John Hogue, author of The Millennium Book of Prophecy, examines Nostradamus’s "quantum futures" theory—where events like King Henry II’s death could have shifted history—and predicts humanity’s collapse by 2030 due to overpopulation (20B projected) and ecological strain, including Chernobyl-style reactor failures by 2001. He ties biblical plagues to modern threats like pollution, disease, and nuclear fallout, warning of a UN-driven "One World Government" by 2025 amid extraterrestrial discoveries. Hogue dismisses fear-based skepticism as resistance to collective unconscious truths, urging meditation and personal reflection to prepare for inevitable upheaval. [Automatically generated summary]
Nostradamus, the complete prophecies, uh the first examination of all 1,477 prophecies and prophetic letters of Nostradamus.
And now, due to be released in May and June of 97, I already have my copy right here, the Millennium Book of Prophecy.
And it examines not just Nostradamus, though it does that in detail, but Edgar Casey and so many others, a sort of compilation of all of those who have seen.
Well, I started off in my adult life as an opera singer.
And in those moments of ecstatic singing, with the orchestra raging and all of that, I would have moments of almost a spiritual experience while singing.
And it became, after a time, more interesting to me to study what was the nature of that inside myself.
And so I left opera and began a search that took me about three times around the world and continually takes me traveling around the world to examine religious movements, prophetic and paranormal education, in an attempt to seek the truth about myself and the mystery of the universe.
Yes, and I think we all have different ways that happens to us.
Some people have the experience while running.
Some people have it while making love.
Some people have it in many other ways.
We have these little accidental moments where we kind of expand beyond what we know and what we've been conditioned to be and have a glimpse of something much bigger than ourselves.
Well, yes, in a way, he's a very unique character in the realm of prophecy because unlike any other tradition or author of prophecies, he made great efforts to obscure himself.
And it wasn't just for the difficulties that he had as a man living in the High Renaissance counter-Reformation period with a thought of religious intolerance.
It was also set up to create a device, if you will, that keeps us arguing and discussing and wondering and scratching our heads about his prophecies.
So to give an idea of how accurate he has been is difficult because to give you one example, in his own time, he became famous for predicting the death of his king, King Henry II of France.
It was such a well-known prophecy.
He was sort of like Gene Dixon predicting Kennedy years before his assassination.
He left with his head on his shoulders, so obviously he explained himself well.
And although we don't have a record of what he actually said to the king, there are enough prophecies in his writings that show that he made about 20 predictions concerning an alternative future for Henry II, where he would unite France and northern Italy and become the second Charlemagne of Europe.
Now, he didn't do any of that, but he did die in the Johnston accident.
Which makes me think that one of the aspects of Mustadas' obscurity that has not been thought of often by astonishment is that Mustadamus is writing quantum futures.
That 800 or 900 of his prophecies that seem impossibly open to interpretation of security could have been quite clear to us today if Henry had not died in the Jotsing accident.
For instance, if he hadn't died, the House of Valois might have lived 100 years.
It would not have been a French Revolution or Napoleon.
And Napoleon not existing would not have created the situation that created Adolf Hitler and the German unification.
And so on and so on.
All the things that we hold as our history would have been completely eradicated by one choice of a major leader 400 years ago.
Well, we have at least 1,800 more years of history.
The world is supposed to be destroyed by the expanding sun in the year 3797.
And he implies that the human races will be living off this world long before and after that.
So he explains they may be living on constellations of cancer and Aquarius.
He seems to talk about two great exoduses.
That one goes to Aquarius, which is almost in the opposite side of the zodiac, of the ring of constellations around the Earth, to the group that goes to Cancer.
And it seems like the ones that go to Aquarius don't do very well, but the ones that colonize SARS in the constellation of Cancer live on for time immemorial, forever, being allowed.
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Thank you.
To go elsewhere before its native planet in the normal cycle of things is restored.
Yes, it's an important thing for an intelligent bank to keep challenging itself.
Something people should bear in mind the next time we're talking about the NASA project.
Indeed.
Indeed, I mean, I grew up, my parents were really great about allowing me to stay home from school.
Yes, if it doesn't shut down suddenly, just before it gets there, it'll be very intriguing to see if Richard Holdland's theories will be proven by objective data.
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Well, I'll tell you, a couple of them certainly have done very well of recent days.
One is finding ice on the moon, and the other is Europa, which has now been said to have actual oceans on it.
Now that we've become a global civilization, certain traditions, no matter how hallowed they are to us today, are fossilized in, would not be good to use in what's coming, in the new era.
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And the prophecies turn over basically a new existence of cunning.
Now, the difficulty is that to get more down to earth with our problems, there's a lot of prophecies, especially in Nastadhamas, about global famines caused by too many mouths to feed on our planet.
Without having Nastodamas tell us this four centuries ago, we just have to listen to Lester E. Brown talk about it in his article about who will feed China.
And by 2030, China will require all the exports of grain that we currently have in the world in 1996.
In a few years, he says that the greatest challenge that humanity will face is to feed itself each year.
So when we look at that, and then we look at this feeling that now the Cold War is over, and in Millennium Books of Prophecy, I used to talk about how now that the Cold War is over, everybody wants to have an American dream of consumerism and its resultant pollution.
If that were to happen, by 2025, you would have to build a nuclear power plant every week to match the terawatts that would be needed for that.
So one thing's for certain, it's not going to happen.
We're not going, everybody's not going to have the American, the juicy, dripping American slice of consumer pie.
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Well, something will then have to get in the way of all of that.
Well, we'll have to, we will be challenged to, you know, I often think there are so many prophecies about that there are three world wars to be waged.
Many great prophets have talked about that.
But I have a feeling that the third world war does not have to be a war against each other.
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That we have a choice.
That it can be a war against our stupidity.
It could be a war against our excess.
It could be a war against our past.
In a situation where they are basically collapsed, I think that the innate desire of the human heart at this time will the majority of us to protect the unknown, brace it, celebrate it, and change the way we've been behaving.
I'm a subscriber, John, to this population business.
We have concentrated in the cities so as to be able to provide services.
In the city, it's very clear, John, that we are in our shooting robberies where people used to take money and back out of the door and now just shoot the guy for the fund of it.
Many Native Americans and Aboriginal peoples of other cultures have told me that they foresee an energy gain in the world's Psychic energy for about 35% for the next 30 years.
And that it peaks probably around 2012, around the time of the mind calendar reaching the end of its cycle.
And what it simply means is that people will have more energy to play with than they've had before.
And the choice will be for each individual to use that energy for inner transformation or to hold on to the past, to either be 35% more in anger and rage or 35% more repressed, or to use that energy to be 35% more informed on themselves and how they relate to their world.
So something that Alvin and Heidi Tolkert was talking about in one of their recent books may very well happen, that we as generation gaps begin in the 1960s, but by the 2020s, we may have a humanity gap between human beings that wish to hold on to death.
Opposed to those human beings who want to create a new humanity and will create it and separate from the other humanity that wishes to hold on unto death, to what they know.
It will be a blend, because the age that we're entering in predictive astrology is the Aquarian age, and Aquarius is ruled by paradox.
So it is.
Some people will choose to learn to dance with their opposites and make them complimentary, the opposite ideas, and other people will choose to be polarized.
I have a whole chapter in the Millennium Book prophecy called The Lemming Kingdom, which reviews the seven final plagues of the book of Revelation and shows parallels in other traditions.
And I would say that in a certain degree, those seven final plagues are with us today.
I mean, I came to this, my background with this is kind of unorthodox.
I used to be a pest controller in Eastern Oregon.
And there was a community city that was established out there.
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And the area had all these mobile items and all this quite a few feet, unfortunately.
You look at any child who's born as like an enlightened being, a little Buddha coming to the world.
You meet that child again in 10, 15 years, and he's a crushed mediocrity.
And it's like in some way, the civilization has function.
I won't say it was its work, but I will say it has functioned by keeping people repressed from their own innate genius and their ability to perceive the whole picture.
Certainly it was a beautiful thing in the 1920s when great breakthroughs happened with polio and other diseases, but nobody really thought it out.
They sat back and said, hey, if we suddenly increase life expectancy, but we do nothing to balance that out with a population control regimen, look what's going to happen to us.
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Then there's one other thing, and I'd like to run this by you, John.
I'm reading a book presently by Michael Cricney, his latest.
And in it, he has a very, very interesting scenario, and it is as follows.
The internet, which is growing now, as you know, by leaps and bounds, is going to turn not just our society, but all societies into a great mediocrity.
He suggests that you take a few birds and you put them on an island, and they will very quickly evolve of necessity.
You take many, many birds and put them in a large landmass, and they will evolve very, very slowly.
You put three people on a committee, you get something done.
And he's suggesting that the internet will cause the same top 10 books to be read, the same top ideas to be thought about worldwide, and that the interconnection of the world will ultimately result in its demise.
Well, Delmas has really concerned several prophecies about the great loss in learning that he saw around the turn of our century and onward.
And a lot of Mrs. Agos prophecies talked about how when the day comes when you have implants that you can plug in internet through your mind, many of the disciplines that believe and think you think about when we can take a when it's all done for us and become quite stupid in a certain way.
One thing that I keep seeing prophecies in the next century is that the religions as we know them will fade away and be replaced by what seems to be a science of self-observation, which will be the wing that's missing in the bird of science, if you will.
We have the wing of objective science, the measuring of matter and phenomenon, and then we'll have a new wing that will fill the void left by religions and dogmas, and that is the science of meditation or self-observation.
And I thought, well, how, you know, it's one thing to hear or read about prophets saying the end result, but I'm always intrigued with the bridge that gets us to there, either bridges to utopia or doomsday.
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Well, you said before the top of the hour, we are now, you believe, in the seven final plagues.
Well, the seven final plagues are paralleling what the book of Revelation says, but with other prophets.
I would interpret it to mean the first disease, if you will, is that the breakout of immune systems was not done at the time of the world.
That is followed by the second dis-ease, which is the pollution of the world's drinking waters and the ocean by oil flakes, pollution.
The third dis-ease would be the hidden poisons that we have put into our atmosphere and into our water table through nuclear power plants, 1,500 nuclear detonations in rehearsal for the Third World War, which actually has been the Third World War for the Fourth World, the Indigenous peoples, because we've set most of the bombs off on their land.
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Well, you know, John, I've been wondering about these deformed frogs.
There was a big headline in our Las Vegas paper here recently about the farm carp in Lake Mead, which is only the drinking water for Las Vegas and much of Southern California.
There are, to just read one, Prophet Emma Kuntz from the, she said this back in the late 1930s.
She says there will be plagues shaped like pencils that will take men into space and by so doing, punch holes in the atmosphere, letting in lethal cosmic rays that will kill many millions.
And there are many other references even back to the Middle Ages of swords fashioned in a different manner that not surprised.
It's important studying prophecy to kind of take your own conditioning and put it on the sky.
And not take anything for granted, but try to see and feel what it would be like to be a 17th century man seeing a rocket flying into the sky.
It's a dark, metallic object with a sharp point.
If I were a 16th century man, I might call that a sword.
Now the diseases become more subtle, more existential.
Disease 5 I call depression and hopelessness.
And that's basically when, as one prophet said, when man is becoming mature and aware that he has been cheated by the false promises of priests and politicians, society has been greeding him all these false promises.
It later, with centuries, becomes an organization, a political unit, a dogma.
And there seems to be a cycle in history and in prophecy where the established dogmas of today reach their crystalization and have to be broken down by new radical mystics and people that are often called cultweirs who are leaders in teaching.
So in a way, the Antichrist that everyone keeps talking about could just as much be the established religious thinking as it is some new character who wants to undermine things.
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Well, it seems to me, John, the breakdown in confidence in our present political system is already very well underway.
As a matter of fact, I've felt it on a personal basis.
The right, the left, the middle, I look at what Washington does these days.
And I've almost given up, John, I tell you, the two major political parties seem to do nothing that in the end is all that different nor pleasing in any way.
So that process seems well underway, and I think I'm joined by many in that.
The star is still established, the school and everything is still there, but it has very interesting parallels to our current political system.
It's functioning, it's creeping along.
People are talking about reform, but it really doesn't mean me.
We have the gangriches of the world who talk a lot about revolution, but really not putting their money where their mouth is.
And then if you then look a few years ahead, we might get the first warning of revolution in the 2005, just like in 1905.
And then maybe in the second decade of the 21st century, as some prophets believe there may actually be the new civil war in America that will lead to a new constitution by 2025.
Yeah, and the Mormon prophets are the sort of remarkable predictions about the second civil war.
And it's not the same as the last one.
It is a civil war that's basically similar to prophecies about World War III in general.
It's a global civil war.
It's the breakdown of society as we know it in preparation for a new society.
It's a war between families, between streets, cities, states, and whatnot.
It's basically what I like to call a World War II for all.
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Mad Mess.
It's mad mass, and my hunch is what will happen is in some cases.
It will be like the other alternatives, which is people seeing the threat of their stupidity as dangerous as people used to see Adel Hitler in the last 50 years.
And, you know, America galvanized itself, certainly had its warnings of Hitler, and then when the war took place, suddenly an incredible creativity and unity came in the nation.
It would be just wonderful if people instead of fighting each other could fight their stupidity in the same way they fought World War II.
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Well, it is clear to me, John, and you mentioned this earlier, I've traveled the world, and third world nations worldwide are striving now to be what we are, and they're beginning to have the problems we have.
And this is why what we're doing right now tonight is the internet standard for the world is so important.
We make the alchemy to make this with our awareness and creativity a system that warns people in the third world, that warns and also alternatives to the status quo ideas and gets people more in a position to make their own responsible choices.
Well, it's good to know rather than, in my opinion, my experience, it's better to know than to believe.
If you believe, if you strip belief of all of its sugar coatings and cloaks and metaphors, what you find is belief, bluntly, is standing upon ignorance.
It's been the basis of many religions and many political concepts, and probably one of the basis for a lot of our misery in history.
And that's, to put it bluntly but compassionately, exactly how our society is created is in the mediocrity.
Because as long as you're a good machine in your family unit that's very controllable by the powers that be, then you will continue to march off to the world wars and march off to this and that and ignore the dangers that are coming.
It is in the solar calendar a few years off from the millennium.
It is a time where I think we will see even more dramatic weather changes.
I would not at all be surprised if the mainstream news even gets more daring about accepting the fact that we have a global warming condition coming.
At the same time, it is a time which will probably see a push and a pull of people who wish to stay righteously involved with what they believe from the past is true, and at the same time reacting to that or responding to that, more and more people are going to want to shake that off.
And the spring of 2000 is also going to be a busy year in earth changes.
Although I do not subscribe to the maps of huge areas sunk, I don't think that's going to happen.
I think what you will see, and I've had a pretty good track record with earthquake predictions, you will see sinkages of land as extreme as the 1964 Alaska quake in the next five years in regions.
But you won't see the West falling into the sea.
Even Edgar Casey can get that wrong.
In fact, Edgar Casey was a courageous enough prophet to actually record and ask his friends and all, gee, I seem to get that wrong.
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I wonder if I met what my people or what happened.
Because after 23 years of studying this, I've come to the conclusion that prophecy works because we're predictable.
We repeat the past and call it the future because we keep conditioning every new generation.
We feed them with our mistakes and our biases and limitations and mediocrities so that they maybe are dressed differently and have different technologies, but essentially they do the same stupid things.
And it is that syndrome, that rut of repeat that makes fantasy work.
We're coming up to a period where we can't do that anymore.
So it may be the racial imperative of the human race to nurture genius and spontaneity to survive.
You know, John, it seems when you look at our social behavior as though race relations should be, if we're on the right track, should be improving, that the differences that mark us with skin color or religion should be disappearing, and yet they appear instead to be sharpening.
Race relations, yes, we have passed laws in this country, civilized as we are.
Well, I guess because in a way we are not really yet taking this seriously.
Because you see, when you look at all the laws made and you look at the kind of testimonials for change from Clinton down, what you're seeing is people who say, yeah, we want to build bridges 21st century, but we want to take all our garbage over there with us.
And the problem is, we're going to have to strip bare of all that stuff when we cross that bridge.
And when we get on the other side, we have to start all over again.
Although the book of Revelation has these seven final plagues, there's a wealth of other religions that also have their scriptures concerning these seven final plagues.
So depending where your bias is, you could equally say, oh, well, the book of Revelation matches the Hindu prophecies of the Puranas, or it matches the Dhammapada, and so on.
So it's, in my case, I look at them all, and I try, through meditation, to look at my own biases and the biases of prophets, their hopes, their fears, and projections that they kind of cloud the magic mirror, if you will, with stuff.
Yes, we have to brush off those politically correct ideas And religiously correct ideas and have a fresh look at the prophecies.
And when that is done, I see the correlations beyond the agenda, the essential vision.
For instance, there are so many traditions that are looking for a new Messiah to come, not just the second coming of Christ, but in my book, The Millennium Book of Prophecy, I have a whole page full of just an example of dozens of different Messiahs that are coming.
The Antichrist, as I see it, is that which chooses not to throw in the death.
And I see the Messiah as the intellective consciousness, the will to become human beings.
I don't see it as personifications.
I think that's where a lot of people may miss what's coming because Jesus, who even quoted verbatim some of Buddha's ideas, like do unto others do unto you, comes, it was totally not in the mainstream's agenda.
And now what we have is people collectively in the mainstream expecting a Jesus Christ from 2,000 years ago to basically come again.
And as all too predictable, the vast majority of people will miss the action because of their prejudices.
Not hard to predict, but amazing that people centuries ago were predicting it.
That's what makes it intriguing.
I mean, it's not so hard for us to see it in the near future, but when a man at the turn of the century named Anton Johansson predicted greenhouse hurricanes going as far north as England and at a time when that just wasn't happening, it's pretty remarkable.
And another important point, 1996 actually had more damaging storms than the previous year, even though there were not as many storms.
Well, you know, if we keep fooling Mother Nature and putting out these fires of diseases and protecting people from ravaging storms that otherwise would kill with great new technology and warnings, won't Mother Nature ultimately escalate the battle?
It's really a question back to the mice and men syndrome.
It's like if we just allow, trust in our ignorance and trust in faith that something's going to save us and just go on blissfully unconscious of what we're doing, then we'll just be, we're no better than the mice who overpopulate their range and then Mother Nature takes care of them.
Now, the beauty about being human is that we have much more capability to see this coming and change it.
But it means we have to drop something.
We're going to have to pay for it.
And we can't have our cake and eat it, too.
We may have to have a moratorium on all births around the world for 20 years if we want to deal with it without a great disaster.
And to use your metaphor, there have been Forest Service people who have seen this problem and are now beginning to do control burns where they do burn a lot of the undergrowth in large-scale burnings.
I mean, I used to be a bush fireman myself, and you see that happening now.
A moment ago, you said, not you, Art, but Mr. Hoag, said that he believed that the Antichrist wasn't a literal person, but Napoleon predicted Nostradamus predicted that there would be three Antichrists, And the third one was modest, right?
Well, it is one of the high candidates, certainly.
It is also possible that unlike the first two, the man could be a very minor character.
Because he says in that prophecy that Mabus soon dies, as if he's the first casualty of his own war.
And that almost sounds similar to Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian assassin who shot France Ferdinand and triggered World War I. It could be equally some terrorist organization or a group of dedicated terrorists who set off a nuclear terrorist event that triggers World War III.
Well, I expect that where we had in the 70s and 80s with politics of oil, we're going to have a new political world by the 2020s where China will fill the void left by the Soviet Union.
We'll have two superpowers again.
And China will use its alliances with the Middle Eastern OPEC nations to counterbalance America's use of wheat as a political weapon when there's no more food.
So if there is a global situation by the 2010s or 20s, you will see that this will be the weapons that are used to wage in a world balance of power.
But I was wondering if maybe it's not the right moment, but I have finally on the World Wide Web, and I was wondering if I could say where people could reach me and send their taxes direct.
Sometimes I think time is a projection that we try to clothe the eternal present in.
Nostradamus talked about that in his letters and confessions about his occult work.
He talked about getting his, stilling his mind and his body and his emotions so that he could reach a state where he could embrace the eternity of the present, he called it.
Almost like what we might call the continuum of now.
And so time's a really funny thing.
Our concepts of time are almost like many of the other projections we put on things.
And if people go out and buy the book, they can still see the special artwork.
We even recreated the Durr wood print and made them in color and the first Hellrider, the Trailblazer if you will, is what I call overpopulation.
And she is riding a starving horse and her weapon is an empty begging bowl and she has an enormous pregnancy and she is the population birthing urge run amok.
You know if we dealt just with the overpopulation issues, so many of the problems we have in the world could be eradicated.
It's just too many of us and too little to go around.
She is followed by the second Hell writer who is a ravaged earth goddess called Earth Trauma.
And this is Mother Earth's reaction to us overburdening her world with ecological disasters and disruption.
She is followed by a knight with a hamster's head and a huge syringe as a lance.
And he is the Lemming syndrome.
And he is the repressed collective desire for unlovingness and self-destruction that breathes itself in our physical world into diseases.
And we've talked at length about that chapter.
The final Hell Rider is a dark angel descending on the Middle East from space with a borrowed Russian nuclear weapon at his lance.
Yes, and then the most important issue is the horse they all ride.
The motive force that makes these four dimensions of prophetic unconsciousness, prophetic Antichrist, if you will, come into our world.
And that breed of horse that they ride is what I call a nightmare unconscious.
And that is the lack of humanity in us.
You know, we sometimes seem to be, as I said before, machines, animals that talk, as the Suleiman Dede, the Sufi mystic used to call us.
And the thing to understand is this unconsciousness.
To understand why we're unconscious, why this runs our lives.
I mean, to go back to your idea of time, you know, we, of course, need language and we need labels to function in this world, and we always will.
But the way we're trained is we start identifying with these labels to the point that we're ready to go to war for little pieces of cloth on sticks for, you know, behavior pretty much in bunch of someone else's religion.
And it's just amazing how over time we have allowed ourselves to be completely identified with our labels rather than use them.
Larry writes, it may disturb and or surprise you to know just how many people out there now would support, even look forward to, a civil war in this country.
I fit into this category.
But let me make it clear, I'm not a warmonger or an insurrectionist by nature.
Probably a lot of people said that in the Weimar Republic, too, after World War I in Germany.
There were a lot of people that were really upset with the chaos that came to Germany, and they were thinking, it's time for a revolution.
Some of them wore brown shirts and helped Adolf Hitler restore order.
And that is a thing to be aware of, is the Aquarian age is actually, in the next 20 centuries, we're going to have to watch out for the Hitlers and the Stalins because those are aspects of the future.
You know, Adolf Hitler was actually quite a good prophet, even though he was quite dark.
And he predicted the Cold War a few days before he committed suicide to a T, he predicted it.
And he also talked about the rise of fascism would come again in 100 years by the 2040s.
And one could almost see the danger of that if the whole world behaves like the chaotic Weimar Republic breaking down and in chaos, people in their unconsciousness will demand order.
I've been looking for this woman that's an author.
She wrote a book saying, I don't know if she was hypnotized, but Naster Thomas came to her and asked her to write down a thousand different interpretations that we were interpreting them wrong.
But I was on a show, Ancient Prophecies, on NBC, where they had our interviews back to back.
And I was rather surprised and shocked that neither her nor her spirit guide has obviously never set foot in Ostams' secret study because it was described completely wrong to the one that actually exists today, which you can go see in Salon-en-Provence in France.
Well, yes, I would, those and I would also cultivate an ability to understand, to reflect upon one's habits.
You know, why do I think this way?
Why is it that sometimes people push my buttons and I get emotional?
And it's almost, I think the most important message could be that each individual listening tonight try to find a way to observe their own thoughts and feelings and emotions without judgment, just breathing and relaxing and just seeing them like a movie and seeing where they originate from.
When you see one image, you push, you pull the layer aside and see if there's something underneath that.
If you hear a voice of authority in your mind, see if it has the voice of your father or your mother or your priest or politician.
If it doesn't have your voice, then it's probably not your truth.
It's borrowed from something else, from someone else.
Yes, I have the belief from meditating for 20 years that human beings are basically trained from day one to repress a lot of their truth and their feelings to survive in a world that wants mediocrities.
And so when you start coming out of that, you suddenly realize that there's a whole lot of things that your subconscious is trying to tell you that because you don't find ways to express it or cathart it in a cathartic meditation or something, to release it, to see it, it becomes many of the diseases and problems that happen to people.
I mean, many of the people who suddenly freak out and kill a bunch of people with guns are people who hold it, their rage all inside of them.
Many of the people who beat their wives and children are people that don't beat a pillow 20 minutes a day.
I mean, if everybody beat a pillow 20 minutes a day, you would lose a lot of the rage that you would throw on your fellow man and woman.
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Because I, for the past five years, have gotten a lot into dreams, and I've been having a few prophetic visions of what happens in my future, and a lot of times I just don't listen to it.
John, I was talking to a guest about dreams not long ago, and we rarely, except on shows like this, compare dreams.
And it was suggested that we have a dream registry, literally, where people can record their dreams and we can begin to decide if mankind is beginning to have mass prophetic dreams of the future.
Because otherwise, I know of no such collection point of that sort of information.
Well, all of this begins to sound a little new agey, but what I'm saying is, what if something awful happens and it turns out that maybe millions of people were having similar dreams, and somehow, because we never compared, never collected, we missed it.
The message was there.
We were all being warned.
But we missed it, John.
All right, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour and We'll be right back.
My guest is John Hoag.
He's a Nostradamus scholar, and there will be more.
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Still got a lot of miles of water to climb up out of before its surfaces, but that doesn't mean there might not be major seismic activity in the southern part of Hawaii, the big island, because of things that are going on there.
There's also a string of volcanoes on the edge of the continental shelf along the San Juan de Fuca Strait, and that could cause some major events.
I look at everything that's going on and study it and see its accuracy.
I don't actually put a lot of credibility to a lot of Gordon Michael Scallion's predictions because actually lately he's had a lot of them not be correct.
And I just think the map of the altered America is...
Yeah, it's actually a very old map.
It's Vegger Casey and decades afterwards, the Earthquake Generation book written by Jeffrey Goodman had very similar maps.
And to make it sound like it's something new, it's just not.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Hoag.
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Hi, John.
Hi, two questions for you.
Question number one, I want to ask you a question about whether it has to do with Nostodamus and or other prophets if they've talked about our first contact with extraterrestrial life.
Let me relate that to something that will happen in 1997, and also relates to Richard Hoagland, who Arbel has had on many times on the show.
As you know, the Mars Global Surveyor will orbit Mars September 97, and starting about January 98, it'll begin its mantic mission of Mars.
What I want to ask you for question number one is, in relation to Richard Hoagland's theories, which I feel does have some merit and may be true of the so-called face on Mars, have there been any prophets who've said in one form or another that something like a spacecraft like coming up Mars Global Surveyor will or will not verify, make it testable the theory that there is maybe in fact an artificial face on Mars?
I see nothing in Nastodamas that could even be stretched to talk about the Mars probe.
Although I'm sure like people try to stretch O.J. Simpson and the bloody glove in Nastrodamas, I'm sure somebody will give it a try.
But after 20 years of studying old French and studying Nastodas' ways of using it, I have not seen anything of that nature.
However, there are definitely going to be soon some discovery of extraterrestrial life, which could be as big a shift in the Earth's axis of consciousness as the other predictions which talk about a shift of the physical axis of the Earth, which causes great cataclysms.
In fact, it's amazing how much the lid can still be stuck on it.
You know, it's already known.
It's almost as if the powers that be are just trying to Find a way that they can utilize it to keep people mediocre.
The problem is that once you let this genie out of the bottle, you're going to have what Arthur C. Clark mentioned: that overnight, global government, United Nations, all of that will work because people will drop their national difficulties because of the fear they will have of some enemy out there.
All the native peoples of the world talk about the return of native values.
Some of them get a bit extreme and say that all technology will disappear and the bubble flow will return and what have you, and in a way sound as extreme as other righteous religious traditions who think everything will conform to their worldview.
However, if you take that bias off and look at it, one sees already the white people of America starting to take on a lot of the traditions of Native peoples.
You see a renaissance of that in the West here.
And this is something that I think Ray Bradbury said really poetically in his Martian Chronicles that at the end of the book, the human beings who colonized Mars ended up becoming the Martians that they had destroyed.
They started taking on the spirit of the Martian.
In the same way, one of the great crimes of humanity, what the white men have done to native peoples in the world, may never be reconciled, but strangely enough, the people who raped those societies may eventually take on their wisdom.
I was wondering what he thinks about the problem with the government, not really overpopulation, but even our own government pays the farmers not to grow food, and in other countries they use food as a weapon to neutralize their enemies.
And, you know, I don't see the problem being overpopulation as being a tyrannical government.
Well, it's a good point, but what will you do when there's 20 billion people in the year 2020?
And then in another decade or two, there's 15 billion.
It will soon, maybe it is manageable to this point, but soon it's going to be a problem that's going to transcend what governments can even do to repress and control if they don't start changing radically the way they behave.
Well, John, in China, where they have a government that lays down the law and it's really the law, they allow only so many births.
In the Western world, we have Catholicism and we have freedom and we have all kinds of things, societal things, that say you can reproduce as much as you want to.
He talks about the blue hat, the blue hat of the UN.
And it can definitely be applied to his prophecies.
And in a way, whether people like it or not, I'm sure a lot of people didn't like cars at the turn of the last century, but it became a reality, for better or worse, that people had to deal with in the 20th century.
In the same way, we're at the threshold of dozens of different major changes like that.
And one of them is the political systems will have to be revitalized and revolutionized completely.
We are living in the future, in a future without nations.
It is just going to happen, and we need to, rather than resist the reality of it, we need to make sure that that world government works for our individual rights rather than just become a global police state.
Within the next 30 years, nations, as we know them, will disappear.
We will be one world.
And it could happen much sooner depending on surprise factors like extraterrestrial discoveries or things like that, which bring the world together overnight.
No, the correct translation is, in 1999, seven months, the great king of terror will descend from the skies and resurrect the great Mongol, or another way of saying it is the great Genghis Khan.
Before and after, Mars rules happily.
Mars here is used as an astrological metaphor.
He often, Master Dumps, uses that.
And before and after can mean several things.
It's a bit cryptic.
Mars has two aspects in predictive astrology.
One is war.
The other is initiating new adventures.
It is the Maggoth, the high priest of transformation.
So it's almost like he's leaving us the either or.
Which one do we want to choose?
I mean, a lot of people think that the war of the Antichrist that Master Fellow talks about, including I believed it, began in 1973 and would end in 1999.
It may very well be that July 1999 is the beginning of the war of the third Antichrist, and it doesn't end until 2026.
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John, after wormwood in the Bible, it talks of locusts with things in their tails coming and pestering man for 42 months.
I was wondering if this went along with that prophecy.
John, are you sure that the Chernobyl or Wormwood prophecy is yet totally fulfilled?
I ask that because 60 Minutes and lots of other credible organizations have recently done stories on the deteriorating sarcophagus that was placed over Chernobyl.
And this, there is a nuclear reactor in Bulgaria that is in a warehouse.
It has no shielding whatsoever.
Its parts are rusting.
Its Russian instructors left town because they weren't being paid, and they left the plants to their students, and it's still running.
Now, I'm more amazed that we haven't had another turnable of equal disaster happening, but I think that is one of the highest potentials in the next five years.
Now, Stalin talked about a plague of false dust that will require Southern Europe's evacuation for nine months.
Now, if that doesn't sound like either nuclear terrorism or a nuclear disaster in the Balkans or Italy or what have you, if you look at the wind patterns of the areas, it would, of course, go over those areas.
He just says that everything's evacuated from Florence south, Sicily, Sardinia, Corsica, the Peloponnesian Peninsula of Greece, and the southern Balkans.
So, and the word false dust is really quite remarkable.
It also could be a biological plague or something like that, too.
One has to leave all the options open so that we can heed the warning and change it.
Are you aware now that our government is going to investigate the possibility, as advertised by Joyce Riley for some time now, that biological agents were used in the Gulf War?
Well, you know, it is an update that I put in Millennium Book of Prophecy.
Before the war, when I wrote the first edition, the Grand Teton Council of American Elders, two elders, had made a prediction saying that there would be this plague that no one expected that would come out of the Gulf War, and it would spread all over the world.
And as you know, a few months ago, we've discovered that on a genetic level, whatever is brewing in the people's bodies is actually almost like an organism that can be contagious.
John, we could do hours and hours and hours, and we didn't have enough time.
We're out of time.
Quickly, the phone number to order your book, The Millennium Book of Prophecy, and as a matter of fact, your other book, Nostradamus, The Complete Prophecies.