James Collier, co-author of Vote Scam, exposed election fraud dating back to 1970—CBS and NBC affiliates in Florida reported identical, impossible vote totals within minutes of polls closing, using manipulated "A times B equals C" formulas from voting machines. The League of Women Voters falsified precinct results, while the FBI confirmed forged canvas sheets, yet Janet Reno blocked prosecutions. Collier’s 1996 investigations revealed the Printomatic device (used in 30% of precincts) and all-electronic machines like Sequoia Pacific lacked paper trails, enabling undetectable tampering. He alleges systemic collusion between media (ABC, NBC, CBS), political elites (CFR, DNC, RNC), and private firms (AIS), with 90% of U.S. elections fixed—examples include suppressed wins for Pat Buchanan in Missouri and premature declarations favoring Bob Dole in Iowa. Callers corroborate fraud claims, while others fear retaliation; Collier urges mass video documentation to spark electoral revolution, warning that silence sustains the illusion of democracy. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning across all these many, many time zones as we enter into a holiday weekend, the 4th of July, Independence Day.
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A good day, I think, to do what we're about to do.
From the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains across this great nation to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
This is Coast to Coast A.M.
And I'm Art Bell.
And coming up in a moment, a man named James Collier, who wrote a book called Vote Scam.
And a number of people have urged me to have him on.
And I've got the book here, and I've got James Collier on the line from New York.
Does your vote count for anything?
Or is it really a futile exercise in what we think of as a representative democracy?
I've always been somewhat in doubt, but I'm a listener and I can be convinced.
So we will see.
James Collier and Vote Scam coming up in a moment.
Okay, as promised, here he comes.
James Collier.
Who is he?
He is at once an investigative reporter and co-author with his brother Ken of Vote Scam, the stealing of America, published by Victoria House Press.
Jim was raised in the suburbs of Huntington Woods, Michigan, son of a prominent attorney, attended Wayne State University in Detroit and the University of Miami.
In 1770, it couldn't be 1770, could it?
He was Ken's campaign manager, that must be 1970, when he ran for Congress against Democratic incumbent Claude Pepper as a research for a book idea sold to Dell Publishing running through the system ballots, not bullets.
What they discovered about vote counting in America triggered a 20-year investigation that culminated in this book.
Jim has been a staff reporter for the Miami News, and in 1959 went to Cuba to write a seven-part series on the Castro Revolution for the AP.
Both he and his brother were publishers of the Daily Planet, a national alternative bi-monthly in the 70s.
I think that's where Superman worked.
And the Miami Beach Herald Examiner, a weekly published in the mid-80s.
His constant battle with the establishment press to expose vote fraud led him to becoming editor of the four-decade-old News in Miami.
He was based in Washington, D.C., established the Home Newswire, which reported on government politics and ran the controversial vote scam series from 1984 through 87.
He appears on talk shows from Coast to Coast, which he is doing right now, has begun work on his second book, Vote Scam, the Shadow Government, which will further investigate the media's role in controlling the vote.
James, everybody wants to think that their vote counts.
I vote.
I'm a registered voter, and I go down and do my duty, and I somehow feel that it really does count.
Is it really true that it doesn't?
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In most of the country, it does not count.
And it's really ⁇ I always hate saying that because it's the birthright of American people, and it's like kicking the pins out from under people when you say that.
But the thing is, I've been around the country.
I just got back from a week-long 10-day tour of Florida.
I just got back two days ago, spoke down there, and I'm going out to California in a week.
And people from across this country know what I'm saying is true.
And, you know, the people, getting on the Art Bell show when you're a writer out there, you've really got to rise to the top.
I mean, I know because Victoria House Press has been trying to get me on.
And so I suspect that so many people must have called you that you said, let's take a shot at this guy.
And I've always not scoffed at it, but been in doubt about it.
I guess I'm a little, I guess I'm naive.
Anyway, we'll find out whether I'm naive or not.
I've always sort of felt that basically, you know, I know about the dead people voting in Chicago and that kind of thing.
But beyond that, I thought basically our voting was honest.
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Well, now, in June 25th of this year, Trevor Armbrister wrote an article for Reader's Digest saying elections are rigged in the United States.
And I talked to Trevor almost a year before he wrote that article and told him all about Vote Scan, but he left it out of the article.
And Ronnie Duggar, who was the publisher or editor of the Texas Observer, one of the top freelance investigative reporters in the country, has written articles for the New York Times, op-ed page.
The editorial pages won't touch the story, saying elections are rigged in America.
And people from states around this country are suing.
He ended up getting sued, as a matter of fact, by D.C. Comics to knock it off.
We did go to court with him in New York City, but that's another story.
And so Dell thought it was a good idea that Ken would go back to Miami and run as a Democrat in the primary against Claude Pepper, who was the father of Social Security, 70-year-old man, and ran unopposed mainly in Miami.
And we wouldn't spend a nickel.
What would the poorest guy in America be able to do if he was charismatic and spoke at every church breakfast, shook every hand, and did all the street work required out there?
And on election night, three minutes after the polls closed, September 3rd, 1970, at 7.03, the CBS affiliate down there called perfect vote percentages of 250 candidates, and they were 100% correct.
And then 20 minutes later, the NBC affiliate called perfect vote percentages, the same numbers exactly, but they added the digital total that each candidate would get.
And they were 99.99% perfect.
And in one case, in the state Senate race, four people, they were 100% perfect, right on the nose.
And of course that was impossible.
And what should have been the end of the book right there in 1970 has gone on now 25 years.
And so the day after the election, we went to the TV stations and we got the on-air readout that shows what you actually saw in the air that night.
And it said from NBC, it said that the criteria for calling perfect vote totals was one voting machine somewhere in Dade County.
And so the people who know Dade County on the west, in Pepper's district, the west is Liberty City in Overtown, which is the black area that often burns.
And they said, well, go to the League of Women Voters.
They called back the numbers from the precinct.
Now, what we found here was that we stumbled on a pilot project for America.
Just timing was just perfect.
And what I'm about to tell you goes on now across the country.
So we go to the league, the head of the league, Joyce Diefenderfer was her name, the late Joyce Diefenderfer, and she lived in a big house in Coral Gables.
And we went to her house, and in her living room with her own witnesses there, she said, nobody called anything back to the TV stations, and I don't want to get caught in this thing.
And she proceeded to cry right there in front of us in her living room.
And of course, we wrote about that in the Daily Planet and the University of Miami student newspaper and a bunch of local community papers and the Miami Herald and news and the TV stations wouldn't touch it.
And we went to the FBI and opened up an FBI report, which anybody can get today under Freedom of Information under my name or Ken's name, Jim or Ken Collier.
So everything we're saying is documented and the whole book is documented.
And the book is an adventure story of what we found.
You're suggesting that Woes reported by the television networks had no relationship or they were using some sort of weird little polling place to report what had happened and that is not at all what happened.
Now, how do you prove that is in reality not what happened?
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Right.
Well, the TV stations were saying we're not getting actual results from the courthouse.
The computer has broken down.
And that's a story that is now being used across America.
And people have seen that in the past 25 years hundreds of times in venues across the country.
The computer's broken down.
We're giving you our projections.
We later prove, and we show in the book, that the computer never broke down.
And according to the guy who programmed it, a guy named Leonard White, he said it was never down, it was never out, and that piece of paper should be in that FBI file, his statement.
And this information was being given out, and he didn't want to get nailed with this thing either.
And so what really happened was, is it was the whole election was rigged, pre-programmed by the television stations.
And we went to the elections to the guy who programmed the computer, a guy named Elton Davis, for NBC.
Because basically that's an A times B equals C formula, and A, whatever the number was off that one machine times B, your program equals C, the vote totals.
And you've got to always know two out of three in an A times B equals C, and if you do, you rig the election.
Now, does that show that, in fact, the other party won?
In other words, you're talking about a rigged election, or are you talking about bad reporting?
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No, no, we're talking about a rigged election.
The reporting was all made up in advance because, as we point out in the book, we had to go prove how they ⁇ once we found out that they did it, and you couldn't do such a thing in three minutes or 20 minutes because nobody called anything back.
There was no program, and you couldn't do it in three minutes anyway, because you can't call 250 numbers off of a machine in three minutes.
And the ABC affiliate there was WPLG, Channel 10, it stands for Philip L. Graham, the late husband of Catherine Graham, who owns the Washington Post and Post Newsweek.
And this will later, as we'll get into this story, lead on to Watergate.
But anyway, it ran a movie.
And again, in 1972, it ran a movie, tacitly admitting that they knew what was going on but didn't want to participate, which is criminal for a news organization to do that.
And I knew all the guys up there, and they admitted it.
Oh, yeah, but when you're making this serious a charge.
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Right, but I'm going to do it on your show for the first time because of who you are.
So what happened was, is we started, they wouldn't give us documents, and we ended up stealing documents out of the courthouse, mainly the canvas sheets.
Now, how they voted then was on lever-style machines.
It wasn't computer.
It was a stand-up machine where you go in and pull the curtain and you flip a lever.
Right.
And what happens is you open the back of those machines in the morning, and the precinct workers read the numbers off the back.
There's a three-digit counter for each candidate, up to 999 votes, because only 1,000 votes per precinct in America is the rule, basically.
Gotcha.
So they would write, they would read 000, and they'd fill in a canvas sheet, three canvas sheets, and they'd have to sign their name on all three sheets.
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Right.
And that's certification.
Now, at night, they would open the back and they would read off the numbers.
And they'd fill in the front of the canvas sheet and sign their name again.
So each person signed their name six times a day.
Right.
And there'd be about 12 people per precinct.
And so, and they would post one copy on the wall, send one downtown to the elections division, one to the county court.
That's how it used to be done in America.
And it is no longer in the precincts of America that the votes are counted.
That's an important point for people taking notes to remember.
So it was in the precinct and they did all that.
And so now the canvas sheets, when we went to look at them in the courthouse, looked all the same, except for maybe a half a dozen, looked messy and like broken pencils and like humans had touched it.
All the rest looked gray.
And even where people had indented in the morning, they indented at night.
And I said, these are forgeries.
And so we hired a handwriting analysis analyst.
And he came down.
He said, no, these are not forgeries.
This is real handwriting.
So we ended up stealing all the canvas sheets, going into the courthouse and a third-degree felony.
Stealing them all, and then went up to Broward County and stole them all, and went up to Palm Beach County and stole them all, and called the sheriff and said, arrest us.
Walk in like the burglars at Watergate and rifle drawers and saves?
How'd you get them?
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We did that in Dade County, and in Broward County, we went up to the counter and asked for them, and they took them out, and then we just walked out with them.
And the same in Palm Beach County.
We just walked out with them.
And when we got them home, it's a great scene in the book.
When we get them home, I throw them on my pool table in my living room.
And we look at them, and we're convinced that these are forgeries.
And we take them to the police department in Dade County, the Organized Crime Bureau.
And the cop there, Sergeant Blue, Walter Blue, he takes us into the lab and he puts it under a microscope and the pencil that they use, like the kind they use at racetracks, floated right over the top.
Not a fiber was broken on the paper.
And no indentations, no busted pencil leads, no points, no mountains on the paper.
And paper is fiber.
If you look at paper, it looks like it's all knitted fiber.
And it'll make an imprint and the paper will come out a slot in the bottom like a gumball.
Right.
And it'll have the zeros on it and you'll certify that.
Right.
And at night it'll have the numbers and you'll certify that.
So the first time they used it in Dave County, they cranked the handle and the roller went halfway across and jammed and they called troubleshooters because nobody had keys anymore.
And the troubleshooters came and everybody could see that where the numbers where the roller had not gone.
The zeros were on the paper in it, and the numbers were already on it for nighttime.
You mean they had been pre-programmed inside the machine.
And so 4,000 precinct workers walked off the job, and the next day the Miami Herald wrote a story, September 24th, 1974, for you people who want documentation.
And it said there was a big snafu when 4,000 people walked off the job, and it never said why.
And it said firemen and policemen took their place.
And hundreds of people went to the Miami Herald to get a story, and the Herald told them, go home, go away.
We don't do this story, and so did the TV station.
Well, the circuit court appointed an attorney because we kept taking it all to the circuit court, the head judge, and he says, I'm sick of you guys.
I'm going to give you an ombudsman.
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His name was Ellis Rubin.
And Rubin is quite famous in America.
He was the Bay of Pigs attorney, the Watergate burglars attorney, all of them except for Liddy.
Right.
And a few other famous.
His most recent one was Kathy Willits, the lady who was in Fort Lauderdale married to a cop, and they got her on prostitution, but he pleaded that she had to have sex every 10 minutes or something.
And he talked to the FBI and Organized Crime Bureau, and they all agreed it's a rigged election, and we had proven how they had done it, down to the letter.
So he takes it all to the state attorney's office.
Right.
TV cameras in tow.
And he goes in, he waives immunity, which they made him do to intimidate him, which means if you're lying, we can prosecute you.
And lawyers won't generally sign that.
And he gave his report to the state attorney, and he comes out, and I'm sure we've got the Pulitzer now, man.
This is it.
The story's about to bust wide open.
And he stands in front of the mic and he says, state attorney Janet Reno has told me to tell you that the statute of limitations has run out on the crime and she refuses to prosecute.
All right, so you were well within, or not well within, but barely within whatever limit there would have been had there been a two-year limit.
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Right, but there is none on fraud.
But anyway, Ellis eventually writes to an affidavit saying that he told her to do her duty, and she says to him, this is what he's willing to admit, but more happened than this, that she said, Ellis, if I do this, it'll bring down everybody in Dade County.
I'm going to do it.
So she didn't do it.
And that's why she's in the Justice Department now protecting vote rigging across the country.
Now, you say that the same kind of machines that you just talked about are in 30% of the precincts across America.
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Right.
There's a woman in Waterloo, Iowa, who read the book, and then she had a public access TV show there, and she was on the school board.
And she went to the election supervisor there and said, I want to look in the back of the machines and see what's on those print-ematic, that piece of paper in there.
And he said, when hell freezes over.
And the Waterloo, Iowa courier vilified her and told everybody in the editorials, don't read vote scam.
It's not true.
Don't read it.
And I called up the guys over there, the head editorial writer and Eric Wolson, and I had a long talk with him and explained, just like I'm explaining to you.
And he'd read the book and all that.
And I said, you know, this is wrong what you're doing.
And he says, I know, but I'll never get the other guys on the board to allow you a rebuttal.
Well, in every case, you've got a candidate, an incumbent usually, and you've got a challenger at least.
Now, when a vote comes out a certain way, you would think if there was vote fraud and with your material out there, the guy who lost would be inclined to say, look, look at Collier's material.
It's sold big numbers so far, just word of mouth, because the media won't review it.
It's just word of mouth and radio talk shows.
And not because if the book had no validity, it would die of boring, but it has it because people say, look, just what we found when we, and these are intelligent men and women, investigated themselves and have sued, gone to court.
And wait till I tell you about the primaries.
I mean, hang in there, guys.
These last primaries, as far as I could determine, were all rigged.
And I wrote an article for Media Bypass magazine saying so.
And somebody got the bright idea, hey, if we incorporate these people, we can become councilmen and mayors and set up judges and all that and really get all the money out of these taxpayers more than they're paying the county.
James, you've reasonably documented what happened in Florida.
How do you know this is going on everywhere?
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All right, now, let's get up one more step here to 1982, and the Republican National Committee put out a reward offer.
It said, and it was in all the newspapers saying that we know there's election rigging in the United States.
That's the RNC.
And it said, we'll give you $5,000 for every arrest and conviction you can get of people found tampering with the vote.
Right.
So we were told that the League of Women Voters were up in this bunker-like building in Dade County called the Data Processing Center out on Chrome Road for you guys listening down there.
And it's in the middle of the Everglades.
Nobody could get out there.
And that they were punching thousands of holes in the vote card.
So we got a video camera and we followed the vote card from 7 o'clock at night down to where it got counted.
And it's no longer counted in the precinct.
They take them out of there.
Now, the vote card, this is the computer ballot across America now, what I'm telling you.
I want to find, if anyone can refute this, call up Art and say, yeah, it's not true in my area.
The computer ballot goes home to precinct captains' homes anywhere up to two weeks ahead of the election.
Your vote is in some private partisan citizen's hands.
Not only that, duplicate copies are given to them.
Anyway, we were told we would be arrested if we did do what we're doing, if we followed this ballot card by David Leahy, the election supervisor of Dade County.
So we went to a precinct and we created a lot of noise at 10 minutes to 7, and then they called Leahy and the cops, and we ducked out of there and went to another precinct and quietly went in and had a camera, said we were from the Miami Herald, and we photographed the whole process and followed it down to the procedure is the same across America.
It goes from the precinct to like say a high school where 10 precincts will bring their 20 or 50 precincts will bring their security.
Right, and then they put these things in metal boxes, a thousand cards, and they seal them with a seal like you use on your meter at home, your hot water, your meters.
You know, it's plastics and on a wire seal.
You can't break them unless you twist them or cut them.
Now, when they get there, you see on the video, the woman, the guy says, my seal is broken.
And because the video is on them, they didn't put a new one on.
And you see a guy taking a Burger King bag.
He walks in with it, and we didn't know what it was, and he puts it down.
And then later, a whole handful, like 20, 30 seals, appear on the table.
And so we asked the lady in the video, we said, well, if the seals broken and you put on a new one and record the number, you know, that's like fraud because it shows like there was never a broken seal.
And we said, how could the seal get broken?
And she says, well, that's a good question.
Because you can't break them in the car from the precinct to the high school.
If people are investigating in their area, you go to your elections division and find out who makes the seals and how many do they order.
That's one of the things, the paper trail that you look for.
Anyway, they had duplicate seals and they regularly substitute ballots in their cars on the way out to the central place.
And they bring them and they put new seals on or they're given duplicate seals in the box and they seal it up in the precinct, then they break it in the car and put a new seal on.
So from that point it goes down to this computer, this data processing center where they had guards, metro cops, security guards, dogs, TV cameras, and we were told, you know, that we weren't supposed to get in.
And we got in.
And we got up three stories up, three flights of steps, and we got in and we videotaped the League of Women Voters punching thousands of holes in the vote.
And we had gone to the Miami Herald because we knew all the guys there.
If you see corporate America, local, state, and federal, it's just one big corporation.
And stability is important to the people who run the country because you can't make plans.
You can't get the builders and the developers and everybody doing thing.
If you're going to have a maverick in there who just wants to play hardball, it's, no, I don't want to give you a variance.
You know, you're building out there into the swamps, and those swamps are for animals and for water.
And you want to take it away to build your building to get rich.
No, I'm not going to give it to you.
Well, you don't need that kind of guy in power.
Or somebody who says, I'm going to do an audit and find out how all you crooks ahead of us have been stealing.
You don't need that guy in power.
And so that's been going on in this country for so long that to get anybody honest in government now and let them do all that would just blow this country wide open, which someday it's going to happen.
Are you saying this because you go to the media and they won't touch it?
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We go to the media and they won't touch it.
That is correct.
And not only us, I mean, people across this country have had wars with their local media over this.
I've got a war going with Bob Woodward of the Washington Post.
He says, don't start a war with me over this.
And I have that quote in the book.
Yeah, that's it, because they won't do anything about it and because we actually know the procedure that they use.
But wait, it gets even worse.
It gets worse.
Wait, the indictment of the media gets heavier and documented.
Anyway, they're punching the holes, and the Herald had sent a reporter named Bob Lowe, Pulitzer Prize winner there, because we said, hey, we're going to go up, and they're threatening us with arrest.
And so they sent him there to see if we got him.
And he was there, and we get him on the video.
Anyway, they're punching the holes.
He writes the next day in the Herald that thousands of holes are being punched.
There was a blizzard of Chad, was his quote.
Chad is the little hole that you punch out of the thing, the little white piece on the floor and on the feet beneath the table.
So anyway, we go into the room where they're counted after that.
And this contingency of women and men being paid at that time, I think, $50 per head per hour to the national coffers out of taxpayers' dollars to be in there tampering with a vote.
And they're still getting it across America.
Anyway, we go into the room where these BMX machines are, ballot multiplexers, which is just like a console, like an old radio used to be stand-up.
And they would put a thousand votes in one side of a metal hopper and a light and the pneumatic thing would suck the cards past a light, which would read the holes in the cards onto a magnetic reel that you see turning and then come out the other side.
And so eight of the nine machines were totally dark and empty.
Nobody standing, even nothing.
And then the ninth machine, we videotape a guy taking a card from the already counted side, putting it back to be recounted, a federal offense.
But the FBI stop actioned it for us, and they caught that the holes in the card were running the wrong way.
It wasn't even votes.
It was a phony deck.
With that, the hand goes over the lens of the camera and they said, get them out of here.
They drag us down three flights of steps and out 100 yards to the Everglades and the cops said, don't come back.
In other words, people can get this videotape or excerpts from it on a videotape.
All right, and on the tape, you've got the things you talked about last hour.
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And in the book, I describe it down to every scene, including the dialogue.
So if you don't get the tape, it's very picturesque in the book.
And then we went to Cincinnati.
We got brought into there by Jim Condit, who you should have on your show, too.
He's another investigator like myself and has done some great work.
And we videotaped the League of Women Voters there using tweezers to tweeze out a slate of candidates under threat of arrest.
We were there.
And we brought that to the TV station, Channel 9, the next day, and they ran it.
And we went on WCKY radio, the Jan Michelson show, the next day.
And Jan's now in WHO in Des Moines, that big 50,000 water.
So people can call him and say, hey, is it true?
Anyway, he challenged the election supervisor, Elvira Radford, been there 20 years to deny it, and instead she resigned.
And then Cincinnati Inquirer didn't write a word.
And we've gone around the country.
But now I'm telling people to go do it themselves.
That's why I say get the book because it's like a blueprint of what, because everyone said, well, what can we do?
I don't want people to despair.
What I'm telling people, and I'm now speaking everywhere I can get where people will bring me across this country now, that, yes, you can solve this problem when we can turn America back into what we thought it was anyway, Norman Rockwell is America, and get rid of all this because all the problems that we're facing and all the civil rights that we're losing that people listening to this station, I'm sure,
know about all come from people put into power who are voting our rights away.
In other words, from your perspective, was it rigged?
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I'm going to get to that.
Let me tell one more thing about the media.
Then we'll get to that.
This all started.
Digging for investigative reporting is mainly a paper trail.
If you don't have it, you don't really have much.
So we dug into the documents of this case.
And in the Library of Congress, we found several documents.
One was an election administration report put out by Richard Smalka of American University.
And the other was a report by the American Air Force Staff Command College.
And what they said was that back in 1964, after Kennedy was assassinated, the TV networks and the APUPI and Washington Post, New York Times all got together with the United States Senate and Congress and the FBI and the CIA, and they made a deal.
And they said, we will not contradict the Warren Commission report.
And this statement I'm giving you, I got from David L. Wolper, who does all the documentaries, until 1995.
Well, that was wrong, according Wolper told me 95, but it's past that.
So we'll not contradict that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman, but we want the right to count the vote in America.
And so they formed, they got it, and they formed a pool called News Election Services, NES.
And it's a network pool.
So when you see Brokaw, Rather, and Jennings go on the air saying we're the first with the most, it's 701 in the President's Clinton.
And they're not.
They're all getting it from the same tote board at 225 West 34th Street, New York City.
Just like the Miami thing that I explained in the first hour, League of Women Voters out calling back numbers, their computers, same game, the pilot project is now national.
And their computers tie into every mainframe computer in every county in America that counts the vote downtown by computer.
And it can change those numbers in counties across America at will.
And it's tied into every Secretary of State's office mainframe computer and can register the vote.
So the news media has total control of the vote.
And I just found out from an investigator in Polk County, Florida, that there's a company called AIS, American Information Systems.
Now, what we also discovered was that companies, there are private companies, and I have an open letter to Ross Perot in the book telling him about this, and he's gotten it from many people, believe me, is saying that these companies go and run the elections for the election supervisors around America because they don't know how to, the election people don't know how to run the computers.
And they come in for thousands of taxpayers' dollars unbeknownst to the taxpayer without public bid.
And they run these elections on every election, hundreds of thousands of dollars per election.
It's not a real, you know, then why wasn't Pat Buchanan screaming bloody murder?
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Well, wait a minute.
So anyway, what happened was the next day in the paper, the people noticed that 10% of Pat Buchanan's vote was shaved and Dole was added 3%.
And then when you call up the election supervisors in any county in Iowa, and you can do this, anybody listening, and say, how did you get the numbers?
Well, the media gave them to us.
And whatever the media said is what got recorded.
And that was NES, the network pool.
Now, Buchanan goes to New Hampshire.
And we have a story in the book about how Bush rigged the New Hampshire primary to beat Dole in 1988 and how Sununu was the beneficiary of that.
Anyway, they read an ad in the New Hampshire news favor, the Manchester Paper.
And if you go to Pat Buchanan's page on the internet, you'll see this ad that I'm talking about.
And it says, we've read Vote Scam.
Now, I didn't know they were going to do that.
They said, we've read Vote Scam, and we know you rig elections.
Don't do it this time.
Full page.
And so Buchanan wins.
Now the media the next day says it's the last one Pat's ever gonna win.
You know, the moment the momentum in 88 carried the WIMP Bush all the way.
He loses his WIMP status and goes all the way on momentum.
But Buchanan's the first guy who has no momentum after winning.
So they cremium him on all the Super Tuesdays after that across the country, every primary.
And 51% and 62%, schematically across the country.
And that's another thing to watch for in these elections.
You'll see at 7.01 when Brokaw and Rather and Jennings come on and give you the numbers based on a phony exit poll in the East.
So now we find out that 60,000 that they're willing to admit to extra ballot, what they did is people got a plastic card with a seven-digit number on it.
It was their own card.
And when they went to vote, the seven-digit number was recorded on a piece of 8.5 by 11 paper by hand.
And the card was punched, so you couldn't vote twice.
But they printed 60,000 more that they admit to.
And the election supervisor comes in in the middle of the day at all the Maricopa County precincts there in Phoenix and takes all the ballot boxes away.
He says, put the rest of the ballots for the remaining day into that box over there.
And they go stuff them, and of course, Forbes wins.
After the election, all the Buchanan people call me and they say, what can we do?
Because the election supervisor put out a report saying that only two people used those 60,000 extra ballots.
And so they said, what can we do?
So I called the election supervisor's office.
And this is in the Media Bypass article.
And I said, how did you know that?
She said, well, we had 20 people after the election count take those seven-digit numbers, 219,000 seven-digit numbers.
That's how many voted.
And run them into a computer.
And so I said, 20 people?
She said, well, 13.
Okay, 13 people.
I said, and they worked how many days?
Three days.
I said, how many people?
10 people.
10 people worked three days after the election, 12-hour days.
I said, did they get a break?
Well, 15 minutes.
I said, that's it.
11.45.
She said, well, maybe two breaks.
11.5 hours.
All right.
That means that they had to punch 50,000 numbers a day apiece into the computer.
That works out to better than a number a second, and they never could go to the bathroom.
I said, did you ever hear of carpal tunnel syndrome?
So I said, give me the name of the 10 people.
No, I can't give you that.
Public knowledge is taxpayers' dollars.
Can't give you that.
Give me the readouts with the 219,000 seven-digit numbers.
No, I can't give you that.
And people in Arizona now are causing a big stink about it, and I don't know what the outcome is yet, but I'm going to be writing an article in Media Bypass when I...
I've been doing a lot of work here in the Las Vegas area.
You have been doing work all over the country.
Everybody gets to you.
This man is definitely a person who knows the truth and who has been putting his own life on the line, helping people around the country.
Well, what I wanted to bring up was that here in Las Vegas, we videotaped some of the similar incidents that you saw over in Miami.
We videotaped the ballot boxes coming in from the precincts to the cashman field, which is where they are supposed to be counted.
The tables that received the ballot boxes, they call them transfer boxes.
All the tables had what they call seals, these paper seals that are supposed to be on the boxes to protect the boxes from tampering.
We have on videotape the tables where all the election officials were at receiving these boxes had spare stacks of seals on each table.
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And we videotaped the boxes coming in with the seals that are supposed to protect the boxes from being tampered with and certify that they haven't been tampered with.
Many boxes, we calculate about 20% of the boxes were coming in with broken seals or missing seals.
And what they would do is they would simply ask the poll workers right in front of everybody, and we have it on videotape where they filled out new seals right in front of you, right at the election counting area, and they peeled them off and slapped them over the old broken seals.
And then they took the boxes upstairs where the computers were, where they unloaded the ballots, and then they counted the ballots like there was nothing wrong.
Right.
That's done across the country.
Same procedure.
And maybe everything is standardized across the country as far as the fraud goes.
When everything is stored in the computer, then there's nothing for you to tangibly record.
For instance, in a bank, if you did not have any written statements or records of deposits, et cetera, you could not prove that somebody's embezzling money.
If everything is done in the computer and they control a computer, you could program that computer to change the numbers at will for the votes.
Oh, sure.
And this Sequoia voting machine they're making, when it was tested in both Pennsylvania and Texas, the expert who was a PhD who certified it or did the certification test,
a guy by the name of Dr. Ian Seamus, he states in his account of the testing, the procedure that he did and the report on it, he states right in there that you can program these voting machines right from the front panel where you vote.
Now, he says, now normally that wouldn't be a problem because most people aren't sophisticated enough to know how to reprogram the machine to change the votes around, but that's exactly how the people who set up the voting machines determine it has rows and columns of buttons where the names of the candidates are.
That's how they program the machine so that which button stands for which candidate.
Well, if you can program the machine from the front panel, I've got you.
Yeah, I assume you've been down raising hell with the city council about that.
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We have a lawsuit out right now that's going to one of the candidates, Pat McMillan, who is running for Congress, one of our congressional positions, Congress 2, has just filed a lawsuit against that machine.
And I find it very hard to believe that you would get a group like the League of Women Voters or whoever might be counting the votes to sit there and participate in this massive fraud.
I've sat in right in the middle of them and infiltrated the group, and they would sit there and talk about the good old days when they could punch holes in the cart.
Believe me, believe me, I hate that line.
Most Americans are good Americans.
That's a romantic feeling.
A lot of Americans who have special interests and participate in politics are good Americans.
I mean, I would go to war with them and all that, but they'll rig elections on you in a flash.
All right.
I mean, I've seen fire lifeguards, lifeguards, who had elections.
And one of the, you know, there were two factions.
And one faction actually had control of the ballot box and debated in front of me whether they should rig the election.
I've taken a lot of photographs and video footage of fixing of the boxes and so forth.
And I did it as a result of being incited to do it by a fellow by the name of Jim after he and I and another fellow by the name of Ray had dinner one night a couple years ago here in Las Vegas.
Do you remember that, Jim?
I do indeed.
And as Tom told you, I filed a lawsuit against Catherine Ferguson on this Equoia Pacific machine.
Right, she's the election supervisor.
Yeah, yeah.
Of course, the problem is the federal courts are pretty corrupt, and they'll do everything they can to throw it out.
And the only way we're going to get that suit on is if we get a lot of public opinion, if we get a lot of discussion on the radio and on the TV and the newspapers and so forth, to where the courts realize it's a hot potato and they don't try to throw it out.
And I just wanted to corroborate your thesis, your premise.
I ran a couple of campaigns for a very ethical conservative Republican woman who campaigned on her intention to do an audit in your words to find out how much had been stolen by the guys who had been there ahead of her, if you know what I mean.
And on election night in 1994, I was watching the precinct returns coming in over cable T V and a message came across the screen that the computers at the election office had crashed, so I called the election office to find out what was happening, and another conservative Republican volunteer came to the phone, and her voice was shaking, and I asked her what was wrong, and she kept her hand over the phone and whispered to me, about a half an hour ago,
I walked into this little room where they keep the computers which count the ballots, and they didn't see me.
They had their backs turned to me, and I heard them say, in about a half an hour, the computer will be crashing.
And it did happen.
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It's in the book.
We write about it, say, right?
It's a national phenomenon, a new candidate too.
That's what they do.
And what they do is they let through to see if they're going to get whipped by the candidate, the good guys.
And then if they are going to get whipped, because you see that candidate is winning, they crash the computer, and only when it comes back, that candidate's losing, but only that candidate gets turned around.
Mr. Collier, now, for my edification, this is why I'm calling in.
I worked a precinct for a candidate.
And it was my job to hand out bills a distance away from the polling place.
And then at the end, after the polling was done, it was my job to go in and get the count.
Now, the type of machine that everybody uses around here is the type where you pull down the levers and the screen goes behind you after you pull down the big lever.
Right.
But you vote by individual little levers.
Or you can take one lever if you want to vote the party line, whatever.
Right.
And so after everything was done, these scrolls were taken out of the back of the print-ematic.
Pardon?
Yeah, it's called the Printomatic.
Okay, yeah.
And these were taken out, and they were laid on tables, and then the count was given to us people who were interested for our different candidates.
Well, if you heard the beginning of the show, I talked about that and I didn't catch how that works.
Is that already done before done ahead of time?
No king.
Yeah, and I tell people, have them open the back so you can see it.
And so far, not a single precinct in this country have they ever allowed anyone to look at those pieces of paper in there.
And I've been telling people, fight them.
Oh, boy.
How do you get to do that?
These people seem like they guard that with a militancy that's scary.
You're talking billion-dollar business vote rigging in America.
It isn't just here, it isn't there, and it isn't dead people.
It's billion-dollar organized business.
They have a newsletter that every election supervisor gets, election administration report.
You can get it in the Library of Congress.
They meet.
Election supervisors meet in little Appalachia-type meetings in big resorts in America every year.
Well, it would seem then the only way that you could fight it is the way you fought it, by doing illegal things, breaking in, that sort of thing, right?
unidentified
Well, you know, you try lawsuits, but the judges that they put up there that you get are fixing judges, so you can't win on the lawsuit level.
So until people are willing to, I'm telling people to boycott their newspapers because the newspapers are in on it and running it.
Boycott the advertisers in the newspapers until it becomes an issue.
Wherever there's paper ballots, real paper ballots counted in the precincts?
They're not counted in the precinct.
No.
Oh, well, there's paper ballots run through a computer.
Correct.
Well, they're using them wherever the card reader is, and I don't know if it's in your area.
The whole ballot is run through.
Right, in the precinct or downtown?
Downtown at the county.
Well, you check it out downtown right there, and you see if there's a contingent of people who handle that paper ballot before it runs into the computer, and they're the people.
They don't get it.
The League of Women Voters gets it in the national coffin.
Well, I don't know.
I just, everything you talked about, I'm assuming that it's in bigger towns than ours because I don't see it.
And in Kansas, Dole, they didn't have a primary because they took a poll and found out that Dole was going to lose in his home state.
Yeah.
Like I said earlier, you talked about what Buchanan would do after Iowa, and then you kind of just glossed over it.
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No, I said what he did.
I said he went and he won in New Hampshire with the ad that he took out in the paper.
It's on his page for people who have the internet.
And then he went off with his tail between his legs after that.
And believe me, people have gone after him for this.
And I put forth a proposition that when they had the meeting down in Dallas with Ross Perot, and everybody was there from Pat and Republicans and Democrats that the done deals were done there.
And Pat was told he wasn't going to win, but he could go out and make noise.
Yeah.
And that's the name of the game.
And that Pat knows it.
And that on his page, it's Phil.
Just go to Pat Buchanan's page and you'll see all the vote scam stuff all over his page.
I work for a local television station and in the news department, and I know that every reporter there would love to take this kind of a story if the evidence is there.
I honestly can't tell you because I just moved into the county.
unidentified
Okay, so that's your problem.
When you go investigate yourself, you're going to find out what I said.
And if you do try to do the story, they'll fire you.
David Burnham of the New York Times was fired, and we print that story in there for printing an article saying that Admiral Poindexter of the National Security Administration in the White House under Ronald Reagan did a report saying that the elections are rigged in America with computer and they fired Burnham for that.
Well, I'm really not going for either broad brush statement.
I don't think they're all rigged.
I don't think they're all honest.
unidentified
No, correct.
They're not all rigged.
There are places where election supervisors, and they've told me, North Carolina, I think, is one of them, they will not use anything but paper ballots because they know what's going on in the rest of the country.
Just like that lady said, she got into the room and they didn't know it, and they knew the computer was going to break down in a half hour.
When you get inside the computer part of it, and that's 70% of the country.
What makes us think that this is not some liberal conspiracy to convince people that they shouldn't vote in the upcoming election, excuse me, because, you know, perhaps they see Bob Dole coming and they can't do anything about it.
Well, did you hear all the other people calling you?
Of course I did.
But I thought, I mean, I have tried to get into the show.
I have tried to get into this show forever.
I didn't know I was going to be on this show till today.
Really?
Well, I have tried to get into the show forever, and I find it rather unusual that you know.
I didn't know I was going to be on the show till a few hours ago, right?
I think you're doing yourself and people a disservice, ma'am, because reading is really an important thing to do.
And if you read the book, Vote Scam, The Stealing of America, that I bothered to write, you would walk away sick to your stomach about what's going on in this country.
Well, sir, I don't read.
I don't believe everything I read.
I mean, I read a great deal, and there's no way that I can believe everything.
Well, then go out and investigate how the votes counted.
That I intend to do.
When November comes, I'm going to follow you.
Videotape.
Vote somewhere.
Videotape the whole election from 7 o'clock at night on when the polls closed and follow your ballot if it's a computer ballot there in Houston, I think.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Collier.
unidentified
Hi.
Good morning.
I'll go to topic in just a few seconds, but I just want to praise you to the skies.
For years, I've been waiting for a program that was like Long John Neville, that dabbled in Roswell and all the other good stuff, pyramids, and so forth.
I'm a transplanted New Yorker, and I do believe I heard about the problem of vote fraud in the Village Voice, either Staff Writer or the Alexander Cockburn press clip column.
And it was extremely disquieting then, and now that it seems to be further documented by your guests, it's even more disquieting.
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Well, there's a book out called Dirty Little Secrets, and it's all done, and that's a big right now.
Those two guys are doing the radio circuit, and they're talking about vote rigging across the country in Dirty Little Secrets.
I just want to extend this further, by the way.
I have always, and by way of disclaimer for the language I'm going to use, which is not foul, I'm going to say I have never been anything more than a liberal Democrat.
But we find, now going back to the language of communism and such, the running dogs of capitalism, the lackeys of capitalism, that is what the press is.
And consequently, when we have to look, I believe we should delve somewhat further and see who is being represented when we have votes being rigged.
But also a question arises: how is it that there were so many freshmen, Republicans, non-incumbent.
As fast as the American public wakes up, I mean, I just got on Art Bell Show.
I've been doing lesser shows.
I did a few 50,000 a lot, but it's just gotten to Art Bell.
And if you understand what that means, it's the grassroots are growing.
And when the American public, this next primaries around the country, I'd like to see a million people with video cameras out there, and you'll all see what I'm saying.
Don't take my word for anything.
Check out your own elections.
And there's not one of you except paper ballot people who will come away with anything other than saying he was absolutely true.
I just want to say that I was also in North Carolina.
I was a judge up there, and we did have paper counting.
And at least, well, in all our elections, we did the counting, and then we called it indirectly.
I called it in.
Right.
North Carolina election supervisors told me, and I just said that before, that they will not go to computer because they know everyone else is rigging them.
Right.
Okay, but now here in Broward County.
Jane Carroll is your election supervisor.
Right.
Right.
Anyway, we also count them, and we're very careful, and we have so many ballots that we have to account for.
Absentee.
By the way, you use computers there.
However, yeah, right.
However, we take them over then, and then they throw them in the computer, and who knows what happens.
Right, and believe me, I know Jane Carroll real well, and she knows what I think of her, and I don't have to say more to all you people reading between the lines.
Right.
And as a matter of fact, I was down there, and I was on a radio show, Mike Farrell's show in West Palm Beach last week.
Oh, were you?
And Jackie Winchester, the election supervisor, calls in.
And I said, and I call her a liar over the phone to the public because she says, I said, Jackie, when the ballots come in, do they go up a backstairs?
Now, listen to me, people, around America, with computer ballots.
They're always brought up a back step.
That's part of the procedure, up a back elevator where you can't follow them.
They're not done in public.
Well, we hand them in at a little opening in a warehouse.
Right.
Or they're on a back street.
In Downey, California, anyway, Jackie, I said, do you put header cards in front of the deck of cards before you read it in that ballot multiplexer?
And she says, yes.
Well, header cards tell the computer how to read the deck, the cards that come after it.
And so that's across America.
You people will videotape that, header cards being put in front of your vote cards.
And those header cards' only purpose is to tell it how to read what comes next.
And I hope a bunch of people go out and follow the election process this next election.
And I suspect they will.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Collier.
Hi.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm calling from the Monterey Peninsula.
I heard that the state of Nevada has passed or is passing a law that you can't bring cameras in because it will intimidate the workers.
What do you know about that?
I don't know anything about it.
The guy who would know is the guy named Tom, and I guess he doesn't want me to give him his last name, but everybody goes to him there.
I have a question about here.
We had a primary.
There was a Republican running against another Republican.
The guy was furious because he knew he should win, but his opponent was consistently ahead because the station that was doing the live coverage was using the Secretary of State's office in Sacramento, where, you know, the mainframe.
All this stuff was supposed to go up there.
But nothing was happening.
I called the local registrar and found that the guy was winning two to one.
He was relieved, of course, but what was going on there?
In the state of California, a group out of Irvine, California called DMF.
I don't remember what DMF stands for.
It's a company.
I did three hours on Pacifica Radio there out of L.A. in 92.
And we tracked it down then with the John Rappaport.
And DMF runs the elections for the state of California.
One other question, and by the way, the reel of tape that the vote is counted on in L.A. goes 20 miles away to Downey to be counted.
Well, you can invalidate a ballot, and I'm trying to explain this to Art by just punching an extra hole with it.
That's what that guy in California just said he had been doing.
He admitted he was.
unidentified
Exactly.
The question is, if it's counted at the precinct level, we still have cards here, the paper.
If it's counted, how can they invalidate it when it gets to the county seat and the main election?
In other words, how can they invalidate what's already been validated on the precinct level?
What does that tell you?
In other words, if all of the ballots that go in have been looked at by three people right here in our precinct, and yet they get invalidated later or through a recount.
And on December 3rd, this last primary, the primary was the 21st, three weeks before, the election supervisor was found in the alley with a bullet in his head behind a dumpster.
A woman named Sue Bernaker was running against the election supervisor's uncle.
His name was Nick Gambaluka, 70-year-old councilman in Jefferson Parish.
He would fall asleep at council meetings.
Sue was real popular.
Polls showed she couldn't lose, 41 years old.
And so on election night, she loses.
And she goes down after the election, and she videotapes the computers in the warehouse.
And she pushes a button, and it votes for her.
She can tell because there's a liquid crystal display about thigh high that no one would ever look at, and she didn't either until she scanned the machine with the camera.
And then she pushed it four times.
It voted for her.
The fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth.
It voted for Nick Gambaluka.
His nephew, Anthony Gambaluca, was found with a bullet in his head.
If all you're saying is true, or even a healthy portion of it, aren't you worried you're going to be found with a bullet in the back of your head?
unidentified
Well, no, I have that in the book.
It says, the first question everybody asked me is, aren't you afraid you're going to get killed, and have you gone to 60 minutes?
And they attempted to, and you can read about that in the book.
And we went to 60 minutes, and Mike Wallace, investigative reporter Gayton Fonzie, he was in the one of the one of the top two investigators in the country under Seymour Hirsch, wrote a story that he had spoken to Brian Ross, NBC's top investigator, who said Mike Wallace told him, Brian Ross, that he had the biggest story in America, that he had interviewed me, and that it was the biggest vote fraud story,
and then he gets to New York and CBS says, forget it.
So when I wrote the book, I give the book to Mike, and he says, Jim, as far as that book is concerned, I have permanent Alzheimer's disease.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Collier.
unidentified
Hello.
Hello.
It seems to me that something also very topical and parallel to the Russian elections, and I also had something in the New York Two recent issue where a Russian diplomat was quoted by the author as saying, yes, we know that.
Everybody knows that.
Yeltsin rigged the elections.
He's in illegally.
But you see, he has just bombed the parliament and killed about 140 elected parliament members.
Therefore, we didn't want to embarrass him or say anything against him.
And it's incredible that this guy that has taken over the media, that gets billions of dollars in effect campaign contributions from the West to be, as Henry Collier said, a capitalist lobby for the Western corporations to rape for the Soviet Union.
Even one of his own allies, Javlitsky, has said that he has rigged the election.
When we come back, James, I'm going to ask you about the Russian elections, the ones that just concluded with Boris Yeltsin having angina pains and yet clearly winning.
And I want to give you an opportunity before we go any further and run out of time or something to give the information on how to get your book and or I think the videotape is very important.
Right.
So tell them how to get it.
unidentified
All right.
The book is Vote Scam, The Stealing of America.
And it's James and Kenneth Collier.
You can go to your bookstore and they'll order it for you.
The June 17th issue on the cover this year, Rich Lowry, L-O-W-R-Y, the national political reporter for that magazine, the National Review, wrote an article called Vote Fraud in America, Early and Often.
Vote fraud used to be a crude tool of machine politicians.
Now it is skillfully engineered by liberal reformers.
And just let me read you this little bit.
On election day, five men show up at a post office carrying luggage.
Their bags are stuffed with 1,100 ballots, which will constitute 20% of the vote cast that day.
Some of the ballots have probably been filled out by the men themselves.
Others have been wrung from voters under the threat that they will lose their government benefits if they don't go along.
The fraudulent ballots will help maintain a power in power, a corrupt elite that regularly manipulates elections to its advantage no matter how people vote at the polls.
And this was done in Greene County, Alabama.
And I'll read one more paragraph.
In recent years, evidence of vote fraud has cast doubt on the results of several statewide and federal elections, a stunning failing of democratic practice in the 90s, America, yet fraud still gets short shrift in the national press, except for a June 1995 Reader's Digest article, and I told you that was by Trevor Armbrewster, and a chapter in Larry Sabateau and Glenn Simpson's new book, Dirty Little Secrets, an excellent,
thorough account which touches on most of the cases dealt with here.
Vote fraud has gotten little play.
So for the people out there who think they're so clever and that I'm trying to put something over on them, that's William F. Buckley, and he did a good report, and he didn't put vote scam in it.
There was another news magazine article that if someone doesn't want to invest the $10 up front in the book, which I have read and I think is excellent, there's an article in Science News, October 30, 1993.
The title is Making Votes Count: How to Steal an Election the Modern Way.
Header cards, I had steamed them in my precinct in San Francisco.
Intentional invalidation of the voter cards to disqualify them are correct.
But this is not what turned me off on the entire system.
There's a much bigger fraud.
What?
And I'm talking about the Anglo-American establishment, the fact that the Council on Foreign Relations has every election sewed up, which makes our experience in the presidential elections all theater.
Well, that's true.
They're all CFR.
Yeah, it's the perpetuation of the illusion of the two-party system.
Right.
And that's what it is, an illusion.
And we print in the book, and this is a great chapter in the book, where we get all the conspirators in one room in Washington.
The answer to David Rockefeller.
Yeah, but now listen to this.
This is interesting.
In the room is the head of ABC News, Runarlich, Leonard Grossman of NBC.
I forgot who CBS was.
John Sununu chairs the meeting.
Catherine Graham is at the meeting.
CFR members.
All the media is there, and they say there's no media here today.
We can speak freely.
And they're the ones who control the vote count in America.
Well, they own the count.
This perpetuates the illusion of a two-party system, which there is none.
There is none.
No, it's one party.
It's called Indispensable Enemies, and they pretend that they're too...
Oh, I forgot.
The head of the Democratic National Committee was there, Kirk, and the head of the Republican National Committee, Ferencal.
We're meeting together in the same room plotting when we print the transcript of the meeting.
The things that we did, I mean, in the back of the tape, there's a sniper's nest in Dallas.
The Watergate was never bugged.
It was a third-degree burglary, but it was never bugged.
That's why Woodward and Bernstein never won the Pulitzer Prize.
All right, because the media knew it was never bugged.
It was a war between Richard Nixon and Catherine Graham over her television license in Miami for rigging the elections there, and Nixon was going to get her.
So she had to get him a federal offense, so they pretended there was a bug, and that whole story is documented in FBI files in the book.
If nothing else comes of this but that, then we're on to something.
unidentified
Well, you and I have a rendezvous with Destiny after these elections because I want everybody to call me at Victoria House Press in New York City with their video.
Okay, then how do people of my statue, who has no secret friends, get to see these movies, like these people who get, they pay anywhere from five to ten dollars and go into the theater and see them?
That doesn't.
I'm talking about the same time of the.
At the same time, the critics are watching them because they get.
I want to do it legally really yes, you got false credentials showing you to be Siskel and Ebert's brother or something, and I don't know sir, I don't know.
unidentified
Well, when you find out, would you please announce it?
Yeah, I've got a good friend in Hollywood, a secret friend, whose identity I protect carefully, and he provides me with scripts, which is, as you well know, I don't give away.
I never give away movies on the air.
I could have.
I, I knew about ID4 a month and a half ago.
Have I said anything?
No, so I protect my sources.
Some guy called up last night said I'm gonna get him fired.
A lot of people got to see it because we knew exactly when it was coming in, and we had everybody run outside, and so a lot of people saw it was really cool.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hello, my God.
I'm always on the cutting edge through my whole life.
The only time I ever got you before was almost at closing time in the morning.
Hi, sir.
It's such a delight to talk to you after trying for weeks and weeks of getting in contact with you.
And I'd like to say to you that many of the things that you stand for, that you believed in, and now that you've got your kingdom of people listening to you, I want you to consider for a minute of the many, many people who have felt like you all their lives have been institutionalized, looked on with raised eyebrows, called queers, nerds, and everything else, and never have been able to get the belief system that you have got now that is just remarkable.
And we're all in awe of the ability that you've had to come to your pinnacle, where we all are still the submerged people, probably some of those that don't vote, because, see, with your program tonight about fixed voting and all that, many of us don't vote because we believed a long time ago that the system was a fake.
You see, so many of us who do not take part of the general activity of people in the United States have already lost faith.
Sometimes we're speechless when we talk to you, you know.
And anyway, I've always had this crazy idea that there is a very advanced civilization within the core of the earth, and that's how they throw out their excrement, which is usually, what is it, pure protein or pure.
I was ready to ask him about the Russian elections.
Somehow I got, we got ran out of time or something, but he apparently believes the, and so do a lot of other people, that the Russian elections were rigged.
All of the rare metals people, all of the scientists, everybody who's looked at it on the webpage, and they've been pointing scientists to the webpage, all of the testing they have done, there is nothing like what we've got.
And I look around, and yeah, there's all this stuff going on in the world, but you compare it to World War I or World War II, you know, the human catastrophe is nowhere near that level.
Well, I mean, what would you do if you looked down in the middle of the night, you woke up in your bed and you looked down and there was some horrible-looking, deformed, mangled, ecologically screwed-up creature at the foot of the bed telling you to come along, it's your turn.
Tony, you know, when you go to Russia, they make you take three Visa pictures.
Not two, like any other normal country in the world, but three.
You know what I've got?
A very good old friend of mine who used to call the program many, many years ago, that many of you who have listened to this program for a long time will remember.
His name was Tom, and he called from Mount Shasta.
Tom has passed away.
He was a good friend.
Tom worked in Army intelligence, and he had a lot of good old-type buddies in intelligence.
And one day, Tom called me up and said, Art, I want you to send me a picture of yourself and your wife.
I didn't know why.
Sent them off, as requested, and passport-type pictures.
And you know what I got back?
I got KGB IDs.
Real, honest God.
Somehow, our intelligence community got these KGB IDs.
I mean, real KGB IDs, blank.
And so he took the photographs and sent them off to whoever it was, his buddy in intelligence.
And what came back to me were these real KGB IDs.
I've got them.
And I don't know what to do with them.
I don't have the slightest idea what to do with them.
And I was wondering whether it would be a good idea to take them along with me into Russia when I go.
Somehow, I don't think so.
But it sure would be fun.
Wouldn't it whip that sucker out on a Russian, you know?
Get away from me, sucker.
Look at this.
I'd be in jail forever over there.
So would my wife.
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This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
To Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 3rd, 1996.
been a while since uh i've listened to you i know you're you you said you've i gotta turn your got the radio on Oh, now, say, you've got to turn your radio off.
I often get frustrated at an election year and wish Congress would go home and stay there for six months or so.
They pass all these dumb laws.
But I was thinking this morning, had they not survived what was apparently a very hot and humid summer in Philadelphia, we wouldn't be celebrating today.
Well, I'm going to modify the usual honors this morning.
And instead of saying goodnight, America, I thought it might be appropriate for you to say something like, hey, from New Orleans, happy birthday, America.
How about that?
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From New Orleans, the home of the best food in the world.