Al Taylor, author of Soul Traveler, details out-of-body experiences (OBEs) and sleep paralysis, asserting that 99% of people nightly undergo these states while only 20% remember them. He describes the IST technique involving waking at 1:30 AM to separate consciousness from the body, noting that fear often triggers negative sensations like buzzing or falling, whereas calmness allows travel to any location or healing of ailments like his own multiple sclerosis. Addressing callers' stories of entities and nightmares, Taylor argues these are thought forms or guardian guides rather than demons, emphasizing that OBEs are natural, non-dangerous phenomena accessible without drugs, ultimately suggesting humans are evolving spiritually through this pure consciousness travel. [Automatically generated summary]
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From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I did all baby.
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This is Coast to Coast AM, live on the screen talk radio, on my lawn.
This was in the category of you asked for it, so now you're going to get it.
And I've been hard at work ever since I've been getting these myriad of unrelenting sleep paralysis calls.
I've got it too.
It's been going on for days.
So, tonight, Al Taylor, Albert Kill, author of something called Soul Trapper.
A man who from a very early age himself experienced death-like night paralysis.
And he researched it, and he knows what it is, and he's going to talk to you about it tonight.
So in the category of you ask for it, here it comes.
We'll get all of that shortly.
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Even though I think the middle class is being put in the way, because most people are doing relatively okay, we haven't seen that balance of power shift yet.
If that gets higher, I think we got a little bit of a government being supported with this cold now, rising up well, people are sharing their rush ratios.
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We're looking at our very short cars to get over.
Well, we take you on to the other September 20th, 1986, on our way.
Thank you.
This is night one, and this is your opportunity.
And I have had now many years of cruises going to exotic locations, and trust me.
This one takes the cake.
We're going to leave the United States next October 1st.
In other words, a little over a year from now.
But because of the prices that we're going to be able to get for you, and they are very, very good prices, we're doing this far ahead of time.
Far ahead of time.
Now, we were due to take another tour, but you know I wanted to see the pyramids, so I'm talking to you another tour.
This is a winner.
Believe me.
So we leave the U.S., bound for Athens, Greece, on October 1st.
October 2nd, we arrive in Athens, Greece.
And there, we transfer from the airport to Holland America's extremely luxurious ship.
We know all about Mazda because we went on Mazdan last on 12 o'clock.
And of course, you can arrive in Athens a day or two free early if you want to spend a lot of time in Athens.
October 3rd, we get the first full day at sea.
And you will love it there.
You get a photograph of me trying to smile and welcome to the board party and so forth and so on.
October 4th, we arrive in Alexandria, Egypt, or Cairo.
And there, there is an actual shore tour excursion which goes straight to Giza and the pyramids.
You'll be able to descend 100 steps into the center of Chiops, the largest of 35,000-year-old pyramids.
You may also visit the interior of two other pyramids, and of course the famed Sphinx just off to the side.
So this is my baby.
I've been wanting to go there and we're going.
Now October 5th, we go to Jerusalem, Israel.
And I'll be telling you a lot more about all of this.
And the whaling along, you know, we'll do everything that you want to do when you get to Israel.
And then October 6th, to Haifa, Israel.
October 7th is back at sea and you'll be glad to get back at sea and the wonders of the Empress Mazza.
October 8th, we go to Rhodes, Greece, one of the most popular islands, Greek islands.
And I'll tell you more about these.
October 9th, Tottenham's Greece, another Greek island, and then yet October 10th, another Greek island, Crete.
You ever made Crete?
Have you heard about Crete over there?
October 11th, we go to one final stop on the mainland of Greece.
And I'm joined by, I can pronounce it, it's N-A-V-P-L-I-O-N.
And I would slaughter it if I tried, so I won't.
Then we got another day at sea.
Then we are in Naples, Italy, and we get to go visit the city that was buried, Pompeii, the ancient city of Pompeii, the Isle of Capri.
And then we end up, and I'm skipping through this very quickly, we end up in Rome, Italy.
So I'm telling you, this is going to be the cruise of a lifetime, or ten lifetimes.
And it's all on the Mazan.
Now listen, if you're interested in coming along, I'm going to give you the phone numbers right now, and you need to begin calling in the morning at 8 o'clock through 6 o'clock Pacific time.
From 8 o'clock in the morning through 6 o'clock Pacific time.
Now don't wait.
Do not wait.
I warn every year about this.
Every year it fills up.
And that's it.
You know, we get to get pulled up, and that will happen again this year.
And this is going to be the cruise of the lifetime.
We're going to the pyramids and much more.
And so we'll see how many.
But I'm telling you, trust me on this, you can't wait.
You've got to get going now.
I know it's a year away and it's not that far away.
But we're doing this very intentionally, early, so that we can get enough of you with us and so that we don't fill up too early.
But inevitably, that's exactly what occurs.
It has every single year.
So we'll get those numbers on later.
I just wanted to get you the information that the incredible, I'm going to call it the terrorist war.
We touched this fire terrorist hot in the Mid-East and OG.
We're going to Greece and to the pyramids, of course, in Egypt and the Greek islands and Italy and Israel.
And so I'm calling it the terrorist war.
For those who are not afraid to live life a little bit, there's danger in all of life, right?
And it hasn't stopped me yet.
I think the Communist turned I've been to what is supposed to be non-communist Russia.
Ha ha ha ha.
And on that floor, by the way, Boziovsky won't have his operation on for a while because he's not strong enough.
The power struggles going on over here right now.
And so there's that.
The debate over the debts continues.
Something's Going On Out There00:03:03
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There is significant trouble in Israel where Palestinians seem bent over the Israelis, seem bent on battling each other once again, seven dead to this hour in continuing battles, and that pretty much covers the news now.
Over the past, what would you guys say about a week?
Somebody brought up sleep paralysis.
It was like a snowball going downhill.
I can't stop.
I was unable to stop the cross.
Something's going on out there.
I've heard of sleep paralysis.
I'm not sure it's been around as long as we have, but this many people experiencing it indicates that something profound is going on.
So I was compelled to bow to the audience and say, okay, let's find out about it.
Here's the guy who will tell us about it.
He is Al Taylor.
And as I said, from a very early age, he experienced what he calls death-like night paralysis with extremely lucid dreams.
His grandfather called him witch rides.
These witch rides progress actual out-of-body experiences, ODEs, astral projection, whatever you want, or flying in the mind to distant places, traveling beyond our physical plane, spirit encourages psychic insights and healing.
He's an engineer, a scientist, and an artist.
He relates to experiences with great insight and some humor.
You've got to have a sense of humor about things, folks.
How these paranormal events have impacted his personal growth, relationships, all of this explains how the reader can experience an ODE step by step.
I've been scared to death of it.
A good friend of mine, as you know, is Daniel Brinkley, who said of Soul Traveler, which is a name of Hubbard's book.
Quote, Albert Taylor's adventures into the other dimensions affords us a way to look at life, expand, laugh some, search our soul zone, find ways to believe.
He's a must-read.
And I'm sure it does sound like it, doesn't it?
So, let us, by the way, his engineering background includes work on SDI, a real hardware kind of guy.
He was involved in NASA's International Space Station program.
So he has a serious background.
Presently working in computers, owns a company called Phoenix Computer Systems, and is some ways or another in Southern California right now.
Sleep Paralysis Revelations00:07:03
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Here is Albert Taylor.
Albert, are you there?
Yep, I am.
Well, welcome to the program.
Thank you very much.
It's great to have you.
And I can't tell you, Albert, you just, you wouldn't leave the calls that I've been getting.
Last week, sometime toward the end of the week, it began with somebody called sleep paralysis, and I couldn't stop the calls.
I go, oh, really?
Not everybody who feels it, Albert, thinks it's wonderful and great.
That scares the hell out of him, actually.
Yeah, that very much thought.
So I think a good place to begin some people and somebody on the other side can explain what it is medically.
Now, if you go to a doctor, and you say, Doctor, I wake up and I appear to be conscious.
I can hear things, I can see things, but I can't move.
Doctor, it gets terrifying.
What's happening to me?
What is a doctor probably going to tell you?
Well, since I've already done that exactly the same thing, I can tell you what my doctor said.
And first of all, I had to try to figure out how to tell her.
And I thought it kept going through my mind before she entered the office.
Well, Doc, you know, I lose control of my body at night, and I thought I thought I progression.
Well, you know, Doctor, I have concerns about being paralyzed, but back off by paranoia.
But I had to figure out how to pick up a doctor.
And she came in and she examined me, and I'm, you know, giving me a little hammer and things like that, and I'm going to have a half a bit.
You know, Doc, at night, when I go to sleep, I'm not during the middle of the night.
I wake up, and I feel completely paralyzed.
And I'm wondering if I put down a neurological problem.
And she smiled, and she looked at me, she told me about, she said, that happens to me all the time, and I'm okay, but you don't feel okay.
And I was again, and that was like the extent of it.
She didn't offer up any actual medical explanation.
I can say that I have heard a lot of medical explanation.
Oh, I heard that during the night there's a chemical that's released in the body that paralyzes the body so that you don't act out your dreams.
And I work, if you're dreaming or writing or something, you don't jump up and run out of the room.
That's what I heard.
Uh I've also heard doctors say grandma seizure.
Uh yeah, yeah, I I think I I've heard that.
And then I've heard sleep apnea.
You know, that that I think is where you uh you can sometimes uh skip heartbeats, something like that.
You mean stop breathing for a few seconds.
Uh that's right.
That's easy.
You know, like and people who snore a lot, that sort of thing.
Right.
Um so I've I've heard all those medical explanations and I knew that's what a doctor would have to say.
Right.
Somebody last night said, well what is your mother?
Well that's what a doctor is going to say at best.
Uh I wonder if the truth is that they don't really exactly know.
I think that that is exactly it.
And you know, when you talk about my paralysis um you're only talking about the peak of the iceberg because that's just the beginning.
See the doctors that you may be able to try to explain away why a person is paralyzed in the middle of the night, but then as the OBD continues or extra um out of body experience continues, they can't explain what's going on going on after that.
So when they explain to me why I can go to persons that have never been physically and identified them and looked at what's going on here was 100% accurate.
When did this sleep paralysis begin for you?
Well, it started when I was about five years old.
And see, my family is from the South.
And in the South they have a lot of superstitions.
I'm from my house myself.
In the South of California?
Well, I'm in New York.
Yeah, I was back in the South.
And my grandmother, she had the paralysis also, and so did her mother.
And there was the superstition was that the witches or witches would come and lie at you at night.
And that's why you felt paralyzed.
The witches?
You're the witches already.
So needless to say, I wouldn't wake up in the middle of the night and go running into my grandmother's room for comfort.
And I would say, Grandma, I couldn't move last night.
I felt paralyzed.
And she'd pat me on the head and said, wonderful, killed the witches alighting you last night.
Were you, I heard so many people describing me on the radio, were you awake, uh, conscious or in some new ground or not conscious or when this would occur?
I would say I was almost in a superconscious state where I was very, very much alert, very, very much aware that I was laying in my bed.
I could see the moon very clearly, and I was laughing, so that was an interesting fact, because the room should have been worried about just looking out of my normal eyes, and I could hear perfectly anything that was going on in the room.
All your senses, all your other senses, even the senses, so everything normal, everything normal, everything normal.
And that's what's so terrifying about it, because you actually feel as if there's something wrong with you, because you feel like you're normal, except you can't move your body.
And it's scary.
Another thing that occurs during the paralysis that people have problems with is you feel like you can't breathe either.
So you have a shallow breath.
Oh, that's a that's a panic situation.
Yeah, well you begin to panic.
You also sometimes people describe it as the heavy.
So you feel like your chest is very, very heavy.
Or like someone's something that's pushing you down into the bed.
But that's almost the symptom of a heart attack, isn't it?
No, because it's not painful in any way, shape, or form.
I mean, if the people are my class will say it feels like there's a fist pressing you on their chest.
Well, but that sounds painful to me.
I'm not talking about a painful heaviness.
I'm just talking about extreme gravity.
All around.
Not in not just in your chest.
Everywhere.
Yeah, like you're going through two or three genes.
That's like acceleration.
A lot of other times during the problem, people feel like they're falling backwards or falling through the bed.
And sometimes I can't start causing people to catch themselves and actually wake up out of the choralis.
Exactly.
Exactly.
That's happening.
Oh yes, that has happened.
I would have to know.
I've been touring all up and down California on our book tour, and I ask this question all the time.
The first thing I ask is have anyone talked to parallels at night, and you would be surprised that I would say at least 40% of the audience rate burned.
No, I wouldn't.
It happens a lot.
Okay, there's something that I want to ask you about.
Now, I was shocked.
I mean, really shocked at the number of calls that I'm getting.
Now, I suppose this has been going on forever, but arguably something seems to be going on now where there is more of this paralysis business.
New Age Revelations00:04:20
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Like, are you sensing that?
Yes, definitely.
Now, I think it may be one of two reasons.
The first reason is that now we're in a new age, as we call it, and we moved from an occult tackle to a category, which was very frightening to people and then had heirs of the devil or demon worship to a new age, which is real, rosy, and nice.
And people can come out of the cloud of those people and talk about these things that are happening to them more freely.
So that may be one reason.
You think it's just because people are not afraid to talk about it.
Exactly.
I found that in my own family.
Once I started writing my book, Gold Traveler, people in my own family that I've known all my life were now starting to come to me and tell me, you know, I haven't even experienced anyone anymore.
All right, well, when we come back, we're going to start to talk about what this really is.
So stay right there for a moment.
We'll be back to you.
My guest is Al Taylor.
The book, Soul Traveler.
The website can action on my web right now.
Go check it out.
www.ardell.com.
We'll be right back.
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Tonight, I'll presentation on Coastal Coast AM from September 25th, 1996.
Tell me about Coastal Ghost AM from September 25th, 1996.
Sleep paralysis.
It may be a bit more than you imagine.
My guest is Albert Taylor.
Al Taylor.
He wrote Soul Traveler.
Let me give you a hint about where we may be going.
He'll be back to him in a moment.
We took you back to September 25th, 1996.
Back now to Al or I don't know, should they call you Albert or Al?
Al It Shall Be Al.
Um I know um so many people have shared this experience with you, and I have felt uh our beginnings of it, um but I'm a kind of a control freak and it's here they're kind of me and when I have felt it I have always thought it like crazy, I mean I'm right for my life and it goes away exactly.
Now I got some other calls, then the other calls start to come in and people say, hey look, um I put my hand down or my hand felt like it was falling through the bed and others have said I felt myself rise out of my body and these are people who let it go, right?
Fear of the Unknown OBE00:15:04
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And I don't know if I could ever do that.
I mean that's really something it's like putting trust somewhere and I don't know how to do that.
Well the biggest thing that I found is fear.
Yeah, people are fear of that fear of the unknown.
Sure.
And because it feels very discomforting, I mean with the breathing, the paralysis and all of that, you know, it has to make people hold on.
I can tell you that through the experiences that I've had, and I also teach this done at the Learning Light Foundation in Amazon.
Oh, you do?
Yeah, I do have teacher a weekly class, every Thursday, 12, 12 weeks, and all of that.
But what I found out is that, and once you first of all find out what it is, and then I've worked with a lot of people, I've talked with hundreds of people, they not only stop dreading this paralysis, but they actually start looking forward to it.
They become enthusiastic about it, hoping they have a good night.
Really?
And you know what that you think about this is that it has nothing to do with your age.
I mean, my fish-year-old son experiences it, and my 24-year-old mother experiences it.
And what's interesting about my 24-year-old mother, she has this paralogue practically all her life too.
But only about 40 years ago, I shared with her what was going on, and she used some of the techniques that I listed in my book.
And the very first time she tried it, she had an out-of-body experience.
A wonderful one-you know.
Let's start with this.
Are there any dangers?
Okay, actually, that's a quick question that I get all the time.
Um and they wake up and say, can anything happen to me?
Can someone come over and take over my body?
And the answer to that is no.
Uh well, I was thinking more like, might I die?
No.
No.
And, you know, and see, this is what a lot of people don't know, is that 99% of us experience out-of-body experiences, our out-of-body experiences, every night, but only 20% of us remember.
You know, a lot of people also die in their sleep.
That's true, that's true.
But everybody has an out-of-body experience, but you know, I mean, if you take 100 people at night, and 100 people come back to the room, there's very few chances of any night being dead at that time.
I mean, everybody experiences, but only a few remember it.
And what I've done with my classes and my techniques is I've increased it to about 50%.
So all you're doing is remembering what you do normally at night.
And it's a very natural, it's not something new, that you're you're you're stepping into a new area.
It's just becoming aware of something you already do.
Right.
When I stop breathing, you already breathe.
Now that you become aware of it doesn't mean you're going to die.
But take me, for example.
I work all night long and I sleep during the day.
Just to see these different parts of the day.
And I, when I go to sleep, I want to sleep.
And frankly, sometimes when I've had very vivid dreams, I wake up feeling as though I am not rested.
In other words, if I like to go to sleep and just good night, goodbye, slice of death, see you if I wake up.
And I wake up feeling good and rested and all the rest of it.
But if I have a vivid dream, it's like I've been working.
Okay, the difference between vivid dreams and the ODE experiences is simply this.
And this is why people say, well, how do you wake up in the morning refreshed if you're doing all this traveling and flying it?
That's my guess.
The difference is when you dream, you are definitely not out of your body.
And your body moves and turns with your experiences and your thoughts and your dreams.
But when you're ODE or out-of-body, this is what I tell people.
Take a comfortable spot.
Make sure that you're very comfortable.
Because if you're out for an hour or so, your body does not move at all.
And that's why I wrote an icon magazine titled, My Body Sleeps, But I Do Not.
That's exactly what happens.
The title of your book is Soul Traveler.
So let's stop and let's ask a little bit about the nature of what is how is the soul?
What is the soul?
That's a very profound question.
I can go through a lot of theology and metaphysics to tell people that the reason I call my book Soul Traveler is because I believe that a lot of people say, well, I have a soul.
Well, I don't believe it's something that you keep in your pocket or inside your body floating around somewhere.
I believe that we are a soul.
We are death, what we claim to have.
And that's what I believe leaves the body now.
Some people may say it's the spirit.
Well, that's the same thing to me because what it is is what you are.
It's your pure consciousness.
And that's what I call the soul.
And I believe that the soul travels.
Oh, my soul does travel.
So that's why I named it soul traveler.
Is it the same immortal soul yet that we talk of in various religions in the world?
That is the soul.
Yes.
And it will go on and on and on.
And that is what leaves your body.
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
And what I tell people, see, people, see, a lot of wonderful things can happen from having out-of-body experiences.
First of all, in 1993, I had a profound ODE, which totally removed the fear of death.
I mean, completely, I do not fear death in any way, shape, or form.
I'm a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
And when I had this experience, this ODE experience, suddenly I felt as if I'm finally home.
Like, that is my natural state, and death in the physical body is a very, very temporary state.
All of a sudden, I understood who I really was, and I understood that not only would I survive death, but I would continue consciously to experience another reality, so to speak.
And this is what I tell people, if you travel out of body, that the death is your daughter's mind to get it.
That's what it feels like.
And that's the same experiences that my colleague has left who's had near-death experiences.
It is exactly like that.
That's as dead as you'll ever get.
I interviewed Daniel Berkeley.
He describes an extremely vivid near-death experience.
I don't even know if you could call it near-death.
It seems like it was death.
And so he validates what you're saying, or you're validating what he says.
Exactly.
What did you can you tell us where did you go?
What did you determine?
What did you feel and see?
And was it a material-like world or an esoteric?
Tell me.
Okay, in the beginning, in the beginning, I would just rise up out of the body and I would kill by the ceiling.
Or I would slow down to the floor and go through my house through a different room.
Or and then I started getting braver and braver until at first I didn't know what was going on.
Well then I would go, I would think about a person that me I knew and I would go to their house.
When you were again physical, I'm going to put it down to something I understand.
When you look out of your body, do you perceive that you have a body?
Um you you can see that you have what's called in some cases an astral body or like Robert Monroe that you sat out of the second body and you actually can see hands but they do not look exactly like the hands of your physical body.
They're kind of transparent.
The hand is a little bit larger than your normal hand.
It it glows slightly.
The luminescence.
And you can use these hands.
This body that you're in is just as maneuverable and you can feel and touch the fabric just like you could in the physical.
Other things you can touch it or you can penetrate through it.
Like walls, fabric, anything.
If you touch it and you can penetrate like you can penetrate through it.
Well when you say you can touch it, let's say I would go to my couch and touch my couch now in the physical world.
I will see the depression in the couch when I touch it.
Yes?
You got it correct?
All right.
Can ask for a travel.
If I touch, you say I can touch things.
You know, to touch that couch, would I see a depression?
Um I would say no, but you would feel almost every fiber of the couch more than you would if it was your physical hand.
Now, with Robert Monroe, he has actually been out of body and has pinched someone and left a physical groove on that person.
That is very rare.
Very rare.
But most people just feel the purpose and aren't able to affect it, like move objects and things like that, while LBD.
Nobody knows it with pieces of luck.
Yes, and in this book, I believe it was the first one where he described how he thought he did this out of body, but then after he returned, he called the person up and they confirmed that he actually did that.
And then he called the person later and they had a groove he talked to where he touched the person.
Is there any limits to where one may travel?
No, there isn't.
You can go anywhere you want, physical or non-physical reality.
The only limit are your own fears and limitations.
Then you should be able to prove it then.
In other words, if you can go to Egypt or Tokyo or anywhere, then you should be able to observe something in that state and it could then be verified.
Is that possible?
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
And it's happened.
And I've done that numerous times.
I've gone to friends out there that I've never been physically and come back and really written about it in detail.
And some of that is in my book.
And then call them up and started telling them what their place looked like.
Not only what the interior of their apartment looked like, but what the views were out there at the window, what the neighborhood looked like, because I was flying around the neighborhood.
Now, I can tell you, six years ago, if you would have told me this, I would have thought you were not.
I didn't just buy into this at all.
I was very, very skeptical to this whole thing.
But after proving it into myself, because basically that's all I wanted to do.
I wanted to find out what was happening with me.
Naturally.
When I started doing it, proving it to myself, then I'm investing it out to it.
I'm a researcher.
I understand.
You're in the hard sciences.
I mean, I was in NASA, you're actually in SEI and all the rest of that.
Exactly.
I've had a secret clinic for the last 20 years.
I know, you actually, it says you're performing development engineering on top secret programs like F-117 stealth.
Exactly.
Now, from Constantine, do you get from this kind of experience to soul traveling?
Well, like I said, this thing happened to me when I was five years old.
I didn't go out to get to have these experiences.
They came to me.
And all I wanted to do was understand what was going on.
Since it was happening without my control at that time, I just wanted to know, I wasn't sure it wasn't some type of neurological defect or some type of uh psychological problem, schizophrenia, or something like that.
So then I started exploring it, and I only explored it as a researcher.
I just wanted to find out, measure, and and convince myself.
Daniel started.
Daniel did exactly the same thing.
Before he began to really investigate, he went to every doctor in sight, had every testing site performed, trying to ensure there was no physical malady whatsoever, and once he was finally satisfied, then he began to skill.
Exactly.
And that's and that's what I say.
You know, skepticism is very healthy.
I don't tell people to I don't tell people that I'm here to convince you because I'm here to give you some tool that you can go out and find out for yourself.
Then you come back and say, oh my god, this is real.
How sure are you it's real?
In other words, how sure are you that it is not simply a dream state, the moving, uh, electrified synapses of your brain uh clicking away while you sleep?
How do you know it's not?
How sure am I?
Yes.
I would say 110%.
That's how sure I am.
I don't know about it at all, not just because of floating out of the body, but I've had so many interesting experiences.
See, I'll have them caught me by surprise.
And I've been removing straight to the surface of what really happens while you're OBE.
You know, there's those things that are like spirit encounters, things like that, that were to me at the time frightening.
I mean, and it was happening every night, sometimes three times a night.
And after a period of time, what's been years now, you start to believe that you experience it several times a week.
Are you able to discern in what you're out of body?
Are you able to discern between that which you observe in the physical world and say an encounter with another traveler?
Oh, definitely.
You know, this is what's interesting about traveling OBE because, see, as you talked about it before, you're in the spirit body or in the soul body, and you have far more awareness than you do right now, the physical body.
You're open to a lot of things, and you understand a lot of things.
And there's some things that you just know.
You just need to fight almost like tapping into Dr. Joseph Murphy called it, Universal Consciousness.
They have those psychics too.
They just know things, and they don't, they're not really fucking busy because they're very sure inside.
And that's what happens while you're OBE.
And I'm looking at your consciousness opens up, and you just understand a lot of things that will baffle you in the physical.
Do you remember a movie called Summer in Time?
Um, was that the chapter one?
No, no.
Christopher Reese.
It was a story, it was a really love story.
It was a story about travel in time.
And it was about this man who fell in love with this image of a woman.
And I mean sick love, just absolutely in love.
And he wanted to be with her.
So he isolated himself in a hotel room and took away every object that would be reminiscent of the 20th century.
Was anything wearing this room?
Yes, sir, I remember.
All right, maybe you're wearing love.
He is what was depicted in that motion picture.
Now, he traveled in time.
Is that possible?
Yes, it is possible.
As a matter of fact, I'm only just in the physical plane.
There is no time when you're out of body.
You can have an experience that feels like three hours and may only happen in five minutes.
Time is a function, time is a function of physical world.
Correct, correct.
And people, this is the warning I give people.
I don't give a lot of warnings about this.
But one of the warnings I do give is that because it's very real, it's not a segment of your imagination.
Especially if you go forward in time.
You go forward in time and you may see something and something you may not like.
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And when you come back to the physical, you'll have to deal with it.
And you may even see this particular thing begin to manifest.
So that's why I tell people, be kind of very careful.
Because once you know, you will have to live with it.
What then are we able to discern about the nature of time?
In other words, if you go forward in time and see something that is already occurring, then you see it begin to manifest.
Can you change it?
I would say in some cases you can, but in other cases, because this is what this we're not going through life or this existence on earth united, we are all here.
This is this we are all here for reference.
And some experiences have to occur for us to gain or to evolve that individual spirit.
So there's some things that you're not going to be able to change.
And it doesn't do a lot of philosophy about karma and things like that.
But there are some things that are going to manifest.
Some things you can change.
But there are some things that you can and you will have to deal with them.
Anyway.
Interesting.
It confuses me then about the nature of time.
In other words, are things predestined?
You're saying sometimes they are.
Well, yes, sometimes.
Some things have to occur.
Not only do they have to occur, you agree to let them occur.
Or you agree to have this experience.
So, because I because, see, we're not just talking about the individual.
And I want to go into this.
When you get out of the body, you'll find some in Gothic beliefs they'll call them guardian angels.
In metaphysical circles, they'll call them our guides.
So these guys are guarding angels are kind of guiding you through experiences that you agreed to have prior to coming here.
Where these things are going to manifest.
What are these entities?
Well, like I said, depending on your belief, and if you're in your religious belief, you may call them angels.
You may call them free guiding spirits.
In metaphysical circles, they'll call them guides, masters, helpers.
What do you call them?
I call them guides.
The thing is that although many other names, it's not a statement.
And they still are going to perform the same job they would no matter what you call them.
And their job is for your higher good.
And it's not something they take up, it's something that they're helping you to accomplish that you agree to do.
Do you believe that we need successive physical lifetimes?
You mean reincarnation beyond?
Oh, definitely.
Definitely.
And I didn't believe this six years ago.
I didn't even believe it four years ago.
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But definitely, through the out-of-body experience and the other non-physical realities that I have this day, it'll slowly open my mind to this, I mean, open my understanding to what we really are.
We're very, we're kind of.
And we then, and this is wonderful because if you think about it, to me, life without reincarnation is on a stage frame with only one act.
There just isn't enough time for character development.
That's a great line.
All right.
Listen out, relax, take it easy.
We'll come back and open up back to the top of the house.
Great.
All right.
My guest is Albert Taylor, Altayler.
He has authored a book called Soul Traveler.
He also has a webpage.
If you would like to see a webpage and your computer tonight, we've got a link up for you tonight.
Simply go on to www.rtel.com and jump right across.
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Well, you asked for it, so here it is.
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My guess is Al Taylor.
He's written a book called Soul Traveler.
That gives you an idea of where we're going and where you may be going.
He had it as a young server.
This man was an engineer.
He worked on SDI.
He worked on the stealth programme.
He owns a computer company.
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Back to Al Taylor, who wrote Soul Traveler.
It's all about this sleep paralysis thing, but so much more.
And Albert, I'm going to hit you with the hard stuff first.
Can I do that?
Here, here it comes.
Might as well dispense with it right now.
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It sounds like he's locked into the OBD so much, he's no longer an objective observer or researcher.
Guides, helpers, watchers, or whatever you call them, could be part of the end time deception.
Sounds like he no longer can tell the difference.
Signed Bob.
And this, of course, is the religious angle.
And they see you as a new wavy, kind of touchy-feely person.
And they see you possibly as, you know, on the dark side.
And now, how do you answer that?
Well, all I can say is that I'm the middle of the road, that person I don't say.
I'm a researcher.
I do not depth.
I don't jump to conclusions.
And I have absolutely no information that could suggest that something is negative going on.
If I did, I would definitely pay attention to it.
But as I say, right at this moment, out of all the experiences I've had, I've had a hundred, I have absolutely no information showing that something negative is going on.
Do you remember the movie Slack Linus?
Yeah.
They um they induced clinical death to determine what was on the other side.
That occurs naturally that people with monotonic strokes, you know, near death, right?
Um when they leave their body, uh or when they left their body in those clinical uh experiments, uh which could be done in their world of course, meaning uh would they be going through the same process that you go through when you leave your body in soul travel?
Uh not exactly.
That would be more like if if you could if you could do that or if someone would do that, that would be more like a controlled near-death experience.
And in a near-death experience, you don't have uh options on where to go.
Generally you come out of the body to go to a trauma and have to go into the body or if you want to stop the heart.
And you may have to go around the body for a few minutes.
You may even move around in different locations, but eventually you're drawn into a trauma or you go and transition to a non-physical reality and have experiences with the light or Jesus or whatever, depending on your belief, whatever type of uh uh entity or angelic being that might be there.
But you seem to have experiences with dead bones.
Yeah, that's and see the thing is during the near-death experience, you're drawn there and during the out-of-body experience.
You choose to go there, which is a big difference.
Otherwise you choose to go there and you can choose to come back line.
I assume you have far more control.
Far more.
Alright, let's say that I'm and this is going to be the majority of the audience.
So I'm Albert, um I'm interested.
I have this sleep paralysis.
It's been occurring.
It's been bothering me.
It's been scaring the hell out of me.
And I decided to take your advice.
And I come to you, Albert, and I say, all right, look, I'm willing to give it a try.
It's been scaring me.
This sounds interesting.
How do I do it?
Okay.
Well, the first thing I would say, you know, in my book, in chapter 14, I dedicated the whole entire chapter on how to do it.
And I also dedicate a portion of the chapter on how to induce the paralysis.
In case you don't, you know, you want to make it happen with it.
A lot of people once they find out what it is, they do.
But what I say is first when I explain what the paralysis is and when and what it is and what it is not.
First of all, it's not a defect.
It's not a neurological problem or something like that or a breathing problem.
What it is right now, as we're awake in the physical world, we're doing our spirit and our body are very tightly connected.
But in the sleep, during sleep, when we go to sleep, the body falls asleep and as it does, it kind of releases its grip on the spirit.
But the spirit hasn't moved anywhere, or the actual form hasn't moved anywhere you're consciousness.
You're disconnected from the physical, but you haven't transitioned from the body.
So you feel as if I can't move.
But you're very, very aware.
And the thing you have to do is that you go from trying to move the physical body to moving the spiritual body or actual form.
And once you make that transition, then all you have to do is think about and actually label in your consciousness on your mind a lot to flow upward.
And sometimes, well, when you do that, generally you begin to laugh about the body.
But sometimes without you even requesting it, you begin to laugh about the body.
No matter what you're scary.
I was listening to you.
I imagine where you are conducting a tour that you're moving from.
And you're telling me this is scary.
I wake up kind of.
But I've not yet tried.
You and I may just feel yourself and you can do this simply by when paralysis sets in, you mean consciously wishing it to be so.
Well, the first thing you have to do is you'll be able to fork in the world where you'll want to panic and feel fearful thoughts and want to come back and want to take a deep breath.
And it takes practice and it's very difficult.
You just have to let go.
And that's hard because when you start letting go, real physical reality, physical sensations like breathing and being aware of the room begin to slip away almost like a mini death.
Oh, that is scary.
It's you know, it's more discomforting than anything.
But once you transition that period, all of a sudden you're totally disconnected and you feel you feel free, right, and you have a whole new awareness of your being.
Are you are you a wonderful thing?
What are the what are the physical sensations?
For example, once you're free, once you're out, are you still breathing?
Um no.
Well you can't do you you know you don't lose complete contact with the physical body.
It's not like you're detached completely and you have no awareness of it.
You feel very much connected.
You can sense how you're breathing, you can sense how you're doing, that type of thing.
But no, you don't you don't breathe in the absolute thought.
You can you can think it, think that you are, but you're not breathing in the afterthought.
All right, I'm thinking we're beyond.
Meanwhile, I wanted to tell you kind of just some of the things that you hear experience doing.
A lot of people hear a buzzing sound.
Yes, oh yes.
Yes, yes, yes.
Electrical sound.
Absolutely.
You may hear a roaring wind like there's a a loud, loud noise going on inside of your head.
What is that?
The beginning of the paralysis?
The beginning of the disconnection process.
Or you may hear a whistle or a high-pitched tone.
Or you may see a box of light shoot across your eye, like in front of your vision.
And these are just warnings that are indications.
Immutations.
And this is the point, believe me, where most of this panic.
Panic and gets more fearful and then have to reconnect and most of us do.
That's right.
And because we don't know what's beyond, we generally a lot of us don't get to experience that.
But once you do, you be definitely look forward to the experience.
You relish it, as a matter of fact.
Alright, let's back up just a little because let's ground this.
Suburban!
Some of them worked, some of them moderately worked, some of them didn't work at all.
But what I found out about that, I call it the IST.
What I found out about the IST, if you do it correctly, like I will do my talk in chapter 14, it will work approximately for the average person about 8 out of 10 nine, which is phenomenal.
And what that is, and then a lot of people will be able to relate to this because they do it then without knowing.
What you do is you go to sleep about maybe 10 o'clock at night and you set your alarm and wake up about 1.30.
And when the alarm goes off, you get out of bed.
You don't just drop the alarm and lay there.
You get out of bed and go watch television, read a book.
That's fine.
But I'll find you as long as you stay at the floor.
But don't eat.
You can drink water.
Don't eat anything.
Because the body uses energy to process food.
So then when you go back to sleep about maybe 3.30, 4 o'clock, don't do this on the day you want to go to work.
Right?
And when you lay down, then just do a whatever.
There's a moment visual relaxation technique you can do.
I look everywhere in my book.
But basically what you want to do is just try to relax every muscle in your body.
You start one at a time from the top of your head and then move down your body all the way to your CSTs relax.
Oh, I know about that.
I'm a lot of sleep troubles, Hollywood.
And one way to get to sleep, I found, is to close your eyes if you meditate.
And if nothing else works, you think of your finger, relax your finger, you may relax the rest of your fingers, and every time you relax your arm and consciously work.
I've done that.
Together.
What happens is, is while you're going through this process and you're just laying there, don't move.
And you have to have to try not to move.
What will happen is, and this is a really phenomenal, your body will fall asleep, but your consciousness will stay wide awake.
And suddenly you find yourself in that cloud of state.
And you may even hear your body snoring.
And that's when you really become aware that you're something a little different than the body.
Oh, that's weird.
You may hear yourself.
You just use your body like you use school code.
Oh, yeah, if you hear yourself snoring in your conscious, I would say there's been some sort of separation.
Definitely, definitely.
But you're still not really at that point out of your body.
You're just sort of separated from your physical self.
Correct.
Correct.
And you're occupying, you're still occupying the same state as your physical body.
But now in time, once you disconnect from the physical, then it's time to switch over your thinking and focus your thoughts on moving the eyeballs on or the session body of Robert Monroe called it.
I was lucky to have interviewed Robert before he died.
And we had a long discussion about the different levels of dimensional or different levels of hierarchy.
Do you agree with that aspect of the book?
100%.
You do.
Definitely.
Robert Monroe, to me, was my mental, even though I never got a chance to meet him.
He died two months before my book was finished.
I had not finished it to them.
Thankfully, I was having these experiences and they were fighting me.
I mean, notice that I was so afraid the first time I had the experience that I jumped up out of the bed and I came out all the way in the house.
I was here.
I was scared.
But when I started reading Robert's book, I started finding things in there that were happening to him that were happening to me.
And that was a validation for me.
Because then I knew what I was, not just me, not me having some kind of defect or something wrong with me.
Here's someone else talking about the exact same thing.
And that's why I wanted to write my book in very simple tongues so anybody could understand something that was happening to them.
Not to convince them that I'm not involved in you, but to say that you do, and then you may not even know it.
Do you have any idea, or would you take a guess at why so many people suddenly are beginning to have this?
Now you mentioned earlier, well, more people are willing to talk about it now.
You have a cause of this.
Yeah, yeah, for the other coach.
But is it possible that something else, something bigger is going on?
Well, I would say yes.
I would say that we, as a race of humans, are becoming more spiritual.
We are waking up to the reality of what we really are and what the capability of the phone is.
And there it is.
Yes, it is a new age.
It's almost like a power wave.
And we all are becoming more involved, and we're all having more and more of these types of experiences.
Not just our body experiences, but clear planes, clear audio, and experience counters.
Are you able to heal the body?
Do you have trouble with all about that?
So we're all kind of evolving together.
And now these things are starting to manifest.
More and more.
Have you done any, you know, your background is in science.
So have you, scientists like to do things.
They like repeatability.
Yes.
And with regard to ODE, how do you feel?
What's your best evidence for those who are standing back right now and saying, oh, come on?
Well, my best evidence is describing physical tests that I've never did.
Physically.
And deciding them not with approximate detail or 50% detail, but 100% detail.
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And doing it over and over again.
That's a me, no matter what you want to call it, something is occurring.
You make claims that sound like those made by those who claim to be able to do remote viewing.
Is there a relationship?
Okay, well, remote viewing is a little bit different from actual traveling or having an ODE.
Remote viewing is almost like if you have to view a room, it's almost like you are a camera up in a corner of the room or in a particular fixed location where you can view the room.
Having an ODE is like physically being there, where you can move around the room and you feel like you're walking or floating or flying or you can catch options.
So I'm here that you're there.
Alright, we'll be right back.
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Dear, please ask Mr. Taylor if in his travels he's observed or gained knowledge of things relating to what I call, Art Bell calls, the quickening.
We've had a lot of people on this program in the past talk about earth changes, disasters, things that are yet to come, and that there may be a future of rather immediate disruption, Al, some pretty awful things coming.
And you said it was the single warning that you give people if you travel to the future, you may see something you don't like at all.
See, that I haven't done as far as what I did see had to do with my life.
And, you know, I belong to the International Association of Near Death Studies, like I mentioned before, which is IANS.
And if you've read a lot of books by the people, Betty Eady, Kimberly Clark Sharp, Hushi Hanta, and a few other people, you'll read that a lot of people have near-death and then come back psychic.
The out-of-body experiences I've had aren't quite like that.
But see, what I noticed is that a lot of these people dwell on doom and gloom.
And they predict all these catastrophes and things like that.
And me personally, I don't see any reason to tell a person that horrible things are going to happen unless you can do something about it.
I know, I mean, it doesn't take a psychic person to realize what we're doing to the environment and to our world and our planet and things like that.
And we need to clean up our act in a lot of ways.
And a lot of it is environmental and how we treat Mother Earth.
So I can tell you, if we progress on the path that we've gone, it's inevitable that something disastrous is going to occur.
But I have not seen this psychically, because like I said, all the experiences I've seen in the future, and I don't want to do that anymore.
I don't do that because I don't want to do that to myself.
But what I can say is that, you know, sizely, what I did see had to do with my own personal life, which actually manifested, and I had to deal with it.
So having to deal with it, which was very difficult for me, that's why I tell people, just be prepared because you may not see what's going to happen in Russia.
You may see what's going to happen right in your own home.
That's harder to deal with than what may be happening over on the other side of the world.
As a matter of fact, I was sitting in an IANS meeting recently, and there were a bunch of, you know, these people who've had near-death experience who are psychic, and they were saying there's going to be volcanic eruptions, there's going to be tidal waves, earthquakes, and all that.
And I raised my hand, and I said, excuse me, can I say something?
And they said, sure, Al.
And I said, you know, the worst thing that could possibly ever happen to us is that we all end up in a permanent out-of-body state.
And that's not really that bad.
So that's how I look at it.
It doesn't matter what happens, you're still going to survive.
So that which came before me is, in essence, dead.
If the consciousnesses that came prior to me are not able to manifest themselves and think consciously or be aware, I don't know how we define what that is.
I'm aware.
Then those prior lives are no consciousness.
No, no, I wouldn't say of no use because, you know, I understand karma, but they are not conscious in the sense that we experience consciousness now.
Certainly I have no conscious recollection of memories from a prior life.
Well, beyond the physical, while flying around, this was something that's really interesting that happened is I felt drawn to this, and I will call it a state of consciousness rather than a place, because it's really a state of consciousness, where I felt pulled there.
So after I arrived at this place, and I call it a meeting place because I have no other name for it, and I would say there were a multitude of beings, entities.
I didn't know exactly what they were.
My aunt passed away in Cedar Sidney Hospital of cancer in 1982.
I saw this being, entity, whatever you want to call it, that resembled my aunt dramatically.
And I doubted it.
I just thought this can't be her.
She died.
I was a pallbearer at her funeral.
But I could not deny that this person, if anybody looked like her and felt like her, it was her.
And I panicked.
I thought, I've got to get out of here.
So I left.
The same feeling happened, this very same occurrence happened two days later where I was drawn to the same location.
I saw the same entity.
But this time the entity approached me.
And through sharing, and see, you don't talk to each other.
You share thought forms.
And through sharing these thought forms and consciousness, I began to understand.
And first of all, I identified her immediately.
And another thing that happened is that I've been afraid of spirits all my life.
I say I'm a product of Hollywood.
So I've seen every horror movie there possibly could exist.
But through sharing this experience with my aunt as a deceased entity or whatever, it calmed my fear.
And I suddenly identified more with who she was, what was happening to her.
And I realized that I'm not very different from her, except I have a place to go back to.
I have a body.
But in essence, when I die, or when I'm in that state, I'm just like her.
But yes, to your first question, it could have been.
Because you can do that.
You can come, matter of fact, you can come to any, first of all, you can go to anyone's bedroom, and you can actually pull them out of body, where they actually feel you tugging on them, and you can cause them to have an OBE.
But yes, there aren't any limitations, but you can actually do that.
So you can go to another person's, if you have the capability of traveling OBE, you can go to anyone's house and you can interact with them while they're in the dream state.
If you had the capability of traveling OBE, yes, you could.
But I would say out of all the people that I know who have done, who have the capabilities, because I'm definitely not alone, they aren't focused in that direction at all.
And this is something that I tell people, when you're out of body, you don't think the same as we do now.
You don't think about the carnal things and material things like you would now.
You're thinking a little bit higher, having a little bit higher awareness and consciousness of what you are.
Well, I'd say anything that is unknown, frightening, terrifying, that type of thing could, to some people, because we're all different, could possibly affect you in the physical or psychologically.
But like I said, I've been out hundreds of times, and I know a lot of people have, and I teach it all the time, and I talk about creating these things.
And I talk about your own fears are what you really have to overcome, because your own fears are creating negative situations, sometimes create negative situations for you.
And what I tell people is once you start understanding this, you can have what I call a contamination-free out-of-body experience.
That way you're not introducing all these thought forms and negative things into your experience.
And you can have a wonderful out-of-body experience with not only just flying around, if that's what you want to do, but with angelic beings.
Like I said, you're so enthusiastic about the capability of flying.
You're not thinking about the material stuff like going to spy on Russia to see what kind of secret documents they have in their files or going to sneak into somebody's bedroom to see what they're doing.
You're not thinking about that at all.
You could if you really want to focus on that.
But because you're so enthusiastic about flying, it's like buying a new car.
You're going to drive the car all over the place.
You're not going to want to stop and go shopping.
You're going to want to drive because you're so enthusiastic about having the new car.
When we come back from the top of the hour, I'm going to open the phone lines, which have been blazing away since the instant we began, but I felt like we had to get a good grounding here to understand what we're talking about.
And as a matter of fact, you don't need the astral body.
See, Robert Monroe slipped out of the second body, and I have too.
And you can exist, and you can exist as a pinpoint of consciousness or in your light body, which is your natural state.
You don't need the astral form, but it provides, but see, if you went from a physical reality to a non-physical reality, like a pinpoint of consciousness, you'd be so disoriented, you probably would panic.
So the astral form is like a security blanket in itself because you feel like you're normal.
Is this, you know, normally we'd say don't try this at home.
I think we're saying now this is something you can try at home.
Could somebody, from listening to you tonight, somebody who's been having sleep paralysis, after hearing what you've had to say and will say, could they try it based on that moment?
She did it and had a wonderful experience with her guardian angel.
That's what she calls it.
And she's still very, very enthusiastic about it, and she's lived her whole life with this paralysis dreading it up until four years ago.
Now she loves it.
So yes, if someone goes to sleep tonight and they find themselves in the paralysis, if you can remember not to panic and if you can remember not to try to fight your way out of it and let go and just relax and think about floating upward, I'd say 99% of the time you will have a wonderful eye-opening experience.
Is that when it will begin or is there a further period of kind of panicked, hard-to-breathe, paralyzed state you've got to go through before it begins?
In answer to nights and nights and nights of questions from my audience about sleep paralysis, I have found Albert Taylor.
He has written a book called Soul Traveler.
From a very early age, he had death-like night paralysis, sleep paralysis.
This is a man who worked on the SELT F-117 project, a man who worked on SDI, a scientist, a man who began to research what was happening to him from childhood and now has found that it was the key, is the key, to what's called OBE or out-of-body travel, spirit travel, whatever you want to call it.
An interesting background, a fascinating man, a fascinating topic.
Many, many of you experiencing it.
We're going to go to the lines.
We've done two hours of setup.
If you're just joining the show, you'll have to kind of hang in there with us.
And we'll get back to Albert Taylor in a moment.
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Now we take you back to the night of September 25, 1996, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
If you would like to see more about Albert Taylor and about soul travel and about his book, Soul Traveler, you can go to my website and we've got an immediate link to jump over to his if you are a computer type.
Simply go up to my website at www.artbell.com, www.artbell.com.
If you would like to get Mr. Taylor's book.
You are not an easy guy to get hold of.
And I really have been trying very, very hard to find somebody of your caliber to talk on the subject.
It's not easy.
And I was sort of panicked over the last few days getting all these calls.
And I'm not an expert in this area.
You are, and I've already learned a very great deal.
Let's take some calls and see what people have to say, all right?
And some people nickname that experience the heavies.
And I mentioned that, you know, not everyone's going to get all of the symptoms.
Not everyone's going to feel the vibes.
Not everyone's going to hear the roaring.
Not everyone's going to feel the falling back through the bed or the heaviness.
But any one of those is a great indication that you're having these experiences.
Some people travel out of body and never even experience the paralysis like the gentleman who studied in Tibet was saying.
But do know this, that you definitely, if you can say yes or yes to one or two or three of the questions that I've asked the people, know that you are having these experiences and embrace it.
It's a wonderful thing and feel lucky about it.
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It's so terrifying.
You know, I mean, my whole life I've been so interested in the ODE thing and all kinds of psychic phenomenon and the whole world of the sickness.
I like to tell my little kitten story for those of you who are cat lovers out there.
It's just like this.
It's like when you bring a cat home from the pound or something like that, and you let it loose in your house, and it runs around your house, and it finally gets very used to being indoors.
But one day you have to go out to the curb to wait for the UPS man.
And you leave the door open, and you go out there to the curb.
You know cats how curious they are.
They're going to come to the door and they're going to look out the door and think, wow, this is a whole new world out there I didn't know anything about.
But when the UPS man drives up, the rumbling of the truck, it's going to frighten the cat because it's not familiar with it.
It's going to run back in.
But eventually it's going to come right back to the door and look outside and realize, well, there's no threat now.
Nothing's hurt me.
And it's going to step out into the porch and eventually it's going to step out into the shrubbery near the door.
And after a few days of doing this, the cat is going to be down the street and you won't be able to find it.
And that's exactly what we do.
The more and more I would come to the door, sometimes I'd hear the rumbling.
Sometimes I'd see something and I'd panic and run back in.
But then I'd realize nothing happened to me.
So I'd go further and further, and the further I would go, the more I would understand, and the more confidence I would build so it allowed me to even go even further.
So just take it a little bit at a time.
You don't have to run run into it.
And if you feel fear, it's perfectly normal because it's fear of the unknown.
But realize that you are safe.
Nothing is going to happen to you.
You're not going to die.
You're not going to be tortured by some demonic being.
You are okay.
It's okay.
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I just want to know that I'm not going to have to wake up every night and make a pot of coffee.
Well, listening to him, you know, and see, I hear a lot of people describe their experiences.
And a lot of times they will say something like, like the caller just said, a dark force.
And see, see, I'm a researcher, and I'm a middle-of-the-road person, and from what I heard from him, there's really no indication that it's a negative thing.
He may have perceived it that way.
And that's okay if that's the way you want to perceive it.
But because we're talking about perception, you could also perceive it as a positive thing.
Just because you don't know what it is doesn't necessarily mean that it's something dark or negative.
I had an episode of sleep paralysis last night, as a matter of fact.
And I was laying on my side, and I was totally conscious through all of this because I was watching the clock radio digital clock next to my bed.
I was timing how long this was going to last because it was the first time I was actually conscious through something like that.
And my first response was to fight it, to try to move my body to try to jump out of bed so it would go away.
The more I tried, the harder it was.
And so I finally decided to let go and to see what would happen.
As soon as I said, okay, I'm going to let go.
As soon as I let go, I started, you know, I was hearing this noise, very loud noise, like somebody was spraying a water hose onto the side of a tin bar in a whole bunch of things.
Now, one thing that I have found is that, and this is another warning that I give people, and I don't give many, just a couple, is that while out of body, if you experience a higher consciousness of who you are, all of a sudden, I mentioned that earlier, that all of a sudden I realized that that was my home.
That was my natural state.
And when I came back to the body, I have to tell you now how it is now, I'm permanently homesick.
I always think about it because it's a wonderful feeling.
So that may be something you may have to deal with.
It's just the euphoria feeling or the wonderful lightness and well-being that you feel while out-of-body, you almost crave it.
That's about the only warning I would say.
But you don't have to worry about not being able to return or being drawn away by something beyond something supernatural that keeps you from returning.
You don't have to worry about that at all.
In fact, the best thing to do is try to get rid of all your fears.
Well, this is a very natural part of our existence, and it's a very wonderful thing.
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I was absolutely afraid to go back to sleep last night.
As a matter of fact, I stayed up all morning and fled through all of my classes.
But yeah, I stayed up all night.
But after listening to the show so far, it's a bit comforting, and I think I will go to sleep tonight.
And I'm almost looking forward to it happening again just so that I have the opportunity to let myself go further than I did last night.
The Monroe Institute, I say they have done about the most extensive research that I can think of regarding altered states of consciousness, because that's basically what we're talking about.
If you wanted to, they have, I believe there's website information, or you can write to the Monroe Institute if you want to explore that.
Some people, see, there's numerous ways to achieve an out-of-body.
Not everybody is going to go to sleep at night and have an OBE.
See, there's different ways.
There's sensory deprivation chambers where you're floating in the salt water, and you can have an altered state, or you can have an OBE in that state.
You know, and this is what's kind of remarkable, Art, is that even joggers who've jogged in the LA Marathon, while jogging, they get into this pattern, this rhythm.
I don't harp on this as much because everybody is different, but I can say this.
While out of body, you have incredible capability.
I mean, you have to find out what you are, but you have the capability to send healing energy to your body.
And I would say this, now, whatever way you want to explain it, here it is five years later, absolutely no eye jitter, absolutely no equilibrium problems.
I am not in a wheelchair.
I drive fine, and I haven't had any repeat attacks of MS whatsoever.
I want to touch on something you sort of touched on a moment ago.
Then we'll go right back to the lines, and that is this, apparently, once you if you're able to give in and begin to do it, is such a joyful experience, is there some little danger that you'll get out there and won't want to come back.
No, no, you'll be recalled no matter how long you want to stay out.
You eventually will be recalled and you might come back so fast that you may feel like as if you've dropped from the ceiling or been slammed into your body.
See, then, that to me doesn't sound like the paralysis that I'm talking about.
This is like something else.
Because the paralysis that I'm talking about, all it takes is for someone to touch you or a loud noise or for you, like I said, to concentrate on moving a small part of your body to completely 100% reconnect.
If you are awake and you've had this paralysis and you wake up and you're still partially paralyzed, I would say that's definitely or more of a medical problem.
I'm not a doctor.
It definitely doesn't sound like the paralysis I'm referring to.
Okay, if it's a loud shrieking sound, see, it generally manifests in a high-pitched sound or a roaring of the wind or a roaring sound or a water sound or a musical note or the buzzing.
And this is what's interesting is a lot of, and it goes into a lot of detail, is that when you achieve that ultra state or disconnect from the physical, you are very aware of people's thoughts.
And if you think about if every if you had 100 people in a room and they were all talking at the same time, it would be this horrific noise that you would not be able to understand.
And a lot of times, Robert Monroe, I think he called it the in-band noise.
A lot of times you hear thoughts.
I mean, and it can be incredible and loud.
I think that's pretty much possibly what the person may be experiencing.
And I'm taking a little bit different bent than you are.
I was a Catholic monk trained in Tibetan meditation for many years.
I'm no longer religious, but I come from basically religious and now into the scientific.
So I'm kind of looking at it differently.
We were trained that there is no physical paralysis.
If you can, you've heard of that phrase, mind over matter, where we were trained soul over mind over matter.
And what the word that you used, this reconnection, we were taught that that's exactly what it is, but I think you're looking at it from a scientific perspective in that when you are in a relaxed state, and believe me, I agree with about 95% of everything you say.
When you're in this relaxed state, whether it's at night or sleeping or through meditation, this soul comes out or you come into this soul state.
And when you become conscious that you're in this soul state, you are, we're basically a physical being, and that's a mental and physical being, and you try to get your soul to control your physical, and you can't do it because that connection is not there.
The soul cannot tell the physical body to move.
So when you use the word paralysis, I think, you know, it's a catchy word, but when you, it's a negative word in that you can't move, there's negativity there.
Really, if you have this understanding that you're going into this soul state, then you don't have that fear.
And that's what we were trained.
And I'm a little bit nervous because I'm not used to talking on the phone, but can you see it a little bit from my perspective?
So to be able to tell or talk to this person about the experience that they're having, I think paralysis seems to be a kind of a universal word that people understand.
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I agree.
But I think that if you interject the eye, instead of an understanding that it's more of a soul state that they don't have to worry about.
And my portfolio, I'd say 50% of the artwork in my portfolio came to me in dreams and altered states.
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Interesting.
Yeah.
Well, the reason I brought that up is that, you know, as I said, mind over, excuse me, soul over mind over matter.
We were taught that when you get through meditation, when you get to this state of soul, of that you, we had priceless pieces of artwork at the Abbey where I was.
And as you probably know, being an artist, when you draw something, you as an artist are taking the essence like out of a tree and you're mixing it with your soul and then you're putting the essence of the tree, your interpretation of the essence of the tree and your soul on the canvas.
And so that's there forever.
Your soul and the essence of the tree are there.
Well, we were taught how to go out of this in this altered state to the soul state of ourselves and then go into the artwork to join with the soul of the artist and the essence of the tree.
Well, you know, I didn't know that's what I was doing, but I would say it came so naturally that I didn't have to think about it.
I just would get these visions and pictures in my head of scene, and I would just feel compelled to draw them.
I drew the cover at work at one of the major aerospace companies in Southern California.
It came to me right in the middle of doing something that was related to my job, and I had to stop everything I was doing and draw the cover of the book.
And I would sit there concentrating and examining these stupid spackles on the ceiling, and I would begin to feel, I could actually begin to feel the beginning of an altered state.
Well, you know, basically, Art, when you begin to meditate and achieve an altered state, what you're doing is you're quieting the mind.
And when you quiet the mind, it is helpful to focus in on one specific thing.
And as you do, and that's what you were doing.
You were looking at this possibly one or two bumps on the ceiling.
I tell people that you can also do the same thing and have something manifest where you have an actual experience by focusing on maybe the number one or a triangle or a square or a circle, just something very, very simple.
Because like I said, when you quiet the mind, you do have these ultra states or these experiences.
And if you think about it, an altered state of consciousness is sort of a hypnotic trance or something.
I would say yes, definitely.
Something I want to mention, Art, because there's a lot of people out there who are having OBEs or are close to having them and aren't aware of the clues and symptoms.
And I want to mention a few things that people will maybe able to relate to.
And I ask this in all my lectures that I do up and down the coast and into various places in the country.
One of those is that if you fly in your dream, whether you think you're really having a flying dream or not, that is a clue that you may be having an OBE or close to one.
Another one, one of the callers mentioned vibration.
See, being in Southern California, all of us feel vibrations out here.
But this is more like an oscillation where it's steady.
And that's a clue.
Another one is if you hear the loud noises that we spoke of, the buzzing or the roaring.
Another one is the paralysis.
And this is something that I wasn't aware of and scared me to death.
But a lot of people have heard their names being called right before drifting off to sleep or right in the morning when they're about to wake up.
And this is the last one that may be a clue, is if you wake up twice.
Now, that means you wake up, you think you're awake, and you may even go to the bathroom or walk around the house or fall out of the bed and then suddenly realize that you never did any of these things, that you were really sleeping.
I've heard some similar stories where people have gone and experienced things with a child or their mother or a dead aunt or whatever.
You know, guys come, guys are there for you, but they don't always present themselves exactly as you would think.
I guess if they feel that they are a male entity or female, they may present themselves to you as a child, so you feel less threatened, so you feel comfortable.
And, you know, that happens quite often.
And the fact that it manifested physically by healing you also tells me that it's possibly an angel kind of encounter or a guy type of thing.
Or it could be something, someone who is that, you know, because I believe in reincarnation.
Or it could be a soulmate of yours that is still on the other side, that is caring for you or loves you and is able to help you.
You know, I've heard that, but to me, seeing that I have done it so many times, I mean, not just once, not just twice, not even just 50 times, so many times, and none of those things, negative things have happened, I can only share with someone some experience that I've had.
And I haven't had anyone try to take my body.
I would say this, though, that all spirits you meet aren't forthright and all-knowing and angelic.
Of course, they're going to have their human personalities and traits, and they may try to play games with you or something like that.
But you've got to realize that you're no more defenseless.
I was so excited to turn on the show tonight and find out what the topic is.
It's something that I've been experiencing since I was about 16 years old.
And you can't really talk to your friends about it.
You know, I've spoken to my husband several times, and sometimes he raises an eyebrow, and I've kind of cut that a little bit.
But I've been having OBEs since I was about 16, like I said, a couple times a month, and I wasn't quite sure what to do with them, and sometimes you get scared, and I didn't know a lot about it.
And I want to say, too, I do have a couple questions, but I do want to tell people that many times I've had the dreaded paralysis also.
Scared the bejeebies out of me.
And sometimes I'd go straight through, and sometimes I would just be caught in that paralysis.
And I really didn't know how they were connected.
And then I started reading about astral projection and trying to get some answers.
And I read the most important thing.
I read that when the paralysis happens, calm down.
Instead of trying to fight it, and you get frantic and you want to wake up and you want to move something and it gets crazy, relax.
And now, like I said, this was about six months ago that I actually was to the point where I can control it, that I really could just calm myself down and go through.
And one interesting thing, I've not had the paralysis since.
And I don't know if that's that I just now maybe.
I just go through and sometimes when I go to sleep I try to concentrate and I actually feel myself going there and I get really excited and I go calm down, calm down, and I just, and I just slip right through and there I am.
When you feel excited, your heart starts beating up oh, yeah and yeah, that usually keeps you grounded yeah, and then when you calm down, then you release, no, no offense Al, but no offense Al.
Yes, actually, one more comment is that the best time seems to be during light sleep for me when I when I wake up in the morning and I can doze off for just a few minutes and it happens then or for a quick nap in the afternoon.
I sometimes go in, lay down for a quick nap.
I go right there, fly around for a while, come back.
It's amazing.
And one thing I wanted to ask, a couple quick questions, is I can do what I call being in both worlds.
And is that unusual?
I'll be flying, which is my favorite thing to do.
It's just the most amazing thing.
And I'll hear the trash truck out front.
Right.
And I'm lying there while I'm flying, and I go, oh, and I curse the trash truck.
And I say, please, hurry to leave, do not wake me up.
But yet you can be totally in another, your consciousness can be in a totally different location.
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Yeah, it's an amazing thing that the more I learn.
But I want to ask about people and the spirit guides.
How do I, I don't know enough about it.
I'm trying to learn some about it.
But are people, I've had so many experiences while I'm in the paralyzed state that there are people there and they scare me.
I've had an old woman sitting there and several other people coming to me or standing there.
And I get so frightened when I know they're there with the paralysis and I just get so just so, so scared that I try to get out of it and I do wake myself up.
And as a matter of fact, some months ago, I got so scared at one point, I stopped myself from having them all together.
And it was terrible.
But since I've not experienced the paralysis, I've not had that happen.
I believe that chemicals, illegal drugs, and legal drugs like alcohol, things like that, inhibit or sometimes prevent you from having an out-of-body experience.
Sometimes, but there are some drugs that people have claimed that they have had these experiences.
But what I say is this is a very, very natural thing.
And you don't want to do something that's possibly going to cause you some physical damage to your body.
Because it's very easy to do it very naturally.
And if you do it naturally, you can do it over and over again without worrying about any ramifications like being locked up.
Because like I said, just because you haven't had the paralysis doesn't mean that some of these other things that I mentioned, the flying, the buzzing, the vibration, those are all still symptoms of the same thing.
Well, in my book, Chapter 14, I list about five different techniques that I've not only tested on myself, I've tested on all my students, on my family, my mother, my son, and I have a lot of success with these techniques.
Try one until you feel very comfortable with it.
Another thing, since we're all up early in the morning right now, one thing that I found that works for me, too, is sleep deprivation.
And since we're all up now, I challenge or I suggest that those of you who are going back to sleep after this show, try to lay there and relax your body one muscle at a time, like I said, and see if your body falls asleep.
I can't believe that if we do have a soul, and I do believe we have one, that there's anything wrong with examining it, with trying to get in touch with it, or traveling with it.
I didn't realize that people still did that in the 90s.
But my only response to that was I could respect that a lot more if at least he'd read my book.
You know, this doesn't threaten anybody's religion because in all religions it talks about that we are spirits, that we are sparks of God.
And just because, I mean, people did it in the Bible and in other books in the past, that doesn't mean that that is only for people who've lived thousands of years ago.
No, we are still the same spiritual beings.
Yes, we can still do these things.
This is nothing new.
This subject has been hidden in the occult category for so long, and that's where it got all these fearful condemnations.
But it's out of that category now into a new category, and it's okay.
As a matter of fact, I think it would reconfirm any spiritual belief or religious belief that you may have.
And this is an alert for those of you who like to see really interesting things.
In about the next 20 minutes, within the next 20 minutes, depending on where you are, the space shuttle is going to re-enter, and at about this time of the morning, it's a hell of a view.
Now, I don't know what parts of the country are going to get the best view of it, but within the next 20 minutes, the shuttle is going to come screaming back.
And on occasion, you can see this wonderful long orange streak as the shuttle flies across the horizon.
Sometimes, if you're close enough, you'll hear a gigantic boom.
But this is the shuttle warning.
About the next 20 minutes.
Within the next 20 minutes, you should probably begin looking about now.
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Even though I think the middle class is being eroded away because most people are doing relatively okay, we haven't seen that balance of power shift yet.
If that gets higher, I think we've got a real problem.
Well, you know, like I said, unfortunately, there's a lot of people who aren't really experiencers who have opinions on this particular subject.
And what really is interesting about this type of thing is it's generally motivated by fear.
Now, this person may, I mean, I have had a cousin who had passed away who was able to travel out of body, but just because he was able to travel out of body had nothing to do with the timing of his death.
Another thing is you've got to realize that there is a plan.
Nothing happens by accident.
There is a plan to this whole thing.
And just because you travel out of body doesn't mean that that plan is going to be canceled out and now you're going to die and everyone that was supposed to benefit from your life and that you were supposed to help now have to do without.
It doesn't work that way.
There is higher guidance.
It's not a human thing.
It's more of a spiritual thing.
And I would say even a God thing.
There is a plan.
And you have to have kind of faith in that plan.
I mean, everybody, if you're whatever religion, you're going to have faith of some sort.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
Hi.
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Hi, this is Christy from the Trade Cities, Washington.
Yes.
Christy.
And I, when I was 16, I used to have out-of-body experiences.
And with the buzzing you were talking about, I didn't really, I had that, but I also, after I left my body, I'd be like up above, I felt like, and I felt like I was spinning around really fast.
I don't know what that was.
And I didn't really know a whole lot about it, but I didn't really go anywhere.
I kind of went around my house and that, the simple things.
And then after I read about it and I started getting into it more, something else started happening.
I would go into, you know, the paralysis and go beyond that.
And I would go into like a dream.
It wasn't like an out-of-body experience.
It was more, you know, like a dream.
Weird things would go on, you know, just how dreams are.
But I could control it like an out-of-body experience.
And then they started turning into like nightmares.
And then I would try to come out of it to wake up.
And I would have to say, I found, you know, I thought if I said, you know, I want to wake up, that I could, you know, come out of it.
And I couldn't say it.
And then finally if I did say it, I would think that I woke up, you know, I would, you know, sit up in bed, but the dream, you know, the nightmare would continue.
And I'd have to do this five or six times before I would actually wake up.
See, you know, it's kind of like you're driving down the freeway and a car cuts in front of you.
And instead of using the wheel to maneuver out from the way of the car, meaning change lanes, what you did is you panicked and put your hands over your eyes.
If you thought about it, you still have control of the car.
You still can do stuff.
But you forgot that you had that control because of what happened visually or whatever your senses, your sensory septal, your senses picked up.
You still have control.
Even when you think it's a horrifying dream.
In the beginning, when I had lucid dreams, I would dream, you know, I'm afraid of ghosts.
At least I have been up until recently.
And I would have dreams of ghosts chasing me or haunted mansions and things like that.
And all of a sudden, I would be very aware, oh yeah, I'm dreaming.
And being very aware of that, I was dreaming, I would just change the dream.
And I wouldn't forget, because of the terrifying experience, that I could.
And I did.
And you can always fly away.
You can even change the situation.
Another thing you mentioned that's very interesting is we haven't touched on is that when you get into the paralysis, there are so many forks in the road that you, there's so many avenues that you can choose.
One of them is creating a dream.
And I've done that numerous times.
And that's when you relax and let go.
And instead of rising or above, you start visualizing things.
And you can create a dream to experience.
But you've got to remember, you are the actor and director of this play.
You haven't lost control in any way, shape, or form.
So don't forget that just because something happens that you didn't expect.
I spoke to you before the show, but I figured that didn't count.
I'd like to say that this of all programs in the last three or four months at my station down here, which went off the air at six, but I did want to speak to Al.
There's almost an entire correspondence between what Al has been saying and what I have been learning in the past 20 years through my connection with a group based out of a town a little south of Palazzo, Arizona.
I would just caution Al.
Well, not so much that I'm cautioning.
You had a guest last week, Art, who said, Luiji Board, throw them out of the house.
That's right.
Very often, we get wrapped up in playing with the powers that come to us as we develop.
It's very important, I believe, and many do, not to become attached to the powers and not to be attached to the journey to the ultimate realization of beingness and the totality of all.
These are only stops on the way, but we shouldn't be unduly interested in what we could manifest on the way to the total, to the experience of total self-awareness.
I I've known a lot of people who have seen um children in dreams and then all of a sudden they and then they have a little boy or they know they're going to have a little boy and sure enough they do and the kid grows up to look just like the child they saw in their dreams.
That happens all the time.
Because like I said, they come to you and they stay around you observing you and to pick you, to choose you.
Well, you know, sometimes if you were to stay out of body for a long time, then come back, your body wouldn't be as tired.
But you sound like you're not leaving completely, or maybe you leave for a little while and you come back and then you go through a dream state type of thing, a restless sleep.
The only thing I can say is that try some of the techniques I put in my book.
You know, they work to the point where you'll be out and you won't be in that dream state and you won't be tossing and turning.
And do the relaxation, the visualization, and things may smooth out for you.
Regarding the condemnation that you heard from other people, like I said, with this thing I found that everybody is an expert, but few of them are really experiencers.
So just take it with a grain of salt, and that's where they're coming from.
It really has nothing to do with your experience.
Think of it as your experiences are power are powerful and what your little girl said doesn't sound demonic.
I mean if she has experience with Jesus, what could be demonic about that?
That sounds almost hypocritical to say that it is.
So don't worry about what they say.
I have heard so many things.
People have said so many fearful things about this, but none of them have had these experiences.
Yeah, a lot of people have experiences like that where they go to their old house because what's happening is, you know, there may be a part of you that is very comfortable and drawn to that.
And if you're in that state, you can create it or even experience the old house.
And it doesn't matter what time period because there are no time limitations.