Joyce Riley, a Desert Storm flight nurse, claims 200,000 of 700,000 Gulf War veterans suffer from neurological damage like leukoencephalopathy, spread to families via exposure to classified biological/chemical agents, including missing CENTCOM NBC logs and 50 Iraqi soldiers killed by U.S. bombardment in July 1991. The VA allegedly dismisses symptoms as psychological, denying treatments like doxycycline while prescribing drugs like Prozac, despite a 600% rise in tumor rates (1991–1994). Callers confirm exposure to depleted uranium and sarin gas, with pyridostigmine bromide worsening nerve damage. Art Bell reveals 50 USCS 1520, a statute enabling DOD chemical/biological tests on civilians without public disclosure, sparking outrage over potential Nuremberg Code violations and historical parallels like Nazi experiments or NYC subway tests. Veterans’ distrust of the government deepens as evidence suggests systemic cover-ups, from misdiagnoses to weaponized pathogens. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm Art Bell.
Hi there, everybody.
Great to be with you coming up this morning, a kind of a sequel to the whole Gulf War syndrome.
In case you thought the Gulf War was only the problem of those who were there, how sadly mistaken you are.
It's in the news everywhere, and I've got Joyce Riley with me this morning, and she will tell you what's going on with the Gulf War.
The answer is a whole bunch.
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I know you've seen a lot about it in the last week.
Graduated from the University of Kansas in 1971, Bachelor of Science in Nursing.
Has held positions in nursing education, doctor of nursing, and most recently a staff nurse in a heart, liver, and kidney transplant unit.
Became a flight nurse, USAF Reserve, the Air Force 78-80, volunteered in 91 for Desert Storm.
Did not go to theater of operations, though, because the ceasefire, as you'll recall, came very quickly.
Flew active duty missions with the Air Force from January, make that, yes, January to July of 91.
Then Joyce became ill, no doubt as a result of those she had treated and was hospitalized in December of 91.
Has given seminars and lectures at the NIH, that's the National Institutes of Health, House of Representatives, Duncan Hunters Committee, University of Texas School of Law, and has done national seminars on the nurse advocate.
She presently is the spokesperson for the American Gulf War Veterans Association and full-time nursing consultant for nursing and medical malpractice issues.
Since you were last on, I mean, we'll cover some of that same territory we did last time, but since you were last on, it seems like the Gulf War syndrome or whatever it is has been in the news just about every day.
And I don't think there's any story right now that is receiving as much information that leads you to believe that there is, and then the next day that there isn't a problem.
And they are using the old technique, it appears, of presenting the thesis, the next day the antithesis, and then confusing people.
I mean, there has been so much misinformation, so much dilution of information that I really feel it's very difficult for the American people to understand what's going on.
I mean, one day you will see some of the testimony on Capitol Hill or some study is released showing that X number percentage of the vets who were there are sick.
Then next day, you hear something about somebody who will say, well, we still cannot make any determination.
It is beyond me the kinds of leaps that they are going to.
In fact, since we have talked, they have made the statement that, again, after all the information that has come out, it appears that again, it is all in their head.
It is a stress.
Now, I cannot tell you, Art, what has happened to these guys, these men and women, since I talked to you last, in the frustration they are experiencing in being told by their country that there's nothing wrong with them as they die off.
I mean, literally, they know they're sick, they know they're dying.
But yet, the government continues, and I say the government being the Pentagon right now, and the Department of Defense continues to use every ploy that they can to enrage the military, literally, over their lack of compassion and understanding of this issue.
Okay, this is real hard to do, but I will give you the latest one that I just received from the BFW today in that they told me that their figure now, and this comes from one of their claim specialists, from looking at the entire military that served there, we had 700,000 troops that served in the Persian Gulf.
Out of that, they now tell me that 200,000 have registered with the registry and consider themselves ill.
In fact, I saw the autopsy report of one 26-year-old man recently, and he was told, now he's the 82nd airborne, his mother was kind enough to share the information with me, and she told me that he was told by the VA that he just had apron strings that were too tight.
Now, we're talking about a young man who further died.
It is the white matter, the destruction of the white matter of the brain.
Now, I recently had three letters in one week from Gulf War veterans.
They were all between 26 and 29 years of age, and all of them had been diagnosed with leukoencephalopathy.
We don't know a whole lot about it, obviously.
I mean, this is something we haven't seen before, but I am hearing from some neurologists and neurosurgeons that this is very closely aligned to mad cow disease.
I don't know that much about it, but I do know that it's a disease that we should be looking at, such as Lou Gehrig's disease, just like MS, just like the other neuromuscular diseases that they say are very rare, and yet we have huge percentages of them among the military right now.
Well, the diseases affecting the Gulf War vets, their families and now friends, are so hard to pin down.
They're so different that last time we were talking, and I'll say it again this time, it leads me to speculate that if there is some commonality, it is kind of like AIDS in the sense that it apparently goes to work on the immune system, whatever this is, and causes a variety of opportunistic things to happen.
Because we're now being faced with the misinformation that is creating, unfortunately, the problem of the disease here in the United States.
Now, the chemical illness, first of all, is the one that the U.S. government, the Department of Defense, is wanting us to focus on.
The chemical illness can be something such as oil well fires, the effects of that.
It could be the peritostigne bromide, the pills that they took, nerve agent pills.
It could be a result of the peripherin or the DEET, the pesticides, organophosphates.
Now, the chemical fires are one issue, and yes, I believe they're a problem, and yes, I believe it's very important, but it is not a problem that you bring home to your family.
So, if you are exposed to oil well fires or mustard gas or some type of nerve agent, you don't bring that home to your family and give it to your spouse via sex, etc.
The biologicals that they are not dealing with, in fact, USA Today just came out two days ago with a story, were biologicals used?
In fact, ABC News, after I had an hour and a half conversation with them, went on record to ask the question for the first time this past week, were biologicals used?
Now, you recall, Art, that when you and I talked, we discussed the significance of biologicals, the importance of why I believe it is creating a disease in this country.
And the biological agent is the agent our troops were exposed to, which is a disease composed of either bacteria, viruses, fungus, but it is a disease that you bring home and you can communicate.
It is the very nature of a biological warfare agent to be able to spread the disease.
And that's what's happening.
So now we have a figure that this should astound you.
And why weren't you being told about this?
In 1993, before a committee, the Senate Banking Committee, Senator Don Regal stated at that time that of the Gulf War veterans they had contacted, 75% of them had already transferred the disease to at least one other person in their family.
That figure is much higher now.
We're finding at least 80% of all the troops now that contact me have spread the disease to at least one other person in their family.
All right, well here's how I think it goes, Joyce.
If you're at the Pentagon and you're trying to manage a situation, which is what they do, it's bad enough that you have to admit chemical exposure.
However, that is nothing compared to admitting biological exposure because then your liability, and I'll just use that word loosely, rises by a factor, an incalculable factor actually, because it's going to be an ongoing situation.
You can't keep that one under control.
So I doubt very seriously they are ever, ever going to admit to biological problems.
Well, I think that they're going to have to and have to very shortly for this reason.
Too many people are becoming ill.
You know, they are relying on the fact that the American public is too dumbed down, literally.
And I've been told this.
I was told by a VA director.
He said, you don't even have to be able to add, was his statement, to figure out there's a Gulf War illness and the families now have it.
But because the American people are so busy watching O.J. Simpson, they are not noticing that around them is a disease that is starting to take huge numbers of people.
Look, it doesn't relate, but we were having a big debate about guns in the United States, and the news media continually showed on television what should have been a semi-automatic gun, and of course on TV, it was a machine gun.
Well, we don't, unless you have a license, have machine guns in the U.S., but they portrayed it and sold it to the American people as a machine gun.
A bunch of baloney, but that's what most of the American people believe in.
Look, I watch CNN, I watch all the other newscasts.
How many times have I seen the explosion at Camasilla?
I've seen it again and again and again, and it's fixed in the minds of the American people that, well, maybe there were a few who got exposed to chemicals, and that's all they know about.
And my anger, my frustration right now is that I do listen to these phone calls day and night from men and women who serve this country.
And recent, most recent, I got a phone call from a Navy SEAL.
He was sick, he was angry, and he had just seen the videotape that we did.
And in doing this videotape or in providing it throughout the SEAL team there, they had all become quite angry and thinking that no one has told them the truth.
And he said to me, and he made this statement, he said, you don't lie to your Navy SEALs.
And you know that is so true.
You're going to see a backlash, unfortunately, among the military now.
And I am not trying to create anything, but my God, they were placed in harm's way, brought back here, told there's nothing wrong with them, placed on Prozac, placed on Halcyon in the VAs.
They have been told there's nothing wrong.
You're just imagining this illness.
Now they find out they've given it to their children.
They may be having malformed children or miscarriages.
And yes, they are angry.
Their families did not consent to this kind of treatment.
I think that they are now decreasing the amount of armaments that we're using in artillery because now it will be a war of bugs.
And this was the first time.
And there is a lot really banking on the results that came out of this.
If you will, this is somewhat of a controlled experiment.
And I'm not saying it was an intentional experiment, but I am saying now the way that it is being monitored, the way the disease is being denied, is as if they want to simply document.
The Persian Gulf Registry is a perfect example.
These men and women are being asked to join the Persian Gulf Registry, at which time they believe they're going to get treatment.
They do not.
They get experimented upon.
They get testing done.
They do not get treatment for a disease.
My husband and I just went down to the VA facility and again visited with a new group of Gulf War veterans that came through.
The Houston VA facility is the second largest in the Gulf Registry program in treating Gulf War illness.
They are, I must tell you, in Houston are only allowed to have three Gulf War veterans at a time in the Gulf War program.
We go through and meet each one of the new groups that come down there.
In fact, the television station from Houston went over there and asked them, and they did admit there's only three at a time.
Now, these young men have been on waiting lists.
The one that is there right now has been on the waiting list since April of 1994 to get in here.
Now, this is why they keep saying the numbers are artificially lower than they really are, is because they only treat three or four in a facility at a time.
Well, I'll tell you what I was told by the VA administrator in Houston.
I said, I took it, I was handing out my Gulf War information as I always do when I go through the VA, and they don't like it, but I do it anyway.
And I want the troops to know the truth.
And as I went up to the administrator, I handed him my package of documents, about 100 pages of the information that proves the cover-up of a Gulf War illness.
And I said to him, sir, I want you to have a package of this information so you'll know what I'm saying.
He said, I know what you're saying.
And he said, and I know this is the worst cover-up of all.
And he said, nobody seems to be catching on to what's going on.
Now, I have had VA physician call me, many VA physicians call me, especially after I was on your program.
In fact, there have been so many responses, varied responses, of people saying, I support you.
Don't stop.
You're telling the truth.
We need you out there, but I can't come forward because it would cost me my job.
And these men and women, and I say to them, I'm sorry, if your job means more than the lives of the men and women that serve this country, I said, only you will have to face that.
But I said, I cannot be quiet, and I cannot stop talking about this because I know it's real.
Now, I did get a phone call from one VA, and I'm not going to say where, because he asked that I not use his name.
And he said, you gave a figure on the Art Bell show of 15,000 Gulf War veterans had died.
And he said, I want to tell you you were wrong.
He said, it is much higher than 15,000.
He said, the figure that you are talking about is only those that are essentially active duty.
He said, if you add up all the Guardian Reservists on top of that, well, I don't know if he's right or not, but I will say this, that right now the United States government has put out a figure of 6,370 Gulf War veterans have died in service in the Persian Gulf War.
I know that seems astronomical to people because, you see, you have not been hearing any stories about any deaths of any Gulf War veterans in the major media.
Now, I was on with one of the claims analysts from the VFW today in which he said, my purpose in being on the show is to argue the figure of how many Gulf War veterans have died.
He said, I disagree with your figure of 15,000.
My statement to him was, well, would 10,000 make you feel better or 12,000 or 5,000?
You see, the issue is not the number.
The issue is the U.S. government is denying that any Gulf War veterans essentially have died as a result of the war other than the 143 that died during the Persian Gulf War, 100-hour war.
Now, my problem with all of this is I am seeing autopsy reports of 26-year-old men, 27-year-old men, up to around 30, 35 years of age that shouldn't be dying of these kinds of diseases.
Now, the mortality rate, the morbidity rate, is even much, much greater.
Now, with their own figure of being 200,000, and that does not even include the families and spouses.
Of course, that does not even include the coalition forces that served alongside of us.
And just recently, the Czechs came out and stated that their troops are dying.
You know, America is going to have to understand that we have got to regain the accountability of our government and put it within ourselves.
We have too long accepted the fact that somebody somewhere in Washington was taking care of all these things.
Because when I put all of these facts and figures together, Art, and one day realized, my God, our military is dying, these men are vanishing, and nobody even knows why.
And I am sorry to have to say that, but I do believe that now.
And here again, I usually give this statement at the beginning, but I apologize to any Gulf War veterans that are hearing this for the first time.
There is one young man who called me, not so young, but he called me after your program the last time and I need to specifically say this because this is not easy to hear this when you're serving your country.
You know I served and I would have done it again.
Now knowing what I know I probably couldn't.
But I believed in this country.
My father was in the Air Force.
My mother was in the Navy.
We were a military family or we believed in serving.
And he called me.
He called me on the phone and he said, ma'am, I need to tell you I'm a 22 and a half year old sergeant.
He said I'm a senior master sergeant in the Army.
And he said, I just heard you on our bell last night.
And he said, I've been sick.
My wife has been sick.
My daughter has been sick.
And he said, I knew something was wrong.
But he said, when I heard you say it, it all came together and I knew it was the truth.
And he said, ma'am, he said, and he started to cry.
He said, ma'am, he says, I'm a big old black sergeant.
He says, he says, I love this country more than anybody.
And he says, you know, ma'am, he says, I can take anything.
I could have died for this country.
He says, but you know, he said, I cannot remain in service knowing my country has betrayed me.
And he cried on the phone, and it broke my heart.
And please understand I am not being anti-American, anti-government.
Don't label me with those labels because I'm trying to get the truth out.
You see, some radio programs have been calling me and asking me to be on now and saying, gee, doesn't it feel good to be vindicated now, Joyce?
Now that the truth is coming out.
Well, you see, I never did anything wrong.
I don't have to be vindicated.
I have been saying this very same thing for three years.
I have shown this information to the major media.
I have shown it to the House of Representatives, to the senators, and no one had the guts to come forward with it.
How many people have died needlessly that could have been saved?
In fact, that's what Representative Shay said of Connecticut.
He said, had Dr. Stephen Joseph of the Pentagon, who is the number two man in the Pentagon, told the Congress the truth, how many of our Gulf War veterans' lives could have been saved?
I ask you, is this not treason?
We are in a state of war right now.
We are continuing to fight Saddam Hussein, and that is because Public Law 102-25 has not severed our ties from the war.
We are still at war.
And I ask you all, if we are in a state of war, and if our troops are getting sicker and sicker, and if they are not being treated when there is a treatment available, and if we are not bringing in the Kurdish rebels in this country as we just did in Houston to give them a new home,
and we are bringing in Iraqi nationals to treat them with liver transplants in Oklahoma City, and if we are doing this for the enemy and we are allowing our troops to die, I am sorry, but I must say some very harsh things right here.
Well, you know, that's interesting, and that's what we thought with Vietnam War.
And I must say that when Agent Orange was the issue, I bought into the media hype that, gee, the guys went over there, they got a rash on their feet, they came home, they wanted some compensation.
Come on, guys, get a life.
Well, that's what they tried to do to the Gulf War veterans also.
But you see, our families did not agree to this.
And our children did not agree to be born with Golden Haar syndrome with no arms, no legs.
Like I said, 80% of all troops now report having spread the disease to their spouses.
In fact, the U.S. government has just now opened up the family testing program of spouses and children.
Now, you understand they still say officially there is no Gulf War illness, but just in case, we're going to go ahead and test the families and the children.
They've opened up at Duke University in Southwestern Medical School in Dallas, and many troops are calling me and asking me, should I send my family down there?
It's a difficult question to answer.
I know they're not going to be treated because I talked to them directly, and I asked the director of the program, if you find any illnesses, will you treat the Gulf War veterans families?
Now, interestingly enough, we have had some of these documents, and I am looking at the NBC logs as we speak.
The NBC logs of CENTCOM, now here, we need to spend some time on this because this is where we bring in now the credibility of General Schwarzkopf.
He was the commander-in-chief of Central Command.
Central Command had the responsibility of keeping the nuclear, biological, and chemical logs.
I have talked to those who worked on those logs.
I know what some of the content is of those logs.
And I can tell you categorically that there is evidence of biological and chemical usage on the battlefield.
There is absolute evidence of chemicals and biologicals that were utilized on our troops.
Now, General Schwartzkopf came out in the New York Times December 6th in a very well-done article by Phil Sheenan that said he did not believe that Iraqi chemical weapons had anything to do with the mysterious health problems reported by thousands of veterans of the war.
Now, General Schwartzkopf, may I remind you that they still say no chemical weapons were used, and you just said that they were chemical weapons.
He also made the statement that he knows some of the guys that have the Gulf War illness.
Sir, may I remind you that the Pentagon has still said there officially is no Gulf War illness.
It is really a result of stress.
Now, General Schwartzkopf's credibility, I'm afraid, is really under question right now.
Well, you know, I like to think myself a judge of character, and General Schwartzkopf surely seemed the loyal American, the real American, the honest to God real thing to me, and I hate to think he lied.
We don't want to believe our parents do those kinds of things.
Because if now we bring in the credibility trial or have credibility problems with Colin Tahl and Norman Schwartzkopf and George Bush, James Baker, Britt Skolcroft, all of these people that are supposed to be in charge of this country, then now what's going to happen to us?
Well, the place that he has lied is with respect to his information that he had in the nuclear, biological, and chemical logs.
You see, he was the commander-in-chief on the battlefield.
He knew what was in those documents.
He knew that they had reported uses of biological and chemical agents.
Now, let me tell you that I had a first-hand story that was provided to me, and I've had this by two different sources, that stated, we have seen deaths of chemical weapons on the battlefield.
We transported them from Riyadh to Germany.
We know they died of chemical weapons.
Their skin was falling off.
Now, this is mustard gas.
If you have mustard gas, you have a chemical agent.
If you have a chemical agent, then you cannot any longer deny the existence of biologicals and chemicals being used, as they did in their statement issued by Shelley Kashvili and William Perry.
The date of that was May of 1994, and it states, there have been reports in the press of the possibility that some of you are exposed.
There is no information, classified or unclassified, that indicates that chemical or biological weapons were used in the Persian Gulf.
Then I can go to the chemical and biological logs of Schwartzkopf and show you the evidence of the capture of chemical and biological munitions on the battlefield.
Well, that I can't answer, and that I don't have an answer for.
I have talked two nights ago I talked with the NBC NCO in charge.
That's the Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical NCO in charge of that unit at Camasia, the 37th Engineering Battalion.
Now, this is a unit that is quite ill right now.
They have had five of their troops are now dead, and about 70% of them report to be ill.
In fact, I gave a program here in Idaho last night, and one of those young men was at the program from the 37th.
Now, here's what they're not telling you, Art.
They want you to believe there was one little bunker that blew up in one place in Iraq, and oh my goodness, there's the responsibility for all of this.
There's the accountability for why everybody's sick.
That is not true.
Now, here's what they also want you to think, is that Camasea was just a little bunker.
Camasia contained over 100 warehouses, each one of them the size of a Walmart.
In that bunker, there was, according to the NBC NCOIC, who has, by the way, been told you didn't see what you say you saw by the Pentagon.
He told me, we blew up 7,500 tons of sarin gas.
We blew up 2,500 tons of mustard gas.
I said to him, Did you know what you were going to blow up before you went into that bunker?
He said yes, and I reported my concerns about what we were blowing up.
Now the U.S. government says we've got a bunch of errant guys that went off, blew up a bunker.
We didn't know they were going to do it.
We didn't know what was in it.
And we didn't know until June of this year, 1996, that they had actually blown it up.
Now, here art is where we have some real serious problems with the Pentagon because I can show you the after action reports of Camacea that have been available for quite a while.
These Camacea after action reports show the real truth about what went on.
Now, they say they just found it inside the Pentagon.
This information has been out there.
They have been lying to the public and distorting it.
Now, one very important thing is that they again say there's no evidence of biological usage.
I have in my hands a document that is listed as classified.
I do not know if it has been declassified, and to tell you the truth, I really do not care at this point.
It says, disease epidemics overwhelm Iraqi cities.
50 soldiers were killed by their own biological weapons.
50 soldiers died from spore-related anthrax spores exposure due to the destruction of one of the microbiological depots in the Baghdad military area that does development and production of biological weapons following bombardment with 2,000-pound bombs from B-52s.
Joyce Riley, R.N., is reading a classified document.
And she has some concerns about doing that.
And I may have some concerns about her doing that here on the program.
But, what the hell?
Life is short, right, folks?
Get back to where we started from?
I don't think so anymore.
I think we're way past the point of no return.
Anyway, good morning back to Joyce Riley and that document in a morning, in a moment.
in the morning in a moment.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
I think you're absolutely correct.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
The document seems to be saying there were biological agents in the field in the Gulf War that killed Iraqi soldiers in a location where our troops were.
The Iraqi authorities took about 100 soldiers to a hospital in Baghdad where doctors failed to treat them.
The medical treatment failed.
An Egyptian physician told al-Hakika that following his escape from the hospital and crossing the Syrian border that the microbe is still at the hospital and efforts in eradicating, decontaminating the area have not been successful.
He added, the Iraqi soldiers that died upon arrival at the hospital were the ones guarding the facility.
This explains their exposure to large doses of the organism that caused acute pulmonary inflammation and blood poisoning and intestinal poisoning.
All efforts to treat them failed.
That is essentially the guts of this particular document.
Now, it may have been declassified.
I don't know.
I will tell you that there is another one that has now been declassified.
That is the Biological and Chemical Warfare Logs of CENTCOM.
And I want to go back to that and read you the actual document.
This is one that may be one of the ones that are being reported as missing.
I don't know.
But this is dated March, I believe it's March 1st.
And it states, Lieutenant Colonel Wade advised that Colonel Dunn has confirmed that the soldier of the 3rd AD, that's the Armored Division, does have blisters characteristic of H chemical agent, that's mustard gas, on his upper and lower left arm.
Now, Art, I hope your people understand because I know you can see the significance of this.
What I just read to you is one of those maybe missing logs, I don't know, because we've had these logs for some time.
They were smuggled out of the Pentagon and provided to us before they were unfortunately burned or destroyed or whatever.
So this document right here that I'm reading to you, which I can provide you a copy of this, flies in the face of everything that the Pentagon, the Department of Defense, the VA, Schwarzkopf, and Powell have been stating over the past five years.
It goes down to say they feel destruction of small quantities using field method is okay.
Destruction is not approved because it may have great international implications.
Now this was declassified on 5 June of 1994.
So the information that I have been able to put together from my sources, from those that served during the Persian Gulf, from the brown manila envelopes that have arrived, show absolute evidence that the U.S. government is lying.
Now I don't know if they thought we weren't going to be able to put this information together or figure it out ourselves, but all we needed to know was we had a bunch of people dying for no reason.
We knew they were dying and the Pentagon said they weren't dying.
People knew they were exposed over there and they said they weren't exposed.
Now, if you saw Major Ibert on TV, he is the Marine Major that was struggling with the Lou Gehrig's disease to be able to tell his story.
And let me tell you why, because his first statement that he made was that the Pentagon knew from day one that chemical weapons had been used.
Now that's a Marine Major in full uniform saying that.
That is not Joyce Wiley, an inactive reservist nurse saying it.
His last statement that he made, and America wake up and listen to what your people are telling you, he stated, I fear the enemy is within the government.
Did you all hear that on television, if you didn't get the tape from C-SPAN, I fear the enemy is within the government?
That is a man who is fighting for his life to tell you the truth of what is going on.
You don't have to believe me.
Believe the documentation which exists.
And by the way, I do need to get my phone number for GoForBetter.
Joyce, I want to ask you a question about motivation.
If you can remove yourself right now from everything you've said, or not even remove yourself from it, but just consider what you have said and consider the motivation of the government, my question to you is, why?
There is a paper written by Dr. Lindsay Arrison of the Pentagon, and I'd like to refer to him for this answer because he wrote the paper, the cover-up of the Gulf War Illness, and he lists the reasons why they have done this.
Now, I believe in what he says.
I believe this is pretty much my opinion.
First of all, the financial compensation would destroy our government.
There is no way they can financially compensate everyone that should be given compensation for what they have been subjected to.
Number two, we violated Geneva Convention regulations in 1972.
There are tremendous political and criminal implications in what has taken place.
Both the Bush and the Clinton administration are involved in this.
This right there, I mean, with what I'm telling you tonight, and I'm sure your listeners understand that this is the story of America's history.
They are hearing information tonight that is like the most significant anywhere, anytime ever said.
We're talking about the absolute intentional neglect of our military and criminal intent in allowing them to suffer.
Now, we violated Geneva Convention regulations.
There is a writer named John Galt who's been writing some incredible material in the Spotlight newspaper.
Now, this comes from the evidence or the information, the first-hand accounts of those that were responsible for the chemical agents, for those who were responsible for teaching others how to use the chemical agents.
We had them on the battlefield.
There's no question about that.
There's any number of your troops out there that can give testimony to that.
And they were used.
There are many troops that have told me that they had weapons with the biohazard emblem on it.
They knew exactly what they were.
In artillery rounds, primarily is how the U.S. used them.
The chemicals were used by the Iraqis, primarily via the Scud missiles and artillery rounds.
Well, you know, if they're going to be stupid enough to do that once it's got the biohazard marking on the outside of it, I mean, I'm surprised because they knew that was sarin gas inside Camasia.
They knew it was mustard gas inside Camacea.
They didn't need to drill into any rocket to find that.
Now, also, Senator Regal has made a statement.
Now, let me just read this.
This is from page 6, and I can give you the slide on this.
This is 103-900, Senate report.
It's an unclassified document.
The findings of this report, prepared at the request of Chairman Regal, detailed many other events reported by U.S. servicemen and women that in some cases confirmed the detection of chemical agents by U.S. forces.
In other cases, these reports indicate the need for further investigation.
But he said they had actual evidence of chemicals and biologicals that were used during the time of the Gulf War.
What are we waiting for?
Now, further on, during a November 10, 1993 unclassified briefing for members of the U.S. Senate in response to direct questioning, then Under Secretary of Defense John Deutsch said that the Department of Defense was withholding classified information on the exposure of U.S. forces to biological materials.
Now, they made this statement earlier in 1994 or later in 1994.
There was no evidence, classified or unclassified.
John Deutsch either lied or he has admitted to the fact that there is classified material on the exposure of these weapons on our troops.
I can tell you and I can provide to you individuals who have told the Pentagon we know chemical agents were used.
What more does it take than the actual suffering of those that lost their skin and that lost their lives to chemical weapons?
What more does it take to prove that biological and chemical agents were used?
Let me tell you what I think the motivation is, Joyce.
At the beginning of the war and prior to and then once the war began, we without equivocation told the Iraqis, if you use biologicals or chemicals, we will respond with nuclear weapons.
If we found out at some point during the war that that was occurring, we might have made a decision not to make that public because the clamor, the demand would have been for the use of nuclear weapons, and internationally we would have become a pariah had we used them.
So I really think that that was one deep, dark political motivation for sealing all this under, for not admitting it, not even talking about it, and now you're getting ready to blow it up in their faces.
Well, I think it's very possible, and I have no problem with that.
But the issue is after the war is over, you tell your troops, we've got a problem, let's get it taken care of, let's address that, and then go on.
You don't give your general population a communicable illness.
You don't take the disease back to America.
It is now being spread in the blood.
It is being spread by sex and by perspiration.
So whatever their motivation was, now we know that Israel gave the same deterrent.
They said, you send us biologicals and we guarantee you nuclear in return.
It worked.
But I do have evidence on one of the NBC logs that showed that there was a Scud missile loaded with an agent called GF, a chemical agent, that went into Israel.
We do know they received at least one Scud missile full of GF.
They did not receive biologicals, to my knowledge.
But you see, this problem now is spread throughout the world.
We've got 28 coalition countries that served alongside of us.
We have now sent 4 million troops into the Persian Gulf arena.
We now have people being exposed on three-month rotations to Kuwait that are coming home now and saying they have the illness.
They're showing the rash.
They're experiencing the same problem.
So we are obviously intentionally spreading this disease.
Now, what is it going to take America before we call them into accountability, start with some serious look at the treatment first of all, and then let's bring to justice those who have kept this information from the American people?
Okay, the effectiveness of doxycycline, which is a very common, unpatented generic antibiotic, is working because, according to Dr. Garth Nicholson of the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center and now of the Institute of Molecular Biology in California,
he states that the mycoplasma incognitus, which is the primary biological agent that has been identified, now when I say identified, that is because right now we are finding about 60% of our troops are positive for mycoplasma incognitus.
This is what I tested positive for.
And about 70% of those are being helped and treated with this.
The mycoplasma is significant because inside of it has been inserted 40% of the HIV envelope gene.
So we are not talking about the AIDS virus.
We are talking about part of the envelope gene being added to the mycoplasma.
Thus, the mycoplasma, which is a microorganism without a cell, is treated effectively with the doxycycline.
Does it stop the disease?
I don't think so.
Does it cure it?
I don't think so.
But it stops the ravaging effects of the disease, and at least it will buy us some time.
Now, the Department of Defense has been told about this research and work that Dr. Nicholson has done.
And the reason that he found out about it was because his stepdaughter was in the 101st airborne.
Well, penicillin, now, let me first of all here give the disclaimer.
I am not a physician and I am not practicing medicine, but I want to share with you all, since you're not hearing it from any other area, the fact that if you have the true GOPOR illness with the weaponized mycoplasma, the mycoplasma incognitas, penicillin will make you worse.
It does not treat the disease.
Now, the VA has been made aware of this, but they are continuing to deny the use of doxycycline.
First of all, about, I'd say, 70% of all the medical records are now missing.
I give it free to Gulf War veterans, free to journalists, free to government people, and free to medical people.
if you will write to me, you can get that.
And all I ask is the Gulf War veterans send me a letter with their unit and their symptoms so we can correlate who was where and I'll get the information out to you.
Let me say that probably the most significant thing here is the loss of function or use of the lower extremities because this is happening among many of the troops.
And I would encourage you to, number one, file a claim.
And I'm not here to try and get people to file claims, but you need to protect yourself.
Number two, you need to sign up with the Persian Gulf Registry.
Although I disagree with their philosophical beliefs, we want the numbers in there to show the Gulf War veterans that are sick.
Then get the information from me, and I will be glad to answer any questions after you look at it.
The loss of the use of the legs and the hands is very, very important, and it's happening.
They have had over 700 cases at the LAVA of this very same thing.
But every one of them that comes through, they say, gee, you're the first one we've ever seen.
But in your particular case, since you have not found any treatment, go ahead and start the paperwork and get the video first of all, and it'll explain a lot of this to you.
It gives the documentation to support what I've been saying tonight.
But you deserve treatment, and yes, the mental confusion is a real big problem.
The biologicals and chemicals that were exposed to the troops over there have affected that sensitive brain tissue, and they're having terrible problems with memory.
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Yes, ma'am.
I didn't know exactly what the symptoms were, so I didn't want to file any false claims or crying to the government about something that may not have happened in particular.
Um there's there's the isotope uranium-128 when it when it impacts against composite armor it it it creates a a dust pretty pretty lethal to the to the enemy tank if it doesn't brew up.
But on the battlefield itself it it's sort of an underlying it we roared more about that than than any NBC problem.
My ex was in the bulb, But you said two things tonight because I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and I went, and I kept thinking, where do I get this?
It was something that didn't have a name, but it's always been with us.
No, I'm sorry.
It came over in some scud missiles, and it has affected our troops, be it whether from the immunizations, which we really haven't talked about, or whatever.
But we now have it, and it is contagious, and people are getting this disease.
Entire families are now getting it.
And my heart goes out to you, and please write to me, and I'll send you the information.
Joyce, how does somebody like that lady, I mean, it's bad enough for the Gulf War vets who are fighting the fight and not getting treated, but my gosh, the family members, they're another notch removed.
Out of the 28 coalition countries, I have been told by Dr. Nicholson now that 27 of those 28 coalition countries now report sick and dying Gulf War veterans.
The only country that does not report dying Gulf War veterans is France.
France did two things differently.
They did not inoculate their troops, number one, and second, they gave prophylactive preventative doxycycline on a daily basis.
Now, I've talked with those that served under the French flag, and they told me they were given 400 milligrams of doxycycline in the morning and 500 at night.
It's a huge, huge dose.
And they told me they had to eat three MREs, the meals ready to eat, just to keep it down.
But they seem to be pretty clear of the disease.
Now, did they know something?
Well, I think they did.
And they are the only ones not reporting sick or dying Gulf War veterans.
Now, Britain has a real problem right now.
Out of the 50,000 troops that they sent, 3,500 of them are now ill.
I don't have a number of the ones that have died right now, but I know they're having a serious problem in Britain.
I've been talking with the British Gulf War Veterans Association there.
And they're fighting the issues.
Now, the British Gulf War veterans have filed a lawsuit collectively against the Ministry of Defense.
They have sued their government for having placed them in harm's way.
I don't know how that particular case is coming out, but as you know in the U.S., you can't do that.
So they have sued the makers of all the biological and chemical agents.
I'm glad you're doing well, and I hope you continue to do well.
I caught Joyce when you had her on the show last time.
I was driving through Missouri on my way to North Carolina to visit a friend of mine that I'd served in the golf with and uh pardon me, I'm a little nervous.
Let me say that the area that we find that is affected with this disease now goes into United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, all around the theater of operations.
Even people that were in Germany and Turkey are now ill.
So this disease did not keep itself right there in the central area.
The equipment is now spreading the disease.
Many of those that took care of the patients or the equipment coming out of that area are also sick.
You know, he said he's been afraid to speak about the disease.
I need to address this because a lot of the active duty military are not allowed to talk about it.
They cannot mention go-for-elements.
He just mentioned the primary symptoms, chronic fatigue, the rash.
They get lymph nodes, swelling, night sweat, migraine headaches, memory loss, concentration loss.
And then it goes into more significant things after that.
The call-in lines restricted to veterans of the Gulf War or their families.
So if that's you, give us a call.
If not, sit back, relax, and listen to one sorry, sorry story.
And we'll be back to Joyce in a moment.
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What do you think about disclosure?
I have said all along it's not coming from official sources.
It'll come from whistleblowers.
I can't figure it out, can you?
They know they're sitting on something and they know they can't keep it hidden forever.
The so-called disclosure is happening almost daily.
It's like the thing is accelerating.
I think disclosure is sort of happening all around us to the point where, you know, everybody kind of goes, okay, we know they're here.
What's for dinner, honey?
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You know, there is terrorism out there.
So in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
I think you're absolutely correct.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
Now let's go back to the night of December 12, 1996 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art Bell All right, my guest is Joyce Riley, and she has read on the air what may well be a classified document, or it may now be declassified.
At any rate, it clearly tells the story of biological agents that killed 50 Iraqi soldiers during the war in an area where our soldiers were as well.
It clearly demonstrates biologicals were used during the war.
And Joyce, I want to open up one more item before we go back to the phone lines here.
In his book, microbiologist Larry Harris says the U.S. is at high risk bacteriological attack with anthrax and pneumonic plague by Iraqi agents who are in the country now with disease vials.
They are preparing to wage large-scale bacteriological warfare, he says, with a probable attack date of July of 97.
Now, I've seen this stuff floating around on the Internet, and I'm sure you probably have too.
As with this little piece of, I don't know what you call it, nothing I can call it on the air about somebody about to attack us or something that's floating around on the internet.
How do you separate the truth from false information?
Okay, the way I started out was I will tell you right off the bat.
I was given some documents by an external asset from the Customs Department.
This person approached me with documentation that biologicals and chemicals had been sold to Saddam Hussein.
I had no idea up to this point, Art, because I was a captain in the Air Force, served my country, loved being a flight nurse.
That's all I knew, except that I was sick.
This person provided me four four-inch binders worth of documents of the transfers of biological and chemical agents through Jordan into Iraq.
This was a total shock to me.
I thought George Bush was the greatest thing I'd ever met.
I mean, I was so patriotic, and I still am.
But when I got this information, it changed my whole attitude.
I had to start looking in a different direction to find out why people were sick.
So I started looking at biological and chemicals.
Now, everything that I get, be it a government document or whatever, I try to get a first-hand source that can verify that source and then move on from there.
But a lot of this material that's floating around, people do have to be very careful because there are a lot of people that are trying to discredit me right now.
And let me tell you that there's been on the Internet and also in some magazines a fact that I have written a book called Nurse Riley Speaks.
I have not written a book.
And I want everyone to know that it states that it tries to link me to the Israeli Mossad involvement in the Gulf War.
And I did not write a book called Nurse Riley Speaks.
I just had something else come out in which they said that everything that I provide is baseless assumptions, totally unsubstantiated information, and I am just trying to fire the fuel or fuel the fire of anti-government and anti-patriotic behavior.
Nothing could be more further from the truth.
I am using documentation to prove to the Americans that there are foreign and domestic enemies, and the domestic enemies are the ones that we need to expose.
What was the attitude of the intelligence community?
I mean, if you had chemical casualties and you knew it, then obviously there was a chance you were going to do something like you're doing right now and go on a radio talk show and say it.
Well, he has Ginberea, neuromuscular disease, which many of the GoFor veterans have.
And this is very tragic because it can get much, much worse.
And what he is saying, though, is he was with the 3rd AD, a MASH unit with the 3rd AD.
The 3rd Armored Division is one of the sickest units.
Other than the 101st and the 82nd Airborne, the 3rd AD is one of the sickest, the hardest hit.
He was with the MASH unit taking care of those guys.
Those guys, the 3rd and the 1st AD, saw many chemical casualties.
There are so many people out there that know about this.
We have full knowledge chemicals were used from day one by both sides in this war.
Now, by denying the fact that they have had chemical exposure, they're getting worse and they're dying.
And by denying the fact they had biological exposure, they're giving the disease to other people.
Now, I have an individual who has reported to me that he watched nine individuals die with chemical exposure, and he said it took an hour and 37 minutes for them to die.
He said, it is the most god-awful experience you will ever, ever see.
And he said, my only regret is I did not put a bullet through their head and get them out of their misery.
Now, these people are out there, and the Pentagon is lying as fast as they can to tell everybody that what is really the truth is not the truth.
And my list of units here, which are the sickest, I don't have any amphibious units, but let me tell you that there is, I believe it was the USS Independence that has reported a lot of illnesses because they had equipment that came back.
The aircraft that landed on the aircraft carrier was not decontaminated.
And there are many of those guys in the Navy that are quite ill.
The 1st Marine Division is probably the sickest unit.
And by the way, there's been a coin minted, believe it or not, for the Gulf War illness, and on it it says, it's a silver coin, and it says, Desert Shield, Desert Storm, the Persian Gulf Experiments.
What it is, is it states that as of January 16th of 1996, the Department of Defense or their contractor has the right to experiment with biological and chemical agents on the general population in this country.
It also states that the only thing that the DOD or their contractor must do is give 30 days notice to the civilian authority that they are going to do the experimental.
Well, what does that mean that DOD contacts the local dog catcher and says, this is your 30-day notice that we're going to be spraying some kind of aerosol over San Francisco or something?
Well, I happen to know that there have been some incidents of, quote-unquote, spraying.
Now, I know of some individuals that have, quote-unquote, come down with the Gulf War illness because of some spraying incidents, because of the smell of the spray that was sprayed on them, and they nearly died.
And I don't want to be conspiratorial about this, but I do know that it happened in one particular area.
Also, the testing of biological and chemical weapons at the Texas Department of Corrections in Huntsville, Texas prior to the Gulf War.
We haven't gotten into that, but that's where the primary biological agent was tested prior to being utilized in the Persian Gulf War.
So we know that it's gone on, and we know that that appears there on the Internet and in the USCA.
I was an MP assigned to the 1st Brigade of the 3rd Armored Division.
And one of the things that we noticed, one of the last jobs we did before we pulled out of Iraq itself, was we did a checkpoint on the Basra-Kuwait City Highway called Checkpoint Charlie.
And we were the northernmost troops at that time in that area.
We were only about two miles south of Basra.
And all these Iraqi civilians were, and soldiers, were fleeing into the south to try to get away from the Republican Guard.
And we've been receiving reports from the Iraqis themselves that the Republican Guard was gassing Iraqi civilians in Basra itself.
And though I didn't see any evidence of that myself as far as people that showed symptoms of being mustard, having mustard agents or anything like that, the only thing I can think of is that they were too recently exposed for the symptoms to have shown up.
We asked about it and within about one or two days we were told, no, it's a false alarm, don't worry about it.
And now she's trying to expose what's really going on with whatever was released over there.
And we'll get back to her in a moment.
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What do you think about disclosure?
I have said all along it's not coming from official sources.
Joyce, question for you, and it's a good one, too.
Is there any, would you speculate a bit, if you wouldn't mind, on what might occur to our military's battlefield effectiveness if this disease is left untreated?
Well, there's no question right now it's mitigating the effectiveness of our military.
Let me give you a statistic that comes from the Department of Defense, and that is that out of the 700,000 Gulf War veterans, or out of the 700,000 troops that served during the Persian Gulf War, already 550,000 of them have been separated from the military.
Many of them are being medically separated, if not most of them, and they're being separated below retirement.
So you've got 18 and a half year lieutenant colonels that are being sent out of the military, no benefits, no nothing.
Now, I believe that this is mitigating the effectiveness of our military.
The 101st airborne, the 82nd airborne are sick.
They're not allowed to talk about it, but they're sick.
Here's one issue I really need to address with regard to the status of our troops, is that many of the troops that served in the Persian Gulf have this problem.
They have a hair-trigger temper right now.
Their minds have been messed with with this biological and chemical reagents.
And I'm not talking about a mental problem.
I'm talking about something that is causing their brains to malfunction.
They are, nobody's called in and talked about this except for, I believe, one person, but they have a hair trigger.
They cannot respond normally.
They are getting violent.
And I'm working on five murder cases right now where Gulf War veterans who were really, I mean, choir boys prior to the Gulf War have done vicious murders.
So we need to look at the fact that these troops are sick.
They really need help.
They cannot control their tempers.
I got a call from a guy the other night.
He had a gun to his head and he was ready to commit suicide.
They say to me, either I'm going to kill myself or someone else.
This is so serious.
We have police officers that are carrying guns right now that were MPs over there.
And many of the MP units are sick because they took care of the British or of the EPWs, the enemies, prisoners of war, of the Iraqis.
Those guys were exposed to chemical weapons.
They now are biological weapons.
And now our troops are sick.
Here is a real, real challenge, and that is the Gulf War veterans that are police officers cannot go to a VA and be treated because 90% of them are given mental diagnoses of depression, some psychological diagnosis.
If they do, they can't carry a gun.
I have a police captain right now who cannot even seek treatment for fear that he will be told it's all in his head and lose his job.
These guys are committing vicious acts of violence, and it is not like them.
They don't know who they murdered, and they don't know why.
And I want any of those people to contact me because we're trying to put together the number of Gulf War veterans that are on death row right now or serving prison sentences.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Joyce Riley.
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Hello.
Hi, Joyce.
Hi there.
Oh, you are a godsend, let me tell you, girl.
My name is Gail.
I'm from Spokane, Washington.
I talked to Art about a week ago that I had been diagnosed with fibromyalgia in October of 1993, right after my son got out of the Army with the Gulf War.
My sister has it.
Both of my sisters now have it.
My 13-year-old daughter has it.
My husband is got most of the symptoms now.
My God, I can't believe this.
I am so glad I'm listening tonight.
They diagnosed me and told me that I was mentally retarded and autistic.
Yeah, and I didn't really notice any problems when I came back other than maybe some fatigue for the first few months.
And I never had any problems after that, really.
I did get myself checked at the VA, but like I said, I never had any symptoms.
And it does seem to me that most of the people that are having problems were in rear deployed units that possibly would have been better targets for an area weapon like chemical or biological.
Well, that's what Schwarzkopf is trying to say right now, is it must be the immunizations.
But we don't know.
Here's the problem.
They weren't put in the shot records.
You are not allowed to have several of your immunizations placed in there.
You were told, shut up, get your shot, and move on.
Now, because of that, they violated Nuremberg Code.
They said it was because we don't want the enemy to know what we're inoculating you with or they'll use that agent.
And that was primarily anthrax.
Well, now they're telling the world we're going to inoculate 1.2 million of our troops or whatever with the anthrax, and they're not making any bones about it.
I am sorry, but I don't think we got what we thought we were getting.
I don't think we will ever know what we got.
I do believe it's a problem because those like myself that got sick, that did not serve in the Persian Gulf, had to have gotten it either from the exposure to the troops or the immunizations, either one.
And by the way, for everybody wondering why this has not been carried on the news, it recently broke in the news in Spokane, Washington.
KEM TV, a CBS affiliate with Tom Grant, broke the entire story, 10 segments.
If you're, you know, and you can get that, you would be amazed at what he told on the air.
For the first time in America, somebody has the guts to stand up and tell the truth about the Gulf War illness, KREM news to CBS affiliate in Spokane, and I commend them heartily.
There has now been, and I don't want to scare you all, but I want to tell you there is a confidential Not-for-release document from the VA that shows that there is over a 600% increase in the tumor rates in the active duty military from 91 to 94.
Now that is horrendous.
That is horrendous that you haven't been told about that.
And Representative Shays has that information.
But yes, tumors and cysts, it's a very big problem.
We don't know why.
Again, is it biological?
Is it chemical?
Is it depleted uranium?
I don't know.
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What kind of worries me is that I have a rash on my calves.
Also, sometimes at night my arms go numb and I'll wake up and my whole arm is just numb.
And I'm wondering if it's something that's internal that I can't feel or know about.
Dan Rather and CBS is listening to you, Art, and we the people, because this last night, evening news, he, Dan Rather, mentioned for first time mysterious lights being seen near Long Island by two different airline pilot crews on two different airlines.
And I was wondering, Joyce, if anybody from that unit or 1st Marine Division, a lot of them have come down with us because I don't think I have any symptoms.
I have a daughter who was in the Gulf War, and I worked for the VA during the Agent Orange thing.
And they have this problem that the veteran can't sue the government if he pays the lawyer more than $10.
We've got to get rid of that law.
And I suggest everybody call their congressmen and their senators, write letters, and object to that so that lawyers could go to work on behalf of the veterans.
They don't want America to know the truth because we have a communicable illness, just like every one of your callers have talked about, called fibromyalgia, called polymyositis, called Gulf War illness, and chronic fatigue.
It is out there, it's getting worse, and they don't want you to know that we have had this evidence since 1993, and they have failed to tell you, and it is criminal intent, it is treason.
You know, Art, at this point, there's a million Gulf War veterans' lives at stake.
I am sure that I am going to be found guilty of some unbelievable crime, probably, that I never even knew anything about.
I am sure that I will be removed from the scene somehow.
We have said over and over that, in fact, I call George Bush when I'm on the radio in Houston and say, do not think that silencing our story will silence the issue.
It will only make us stronger.
Because America now knows about this and we're not going to stop.
And if I have to confront the Pentagon directly, and in fact, I'd like for you to have Dr. Stephen Joseph on, I would love to debate him from the Pentagon as to what in the world they think they're doing by trying to lie to the American public because they have access to the major media.
They can tell America that black is white and America is believing it.
And you know, you have Dr. Lynn Horowitz on your program, which I must commend you for.
The guy has a tremendous book out called Emerging Viruses, and there you will see more of the ugly truth.
It is there, America, avail yourself, and we must do something because Art, they have crossed the line in the sand.
You know, I got letters after the last program of World War II pilots, and literally this one guy said, I'm listening to Art Bell, and I'm writing to you, and the blotches on this paper are the tears that I cannot control.
Coming up in a moment, Joyce Raleigh was absolutely correct, and we've got the proof.
We'll get to all that in a moment.
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You know, there is terrorism out there, so in an effort to try to fight it or combat it, we give up these rights.
I'm convinced that there are groups out there, sinister, powerful groups, that would create this terror to continue to control us.
I think you're absolutely correct.
But of course, anybody that's followed the process of government throughout history, once a government has been given a certain amount of power, it always seeks more.
And to suggest that our government is different because it's America, I guess that just shows how historically ignorant the American people have become.
Because in a real sense, these things are our fault.
Americans are, in fact, now trading liberty for security.
Every day, this is going to happen now in our future, that we're going to allow this.
It's just a matter of time.
You're listening to Art Bells Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from December 12, 1996.
Do you remember when Robert Morningsky, a couple of mornings ago, said men and women will be confused by a fog or a blanket that comes over them?
Do you remember that?
Let me read you something that I just got from Gene in Salem, Oregon.
I just looked it up.
50 U.S. Code S 1520 says the DOD may conduct tests involving the use of chemical or biological agents on civilian populations.
All that the statute requires before these tests may be conducted is that one, the armed services committees of both houses of Congress are notified, and two, that the test may not begin until 30 days after local civilian officials are notified.
The statute does not define local officials, nor does it require notification to the public.
Now, this is so incredible that my inclination when Joyce said it, and even now, would be to say, uh-uh, I don't believe it.
That's insanity.
I don't believe it.
Well, if you go up to my webpage right now, we already have a link in to the Cornell Law School, which I'm sorry to say will verify everything I just said.
You can read it for yourself.
You can read it for yourself.
The link is on my webpage now.
Have we lost our damn minds?
Have we truly lost our minds?
Why in God's name would there be a provision allowing chemical And biological testing on U.S. civilian populations?
And I swear to you, ma'am, I wouldn't have believed it, but I just went on my own webpage.
Keith got there.
I went up there on my own webpage and read it.
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Yeah, I heard you say that.
Well, maybe somebody else besides our own government wants to take over the country, and the best way to get rid of the people is to get rid of their line of defense first.
I've been studying health food products, and they talk about the doxophilin used in treating the mycoplasma incognitus.
And my suggestion, and my research, has shown that colloidal silver is killing over 650 pathogens and viruses.
And that, you know, you found out in the British Medical Journal about the antibiotics taking on I've heard a lot of good things about colloidal silver.
Yeah, and I really think that that might be one of our only hopes.
And also another substance called Immunol 500 that's a liver oil from the deep sea sharks off the coast of Scandinavia.
And if I could mention it, it's one of the most effective things to boost the immune system.
It has alkoxyglycerols.
And those are the main things found in our human immune system that boost our immune system.
There are a lot of alternative treatments that have a lot of value out there.
There's absolutely no question about it.
The problem is there are so many now that, you know, like what's a mother to do?
How do you know what to turn to?
Everybody makes claims and there are so Many that it's becoming very confusing for somebody trying to figure out what kind of treatment in the alternative arena to pursue.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
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Yes, hi Art.
Let me get my radio.
Man, I wish I could have gotten a hold of earlier.
And this has been remarked in a couple members of my family that, you know, my anger has, I mean, it's like, as I put it, my Bravo Sierra tolerance has gone way down.
And did she, I mean, I don't show any other symptoms as far as I know, but.
It's like this is not the America I remember, even just a few years ago.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
It can't be true.
Well, I don't know what else we can do about it except to just sit here and hopefully enough people will get involved and we can just take this country back.
If you feel a need to talk with others, and that's about half of why I do it, hearing this kind of information, I surely do understand that.
That's why we've opened up in a chat room.
If you'd like to join us, you're certainly welcome to.
It's on America Online.
And with their new policy, that is to say, whatever it is, 17, 19, 95 or something for unlimited online time, I think it's going to perk up the chat rooms considerably.
And besides, when you're hearing these kinds of things, you really do need to talk to somebody else about it.
Otherwise, you get feeling the way I do anyway.
And I swear, there are not that many times I feel violent, but, you know, I read something like this, and I'd like to punch somebody.
I got a fact from him indicating he had been attacked, physically attacked, the entity released, and then he gave me a number, and I've tried that number a gazillion times, and I can't get a hold of him.
That is as far as it has gone.
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Okay, I remember you saying that you aren't going to be able to get a hold for him or a hold of him for about a week.
The other thing I wanted to ask, have you ever heard of anyone that had successfully sued the United States government to have the money returned to them that they had paid into Social Security?
As a matter of fact, you may recall about, it's been about a decade ago, there was this huge scandal about the government testing chemical and biological weapons on civilians in the subways of New York.
And so maybe we were just following our own policy.
And even though chemicals and biologicals were used, we didn't make it public so we wouldn't have to retaliate as we were trying to prevent the Israelis from doing.
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And the U.S. did issue a very public warning to Saddam to not use those weapons against us, otherwise there would have been Swiss retaliation.
The reason that I was calling, I was listening tonight, and excuse me, I'm a little nervous.
When I hear about the Gulf War disease, it always reminds me of people going back to the time before the war when they first heard about it and they were upset that we were even going there.
And Saddam Hussein is still there.
And these people are soldiers.
And we send them over there to fight a war and people get hurt.
And I'm not advocating that these people are sick.
Sorry, I'm just really passionate about this.
It just makes me mad because it's not, you know, I mean, I listen to your show and I hear people talking about the government dupes us or people dupe us.
And it's like, man, you know, I have like so many instances where this has happened to people.
Year after year, there's always something that comes up.
There was a time when at least we had the illusion that our government was fairly moral.
Fairly moral.
We have that illusion.
We have the illusion that when the FBI said something, you could generally believe it.
We have the illusion that when we as a nation did something, there was a moral principle behind it.
Try and explain to me, if you can, the morality of a provision, a statute, that allows experimentation with chemical and biological weapons on civilian populations.
A few years back, during the Rodney King, the aftermath of the trial, I noticed something, and it reminded me of when I was a kid.
I had an operation and was administered, sir.
Anesthetic, thank you.
During that time, In the aftermath of the Rodney King trial, I noticed, I smelled an odor, okay, in the air, and I also felt fatigued.
And I was just wondering, I've always had this thought that maybe the government put something in the air to, as always, they calm down the populace during the aftermath of the trial.
I see what you're driving at, and it's not unreasonable to imagine, look, not unreasonable at all.
I mean, based on what we've got right here, hell yeah.
I mean, why would they be experimenting on the American civilian population?
Experimenting on us for what?
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Exactly.
And I've talked to friends around the country, and I just brought that up, and I didn't indicate that that's what I had thought.
And I talked about them.
And a lot of them, one in Miami said, yeah, I felt real fatigued, tired, around the same time.
And I thought to myself, hmm, just little things that you put together, and it kind of gives you a big, you know, kind of gives you a big picture.
In my mind, I always had that idea that maybe the urban areas, the larger urban areas, that they might have done something like that to call the populace down.
I've got to calm down to try to get my thoughts together.
I'm too angry.
I'm too angry.
Listen, if you want to read a copy of the letter that was the subject matter discussed during yesterday's program, it's on the webpage.
If you want to see this utter insanity that seems so impossible but is obviously true, the link there to Cornell, to the Cornell Law School is on my webpage now.
I really, really, really, before they take the link down or something, suggest you go get it, print it out, show it to your friends, stew about it yourself.
I really don't know what I'm going to do about this, but I'm going to do something.
They've lost their minds.
Absolutely have lost their minds.
So that's on the website.
And I haven't even really had an opportunity to say this because I've been so angry.
There were three really nice guys down at Disneyland who did a really nice thing for me, and there's a photograph of them up on the website.
So you can go take a look at that, too.
It's something a little lighter in this heavy, heavy week.