Art Bell highlights the Viper Militia’s Phoenix-based terror plot—400 lbs of ammonium nitrate and automatic weapons targeting federal buildings—warning such actions risk domestic escalation like Bosnia. Callers debate militia legitimacy, government overreach (e.g., Mesa’s July 1st smoking ban, $200 fines for repeat offenses), and environmental anomalies like vanishing honeybees. A Texas caller jokes about Iran-Iraq confusion, while a Phoenix National Guard member condemns militias’ violent shift from community service. Bell mocks "Nazi-like" restrictions but leans into Second Amendment defense, praising Oregon’s July 1st instant gun checks. The episode underscores growing societal distrust and fringe theories amid political polarization, from militia threats to conspiracy-driven media narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
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Good morning, as the case may be, across this great land and all these time zones, from the Keeping Hawaiian Island chains, eastward across my own country, all the west to the Caribbean.
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Down into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
And I should begin by liking, hoping to, in fact, welcoming WELIAM in New Haven, Connecticut.
Authorities say a Phoenix group planned to launch terrorist attacks against multiple targets.
They had a list.
The ATF top of the list, followed by the FBI, the IRS, the INS, which would be immigration, social security, and the National Guard Armory.
The ATF sealed off a Phoenix neighborhood today, arrested 12 members of that group on a seven-count federal indictment, recovered automatic weapons, 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate, the same stuff that was used to take down the Murray Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
The group had produced a video.
The feds have got it.
On the video, it shows you where to place and how to place explosives on the various buildings I mentioned in order to most easily bring them down.
The age group, 21 to 50 years of age, trained, we are told, in the Arizona desert, blowing up bombs, practicing bombing.
Federal authorities say they believe this group has a loose connection to other militia groups.
And so you tell me, what is it we've got here?
This militia group, that group, whatever.
This is a group of people who planned an armed, who wanted an armed revolution against our government.
Right?
I mean, with automatic weapons and the decision apparently already made, training underway to blow up buildings, U.S. government buildings.
You tell me what we've got here.
Do you know what I want to ask you?
Do these people represent you?
If there was some sort of revolution to begin in this country, what side would you be on?
Are you ready to go kill people and blow up things?
Because that's what you use automatic weapons and ammonium nitrate for, killing people and blowing up things.
I just don't believe that the average American person is at all prepared to do this.
And those militias that are considering doing this sort of thing had better consider that no small armed radical group of people is ever able to take over anything that the majority or the great body of the American people are not prepared to support.
In other words, they're going to be nothing short of terrorists.
They're not patriots.
They're terrorists.
If the majority of the American people were ready for a revolution, then a small, determined fringe element group might have a chance because there would be support.
But I know damn well there is not.
There's a small group out there, and as I've told you many times before, I get their faxes.
Anybody connected with these various networks, fax networks, can't avoid them.
You know, the boogeymen are going to come marching in in their black uniforms, in their black helicopters, and they're going to take us over and throw us into concentration camps or bend our minds or do whatever they're going to do.
That kind of thinking is what leads to this kind of action or planned action.
So I would imagine the people in Phoenix have a lot to think about this morning.
all of us have a lot to think about this morning or is is is it Do you think it's time for this?
For the bullets to fly and the bombs to go boom?
You want this place to end up like Beirut?
Where you've got to run through the streets dodging bullets?
Is that the kind of America people want out there?
That's where it's going to lead.
It's very serious.
Saudi Arabia.
The explosion there, boy, that looked hauntingly like the Mara Federal Building, didn't it?
President Clinton has appointed a retired Special Forces Army General to assess security worldwide.
Our troops in Saudi Arabia are described as angry and very nervous.
Now, it was well established over the weekend in a pathetic kind of way that the Saudis had denied the Americans, I said denied the Americans' request to move the security fence from 100 feet to about 400 feet, which of course now is being done after the fact.
But we had requested this, apparently, to be done.
We had requested this to be done some time ago, and they refused.
Now, every Sunday show from Meet the Press to Brinkley questioned Secretary Perry, who was on an aircraft carrier, about exactly this, directly.
Mr. Perry, Secretary Perry, is it true that the Saudis refused our request to broaden the security fence?
He wouldn't answer.
He just flat wouldn't answer.
sat there and talked about everything but they would directly ask him and he wouldn't answer So a lot of people are very angry at Secretary Barriens, think that he ought to resign and maybe he ought to.
Do you want some political dancer as your Secretary of Defense?
I know the relationship between the Saudis and the Americans is very delicate.
And that's probably why he was giving the non-answer.
But he's our Secretary of Defense.
Those are our, we're our GIs.
I don't expect this kind of treatment from my own Secretary of Defense, and as far as I'm concerned, he ought to resign.
A lot of calls for his resignation.
You know, there was another bomb that went off in Saudi Arabia, and before the U.S. could interrogate those who were charged with that bombing, the Saudis put their necks in a guillotine and chopped their heads off, one, two, three, four of them.
So I was pretty angry, I must say, at Secretary Perry.
And I wonder how you reacted when you heard it.
I mean, it's been verified.
So he just wouldn't answer the question.
That's all.
Last week, we talked about something that I've done a lot of thinking about, and I think that I've answered my own question now.
And I was ruminating last week about why the NBC Wall Street Journal poll said, and there have been backup polls to this now, by the way, if you don't want to believe it, fine.
But about 68% of the American people think the White House was up to no good in the FBI files case.
That's almost 7 out of 10.
To me, that is amazing because the FBI files thing is very serious.
In other words, they were using FBI files for political witch hunting.
That's what the American people said they believed in that poll.
And yet, even today, the president in the latest poll maintains a 15-point lead over Dole.
And I think I now know why the FBI files thing has not resonated with the American people.
It's because, to some degree, the Republican Party, in its desperate dislike of Bill Clinton, has cried wolf one too many times.
In other words, Whitewater, let's look at it, okay?
Let's remember now back from when the president first took office until now.
Whitewater hasn't reached the president, probably is not going to reach the president, may or may not reach the first lady, but in other words, hasn't gone anywhere really yet to the White House.
Draft dodging, the American people looked at what the president did, heard all the evidence, and basically said, so what?
Paula Jones?
The president might be in trouble there, but his attorneys have apparently successfully put off the Paula Jones business until after the election.
Marital infidelities?
Big brew ha ha, but explained away on 60 minutes and basically accepted by the public.
After all, they did elect President Clinton, right?
Drug use?
He never inhaled, remember?
So the public never stoned him.
Travelgate?
Again, a big deal.
Lots of big deals here.
Proved cronyism may yet go somewhere, but it hasn't gone anywhere yet.
Mrs. Clinton's New Age dalliance.
Not a make or a break story, period.
The latest revelations in the Aldridge book about President Clinton's supposed midnight trysts?
Who knows?
So it has been a litany of one thing after another.
The Republican Party has pounded at the president as though we're going to get you on whitewater, draft dodging, Paula Jones, marital infidelities, drug use, travel gate, new age stuff, midnight meetings.
Well, none of it had legs, at least not yet.
It's not to say it won't, but it has not yet.
So, in a way, the Republican Party is the party that cried woof.
And I think, I think that that's why Filegate, which is really serious, is being treated by the American public as just one more of the above.
They don't see the serious aspect to this.
You know, the fact that this is a true, honest, god-awful breach of privacy.
Big brother time.
Really is.
But the American people, by now, are numb.
They're numb with all of this.
And it's like they've thrown a switch and they're not hearing it.
And that's what happens when you cry, wolf.
Finally, people turn you off.
They don't listen anymore.
And I think that's what's happened here.
Now, there are some in Washington who are saying all of this will slowly get bigger and bigger, and there will be a critical point of the mass when the American public will say that's it.
No more Clinton.
But I don't think so.
I'm not a believer in that.
I think that the proof so far is that we have, if anything, caused the American people to become numb on the subject.
So that's my take on it, and I'd be interested to see what you think.
But I tried to figure that out last week.
Couldn't figure out why the American people were not getting upset.
Now I think I know why.
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tonight featuring coast to coast a m from the first of july nineteen ninety six By the way, Birkland's right on the money, Jim Birkland.
There was a 3.5 earthquake near the Bay Area on the San Andreas Fault.
That is within his range and time.
There was, I think, a 3.0 shaker in Washington.
That may not quite make the magnitude range he talked about.
But we remain dead in the window, the earthquake window that he talked about.
Margot Hemingway found dead.
God, this is sad.
Actress model Margot Hemingway, the granddaughter of the late Nobel Prize-winning novelist Ernest Hemingway, a truly beautiful woman, was found dead Monday inside her Santa Monica home.
The badly decomposed body of the 41-year-old Hemingway, discovered after friends called police saying they were worried because they hadn't seen her since last Friday.
Cause of death unknown.
Boy, that's weird.
Margot Hemingway dead.
And a mystery at that.
Bob Woodward on the Sunday shows, on Meet the Press, has written a book called The Choice.
And in it, he portrays both Bob Dole and Bill Clinton.
And it was interesting the way he said he went after this story.
He looked at the way both men, Dole and Clinton, when it comes down to crunch time, make decisions.
And he portrays Bob Dole as what I'm sure he is, a decent person who, in fact, has a center but cannot articulate it.
That's what I think too.
There's got to be more to Bob Dole than a lot of people believe.
And I'm one of them.
There's got to be more to this guy.
I want to interview Bob Dole.
Somebody like me has got to do it.
We've got to do it.
We've got to get Bob Dole.
And I don't mean in a 15-minute sit-down, answer all the important questions, kind of meet the press interview.
I mean a sit-down, let's meet Bob Dole.
Let him sit at home on the telephone, wherever he is.
He can, I hereby invite him.
I've done it.
And I will give him a good and fair interview.
And I will try to find out about Bob Dole, the man, because the American people, I'm telling you, are not going to get engaged.
They're not going to get excited.
And they're sure not going to vote for Bob Dole until he tells us what he is about, what he wants to do as president.
In other words, I know that old stupid thing, his vision.
He has a hard time talking about that kind of stuff.
And the only way you're going to get to it is in an extended, nice, relaxed interview in which you get to really probe the man.
Not batter him with questions.
You can see that done on the Sunday shows or on the evening news.
But try to find out about who we're dealing with here, because he always talks about Bob Dole in a detached way.
Bob Dole is going to do this, or Bob Dole believes that.
You never hear a, here's what I'm about, folks.
Here I am.
Here's what I believe.
Here are my firm Foundations in belief, and here's how I make my decisions.
You never hear that kind of interview from Bob Dole.
And so somebody's got to do it, and I would love to do it.
If I don't, then it ought to be Rush or somebody who will give him a good national forum and just let the American people meet the guy.
Does that make any sense to you?
It sure does to me.
Anyway, if Clinton, Mr. Woodward suggests that Mr. Clinton has grown in office, but complained that the Clintons, whether or not they are guilty of anything, consistently act as though they've just been,
you know, the kid who you just caught with their finger in the cookie jar, and you can see they know they've been caught, and they've got a sinking feeling in the gut of their pit of their stomach, gut of their belly, whatever, and they've got that sort of thunderstruck look on their face.
And it is true of the Clintons, and that's why a lot of people suspect them, because they look guilty.
What is it?
Something about never let them see you sweat.
We'll be right back.
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This just came rolling in from Tom in Columbia, Missouri.
Art, you may not agree, but I made this little poster for my measly contribution to the campaign.
Mind you, my biggest driving force is, quote, get Clinton out of here, end quote.
Dole's lack of vision or not.
Sheesh.
Well, Tom, your intense dislike of Bill Clinton and slogans like, get him out of here, no matter what, no matter who the other guy is, that is not going to work.
It's like this radio program.
I'm not fool enough to come on here when I try to sell you a product or a service, you know, one of our advertisers, I don't come on here and say, hey folks, save the Art Bell Show.
Support the Art Bell Show.
Patronize my sponsors.
There's about as much chance that you're going to go out and patronize anybody because I ask you to because you like me as the man in the moon.
That's not the way you sell anybody anything.
You sell people things by telling them why they need them.
You sell people things by explaining how cool they are, why they are better than other things, why it's big value for the dollar.
Any one of those things are valid ways to go and sell people.
You sell people on why they should want or need this item.
But you don't sell them by saying, simply, go out and save the Art Bell Show.
Buy this.
That's not going to sell anything.
nobody but a fool go out and buy something for that reason they buy things That's a bunch of bull.
People don't buy America.
When they go out and spend, what do you spend today?
Upwards of 20 grand for a car?
15, 20 grand, whatever?
You go out and get the best bang for your buck.
Whether it's Japanese, Indonesian, Chinese, Russian, or Swiss, or German, you go buy the best thing you can find for the money.
That's what you do.
That's what everybody does.
Now, they might say otherwise, but that is in fact with their dollar what they do.
And that was proven time and time again back during the gas crunch when Detroit had forgotten that they needed to meet the needs of the people they served and Japan remembered it.
Of course, now things have changed, but I just give that to you as an illustration.
So with regard to Bob Dole, you're not going to sell Bob Dole by saying, I don't like Clinton.
You know, I don't like Clinton.
There's got to be more.
There's got to be more to Bob Dole, and we've got to get to it, and we've got to get it to the American people, or there is no chance, I repeat, no chance that Bob Dole is going to win this election.
Period.
That's how serious it is.
So anyway, I've got a lot more, but I guess I'm out of time and soapbox, so I'll just go to the phones and we'll kind of drop some of the rest of this in as we go.
Russian elections are coming up.
China is going to take back Hong Kong in exactly one year.
And that is a very interesting story.
They're reviewing the military's gay policy.
There's a big story about food.
I'll try to get to that as we go on.
But for now, to the phones, anything you want to talk about is fair game.
I mean, there have been the Larry Nichols and people like that who have been on battering, battering, battering, battering with seemingly important, big-breaking stories that go absolutely nowhere.
And after a while, the American people get sort of glassy-eyed and they get filled to the brim and they just can't take anymore.
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And so when something finally comes along that really does count, they go, oh, well, I agree, but it's a known fact even today that the registered Democrats outnumber the registered Republicans.
And with the majority of the people out there being registered Democrats, and you have this constant pounding, it's kind of an us-against them kind of scenario.
And I think my own personal opinion, I think the political parties have worn out their effectiveness in this country.
I think it's kind of so much us against them mentality.
Because then you've got, for example, Italy, where they've got, I mean, any candidate basically is going to have a set of beliefs, and then a party or supporters will form behind that candidate.
So what you're really asking is, could we survive, or would it be good if we had many parties?
Because that's what you'd have, and that's what they've got in Italy, and that isn't too good either.
unidentified
Well, then, how could you do away with the hierarchy that goes on in Washington, both on the Democratic side and the Republican side, where you have a leader, and the freshman congressmen and senators are expected to follow that leader?
I mean, that doesn't bode well either.
I mean, that's the party going to its ultimate end.
Yeah, like I said last time I called you, Bill Clinton is getting harangued and harassed by the Republican Party, and I think the American people realize that.
The Republicans are looking like a bunch of desperate people.
Well, they have sounded a little that way over the last couple of years.
And I went through the litany of things, and I understand the Republicans desperately dislike Bill Clinton, but there's been an error made here.
And that is, again, that in doing so much, all the time, this constant pounding, when something really serious does come along, people just don't grasp it.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
I remember when Bill Clinton was, before he even got nominated, he was heard to be a favorite of the Democratic Party.
There were people at my job at the time, hardcore Republicans here in Texas, who were already digging up the dirt, bringing out the political jokes.
I mean, it was highly organized.
They were already berating the man.
And I feel sorry for him.
I really do.
I think that's why Colin Powell didn't want to run.
Your life is reduced to a constant hounding.
Everybody's investigating in every corner of your life.
He's going to have to get that kind of exposure, and I would be more than happy to provide it.
I do that kind of interview, as you know.
And I'm of the belief when you interview somebody, if you're going to come at them like a cement mixer in the night and run them over, you're not going to find out what they're all about.
The only way you do that is to sort of meet them at the level they wish to be met and try to find out about them.
Then you get a good interview.
At least that's the way I like to do it.
And so I think I'd be a good one to interview Bob Dole and find out about the man and about the core beliefs.
With Ronald Reagan, that was always very obvious.
And whether you liked or disliked Ronald Reagan, you knew what he believed.
And you knew why he believed it.
And so when he was going to make a decision, you could almost know exactly what it would be because you knew what he believed.
And we need to find out what it is that Bob Dole believes.
And that could be done in not a short interview, but an extended opportunity to just sit down and, in effect, talk with the American people.
Does that make sense to you?
It does to me.
That is exactly what I told his headquarters.
I faxed them things about the network and how many affiliates and how I felt about interviewing Bob Dole.
I don't know if you got it about the American distrust of the Republican Party, which I think is the big issue that you're kind of avoiding when you talk about what's wrong with the American people.
Well, last week, I was in the middle of trying to figure out why the American people felt that the Clinton administration had done this thing were wrong and yet still supported Bill Clinton by 17 percentage points.
That has dropped to 15.
But it's still incredible.
unidentified
Well, it is incredible, but at the same time, you have to think about the Republican Party record.
I mean, you have to think about the prosecutor of Whitewater is Al D'Amato, who is not the cleanest politician around.
But the American people are just, they have stopped listening.
That's, I think, what's happened.
There has been such a consistent pounding over things that, oh, over allegations and things that really ended up going nowhere that they've just stopped listening.
That's all.
unidentified
Am I wrong?
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Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
And the communication between the Saudis and our military.
I'm getting you, by the way, on K-News here in Yucca Valley.
Yes, sir.
Mutual carried an item just before you came on the air where the general or the ranking officer for the military there in Saudi Arabia had not mentioned anything to his superiors about the problem associated with moving those barriers further out.
So I'm wondering whether Perry even knew anything about the fact that we had, through our military, requested the barriers to the future.
Well, look, sir, yes, he did because he would not answer the question.
Now, if, in fact, he had a lack of knowledge about that subject or had never heard it, then he would have easily come back and said, oh, no, no, there was nothing like that.
The cooperation between the U.S. and the Saudis has been ideal.
That's what he would have said.
Instead, he did the biggest tap dance I've ever seen in my whole life around the whole question, refusing to answer it.
unidentified
Well, that's a possibility, all right, but I don't know.
And I worked for a private concern, but I was at the Riyadh Airport, King Khaled International Airport in Riyadh.
And I worked there in management.
I was responsible for helping to bring the new airport online in 1983.
And then helping to train Saudis.
The only thing I'm trying to say here, to make a long story short, is the Saudis are very, very intent on not wanting to be controlled by outside forces.
As a matter of fact, that's one of the main motives for the bombing.
That we are contaminating their social structure there.
You know, the women are beginning to get uppity and wanting to drive cars and do things like that, all since we arrived.
So that is true.
But it does not bear on Secretary Perry's evasive biomission lie with regard to the request for increased security and a denial of that request by the Saudis.
And I've never seen such political tap-dance in my whole life.
That's our Secretary of Defense.
And I expect him to some degree to be separated by politics from politics, though I know it's too much to hope for.
And tell us the truth when it has to do with the death of American GIs.
Is that too much to ask?
On the wildcard line, you're on the air, coast to coast, a.m. with Art Bell.
All right, and so from outside the U.S., What can you tell us about?
unidentified
Well, I'm a stock market buff.
I have been for a long time, long before most people recognized it was a place to be.
But the stock market is a barometer of good feelings for the people in general, and I think it's a collective psychosis kind of thing.
And those good feelings are translated into it's okay.
But when things turn bad, when the stock market eventually turns down, which it probably will do fairly soon, those good feelings will evaporate very fast.
And the American people will then start to blame their leader for it.
And it doesn't matter who they are, whether they're Republicans or Democrats.
They're allowing themselves a free lunch, I think, in ignoring the kind of integrity misadventures of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton.
As long as things are going well, money's in the pocket, people have jobs, the market is booming, things are going well, people just aren't going to pay attention.
That's another factor and another reason this may not be resonating with the American people.
But frankly, it's more than that.
I mean, look at Nixon.
Things were winding down.
The war was ending.
And things basically were on their way back to normal.
And yet, Watergate did resonate, didn't it?
Hard.
Well, that hasn't happened with Filegate.
Not yet.
Anyway.
And the reason is because the American people have had their heads pounded into the sidewalk, yes, by some and talk radio, by the press, by the people who just plain don't like Bill Clinton.
And there have been so many times that the conservatives, in my opinion, have basically cried wolf, that the American people are just sort of yawning and not paying attention right now.
And maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't think so.
I don't think so.
So in a kind of a strange way, the continuing pounding from the right on Clinton is now, it's gone so far that it's actually helping Clinton.
That's what I believe.
At any rate, we're going to break here at the top of the hour.
And you think that over.
And you try and figure out for yourself whether that is right or wrong.
And I would like to hear from you.
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You know, I agree with you, the crying wolf, but I think there might be a deeper thing here we might be overlooking, and that's that the way the moral degeneration here in America is taking place, it's almost as though folks feel it's a stamp of approval for their devious methods.
In other words, if the leader of the country gets away with an affair or cheats in business, it's almost like a stamp of approval for you.
I'm getting reports all the time regarding animals that have been attacked, and sure, it's ongoing.
unidentified
Well, I hadn't really been able to listen to your Dreamland show or anything like this if I've been working a lot there, but I wanted to ask you about the 50-herdian thing.
What is non-farcical is that there are thousands of dead animals.
And the way they've been killed is not consistent with any predator that we know of, including the vampire bat, which bites its victims and then laps up the blood.
It does not suck the blood from its victims.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
But, you know, we're finding cows up here mutilated, and they think it's the cults, the devil worshipers, and stuff like that.
Well, I don't know about stealth, but I suspect it's possible that one of these new generation craft that can go 15 times the speed of sound or whatever it is, it might be one of those, sir.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
And I believe it's something that is not easily detected by radar and x-rays because bismuth is used in making shot for waterfowl hunting because it's non-toxic.
I know that it is next to lead on the elemental scale.
That's correct.
And also, I'm told that bismuth may be around element 115, people are thinking.
Now, it's lower on the element scale, and there's something about, you know, I am not a physicist, all right, but I'm listening to the reports that I'm getting from those who are, and what we've got is a layered bismuth magnesium piece, about at least 20 layers, I guess.
You'd have to count them.
I think they have.
And they're doing all sorts of tests, which I really can't talk about right now.
But this particular piece of metal is so exotic that no exotic metals manufacturer knows about it, knows whether it can be made, or ever has been made.
They know nothing.
We have gone to some of the best physicists in the country, and they're throwing up their hands.
They believe this may be some sort of power-gathering material that might have indeed been on the outside of a craft of some kind.
There are certain anti-gravitic elements to this.
I really, I just, I can't talk too much about it right now because there is some very, very important testing going on.
If it came down to it right now and people started across the country blowing up federal buildings and all that sort of thing, and I had to choose sides, right now, I'll tell you frankly and absolutely, I would be on the government side.
unidentified
I guarantee you, I'm armed and I would be right there at your shoulder, my friend.
And not because I'm not a patriot.
I believe I'm a patriot just as I believe you're a patriot.
That's right.
And Arnold, one other thing I'd like to ask your opinion on, and maybe give a brief comment in regard to this filegate situation.
You said earlier that you believe the American public's, all their recent decline of interest in its own political processes has been pretty much as a direct result of this President Clinton scandals and so forth.
And then, of course, the reason we got out of Vietnam was because it became such an unpopular war that we just, you know, the establishment really had no other choice.
And then there was the Watergate situation with Nixon.
And, of course, during the Reagan administration, we had a hint of the arms for hostages.
Crybabies, that's the same thing as saying crying wolf.
Same thing.
To some degree, there is validity to that charge.
You just can't keep making allegations.
I mean, there have been videotapes out there saying the president's deal in drugs.
President is a murderer, these sorts of things.
And I'll tell you something.
I'm beginning to come to the point of view that these things are actually helping Nixon.
They are Nixon.
Clinton.
There are so many of them, and they are so outrageous that when something really serious does come along, the American people just don't even pay attention.
Files?
FBI files in the White House?
You know, what's that?
So that's my take on it.
I've been trying to figure it out for about a week now.
And we'll roll over all this again probably in the next hour.
In the meantime, love to have your thinking on it.
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I say, have you heard, did you hear what Timothy McVay said when they asked him if talk radio had anything to do with his hate the government philosophy?
Do I think that talk radio has contributed to the numbing of America with regard to the Clinton administration?
Yes, I do.
Yes, I do.
And as you well know, I have not done a lot of it because I've looked at these various stories, and it has seemed to me that these are not things that are going to get a president impeached or even are going to, to a large degree, affect the public one way or the other.
So I have avoided the stories.
We deal with them, but I have not focused on them, let me put it that way, as so many talk shows have.
Now, the FBI file story, I think, is a big, important story.
And I think the reason we haven't had the reaction that we should have to it is because of this constant drumbeat of we hate the Clintons, and here's another thing that might get them out of office.
Well, these have not been things that are going to get them out of office.
They have been important questions, but I don't know.
Go through them.
Look at them yourself.
Whitewater hasn't reached the president.
May never.
The draft dodging?
People looked at that and said, so what?
Elected him anyway, right?
Paula Jones?
That has now successfully been put off until the election ends.
Marital infidelities, then and or now, depending on whether you believe the allegations.
How'd you like to have to dash down the streets of Milwaukee with bullets ricocheting off the side of the building as you and your family try to make it down to the grocery store or wherever you're going?
unidentified
Yes, but what I'm saying is our government's always going after the rightist groups, but never the leftist groups.
Because leftist groups thought that they're planning to overthrow the United States government, too.
Although they just did settle with them for, I think it was $1.3 million for the But I was simply responding to your statement that they never go after people on the left.
unidentified
What I'm saying is our media doesn't go after them as much as the citizens groups.
Ah, once we have you three times, Paul, you're a gone goose.
unidentified
It was only a second.
I understand.
I was thinking about these people that are all flipped out in the militia movement.
I hate to speak well of Rush Limbaugh, but one thing that he did do that was worthwhile was when he got all over the Clinton administration wanting to put this eavesdropping chip and everything electronic.
Well, for one thing, there's a big difference between a lot of times what people or Congress or even the President will say they want to do and what they actually do.
People get enraged over certain bills that are introduced, but there are about a gazillion bills every year that are introduced in Congress that are outrageous on their face, never are going to pass.
But they get people all exorcised, and they just never go through.
And there are a lot of things presidents say, particularly this president, that never happen.
So, you know, people ought to be careful about picking up fertilizer and making bombs and getting automatic weapons.
And they ought to be careful what they do, or we're going to end up with a country that's not going to be much fun to live in, I'll tell you that.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
I've just been amazed by the ability to do the wrong thing that the Clinton administration has such an absolute gift for.
And then when they are called on it, as the author over the weekend said, they also have this unique ability, whether or not they are guilty, to look guilty is sin.
unidentified
Yeah, they have an absolute rare gift for putting the worst face on everything.
And so in a weird kind of way, it has gone so far that it now has helped them.
It's kind of like what we were talking, I think I brought it up on Dreamland last night.
The Kennedy assassination.
I have long said nobody is ever going to know the real story behind the Kennedy assassination, are they?
If somebody were to have the absolute, unmitigated, God-given truth about the Kennedy assassination, they'd go in front of a podium, call a bunch of reporters, and say, here it is, the latest and the real thing on the Kennedy assassination.
Well, people would take it in, talk about it a little while, and pile it on top of the gigantic pile of theories about conspiracies regarding the Kennedy assassination.
So it's so convoluted by now, we would not know the truth if it bit us in the butt.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Oh, hi.
I just felt I had to respond to what everyone will probably be seeing by now and possibly in the future is a very poor image for the militia.
And I'm not a militia member.
Of course, some of us know the law.
Means it includes certain age brackets in Title X of the U.S. Code.
But the reason I'm calling is because the media has participated in the attempted vilification of the two Georgia militia members and Macon Telegraph.
Actually, as the Macon Telegraph reported on your May 7th issue, that BATF Special Agent Stephen Gillis admitted many different things that the BATF planted the bomb-making materials, the alleged illegal materials, on the property.
And even after 10 days, it was not tested to see what it was.
And he also admitted that they were legally obtainable.
And by the way, I have a videotape, if you're interested, of Nancy Lorde, who is representing them.
She came through Largo recently.
And by the way, this is Kristen's seminal I called last night also.
And she said that they went directly to this is another admission according to the Macon Telegraph.
They went directly to the bomb-making material buried on Bob Starr's property, and they didn't check anywhere else on his property afterwards.
Well, he had bomb-making classes, actually, it's my understanding, but he did not have any materials with him.
He only covered information.
And Jimmy McCraney is another one who I know less about, and the Macon Telegraph doesn't cover much about.
And also, I just felt I should call in also about bills that are introduced, and one that is a very overt threat is one that was introduced on April 24th, Senate Bill 1700.
It outlaws the use of body armor in the commission of a federal crime.
July 7th, Kurt Sutherly, author of Strange Encounters, UFOs, Aliens, and Monsters Among Us, is going to be our guest.
That's the next upcoming Dreamland.
July 14th, Stanton Friedman.
Really looking forward to Stanton being on the program.
July 21st, Konstantinos, author of Vampires, the Occult Truth.
Ooh.
Now that should be interesting.
Vampires.
I've wanted to talk about vampires for a long time.
Konstantinos, you don't suppose he's a vampire.
No, he's writing about vampires.
I would like to interview a vampire.
Maybe Konstantinos can get us one.
July 28th, tentatively, Dr. Michael Newton, author of Journey of Souls.
August 4th, 11th, and 18th.
You'd be surprised because I'm going to be in Europe.
Russia.
August 25th, Dan Wright, Project Manager of the Abduction Transcription Project for MUFON.
September 1st, Dr. Stephen Greer, founder and director of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or C SETI, founder and director of CSETI.
September 8th, Whitley Striber, author of Communion.
September 15th, Dr. Richard Boylan, author of Extraterrestrial Contacts and Human Responses.
Well, there's been articles in the Los Angeles Times, many of them, the San Diego Union Tribune, newspapers all across the West, so you must have just missed it.
unidentified
Well, I live in the Midwest East up in Indiana, so I don't get that.
But the safety thing that everybody's looking at, having gone to a Saudi school with the Saudis, not an American school, the way that the Saudis have believed for years is that ever since the Ottoman Turks and the Brits, everybody's been interposing on their lifestyle.
And my mother and father work in Saudi Arabia, and they've been there for 25 years.
My mom drives on the compound.
That's it.
Where the Saudi women started seeing American women driving was during Desert Storm.
We have integrated several societies, tried to go into their societies and to make them what we are.
It's not going to work with the Saudis.
And the sooner that our government figures out that human rights mean different things if you're from different cultures, and whether what we believe is correct or not, we're not going to change their concept of things.
Well, all right, but we have a national security interest and seeing to it that the oil that people like you go help them pump out of their ground continues to get to us.
So our presence is going to be continually required in that area of the world.
unidentified
Well, what you're looking at is one handful of people throughout the whole country.
I call them the mullahs.
My parents have a different name for them.
They're sort of like journeymen priests for the Islamic religion.
And they have been spouting the Iranian hardline.
And the Shiites have been trying to get into the Sunni religion for the last, and that's the two different sects of the Islamic religion.
And they have been trying for the last few years to get in there and subvert and get the Americans out because the Iranians want to be the superpower in the Fertile Crescent.
Sooner we figure it out and we say, okay, we're eventually going to go to war with Iran.
unidentified
That's correct.
And we're looking at it very soon considering that they're looking for missing nuclear weapons that may have shown up in Iran.
But to get to the Saudis and their execution recently of the guys that took out the complex and tried to take out the complex in Riyadh, the FBI actually helped find those individuals and did get to talk to them before they were executed.
And Perry definitely said they did not have a chance to interrogate those people.
So there's no way to even really know if we got the right people.
Now, maybe he lied.
I don't know.
I do know that when asked directly over the weekend about the U.S. having requested increased security barriers about 400 feet out that would have saved lives, the Saudis said no, and Perry wouldn't answer the question.
He flat wouldn't answer the question.
And I'll tell you, though I am sensitive to the delicate relationship between the Saudis and America right now, these were our troops, our people, our soldiers.
And I didn't appreciate Perry's lack of responsiveness to that question.
Sensitivity or not, he had a duty, in my opinion, to answer that question.
And if the realities, in fact, prevented us from expanding the security zone, then we've got a big problem.
And if our own Secretary of Defense refuses to tell us the truth, we've got an even bigger problem.
Yeah, I've got a very special friend in Hollywood, somebody I protect, because he sends me cool stuff.
Like he sent me the script from 7, the script from ID4.
And I just got a fact from him.
He said, Art, so in less than 24 hours, your mind will be reeling from the special effects that we in the industry love to share.
I can't wait for your show tomorrow night, your reactions, your insights.
Well, you won't get them because I'm not going to see it.
I know that it is to debut tomorrow.
I'll get the audience reactions to Independence Day, that's for sure.
He says, the rest of the week, rather, your show is going to be filled with the wonders that your listeners must share with the rest of the world, the feelings they'll attempt to describe.
Then he goes on, in a week or so, my dear friend, I will reveal to you before anybody else the powers, the mysticism, the frightening yet endearing magical truths to be shared worldwide in an up-and-coming definitive answer to your quickening, a film project that we will awaken, with which we will awaken the sleepers, centralize the guardians, and gather the magicians.
And he gives me the name of this motion picture, and I'm not going to share it at this time, but that's my connection in Hollywood.
Really nice guy.
Yeah, that's it.
ID4 comes out tomorrow, you know.
And I am looking forward to it.
No doubt about that.
unidentified
You are listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
The latest militia problem is a group, a cute little group called the Viper Militia.
Isn't that something?
Another militia problem, bigot.
Authorities say that a Phoenix group planned to launch terrorist attacks and blow up buildings.
The ATF building, FBI, IRS, INS, Social Security, and National Guard, the armory.
The ATF, so finally the ATF sealed off a Phoenix neighborhood and with a seven-count federal indictment, went and recovered automatic weapons, 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate, the same thing that brought down the Murray Federal Building.
The group had produced a videotape showing how you do this, where you place explosives on these Phoenix buildings to bring them down.
They range in age from 21 to 50.
Trained in the desert there, the Arizona desert, blowing up bombs.
Federal authorities say they believe there is a loose connection between this militia and other militia groups.
And so here we go again.
Any comments?
If it ever does get going, it'll be just like Bosnia here.
It will not be just rosy, where you try to run around the streets of Phoenix or whatever other city, dodging bullets, the police, the military fighting people who are trying to blow things up.
Saudi Arabia, the big brouhaha over the weekend, really over Secretary Perry, interviewed from onboard an aircraft carrier by the Sunday shows.
Wouldn't answer the question about whether or not the Saudis, in fact, We have evidence the Saudis did, in fact, turn down our request to increase the security range.
Saudis said no.
They're doing it now, of course.
But they said no.
And they asked Perry that, and he wouldn't answer the question.
He sat there and talked all around it, wouldn't answer the question.
A lot of people so angry they're calling for his resignation, and I am one of them.
What a jerk.
Then last week, you'll recall, I was agonizing over what in the world is going on with the American people that they don't consider this file gate thing that it has not got them going.
Couldn't figure it out last week.
This week, I've got it.
I know why.
The answers to that question are many.
But the biggest portion of the answer, I believe, lies in the party that cried wolf, the Republican Party.
There has been a consistent battering on talk radio and elsewhere of this administration for too many things that went nowhere.
Whether or not they were true, whether or not they ultimately go anywhere, I don't know.
But so far they have gone not to the president, Whitewater, the draft dodging, Paula Jones, marital infidelities, drug use, travel gate, Mrs. Clinton's New Age business.
And really, we could go on and on and on.
All of these things that the Clinton administration has been getting battered for, and the American people finally have sort of had it up to here.
And they sound serious, the American public gets engaged, and then they don't go anywhere.
So when you finally get something that really is important, like a very serious violation of Americans' privacy, the American people go, oh, well, it's just one more.
So there you are.
Here is a story, by the way, just came in.
Washington.
While some believe the character issue is a ticking time bomb for President Clinton, voters continue to shrug off the various scandals, impugning his integrity, according to a new poll.
This is brand new.
The same day that Clinton's personnel security chief resigned for improperly obtaining about 700, or is it 900 now files, a new NBC Wall Street Journal poll found that Clinton's lead over presumptive GOP nominee Bob Dole was holding steady at 17 points.
Other surveys have shown it now down to about 15 points.
So nothing has really changed, and it is now thought that the two-point drop is going to be recovered by the president.
And there would have been a day I'd have said, no way.
That is not this day.
I think it probably will be.
So there you have it.
I've got a lot of other things I would like to get on the air.
Here's somebody who sent me the top 10 list, the top 10 things, revealed and to be yet revealed from FileGate.
10.
Everybody blames the dead guy.
9.
It is learned at the White House that nobody knows who hired who, except for Hillary, who believes the voters hired her as president.
8.
The White House denies any security breach from the SNAFU.
Only authorized interns and their immediate, close, immediate families had access to these files.
7.
Craig Livingstone is offered a job by Tonya Harding as head of security.
It is reported that Tonya hired Mr. Livingstone because he looks just like the old guy she had.
He does a little, doesn't he?
Mr. Marcika is Gorbachev's brother.
The Secret Service will be commended for their up-to-date security lists.
As proof, the Secret Service shows how quickly names like Vince Foster and Ron Brown were deleted in a timely manner.
Eleanor Roosevelt's fingerprints are found all over the Republican files.
The files down in the basement were never read.
They were only used to create giant coke lines on the adjacent copier glass.
Tape recordings will be subpoenaed from the White House Counsel's office.
However, when played, key parts have been recorded over with someone playing the saxophone.
And number one, from behind bars, Mrs. Clinton is read the oath of office by Chief Justice Rehnquist.
For you personally, and that is exactly why I live where I live.
When I go outside, I could walk out there right now, and with the air the way it is out here in the desert and the lack of humidity and the fact that we don't have pollution, I can look up and I can see things, a sky that you, most of you in the city, have forgotten even exists.
Even in Las Vegas, just over the hill from me, when you are in that valley and look up, you're lucky to see two or three on most nights of the brightest stars, and that's it.
Here where I am, you look up and you see this great, foggy, cloudy, milky way.
And it extends from one side of the sky to the other.
And you see so many stars that it kind of gives you a different outlook on things.
And that's why I'm where I am.
And you walk out there and you can't hear anything.
It is dead quiet.
And so from a personal point of view, this is how I keep my center.
And this is how, depressed or angry as I may get at anything, it resets me.
And you've got to be able to do that to do this job over an extended period.
It was a complete and absolute shock to hear what had happened today, knowing that just right here in my own backyard, I got a militia that's wanting to blow up federal buildings.
You don't think the people there in Phoenix, of course, I guess it was all quiet, so they had no way of knowing it was going to come, but I bet it was a big surprise.
unidentified
Yeah, I was in the car when I heard it on the radio, and I was like, I just kind of pulled over, and I was thinking about it.
And it just, you know, like complete, absolute shock.
It was like getting hit in the head with a brick.
Well, how do you feel about it?
It makes me kind of nervous knowing that, you know, I've got two daughters, and it kind of makes me wonder, you know, I'm sitting here, I'm raising them in what kind of society.
I mean, everything's quickening, you know, as you've been teaching us and talking about for going on a very long time now.
I was just making a point in 92 when Clinton got elected.
A bunch of people, I was in Birmingham at the time, and we had a march for the pro-life and how they just laughed.
All the people were laughing at us because, hey, you guys, your cause is going away.
You might as well just forget it and play, you know.
And then when I moved back up here to New England, I met a lot of people my age that 92 were feeling very discouraged and talking about joining militia groups because of Clinton and them.
And just, it seemed like everything was just going apot.
It says when something to the effect that when the public is not allowed to speak their case as far as all this people being put down by the liberals and everything like that, you can't get your message out, then it comes out another way.
I've heard that story before, so I go get myself a little doll, and I come home, and some customs guy wraps it on the table, and white powder comes tumbling out, and I'm gone forever, and it's because of you.
unidentified
I'll buy a picture of a restroom there in the hotel.
And I sure hope that our country doesn't turn into a place that approximates Bosnia.
unidentified
Agreed.
And to be quite honest, I hope that they have the guts to go forth and charge these people under the Terrorism Act or the new laws that they passed on those.
Because I think that there's no way that anybody in their right mind, even themselves, could call themselves militia, just judging by the arsenal that they had.
I know I've got that one right, but I didn't know about Kearney.
Could have been Kearney.
But it's Kearney.
Okay.
Got that down, I guess.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art Bill in Phoenix.
Hello, Bill.
My own feeling on this Viper bit, I would rather sort of wait and see what the facts, even the facts as they come out in court, rather than make a judgment based on all the hype.
About six months ago, when the Freeman bit was coming down, they had another, I guess you'd say, raid on a so-called militia member and a Freeman that was stockpiling ammunition and arms and all that.
Yes, but in this particular case, sir, they have a videotape detailing exactly how to place the explosives and so forth to bring down buildings in your town.
unidentified
I'll tell you, using 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate to bring down the buildings mentioned is sort of like saying, let's take out an M1A1 tank with a .22.
Well, if you're saying that there would be a general collection effort and they'd be going around knocking on the door of everybody who owned a gun and taking them, is that what you're talking about?
Well, there are some things worth dying for, sir, and if they are going to truly subvert the Constitution on a national basis, then there is going to be a revolution.
unidentified
The military and other agencies like CIA, FBI, have think tanks where they go through what if, what if there was a war between a civil war between liberals and conservatives, or gun owners and non-gun owners.
The liberals who don't want any guns in the house, don't want us to have guns in our houses.
If there's a war between the liberals and the conservatives who have guns, the liberals will lose because they don't have any guns.
They don't have anything to shoot if there's any kind of revolution or civil war.
I think it's frightening, and I think that we're going to have to do something about it, or one day we are going to have an America that people just frankly don't believe can be.
They don't think it can happen here.
They're wrong.
It can.
unidentified
It can.
And parents and grandparents used to say, you know, in America's future, it's going to be tougher on our kids.
I mean, these militia groups, what they need is some good people.
Some of these real militia groups, if anybody's listening from a real militia group, you guys need to go out and educate the public in good things like CPR, first aid, get some good press.
About the only place you can smoke is in your home, which may be short-lived.
Only bars have an exception.
My idea is that if you cannot smoke in public, then how come the stores there sell cigarettes?
What do you do with them?
Well, I just got a call from somebody who lives in Mesa who said you can smoke.
Actually, you can walk down the sidewalk and smoke.
Is that true or not?
But you can't smoke in line.
Even if you're outside waiting to get into a restaurant or a movie or something like that, you're not allowed to smoke.
Even outside.
But I'm led to understand you can smoke on the sidewalk.
Is that true?
Or is that false?
I guess I'd better try to hear from some people in Mesa.
Let me hold open the line for Mesa.
I want to talk to Mesa.
Mesa people.
Is it true?
Can you or can you not go down the sidewalk and smoke?
Hmm?
Art, since I didn't catch the first two hours of your show tonight, I assumed you had probably already talked about the earthquake here in the Bay Area Sunday night.
You had a caller this last hour from San Rafael said he was still waiting for it.
In case you haven't heard, there was a 3.5 quake in Northern California Sunday at 9.33 p.m.
It was centered seven miles north-northwest of Pacifica in the San Andreas fracture area.
I believe this would be within the 70-mile radius of San Jose, as Mr. Birklund mentioned Friday night, Tim, in Foster City.
Oh, yes, indeed.
And I did talk about it, and yes, it is definitely a hit.
Well, it's my understanding that it is publicly restricted as far as on the street, anywhere but as the lady you just spoke to, in your house and in your car.
That's the understanding I have of the law that took effect as of July 1st.
The way I understand it from reading the paper and from listening to talk radio down here that you've got to be within, if you're within 15 feet of a public building, you can't smoke, which just covers the sidewalk.
They're going for soft enforcement now, warnings and such, at the moment.
KFYI has been making fun of Mesa all day long on the broadcast, no kidding.
Although the restaurants and bars will lose patrons, also bowling alleys and such, it does not matter to Mesa Dustapo.
They've already lost several conventions that have canceled.
We used to go to Mesa restaurants, but no more, of course.
Like any signs of Richard, too damn close to Mesa.
Oh, Mesa, what have you done?
Hello, Art.
Mesa lost two conventions months ago when they found out the ban advance.
The conventions were small, but indicative of things to come.
One was $24,000, the other $120,000.
Well, that's pretty big.
The weak-minded sheep support these bans because they like to impose their lifestyles on everybody else's freedom.
They will someday find out this was just a test on social manipulation.
For instance, how to control the minds of people.
Maybe divide this country by targeting and singling out lifestyles, then planting this seed of hate.
Through the government-run media.
What's next?
How about fat people buying fatty foods?
That's a good point.
Or maybe in Mesa, if you're too skinny, they will know that you're smoking and you will be under arrest because we all know that when people stop, they gain weight.
Listen, I'd really like to address, you know, the people that are beefing about smoking and all that.
I mean, we get forest fires.
We get a lot of things that contaminate, you know, one's body.
I really have a hard time understanding how they would actually care about that when we got bio, you know, the antibiotics are not working as good anymore.
well that would include the sidewalk in front of the building you know what i want to talk about it so then if you're why if you're walking along the sidewalk you are constantly walking in front of buildings well of course but You can't?
But again, I say, if you walk down the sidewalk in Mesa, in the city, and you're walking in front of public buildings, you're technically in violation of the law.
Well, how many feet from a public building must you be?
unidentified
Well, what the ordinance says is your outstanding areas where your smoking areas are, where if you and I were going to take a break, so we go outside and smoke, those no longer exist.
And to me, it does sound like if your X number of, in other words, if you're going along the sidewalk, you are consistently passing in front of public buildings.
And the law says within so many feet of a public building.
Oh, I'll tell you, it's going to be rough times in Mesa.
People hiding.
Smoke drifting out of unlikely places.
People who previously had been able to come out of their office building into the fresh air and smoke now can't.
Well, I suppose they'll get a taste of it, so to speak.
unidentified
Yeah.
And I think that a lot of the smokers that supported Nancy Reagan are going to start, well, they're going to start seeing that the ball they got started rolling is rolling back over them.
Yeah, you know, like hundreds of thousands, well, maybe hundreds of smokers lighting up, so to speak, in front of the police station and saying, we want to turn ourselves in.
As a pot smoker myself, but not ever a tobacco smoker, I can attest to the fact that your aim improves considerably after a couple of tokes.
You know, I don't know what it does after tobacco, but that guy had a good point.
And I think that, you know, smokers' rights people, no matter what they smoke, we can all sort of join hands and march arm in arm down the street to defeat the fascist police state.
Well, you know, remember, fascists are leftists, to defeat the fascist police state.
And hey, I'm also not surprised that this might have something to do with a religion, i.e.
the Mormons.
Think so?
This is the gist that I got, that, you know, the Mormons are no smoking, no drinking.