Art Bell’s July 1996 episode dissects TWA Flight 800’s crash, questioning conflicting reports—CNN’s initial "explosive device" claim later denied—while callers propose terrorism, military mishaps, or insurance fraud. Debris tests reveal bismuth-magnesium-zinc alloys with ion emissions 65x higher than normal, defying known science; Richard Hoagland hints at diamagnetic anomalies. Meanwhile, listeners share eerie life lessons: near-death encounters, psychic harm, and Manson’s alleged pre-crime guitar recordings. Bell’s skepticism clashes with fringe theories, yet the episode lingers on unexplained phenomena—from missing black boxes to precognition—undermining official narratives while sparking paranoia about hidden truths in aviation, science, and media. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, across all these many time zones, mostly morning, I suppose.
Though in the West, from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, where it's still early evening, we zoom all the way across this nation to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Good morning, St. Thomas.
Down into South America, north for the pole.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Mart Bells.
Good to be with you.
In fact, great to be with you.
Here comes yet another week of talk radio and the unexpected.
Always the unexpected.
All right.
CNN reported at 9 o'clock on news night that preliminary tests indicate there was an explosive device on board TWA Flight 800.
They said it is not conclusive.
They said it was detected near on a wing piece near the baggage compartment.
Now here's where it begins to get a little interesting.
Later reports in the last hour or so have the NTSB denying that report.
Now, either it's true or it's not true.
Did they or did this is not I mean detection of explosive residue on a piece of the airplane has either been done or not done.
Why is this controversial?
With all we don't know about this whole mystery, this possible crime, why is it that we have to be unsure about the results of the testing?
Can anybody explain that to me?
Now, I think it was a bomb.
I've always thought so since the beginning, as you know.
Or possibly a missile.
I would say bomb, biggest probability, missile, second probability, structural failure or engine failure or something.
Catastrophic third and very slim possibility.
So I am fairly convinced that this is some sort of terrorism.
Now, there was a day that this question never, ever would have been asked.
But I will ask it.
Assuming that this turns out to be a terrorist act, assuming that they do finally determine that there was an explosive on the airplane, or that it was downed with a missile.
One of the two.
Do you think it's more likely foreign or domestic terror?
And there was a day in America where even to ask such a question about Americans would be heresy.
But of course, that day is long now, I'm sorry to say, gone.
And it is a reasonable question.
Which would you think more likely, domestic or foreign terrorism?
I've not heard anybody really ask that, and maybe that's because there has not yet until this moment been this kind of a report from CNN.
But that is what occurred to me.
Along with the same thing I thought last week.
Why are people killing for nothing?
I'll keep saying this until I turn blue in the face.
Put yourself in the position of a terrorist.
You hate the United States, whether you're foreign or domestic.
You hate our government.
You think our government is oppressive.
They killed people at Waco.
You're a foreign person who hates the U.S. for some kind of intervention that we have done.
We are the devils.
You know, I won't go through the whole litany.
Either way, if you fire a missile, put a bomb on an airplane, kill a lot of innocent people without claiming credit beforehand, so the authorities full well know what you have done without claiming credit, what have you done?
Now, hard as it is to understand terrorism at any level, and certainly you never condone it, at least when there is a claim of responsibility and it's the so-and-so third Friday organization from some country or even here in the U.S., there is a reason for it.
Release the 17, the Kuwait 17.
Remember that?
Get out of Bosnia.
Withdraw the federal jack-booted blah, blah, blah.
You know, there would be some sort of something.
But why kill for no reason?
Why kill innocent people with no apparent motive?
I can't, I just, I can't put that together in my mind.
To me, that becomes quickly part of what I call the quickening.
Bob Dole, 73 years old, for about less than an hour now.
His birthday is today.
And his report, his health report is good.
Blood pressure is low.
Cholesterol is low and so forth.
Now, they came out with a survey that said four out of ten Americans over 65 years of age say they are worried about that.
That Dole is 73.
That it would be an obstacle to his being an effective president.
He says the problem is biological and laser weapons testing carried out by the federal government.
There are things happening that defy explanation about his house, according to Duke.
He has asked the FBI to investigate.
He says, I went over there with a lot of skepticism.
The GOP legislator was persuaded after he took some photos, get this now, inside Lee's home, even though he didn't see or hear anything unusual at the time, but was surprised when guess what?
One picture shows what appears to be a light beam, he said.
Another one has cloud-like images of what is clearly a dog and then a human face.
I'm not a believer yet, but certainly there is something going on there.
I don't believe in ghosts, and neither does Mr. Lee.
He's just trying to get someone to listen to him.
So I guess Senator Duke is indeed listening.
Interesting, huh?
All right, these are going to be, it's going to be open lines.
Oh, two other little items.
One, Linda Howe and myself, covertly, because of the very nature of the tests that were performed.
As a matter of fact, there are only about three or four locations capable of doing the kind of testing we did, split the cost, Linda and I split the cost, of doing the testing on arts parts.
Where at the end where they ran the credits, you had to watch very carefully at the end where they ran the credits because the whole area out here near Perump was mentioned.
CNN reporting that indeed they have detected chemical traces indicating there was an explosive device aboard TWA Flight 800.
Later reports are saying, no, it's not true.
Now, I expect mystery and a lack of understanding about what has occurred on the part of the terrorists.
But you'd think that the media and our own government could get it together when it comes to something as serious as this.
Either it was or it was not.
I have a feeling it was.
Art, you overlook the best reason for terrorism.
Terrorism to create terror.
Whenever a terrorist group claims responsibility for an act, 99% of all the people in the country breathe a big sigh of relief once they realize they don't fit the description of the target victims.
But now, with the seemingly senseless bombing of this TWA flight, who can say they feel excluded as they board their next plane?
Just as in a biological epidemic, we are all now at risk.
We are all potential victims.
Terrorism in its purest form.
And while I had not considered that, this person is correct.
My source is the current knowledge about genetics.
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You would have to go into more detail about the study that you're referring to.
When you're looking at individual strands of DNA, that might be true.
But when you look at DNA in living cells, that's definitely not true.
dna is a self-correcting mechanism in in fact there um in many different ways it is uh for instance give me one example um uh Sometimes in DNA replication, in meiosis and mitosis, if there's incorrect replication, in other words, if one of the strands is misspelled, it'll be clipped out.
Yes, and I was very impressed on what he had to say about the Communications Decency Act.
Palmer, Alaska Dreams00:07:11
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Another question I wanted to ask him, and maybe you can help me on this too.
See, I'm researching this for a research paper, and I was wondering, last I heard it was stuck in federal court being tested on its constitutionality, I was wondering if there's been any update on that yet.
You wish you had lived life a little more instead of being immersed in being a good kid, getting good grades, and you should have been out there socializing a little more.
Art, I read an article in the Times-Pici Union here about in the last two weeks, and it had to do with a small child somewhere in the Great Lakes region.
His parents both had some problem with their DNA, and all previous children to this marriage had died.
And somehow or other, this child's DNA corrected itself, and he was perfectly healthy.
I think, no, I think that back in the 60s and 70s we actually were bringing the country together.
We were desperately trying to bring it together.
The young people, especially, they saw what was going wrong, and it was like their last great stand, and then they just kind of gave up and turned into the baby boomer generation.
The evening that I received my After Dark this month's issue, I was turning to it and tuning you in about the time the airplane had been shot down or bombed or whatever.
And it just struck me, page three, if you look in the middle of the page, the article excerpt that they brought out and highlighted.
It says, we just don't realize how vulnerable we are to missile attack.
Now, so that you might be informed, so that you might know about this critical testing.
Once again, as I mentioned, I kept my mouth shut about it until we got done with this phase of the testing for good reason.
There were only about three or four places in the whole country that could have done the testing, and with some of the sort of, what's the word for it, dark background to some of what's been going on, we wanted to keep our mouths shut.
I hope you understand.
Here is Linda Howe's report on the most recent testing of Arts parts.
Listen carefully.
All right, on to the bismuth magnesium anomalous stuff.
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Yep.
Yesterday I drove to Washington, D.C. to the Hallowed Carnegie Institute, where Dr. Eric Howry, an ion microprobe specialist, agreed to analyze the magnesium isotopes as an independent contractor.
We worked for several hours and he prepared a written report which he signed, but he would not agree to be interviewed for Dreamland.
So I am going to summarize his findings.
All right.
The magnesium in the layered material is not radically different from a natural pure magnesium metal that he used as a baseline comparison.
There are three magnesium isotopes we looked at.
Magnesium-24, which usually makes up about 80% of normal magnesium metal, and magnesium-25 and 26, which often are about 10% each.
Our sample had a little more magnesium-25 and 26, but not outside the range of the baseline magnesium metal in terms of what would be normal variations.
But there was a striking anomaly.
And that was in the testing, there was the amount of ions that were emitted by our layered sample.
Dr. Eric Howry stated in his report that the bismuth magnesium gave count rates of magnesium ions which were 65 times more than the magnesium metal standard.
And as I sat there and watched, you could see a scope.
You could actually see the ions as the, he was using oxygen atoms that would go down and bombard the surface of our material, and then that would scatter up the ions which this machine would measure.
And you could actually see ions from his baseline metal and what it looked like as it changed to 24, 25, and 26.
And then our sample, and it was a dramatic change.
Yeah, 65 times more than was coming off of his baseline metal sample.
And he gave three possible reasons why there might be so much more ion activity.
First, we know there is about 2.5% to 3% zinc mixed in with the magnesium layers, and zinc might act as a catalyst for the magnesium ionization in our sample, whereas there was no zinc in the baseline magnesium metal.
Now second, there might be yet some hidden oxygen in the magnesium layer, which could have been further excited by the oxygen electron beam used in the ion microprobe to bombard the magnesium surface in the analysis.
However, none of the spectra that we have done has shown any oxygen at all.
Third, Dr. Howry said there might possibly be a distinctive arrangement of magnesium crystal structure related to how the material was constructed.
This is a question we are going to try to study in future tests by the university scientists.
Now, Dr. Howry was also able to search for one of the very small 1 to 4 micron bismuth layers in our sample, which up to now the EDS and WDS studies had only shown bismuth and no other elements.
But the highly sensitive ion microprobe showed a trace of a lead isotope, which Dr. Howry said might be a naturally occurring trace element, since lead and bismuth are very similar in characteristics and terrestrial locations.
Or the lead might be a calculated alloy with the bismuth for yet unknown purposes.
Because I'm going to make you not stick your neck out, but be surprised, at least on the air.
Richard Hoagland, who's going to be my guest, the audience might want to know this coming Friday night, Saturday morning, and keeps up on things like this.
I happened to talk to Richard Hoagland prior to airtime, and I read him this anomaly section.
Yes, and Richard Hoagland said, Art, quickly go investigate the crystalline structure.
He said, what you have is a diamagnetic material, and you might just find that if you put about a million volts to it, it's going to rise up off the kitchen table.
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Which you and I have heard before from other sources.
And it's very clear that we need people to try this, and I'm hoping in the next few weeks that we might actually get some feedback from a variety of people around the country who said they're going to try that.
This would be Tesla technology that would produce this kind of voltage.
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Yeah, getting up to a million volts.
Right.
And well, so this is something coming in the future, but right now we have no data that would prove beyond doubt that the layered bismuth and magnesium zinc material is from an off-planet intelligence or manufactured by non-human beings as described by our anonymous South Carolina source.
And we also have no proof that anybody on Earth has ever made it.
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Okay, this has been one of my challenges as a journalist to research the civilian industrial community as well as others to see if I could find anyone anywhere who has actually layered bismuth and magnesium zinc alloy in these alternating layers and tell me what such a material might do from actual hands-on experience.
Well, one senior technician in an industrial research and development facility in northwest Ohio named Nick Brider has had approximately 13 years in industrial technology and about 11 years in vacuum technology of thin films as well as high temperature chemistry.
He's also been trying to find other research colleagues who might have some information about these layered elements.
And this is what he told me.
It is brief, but he gave me his permission to use this.
This was just a couple of days ago.
Well let's start and say that this was something that was accidentally grown.
You know that it was something that was made here in a factory.
Now There are very large coders, sputter NE beam coders that put thin films or layers on different parts, substrate, pieces of glass.
But the enigma for me right now is if it is, you know, an industrial artifact, let's call it that.
But if it is that, I still don't know where in the dickens it would have come from because I've probed a few mechanical engineers, and I know from my own background that I've never heard of anyone using magnesium with bismuth.
That sounds like my montage over a month and a half ago, doesn't it?
And the mystery continues, and we're going to continue to do some more testing.
And it may be, in the end, that we will learn a little bit more about this whole issue of diamagnetic, magnetic-resisting material and applications that no one in the civilian world is aware of.
That updates you on the latest testing of arts parts that occurred at Carnegie.
And I thought you would want to hear that.
So we are plowing ahead very seriously and expensively, I would add, with this whole project.
But there is very little choice.
Either you follow a path or you don't.
And we are following it.
The big news, Flight 800, CNN reported at 9 o'clock preliminary testing indicated there was an explosive device on board the jet.
This, they said, by chemical traces found on a wing piece near the baggage compartment.
In the last hour or two, there have been federal denials of this, so we can't seem to get it together, which is one thing I truly don't understand.
I mean, I understand there's a lot of mystery about this.
A lot of the aircraft still down below.
The pinging from the black boxes has ceased, despite the fact that there are reports the batteries were brand new.
Strange.
But you would think, at least with regard to the testing we're doing, we could get some straight reports.
Do you think it was domestic or foreign terror?
If it was terror, would you say domestic or foreign?
There was a day in America where it would be true heresy to ask such a question, but you know me.
I'll ask.
And then in response to my biggest problem with all of this, and that is why you would kill a lot of innocent people and then not claim credit, or do so beforehand so that it was truly known, I got this response, which I think is a good one.
Sad, but good.
Art, you overlook the best reason for terrorism.
Terrorism to create it.
Terrorism to create terror.
Whenever a terrorist group claims responsibility for an act, 99% of the people in the country breathe a big, heavy sigh of relief once they realize they don't fit the description of the target victims.
But now with the seemingly senseless bombing of this TWA flight, who can say they feel excluded as they board their next plane?
Just as in a biological epidemic, we are all now at risk.
We are all potential victims, terrorism in its purest form.
And that is a sad, sad thing to contemplate, isn't it?
As you know, in about two weeks, ten days, I board an aircraft similar to the one that was shot down.
TWA Flight 866, leaving 8 o'clock out of New York's Kennedy Airport, bound for Copenhagen, Denmark.
And so it's on my mind.
And then I heard in the news last hour that an airplane going into St. Louis, which is going to be my first stop again, TWA, lost an engine on a landing.
It's not a big deal.
I have been on aircraft that have lost engines before.
As a matter of fact, I may not have told you this, but I flew to Paris on the Concorde.
And as we came into Kennedy, our Concorde lost an engine.
And as we landed and they put it in the thrust reverse, the engine went boom.
A moment of excitement.
Dear Art, today ABC announced the FBI has over 100 eyewitnesses who talk of a flare-like device streaking toward TW8 100 seconds before it burst into a ball of fire.
How would a bomb inside the plane do that?
Well, I agree, and I don't discount at all the possibility of a missile.
Now, they have found evidence, chemical evidence, or not, depending on what you believe, that there was some sort of explosive external device.
I'm not sure that means it was inside the aircraft.
It just means, I guess, that it was terrorism.
Art, one possible reason for the 747 bombing that I haven't heard anybody mention is for the insurance money.
Many beneficiaries will be paid some very large sums of money.
Scott in Memphis.
True.
And I'm sure they will look into that.
Art, about Flight 800, I have an idea of what could have occurred.
I sincerely believe there's a good chance it was a stinger.
However, it was not a terrorist attack.
I suspect a militia group, street gang, youth gang, village idiot, a drunk, maybe even somebody who would have thought that there wasn't a chance the missile would strike at that range.
Could have even been a member of the Army Reserves.
Yeah, I suppose all of that is possible.
And then I've got one sort of generalized question I'm asking you this morning.
It is one they asked of Sam Nunn on Meet the Press, and it is simply, what is it that you now know about life that you wish you had known 20 years ago?
Has it occurred to anybody strange, more than passing strange, that the pinging sound from the black boxes is no longer pinging?
Now, has it occurred to anybody out there that one possible cause for that might be the black boxes aren't down there anymore?
They wouldn't pick them up, not tell us about it, would they?
They wouldn't do that, would they?
They'd give us the straight poop, wouldn't they?
Sure they would.
CNN reported that it was an explosive device, preliminary.
Feds are denying it.
What's going on here?
Hey, here's something really weird.
Really weird.
This is the home of weird.
I just got just this moment.
The following near-time earthquake bulletin is provided by the National Earthquake Information Service of the U.S. Geological Survey, and it lists the series of volcanic-related quakes in Hawaii, and then it lists at 119.59, which means it just occurred today an earthquake in New York.
Yeah, I tried to get in, but it was such an interesting show that everybody was trying to get on.
Also, yesterday, Sunday, was the birth anniversary of Nikola Tesla, and you just mentioned that perhaps Art's parts might have something to do with the Tesla technology and so forth.
Well, in the sense that it might take Tesla technology to produce the kind of voltage that is going to be required to produce what we think might happen if that kind of voltage is applied.
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Oh, yeah.
Well, that's interesting.
I was invited to a Tesla birthday celebration, and it's not well known that Tesla was Serbian.
And of course, these days, Serbian is kind of a bad, bad word.
And what I want to find out from another source, because I was given the objectivity of where I was at the time, I was watching a documentary on the situation in Bosnia that we haven't heard too much about lately.
That actually some of the atrocities attributed to the Serbs were committed by Muslims, and it was reported wrong that the Serbs had done it and so forth.
And I wonder if anybody else could verify that.
And by the way, you know, your competition rush, Limbaugh, his competition.
The reason for that, those of you who don't know, is that we all know NSA has computers.
And these computers monitor constantly telephone conversations.
Now, you knew that, didn't you?
And what they do is they look randomly, you know, they just look randomly for keywords.
I'm sure they look for words like terrorist, bomb, kilo, as it relates to drugs.
And so it has been suggested that to protect one's privacy, everybody, during the course of a normal conversation, simply occasionally utter the word kilo.
People get nervous, you know, and they get on the air and they press the wrong button.
I can only imagine the fist pounding that must go on after that.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
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Hi.
You were talking about, you know, the airplane crash and all that, and mentioning that not so long ago it would have been unthinkable to even speculate about domestic terrorism.
Right.
That's right, yes.
I have, I guess, three theories.
I don't know about what it might have been.
Probably none of them is right.
Who knows?
One of them, I guess, probably the one I tend to believe the most, and I don't know.
I sure hope I'm wrong.
It would be that it's probably one of the competing airlines here in America.
Both of these airlines, the one down in Florida and then this one in New York, both of them were really getting into a spot where they were making extra money and cutting into the competition.
So it just makes it kind of seem like there's something in common.
And both of them had the flight recorders go silent.
So anyway, the other theory is that it might be something to do with the Olympic Games because the Greeks were unhappy with us about the Olympics being here in America on the Millennium Games or something.
Yeah, the last involved a guy who put a jetpack on the back of his Impala, I believe it was, and impacted the side of a mountain doing several hundred miles an hour.
It's called the Darwin Award.
And I think that you should be nominated for four teeth, huh?
You would think that had we fired a missile, A, the missile would no longer be there, and somebody would say, gee, look, a missing missile.
Now, we ought to investigate that.
On the other hand, maybe not.
I wouldn't think that the Navy or the military on Long Island would be firing missiles at all.
But I could be wrong about that, too.
What do I know?
Others have speculated about a submarine.
Could have been a submarine.
Could have been a terrorist in a rowboat.
Could have been a bomb on board.
At this point, we don't know.
What I am objecting to is the apparent confusion of information regarding the investigation itself.
Now, that ticks me off.
We ought to know the truth, and why don't we?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Hi, Art.
How are you doing today?
I'm calling from Reno.
Yes, sir.
I just thought in your point on the UFO on the Nevada quarter, I thought maybe instead of silver and copper, they ought to be made out of magnesium and bismuth as well.
The only problem is, I guess, though, is if you can get those things to levitate when you put them in a soda machine, you might be able to pop the money back out.
CNN reported that there was an explosive device on board Flight 800.
They said they had evidence that consisted of a report, a chemical report of the trace elements found on a piece of wing near the baggage compartment.
Or would it be fuselage?
I think they said wing.
Then the government said, no, that's not true.
The black boxes, which had brand new batteries, were not pinging anymore.
As of today, they had been pinging, but now they're not.
Now, why would that be?
Has it occurred to anybody that they might not be pinging because they might not be there anymore?
Thought I'd feed the conspiracy crowd a little bit.
And if that's not enough for you, consider the possibility of a missile because there's about 100 eyewitnesses that saw something headed up toward that airplane before the explosion.
And then the big question.
Isn't there a CNN show that has the big question, assuming that it was terrorism, would you be more inclined to think it was domestic or foreign?
And then consider the fact that there was a day in America where to ask such a question would have been considered heresy.
Too bad it isn't today.
Domestic or foreign?
What do you think?
And somebody said, well, no, it was me.
I said, well, what's the good of a terrorist act if you're not trying to manipulate the foreign policy of a nation or whatever it is, stupid thing you're trying to do?
And somebody answered all too well for me, and the answer was, you just scare the hell out of everybody who gets on an airplane.
Well, I remember I would put when people would come in or somebody and I would go to greet somebody or if I'd get up tight, I remember I used to put my legs very tight together and come stand erect and I would keep my hands and my arms straight down to my body, but I would spread my hands out and sort of bow.
And I remember my daughter saying, why are you doing that?
Next time they have a bunch of people like the Montana militia people like that, why don't they just round up all the chupacaprerists and take them up there?
I have a couple of comments and a question for you.
Okay.
First of all, a question.
Last week you had a guest on, and I didn't catch enough of the show to catch the gentleman's name, but he talked about Mars aliens inhabiting New Mexico nurseries.
Now, see, remember a couple weeks ago I called you, and, you know, you made me feel so much better because I asked you if I could unintentionally cause some people psychic harm, and you said, look, now.
If they had a picture of the explosion of that airliner, I guarantee by now you would have seen it until you thought your head would explode.
No, I don't believe so.
The photograph they did have might, because it was dark in the background, you might have thought that you were seeing something in the air, but indeed it was burning debris on the ground.
Now, if I'm wrong about that, fine.
Somebody come on along and tell me so, but I believe that's correct.
And what I mean by that is four years ago, this coming November, I was dying of cancer.
And some friends of mine, we had been seekers of truth, as you are, for a long time.
Started off in Christianity.
And we were talking about spiritual things.
I walked into the bathroom, began to wash my hands, a strange place, but the whole bathroom lit up to the point that I disappeared in the mirror looking at my reflection.
And so I'm looking forward to your weather for a couple of weeks.
It's going to really be nice, and it sounds like you're in a beautiful location.
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Oh, it's wonderful.
Oh, the reason I called, though, I was curious because listening to your show back home, when we came over here, one of the things I wanted to do is check out the difference of the $100 bill like you've been talking about.
You know, I've heard a lot of people say, oh, that's different over in Europe.
Yes.
So I took you up on the challenge.
I went down to the bank, and I asked the lady for one of their new $100 bills so I could compare them.
And really, I couldn't tell any difference.
I don't know if maybe an expert eye could take out some of the differences, but it looked to me just to be the same.
I don't know why they decided to change it so dramatically, but yeah, looking at the two different bills side to side, they didn't look like they were much different.
Well, maybe it is a difference that we are unable to detect.
It's hard to say.
I know they had intention to do that for counterfeiting.
Now, since you have been gone, you would not know, but there are now plans to have 50 separate quarters, one of the 25 cent piece, one for each state of the union.
Late last night, I heard a news release, and I don't know if it was an FAA official or FBI.
They said they didn't want the information of this being a terrorist attack, because if it was, that would give the perpetrators time to destroy evidence and things like that.
Okay, and I just wanted to let you know that if I had, I'm only 17, but if I had, say, 10 years to go back in time, like I'm sorry, it's got to be 20 years.
I mean, we had a lot of tourists come over here, and I was talking to one the other day, and he said that Stephen King's bestseller, number five, is out already.
Well, I think that's what I suggested when I said it's not pinging anymore.
It had new batteries.
Now, why isn't it pinging?
One answer might be because it's not there.
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Right.
Well, I just happened to hear something on the news Friday.
I don't know if anybody else heard it or mentioned it to you, but about 11 a.m. Pacific time on the news on the radio, I heard on, I believe, CBS that they had found one of the black boxes.
They even said they weren't sure which black box it was, but they had found it.
Well, there's been a lot of that kind of reporting, you know, Flash reporting one.
I think these reporters are talking to each other if you want to know the truth.
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No, I can understand that, but I would have expected to hear somebody mention somewhere along the way that someone had made a mistake in reporting that.
I never heard that.
It's as if it had never been reported, and I know I heard it.
I was very surprised when I heard on Larry King later that day that they were still looking for the black boxes.
And it just surprised me that nobody had mentioned that it had been missing.
Listen, we had a report that about two or three weeks ago it was cloudy and raining, but I guess the weather has cleared across Scandinavia and is beautiful now?
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Yes, both in Stockholm and in Oslo.
Over a week ago, they had an unseasonal cold spell, and it was awful.
They were not prepared for it.
Right.
But now it's just been absolutely desirable for the last two weeks, and I think, or last week or ten days, and I think you're going to enjoy it.
Well, I called this to wish you a good trip and a bon voyage.
Here's somebody who writes, Dear Art, could you please tell us why you like the song, Flowers on the Wall?
I don't know.
He goes on, somehow I can visualize you laying awake in a motel along I-40 in Amarillo, counting flowers on the wall and agonizing about the lost love of a beautiful Texas girl.
If it makes you feel any better, I've been there and done that.
Motel 6, Amarillo.
Her name was Cheryl.
I figured there were about 40 flowers per square foot on the wall.
That's Greg in Oklahoma City.
Greg, I don't.
I don't.
Yes, I do have an answer for you, Greg.
I like it.
No, I don't have an answer.
I really don't.
It just sort of expresses my feeling of life somehow.
Courtney Brown was absolutely riveting, no question about it.
And I took great care in the original broadcast to build the basis for what was coming.
And as you probably heard, I kept steering Courtney away from releasing the information that I knew was coming too soon because it would not have been in the proper context or received well without an understanding of how he did what he did.
And if you misuse something, if you go out there and abuse something, everything has its equal and opposite reaction.
That's true.
And the illusion is time.
The illusion is we don't see the equal opposite.
People think that somebody who gets away with, literally gets away with murder got away with it.
Well, they don't.
It's because the illusion of time is we don't see the reaction immediately, and therefore we assume that you can do things and not have to pay for them.
But somewhere down the road, all of a sudden something happens to somebody out of the blue, so to speak, and there it is.
And then everything went silent, and you can't find anything since.
So something obviously was discovered and went down and dirty and dark some years ago.
So we don't know what we've got on our hands.
We will continue to test.
Did you hear the report we did tonight?
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Yes, it was very interesting.
It's very interesting.
A colleague and me were discussing this, and I've been focusing on seeing things seem to be a pivot.
I was looking at sputtering and PM, powder metallurgical, where they powderize the metal, and then they charge it, spray it through an atomizer, hit it with a plasma, and basically paint metal.
I called you about six weeks ago and I was trying to tell you about this thing they had on Discovery Channel where they were showing their promos and they showed the landing of the moon and I could see the two domes.
The very next day, they pulled that commercial off.
Dear Art, I just heard you say that you believe Charles Manson to be an evil person based on television appearances you have seen.
Try to consider that all televised interviews with Manson are carefully edited to make him appear to be crazy, evil, and so forth.
I've spoken to Manson one-on-one for hours and hours and found him to be friendly, interesting, and respectful.
Vincent T. Bugliosi has a vested interest in supporting the idea that Manson is a man to be feared.
He has a book to sell, Helter, Skelter.
Truth is, Manson is a human being, like any other.
And the false idea of him as a crazy, evil monster is nothing more than a myth.
This myth was largely created by Vincent Bugliosi and is perpetrated by the media, yourself included.
You and Bugliosi have too much to lose by allowing the actual truth regarding Manson to be known.
If the truth about him and his actual lack of participation in the infamous Tate Lapianca murders became public knowledge, Bugliosi and the countless media vampires would lose the best thing they've ever had.
That'd be a symbol of evil.
And you would be left unable to spend an evening of glad handing with Vincent Bugliosi.
I expected more out of you than to dismiss Manson as an evil person based on what you've seen on TV.
You should know that most of what's put on TV is a lie, pure and simple.
The fact that this leads you reveals your own gullibility from James in Seattle.
Get right, James.
There are some things that even the editing floor of 60 Minutes cannot disguise, and that is the evil nature of Charles Manson.
So I think if you think he's a warm and fuzzy human being, James, you are the one who has lost it.
You are the one who is gullible.
And I wouldn't know about your hours and hours of chatting with Charlie, but if you think this guy is a warm, fuzzy human being, then I don't know about you, James.
And what he was able to project through that camera came through quite clearly.
It's nothing that was achieved on the editing room floor of 60 Minutes.
Don't you believe it?
I swear, some people, unbelievable, just unbelievable.
When you get Major Dames on again, or that other gentleman that does the remote viewing, ask them how you get out of the real-time timeline and get so you can look back or forward.
I've heard that if you put little, you know, on the magnets that actually levitate, if you put a little tiny anything on the edges of it, evenly, kind of like a balanced tire, and you have a fan or a very slight breeze running, you can keep it levitating for days.
That the natural target would have been an LL, not a TWA.
Okay, but here's what I don't tell my father, because I don't want it.
My father's having so much fun, and he wrote the New York Times his theory, is that when I was watching the day after it happened in the morning, Anna Garcia, she's the newslady from ABC.
Right.
She had a lot of clips.
She was over there and she had clips with witnesses, one after the other.
And the fourth witness she had was a fat guy of about 60.
And he said, everyone else had said they saw the flash and then the fireball or that they'd heard the noise and turned around and seen the fireball.
He said he was watching it fly.
This is ABC, middle of the day.
This is a witness.
And that it was flying along and then it fell at a 45-degree angle.
Then there was the white flash and then the orange fireball.
And I was, oh, my goodness.
Well, that kind of proves it was a TWA situation.
See, I'm way different from what my father says.
And then they never had that on ABC again.
That witness never came back.
I watched all day, 6 p.m., 11 p.m., and I watched Nightline.
I'd just like to say hello to all my friends out there.
I've got a question.
I had a few questions here, but I'm going to narrow it down to one because of time.
I've been asked this question probably about three or four times in the past week, but you have a picture, or you have pictures from the book of Charlie and Doc, right?
Okay, back where I'm from in Dickinson County, Virginia, there are a lot of rural roads, lots of curves and stuff.
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My wife's nephew, five years old at the time, lived with his family right in a big old curve back at the foot of the hillside, and a lot of coal was hauled out of there in 10-wheel and 18-wheel trucks.
Okay, the child had been waking up in the middle of the night, coming to his parents and telling them there was a little girl in his bedroom.
And they kept saying, oh, don't worry about it.
You know, there's nobody in there.
You're just having a dream or whatnot.
And countless times he kept doing this.
They never heeded to it, never checked, just, you know, tell him he was having a nightmare and going back to bed.
Yes, sir.
Okay, one morning, about 6 a.m., they hauled coal quite early that morning.
He came into his mother's bedroom and said, the little girl told me I better come sleep with you.
And she said, now, Cody, go on back to bed, go on back to bed.
Everything's going to be all right.
He wouldn't go back to bed.
He refused to, so she let him sleep with her.
And swear to God, 10 minutes later, a coal truck skipped off the curve, crashed right through his bedroom, and did about $10,000 worth of damage to their house.
It's very intriguing, and it's like one of those things I would like to try, but I'd need to think about whether I really want to know the things I would see.