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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gulf War Syndrome - Joyce Riley

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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from December 12th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, or whatever, as the case may be across all these many, many time zones.
		From the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains in the west, racing across this great land to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet, this is Coast Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Hi there, everybody.
		Great to be with you coming up this morning, a kind of a sequel to the whole Gulf War syndrome.
		In case you thought the Gulf War was only the problem of those who were there, how sadly mistaken you are.
		It's in the news everywhere, and I've got Joyce Riley with me this morning, and she will tell you what's going on with the Gulf War.
		The answer is a whole bunch.
unidentified		I know you've seen a lot about it in the last week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What you may not know is that it may affect all of us, not just those that were there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so Joyce Riley coming up in a moment.
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		Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell All right, Joyce Riley, who is she?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Graduated from the University of Kansas in 1971, Bachelor of Science in Nursing.
		Has held positions in nursing education, doctor of nursing, and most recently a staff nurse in a heart, liver, and kidney transplant unit.
		Became a flight nurse, USAF Reserve, the Air Force 78-80, volunteered in 91 for Desert Storm.
		Did not go to theater of operations, though, because the ceasefire, as you'll recall, came very quickly.
		Flew active duty missions with the Air Force from January, make that, yes, January to July of 91.
		Then Joyce became ill, no doubt as a result of those she had treated and was hospitalized in December of 91.
		Has given seminars and lectures at the NIH, that's the National Institutes of Health, House of Representatives, Duncan Hunters Committee, University of Texas School of Law, and has done national seminars on the nurse advocate.
		She presently is the spokesperson for the American Gulf War Veterans Association and full-time nursing consultant for nursing and medical malpractice issues.
		Here from, I think, Idaho is Joyce Riley.
		Hi, Joyce.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
		Great to have you back again.
		Your first appearance stirred up a hornet's nest.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I must tell you, I'm sure glad to hear that.
		I am very pleased to hear that, and it's time.
		It is absolutely time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Since you were last on, I mean, we'll cover some of that same territory we did last time, but since you were last on, it seems like the Gulf War syndrome or whatever it is has been in the news just about every day.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's correct.
		And I don't think there's any story right now that is receiving as much information that leads you to believe that there is, and then the next day that there isn't a problem.
		And they are using the old technique, it appears, of presenting the thesis, the next day the antithesis, and then confusing people.
		I mean, there has been so much misinformation, so much dilution of information that I really feel it's very difficult for the American people to understand what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		I mean, one day you will see some of the testimony on Capitol Hill or some study is released showing that X number percentage of the vets who were there are sick.
		Then next day, you hear something about somebody who will say, well, we still cannot make any determination.
unidentified		In fact, I've heard, and we may never be able to.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		It is beyond me the kinds of leaps that they are going to.
		In fact, since we have talked, they have made the statement that, again, after all the information that has come out, it appears that again, it is all in their head.
		It is a stress.
		Now, I cannot tell you, Art, what has happened to these guys, these men and women, since I talked to you last, in the frustration they are experiencing in being told by their country that there's nothing wrong with them as they die off.
		I mean, literally, they know they're sick, they know they're dying.
		But yet, the government continues, and I say the government being the Pentagon right now, and the Department of Defense continues to use every ploy that they can to enrage the military, literally, over their lack of compassion and understanding of this issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's get to a couple of stats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, can you give me some idea of what percentage of Gulf War vets are ill as compared to the general population?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is real hard to do, but I will give you the latest one that I just received from the BFW today in that they told me that their figure now, and this comes from one of their claim specialists, from looking at the entire military that served there, we had 700,000 troops that served in the Persian Gulf.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Out of that, they now tell me that 200,000 have registered with the registry and consider themselves ill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, a total of how many, please?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's what I was just told by the DFW.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		200,000 out of the 700,000 troops are now ill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		It's phenomenal.
		It is phenomenal to believe that we could have such a huge problem, such a huge impact, that we are not seeing the truth right before our eyes.
		Every, nearly every Gulf War veteran I talk to is ill.
		Nearly every one complains of not just minimal problems, but serious problems.
		And yet, we're still bantering back, doing hearings, sending out questionnaires, and there is no treatment going on, Art.
		That is the sad part.
		All of this stuff that's happening is resulting in no treatment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw an interview on CNN with a Gulf War vet who was quite ill and who had gone to the Veterans Administration and everybody could go to.
		And what they essentially told him was, you're concentrating on your health problems too much.
		Get a life.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm hearing that so much.
		In fact, I saw the autopsy report of one 26-year-old man recently, and he was told, now he's the 82nd airborne, his mother was kind enough to share the information with me, and she told me that he was told by the VA that he just had apron strings that were too tight.
		Now, we're talking about a young man who further died.
unidentified		Gosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, go ahead.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who further deteriorated.
		And let me just tell you, she made a statement, and I must tell you how much I commend this lady.
		She lives in Salt Lake City, and she said to the doctor, she said, no, doctor, you don't understand.
		Guys in the 82nd airborne don't have tight apron strings or they wouldn't jump out of airplanes in the first place.
		Now, how dare we put our men and women in this position?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unbelievable.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		He eventually died.
		He was taken out of the VA in which she said, look, if this is not a mental illness, I can tell it's not.
		He had been three months in the VA.
		She took him to the university at Salt Lake at the medical school there.
		They did an MRI of his brain and found out that he had what is called the brain shrinking disease.
		He died February 1st of this year, and Greg was an incredible soldier of who we can all be proud of.
		But this young man died a tragic death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the brain shrinking disease?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's referred to as leukoencephalopathy.
		It is the white matter, the destruction of the white matter of the brain.
		Now, I recently had three letters in one week from Gulf War veterans.
		They were all between 26 and 29 years of age, and all of them had been diagnosed with leukoencephalopathy.
		We don't know a whole lot about it, obviously.
		I mean, this is something we haven't seen before, but I am hearing from some neurologists and neurosurgeons that this is very closely aligned to mad cow disease.
		I don't know that much about it, but I do know that it's a disease that we should be looking at, such as Lou Gehrig's disease, just like MS, just like the other neuromuscular diseases that they say are very rare, and yet we have huge percentages of them among the military right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the diseases affecting the Gulf War vets, their families and now friends, are so hard to pin down.
		They're so different that last time we were talking, and I'll say it again this time, it leads me to speculate that if there is some commonality, it is kind of like AIDS in the sense that it apparently goes to work on the immune system, whatever this is, and causes a variety of opportunistic things to happen.
		Is that your general assessment?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		And I'd like to, again, take the opportunity to separate and make clear the difference between biological and chemical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Because we're now being faced with the misinformation that is creating, unfortunately, the problem of the disease here in the United States.
		Now, the chemical illness, first of all, is the one that the U.S. government, the Department of Defense, is wanting us to focus on.
		The chemical illness can be something such as oil well fires, the effects of that.
		It could be the peritostigne bromide, the pills that they took, nerve agent pills.
		It could be a result of the peripherin or the DEET, the pesticides, organophosphates.
		Now, the chemical fires are one issue, and yes, I believe they're a problem, and yes, I believe it's very important, but it is not a problem that you bring home to your family.
		So, if you are exposed to oil well fires or mustard gas or some type of nerve agent, you don't bring that home to your family and give it to your spouse via sex, etc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Here is the difference.
		The biologicals that they are not dealing with, in fact, USA Today just came out two days ago with a story, were biologicals used?
		In fact, ABC News, after I had an hour and a half conversation with them, went on record to ask the question for the first time this past week, were biologicals used?
		Now, you recall, Art, that when you and I talked, we discussed the significance of biologicals, the importance of why I believe it is creating a disease in this country.
		And the biological agent is the agent our troops were exposed to, which is a disease composed of either bacteria, viruses, fungus, but it is a disease that you bring home and you can communicate.
		It is the very nature of a biological warfare agent to be able to spread the disease.
		And that's what's happening.
		So now we have a figure that this should astound you.
		And why weren't you being told about this?
		In 1993, before a committee, the Senate Banking Committee, Senator Don Regal stated at that time that of the Gulf War veterans they had contacted, 75% of them had already transferred the disease to at least one other person in their family.
		That figure is much higher now.
		We're finding at least 80% of all the troops now that contact me have spread the disease to at least one other person in their family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well here's how I think it goes, Joyce.
		If you're at the Pentagon and you're trying to manage a situation, which is what they do, it's bad enough that you have to admit chemical exposure.
		However, that is nothing compared to admitting biological exposure because then your liability, and I'll just use that word loosely, rises by a factor, an incalculable factor actually, because it's going to be an ongoing situation.
		You can't keep that one under control.
		So I doubt very seriously they are ever, ever going to admit to biological problems.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that they're going to have to and have to very shortly for this reason.
		Too many people are becoming ill.
		You know, they are relying on the fact that the American public is too dumbed down, literally.
		And I've been told this.
		I was told by a VA director.
		He said, you don't even have to be able to add, was his statement, to figure out there's a Gulf War illness and the families now have it.
		But because the American people are so busy watching O.J. Simpson, they are not noticing that around them is a disease that is starting to take huge numbers of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, it's news management.
		Look, it doesn't relate, but we were having a big debate about guns in the United States, and the news media continually showed on television what should have been a semi-automatic gun, and of course on TV, it was a machine gun.
		Well, we don't, unless you have a license, have machine guns in the U.S., but they portrayed it and sold it to the American people as a machine gun.
		A bunch of baloney, but that's what most of the American people believe in.
		Look, I watch CNN, I watch all the other newscasts.
		How many times have I seen the explosion at Camasilla?
		I've seen it again and again and again, and it's fixed in the minds of the American people that, well, maybe there were a few who got exposed to chemicals, and that's all they know about.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think we need to talk about Camasilla also.
		That certainly deserves some time.
		Sure.
		You are exactly right.
		You see, a lie told enough times becomes the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure does.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		It does on the media, unfortunately.
		And my anger, my frustration right now is that I do listen to these phone calls day and night from men and women who serve this country.
		And recent, most recent, I got a phone call from a Navy SEAL.
		He was sick, he was angry, and he had just seen the videotape that we did.
		And in doing this videotape or in providing it throughout the SEAL team there, they had all become quite angry and thinking that no one has told them the truth.
		And he said to me, and he made this statement, he said, you don't lie to your Navy SEALs.
		And you know that is so true.
		You're going to see a backlash, unfortunately, among the military now.
		And I am not trying to create anything, but my God, they were placed in harm's way, brought back here, told there's nothing wrong with them, placed on Prozac, placed on Halcyon in the VAs.
		They have been told there's nothing wrong.
		You're just imagining this illness.
		Now they find out they've given it to their children.
		They may be having malformed children or miscarriages.
		And yes, they are angry.
		Their families did not consent to this kind of treatment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is the beginning and the dawning of a new age, Joyce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That war and most particularly all future wars are probably going to have biological agents in them, aren't they?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think there's any question.
		I think that they are now decreasing the amount of armaments that we're using in artillery because now it will be a war of bugs.
		And this was the first time.
		And there is a lot really banking on the results that came out of this.
		If you will, this is somewhat of a controlled experiment.
		And I'm not saying it was an intentional experiment, but I am saying now the way that it is being monitored, the way the disease is being denied, is as if they want to simply document.
		The Persian Gulf Registry is a perfect example.
		These men and women are being asked to join the Persian Gulf Registry, at which time they believe they're going to get treatment.
		They do not.
		They get experimented upon.
		They get testing done.
		They do not get treatment for a disease.
		My husband and I just went down to the VA facility and again visited with a new group of Gulf War veterans that came through.
		The Houston VA facility is the second largest in the Gulf Registry program in treating Gulf War illness.
		They are, I must tell you, in Houston are only allowed to have three Gulf War veterans at a time in the Gulf War program.
unidentified		Wow.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I know that seems bizarre.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I know that seems incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		We go through and meet each one of the new groups that come down there.
		In fact, the television station from Houston went over there and asked them, and they did admit there's only three at a time.
		Now, these young men have been on waiting lists.
		The one that is there right now has been on the waiting list since April of 1994 to get in here.
		Now, this is why they keep saying the numbers are artificially lower than they really are, is because they only treat three or four in a facility at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you go to them and you ask about this insane policy, how do they explain it?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what I was told by the VA administrator in Houston.
		I said, I took it, I was handing out my Gulf War information as I always do when I go through the VA, and they don't like it, but I do it anyway.
		And I want the troops to know the truth.
		And as I went up to the administrator, I handed him my package of documents, about 100 pages of the information that proves the cover-up of a Gulf War illness.
		And I said to him, sir, I want you to have a package of this information so you'll know what I'm saying.
		He said, I know what you're saying.
		And he said, and I know this is the worst cover-up of all.
		And he said, nobody seems to be catching on to what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The administrator said this too?
unidentified		Yes.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		He said, you don't need to convince me.
		He said, I know already what's going on.
		Now, I have had VA physician call me, many VA physicians call me, especially after I was on your program.
		In fact, there have been so many responses, varied responses, of people saying, I support you.
		Don't stop.
		You're telling the truth.
		We need you out there, but I can't come forward because it would cost me my job.
		And these men and women, and I say to them, I'm sorry, if your job means more than the lives of the men and women that serve this country, I said, only you will have to face that.
		But I said, I cannot be quiet, and I cannot stop talking about this because I know it's real.
		Now, I did get a phone call from one VA, and I'm not going to say where, because he asked that I not use his name.
		And he said, you gave a figure on the Art Bell show of 15,000 Gulf War veterans had died.
		And he said, I want to tell you you were wrong.
		He said, it is much higher than 15,000.
		He said, the figure that you are talking about is only those that are essentially active duty.
		He said, if you add up all the Guardian Reservists on top of that, well, I don't know if he's right or not, but I will say this, that right now the United States government has put out a figure of 6,370 Gulf War veterans have died in service in the Persian Gulf War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure the real figure is much higher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get to it right after the break.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he's got his information together tomorrow night, Richard Hoagland, that's a kind of a question mark, so we'll see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a moment, back to Joyce Riley.
unidentified		The End Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Art Bell Now, back to Joyce Riley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, how many Gulf War vets really have died?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, we believe the figure to be over 15,000.
		I know that seems astronomical to people because, you see, you have not been hearing any stories about any deaths of any Gulf War veterans in the major media.
		Now, I was on with one of the claims analysts from the VFW today in which he said, my purpose in being on the show is to argue the figure of how many Gulf War veterans have died.
		He said, I disagree with your figure of 15,000.
		My statement to him was, well, would 10,000 make you feel better or 12,000 or 5,000?
		You see, the issue is not the number.
		The issue is the U.S. government is denying that any Gulf War veterans essentially have died as a result of the war other than the 143 that died during the Persian Gulf War, 100-hour war.
		Now, my problem with all of this is I am seeing autopsy reports of 26-year-old men, 27-year-old men, up to around 30, 35 years of age that shouldn't be dying of these kinds of diseases.
		Now, the mortality rate, the morbidity rate, is even much, much greater.
		Now, with their own figure of being 200,000, and that does not even include the families and spouses.
		Of course, that does not even include the coalition forces that served alongside of us.
		And just recently, the Czechs came out and stated that their troops are dying.
		You know, America is going to have to understand that we have got to regain the accountability of our government and put it within ourselves.
		We have too long accepted the fact that somebody somewhere in Washington was taking care of all these things.
		Because when I put all of these facts and figures together, Art, and one day realized, my God, our military is dying, these men are vanishing, and nobody even knows why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a dark old joke about physicians burying their mistakes, and I wonder if that's what the Pentagon is doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you wait long enough, why they go away?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't think that's any question.
		And I am sorry to have to say that, but I do believe that now.
		And here again, I usually give this statement at the beginning, but I apologize to any Gulf War veterans that are hearing this for the first time.
		There is one young man who called me, not so young, but he called me after your program the last time and I need to specifically say this because this is not easy to hear this when you're serving your country.
		You know I served and I would have done it again.
		Now knowing what I know I probably couldn't.
		But I believed in this country.
		My father was in the Air Force.
		My mother was in the Navy.
		We were a military family or we believed in serving.
		And he called me.
		He called me on the phone and he said, ma'am, I need to tell you I'm a 22 and a half year old sergeant.
		He said I'm a senior master sergeant in the Army.
		And he said, I just heard you on our bell last night.
		And he said, I've been sick.
		My wife has been sick.
		My daughter has been sick.
		And he said, I knew something was wrong.
		But he said, when I heard you say it, it all came together and I knew it was the truth.
		And he said, ma'am, he said, and he started to cry.
		He said, ma'am, he says, I'm a big old black sergeant.
		He says, he says, I love this country more than anybody.
		And he says, you know, ma'am, he says, I can take anything.
		I could have died for this country.
		He says, but you know, he said, I cannot remain in service knowing my country has betrayed me.
		And he cried on the phone, and it broke my heart.
		And please understand I am not being anti-American, anti-government.
		Don't label me with those labels because I'm trying to get the truth out.
		You see, some radio programs have been calling me and asking me to be on now and saying, gee, doesn't it feel good to be vindicated now, Joyce?
		Now that the truth is coming out.
		Well, you see, I never did anything wrong.
		I don't have to be vindicated.
		I have been saying this very same thing for three years.
		I have shown this information to the major media.
		I have shown it to the House of Representatives, to the senators, and no one had the guts to come forward with it.
		How many people have died needlessly that could have been saved?
		In fact, that's what Representative Shay said of Connecticut.
		He said, had Dr. Stephen Joseph of the Pentagon, who is the number two man in the Pentagon, told the Congress the truth, how many of our Gulf War veterans' lives could have been saved?
		I ask you, is this not treason?
		We are in a state of war right now.
		We are continuing to fight Saddam Hussein, and that is because Public Law 102-25 has not severed our ties from the war.
		We are still at war.
		And I ask you all, if we are in a state of war, and if our troops are getting sicker and sicker, and if they are not being treated when there is a treatment available, and if we are not bringing in the Kurdish rebels in this country as we just did in Houston to give them a new home,
		and we are bringing in Iraqi nationals to treat them with liver transplants in Oklahoma City, and if we are doing this for the enemy and we are allowing our troops to die, I am sorry, but I must say some very harsh things right here.
		Is this not treason?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Treason.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		According to Article 3, Section 3, Paragraph 1 of the Constitution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a fact here from a lesson-sensitive listener named Ben who says simply, war is hell.
		War is hell.
		In other words, people are injured or killed in all wars, and he's suggesting this is just war.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's interesting, and that's what we thought with Vietnam War.
		And I must say that when Agent Orange was the issue, I bought into the media hype that, gee, the guys went over there, they got a rash on their feet, they came home, they wanted some compensation.
		Come on, guys, get a life.
		Well, that's what they tried to do to the Gulf War veterans also.
		But you see, our families did not agree to this.
		And our children did not agree to be born with Golden Haar syndrome with no arms, no legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what do we know about that?
		In other words, let us talk for a second about the spread from the Gulf War vets to their families, friends, acquaintances, whatever.
		Is that really happening?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Like I said, 80% of all troops now report having spread the disease to their spouses.
		In fact, the U.S. government has just now opened up the family testing program of spouses and children.
		Now, you understand they still say officially there is no Gulf War illness, but just in case, we're going to go ahead and test the families and the children.
		They've opened up at Duke University in Southwestern Medical School in Dallas, and many troops are calling me and asking me, should I send my family down there?
		It's a difficult question to answer.
		I know they're not going to be treated because I talked to them directly, and I asked the director of the program, if you find any illnesses, will you treat the Gulf War veterans families?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the nature of this is that, I mean, we're years downline now, years downline.
		And we've got the families getting sick.
		And if the families can get sick, Joyce, then it seems to me, if this is infectious, they can infect other people, right?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		One of the letters that I got from 29 Palms, California after your show was from a man.
		Now, this is interesting because his wife had been married to somebody who was a Marine.
		She had been married to him.
		After the Gulf War, they got a divorce.
		She now married her new husband.
		Her new husband was the one contacting me because he now has the Gulf War illness.
		She has it, and their child has it that's been born since the war.
		He didn't bargain for this disease, but it's spreading secondhand and thirdhand now.
		We have a communicable illness.
		Now, here is where the U.S. government made their primary mistake was not admitting to this initially.
		War is hell.
		And you know, if you come back, you say, okay, something happened over there.
		We don't know who used it.
		We don't know what it was, but we're going to make sure our men and women get treated.
		That would have been the honorable thing to do.
		I could have accepted my illness being related to the fact that something happened.
		Let's get everybody treated.
		But they didn't do it.
		They immediately came out with a statement from the Pentagon stating, Pentagon says there is no Gulf War illness.
		They did not give them the benefit.
		They did not give them the treatment, and one has to ask why.
		Now this disease is spreading and spreading and spreading.
		We have a communicable disease that is AIDS-like in its very foundation.
		It is an immune disease.
		It is causing an immune problem with fibromyalgia being the result of it, chronic fatigue, gulf war illness and now the deformities of the children.
		And you see, if they had wanted to do the right thing, they would have said, let's treat them, let's get it stopped, but they didn't.
		And now it's spreading into the general population.
		Now, what do we do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they don't know how to treat it.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, Dr. Garth Nicholson does, and Dr. Ed Hyman and Dr. Larry Goss of Walters, Oklahoma know how to treat it.
		Now, this is where we have to look at what is, if there is any, criminal intent.
		And I submit to you at this point, I believe there is.
		Now, I have been serving as an expert witness in medical malpractice cases over the past eight years.
		I know what it takes to prove up a case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wasn't there something the other day about a number of pages of a log of General Schwartz costs coming up missing?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Those logs called the NBC logs, nuclear, biological, and chemical logs, yes, are missing.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		The hard copies are missing as well as the computer disks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, both then.
unidentified		Yes.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Now, interestingly enough, we have had some of these documents, and I am looking at the NBC logs as we speak.
		The NBC logs of CENTCOM, now here, we need to spend some time on this because this is where we bring in now the credibility of General Schwarzkopf.
		He was the commander-in-chief of Central Command.
		Central Command had the responsibility of keeping the nuclear, biological, and chemical logs.
		I have talked to those who worked on those logs.
		I know what some of the content is of those logs.
		And I can tell you categorically that there is evidence of biological and chemical usage on the battlefield.
		There is absolute evidence of chemicals and biologicals that were utilized on our troops.
		Now, General Schwartzkopf came out in the New York Times December 6th in a very well-done article by Phil Sheenan that said he did not believe that Iraqi chemical weapons had anything to do with the mysterious health problems reported by thousands of veterans of the war.
		Now, General Schwartzkopf, may I remind you that they still say no chemical weapons were used, and you just said that they were chemical weapons.
		He also made the statement that he knows some of the guys that have the Gulf War illness.
		Sir, may I remind you that the Pentagon has still said there officially is no Gulf War illness.
		It is really a result of stress.
		Now, General Schwartzkopf's credibility, I'm afraid, is really under question right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he's lying?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I know he is.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely know he is, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I like to think myself a judge of character, and General Schwartzkopf surely seemed the loyal American, the real American, the honest to God real thing to me, and I hate to think he lied.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I think that everybody does.
		This is part of what we don't want to crumble.
		We've got to believe in mommy and daddy.
		We don't want to believe our parents do those kinds of things.
		Because if now we bring in the credibility trial or have credibility problems with Colin Tahl and Norman Schwartzkopf and George Bush, James Baker, Britt Skolcroft, all of these people that are supposed to be in charge of this country, then now what's going to happen to us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the politicians are a different thing.
		I have no problem thinking they lied.
		But General Schwartzkopf, somehow that's one illusion that I'll be sorry to have burst.
		Where did he lie?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, the place that he has lied is with respect to his information that he had in the nuclear, biological, and chemical logs.
		You see, he was the commander-in-chief on the battlefield.
		He knew what was in those documents.
		He knew that they had reported uses of biological and chemical agents.
		Now, let me tell you that I had a first-hand story that was provided to me, and I've had this by two different sources, that stated, we have seen deaths of chemical weapons on the battlefield.
		We transported them from Riyadh to Germany.
		We know they died of chemical weapons.
		Their skin was falling off.
		Now, this is mustard gas.
		If you have mustard gas, you have a chemical agent.
		If you have a chemical agent, then you cannot any longer deny the existence of biologicals and chemicals being used, as they did in their statement issued by Shelley Kashvili and William Perry.
		The date of that was May of 1994, and it states, there have been reports in the press of the possibility that some of you are exposed.
		There is no information, classified or unclassified, that indicates that chemical or biological weapons were used in the Persian Gulf.
		Then I can go to the chemical and biological logs of Schwartzkopf and show you the evidence of the capture of chemical and biological munitions on the battlefield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was at Camasia?
		We know chemicals were at Camcia.
		Were there other things at Camasia?
		That's a logical question.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that I can't answer, and that I don't have an answer for.
		I have talked two nights ago I talked with the NBC NCO in charge.
		That's the Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical NCO in charge of that unit at Camasia, the 37th Engineering Battalion.
		Now, this is a unit that is quite ill right now.
		They have had five of their troops are now dead, and about 70% of them report to be ill.
		In fact, I gave a program here in Idaho last night, and one of those young men was at the program from the 37th.
		Now, here's what they're not telling you, Art.
		They want you to believe there was one little bunker that blew up in one place in Iraq, and oh my goodness, there's the responsibility for all of this.
		There's the accountability for why everybody's sick.
		That is not true.
		Now, here's what they also want you to think, is that Camasea was just a little bunker.
		Camasia contained over 100 warehouses, each one of them the size of a Walmart.
		In that bunker, there was, according to the NBC NCOIC, who has, by the way, been told you didn't see what you say you saw by the Pentagon.
		He told me, we blew up 7,500 tons of sarin gas.
		We blew up 2,500 tons of mustard gas.
		I said to him, Did you know what you were going to blow up before you went into that bunker?
		He said yes, and I reported my concerns about what we were blowing up.
		Now the U.S. government says we've got a bunch of errant guys that went off, blew up a bunker.
		We didn't know they were going to do it.
		We didn't know what was in it.
		And we didn't know until June of this year, 1996, that they had actually blown it up.
		Now, here art is where we have some real serious problems with the Pentagon because I can show you the after action reports of Camacea that have been available for quite a while.
		These Camacea after action reports show the real truth about what went on.
		Now, they say they just found it inside the Pentagon.
		This information has been out there.
		They have been lying to the public and distorting it.
		Now, one very important thing is that they again say there's no evidence of biological usage.
		I have in my hands a document that is listed as classified.
		I do not know if it has been declassified, and to tell you the truth, I really do not care at this point.
unidentified		Can you tell us where you got it?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I got it from an individual that served, and it was a first-hand account of someone who was there.
		That's all I can say at this time.
		But I can give you the file name.
		In fact, ABC News contacted me, and I said, why don't you contact the Pentagon and get this document?
		And they said, well, they won't give me a classified document.
		I said, well, I will give you the file name.
		You go ahead and ask them to give it to you because it's already out there.
		Listen to this.
		This is dated July 1991 from the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington, D.C., and it is addressed to about 40 different generals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this stamped classified, Joyce?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		And it states the subject heading, soldiers killed with biological warfare.
		This is an info report, not finally evaluated.
		Intelligent report classified, Department of Defense, July 1991.
		This report gives a summary of 50 casualties of Iraqi soldiers that were killed with biological weapons.
		Now let me tell you why this is extremely important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Iraqi soldiers.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Iraqi soldiers, yes, sir.
		It is very important because this refers to 50 soldiers killed between Basra and Baghdad with biological weapons.
		Now that is extremely important to our troops because that's where the 82nd airborne was and the 101st airborne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		We're having so many deaths in that unit.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, again, does this report suggest whose biologicals killed the Iraqi soldiers?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		It states that they were killed by their own.
		It says, disease epidemics overwhelm Iraqi cities.
		50 soldiers were killed by their own biological weapons.
		50 soldiers died from spore-related anthrax spores exposure due to the destruction of one of the microbiological depots in the Baghdad military area that does development and production of biological weapons following bombardment with 2,000-pound bombs from B-52s.
		It goes on and on.
		It states that it was their weapon.
unidentified		It doesn't make any difference because, see...
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They have made the categorical statement.
		There is no evidence, classified or unclassified, to prove the use of biological weapons.
		That is a lie.
		Now, I want to refer you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, can you fax that to me?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		We'll talk about that.
		You know, there's certain implications in faxing and sending off classified documents.
		So just please respect that.
		But I can certainly get it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you've got is a bombshell.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a bombshell.
		If it is classified information indicating Iraqi soldiers died from their own biologicals, then biologicals damn well were used.
		And you've got them in a lie.
		Dead, cold, flat, in a lie.
		Are you at all concerned about releasing classified information like this?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't blame you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Joyce Riley.
unidentified		We're talking about the Gulf War.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Syndrome?
		Disaster?
		There'll be more.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce Riley, R.N., is reading a classified document.
		And she has some concerns about doing that.
		And I may have some concerns about her doing that here on the program.
		But, what the hell?
		Life is short, right, folks?
		Get back to where we started from?
		I don't think so anymore.
		I think we're way past the point of no return.
		Anyway, good morning back to Joyce Riley and that document in a morning, in a moment.
		in the morning in a moment.
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		You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
		I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
		I think you're absolutely correct.
		But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
		And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
		Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
		Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
		Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
		It's just a matter of time.
		Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Joyce Riley.
		Joyce, you've got a classified document.
		The document seems to be saying there were biological agents in the field in the Gulf War that killed Iraqi soldiers in a location where our troops were.
		It's a bombshell, if it's true.
		Would you go ahead and read it, please?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		The Iraqi authorities took about 100 soldiers to a hospital in Baghdad where doctors failed to treat them.
		The medical treatment failed.
		An Egyptian physician told al-Hakika that following his escape from the hospital and crossing the Syrian border that the microbe is still at the hospital and efforts in eradicating, decontaminating the area have not been successful.
		He added, the Iraqi soldiers that died upon arrival at the hospital were the ones guarding the facility.
		This explains their exposure to large doses of the organism that caused acute pulmonary inflammation and blood poisoning and intestinal poisoning.
		All efforts to treat them failed.
		That is essentially the guts of this particular document.
		Now, it may have been declassified.
		I don't know.
		I will tell you that there is another one that has now been declassified.
		That is the Biological and Chemical Warfare Logs of CENTCOM.
		And I want to go back to that and read you the actual document.
		This is one that may be one of the ones that are being reported as missing.
		I don't know.
		But this is dated March, I believe it's March 1st.
		And it states, Lieutenant Colonel Wade advised that Colonel Dunn has confirmed that the soldier of the 3rd AD, that's the Armored Division, does have blisters characteristic of H chemical agent, that's mustard gas, on his upper and lower left arm.
		Now, Art, I hope your people understand because I know you can see the significance of this.
		What I just read to you is one of those maybe missing logs, I don't know, because we've had these logs for some time.
		They were smuggled out of the Pentagon and provided to us before they were unfortunately burned or destroyed or whatever.
		So this document right here that I'm reading to you, which I can provide you a copy of this, flies in the face of everything that the Pentagon, the Department of Defense, the VA, Schwarzkopf, and Powell have been stating over the past five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many documents do you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how much of the possible lost, ha-ha, in quotes, logs might you have?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		There are 100 pages of them.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I don't have all of them, but in different places, there are approximately 100 pages of those logs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess you're trying to put those together.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Let me read you another one of those logs.
		This one's dated 27 February of 1991.
		And let's see, this is Master Sergeant Blue called with questions about SINSENT message.
		That's Commander-in-Chief Central Command at 2400 Zulu time.
		Subject, Commander's Guidance for Disposition of Captured Chemical and Biological Munitions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And biological.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And biological munitions.
		It goes down to say they feel destruction of small quantities using field method is okay.
		Destruction is not approved because it may have great international implications.
		Now this was declassified on 5 June of 1994.
		So the information that I have been able to put together from my sources, from those that served during the Persian Gulf, from the brown manila envelopes that have arrived, show absolute evidence that the U.S. government is lying.
		Now I don't know if they thought we weren't going to be able to put this information together or figure it out ourselves, but all we needed to know was we had a bunch of people dying for no reason.
		We knew they were dying and the Pentagon said they weren't dying.
		People knew they were exposed over there and they said they weren't exposed.
		Now, if you saw Major Ibert on TV, he is the Marine Major that was struggling with the Lou Gehrig's disease to be able to tell his story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the hearings, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		This is incredibly important.
		And let me tell you why, because his first statement that he made was that the Pentagon knew from day one that chemical weapons had been used.
		Now that's a Marine Major in full uniform saying that.
		That is not Joyce Wiley, an inactive reservist nurse saying it.
		His last statement that he made, and America wake up and listen to what your people are telling you, he stated, I fear the enemy is within the government.
		Did you all hear that on television, if you didn't get the tape from C-SPAN, I fear the enemy is within the government?
		That is a man who is fighting for his life to tell you the truth of what is going on.
		You don't have to believe me.
		Believe the documentation which exists.
		And by the way, I do need to get my phone number for GoForBetter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we will definitely do that.
		Joyce, I want to ask you a question about motivation.
		If you can remove yourself right now from everything you've said, or not even remove yourself from it, but just consider what you have said and consider the motivation of the government, my question to you is, why?
		Why would they be covering this up?
		What are their motivations?
		Maybe there's more than one.
unidentified		Maybe is it money?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's where I have to veer off into opinion or conjecture, and I don't like to do that because I like to speak from straight documentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but when you're trying to decide about a crime, Joyce, one of the things you have to look at is motivation.
		And if you're talking about a crime about treason, that's the word you used, then it's reasonable to look at motivation.
		In other words, why would our own government do this to our own people?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		There is a paper written by Dr. Lindsay Arrison of the Pentagon, and I'd like to refer to him for this answer because he wrote the paper, the cover-up of the Gulf War Illness, and he lists the reasons why they have done this.
		Now, I believe in what he says.
		I believe this is pretty much my opinion.
		First of all, the financial compensation would destroy our government.
		There is no way they can financially compensate everyone that should be given compensation for what they have been subjected to.
		Number two, we violated Geneva Convention regulations in 1972.
		There are tremendous political and criminal implications in what has taken place.
		Both the Bush and the Clinton administration are involved in this.
		This right there, I mean, with what I'm telling you tonight, and I'm sure your listeners understand that this is the story of America's history.
		They are hearing information tonight that is like the most significant anywhere, anytime ever said.
		We're talking about the absolute intentional neglect of our military and criminal intent in allowing them to suffer.
		Now, we violated Geneva Convention regulations.
		There is a writer named John Galt who's been writing some incredible material in the Spotlight newspaper.
		You've probably heard about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know about the Spotlight, but wait a minute.
		We violated Geneva Convention protocols.
		In what way?
		I can understand that perhaps the Iraqis violated them, but I don't know that we use biologicals or chemicals.
		So the violation of Geneva Convention protocols on the part of the Iraqis?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		On the part of both of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did we do it, Joyce?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Both the United States and Iraq utilized chemical agents during the Gulf War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying we did?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Absolutely, I am saying that we did.
		Now, this comes from the evidence or the information, the first-hand accounts of those that were responsible for the chemical agents, for those who were responsible for teaching others how to use the chemical agents.
		We had them on the battlefield.
		There's no question about that.
		There's any number of your troops out there that can give testimony to that.
		And they were used.
		There are many troops that have told me that they had weapons with the biohazard emblem on it.
		They knew exactly what they were.
		In artillery rounds, primarily is how the U.S. used them.
		The chemicals were used by the Iraqis, primarily via the Scud missiles and artillery rounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know there was a report by a U.N. group the other day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some U.N. inspectors drilled into, drilled into a rocket warhead and outpoured, guess what, sarin gas?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if they're going to be stupid enough to do that once it's got the biohazard marking on the outside of it, I mean, I'm surprised because they knew that was sarin gas inside Camasia.
		They knew it was mustard gas inside Camacea.
		They didn't need to drill into any rocket to find that.
		Now, also, Senator Regal has made a statement.
		Now, let me just read this.
		This is from page 6, and I can give you the slide on this.
		This is 103-900, Senate report.
		It's an unclassified document.
		The findings of this report, prepared at the request of Chairman Regal, detailed many other events reported by U.S. servicemen and women that in some cases confirmed the detection of chemical agents by U.S. forces.
		In other cases, these reports indicate the need for further investigation.
		But he said they had actual evidence of chemicals and biologicals that were used during the time of the Gulf War.
		What are we waiting for?
		Now, further on, during a November 10, 1993 unclassified briefing for members of the U.S. Senate in response to direct questioning, then Under Secretary of Defense John Deutsch said that the Department of Defense was withholding classified information on the exposure of U.S. forces to biological materials.
		Now, they made this statement earlier in 1994 or later in 1994.
		There was no evidence, classified or unclassified.
		John Deutsch either lied or he has admitted to the fact that there is classified material on the exposure of these weapons on our troops.
		I can tell you and I can provide to you individuals who have told the Pentagon we know chemical agents were used.
		What more does it take than the actual suffering of those that lost their skin and that lost their lives to chemical weapons?
		What more does it take to prove that biological and chemical agents were used?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you what I think the motivation is, Joyce.
		At the beginning of the war and prior to and then once the war began, we without equivocation told the Iraqis, if you use biologicals or chemicals, we will respond with nuclear weapons.
		If we found out at some point during the war that that was occurring, we might have made a decision not to make that public because the clamor, the demand would have been for the use of nuclear weapons, and internationally we would have become a pariah had we used them.
		So I really think that that was one deep, dark political motivation for sealing all this under, for not admitting it, not even talking about it, and now you're getting ready to blow it up in their faces.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's very possible, and I have no problem with that.
		But the issue is after the war is over, you tell your troops, we've got a problem, let's get it taken care of, let's address that, and then go on.
		You don't give your general population a communicable illness.
		You don't take the disease back to America.
		It is now being spread in the blood.
		It is being spread by sex and by perspiration.
		So whatever their motivation was, now we know that Israel gave the same deterrent.
		They said, you send us biologicals and we guarantee you nuclear in return.
		It worked.
		But I do have evidence on one of the NBC logs that showed that there was a Scud missile loaded with an agent called GF, a chemical agent, that went into Israel.
		We do know they received at least one Scud missile full of GF.
		They did not receive biologicals, to my knowledge.
		But you see, this problem now is spread throughout the world.
		We've got 28 coalition countries that served alongside of us.
		We have now sent 4 million troops into the Persian Gulf arena.
		We now have people being exposed on three-month rotations to Kuwait that are coming home now and saying they have the illness.
		They're showing the rash.
		They're experiencing the same problem.
		So we are obviously intentionally spreading this disease.
		Now, what is it going to take America before we call them into accountability, start with some serious look at the treatment first of all, and then let's bring to justice those who have kept this information from the American people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If this is an AIDS-like disease, let us address that for a moment.
		I understand for a lot of what is being called the Gulf War syndrome, penicillin or large doses of antibiotics have been effective.
		It does not seem as though that should be the case because certainly antibiotics thrown at AIDS, totally useless.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the effectiveness of doxycycline, which is a very common, unpatented generic antibiotic, is working because, according to Dr. Garth Nicholson of the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center and now of the Institute of Molecular Biology in California,
		he states that the mycoplasma incognitus, which is the primary biological agent that has been identified, now when I say identified, that is because right now we are finding about 60% of our troops are positive for mycoplasma incognitus.
		This is what I tested positive for.
		And about 70% of those are being helped and treated with this.
		The mycoplasma is significant because inside of it has been inserted 40% of the HIV envelope gene.
		So we are not talking about the AIDS virus.
		We are talking about part of the envelope gene being added to the mycoplasma.
		Thus, the mycoplasma, which is a microorganism without a cell, is treated effectively with the doxycycline.
		Does it stop the disease?
		I don't think so.
		Does it cure it?
		I don't think so.
		But it stops the ravaging effects of the disease, and at least it will buy us some time.
		Now, the Department of Defense has been told about this research and work that Dr. Nicholson has done.
		And the reason that he found out about it was because his stepdaughter was in the 101st airborne.
		She came home.
		She was sick, and the entire family got sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe this is a problem for the Pentagon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once you admit there is an effective treatment, then you're admitting this is a problem.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		You can't treat a disease that doesn't exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		And therefore, the VA has denied all Gulf War veterans, their records are flagged.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They are denied the use of doxycycline, except in Phoenix recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are denied the use of it?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They have been denied it, yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, in order to keep a secret, you're saying our government is prepared to allow this to spread in the general population.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what I'm saying.
		In fact, I wish Gulf War veterans would call in and tell how they have tried to get the doxycycline at their VAs.
		It's very cheap.
		It is the easiest antibiotic to use, and they have been denied it.
		Now, here is where I have a problem.
		The blood transfusions, the donations that are coming from military bases are tainted.
		The Gulf War veterans are spreading the disease, the chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.
		The fibromyalgia disease that is rampant now since the Gulf War.
		Why are we having this epidemic of this unknown fibromyalgia disease?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously, we're having it because they're imposing it on us.
		Hold on.
		Joyce Riley is my guest, and we will be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12th, 1996.
		I see them blue for me, and I think to myself, What a wonderful world I see skies of blue and clouds of white,
		the bright blessed day, the dark sleeping night, and I think to myself, What a wonderful world The colors of the rainbow You're
		listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, sometimes I'm not sure I like doing my own show.
		Do you understand that?
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Joyce Riley is my guest.
unidentified		And I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to restrict the lines right now.
		All the call-in lines.
		Just hang up, please.
		Anybody trying to call in, just hang up.
		And what I want to do is restrict the lines to Gulf War vets.
		I can do that.
		And so I'm going to.
		I specifically want to hear from Gulf War vets.
		And so does Joyce Riley.
		So consider it done.
		If you're out there right now and you are not a Gulf War vet, hang up.
		And only Gulf War vets, or for that matter, I suppose their families who may be affected, call in.
		You know what the various numbers are, and I would appreciate your cooperation.
unidentified		And we'll get to it here in a moment.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM Now, back to Joyce Riley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce?
		All right, you're going to get your wish.
		We're going to restrict lines, as you may have heard me do, to Gulf War vets, and we're going to get them.
		And here they come.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good evening, Art.
		This is Jim in Oakland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jim.
unidentified		Hi, I sent you an email about 10 days ago and kind of talked about what I was going through.
		I pretty much agree with everything that's been said on the show.
		As far as me, what happened to me was kind of weird.
		Before I went over there, I took a physical for re-enlistment and was in perfect shape.
		There was nothing abnormal.
		When I came back, I was really sick, and they said they'd lost my paperwork and wanted me to redo the blood test.
		And the weird thing was, I came back, my RPR was reactive for syphilis.
		And I had no symptoms, hadn't had sex with anybody.
		There wasn't really any women over there to have sex with anyway.
		And ever since then, I've been really sick.
		And they send me down to the hospital about every six months, give me a bunch of antibiotics.
		They can't seem to cure it.
		And another thing that's really weird is it stays in really low levels in the blood, but it went straight to the brain within three years.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Have you been on the docs of cycline?
unidentified		No, they didn't give it to me.
unidentified		It gave me just regular penicillin.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, penicillin, now, let me first of all here give the disclaimer.
		I am not a physician and I am not practicing medicine, but I want to share with you all, since you're not hearing it from any other area, the fact that if you have the true GOPOR illness with the weaponized mycoplasma, the mycoplasma incognitas, penicillin will make you worse.
		It does not treat the disease.
		Now, the VA has been made aware of this, but they are continuing to deny the use of doxycycline.
		First of all, about, I'd say, 70% of all the medical records are now missing.
		We pretty well know why.
		Secondly, did you say you were at the LA VA?
unidentified		Yes.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Actually, I'm still on active duty.
		I was going to the active duty doctors.
		And the one doctor that I was going to who was kind of in charge of the, there was quite a few people that were sick in my group.
		And he was kind of in charge of it.
		And he was apparently on the board in Washington.
		And what he had told us is that he pretty much made it known, yeah, we know that you were exposed.
		We're not exactly sure what it is, and it doesn't really matter.
		We're just going to treat it with a bunch of antibiotics and try and kill it.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, the doxycycline is the effective agent for the mycoplasma.
		So I'll simply say that, and you may have to go to a private doctor to get that, because DOD facilities are not allowed to use doxycycline right now.
		But please contact me.
		I'd like to give you the video.
		It's free of charge to Gulf War veterans.
		I'd like to get you the document package and the information that we have on the doxycycline to provide for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's get it to everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you say it's free of charge to Gulf War vets, and I guess everybody else can also get it, right?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They can get it.
		I give it free to Gulf War veterans, free to journalists, free to government people, and free to medical people.
		if you will write to me, you can get that.
		And all I ask is the Gulf War veterans send me a letter with their unit and their symptoms so we can correlate who was where and I'll get the information out to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Joyce.
		Wonderful.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're doing fine, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I was in the Gulf War.
		I've never been diagnosed or have even went to get treated for any symptoms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you now?
unidentified		I'm in Montgomery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And do you have a problem?
		What is wrong?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I've lost a lot of circulation in my lower extremities.
		And it seems to be a daily thing where I feel poor circulation and pain in my legs.
		And previous to going to the Gulf War, I was a straight-A student in school.
		Now I'm going to college, but I find it a lot more difficult to concentrate and a lot more difficult to remember things.
		And I didn't know exactly what symptoms were associated with the Gulf War.
		And I thought maybe Judy could inform me.
		Well, the confusion, mental confusion is one of them.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		The loss of memory is another one.
		Let me say that probably the most significant thing here is the loss of function or use of the lower extremities because this is happening among many of the troops.
		And I would encourage you to, number one, file a claim.
		And I'm not here to try and get people to file claims, but you need to protect yourself.
		Number two, you need to sign up with the Persian Gulf Registry.
		Although I disagree with their philosophical beliefs, we want the numbers in there to show the Gulf War veterans that are sick.
		Then get the information from me, and I will be glad to answer any questions after you look at it.
		The loss of the use of the legs and the hands is very, very important, and it's happening.
		They have had over 700 cases at the LAVA of this very same thing.
		But every one of them that comes through, they say, gee, you're the first one we've ever seen.
		But in your particular case, since you have not found any treatment, go ahead and start the paperwork and get the video first of all, and it'll explain a lot of this to you.
		It gives the documentation to support what I've been saying tonight.
		But you deserve treatment, and yes, the mental confusion is a real big problem.
		The biologicals and chemicals that were exposed to the troops over there have affected that sensitive brain tissue, and they're having terrible problems with memory.
unidentified		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		I didn't know exactly what the symptoms were, so I didn't want to file any false claims or crying to the government about something that may not have happened in particular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, follow her advice, and I'll tell you something, Joyce.
		I think that man represents a lot of men out there.
		You know, not mama's boys.
		These were guys who were in war.
		These are guys who volunteered, who joined the military service.
		These are not mama's boys.
		I really, really object to anybody being painted that way.
		And if you listen to that man carefully, he didn't want to file anything.
		He didn't want to claim something that, and I think a lot of them are that way.
		Don't you, Joyce?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		They want their health back.
		They want their lives back.
		They want answers as to why they're sick.
		They know they don't feel well.
		And you see, he is one of those men.
		The government's never contacted him, never said, how are you doing?
		Contrary to what they keep telling everyone.
		He doesn't know he's out there alone.
		He represents hundreds, if not thousands, of men and women just like him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I'm afraid is that a lot of them are going to just die quietly.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		I was a staff adjutant that worked with under 7th Corps over in the Gulf.
		I worked right under the S-II and I was privy to certain information.
		I'd just like to tell Joyce that she's on the right track.
		Exactly.
		There wasn't a worry over there at the time that that the Rockies could possibly use bacteriological agents.
		Um that's just one minor factor.
		Um I don't know if you're you're familiar with depleted uranium.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Um it it in its natural state sitting in the back of an M1 tank it it's not too toxic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's when it's fired, not too toxic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's when the uh munitions are fired.
unidentified		Exactly, exactly.
		Um there's there's the isotope uranium-128 when it when it impacts against composite armor it it it creates a a dust pretty pretty lethal to the to the enemy tank if it doesn't brew up.
		But on the battlefield itself it it's sort of an underlying it we roared more about that than than any NBC problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Joyce, the man has a point.
		I've heard a great deal about the depleted uranium problem.
		Now he brought up the fact that when it when it hits a tank it creates a dust.
		I'm sure it does.
		But when it's fired it creates a dust as well.
		What do you know about that?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I am not an expert on depleted uranium.
		I do want to say though that the government does recognize this as having been a problem.
		And anyone who wants to get a GAO report, there's a report that's declassified Operation Desert Storm.
		The Army was not adequately prepared to deal with depleted uranium contamination.
		And that GAO report is 93-90.
		And I would encourage people to get that.
		That's a whole different area.
		Yes, do I believe it's a problem?
		Absolutely.
		But I just am not dealing with that mainly because I'm more concerned about the contagious disease right now that's being brought home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that makes sense.
		First Tom Haller line, you're on the air with Joyce Rowley.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Joyce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you talk into your phone good and loud?
unidentified		Yes, I will.
		Thanks, Joyce, for all this work.
		You're welcome.
		I'm a family member.
		My ex was in the bulb, But you said two things tonight because I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and I went, and I kept thinking, where do I get this?
		What is this?
		How is this related?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, fibromyalgia is a cofactor or is a similar disease to the Gulf War illness.
		It's very, very similar.
		In fact, the spouses are now being diagnosed with fibromyalgia, as are the Gulf War veterans.
		Fibromyalgia is really a compilation of symptoms.
unidentified		It's a very painful muscle disease.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		What I would say to you at this point is probably they have tried to put you on Prozac or Atavan, is that correct?
unidentified		Yes.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Now, this is what the U.S. government has been doing with the troops also, is placing them on psychotropic drugs.
		It's got to stop.
		These are not mental illnesses.
unidentified		No, this pain is not in my head.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		It's very real.
		The fibromyalgia is a Gulf War-related illness is all I can really go into at this point.
		There's some information available on it, and I can provide it to you if you'll write to me.
		But you deserve treatment.
		You don't deserve being told that you're a head case.
		It's very real.
		It's very painful.
		And it gets worse, too, if it's not treated.
unidentified		Yeah, it gets debilitating.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		And I just thought, my God, you know, I'm out in the community.
		I wasn't there.
		And like you said, this stuff is so on the increase.
		I mean, I can tell you how many people I have met that have had this.
		And I'm going, where did this come from all this?
		That's right.
		Now this has, is this something that was always there that didn't have a name?
		Or is this something new and not has a name, but where did it come from?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're telling you.
		It was something that didn't have a name, but it's always been with us.
		No, I'm sorry.
		It came over in some scud missiles, and it has affected our troops, be it whether from the immunizations, which we really haven't talked about, or whatever.
		But we now have it, and it is contagious, and people are getting this disease.
		Entire families are now getting it.
		And my heart goes out to you, and please write to me, and I'll send you the information.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, how does somebody like that lady, I mean, it's bad enough for the Gulf War vets who are fighting the fight and not getting treated, but my gosh, the family members, they're another notch removed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they get treatment?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have to go to a private physician.
		The problem is they go to a doctor.
		They say, I've got the Gulf War illness.
		They say, yeah, right.
		I listened to Dan Rather.
		There is no Gulf War illness.
		And so they're not being treated.
		And they are being turned away.
		They're being put on Prozac, Attavan, their head cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are two problems here.
		One is, and I found this out firsthand over the last many months and years, if Dan Rather doesn't say it, it ain't true.
		And if he does say it, unfortunately, it is true.
		So if Dan Rather says there is no Gulf War illness, that is the perception.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And the problem right now is that we do not have a truthful media.
		And I'm sorry, but I have shown all of this information to all the major networks.
		They have declined to air it.
		And I'm not talking about opinions here.
		I'm talking about documentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you go to them and you've got some very serious stuff now, what do they say?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They say thank you very much.
		I'll consider it.
		That's just what I've been told by all the major news networks and the programming, the major tabloid programs also, is that we'll consider it.
		I was told by one of the major programs on TV, we don't think that's a big enough story for us.
		I mean, my God, give me a break.
unidentified		Excuse me?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, maybe breaking a classified document will get you some attention.
		Whatever it takes.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello, yes, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where are you, sir?
unidentified		My name is Matt.
		I'm in the suburbs of Chicago.
		All right.
		Yeah, I'm a Gulf War vet.
		I was assigned with the Psychological Operations Unit.
		I don't have any symptoms, and I'm just wondering, because our unit was kind of tasked out to other units.
		Myself, I was attached with the British Armored Division.
		And my question to Joyce, I guess, is what's the report with the other allied forces?
		Okay, that's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Out of the 28 coalition countries, I have been told by Dr. Nicholson now that 27 of those 28 coalition countries now report sick and dying Gulf War veterans.
		The only country that does not report dying Gulf War veterans is France.
		France did two things differently.
		They did not inoculate their troops, number one, and second, they gave prophylactive preventative doxycycline on a daily basis.
		Now, I've talked with those that served under the French flag, and they told me they were given 400 milligrams of doxycycline in the morning and 500 at night.
		It's a huge, huge dose.
		And they told me they had to eat three MREs, the meals ready to eat, just to keep it down.
		But they seem to be pretty clear of the disease.
		Now, did they know something?
		Well, I think they did.
		And they are the only ones not reporting sick or dying Gulf War veterans.
		Now, Britain has a real problem right now.
		Out of the 50,000 troops that they sent, 3,500 of them are now ill.
		I don't have a number of the ones that have died right now, but I know they're having a serious problem in Britain.
		I've been talking with the British Gulf War Veterans Association there.
		And they're fighting the issues.
		Now, the British Gulf War veterans have filed a lawsuit collectively against the Ministry of Defense.
		They have sued their government for having placed them in harm's way.
		I don't know how that particular case is coming out, but as you know in the U.S., you can't do that.
		So they have sued the makers of all the biological and chemical agents.
		I'm glad you're doing well, and I hope you continue to do well.
		Just let me ask you, do you have the night sweat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he's not here.
		He's not here now.
		Let's go to one more call.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Matt in eastern Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Matt.
unidentified		I'd like to.
		I caught Joyce when you had her on the show last time.
		I was driving through Missouri on my way to North Carolina to visit a friend of mine that I'd served in the golf with and uh pardon me, I'm a little nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just say what you want to say, sir.
unidentified		Uh well that show really got me going.
		Uh I I'd uh I'd like to thank Joyce for what she's doing.
		Uh here just a couple days ago, I just I recently received her uh information, her tapes and and so forth in the mail.
		And uh I just I just really want to thank her.
		There was a lot of information on that show that uh just went to the heart of a lot of things that I've been wondering about.
		I uh I'm thankful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for that.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I hope you do well and and stay in touch with me if I can help you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, wildguard line you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi Joyce.
		This is Mitch in Seattle.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Hi Mitch.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm an expat.
		I was stationed in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War.
		You guys hit about three clicks from my compound.
		So I guess I just wanted to give a voice to all the expatriates in the area during the time.
		You haven't mentioned anything about us.
		I do remember on your last show you mentioned that it was airborne and that it could travel hundreds of miles.
		So if you could just give a little information about that.
		Myself I have come down with some of the symptoms such as the rash, chronic fatigue, and some other ailments.
		But I've been too nervous to speak about it myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well there were a lot of scuds blown up over the Riyadh area as well or that were destroyed one way or the other or impacted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, you've got a good point.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh yes, there were many, many Scuds.
		Let me say that the area that we find that is affected with this disease now goes into United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, all around the theater of operations.
		Even people that were in Germany and Turkey are now ill.
		So this disease did not keep itself right there in the central area.
		The equipment is now spreading the disease.
		Many of those that took care of the patients or the equipment coming out of that area are also sick.
		You know, he said he's been afraid to speak about the disease.
		I need to address this because a lot of the active duty military are not allowed to talk about it.
		They cannot mention go-for-elements.
		He just mentioned the primary symptoms, chronic fatigue, the rash.
		They get lymph nodes, swelling, night sweat, migraine headaches, memory loss, concentration loss.
		And then it goes into more significant things after that.
		But this is not a disease.
		It's just a rash in the disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it's so much like AIDS.
		Joyce, hold on.
		We'll do another hour.
		Stay right where you are.
		Joyce Riley is my guest.
unidentified		We're talking about the Gulf War mess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And oh, it is a mess in more ways than one.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
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		12, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
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		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 12th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		My guest is Joyce Riley.
		The call-in lines restricted to veterans of the Gulf War or their families.
		So if that's you, give us a call.
		If not, sit back, relax, and listen to one sorry, sorry story.
		And we'll be back to Joyce in a moment.
unidentified		Weird stories on the radio.
		Must be Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
		What do you think about disclosure?
		I have said all along it's not coming from official sources.
		It'll come from whistleblowers.
		I can't figure it out, can you?
		They know they're sitting on something and they know they can't keep it hidden forever.
		The so-called disclosure is happening almost daily.
		It's like the thing is accelerating.
		I think disclosure is sort of happening all around us to the point where, you know, everybody kind of goes, okay, we know they're here.
		What's for dinner, honey?
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		You know, there is terrorism out there.
		So in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
		I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
		I think you're absolutely correct.
		But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
		And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
		Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
		Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
		Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
		It's just a matter of time.
		Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell All right, my guest is Joyce Riley, and she has read on the air what may well be a classified document, or it may now be declassified.
		At any rate, it clearly tells the story of biological agents that killed 50 Iraqi soldiers during the war in an area where our soldiers were as well.
		It clearly demonstrates biologicals were used during the war.
		And Joyce, I want to open up one more item before we go back to the phone lines here.
		In his book, microbiologist Larry Harris says the U.S. is at high risk bacteriological attack with anthrax and pneumonic plague by Iraqi agents who are in the country now with disease vials.
		They are preparing to wage large-scale bacteriological warfare, he says, with a probable attack date of July of 97.
		Now, I've seen this stuff floating around on the Internet, and I'm sure you probably have too.
		Do you know anything about this?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I kind of would just assume not comment on that information.
		I've seen no documentation.
		I've asked for it.
		I've not been able to verify any of that information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've mixed two of us.
		I thought I would have to ask, though.
		It's flying all over the Internet, and you've got to be very careful.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And that's why I try to stay with the documentation, because this stuff gets real dangerous.
		What I'm saying tonight is like the most critical thing anybody in this country is saying today.
		And I want to be as specific and as accurate as I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you were aware of this junk float around, too?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Well, yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		My name is Matthew.
		I'm in Jacksonville, North Carolina.
		Nancy, is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Sorry, Joyce.
		One thing I have a problem with is names and events.
		I have not much difficulty with a set course of events in order to accomplish a task.
		I can do that, but I forget names.
		What happened to me was I came back from the war in March, and apparently I was fine until July.
		I got sick.
		I got so sick that they hospitalized me.
		I had a 105-degree temperature.
		And then a couple weeks later, maybe a month, I got real sick.
		I had ocular palsy.
		I had loss of sensation and fingertips of both hands, loss of reflexes in all extremities.
		They were afraid that I was going to go into a respiratory arrest.
		They hospitalized me at Fort Bragg.
		My wife is extremely scared.
		I would like to know what is the mortality rate.
		Those who have expressed that they have thousand symptoms, how many of them have or will die within a couple of years?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can't give you any estimate.
		I don't know because a lot of this has to do with the strength of your own immune system.
		If you get treatment, there's a lot of alternative agents out there that help, alternative medicine items that work.
		I don't know how to answer your question.
		I can simply say find out as much as you can about the disease.
		Get outside the VA because you're not going to be told the truth inside the VA.
		Get some help.
		Does your wife have any symptoms?
unidentified		She has a few.
		One of the ones I do have is night sweats.
		She's really complained about that.
		She has expressed some concerns here.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, night sweats is spread from husband to wife by the perspiration, and literally both of you will develop it if you don't already have it.
		It goes into the joint pain and then the fevers and on and on.
		This is the disease that is passing throughout the general population.
		And it doesn't even limit itself to Gulf War families.
		America, we're talking about a disease, we're talking about a Holocaust, we're talking about an epidemic.
		And here I am saying this on a national news, a national radio program, and what is happening?
		They're continuing to suffer and continuing to die.
		And call me and get the information so that you all can get treated.
unidentified		What was the name of the drug again, please?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		And then the name of the cycle.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Doxycycline is a tetracycline antibiotic, D-O-X-Y, C-Y-C-L-I-N-E.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a broad-spectrum antibiotic?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		It's a tetracycline.
		And if you are allergic to tetracycline, you can utilize CIPRO or Zithromax, C-I-P-R-O or Zithromax.
		But please write to me and I can send you all the information on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		As with this little piece of, I don't know what you call it, nothing I can call it on the air about somebody about to attack us or something that's floating around on the internet.
		How do you separate the truth from false information?
		How do you do that?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the way I started out was I will tell you right off the bat.
		I was given some documents by an external asset from the Customs Department.
		This person approached me with documentation that biologicals and chemicals had been sold to Saddam Hussein.
		I had no idea up to this point, Art, because I was a captain in the Air Force, served my country, loved being a flight nurse.
		That's all I knew, except that I was sick.
		This person provided me four four-inch binders worth of documents of the transfers of biological and chemical agents through Jordan into Iraq.
		This was a total shock to me.
		I thought George Bush was the greatest thing I'd ever met.
		I mean, I was so patriotic, and I still am.
		But when I got this information, it changed my whole attitude.
		I had to start looking in a different direction to find out why people were sick.
		So I started looking at biological and chemicals.
		Now, everything that I get, be it a government document or whatever, I try to get a first-hand source that can verify that source and then move on from there.
		But a lot of this material that's floating around, people do have to be very careful because there are a lot of people that are trying to discredit me right now.
		And let me tell you that there's been on the Internet and also in some magazines a fact that I have written a book called Nurse Riley Speaks.
		I have not written a book.
		And I want everyone to know that it states that it tries to link me to the Israeli Mossad involvement in the Gulf War.
		That's absolutely ridiculous.
unidentified		I don't even know how to spell Mossad.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		And I did not write a book called Nurse Riley Speaks.
		I just had something else come out in which they said that everything that I provide is baseless assumptions, totally unsubstantiated information, and I am just trying to fire the fuel or fuel the fire of anti-government and anti-patriotic behavior.
		Nothing could be more further from the truth.
		I am using documentation to prove to the Americans that there are foreign and domestic enemies, and the domestic enemies are the ones that we need to expose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that document you read seemingly to prove that Iraqis were killed by biologicals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many sources do you have on that?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I have two sources on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		My name's Ed, and I live in West Central Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ed.
unidentified		And I served in Desert Storm with a mass unit that supported 3rd AD.
unidentified		I want to tell y'all, we did have chemical casualties.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I need to talk to you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had chemical casualties.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		They would never decontaminate.
		We were already working on them by the time we realized what we had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the attitude of the intelligence community?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you had chemical casualties and you knew it, then obviously there was a chance you were going to do something like you're doing right now and go on a radio talk show and say it.
unidentified		No, we were imagining it.
		They're in and out.
		I don't think, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
unidentified		Nothing I ever said.
		I do have symptoms.
		I have muscle pains.
		I was diagnosed with Guillain Baré syndrome here a while back.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Now that's one of the diagnoses that we're finding most often given to Gulf War veterans.
		It's a very, very rare disease.
		And Guillain Beret is not something to mess around with.
		Are you being treated by a VA?
unidentified		No.
		I went to the VA and I went to the VA in Kansas City.
		And when I went there the first time, the doctor looked at me and said, I can check you for tick bites or flea bites.
		And I was like, well, yeah, thanks.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, please do get in touch with me.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Now, here what he is saying is very important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does he have?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, he has Ginberea, neuromuscular disease, which many of the GoFor veterans have.
		And this is very tragic because it can get much, much worse.
		And what he is saying, though, is he was with the 3rd AD, a MASH unit with the 3rd AD.
		The 3rd Armored Division is one of the sickest units.
		Other than the 101st and the 82nd Airborne, the 3rd AD is one of the sickest, the hardest hit.
		He was with the MASH unit taking care of those guys.
		Those guys, the 3rd and the 1st AD, saw many chemical casualties.
		There are so many people out there that know about this.
		We have full knowledge chemicals were used from day one by both sides in this war.
		Now, by denying the fact that they have had chemical exposure, they're getting worse and they're dying.
		And by denying the fact they had biological exposure, they're giving the disease to other people.
		Now, I have an individual who has reported to me that he watched nine individuals die with chemical exposure, and he said it took an hour and 37 minutes for them to die.
		He said, it is the most god-awful experience you will ever, ever see.
		And he said, my only regret is I did not put a bullet through their head and get them out of their misery.
		Now, these people are out there, and the Pentagon is lying as fast as they can to tell everybody that what is really the truth is not the truth.
		And America, you've got to come to our aid.
		I cannot do it alone.
		Art Bell cannot do it alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, caller, would you contact Joyce Riley at 281-587-5437?
unidentified		Okay, this second there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I think he's going to take it off the radio.
		Again, that's 281-587-5437.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
		How you doing?
		My name is Jeff, and I was in the Marine Corps during Desert Storm, and I was over there for approximately about eight months.
		We were an amphibious unit.
		We were one of the first amphibious units out there.
		And I've talked with some of my friends who have gotten out.
		I am out now.
		And every once in a while, you know, we talk about it, but we haven't really had anyone come down with any illnesses or anything like that.
		I was wondering if you had heard anything about any of us veterans that were out basically in the Gulf itself coming down with any of the symptoms.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, good for you, and I'm glad to hear that.
		And my list of units here, which are the sickest, I don't have any amphibious units, but let me tell you that there is, I believe it was the USS Independence that has reported a lot of illnesses because they had equipment that came back.
		The aircraft that landed on the aircraft carrier was not decontaminated.
		And there are many of those guys in the Navy that are quite ill.
		The 1st Marine Division is probably the sickest unit.
unidentified		Bravo 14.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
unidentified		Bravo Company 14.
		That's 1st Marine Division.
		Correct.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They are probably the sickest unit of the Marines right now.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know anything about the amphibious units, but I can tell you that, yes, some of the aircraft carriers have guys that are quite ill.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		If I could, I'd like to get a hold of your tape, videotape.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Please call me.
		Please call me at 281-587-5437.
		And by the way, there's been a coin minted, believe it or not, for the Gulf War illness, and on it it says, it's a silver coin, and it says, Desert Shield, Desert Storm, the Persian Gulf Experiments.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Joyce, I want to touch on one more quick thing here.
		And that is, on the phone, when we talked the other day very briefly, you said something that really, really caught my attention.
		Something about experimentation or a new bill that is going to allow experimentation on the American population?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		And those of you on the internet can get it.
		Let me give you the site for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but tell us what it is, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		What it is, is it states that as of January 16th of 1996, the Department of Defense or their contractor has the right to experiment with biological and chemical agents on the general population in this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Get it for yourself.
		It also states that the only thing that the DOD or their contractor must do is give 30 days notice to the civilian authority that they are going to do the experimental.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what does that mean that DOD contacts the local dog catcher and says, this is your 30-day notice that we're going to be spraying some kind of aerosol over San Francisco or something?
unidentified		Good.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That is good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, how can they possibly do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who authorized this?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's United States Code Annotated.
		I don't know who authorized it, but it's in the USCA.
		So you can all get it and download it yourself.
		I have found people that are incredibly appalled about this that didn't even know it in the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's insanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's insanity.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no question it's insanity.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		This whole thing is insanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, give me the URL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where can we get it?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's USCA, United States Code Annotated.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Title 50, Chapter 32, Section 1520.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, again, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		USCA, Title 50, Chapter 32.
unidentified		32, Section 1520.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Section 1520.
unidentified		What kinds of things could...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Releasing what sort of things?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I happen to know that there have been some incidents of, quote-unquote, spraying.
		Now, I know of some individuals that have, quote-unquote, come down with the Gulf War illness because of some spraying incidents, because of the smell of the spray that was sprayed on them, and they nearly died.
		And I don't want to be conspiratorial about this, but I do know that it happened in one particular area.
		Also, the testing of biological and chemical weapons at the Texas Department of Corrections in Huntsville, Texas prior to the Gulf War.
		We haven't gotten into that, but that's where the primary biological agent was tested prior to being utilized in the Persian Gulf War.
		So we know that it's gone on, and we know that that appears there on the Internet and in the USCA.
		You can get it from the law library.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the address of the place on the Internet where you can get this?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I apologize.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I don't have it in front of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There will be those out there who will know how and will let us know how.
		All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Robert in Bakersfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		All right, glad to get through.
unidentified		Joyce, I cut your first show with Arbel a few months ago, I guess, and happy to hear you're doing a follow-up tonight.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, this is really fantastic information.
		I was an MP assigned to the 1st Brigade of the 3rd Armored Division.
		And one of the things that we noticed, one of the last jobs we did before we pulled out of Iraq itself, was we did a checkpoint on the Basra-Kuwait City Highway called Checkpoint Charlie.
		And we were the northernmost troops at that time in that area.
		We were only about two miles south of Basra.
		And all these Iraqi civilians were, and soldiers, were fleeing into the south to try to get away from the Republican Guard.
		And we've been receiving reports from the Iraqis themselves that the Republican Guard was gassing Iraqi civilians in Basra itself.
		And though I didn't see any evidence of that myself as far as people that showed symptoms of being mustard, having mustard agents or anything like that, the only thing I can think of is that they were too recently exposed for the symptoms to have shown up.
		We asked about it and within about one or two days we were told, no, it's a false alarm, don't worry about it.
		I was wondering if you'd heard anything on that.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard about the large numbers of Iraqi men, women, and children that were found dead with no discernible cause of death.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		What we don't know is who used what on whom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what we do know is the Iraqis used gas against their own on several occasions.
		Joyce, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12th, 1996.
		Took my baby's life.
		Last, latter evening, came to the old oak tree.
		It stands beside the river where you were to meet me on the ground.
		Your glove I found with a note addressed to me.
		The End
		The End
		Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired December 12th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Joyce Riley.
		She treated Gulf War vets.
		She got sick.
		And now she's trying to expose what's really going on with whatever was released over there.
		And we'll get back to her in a moment.
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		What do you think about disclosure?
		I have said all along it's not coming from official sources.
		It'll come from whistleblowers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't figure it out.
unidentified		Can you?
		They know they're sitting on something and they know they can't keep it hidden forever.
		The so-called disclosure is happening almost daily.
		It's like the thing is accelerating.
		I think disclosure is sort of happening all around us to the point where, you know, everybody kind of goes, okay, we know they're here.
		What's for dinner, honey?
		Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Joyce Riley.
		Joyce, question for you, and it's a good one, too.
		Is there any, would you speculate a bit, if you wouldn't mind, on what might occur to our military's battlefield effectiveness if this disease is left untreated?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no question right now it's mitigating the effectiveness of our military.
		Let me give you a statistic that comes from the Department of Defense, and that is that out of the 700,000 Gulf War veterans, or out of the 700,000 troops that served during the Persian Gulf War, already 550,000 of them have been separated from the military.
		Many of them are being medically separated, if not most of them, and they're being separated below retirement.
		So you've got 18 and a half year lieutenant colonels that are being sent out of the military, no benefits, no nothing.
		Now, I believe that this is mitigating the effectiveness of our military.
		The 101st airborne, the 82nd airborne are sick.
		They're not allowed to talk about it, but they're sick.
		Here's one issue I really need to address with regard to the status of our troops, is that many of the troops that served in the Persian Gulf have this problem.
		They have a hair-trigger temper right now.
		Their minds have been messed with with this biological and chemical reagents.
		And I'm not talking about a mental problem.
		I'm talking about something that is causing their brains to malfunction.
		They are, nobody's called in and talked about this except for, I believe, one person, but they have a hair trigger.
		They cannot respond normally.
		They are getting violent.
		And I'm working on five murder cases right now where Gulf War veterans who were really, I mean, choir boys prior to the Gulf War have done vicious murders.
		So we need to look at the fact that these troops are sick.
		They really need help.
		They cannot control their tempers.
		I got a call from a guy the other night.
		He had a gun to his head and he was ready to commit suicide.
		They say to me, either I'm going to kill myself or someone else.
		This is so serious.
		We have police officers that are carrying guns right now that were MPs over there.
		And many of the MP units are sick because they took care of the British or of the EPWs, the enemies, prisoners of war, of the Iraqis.
		Those guys were exposed to chemical weapons.
		They now are biological weapons.
		And now our troops are sick.
		Here is a real, real challenge, and that is the Gulf War veterans that are police officers cannot go to a VA and be treated because 90% of them are given mental diagnoses of depression, some psychological diagnosis.
		If they do, they can't carry a gun.
		I have a police captain right now who cannot even seek treatment for fear that he will be told it's all in his head and lose his job.
		These guys are committing vicious acts of violence, and it is not like them.
		They don't know who they murdered, and they don't know why.
		And I want any of those people to contact me because we're trying to put together the number of Gulf War veterans that are on death row right now or serving prison sentences.
unidentified		Boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will get the numbers out again, Joyce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Joyce.
		Hi there.
		Oh, you are a godsend, let me tell you, girl.
		My name is Gail.
		I'm from Spokane, Washington.
		I talked to Art about a week ago that I had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia in October of 1993, right after my son got out of the Army with the Gulf War.
		My sister has it.
		Both of my sisters now have it.
		My 13-year-old daughter has it.
		My husband is got most of the symptoms now.
		My God, I can't believe this.
		I am so glad I'm listening tonight.
		They diagnosed me and told me that I was mentally retarded and autistic.
		It was all in my head.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're not the only one.
unidentified		And you're going, what?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Now, here's what's going on right now.
		You're telling all these people all over the country they're mentally ill.
		All the Gulf War veterans are mentally ill.
		And you know, we have an outbreak of a disease that is not being treated.
		The CDC will not address it.
		And it's passing.
		I have one Gulf War veteran who said that every person I've lived with since the Gulf War is now in a wheelchair with fibromyalgia.
		This is nothing to kid around about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they trying to tell us mental illness is communicable?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, they would make you believe that because they have no explanation for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not going to go down real easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Joyce Rowley.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, yeah.
		This is Kent from Honolulu.
		Hello, Joyce.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Kent.
unidentified		I have some good news.
		I've got my hands on a Bell's unit.
		It's a bioelectrical light stimulator.
		And worked with a couple of the Gulf War vets here.
		It uses a multi-wave later.
		And what it does is it helps reconfigure RNA in the virus's genetic material.
		And it's working.
		And I have the information.
		I'm going to shoot it off to you.
		I just purchased one.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
unidentified		Sure.
		All the best to you, Joyce.
		You're doing a great job.
		Hang in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, sir.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Use to the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on there with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes.
		This is Mike from Columbia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Columbia, Missouri?
unidentified		Columbia, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		KFRU.
		All right.
		Yes.
		Yeah.
		One thing I would like to say to Joyce, I am familiar with the incident she was talking about with the Iraqi mugger that blew up.
		Yes.
		Yeah, I do believe that has been unclassified, but I am not sure about that.
		But yeah, I just have a few questions for you.
		Yeah, I was with a unit 4-7 Infantry, which was the advance guard for 1st Armor.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Which one, I'm sorry?
unidentified		4-7?
unidentified		4-7.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		4-7.
unidentified		Okay.
		Yeah, and I didn't really notice any problems when I came back other than maybe some fatigue for the first few months.
		And I never had any problems after that, really.
		I did get myself checked at the VA, but like I said, I never had any symptoms.
		And it does seem to me that most of the people that are having problems were in rear deployed units that possibly would have been better targets for an area weapon like chemical or biological.
		But I do have some concerns.
		You mentioned pyridostigmine bromide?
		Yes.
		Yeah.
		What type of side effects have those had?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, people are having nerve muscle damage from that, primarily nerve damage.
		It's real hard to tell which is periodostigmine bromide, which is not.
		I mean, there's been very strange bleeding problems.
		Most of the Gulf War veterans that took the PD pills are sicker than the ones that didn't.
		And here's the caveat here, is that PD pills should never have been given to anyone in the presence of sarin gas.
unidentified		Sarin gas is the gas that was utilized most often.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		It's a cholinesterase inhibitor that makes it only, it only makes it 10 times worse if they're exposed to sarin gas.
		Why they were given those pills, we don't know.
		They should have never been given.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's touch on the inoculations.
		What inoculations were given and what impact did they have?
		A lot of people think that's the cause of this.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what Schwarzkopf is trying to say right now, is it must be the immunizations.
		But we don't know.
		Here's the problem.
		They weren't put in the shot records.
		You are not allowed to have several of your immunizations placed in there.
		You were told, shut up, get your shot, and move on.
		Now, because of that, they violated Nuremberg Code.
		They said it was because we don't want the enemy to know what we're inoculating you with or they'll use that agent.
		And that was primarily anthrax.
		Well, now they're telling the world we're going to inoculate 1.2 million of our troops or whatever with the anthrax, and they're not making any bones about it.
		I am sorry, but I don't think we got what we thought we were getting.
		I don't think we will ever know what we got.
		I do believe it's a problem because those like myself that got sick, that did not serve in the Persian Gulf, had to have gotten it either from the exposure to the troops or the immunizations, either one.
		And by the way, for everybody wondering why this has not been carried on the news, it recently broke in the news in Spokane, Washington.
		KEM TV, a CBS affiliate with Tom Grant, broke the entire story, 10 segments.
		If you're, you know, and you can get that, you would be amazed at what he told on the air.
		For the first time in America, somebody has the guts to stand up and tell the truth about the Gulf War illness, KREM news to CBS affiliate in Spokane, and I commend them heartily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Maybe there'll be more of it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, this is Mike.
		I'm from Tacoma, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		Yeah, Joyce, I served in the Gulf over there in the 3rd Armored Division, 38 Cav.
		And I was there from December of 90 until June of 91.
		And I haven't heard anything about the kind of illnesses.
		I've had a couple things go on here with like a SIF.
		And they spurred up on my hands and my feet.
		And I've had a couple of my groin area there.
		And I haven't heard anything about that.
		I'm not the kind of person that will go out and go seek medical attention.
		I just kind of treat it myself.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Sure, and you're like most of the guys, really, because when these little things come up, you don't pay any attention to them.
		Well, those cysts, if they're removed, will probably come back.
		That's what I'm getting reports.
unidentified		That's what happened to me.
unidentified		They keep coming back, or it leaves a scar, a real hard scar.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And some of these cysts are turning into tumors.
		There has now been, and I don't want to scare you all, but I want to tell you there is a confidential Not-for-release document from the VA that shows that there is over a 600% increase in the tumor rates in the active duty military from 91 to 94.
		Now that is horrendous.
		That is horrendous that you haven't been told about that.
		And Representative Shays has that information.
		But yes, tumors and cysts, it's a very big problem.
		We don't know why.
		Again, is it biological?
		Is it chemical?
		Is it depleted uranium?
		I don't know.
unidentified		What kind of worries me is that I have a rash on my calves.
		Also, sometimes at night my arms go numb and I'll wake up and my whole arm is just numb.
		And I'm wondering if it's something that's internal that I can't feel or know about.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the biggest symptoms reported is your arm is going numb at nighttime.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully it will not progress to the daytime where your arms can be numb in the daytime also.
unidentified		No, once you exercise them they're okay.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		Once you move around.
		Now I had that problem terribly.
		It drives you up a wall.
		But hopefully yours won't get any worse.
		Mine did get better and I'm fine now.
		So I hope it works for you too.
unidentified		Right.
		Also I read something or I heard it on the radio.
		I'm not sure.
		A letter that's supposed to go out to veterans of the Gulf War to go seek medical attention from the BA hospital.
		I haven't received one myself and I'm retired like I said.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Most people haven't.
		Even the people that were at the Camasia bunker have not received that letter.
		I've got a list of all the people, 20,867 that are supposed to have received that letter that were at Camasia from 4 to 15 of March of 91.
		Unfortunately, most of them have not received the letter.
		I have seen a couple of them.
		But the whole problem is, so what if you get a letter?
		They're going to send you in, they're going to evaluate you, take your blood, and not treat you.
		And unfortunately, I'm sorry.
		I know what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Dan Rather and CBS is listening to you, Art, and we the people, because this last night, evening news, he, Dan Rather, mentioned for first time mysterious lights being seen near Long Island by two different airline pilot crews on two different airlines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, sir.
		Well, that has nothing to do with me.
		That is a report by a commercial airliner that saw something that they are concerned might have been.
		They didn't say it, a missile, something.
		But that doesn't relate to what we're talking about.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		My name is Dave.
		I'm from Taylor, Michigan.
		Yes, sir.
		I was in the Gulf War.
		I was in the Marines.
		I was in 3rd Battalion, 9th Marines.
		And I was wondering, Joyce, if anybody from that unit or 1st Marine Division, a lot of them have come down with us because I don't think I have any symptoms.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I've not heard from your particular unit, so it sounds like they're...
unidentified		Okay.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		I'm just worried.
unidentified		I don't want to have something come down the line or anything like that.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may be one of the safe units, so go ahead and get the video anyway.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		At least you'll have the information.
unidentified		Everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So back to the phones.
		Not a lot of time.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
unidentified		Hi, this is Minnie from Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I have a daughter who was in the Gulf War, and I worked for the VA during the Agent Orange thing.
		And they have this problem that the veteran can't sue the government if he pays the lawyer more than $10.
		We've got to get rid of that law.
		And I suggest everybody call their congressmen and their senators, write letters, and object to that so that lawyers could go to work on behalf of the veterans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is that.
		And then there is the question to you, Joyce, and that is, a lot of people are sitting out there this morning absolutely horrified at all this.
		How do they help?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, great.
		Please call Representative Shays of Connecticut.
		I don't have his number handy, but call the Congress switchboard.
		Tell Congressman Shays you want Joyce Riley and Dr. Goss, Dr. Larry Goss, to testify before the oversight hearings.
		We need to get the truth out, and thus far they have not allowed me to present this evidence.
		I am not afraid that anyone can refute what I say, but they will not let me before the oversight committee.
		This information needs to get out, and America deserves to know the truth.
		Also, I'm going to be in Missoula, Montana tomorrow night to see the Gulf War veterans there and at the University of Montana on Saturday night.
		We have got to have America's help to do this.
		And I thank you so much, Art, for this opportunity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why in the world would they let you testify?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I've sent them my evidence.
		I've sent them my chip material.
		I have testified before the Presidential Advisory Commission, which, by the way, I told them all the truth about the Gulf War illness that we know.
		They did not include it in their interim report.
		And thus far, they spent $82 million.
		Clinton spent $89 million proving there is no Gulf War illness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a lot of treatment, wouldn't it?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		All right, I could have proven it for $36.40 in copying charges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess you just conclude they don't want to hear the truth.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		They don't want America to know the truth because we have a communicable illness, just like every one of your callers have talked about, called fibromyalgia, called polymyositis, called Gulf War illness, and chronic fatigue.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		It is out there, it's getting worse, and they don't want you to know that we have had this evidence since 1993, and they have failed to tell you, and it is criminal intent, it is treason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if you did read a classified document, you are certainly an irritation to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Joyce, are you concerned they may come a knocking?
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		You know, Art, at this point, there's a million Gulf War veterans' lives at stake.
		I am sure that I am going to be found guilty of some unbelievable crime, probably, that I never even knew anything about.
		I am sure that I will be removed from the scene somehow.
		We have said over and over that, in fact, I call George Bush when I'm on the radio in Houston and say, do not think that silencing our story will silence the issue.
		It will only make us stronger.
		Because America now knows about this and we're not going to stop.
		And if I have to confront the Pentagon directly, and in fact, I'd like for you to have Dr. Stephen Joseph on, I would love to debate him from the Pentagon as to what in the world they think they're doing by trying to lie to the American public because they have access to the major media.
		They can tell America that black is white and America is believing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the sad part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That really is the sad part.
unidentified		It is.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		And you know, you have Dr. Lynn Horowitz on your program, which I must commend you for.
		The guy has a tremendous book out called Emerging Viruses, and there you will see more of the ugly truth.
		It is there, America, avail yourself, and we must do something because Art, they have crossed the line in the sand.
		You know, I got letters after the last program of World War II pilots, and literally this one guy said, I'm listening to Art Bell, and I'm writing to you, and the blotches on this paper are the tears that I cannot control.
		I had no idea this was going on.
		I can never trust my government again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had many very similar responses.
		Joyce, I'd like to say it's been a pleasure, but it's been kind of a horror having you on, and yet a pleasure to have you here personally.
		We will have you on again.
		I wish you well in your quest.
		Stay safe out there.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
joyce riley ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's Joyce Riley, folks.
		All right, if you would like a copy of this program, it is a three-hour program.
		It's very important to note, you would want to request the three-hour program with Joyce Riley.
		It's good documentation.
		Kind of a horror, wasn't it?
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
		And if it's far away, get you down, you can breathe.
		And if it's hard away...
		...you can breathe.
		And if it's hard to breathe.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight's an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to believe this.
unidentified		You're just not going to believe it.
unidentified		But I'm afraid we've got the proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming up in a moment, Joyce Raleigh was absolutely correct, and we've got the proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll get to all that in a moment.
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		You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
		I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
		I think you're absolutely correct.
		But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
		And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
		Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
		Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
		Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
		It's just a matter of time.
		You're listening to Art Bells Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember when Robert Morningsky, a couple of mornings ago, said men and women will be confused by a fog or a blanket that comes over them?
		Do you remember that?
		Let me read you something that I just got from Gene in Salem, Oregon.
		I just looked it up.
		50 U.S. Code S 1520 says the DOD may conduct tests involving the use of chemical or biological agents on civilian populations.
		All that the statute requires before these tests may be conducted is that one, the armed services committees of both houses of Congress are notified, and two, that the test may not begin until 30 days after local civilian officials are notified.
		The statute does not define local officials, nor does it require notification to the public.
		Now, this is so incredible that my inclination when Joyce said it, and even now, would be to say, uh-uh, I don't believe it.
		That's insanity.
		I don't believe it.
		Well, if you go up to my webpage right now, we already have a link in to the Cornell Law School, which I'm sorry to say will verify everything I just said.
		You can read it for yourself.
		You can read it for yourself.
		The link is on my webpage now.
		Have we lost our damn minds?
		Have we truly lost our minds?
		Why in God's name would there be a provision allowing chemical And biological testing on U.S. civilian populations?
unidentified		Have they lost their minds?
unidentified		Go take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make a copy.
		Show it to your friends.
		Frame it.
		I swear to God, I don't know what's going on around here anymore.
		I really don't know what's going on anymore.
unidentified		I just can't believe that this could be true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't take my word for it.
unidentified		Thank God for the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm beginning to think it's the only defense we've got against general insanity.
		Somebody must have brought insanity back.
		Maybe that's spreading as a communicable disease, insanity.
		Their minds.
		I just, you know.
		I don't know what to say about this.
		Except go see for yourself.
		Open lines, I guess.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'm on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can't talk until you get it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it stays on, I've got to move on.
unidentified		Oh, I got it.
unidentified		We're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Illinois, and I can't believe I got through like everyone else does.
unidentified		You were talking about people must be going insane that they've passed this bill to arbitrarily spray the civilians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, look, that's even past insane to me.
		And I swear to you, ma'am, I wouldn't have believed it, but I just went on my own webpage.
		Keith got there.
		I went up there on my own webpage and read it.
unidentified		Yeah, I heard you say that.
		Well, maybe somebody else besides our own government wants to take over the country, and the best way to get rid of the people is to get rid of their line of defense first.
		So they're going after the military person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the hell are they doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to war with us?
unidentified		Well, it's a different kind of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't just shrug this off.
unidentified		What do you mean, well, they're going to spray the American people with bombs?
		Well, I'm not going to shrug it off.
		I'm not going to shrink it off at all.
		I'm horrified at this.
		But I'm saying if somebody wanted to come in and take over the country, what better way of doing it?
		You get rid of the military, and then you get rid of half the populace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this is our government.
unidentified		It may be a portion of the government.
		She said that some of the officials didn't know about it themselves.
		You might also consider that if this bill has been in effect all of last year, this may account for your mutated frogs, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel like, well, all right, ma'am, thank you very much for the call.
		Let me roll over this with you again.
		You want to see it?
		You want to see it?
		Come on up to the web.
unidentified		Take a look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't take my word for it.
		It's a link to the Cornell Law School.
		But read it again.
		Art Bell, I just looked it up.
		50 USCS 1520 says the DOD may conduct tests involving the use of chemical or biological agents on civilian populations.
		All the statute requires before these tests may be conducted is that one, the armed services committees of both houses of Congress are notified.
		Two, the test may not begin until 30 days after local civilian officials are notified.
		The statute does not define local officials, nor does it require notification to the public.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		No, I guess you're not.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, this is Thomas from Ellendorf, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Thomas.
unidentified		Hi.
		I joined service in 92, which is right after all was said and done.
		But now my wife has one of the symptoms of Gilforth syndrome.
		And I wanted to know if my facial chronic pain syndrome, which is basically the same thing as the other.
		And they're treating it with Elavil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, I can't answer these questions.
		Joyce Riley perhaps could have, but I can't.
		And the best advice I could give you is to call that number and get information from Joyce.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		I don't dispense medical advice.
		I'm not qualified.
		And so if you call me up and say I'm taking the following for the following symptoms, I wish I could help you, but that's not my field.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is downtown Dave from Acres, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		God, what's going on, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I swear I don't know.
unidentified		Man, I've got a suggestion.
		I've been studying health food products, and they talk about the doxophilin used in treating the mycoplasma incognitus.
		And my suggestion, and my research, has shown that colloidal silver is killing over 650 pathogens and viruses.
		And that, you know, you found out in the British Medical Journal about the antibiotics taking on I've heard a lot of good things about colloidal silver.
		Yeah, and I really think that that might be one of our only hopes.
		And also another substance called Immunol 500 that's a liver oil from the deep sea sharks off the coast of Scandinavia.
		And if I could mention it, it's one of the most effective things to boost the immune system.
		It has alkoxyglycerols.
		And those are the main things found in our human immune system that boost our immune system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate the word, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of alternative treatments that have a lot of value out there.
		There's absolutely no question about it.
		The problem is there are so many now that, you know, like what's a mother to do?
		How do you know what to turn to?
		Everybody makes claims and there are so Many that it's becoming very confusing for somebody trying to figure out what kind of treatment in the alternative arena to pursue.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hi Art.
		Let me get my radio.
		Man, I wish I could have gotten a hold of earlier.
		This is Gary out in Modesto, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Gary.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're listening.
unidentified		Yeah, I wish I could have got on earlier.
		I just have a question.
		Did she mention anything about the length of exposure?
		I served in the Navy, and I did two tours in the Gulf region.
		And this was pretty much afterwards when we were still in force in the UN sanctions.
		And because, I mean, she mentioned something that kind of really got my antennas up, and about the hair trigger anger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And this has been remarked in a couple members of my family that, you know, my anger has, I mean, it's like, as I put it, my Bravo Sierra tolerance has gone way down.
unidentified		And did she, I mean, I don't show any other symptoms as far as I know, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing about length of exposure, but it sounds to me as though you, just based on what you told me, you probably ought to call that number.
		I'll give it out again for Gulf War vets.
		It's 281-587-5437.
		She'll give you a copy of that tape if you're a Gulf War vet free of charge.
		281-587-5437.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Birmingham, Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Birmingham, yes, sir.
unidentified		I've been listening to you tonight.
		You was talking to that lady named Joyce.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		I'm a cab driver.
		And I work at the Birmingham Airport.
		And about halfway between Birmingham and Atlanta, in a town called Anniston, there's a military base called Fort McClellan.
		Right.
		Okay.
		They have two schools there.
		They have the MP School, and they have the Chemical and Biological Weapons School.
		Okay.
		Back in the summer, I picked up a man at the airport in Birmingham, and I took him to Fort McClellan, which is not uncommon.
		That happens all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure, I'm sure it does.
unidentified		Okay, while we were on the way, we got to talking.
		And one thing led to another.
		And he happened to mention that he was an instructor at the biological and chemical weapons school.
		Yes.
		And he told me that he was going to tell me some things that he wasn't supposed to, but he wasn't going to tell me his name.
		So what did he tell you?
		He told me that there definitely was biological weapons used in the Gulf War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our side, their side, both.
unidentified		He didn't say.
		But he did say that they were definitely used.
		And he said that if I said anything and it got back to him, he would deny it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, fortunately, you've kept your mouth shut.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		I think it's becoming pretty clear that they were used.
		Did we use them?
		I don't have evidence of that.
		I don't know.
		Were they used?
		Obviously.
		A government that would test biological and chemical agents against its own population?
		Its own population?
		This is not the America I knew.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		This is Don from Winona, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Don.
unidentified		I've got the number for Congressman Shea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I can't let you give it on the air because I'd have to check it out first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can't afford to give out a wrong number.
unidentified		Okay, Joyce Riley, give it to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		I'm working with Joyce.
		Now, here's some other suggestions for what we're doing up here in Minnesota.
		We're contacting our senators, getting them on it.
		We've given them the tapes.
		We're also contacting the state legislatures and getting them on it.
		Working on this thing to get something done in Washington, and we've been working all over Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa.
		We also are having some of these television stations that are public access that are playing the tape, and it's getting the word out.
		Good.
		Good.
		We're getting a lot of movement on here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way you're going to get things done.
unidentified		We really got to appreciate what Joyce is doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you.
		I also recommend you quickly go take a look at this statute.
		You know, this is past the point, in my opinion, of a debatable atrocity.
		I mean, this is so horrible that it's...
		I would have responded with absolute, utter, complete disbelief.
		It's insanity.
		Actual insanity.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Going once.
		Go on.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, we're talking about disease tonight, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Oh, KEX in Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These are open lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can talk about anything you want.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, you know about the bubonic plague that was acquired by this gentleman that Yes, uh-huh.
		Well, you know, there's still no law against buying it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I believe there has been no real change since that documented case of the man who just ordered up bubonic plague.
		You know, the culture.
unidentified		Here you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		$29.95.
		Plus shipping and handling.
		Arrives a couple days later, all refrigerated and ready for culturing.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		All right.
		I'll do that right now.
		Standing by.
		All right.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another case of somebody who doesn't have their radio nearby.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Goodbye.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hey, Art.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Got from Nashville, WTN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Oh, what a country, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is beyond the pale.
unidentified		I don't understand how in the world that we can sit here and listen to this.
		My blood is just boiling right now.
		I don't understand how our country has gotten this bad.
		I just want to almost bring back all the forefathers and just let them look at what this country has become.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like this is not the America I remember, even just a few years ago.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It can't be true.
		Well, I don't know what else we can do about it except to just sit here and hopefully enough people will get involved and we can just take this country back.
		I don't know.
		We don't need to do it by force.
		We just need to get involved in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I feel like punching somebody.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's what it makes you feel like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You feel like punching somebody.
unidentified		And the thing about it is, it's always a few people.
unidentified		It's always a few people that get a lot of power in and go crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but there can't possibly be a statute allowing experimentation on the general American public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There can't be.
unidentified		If I didn't know any better, I'd think I was in Nazi Germany.
unidentified		It is ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's ridiculous, is right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to run.
		Look, I'm in a chat room right now.
		AOL, if you want to join in, you're welcome to.
		It's just enter keyword Art Bell.
		We're in the Periscope area, the Grassy Knoll Chat Room.
unidentified		Come on in.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from December
		12, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
		Don't wanna be good, you're doing it, you're my girl.
		You're my girl.
		You're my girl.
		You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere In Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from December 12th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you feel a need to talk with others, and that's about half of why I do it, hearing this kind of information, I surely do understand that.
		That's why we've opened up in a chat room.
		If you'd like to join us, you're certainly welcome to.
		It's on America Online.
		And with their new policy, that is to say, whatever it is, 17, 19, 95 or something for unlimited online time, I think it's going to perk up the chat rooms considerably.
		And besides, when you're hearing these kinds of things, you really do need to talk to somebody else about it.
		Otherwise, you get feeling the way I do anyway.
		And I swear, there are not that many times I feel violent, but, you know, I read something like this, and I'd like to punch somebody.
unidentified		I'd like to lay somebody right out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How the hell can our own government do this?
unidentified		How can they do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, out in the open, there it is.
		Somebody just sent me a pack, why shouldn't the government test weapons against its enemies?
		In other words, the citizens?
		You know, I was in the Air Force.
		I came up the old-fashioned way, and I just, I'm breathless.
		I can't believe this could be true, and yet there it is, and we've got a link to it.
		Go read it.
		It's on the webpage.
		The link right up there to the Cornell Law link.
		And you can read this statute.
		It's insane.
		You've got to laugh lest you cry.
		At any rate, if you want to join us in the chat room, it's on American Line, and it's in an area called Periscope.
		Periscope.
		And you can get there by going online and just hitting keyword.
		And then when you get keyword, type in Art Bell or type in Periscope.
		Either way, you'll go to the Periscope area, and then when you get there, click on Grassy Knoll Chatroom.
		Boys thought that was pretty cool name for a chat room, the Grassy Knoll.
		So there you are.
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		What do you think about disclosure?
		I have said all along it's not coming from official sources.
		It'll come from whistleblowers.
		I can't figure it out.
		Can you?
		They know they're sitting on something and they know they can't keep it hidden forever.
		The so-called disclosure is happening almost daily.
		It's like the thing is accelerating.
		I think disclosure is sort of happening all around us to the point where, you know, everybody kind of goes, okay, we know they're here.
		What's for dinner, honey?
		Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a headline, a lead story this morning in some places, not leads in other places.
		The Saudi Arabian Airlines crew saw what they described as a flare-like object.
		Now, interestingly, the headline here on Reuters is, airline flare sighting reported.
		Airline flare sighting reported.
		How do they know it was a flare?
		I wonder.
		It was a 747 flying, I understand, near the same area as the other airliner.
		Now, if that's true, they would have been at some altitude.
		Now, I don't know a lot about flares.
		But if they were at 10,000 feet or more, there aren't too many flares that an airliner, I would think, would even see.
		Oh, they might, if they were looking almost straight down or at an angle from it.
		But it certainly wouldn't appear threatening, would it?
		Or was this aircraft closer to Kennedy, closer to landing or taking off?
		I don't know.
		Or is there something out there?
		Is there something out there?
		Now, this is, what, the second time that a major airliner has reported such an incident?
		Could there be something out there waiting, praying on our airliners?
		I don't know.
		Is that an unreasonable assumption?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Ark.
		Good morning.
		I just had two kind of follow-up questions for you.
		I was curious if you ever heard anything back from the gentleman, I think, in Arkansas who had...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got a fact from him indicating he had been attacked, physically attacked, the entity released, and then he gave me a number, and I've tried that number a gazillion times, and I can't get a hold of him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is as far as it has gone.
unidentified		Okay, I remember you saying that you aren't going to be able to get a hold for him or a hold of him for about a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He sent me a number that he said would be good in a week, and when that week went by, I've been trying it every day.
unidentified		Okay, I didn't hear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now you know.
unidentified		The other thing I wanted to ask, have you ever heard of anyone that had successfully sued the United States government to have the money returned to them that they had paid into Social Security?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not, sir.
		But that doesn't mean that it has not occurred.
		I think that there are people who have successfully withdrawn from the Social Security program.
		Now, I'm not sure that there are people who have recovered their money.
		I would tend to doubt that one, but who knows?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Say, I've got that same exact document that you got.
		In fact, I was trying to get it over to you, but Keith kind of beat me to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now it's available for everybody.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But does it strike you as surreal that there could even be such a thing?
unidentified		It's actually unbelievable, you know.
		It really is.
		But it's absolutely on the net.
		I had really no trouble finding it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I was trying to call you when Ms. Riley was on the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's real as a heart attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is a document saying they can experiment on us.
unidentified		Yeah, now there's something else I've got to tell you.
		I have a friend, okay, and he was involved in the radiation experiments the government conducted a few years back.
		And I did some research on the internet and found his files and got those to him.
		But he is in suit with the government over this radiation experiment that were done on him a number of years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who, yes, many who were experimented upon.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Children, pregnant women.
		And I know this is, it marks a very, very small difference, but at least they kept the damn thing secret.
		And it was revealed years later.
		Hazel O'Leary came forth and said, oh yes, we did this, we did this, and we did that, and we're not proud of it, and that's that.
		And that was then, and this is now.
unidentified		And now, they just say it straight out.
unidentified		You make it part of the, make it the law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, we've lost our minds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, this is way beyond the pale.
unidentified		This is so awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I'm not misreading this.
		I know I'm not misreading this.
		Go take a look yourself.
		There's a link right now on my webpage.
		It will take you to the Cornell Law Library, and you will read, you'll be able to read this particular section of code.
		It's real.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		With regard to the government testing biological weapons on civilians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And chemicals.
unidentified		Yeah, and chemicals.
		Well, it doesn't surprise me.
		As a matter of fact, you may recall about, it's been about a decade ago, there was this huge scandal about the government testing chemical and biological weapons on civilians in the subways of New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But sir, but sir, that was a scandal.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we've gone from it's a scandal, oh God, we did it, it was awful, to let's make it part of the law and just do it on a regular basis.
unidentified		Exactly.
		And you'd think they would have learned something.
		Another thing about the use of biological weapons during the Gulf War, whoever, who, it is now an open question as to who released those weapons.
		Because if Saddam Hussein had used those weapons, then we would have probably would have heard about Israelis coming down with the Gulf War syndrome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Israelis, sir, remember those scuds that were fired at Israel?
		Yeah, but she said there was one scud, to the best of her knowledge, I believe, that contained some chemical weapons and no biologicals.
		That's what Joyce Rowley said.
unidentified		And if you remember the United States did its damnedness to keep Israel from retaliating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And possibly retaliating with its nukes.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And so maybe we were just following our own policy.
		And even though chemicals and biologicals were used, we didn't make it public so we wouldn't have to retaliate as we were trying to prevent the Israelis from doing.
unidentified		And the U.S. did issue a very public warning to Saddam to not use those weapons against us, otherwise there would have been Swiss retaliation.
unidentified		Apparently it was public BS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Public BS.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		What the hell good are nuclear devices if you're not going to use them?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What good is the deterrent, the threat, if you don't have the backbone to use it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, are you familiar with Laura Day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you, sir.
unidentified		Are you aware of Laura Day in California?
		No.
		Okay, you might want to seek her out.
		She did a lot of research with the Four Corners region.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, there's your first example.
		That was a mnemonic plague virus.
		It's the same mnemonic plague virus that appeared at Surat, India.
		Also in Chile, they've had several outbreaks.
		So you're seeing an example of this U.S. art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, doesn't it bother you a little bit that there's U.S. code saying they can do this to civilians?
unidentified		Oh, Art.
		It's your own quickening here.
		It's all about power and who shall rule.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not the quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is the quickened.
unidentified		Jeez.
		But you're looking at it right there.
		It's about power and who shall rule.
		And if things are going to go in a disorganized fashion, of course the government wants these little rules to whip out of their black book.
		Little rules.
		Ha, ha, ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm flabbergasted.
		This week has been too much.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Excuse me, this is Greg in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, Greg.
unidentified		Long time listener, first time calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		The reason that I was calling, I was listening tonight, and excuse me, I'm a little nervous.
		When I hear about the Gulf War disease, it always reminds me of people going back to the time before the war when they first heard about it and they were upset that we were even going there.
		And Saddam Hussein is still there.
		And these people are soldiers.
		And we send them over there to fight a war and people get hurt.
		And I'm not advocating that these people are sick.
		Sorry, I'm just really passionate about this.
		It just makes me mad because it's not, you know, I mean, I listen to your show and I hear people talking about the government dupes us or people dupe us.
		And it's like, man, you know, I have like so many instances where this has happened to people.
		Year after year, there's always something that comes up.
		And, you know, I mean, you know, I would not...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a time when at least we had the illusion that our government was fairly moral.
		Fairly moral.
		We have that illusion.
		We have the illusion that when the FBI said something, you could generally believe it.
		We have the illusion that when we as a nation did something, there was a moral principle behind it.
		Try and explain to me, if you can, the morality of a provision, a statute, that allows experimentation with chemical and biological weapons on civilian populations.
		Good God.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're listening, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you know.
unidentified		This is Brian from St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Brian.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		I wanted to run something by you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
		A few years back, during the Rodney King, the aftermath of the trial, I noticed something, and it reminded me of when I was a kid.
		I had an operation and was administered, sir.
		Anesthetic, thank you.
		During that time, In the aftermath of the Rodney King trial, I noticed, I smelled an odor, okay, in the air, and I also felt fatigued.
		And I was just wondering, I've always had this thought that maybe the government put something in the air to, as always, they calm down the populace during the aftermath of the trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in L.A.?
unidentified		No, I'm in St. Louis, sir, but I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I doubt they would drop it on St. Louis to control things in...
unidentified		Well, we did have a lot of problems here that didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see what you're driving at, and it's not unreasonable to imagine, look, not unreasonable at all.
		I mean, based on what we've got right here, hell yeah.
		I mean, why would they be experimenting on the American civilian population?
		Experimenting on us for what?
unidentified		Exactly.
		And I've talked to friends around the country, and I just brought that up, and I didn't indicate that that's what I had thought.
		And I talked about them.
		And a lot of them, one in Miami said, yeah, I felt real fatigued, tired, around the same time.
		And I thought to myself, hmm, just little things that you put together, and it kind of gives you a big, you know, kind of gives you a big picture.
		In my mind, I always had that idea that maybe the urban areas, the larger urban areas, that they might have done something like that to call the populace down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that's just one of the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be...
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to calm down to try to get my thoughts together.
		I'm too angry.
		I'm too angry.
		Listen, if you want to read a copy of the letter that was the subject matter discussed during yesterday's program, it's on the webpage.
		If you want to see this utter insanity that seems so impossible but is obviously true, the link there to Cornell, to the Cornell Law School is on my webpage now.
		I really, really, really, before they take the link down or something, suggest you go get it, print it out, show it to your friends, stew about it yourself.
		I really don't know what I'm going to do about this, but I'm going to do something.
		They've lost their minds.
		Absolutely have lost their minds.
		So that's on the website.
		And I haven't even really had an opportunity to say this because I've been so angry.
		There were three really nice guys down at Disneyland who did a really nice thing for me, and there's a photograph of them up on the website.
		So you can go take a look at that, too.
		It's something a little lighter in this heavy, heavy week.
		That's on the website.
		You can take a look at that.
		The website is www.artbell.com.

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