporate some of Danes' stuff when he goes to check out the pyramids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a thought.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I will when I go to check out the pyramids, October 1.
		I can't wait.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, Rick from Glendale, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glendale, and again, K-A-B-C-Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
		Just wanted to wish you a wonderful trip there.
		I realized we're just about to end the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as a matter of fact, you're going to end it.
unidentified		Yes, right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, from the Southlands.
unidentified		And from Glendale, California to Canada and to the cosmos and all around the world.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good night.
		And to the Galactic Federation specifically, all of you guys and gals.
		Not sure if that's proper.
		Good night.
		Anyway, to all of you everywhere, good night.
		See you in a few days.
		Off to Mexico.
		Back shortly.
		Won't be a long one.
		Take care.

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