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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
		Good morning, as the case may be across all of these many time zones.
		great to have you here from the Hawaiian and Tahitian islands in the west to the Caribbean and the US in the east comics native girls visions of both in both down south into South America north to the pole and worldwide on the internet this is Coast to Coast AM I'm Art Bell good morning I would like to first announce tomorrow night
		Richard C. Hogan, Richard C. Hogan will be here.
		I'm not altogether sure what he wants to talk about.
		He is very, um I'm not sure what the right word is.
		Secretive.
		That's the right word.
unidentified		Secretive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it relates somehow to Egypt.
		He's not what's going on, but he's holding it all pretty close to the best, so we'll see what's up tomorrow night with Richard Hopeland.
		All right.
		There's been a riot in Florida, in a Florida city, St. Petersburg.
		The shooting of a black motorist there by police has sparked what authorities are calling a major riot in St. Petersburg.
		They say crowds in a predominantly black neighborhood where the shooting took place threw rocks, bricks, bottles, set fire to cars and businesses.
		Authorities say many people, including police officers, were injured in a riot, which they say is now pretty well contained.
		The riot reportedly began this evening after a black motorist, get this, was shot and killed by police when his car lurched forward during a traffic stop.
		Now let's roll over that one more time.
		The riot reportedly started this evening after a black motorist was shot and killed by police when his car lurched forward during a traffic stop.
unidentified		Now, what's this all about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is not clear.
		What I saw on television was not clear.
		The news conference the mayor of St. Petersburg had was not clear with respect to what happened.
		This sure as hell isn't clear.
		His car lurched forward during a traffic stop.
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would an officer have a gun out during a traffic stop?
		Or had they determined something and the officer had the gun out and had it pointed at the suspect and the car lurched forward and jogged the gun, going off and killing the motorist?
		Or do they mean by this the man began an attempted getaway, but even then you wouldn't shoot somebody?
		Right?
		So I have no idea what's happened here.
		And if anybody in Florida can shed any light on this, I think I'd like to know what the hell happened.
		Because I, you know, if there's wants and warrants and they're serious, then the officer would have pulled a gun, maybe.
		But they would have had the suspect get out of the car.
		And I can't imagine a circumstance where the gun would be extended into the automobile.
		That wouldn't make sense to me.
		So if they drew the gun when the car lurched forward or began to try to get away, that wouldn't make sense either.
		Unless it was a murder warrant or something.
		So I have no idea what's happened here.
		And I'm going to need somebody's help in St. Pete to tell me what happened here.
		One of you, anyway, who knows more than I know about this.
		Well, as you know, Bob Dole has sent his campaign manager down to Ross Perot's campaign headquarters to try to get Perot to drop out of the race and endorse Bob Dole.
		Perot basically said, nuts.
		Famous general once said that.
		That's basically what Perot has said.
		Nuts.
		Perot launched, did launch a bunch of vocal barbs at the president, but turned Adole down flat, and it was not a good idea.
		He should not have asked.
		It has backfired.
		I'm poor Bob Dole.
		It just has not gone well for Bob Dole.
		A pro predicts a second Watergate in 1997, and I think he's probably correct.
		The polls during all of this continued to widen a week and a half before the election for Clinton.
		It has been a terrible, terrible, terrible campaign.
		Terrible.
		This one's going to go down in the history books as one of the worst in all of American history, I think.
		O.J. Simpson's lawyers harshly, yeah, here he is back in the news again, harshly attacked the character of his murdered former wife in court Thursday.
		Gee, you remember how much he was saying he loved her?
		Didn't he say that?
		that he really loved her, and that even when she had an affair, he took it like a...
		Remember that?
unidentified		But in court, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Simpson's lawyers accuse Nicole Brown, Simpson, of partying with prostitutes and drug users, having an abortion, just really, really going after Nicole's character, to the point that the Brown family walked out, walked out of the courtroom.
		The TWA-800 flight has recovered possibly a critical piece of evidence, a fuel probe.
		A fuel probe that shows damage that might prove that the probe itself blew up, exploded, kind of like a detonator in the fuel tank.
		They're not sure, but they're looking into that.
		They've got a suspect, a Saudi dissident in the bombing of the barracks in Saudi Arabia that killed 24 Americans.
		We'll see.
		Here is an amazing, an amazing story.
		And really, I need Father Malachi Martin to even begin to talk about this, I suppose.
		Pope Paul II, brace yourself, is lending his support to the theory of evolution.
		Darwinism.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a written message to a body of experts that advises the Roman Catholic Church on scientific issues, Pope said evolution is, I'm telling you, brace yourself, quote, more than just a theory, end quote.
		And belief in it is compatible with Christian faith.
		The Pope's statement breaks some new ground.
		Boy, that's putting it mildly.
		By acknowledging the validity of the theory of the physical evolution of man and other species through natural selection and hereditary adaptation, the Pope made clear he regards the human soul as divine creation and not subject to the evolutionary process.
		Holy Smokes!
		I agree with the Pope, by the way, but nevertheless, holy smokes.
		I have always felt that evolution and creation have no problem going hand in hand, and I have thought about that for years.
		The hand of God in evolution, the hand of God in the soul of man, no question about it.
		But evolution, pretty much scientifically verifiable.
		But I am amazed, absolutely nothing short of amazed at what the Pope has said.
		And I wonder how you feel about it.
		I wonder how a lot of Christians out there feel about it.
		I imagine there are some ruffled Christian feathers this morning.
		Well, the deformed frog story is growing, sorry, by leaps and bounds.
		And I don't mean to belittle this at all.
		A couple of days ago, there was a rush job and somebody came out and said, well, we think it's parasites.
		A parasites in snakes of being given to frogs.
		And that's what's causing all of this.
		There have been no genetic deformities found yet or problems with the genome.
unidentified		They are still looking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the next logical thing that one would look for, and these frogs are now beginning to turn up all over the place.
		The next logical answer would be we've got pollution at work here.
		Somebody dumped something someplace and the frogs absorbed it into their skin.
		Problem with that is they're being found all over the place.
		So unless somebody dumped something simultaneously in many, many parts of the world, I just don't see how it can be pollution.
		Do you?
		Most striking, according to the scientists that we have talked with thus far, would not be the multiple legs on the back of the frog.
		Those have occurred before.
		Rare, but it has occurred.
		What is troubling scientists greatly are the eyes.
		Missing eyes, eyes in their throats, eyes in places where eyes ought not be.
		Alinda Moulton Howe is hot on the track of this story.
		And we'll see where it goes.
		But the thing they came out with a couple days after the frogs began to show up about the parasites, now considered by most scientists to be very unlikely as a cause, and frankly, they are completely stumped.
		They have no idea what's causing this.
		I mean, you tell me, California, to Texas, to Minnesota, to Montreal, to Vermont, to Japan, what could do that?
		Some single polluting source?
		I think not.
		And with respect to yesterday's very, very, very troubling program, somebody wrote their epitaph to me.
		And it simply says, sometimes I think the world has gone completely mad.
		Then I think to myself, ah, who cares?
		Then I think to myself, Hey, what's for supper?
		And I know how that Faxer feels.
		Last night, Art, you continued to refer to the nature of man.
		I believe what we are witnessing is not the nature of man, but the nature of the beast.
		This is important because the beast has not yet made a physical appearance.
		I believe that Major Dames and Father Martin will be talking more about this in the future.
		Remember that Father Martin made the distinction between Lucifer and Satan.
		Satan is the beast.
		Lucifer, the dragon.
		And the battle is for our souls.
		What we are seeing is the awesome powers that Lucifer and Satan have to influence events in this realm, on this planet, to make us lose faith or our belief system.
		All right, in a moment, we are going to go to open lines.
		That's what we're going to do tonight, because tomorrow night Richard Hoagland is going to be here.
		And again, I know not what he is going to say.
		He's keeping this one very close to himself.
		And so my comment was, well, Richard, I don't know what this is all about.
		And he said, well, then you will ask very good questions.
		I said, yes, I suppose so.
		So we'll see.
		But I know it has something.
		At least I think it has something to do with Egypt and NASA.
unidentified		NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology Thank you.
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music it's a big nearly full moon up there and I'm me
		I haven't played Truth or Trash in a long, long time, and it's a lot of fun.
		You know, it's a lot of fun if the moon is in the right phase and the stories are good.
		It's a lot of fun.
		So I just sort of put that sort in the back of your mind.
		Truth 2 Trash is a game where we allow somebody to come on the air, and I take stories from you.
		I have one truth or trash line.
		And if you have a totally weird story, something Rod Serling would be proud of, then we'll allow you to lay it out here and allow a panel to judge whether your story is truth or utter garbage.
		Trash.
		And it's kind of fun.
		If the stories are good.
		So I'm almost in the mood to do that.
		We'll see as the morning wears on.
		We'll go with open lines probably between now and the top of the hour.
		And maybe the whole night long.
		I don't know.
		We'll see.
		East of the Rockies, you are number one on the air this morning.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, I had a question about the reverse speech.
		Okay.
		Have you ever asked a man, if say you took a prominent speech out of the past, like say Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and had two or three different people read it and you recorded each person, wouldn't work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the reason is that you are wishing to read the reversed speech of the person who gave the address and judge their truthfulness or their untruthfulness, lack of it.
		And the only way you can do that is by that specific person.
		Different people reading it would give different results.
unidentified		And I heard him the other night where he taped the debate.
unidentified		Is he going to tape the president when he accepted speech to see how that sounds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that slightly presumptive, sir?
unidentified		Whoever becomes president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I suppose so, yeah.
		He tapes major events, so I certainly would think so, yes.
unidentified		And do you know when you'll have him back on again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shortly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soon.
unidentified		All right, then.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Shortly soon.
		Shortly soon.
		Maybe next week, depending on political events.
		We'll see.
		Backward speech.
		You see, it is of the person of their particular thoughts, and therefore substituting somebody else who would read somebody else's words just wouldn't get it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Hello.
		Tim in Denver, Cal Country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		I just wanted to mention in today's edition of the Rocky Mountain News, the newspaper, page 52e, there's a little write-up that mentions you.
		I'd like to fax it to you, but I've forgotten your fax number.
		I don't have it with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's area code 702.
unidentified		Got that part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		727-8499.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what, pray tell, does it say?
unidentified		Well, I'll just send it to you and you can read it.
unidentified		How's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it unkind?
unidentified		No, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, tell me what it says then.
unidentified		Well, I'll let you read it for yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you have a choice on your fax machine, make sure you put it on light because newspaper stories a lot of times don't come out too well.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I usually darken it up before I send it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		So I was going to do that for you.
unidentified		But Curiosity's up over tomorrow night's show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Tell me about it.
		I don't even know.
		I mean, can you imagine Richard's comment to me?
		I ask him what it's about, and he kind of hems and haws and really doesn't want to tell me.
		And so I said, come on, Richard, I've got to know what it's about.
		He said, well, then you'll ask good questions.
unidentified		But, Art, you always ask good questions.
		That's one of the reasons we like to listen to you.
		You're always asking the questions that we're thinking that we like to ask ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope so.
unidentified		Okay, have a good time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, wait, one last thing, Tim.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Pope getting next to evolution here.
		What do you think about surprise?
		It's kind of surprising, isn't it?
unidentified		It is very surprising.
		I wish it would have happened before Malachi Martin was on.
		That would have been a great question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right, and I would love to ask Malachi.
unidentified		But it is something that would take an ordinary individual right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		I didn't even bring it up with Malachi.
		I mean, here he is, a Catholic priest, and you would think normally I guess you could ask a question like that, but you would certainly presume the answer would be, oh, Art, how can you ask somebody like me a question like that?
		But maybe the answer's changed officially now.
		That's incredible.
		All right, thanks.
		Thank you, Michael, and I'll look forward to it.
unidentified		Okay, bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		All right.
		Well, I'll read it to you when we get it.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
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		You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, tonight featuring coast to coast AM from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, I'm still not clear, but here from Florida is a fact on St. Pete and what's going on there.
		The St. Pete riot.
		Art seems a motorist attempted to run over the officer, who then shot him.
		The officer was almost run over, then shot him.
		I would have a number of questions about this as well.
		Why would the officer in a traffic stop be in front of the car?
		He shouldn't be.
		Shouldn't have been.
		Can't imagine why he would have been.
		It does clear up, though, why the guy was shot.
		Now, if he tried, whatever the circumstance, if this guy tried to kill a cop, then all bets are off.
		It's that simple.
		I mean, that is attempted murder, and you defend yourself with lethal force.
		Period.
		So if this was in an intentional attempt to murder, then the officer did exactly what the officer was supposed to do.
		He drew his gun and defended his life.
		But it still sounds weird.
		The officer should not have been in front of the car, and I can only assume it's in front because the story says the car lurched forward.
		So this is far from clear.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Reference to that St. Petersburg thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
		One case or the other.
		I beg your pardon?
		One case or the other.
		We had a case in St. Louis where a black man was killed by a Mexican man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does this have to do with St. Petersburg, though?
unidentified		There wasn't a riot then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, but what does this have to do with St. Petersburg?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there have been people killed all over the place.
unidentified		That's a case to have a riot.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, look, until we know the details, we're just spouting off at the mouth here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't know what they're saying.
unidentified		No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		In terms of the Mexican man, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, we're not talking about the incident in St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it was, we're talking about the money.
unidentified		No, we're drawing comparison, Art.
		Well, how can you compare until you have something to compare to?
		Let's talk about something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, indeed.
unidentified		Okay, let's just get off on something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go right ahead, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go wherever you want.
unidentified		Okay, number one is you're talking about the Pope and Darwin theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I reported on the question.
unidentified		Let me just say, look, Mart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, sir.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
unidentified		Why did you make a big point when science came out and said there's no correlation between neon earthful man and humankind?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't say that.
unidentified		That's a toll.
unidentified		That's a toll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't speak for the Pope.
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		I'm talking about science.
		If we're talking about science, you didn't make a big point of that.
		In reference to Hoagland, you had the man on who you extoll more than anybody else in your lifetime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		Yes, you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		You wrote the different novels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
		Goodbye.
		I know who you are.
		You're the same guy that called the other night.
		I finally recognized your voice there.
		You're the guy who said, Aren't you rude?
		That's who you are.
		And you were on the Hoagland thing the other night, too.
		I'm very good, sir, with the voices.
		And what you just ran through there was an utter exercise in futility and stupidity.
		And if it was designed to get me angry, that's probably it did a very good job.
		Because you can't talk about St. Petersburg with an utter lack of knowledge, and I certainly admit an utter lack of knowledge about what happened, and you certainly haven't, and boil it just down to a white man-black man deal.
		You don't know what the hell happened there.
		And to start talking about whatever occurred in St. Louis, whatever that was, has no relationship, bears no relationship to what has occurred in St. Petersburg because you don't know what happened there.
		And as far as Richard Hoagland is concerned, this goes back to your call the other day.
		I don't extol Richard more than any other human being, Richard is a damn good guest.
		Richard is a very good guest.
		But do I hold him up as one would a heroic figure beyond all others?
		No.
		So your call was all over the place, going nowhere productive.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, I just want to say I really enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And, you know, I also want to say that on the frog thing, you know, there are many prominent scientists, including Dr. Bill Wattenberg out of KGO in San Francisco, who do not believe that we have an ozone depletion due to something we have done.
		And I think that we should listen to some of these scientists before we make a judgment.
		You know, groups like the Sierra Club in our...
		I don't know, Art.
		He hasn't talked about that.
		I'd like to get through to him this weekend and talk to him about it.
		But it could be a mutation that is occurring from a natural phenomenon.
		You know, much of the ozone is depleted through volcanoes and things in our universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely correct.
		And the ozone hole is presently about twice the size of Europe is the latest report.
		Now, I don't know whether we did it.
		I don't say that.
		I just say it is.
		It is a fact.
		Whoever did it, a volcano or whoever, it is real.
		And even Bill, I'm sure, would not deny that.
		The NASA measurements have been very specific.
unidentified		Well, I'd like to get him to talk about it.
		And another thing, just let me say that on the endangered species, you know, we think that this is something that is just occurring in our lifetimes and in the 20th century.
		But since the Earth began, like 400 million years ago, 99% of all of the animals that have ever lived are now extinct.
		So, you know, I mean, we're so egotistical as human beings.
		We think that this is just something we have to look at the big picture.
		And I'm kind of tired of all these ego freaks, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is one thing to bear in mind.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said since the world began, your statement, 99% of all species are extinct, right?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Up until this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do not think the globe is going to suddenly stop or that all life is going to end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But our place on the globe could be entirely displaced very easily.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Well, yes, true, but I think we have to take care of the environment, but I think we need to look at the big picture.
unidentified		And before, like I said, we let groups like the Sierra Club in our government scare us, make sure that what is happening is something that we can control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, all of this, thank you, is not coming from the Sierra Club.
		Believe me, the Story on the Frogs is not a Sierra Club press release.
		The Story on the Frogs is coming from all over the world.
		And while it certainly might be true that there's a pollution problem, to have a pollution problem simultaneously across the U.S. all the way to Japan seems unlikely.
		I can easily understand that an area or even a river or a system could be polluted, but that doesn't account for these deformities in Vermont, Montreal, California, Texas, Missouri, Minnesota, the Dakotas, in Japan.
		It just can't account for all of that at once, can it?
		Or if it can, then explain to me how that could occur.
		That's all.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, great program.
unidentified		I have a prediction about tomorrow night with Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, do you now, all right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make it.
unidentified		He said he'll talk about an extraterrestrial colony on Earth's moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On Earth's moon?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I was listening to you online, and I went to sightings, and they go sightings in the news, and it says exactly what I just said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody has discovered this?
unidentified		It says it's him.
unidentified		That's what he's going to discuss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On my show?
unidentified		No, it just said on sightings in the news, and it just said that he was talking about, you know, the moon, and then also about Mars, and it said that he's going to be talking about this.
unidentified		So I figure it's going to be on your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Website on sci-fi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that'll be it.
unidentified		I hope so.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not a prediction.
		That's a piece of information.
		Of course, they could be wrong.
		I think that it relates to Egypt.
		But frankly, I'm guessing.
		He hasn't told me.
		Richard hasn't told me.
		So we'll find out.
		West of the Rockies, you're on.
		Whoops, would have been east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Going once.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I had a comment about the evolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm coming from Russellville, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, I'm an apostolic Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I believe that things evolve as their conditions change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's evolution.
unidentified		But according to the Bible, he says that God created man in his own image and in his own likeness.
		And like a monkey, for instance, it doesn't seem to be the image of God.
		And if we did evolve from monkeys, then how come monkeys are still walking around?
		And that's all I wanted to comment on evolution.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		Maybe when we get, what if we get up to the pearlies and there sits a great big Persian cat?
		Judgment Day.
		How did you treat cats while you were on Earth?
		First question.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
unidentified		Good evening, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, I live in southern part of the coastal Oregon.
		And, you know, my frogs only have four legs.
		Two in the front, two in the back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
unidentified		Yeah, anyway, I wanted to mention something you had mentioned in Ozo.
		And I'm a ham operator.
		And I was, at the time, I was living down in Mountain View near San Francisco and San Jose.
		And I happened to get really lucky one night on 10 meters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is lucky at the last two years.
unidentified		Oh, that's lucky.
		Anyway, and there was a skip coming across, and there was this geological expedition sitting somewhere on a block of ice, I guess, in Antarctica.
		And it was about five or six people there, I guess.
		And this little lady was on the, I didn't know, she was only on it, about 100 watts.
		But anyway, and she was talking to me about, well, among me, about half a dozen other hams.
		And she was discussing the fact they were up there to study the hole in the ozone.
		And what was missing them was the fact that the hole was closing and it was supposed to open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was this?
unidentified		I'll give it about seven years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, seven years ago.
unidentified		Yeah, it's been at least seven years ago.
		And at that time, they were already concerned about all of the pollutants in the air and the air conditioning and all that.
		And they were amazed that it was doing the reverse of what they thought it would do.
		And so I said, well, so much for that.
		But right now, my refrigerant for my car, I need some right now, cost me $40 a pound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's getting real expensive.
unidentified		It's pretty pathetic, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		That's all I have to say to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care, sir.
		Yep, pathetic.
		They're having to, well, CFCs, or something that uses CFCs, has simply become much more expensive.
		But the switch is on to another refrigerant, and that's going to cost everybody a bunch of money, too.
		I don't know.
		With respect to the ozone hole, I'll tell you straight out, I don't know.
		But I certainly am not beyond looking at the evidence.
		And this thing about the frauds right now is genuinely worrisome.
		We need to figure out why.
		And why it could be so geographically diverse.
		What else on a global scale could do this?
		Anybody have any ideas?
		On a global scale, what could do this?
		Any thoughts?
		Pollution is the obvious answer, but the geographic diversity just about rules that out.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I just thought I'd give you kind of an off-the-wall suggestion as to what might be causing the frogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Okay, I'm just wondering if the same species or alien or whatever that's mutilating the cattle and taking the blood out of animals and leaving no traces might be using that blood, getting DNA out of it, and doing bioengineering on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you saw the same movie I did, didn't you?
		No, I just frog DNA.
		You remember frog DNA?
		You don't remember that?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		No, I didn't see that.
unidentified		What picture was this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never saw a movie where they used frog DNA to create a link to dinosaurs?
unidentified		Uh-uh.
		What's the name of it?
		Unless you're stumping me here, are you?
		You're not pulling me a fast one, are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		It's a very famous movie.
		I'm not telling you.
		I'm making you guess.
		Now, what famous movie had as its storyline an island off, I think it was South America, where they put together a theme park about dinosaurs?
unidentified		Well, okay, I just didn't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't remember the name of that movie?
unidentified		Oh, now it's starting to dawn on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jur.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Jurassic Park.
		I didn't see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They used a frog DNA to create the links for the portion of the DNA they did not have of the dinosaurs.
unidentified		Maybe the writer of that movie knows something we don't then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that could be.
		That could be.
		Anyway, it is puzzling and troubling, and we need to get to the bottom of why this.
unidentified		It doesn't seem that something that can travel remote distances in a short period of time.
unidentified		It seems like all of these deformities have been found over a large area in a relatively short period of time, have they not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Sorry?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got to imagine something on a global scale, or I suppose, Doug and Dave of the alien world up there zipping around doing this to our frogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wouldn't be my first guess.
unidentified		Well, that's my entry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Kim Messer in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello there.
unidentified		Hey, Dr. Wattenberg attributed the frog to its natural for genetic mutation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, unfortunately, scientists looking at the genome have as yet found no problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in other words, if there is a change in the genetic structure of the frog, then it should be apparent when they look at the frog's DNA, and it is not apparent.
unidentified		Yeah.
		You want to hear my millennium theory?
		Sure.
		Well, you know, Halloween is time that a lot of traditions honor their dead because they think that, like, our world and the spirit world are closer together.
		And so they have, you know, little ceremonies to honor their ancestors and stuff like that.
		But, you know, a lot of those traditions follow like seasonal cycles.
		And I think, and it's really interesting, that's also like their New Year.
		And so I was thinking, maybe the millennium is the same type of thing, only on a much grander scale.
		And that's why we have the quickening and all that.
		Because the spirit world in our world, like maybe the door is wider open or something because of the millennium.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm.
unidentified		Interesting, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I hadn't thought about it before, but I shall.
unidentified		You want to hear my population, overpopulation theory?
		Sure.
		Well, I was thinking about how we're overpopulated, and I was also thinking about how people predict like the coming calamities and major earth changes and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was thinking, maybe the Earth allows us to overpopulate so that our chances of surviving a major earthwide calamity will be better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		Well, that's one theory.
		It's still not a very pretty theory.
unidentified		No, it's not a very pretty theory, but at least some of us will survive.
unidentified		And not only that, probably the strongest of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you be a survivor?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think so?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Out there raggedy-taggedy walking around sort of a Mad Maxine thing.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		That's exactly what I'd be like, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it is.
		I know.
		That's right, you're here already.
		I can almost like I can close my eyes and I can see you.
		Dirt smudges on your face.
		Probably a motorcycle.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		A little bit of whatever scrap of leather I can pick up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of leather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of leather.
unidentified		You're full of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would.
unidentified		I wouldn't look like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet you would.
unidentified		What would you be like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be one of the grateful dead.
unidentified		Oh, not on.
unidentified		You'd be sitting up on your tile of technology looking down at all of us, plebeians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think not.
unidentified		Hey, you know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		You're rude, and I like it.
		Do you?
		Yeah.
		If you weren't rude, I wouldn't listen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get off my radio station.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
		Sort of, yeah, I picture her right.
		Mad Maxine.
		Well, I can't give her another name.
		She's already 10.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Arch.
unidentified		Steve from South Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Steve.
unidentified		Yes, say on Flight 800.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I found it sort of scary that those two pieces of wreckage found today having to do with that central fuel tank was in the general area that Ed Dames had talked about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's sort of scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of what Ed Dames says is scary, Steve.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
		Now, I'm not going to venture a guess about what my favorite guest will talk about tomorrow night.
		Whatever he talks about seems to relate so well to science.
		So I'm just going to tell you that I can hard hardly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait.
		He's on to something big, Steve.
		That's all I can tell you, and he won't tell me what it is.
unidentified		I'll sure be listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, won't we all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He really won't tell me.
unidentified		I pressed him pretty hard, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess he needs to gather some last-minute information or something.
		Anyway, we'll find out.
		It'll be tomorrow.
		That's Richard Hoagland.
		You don't want to miss that one tonight.
		Open lines, and more or less, whatever comes up.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Thank you.
		Premier Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, hey, hey.
		Open lines tonight.
		Tomorrow night, Richard C. Hoagland with a mystery.
		He won't tell me what he's going to talk about.
		We'll find out together tomorrow night.
		Well, all right.
		I'm still not clear about St. Petersburg.
		I've heard the news, but a lot of things are unclear to me.
		It is unclear to me why an officer would go in front of a car during a traffic stop.
		Shouldn't do that.
		Normally would not do that until the driver is out of the car.
		So I'm just not clear.
		Hi, Art.
		Really enjoy your show.
		I live in Clearwater, 10 miles north of St. Pete.
		And from watching the local news, it would appear that during the traffic stop, the driver did something to make the policeman concerned for his safety.
		This occurrence is coming on the heels of a Tampa policeman being run over and critically injured during a traffic stop of a suspected two-times murderer about a week and a half ago.
		Well, that would certainly account for higher tensions, but would not in any way affect the way this particular traffic stop or situation is looked at.
		It will be looked at on its own merit or not.
		However, I do have questions about why a cop would be in front of a stopped vehicle.
		That's the part I don't get.
		Maybe that will become clear.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Eric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Say, I'm Jeff from Rochester, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I really enjoyed your monologue this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		One of my biggest fears that I have regarding St. Petersburg, the city of Rochester, and this is a northern city, is comprised of 78%, I could be off by a couple bitches, of minority.
		My wife and I are stuck with this house that we have here in a really nice part of the city.
		And if something like that was to happen here in Rochester, I don't know what we would do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the same thing other people have done, sir.
		I was in Las Vegas when the riots occurred there, in Los Angeles over Rodney King, and then they occurred very much so in Las Vegas as well.
		And what you do is try to put the community back together again and look for calmer heads.
unidentified		I have never seen race relations so low in my life since the mid and latter 60s than there are going on right now.
unidentified		And I see neither candidate addressing this issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an absolutely fair comment.
		You're right about that.
		Neither candidate is addressing this issue.
		Thank you.
		And you know, he is correct.
		And I don't know why race relations are at such a low-ebb, low point right now.
		I don't know.
		I really don't know.
		Why?
		You tell me.
		Why?
		I know that I don't feel it, and maybe that's why I don't understand it.
		Why should race relations be deteriorating now?
		Shouldn't they be better, arguably, after all these years?
		Shouldn't we have sort of reached some new stage of consciousness regarding the way we feel about each other?
		But apparently not, and race relations are ragged.
		Why?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, yeah, I've just seen the report about the Pope and the talk of the evolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that remarkable?
unidentified		And they showed another Catholic priest saying that, describing how man just appeared, there was never a half-man or anything.
		And that brings to mind Zacharias Sitchin was on a show last night, and along with him was priest, Father Charlie Moore, talking about what is under the ruins that were opened in Jerusalem.
		And they were both saying very plainly, including the father, that they believe it was a landing pad from extraterrestrials.
		And this Roman Catholic priest was saying he believes, like Sitchin, that they will come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would fly in the face of what the Pope said.
		The Pope is saying essentially that he has no problem with embracing evolution.
		It is a most remarkable statement from the Pope.
		Most remarkable.
unidentified		Why would he start coming out with that now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think that necessarily would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't see how.
unidentified		Well, you hear of, like, you heard of Reagan and the Pope talking about completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Maybe you're on to something.
		Maybe it does have something to do with the Mars rock.
unidentified		Maybe Russlin could enlighten us tomorrow night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he will.
unidentified		And I believe NASA has said, according to places on the website, that they will show footage of Sidonia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct, sir.
		But you know something?
		Originally, NASA said that they were going to show live footage of Sidonia.
		All right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it would actually be delivered to the Internet as it was cleared.
		Okay, well, the latest news, I'm afraid, is that they have decided not to provide it live.
		And the reason they're giving is the translation from digital to analog.
unidentified		That's their reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's their reason, and it's not a good one, because the translation from digital to analog can be accomplished for very, very little amount of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I could do it if I had to.
unidentified		And what time is Mr. Hopeland on tomorrow night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First hour, 11 o'clock, Pacific.
unidentified		First hour.
unidentified		Okay, I'll be prepared for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if anybody ever is.
		All right, thank you very much.
		Yeah, this is remarkable.
		And maybe the caller's right.
		Maybe some of the recent scientific news has pushed the Pope.
		Maybe the news about discovery of, albeit primitive, life on Mars billions of years ago, maybe that pushed the Pope the final little bit to begin to suggest that, well, look at what the Pope said.
		That evolution, he said, quote, is more than just a theory, end quote.
		Good heavens, Betsy, that's quite a remarkable statement for a Pope, isn't it?
		More than just a theory.
		So the caller may be onto something.
		It may be the Mars discovery pushed the Pope.
		What do you think?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, this is John calling from El Paso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, El Paso, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get good and close to your phone and speak up loud.
unidentified		Okay, sure enough.
unidentified		I was just wondering if you had ever read the book, The Mayan Prophecies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh, I certainly have.
unidentified		Well, in the book, it states that there's going to be, according to the writer, a shift in the magnetic poles of the sun.
		And in the process, the radiation that comes through changes our ionosphere, and more radiation comes through, thus affecting fertility, causing mutations.
		And that's one of the reasons that the fellow said, others said that maybe that's what happened to the Maya is that the fertility went down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that there was a story about six months ago, sir, that fertility rates worldwide had fallen by half?
		Now, then there was another story that said, well, no, now they haven't.
		So I'm not sure what the story is, but there was that story about six months ago.
		We talked about it here.
unidentified		Yeah, well, the magnetic field could affect the fertility and whether you have a correct child or deformed one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would certainly do us quickly, wouldn't it?
		The dinosaurs, we think, went very quickly.
		And without the ability to approcreate, should something suddenly affect that?
		Think about it.
		We would be gone in one generation, a cosmic blink of the eye.
		That's how fast we'd be gone.
		If we suddenly could, for any reason, not procreate ever.
		That'd be it.
		In one generation, there would be nobody left.
		Empty planet.
		Where'd they go?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Is it all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Oh, weird.
unidentified		I guess it's at a different time than mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
		There's just a little bit of delay.
		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Oh, it's off now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where Are you?
unidentified		I'm in Texas.
		Okay.
		That's kind of like a, I don't know, offer a suggestion in relation to the frogs.
		I don't know, I'm pretty young and mentally immature.
		But like if they polluted a river, wouldn't it, over time at least, after everything accumulated and it rained at the sea and rained, wouldn't it all, couldn't it scatter all about the earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not saying that couldn't happen, but you're talking about, certainly you'd be talking about a slow process.
		In other words, a very intense pollution, for example, of the Mississippi River.
		Try and imagine how long it would take for that to affect frogs in Japan.
unidentified		Well, I mean, all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet, sir, the frogs began to show up, or the mutations began to show up, virtually simultaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See what I'm saying?
unidentified		Maybe it'd be like a leading edge, and maybe cows will be made up of Pam or something.
unidentified		Yeah, maybe other things will start to show mutations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly hope not.
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
unidentified		It just seems possible to make it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this is like the canary you take down in the mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they say about frogs, because of their very permeable skin.
unidentified		And maybe since they're water and air, it's kind of a hen.
		I don't know.
		But yeah, 250 years or however many of industrializations.
		I don't know.
		I thought it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it's also an insidious plan by restaurants that are serving frog legs.
unidentified		Yeah, and maybe everything's going to blow up in two hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good morning.
		It is a mystery, and I'm getting story after story after story on this frog business.
		Believe me.
		About two days after the major stories on the mutations began to break, they broke a story, trying to suggest that it was parasites.
		Snake parasites.
		And that lasted for about 24 hours.
		And now all the serious scientists are coming out and saying, no, not parasites.
		Wait a moment.
		That might account for something, but it doesn't account for what we're seeing here.
		And they are, the real scientists, are absolutely still mystified about what it is.
		So am I. Aren't you?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Curtis from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Curtis.
unidentified		How you doing?
		All right.
		Having a cigarette right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty politically incorrect, Curtis.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm wondering if our secondhand smoke they're going to say caused the frogs to do what they're doing now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you've hit it.
		They'll blame it on the smokers.
		The poor, poor frogs.
unidentified		I tell you.
unidentified		I was going to ask you about the pyramid, so they're not going to open the Sphinx now, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say that.
unidentified		Well, they were going to plan on doing it here in a month or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But that's canceled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't say that.
unidentified		Well, I thought a week or so ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Linda Howe interviewed Mr. Hawass, the Egyptian curator official.
		And he indicated quite strongly that it was canceled.
		I don't really want to say anything publicly here, but let me just say there may have been changes at Giza.
		I can't go beyond that right now.
		I do know something about that, maybe, and I can't talk about it.
unidentified		Another interesting thing, you know, that I've studied the Bible somewhat in my life, and my father, too, and my family.
		And it's amazing that they are not mentioned in the Bible anywhere, the pyramids, and them being, I guess they're like 5,000 years old or so, so they're even before the Bible was written.
		But you would think with Christ and all that around that area that he would, I mean, they would have to be mentioned at least about, I don't know.
		But there's also books of the Bible that are missing or that weren't thoroughly the original Bible that was found, whatever.
		There were pieces of different books that were possibly missing that maybe may still be recovered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know.
		Maybe they will open some chamber and they will find ancient writings that will absolutely blow all of our minds about everything, you know, the way we thought it was, it wasn't.
		Who knows?
unidentified		All right, well, have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		SHOOOOOOSH!
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adear Sir Arthur of the Kingdom of Nye, I am faxing an intriguing story for you, and you tell me, truth or trash.
		My story begins about two years ago.
		I'm employed as a lab tech in a Tennessee area hospital.
		So I see some pretty strange things.
		On this particular night, we had a patient brought into our facility as a code blue.
		As you know, this means the patient's heart had stopped.
		CPR was in progress, and everybody was working like crazy to save this guy.
		We did all we could.
		We worked for well over an hour, probably more like two, to try to save him.
		Our doctor, finally, after consulting the patient's family, ended the code and pronounced the patient deceased.
		According to the patient's family and his records, he was a donor.
		The appropriate people had been contacted and were en route to the hospital.
		When the retrieval team arrived, they went straight to work.
		As they evaluated the body for organ retrieval, they checked the cornea of the eye to see if it could be used.
		The doctor noticed that when her pen light shone in the eye, the pupil dilated.
		This caused her to stop and Think she checked for a pulse.
		She found none.
		Unconvinced, she listened with her stethoscope.
		In the quiet of the morgue, she could faintly hear a heartbeat.
		Upon close inspection, she could see tiny clouds of breath from the patient fog in the cold air of the refrigerated compartment.
		Oh my God.
		The patient was immediately taken by helicopter to Vanderbilt Medical Center and placed in IZU.
		Just three weeks later, he was released and, believe it or not, suffered almost no long-term effects.
		Truth or trash.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		I'm calling from Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, uh, the landing place.
unidentified		Yeah, I haven't heard anything about that.
		What I was calling about was the show you had on last night and it was all working rooms.
		Yes.
		It was horrifying.
		I know.
		And I was thinking, you know how Bush kind of seemed to give up and not really try to be re-elected?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I viewed it that way, yeah.
unidentified		I wonder if it had something to do with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Well, if I was president and that went on, I probably wouldn't want to be president anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, you make an interesting point.
		I I just, you know, it's so hard for me to believe that a president who would have to be aware of this could even live with himself, come out and face the American people knowing that kind of information.
		I mean, it's just it's depressing, frankly, to even think about.
unidentified		Yeah, and he was the one, you know, that sent him over there and found, you know, and then this all happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I just wonder if that might have a president has to bear, then I'll tell you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could never do that job.
unidentified		Oh, I don't know why anybody would want to be president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder about it myself.
		Thank you.
		Can you imagine, folks, let us just say there is some national security strategic reason why we would have to have maintained silence knowing that our troops were being exposed to biological and chemical weapons.
		And that you, as President, were aware of that fact.
		You would have to live with that.
		And it seems to me that's something that I could not live with.
		How about you?
		Could you face the American people at all?
		Knowing that sort of information, I think not.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, heartbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's me, all right, and I'm fine.
unidentified		Good.
		I have a theory on these frog things.
		Okay.
		The Chernobyl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chernobyl.
unidentified		What was that called again, Chernobyl?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chernobyl.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if that were the case, then shouldn't there be a bunch of deformed frogs around Chernobyl?
unidentified		Well, possibly, but radiation goes up into the clouds and rain carries all over the world, etc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is true, sir.
		But the fallout that was in the rain from Chernobyl affected Scandinavia.
		It killed a bunch of reindeer.
		It did very serious damage in that area where it was very strong.
		And so if that was the cause, then you would think that area would be the one affected.
		I mean, they had to throw away milk in Scandinavia.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was so bad.
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So their frogs ought to be a real mess.
unidentified		Maybe they don't have any.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a point there.
		Maybe they don't.
		I have no idea.
unidentified		You never know.
unidentified		You never know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're in Manitoba?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it getting cold up there?
unidentified		In fact, we've got about a foot of snow here on the border of Manitoba, Saskatchewan.
		Wow.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the weather report.
		Manitoba, Saskatchewan.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		on this, Somewhere in Time.
		On this, Somewhere in Time.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		It's great to be here.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And we'll talk about anything you want to talk about.
		Let me try and find out more.
		I've got something here on the situation in Florida.
		The disturbances began with a stolen Pontiac Le Mans.
		Police began to chase the Le Mans at about 5 p.m.
		At the wheel was the 18-year-old.
		Beside him, another teenager.
		Near an intersection, the Le Mans was cut off by a cruiser.
		Two officers, a man and woman, got out.
		The male officer, identified by police as Jim Knight, stood in front of the Le Mans.
		The female officer stood to the side.
		Now, here is where I'm just not clear about why it was done.
		Why would anybody stand in front of the car?
		At any rate, Yolanda Levine and Lisa Kramp said they saw what happened next.
		They said the woman officer ran to her cruiser and grabbed a baton.
		Then ran back to the car and hit the driver's side window.
		Knight stood in front of the car, his hands on the hood, they said.
		Again, that's the other policeman, Knight.
		Levine and Kramp said the car inched forward, and the woman yelled for Knight to shoot.
		He did, striking the driver.
		There were five shots.
		Five, said Kraft, 19.
		The boy wasn't going fast enough to run them over.
		He wasn't even going two miles an hour.
		It was the seventh police shooting of the year in St. Pete, the sixth involving a police officer firing upon a car.
		Well, I have no way of knowing if what I just got is an accurate rendition of what occurred in St. Petersburg.
		If it is, I understand why they have a problem.
		But again, I caution everybody out there, you know, I worked in these areas, and a lot of reports that you get concerning how an incident went down are at first inaccurate.
		So I'm going to be very cautious here, and I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.
		Now, obviously, if that rendition of the incident was accurate, a lot of people would understand why there has been a problem.
		But I just don't think we know, and I don't like leaping to conclusions about this sort of thing.
		I just worked too many years in the area, and I know that until you get down to an internal affairs investigation and you really know how something came down, you don't understand whether you had a good shoot or not.
		You just don't know.
		So, there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Yes, yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is the idea.
unidentified		I better turn off the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you better do that, yes.
unidentified		Boy, there's quite a delay there.
unidentified		Art, I wanted to talk about this business with the Pope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And if I get a moment afterwards, I'll tell you about Malachi Martin and Roswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malachi.
		All right.
		let's go to the pope uh...
		well you know innocence has no problem with the uh...
unidentified		Well, you know, there was a statement that was out a few years ago.
		I can't remember.
		I think it was Paul VI, that they had a statement that actually coming out and saying that evolution was not contrary to the church's teaching.
		So this is not new entirely.
		And in fact...
		Oh, no.
		This has been several years.
		It might have been even earlier than that.
		This idea that something similar to evolution may have occurred, but that it was guided by God is hardly new.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not, I think, the question is, did the Pope state this as a doctrinal thing, or did he talk about it as Well, the Pope said, quote, evolution is more than just a theory, end quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and that that belief is compatible with Christian faith.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it goes on to say.
		Wait a minute, sir.
		Hold on, sir.
		It goes on to say the Pope's statement breaks new ground by acknowledging the validity of the theory of the physical evolution of man and other species through natural selection and hereditary adaption.
		So they apparently had not heard what you had heard.
unidentified		Well, there's a Pontifical Council on Science that has been looking into this now for some time.
		And they have not come out with their conclusions yet, but they're coming closer to it.
		And I think this is what motivated the Pope's statement.
		But I think one of the things you have to remember is that when the Pope is speaking as his own opinion, it doesn't carry the same weight as if he states that it's doctrine.
		So if he talks about science, you don't have to pay much attention to it.
		But if he's specifically saying that, you know, in terms of Christian doctrine, that it doesn't contradict it.
		That's the part to look at.
		And they've said that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I guess you need to call up Reuters and let them know, because they think this is new.
unidentified		Well, you know, most people aren't familiar with a lot of these things that are going on.
unidentified		And he did state it more strongly than anybody has before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		Yes, Reuters needs to know this is nothing new because they are certainly presenting it that way.
		And I have never, never, never heard Pope say anything like this.
		Doesn't mean it hasn't happened, I guess, but evolution is more than just a theory.
		That's a pretty strong statement, I would say.
		Somebody just sent me this, and I have no idea what it is.
		It's from the Rocky Mountain News.
		He said he was going to send it.
		And it's an ad for an Art Bell Listeners Hotline.
		Rocky Mountain News.
		Why would there be an Art Bell Listeners Hotline?
		I suppose I could call it and find out.
		I suppose it's for people like, you know, that are hooked on the show or something to help them.
		Or I wonder what it could be the Art Bell Listeners Hotline.
		Well, maybe I'm curious enough to try to call it.
		I wonder if there's anybody answering it at this time of the morning.
		Let me try it Art Bell Listeners Hotline.
		Okay, let me see if we can get it.
		I'm not sure about this, but we will try.
		Let's see.
		There we go.
		Calling the Art Bell Listeners Hotline, whatever that is, from the Rocky Mountain News.
unidentified		Calling the Art Bell Listeners Hotline, whatever that is, from the Rocky Mountain News.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe nobody's there at this time of the morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Have I called the wrong number?
		I've called what is listed here as the Art Bell Listeners Hotline.
unidentified		You have the wrong number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		I've got the wrong number, right?
		Let me try it again.
		I'm sorry about that.
		Okay, let's try it again.
		I could have sworn I dialed the right number.
		Let's see.
		Hope I didn't wake anybody up.
		He sounded awake.
		Okay, let's see.
		I hope I don't get the same guy.
		If I do, I give up.
		Here we go again.
		Again, from the Rocky Mountain News.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Well, let's see.
		I'll leave a message.
		Cute tone.
		There's the tone.
		Hello there.
		This is Art Bell, and I was just checking into what this line was, and now I know, and I hope you have a grand time.
		Rocky Mountain News.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		My name's Jerry from Rancho Cucamonga.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jerry.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I wanted to ask you a question.
		We've heard, I believe it was Reagan, who first came up with the statement against Carter.
		Are you better off now than you were four years ago?
		I wanted to ask you this question, Arp, I think would be interesting.
		How about are we freer today than we were four years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		The answer is clearly no.
		But you know what?
		I am afraid that no matter which man becomes president, it's not like it's a big mystery, actually, but no matter which one would become president, in four more years, asking that same question would yield the same answer.
		I honestly believe that our relative freedoms are controlled more by population pressure than they are by the guy who's in the White House.
unidentified		Well, and I also agree, Art, with let's try to keep this thing in balance and keep the Republicans in to keep in check.
		You bet.
		Okay, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way to go.
		Thank you very much.
		It's going to be a close call in the House.
		I predict President Clinton, an easy reelection.
		The Republicans retain control by the skin of their teeth of the House.
		They retain control of the Senate.
		And then in the year that follows, President Clinton is going to be in a great deal of trouble.
		These scandals are going to begin to have some traction in the next year.
		Unfortunately for Bob Dole, they did not get traction soon enough.
		The big news, of course, Bob Dole sent his campaign manager down to see Ross Perot, and Ross Perot basically said nuts.
		And the whole thing has backfired on Bob Dole at a bad time.
		Things have not gone well for Bob Dole.
		This is one of the poorest campaigns in memory, rivaling and possibly even surpassing the George Bush campaign for re-election, which I thought was really lame.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Let me turn this off.
		You know, concerning the Pope's statement, was that supposed to be Pope John Paul or Pope, what was his name?
		Pope Paul VI.
		Was this a recent statement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This dear lady was today.
unidentified		Okay, let me tell you something.
		You will hear a lot of contradictory statements to church teaching these days.
		It's a sign of apostasy in the church.
		You know, Michael Brown, do you remember Michael Brown?
		You had from the final hour he wrote that book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I don't know if you recall, but I read the book.
		He talked about that.
		There's a lot of apostasy in the church.
		Who is speaking for whom?
		We don't know anymore.
		It's just teachings that were valid all along are becoming contradictory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's Pope John Paul.
unidentified		Well, you have to go by your gut feeling, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pope John Paul II, and it's brand new.
unidentified		Pope got Parkinson's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I've heard.
unidentified		Yeah, but who is speaking for whom we don't know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say he's got Parkinson's, do you mean to say that that accounts for why he would say something like this?
unidentified		No, because I don't think that it's more of a nerve disease in the fingers than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, well, it sounded like you were saying that's why he would say something like this.
		I appreciate your call, ma'am.
		Thank you.
		And that is certainly the way it sounded.
		He's got Parkinson's.
		Well, that must be why he said this.
		I understand the disconcerting nature of this statement for a lot of Christians out there.
		And what I would tell you is what I believe.
		And that is that there is not a problem between evolution, what the Bible says about creation.
		Simply think of it as somewhat metaphoric.
		And that God's hand has squarely been in the process of evolution all along.
		I have never had a problem with this.
		Never.
		But I do understand that a lot of Christians are going to be very, very upset about it.
		And why?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
unidentified		This is your buddy Tony from Vegas.
unidentified		I'm a pretty recent listener.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Tony.
unidentified		Hey, did you Keith ever get that triangular craft you saw up on the webpage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did Keith ever get the triangular craft?
unidentified		You're the guy who sets up your stuff for the webpage?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You saw like a triangular craft with your wife?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		And I was just curious, because I asked you if you could put an artist rendition up on your webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's how it came down, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are only two of us who saw it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me, my wife.
		My wife is busily having a very rough asthma attack right now.
		No, it's still going on.
		And besides that, she was not yet quite having the asthma attack, and she said she wouldn't draw it.
		Now, she can draw.
		I can't.
		I would do a lousy, lousy job.
		If I had somebody to draw what I told them to draw, I think we could do it.
		Oh, great.
		Now, I'll see what I can do about my wife, who I know is capable of doing it.
		And I would frankly be kind of interested, after all this time has passed, to see what she would draw.
		You know what I mean?
		So would I. Because it's very clear in my memory.
		It's forged in there like steel.
unidentified		I believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And let me ask you a question, if I may.
		Sure.
		You know, all this mutant frogs and all this story of mysterious clouds over the planet that you mentioned a couple weeks ago?
		Yes.
		Doesn't it kind of make sense that there just could be a widespread biological hazard, at least 10 different biological hazards that we should be concerned about very, very much right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
unidentified		I think so too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much.
		I'm not saying that's what I think it is.
		I don't know.
		The very best scientists we have on earth right now don't know.
		And I certainly don't know.
		It could be pollution-related.
		It could be a combination of pollution and ozone levels that have caused this.
		They really don't know.
		We're in touch with the very best people and right now I assure you this is and remains a complete mystery.
unidentified		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		Hey, this is an honor to be talking to you this evening, or this morning, I should say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good to have you here.
unidentified		Quick question.
		Today on the way home from work, I was listening to NPR National Public Radio, and it's a news type thing, and they were talking about NASA and something going on in Montana, some flyovers, and they were going to have some meetings today, and there was going to be some type of landing this weekend.
		It's apparently experimental aircraft.
		I was wondering if maybe you have heard anything about this or any of the other listeners out there possibly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Run this by me again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Montana.
unidentified		It's in Montana.
		I'm not sure.
		I don't know a city or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody is going to land some kind of experimental craft there?
unidentified		Yeah, NASA was going to have some town meeting type things with people so they wouldn't be going out of their mind seeing whatever was flying over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sounds like a cover story to me.
unidentified		Well, no, it was on the radio, and it didn't sound far-fetched at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but what if NASA What better cover story could you have?
unidentified		I didn't say extraterrestrial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
unidentified		They're experimental aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said that, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why could it not be a cover story?
unidentified		It'd be a great cover story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course it would.
unidentified		If any other listeners, maybe from Montana, have heard anything about this, I'd like to maybe hear it on the through your show.
		So would I. And I appreciate all the information I get from you.
		You're a great human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		Thank you.
		Great human being.
		I don't know.
		So what's going on in Montana?
		I hadn't heard about that.
		I should know about this.
		An experimental craft landing in Montana this weekend.
		Why Montana?
		Why Montana, of all places?
		And where, pray tell in Montana?
		And what would it be?
		And, as I speculated, wouldn't it make a perfect cover story?
		I mean, they're already giving us the swamp gas version before the landing takes place.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I feel like I've won the lottery here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sort of, in a way.
unidentified		This is Denise from Camino Island, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Denise.
unidentified		Hi there.
		Well, I'm a former research immunologist and talking about these mutant frogs or whatever.
		And I really think they probably know what's causing it.
		I mean, there's a list of, they're called for tetratoma or pterogens that mutate, you know, like fetal tissue and things like that.
		And there's like a whole category of these chemicals that you can take water and soil samples and pop it in a little gas chromatograph and figure out what the concentration is.
		And, you know, frogs are pretty simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think they already know?
unidentified		I think they already know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're withholding the information so we won't all freak out and go Mad Max?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
		I think they actually have, you know, probably some cargo, you know, chemical or something like that, and they don't really want to, you know, talk about it or whatever.
		And that's sort of my feeling on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something that'll make DDT seem like Kool-Aid, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		And so these type of chemicals are fairly easy to test.
		I used to do testing of drugs for cancer drugs and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what would make it all simultaneous on such a wide geographic scale?
unidentified		Well, I think a lot of times new products come out all at once and there's probably just a really big toxic buildup or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could be right.
		And then, of course, you'd be speculating, thank you, they're protecting some sort of industry or something.
		We've got a break here at Tom Gary.
unidentified		the trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		You are listening to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring coast to coast a.m. from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Night of the Living Dead.
		We were trying to think of a movie, and that's the name of it.
		It was horrible.
		Do any of you remember Night of the Living Dead?
		Are you old enough?
		I remember even the advertisements for it on the radio way back when.
		I'm talking about the original version now.
		Scared you to death.
		That was it, Night of the Living Dead.
		And I mean people came up out of their crypts, out of their graves, and they just, like zombies, began to walk and they were all in deteriorated condition, as you would imagine people would be in graves for a while, right?
		Various levels of deterioration with flaps of skin falling off them.
		And they went after the living.
		And oh, God, it was terrible.
		It was just absolutely frightening.
		Great Halloween movie.
		Maybe one of the movie channels will replay the original for Halloween.
		It's horrible.
		Anyway, East of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Wow.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Terry over at Memphis, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, let's see.
unidentified		My head kind of wants to talk about the paranormal, but my heart is just bursting to discuss last night's topic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, look, it's your head and your heart.
		You do what you want.
unidentified		No, well, I've got to follow my heart.
		All right.
		Okay.
		If what the nurse said last night is true, in fact, our people were exposed to biological weapons during the Gulf War, gosh, to me, we're facing one of the most tragic chapters in the history of modern America.
		It's sickening.
		But to me, the bottom line is I really don't care who's to blame or what the political consequences are.
		And if our troops over there were inflicted with biological agents, then the way I feel is that we either get our vets the proper treatment, their families also, or we just tear up the Constitution and take down the flag.
		Because, man, America don't exist no more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if all of this is true, then that is true.
		You are correct.
		However, it is reasonable to say that whatever exists in the hearts and the minds of those who would know and bear this kind of information, which it seems to me would be unbearable, that in the hearts and minds of Americans, America still exists.
		Millions and millions and millions of Americans.
		And that counts more than what's in the heads or hearts of politicians.
		So that'll continue America.
		But, I mean, you're right.
		If what she said is true.
unidentified		It's utterly sickening.
unidentified		Now, I have a question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It's kind of a roundabout way of a solution, but it's just something that occurred to me today.
unidentified		Whatever you think about the little crazy Texan down there, Ross Perot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ross Perrot.
unidentified		Yeah.
		He seems, he has, he has the power and the influence and the patriotic inclination to thrust this matter into the public limelight, if it's true.
		And I'll send off for her information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would indeed be right up Ross Perot's alley.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, he has dedicated himself in the past to retrieval of POWs, and he spent a lot of money on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this kind of thing would be right down his alley.
unidentified		Well, let me ask you this, Art.
unidentified		After the elections, if myself and many, many, many, I'm sure thousands of your listeners look at the information and find out it's true, yourself included, do you think there's any way that you personally, with your influence, could get Ross interest in this issue?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, well, we could perhaps save a few lives if this is the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		It's a good idea.
		It really is a good idea, and it is the kind of thing that he would take up as an issue.
		I'm certain that is true.
		It's so mind-boggling.
		And yet, let me tell you something sort of strange.
		Maybe it's not so strange.
		I don't know.
		I wonder how you feel about it.
		I'm almost getting numb.
		There is so much going on in so many arenas, so many gotchas, so many things that society seems like it's doing that are wrong.
		We're eating ourselves alive.
		Racial problems in Florida, California, ecological problems that seem absolutely insurmountable.
		Problems with regard to man doing to man, as we discussed last night.
		The political situation seems hopeless.
		And it's just, it gets to the point where you get a little bit numb about it all.
		At least for me.
		And then I always manage to reset myself.
		And as somebody said to me earlier, finally the question is, what's for dinner?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Boy, I'm surprised.
		My name is Chris.
		This first time a call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Chris.
unidentified		I'd like to ask you a question regarding Bob Beck's invention called the blood purifier and also the lymph stimulator.
unidentified		Do you know anything about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wayne Green talked all about it when he was on my program.
unidentified		Oh, really?
unidentified		So you've covered this and why do you think this is not well covered by the press in general and hardly anybody knows about it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say before it's going to get a lot of accolades, it's going to have to have clinical trials.
		And there's a lot of evidence of people saying, gee, it worked or it works.
		But there have to be scientific clinical trials to prove that it works, and then people will begin to get excited.
unidentified		But you know, it's very hard to do this without spending millions of dollars, and there is very little incentive to do that, considering the fact that Bob Beck has essentially given the plans on how to build those two units literally at home, if you're so inclined.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
unidentified		Okay, and one more word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		On Gulf War Syndrome, I've been following this story for a long time.
		I'm calling from the San Francisco Bay Area, and we have a local station that's been covering this for a long time.
		The evidence is overwhelming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The entries of either chemical or biological warfare on the president and you had knowledge that chemical and biological weapons were being used on our troops,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and you knew that, and you knew that our troops were ordered not to don the gear to protect them, could you live with that?
unidentified		Well, you know, the president then was Mr. Bush, and he is, unfortunately, I think he's forget Bush.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking you, could you live with it?
unidentified		No, personally, I could not live with it.
unidentified		And, you know, one of the main reasons why this was all covered up is that some of those weapons were sold by American presidents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would seem to be the case.
		And look, what I want from somebody out there, I know the photographs of those canisters exist.
		I was told by Joyce Riley and others that they had markings on them that would show them to be American canisters.
		Somebody out there, get me that evidence.
		I will post it.
		Do you hear me?
		I will post it on the web.
		I'm not afraid of anything.
		I'm not afraid of anybody.
		If that evidence exists, I'm glad to present it.
		So somebody out there, somewhere, get me that photographic evidence, and by God, I'll put it on the web and we'll open this up like a big can.
		All right?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Art.
		I'd like to touch on two things this morning.
		For one thing, I would like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to speak into your phone directly and speak up.
unidentified		Any better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's much better.
unidentified		Okay, I'm Jennifer from Sonora.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jennifer.
unidentified		And I thought about the, you know the green meteorite that struck?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Perhaps it had something to do with the mutations because they seem to be timed close to the same time.
		It is true.
		And then also I wanted to tell you that I had an astral projection into the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And I saw the triangular spacecraft and it had U.S. government marks on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		well what happened i was crossing a bridge and Was it Joyce?
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was your name Joyce?
unidentified		Jennifer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jennifer, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jennifer, if I was an alien and I had a secret craft that I was flying about Earth, you know what I'd put on it?
unidentified		What would you put on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		USAF.
unidentified		Yeah, well, this was in war.
		They were having war.
		They were practicing war.
		They were tanks on a frozen lake, and they were practicing war.
		There was no sound from them.
		They could move in any direction because of the shape of them.
		There was no sound whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very interesting.
unidentified		Wintertime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wintertime.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate the call, dear.
		Thank you.
		You know, if I was an alien and I had some sort of weird-looking craft and I wanted to disguise it, I'd just put USAF on the side of it.
		It would be so easy, and everybody would immediately dismiss it, right?
unidentified		Pshhh!
		Pshhh!
		Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, this is Kit from New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Kit.
unidentified		I was wondering if you got my thing about the Roswell story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What thing?
unidentified		The Glenn Dennis story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you send it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Facts or email?
unidentified		I sent it regular mail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Regular mail.
		Oh.
		I'll tell you, we have not opened mail in a few days.
unidentified		I sent it like about two weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's possible it's sitting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have this massive pile of mail we're trying to get through, and my wife has not been well, so it's kind of slowed up.
unidentified		And I had a comment about yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		One of the ways that they send out biological weapons is through rodents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be one way of doing it indeed.
		Thank you.
		That would be a way of doing it.
		Or what about insects?
		I would think that would work very well, too.
		Wildguard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art Bell.
		Actually, my interest is a little bit different, and I think this different angle.
		I'm curious to know whatever happened about the volcano in Iceland.
		Did it indeed flood?
		I mean, I didn't hear anything about it at all.
		I mean, I had kept on top of it and you mean you don't know?
		No, I didn't.
		I wondered what happened.
		Because I do actually have some friends there, and I haven't heard from them either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Iceland is under 34 feet of water, sir.
unidentified		how far out?
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of it.
unidentified		All of Iceland?
		Yeah.
		So what happened?
		I mean, Ricky took away the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would happen?
		Yeah, of course.
		34 feet under.
unidentified		Jesus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm kidding.
		Look, I have no idea.
		The volcano, as far as I know, is still going off.
		It blew its way through about 600 meters of ice, which is a bunch.
		And the ice is melting, and they are worried about severe flooding.
		And that's the last word I had.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wish I could give you more, but that's it.
unidentified		All right, well, I thought I'd bring another interesting angle, because, you know, the runes, you know, the Viking, as you know, Icelanders are very proud of their Viking heritage.
		Right.
		And so, you know, the runic letters are, you know, that's the, for a lot of people, they can use those as like mystical charms.
		You know, when I worked in a bookstore, we had like a, you know, the runic, you know, fortune telling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But I came across something very interesting in a, are you familiar with the Man, Myth, and Magic series?
unidentified		It's like 24 volumes of different numeric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have seen it, yes.
unidentified		Well, I just found this really interesting thing where this particular, during the 20s when the Germans were intensely seeking for identity, this particular person by the last name of Kummer, K-U-M-M-E-R, came up with an interesting runic yoga in which the person would...
		Yeah.
		They would twist their body into the form of a runic letter and then yodel intensely.
		And then they believed it released magical powers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really, I would think it would drive people away for miles.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Anyway, I just thought I, you know, I just wanted to throw that out into the world of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About all I know, thank you, about Iceland is that is, as you'll well recall, from all history books, where Capoon descended toward the center of the earth.
		Remember that?
		That's all I know about Iceland.
		And it was, I believe, in a volcano, was it not, that he descended.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		This is Gordon from Enumqua.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Gordon.
unidentified		I think the way that we could change things here in America is to vote third party.
unidentified		If everybody voted third party in this country, we'd send a message to Washington so fast that we were tired of the two-party system and that we could count past two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem with that is, of course, everybody has the opportunity to vote third party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem, sir, is that there is no third party that is presently projecting an ideology that is attracting enough people.
unidentified		Well, I think that's because basically they're not getting the word out enough.
		If C-SPAN, for instance, would carry the Libertarian Party, which I'm a member of, and a few of the others, let's say if they decided that they were going to do that three times a day, every day, for the last two weeks until the election, to where people would get a chance, I believe that if the American people knew that it was out there, they're smart enough.
		I believe that they can count past two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, it takes a hell of a lot more than C-SPAN.
		C-SPAN is the political junkie's place.
		But that's all.
		The average American person doesn't ever see C-SPAN, sir.
		They see NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox.
		That's what they see.
unidentified		Well, I understand that, but I still believe in Harry Brown and I believe in his message.
		I think he has the right message concerning drugs, too, because of the fact that if drugs are illegal, then the price is inflated to where it's like 25 times the amount it would normally be.
		Most people are not drug addicts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you something, sir.
		I like Harry Brown better than anybody else who's running for president right now.
		And that's quite a statement to make.
		However, I can't get next to his drug policy, and I can't get next to his open borders policy.
		Were it not for those two, I'd be voting for Harry Brown.
unidentified		Can I answer that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Back in Prohibition was the only other time where we had drive-by shootings in this country.
		You've taken something, many substances, and you've made them like gold to where now the average street bum on the street has something that he can fight the guy a couple streets over for.
		And it puts a lot of innocent people at risk.
		And as far as the borders, I believe that if we got rid of the welfare policy, just like young mothers, if they're teenage mothers, if they're having a problem with their family at home, the government says to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welfare or not, sir, we remain an economic magnet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you doubt that, do a little travel down south.
unidentified		Oh, I don't.
		But I believe in free trade, and I believe that this country was founded on it, and I believe the best way to turn around, even as far as our enemies go, if we completely open up this country with free trade and we open the borders, I do not believe, I believe that if we turn off the spigot for the handouts, that it will be okay to open up the borders.
		And if we keep free trade going, even if the rest of them are protectionists, back in 1903, Winston Churchill and Britain, they were number one as far as ex-borters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you are faithfully relaying Harry's ideology and the libertarian ideology, and I appreciate that, but I just do not agree with it in those two areas.
		Were it not for those two areas, I would be voting for Harry Brown.
		How's that?
		Those two areas.
		But they're real gotchas.
		I mean, they are non-trivial things.
		One, it is my feeling that freely available cheap drugs would ruin this nation.
		Ruin it.
		I know what crack does.
		I know what heroin does.
		Freely available, it would be a nightmare.
unidentified		Completely open borders?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A total nightmare.
		You've really got to do a little travel.
		Go to Mexico, go to some Central American, South American countries, and look at the economic deprivation that is there.
		To completely throw our borders open with the economic disparity would be an absolute disaster.
		So in those two areas, I just cannot agree.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Charlie, mad as hell liberal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you angry, Charlie?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you angry about?
unidentified		About this garbage that the Republicans are putting out about Martin Luther King, probably one of the greatest liberals who ever existed.
unidentified		Let me say that word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what have they said about Martin Luther King, Charlie?
unidentified		Liberal.
		The word is liberal.
		You got this jerk Rush Limbaugh saying that Martin Luther King wouldn't have voted for Bill Clinton had he been alive today.
		That's a bunch of crap.
		And he knows it.
		And the thing about it, it would be, there's commercial that, thank God, that these TV shows and these TV stations are not showing in the state of California that basically put down protecting individuals, black people's rights.
		But I think the whole thing of it is this.
		Let's say that the Democrats had put out a commercial using Ronald Reagan, who unfortunately is out of it right now.
		But let's say they put out a commercial where Ronald Reagan made the statement that he believes in protecting individuals' rights and that people ought to be judged as human beings.
		And they used it, they say, in a commercial that defended gays in the military and said, well, this is, you know, Ronald Reagan was for gays in the military.
		They'd be up in arms about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charlie, we're out of break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want to hold on?
unidentified		Yeah, I'll hold on.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Charlie hanging, twisting slowly in the breeze, and he will be back, as will we.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from October
		24, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from October
		Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
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		Premier Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now, rising somewhat less than gracefully from the green, slimy political sex pool, here's Charlie.
unidentified		Well, you know, unfortunately, Proposition 209, which for people who don't live in California is an attack on affirmative action, will probably pass in this state.
		But all I can say is, you know, they should not use Martin Luther King in these commercials.
		Where the hell were these conservatives in 1968 when Martin Luther King were alive?
		He had jerks like Robert Dirksen who were saying that, oh, just a guy who owns a hotel, he should be, you know, if he doesn't want to let black people into his hotel, well, he's got a right.
		There's nothing the government can do about it.
		That's where the conservatives were then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charlie?
		I've not yet seen this commercial, and you say there is a commercial running suggesting that if Martin Luther King were alive today, he would not vote for Bill Clinton.
		Is that correct?
unidentified		The commercial, well, it's his I Have a Dream speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what does he say?
unidentified		I have a dream speech, and then they make the conclusion that, well, therefore, you know, you shouldn't use affirmative action because that's racist against white people, which it's not.
unidentified		But, you know, it goes to show you how low and despicable and disgusting the conservative extremists get with their stupid commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		aren't aren't quotas uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		equally on the other side as disgusting and disruptive socially well i think the thing of that unfortunately the thing is I mean, answer that.
unidentified		No, they're not, because unfortunately, we still live in a racist society.
		And either a society is racist or it's not.
		And ours is still racist.
		It's not as racist as it was, obviously, in 1965.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that might be debatable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't look at St. Petersburg this morning.
unidentified		But certainly.
		And there's a black lady out with a book where she owned one of those office supplies companies.
		And she had to actually get a white guy to go around to different companies to get them to loan her money.
		It goes to show you that there are still there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there is still racism.
		All right.
		Thank you, Charlie.
		There is still racism.
		There is Absolutely no question about it.
		But there are people on both sides of the political spectrum using that, that horrible, mutilated, mutated human condition for their own political purposes, both from the right and from the left.
		Charlie, first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice, gone.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing all right.
unidentified		John from Juneau.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		And how you doing?
		All right.
		First, I wanted to commend you on the show with the bishop or whatever, the Catholic guy doing the exercise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was a priest, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, that was a great show.
		I thought any guests you've had on in about the year that I've been listening, he was the most on the money for the questions that you asked him.
		But anyways, my question was, I called before one time and I got the Gabriel's horn on me before he had to finish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And what it was, is I was wondering if sometime you'd have somebody on to talk about Bible prophecy.
unidentified		And the person I would recommend is Irving Baxter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who was that, sir?
unidentified		Irving Baxter.
		He's the editor for N Times Magazine.
		I was wondering if I could get your, if I got your address, I could send you a copy of the magazine.
		And then if you wanted to, you could follow the lead in an interview.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a pencil?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell, P.O. Box 4755 in Perump.
		Not to laugh, please.
		It's no funnier than Juno.
		P-A-H-R-U-M-P.
		Perump, Nevada.
		A zip code 89041-4755.
		And we are as dry as Juno is wet.
unidentified		Yeah, we're real, it's been raining lots here lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been dry here lots lately.
unidentified		Yeah, I can imagine.
		Yeah, well, anyways, I think that would be a great show if you did that, because there's lots of more stuff going on than I think mankind has ever seen in terms of...
		Oh, yeah, definitely.
		And can't believe it got on right after Charlie Liberal.
		Wow.
		How did that guy get on so often?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called dialing and dialing and dialing and dialing and having a nice bank of government phones with which to dial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remember, when you hear Charlie, those are your taxpayer dollars at work.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, Art.
		Well, thanks a lot.
		Appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care, sir.
		First caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am reasonably well.
unidentified		That's good.
unidentified		I'm up in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where in Canada are you?
unidentified		In Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vancouver.
unidentified		All right.
		I discovered you by accident, and a couple weeks ago, I've been listening ever since.
		And I was just wondering if you had ever heard of a man named Robert Eisenham and his work in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but I would like to talk to somebody about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
unidentified		This guy's got some pretty interesting theories about the relationship between the Scrolls and early Christianity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does one get hold of this?
unidentified		I believe he is a professor.
unidentified		I think he's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		He's a professor at a University of California, and the name switched my mind.
		But his name is Robert Eisenman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure somebody will send me a fax and let me know how to get a hold of him.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thanks, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And listen, everybody, you've got to remember, the telephone transmitter on your telephone is not meant to go on your chin.
		That's what people do.
		They get it way down there, and then, you know, you just can't hear what's going on.
		It's like if I put my mic, there's my mic on my chin now.
		Doesn't that sound awful?
		If I bring it back up here, why you can hear what I'm saying, correct?
		There you are.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Arto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm Tracy calling from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tracy.
unidentified		How are you doing this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm all right.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, boy, I've got to tell you, I've been listening to you for about a month now, and you have some great stuff on the air.
		And I really appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm always amazed.
		We've been on the air for years in Seattle, Tracy, and yet we still get new listeners like you all the time.
		It is amazing.
unidentified		Well, I just, you know, heard about you through the grapevine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The grapevine.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The last caller said it was by accident, and for you, it was the grapevine, huh?
		Yes.
		All right.
unidentified		Yes, you were recommended.
unidentified		You come highly recommended, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's nice.
unidentified		I have a couple of questions for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		First of all, do these changes at Giza relate to arts parts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think so.
		I don't know.
		I mean, Richard Hoagland will not tell me what he's going to talk about, so I don't know.
unidentified		Okay, and I haven't caught everything that you have talked about in terms of arts parts, and I'm really curious if he could maybe give me some quick and dirty information on what they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are, allegedly, from a crash at Roswell.
		Or at Socorro.
		Actually, we know where, but we haven't said yet.
		In that area, let's put it that way.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are made of bismuth and magnesium with trace amounts of zinc.
		Nobody in the U.S. is able to make it, duplicate it, knows how it was made, or anything else.
		And we have talked to every major lab, every scientist doing work in the field.
		We have begun testing.
		We've done testing at Carnegie, Redstone, and it's anomalous.
		Right now, it's a great big question mark.
		We don't know what they are.
		Period.
unidentified		Do you know anything about how they're supposed to function or what their purpose is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're beginning to, we believe their purpose May be as anti-gravitic material, anti-gravity.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are performing some tests now to try and prove exactly that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's where we are.
unidentified		Okay, now, let me ask you this: does this anti-gravity have a magnetic source or a magnetic base to it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anti-gravity by its very nature would have to shield or defy or repulse the effects of gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To have anti-gravity, you must either shield gravity if it is a pulling force, or in some way reverse its effects, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, that's one theory, I guess.
		What about the fact that the Earth itself produces magnetic polarity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, what about it?
unidentified		Well, I'm wondering if that might have an effect or might be malleable in some way that we just haven't discovered yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
		Could be.
		I'm not a scientist here.
		I'm just a talk show host.
unidentified		Well, I'm not a scientist either.
		I'm just curious.
		Also, I've got another question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a computer?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		God, I wish I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's too bad, because the latest reports and latest testing is always up on my webpage.
unidentified		Oh, so you do have stuff on your webpage now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, I've got a friend that I will get into contact with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's www.artbell.com.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got that written down.
		Okay, good.
		One more question for you, if you don't mind.
		Go ahead.
		Well, a couple things, actually.
		Have you thought about having reverse speech done on some of the things that Major Ed Dames has told you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's public domain stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Ed Dames' interviews have gone for hours and hours and hours on this program, so you could get a tape and do it easily.
unidentified		Right.
		I'm not sure how I would set up the tape recorder, though.
		I was wondering if you had, what's the gentleman's name who studies the reverse speech?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Have you thought about maybe having him analyze some of that speech just to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he doesn't work for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be glad to suggest it.
unidentified		Pass that along if you wouldn't mind.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else?
unidentified		Yeah, actually, I've got one other thing about the frog.
		Oh, yes.
		This is really weird, and you may or may not believe this, but I've actually been predicting that for some time as there's a group of us here that actually are pretty in tune with the nature of things, and we've been seeing that coming, and this is just the beginning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate the words.
		And in fact, if you go back and look at the March 30th program that I did with Ed Dames, I mean, this is to his credit.
		You will hear him say that we have severe problems with the ozone, with the environment, and you will hear him say that you will begin to see first gross mutations of frogs, and then finally, human babies will begin to die.
		He said that on March 30th, before the frog story broke.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		This is Sandy.
		I'm from Santa Clara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Sandy.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Oh, no, I'm nervous.
		I didn't think I'd ever get through.
		First, I want to say I love your show.
		Thank you.
		And I'm really blown away, too, about Major Game.
		It's really been on my mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of what he said has been said by others, not as specific as to the details, but has been said by others, you know, coming in the short term, including the Catholic priest we had on, an incredible man named Malachi Martin.
		And it just stopped me cold, interviewing Malachi and hearing him say some of what he said, and he had no way of hearing my previous guests.
		It just sent chills down my spine.
		And I didn't even bother stopping and calling attention to it when it occurred.
		It freaked me out so badly, I just let it go, and I knew the audience was feeling what I was feeling.
unidentified		Well, I missed that one.
		I only caught part of it.
		You're not too religious, though.
		I wasn't sure what that was.
		I didn't think you kind of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Malachi Martin is a spokesman for the Vatican, way inside the Vatican, has advised several popes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you should have listened to it, dear, because he said just about exactly what Ed Dame said.
unidentified		Wow.
		Now, is Hoagland, is he the other remote viewer?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Richard Hoagland was an advisor to NASA, worked for Walter Cronkite as his science advisor, and will be here tomorrow night.
unidentified		I know.
		I'm looking forward to it.
		Who is the other remote viewer that...
		Yes, he's coming.
		I'm going to go see him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's coming to your area?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
		All right.
		Well, listen, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, and good luck with Courtney.
		We'll have him back on, too.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All right, Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		I'd like to ask you a couple questions.
unidentified		First of all, I want to say that I really enjoy your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Everybody's got questions.
		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I believe it was back in June.
		There was a man talking about the Philadelphia experiment, and he was planning to prove it to a group of individuals.
		And I'm not sure exactly who it was or what all that entailed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I was on vacation in Russia, they replayed a program by Al Bielik.
		Could that have been it?
		Turn your radio on, sir.
		Good.
		Could that have been it?
unidentified		It was before you went to Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		I vaguely recall having another guest on the Philadelphia experiment.
		Yes, I do recall, but I'm sorry, not the specifics.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Take care.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tomorrow night, Richard C. Hoagland.
		And as I told the earlier audience, he won't tell me what he wants to talk about.
		He's keeping it very close to the best.
		And I said, but Richard, and he said, look, it'll just make you ask very good questions.
		So that's what I'm left with, and that's your tease and mine for whatever it's going to be tomorrow night.
		First time overline, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Adrian.
unidentified		I'm in Memphis, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just had a comment.
unidentified		I listened to your show last night with Joyce Riley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And as I was listening, she said something about the disease could possibly be airborne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Or maybe it could be in the water supply.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		Now, I'm not sure, but I believe I heard her say a few minutes after that that they see similar results to this type of disease in animals, that their back legs become very weak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct again.
unidentified		Well, as soon as I heard that, it popped in my head that perhaps this disease that's going airborne in the water supply, frogs being an indicator species, it's gotten into the frogs.
		Their back legs are becoming weak.
		Therefore, they've mutated, and that's why they're growing four and five legs now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not bad, sir.
		It's as good a theory as anybody's.
		Right now, nobody knows what is doing it.
		So it's as good a theory as any.
unidentified		I figured I'd just run that by you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good critical linear thinking, and I appreciate it.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
unidentified		I just want to let you know I enjoy your show, and I've been trying forever to get through to you, and I'm glad I finally did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you did, too.
		Thank you.
		That's good thinking.
		It's not out of line.
		It is as good as anybody's theory.
		If what Joyce Riley said last night is accurate, then there is every reason to believe that it could be the causative agent.
		With regard to the frog mutations, it certainly could be.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Artville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing just spiffy.
unidentified		Well, I got to tell you something.
unidentified		I got a kitty cat that sits on my lap or lays by me when you're on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And your cat call doesn't do a thing to her.
		Really?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your cat is immune?
unidentified		I guess.
		But when you do that there, Bigfoot...
		I had to go to the doctor the last time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		She laughed, scratch barks over my arm.
		I kind of had half-dozed off, I guess.
		And that came on and she laughed.
		I hurt all over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really shouldn't laugh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but now my cats have become immune to this cat sound.
unidentified		Oh, this thing's different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They finally become immune to it.
		But when I first played this cat sound, I'm telling you, this house went nuts.
		There were cats running all over the place.
		They were looking for this cat that had obviously been wounded mortally.
		They were certain of it.
unidentified		Couldn't find it, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so cats, you know, they react differently.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		Like this cat, we got her when she was about a year old.
		Somebody just dumped her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And we felt sorry.
		And we took her in.
		But we couldn't get her to come when you called kitty, kitty, kitty.
		She won't even look at you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A comet won't do that either.
unidentified		You got to whistle like you're whistling for a dog.
		And she looks right to you.
		Really?
		My husband says, where'd Cat?
		I says, you found her, honey, not me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does she fetch, I mean, if you throw a stick?
unidentified		Oh, she'll...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they love fur things.
unidentified		They drag that thing everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like a dog.
		They love fur things, I know.
		Listen, Anna, I've got to go.
		I've got news here at the top of the hour.
unidentified		Well, keep up the good work, and I got a that boy that said he talked to himself.
		Yep.
		I bet Mama pulled a good one on him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll see you.
unidentified		Yep.
		Yep.
		Bye-bye.
		I told you that I love you.
		You dirty and sweet, I'll miss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Watch your cats, everybody.
		I'm telling you.
		Look out.
		We will return.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Get it on.
		Get it on.
		And the dog.
		Get it on.
		When you build that thing called, you got a ho.
		Camp Diamond Star Halo.
		You feel like a cut out.
		I want to love you.
		Feel you.
		Wrap myself around you.
		I want to squeeze you.
		Please you know I just can't get enough.
		And if you could, will you so?
		I'll let it go.
		I'm so excited.
		I just can't hide it.
		I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.
		I'm so excited.
		And I just can't hide it.
		I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
		I want you.
		I want you.
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Music Somewhere in Time, with Art Bell, continues.
		Courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember at the beginning of the show when I told you you've got to be careful about these reports of situations that are fluid and underway?
		I'm referring now to what occurred in St. Petersburg.
		I can't even tell you this is the straight stuff, but I've got a story from this morning's Tampa Tribune in front of me, and I'll read it to you or some of it.
		St. Petersburg.
		A police shooting sparked a violent outburst on the city's south side Thursday night with hundreds of people rioting, looting, torching cars and stores, hurling Molotov cocktails, firing guns, and attacking police and journalists.
		The frenzy erupted when some people in the predominantly black area learned that a white police officer had shot a black motorist at the corner of 16th Street and 18th Avenue South.
		Details of the shooting were sketchy, but early today, police confirmed late Thursday that the 18-year-old motorist died en route to the hospital.
		Police have not released his name.
		Police said the suspect's car was traveling east on 18th Avenue at more than 70 miles per hour when police pulled it over near the intersection at about 4.40 p.m.
		A witness said after the car was stopped, the suspect put his hands up.
		The car was still in gear and the man's foot was on the brake.
		Police ordered the man out of the car.
		As the man opened the door and began to get out, it began moving toward the officer.
		The officer shot the suspect three times, said the witness, an 18-year-old woman who was in a car behind the suspects.
		The woman did not give her name.
		She said a woman passenger in the suspect's car was not injured.
		The White House expressed immediate concern about the riot.
		Quote, said Mike McCurry, we're making inquiries of local officials for an assessment of the situation.
		Police identified the police officer who shot the man as Jim Knight.
		He shot the suspect several times.
		By 11.30, fires were popping up at several locations in South St. Petersburg, with a community resource center at 15th Avenue and 4th Street South and a nearby post office reportedly destroyed.
		Rioting then mushroomed to surrounding neighborhoods and police set up a command center near Tropicana Field.
		So, I guess I can see both sides of this.
		And to me, it looks like a tragedy.
		In other words, to the observer, to the casual observer on the sidewalk or behind the vehicle, it probably looked like the police assassinated this guy.
		Wouldn't you say?
		However, to the policeman, and I still question why a policeman would be in front of a stopped vehicle in a traffic stop, to that cop, I'm sure it looked like attempted murder.
		Vehicular homicide, it's called.
		To him, it looked that way, and he was protecting his life, he thought.
		But this is obviously not going to go down easily, and on the face of it, you can understand why there was a riot.
		It looked like an assassination.
		If it came down, as described here, I'm sure to the casual observer, it looked like an assassination.
		So now we know a little more.
		Maybe.
		But even this, you know, who knows?
		We've got to wait.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Phil in Downey, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Phil.
unidentified		I just want to make a comment about Charlie.
unidentified		I wonder how Charlie would have felt if his little tushy job there was taken by someone else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Everybody would feel the same way, probably.
		Angry.
unidentified		Yeah, because of the erase.
		Also, if you were to run a recording of his conversations with you backwards, some of the stuff would probably come out something like this.
		Next break, hurry.
		Need new cushion for chair.
		When is next raise?
		When is quitting time almost here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love working for the taxpayer.
unidentified		If Dole gets in, we'll have to work harder.
		Well, I hope your wife is doing well.
		I'm an asthmatic myself.
		I've lived with it all my life, but she'll make it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She'll make it, sir.
		Thank you.
		She's going through real hell right now.
		And it kind of comes and goes.
		It's really bad for a while, and then we think it's getting better, and then the attack comes back.
		And it's just horrible.
		Horrible.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air high.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's me, all right.
unidentified		I'm a truck, however, I listen to your show every night.
		I hope the reception is based here.
		Great show.
		Every time I listen to Ed Daines, I get worried about things, and then he starts talking about remote viewing.
		People on Mars or things on Mars, and I discount everything.
		But then this thing with the biological stuff and the deformed babies and what have you, it's really scary.
		And the guy had, I think, the right idea with the frogs, too, that that could possibly be that airborne, that the stuff got airborne, and it's doing that to them.
		it was a reasonable scenario about this right in fact i'm not a racist or anything like that i live in tennessee it's just like the right after the old jay thing i mean these people or and i'm not saying black or white these people have nothing to do you know everything's provided for them and they
		just, you know, anything to spark, Anything to give them a reason to believe the young people in the government, everything there that they need, then they just get a reason to think about what they're going to do, they don't deserve, or what they're going to do to get the things they want that they can't have.
		You know, and here's a chance, okay, here's a good reason to go loot, rob, and burn.
		You know, let's just go wreak havoc on the town.
		We ain't got nothing better to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		We'll hold it there.
		I think right now, based on what I've read, I see both sides of this.
		And I'll tell you something, there is racism.
		It's real.
		And if I had been there and I had seen this, maybe I would have rioted.
		To the casual observer, if this came down the way it reads, it looked like this man who had his hands in the air was assassinated.
		I'm sure it looked that way.
		In fact, I also understand why the cop shot.
		The only part of this I don't understand is what the cop was doing in front of the car.
		When you do a traffic stop, there's a certain protocol you follow, and as far as I know, it does not include going into the front of the car before the person is out.
		So I'm reserving judgment on all of this.
		On the other hand, for whatever reason, if the cop was in front of the car and he thought that guy was trying to run him over, that is attempted murder.
		And he is justified in drawing his gun and shooting, using fatal force against fatal force.
		So I see both sides of this, frankly.
		It never justifies the wider rioting.
		That is to say, the let's go join the crowd and get a free color TV or whatever.
		But so far as I read this situation, I understand both sides.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Jack here, another libertarian who's not going to let you off the hook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sir, my life is not dependent on whether or not you let me off the hook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to do what my conscience dictates, as I'm sure you are.
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what.
unidentified		I don't believe that white-collar criminals should get off the hook and should be without jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, me either.
unidentified		Okay.
		And I don't believe in everything that the Libertarian Party dictates.
		Get over your hang-up on drugs.
		Get over your hang-up on immigrants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, don't tell me what to do.
unidentified		I'm not trying to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, you are.
unidentified		All right.
		The Libertarian Party stands for freedom.
		It stands for liberty.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, you can be proud and happy when you go and vote for it.
unidentified		Oh.
unidentified		Vote for Brown for president, dude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
unidentified		We're the wave of the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll find out on election day how much of a wave of the future you are.
		We'll be able to carefully tally up the votes cast for all the various parties and know who is the wave of the future and who is the wave of the present.
		And I don't need anybody to put me on or take me off the hook.
		I will vote as my conscience dictates.
		and I assume, particularly as a libertarian, you will do the very same.
unidentified		Painful Screams
unidentified		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		This is Chris from New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		I'm all right.
		How are you?
		Fine.
		The first thing I wanted to tell you is I have a comment for you about how your wife's sick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And she has asthma, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Terrible, yes.
unidentified		My girlfriend's father, he lived in Los Alamos when they were developing the A-bomb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he has asthma really bad.
unidentified		And back in the 40s, they told him to drink kerosene to fix it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, I swear.
		It doesn't sound like a brilliant idea to me, but I thought it was just pretty dumb, but I thought you could tell her that just to say, hey, back in the 40s, they made you drink kerosene for asthma.
		And then my other thing was, what was the answer to the riddle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		You don't know?
unidentified		He didn't tell you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he just gave the riddle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I made my guess and wasn't right, and so that's it.
unidentified		And then about the frogs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Maybe it has something to do with pesticide that they're eating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might, but that would be a pretty local problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could they begin eating these pesticides in so many places in the world at once?
unidentified		Maybe there's a new pesticide that came out, and all the different countries use it in all their different agricultures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All at once.
unidentified		Yeah, all at once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite a coincidence.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we missed you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yay for Ert Bell.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Mary in Santa Barbara, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yay for Mary.
unidentified		I have no questions, no complaints.
		I have a short poem.
		It's called Ode to Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		It's good.
		It's good.
		Are you ready?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if I don't like it, I'm blowing you out of here like a bad bell.
unidentified		That's fine.
		You know how when you were a little kid, you would write your letters of your name vertically, and then you'd give a good word for each letter?
		So we're going to put Art Bell vertically.
		Do that in your head, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can do better than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can do it on paper.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		Okay, I'm ready when you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go.
unidentified		Okay.
		A is for adventure, which he gives us every night.
		R is for righteous.
		He'll never give up the fight.
		T is for tenacious, which he certainly is.
		B is for dutifully, the only way to live.
		E is for evolvement, which art contributes to.
		L is for likable.
		Oh yes, he is too.
		And finally, the last L is for love, which is what this planet direly needs.
		Let the world hear Mr. Art Bell to begin to plant the seeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yay, Mary!
unidentified		I'm the one who told you that my sister met Shannon Doherty, and she uses Ralph Lorenz sheets about a year ago.
		So just wanted to say hello, and I love your show, and I found you by accident, and you've kept me just in high spirits.
		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Take care.
		My sister met Shannon Dougherty.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, is this Arbelle?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yes, it is.
unidentified		Oh, this is just terrific.
unidentified		I've always wanted to give you a call, and this is just the first time I've tried.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Right in there.
unidentified		I'm calling from Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage, way up north.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, this is Nate.
		And I just wanted to put my two cents in on the whole thing going down in Florida.
		Okay.
		I was actually just watching a little up-to-the-minute news on TV, and I saw a little scenario, and it looked pretty bad.
		I saw the cop car, you were asking about how the guy got in front of the car itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it looked as if there were like three cars or a couple cars surrounding the car.
unidentified		So that's probably how somebody got in front of the car because they had to pull in front to stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still think it is poor form for a human being to stand in front of a stopped vehicle while the driver is still in it.
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
		I definitely agree with you there.
		But it's just terrible.
		I mean, like you, I guess I can see both sides where, you know, one side, the police officer is trying to protect himself, though, I mean, shooting and killing somebody is pretty serious?
		It's pretty serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, running over somebody and killing them is serious, too.
		And if that's what the cop thought was happening, then I understand why he did what he did.
		But to the person watching from the sidewalk, it probably looked like an assassination.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Hence the riots.
		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hence the riots, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, hey, I guess, I mean, didn't have much to say.
		I think I should have thought a little bit longer before I gave you the call because here I am and not a word to say.
		So I really enjoy your show, and I'll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did very well, sir.
unidentified		Great, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Yeah, I think an awful lot of people were, including an earlier caller to my show, were ready to jump out on this much too soon.
		And I've dealt now with these kinds of stories long enough to know the early reports almost inevitably are wrong.
		And I wouldn't even put my money on this one.
		We will know eventually, but it will take a careful, honest investigation to make that determination.
		In the meantime, hopefully at this point, cooler heads will begin to prevail on both sides, and a search for the truth will actually begin.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, this is Rob in St. Paul.
		Hi.
		Two things.
		First off, I live here in St. Paul, Minneapolis, and I have not heard a word about mutated frogs.
		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're all around you, sir.
unidentified		Well, with all the liberals and earth lovers up here, I'd expect people to be pounding doors down and hear nothing about it.
unidentified		I hear everything about every other thing, environmental, but there hasn't been a word about mutated frogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how about if you go outside and just listen?
		Do you hear frogs?
		Mutated or uncle?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, I live right near the Mississippi, and when I walk my dog at night, I hear plenty of frogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what a mutated frog sounds like.
unidentified		Probably pretty sick.
		Probably pretty sick.
		Well, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they are there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry to say it is.
unidentified		I would believe you.
		You wouldn't doubt me.
		This place is so weird.
		Now, with the deal in Florida, I understand that a cop took somebody's life and that's not good.
		But I wonder why people don't get this upset when they shoot each other and they don't have the authority to protect themselves with a gun when they're on a job.
		I mean, the cop had the job where he's out there protecting us every day, eight hours a day, to provide food for his family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that doesn't give anybody the right to assassination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not saying that it was, but it very well may have looked that way.
unidentified		No, but what I am saying is that if everybody would get this upset about shooting each other, I'm saying if it would have been another black guy on the street, and I don't want to make this a black-white thing, if it was just another guy on the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I hear what I'm saying.
unidentified		There wouldn't have been a riot.
		Somebody probably would have gotten arrested or somebody would have gotten away with the crime for a while or whatever it would have been.
		And the second thing I'd like to ask you about is about Ross Perot.
		I have not been able to hear anything on the news.
		I just lost my cable.
		My TV blew up.
		But what is the deal with Bob Dole asking Ross Perot to drop out of the race?
		Was that the thing he was asking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the deal.
		He sent his campaign manager down there.
		He is probably at this point desperate.
		Or even if he isn't, it makes it look that way and wanted Ross Perot to drop out and endorse him.
		And Ross Perot basically said, nuts.
		No.
unidentified		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not for Bob Dole, it is.
unidentified		Well, no, it's not for Bob Dole, and it's too bad that we're going to have to deal with Bill Clinton for another four years and then maybe even Al Gore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Not a lot of time.
		Well, as a matter of fact, I would do somebody a terrible disservice by trying to get them on the air right now, so I'm not going to do that.
		I will simply break here at the bottom of the hour, and we'll be right back.
		Riots, as you know, in St. Petersburg, and what appears to me right now to be a very tragic situation.
		So hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.
		And now that the heat is gone, the thinking and the investigation will begin.
		So we're talking about that and many more things, whatever the case is.
		We'll be back in one moment and do more of it.
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		Morning, everybody, and welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody out there have any idea what kind of sound a mutated frog would make?
unidentified		Wouldn't be...
unidentified		Ribbit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anybody want to give it a shot?
unidentified		The heart is on fire My soul's like a wheel that's turning My soul's like a wheel that's turning Anyway, we'll get underway in a moment.
		Bye.
		Bye.
		you Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Why don't we sometime have a program where we go down those paths in ideas and thoughts and talk instead of just shutting the door, you know, the drugs and the borders thing about Harry Brown?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but see, dear, I like everything else about Harry Brown.
		So what else do you want to talk about?
		I would vote for the guy if it weren't for those two very important critical items.
unidentified		Maybe you could have him on again and we could just talk about those two, you know, more in depth.
unidentified		Well, you've heard of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you have heard the callers.
		They are accurately portraying his position on those things.
		His position is that the crime would stop if we legalized drugs.
		His position is that we would not have an inrush of illegal or it wouldn't be illegal legal people coming to America if we just did away with welfare as a magnet.
		Well, there's a lot more magnetism in America than just welfare.
unidentified		But I don't I think he has a little bit more to say than well that's what he said when that's what he said when he's been on the air.
		Oh yeah, I know.
		But I mean I think that maybe just saying that this and this is what would happen, I think that you should have him back on to talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, next time he's on, we'll talk about it.
unidentified		All right, great.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		However, I well know those to be his positions.
		As a matter of fact, we had him on in a debate most recently, which I believe we did repeat, didn't we?
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Raphael from Beggarfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, talking about evolution.
		In the science community, evolution always considered more than just a theory.
		Evolution is a fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		now they could be a re that was the area of the ocean to explain the fact Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm a scientist.
		I have a PhD in biochemistry.
		Evolution is a fact.
		Now there's the theory of evolution, there is theory of evolution, that may be 40.
		Because of the discussion in the scientific community about may be 40, then the Christian take it like the whole thing is 40.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of times, sir, when Christians, thank you, have called here, they have been incredibly upset.
		Incredibly upset.
		When you have suggested to them that evolution or the Darwin business is the way it all occurred, they just get beside themselves.
		And so for the Pope to say this, I think, is absolutely amazing.
		And the Pope said, quote, evolution is more than just a theory, end quote.
		It's a very radical statement.
		And one lady called here and made reference to a disease that he had, as if to suggest that's a reason he would say something like this.
		And that tells you the level of distress that this statement has produced.
		Wildguard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Mr. Bell.
		Hello.
		Several weeks ago, I was listening to the program, and there was a report of a large egg or something that had been found up in the north Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		And I never heard anything more about it, and I was just kind of curious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It hatched.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		What was it or anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tryanosaurus rex.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ravaged a lot of this north-central part of the country.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the whole thing was a put-on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some radio station up there got the cooperation of a museum in putting together a hoax for a promotion.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the whole thing was baloney.
unidentified		Okay, well, I kind of thought it was, but I just was curious about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you know.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		God, I love to tell people that stuff.
		You know what really gets me is that they believe it.
		Yeah, Iceland's now under 34 feet of water.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They just believe it.
		Source Rex hatched.
		A first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Hey, I'm ashamed to say this is the first time I've ever listened to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		And here I am in Las Vegas, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not very far from where I am, actually.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, I work in the same building as your radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yes.
		I'm a little bit jealous, but I'm up that path.
		I'm a whole historic questions.
		All right.
		Let's get back to this frog thing for one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And the person that called earlier said perhaps this green meteor was responsible for the frogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he said, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what he said, but I believe that the frog phenomenon antedated the green meteor by many months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did?
unidentified		Didn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not that I'm aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		yes and the fraudster They have?
unidentified		Haven't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to my knowledge.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just began.
unidentified		Sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, sir.
unidentified		Sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you pause for a sec?
unidentified		Excuse me, I can barely hear you.
unidentified		I have to turn my radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you pause for a moment?
unidentified		I'd be happy to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I began getting the mutated frog stories about two or three weeks ago.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, I've been hearing stories about amphibians dying off for unexplained reasons for at least a year or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that's true.
unidentified		Having you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But not mutated.
unidentified		Well, no, but I mean, which do you think is the more serious phenomenon?
unidentified		Extinction or mutation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say both are serious if it's you.
unidentified		Probably unrelated.
unidentified		Or perhaps not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps not.
unidentified		But I'm surprised that none of your callers have mentioned.
		I mean, I don't really study the phenomenon, but I watch CNN headline news fairly frequently.
		and for the past three or four days they've had a court expert on that has ascribed the phenomenon to the presence of a parasite that has actually been...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you hear me?
unidentified		I can barely hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you pause again for a second, please?
		All right.
		If you look at more recent stories, you will find that the top scientists in the field are saying the parasite was a good shot, but does not account for what's going on.
unidentified		Okay, I heard you say that.
		And I was wondering what the basis of these scientists are, because it's easy to say, well, I'm trying to speculate that.
		And I have an open mind on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the article that I've got in front of me, if you can hear me, is by the Associated Press.
		It's entitled Scientists Skeptical About Parasites in Deformed Frogs.
		Minnesota scientists studying malformed frogs here and in several other states are skeptical of reports from a California researcher that a snake-dwelling parasite is causing the deformities.
		Mark Gernes, a biologist with the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency, said Tuesday that parasites may be one factor, but there might be a lot more than one cause of the bizarre abnormalities that have been showing up since last year.
		So they're kind of ruling that out as the primary cause of whatever it is doing this.
unidentified		What's your good feeling about this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't really have one, but I would say it may even be a combination of things.
		It may be chemicals.
		It may be lowered ozone, higher radiation levels.
		I don't know.
		What's yours?
unidentified		I'm exactly with you.
		I don't know.
		I'm not sure that it's knowable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, most things are knowable given enough time and good science.
unidentified		Really?
		Like religion?
		Well, when I leave for work every day and I scratch my cat on the head, do you think you have any concept of where I go and what I do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's recent research to indicate that the answer to that is yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, but your cat is smarter than you are, and your cat and or your dog know when you're coming home.
unidentified		Yes, but do you think my cat has any concept of who and what he is and who and what I am and where I go and what I do when I go to work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about your cat.
		I don't know about your cat.
		But my cat does.
unidentified		Okay, well, do you think your cat understands now that you're on a thousand radio stations addressing a million people?
unidentified		Or do you think your cat's afraid of the cat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he does, then he can't count because the present count is just coming up on 300.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, do you think your cat has in a concept that you're broadcasting or you're just sitting at a desk talking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would have no idea what my cat thinks about it.
unidentified		Is it possible that your cat would have a concept of what you do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't pretend to know what's in a cat's mind.
unidentified		I think it's normal for a cat to know this.
		I mean, I'm trying to extrapolate by that.
		Do you think it's possible for human beings On this planet, to really know the reality of universal existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get to universal existence?
unidentified		Well, okay, to my cat, I'm God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know?
unidentified		Because he depends on me totally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's the case, then how come he doesn't call when you call come when you call him?
unidentified		He's not buggled down by these physical metaphors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may not be God.
unidentified		Well, some things are not knowable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, some things are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'll tell you something.
unidentified		I don't think it's possible for us to really know anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, let me put it to you this way.
		I don't know where this discussion is going, but I have one other thing.
		Well, wait, sir.
		Would you please wait?
		Sure.
		I think that since these frogs are dying and are mutated, and we've got similar problems with birds, if we're smart, we will continue to investigate and try and find out why before we become as the frogs.
		Would that seem like a good idea to you?
unidentified		Oh, that would be the ultimate good idea.
		But I would caution everybody to what do you think you think this green meteor has anything to do with the frog losing legs?
		I hear some of these callers, and well, see, that's the difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On my program, as opposed to yours, I don't know when you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very tolerant.
unidentified		You play records.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I allow people.
		You play records.
		I allow people to say what they want to say.
unidentified		I respect that, and I envy you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead of playing records, you mean?
unidentified		Well, there's two different things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say hard.
unidentified		I got one other thing, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go.
unidentified		Forget the frogs.
		Forget Jesus.
		Forget the prostate Graham serum that you sell.
		What would you do about America's drug problem if you were its president?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would I do about America's drug problem?
unidentified		It was up to you.
		What would you do?
		I've been listening to people talk to you, and you'd say, well, I agree with the libertarians, except, you know, for the drug sake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the open borders.
unidentified		And the open borders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		So what would I do?
		I guess I would begin by enforcing our borders, if necessary, putting the military on our borders so we can know exactly who is coming and going.
		What would you do?
unidentified		Before I answer that, do you have answered my question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		I was talking about drugs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so was I. How do you think drugs get here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you think drugs for the most part?
unidentified		They're going across the borders because there's a demand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And anything you do...
		It won't stop the demand.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure as hell could cut it down.
		I could cut down the supply.
		Well, you couldn't cut down the demand, and there are people that instead of being able to do, and I told you.
		I told you what I would do.
		Now, what would you do?
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, what would you do?
unidentified		I'm thinking.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thanks.
unidentified		It's unknowable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, unknowable.
		Well, your answer to a lot of things you don't know is that it is unknowable.
		And with that course, no doubt something is going to shortly crash into our planet because it was unknowable that it was headed toward us.
		Oh, my.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Art.
unidentified		Raleigh, calling from near Windsor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be Windsor, Ontario?
unidentified		No, California.
unidentified		Oh, Windsor, Center, KSRO country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Anyway, on the frogs, one thing that dawns on me is that those mutations, those, what is the gestation period of a frog?
		How long have they been in an egg and tadpole stage?
		This would have to be something that happened back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is I don't know.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Also, you were talking about how would a mutated frog sound?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How about jam beer?
		Let's just basically rive it backwards.
		Jamier?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I hear frogs sounding like that, I'm gone.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, take care.
		Anybody else want to give us a mutated frog sound?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello, you're on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Geez, I want to turn off the radio.
		Yes, do that.
		Can you summarize what's up with Mad Mad Markham?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you didn't hear?
unidentified		I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going like a French fry.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		What happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dust.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dust to dust.
unidentified		What, a device or Madman Markham?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Madman Markham.
unidentified		What do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, doesn't that have meaning to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		That means he's dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not necessarily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has moved on to the next dimension.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Are you serious?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's nothing but a pile of dust on the floor.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We scooped it up, put it in a coffee can, and we're going to have a service.
		No, he hasn't done it yet.
		I don't know.
		I haven't heard from him.
		I've been trying to contact him.
		I can't find him.
unidentified		On a totally different subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		Try something else.
		Let's hear that.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I was asking my psycho-ex-girlfriend why your psycho-ex-girlfriend, number two, why people or women her age weren't supporting Dole.
		And her answer was abortion.
		His stand on abortion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Wouldn't hell out of me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, then, you've got to wonder then why so many women supported Ronald Reagan, who had a very similar stand on abortion.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I don't know if it's just an excuse, but there's some, I mean, there's a difference there.
		I mean, there's a huge difference in the support, male to female, for Dole versus Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They call it the gender gap.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it they they they talk about abortion, but the real truth may be that they just don't like Bob Dole's face.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that'd be a really, you know, so I'll tell you what, go back and ask your psychologically challenged girlfriend to elucidate further and get to the real truth.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Good idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Have a good one.
		Wait a minute.
		Do you wish to make a mutated frog sound?
unidentified		No, I sure don't.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't say I blame you.
		Thank you very much.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Rick, KPNW, 1120.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was Rick, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a mutated frog sound.
unidentified		Not a mutated frog.
		No, sorry about that.
		All right, Rick.
		Thrilled to get through.
		I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm thrilled.
unidentified		Vidian, I wanted to ask you about Vidian.
		Yes.
		I finally downloaded that on the computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Does that still work?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I got through to Bob Crane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and what did you see?
unidentified		He had a showing on a room, and there were some people moving around in there and talking.
unidentified		I'm not sure who they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are alive!
unidentified		They are alive.
		It really is cool.
		The webpage has been the subject at work for the last couple of days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are they saying?
unidentified		And we were talking about the Levitron.
unidentified		One of the guys from work is going to buy one and bring it to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you all will have fun with it.
		When I first tried my Levitron, I felt like throwing it through a window.
		And I couldn't get it to work.
		And that's true.
		And I urge you, when you get it, don't just think you can do it without watching the video.
		Watch the video.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trust me.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		So you'll love the Levatron.
		It really does what it says it does.
		And coming out soon will be the perpetuator.
		It's not out yet, but that will keep the Levitron going indefinitely by pulsing it with magnetics.
		Pretty cool, huh?
unidentified		Sounds cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, listen, I'm afraid my program is over.
		How would you like the honors?
unidentified		I would be.
unidentified		I'd be honored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd be honored.
		All right.
		Let's hear your best shot.
unidentified		Good night, America and Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what you're doing?
		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That, I think, is going to do it.
		We will be back tomorrow night.
		And don't forget, tomorrow night, Richard Hoagland.
		And I'm not exactly sure what he's going to talk about.
		It is a bit of a mystery.
		And when I pressed him, he said, well, it'll make you ask good questions, all right?
		So that's what we'll be doing tomorrow night.
		I suspect it has something to do with Egypt.
		And possibly, well, I won't say anymore.
		We'll let him say it.
		Good night, America.

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