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July 12, 1996 - Art Bell
02:39:28
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert Morningsky - Hopi Prophecies
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Now, um, I received a worldwide distribution announcement, I guess, about Robert Morning Sky.
There was a hit-and-run accident.
Put the word accident, I guess, in quotes.
And for a time, Mr. Morning Sky went into hiding.
For all I know, he's still in hiding now.
He sent first a fax regarding that, then this announcement.
Ladies and gentlemen, for just over one year, I've had the honor and the privilege to be able to share the story of my grandfather's rescue of a star being.
I've also had the extraordinary good fortune to be able to share some of my own research with you.
Research that reveals a dark past, a hidden history of planet Earth.
An unspoken and deliberately suppressed truth.
Through the power structure of the UFO community, though it's resisted us, I am extremely proud of the response that you, the average citizen, have shown me.
I've always believed the average man and woman knows they have been lied to throughout their lives.
I believe that every one of us is also aware that there's more to life than work, taxes, patriotism, and guilt.
I thank you for embracing my suggestion that man has been deceived.
It is, therefore, with some degree of sadness that I advise you that I will no longer Make any public appearances, nor will I offer any further workshops on the Terra Papers.
This was not an easy decision.
Several things necessitated.
The, quote, accident, end quote, which I just suffered.
The time that I have spent away from my family.
The fulfillment of ancient prophecies.
The appearance of the Hale-Bopp comet.
The newest scorpion crop circle formations.
The uncovering of evidence of a A secret family manipulating the world?
The evidence of a soon-to-be second coming?
All this and more have brought me to this place.
Ladies and gentlemen, the time is short.
The prophecies suggest that.
I believe it is important for me to complete the books which I have begun.
I honestly believe you would prefer to know more about the hidden history and the hidden present Rather than just review the hidden history.
I firmly believe if you have found my work up to this time to be worthy, then you will be astounded at what is to come.
I hope you will understand and continue to support my work.
Thank you, Robert Morning Sky.
And that was the, I believe, essence of the most recent announcement.
Would that be true?
Welcome to the program, Robert.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Art.
Is that roughly accurate?
Yes.
Yes, it is.
It's right on the button.
I'm not going to be out in the public eye anymore.
It's a situation that I just simply can't handle.
My family and I are just too concerned about what's going on.
So it was, as you said, a very difficult position for us.
That's where we stand.
We're just not going to go back out into the public eye anymore.
Okay.
Robert, are you in hiding now?
I wouldn't call it in hiding.
I suppose some people who, you know, have known me in the last year and a half and have known the thousands of miles that we've traveled may depict it as such.
No, I don't want to portray it in that fashion.
I just want to be tucked away and to be able to finish the work that we began, to finish out some of the things that we promised we would do, and try to remain out of harm's way.
And I know that may sound paranoid, but... Well, no, it actually does not.
It does not, Robert, because something has happened to you now.
I know you don't want to discuss it a lot, but I've got to ask some questions.
You were involved in a hit-and-run accident.
Tell me about the accident itself, rather than right now discussing the intent or motivation or whatever it was.
Tell me about the accident itself.
Well, I was in early June.
I was preparing for the Gathering of Elders at the Star Knowledge Conference in South Dakota.
I reside out in the hot Arizona desert.
I normally go running quite late in the evening because it's cooler.
I actually seldom exceed two blocks from where I actually reside.
I was out running in the evening, and I've done this several times, and I've always been careful, and this one time, I just... He came out of nowhere, and we argued, and he won.
Were you running when you were hit?
Yes, I was.
He came up from behind me.
Did he have his lights on?
No.
No lights?
Um, obviously had he struck you head-on, okay, I don't know, I'll ask, but I would assume that had he struck you head-on and actually run over you in the classic way we imagine it, you wouldn't be here talking with me at all.
So was it a glancing blow or how were you hit?
Well, I was running actually on the side of the road and, um, I don't want to sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but I am a dancer and I have performed in many powwows.
I'm very much aware of that, yes.
I like to think that I'm healthy and stay in shape and actually what happened was when I heard, perhaps even felt the car behind me, and I don't know, I don't know why I didn't hear it.
I don't think I was caught up in any thoughts, but I turned enough to see it coming and I literally just leaped as hard as I could to the side of the road and I was very fortunate in that.
I can't actually recall the collision.
I actually, when I hit a grass that was kind of near a ditch and I rolled down into the ditch and I stayed there for just a few moments just to see if I could hear or see anything.
I didn't and as I said I was only just a couple of blocks from home and I managed to make my way back home.
So I take it this car didn't slow, didn't stop?
Oh no.
Didn't say?
No.
There was no horn, there was no, there were no lights, there was Again, I don't know how it got behind me.
It just was there and the next thing you know I was with a combination of my just I guess out of sheer panic or reaction I jumped to the side.
Yeah sure, what time of night was this?
Would have been about somewhere between 11 and 11.30 in the evening.
So somebody tried to murder you?
I mean at 11.30 at night, Robert, a dead Dead dark.
No headlights.
Not stopping after the accident.
Somebody tried to murder you.
I don't see how else anybody could add that one up.
I'd like to say that it was, I think, Because we haven't had a chance to talk about it.
I think it had to do with the newest research.
I think it had to do with some papers that we sent to Europe.
I think, I don't know, I want to just maybe describe it as a warning as opposed to deliberate attempt. I'm very familiar, if I'm sure many of
your listeners are, when there is a professional who is out
there who is trying to do something they seldom miss. I mean, they just
don't do it.
That's true, but that jump may have saved your life and you really can't
afford to take a chance that your assessment is right.
That if they'd really wanted to kill you, they would have killed you.
Obviously, you can't afford to take that chance.
So what, let's take this in steps.
What injuries did you suffer?
I suffered a cracked thumb, two cracked ribs, and a torn ligament in my right leg.
It was my right leg that took, I believe that took the brunt of the collision.
Okay.
And I tore a ligament.
And you tore a ligament.
So you've been for some time.
How long ago was this, Robert?
You know, the most interesting thing, it happened on June the 6th.
June 6th.
And the reason it was interesting to me is because I have a young man in Los Angeles who called me that very same evening and we were talking about, do you realize what a momentous day it is?
And I said, well, you know, I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but he was looking at the calendar and he came up with 666.
Right.
And I thought, well, that's interesting.
It's going to be, let's see what happens today.
And wouldn't you know, I mean, what an interesting I got a lot of calls about 666 on that day.
So you're right.
For you, anyway, it certainly was a very momentous day.
So after this occurred, or immediately afterward, you couldn't have known.
I mean, you must have assumed at least the possibility that somebody was trying to kill you.
What did you do?
Did you gather your family and get the hell out of Dodge?
Did you go to the hospital?
Did you lay low for a while?
What's the deal?
I did exactly, you know, as you started out, I got my fam and I said, OK, well, you know, we just can't take a chance here.
So where I used to live, where I used to reside, I'm no longer there.
And we called a private physician, someone that I've known for years, and I said, look, I'm pretty sure I can get through the night.
We moved the family essentially to safety, and I went to go see him in the morning.
He encouraged me, of course, to file a police report, but it's like, you know, what's the point?
What am I going to do here?
I was much more concerned with Staying out of the pictures, keeping my family together, and if in fact, you know, it happened as I think it happened, that it was a deliberate warning, I'd like to look at it that way as opposed to a deliberate attempt to take me out.
Let's just look at it as a warning, and we need to think about what we're going to do next.
What would you interpret the warning to be?
Okay, this is a warning.
This is serious.
You continue down the path you're going, and next time, We won't miss.
Right.
So even at this moment, while you say you're not exactly in hiding, you're not exactly announcing where you are.
Oh, that's correct.
We have an office member that people can reach us and pass on information, but I'm keeping my whereabouts just essentially quiet.
I just would like the time to To consider what I want to do in the future.
As a matter of fact, I got to tell you that I only started answering phone calls today and you were the first one we took.
So, I got to say, your timing is quite miraculous.
They say timing is everything.
I guess so.
All right.
Now, you're going to stay relatively secluded.
You're going to begin to do some very serious writing.
Tell us, if you would, What was the information that you were in possession of that you think led to this warning?
Okay, not too long ago, at the end of May, I received a package in the mail from Um, an individual in Europe who, um, publishes a magazine and said, uh, listen, um, Robert, would you please take a look at this material?
Um, uh, my, my passion in, in the research that we've been doing has always been linguistics.
And he said, would you please take a look at the linguistics?
Uh, look at this new information, this new data.
And, uh, I, I will go so far as to say that it was from France, the information was, and it was in regards to the Templar Knights.
And I have always been intrigued with the Templar Knights.
I don't know what they are.
What are the Templar Knights?
The Templar Knights were a group that were essentially formed in roughly 1200 A.D.
And, uh, created to, uh, protect pilgrims in the Holy Land.
These were, uh, heroic knights, warrior monk knights is how they identified themselves.
Uh, they were, uh, put together in order to protect the pilgrims from bandits and, uh, robbers, etc., when they were, uh, on their pilgrimage to Jerusalem, to the Holy Land.
They were very, very well received because, in fact, they did just that.
They protected the pilgrims.
They were an order that dedicated themselves to the Holy Mother Mary.
And in less than 10 years, the entirety of Europe welcomed them with open arms, gave them land, castles, monies, and gifts, and they became a very, very powerful force.
After a short time, they left the Holy Land and began to establish themselves in France, where they suddenly seemed to have turned on the very oath that they had taken, for example, in pledging
themselves to the Holy Mother Mary, suddenly they're accused of doing things like spitting on
the cross and trampling on it, denying the validity of the authority of the Church.
Essentially, it seemed as if they were contradicting the very, very basic premise that they had.
They were seen as rebellious to the church and religion and blasphemous, no doubt.
Blasphemous and sacrilegious.
Was there a basis to these allegations?
Well, in fact, there appears to be.
The Pope himself, along with King Philip the Pharaoh of France, trumped up some charges and one of the things that came out of the trial was that these Templar Knights, a holy order dedicated again to the Virgin Mary, I cannot stress how important that was, they actually were accused of and admitted to having in their possession this very mysterious head.
It was known as Baphomet.
And the Templar Knights are a very interesting paradox in that a very holy, religious, very
strict and disciplined order of monks who suddenly seem to, after 200 years, seem to
have turned on the entire Christian faith, and in particular in the Church, what has
since transpired.
And there are several authors who, and I've got to give a lot of credit to Bajan Lee and
Lincoln gentlemen who wrote Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Messianic Legacy, they've researched
it and they discovered that apparently the Templar Knights were very well aware and seemed
to have some sort of documented evidence.
That showed that, and well, here we go with your readers, or your listeners, I'm sure some will get upset, but there was documentary evidence that Jesus did not in fact die on the cross, but that he survived.
And apparently what the Templar Knights were doing were having the truth that Jesus was still alive, and in fact, let's add some more logs to the fire, Jesus was married and had children The children fled to France with their mother, and that in essence there was an entire line, a lineage descended from Jesus living in France.
The knights discovered this, pledged themselves, they had pledged themselves to the Holy Mother, Mary, and in fact began to defend this lineage from Jesus.
This, in turn, then prompted them to say, okay, wait a minute, if Jesus is alive, and if he lived and he has descendants, who better to sit on the throne and head up the church than a descendant?
This then, of course, gives them reason to turn and deny the church, to deny the cross, because, in fact, Jesus didn't die.
I'm getting the picture.
Right, so the Templar Knights, and again there is documented evidence, there are historical records that not just I but several other people have been able to to dig up that showed that there was a line descended from Jesus alive and well in France and that the Templar Knights were aware of it.
And this is, I mean, anybody who begins to look into this story has to be incredibly intrigued with, you know, the possibilities not just in the past but What happens if, you know, some of these descendants are still alive today?
So this script was sent to you to decipher, to translate, to decipher.
Exactly.
I had already done some research on these individuals and had sent this gentleman some information on them in the past.
And he said, look, I have some new information.
Take a look at it.
And I did.
And by going through a linguistic analysis and tying it in with some of the pieces that we had here, I was extremely excited.
I was beyond myself because one of the things that had always plagued me about these Templar Knights was this very curious, this very mysterious head that they were supposed to possess.
It was a bearded head according to most.
And it always bothered me, you know, it's one of those puzzles that sticks with you and it just won't let go and it won't let go and I had known about this for many years and this new information allowed me to linguistically break down in French, in Latin, and in the Egyptian The identity of this mysterious head.
All right.
Hold it.
Hold it right there, Robert.
We're at the top of the hour.
Relax.
We'll be back to you.
My guest is Robert Morning Sky.
Back now to Robert Morning Sky.
Robert.
All right.
We've been talking about the Templar Knights.
Which I understand has some connection, loose or otherwise, some say to the Freemasons, is that correct?
Yes, sir, that's correct.
All right, and you mentioned the fact that they came to believe that Jesus did not die on the cross, so it's easy to understand why the Christian world would be out headhunting, more or less.
Right.
You mentioned a head.
What do you mean?
By this head you were talking about?
Well, when the Templar Knights were brought before the court in France, and essentially the Pope, one of the accusations was that they had in their possession, if not a real head, at least a symbolic head.
Though at the time they were accused of actually having what I guess would essentially be a mummified, bearded head.
And the Templar Knights, quite to the surprise of many of their admirers, admitted to the fact that they did have this head in their possession.
But then the accusations began to fly that they revered the head, that they prayed to it.
I understand.
What was the head, supposedly?
Of what?
Well, the descriptions in all of the books, if there are any descriptions at all, described it as a man's bearded head.
They did, uh, the Inquisition did, in fact, uh, in an inventory of, uh, the Grand Lodge, they listed a head, and they gave it a very, very cryptic title.
Uh, it was in Latin, it was Caput, C-A-P-U-T, and then the numbers L-B-I-I, which effectively mean, uh, 58 in Roman numerals, and then a very curious little letter, M.
So the designation on the inventory, based on a description by one of the Templar Knights, was Caput 58 and a very curious little lamb.
And it had never been deciphered, though many people have tried and suggested it was essentially the head of Muhammad and on and on.
There were many, many things that, you know, many kinds of strange things attributed to it.
It was a very curious piece of material that assisted when it was sent to me by the gentleman
in Europe.
I looked at that, compared it to some of the ancient Egyptian and Hebrew letters, and found
that, well, in short, the identity was revealed.
It was quite astonishing and I was absolutely excited because this head had plagued me for so long, only to find out what its identity was.
But I have to tell you, years ago, when I was part of the real world, I worked with newspapers and I had been raised as a writer-reporter in the media.
and had to have three sources.
So in fact, I went to some ancient Hebrew sources, Hebrew, Aramaic, and then I went to some French sources,
and in fact was able to verify the linguistic analysis of the head and who it represented.
Unfortunately or fortunately, this suddenly opened up a floodgate, and the identity of head
suddenly not only supported the fact that the family of Jesus or his descendants
were alive in France.
And again, I've got to let you know that I am not the only one who has come to this conclusion.
There are several authors in Europe Who have greater documentation, who have been able to verify that there are, to this day, descendants of Jesus alive in Europe.
However, what happened for me was that the deciphering of the head, of the identity of the head, allowed me to trace it back, not only to the time of Jesus and Mary, but even beyond, into ancient Egypt, into ancient Samaria, All right, well don't hold us in suspense.
You know the identity of the head.
What is it?
Anyway, a lot of your listeners, I'm sure, are going to be sending daggers and poison thoughts my way, however... They do it all the time, so go ahead, just give it to us.
The head itself, I am not convinced that it was the actual head, but at least the symbolic head, was not that of a bearded man.
In fact, the linguistic breakdown of Caput 58 identifies it as the symbolic head of the Holy Mother Mary.
The term in ancient Aramaic and Egyptian, kaput, is essentially the same root as kaput, which means beard, but in fact it means head.
This was the symbolic head of the Holy Mother Mary.
Not the Virgin Mary, but the Holy Mother of the children of Jesus.
In fact, the Templar Knights had pledged their oath and their lives To the wife of Jesus, not to the mother of Jesus.
Do you still have these papers?
Yes, sir, I do.
You do?
Yes.
And through the reading and the interpretation of them, you have come to believe that this is true?
Yes, sir.
I have at least three sources, and again, probably half a dozen authors in Europe.
The documentation is there.
And once the head is looked at as a symbolic head of Mary, Suddenly, not only the name, but several connections with the temples of Isis, the Delphi Oracle, several things occurred that all brought it to life.
Okay, well then, it's not really hard for me to understand why somebody tried to knock you off, or warn you, or whatever.
It's obvious why.
And, you know, if I open the phone lines now, they would Oratorically try and behead you, believe me.
I have no doubt.
All right.
So now you've got these papers, you've come to believe this.
I wonder how and if you are able to integrate what you believe to be true now, this new knowledge you have, with what we have talked about so many times before, Robert, you know, a prophecy.
Correct.
Native American Prophecy.
Do you find ties?
Or is your belief system beginning to shift?
Oh no, not at all.
Quite the contrary.
What has occurred You know, as we have spoken in the past, I have, in the last year and a half, spent a great deal of time taking the prophecies from cultures all over the world, you know, contemporary cultures as well as ancient cultures, my own people, etc.
And the prophecies all suggest that something is occurring.
The Hale-Bopp comet is most certainly one of the most significant factors in the prophecies coming to fruition.
But one of the things that occurred in the research of the Templar Knights and the existence of the lineage of Jesus, who, you know, is obviously called the Christ, what had happened was that we discovered that there was, in fact, a family, not descended from Jesus, but whom Jesus was descended from.
In other words, he was a member of this family.
And this family could be traced back into ancient Egypt and forwards into contemporary times.
And this family married into the more powerful houses in Europe.
They had established essentially Montreal and Canada.
And that not only was this family still alive and well, it was still manipulating events to the point... Well, I tell you, Robert, I think you need to dig a deeper hole.
Well, I'll tell you, what happened, Art, with the greatest of respect for everyone out there, and this is why I'm convinced that it wasn't an accident, we have, and again, I direct people to Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Messianic Legacy, Grail Across the Atlantic, several other authors, Who have come to the same conclusion and who, in the course of their research, have found that they are being manipulated.
I mean, the question that they keep asking themselves is, why am I getting this information?
Why is this family essentially trying to present documented genealogy of the existence of offspring of Jesus?
In essence, what happened to me, and here's where I'm sure we're going to lose the world, lose the planet.
I hope the planet thinks I am so crazy that they'll leave me alone.
But essentially what occurred was that this particular family is manipulating a second coming.
In other words, the return of a descendant of Jesus.
And who better to head up the planet in unification and bringing all the world's religions together and bringing the people together than a descendant of Jesus of whom nobody, nobody can say anything about.
If I were to criticize or you were to criticize this family and this is the family descendant of Jesus, you're going to be very quickly labeled the antichrist, blasphemous, and sacrilegious isn't enough.
But what occurred was I am sitting here spending a year and a half showing that prophecies are coming true, that in fact all of these things that are about to happen, when you look at it in context with the return of a descendant of Jesus, suddenly the world opens up to an entirely new scenario.
The prophecies that I have been supporting and talking about for a year and a half support the return of a descendant of Jesus.
Now, that's I would think that the world would welcome me with open arms and, my goodness, you know, here's the return of Hale-Bopp, the signs are in the skies, the Hopi prophecies, the Aborigine prophecies, Samaria, Egypt, etc.
Suddenly, what I am doing is I am saying, yes, the prophecies are being fulfilled, yes, a descendant of the divinity is about to arrive.
Arrive, alright.
Let's talk for a second about Hale-Bopp and what sort of harbinger That is, Hillbob will be closest to us, most visible.
In fact, maybe even covering, I'm told, a quarter of the sky by, I think, next March or April.
Isn't that about right?
Yes, my understanding is April the 1st of 1997.
It'll be in its I've heard that much.
That's right.
I've heard that much too.
It's going to be a magnificent event.
What do you believe it to be?
What is Hale-Bopp?
I've heard that much. That's right. I've heard that much too. It's going to be a magnificent event.
What do you believe it to be? What is Hale-Bopp? I've heard it called the Blue Kachina, is it?
Yes, I'm the one who originally started calling an old, old Kachina figure the Blue Star.
It's known as Nangafu, and according to Hopi prophecy, and again, I've got to go on record, and please excuse me, but I've got to tell people out there, I am not a Hopi elder, I'm not a spokesperson for anyone other than myself.
Okay, having said that, I've got to stop you right there, because one of the messages that I've received from many people, and I'm going to ask you about it, Robert, And you can just shut your mouth or tell me you can't talk about it, but it's being said everywhere that you are in possession of the final four Hopi prophecies.
I'm sorry, let's not put me under the gun here.
I'm told that now.
I'm going to start by denying emphatically that that is the case.
On the other hand, I am sure that that Anyone who is familiar with any of the ancient cultures and the primitive societies, whatever that is, I'm really proud of the word primitive.
Anybody who holds prophecy is not about to declare to beings outside of their own culture that they're the holders of prophecy.
Alright, so in other words, if you had it, which you officially deny, you're telling us if you had it, yeah, yeah, I heard that.
If you had it, you wouldn't tell us.
That scenario is true.
If I did, I wouldn't.
I would be putting myself on the line and I'd be asking for another argument with another bigger vehicle probably.
Well, I can read between the lines anyway.
I can read between the lines anyway, and so can everybody who's listening.
So let's return for a second to Hale Bopp.
Hale-Bopp is going to be a major event.
It's going to, the entire world is going to look to the sky and see something quite amazing in about a year, less than a year now.
And what do you believe it is?
What is the blue kachina?
What does it mean?
What's, what's, what is it the harbinger of, Robert?
In Hopi prophecy, there are numerous stories and legends about the end of the fourth world.
We are considered to be in the fourth time, the fourth world now.
And that is coming to a close.
And there are prophecies that suggest that at the end of the fourth world, one of the first signs in the skies will be a figure that is known as Nangasa, a kachina, a spirit.
Who will be recognized because he has an extraordinarily long tail of feathers that he wears around his head.
And he has a bright blue face with a black four-armed star immediately on the face.
This is a very mysterious star spirit.
Most elders who know don't even talk about it.
But the first sign that the fourth world is about to end is that this spirit will appear in the sky.
But what makes it distinctive is that it has a tail that, according to prophecy, stretches one half of the sky in length.
at night. Now obviously Hale-Bopp is fulfilling this. There are several other little small
details in the myths and legends that suggest that the blue star, Kachina, Hale-Bopp is returning.
There's another myth, another legend, and I'm really doing it a disservice by calling it a
myth or a legend, but most civilized people are happy for me to label it that, but a legend
suggests that there will be at the end times a return of another spirit known as Bahana, the
There are some Hopi elders who have interpreted it to mean the Great White Brother.
And have attributed the identity of Bahana to be some member of the Anglo race who will assist the Hopis in achieving their rightful place and bring peace and happiness to the Hopi people, etc.
But in fact, the linguistic, the literal linguistic definition of Bahana is great white companion, not brother.
And so, what we have suggested in our book, Prophecy, is that there will be a second comet, which will appear seven years after Hale-Bopp.
And that this one is going to be much larger.
It's going to be white, where the blue star will obviously have some sort of a blue aura to it.
And at that time, when this comet appears, the second one, is when the fourth world as we know will end. Now that does
not mean death, doom, destruction, etc.
It simply means that things are going to change dramatically. I would not be surprised if in
fact it meant the end of several institutions and governments and even countries. However,
this is not a forecast of bloom and doom, it is a forecast of change. Well that again,
I think we've had this discussion before.
It depends on how you look at it.
And I understand that you look at it, and many others do, actually in a very hopeful, positive way with regard to change.
But as I told you then and I tell you now, there are millions of people who will not make it to the other side of this enlightening change.
And so there are many ways for many people to look at what This prophecy seems to suggest it will bring upon the world.
Now, hold on, Robert.
We'll be right back to you.
My guest is a Native American named Robert Morning Sky.
Stay right there.
Back to it we go.
One quick fact, and this is probably right on the mark, aren't very interesting.
And I suggest that Mr. Morning Sky is well-founded in his desire to stay out of the public eye.
The Knights Templar are still alive today, but more importantly is the Priory of Scion.
This secret organization, which I've never heard of, has been around since the 12th century.
The current Grand Master is, and he gives a name I won't hear, these people are extremely powerful, and indeed are hiding something very, very important.
I know a little bit about it, and I hope Robert is very careful.
Dave from Redwood City sounds like good advice.
Robert?
Well, this gentleman has hit it right on the head.
I was not aware of how alive they are today and how powerful they are until, as I said, I received this information and sent it back to France, only to be treated, as I said, to an argument with an automobile.
So, this gentleman is extraordinarily perceptive.
My feelings are mirrored exactly in what he says.
But I also, you know, I have to thank the gentleman, the pastor who wrote that first letter because one of the things that I have always marveled about in our lecture tour is that the practice of Christian temperance is relatively rare and for this gentleman to disagree with me and yet Not attempt to crucify me.
I gotta go out of my way to thank him very, very much because I would like to think he's the rule.
Unfortunately, that is not the case.
But both of these gentlemen who submitted faxes, thank you very much.
I thank you for tolerating me and for also understanding why it's necessary.
Obviously, we have not gotten in depth into the Knights Templar and how amazingly powerful they are, but I'm sure that Dave just last month.
Thank you very much.
He's absolutely correct.
That's precisely how I feel.
All right.
I want to just be general for a second.
Then we're going to open the phone lines and I suspect the crucifixion will begin.
We'll see.
As you know, Robert, I'm just an observer, a talk show host.
I hear many people with many faiths and beliefs.
And all of them seem to suggest the same thing coming.
I call it the quickening, doesn't matter what you call it.
Events are certainly quickening, accelerating, something where, you know, we're headed toward a change.
Whether it's Robert Morning Sky or Scallion or Graham Hancock or, you know, I really could go on with a list that's nearly endless.
Everybody from different directions is saying roughly the same thing.
There's a big change coming, and it's not very far down the road.
You agree with that?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'd even go so far as to take my neck out and put a date on it.
Seven years from April 1st, 97.
Absolutely.
You know, like you need your neck any further out than it is.
You know, somebody who came over this afternoon asked, are you really going to do this?
I said, you know, if there's any forum where I'm going to get a fair chance, it's with Art Bell.
And so if perhaps what I can do is portray myself as so far out that it's not worth listening to me save for
the handful of truly dedicated researchers and people who want to know. Maybe that's what
I need to do is to really sound like I'm so far out that they'll leave me alone. Perhaps I'm
grasping at straws here but the one thing that I want to do in the remaining time
that I have with my research is to simply present the material and let people take a
look at it and let them decide I have no problems with anyone who examines it and rejects
it or sets it aside.
I obviously have a problem when people won't even look at it or label it before they even
examine it.
All I hope to do is to present some material and then let the world run with it from there.
I frankly am extremely proud of the response we've had from the public, as I said in the
letter that you read.
I think the general public is a lot smarter than our world leaders and supposed messiahs would have us believe.
I mean, we are much smarter than that.
All right.
Stay good and close to the phone, Robert.
We're going to take a few calls here and they are unscreened calls.
Let's see what we get.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, sir, you're on the air.
Where are you?
I'm in a place called Puyallup, Washington.
Puyallup, Washington.
Yes, all right.
How are you doing?
Fine.
I just want to say I've tuned in just recently and I've just received a new book from, let's say, the Book of Mormon, and this sounds awful familiar, and I've got to agree with the guy.
I've got to research it more.
All right.
Well, you've got your radio on, don't you?
Yes, I do.
I can step into another room here.
That's quite all right.
We'll just take that as a general agreement, and thank you for the call.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello.
Robert is a friend of a friend of mine.
All right.
Where are you?
I am calling from Santa Cruz.
Santa Cruz.
All right.
And I just wanted to tell you I used to lecture at the United Nations on the Knights Templars.
And when I was there last in 1989, there was another young man lecturing on the Knights Templars along with me.
He went back to Arizona where he is from and was immediately threatened by a government man.
He was told that if he said any more on the Knights Templar, something bad might happen to him.
And so he took the threat quite seriously and gave up the research.
I take it, ma'am, then, that you feel with what Robert Morning Sky has done, the papers he has, the belief system he's embraced, he is in danger.
I believe that there are people around who do not want the truth about the Templars to come out.
From the research that I have done, what I have discovered is most of the information that is put out about the Templars has been put out by the mortal enemies of the Templars throughout the centuries.
And therefore, most of what is written in the books is wrong.
I've also discovered that there are several false orders of Knights Templars.
And the real Templars are so deeply hidden That you know that nobody can find them.
One of the things that I discovered in my work was that the head was not a head of a male but it was a head of a female.
I thought that it was the head of the goddess however I think Robert is right.
I think it is the head of Mary Magdalene and Robert you know my friend Charmaine and so as soon as I get off the air, I'm going to give her a call and ask for your telephone number so I can call you tomorrow, because there's a lot of things that we need to discuss.
About two years ago, because of my sincere research into the Knights Templars, I was allowed to attend one of the meetings, and I would like to tell Robert Come up with things that I discovered there.
I would imagine that would help his research.
Robert?
Oh, listen, I appreciate very much the offer and we'll continue with the research even though, as I said, I'm not going in the public eye, but I have to add that the idea that the head bassinet was of the goddess That is still correct.
In other words, let's go ahead and put another nail in the coffin.
I'm going to suggest that Mary Magdalene, as well as the mother of Jesus, both named Mary, that name is in fact a title of a priestess, of a goddess, the epiphany of a goddess.
I do not disagree at all with what is being said, and I also want to add that, in fact, I absolutely agree that there are false Templar Knights out there, and that there seems to be a concerted effort to portray them in a very, very bad light.
I'm not willing to do that.
In fact, in my papers, I go out of my way to stress that there is a conspiracy to make them look unlike what I believe they really are.
On the other hand, You know, which ones are the good guys, CIA or the KGB?
Which ones are the bad guys?
I mean, there's just not a whole lot of difference.
So, any way you look at it, I suppose, you know, it's just not a topic that you're going to discuss in the public, but it is something that I think needs not only to be written about, but needs to be further researched.
And so, I agree wholeheartedly with all the statements you've made, and I really do look forward to talking to you.
All right, then by all means, ma'am, give him a call.
I certainly will, Robert.
Thank you.
Take care.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
Hi.
Hello?
Oh, Robert Ghostwolf.
Robert Morning Sky, how are you doing?
I'm doing okay.
Go ahead, sir.
This is it.
You're on the air.
I am on the air now?
You are on the air now.
Okay, my question is, I heard Robert Morning Sky talk about That Jesus didn't die on the cross?
That's what he said.
Well then how will my sins be forgiven?
Alright, that's a fair enough straight out question.
Okay, I, with the greatest of respect sir, I am not a holy man, I'm not an elder, I'm not anyone who is in a position to be able to answer a spiritual question for you.
All I can do is, as an average man, say, This is what research shows.
Could the research be wrong?
Yes, but I think if there are a multitude of sources that say the same thing, then it's something we need to consider.
The question of sin and forgiveness has to do with one's own faith and one's belief, and I must say that I prefer to have something that is very, very hardcore, real in front of me.
I do not want to challenge this gentleman's faith or in any way destroy whatever belief system he might have.
All I can say is that this is what the research shows, and again, I am not alone in this.
There are several noted authors who have come to the same conclusion with the same information.
What I want to understand about you, Robert, is I have all my life done a lot of research with respect to religion.
I have been in and out of many of them.
In search of, I still am.
And I understand that you have done research into this.
What I don't understand is how you have come to embrace this as you seem to have, as an article of faith.
In other words, you seem to have moved from the researcher, the guy who takes the papers and begins doing the reading and looking and all of this, you move from that across the line to faith.
How did I do that, sir?
Well, I mean, your very words have told me that you embrace what it is that you are telling us you have researched.
That you believe it, in other words.
And that is, I guess, a faith, isn't it?
Or am I wrong?
I'm not sure that I understand what I'm expressing as my faith.
Well, I think you are.
Let me try again.
In other words, you have described to us Basically, the contents of the papers and the further research you have done regarding the lineage of Christ, of Mary.
And it sounds to me, and you stop me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me as though this is now not just what you are researching, as a scientist would research something, but something that you now believe is true.
You mean the existence of Jesus and Mary, etc.? ?
Their lineage, as you have described it, that Jesus did not die on the cross.
That's correct.
You now believe this as an article of faith.
Is that an unfair statement?
With due respect, yes, I believe it is.
Oh, it is unfair?
I think so, because I suppose the question then is very philosophical if you If you drink some water, you know, did you drink it?
Is it water?
Is it real?
I have faith that it's water and it's going to be healthy for me.
All I'm trying to say is that our research, my research, has shown this evidence.
Now, whether one chooses to accept it or reject it... Well, that's up to the audience, but I'm not asking about the audience.
I'm asking you.
Do I believe Jesus did not die on the cross?
That's right.
Yes, that's correct.
But I don't accept that.
I mean, I don't see that as a faith.
I suppose it may be an exercise in semantics, but I do not believe that he died on the cross.
That's correct.
All right.
I just wanted to be clear.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hi.
Yeah, I can't.
Good morning.
No, please don't.
What is your I did receive your letter.
Thank you.
Alright, go ahead.
Robert Mornishkei, I did receive your letter. Thank you.
You're welcome.
I also would like to know, is there any way of getting, are you planning on putting any of these books on tape?
Um, I would very much like to put all the information that we have.
The original TerraPapers document is over 1,500 pages and obviously to print something like that gets to be quite monumental in cost.
We have literally thousands of pages of research which Assuming we can find the wherewithal to produce the tapes or the printing or even the video, you know, perhaps the video version of it, I would like to, yes, but at the moment, you know, it's about recuperation and basically staying out of the limelight.
Yeah, she was saying way out.
I think that'd be a good idea.
She was talking about on tape.
Um, I think that's probably very plausible to sit and narrate or read from the papers what we have.
It's very plausible.
I think it's very likely, assuming again that once we get past the medical bills and these other things that we can do that, yes.
Yep, alright.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hi, this is Cheryl from Tacoma.
Hello, Cheryl.
Love your show.
I've been listening to you for a couple of years and I went and saw Robert Morningsky on just the first night when he was in Tacoma.
Yes.
With the group and I really enjoyed it.
I got kind of shy and took off real quick afterwards because it was terribly interesting and I did a lot of reading of Zachariah Fitchin's books and really enjoy your show and really enjoy learning.
All right.
Well, we'll just take that as a thank you.
And there you are.
Wildcard Line, you are on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Calling from California?
Yes, sir.
Name is Richard.
Yes.
Mr. Morning Star, is it possible... Morning Sky.
Morning Sky.
Is it possible that...
I believe that's the case, yes.
birth which apparently they believe they are since they're descendants of Jesus
have fabricated this this genealogy? I believe that's the case yes and and
again I want to make sure that that my expression that it is my opinion belief
is an exercise in faith I we have or I have documentation which has led me to
this conclusion I have two other things.
I also believe that there are people on earth that believe that they are the royal defendants of Christ with the union with Mary Magdalene.
However, I don't believe it's accurate.
I believe that it's a scam in order to enslave the world because they believe they are destined to rule through royal bloodlines.
You know, it's funny because the paper which was the result of this new information, it was somewhat over 40 pages that I sent back to the gentleman in Europe in the hopes that they would print it there.
I was very concerned about printing it in the United States.
I had actually entitled the paper, The Second Coming Conspiracy, And in fact, I outlined with documentation essentially what you are saying.
I believe that the genealogy is fake.
I believe it is a conspiracy to plant a supposed descendant on the throne in an effort to either create what might be called the One World Order, Or, I believe it is a power play.
I absolutely agree.
Alright, listen you two, I've got to hold you right there.
Frankly, I can't remember his name, but the fellow the Ayatollah gave the death sentence to, in a lot of ways, is probably safer right now than Robert Morning Sky.
And he is my guest.
It is a very unusual topic.
And we're not done with it.
So everybody, stay right where you are, and we will be right back.
This is CBC.
Well, the faxes I'm receiving range from Blasphemy, of course, to things like Go Robert!
Art, one question.
How does Robert Morning Sky currently earn a living to support himself and his family?
We'll ask that in a second.
Another one, dear Art.
Mr. Morning Sky is right on the money.
Thanks for having him on.
I know very little about the Templar Knights, more tonight than I guess I've ever heard.
I think that if there were a modern Inquisition Robert, Uh, we would now be speaking with you as you were laid out on a table, probably with ropes on your arms and your legs, and we'd be able to hear the guy turning the little thing that would tighten it up, stretching you yet another inch or two every time you opened your mouth.
I don't entirely disagree.
I'm surprised at what has occurred and what has transpired.
So am I. I am so very, very proud of the research that we have produced.
And then to go, and I have to thank you again very much for the opportunity to talk with you, but then to have the faxes and the kind of response that you're getting, which are basically saying they agree.
See, I believe that confirms what I'm trying to say.
I believe that we average everyday grunt human beings.
I'm not trying to be derogatory here, but Those of us who work and are trying to strive for, you know, an honest existence and searching for evolution, we're being lied to.
We're being manipulated and deceived, and the powers that be really don't want the truth to come out.
And so I think your response, or excuse me, the response to the fact that you're getting is the very, very thing that encouraged me in the beginning to do this, and that's I think the average listener knows that what's going on out there, what is portrayed as the
truth, is not.
That it, in fact, is what is blasphemous and sacrilegious.
That is what denies man the ability to truly evolve.
The gentleman, the first fact that you read just before the break,
that suggests that the Antichrist, what better candidate than a man
who stands in front of the public with a documented genealogy that shows you his descendants.
I absolutely agree and I believe that is exactly not only what is happening but what is going to happen and all I can suggest to the listeners is beware of anybody who stands in front of you and says I am the Messiah, the Savior, descended of this or that.
Anyone who portrays himself at this time To be the leader, the savior, the chosen one, the anointed one.
If anyone deserves the title Antichrist, or at least I prefer the title Anti-Mankind, those are the individuals who are out there and unfortunately there are far too many of them out there.
All right, well if I can draw any comfort from any of this, then it wouldn't be me.
They're constantly calling me the Antichrist, so... Oh, I would wear that proudly, sir.
Look, one more question, then back to the phones.
It is about your fellow Native Americans.
I mean, you're definitely outside the teepee on this one.
And I wonder how other Native Americans that you have spoken with react to your information.
I was extremely surprised but again very, very proud to just recently, just two weeks after the accident occurred, I had been invited to attend A gathering of elders based, the premise of the conference was to talk about the star knowledge, about the wisdom of star beings, etc.
Yes.
And again, not being someone who has any official status or position, I don't have any title, to be invited to address the elders of Native America as well as the general public, to be on the podium with people like Wallace Black Elk and several other very noted and respected elders.
Yes.
Quite an interesting paradox or contradiction, because here I'm denied any status or position within my own tribe, and I'm not petitioning or asking for that.
I can live quite well with that fate.
But to be then invited by other elders to stand with them and address this, I was very, very proud.
Obviously, I was not able to attend the conference.
I was very disappointed.
What I would say is that, by and large, those individuals, the elders who are holding the star knowledge, one of the things I have discovered after the fact is that they did not attend the conference, that they themselves have had some difficulties.
In fact, one of the elders who did speak at the conference, I was called just last week and was advised that he is missing.
I'm sorry to hear that, but again, Robert, to concentrate on my question, their reaction to your information?
Off the record, when we are on the, you know, the back country of the reservation, they're behind the scenes at the powwow, they're very supportive.
On the record, in front of the public eye, in front of the media... Wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole.
That's correct.
Uh-huh, that's kind of what I think.
And I understand the position.
And I'm not offended by their position.
All right.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hello.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Good morning.
This is Jay Obernhenderson.
Hi, Jay.
This is more fascinating than usual.
I hadn't thought about the Templars for years.
And here I turn on the ever-fascinating Hartwell, and what is he talking about, the Templars?
You never know what I'm going to be talking about.
I never know.
This is more fascinating than you realize, because everything I read... I'm pushing 70 now and hadn't thought about the Templars for many years, and this morning I think about it.
As I said, I'm repeating myself.
Well, there was general consensus, I was led to believe, that the Order of Templars ended, died in Malta in about 1500.
And here is your guest saying that they are alive and well, and for whatever purpose they are here, they're here.
In the second half of the 20th century.
Yep.
And God bless us.
I was always fascinated, but now I'm going to start again.
Maybe there's some new research being done, some new... You're talking to the man who's doing it?
Yeah.
Other than that, I have no questions, and I will certainly try and... Has he been published?
No, but that's coming.
Well, he has been published with other works, yes, but with regard to this newest information... That's a good question, Robert.
Well we have taken copies of the initial, again it was in a report form that we sent to Europe and we have the original and we have had several people, other researchers in fact, who have called us and If truly one wants to delve into what has got to be... I mean, the word controversial does not... Yeah, maybe you can produce a nice, easier-to-burn version.
Complete with pictures and a bullseye on my forehead, probably.
That's exactly right.
I don't know why I'm laughing.
I suppose, actually, I would like to find out from your listeners, and we just recently sent a mailer out to the individuals who are on our mailing list, and said, okay, would you really like to know this?
And it's, I mean, what we have talked about tonight is not even the tip of the iceberg of the blasphemous sacrilege that we get into into the papers.
I'm sure.
And I will say that, yes, effectively, the knights were supposed to have been disbanded, supposed to have disappeared in the 1400s, But in fact, the evidence shows that the family behind the Templars, those who created and benefited by their existence, that family is alive and well, and again, most obviously connected with the Priory des Sion, the one in France.
And so, though the Templars per se may not exist, in fact, the power behind them, the actual real-life human beings behind them, They are in existence, they are alive and well, and they are extraordinarily powerful.
Okay, in America we have the First Amendment, sort of, Robert, but I'll tell you, I wrote a little book about my life, very, by comparison, believe me, very tame to what you're contemplating, and I had one lady, a Christian lady, send it back to me.
Said, I can't have this kind of thing on my coffee table.
It was fairly tame.
Your book, Your book, when it comes out on this topic, if there is going to be a book banning in America, this is going to be the one.
So, it's not going to be an easy publish.
No, we know that and I cannot begin to tell you, I mean, this last month has been very agonizing for me, not only physically, but again, Do we publish it?
Do we tell the people what the research is?
And I thank you for the question earlier about faith.
For me, it's not an article of faith.
It's a matter of here's the information.
Please let us not crucify the messengers.
Let me allow you simply to present to you the information, and then you deal with it as you wish.
I know the contents that are in here, and my wife agonized about this all month long, and because of the content, because of even the possibility that we would publish it, and the backlash that would come out of it, that's one of the reasons that motivated us to simply say, look, no more in the public eye.
I have been very fortunate to be with you in the past, sir, and we've talked about Hobop and prophecy.
Some of the phone calls that we've gotten there, We're certainly, as you described at one point, I have been scolded both gently and harshly.
That, as you said, does not compare to what our research has found.
I find it a mixed bag here.
It's a blessing and a curse because for me, I have suddenly had several historical problems unlocked.
It directly ties into what is happening today, 1996, 1997, what is occurring, and I cannot tell you how difficult it is to be sitting on this material and not know whether I want to publish this or not.
I understand.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Oh, hello, Robert.
Good morning.
I am so glad that I finally got through the Art Bell Show to you.
Because you just seem to be on my whole mental wavelength of things that I myself have been doing and studying and researching.
I also lived in Arizona, rather, and I'm going back there.
I didn't hear the first part of the show too much throughout the last half hour because I just got off of work.
Do you have a question?
Yes, I do.
I mentor archaeology. I have a two-fold question. The first is, have you ever heard of Josephus,
the historian, the Jewish historian that lived about the time of Christ?
Yes, I know him as Josephus, yes.
He's a contemporary and wrote a quite extensive history of the Hebrews.
He was actually a general who had served with the Roman army, distinguished himself to the point where he was accorded honors, and then In his retirement, he began to detail quite extensively the history of the Hebrews at that time, and he was a contemporary of Jesus at that time, yeah.
Don't you find it odd that there was little recount of anyone named Jesus in all his writings?
Well, that's one of the things that occurs in college when you get into religious studies.
Josephus, who was a remarkable man and who recorded some of the most minute events, transactions, business dealings.
His published works go into the hundreds and hundreds of pages.
Being a contemporary of Jesus, one of the difficulties with the scholars who are studying Josephus is that there is essentially only one paragraph that has any mention of Jesus, and because of the way the letter flows, it is very obvious that somebody inserted that paragraph after the fact.
And so, you're correct, it's quite I think disconcerting for anyone who considers themselves to be a biblical scholar and a believer in Christianity, that the most, what's the word I want to say, he published so much, does not say anything about Jesus.
That is a very disconcerting fact.
And let me also go on record as saying that I have never suggested that Jesus was real.
Uh, in the sense that it has been portrayed, um, in, you know, the general public eye.
Um, I believe, uh, and I think most researchers will agree that the myth of a figure named Jesus has been exaggerated and has been contorted in order to serve, you know, the purposes of a faith.
Uh, which I really, I suppose I have challenged it, however... Yes, hold on here while we get out the sharper... There you go.
I am not persuaded that Jesus, the persona in the Bible, or excuse me, in the New Testament, existed.
I do believe that there was an individual who the Athenians referred to as the Teacher of Righteousness.
I do believe there was a figure at that time.
but one of the difficulties with contemporary scholars in their research is that they will often take a name as
Mary or a name like Yahshua or even Moses
and consider it to be, in fact, a name when, in fact, it's a title.
It is appropriate to a priestess or a priest or a teacher.
And so I'm going to suggest that Yahshua, or the figure that we call Jesus, that is in fact a title and not a name.
It refers to a teacher.
Robert, we're about the bottom of the hour, but I want to try this one out.
If I had you on the rack right now, and I had a nice sharp instrument, and I was beginning to slice open your belly and expose your innards so that you might see them yourself, and telling you, either you embrace Jesus now and renounce everything you have said That you believe you have discovered and apparently believe or we're going to start pulling out the pieces here until you either decide or expire one of the two.
Would you be busily renouncing or would you be busily holding on to the very end?
I suggest that my response would be that Jesus the teacher was righteous, Christianity sucks.
Okay, the intestines are coming out, and we are taking a break.
Now to Robert Morningsky, two faxes of note here.
The first one, Robert, there are billions of people on the planet that could care less about Christ or Moses, or for that matter, our Bible.
Can we please put religion aside for the moment?
Ask Robert specifically what his research indicates about our origins.
Who we really are, where we're going, let's give God a rest for a moment and try to gain some knowledge.
That's Mark listening to... Mark in Palm Springs, I guess.
What would you say to that?
It's a very good question and it's actually the question that began my career and my research years and years ago and I think most people are plagued by that same question.
Um, mankind's origins, uh, are essentially whether one calls them, uh, divine, star beings, extraterrestrials, or, or whatever the case might be.
Um, our research, as well as, again, other noted researchers, Graham Hancock, and Balvelle, and several others, uh, that I should not to, you know.
I had Graham on last night.
Oh, he's a fantastic man.
I really admire his work.
But essentially what the evidence is continuing to suggest is that somewhere in mankind's
evolution it was tampered with by beings from again whether one calls them the heavens,
the stars, whatever one chooses.
And I absolutely agree with the premise that our research up until less than two months
ago was all headed in that direction to try to portray the very same story, to try to
document this story.
simply could not foresee that in trying to bring it into contemporary times so
that we could address you know whether or not mankind has been tampered with in
the past how does that reflect on our present-day situation I could not
foresee that that would lead it to the Templar Knights and and again just as a
teaser the Templar Knights do draw and the family behind them do draw their
origins from a divine essence in the star so I mean the link is there
So there's not, in your mind, conflict with all your years of research?
Not at all, quite the contrary.
And you find this fits actually right in?
Oh, absolutely.
The hidden history of the Templars fits right in with the hidden history of planet Earth that we've been talking about for years now.
All right.
Well, I've been giving you some hard stuff.
Here's an easy one from Joanne, KSD St.
Louis.
Does Robert Morning Sky have any books, tapes, or info that we can receive?
If so, how about a contact number?
I would love to be able to, if I can.
Yes, certainly.
Yes, you can.
We have some people in an office who will be taking care of the calls.
We do have a new number.
A lot of people who have reached us in the past have the old number, but our new number, which is the phone and fax, there's an automatic switch to accept either.
It's area code 602.
404-8050. Give it again. 602. Area code 602-404-8050. Have you yet produced a morning sky effigy
that people could possibly order and burn? I suppose that's going to be very big.
It might be a hot seller.
That might be one way that my family and I can survive the next few years.
Obviously my career in the public eye being gone, I can't perform.
As a Native American with my theater troupe, I can't be a lecturer on the circuit, and so we do need to find a new venue, and so maybe that's not a bad idea.
Morning Sky Effigy, that's not bad.
Sure, you know, a full-size thing that would really produce, say, a six-foot flame when you got it going.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello.
Sorry, that's the last name.
Patrick in Portland, Oregon.
It's a very interesting topic.
It's kind of synchronous for me.
I was just reading about the Templars last night for the first time in quite a while in just an encyclopedia with a best friend of mine.
Before that, the only thing I had read about them was just reading Umberto Eco's novel, Foucault's Pendulum.
So I just have a question for Mr. Morning Sky.
Emphatically, not for art.
It's about the relationship between the Templars and Freemasonry.
If there is one.
Oh, you know I can't comment on that.
Yeah, I know.
I know you can't.
But Robert can, and yes, I already asked him.
He said there is a connection.
You want to expand on it, Robert?
Only in that the power behind the Templars is the same power that we find behind the Freemasons.
Um, what is most clever and most devious about this family, here we go, more nails in the coffin, is that these organizations like the Freemasons, the Templar Knights, and other societies, secret societies of note, including the Illuminati, they're the front.
This secret family has been manipulating them again, the documentation shows, for thousands of years.
And so the link between the Freemasons and the Templar appears to be through the family that manipulates or utilizes,
I should say, the two of them.
Soon it's going to be hard to get more nails in.
Well, perhaps, you know, I can be labeled so insane that they'll leave me alone.
Maybe that's what I'll do.
Well, you're going to have to sound vocally a little crazier to achieve that, Robert.
First Time Caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Well, good morning, gentlemen.
Good morning.
I have a comment and a question.
All right, where are you?
I'm in Chico.
Chico?
California, yeah.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
I just got done reading a book called The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion.
Now, a lot of stuff in that book agrees with what your guest is saying.
For example, that an Antichrist will show up.
Actually, it's not called an Antichrist.
He's called a Messiah, okay?
And he's supposedly from the lineage of David, King David.
Has your guest read the book?
Does he have a comment on the book?
All right, I want everybody to note before Robert responds that the hum that you hear is typical of a portable phone that is lousy.
Okay, I have a Sony.
Actually, it's an expensive Sony that I have.
My comment stands, sir.
Okay.
Sorry.
Everybody can hear it, not just me.
By the way, by the way, another point is Muslims believe that there will be an Antichrist In the near future.
Okay, this was predicted 1,416 years ago.
And I'm a Muslim.
We believe that a physical description that nobody else has is that He will be one-eyed in His right eye.
Okay?
And that He will lead the Jews as the Messiah.
And we also believe, believe it or not, that Jesus, the true Jesus, Son of Mary, will come down and kill Him.
And we as well, as Mr. Morning Sky, believe that He was not crucified on the cross.
But we, and we do revere him as the prophet, him and his mother.
And we believe in his virgin birth.
Okay?
A lot of people don't know this stuff.
Alright, let's let him respond.
Thank you.
Right.
Go ahead, Robert.
In response to the last comment about the Muslim religion and some of the basic tenets that he's proposing, I am familiar with them and agree with them, not from a religious connotation, but again, from the research.
In going back to the question on the protocols of Zion, I am familiar with the writings.
My research does not show that the protocols are true.
They're not real.
They seem to have been fabricated in a deliberate effort to discredit the Jewish people.
I'm familiar with them.
I think that there may be some things in there that are accurate.
However, I find in general they seem to be inflammatory, listen to me again, but I don't support the protocols as being an accurate and a true document.
On the other hand, as I said, there may be a couple of things in there that seem to be quite accurate.
Your career as you have known it is over, isn't it?
I know that, yeah.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Great.
All right, I really appreciate your show.
This one is, I don't know what it is, but it's really something.
Yeah, it is.
Mr. Morning Sky, I'm a Christian man.
This is Joe in Conroe, Texas, by the way.
Yes, sir.
And I am trying very valiantly to practice Christian tolerance here of your views and your research.
And I would have to say that even though I know you said it in the context of what your reply would be if you were asked to renounce your release under torture.
I believe I was extracting his intestines.
Right.
And that would probably, I'm sure that would elicit a more emotional response than would probably be normal.
Just a higher octave.
It would be easier for us to be tolerant If you didn't have to say things like, Christianity sucks.
Well, that would be in a very extreme moment of stress.
Well, that's why I preceded that with the statement that I made.
The other thing that I'd like to say, maybe it's just my misunderstanding, but I'm unclear as to exactly what this ancient family that you continue to refer to as the family, actually is according to your belief and your All right, in a nutshell, that family which believes it is descendant from Christ.
But then he also said that he thought that that was not true, that it was a fake.
That's right.
That is true.
You did say that, right, Robert?
Yes, that's correct.
And the immediate answer to that is that this family is using the very dramatic statement,
we are descended of Jesus, as the foundation of its credibility and the power base that
it is trying to create.
In fact...
In other words, they are using what you call the myth, right?
That's correct.
That's absolutely correct.
But the evidence suggests that they have been here for much longer, that Jesus was descended
of this family but they have turned and reversed it.
They put the cart before the horse and they're saying that this myth and legend is what gives us credibility when in fact they have existed for far longer than that.
So the gentleman is absolutely correct and that's the statement that I'm making.
I also Must say that, again, under the extreme circumstances that a very good friend, Art Bell, suggested, I would respond in a very dramatic fashion.
I do wish to, if it is deemed necessary, I do wish to apologize for that statement, because as it stands, you know, by itself, I'm sure that that's going to disturb many.
Sure.
Well, I put you on the back.
I mean, everybody should know, I said, if I were slitting your side and opening your belly and telling you to embrace Christ as Christians believe Christ to be, or, you know, we're going to yank out your intestines, that was the context of your very controversial remark.
Well, please understand, I am a Christian man, and I remain so even after night after night of listening to Art Bell, having people on to, you know, to convince me that we We probably descended from uh star creatures and that uh the area that I live in is soon probably going to to all be underwater and you know there's just a whole lot of really terrible things that that uh that could just knock my face uh all to hell so to speak but uh I'm still kind of hanging on to it and I do find the things that you're saying very very interesting especially the the way that uh
That you seem to be able to tie it in to so many of the other prophecies and various religions.
Who knows?
What I believe may be completely wrong.
I appreciate your call, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Comments?
Robert?
I have to thank the gentleman again.
As you at the very beginning of the program, I was very concerned that they were going to crucify me, but the response has been very, very... Show's not over yet.
Thank you.
Thank this gentleman very, very much.
I don't want to take his faith away again.
All I want to do is to present the information and let the public decide what they want to do with it.
So thank him very much.
I am, Robert, I am shocked, actually shocked and surprised at the phone response, the fax response.
So far I'm really shocked.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Yes, I'd like to ask Robert Morning Sky if he's referring to the Mongolian dynasty of France and if Jesus was supposedly not crucified on the cross, escaped and went to France and The dynasty was from Charlemagne on, and does that have something to do with it?
Sounds about right.
Is that it?
Holy Blood, Holy Grail?
Holy Blood, Holy Grail has a lot of the very, very same information that we had been working with for a long time.
I'm sure that I'm not going to put myself in any greater danger than to identify what other authors have identified as the family known as the Murrovinians.
The only possible problem I have with what you said is that apparently Jesus did not go to France, that he fled to India.
There is a remarkable author from Australia, Barbara Thiering, who has done work on the Dead Sea Scrolls, and she in fact found evidence in Dead Sea Scrolls that are generally not released or translated.
Evidence in the scrolls suggests that Jesus and Mary did not have a good relationship at the end, that she was very concerned for his safety, understandably so, and her family.
And that there was a Passover plot and he fled to India, she left to France with her family, and that the Merle Vinions, the secret family as I portray them, were descended from Mary and her offspring.
And Holy Blood, Holy Grail, I think is a must-read for anybody.
And if anyone follows that book, And perhaps the target on my forehead will get a little bit smaller and perhaps we'll look to Europe and some other authors.
Yeah, but in the meantime, if Salman Rushdie is out there, he could probably sublet you some space for a while here.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
All right, how in the world are you?
Well, you're listening.
This is Ken from Arkansas.
Yes, Ken.
I've been listening to this and I'd like to ask him just a few quick questions and maybe gain a different perspective here.
Okay.
The first one is, let me ask you, Robert, do you believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon?
Do you believe that Alexander the Great conquered most of the known world?
Do I believe that?
Yeah.
Well, you know, again, it comes down to the question of, you know, George Washington was the first president.
Do I believe that?
There are records and documentation to show that.
Perhaps the better way to put it is that I accept that because it is You know, a matter of record.
On the other hand, I'm the first to say that historical records can be altered.
So, based on the fact that there appear to be historical records to support what you have suggested, yes.
I am not, however, against saying that perhaps they were fabricated and they may be false.
Well, the thing to be said of your research then, right?
Oh, absolutely.
That's precisely the case.
As I said, all I want to do is to present the research, let people take a look at what I'm saying, and if they choose to reject it or set it aside, I have absolutely no problems with that at all.
The only problem I have is being shut in having the door shut down or or being asked to
leave before I even get a chance to speak and that I think goes contrary to what the whole premise of this
country and religion is about so you're absolutely correct I could be absolutely wrong. I'd
be well the thing is if you do believe that Caesar existed Alexander all the ancient uh
manuscripts point to that fact well there's a mountain of evidence that points that Jesus actually did
exist and he actually did die.
In fact, there's writings to prove that as far as Pilate and Herod writing each other about that.
There's two manuscripts that verify that, one from the 6th, 7th century and the other one is in France, if you're familiar with those writings.
Also, I could go through an entire list here.
Clement, Tralian.
In addition to the scripture, there's a mountain of evidence about Jesus.
Alright, I think that's a well made point.
In other words, Robert, to embrace this fact, what you apparently now do, and I'll say that, embrace this fact, it requires you to deny a very great deal of written History.
Now, it requires you to say you believe, you must say, you believe it is false.
That there has been an intentional, incredible, cosmic misleading of Mankind, since long before any of us can recall, or any of our many ancestors, in other words, for so much time, mankind has been so misled, so lied to.
That's absolutely correct.
I do believe, as you know, the opening statement in the very first book that I put out, that suggested we've been deceived, misled all along.
Um, and certainly for every book that one finds that supports one concept, you can find one that suggests that it is false.
I understand that, and that's why all I can suggest to Excuse me, to the gentleman and to your listeners is, let us just simply put all of that out on the table and allow the public to read, to pick and choose whatever is out there, and then allow them to decide.
I think that that is what free will and destiny is about.
And so, I will be the first one in public to say, except nothing that I say, believe none of it.
Simply read it, and then you entertain it, and then you make a decision.
But the gentleman is correct.
I may be wrong, but then again, we must say he might be wrong, too.
All right.
Let's do one more hour.
This is something.
Stay where you are.
Robert Morning Sky is my guest.
He'll be back.
Now to Robert Ghostwolf.
Robert, it's a funny thing.
I started out the show this morning not exactly knowing the direction that we were going.
Was kind of shocked when I Figured out the direction that we were obviously going, and now I'm intrigued by the response, by what you're saying, the way you've said it, by the fact that you've got your neck out a hundred miles, by the fact that you have effectively ended your career, as you have known it, changed your life, may end up being the modern-day Salman Rushdie here in America, and it's a tough, it's a rough, tough position to be in, and
While I don't necessarily agree with what you're saying, I am intrigued by it, Robert, and I'm surprised at the guts that you've got.
Not the ones we've spread on the table here, the ones to come on the radio and do this.
Well, I have to thank you again very much for the opportunity to to share some time with you and to talk to the public. I
think you really do, and pardon me for a moment, but I really do believe you
personify individuals who are willing to listen to, you know, any side of any issue regardless of
how extreme it might be.
And so I am.
Your work is exemplary and I got to thank you for it.
And again, if there's going to be a venue that's going to afford me an opportunity to say a few parting words, I'm very honored and pleased to have been able to share this time with you.
So thank you very much, and again, thank you to the people who are calling.
You know, I am also amazed.
I really did expect that we wouldn't be able to talk about this, that I would be, as you put it, crucified.
But the very fact that people are responding as they are is what has kept me going for a year and a half.
And I really believe that people know there is much more to what is going on than what we are being told.
And so thank you to your listeners.
Thank you to you.
Thank you to the people I've worked with in the past.
Thank you to the entire world for Affording me the opportunity to to express what may be considered slightly radical.
All right, well back to the Inquisition.
Art, how come your guest has not mentioned the following?
Knights of Malta, also known as Knights of St.
John, who are the Catholics or Italians?
Teutonics, who are the Germans and Serbs, and that is why, by the way, the UN did not want to bomb the Serbs.
The Knights Templar escaped France in the 10th century, went to New York, England, and Scotland.
Thus, the Scottish right and the New York right, excuse me, and the York right, by the way, all of the above, run the
world.
Any reaction to that?
Well, the question that was posed, you know, why didn't we address that?
Number one, simply the time constraints and the need to focus on essentially one topic.
I will not exclude so many organizations that throughout our history have been, you know, labeled as either secret societies or cultic societies.
The time is part of the restraint.
Some of these groups get rather radical, and I know it may sound strange coming from me, but I do try to be very skeptical and deal with information that we can verify from several sources.
And so while the individual who sent the fax is probably correct in that these societies do influence and continue to influence, our topic as we began this evening was with the Knights Templar and time and focus simply don't permit.
All right, that's a fair answer.
And then this, Art, those so-called religious persons who would censor or obliterate There's a word for you.
That's close to liquidate, I guess.
Obliterate your guests are really betraying the weakness of their own faith.
Real faith can stand firm in the winds of deception, doesn't need to try to silence them.
Your guesswork is not correct, but neither is Christendom.
The truth is a little of both.
There really was a Christ, a real person, But the one presented by Christendom has been so watered down, effeminated, and politically corrected, that he no longer represents the true Son of God.
If you want to know what the real Christ was and is like, he's right there in the Bible, not in the churches.
That's from Alhambra.
I take it you disagree with that?
I don't disagree that the true image of the teacher that appeared at that time has been completely distorted.
I don't disagree with that at all.
Again, I simply offer my research.
You know, I think you need to sit down with the radical writings of Morning Sky, the Bible, the Koran, and all of these books, and every individual has to weigh them for themselves.
Alright, back we go.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Is there any chance that when he was hit by that car that it was just an accident, maybe a drunk driver?
Yes.
I would like to believe that.
It's a fair question, but it was 11.30 at night and the headlights were off.
There's a lot of crazies out there.
Yeah, there are.
I mean, yes, of course it is possible.
However, based on what I've heard him say this morning, such an attempt wouldn't surprise me, would it you?
I don't know what to believe.
This is so awesome, I can't believe it.
I appreciate your call, sir.
Thank you.
Yes, there's always when you don't know when somebody hit you and ran.
What the hell do you know except that a crime has been committed in the running?
And the gentleman is correct.
I really would like to believe that it was an accident.
Of course.
I'm just very concerned because of the research that we're doing that that it was a factor and as I said my wife and I agonized about it.
We didn't know did we want to go ahead and say this or not and so the gentleman is absolutely correct and I would like to think it was an accident that nevertheless does not change my My feeling about the work.
Right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hello.
Good morning, Robert.
This is Monterey Dave.
An accident, I don't think.
But my question was, have you read any of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the references in there to the darker leader during that period?
And also the esoteric and the secular meanings behind all the imagery that's in the Bible.
Our resources come from all over the United States.
I do have a source coming out of Australia that has provided as best as is possible ancient interpretation of the
linguistic interpretations of the Dead Sea Scrolls and so I'm familiar with it.
Again, you know, you're subject to the researcher and their interpretation of our particular phrase or a word.
So I am familiar with it.
I am very fortunate in that I have Native American background.
I've worked with the Aborigines, the Maoris, other Native peoples throughout the planet, and that has played a very, very big part in, uh, one, assisting me in unraveling a lot of the prophecies that we find around the planet, but the prophecies and the work that I had been doing up to less than two months ago, uh, supports dramatically what is in the Dead Sea Scrolls and what is occurring now, so I find myself overwhelmed With what is coming out of all of this.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello there.
Yes.
Where are you, please?
Kansas City, Jason.
Hi, Jason.
Hi.
One question I have is, concerning the Knights of Malta, and the Knights that he's referring to, back in Malta, they had, during that time, they had pagans, which worshipped God of Attrition.
Uh, fertility.
Does that have anything to do with this being the head of Mary?
That night that he referred to?
There is an indirect line through Mary, is the way I would put it.
One of the things that has come out in our research, and this is not just in the last few months, but in the last couple of years, Is that, in fact, the oldest religions of man are all based on a mother goddess.
They are a female-oriented religion.
And the Knights of Malta, the Templar Knights, the Freemasons, all the societies, if you examine their writings very carefully, in fact, they have an orientation towards a woman, towards a goddess as opposed to a god.
And so, Yes, there are links from Polar Night to the Knights of Malta back to a very, very ancient religion based on the Mother Goddess.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Robert MorningSky.
Good morning.
Yes, I'm calling from San Francisco.
I have a couple of questions.
Fire away.
I read an article in Perception Magazine by MorningSky and he referred to A group of beings from Sirius that were a dog-like race.
And I wanted to know, in the first question, I wanted to know how does this connect with Sitchin saying that they were from Nibiru and looking more like human beings?
Was that symbolic or was that an actual likeness in your article that they looked like?
Dog-like beings. Okay, number one the article that was in Perceptions magazine and I am an admirer of the magazine
was I did not write it.
It was written by a lady who I have respect for up in the Northwest.
The individuals that I talk about, the beings that I talk about from the star system, period,
I have portrayed them or suggested that they are descended from a canine type race.
However, they are humanoid.
Okay.
And so, it does not in any way conflict with Mr. Sitchin, who I really admire.
I believe he's an unrecognized scholar.
Okay.
And so, the second part of the question is, the planet Sirius, how does it connect with the planet Nibiru?
And I'll take that answer on the air.
All right.
Our research has suggested that the planet Nibiru, in fact, is not a planet as portrayed by, again with all respects to Mr. Sitchin.
Nibiru is another type of heavenly body that, and I believe Mr. Sitchin has gone on record, someone can correct me if I've made a mistake, but I believe he's gone on record as saying that that Hale-Bopp I believe he said it's a harbinger of Nibiru.
Yes, he did.
I interviewed him and that is exactly what he said.
Yes, this is a harbinger of Nibiru and my understanding, and unfortunately I wish I had more contact with the gentleman, I am not sure when he suggests the return of Nibiru occurs, but in a book that we published a few months ago called Prophecy, in it we link the blue star Kachina, some Mesopotamian goddess, the sun disk of the Egyptians, and Nibiru.
We have an entire linguistic study on Nibiru and how in fact The term Nibiru is what gave birth to the term Nephilim, which is obviously a biblical term referring to the sons of the gods of long ago, and so I hesitate almost to mention it in the very, very brief time, but Nibiru, I suggest, is linked with the Hale-Bopp comet, which is linked with Hopi prophecies, which ties in
Dramatically well with Mr. Sitchin's work.
I do not disagree with virtually anything he says.
What we do disagree on are just minor interpretations of some old words.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Good morning.
Oh, this is Clyde from Memphis.
I'd like to ask Mr. Morningside about the Holy Blood and Holy Grail.
There was a question when I read it as to who was that priest and the woman The priest's name was Berenger Spanier.
He was a very odd individual.
A priest that was assigned to essentially the outskirts, the perimeters of France.
He was assigned to this parish and prior to his arrival he was very poor.
He had difficulty surviving.
But in attempting to rebuild a chapel, a church that was in his domain, the story is that he discovered in the ruins of this church several parchment scrolls and on these scrolls was a genealogy.
He approached his superior, a cardinal who, excuse me, a bishop, who then instructed
him to go to Paris, I believe, to speak to some holy church authorities there. They examined
the parchment.
When he came back to his tiny little parish, he was suddenly a very wealthy man.
A bank in Paris assigned him an agent to take care of his business affairs.
He was a very enigmatic priest who went from extraordinary poverty to extreme wealth.
One of the most curious things about him is that when he passed away, On January the 17th, he was 65 years, I believe, 65 years of age.
He was quite healthy.
As a matter of fact, his village had just toasted his good health and how extremely healthy he was for a man of his age.
However, he suddenly dies on January 17th of a stroke.
And the mystery is deepened when it is uncovered in Holy Blood and Holy Grail, it is uncovered that his housekeeper, the woman who worked for him, ordered his coffin five days before his death, yet his heart attack, his stroke, was an accident. And so the mystery deepens about Saunier,
and it appears, at least from what they are suggesting, the information that's coming out, is that
he accidentally discovered these scrolls that lead us to believe that there is a secret genealogy of
the family of Jesus. I agree with the authors of the book Holy Blood, Holy Grail, that this
appears to be a deliberate manipulation of the fact that there is a deliberate effort to release
this genealogy in what more dramatic way than to have a priest discover them in the ruins of a
church.
Robert, I had a very interesting show last night and We were talking about the Sphinx and we had revealed to us the fact, leaked to us I guess, the fact that there are nine chambers that have just been discovered below the Sphinx.
Graham Hancock believes there will be information contained therein that will change the nature of the world.
Everything we believe, every path we have been on, he believes will be called into question as having been the wrong path.
Meaning we're still on the wrong path now.
I agree.
Yeah, I had a feeling you were going to.
Let us delve into that when we come back.
From the high desert, you're listening to Live Talk Radio.
Well, alright.
Robert Morning's guy is my guest.
He's not been pulling any punches, so I'm not gonna either.
Art, there is documented proof that Christ existed.
The Crusaders, Knights Templar, Knights Molten, Knights Teutonic, came along in the 10th century.
The Knights Templar are still carrying a grudge because Pope Clement V was persuaded to abolish the order, gave their wealth to the King of France.
Be careful, Art.
You are talking to an anti-Christ.
I am part Indian Cherokee.
And those Indians have weird beliefs.
By the way, I believe the saying is, if you divulge any secrets that you have learned here, may your bowels be ripped from your body and shoved down your throat.
Otherwise, I take it, Robert, you're having a good day.
I'm having a very good day, sir.
One of the things that I am most pleased about in response to this fact is that those things that we have been talking about tonight ...are in full public view.
Other authors have written about them, and so I am revealing no secrets.
I am simply taking pieces and putting them together and saying, take a look at how they fit.
Well, so sometimes, though, you see that's what CIA does, Robert.
They take little bits here and little bits there, and really you don't get to the secret until the bits come together.
So, you may be a teller of secrets.
If that be the case, then I would plead guilty, but I would take pride in being able to portray a picture where, you know, the pieces do fit.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello?
Yes, hello.
Yeah, this is John in Houston.
Houston, yes.
Yeah, I was wondering what the comments mean about him ending his career.
Well, if you've been listening for the past several hours, the ending of what was his career should be obvious.
We should need to explain that to you.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello?
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
Yes, where are you?
I'm in San Diego.
My name's Kurt.
Okay, Kurt.
And I'm putting my radio on here.
That's good.
I was wondering a few questions.
They all relate to a past program you had with Robert on the Starbeams.
Yes.
And my first question was, since the nearest star system we know of is 4.3 light years away, how did they travel this distance?
Alright, the old speed of light question, Robert.
Care to comment?
Well, a simple question.
My very quick response is that obviously the speed of light and the technology that we deem to be appropriate to the universe is all based on earthly physics and earthly observations.
I would simply suggest that the rules which we believe apply to the universe are very, very narrow, and the perspective is inaccurate, and the speed of light can be exceeded, whether one calls it time warp.
You're suggesting that the rules may be localized?
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
All right.
Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello, Art.
Yes.
How are you?
I'm okay.
Okay, good.
I have a question for Mr. Morningstar.
Sky.
Morning Sky.
Morning Sky, sorry.
It has to do with Mary of Magdalene.
Yes.
And I'm not really clear on a lot of parts.
I remember seeing something about it on TV where they sort of suggested that Mary of Magdalene brought with her the chalice to France and they sort of suggested that it wasn't necessarily a goblet or a glass more of that she was the holy grail um
so to speak and um i'll hang up and listen to your response all right the um interpretation that has
led to uh such i believe confusion is again addressed in holy blood holy grail and we've done it
in our work in prophecy in this in this new The term that was originally applied to Mary was literally sangral.
But the term is, uh, two words.
It's Sangre, S-A-N-G-R-E, which means blood, and Real, which is royal.
She was the carrier of the Sangreal.
The difficulty is that, in time, the interpretation became San, S-A-N, which does mean, in fact, saintly, but then Graal, which was interpreted as grail.
So, it is a misinterpretation.
The Holy Grail is a misinterpretation of the royal blood, uh, royal blood, Sangre Real.
And authors Begentley and Lincoln do a very good presentation of that material in their book, Holy Blood, Holy Grail.
So, it is true that it appears that the so-called cup, chalice, or grail was not in fact a physical goblet, that it in fact referred to Mary, and that she was the holder of the holy blood of the royal blood of Jesus.
Alright, I'm going to read something and take a quick break, which I have to do, and I want you to think about it, Robert.
Art, ask Robert if he or anyone is willing to die for a lie.
For example, did Sitting Bull win the war against the Whites?
If you say no, we let you live.
If you say yes, we'll boil you in oil and crucify you upside down and then feed you to the lions.
All of which happened to the original 12 disciples and thousands of Christians.
If the disciples had not actually seen Jesus resurrected, they would never have died for a lie.
Because it was true, they were not only willing to be martyrs, but happy about it.
Ken from Arkansas.
In a moment, Robert's response.
Now to Robert, Morning Sky.
Robert, you heard that fax.
Dying for a lie.
Why would the disciples, why would so many Christians have been willing to die for a lie?
Let's not talk of the later ones, but the early ones, the disciples, the ones who ostensibly are said to have witnessed all of this.
It's a good question.
Well, I think it's a very good question.
I don't, I'm not sure that this is, how do I ask?
If he's asking for my opinion, I would suggest that the disciples as well as numerous, you know, hundreds of thousands of people throughout our history have been willing to accept Uh, guilt and or blame in order to save someone.
For example, and I'm not saying that this is true, but in the example, excuse me, in the movie Spartacus, at the very end, uh, the hundreds of slaves stand up and claim to be Spartacus in an effort to spare, uh, Spartacus, uh, his life.
And so in the sense that they assume the lie, I am Spartacus, They went to their death for the cause they believed in.
So one could say they died for a lie, they died pretending they were Spartacus.
However, I think that if people die for a cause, they die because they believe in it.
The problem with that is sometimes what people believe in is not accurate.
So, I guess my position is the semantics.
I don't believe anybody dies for a lie.
I believe that they die for causes which may be inaccurate.
Very gently done.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hello.
Good morning.
Good morning.
This is David, Liberal California.
Yes.
I'd like to know, are the Templars or the family behind them connected to the CFR or the Trilateral Commission?
And are any of them the same 19 people working in the White House right now?
I hesitate to oversimplify.
My answer is a very generic yes.
A generic yes?
Not a specific yes?
Exactly, because I do believe that the CFR, the Council on Foreign Relations, is a front For the family.
I do believe that's the case.
I do believe that the powers in the White House, behind the throne in England, etc.
are a part of the secret family.
Uh, it's a very qualified, uh, yes.
They are not specifically, uh, the P2, the Knights of Malta, Knights Templar, the CFR, the Trilateral Commission.
They are not specifically that.
These organizations are the front for this family.
All right.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hello.
Good morning.
Yes, good morning.
Oh, golly.
Um, first of all, Art Bell, I would like to thank you with deepest gratitude for the Thank you.
Where are you?
I'm in Las Vegas.
My name is Morningstar.
Oh, it is?
Yes, it is.
It's tribal.
And I would like to ask Robert Morningsky what his opinion is of Paul of Tyana.
The gentleman from Tyana.
If he has any opinion on it.
And also to thank him from the bottom of my heart for all of his wonderful work.
Can you respond?
I've researched quite a long time this subject and I think he's absolutely 100% right on.
So I'll lift him up here.
Thank you.
Good night.
Good night.
Thank you again.
It's always, for me, and this is my prejudice, it's always so heartening to find someone else who is of a primitive society who supports what we're doing, so thank her very, very much.
I am not sufficiently knowledgeable of this individual that she spoke of to be able to make a comment, and so, with great apologies, I simply can't answer.
I don't know.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Oh, I can barely hear you, ma'am.
This is Barry in Minneapolis.
Okay, you're gonna have to yell at us, I guess.
Uh-oh.
Well, um, I have so many questions.
Robert, first of all, I want to say, um, I haven't studied or done research on the things that you're talking about, but I've developed a worldview, um, that I feel is, you know, similar to what you're talking about.
And, you know, to me it has led to political activism.
All right, that is a good question.
What do we do given that all of this is true?
you know to protect the people that I care about, which are the people who are in the position that I'm in.
So I kind of wanted to ask you about that. You know, what do we do given that all of this is true?
All right, that is a good question. What do we do given that all of this is true?
What is the path that you advise?
My immediate reaction is, you know, that it is such a, this is a really good question.
There is so much that is involved, so many different groups, organizations, societies, the myriad, it's a dummy corporation inside a dummy corporation, etc, etc.
But basically I think if we look at the overall view, and again, again, I'm really oversimplifying here, but the power that controls the planet, whether one deems it terrestrial or extraterrestrial, The power that controls the planet here are in the hands of a very precious few.
And the way in which they succeed is that we the general public are taught to accept never question and never challenge. We are not taught in
fact to use our minds, the very gift which if everyone believes in a God, we are
given a mind which we are then not permitted to use. The problem is we're taught
to accept and so my immediate reaction is accept nothing. Challenge
everything. I agree with Mr. Hancock.
As a matter of fact, I meant to come back to that.
But I will go a step further and as I used to say in all my workshops, Accept nothing.
Challenge everything.
Up is down.
Black is white.
And everything you've ever been taught is a lie.
One of the things that we had put in the second coming conspiracy papers was a linguistic study that shows, in fact, that the very earliest terms applied to male and female have been reversed.
And so, without getting into it in depth, those human beings who we today refer to as male In the very ancient societies, that individual was a female.
In other words, the sex roles, the names, the appellations have been reversed.
Yeah, I think I'm beginning to catch on.
Everything is a lie.
You almost embrace the faith of the lie.
That nothing is as we have been led to believe or taught.
Exactly.
We're taught to accept.
We're not taught to challenge.
That's why when you go into the classroom and you ask a question that may plague the teacher to some extent, the first thing she says is, don't get smart.
The support that I would find for what you're suggesting is what may lie beneath the Sphinx.
And if that's what is beneath the Sphinx, Then I suggest the Brookings Report is exactly right, and frankly, if I had those materials in my hand, I don't know what I'd do with them, Robert.
I might burn them.
Exactly, and that's our position, and I have spoken to two other researchers who are known on a global scale, and the question that we have is, do you tell the public?
I don't think so, no.
And you're absolutely correct.
I mean, what we have talked about this evening and what we have presented in our workshop is not even close to being the tip of the iceberg of what the research shows.
And so, I don't want to take away from the world its faith, its belief systems, what it accepts to be true.
I don't want to do that.
The world is not ready for what you're saying.
I mean, some of the people that are calling, or even a majority tonight, amazingly are, but I know.
I believe you're absolutely correct.
And again, that has played no small part in our saying, no, we're not going to conjecture.
The agony of doing this, sure.
Yeah, so what we're going to do is we're going to finish the books that we have begun.
We're going to offer them to the public.
If the support from the public is there, and again, I marvel at the response that we have gotten this evening, I really do.
If they are willing to support and willing to entertain... They probably are!
They probably are going to, and what you're going to need to do is find a good publisher, one who will go for it, publish the book, find a nice Central American country where you can sit and enjoy and collect royalties for years to come.
I would like to sit in the States on a reservation somewhere in Powwow every weekend.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hello.
Good morning to both of you.
Good morning, Morningstar.
Sky.
Sky, Robert.
You know, Robert, have you ever thought that you ought to change it to star because they just want to call you a star?
Yes, sir.
Well, you are indeed the star of the show, so that's probably where that subcontract comes.
A quick reference to an earlier remark about Christendom and its martyrdom in the past.
I can only reference to the present time in Vietnam when friends of mine, comrades of mine, died.
Thinking and believing they were fighting for the right reason, only for us in the living to find out later, some 20 years later, that there was much political intrigue, if you know what I'm saying.
There's always political intrigue in wars, sir, and for you to suggest that 20 years later their lives were given in vain makes me angry, so be careful.
Oh, no, no, no, not at all, no, no.
20 years has not changed a damn thing, and those people who gave their lives, gave them valiantly, and gave them with cause.
Right art.
Right, correct art.
And what I'm just suggesting is that when I was very young going into the service, as many of us do in any country, we are perhaps Uh, induced to do so only to find out later that there was a slightly a twist in the in the operation and not to demean the reason and cause for which we died for.
Yes.
Thank you very much.
All right.
Thank you.
Um, let's see.
First time caller line.
You're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Yes.
Hello.
Um, my only question is I don't really see where the conflict is between, uh, the Bible or Christians and with with Mr. Morning Sky is saying in terms of The Christian says that Jesus died, therefore he could have had children.
You know, he can't be a Christian because the Bible says that Jesus didn't die.
He was dead for three days, but his physical body... The Bible says that he died and was resurrected.
You know, that is what it says.
Yeah, so it doesn't seem to be in conflict with having children or getting married.
Oh, I follow you now.
Is that an acceptable It's certainly plausible what he is saying.
Again, it sounds like we may be agreeing in the essence and only maybe disagreeing in the details, and so I'm pleased that he doesn't see difficulty with what we have done.
But there's a lot of importance in details.
I mean, we may gloss over them to find areas of agreement, but I'm sitting here feeling the details.
Well, I agree.
I mean, the difference is that I do not believe that he died on the cross.
I believe that he survived it, and this gentleman is saying that he was resurrected and came back in full physical life.
And so, perhaps... Actually non-trivial details.
Perhaps I've demeaned it by saying it's a detail, when in fact, it could be very vital to, you know, the belief system in what we're presenting.
Alright, look, Robert, listen.
There's only one hour of the show left.
I don't feel like doing an hour after this.
So, stick around for one more and you will have done it.
Alright?
One more hour, Robert!
One more!
Yes!
Okay, all right.
You got it.
We'll be right back.
Now to Robert Morning Sky.
Robert, again, thank you for staying on because the last hour after this incredible four hours plus now, I would have just been answering questions that you should have been answering.
And I'd be sitting here saying, well, that's a question you should be asking Mr. Morning Sky.
Well, I thank you very much, you know, for the opportunity.
Obviously, I am a little tired in that, but the response, you know, the people that have been calling and that... It's massive.
I'm astounded.
I'm just absolutely You know I'm surprised but at the same time I am so so pleased and heartened when I know that there are people that are out there who can listen to obviously what is controversial material and they can see that some of it makes sense or at least perhaps I'm optimistic that they can see sense in it but
Or, at the very least, sit out there and apparently, for the most part, listen with a very open mind.
Yeah.
I do.
I'm very shocked.
In fact, and I have to thank you again, and you've probably heard it a dozen times.
No, you don't.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you very much.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is Zeb.
Zeb.
I'm living in Minnesota.
Okay, Zeb.
I just wanted to say that, like, the last year, It's great to hear someone like Robert talking because the last year a bunch of my friends and I have been talking about there's so much stuff that we have to unlearn you know that we've been taught our whole lives and I just wanted to say that I think all that information should be out there for the public to hear you know at the end of the last hour you said that
A lot of people wouldn't be able to handle it.
That's right.
And I think that's kind of harmful in itself, too, because there's a lot of people out here.
It may be, but it's true.
Trust me, it's true.
But I, you know, I will take to heart what you have said, in fact, turn it into sort of a question for you, Robert, and that is, if everything is a lie and everything should be challenged and everything is roughly backwards from the way that we think we know it, Then what he said is true.
We have so much to unlearn.
That's exactly right.
As a matter of fact...
When we were doing the vision quest for the various individuals over the last year that I've been very fortunate to be in contact with, one of the first things that we told them was, you're going to have to unlearn everything you have taught.
That's just to get you back to ground zero so that then you can turn around and take a look at what is really out there.
So, Zeb is remarkably insightful.
You do have to unlearn.
That's absolutely correct.
The difficulty is, as you and I, because I have the feeling that Zeb is a relatively young man and he's very fortunate, your experience and mine tends to lead us to the conclusion that the world probably isn't ready.
On the other hand, I think we need to put the material out there and that's what I hope, that's what my wife and I are hoping will happen is that we have an opportunity to print all of this stuff at least, you know, one last time and let the public take a look at it and then let them judge after that.
They will do that, believe me.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hi.
Hi Art, this is Mike in KDX country.
Hi Mike.
I wanted to make a comment and then ask a couple questions.
Sure.
A man who was one of the scientists that examined the Shroud of Turin.
Yes.
He gave up his career because he would not debunk it.
He was a Jewish man of Jewish faith, and after examining it, he was absolutely convinced that Christ arose from the dead.
And he made a documentary and handed it to another gentleman, and it's called The Silent Witness.
And if he watches that video, he will have no doubt in his mind that Christ did live and arose from the dead.
My question was, what other garment or cloth or any object can be photographed and, upon developing it, produce nothing but a negative?
Well, there remains, though, much controversy about the Shroud of Turin, does there not?
Well, there is a lot of debunking about it, but if you watch The Silent Witness, NASA and all kinds of other scientists absolutely are convinced that this was the The Barrel Clock of Christ.
Yes, I understand.
One at a time.
Let's go for that one, Robert.
The Shroud of Turin.
I'm familiar with the video.
I have not seen it.
The gentleman who was responsible for the book on the secret of the Shroud of Turin, I believe his name is either Kirster or Kirsten.
I apologize, I don't recall.
His work is familiar to me.
We did examine it.
I do not have any difficulty in accepting that the Shroud, there is some sort of phenomena attached to it.
I however have difficulty connecting it with the figure known as Christ.
Um, I believe that there is perhaps a little more to the Shroud than we have been told.
However, um, there's a leap of faith here between the Shroud and the Jesus story that I can't quite make.
So, um, I'm not denying that there is something with the Shroud.
I just can't quite make that link with the story of Jesus.
Okay, caller?
And one other thing is he mentioned that he believes that all this information was fabricated.
So isn't it also conceivable that the fabrication that Christ wasn't who he said he was, or those scriptures are not correct, is also fabricated to create like a double whammy?
In other words, to debunk the faith of the Christians and also bring a large following of people to the so-called Antichrist.
That's absolutely correct.
And my position again, as I stated much earlier in the program, is that I have a newspaper background and I am not comfortable with making a statement or accepting a statement until I have three separate and distinct sources that aren't going to affect one another.
And we believe that we have found sources in Europe, in Egypt, and believe it or not, even in Native America, that support the conclusions that we've come to.
So you're absolutely correct.
Virtually any statement, anything written, anything videotaped can be altered, distorted, or a complete fabrication.
That's why I think it is necessary to look at as many sources as possible so that one is comfortable with the conclusion.
And so, the gentleman is correct.
We have at least three to four sources on all of our documentation, and that's why I'm a little more comfortable.
All right, uh, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Where are you calling from, please?
Uh, Art, this is Bob in Tuscaloosa.
Hi, Bob.
Um, I'd like to say something to Robert, please.
You are.
Okay, Robert, uh, I'm aware that you say you're Native American.
Well, I am also.
I'm east of, uh, east of the Mississippi.
But anyway, all Native Americans don't believe such things as that.
See, the white man's book from heaven Is the way we accepted the Bible, and I'm talking about back in years ago, many years ago.
Now, there's a lot of us that have that belief that we have the Bible, 66 books, you know, and it's from God.
Now, a man that does not believe in God, he could not believe that the Bible is from God.
I think that's what you've been hearing.
But now, that's what we believe, is that The Bible is from God and we don't care what happened back during
The time that what you're talking about, about the pyramids or whatever, we still believe that Bible is from God, and whatever is found, we still believe it, and we can care less of whatever is found anywhere.
All right.
That's a good statement of absolute faith, and I don't think anybody's going to challenge it.
Absolutely correct.
I wouldn't question it at all.
As I said earlier in the program, I speak for no one other than myself, and I would not dare dream about taking this element of faith away from us.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello.
Hello, turn your radio off.
Off, off, off.
Yes, hi.
Hi, where are you?
I'm calling from Anchorage, Alaska.
Alright.
Um, I, well, Mr. Bell?
Yes.
Um, I'm experiencing somewhat of a spiritual crisis here.
Hello?
Yes, please go ahead.
I'm talking through my Macintosh computer.
Yes?
Okay.
I grew up and went to Baptist Church.
I was baptized a Mormon as a teenager.
I married a Buddhist.
I have a daughter now who is eight years old and is asking questions about God.
And I don't know what to tell her.
Well, I'm not sure we can tell you what to tell her.
Robert, would you offer any advice?
No, I agree with you.
Whether it's religion, faith, discipline, whatever you want to call it, that is purely subjective, and I could not... There is no way that I could say anything as to what you can tell your daughter.
I agree with you.
There's nothing we can say to her, except wish her the best.
Sure.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Going once, going twice, gone.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hello.
Hello.
I have a few things I can go all over with this.
The trans-universal idea of people from another place came here.
It's real easy for me to see that this planet could have just easily been an exile prison.
So to speak.
And left here.
And this whole idea of these formed religions is kind of like a life-changing way to get out of prison.
Appease the warden and maybe we'll go back.
And after the last 5,000 documented years, it's been diluted and corrupted so bad that we have a bunch of people running around, you know, insanely Uh with this idea and what I'd like to know is it has that crossed your um concept of what's been what's gone on what's going on?
In regards to this being like a penal colony?
Well originally it's been a penal colony and the whole concept of the It's a very intriguing thought.
Our research, and again I have to stress that a lot of where my material came from were from the ancient myths and legends of primitives across the globe.
I don't want to say just Native Americans.
And then it was a process of going through and taking linguistic analysis, comparing them, finding the patterns and seeing, you know, what common threads there were.
And what we have uncovered seems to be more in line with, for example, what Mr. Sitchin has suggested, that there wasn't a deliberate colonization effort here, and that man is essentially a slave, a beast created to serve the gods.
However because of our unique situation we have found that there were ancient civilizations
that predated even the existence of earth.
There were civilizations on Mars and Venus including the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.
There was an additional planet that obviously doesn't exist any longer now where the asteroid
belt was.
So the idea that you present is plausible.
It perhaps is a slightly different way of saying that we are servants to the gods.
Perhaps, I don't know, about prisoners to a warden.
Actually, it kind of works in my mind, but the whole story isn't quite that.
It's not quite that.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Hello.
This is Ed in Sutherland, California.
Hi.
Okay.
Yes, this is a great show tonight.
A couple of quick questions.
First, on a short wave one time, I heard excerpts of the audio portion of a There's a BBC documentary on the Templars in France, and I wonder if you know about that?
And also, what about the Spearhead of Aquinas, I think it is, in the museum in Vienna?
And could you give your contact number again?
Oh, yes.
The Spearhead of Aquinas, I'm only just vaguely familiar with.
There are several myths and legends about it that intrigue me, but I have not researched it per se.
There is a contact that we have in France, as a matter of fact, One of the last partying shots that I will present to the world is there is a documentary crew out of France who has offered to videotape this information on the Templar Knights and some other things, and it's going to be produced in France.
And this very same group, I have requested additional information, both audio and video, that are apparently available in Europe, but they're not available in the United States.
I am aware of some of those materials.
I believe part of what I received in the mail a couple of months ago may very well have been, as I said, the material available over there, but which we can't get here in the land of the free.
Robert, I'm going to allow you to give your number again in a moment when we come back.
The bottom of the hour approaches.
I need my Desert Comm.
This is Maria.
You know I need this on Saturday.
All right, Robert, you have just about run the gauntlet, as it were.
We're in the final segment, so here we go.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Good morning.
Morning, Art.
Morning, Robert.
Yes, I am afraid, Robert, I disagree with you, because I saw this show, well, it's been some months ago, about the crucifixion, Jesus Christ, and My Lord, there were two doctors on the show and the immense pain, suffering, you wouldn't believe it.
It's absolutely phenomenal.
Maybe four to six hours a person could live and they're dead.
You're referring to the process of crucifixion?
Right.
I think it would be Mr. Morning Sky's position that that never occurred?
He doesn't agree that Jesus was nailed to the cross?
I'll let him speak for himself.
Actually, that's not correct.
I do believe that there was a crucifixion.
I do believe that he endured the pain and the suffering.
We have presented in the Tarot Papers our scenario.
I do believe that all of the stations of the cross, the crucifixion, the nailing, all of those things did occur.
Where I differ is that when the body was taken down, That it was not lifeless.
In fact, that there was life in the body and that he did survive the cross.
Well, sir, do you realize how long he was up on the cross?
I'm sorry?
How long was he up on the cross?
I hear varying versions.
A couple of days.
Actually, it's a matter of hours.
If one looks at the Jewish law and the Roman law, apparently he had to have been taken down on the very same evening that he was crucified.
I am not making this judgment call.
I am going by some of the Jewish researchers and others who suggest that he was only
out for less than a day and depending on the individual hours and so
Again, I I don't I don't disagree that there was a crucifixion In fact, I believe that there was.
Okay, I apologize for misrepresenting your position.
That's quite all right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hello.
Yeah, I wanted to ask him, where is he getting a lot of this information?
Because it sounds a lot like where Dr. York has been teaching for over the past 25 years.
Where are you, Mitch?
I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.
Okay, fair question.
Tell her.
Okay, I'm not familiar with the name York.
With apologies, I'm not familiar with this individual.
I can sit and quote some of the authors and the researchers, if you would like.
Barbara Thuring, several researchers who are probably nameless, but the individual that she named I am not familiar with.
A lot of people call him the Messiah.
He's been teaching, you know, a lot of things that you're saying about angelic beings or aliens, bringing with the human race and us being a part of them.
A lot of what you're saying, he's been teaching for well over 25 years.
It's really not something new to people who read his teachings.
He's written over hundreds of books that can date back to 20 years ago, where you can get the same information from.
And it seems like about the ship Nubiru or the planet Nubiru, he's from planet Ritz in the Orion Nebula.
And it seems like a lot of what you're seeing is a lot of what he's written about.
I mean, I'm not familiar.
But you don't have all the answers that he has to a lot of the questions that the people have been calling in and asking questions.
You can't answer the questions where someone who is well-read in his teachings can answer.
Well, that's obvious.
He has not read him.
He admitted that, so... Well, a lot of people out there with a lot of questions, I think that if they do want to find out the answers to their questions, a lot of questions that I've heard Well, there's another reference for everybody then.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hi.
Hi.
Yes.
My name is Joyce, but I'm from Nashville, too.
Okay, I'm good.
Turn your radio off, if you would, please.
I didn't think I was going to get through.
Well, then you can always hope you will.
Okay.
My question is, in the light of what Mr. Morning Sky is saying, what should a family do?
What should an individual person do about this?
How can we prepare for the future and the things that might be coming upon the Earth?
Well, I touched lightly on it earlier to another question, you know, what are we going to do?
My first suggestion is that one pick up every book, every piece of information, anything that one finds, you know, either piques their interest or is important to them.
I would read everything.
Certainly if this gentleman that the previous caller mentioned, I'm not familiar with the works, but I'd say read this individual, Zachariah Sitchin, Robert Bauvel, Graham Hancock, Colin Anderson.
Go to Australia, read some of their researchers.
And so my initial reaction is don't accept anybody.
Ask about everything.
Because, point of fact, I believe that the elders of the world, whether they be white, black, red, or yellow, whatever the culture or society, I think the elders all have but pieces of the puzzle.
I think you need to look at all of the pieces and see what kind of picture it makes, as opposed to just one culture, one society, one tribal domain.
And so, I'd say, accept nothing, challenge everything.
And I think once you examine everything that's out there, Your internal truth will react to what is appropriate to you.
So, probably become aware and challenge everything.
Robert, while I'm thinking about it, the number where people can get some of your materials, please.
Thank you, yes.
It's a new number for some listeners who have known about us in the past.
Our new number is area code 602-404-80-0.
Is that staffed during the day or what's the deal?
It is staffed during the day.
There's a message machine during the evening.
There is an automatic switch.
One can go back and forth from either a phone call to a fax.
So it's a combination number.
We got the latest equipment we could.
All right.
Area code 602-404-8050.
Right?
That's correct, sir.
Thank you.
Good.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
This is Suzy from Jacksonville, North Carolina.
Hi, Suzy.
Are you guys washed away?
Apparently not.
No, we're not.
We kept phone service during the whole thing.
Well, that's excellent.
You're calling for a guest, aren't you?
I have a guest on, yes.
Yes, well, you probably don't want to talk to me.
I just wanted to call and let you know that we all survived.
Everything seems to be okay here.
Well, we're all glad to hear that.
In the first half hour, we did talk to some people in North Carolina and South Carolina, and now you as well.
I'm glad to know that my birthplace remains relatively intact.
Relatively.
Minus a whole lot of trees.
All right.
Thank you, dear.
I have.
Be well.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morgan.
Morning, Scott.
The first time I ever heard of the Knights Templar was a guy on the radio.
He plays on the radio.
He broadcasts on shortwave, regular radio, TV, satellite.
He runs his program at the same time over all of it.
Okay.
He's in L.A.
Uh, P.O.
Box 1.
No, no, no.
Huh?
No addresses.
Okay.
Did you ever hear Dr. Gene Scott?
Of course.
He talks about pyramids and this Templar stuff.
You can see Dr. Gene Scott sitting there in his chair on satellite hour after unrelenting hour.
It's absolutely amazing.
Actually, no, it was the first time I ever heard of the Knights.
This is the second person I ever heard talk about the Knights Templar.
Alright, do you have a specific question?
Uh...
Could they be, I was wondering, could they be satanic?
Satanic?
Yeah.
Well, that is actually a good direct question.
That's a good question in the sense that I suppose Some people could personify them as that, and some people, I think, have tried, but I find nothing to suggest that they're... And satanic, I'm assuming, is either devil worship, or reverence, or... Yes, yes, yes.
There's no evidence that we have found that indicates that they're satanic at all.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morningsky.
Hi.
Good morning, Eric.
Good morning.
Good morning, Robert.
Good morning, sir.
What I think is really amazing, I listened to you all night long and, uh,
for the Graham, uh, Hancock last night.
And it, it seems like you're both coming from the same direction.
I, I began to discern the same thing.
Uh, Graham, of course, more indirectly, but there's certainly a tie, isn't there?
Yeah, and Graham seems to be going more towards religion now than what I would expect a scientist to do, from the way he was talking and the way he was ending up saying we have to find ourselves and look for a true meaning.
and I was raised a Catholic and from what you're saying, uh, Mr. uh, I'll call you Bob,
Morning Star, Morning, Morning, I got it mixed up.
Mr. Morning.
I'm Mr. Morning.
He's definitely Mr. Morning.
I didn't call him Ghost, though.
No, don't call him Ghost.
But what really amazes me is if, if Mike Roswell, if the people that want to hide Roswell give you all kinds of false truth, if during Jesus' time They put out people to change the story to get him against the people so they would crucify him.
And wouldn't you think at that time that they would have people writing erroneous stories so it would go down that they didn't want to be the people that had killed this person if he was really who this person was?
And they would be putting out misinformation like that?
It's an awfully good bet if I had to answer the question.
What do you think, Robert?
Oh yeah, I definitely agree.
I mean, it's just common sense, I believe.
And so, yes, I agree.
And I've got to tell you that I am an admirer of Graham Hancock.
The sheer fate of all of this was that I was going to get on a plane the very next day to go to Dartmouth College and to be on the venue with Graham Hancock.
I cannot tell you how really sorry I am that I was not able to get on the plane to go be with him.
So I am an admirer, and I really do believe that our research is coming from the same place.
Perhaps we very slightly ended the conclusion of where we're going with it, but I am an admirer, and I'm sorry that I missed this program last night.
I'm sorry you did, too.
It was a very significant program, as, by the way, this has been.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hi.
Hi, Robert.
I'm calling from St.
Paul.
Yes, sir.
You were talking about the theory of Christ escaping to India earlier.
Yes.
And I was wondering how much is written about his time there, as far as the theorists go.
My understanding, there are several...
Uh, writings, and by writings I mean books, apparently there was a teacher in India, subsequent to the time, or just after the time of the, uh, uh, crucifixion, uh, known as Issa, I-S-S-A, and, uh, apparently this was a teacher, a healer, someone who attended a mystery school, and it is, uh, remarkably close, this individual, to the persona of Jesus as portrayed in the Bible, in the New Testament.
And does he say anything about Christ's relationship with Buddhism when he was there?
Yes, as a matter of fact, it appears that many of his teachings were very similar to Buddhism, and... That's why even now, I mean, Buddhists do hold Christ in high esteem as a teacher.
Exactly, and I believe that part of what has happened, and with great apologies to the Church, I think it's been self-serving.
supposed to self-empower the church by, I believe, twisting what was actually said,
which were much more Buddhist in their inclination than is portrayed, you know,
even to this day. For example, apparently in the earliest of writings, Jesus did
believe in incarnation, which is obviously a very Buddhist thought, but
that did not make it into the Bible. I'm sure people can come up with numerous
stories of the Council of Nicaea and others who rewrote the Bible
in order to perpetuate the myth.
And so, um, I apologize, I don't recall the author's name.
If you want to call the office in the next couple of days, we can look up the individual who wrote the book on the teachings of Isa, a remarkable man who lived in India just after the, uh... Is it I-S-S-A?
I-S-S-A, that's correct.
Okay.
Alright.
Thank you.
Thank you, and have a good morning.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Uh, hello, Robert.
This is, uh, the Sparkster.
Hey, Sparkster!
How you doing, guys?
Hey, pretty good.
Hey, what you doing, uh, talking about this and then all of a sudden leaving?
You're kind of dropping a bomb on us all.
Um...
Sparkster is a very good friend, someone who was actually very instrumental in my beginning this lecture tour about a year and a half ago.
I've got to tell you Sparky, that's a question that is tormenting me and I look forward to sitting down with you and talking about it.
I'll tell you what I'm most concerned about.
I don't want my daughter to lose her father.
If you, if your listeners, if anybody out there has a way, and certainly the possibility of a truly demented publisher who would be willing to take these works and put them in print so that I could chuck away, if anyone is pleased, I really could use the help.
Well, at this point, this argument with this automobile is awfully persuasive that I need to, at least as I'm doing now, get out of the public eye.
I'm going to continue to write so long as public support is there, but, you know, it's... Well, let me tell you this.
I interviewed a man who wrote a book called The Turner Diaries.
Oh, yes, yes, I'm familiar with it.
He found a publisher.
You can find one.
Yeah.
All right.
One more thing.
Yes.
Just for the listeners out there, there's an old saying, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
And I think that goes with belief systems throughout until we're breaking paradigms as we go day by day by day.
And Robert is really true and speaking truth and This is up to the individual to do their research on this, to find their individual truth, because there is no smoking gun in any of this.
And I thank you for having the show, and Robert, thanks a lot for coming on.
Thank you, Sparkster.
Uh-huh, buddy.
All right, take care.
First-time caller online, not a lot of time left.
You're on the air with Robert Morning Sky.
Hello, my name is Vicky.
I'm phoning from Revelstoke, British Columbia, Canada.
Hello, Vicky.
Hi.
I'm just really impressed.
It's the first time I've listened to this show and I'm still sitting out here in my vehicle after driving all night and I can't get the radio show in my house unfortunately but I am going to be phoning your number Robert to get some more information and ask about if you have a Canadian distributor because I do sell metaphysical books and that type of thing and This is just right up my reader's alley.
You made a couple of very brief references to the Freemasons.
I was wondering, is there any more of a connection there?
You were trying to get through?
All right, I'll tell you what.
We are at the end of the program, hon.
There's not going to be time to address this.
If you call that number, I think you can get together and get the information you want.
I'm truly sorry, but, you know, we have constraints.
The program is ending.
I can't help it.
All right?
Thank you very much.
And, Robert, what to say to you, my friend?
You're embarking, obviously, on a new life.
Your life is going to change.
If you're careful, it will continue.
Thank you.
Yes, that's the consideration.
Again, my family, my daughter, and of course others that I care about.
I will do what I can.
This program has played no small part in convincing me that my estimation of mankind is true.
That we really are a compassionate race.
We really do want the truth.
We're tired of the garbage that we've been fed.
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