Richard Hoagland joins Art Bell to explore Cydonia’s Mars anomalies and alleged "Martian arts parts," including bismuth-magnesium-zinc alloys tested at Carnegie and Redstone labs for anti-gravity properties. Callers debate frog mutations—linked to Gulf War biohazards, airborne chemicals, or radiation—while scientists dismiss parasites despite global cases in 12 regions. Bell speculates on Pope John Paul II’s evolution statement amid health rumors, then pivots to NASA’s Giza pyramid secrecy and potential cover-ups. Hoagland’s cryptic hints about Egypt suggest deeper connections to extraterrestrial claims, leaving listeners questioning suppressed truths about Mars, ancient civilizations, and modern science. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
Good morning, as the case may be across all of these many time zones.
great to have you here from the Hawaiian and Tahitian islands in the west to the Caribbean and the US in the east comics native girls visions of both in both down south into South America north to the pole and worldwide on the internet this is Coast to Coast AM I'm Art Bell good morning I would like to first announce tomorrow night
Richard C. Hogan, Richard C. Hogan will be here.
I'm not altogether sure what he wants to talk about.
He is very, um I'm not sure what the right word is.
He's not what's going on, but he's holding it all pretty close to the best, so we'll see what's up tomorrow night with Richard Hopeland.
All right.
There's been a riot in Florida, in a Florida city, St. Petersburg.
The shooting of a black motorist there by police has sparked what authorities are calling a major riot in St. Petersburg.
They say crowds in a predominantly black neighborhood where the shooting took place threw rocks, bricks, bottles, set fire to cars and businesses.
Authorities say many people, including police officers, were injured in a riot, which they say is now pretty well contained.
The riot reportedly began this evening after a black motorist, get this, was shot and killed by police when his car lurched forward during a traffic stop.
Now let's roll over that one more time.
The riot reportedly started this evening after a black motorist was shot and killed by police when his car lurched forward during a traffic stop.
Why would an officer have a gun out during a traffic stop?
Or had they determined something and the officer had the gun out and had it pointed at the suspect and the car lurched forward and jogged the gun, going off and killing the motorist?
Or do they mean by this the man began an attempted getaway, but even then you wouldn't shoot somebody?
Right?
So I have no idea what's happened here.
And if anybody in Florida can shed any light on this, I think I'd like to know what the hell happened.
Because I, you know, if there's wants and warrants and they're serious, then the officer would have pulled a gun, maybe.
But they would have had the suspect get out of the car.
And I can't imagine a circumstance where the gun would be extended into the automobile.
That wouldn't make sense to me.
So if they drew the gun when the car lurched forward or began to try to get away, that wouldn't make sense either.
Unless it was a murder warrant or something.
So I have no idea what's happened here.
And I'm going to need somebody's help in St. Pete to tell me what happened here.
One of you, anyway, who knows more than I know about this.
Well, as you know, Bob Dole has sent his campaign manager down to Ross Perot's campaign headquarters to try to get Perot to drop out of the race and endorse Bob Dole.
Perot basically said, nuts.
Famous general once said that.
That's basically what Perot has said.
Nuts.
Perot launched, did launch a bunch of vocal barbs at the president, but turned Adole down flat, and it was not a good idea.
He should not have asked.
It has backfired.
I'm poor Bob Dole.
It just has not gone well for Bob Dole.
A pro predicts a second Watergate in 1997, and I think he's probably correct.
The polls during all of this continued to widen a week and a half before the election for Clinton.
It has been a terrible, terrible, terrible campaign.
Terrible.
This one's going to go down in the history books as one of the worst in all of American history, I think.
O.J. Simpson's lawyers harshly, yeah, here he is back in the news again, harshly attacked the character of his murdered former wife in court Thursday.
Gee, you remember how much he was saying he loved her?
Didn't he say that?
that he really loved her, and that even when she had an affair, he took it like a...
Simpson's lawyers accuse Nicole Brown, Simpson, of partying with prostitutes and drug users, having an abortion, just really, really going after Nicole's character, to the point that the Brown family walked out, walked out of the courtroom.
The TWA-800 flight has recovered possibly a critical piece of evidence, a fuel probe.
A fuel probe that shows damage that might prove that the probe itself blew up, exploded, kind of like a detonator in the fuel tank.
They're not sure, but they're looking into that.
They've got a suspect, a Saudi dissident in the bombing of the barracks in Saudi Arabia that killed 24 Americans.
We'll see.
Here is an amazing, an amazing story.
And really, I need Father Malachi Martin to even begin to talk about this, I suppose.
Pope Paul II, brace yourself, is lending his support to the theory of evolution.
In a written message to a body of experts that advises the Roman Catholic Church on scientific issues, Pope said evolution is, I'm telling you, brace yourself, quote, more than just a theory, end quote.
And belief in it is compatible with Christian faith.
The Pope's statement breaks some new ground.
Boy, that's putting it mildly.
By acknowledging the validity of the theory of the physical evolution of man and other species through natural selection and hereditary adaptation, the Pope made clear he regards the human soul as divine creation and not subject to the evolutionary process.
Holy Smokes!
I agree with the Pope, by the way, but nevertheless, holy smokes.
I have always felt that evolution and creation have no problem going hand in hand, and I have thought about that for years.
The hand of God in evolution, the hand of God in the soul of man, no question about it.
But evolution, pretty much scientifically verifiable.
But I am amazed, absolutely nothing short of amazed at what the Pope has said.
And I wonder how you feel about it.
I wonder how a lot of Christians out there feel about it.
I imagine there are some ruffled Christian feathers this morning.
Well, the deformed frog story is growing, sorry, by leaps and bounds.
And I don't mean to belittle this at all.
A couple of days ago, there was a rush job and somebody came out and said, well, we think it's parasites.
A parasites in snakes of being given to frogs.
And that's what's causing all of this.
There have been no genetic deformities found yet or problems with the genome.
So the next logical thing that one would look for, and these frogs are now beginning to turn up all over the place.
The next logical answer would be we've got pollution at work here.
Somebody dumped something someplace and the frogs absorbed it into their skin.
Problem with that is they're being found all over the place.
So unless somebody dumped something simultaneously in many, many parts of the world, I just don't see how it can be pollution.
Do you?
Most striking, according to the scientists that we have talked with thus far, would not be the multiple legs on the back of the frog.
Those have occurred before.
Rare, but it has occurred.
What is troubling scientists greatly are the eyes.
Missing eyes, eyes in their throats, eyes in places where eyes ought not be.
Alinda Moulton Howe is hot on the track of this story.
And we'll see where it goes.
But the thing they came out with a couple days after the frogs began to show up about the parasites, now considered by most scientists to be very unlikely as a cause, and frankly, they are completely stumped.
They have no idea what's causing this.
I mean, you tell me, California, to Texas, to Minnesota, to Montreal, to Vermont, to Japan, what could do that?
Some single polluting source?
I think not.
And with respect to yesterday's very, very, very troubling program, somebody wrote their epitaph to me.
And it simply says, sometimes I think the world has gone completely mad.
Then I think to myself, ah, who cares?
Then I think to myself, Hey, what's for supper?
And I know how that Faxer feels.
Last night, Art, you continued to refer to the nature of man.
I believe what we are witnessing is not the nature of man, but the nature of the beast.
This is important because the beast has not yet made a physical appearance.
I believe that Major Dames and Father Martin will be talking more about this in the future.
Remember that Father Martin made the distinction between Lucifer and Satan.
Satan is the beast.
Lucifer, the dragon.
And the battle is for our souls.
What we are seeing is the awesome powers that Lucifer and Satan have to influence events in this realm, on this planet, to make us lose faith or our belief system.
All right, in a moment, we are going to go to open lines.
That's what we're going to do tonight, because tomorrow night Richard Hoagland is going to be here.
And again, I know not what he is going to say.
He's keeping this one very close to himself.
And so my comment was, well, Richard, I don't know what this is all about.
And he said, well, then you will ask very good questions.
I said, yes, I suppose so.
So we'll see.
But I know it has something.
At least I think it has something to do with Egypt and NASA.
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NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, California Institute of Technology Thank you.
Thank you.
You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from October 24, 1996.
Music it's a big nearly full moon up there and I'm me
I haven't played Truth or Trash in a long, long time, and it's a lot of fun.
You know, it's a lot of fun if the moon is in the right phase and the stories are good.
It's a lot of fun.
So I just sort of put that sort in the back of your mind.
Truth 2 Trash is a game where we allow somebody to come on the air, and I take stories from you.
I have one truth or trash line.
And if you have a totally weird story, something Rod Serling would be proud of, then we'll allow you to lay it out here and allow a panel to judge whether your story is truth or utter garbage.
Trash.
And it's kind of fun.
If the stories are good.
So I'm almost in the mood to do that.
We'll see as the morning wears on.
We'll go with open lines probably between now and the top of the hour.
And maybe the whole night long.
I don't know.
We'll see.
East of the Rockies, you are number one on the air this morning.
Have you ever asked a man, if say you took a prominent speech out of the past, like say Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and had two or three different people read it and you recorded each person, wouldn't work.
And the reason is that you are wishing to read the reversed speech of the person who gave the address and judge their truthfulness or their untruthfulness, lack of it.
And the only way you can do that is by that specific person.
Different people reading it would give different results.
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And I heard him the other night where he taped the debate.
Is he going to tape the president when he accepted speech to see how that sounds?
You see, it is of the person of their particular thoughts, and therefore substituting somebody else who would read somebody else's words just wouldn't get it.
I mean, here he is, a Catholic priest, and you would think normally I guess you could ask a question like that, but you would certainly presume the answer would be, oh, Art, how can you ask somebody like me a question like that?
And you were on the Hoagland thing the other night, too.
I'm very good, sir, with the voices.
And what you just ran through there was an utter exercise in futility and stupidity.
And if it was designed to get me angry, that's probably it did a very good job.
Because you can't talk about St. Petersburg with an utter lack of knowledge, and I certainly admit an utter lack of knowledge about what happened, and you certainly haven't, and boil it just down to a white man-black man deal.
You don't know what the hell happened there.
And to start talking about whatever occurred in St. Louis, whatever that was, has no relationship, bears no relationship to what has occurred in St. Petersburg because you don't know what happened there.
And as far as Richard Hoagland is concerned, this goes back to your call the other day.
I don't extol Richard more than any other human being, Richard is a damn good guest.
Richard is a very good guest.
But do I hold him up as one would a heroic figure beyond all others?
No.
So your call was all over the place, going nowhere productive.
And, you know, I also want to say that on the frog thing, you know, there are many prominent scientists, including Dr. Bill Wattenberg out of KGO in San Francisco, who do not believe that we have an ozone depletion due to something we have done.
And I think that we should listen to some of these scientists before we make a judgment.
You know, groups like the Sierra Club in our...
I don't know, Art.
He hasn't talked about that.
I'd like to get through to him this weekend and talk to him about it.
But it could be a mutation that is occurring from a natural phenomenon.
You know, much of the ozone is depleted through volcanoes and things in our universe.
And the ozone hole is presently about twice the size of Europe is the latest report.
Now, I don't know whether we did it.
I don't say that.
I just say it is.
It is a fact.
Whoever did it, a volcano or whoever, it is real.
And even Bill, I'm sure, would not deny that.
The NASA measurements have been very specific.
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Well, I'd like to get him to talk about it.
And another thing, just let me say that on the endangered species, you know, we think that this is something that is just occurring in our lifetimes and in the 20th century.
But since the Earth began, like 400 million years ago, 99% of all of the animals that have ever lived are now extinct.
So, you know, I mean, we're so egotistical as human beings.
We think that this is just something we have to look at the big picture.
And I'm kind of tired of all these ego freaks, you know.
Well, yes, true, but I think we have to take care of the environment, but I think we need to look at the big picture.
And before, like I said, we let groups like the Sierra Club in our government scare us, make sure that what is happening is something that we can control.
All right, well, all of this, thank you, is not coming from the Sierra Club.
Believe me, the Story on the Frogs is not a Sierra Club press release.
The Story on the Frogs is coming from all over the world.
And while it certainly might be true that there's a pollution problem, to have a pollution problem simultaneously across the U.S. all the way to Japan seems unlikely.
I can easily understand that an area or even a river or a system could be polluted, but that doesn't account for these deformities in Vermont, Montreal, California, Texas, Missouri, Minnesota, the Dakotas, in Japan.
It just can't account for all of that at once, can it?
Or if it can, then explain to me how that could occur.
No, it just said on sightings in the news, and it just said that he was talking about, you know, the moon, and then also about Mars, and it said that he's going to be talking about this.
Okay, I'm just wondering if the same species or alien or whatever that's mutilating the cattle and taking the blood out of animals and leaving no traces might be using that blood, getting DNA out of it, and doing bioengineering on us.
Well, unfortunately, scientists looking at the genome have as yet found no problems.
Well, in other words, if there is a change in the genetic structure of the frog, then it should be apparent when they look at the frog's DNA, and it is not apparent.
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Yeah.
You want to hear my millennium theory?
Sure.
Well, you know, Halloween is time that a lot of traditions honor their dead because they think that, like, our world and the spirit world are closer together.
And so they have, you know, little ceremonies to honor their ancestors and stuff like that.
But, you know, a lot of those traditions follow like seasonal cycles.
And I think, and it's really interesting, that's also like their New Year.
And so I was thinking, maybe the millennium is the same type of thing, only on a much grander scale.
And that's why we have the quickening and all that.
Because the spirit world in our world, like maybe the door is wider open or something because of the millennium.
And I hadn't thought about it before, but I shall.
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You want to hear my population, overpopulation theory?
Sure.
Well, I was thinking about how we're overpopulated, and I was also thinking about how people predict like the coming calamities and major earth changes and all that.
I found it sort of scary that those two pieces of wreckage found today having to do with that central fuel tank was in the general area that Ed Dames had talked about.
Tomorrow night, Richard C. Hoagland with a mystery.
He won't tell me what he's going to talk about.
We'll find out together tomorrow night.
Well, all right.
I'm still not clear about St. Petersburg.
I've heard the news, but a lot of things are unclear to me.
It is unclear to me why an officer would go in front of a car during a traffic stop.
Shouldn't do that.
Normally would not do that until the driver is out of the car.
So I'm just not clear.
Hi, Art.
Really enjoy your show.
I live in Clearwater, 10 miles north of St. Pete.
And from watching the local news, it would appear that during the traffic stop, the driver did something to make the policeman concerned for his safety.
This occurrence is coming on the heels of a Tampa policeman being run over and critically injured during a traffic stop of a suspected two-times murderer about a week and a half ago.
Well, that would certainly account for higher tensions, but would not in any way affect the way this particular traffic stop or situation is looked at.
It will be looked at on its own merit or not.
However, I do have questions about why a cop would be in front of a stopped vehicle.
One of my biggest fears that I have regarding St. Petersburg, the city of Rochester, and this is a northern city, is comprised of 78%, I could be off by a couple bitches, of minority.
My wife and I are stuck with this house that we have here in a really nice part of the city.
And if something like that was to happen here in Rochester, I don't know what we would do.
And they showed another Catholic priest saying that, describing how man just appeared, there was never a half-man or anything.
And that brings to mind Zacharias Sitchin was on a show last night, and along with him was priest, Father Charlie Moore, talking about what is under the ruins that were opened in Jerusalem.
And they were both saying very plainly, including the father, that they believe it was a landing pad from extraterrestrials.
And this Roman Catholic priest was saying he believes, like Sitchin, that they will come back.
That's their reason, and it's not a good one, because the translation from digital to analog can be accomplished for very, very little amount of money.
Maybe some of the recent scientific news has pushed the Pope.
Maybe the news about discovery of, albeit primitive, life on Mars billions of years ago, maybe that pushed the Pope the final little bit to begin to suggest that, well, look at what the Pope said.
That evolution, he said, quote, is more than just a theory, end quote.
Good heavens, Betsy, that's quite a remarkable statement for a Pope, isn't it?
Well, in the book, it states that there's going to be, according to the writer, a shift in the magnetic poles of the sun.
And in the process, the radiation that comes through changes our ionosphere, and more radiation comes through, thus affecting fertility, causing mutations.
And that's one of the reasons that the fellow said, others said that maybe that's what happened to the Maya is that the fertility went down.
That's kind of like a, I don't know, offer a suggestion in relation to the frogs.
I don't know, I'm pretty young and mentally immature.
But like if they polluted a river, wouldn't it, over time at least, after everything accumulated and it rained at the sea and rained, wouldn't it all, couldn't it scatter all about the earth?
Well, Linda Howe interviewed Mr. Hawass, the Egyptian curator official.
And he indicated quite strongly that it was canceled.
I don't really want to say anything publicly here, but let me just say there may have been changes at Giza.
I can't go beyond that right now.
I do know something about that, maybe, and I can't talk about it.
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Another interesting thing, you know, that I've studied the Bible somewhat in my life, and my father, too, and my family.
And it's amazing that they are not mentioned in the Bible anywhere, the pyramids, and them being, I guess they're like 5,000 years old or so, so they're even before the Bible was written.
But you would think with Christ and all that around that area that he would, I mean, they would have to be mentioned at least about, I don't know.
But there's also books of the Bible that are missing or that weren't thoroughly the original Bible that was found, whatever.
There were pieces of different books that were possibly missing that maybe may still be recovered.
Maybe they will open some chamber and they will find ancient writings that will absolutely blow all of our minds about everything, you know, the way we thought it was, it wasn't.
I I just, you know, it's so hard for me to believe that a president who would have to be aware of this could even live with himself, come out and face the American people knowing that kind of information.
I mean, it's just it's depressing, frankly, to even think about.
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Yeah, and he was the one, you know, that sent him over there and found, you know, and then this all happened.
Can you imagine, folks, let us just say there is some national security strategic reason why we would have to have maintained silence knowing that our troops were being exposed to biological and chemical weapons.
And that you, as President, were aware of that fact.
You would have to live with that.
And it seems to me that's something that I could not live with.
And we'll talk about anything you want to talk about.
Let me try and find out more.
I've got something here on the situation in Florida.
The disturbances began with a stolen Pontiac Le Mans.
Police began to chase the Le Mans at about 5 p.m.
At the wheel was the 18-year-old.
Beside him, another teenager.
Near an intersection, the Le Mans was cut off by a cruiser.
Two officers, a man and woman, got out.
The male officer, identified by police as Jim Knight, stood in front of the Le Mans.
The female officer stood to the side.
Now, here is where I'm just not clear about why it was done.
Why would anybody stand in front of the car?
At any rate, Yolanda Levine and Lisa Kramp said they saw what happened next.
They said the woman officer ran to her cruiser and grabbed a baton.
Then ran back to the car and hit the driver's side window.
Knight stood in front of the car, his hands on the hood, they said.
Again, that's the other policeman, Knight.
Levine and Kramp said the car inched forward, and the woman yelled for Knight to shoot.
He did, striking the driver.
There were five shots.
Five, said Kraft, 19.
The boy wasn't going fast enough to run them over.
He wasn't even going two miles an hour.
It was the seventh police shooting of the year in St. Pete, the sixth involving a police officer firing upon a car.
Well, I have no way of knowing if what I just got is an accurate rendition of what occurred in St. Petersburg.
If it is, I understand why they have a problem.
But again, I caution everybody out there, you know, I worked in these areas, and a lot of reports that you get concerning how an incident went down are at first inaccurate.
So I'm going to be very cautious here, and I'm not going to jump to any conclusions.
Now, obviously, if that rendition of the incident was accurate, a lot of people would understand why there has been a problem.
But I just don't think we know, and I don't like leaping to conclusions about this sort of thing.
I just worked too many years in the area, and I know that until you get down to an internal affairs investigation and you really know how something came down, you don't understand whether you had a good shoot or not.
It's not, I think, the question is, did the Pope state this as a doctrinal thing, or did he talk about it as Well, the Pope said, quote, evolution is more than just a theory, end quote.
Yes, and that that belief is compatible with Christian faith.
It goes on to say the Pope's statement breaks new ground by acknowledging the validity of the theory of the physical evolution of man and other species through natural selection and hereditary adaption.
So they apparently had not heard what you had heard.
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Well, there's a Pontifical Council on Science that has been looking into this now for some time.
And they have not come out with their conclusions yet, but they're coming closer to it.
And I think this is what motivated the Pope's statement.
But I think one of the things you have to remember is that when the Pope is speaking as his own opinion, it doesn't carry the same weight as if he states that it's doctrine.
So if he talks about science, you don't have to pay much attention to it.
But if he's specifically saying that, you know, in terms of Christian doctrine, that it doesn't contradict it.
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I am afraid that no matter which man becomes president, it's not like it's a big mystery, actually, but no matter which one would become president, in four more years, asking that same question would yield the same answer.
I honestly believe that our relative freedoms are controlled more by population pressure than they are by the guy who's in the White House.
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Well, and I also agree, Art, with let's try to keep this thing in balance and keep the Republicans in to keep in check.
The Republicans retain control by the skin of their teeth of the House.
They retain control of the Senate.
And then in the year that follows, President Clinton is going to be in a great deal of trouble.
These scandals are going to begin to have some traction in the next year.
Unfortunately for Bob Dole, they did not get traction soon enough.
The big news, of course, Bob Dole sent his campaign manager down to see Ross Perot, and Ross Perot basically said nuts.
And the whole thing has backfired on Bob Dole at a bad time.
Things have not gone well for Bob Dole.
This is one of the poorest campaigns in memory, rivaling and possibly even surpassing the George Bush campaign for re-election, which I thought was really lame.
You know, all this mutant frogs and all this story of mysterious clouds over the planet that you mentioned a couple weeks ago?
Yes.
Doesn't it kind of make sense that there just could be a widespread biological hazard, at least 10 different biological hazards that we should be concerned about very, very much right now?
Today on the way home from work, I was listening to NPR National Public Radio, and it's a news type thing, and they were talking about NASA and something going on in Montana, some flyovers, and they were going to have some meetings today, and there was going to be some type of landing this weekend.
It's apparently experimental aircraft.
I was wondering if maybe you have heard anything about this or any of the other listeners out there possibly.
Well, I'm a former research immunologist and talking about these mutant frogs or whatever.
And I really think they probably know what's causing it.
I mean, there's a list of, they're called for tetratoma or pterogens that mutate, you know, like fetal tissue and things like that.
And there's like a whole category of these chemicals that you can take water and soil samples and pop it in a little gas chromatograph and figure out what the concentration is.
And they're withholding the information so we won't all freak out and go Mad Max?
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Yeah, I think so.
I think they actually have, you know, probably some cargo, you know, chemical or something like that, and they don't really want to, you know, talk about it or whatever.
We were trying to think of a movie, and that's the name of it.
It was horrible.
Do any of you remember Night of the Living Dead?
Are you old enough?
I remember even the advertisements for it on the radio way back when.
I'm talking about the original version now.
Scared you to death.
That was it, Night of the Living Dead.
And I mean people came up out of their crypts, out of their graves, and they just, like zombies, began to walk and they were all in deteriorated condition, as you would imagine people would be in graves for a while, right?
Various levels of deterioration with flaps of skin falling off them.
And they went after the living.
And oh, God, it was terrible.
It was just absolutely frightening.
Great Halloween movie.
Maybe one of the movie channels will replay the original for Halloween.
If what the nurse said last night is true, in fact, our people were exposed to biological weapons during the Gulf War, gosh, to me, we're facing one of the most tragic chapters in the history of modern America.
It's sickening.
But to me, the bottom line is I really don't care who's to blame or what the political consequences are.
And if our troops over there were inflicted with biological agents, then the way I feel is that we either get our vets the proper treatment, their families also, or we just tear up the Constitution and take down the flag.
However, it is reasonable to say that whatever exists in the hearts and the minds of those who would know and bear this kind of information, which it seems to me would be unbearable, that in the hearts and minds of Americans, America still exists.
Millions and millions and millions of Americans.
And that counts more than what's in the heads or hearts of politicians.
You know, he has dedicated himself in the past to retrieval of POWs, and he spent a lot of money on it.
So this kind of thing would be right down his alley.
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Well, let me ask you this, Art.
After the elections, if myself and many, many, many, I'm sure thousands of your listeners look at the information and find out it's true, yourself included, do you think there's any way that you personally, with your influence, could get Ross interest in this issue?
Well, I would say before it's going to get a lot of accolades, it's going to have to have clinical trials.
And there's a lot of evidence of people saying, gee, it worked or it works.
But there have to be scientific clinical trials to prove that it works, and then people will begin to get excited.
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But you know, it's very hard to do this without spending millions of dollars, and there is very little incentive to do that, considering the fact that Bob Beck has essentially given the plans on how to build those two units literally at home, if you're so inclined.
The entries of either chemical or biological warfare on the president and you had knowledge that chemical and biological weapons were being used on our troops,
and you knew that, and you knew that our troops were ordered not to don the gear to protect them, could you live with that?
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Well, you know, the president then was Mr. Bush, and he is, unfortunately, I think he's forget Bush.
All right, well, I thought I'd bring another interesting angle, because, you know, the runes, you know, the Viking, as you know, Icelanders are very proud of their Viking heritage.
Right.
And so, you know, the runic letters are, you know, that's the, for a lot of people, they can use those as like mystical charms.
You know, when I worked in a bookstore, we had like a, you know, the runic, you know, fortune telling.
Well, I just found this really interesting thing where this particular, during the 20s when the Germans were intensely seeking for identity, this particular person by the last name of Kummer, K-U-M-M-E-R, came up with an interesting runic yoga in which the person would...
Yeah.
They would twist their body into the form of a runic letter and then yodel intensely.
And then they believed it released magical powers.
About all I know, thank you, about Iceland is that is, as you'll well recall, from all history books, where Capoon descended toward the center of the earth.
Remember that?
That's all I know about Iceland.
And it was, I believe, in a volcano, was it not, that he descended.
I think the way that we could change things here in America is to vote third party.
If everybody voted third party in this country, we'd send a message to Washington so fast that we were tired of the two-party system and that we could count past two.
Well, the problem with that is, of course, everybody has the opportunity to vote third party.
The problem, sir, is that there is no third party that is presently projecting an ideology that is attracting enough people.
unidentified
Well, I think that's because basically they're not getting the word out enough.
If C-SPAN, for instance, would carry the Libertarian Party, which I'm a member of, and a few of the others, let's say if they decided that they were going to do that three times a day, every day, for the last two weeks until the election, to where people would get a chance, I believe that if the American people knew that it was out there, they're smart enough.
Well, first of all, it takes a hell of a lot more than C-SPAN.
C-SPAN is the political junkie's place.
But that's all.
The average American person doesn't ever see C-SPAN, sir.
They see NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox.
That's what they see.
unidentified
Well, I understand that, but I still believe in Harry Brown and I believe in his message.
I think he has the right message concerning drugs, too, because of the fact that if drugs are illegal, then the price is inflated to where it's like 25 times the amount it would normally be.
Back in Prohibition was the only other time where we had drive-by shootings in this country.
You've taken something, many substances, and you've made them like gold to where now the average street bum on the street has something that he can fight the guy a couple streets over for.
And it puts a lot of innocent people at risk.
And as far as the borders, I believe that if we got rid of the welfare policy, just like young mothers, if they're teenage mothers, if they're having a problem with their family at home, the government says to them.
Welfare or not, sir, we remain an economic magnet.
And if you doubt that, do a little travel down south.
unidentified
Oh, I don't.
But I believe in free trade, and I believe that this country was founded on it, and I believe the best way to turn around, even as far as our enemies go, if we completely open up this country with free trade and we open the borders, I do not believe, I believe that if we turn off the spigot for the handouts, that it will be okay to open up the borders.
And if we keep free trade going, even if the rest of them are protectionists, back in 1903, Winston Churchill and Britain, they were number one as far as ex-borters.
Well, you are faithfully relaying Harry's ideology and the libertarian ideology, and I appreciate that, but I just do not agree with it in those two areas.
Were it not for those two areas, I would be voting for Harry Brown.
How's that?
Those two areas.
But they're real gotchas.
I mean, they are non-trivial things.
One, it is my feeling that freely available cheap drugs would ruin this nation.
So what have they said about Martin Luther King, Charlie?
unidentified
Liberal.
The word is liberal.
You got this jerk Rush Limbaugh saying that Martin Luther King wouldn't have voted for Bill Clinton had he been alive today.
That's a bunch of crap.
And he knows it.
And the thing about it, it would be, there's commercial that, thank God, that these TV shows and these TV stations are not showing in the state of California that basically put down protecting individuals, black people's rights.
But I think the whole thing of it is this.
Let's say that the Democrats had put out a commercial using Ronald Reagan, who unfortunately is out of it right now.
But let's say they put out a commercial where Ronald Reagan made the statement that he believes in protecting individuals' rights and that people ought to be judged as human beings.
And they used it, they say, in a commercial that defended gays in the military and said, well, this is, you know, Ronald Reagan was for gays in the military.
And now, rising somewhat less than gracefully from the green, slimy political sex pool, here's Charlie.
unidentified
Well, you know, unfortunately, Proposition 209, which for people who don't live in California is an attack on affirmative action, will probably pass in this state.
But all I can say is, you know, they should not use Martin Luther King in these commercials.
Where the hell were these conservatives in 1968 when Martin Luther King were alive?
He had jerks like Robert Dirksen who were saying that, oh, just a guy who owns a hotel, he should be, you know, if he doesn't want to let black people into his hotel, well, he's got a right.
I've not yet seen this commercial, and you say there is a commercial running suggesting that if Martin Luther King were alive today, he would not vote for Bill Clinton.
Is that correct?
unidentified
The commercial, well, it's his I Have a Dream speech.
I have a dream speech, and then they make the conclusion that, well, therefore, you know, you shouldn't use affirmative action because that's racist against white people, which it's not.
But, you know, it goes to show you how low and despicable and disgusting the conservative extremists get with their stupid commercials.
But there are people on both sides of the political spectrum using that, that horrible, mutilated, mutated human condition for their own political purposes, both from the right and from the left.
Charlie, first time caller line, you're on the air.
Yeah, well, anyways, I think that would be a great show if you did that, because there's lots of more stuff going on than I think mankind has ever seen in terms of...
Oh, yeah, definitely.
And can't believe it got on right after Charlie Liberal.
I mean, Richard Hoagland will not tell me what he's going to talk about, so I don't know.
unidentified
Okay, and I haven't caught everything that you have talked about in terms of arts parts, and I'm really curious if he could maybe give me some quick and dirty information on what they are.
Yeah, actually, I've got one other thing about the frog.
Oh, yes.
This is really weird, and you may or may not believe this, but I've actually been predicting that for some time as there's a group of us here that actually are pretty in tune with the nature of things, and we've been seeing that coming, and this is just the beginning.
And in fact, if you go back and look at the March 30th program that I did with Ed Dames, I mean, this is to his credit.
You will hear him say that we have severe problems with the ozone, with the environment, and you will hear him say that you will begin to see first gross mutations of frogs, and then finally, human babies will begin to die.
He said that on March 30th, before the frog story broke.
Well, a lot of what he said has been said by others, not as specific as to the details, but has been said by others, you know, coming in the short term, including the Catholic priest we had on, an incredible man named Malachi Martin.
And it just stopped me cold, interviewing Malachi and hearing him say some of what he said, and he had no way of hearing my previous guests.
It just sent chills down my spine.
And I didn't even bother stopping and calling attention to it when it occurred.
It freaked me out so badly, I just let it go, and I knew the audience was feeling what I was feeling.
Now, I'm not sure, but I believe I heard her say a few minutes after that that they see similar results to this type of disease in animals, that their back legs become very weak.
Well, as soon as I heard that, it popped in my head that perhaps this disease that's going airborne in the water supply, frogs being an indicator species, it's gotten into the frogs.
Their back legs are becoming weak.
Therefore, they've mutated, and that's why they're growing four and five legs now.
Do you remember at the beginning of the show when I told you you've got to be careful about these reports of situations that are fluid and underway?
I'm referring now to what occurred in St. Petersburg.
I can't even tell you this is the straight stuff, but I've got a story from this morning's Tampa Tribune in front of me, and I'll read it to you or some of it.
St. Petersburg.
A police shooting sparked a violent outburst on the city's south side Thursday night with hundreds of people rioting, looting, torching cars and stores, hurling Molotov cocktails, firing guns, and attacking police and journalists.
The frenzy erupted when some people in the predominantly black area learned that a white police officer had shot a black motorist at the corner of 16th Street and 18th Avenue South.
Details of the shooting were sketchy, but early today, police confirmed late Thursday that the 18-year-old motorist died en route to the hospital.
Police have not released his name.
Police said the suspect's car was traveling east on 18th Avenue at more than 70 miles per hour when police pulled it over near the intersection at about 4.40 p.m.
A witness said after the car was stopped, the suspect put his hands up.
The car was still in gear and the man's foot was on the brake.
Police ordered the man out of the car.
As the man opened the door and began to get out, it began moving toward the officer.
The officer shot the suspect three times, said the witness, an 18-year-old woman who was in a car behind the suspects.
The woman did not give her name.
She said a woman passenger in the suspect's car was not injured.
The White House expressed immediate concern about the riot.
Quote, said Mike McCurry, we're making inquiries of local officials for an assessment of the situation.
Police identified the police officer who shot the man as Jim Knight.
He shot the suspect several times.
By 11.30, fires were popping up at several locations in South St. Petersburg, with a community resource center at 15th Avenue and 4th Street South and a nearby post office reportedly destroyed.
Rioting then mushroomed to surrounding neighborhoods and police set up a command center near Tropicana Field.
So, I guess I can see both sides of this.
And to me, it looks like a tragedy.
In other words, to the observer, to the casual observer on the sidewalk or behind the vehicle, it probably looked like the police assassinated this guy.
Wouldn't you say?
However, to the policeman, and I still question why a policeman would be in front of a stopped vehicle in a traffic stop, to that cop, I'm sure it looked like attempted murder.
Vehicular homicide, it's called.
To him, it looked that way, and he was protecting his life, he thought.
But this is obviously not going to go down easily, and on the face of it, you can understand why there was a riot.
It looked like an assassination.
If it came down, as described here, I'm sure to the casual observer, it looked like an assassination.
I'm a truck, however, I listen to your show every night.
I hope the reception is based here.
Great show.
Every time I listen to Ed Daines, I get worried about things, and then he starts talking about remote viewing.
People on Mars or things on Mars, and I discount everything.
But then this thing with the biological stuff and the deformed babies and what have you, it's really scary.
And the guy had, I think, the right idea with the frogs, too, that that could possibly be that airborne, that the stuff got airborne, and it's doing that to them.
it was a reasonable scenario about this right in fact i'm not a racist or anything like that i live in tennessee it's just like the right after the old jay thing i mean these people or and i'm not saying black or white these people have nothing to do you know everything's provided for them and they
just, you know, anything to spark, Anything to give them a reason to believe the young people in the government, everything there that they need, then they just get a reason to think about what they're going to do, they don't deserve, or what they're going to do to get the things they want that they can't have.
You know, and here's a chance, okay, here's a good reason to go loot, rob, and burn.
I think right now, based on what I've read, I see both sides of this.
And I'll tell you something, there is racism.
It's real.
And if I had been there and I had seen this, maybe I would have rioted.
To the casual observer, if this came down the way it reads, it looked like this man who had his hands in the air was assassinated.
I'm sure it looked that way.
In fact, I also understand why the cop shot.
The only part of this I don't understand is what the cop was doing in front of the car.
When you do a traffic stop, there's a certain protocol you follow, and as far as I know, it does not include going into the front of the car before the person is out.
So I'm reserving judgment on all of this.
On the other hand, for whatever reason, if the cop was in front of the car and he thought that guy was trying to run him over, that is attempted murder.
And he is justified in drawing his gun and shooting, using fatal force against fatal force.
So I see both sides of this, frankly.
It never justifies the wider rioting.
That is to say, the let's go join the crowd and get a free color TV or whatever.
But so far as I read this situation, I understand both sides.
Well, we'll find out on election day how much of a wave of the future you are.
We'll be able to carefully tally up the votes cast for all the various parties and know who is the wave of the future and who is the wave of the present.
And I don't need anybody to put me on or take me off the hook.
I will vote as my conscience dictates.
and I assume, particularly as a libertarian, you will do the very same.
unidentified
*Painful Screams*
Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
It doesn't sound like a brilliant idea to me, but I thought it was just pretty dumb, but I thought you could tell her that just to say, hey, back in the 40s, they made you drink kerosene for asthma.
And then my other thing was, what was the answer to the riddle?
I still think it is poor form for a human being to stand in front of a stopped vehicle while the driver is still in it.
unidentified
Oh, definitely.
I definitely agree with you there.
But it's just terrible.
I mean, like you, I guess I can see both sides where, you know, one side, the police officer is trying to protect himself, though, I mean, shooting and killing somebody is pretty serious?
Now, with the deal in Florida, I understand that a cop took somebody's life and that's not good.
But I wonder why people don't get this upset when they shoot each other and they don't have the authority to protect themselves with a gun when they're on a job.
I mean, the cop had the job where he's out there protecting us every day, eight hours a day, to provide food for his family.
Well, that doesn't give anybody the right to assassination.
And I'm not saying that it was, but it very well may have looked that way.
unidentified
No, but what I am saying is that if everybody would get this upset about shooting each other, I'm saying if it would have been another black guy on the street, and I don't want to make this a black-white thing, if it was just another guy on the street.
Well, no, it's not for Bob Dole, and it's too bad that we're going to have to deal with Bill Clinton for another four years and then maybe even Al Gore.
Why don't we sometime have a program where we go down those paths in ideas and thoughts and talk instead of just shutting the door, you know, the drugs and the borders thing about Harry Brown?
They are accurately portraying his position on those things.
His position is that the crime would stop if we legalized drugs.
His position is that we would not have an inrush of illegal or it wouldn't be illegal legal people coming to America if we just did away with welfare as a magnet.
Well, there's a lot more magnetism in America than just welfare.
unidentified
But I don't I think he has a little bit more to say than well that's what he said when that's what he said when he's been on the air.
Oh yeah, I know.
But I mean I think that maybe just saying that this and this is what would happen, I think that you should have him back on to talk about it.
But I'm surprised that none of your callers have mentioned.
I mean, I don't really study the phenomenon, but I watch CNN headline news fairly frequently.
and for the past three or four days they've had a court expert on that has ascribed the phenomenon to the presence of a parasite that has actually been...
If you look at more recent stories, you will find that the top scientists in the field are saying the parasite was a good shot, but does not account for what's going on.
unidentified
Okay, I heard you say that.
And I was wondering what the basis of these scientists are, because it's easy to say, well, I'm trying to speculate that.
All right, the article that I've got in front of me, if you can hear me, is by the Associated Press.
It's entitled Scientists Skeptical About Parasites in Deformed Frogs.
Minnesota scientists studying malformed frogs here and in several other states are skeptical of reports from a California researcher that a snake-dwelling parasite is causing the deformities.
Mark Gernes, a biologist with the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency, said Tuesday that parasites may be one factor, but there might be a lot more than one cause of the bizarre abnormalities that have been showing up since last year.
So they're kind of ruling that out as the primary cause of whatever it is doing this.
I don't know where this discussion is going, but I have one other thing.
Well, wait, sir.
Would you please wait?
Sure.
I think that since these frogs are dying and are mutated, and we've got similar problems with birds, if we're smart, we will continue to investigate and try and find out why before we become as the frogs.
Would that seem like a good idea to you?
unidentified
Oh, that would be the ultimate good idea.
But I would caution everybody to what do you think you think this green meteor has anything to do with the frog losing legs?
I hear some of these callers, and well, see, that's the difference.
I think that'd be a really, you know, so I'll tell you what, go back and ask your psychologically challenged girlfriend to elucidate further and get to the real truth.