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Aug. 28, 1996 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing

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unidentified		From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell on the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, here we go.
		Major Dames, retired Major Dames, runs a company called SciTech.
		It all began for him in the U.S. military, where, as you know, if you saw the Nightline program on remote viewing, our government spent millions of dollars over years investigating, in fact, with a program to remote view.
		What is remote viewing?
		It is an obvious question.
		And what is SciTech?
		It's an obvious follow-up question.
		And I think that is a good place to begin.
		Major, welcome back to the program.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, I guess it's incumbent on us, no matter what else we do tonight, to begin by at least giving people a brief synopsis of what remote viewing is and a bit about your background.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me handle the remote viewing aspect first.
		Remote viewing was a government-sponsored project beginning in the late 70s and culminating in the, about two years ago, with the announcement, the CIA announcement, that it had dropped the program.
		Over that almost decade and a half period, for most of that period, I was the operations and training officer for a unit that did this at the Department of Defense level.
		And the protocols that we used, the techniques that we used, evolved over that time.
		And in that interim, there was a particular breakthrough discovery that came about as a result of government funding at Stanford Research Institute that led to what in 1983, when this breakthrough occurred, was termed coordinate remote viewing.
		What this technique allowed us military intelligence officers to do was to learn how natural psychics, gifted natural psychics, use their unconscious to communicate ideas, accurate information about distant targets, a target being a person, a place, a thing, or an event, to their conscious awareness.
		But the set of protocols, this way that this natural syntax and grammar for the way in which that communication takes place was really the discovery itself.
		It became a model that allowed those of us who were not gifted psychics, including myself, to be trained to be a gifted natural psychic.
		And when this training was completed, the team that we had put together became better and more consistent than the best natural psychics in history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I stop you for just one second?
		Major, do you have two telephones there?
		Do you have another telephone by any chance?
		I do.
		Can we give it a try?
		This one sounds kind of strange.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, there could be a pretty good reason for that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people listen to my lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they do.
		As a matter of fact, I'm sure they do.
		So if you have another phone with the same number, I mean, can you just easily switch phones, or is that something we have to do at a break?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me try to do it right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's give it a try.
		Might as well do it live here.
		See how it works.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All right, are you there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm here.
		Okay.
		I can tell this is going to be much better.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		How's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that is so much better.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we were talking about protocols for doing this remote viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And by protocols, I mean the discovery availed itself of the natural process by which unconscious communicates with conscious awareness.
		And this became a set of instructions, a recipe, if you will, that if followed rigorously, just like grammar is followed in language, allowed us to hold on to a target at a distance information,
		details, specific details about a target, hold on to the target and continue to produce details while at the same time recognizing, allowing us to recognize when our imagination was entering into the picture or our personal analysis, our biased opinions about the data was starting to overlay the information.
		So this technique became extremely valuable as a military intelligence tool, and I've mentioned this in earlier programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the military used it for how many years?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was used, the team existed from 1977 in the Army to 1986 as an Army team.
		And then from 86 to about 89 as a Defense Intelligence Agency team.
		And then the CIA took the remnants of the team and researched with it.
		They did not use it for operations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and until recently, nobody in America knew that all of that had been going on.
		All the news is fairly recent about remote viewing, that they did, in fact, do it.
		They seem to suggest they are ending the program.
		But to me, if the program worked, I would rather imagine that right now, secretly, it would still be going on.
		What do you imagine?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't have to imagine for that.
		Of course, having been a senior intelligence officer and plugged in at celestial levels of intelligence, I generally have old cronies of mine that are still there.
		And it's not going on because I took all of the best and the brightest with me to form my company, SciTech.
		And that technology, that technology resides with my company at present.
		It's no longer within the Defense Intelligence Agency or DOD or CIA.
		And those are four reasons that we've discussed in the past.
		It has just become such a political liability and white elephant that a hot potato, that it was taken off the hands of all those agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the last time you were on the program, you clearly said before any of the news broke, and we replayed the program while I was on vacation, you said, watch Mars.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sure did.
		And sure enough, all hell broke loose while I was on vacation with regard to Mars and the meteorite and life and all the rest of it.
		Is there anything else you can tell us about Mars or what is yet to come?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There are some very significant events to come in association with Mars.
		We planned an announcement, of course, that breakthrough to occur while you were on vacation.
		No, just kidding.
		If you look at SciTech's website, our Transition 3000 website, you'll notice that there's a new report that's up and available to the public.
		Actually, the beginnings of that report were really started years ago when the Russians actually asked SciTech to take a look at the demise of one of their space probes.
		This was in 1989, and that probe was called the Phoebus II space probe.
		It entered Martian orbit in 1989.
		You might remember that there are photos floating around of a female cosmonaut holding a picture of what was allegedly the last photograph that Phoebus II snapped in orbit around Mars.
		And this was in an elongated, bright object.
		Our work, we spent a lot of professional technical remote viewing time on this.
		And what you see in that report is representative of our best job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were commissioned by the Russians.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We were.
		The Russians asked I took the, as a tactic of desperation, their terminal telemetry does not really allow a complete failure analysis of the spacecraft.
		They couldn't determine really what happened to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm trying to recall, Major.
		As you pointed out, they had seen something, some object headed toward it or some object close by.
		What was the deal?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was, again, it appeared as an object, an elongated, bright object that was between the spacecraft and Phobos, allegedly coming up over the planet Mars, between the spacecraft and Mars.
		What SciTech did was to do a full-blown research project using that particular photo, that anomalous photo, as a start point, and develop all of the details around the demise of the spacecraft, what went wrong.
		And the results are what you find in that report.
		I think I fired you off a draft copy of that the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did and said that I couldn't use it because it was not yet released.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to give a synopsis of that now?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can do that now.
		Essentially, the Phoebus II spacecraft was decommissioned by a machine.
		It was about to call it an alien machine.
		I don't use that word in the report.
		A machine that arose from the Martian surface, came into actual physical contact with the space probe, electronically disabled it, inadvertently I might add, and then later on mechanically disabled it.
		Now this, essentially, what's extremely surprising is that this machine is not made by anybody down here on our planet.
		It is robotic in nature.
		It appears to have some type of ascentience that we don't understand, totally alien type of technology.
		Nevertheless, it's there and there are others like it on the surface.
		The space probe, the Phoebus II space probe, appears to have entered a sector of Martian airspace that could be comparable to an air defense interrogation zone using military Earth bound terms.
		And when that happened, a whole ensemble of events followed, beginning with this object rising from the Martian surface.
		In our report, we describe the technical features of the object and how it travels, among a number of other things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, that implies a zillion things.
		That implies Martians, I guess.
		It implies intelligent life on Mars and or below Mars.
		What is there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There appear to be a number of robotic vehicles.
		There are other things there.
		And this becomes a complex issue.
		We're still subject to being studied by our company.
		But right now we're concentrating on what is decommissioning things like APIS-2, things like the Mars Observer, which mysteriously disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have not had a lot of luck, nor have the Russians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're about to launch some new probes, and I wonder what's going to become of them.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I wonder also, based upon what we stand by, what my company stands by in this report, it doesn't look like they have a bright future, or the future may be too bright in terms of what happened to Phoebus II.
		So if this occurs, and we'll have, again, physical observables or ground truth next year, if this occurs again, then what my company will do is similar to what we used to do in military intelligence missions.
		We'll look for the Achilles heel or a way to get into that airspace or to circumvent the problems that are surrounding the loss of these billions of dollars of hardware in space so that we can continue our investigation of Mars in a different way.
		Perhaps landing outside of a cordoned-off area and walking a probe in or driving it in, something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So somebody doesn't want us there looking?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't appear that they do.
		There were really two key events that happened.
		One was the inadvertent electronic disabling of the spacecraft.
		In another separate event, something was fired.
		An actual something that simulated a meteorite hit was, one might think that an advanced civilization doesn't need to fire projectiles.
		They could use any number of various directed energy weapons.
		But in fact, something was fired from another platform that simulated a meteoroid, and it went right through and physically destroyed the spacecraft.
		The coup d'état.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, before anybody thinks you're crazy, in fact, there was that report, there was that final photograph.
		Something did, they think, hit that spacecraft.
		Something or another.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not what the report said.
		And in fact, we in the United States, DOD or otherwise, did not have access to the terminal Russian Soviet at that time telemetry.
		They did not provide us with all the final details.
		It was what SciTech provided to the Russians that woke them up because we were telling them things that only they knew based upon terminal telemetry and us trying to assist their failure analysis.
		Another thing, I know it might be premature in the evening to approach this, but we about three years ago put a very advanced spy satellite on a Titan IV rocket and launched that, and there are very nice photographs of a similar meteoroid type of projectile penetrating the rocket at 110,000 feet here in our own neck of the woods.
		So I'm suggesting to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which rocket?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was a Titan IV rocket that had a spy satellite sitting on top of it.
		A very sophisticated spy satellite.
		So this seems to be going on in our own neck of the woods also in some cases.
		The Hubble certainly is up there.
		It has not been interfered with.
		Other communication satellites have not either.
		But we stand by our report vis-a-vis these robotic-like vehicles on Mars.
		There is a command and control element beneath the Martian surface that did direct that final coup d'égrat.
		We're going to produce a subsequent report on that agency or whatever it is.
		I'm not suggesting that it's living.
		It may be another machine-like cell, but we'll find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, are you familiar with another remote viewer named Courtney Brown?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Courtney was one of my students, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Courtney was trained by me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has a lot to say about what lies below the surface of Mars, and a lot of it seems to agree with what you are suggesting right now.
		And sure enough, if there could be a meteorite that shows us there was billions of years ago rudimentary life on Mars, a shocking revelation, then it is reasonable to conclude that more advanced forms of life could easily have followed.
		And you're suggesting they did.
		You don't say there's Martians down there now, but there are at the very least, I guess, what's left of the technology that was developed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Art, there is something that appears to be living below the surface.
		My company has yet to finger that.
		We're going to have to devote another project to it.
		Right now, we're interested in hardware.
		We're technological types of guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, hold tight.
		We'll be right back.
		This is CBC.
		Back now to Major Ed Dames.
		Major, what do we know about this intelligence?
		I'm not going to say biological or machine.
		Do we know whether it is friendly or not so friendly?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can only judge by the behavior and use our own analytical terms.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		My company is not in the business of making assessments in those terms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you do specific jobs, and you were commissioned by the Russians to find out what happened.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We were commissioned by the Russians initially, and the company picked this up as an in-house project and looked at it more circumspectly.
		What we can say about the machine that arose from the Martian surface, and we have a lot to say about that in our report, is that it seems to have a type of ascentience, something that goes beyond the idea of advanced artificial intelligence.
		It has characteristics that are like a friendly, loyal guard dog, but it has behavior, some behaviors that mimic what, in anthropomorphic terms, what one would see in a St. Bernard or a dolphin that would respond to evolved intelligences are human, an injured human or a stranded human.
		So there's something about this that is like an escort vehicle or a rescue vehicle, but it's not designed for a NASA spacecraft.
		It's designed for someone else's conveyance.
		It comes up to meet.
		It's designed to meet somebody else's conveyance.
		Now, who that somebody else is is the subject of a future report that Psychic will have, and we're studying that now.
		Having said that, there is a control element, that is a command and control element beneath the Martian surface that does appear to have associated with it biological life forms.
unidentified		Oh.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, we don't know how biological they are.
		We don't know very much about them now, but we will.
		And that cell, that particular agency, is the one that pushed the button, figuratively and literally speaking, to take out both the Mars Observer and Phoebus II.
		So are those Martians or are those anything other than intelligent robots?
		At this point, we cannot say.
		We have a lot to say about the object that appeared as a bright flash, the terminal flash in the Phoebus II photo.
		And we just have a lot more work to do.
		We have to check and double check and cross-check using the same rigor that we used in the military.
		That's how we conduct our work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that we still have, I'm sure we do, a link to your webpage from my webpage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're suggesting this full report is available now on your webpage?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We make these reports available to the public now for a nominal price.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And it is available through our international office, our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		Just very briefly, because it is so important and was so shocking, you said to me during a previous interview that during your military years, you began, as sort of a side look, to pick up images of many babies dying and the jet stream coming down to the surface.
		And these were things that you just picked up during the military years and did not really concentrate on because they were not your assignment.
		So you sort of dismissed them, which is understandable.
		You had a specific job to do.
		It must have been a disturbing vision to get then.
		Is there anything new on that?
		Have you looked further into that since we last talked?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have not, Art.
		We've been concentrating on one thing at a time.
		And it will be a while before we go into those subjects with as much detail as we have, for instance, on this particular report.
		I think that the reason that we're concentrating on real-time events or near-real-time events is because there are physical observables involved.
		And this does two things.
		These incidents at Mars that are about to be in a short period of time validated are very important things vis-a-vis our relationship to others in the universe and as a validation to technical remote viewing, the techniques that we use in the company.
		And they're near real time.
		The other events are going to be, are a little bit further out and not so real time, although the kinds of things that are happening now that fosters those catastrophes are available to any scientist who really turns their scrutiny in a general way to ecological problems at hand.
		Only SciTech can do the work that we did vis-a-vis the Mars Phoebus II loss, but any good ecologist can come up with some of the same conclusions that we do vis-a-vis ecology.
		So we tend to concentrate on things where only technical remote viewing can solve the problem or provide pieces of the puzzle.
unidentified		This is the end of side one.
unidentified		This is the end of side one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		An irresistible target, and you had not done any work and may still not have on it, would be Flight 800.
		It has everybody totally puzzled.
		No answers, no technical answers.
		They pull more wreckage every day.
		They've got quite a bit now.
		They have no idea yet what brought down this 747 aircraft.
		And there are equal weight theories given to mechanical failure, the possibility of a missile.
		As a matter of fact, I've got a photograph of something that might be one.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I saw that on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
		And then, of course, the bomb theory.
		And I'm wondering if SciTech has done or intends to do any work on this problem.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, this type of problem is very easy for us to do.
		It's the kind of thing that does not require a lot of work to determine, to ascertain the nature of that event, whatever happened.
		It would be a lot of work to track down if it was indeed a bomb or missile, to track down the culprits, the perpetrators of the event.
		That would require a lot of work and would take weeks before we could pinpoint the individual or individuals involved.
		If we do the work, we would make it available to the public.
		In the past, we've worked with the FBI and other law enforcement agencies and federal agencies.
		When we work with federal agencies, we have to keep the work quiet, as you might imagine.
		You don't do things like that and advertise what you're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you could be doing that work now, but couldn't comment.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to prevaricate.
		I will always tell you the truth.
		Right now we are not working the flight, the TWA Flight 800 problem.
		But if we did, we would not work it in conjunction with the federal agencies because they would not provide feedback about our work to the public.
		And that is something that we demand in our work.
		We demand credit for what we do.
		So why don't we do this kind of a project instead of others?
		Well, simply because what we're seeing on Mars eclipses the short-term effects of something like this.
		There's going to be many, many terrorist attacks in the future.
		We're looking at the movie Brazil type of an environment soon enough.
		And this is just going to be yet one of many such events, Art.
		And it doesn't behoove us or what my company's mission is to concentrate on terrorist acts that can be solved by the FBI or the Department of Defense in the end anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We clearly seem to be headed towards some sort of revelation, further revelation about Mars.
		How far down line do you think that will come, Major?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think it will come when we either lose the three spacecraft that are going at One Russian mission and two American spacecraft that are hitting that way, or their photography reveals moving objects on the surface, particularly in the Sidonia region.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be a real revelation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to get to the phone shortly, but when we talked earlier on the phone, you told me about one other thing your company doesn't do.
		And stop me if you don't want to discuss this.
		But it was with regard to the drug cartels.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'll comment on the rest of that, Art.
		There are certain missions that my remote viewing team performed as part of their military duties, as part of our military mission.
		When the Cold War ended, for instance, we needed a new enemy.
		We needed a new job.
		We turned our assets towards the drug war.
		My company does not do that.
		We do not prosecute that mission in-house at SciTech.
		We do other things now.
		That's a no-win proposition for us for a couple of reasons.
		One, it is unwinnable for reasons that we believe to be true.
		And two, it's suicidal.
		In other words, we know where the key Latin American drug transshipment centers are.
		We know how they're guarded.
		We know their operation security.
		We're aware of all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'll come get you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we would pose pretty much of a preeminent threat to their operations.
		And I don't think our longevity would.
		Yeah, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're killed people.
		Simple as that.
		They pay money and they have you killed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, we could always, there would always be technical remote viewers in SciTech, both in Europe and in America, that could determine how I or one of my other employees was snuffed.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But I prefer to stick with the other projects and let the drug enforcement agency handle the cartel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I fully understand.
		I fully understand.
		How busy are you folks now?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're constantly busy.
		We're particularly busy after having done these art bell shows.
		We've received thousands of emails, particularly requests for training, and we only have 20 training slots.
		We only offer 20 training slots to the public per year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not many.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not, but it takes a lot of time and a lot of devotion to install these skills into other individuals.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It can't be done overnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I bet here are some typical questions.
		Somebody faxed me, and I'll bet this is what a lot of people are asking you.
		For example, how are applicants screened?
		What criterion is there for acceptance?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Many times we take people on a first-come, first-served basis.
		Lately, we've been so inundated with training requests that that's been difficult to do.
		We really don't have a screening process.
		We like to get a good cross-section of disciplines and occupations from people who are aerospace engineers and scientists to people who run construction businesses.
		That's what we prefer to do, to have the skills out and about distributed amongst various professions and disciplines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you recommend or require something like the Monroe Gateway course or any other course as a prerequisite for taking your course?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or do you prefer that they have nothing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I would prefer that they have at least the individuals, prospective candidates, have at least some time with themselves.
		That is, that they have engaged in some sort of meditation, perhaps neuro-linguistic programming, something that has enabled them to know that there's a part of themselves that is not necessarily open to awareness all the time.
		And there are any number of programs that could do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are there advanced or specialized courses that can or should be taken after the basic course of kind of postgraduate work?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		This is a professional development course.
		We only teach a professional development course.
		It is 10 days with a one-day break.
		It's very intensive.
		It is very intensive indeed.
		There's a lot to be learned, and there are no postgraduate courses.
		However, we want graduates for the next year to facts copies of their work to make sure that they are not going off course and to make sure that the rigorous protocols, the controls that are installed to make this work correctly are not being violated.
		And we do that by having the home office monitor the work of the chosen work that our graduates do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What criterion do you use for choosing those who then go on to become, in effect, residents or employees of SciTech?
unidentified		We pick the best viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What system is used for keeping the target unknown to the viewer during the training exercises?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We choose the random numbers that are associated with a target folder.
		And that's all that the trainees are provided with.
		Their unconscious is trained to do the work.
		In other words, we'll choose a target.
		For instance, I think a good example would be I was told by one of my officers that while I was in Europe, you had somebody do an ESP exercise where they attempted to describe something that was in front of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, we would take something like that as a target, for instance.
		If I were to do that and provide that kind of a target to one of my employees, that would be called a double-blind.
		I, as the teacher, would not know what the target is, nor would my student.
		But by using the protocols that we have, it would be an easy task for us to sketch the object, to describe it, those kinds of things.
		It's production, whatever you Wanted to know about it.
		But most of the time we work blind, where we'll choose, for instance, an individual or an event.
		And depending upon what day that we are talking about in the training program, the level of difficulty will vary within those days.
		For instance, if any of you have seen Courtney Brown's website, you'll see that the kinds of things that he's putting up there, the sketches, that's what we call a stage three sketch.
		In day three of our training, our trainees are expected to produce those very primitive elementary drawings just like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you regard Courtney as an advanced student.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Courtney is not an advanced student.
		He did not complete the one-year established rigorous double checks that I insist upon in terms of sci-tech.
		A number of my graduates have gone off to teach this.
		It's an extremely life-changing type of a skill.
		You're obviously very enthusiastic as a graduate.
		Both some of my European graduates and American graduates have gone off to attempt to teach this, but that would be like if I were a flight instructor, giving you a solo flight lesson after 40 hours of flight training and having you go off and act as an instructor pilot.
		The same kinds of problems would ensue.
		If something went wrong, you are in big trouble.
		And more importantly, you would not know as an inexperienced pilot that something was going wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So that these rigorous protocols, when they've been abandoned in many cases, are altered to the point where the information, the accuracy rates are starting to fall off tremendously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, regarding targets, how detailed information can be gathered?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What sort of detail can you get?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Extreme detail, depending upon the length of the project, particularly.
		If I were to look at the inside of, let's say I wanted to describe a hydrogen leak on a space shuttle, we can sketch the actual particular part that's leaking, how fast it is leaking.
		We can sketch the assemblies and sub-assemblies that are associated with it.
		We could actually describe what a person's mind state or modus operandi is.
		In fact, as military intelligence officers and remote viewers, we used to do this when we assessed potential spies for recruitment.
		We would go into their minds first to see if they were recruitable.
		We would vet them remotely using these mind techniques that we discovered.
		Any other examples I could give you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can it be so detailed, for example, as you can read a billboard, a street sign, find print in a newspaper being held by a target?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Nope, that is one of the restrictions that we have.
		It's a right-brain process.
		And the problem is that we cannot, alphanumerics are one of our limitations.
		If you have a document, a top-secret document in a safe somewhere, what we can do is acquire that as a target and we can detail out, we can sketch out all of the topics and subjects that appertains to that particular document, the people that are associated with it, any facilities, but we can't read it, nor can we understand speech.
		We can pull out all the ideas about what a person is talking about, but we cannot replicate the speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not specific speech, in other words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about senses, taste, smell?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All those things are primal.
		Yes, but those are our trainees are taught to do that in day two of our training course.
		Smells, tastes, sounds, temperatures, colors.
		All of the senses plus some other senses that we teach, the ability to discern infrasonics and ultrasonics and magnetics are available to our remote viewers.
		And those bypass imagination for the most part.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Major, hold tight, relax.
		We'll be right back to you, Major Ed Dames, as my guest.
		This is CBC.
unidentified		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's do it.
		Back now to Major Ed Dames.
		Major, if I came to SciTech, if I was somebody or another in the government, and I realized what had been going on with the probe sent to Mars, and I said, look, Major, we're about to launch so-and-so, and we would like SciTech to ride herd on it and prevent anything from occurring.
		Could you do that, or would you have to sit and watch what occurred?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not certainly follow you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm asking whether your company can be proactive in preventing something from occurring.
		In other words, I'm coming to you, I've got the probe, I'm launching it, it's going to Mars.
		I want it protected in some way.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We would prosecute a mission like that the same way that we did in the military.
		We would look for an Achilles heel in a defense system, an opening similar to a radar hole or something like that.
		For instance, I've already talked about the idea that perhaps this so-called zone, this defensive zone, this air defense interrogation zone, has boundaries.
		And we could perhaps land a lander on the obstacles of those boundaries and go overland into the area and observe it from the ground.
		Perhaps these objects, I'm speculating now, only react to inbound vehicles coming in from space.
		There is already some evidence that leads us to believe that mind to be true, although we're not certain.
		That's the kind of thing we would investigate before putting a report out to an agency that was responsible for building something of those technical characteristics parameters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go to the phones.
		We promised the audience we would.
		I know they've got a million questions.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Scott from Graham, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Scott.
unidentified		And my question is, if something very disastrous is about to happen, would he inform us that it is going to happen like within a week or a month or so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
		So, yes, in a sense, you have already done that with respect to the mother's milk, the babies dying, the jet stream coming down on deck.
		But if you saw something really near-term, really disastrous, what would you do?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We would subject it to further study.
		We're not going to put anything on, my company is not going to put anything on the streets that we're not certain about.
		Otherwise, the public will lose their confidence in our work.
		We have to be sure.
		Sometimes that may mean that we missed the boat.
		And that has occurred in the past.
		But we would have to be certain.
		Those are my requirements as president of the company.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		You've got to maintain the reputation of the company because that is everything that you are.
		And so when you say something, you've got to be very certain of it.
		Would you care to comment on anything that you knew about beforehand but were hesitant or not sure enough to announce publicly and then did occur?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think there would be one instance where that might be the case, and that was with regard to an event that was in the Four Corners area.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the Hantavirus problem?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The Hantavirus, there was another problem that aggravated the Hantavirus epidemic, and that was what was called an algal bloom.
		And my company picked up on the growth in the cisterns, particularly in the Navajo lands and in the Pueblos along the Rio Grande.
		The cisterns had an overgrowth of blue-green algae.
		Blue-green algae produces an extremely deadly toxin.
		That toxin suppressed the immune systems of many people and led to aggravation of this toxicological insult by the Hantavirus.
		We were pretty sure that this was going to happen, and I did.
		I was on the phone with the Center for Disease Control and other agencies, but not quickly enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Rick in Pacific Grove, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		A couple of different questions.
		Of course, Hailbot.
		Dying to know any details about that, particularly how close it'll come.
		And then the ozone problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We can tackle both those.
		I've seen a recent new picture of Hailbop.
		Very interesting.
		Kind of a double image.
		Very strange.
		It's circulating up on the net.
		Hailbop is kind of a mysterious item, and it's going to come quite close.
		Is there anything you know about it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it looks like it'll miss us.
		We've done some work in training with our advanced students.
		And although we have not subjected Hailbop to anything that would be called a remote viewing project, it's a myth, but it's quite spectacular in the night sky.
		That's about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On our environment, I know you've done a lot of work on our environment.
		How much trouble are we in?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're in a lot of trouble.
		We are in a lot of trouble, particularly with regard to water.
		What's happening is that any the UV index, as I mentioned before NASA made the announcement, the ultraviolet index indices worldwide are going straight up, particularly in the mid-latitudes.
		What is happening is that any cells that are in developmental stages, eggs, for instance, of insects, eggs of frogs or fishes, that are exposed constantly to these higher levels of ultraviolet radiation are going to not only mutate, they're going to flat out die.
		And we're looking at a lot of just dead water, sterile, sour water, particularly in England, in the United Kingdom, they're going to get hit heavy.
		We'll see the effect there first.
		They'll be most noticeable in the United Kingdom, where you have waters that are just as sterile as, say, Crater Lake Oregon, where there's nothing in the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just dead water.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Just dead water.
		Because many of the organisms that live in the water, their eggs in the developmental stages are exposed to much at very shallow depths, lymphologically speaking, to very high levels of shortwave ultraviolet.
		That's where it will become most noticeable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, dead water, widespread dead water, would lead to dead people.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, here we're talking about lush green plant growth surrounding ponds and streams that have nothing in them.
		The plants are going to love this.
		Many, many plants will thrive in these circumstances.
		And you know what else will thrive?
		That blue-green algae.
		Blue-green algae is one of the Earth's most primitive organisms, most primitive.
		It flourished in an environment where Earth had high levels of ultraviolet radiation.
		It will flourish again.
		The problem, as I alluded to with the Hantavirus toxicological insult, was that blue-green algae is probably the most toxic, the metabolite, the waste products, the toxin that's produced by the algae is one of the most toxic things known to man.
		In fact, it's so toxic that those of us who were involved in the U.S. biological warfare program, when it existed as an offensive program, blue-green algae toxin was the weapon of choice after years of experimentation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know this, without plankton, the entire food chain begins to collapse, doesn't it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But that's the very bottom of the food chain and the oceans.
		But that plankton will come later.
		The problems with plankton will come later.
		Plankton has a diurnal ebb and flow that's vertical.
		It rises up to the top, gets hit by UV, a certain amount of die-off there, and then sinks down to the bottom.
		You'll see the results first in shallow water, shallow, fresh water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For those who don't know, by the way, we are in the mid-latitudes.
		For your reference, those of you who are listening in the U.S., we're in the mid-latitudes, so that affects us.
		So a very serious environmental crisis ahead.
		Avertible?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps it may have been in the past.
		If we would have had the presence and the foresight to and even if we had the presence and the foresight to predict what would happen if we continued to abuse our environment, we are not together as a group of nations enough to agree to have prevented the problem.
		There would have been no remedial action that would have been practical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea when we pass the point of no return?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that ecologically speaking, probably around 2012 is the drop-dead date where there is no, that's the point of no return.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		And good morning, Major.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Thank you for accepting my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		My name's Mark.
		I'm calling from Fort Wayne.
		I'm originally from the Philippines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And you've mentioned about space probes sent to Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I find this very interesting.
		But what makes me wonder if you care to comment on this is if and when someday we decide to send the first manned space Mars expedition, how fast should a spacecraft should be traveling for human travel?
		And also how long will it take to get there?
		And when we do get there, will there be weapons required just in case for a confrontation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I think a lot of the questions are fairly obvious.
		We can get to Mars, I think they said, in about a year and a half.
		Is that about right, Major?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's about right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we could get there.
		Presumably, if we really devoted ourselves to it, we could send men to Mars.
		Would you think, under the circumstances, that would not be advisable?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it would be prudent without studying the problem some more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not certain of that.
		I just don't know, Art.
		But I don't think I'd want to be on that initial vehicle.
		The second one, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, maybe the second one.
		That's right.
		Europa also looks as though it may possibly harbor life.
		There's talk that there's ice on Europa and below a liquid ocean.
		And we already know that a new species of life, a third species, even here on Earth, lives without sunlight, any at all, near volcanic vents beneath our ocean.
		And they feature the same may be occurring even with more advanced life on Europa.
		Anything on that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have not studied Europa, but for many years, Titan, the largest moon of Saturn, in fact the only other body in the solar system that has an atmosphere similar to Earth, has been a constant training target in the early stages for our trainees.
		And we've done a lot of advanced work.
		In fact, our KGB counterpart, the psychic unit that the KGB had, after the Cold War was over, Psytech and that group of officers were going to do a joint project to look through this cloud-enshrouded moon to see if there was any life below.
		And so the company has studied that particular moon for a number of years.
		And it does appear to be some type of saprophytic or fungi in a liquid environment, but we have found no other life form on Titan.
		Europa, we haven't looked at it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Major, the Russians really are enamored of the sort of thing that you do.
		They have their own project.
		What do you know of the ongoing project in Russia?
		Are they still doing it, or has it also privatized in Russia?
		What's going on there?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It privatized and it died.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The healing arts in Russia are evolving, but the ESP and paranormal and remote viewing types of techniques are falling behind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
unidentified		This is Susan from Yakima.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Susan.
unidentified		Hi, I'd like to ask Mr. Dames a question if possible.
		All right.
		I didn't find out until your show that I guess I've been remote viewing.
		I always thought I was just a clairvoyant.
		But I have astrally projected, and I have seen a facility on Mars.
		It's underground, of course.
		Well, not far underground.
		There's a door.
		You know, there's lots of things.
		And I'm wondering if he could tell us if any of his people have seen that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, is astral projection or out-of-body a form of remote viewing or connected to remote viewing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Only by definition it is not.
		Let me preface what I'm about to say with the statement, and that is that my employees have no monopoly on the truth.
		We only have a monopoly on accuracy, and that is by virtue of the United States government pouring lots of money into our day-to-day research and development of these tools.
		So lots of people throughout history have, in fact, we're probably resurrecting something that ancient Egyptians did, but using modern 20th century requirements, intelligence gathering skills.
		We have lots of work, lots of archival work on facilities on the surface and underground Mars.
		Astro projection is not what we do.
		It's not similar, even similar to what we do, although in the 70s, we attempted to induce out-of-body states.
		Some of your listeners might be familiar with what out-of-bodies are.
		That's when it appears that your consciousness physically leaves your body and you're looking back down at yourself.
		This usually occurs in a sleeping state.
		And it occurs to thousands and thousands of people worldwide who usually don't talk about it because they'll lose their friends.
		But nevertheless, it happens.
		It's a common thing.
		As far as the military team goes, I could not induce this state on demand.
		It happened spontaneously.
		And as I've mentioned before to the public, when it happened, the subject with whom I was working would come back into a conscious state and say something like, sir, you can't believe how marvelous this was, on and on and on.
		And in frustration, I would be asking Lieutenant Wilson or whatever, did you get the information I needed on this neutron flux gate or this ICBM MERV or whatever?
		And the experience of being out-of-body would be so awing that it would overcome the intelligence requirements.
		So I stopped fiddling around with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had a specific mission, and anything that interfered with that was just that interference.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Now, that's not to say that if we put more work into inducing out-of-body states, that we couldn't get somebody so used to that state that they would be able to complete their military missions.
		We just turned to this other technique that we now call technical remote viewing because it works.
		If it's not broken, don't fix it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I'm a major manufacturer in this country, and I'm manufacturing some electronic goodie, and I have become aware that the Japanese are two or three or five steps ahead of me, and I walk into your office with a bundle of cash and say, look here, I want to know what Mitsubishi is doing right now.
		Here's the money.
		How about it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, we won't do it.
		That's called, in the old days it was industrial espionage.
		The buzzword now, as you might know, is business research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's not something you do.
		No, it isn't something you do.
		I've got a fax here, and it says, during a previous interview, you said some of your people had looked back to the time of Jesus and had seen that he did exist.
		The person sending the fax would like to know what Jesus looked like.
unidentified		Tall, short, dark, red-haired, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What Jesus looked like.
		It's an interesting question and a great cliffhanger, even if you don't have the answer.
		So Major, stay right there.
		We'll be back to you in a moment.
		From the high desert, you're listening to Major Ed Dames.
		SciTech's Ed Dames.
		He is a remote viewer.
		When we come back, we will ask him about Jesus.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Stay right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Major Dames.
		Major, with regard to Jesus, people need to know that remote viewing is not confined necessarily to contemporary events as they occur, but you can actually look back or, I guess, forward in time.
		In this case, back.
		You did go back and look at Jesus.
		You said he did exist.
		What can you tell us of Jesus, if anything?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		All I can say is that we use the event of Calvary as a training target for day five of our training because we're attempting to install the skills in our trainees that deal with emotions, high-level aesthetic impacts such as pathos, grief, anger.
		So one of our training targets in day four and five is Calvary.
		And when we work that particular target, we get an event where three men are crucified.
		And I do not have descriptions on any of the three men, except that one appears to be, for all intents and purposes, a supernatural type of entity.
		And that's all I can tell you.
		We've never sketched the individual.
		The reason we use that particular event as training, once again, is just to make sure that trainees are able to pick up on higher level aesthetics.
unidentified		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Then let us go the other way, and then we'll go back to the phones.
		Having looked at that event, have you ever, a faxer wants to know, looked at the devil as a target, the devil of the Bible as a target?
		And if not, the faxer says, I can certainly understand why not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We've used the queue, and this is like a library search where you're searching what we call the matrix, sort of the collective unconscious stores information the way we think the library stores it.
		In fact, I think that our libraries are set up based upon the way the collective unconscious stores it archetypically and primarily, but I'm not certain.
		At any rate, one of the search terms we use is Satan.
		When we use that search term, not all remote viewers come up.
		In fact, very few individuals come up with the same personages.
		But they do come up with, most of the time, contemporary instances of pure unadulterated evil, particularly having to do with children.
		So if we work the remote view, we use technical remote viewing against the Q Satan, remote viewers will come up across the board with individuals that are abusing or keeping children captive, torturing or killing children.
		Why that is, I can only speculate, but that's what we get when we run that particular search term.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's also very grim.
		And it's not something that's pleasant to look at because you're picking up the viewer, the trainee in this case, is picking up impressions from individuals that are not very savory and not someone that if you were there in person, you would want to be around.
		Not to mention what's happening to the children.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
unidentified		Pure evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the end of side one.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major James.
		Hi.
unidentified		Gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		Paradise, California.
		All right.
		Let's say you had a top-secret government project, and you had maybe an Eastern Bloc country or something that was trying to use remote viewing to discover it.
		Is there any psychic or remote viewing technique you can use to block the discovery of what you're working on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting question.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's no way to block it.
		There's no way to block it.
		There's plenty of ways to find out that they are doing that and what they know, but there isn't any way to block it.
		We actually ran into this in the 70s when the Secret Service, who had gotten the hold of a Defense Intelligence Agency report on Soviet psychotronics, walked into our unit and asked if President Reagan was under any threat by a foreign government, Czechs or the Russians at that time, psychotronically.
		What I did was order our team to turn our attention to hunting down other agencies like ourselves, other units like ourselves.
		And that's how we found our Russian counterparts that way.
		What we discovered was that even though they were training and attempting to stop hearts and do other things like that using minds unsuccessfully, they were not doing that, but they were successful in gaining information the same way, in similar fashion, that our team was used.
		So we reported back to the Secret Service that President Reagan's life or physical well-being was not being threatened, but that everything he was doing could be discerned.
		And they were very happy with that and went back home because that was not their particular concern about whether or not secrets were being lost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		His physical well-being, yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is no way to block it.
		Neither a Faraday shield, electromagnetic shields, or any other way that we're familiar with can block someone.
		Because you're not going to the target.
		You're going to where the target exists as a pattern of information in the collective unconscious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the end of privacy.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is the end of secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		My name is Mike.
		I'm calling from Reading, Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		This is really very compelling material, and I think if somebody wanted to define cutting edge, it would be what the Major is presenting tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Major, you delineated your reasons for not investigating something like the Flight 800 incident.
unidentified		But I would be very grateful if you would consider giving just a background comment based on your own general experience in the area and your core knowledge.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Could you restate that for me, please?
unidentified		What do you think happened with Flight 800 in view of the fact that 200 people, four of whom I heard, say that they saw something that looked like a missile heading toward it right before it blew up?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		When we use our techniques to investigate an event, we go into the problem absolutely unbiased.
		We did this with the Lockerbie Scotland accident, and our team was the one that actually tracked down the culprits in that event.
		We do not assume anything.
		We are totally objective.
		And that's the way we go into the problem.
		We let the unconscious sort out the problem for us.
		So I may have my own biases.
		It's pretty difficult not to have a bias when you see the kinds of photos that are up on, let's say, ARTS website.
		But nevertheless, when we go into the problem as professional remote viewers, we do not go in with any biases whatsoever about what may have happened.
		It could have been an altercation in a cabin.
		It could have been any number of things.
		Windshear, we have no preconceived concepts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're dangerous.
		They detract from what you do and how you do it, of course.
		So I can imagine you wouldn't want any preconceptions.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's particularly the case if you're dealing with something that's totally outside your range of experience, or one's psaris, I'll borrow my Russian counterpart's term.
		Because there, your mind wants to try to fill in the blanks, and there one's personal analysis and imagination will fill in the blanks for you if you're not careful.
		Our professionals are taught not to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a good one for you.
		You were a part of the government, now you're private sector.
		And I wonder, in your various targets, do you ever, Major, run into competition?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean do we discern other remote viewers looking at the same thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not lately.
		The only time that this has occurred was with regard to a UFO event.
		And in that case, we did perceive an intelligence that was connected with observing this event.
		And when we tracked that intelligence back to its source, it turned out to be our Russian counterparts.
		That was the only time I've run into something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What effect would that have on a remote viewer, to be sitting there working on a target, and to run into another remote viewer?
		Would it be a shock, a surprise, a non-event, just something they would note?
		Or how would it affect somebody in the middle of a remote viewing session?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is merely something they would note.
		That's all.
		It would have no other effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I had two questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Forestville, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		My first question was, I was wondering if he had ever remote viewed the escape from Alcatraz and if they made it.
unidentified		And my second question was if they have ever looked into is there going to be a cure for AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		That's a good question.
		Alcatraz first.
		Did they make it, Major?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Never spent any time with escapees and Alcatraz.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Lots of time with AIDS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lots of time with AIDS.
		All right, yes, it's a good question.
		What can you tell us about AIDS?
		A million rumors, a million conspiracy theories.
		What do you know?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I may have mentioned this cursorily on an earlier program, but if I have not, I'll cover some of the same ground.
		The AIDS virus and AIDS as a disease are two separate subjects for remote viewing.
		The AIDS virus itself, we're interested, there was a pharmaceutical company that was interested in looking at the origin of the AIDS virus because if one could discern its Achilles heel, so to speak, it may be easier to develop antibodies or defenses against it to attack it.
		And when remote viewers, technical remote viewer professionals, turn their attention to the origin of the AIDS virus itself, we know that about a number of thousands of years ago, it was a canine virus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Canine.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It was canine and it mutated into the simian community.
		So that helps microbiologists and virologists to some degree to get an edge on the origin of the virus itself.
		The origin of the disease as an epidemic or pandemic, we've looked at also.
		And although we're certain that it started in Africa, we have not devoted enough work to see how the disease began in terms of an epidemiological factor.
		Did it escape from a laboratory?
		Was it part of a, you know, we just don't know.
		We know how it was distributed.
		It was distributed as a social disease, but we don't know its origin as a disease.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, another thing we don't really know about AIDS is how many are infected.
		They have guesses.
		They really don't seem to know.
		And of course, AIDS hides for many, many, many, many years.
		So we're only guessing at how many are actually infected.
		Do you have any idea?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		We spend most of our time looking at cures and things like that, our free time in-house.
		And that is one of our in-house projects.
		And we're pursuing several aspects.
		We have to be careful when you do this, because if you're looking for a technology, let's say, a technology in terms of an antivirus or the standard against AIDS, you have to be careful where you are in time.
		If you're focused on a cure for AIDS and you're two or three generations of microbiological technology out there, it doesn't do any good for the next two generations of AIDS victims.
		And so we have to bring the cure, the idea of cures, closer to home.
		When we do that, we can discern several different positive avenues that are being pursued now.
		One of them is what appears to be kind of a decoy, another type of a sera or something that circulates in the body, that's injected and circulates in the body, and somehow acts as a decoy.
		The AIDS essentially goes after the decoy rather than deteriorating cells in the body.
		And we're looking to see who is going to produce that because these people, a particular institute or person that is working on that tact, may not know that they have the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea how far away we are from some positive news about AIDS?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I do not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A decoy, kind of like a submarine fires a decoy at something that's on the way toward it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, if this decoy does not, it stays the progression of the disease.
		It doesn't eliminate it from the victim's body.
		But that's just one of the tax that we see being taken that is potentially successful.
		And of all the researchers out there, there may only be three or four who are onto something, and they may not know that they have the solution in a test tube.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the weather for a moment.
		The hurricanes right now are lined up like so many soldiers, all the way from Africa to the Caribbean and beyond.
		The weather Seems to be worsening.
		The hurricanes are strong.
		This one, the present one, had 140 miles an hour, 145 mile an hour winds.
		And it looks as though there's going to be a long March and many more hurricanes than they had forecasted for the year.
		What's going to happen with our weather?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		As I mentioned before, the first major earth changes are happening now, and that is weather.
		What will that result in in terms of ecological and economic damage to food supplies?
		As I've mentioned before, we're just not going to be able to grow food crops the way we've done before.
		And we're going to feel the effects of that post-haste.
		The next thing that will follow on the heels of the weather changes and be concomitant with it will be these microbiological mutations.
		And we're going to be ravaged, particularly the lesser developed country, by pandemics.
		Not viral, but bacteriological in nature, bacteriological toxins.
		And we have other things to come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were giving out advice to people, would you say store food, or is that just a useless short-term thing to do in the larger scheme?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think in the long term, storing food may not be the way to go, although that certainly has survival value in terms of waiting out the storm until you can procure some more food, but rather finding ways to grow it oneself in artificial conditions.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Privatize it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the old thing versus giving a fellow a fish or teaching him how to fish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you can grow food, you may make it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think we're going to have to do that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We might have to do it as communities at the community level, but we're going to have to start growing our own food and not depending upon massive crop production the way that we have in the last six or seven decades.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this food problem produced by a weather problem is a fairly near-term event?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And you'll notice what happened to the wheat crop in the United States for the first time in history this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true, and all through the Midwest, of course, the wheat has been devastated.
		All right, Major, hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
		My guest is Major Ed Dames, and we are talking about things that have been, are now, and may yet be.
unidentified		I see trees of green.
		Red.
		I see them blue.
		And I think to myself, these skies are blue.
		Clouds brightness gains the night.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
		This is the CDC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was just thinking about this, Major.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About a hundred years ago, they would have burned you at the stake.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I've been burned pretty badly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they would have.
		I mean, you would have been declared a witch, a sorcerer, whatever.
		But in modern America, with all the news that's out about what the government did, all of a sudden what you are doing is quite accepted.
		You're getting your wish.
		The phone lines are burning up.
		We've got a million calls, so to them we go.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Major Ed Dames.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm reading Cosmic Voyage at this time, and I get the impression through Courtney's method of remote viewing.
unidentified		It's rather easy and exact.
unidentified		And what is the difference between scientific remote viewing and technical remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Scientific remote viewing versus technical remote viewing.
		Good question.
		And I don't know the answer.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you'll see in that book, there's a monitor.
		The monitor was me.
		I collaborated with Courtney on that book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Courtney, I made Courtney take my name off that book because he changed, he took away the rigorous protocols that I taught him when he was my student in the technical remote viewing course.
		And that's the long and the short of it.
		He makes it look easy because, and it's not.
		He's taken a lot of shortcuts, and those shortcuts have cost him in terms of the quality and confidence and value of the material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet you don't seem to disagree with him necessarily with regard to a lot of the information on Mars.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I do not disagree with some of the remote viewing data in the book, because I was his monitor for most of that book and had him on a tight leash.
		And he was a good student.
		But he went off, I wouldn't say on a tangent, but he dropped these protocols.
		And why, and I don't know why my students think that they can teach this the moment they graduate.
		They're by no means professionals.
		I have 15 or more years of remote viewing experience under my belt and still learn things each day as an instructor.
		But I warn my students not to attempt to teach this.
		And yet many of them still go out in a very enthusiastic manner thinking that they can teach these and changing the protocol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, how many of your students, percentage-wise, have become rogue students?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I would say percentage-wise About 10%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10%.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		10%.
		They've gone off to do things and they've changed the names.
		We've controlled remote viewing in the case of one student who failed my military course.
		That wasn't even a graduate.
		Then we have scientific remote viewing and God knows what else.
		And more power to the students if they use these techniques for their own benefit to see if, and to research for research reasons.
		But to try to attempt to promulgate their results using these very loose protocols as being equivalent to what they learned in a professional development course is just not right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you, sir?
unidentified		This is Kevin in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston, yes, sir.
unidentified		A couple items.
		I guess if he was born some time ago, he would have been burned at the stake.
		That's why Nostradamus was so cagey about everything he came up with.
		Sure.
		I've messed with this a few times, and it really scared me.
		I think the first time was the blackout in New York City, and I was shocked today to see an ad for this trigger effect movie that's coming out.
		Seems to be a direct knockoff from James Burke back in the 70s.
		A couple questions.
		One, in regards to the collective unconscious, do you use this as a vehicle of the matrices, or are you afraid of tainting what it is you're seeing by your own collective unconscious or what?
		And the second is what's your opinion about other people focusing on what it is you and SciTech are doing, and do you focus on others in the same field, and so on at infinitum?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, those are good questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Regarding the taining, that's why the protocols are in place, right?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that that wouldn't altogether answer Kevin's question.
		I'll answer the second question first.
		We just don't have the time, nor really the interest, because there are so many fascinating things out there, to look at what other people are doing in these days and times.
		There's just too much going on out there that's pretty interesting and exciting.
		I don't find time to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but suppose they're stealing your work?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, they wouldn't be stealing my work.
		They could go, if they were professional remote viewers, they could go to the same collective unconscious from whence we derive our data to get the same data.
		Because this is a replicable tool.
		That's why the scientific community has supported it, at least the DOD scientific community.
		So remote viewers go to the same source of information, the collective unconscious, to download the same information, the same way we do on the Internet or any other library database.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, with regard to the tainting that he mentioned.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I could say a number of things about tainting.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure exactly what treatment is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, he was talking about the collective unconscious.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Are we tainting it?
		If we're all immersed as individuals, our individual consciousnesses and our collective unconsciousness as an extension of that, we're immersed in the collective, then anything we do is going to affect that matrix, that library.
		So I think that as a, for instance, in modern times, as a race, our collective consciousness and possibly unconscious is chaos.
		Take a look around you.
		Is that where we're going for our information?
		I don't think so.
		I think that it's at another level.
		And I don't want to get into that too much now because it gets into eschatological and theoretical concepts that we cover in our initial instruction in class, and it is complex.
		But painting, yes, I think that all of us as individuals en masse affect the collective unconscious.
		We're all painting it.
		Every time we see a movie that's violent, every time we make some, create violence, that becomes our collective.
		So we're painting it all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if that's the case, then what has this recent blockbuster movie, ID4, done to the collective unconsciousness regarding extraterrestrials?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I'm equipped to answer that, Art.
		I'm a pretty simple guy, and I'd have to study that for a long time before I'd sit on a rock somewhere on top of a mountain, probably before I could come to a conclusion, and it would still probably be BS.
		So I don't think I can answer that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let me be more specific in this area.
		On a previous show, the major said, when asked about Area 51, that there wasn't any ETs there, but that they do exist, and he'd tell us about them on another show.
		This is another show.
		How about it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, Area 51 are no ETs.
		I've talked about what's there, and a great length.
		It's some very sexy technology, and it belongs to the U.S. government.
		The Air Force loves it, by the way.
		ETs, the grays appear to be real.
		And they appear to be probably, I'd say, nominally 100,000 years or possibly 100 million years in advance of us.
		They can do virtually anything they want, and they do.
		In fact, we'll have more to say about what they do when we publish our report on the website on the Chupacabra and related instant events.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're publishing a report on the Chupacabra?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's our SciTech high demand.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		On our website, we have a category of reports that we do for the most popular things where the public gets to choose what SciTech does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no kidding.
unidentified		Yeah.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And the Chupacabra is an on-demand project that we get from the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		High on the list.
		Well, you know, there's a lot of laughing going on.
		T-shirts being printed and all the rest of it.
		But the fact of the matter is, if you watch Telemundo or Mexican television, it sure as hell is no joke down there.
		And thousands of animals have been taken out by something.
		There's something out there.
		Any thoughts or are you holding that for later?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're going to hold that because it's it's more interesting than you might imagine.
		It is esoteric, but it's nevertheless interesting.
		The only reason we're doing it, once again, this area of phenomenology, is because this high demand.
		People have said, do this, do this, do this, are many of the requests that we get on the internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, they can get to your site through my site very simply.
		It's just a quick jump go up to my site.
		You'll see it there.
		And it's www.artbell.com.
		And it's available right now.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, you just answered one of my questions was, what's his website address?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, as I say, and it's been up there for quite some time, because there's massive interest in it, you can just jump right over from my website.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And the other question was, he speaks about these things so matter of factly, but I think a lot of the scientific community is very skeptical about paranormal phenomena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure they are.
unidentified		And what I wanted to know is, did he have some kind of a mechanism, a physical mechanism, some physics we don't understand yet, by which this remote viewing or other paranormal things might happen?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We use no equipment.
unidentified		No, I don't mean that.
		I mean what physics or how is it that these you're able to remote view by means that we don't understand right now?
		What physics do we need to understand in order to understand what you're doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is there a way to understand it through traditional physics?
		How about that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We don't think so.
		We think the closest that we have models, we have to have models in order to train it.
		It is not psychoenergetic.
		There are no energetics involved that we understand or know of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's one of those things where the proof is in the pudding.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's replicable.
		And that is trained professionals working independent of each other produce similar results against the same target.
		That is part of the scientific method.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it is provable scientifically that it can be done.
		You've certainly done that.
		But it is not discernible with regard to the physics, if it is physics behind it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We do not have a theory.
		We have working hypotheses.
		We have models that we've borrowed from many other disciplines.
		But we do not have a theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, this.
		Could you please ask the major if, in his work, he has ever discovered that the soul exists as many probable selves which exist simultaneously?
		Let's make it more simple and ask you about the nature of the soul first.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that this subject was broached on an earlier program also.
		I'm sure.
		And again, the area, in common parlance, in present-day parlance, the buzzword is continuity of consciousness.
		And that area, subsumed under that, are studies on the soul.
		For our company, this is the most difficult, perplexing, complex area that we know of.
		It's our most difficult study.
		And as I've said before, the jury's out in the house here at SciTech as to what we're dealing with, whether we have over-souls or fractal souls or whatever.
		We're convinced that there is something, that personality is, as of course, many savants have said through the ages, personality persists after death.
		Whether or not what it is before death, we don't have a clear handle on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, are there some things that even with remote viewing capability, this may be an example of one of those things that simply will not be known?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think that there probably are.
		We've run into some pretty difficult problems.
		Ideas of afterlife or pre-life being one of them.
		It may not be that it's inscrutable.
		It may be that we just don't have the proper software, if you will, the proper paradigms in place.
		These things may be beyond our ken presently.
		And it may not be that remote viewing can't discern them properly.
		We just may not have the ability to convert them into concepts that we presently understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do remote viewers have more difficulty or is there a degree of difficulty greater or lesser in viewing the present, the future, or the past?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There doesn't appear to be any difference in difficulty in terms of given the same target of a building, for instance, or a monument.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		If one remote views a structure in the past, present, or future, it is just as easy to perceive details about that structure through time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a real whizbanger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As you look into the future and you get more and more distant into the future, does there come a time or a time, I guess that'd be the way to phrase it, past which you are unable to see or you see nothing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There is an event in the future that we don't understand.
		It is so abstract and esoteric, and beyond that, it's as if people change.
		It's as if they're not people anymore.
		We don't understand what the event is.
		We don't understand what happens to people.
		We have not prosecuted this as a project because my company can't make any money on it, and we have to make a living like any other business does.
		But we find this event fascinating.
		And it doesn't appear to be in the distant future.
		And that's what is so fascinating.
		One of the things is so fascinating.
		It appears to be not far away.
		And I don't know what else to say about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
		All right.
		Then I will ask you about the opposite.
		Scientists have puzzled, and there is incredible controversy about how all that is got here.
		You know, they talk about the Big Bang, and then you will ask, and I've had many physicists and people who think of these things on the air, and there's one place where they inevitably get stuck.
		They say, Yes, we believe in the Big Bang.
		And you ask them, what happened, in your view, one second before the Big Bang, and that's where they stop.
		They're puzzled.
		They have no answer.
		Any thoughts on that?
		It's kind of like the reverse of the question I asked you about the future.
		In other words, as you go back, is there a point past which there is nothing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have not done any work like that using technical remote current.
		Nothing like that.
		I probably have not had the interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, all right.
		Then that one stays on the table, and everybody will remain puzzled.
		Major, stand by.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Boy, is this fascinating stuff or what?
		My guest is SciTech Major Ed Dames.
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		We'll be right back.
		Major, this is going to be a hard one.
		Could you look ahead to the moment of and manner of your own physical death?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I can, and we as professional remote viewers can indeed do that, yes.
		Now, we assume that that is the highest likelihood, the most probable future.
		Almost a fait accompli.
		But we could sidestep it, perhaps.
		I really don't know.
		But we can describe the event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to yourself, have you done it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have not done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Consciously, in other words, you don't want to do it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think I prefer not to know.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We know that we can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I agree with you.
		I agree.
		I wouldn't want to look ahead either.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I've had many students want to look at their own deaths, but that isn't something I personally would favor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wouldn't rush into that either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody wants to know, with regard to the earth changes that you have described, when is, in your view, the last possible moment that relocation would be feasible?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I've thought about some of those practical matters for myself.
		And for myself, it means moving to a fairly distant point.
		And that would mean hopping on an aircraft and flying there.
		And I think I would probably want to do that within the next two years, three years, because travel will be sporadic after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		To the first time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Mary from Rochester, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mary.
unidentified		And I was wondering if either you or your guest had been listening to Paul Harvey about three weeks ago.
		He was discussing these 16 children that had been found dead in Norway.
		And the thing about it all is they had the two marks on the neck, and every single one of them had died from lack of blood.
		And there was this animal that had been sighted there at the occasion.
		Wow.
		It looked like an extremely huge pig, but it had wings and could fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what we're talking about then.
		Major, I had not heard that story, but I take your honor her word that Paul Harvey did report on it.
		That's an amazing story.
		Again, we come back to, I think, the chuba gabra.
		There is something out there, Major?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's something that's esoteric in nature.
		We can pin it down.
		It will take some work.
		But a report like this, if this is an actual event, would be a very attractive thing for my company to do.
		This is the kind of enigma and the kind of serious event that we would turn our attention to.
		I would drop our ongoing Chupacabra work if this were a real event that police agencies could not solve.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the end of side one.
unidentified		Please leave me.
		This is CBC.
		CBC.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are right in the middle of the Democrats convention, and I don't know anything about your politics, and I'm not even going to ask.
		But I will ask you, have you targeted the presidential elections?
		Do you have any idea what will happen?
unidentified		Yes, we have.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We've looked at the next president of the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you care to tell us?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think I'd rather not.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Not only am I a simple man, but I'm a chicken.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not a remote viewer, but I think I know what's going to happen.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can barely hear you, so you're going to have to yell at us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm going to teach yourself to remote view.
		And you said you can run into trouble doing this.
		Well, what sort of troubles can you run into?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, it's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And are there dangers?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I know of no dangers to one's person or one's psyche.
		So in fact, no dangers.
		In terms of accuracy, there are extreme problems.
		You really can't teach yourself to remote view.
		You have to know the protocols and you have to be taught these things.
		If one were to try to teach oneself to ice skate or to fly without ever seeing that done, you would run into some problems.
		You wouldn't be able to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People really need to understand this is not something that was acquired through channeling from the great guru of the past or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was developed by the U.S. military.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		You have to be able to recognize when your imagination is present and overlaying the information from the target.
		You have to also know and be taught when your own personal opinions, your analysis of the data, either the conscious or the pre-conscious level, is overlaying the data.
		Those are just two of the real problems that I, as an instructor, run into in the classroom in the first three or four days of instruction.
		After that, those problems are gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't not a worry of yours, you mentioned that you've got 10% rogue students, students that go out there and either don't finish the course or take off in their own direction.
		Isn't that a danger for the entire reputation, not of your company, but of remote viewing in general?
		In other words, as more and more students pass through, that 10% number begins to grow, the actual numerical number of those who are out there, in effect, doing harm to the reputation of remote viewing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's extremely disturbing for me.
		It reminds me of the situation vis-a-vis clairvoyant in the late 1800s where psychometry was recognized.
		There was something to psychometry.
		That is, psychometry is similar to clairvoyant ESP techniques.
		And yet, there were so many charlatans that began to spring up around the idea of this very real phenomenon that they painted the whole field to the point where the public no longer trusted anyone in the field of psychometry at all.
		And it took another 35 years before parapsychology could come along and be resurrected.
		This was in the 1920s in Europe primarily and begin to build a new reputation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was Nostradamus doing?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what Nostradamus was doing in terms of clairvoyant activity, in terms of his mind.
		But my company is going to publish a series of reports, and I think he'll be very interested in that, where we're going to call that series of reports, Through His Eyes, where we use modern technical remote doing methods to take a look at the most controversial quatrains that Nostradamus put out cryptically to protect his own height, of course.
		Sure.
		And put those in 21st century terms and see what he was really looking at.
		We can do this fairly easily.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do live in a very different age, and you don't have to couch your results as he did in Quatrains.
		However, are there dangers for you in this modern day and age if not being burned at the stake physically?
		You can certainly be burned at the stake in the media.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'm fairly used to that, but because of the replicability, the actual competence fact that we have in our work and our ability to do things the right way, we can counteract any negative media because we can produce real results.
		We can demonstrate it for the camera.
		In fact, we're doing that with several documentaries.
		We're demonstrating for the camera the actuality and the validity of remote viewing.
		Work in the next year, of course, on things like the Mars work that we're doing now will help to support that.
		Yes, we will continue to be burned.
		The vultures are hovering.
		This is an extremely controversial discipline that's ahead of its time in some ways, but in other ways it's not.
		It's people who tend to criticize technical remote viewing are being left behind.
		There's too much support.
		There's too much truth in what's going on, and people are discerning it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I think you have a great show.
unidentified		I've been getting a lot of people interested in it, and my wife has hooked as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Fairfield, California.
		This is Ron.
		All right.
		Mr. Dames, in your last show, on the Art Bell show, one of the last shows, you mentioned you were one of the members of the UFO working group.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There was a group that was mentioned in Howard Boom's book out there.
		Yeah, I read the book.
		Okay.
		That particular working group, which was third or fourth-hand information to Howard Boone.
		Yes, I was a member of that working group.
unidentified		In as far as being a member of that group, did you at any time or have you verified the existence or validity of either the MJ-12 group and or documents?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Not as far as we're concerned, what we know to be true is this, that the MJ-12, the terms MJ-12 and Aquarius, appear to have been trapdoors.
		I think I've covered this story several times, but I'll go over it briefly again.
		Because of certain events that had occurred at Socorro, New Mexico, in a nuclear weapons storage depot that dealt with unusual phenomena, UFO-related, the Operations Security Officer, a colonel in the Air Force at the time, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, was tasked with coming up with answers to what had violated physical security of storage bunkers.
		Because civilian scientists were thought at the time to have more knowledge about UFO phenomena than military officers, those particular operations, those security people had to go out on the streets and try to squeeze information, obtain information about those events without giving away the fact that security had been compromised at Socorro.
		And so certain things were invented.
		Certain documents were ginned up and released.
		Some of them came in the form of MJ12 and Aquarius, where if someone spoke the words MJ12 and Aquarius on the phone, certain lights and bells and whistles would go off and individuals would be followed and or observed to see if they had more information on what penetrated security.
unidentified		Wow.
		One last comment, too.
		You were talking earlier about the event beyond which you can't see where the people's consciousness tends to change, if I remember correctly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a little more serious than that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It seems like more than their consciousness changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, the point past which you see nothing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's not necessarily nothing.
		It's something that's extremely esoteric, and we don't have a handle on it yet.
		It doesn't appear to be essentially negative, but it's scary even to me.
unidentified		I do have some assistance maybe on this.
		In my perusal on the web, can I mention a website on the air?
		Sure.
		I ran across, now, I don't know the validity of this, yay or nay, but there is reputedly and allegedly Grays having their own website, particularly Zeta Talk, Z-E-T-A, Zetatalk.com.
		And that site is extensive.
		In fact, it is so extensive you can order a book that is the HTML pages of the website and produce at your own convenience or if you don't have a computer.
		But anyway, they concur, you know, in line with everything that you've said that you've found.
		And their comments, in as far as what that is, is that they propose that the human consciousness is going, or the what have you, is going to be changed into what they refer to as a fourth density, where we go from being individual persons to being a collective, like you mentioned yourself, the collective entity.
		And it's really out there.
		I mean, some of that stuff I have trouble believing myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like cosmic communism.
unidentified		Yeah, but it's interesting to note that on this website, the Zeta Reticulans have also critiqued Courtney Brown's book and have also said that the data contained therein is a mix and match of Hodgepodge truth and or mistruth, being to the fact that there are, again, allegedly, good grays and bad grays.
unidentified		And both of these entities have attempted to purport information to Courtney and have subsequently not gotten their meaning across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, let's ask about that.
		There are EGs, you already said that.
		Are there, from our perspective, good ones and bad ones?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It appears that there are because they have to govern themselves through time.
		I mean, think about this.
		They can travel in time.
		Locally, they don't use vehicles.
		They use teleportation.
		So the vehicles that you see, the objects that you see, are technologies that belong predominantly to Grays, especially the red and blue spheres in the sky that dance around and talk to teenagers.
		Say, don't be afraid, you want to come with us.
		Those are actual technologies that belong to Grays.
		The Greys have a long history, really long.
		Time travel started with them way back when.
		And so you have a generation, first generation of gray time travelers who decided to visit Earth, visiting Earth now, along with future generations of Grays visiting Earth too, attempting to coordinate efforts.
		So it's a real mess out there, and we are being monkey with.
		And that's the long and the short of it.
		Beyond that, as far as my job goes, we have to take things a piece at a time, an event at a time.
		It takes a long time to technically remote view an event.
		For instance, now we're working on one of the things we're working on is a cash landrum event.
		That's very important to us in terms of technologies and what is happening.
		I think that in the end, what we would like to do, at least in-house, is to, instead of trying to piece together all these things, the histories that have happened over these vast spans of time, we would like to sit down and have a tape-to-tape or coffee clash with the Grays themselves.
		Talk to them or allow them to communicate with us.
		Rather than using remote viewing to try to piece together all of these elements of history.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can remote viewing be used as a form of communication to them?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It cannot.
		Remote viewing is a passive act.
		It's like pulling a book off a library shelf allegorically.
		It is not two-way communications.
		Anything other than that is channeling.
		And channeling is not scientifically replicable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no way you can cause any physical manifestation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't cause me to have a heart attack, an aneurysm.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, this is an entirely passive act.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		What you're talking about is psychokinesis or telekinesis and other things that we cover in our first couple of days of lectures in class and have nothing to do with technical remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's an old item that I've been interested in for years with more than just passing interest.
		Ouija boards.
		Ouija boards.
		Are they simply a sort of a door that opens or is it that people, is there anything to a Ouija board?
		Or is it the mindset that people get into when they use them?
		Or what can you tell us?
unidentified		Anything?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me regress to a point just for a moment, and that is that we haven't seen any bad grades so far.
		Anything that we would say is bad.
		So I don't want to comment further on that.
		I'm not convinced that there are bad grays.
		But Ouija board.
		Now, I want to preface what I'm about to say with a comment that if I answer this question, this is one man, this is Ed Dame's opinion.
		This has nothing to do with SciTech Incorporated.
		Don't have a Ouija board in your house, and do not allow your children to play with one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised at that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It is as if you sent a searchlight up into a dark dimension, and the searchlight is like an open door to a lot of different things that you probably Don't want affecting your loved ones and yourself.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I would not have a Ouija board in my house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised at your answer.
		I'm really not surprised.
		Please ask the major if he or his firm has ever targeted either of the following: arts parts, those parts delivered to me, and I well know you have, or the near-death experience.
		Now, let's forget about arts parts for a moment.
		And what about the near-death experience?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have not targeted that as an event.
		We know a lot about that because there were a lot of background studies that went into the work we did in the military.
		I had to investigate many, many different types.
		I was given carte blanche to investigate many, many different areas of phenomenology and the occult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked at it enough to know that the near-death experience is real?
unidentified		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's real.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And the descriptions that are generally out there with current books are pretty close to what we know to be true.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major, hold tight.
		This really is good stuff.
		Major Ed Dames is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell, and you're listening to the CBC Radio Network.
unidentified		Stand by.
		It's all right and it's coming home.
		We gotta get right back to where we started going.
		Love is good.
		Love is strong.
		We gotta get right back to where we started going.
		This is CBC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to SciTech's Major Ed Dames.
		Major, I was kind of joking around a minute ago, but then it occurred to me to ask you about remote viewing and health.
		In other words, there are people who claim to be healers.
		It would seem to me remote viewing might have a lot of application in diagnostics.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, it does.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We spend a lot of time doing that, both in the classroom and out of the classroom.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can actually look at somebody internally and determine where there is a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you led there automatically, or does it require, on the part of the student or the viewer, almost medical knowledge?
unidentified		No.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's fairly easy to do once you learn the remote viewing protocols.
		However, if there is a problem that's either biochemically or microbiologically complex, then a physician or someone who has that thesaurus, who is on with that lexicon, really needs to do the work.
		However, having said that, as trained remote viewers, we're really trained observers, technical observers.
		So if I, not being a virologist, for instance, I could be guided the same way that an unskilled pilot could be guided from the ground into solving a problem just by virtue of looking at specific things that a technical expert would ask me to look at.
		They could ask a series of questions, and I could go back into the problem, in this case being a human body, and answer a question about a molecular action site, whether or not a particular enzyme is doing something or what a particular liquid that someone is supposed to drink tastes like, those kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it the AMA has not embraced this method just yet.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't deal with the AMA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Anaheim, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speak up good and loud for us.
unidentified		All righty.
		I missed your show about a week ago, and my father told me about it.
		And I believe it was about the jet stream coming down or some kind of atmospheric vibration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The major, my guest right now, has said that one of the things he sees is the jet stream, in effect, coming down to the deck, producing tremendous winds on Earth.
unidentified		And does he know what the duration was?
unidentified		Is that going to take like five years for it to happen and then it's going to last for five years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a reasonable question.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We don't have timelines on that event.
		We know that it's beginning to happen now that the jet stream is shifting southward and it's beginning to ride like a snake.
		But it's also beginning to drop.
		And when it does, it will come close to the surface of the earth and produce lots of microbursts and lots of very turmoil-related weather patterns.
		And that will really aggravate crop growing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting little item for you, Major.
		And I remembered what you said when I heard this.
		About, oh, I don't know, two, three weeks ago, there was a report that they had experienced 120 mile per hour winds in Arizona.
		And I don't recall in my lifetime, other than in a tornado or perhaps, you know, a major hurricane, 120 mile-an-hour winds.
		That just doesn't happen.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't happened to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it has happened, but in my memory, prior to that, it had not happened.
		There was a very great deal of damage in parts of Arizona, and it was due to 120-mile-an-hour winds.
		And when I heard that, I remembered what you said.
		Now, somebody else writes, when the major was last on your show, you asked him what he saw regarding earth changes, earthquakes.
		There was a long pause before he answered.
		Quote, beyond all that, humans are more durable.
		We appear to undergo some changes.
		Then he expanded on the durability of future generations and stated, in terms of earth changes, only what my company stands by, in other words, high winds and other atmospheric geological changes, he previously discussed.
		It appeared to me from the major's long pause and comment regarding human durability that he was specifically sidestepping The earthquake question.
		Major?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That was not what I was pausing about in terms of human durability.
		The pause was because it appears that there is a genetic change in humans, and I don't know what the source of that genetic change is.
		That was the cause for pause.
		In terms of earthquakes, we're not perceiving and describing anything that is outside of the norm.
		Yes, we get some big quakes here and there, but I think statistically, no greater frequency and no greater magnitudes spreading globally than we have now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Major, we have twice now noted shifts in the magnetic north.
		This has occurred twice on my program, and I have had literally hundreds of faxes of people who have noted for hours, or in one case a full day, a shift in magnetic north, a significant one, 10 to 15 degrees, and we can literally track it across from Hawaii to the Caribbean.
		In other words, that shift with respect to magnetic north is in a different direction as you travel, naturally.
		But that there has been a shift in magnetic north.
		Do you know anything at all about this?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A number of years ago, about eight years ago, the military, I had tasked the military team with investigating these kinds of things, pole shift types of ideas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		And what we came up with in those days was the idea of a 12-degree pole shift.
		Now, we do not know what that means.
		The 12 degrees appears to be accurate.
		But what we did not understand at the time was whether or not that meant 12 degrees in an axis shift in true north or 12 degrees in magnetic north.
		And we've never followed up on that research.
		There's just too much to look at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting because 12 degrees is about what people have noticed, if there's an average about 12 degrees.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Las Vegas, all right.
unidentified		My name is Brenda.
		And I have a few questions.
		First of all, I'd like to know if he has any opinions as far as astrology, tarot reading, and other fortune-telling.
		And also, I'd like to know with his ability and his teaching of it, what is the ultimate purpose and goal of having a knowing that other than to make money?
		Not negative, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
		No, it's a perfectly reasonable question.
		First, astrology.
		We'll settle for just asking about astrology.
		The stars, the study of the stars and their effect on human beings and behavior and so forth.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know a lot about it, Art.
		And Brenda, I've been known as a military officer to hold those things in disdain.
		I've publicly made statements like that before, but those were probably naive, if not ignorant, statements.
		I just don't know whether there's something there or not, and I haven't looked at it personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair answer.
		All right, now, with respect to what you're doing, motivations.
		You're a private corporation.
		Sci-tech is a company.
		I presume SciTech needs to make a profit or SciTech will disappear as an entity.
		So one purpose of what you're doing is obviously to make money, yes?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We're a for-profit corporation incorporated under the laws of the state of New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you claim higher purpose as well?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I love my work, and I love my job.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that's a higher purpose or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a good answer.
		No, that would be my answer, too.
		And if the money comes, fine.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		Dear Art, love the program.
		Thanks so much.
		Major Dame said that a lab has an effective combatant for AIDS, that they didn't know they have it, but that they do.
		You inadvertently stepped on the last part of his statement where he said he knew.
		I don't think you even heard that part, Art.
		Could you please ask him about it again and see if he will tell us who has the AIDS answer?
		Thank you so much.
		Trish from Michigan.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I meant to speak hypothetically and say that, generally speaking hypothetically, that many times when there is a technological or scientific solution to a problem, we find that someone already has that either in their head or in the laboratory or both.
		And we can walk into that specific person and say, you have the answer to this engineering problem or something else.
		In the case of AIDS, we really have looked at, remote viewers have independently come up with at least three separate individuals worldwide.
		And there's mutually supporting data here that indicates that three individuals have three separate possible solutions, near-term solutions to the AIDS problem.
		Until we do this as a corporate contract, because there's so much work involved, we're really not going to be able to make a public statement about this or to go in and solve it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, resources.
		Resources are important.
		And if you set your people to work, you're compelled to work on a project and you have no support for that, you are in essence doing charity work.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're capacity constrained, and we do businesses like any other business.
		And there are very few corporate contracts that I will accept these days.
		Most of the time, as I've said in the past, in the earlier years of this company, I founded it in 1989, that we did a lot of corporate contracts.
		But now I almost insist that corporations send their chief scientists, engineers, or researchers to take the course so the problems are solved in-house.
		And I send back a SciTech acting as a cadre.
		I send back trained Professionals.
		But in some cases, where we would anticipate a very important piece of work, for instance, a solution to the AIDS problem, we would devote our corporate resources to that for about two months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, please recap any statements made by Major Dames with regard to life on Mars, especially in comparison or contrast to statements made previously by Courtney Brown.
		So let's come out and ask you that.
		With respect to what Courtney has said and written about Mars, where do you differ with him, if at all?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I have any number of differences with him.
		All that we stand by, that my company stands by, is that there are machines moving on the surface, robotic in behavior.
		There is a command and control cell, which may or may not be humanoid in nature.
		It may be a combination of both robots and some type of life form.
		We're working on that now.
		In terms of the Martians, there was a Martian race.
		We certainly agree with Mr. Hoagland vis-a-vis Cydonia Crater.
		We are also working on a specific structure that has been called in the past the tetrahedron, and that is in Sidonia region.
		There's something moving in there.
		It's a very important structure.
		We're going to publish a report on that.
		That's there.
		We stand by that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you agree with Mr. Hoagland that NASA knows much that it will not say, is not saying?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't agree with that.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have found NASA to be the most arrogant of all federal agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arrogant?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Arrogant.
		And they're just not going to believe anything other than what they want to believe.
		And I think they're going to need to lose a few more spacecraft before they, with hat in hand, come to anyone for outside assistance, outside of NASA, that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		This is Wanda.
		And I'd like to know, I have two questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Wanda?
unidentified		Tennessee.
		All right.
		One, how do you go about applying for his training?
		And number two, what is his feeling on time?
		Is it linear, or do you feel it's all happening right now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you go about applying to take your course?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We will send out, people can either write us, email us, or write to P.O. Box 3762, Beverly Hills, California, 90212.
		They can write us a letter stating that they would like information about training.
		We'll send them a training packet to describe what training is and application procedures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's SITECHECH.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
		No, that's not that.
		You did it too fast.
		They can't write that.
		Everybody's grabbing for a pencil, you know, half asleep.
		It's SciTech.
		That's P-S-I-Tech, T-E-C-H, P-O-Box 3762, Beverly Hills, California.
		What a prestigious address.
		Beverly Hills, California, but you'll only be there for a few more years.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A couple more years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A couple more years.
		Zip code 90212.
		And you will send out a packet of info.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or they can also go to your web page right.
		Correct?
		Correct.
		Okay.
		I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt, but I have to do that or people drive me crazy.
		So continue.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Okay, time.
		Time for us as material creatures appears to be linear in that experience is memories, experience appear to be important to us as creatures.
		Time in terms of remote viewing, technical remote viewing, appears to drop out of the equation and it appears to be sort of planar in nature.
		We could look at a person's life as a fixed type of a timeline and perceive lots of different events in that person's life concurrently, if you would.
		But that's a real short answer to a complex problem.
		We cover this in our lectures in the course.
		And our ideas of time, even right now, our theoretical physicists are still not grasping the essence of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really must be an ultimate question for a remote viewer that can look from the past to the present to the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That must be a central question for you, the very nature of time itself, because you travel through it so frequently.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's not that we're traveling through it.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We simply turn our attention to different points in what we call time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that you can even do that, though, must be a cause of wonderment for those who do it.
		Major, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		Major Ed Dames is my guest.
		You're listening to live overnight talk radio from the high desert.
		Briefly, arts parts.
		We need to come back to that with you, Major.
		We have continued to test and look and try to figure out what it is that was sent to us by this anonymous source from Charleston, South Carolina, and then yet a later shipment.
		A very odd material, bismuth, magnesium with some zinc, in a manner that rare metals manufacturers have been unable to comment on.
		They've been unable to duplicate.
		They don't know what the purpose is.
		There's some guessing going on about that.
		It's been to Carnegie in Washington, D.C. for careful analysis.
		Electron scanning microscope photographs have been taken, some anomalous results from Carnegie.
		And still, it remains to this moment an absolute, total mystery.
		Nobody can tell us about it, duplicate it, or anything else.
		So it's a mystery.
		And you had words to say about it when you were on the program previously.
		Do you want to repeat Roughly what you said.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Let me say something else about it first.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Remember what I said about MJ-12 and Aquarius?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		How those trapdoors were put out on the streets because the Department of Defense did not know or did not have the assets in-house to understand what they were dealing with?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Suppose you had a material, the origin from whence you did not understand, and all of your in-house assets could not figure out what this debris perhaps was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Why not do the same thing?
		Send it out to the Severian community and let them work on it until the cows come home.
		Maybe what would you lose?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Nothing.
		So, you're not dealing with a classified material.
		If it were classified, you wouldn't have it.
		And it might be scrap material.
		But if it were scrap material, somebody from ALCOA or somebody else that has classified government contracts to make missile fuselages or something else like that, like Aurora diamond-coated surfaces, would be able to say, oh yeah, we remember making something like that, and they have not done that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		So you may have something else.
		And what I'm suggesting to you that that something else may be, is an earthbound material, but from over the horizon in time, perhaps several years, a decade away.
		It slipped back in time during the test and crashed in the desert.
		Was retrieved, and you have pieces of it right now.
		The technology is just about what we can do now, but not quite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not quite.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		There's another generation of metallurgical technology ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you, a very prestigious research lab undertook trying to duplicate what I have.
		And they made something.
		But compared to what we've got, it was crude and not even close.
		So there you are.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A little bit more time.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, here's a fact to follow up on that from Hawaii.
		I have an important question.
		Major says we'll soon be having terrible times.
		Massive disruptions, forced to live ultimately underground.
		He also says arts parts are the result of future high technology sending something into the past.
		Question is, how do we have high-tech, advanced science at the same time we're all struggling to live, forced underground, in the face of massive disruptions?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That high-tech technology is right around the corner.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The massive disruptions are a little bit further out, aren't it?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the end of side one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please leave the cassette.
unidentified		This is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to the lines.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Woodlands Hills.
		All right.
		Question is, I was wondering if the major had done anything about research on the pyramids.
		Specifically, what, if anything, is in them that no one is telling us or that they might know, and what also might be underneath the Sphinx that I've heard about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful question.
		Graham Hancock and others, many others, have talked about that.
		They think there is a wealth of knowledge, a virtual library, possibly containing the knowledge of a previous civilization in a chamber below the Sphinx.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		The company has not looked at any interiors of the pyramids, except perhaps for one on Mars that I told you that we're working on.
		It happens to be very similar to symmetries and geometries here on Earth of pyramids of Giza, for instance.
		The Sphinx is another question.
		It's a very interesting target.
		In fact, it's interesting enough that if we get any more requests to do it, we'll probably put it up, we'll probably do it as an on-demand, SciTech on-demand project.
		If you look at the website again, you'll see that there are requests to do certain things.
		And there does appear to be certain evidence that suggests that we have that there is a hidden chamber underneath the left foot of the Sphinx.
		Now, what it holds, I do not know in terms of knowledge base, but nevertheless has not been discovered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're getting close to going after that one.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		It's attractive enough where it wets one's appetite as a remote viewer and be worthy of being turned into a project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people, Major, don't understand why many times you can't or won't give specific answers or say we haven't looked at that.
		And they simply don't understand that when you undertake to do a project like this, it takes a great deal of time, a lot of money, a lot of resources, and it's not a trivial matter.
		It's not like you sit down and just conjure up the answer to this in a few minutes.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, the information has to be, the answer has to be the answer, and the information has got to be correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what is the accuracy rating?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I won't ask you of remote viewing in general because you couldn't answer that, but of SciTech specifically.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I can answer it in terms of technical remote viewing.
		What we teach, our new trainees are expected to produce results that are 80% correct on the first go-round, 20% error rate.
		What this company puts out on the streets is expected to be 100% correct.
		We're the first in history that guarantees our product.
		But we don't do that as individuals.
		Even the best remote viewer in the world is not going to be 100% correct all the time.
		We do it as a team, just the same way we did it as a military team of remote viewers.
		And it is hard work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wanted people to understand that, because I think casually listening to this program, they might get the impression that you sort of personally just go into a little trance and come up with sudden answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is not the way it happens.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		No, it takes a lot of work.
		The protocols are the same.
		The protocols are standardized and all of that.
		But it has to be done over and over again, double-checked, triple-checked.
		And to the point where, again, your tax dollars are at work.
		We were able to employ this in life or death situations or to support critical command decisions in national emergencies or where the use of deadly force, that is, dropping bombs on targets, was needed.
		And I have civilianized those techniques.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Easter of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Mr. Bell and Major Dames.
		I have two quick questions.
		I was curious, I mentioned many people of average intelligence and some who are rather intelligent have gone through your remote during training.
		But have you ever had someone with unusual cognitive abilities, such as someone with the Savant syndrome or autism, go through the training?
		And the second question is, do you or any of your associates have any idea of where Jimmy Hoffett is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's tackle the Savant question first.
		People of average intelligence versus those who appear to be gifted psychically or intuitively, Major.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think also the gentleman was asking about cognitive difficulties.
		No, except for dyslexia.
		We've had several dyslexics go through, and we can accommodate that.
		There's a couple of things we have to do to correct the effects, particularly in sketching.
		Sometimes, for instance, in cardinal directions, when we get into higher stages and we have to locate things, the dyslexic will often sketch the cardinal directions out of phase by 90 degrees.
		They'll rotate north to east or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The dyslexic would not see President Kennedy shooting Oswald.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Is this going to be a joke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was a joke.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		That was a joke.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the organization, what was it?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Damn, Mothers Against Dyslexia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy Hoffa.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Jimmy Hoffa, we have not looked at.
		I assume, I don't know.
		Cement shoes or whatever.
		That would be a good training target, and I would deign to do that as a training target and then get back with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rumor has it that he's in a football stadium there in New Jersey somewhere.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		That would be something that we could do in training.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		A fairly easy target that a beginning trainee could handle, and we could get back with you on that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is James in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'm reading Admiral Burt's diary of 1947 when he flew into the North Pole, supposedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I wonder what the guest thinks about the hollow earth theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Hollow Earth Theory.
		The theory that there is more below the Earth than we might imagine right now.
		That is to say, before disasters begin here and we take up residence there, there's already something down there.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		None of either my military team members or my commercial team members have ever perceived anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Lots of different bases, you know, but nothing akin to the Hollow Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fair answer.
		Art, after reading your guest's partial resume, which was contained, by the way, in our last newsletter, I'm left with a question.
		I, too, was, among other agencies, a member of the Army Security Agency.
		In the process of my participation in these groups, I was required to put a signature to a document that affirmed that I would not divulge anything of a classified nature.
		This was under penalty of being a custodial guest of some federal detention center.
		As a proof of my participation, let me say my schooling in this organization was at a facility in Virginia.
		To further clarify, the first two words of this facility were Vint Hill, whatever that is.
		This name should ring a bell for your guest.
		I've never known the government to declassify anything that has a valid use.
		So, my question for your guest is, if this procedure does indeed work, how do you get around the wording of the document that I know that he would have had to have signed?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember Ventil Farms from my young days with ASA and NSA.
		So we were in the same outfit 30 years ago.
		How do I get around that?
		It's simply that this technique, the techniques that we evolved over many, many long years of hard work, were about to be thrown out by the government because of controversy.
		And so I took the techniques and my commission and went into the civilian world with them.
		That's how I got around it.
		If the government is not going to use these for any reason, they're such a powerful tool.
		It's, in my mind, as significant as the discovery of fire.
		I've said that before, I'll say it again.
		Or the rediscovery of fire in this case.
		We may be resurrecting things that have come and gone any number of times.
		And I am not about to keep that in the hands of a Department of Defense or a small coiterie of people or anybody else.
		It's going out on the streets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you at risk for that?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've been at risk.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I still am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Columbia, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Go ahead.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, go ahead, dear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, thank you.
		This is really unusual.
		I had just gotten information last week from the library about Major Ed Dames, and I am in the process of writing him a letter.
		But I won't go into the contents of the letter.
		My question is this, that I graduated from the Silva Mind Control course in 1974, and much of what he's talking about sounds like it's similar.
		But I was disappointed in Silva because there seemed to be something missing, and it was sort of vague and maybe hit and miss.
		How similar is what you're doing, or how similar is the Silva technique, to what you're doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to just guess that the Major will say that that mind course might be a good gateway to what he does, Major?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that's a good answer, Art.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Anything that allows one to recognize that there is another aspect of one's consciousness that does not come into play during normal waking hours, is a good start for my course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		See, if I listen to you long enough, I can begin to get some of it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Major Ed Dames.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Good morning, Major.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I was wondering if you had ever checked into biblical prophecies of the future.
		And also, I'm not, or HARP, either one of those.
		And one more, and I'll get off the line.
		Art does every around New Year's Eve predictions for the future year, and then he opens them up the next year.
		So we've got about four more months.
		I've been kind of keeping track after listening to the show.
		It's remarkable how many hits we're going to have this year.
		And I'm wondering if people's psyche or psychic ability, their natural psychic ability, is coming around.
		Because a lot of these predictions these folks made last New Year's Eve were really off the wall, and by God, they're coming true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely correct, Caller.
		I've been meaning to comment on that myself.
		Let's take them one at a time.
		Biblical prophecy, Major, have you ever sort of tracked the Bible?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I only want to comment on that generally.
		And being a technocrat and a manager of scientists, as I was in the past, priding myself on my job as a technical and scientific remote viewer, I can also say that there's across the board, it looks like, generally speaking, biblical prophecy is dead on.
		But I just don't want to comment on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a good general comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		HARP, this oral, this heater.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Atmospheric heater, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, atmospheric heater.
		Do you see any effects from it?
		Is it something to be concerned about?
		Or will it not have a major effect, as many worry?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		We have not remote viewed HAARP, except I think that the ozone problem and ultraviolet problem are going to eclipse HARP as a problem.
		So that's just a personal opinion.
		There is another system that has been tested in the past that is far, far more damaging than HAARP.
		But I cannot go into that at this juncture.
		I'll try to find a way around it somehow.
		But it damages the atmosphere beyond repair to the point where other intelligence officers that I worked with resigned their commission because they could not talk about it and how damaging it was.
		Those of us in the military, almost across the board, didn't care about the environment.
		I think that you can relate to that as having been in the armed forces when you're there.
		You don't think about environmental issues.
		You think about winning a war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		But later on, your conscience can get to you over the years and you realize, oh, my God, this thing is punching holes in the atmosphere and the holes aren't repairing themselves in their big hole.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finally, because we're almost out of time, the caller was dead right.
		Every year, Major, between Christmas and New Year's, I take predictions for the following year from my audience.
		And over the years, the accuracy or the hit rate of the audience generally has been going up and up and up.
		Is there a kind of collective, not remote viewing capability, but a kind of a collective consciousness with regard to what is to come?
		In other words, are people getting better at this?
		Are we somehow becoming generally more sensitive to the future?
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I think I would have to recommend Rupert Sheldrake's works, the morphogenetic field.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Anyone who is interested in why this may be happening could probably attribute it to Cheldrake's theories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You affirm, though, that it is happening.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is happening.
		And there seems to be not, if not an exponential increase in these abilities, a linear geometric increase in these abilities.
		People are becoming better and better and better, more plugged into something.
		I don't know whether that's driven by a sense of urgency at the unconscious level or what.
		But my students are becoming better and better and better at what they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		Major, we're out of time.
		Utterly out of time.
		As always, it has been an absolute pleasure, and I will not say goodbye, but to be continued.
		I'm sure we'll have you back again, my friend.
		Thank you.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		Pleasure is my.
ed dames ▲ ● ▼		I love my job, and my job is people, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Major Ed Dames, thank you, sir.
		Have a good night.
		Get some sleep.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There he is, Major Ed Dames.
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