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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 1st, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening.
		Good morning, as the case may be, across this great land and all these time zones, from the Keeping Hawaiian Island chains, eastward across my own country, all the west to the Caribbean.
		U.S. Virgin Islands.
		Good morning, St. Thomas.
		Down into South America, north to the Pole, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Coast to Coast AM.
		And I should begin by liking, hoping to, in fact, welcoming WELIAM in New Haven, Connecticut.
		960 on the dial.
		And I rather imagine heard over a very wide area.
		So good morning.
		Live talk radio has arrived.
		Yes, we are live.
		No, this is not a tape repeat.
		Also, KGFWAM in Kearney, Nebraska.
		Kearney, Nebraska, welcome.
		Here we go again.
		The Viper Militia.
		Now there's a name for a militia.
		The Viper Militia.
unidentified		Viper is a snake, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another big militia problem.
		Authorities say a Phoenix group planned to launch terrorist attacks against multiple targets.
		They had a list.
		The ATF top of the list, followed by the FBI, the IRS, the INS, which would be immigration, social security, and the National Guard Armory.
		The ATF sealed off a Phoenix neighborhood today, arrested 12 members of that group on a seven-count federal indictment, recovered automatic weapons, 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate, the same stuff that was used to take down the Murray Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
		The group had produced a video.
		The feds have got it.
		On the video, it shows you where to place and how to place explosives on the various buildings I mentioned in order to most easily bring them down.
		The age group, 21 to 50 years of age, trained, we are told, in the Arizona desert, blowing up bombs, practicing bombing.
		Federal authorities say they believe this group has a loose connection to other militia groups.
		And so you tell me, what is it we've got here?
		This militia group, that group, whatever.
		This is a group of people who planned an armed, who wanted an armed revolution against our government.
		Right?
		I mean, with automatic weapons and the decision apparently already made, training underway to blow up buildings, U.S. government buildings.
		You tell me what we've got here.
		Do you know what I want to ask you?
		Do these people represent you?
		If there was some sort of revolution to begin in this country, what side would you be on?
		Are you ready to go kill people and blow up things?
		Because that's what you use automatic weapons and ammonium nitrate for, killing people and blowing up things.
		I just don't believe that the average American person is at all prepared to do this.
		And those militias that are considering doing this sort of thing had better consider that no small armed radical group of people is ever able to take over anything that the majority or the great body of the American people are not prepared to support.
		In other words, they're going to be nothing short of terrorists.
		They're not patriots.
		They're terrorists.
		If the majority of the American people were ready for a revolution, then a small, determined fringe element group might have a chance because there would be support.
		But I know damn well there is not.
		There's a small group out there, and as I've told you many times before, I get their faxes.
		Anybody connected with these various networks, fax networks, can't avoid them.
		You know, the boogeymen are going to come marching in in their black uniforms, in their black helicopters, and they're going to take us over and throw us into concentration camps or bend our minds or do whatever they're going to do.
		That kind of thinking is what leads to this kind of action or planned action.
		So I would imagine the people in Phoenix have a lot to think about this morning.
		all of us have a lot to think about this morning or is is is it Do you think it's time for this?
		For the bullets to fly and the bombs to go boom?
		You want this place to end up like Beirut?
		Where you've got to run through the streets dodging bullets?
		Is that the kind of America people want out there?
		That's where it's going to lead.
		It's very serious.
		Saudi Arabia.
		The explosion there, boy, that looked hauntingly like the Mara Federal Building, didn't it?
		President Clinton has appointed a retired Special Forces Army General to assess security worldwide.
		Our troops in Saudi Arabia are described as angry and very nervous.
		Now, it was well established over the weekend in a pathetic kind of way that the Saudis had denied the Americans, I said denied the Americans' request to move the security fence from 100 feet to about 400 feet, which of course now is being done after the fact.
		But we had requested this, apparently, to be done.
		We had requested this to be done some time ago, and they refused.
		Now, every Sunday show from Meet the Press to Brinkley questioned Secretary Perry, who was on an aircraft carrier, about exactly this, directly.
		Mr. Perry, Secretary Perry, is it true that the Saudis refused our request to broaden the security fence?
		He wouldn't answer.
		He just flat wouldn't answer.
		sat there and talked about everything but they would directly ask him and he wouldn't answer So a lot of people are very angry at Secretary Barriens, think that he ought to resign and maybe he ought to.
		Do you want some political dancer as your Secretary of Defense?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
		Or do you want the truth?
		I know the relationship between the Saudis and the Americans is very delicate.
		And that's probably why he was giving the non-answer.
		But he's our Secretary of Defense.
		Those are our, we're our GIs.
		I don't expect this kind of treatment from my own Secretary of Defense, and as far as I'm concerned, he ought to resign.
		A lot of calls for his resignation.
		You know, there was another bomb that went off in Saudi Arabia, and before the U.S. could interrogate those who were charged with that bombing, the Saudis put their necks in a guillotine and chopped their heads off, one, two, three, four of them.
		So I was pretty angry, I must say, at Secretary Perry.
		And I wonder how you reacted when you heard it.
		I mean, it's been verified.
		So he just wouldn't answer the question.
		That's all.
		Last week, we talked about something that I've done a lot of thinking about, and I think that I've answered my own question now.
		And I was ruminating last week about why the NBC Wall Street Journal poll said, and there have been backup polls to this now, by the way, if you don't want to believe it, fine.
		But about 68% of the American people think the White House was up to no good in the FBI files case.
		That's almost 7 out of 10.
		To me, that is amazing because the FBI files thing is very serious.
		In other words, they were using FBI files for political witch hunting.
		That's what the American people said they believed in that poll.
		And yet, even today, the president in the latest poll maintains a 15-point lead over Dole.
		And I think I now know why the FBI files thing has not resonated with the American people.
		It's because, to some degree, the Republican Party, in its desperate dislike of Bill Clinton, has cried wolf one too many times.
		In other words, Whitewater, let's look at it, okay?
		Let's remember now back from when the president first took office until now.
		Whitewater hasn't reached the president, probably is not going to reach the president, may or may not reach the first lady, but in other words, hasn't gone anywhere really yet to the White House.
		Draft dodging, the American people looked at what the president did, heard all the evidence, and basically said, so what?
		Paula Jones?
		The president might be in trouble there, but his attorneys have apparently successfully put off the Paula Jones business until after the election.
		Marital infidelities?
		Big brew ha ha, but explained away on 60 minutes and basically accepted by the public.
		After all, they did elect President Clinton, right?
		Drug use?
		He never inhaled, remember?
		So the public never stoned him.
		Travelgate?
		Again, a big deal.
		Lots of big deals here.
		Proved cronyism may yet go somewhere, but it hasn't gone anywhere yet.
		Mrs. Clinton's New Age dalliance.
		Not a make or a break story, period.
		The latest revelations in the Aldridge book about President Clinton's supposed midnight trysts?
		Who knows?
		So it has been a litany of one thing after another.
		The Republican Party has pounded at the president as though we're going to get you on whitewater, draft dodging, Paula Jones, marital infidelities, drug use, travel gate, new age stuff, midnight meetings.
		Well, none of it had legs, at least not yet.
		It's not to say it won't, but it has not yet.
		So, in a way, the Republican Party is the party that cried woof.
		And I think, I think that that's why Filegate, which is really serious, is being treated by the American public as just one more of the above.
		They don't see the serious aspect to this.
		You know, the fact that this is a true, honest, god-awful breach of privacy.
		Big brother time.
		Really is.
		But the American people, by now, are numb.
		They're numb with all of this.
		And it's like they've thrown a switch and they're not hearing it.
		And that's what happens when you cry, wolf.
		Finally, people turn you off.
		They don't listen anymore.
		And I think that's what's happened here.
		Now, there are some in Washington who are saying all of this will slowly get bigger and bigger, and there will be a critical point of the mass when the American public will say that's it.
		No more Clinton.
		But I don't think so.
	I'm not a believer in that.
	I think that the proof so far is that we have, if anything, caused the American people to become numb on the subject.
	So that's my take on it, and I'd be interested to see what you think.
	But I tried to figure that out last week.
	Couldn't figure out why the American people were not getting upset.
	Now I think I know why.
unidentified		Skiss you Thank you.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		tonight featuring coast to coast a m from the first of july nineteen ninety six By the way, Birkland's right on the money, Jim Birkland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know, he predicted quakes in California.
		There was a 3.5 earthquake near the Bay Area on the San Andreas Fault.
		That is within his range and time.
		There was, I think, a 3.0 shaker in Washington.
		That may not quite make the magnitude range he talked about.
		But we remain dead in the window, the earthquake window that he talked about.
		Margot Hemingway found dead.
		God, this is sad.
		Actress model Margot Hemingway, the granddaughter of the late Nobel Prize-winning novelist Ernest Hemingway, a truly beautiful woman, was found dead Monday inside her Santa Monica home.
		The badly decomposed body of the 41-year-old Hemingway, discovered after friends called police saying they were worried because they hadn't seen her since last Friday.
		Cause of death unknown.
		Boy, that's weird.
		Margot Hemingway dead.
		And a mystery at that.
		Bob Woodward on the Sunday shows, on Meet the Press, has written a book called The Choice.
		And in it, he portrays both Bob Dole and Bill Clinton.
		And it was interesting the way he said he went after this story.
		He looked at the way both men, Dole and Clinton, when it comes down to crunch time, make decisions.
		And he portrays Bob Dole as what I'm sure he is, a decent person who, in fact, has a center but cannot articulate it.
		That's what I think too.
		There's got to be more to Bob Dole than a lot of people believe.
		And I'm one of them.
		There's got to be more to this guy.
		I want to interview Bob Dole.
		Somebody like me has got to do it.
		We've got to do it.
		We've got to get Bob Dole.
		And I don't mean in a 15-minute sit-down, answer all the important questions, kind of meet the press interview.
		I mean a sit-down, let's meet Bob Dole.
		Let him sit at home on the telephone, wherever he is.
		He can, I hereby invite him.
		I've done it.
		And I will give him a good and fair interview.
		And I will try to find out about Bob Dole, the man, because the American people, I'm telling you, are not going to get engaged.
		They're not going to get excited.
		And they're sure not going to vote for Bob Dole until he tells us what he is about, what he wants to do as president.
		In other words, I know that old stupid thing, his vision.
		He has a hard time talking about that kind of stuff.
		And the only way you're going to get to it is in an extended, nice, relaxed interview in which you get to really probe the man.
		Not batter him with questions.
		You can see that done on the Sunday shows or on the evening news.
		But try to find out about who we're dealing with here, because he always talks about Bob Dole in a detached way.
		Bob Dole is going to do this, or Bob Dole believes that.
		You never hear a, here's what I'm about, folks.
		Here I am.
		Here's what I believe.
		Here are my firm Foundations in belief, and here's how I make my decisions.
		You never hear that kind of interview from Bob Dole.
		And so somebody's got to do it, and I would love to do it.
		If I don't, then it ought to be Rush or somebody who will give him a good national forum and just let the American people meet the guy.
		Does that make any sense to you?
		It sure does to me.
		Anyway, if Clinton, Mr. Woodward suggests that Mr. Clinton has grown in office, but complained that the Clintons, whether or not they are guilty of anything, consistently act as though they've just been,
		you know, the kid who you just caught with their finger in the cookie jar, and you can see they know they've been caught, and they've got a sinking feeling in the gut of their pit of their stomach, gut of their belly, whatever, and they've got that sort of thunderstruck look on their face.
		And it is true of the Clintons, and that's why a lot of people suspect them, because they look guilty.
		What is it?
		Something about never let them see you sweat.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		on this, Somewhere in Time.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		This just came rolling in from Tom in Columbia, Missouri.
		Art, you may not agree, but I made this little poster for my measly contribution to the campaign.
		Mind you, my biggest driving force is, quote, get Clinton out of here, end quote.
		Dole's lack of vision or not.
		Sheesh.
		Well, Tom, your intense dislike of Bill Clinton and slogans like, get him out of here, no matter what, no matter who the other guy is, that is not going to work.
		It's like this radio program.
		I'm not fool enough to come on here when I try to sell you a product or a service, you know, one of our advertisers, I don't come on here and say, hey folks, save the Art Bell Show.
		Support the Art Bell Show.
		Patronize my sponsors.
		There's about as much chance that you're going to go out and patronize anybody because I ask you to because you like me as the man in the moon.
		That's not the way you sell anybody anything.
		You sell people things by telling them why they need them.
		You sell people things by explaining how cool they are, why they are better than other things, why it's big value for the dollar.
		Any one of those things are valid ways to go and sell people.
		You sell people on why they should want or need this item.
		But you don't sell them by saying, simply, go out and save the Art Bell Show.
		Buy this.
		That's not going to sell anything.
		nobody but a fool go out and buy something for that reason they buy things That's a bunch of bull.
		People don't buy America.
		When they go out and spend, what do you spend today?
		Upwards of 20 grand for a car?
		15, 20 grand, whatever?
		You go out and get the best bang for your buck.
		Whether it's Japanese, Indonesian, Chinese, Russian, or Swiss, or German, you go buy the best thing you can find for the money.
		That's what you do.
		That's what everybody does.
		Now, they might say otherwise, but that is in fact with their dollar what they do.
		And that was proven time and time again back during the gas crunch when Detroit had forgotten that they needed to meet the needs of the people they served and Japan remembered it.
		Of course, now things have changed, but I just give that to you as an illustration.
		So with regard to Bob Dole, you're not going to sell Bob Dole by saying, I don't like Clinton.
		You know, I don't like Clinton.
		There's got to be more.
		There's got to be more to Bob Dole, and we've got to get to it, and we've got to get it to the American people, or there is no chance, I repeat, no chance that Bob Dole is going to win this election.
		Period.
		That's how serious it is.
		So anyway, I've got a lot more, but I guess I'm out of time and soapbox, so I'll just go to the phones and we'll kind of drop some of the rest of this in as we go.
		Russian elections are coming up.
		China is going to take back Hong Kong in exactly one year.
		And that is a very interesting story.
		They're reviewing the military's gay policy.
		There's a big story about food.
		I'll try to get to that as we go on.
		But for now, to the phones, anything you want to talk about is fair game.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Oh, no, you're not.
		You're a dial tone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is Ron in 29 Palms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		I agree with your assessment on the crying of wolves by the Republican Party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But I don't think you go quite far enough.
unidentified		If you notice, most of the talk shows in the country today are conservative talk shows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And the constant hammering day after day after day by these conservative talk show hosts also blends into the problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's part of it.
		It is part of it.
		I mean, there have been the Larry Nichols and people like that who have been on battering, battering, battering, battering with seemingly important, big-breaking stories that go absolutely nowhere.
		And after a while, the American people get sort of glassy-eyed and they get filled to the brim and they just can't take anymore.
unidentified		And so when something finally comes along that really does count, they go, oh, well, I agree, but it's a known fact even today that the registered Democrats outnumber the registered Republicans.
		And with the majority of the people out there being registered Democrats, and you have this constant pounding, it's kind of an us-against them kind of scenario.
		And I think my own personal opinion, I think the political parties have worn out their effectiveness in this country.
		I think it's kind of so much us against them mentality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do not disagree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Do you think the country could survive without parties?
unidentified		I mean, just candidates?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it survive that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think so.
unidentified		Would that be beneficial, do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		Because then you've got, for example, Italy, where they've got, I mean, any candidate basically is going to have a set of beliefs, and then a party or supporters will form behind that candidate.
		So what you're really asking is, could we survive, or would it be good if we had many parties?
		Because that's what you'd have, and that's what they've got in Italy, and that isn't too good either.
unidentified		Well, then, how could you do away with the hierarchy that goes on in Washington, both on the Democratic side and the Republican side, where you have a leader, and the freshman congressmen and senators are expected to follow that leader?
		I mean, that doesn't bode well either.
		I mean, that's the party going to its ultimate end.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a good point, sir, and believe me, I'm thinking it over, and we all should.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the answers for you, or I suppose I would, you know, myself run for office.
unidentified		Just something to think about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you bet it is.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Sure is.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, this is the American Observer out of Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		All right, are you good?
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Yeah, like I said last time I called you, Bill Clinton is getting harangued and harassed by the Republican Party, and I think the American people realize that.
unidentified		The Republicans are looking like a bunch of desperate people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have sounded a little that way over the last couple of years.
		And I went through the litany of things, and I understand the Republicans desperately dislike Bill Clinton, but there's been an error made here.
		And that is, again, that in doing so much, all the time, this constant pounding, when something really serious does come along, people just don't grasp it.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		I remember when Bill Clinton was, before he even got nominated, he was heard to be a favorite of the Democratic Party.
		There were people at my job at the time, hardcore Republicans here in Texas, who were already digging up the dirt, bringing out the political jokes.
		I mean, it was highly organized.
		They were already berating the man.
		And I feel sorry for him.
		I really do.
		I think that's why Colin Powell didn't want to run.
		Your life is reduced to a constant hounding.
		Everybody's investigating in every corner of your life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I think you're right about Colin Powell as well.
unidentified		As far as Bob Dole coming on your show, that ain't going to happen.
		His political consultants aren't going to let him do that.
		And I think that's Bob Dole's problem.
		He's capable of charisma when he was running for president in 1880.
		Yes, he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he is.
		But it is not apparent when they do a little interview with him on Meet the Press and they sit there and grill him.
		You're not going to learn about who Bob Dole is.
		And Bob Dole, you know, I don't care.
		I don't have that much pride one way or the other.
		I just know I've got a big forum here.
		And if he doesn't come on my show and do it, he's going to have to go on somebody's show and do it.
		And if he doesn't, he is not going to win.
unidentified		In 88, he gave this speech at the Republican convention, the Massachusetts Liberal speech.
unidentified		It was a brilliant piece of rhetoric.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But he doesn't speak that way all the time.
		I don't understand it.
		And I think it's his political consultant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may be.
		I appreciate your call, sir, and it may be.
		He's going to have to get that kind of exposure, and I would be more than happy to provide it.
		I do that kind of interview, as you know.
		And I'm of the belief when you interview somebody, if you're going to come at them like a cement mixer in the night and run them over, you're not going to find out what they're all about.
		The only way you do that is to sort of meet them at the level they wish to be met and try to find out about them.
		Then you get a good interview.
		At least that's the way I like to do it.
		And so I think I'd be a good one to interview Bob Dole and find out about the man and about the core beliefs.
		With Ronald Reagan, that was always very obvious.
		And whether you liked or disliked Ronald Reagan, you knew what he believed.
		And you knew why he believed it.
		And so when he was going to make a decision, you could almost know exactly what it would be because you knew what he believed.
		And we need to find out what it is that Bob Dole believes.
		And that could be done in not a short interview, but an extended opportunity to just sit down and, in effect, talk with the American people.
		Does that make sense to you?
		It does to me.
		That is exactly what I told his headquarters.
		I faxed them things about the network and how many affiliates and how I felt about interviewing Bob Dole.
		And we'll see.
		We'll see.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		Is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good guess.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I really dug your show the other night about the Birkeland earthquake stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Really great stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I had some comments about the Republican issue.
		I sent you an email.
		I don't know if you got it about the American distrust of the Republican Party, which I think is the big issue that you're kind of avoiding when you talk about what's wrong with the American people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not avoiding it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that I hate it.
unidentified		I think you're dealing with it tonight, whereas last week you didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I do.
		Well, last week, I was in the middle of trying to figure out why the American people felt that the Clinton administration had done this thing were wrong and yet still supported Bill Clinton by 17 percentage points.
		That has dropped to 15.
		But it's still incredible.
unidentified		Well, it is incredible, but at the same time, you have to think about the Republican Party record.
unidentified		I mean, you have to think about the prosecutor of Whitewater is Al D'Amato, who is not the cleanest politician around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could have fooled me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought the prosecutor was Star.
unidentified		Starr.
unidentified		I mean, I'm talking the Whitewater Commission that's being led by Al D'Amato.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's true.
unidentified		That's true.
		And he's not the cleanest politician around, and Newt Gingrich has dirt in his record.
		So it seems that the Republican Party has a lot of dirt.
		And also the fact that Bob Dill himself is one of Nixon's greatest acolytes, and that seems to generate a lot of distrust from the American people.
		So I think those are issues that are really tarnishing the Republican Party, and rightly so.
		And so I think it says less about the American people, which was something you proposed last week, than it says about the Republican Party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call.
		Well, it's both.
		But the American people are just, they have stopped listening.
		That's, I think, what's happened.
		There has been such a consistent pounding over things that, oh, over allegations and things that really ended up going nowhere that they've just stopped listening.
		That's all.
unidentified		Am I wrong?
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, have you noticed that with regard to Filegate, just about everything has been blamed on the dead guy, Vince Foster?
		Vince Foster is now said to have been the one who hired Mr. Livingstone.
		There is other people running around this new book in which it is said that the first lady really is the one who did it.
		But actually now it's going to be Vince Foster.
		So just about everything in Filegate, I'm sure by the time it is over, will be Vince Foster's fault.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Bob in Yucca Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Bob.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I just wanted to comment on the Saudi Arabian problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And the communication between the Saudis and our military.
		I'm getting you, by the way, on K-News here in Yucca Valley.
		Yes, sir.
		Mutual carried an item just before you came on the air where the general or the ranking officer for the military there in Saudi Arabia had not mentioned anything to his superiors about the problem associated with moving those barriers further out.
		So I'm wondering whether Perry even knew anything about the fact that we had, through our military, requested the barriers to the future.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, sir, yes, he did because he would not answer the question.
		Now, if, in fact, he had a lack of knowledge about that subject or had never heard it, then he would have easily come back and said, oh, no, no, there was nothing like that.
		The cooperation between the U.S. and the Saudis has been ideal.
		That's what he would have said.
		Instead, he did the biggest tap dance I've ever seen in my whole life around the whole question, refusing to answer it.
unidentified		Well, that's a possibility, all right, but I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not a possibility.
unidentified		You're not hearing what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		I worked in Saudi Arabia for six years, from 1983 to 1990.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I worked for a private concern, but I was at the Riyadh Airport, King Khaled International Airport in Riyadh.
		And I worked there in management.
		I was responsible for helping to bring the new airport online in 1983.
		And then helping to train Saudis.
		The only thing I'm trying to say here, to make a long story short, is the Saudis are very, very intent on not wanting to be controlled by outside forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree with you there.
		As a matter of fact, that's one of the main motives for the bombing.
		That we are contaminating their social structure there.
		You know, the women are beginning to get uppity and wanting to drive cars and do things like that, all since we arrived.
		So that is true.
		But it does not bear on Secretary Perry's evasive biomission lie with regard to the request for increased security and a denial of that request by the Saudis.
		And I've never seen such political tap-dance in my whole life.
		That's our Secretary of Defense.
		And I expect him to some degree to be separated by politics from politics, though I know it's too much to hope for.
		And tell us the truth when it has to do with the death of American GIs.
		Is that too much to ask?
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air, coast to coast, a.m. with Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Calgary, Alberta, KGA I listen to.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Yeah, it is an interesting talk show you got.
		You're turning me into an insomniac, too, I might add.
		But I really, in the interior of British Columbia, I pick you up a lot better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
unidentified		a place out there I go to regularly.
unidentified		But I was just going to comment on your conclusions regarding Mr. Clinton's problems, and why the American people have ignored the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and so from outside the U.S., What can you tell us about?
unidentified		Well, I'm a stock market buff.
		I have been for a long time, long before most people recognized it was a place to be.
		But the stock market is a barometer of good feelings for the people in general, and I think it's a collective psychosis kind of thing.
		And those good feelings are translated into it's okay.
		But when things turn bad, when the stock market eventually turns down, which it probably will do fairly soon, those good feelings will evaporate very fast.
		And the American people will then start to blame their leader for it.
		And it doesn't matter who they are, whether they're Republicans or Democrats.
		They're allowing themselves a free lunch, I think, in ignoring the kind of integrity misadventures of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Look, at one level, it doesn't matter.
		In other words, he's correct.
		As long as things are going well, money's in the pocket, people have jobs, the market is booming, things are going well, people just aren't going to pay attention.
		That's another factor and another reason this may not be resonating with the American people.
		But frankly, it's more than that.
		I mean, look at Nixon.
		Things were winding down.
		The war was ending.
		And things basically were on their way back to normal.
		And yet, Watergate did resonate, didn't it?
		Hard.
		Well, that hasn't happened with Filegate.
		Not yet.
		Anyway.
		And the reason is because the American people have had their heads pounded into the sidewalk, yes, by some and talk radio, by the press, by the people who just plain don't like Bill Clinton.
		And there have been so many times that the conservatives, in my opinion, have basically cried wolf, that the American people are just sort of yawning and not paying attention right now.
		And maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't think so.
		I don't think so.
		So in a kind of a strange way, the continuing pounding from the right on Clinton is now, it's gone so far that it's actually helping Clinton.
		That's what I believe.
		At any rate, we're going to break here at the top of the hour.
		And you think that over.
		And you try and figure out for yourself whether that is right or wrong.
		And I would like to hear from you.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Premier Networks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from July 1st, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody, and welcome again to WELI in New Haven, Connecticut.
		960 on the dial, 5,000 non-directional big ones.
		I suspect they cover a lot of that country.
		And also, KGFWAM in Kearney, Nebraska.
		1340 on the dial.
		Good to have you with us.
		How about that Jim Birkland, huh?
		How about that, Jim Birkland?
		An earthquake on the San Andreas Fault 3.5 in the window now through July 6th.
		Did you jump a little bit when you heard about that one?
		I did.
		All right, back to the lines.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		How in the world are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, good.
		You know, I really appreciate you.
		And the reason is, is you search for answers.
		You don't just tote the company line like another famous talk show host who shall remain nameless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because I don't have a company line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
unidentified		I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, what he does is okay.
		I'm a listener.
		I like Rush.
		But he is what he is, and I am what I am, and we are not the same things.
unidentified		Not at all.
		When you feel criticism is deserved, you criticize.
		When compliment, compliments in line, you do that.
		And I appreciate that about you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Clinton, a couple things, and then I just want to briefly touch on the militia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, by the way, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Clinton country.
unidentified		You know, I agree with you, the crying wolf, but I think there might be a deeper thing here we might be overlooking, and that's that the way the moral degeneration here in America is taking place, it's almost as though folks feel it's a stamp of approval for their devious methods.
unidentified		In other words, if the leader of the country gets away with an affair or cheats in business, it's almost like a stamp of approval for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or people may be hesitant to throw stones in their own glass house.
unidentified		Isn't that the truth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we may have exactly the kind of leadership that we deserve.
unidentified		He's reflecting our state of being, our state of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
unidentified		I agree with you.
		Real quickly, the militia arrests.
		I mean, if these guys are criminals, then they deserve behind bars.
		But I think it's just a state of moral outrage of the United States now, such as seeing 92 people at Waco killed the way they were in Ruby Ridge.
		I mean, people are just simply outraged.
		And there was no criminal charges filed.
		Nobody was convicted of anything.
		It remains unpunished.
		And it just sticks in the craw of people, and they can't get over it.
		Am I justifying what they're thinking about doing?
		Not at all, or not at all.
		The last thing we need is bullets flying in the street.
		But my goodness, when is someone in the helm going to take responsibility for travesties like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call.
		With regard to Waco, I agree.
		Ruby Ridge, there has been some action, and I still think there will be.
		Yeah, this thing down in Arizona.
		That's bad.
		Just a group, a militia group called the Viper Militia were going to blow up buildings, kill people.
		ATF, FBI, IRS, INS, Social Security, National Guard.
		They were going to target all of those.
		They had explosives, the ever-present ammonium nitrate, 400 pounds, automatic weapons, in other words, machine guns, that kind of thing.
		What kind of country do you folks want?
		You want a country that is like living in Bosnia, where you've got to, when you go down the street, you've got to run.
		You've got to try to get what cover you can so you don't get shot?
		Could it happen here?
		Yep.
unidentified		Could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Praytal?
unidentified		I'm calling from Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, my name is David, and I wanted to let you know that we appreciate you down here, and we want to thank WWTN 997 for broadcasting you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very kind of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are a big radio station.
unidentified		Yes, they are.
		And there was one question I wanted to ask you.
		Sure.
		Have you ever heard anything else about the tupacopa?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting reports all the time regarding animals that have been attacked, and sure, it's ongoing.
unidentified		Well, I hadn't really been able to listen to your Dreamland show or anything like this if I've been working a lot there, but I wanted to ask you about the 50-herdian thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I keep my ear to the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've not seen one here yet, and I assume one has not shown up yet in Murphysboro.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, I appreciate that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Yeah, the chupacabra.
		They now, it's really becoming a cult thing, and there are chupacabra t-shirts, chupacabra coffee cups, probably chupacabra tie clips.
		Wonder if they make a chupacabra choker?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
unidentified		This is Paul in Edmonton, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Paul.
unidentified		What do you think old Dole's chances are with a good running mate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody talks about the running mate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it Paul?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Paul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody talks about the running mate, but when it comes to Election Day, they vote for president.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		It's a bit different up here.
		There's no vice president, but I noticed down there that they make a big thing about the running mate, the VP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a question.
		I am not familiar with the Canadian Constitution.
		If somebody assassinates or kills your president.
unidentified		Prime Minister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prime Minister, who takes over?
unidentified		I would imagine the Deputy Prime Minister.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's like a Vice President.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		And we don't have no tupacabra up here.
		Is that just a thing in the States, or is this worldwide now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know some people that are planning to capture what chupacabras have come across our southern border and put them up there where you are.
unidentified		No, I think it's the farce, Art.
		I really do.
		It's just like I'd really like to see the proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we could call it Art's Farce.
		Look, I don't know whether it is or not.
		I have no idea.
		I know there are.
		What is non-farcical is that there are thousands of dead animals.
		And the way they've been killed is not consistent with any predator that we know of, including the vampire bat, which bites its victims and then laps up the blood.
		It does not suck the blood from its victims.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		But, you know, we're finding cows up here mutilated, and they think it's the cults, the devil worshipers, and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, for the blood and the organs and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty cool that these cults are able to get those saucers, huh?
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Linda Moulton Howe had quite a significant breaking story on Dreamland about a farmer in Utah who has lost about 10% of his herd to mutilation.
		I don't think that's a devil's group.
		And with those mutilations, and this is an ongoing thing right now, are coming sightings of all kinds of craft.
		This is a guy who didn't want any publicity, didn't even want his name used, didn't even want to tell the story.
		She had to wring it from him.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Portland, Indiana.
		Good.
		I would like to talk a little bit about Art's parts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
unidentified		You said here a couple weeks ago, and I've been trying to get a hold of you, you said there were an element called bismuth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bismuth, yes.
unidentified		Are you familiar with bismuth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm becoming more familiar with bismuth all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a fascinating, fascinating element.
unidentified		Yes, do you know the main usage of bismuth in this country as far as everyday life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
unidentified		Peptobismol.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peptobismol?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, bismuth has what are known to be anti-I'm trying to think of the right word here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anti-gravitic properties.
unidentified		Yes, and I believe Art, what I think you have, and this is, I'll tell you why I think what I think you have.
unidentified		I think you have some pieces off of one of our secret aircraft that it crashed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely could be.
unidentified		I think it may be part of one of these aircraft like the stealth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about stealth, but I suspect it's possible that one of these new generation craft that can go 15 times the speed of sound or whatever it is, it might be one of those, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I believe it's something that is not easily detected by radar and x-rays because bismuth is used in making shot for waterfowl hunting because it's non-toxic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that it is next to lead on the elemental scale.
		That's correct.
		And also, I'm told that bismuth may be around element 115, people are thinking.
		Now, it's lower on the element scale, and there's something about, you know, I am not a physicist, all right, but I'm listening to the reports that I'm getting from those who are, and what we've got is a layered bismuth magnesium piece, about at least 20 layers, I guess.
		You'd have to count them.
		I think they have.
		And they're doing all sorts of tests, which I really can't talk about right now.
		But this particular piece of metal is so exotic that no exotic metals manufacturer knows about it, knows whether it can be made, or ever has been made.
		They know nothing.
		We have gone to some of the best physicists in the country, and they're throwing up their hands.
		They believe this may be some sort of power-gathering material that might have indeed been on the outside of a craft of some kind.
		There are certain anti-gravitic elements to this.
		I really, I just, I can't talk too much about it right now because there is some very, very important testing going on.
		And so we'll let you know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Steve calling from Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Steve.
unidentified		How are you doing this morning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Yeah, I just wanted to say that your show is a refreshing breeze in an otherwise maelstrom of talk show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is different.
unidentified		Say, I've got a couple of comments.
		First of all, in regard to the militia problem in the country.
		Yes.
		I'm a disabled Viet vet, was injured in a line of duty in NAM.
		And, you know, I agree with exactly what you're saying.
		I think these folks kind of remind me of terrorists.
		And I'm not going to march to the drum of Big Brother, but I'm not going to march to the drum of some overzealous radical extremist either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, here's the tire to the road.
		If it came down to it right now and people started across the country blowing up federal buildings and all that sort of thing, and I had to choose sides, right now, I'll tell you frankly and absolutely, I would be on the government side.
unidentified		I guarantee you, I'm armed and I would be right there at your shoulder, my friend.
		And not because I'm not a patriot.
		I believe I'm a patriot just as I believe you're a patriot.
		That's right.
		And Arnold, one other thing I'd like to ask your opinion on, and maybe give a brief comment in regard to this filegate situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You said earlier that you believe the American public's, all their recent decline of interest in its own political processes has been pretty much as a direct result of this President Clinton scandals and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm saying that I think the conservatives have cried wolf so many times that the American public is just numb.
unidentified		Yeah, I kind of agree with you there, too, but you know what?
		If I may be allowed, I know I'm entering an environment here that's pretty much pro-conservative, and I respect that.
		I myself am a fence writer, and I just never know who I'm going to vote for until I see what they got.
		But I was wanting to go back to even Watergate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then, of course, the reason we got out of Vietnam was because it became such an unpopular war that we just, you know, the establishment really had no other choice.
		And then there was the Watergate situation with Nixon.
		And, of course, during the Reagan administration, we had a hint of the arms for hostages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Bush, we had the Iron Contra thing.
		You know, so it's not just, I think, the Clinton situation, although I believe 100% has a contributing factor.
		And really, you know, I hate to say it, but the Republicans seem to have become a bunch of crybabies and poor sports over all this.
		I just really wish they'd get on with politics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I agree with you.
		Crybabies, that's the same thing as saying crying wolf.
		Same thing.
		To some degree, there is validity to that charge.
		You just can't keep making allegations.
		I mean, there have been videotapes out there saying the president's deal in drugs.
		President is a murderer, these sorts of things.
		And I'll tell you something.
		I'm beginning to come to the point of view that these things are actually helping Nixon.
		They are Nixon.
		Clinton.
		There are so many of them, and they are so outrageous that when something really serious does come along, the American people just don't even pay attention.
		Files?
		FBI files in the White House?
		You know, what's that?
		So that's my take on it.
		I've been trying to figure it out for about a week now.
		And we'll roll over all this again probably in the next hour.
		In the meantime, love to have your thinking on it.
unidentified		Psh Psh Ah!
		Ah!
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coast to Coast AM East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		To Wolf, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I say, have you heard, did you hear what Timothy McVay said when they asked him if talk radio had anything to do with his hate the government philosophy?
unidentified		Did you hear what he replied?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what did he say?
unidentified		He said, of course not.
unidentified		He said, I have so much talent on loan from God that I do all my thinking on my own, even with half my brain tied behind my back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very funny, sir.
unidentified		Get the point?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay, see ya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, he didn't say that.
		Do I think that talk radio has contributed to the numbing of America with regard to the Clinton administration?
		Yes, I do.
		Yes, I do.
		And as you well know, I have not done a lot of it because I've looked at these various stories, and it has seemed to me that these are not things that are going to get a president impeached or even are going to, to a large degree, affect the public one way or the other.
		So I have avoided the stories.
		We deal with them, but I have not focused on them, let me put it that way, as so many talk shows have.
		Now, the FBI file story, I think, is a big, important story.
		And I think the reason we haven't had the reaction that we should have to it is because of this constant drumbeat of we hate the Clintons, and here's another thing that might get them out of office.
		Well, these have not been things that are going to get them out of office.
		They have been important questions, but I don't know.
		Go through them.
		Look at them yourself.
		Whitewater hasn't reached the president.
		May never.
		The draft dodging?
		People looked at that and said, so what?
		Elected him anyway, right?
		Paula Jones?
		That has now successfully been put off until the election ends.
		Marital infidelities, then and or now, depending on whether you believe the allegations.
		Accepted by the public.
		Drug use?
		He never inhaled, right?
		Travelgate?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cynical, yes.
		Cronyism, yes.
		Impeachment material, no.
		Mrs. Clinton's New Age dalliance?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all the rest of it.
		Just pound, pound, pound, pound.
		And then when Filegate comes along, it's just one more thing to add on to the pile and not that meaningful.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
unidentified		Here we turn off my radio real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Do that right away.
		Where are you?
unidentified		Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, about these anti-government protesters?
		Protesters?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Protesters, sir, those are people who carry signs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These were people ready to blow up buildings.
unidentified		I can't condone or condemn what they do, but our government lately has been, you know, more and more corrupt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why can't you condemn it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You certainly don't condone it, but why can't you condemn it?
unidentified		Well, I condemn anybody that would kill innocent people.
unidentified		But I believe there is going to be within 10 years a civil war in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe there will be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it will be a very nice place to live anymore will it no i i hope it never happened but with uh...
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How'd you like to have to dash down the streets of Milwaukee with bullets ricocheting off the side of the building as you and your family try to make it down to the grocery store or wherever you're going?
unidentified		Yes, but what I'm saying is our government's always going after the rightist groups, but never the leftist groups.
unidentified		Because leftist groups thought that they're planning to overthrow the United States government, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I seem to recall a bomb that went off in Philadelphia and pretty much destroyed the group called Move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember that?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I wouldn't say they never go against leftist groups.
unidentified		They do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Although they just did settle with them for, I think it was $1.3 million for the But I was simply responding to your statement that they never go after people on the left.
unidentified		What I'm saying is our media doesn't go after them as much as the citizens groups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've got to run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
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		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
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		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, everybody.
		It is very good to be here.
		We'll talk about anything you want to talk about.
		We don't screen calls On this show.
		Never have.
		Never will.
		And so you get a variety of things: a constantly changing, morphing variety of things.
		And that is as it should be.
		So anywhere you want to go is fine by me.
		You're on the air coast to coast, a.m. with our bell high.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Columbia, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Columbia, Missouri.
		All right.
		My name's Paul.
		Yes, Paul.
unidentified		And I was thinking about I'm a second-time caller.
		I only called you once before.
		I'm a new caller like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, once we have you three times, Paul, you're a gone goose.
unidentified		It was only a second.
		I understand.
		I was thinking about these people that are all flipped out in the militia movement.
		I hate to speak well of Rush Limbaugh, but one thing that he did do that was worthwhile was when he got all over the Clinton administration wanting to put this eavesdropping chip and everything electronic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's like these guys bend over backwards to infuriate the people in the militia movement and all the right-wing nutcases.
unidentified		Everything they do, you know, it's like enraging a bull.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for one thing, there's a big difference between a lot of times what people or Congress or even the President will say they want to do and what they actually do.
		People get enraged over certain bills that are introduced, but there are about a gazillion bills every year that are introduced in Congress that are outrageous on their face, never are going to pass.
		But they get people all exorcised, and they just never go through.
		And there are a lot of things presidents say, particularly this president, that never happen.
		So, you know, people ought to be careful about picking up fertilizer and making bombs and getting automatic weapons.
		And they ought to be careful what they do, or we're going to end up with a country that's not going to be much fun to live in, I'll tell you that.
unidentified		Oh, for sure.
unidentified		I've just been amazed by the ability to do the wrong thing that the Clinton administration has such an absolute gift for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then when they are called on it, as the author over the weekend said, they also have this unique ability, whether or not they are guilty, to look guilty is sin.
unidentified		Yeah, they have an absolute rare gift for putting the worst face on everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They truly do.
		They truly do, my friend.
		Thank you.
		And so in a weird kind of way, it has gone so far that it now has helped them.
		It's kind of like what we were talking, I think I brought it up on Dreamland last night.
		The Kennedy assassination.
		I have long said nobody is ever going to know the real story behind the Kennedy assassination, are they?
		If somebody were to have the absolute, unmitigated, God-given truth about the Kennedy assassination, they'd go in front of a podium, call a bunch of reporters, and say, here it is, the latest and the real thing on the Kennedy assassination.
		Well, people would take it in, talk about it a little while, and pile it on top of the gigantic pile of theories about conspiracies regarding the Kennedy assassination.
		So it's so convoluted by now, we would not know the truth if it bit us in the butt.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, hi.
		I just felt I had to respond to what everyone will probably be seeing by now and possibly in the future is a very poor image for the militia.
		And I'm not a militia member.
		Of course, some of us know the law.
		Means it includes certain age brackets in Title X of the U.S. Code.
		But the reason I'm calling is because the media has participated in the attempted vilification of the two Georgia militia members and Macon Telegraph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You talk about the guys that were burying bombs?
unidentified		Actually, as the Macon Telegraph reported on your May 7th issue, that BATF Special Agent Stephen Gillis admitted many different things that the BATF planted the bomb-making materials, the alleged illegal materials, on the property.
		And even after 10 days, it was not tested to see what it was.
		And he also admitted that they were legally obtainable.
		And by the way, I have a videotape, if you're interested, of Nancy Lorde, who is representing them.
		She came through Largo recently.
		And by the way, this is Kristen's seminal I called last night also.
		And she said that they went directly to this is another admission according to the Macon Telegraph.
		They went directly to the bomb-making material buried on Bob Starr's property, and they didn't check anywhere else on his property afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was probably a sting operation.
unidentified		Well, he had bomb-making classes, actually, it's my understanding, but he did not have any materials with him.
		He only covered information.
		And Jimmy McCraney is another one who I know less about, and the Macon Telegraph doesn't cover much about.
		And also, I just felt I should call in also about bills that are introduced, and one that is a very overt threat is one that was introduced on April 24th, Senate Bill 1700.
		It outlaws the use of body armor in the commission of a federal crime.
		And this is from Section 9.
		It says it shall be unlawful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute now.
		It outlaws the use of body armor in commission of a federal crime.
		Is that what I heard you say?
unidentified		Yes, and it gets worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Isn't there already a law against, say, using a gun in commission of a federal crime?
unidentified		Or any crime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
		so i i'm not scared to death by such a law You know what?
		Give me a break.
		How law is the use of body armor in a federal crime?
		I'm sure some criminal out there is going to say, oh, we're going to go hit this bank.
		Well, we better not put this body armor on.
		It's Against the law.
		I swear.
		Yeah, I think that thing in Georgia probably was a sting, and I think the thing in Arizona probably also was a sting.
		But I think the people, from what I can see in Arizona, firmly planned to blow things up and kill people.
		I mean, that's what you do with ammonium nitrate and machine guns and so forth.
		And they had a videotape in which it was described how you place the explosives on the particular buildings to bring them down.
		It's pretty clear.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Oh, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Hi, this is Lily from Charleston, South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello, Charleston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, do you sound like a Southern Bell?
unidentified		Well, I don't know about that.
unidentified		Yeah, they finally got you back on TV, except they don't play your last hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, there's a difference in time zones here, dear.
unidentified		Yeah, that's true.
		I forgot to talk to your wife that night.
		She was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
		It's been a while since she's been on.
		I should have her on again.
		Oh, she does, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, one thing I want to ask you about was did you see Sunday on Fox their preview of Independence Day?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know a lot about Independence Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a copy of the script.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
		That is so weird.
		I mean, the preview started out about the movie, and then they went into this plan about the Space Command and all this stuff.
		I mean, it was real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wait till you see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be, I think it's going to be the movie of the year.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And those who have called me, you know, I've got some friends in Hollywood that have been to the opening, and they're all raving about it.
		Ten on a scale of ten.
		So this is going to be a big event.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But, I mean, I was really amazed at the preview guys.
		I mean, they took it seriously.
		They had Whitley Streeber and all those guys on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Hey, when do you have Whitley back on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've already got them scheduled.
		Let me see.
		When is Whitley back on?
		September 8th.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
		He's cool.
		And one other thing I wanted to ask, I remember a long time ago when you had your Mother's Day program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And you asked about people that had experiences with a story about seeing, you know, I guess their children before they were born or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, yes.
unidentified		There's a great story.
		I don't know if you read science fiction.
		There's a lady called Tamith Lee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She wrote one.
		It's called Knight's Daughter, and there's a great story in there about that.
		Huh.
		All right.
		Yeah, this baby picks his parents, and it's pretty funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look for it.
		All right.
		Thank you, dear.
unidentified		Great talking, see you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		July 7th, Kurt Sutherly, author of Strange Encounters, UFOs, Aliens, and Monsters Among Us, is going to be our guest.
		That's the next upcoming Dreamland.
		July 14th, Stanton Friedman.
		Really looking forward to Stanton being on the program.
		July 21st, Konstantinos, author of Vampires, the Occult Truth.
		Ooh.
		Now that should be interesting.
		Vampires.
		I've wanted to talk about vampires for a long time.
		Konstantinos, you don't suppose he's a vampire.
		No, he's writing about vampires.
		I would like to interview a vampire.
		Maybe Konstantinos can get us one.
		July 28th, tentatively, Dr. Michael Newton, author of Journey of Souls.
		August 4th, 11th, and 18th.
		You'd be surprised because I'm going to be in Europe.
		Russia.
		August 25th, Dan Wright, Project Manager of the Abduction Transcription Project for MUFON.
		September 1st, Dr. Stephen Greer, founder and director of the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or C SETI, founder and director of CSETI.
		September 8th, Whitley Striber, author of Communion.
		September 15th, Dr. Richard Boylan, author of Extraterrestrial Contacts and Human Responses.
		That is what's coming on Dreamland.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		This is Carolyn from Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Carolyn.
unidentified		You're a thing about Clinton.
unidentified		I think people are sick and tired of hearing about him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		And another thing I wanted to bring up, you remember you had done Major Danes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		And your arts parts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He said...
		Right.
		Now, that I found real interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might be.
unidentified		Supposing that's us in the future.
unidentified		These aliens that we're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is some current scientific thinking that the DNA structure, ours, you know, the good old double helix.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does not regenerate, does not progress, only degenerates.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you could imagine centuries from now a human race wasting away, its DNA structure beginning to crumble, wanting to come back and refresh it.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I found that interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		It's as possible as anything else.
		Who knows?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And your chupacabra.
unidentified		Well, that's where I've heard it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		You've heard it on this program, but it is, believe me, it's all over Mexican television.
		It is the number one subject down there.
unidentified		How come we don't hear anything more about it besides on your program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's been articles in the Los Angeles Times, many of them, the San Diego Union Tribune, newspapers all across the West, so you must have just missed it.
unidentified		Well, I live in the Midwest East up in Indiana, so I don't get that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe the chupacabra is coming to Indiana soon.
unidentified		Well, I'll be looking for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
unidentified		Thank you.
		See you later.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell First time caller align, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Outstanding.
		Listen, I've been listening to you for a long time, and I'm getting ready to go to Saudi Arabia to go to work.
		Uh-huh.
		And I just want people to know in general, I was a kid.
		I graduated from high school there.
		I speak two dialects of Arabic.
		I've served 13 years in the military.
		Can't get a job here in the States doing what I did in the military.
		So I'm going to go work in the oil fields.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big bucks.
unidentified		Well, and it's tax-free to the first $70K.
unidentified		But the safety thing that everybody's looking at, having gone to a Saudi school with the Saudis, not an American school, the way that the Saudis have believed for years is that ever since the Ottoman Turks and the Brits, everybody's been interposing on their lifestyle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and we're doing that now.
unidentified		That's correct.
		And my mother and father work in Saudi Arabia, and they've been there for 25 years.
		My mom drives on the compound.
		That's it.
		Where the Saudi women started seeing American women driving was during Desert Storm.
		We have integrated several societies, tried to go into their societies and to make them what we are.
		It's not going to work with the Saudis.
		And the sooner that our government figures out that human rights mean different things if you're from different cultures, and whether what we believe is correct or not, we're not going to change their concept of things.
		That's how I feel about the Saudi thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, but we have a national security interest and seeing to it that the oil that people like you go help them pump out of their ground continues to get to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So our presence is going to be continually required in that area of the world.
unidentified		Well, what you're looking at is one handful of people throughout the whole country.
		I call them the mullahs.
		My parents have a different name for them.
		They're sort of like journeymen priests for the Islamic religion.
		And they have been spouting the Iranian hardline.
		And the Shiites have been trying to get into the Sunni religion for the last, and that's the two different sects of the Islamic religion.
		And they have been trying for the last few years to get in there and subvert and get the Americans out because the Iranians want to be the superpower in the Fertile Crescent.
		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sooner we figure it out and we say, okay, we're eventually going to go to war with Iran.
unidentified		That's correct.
		And we're looking at it very soon considering that they're looking for missing nuclear weapons that may have shown up in Iran.
		But to get to the Saudis and their execution recently of the guys that took out the complex and tried to take out the complex in Riyadh, the FBI actually helped find those individuals and did get to talk to them before they were executed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not my understanding.
unidentified		Well, there were some individuals that were in the State Department that did not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you mean that Perry lied?
unidentified		Perry lies about everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And Perry definitely said they did not have a chance to interrogate those people.
		So there's no way to even really know if we got the right people.
		Now, maybe he lied.
		I don't know.
		I do know that when asked directly over the weekend about the U.S. having requested increased security barriers about 400 feet out that would have saved lives, the Saudis said no, and Perry wouldn't answer the question.
		He flat wouldn't answer the question.
		And I'll tell you, though I am sensitive to the delicate relationship between the Saudis and America right now, these were our troops, our people, our soldiers.
		And I didn't appreciate Perry's lack of responsiveness to that question.
		Sensitivity or not, he had a duty, in my opinion, to answer that question.
		And if the realities, in fact, prevented us from expanding the security zone, then we've got a big problem.
		And if our own Secretary of Defense refuses to tell us the truth, we've got an even bigger problem.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		My name is Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dan.
unidentified		I'm calling from Long Beach, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I've called to tell you that I have actually seen a picture of the Tupacabra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
unidentified		Ugly little things, aren't they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very ugly.
		Yes.
		Now, where did you see the photograph?
unidentified		A friend of mine actually took a picture of the Tupacabra right after he blew the little bugger's head off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a two-part picture?
unidentified		No, I just got one picture where it was just decapitated by the shotgun blast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a good photograph?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
		Very clear with the flash on there and everything.
		really the thing is He didn't give it to me, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wouldn't give it to you?
		Mm-hmm.
		You think you can pry it from his shotgun vibrating fingers?
unidentified		Well, I could ask him to make a copy, and if I do, I'll probably send it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you'll send it to me, I will scan it, get it up there for computer people, and put it in my newsletter.
		How about that?
		Well, I'll ask him about that, and, you know, just like you send it in.
		It's like you see the body of the chupacabra in the picture.
		And then you see the disengaged head in the photograph as well.
unidentified		Well, the only best way I can describe it is, but it's a good size of an iguana with little bat wings on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An iguana with what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Since I know you've been always talking about the chupacabra anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Favorite topic around here.
		People like their monsters.
unidentified		Well, I guess, you know, growing up with watching horror movies and stuff like that, you know, people tend to like to gross themselves out by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know whether the chupacabra has yet consumed a young lady in a low-cut blouse?
unidentified		Last thing I've heard, something close to that is the people from the Black Lagoon.
unidentified		Or my mother-in-law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll look forward to that photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See what you can do.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Now we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got a very special friend in Hollywood, somebody I protect, because he sends me cool stuff.
		Like he sent me the script from 7, the script from ID4.
		And I just got a fact from him.
		He said, Art, so in less than 24 hours, your mind will be reeling from the special effects that we in the industry love to share.
		I can't wait for your show tomorrow night, your reactions, your insights.
		Well, you won't get them because I'm not going to see it.
		I know that it is to debut tomorrow.
		I'll get the audience reactions to Independence Day, that's for sure.
		He says, the rest of the week, rather, your show is going to be filled with the wonders that your listeners must share with the rest of the world, the feelings they'll attempt to describe.
		Then he goes on, in a week or so, my dear friend, I will reveal to you before anybody else the powers, the mysticism, the frightening yet endearing magical truths to be shared worldwide in an up-and-coming definitive answer to your quickening, a film project that we will awaken, with which we will awaken the sleepers, centralize the guardians, and gather the magicians.
		And he gives me the name of this motion picture, and I'm not going to share it at this time, but that's my connection in Hollywood.
		Really nice guy.
		Yeah, that's it.
		ID4 comes out tomorrow, you know.
		And I am looking forward to it.
		No doubt about that.
unidentified		You are listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The news is interesting to say the least.
		The latest militia problem is a group, a cute little group called the Viper Militia.
		Isn't that something?
		Another militia problem, bigot.
		Authorities say that a Phoenix group planned to launch terrorist attacks and blow up buildings.
		The ATF building, FBI, IRS, INS, Social Security, and National Guard, the armory.
		The ATF, so finally the ATF sealed off a Phoenix neighborhood and with a seven-count federal indictment, went and recovered automatic weapons, 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate, the same thing that brought down the Murray Federal Building.
		The group had produced a videotape showing how you do this, where you place explosives on these Phoenix buildings to bring them down.
		They range in age from 21 to 50.
		Trained in the desert there, the Arizona desert, blowing up bombs.
		Federal authorities say they believe there is a loose connection between this militia and other militia groups.
		And so here we go again.
		Any comments?
		If it ever does get going, it'll be just like Bosnia here.
		It will not be just rosy, where you try to run around the streets of Phoenix or whatever other city, dodging bullets, the police, the military fighting people who are trying to blow things up.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Saudi Arabia, the big brouhaha over the weekend, really over Secretary Perry, interviewed from onboard an aircraft carrier by the Sunday shows.
		Wouldn't answer the question about whether or not the Saudis, in fact, We have evidence the Saudis did, in fact, turn down our request to increase the security range.
		Saudis said no.
		They're doing it now, of course.
		But they said no.
		And they asked Perry that, and he wouldn't answer the question.
		He sat there and talked all around it, wouldn't answer the question.
		A lot of people so angry they're calling for his resignation, and I am one of them.
		What a jerk.
		Then last week, you'll recall, I was agonizing over what in the world is going on with the American people that they don't consider this file gate thing that it has not got them going.
		Couldn't figure it out last week.
		This week, I've got it.
		I know why.
		The answers to that question are many.
		But the biggest portion of the answer, I believe, lies in the party that cried wolf, the Republican Party.
		There has been a consistent battering on talk radio and elsewhere of this administration for too many things that went nowhere.
		Whether or not they were true, whether or not they ultimately go anywhere, I don't know.
		But so far they have gone not to the president, Whitewater, the draft dodging, Paula Jones, marital infidelities, drug use, travel gate, Mrs. Clinton's New Age business.
		And really, we could go on and on and on.
		All of these things that the Clinton administration has been getting battered for, and the American people finally have sort of had it up to here.
		And they sound serious, the American public gets engaged, and then they don't go anywhere.
		So when you finally get something that really is important, like a very serious violation of Americans' privacy, the American people go, oh, well, it's just one more.
		So there you are.
		Here is a story, by the way, just came in.
		Washington.
		While some believe the character issue is a ticking time bomb for President Clinton, voters continue to shrug off the various scandals, impugning his integrity, according to a new poll.
		This is brand new.
		The same day that Clinton's personnel security chief resigned for improperly obtaining about 700, or is it 900 now files, a new NBC Wall Street Journal poll found that Clinton's lead over presumptive GOP nominee Bob Dole was holding steady at 17 points.
		Other surveys have shown it now down to about 15 points.
		So nothing has really changed, and it is now thought that the two-point drop is going to be recovered by the president.
		And there would have been a day I'd have said, no way.
		That is not this day.
		I think it probably will be.
		So there you have it.
		I've got a lot of other things I would like to get on the air.
		Here's somebody who sent me the top 10 list, the top 10 things, revealed and to be yet revealed from FileGate.
		10.
		Everybody blames the dead guy.
		9.
		It is learned at the White House that nobody knows who hired who, except for Hillary, who believes the voters hired her as president.
		8.
		The White House denies any security breach from the SNAFU.
		Only authorized interns and their immediate, close, immediate families had access to these files.
		7.
		Craig Livingstone is offered a job by Tonya Harding as head of security.
		It is reported that Tonya hired Mr. Livingstone because he looks just like the old guy she had.
		He does a little, doesn't he?
		Mr. Marcika is Gorbachev's brother.
		The Secret Service will be commended for their up-to-date security lists.
		As proof, the Secret Service shows how quickly names like Vince Foster and Ron Brown were deleted in a timely manner.
		Eleanor Roosevelt's fingerprints are found all over the Republican files.
		The files down in the basement were never read.
		They were only used to create giant coke lines on the adjacent copier glass.
		Tape recordings will be subpoenaed from the White House Counsel's office.
		However, when played, key parts have been recorded over with someone playing the saxophone.
		And number one, from behind bars, Mrs. Clinton is read the oath of office by Chief Justice Rehnquist.
		It seems FileGate didn't matter to the voters.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Yeah, this is Gary from Jackson, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And actually, I'm calling you from the middle of nowhere.
unidentified		I'm kind of up in the central Sierras.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, it's a call from the middle of nowhere to the middle of nowhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, what's on your mind?
unidentified		I think I wanted to tell everybody that at least part of the meaning of being here is indulge yourself in nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you're out there doing right now?
unidentified		Well, I'm out here.
		See, I drive to the top of this hill, and in the morning I go packing.
		And I know it seems like there's a quickening every time you're down in town, in the city or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But you get yourself out in nature, do it by yourself.
unidentified		And it seems like there's no quickening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is not.
		For you personally, and that is exactly why I live where I live.
		When I go outside, I could walk out there right now, and with the air the way it is out here in the desert and the lack of humidity and the fact that we don't have pollution, I can look up and I can see things, a sky that you, most of you in the city, have forgotten even exists.
		Even in Las Vegas, just over the hill from me, when you are in that valley and look up, you're lucky to see two or three on most nights of the brightest stars, and that's it.
		Here where I am, you look up and you see this great, foggy, cloudy, milky way.
		And it extends from one side of the sky to the other.
		And you see so many stars that it kind of gives you a different outlook on things.
		And that's why I'm where I am.
		And you walk out there and you can't hear anything.
		It is dead quiet.
		And so from a personal point of view, this is how I keep my center.
		And this is how, depressed or angry as I may get at anything, it resets me.
		And you've got to be able to do that to do this job over an extended period.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Is this Arbell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good guess.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		This is Fran from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I forgot about the delay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, turn your radio off and you won't have to worry about it.
unidentified		Yeah, I did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
unidentified		Have you heard anything about Robert Morning Sky?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he was struck by an automobile and he is recovering.
unidentified		Okay, and is that all?
unidentified		I mean, is he okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my understanding.
unidentified		When did that happen exactly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was in the last few weeks.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		That was all I wanted to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, have a good first-time callers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call Area 702-727-1222.
unidentified		Hava!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, Omaha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		What are your thoughts on possible terrorism at the Olympics?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a security force there that we have never seen the likes of which, but I'm sure that terrorists find that as an inviting challenge.
unidentified		It worries me, especially now with the stuff in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope I'm wrong.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think there will be terrorism?
unidentified		It seems like there's just so many wackos anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good observation.
		There are a lot of wackos out there right now.
		Thank you.
		Lots of wackos.
		And Phoenix now is online.
		Why don't we ask them what they think?
		Let us, as a matter of fact, do two things.
		Let me try to, for the balance of the hour.
		I've got some new affiliates.
unidentified		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I should hold the line open for them.
		And I should also hold the West of the Rockies line open for people in Phoenix.
		I would like to hear from them about this Viper, Alicia.
		So if you're in Phoenix, look, everybody else, hold on.
		West of the Rockies, let's hear from Phoenix, okay?
		That number is area code 800-618-8255.
		That's 800-618-8255.
		And let me reserve my East of the Rockies line for our friends in New Haven, Connecticut, listening to W-E-L-I-A-M, and KGFW in Kearney, Nebraska.
		So if you're listening to one of those two stations, call us now at 1-800-825-5033.
		That's 1-800-825-5033.
		And if everybody else would hold off, I would appreciate it for about an hour.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, this is Dave from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		It was a complete and absolute shock to hear what had happened today, knowing that just right here in my own backyard, I got a militia that's wanting to blow up federal buildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think the people there in Phoenix, of course, I guess it was all quiet, so they had no way of knowing it was going to come, but I bet it was a big surprise.
unidentified		Yeah, I was in the car when I heard it on the radio, and I was like, I just kind of pulled over, and I was thinking about it.
		And it just, you know, like complete, absolute shock.
		It was like getting hit in the head with a brick.
		Well, how do you feel about it?
		It makes me kind of nervous knowing that, you know, I've got two daughters, and it kind of makes me wonder, you know, I'm sitting here, I'm raising them in what kind of society.
		I mean, everything's quickening, you know, as you've been teaching us and talking about for going on a very long time now.
		And I'm wondering, what is it quickening to?
		What is the final destination?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		And what can we do in order to I don't think much collectively, but I think individually, if we each act responsibly.
		Sounds simple.
		But the more people that do that, the better the chance that this is not going to end in disaster.
		But if you want to know my personal view, it is that we have already passed the point of no return, and we are going on to whatever is next.
unidentified		Yeah, the little red light in the cockpit's been on for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		That's exactly right.
		Well, anyway, how far away from where the big bust took place?
unidentified		Oh, I'm all the way on the other side of town, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I live out on the airbase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you're glad of that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		They were interviewing people, you know, in the Phoenix neighborhood, and they were not surprised.
		One guy said, I've seen people coming and going with guns and all the rest of it.
		And I told my wife I wouldn't be surprised, but it was some kind of militia.
		Well, it was.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Providence, Rhode Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Providence, Rhode Island.
		All right.
		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Yeah, I must be here in Ottawa, New Haven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		Yeah, down here in the middle of the town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was just making a point in 92 when Clinton got elected.
		A bunch of people, I was in Birmingham at the time, and we had a march for the pro-life and how they just laughed.
		All the people were laughing at us because, hey, you guys, your cause is going away.
		You might as well just forget it and play, you know.
		And then when I moved back up here to New England, I met a lot of people my age that 92 were feeling very discouraged and talking about joining militia groups because of Clinton and them.
		And just, it seemed like everything was just going apot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pot.
unidentified		Well, I don't smoke it.
		But you know what I'm saying?
		Yeah, I know it's, but he didn't inhale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He didn't inhale.
unidentified		I heard a quote sometime.
unidentified		It says when something to the effect that when the public is not allowed to speak their case as far as all this people being put down by the liberals and everything like that, you can't get your message out, then it comes out another way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that just isn't true.
		I mean, we have this talk radio thing that allows the American people to speak out in public as never before.
		And yet, even given that, we're having more problems.
		How come?
unidentified		I just think the mistrust of the government and...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, for 30 more minutes, I'm holding open my West of the Rockies line for Phoenix, Arizona.
		That is where they busted the Viper militia that was all set to blow up a bunch of buildings in Phoenix.
		I imagine they have some thoughts on that.
		I sure would.
		I live there.
		I don't live there, and I have thoughts on it.
		Also have the lines open for our new affiliate in New Haven, Connecticut, WELI.
		If that's where you are, let me give you the number to call.
		Everybody else, hold off, and we'll continue to do this until the top of the hour.
		If you're listening to WELI in New Haven, 960 on the dial, the number to call is 1-800-825-5033.
		Everybody else, hold off.
		1-800-825-5033.
		Same for Kearney, Nebraska.
		KGFW.
		Call 1-800-825-5033.
		Two hours east of the Rockies line.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		I do.
unidentified		I have it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Marshall, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Marshall, Texas.
		Now, see, that's not New Haven, Connecticut.
		That's not Kearney, Nebraska.
		That's Marshall, Texas.
unidentified		Right, but I had a favor to ask.
		What?
		You were talking about you were going to be taking a trip to Russia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		And I was wondering if it's possible if you could pick me up a babushka doll.
unidentified		And I pay you for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that story before, so I go get myself a little doll, and I come home, and some customs guy wraps it on the table, and white powder comes tumbling out, and I'm gone forever, and it's because of you.
unidentified		I'll buy a picture of a restroom there in the hotel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'll work on it.
		I've got to go.
		We're holding this line for people in New Haven and Kearney, Nebraska.
		Bring home a doll.
		See, they tell you, don't do that.
		Don't do that.
		Don't carry things for other people.
		Well, I was getting it for this lady in Texas.
		Yeah, right, son.
		Tell it to the judge.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art, I'm calling from Kearney, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		If you please let me turn my radio down.
unidentified		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yep.
		Go right ahead.
		Curtis.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
		Art, I listened to you a little while ago.
		You were talking about that we may as in the United States go to war with Iran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think eventually it's inevitable, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, but Art, I think the United States has already done that.
unidentified		They just did it to another country, which was Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know how to break this to you, sir, but Iran is not Iraq.
		Iran is Iran.
		Iraq is Iraq.
		Look at the map.
		You'll see them.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Art.
		This is Vince from Phoenix.
		Yes, sir.
		And you can bring back something from Russia, too.
		What?
		How about some Alexandrite?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some Alexandrite?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's that?
unidentified		It's very expensive stone, but that's not why I called.
unidentified		The militia, the quote-unquote militia thing that occurred here today, I don't liken unto a normal militia movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, every time it's a militia, the militias call up and say, I'm not militia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know I understand, but what I'm saying is every time there is a story on militias, people call and say, this is not the militias.
unidentified		Well, it doesn't make sense to me that any self-righteous militia or one who chooses to protect the Constitution would need explosives.
		We discussed this today at work, and the only term that I could use for this particular group was more of a terrorist group than anything else.
		I don't agree with the use of the term as a militia.
		It doesn't fit my definition of what a militia should be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they call themselves a militia.
unidentified		Well, that's fine.
unidentified		And you've got the Hamas who can call themselves a militia, too, but we all have a different perspective on that from the outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think Phoenix is fairly shocked?
unidentified		Without question.
unidentified		Yeah, it was a major topic of discussion at my work today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I bet it was.
unidentified		There was a lot of concern concerning this type of thing going on in our own backyard, as was stated earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad they got them.
unidentified		Well, I am, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I sure hope that our country doesn't turn into a place that approximates Bosnia.
unidentified		Agreed.
		And to be quite honest, I hope that they have the guts to go forth and charge these people under the Terrorism Act or the new laws that they passed on those.
		Because I think that there's no way that anybody in their right mind, even themselves, could call themselves militia, just judging by the arsenal that they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate the call.
		Well, you know, I thought a lot about this.
		I mean, they are calling themselves a militia.
		Or did the media dub them a militia?
		No, I think they called themselves a militia.
		The Viper Militia has a name for you.
		Has it really come to the point where this many people have decided the only way to change things is going to be with bombs and bullets?
		Terrorism.
		Boy, what a lousy country this will be.
		You don't think it can happen here?
		Oh, wrong.
		Absolutely wrong.
		All right, again, I am holding open my line.
		For the listeners of WELI and KGFW in Kearney, Nebraska.
		WELI is our new affiliate in New Haven.
		If you're in one of those two places only, call us at 1-800-825-5033.
		If, on the other hand, you are in Phoenix, then call us at 1-800-618-8255.
		We're trying to get some feedback from Phoenix, and we're obviously going to be successful in that.
unidentified		Screams
		You are listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Connecticut.
		All right.
		I was out with a friend tonight, and he started talking about what's happening to the honeybees.
		Did you hear anything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		A great percentage of domestic honeybees are gone.
		Almost all of the wild honeybees are gone.
unidentified		So is this like something that's very important or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on how you view the process of pollination.
unidentified		That's what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say it's fairly important, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is apparently some sort of disease.
unidentified		It's a mite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a mite that is affecting them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's mighty worrisome, in my opinion.
unidentified		They said they all die, like 90% of them died already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've heard, yes.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		That's crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's a lot of what's going on in our world right now.
		Frogs are disappearing.
		A lot of the weather patterns are certainly changing.
		There's a lot going on.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, just wanted to see if you had anything else to say about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you for the call.
		That's Connecticut.
		Yeah, sure.
		Got a lot to say about it.
		I think these are indicators that something's up.
		Remember what Major Dames said.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Murray in Glendale, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glendale, Arizona.
unidentified		Yeah, just on the other side of Phoenix.
unidentified		Street sign in between us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Down there in Viper Country.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Hey, they kind of left out on that one.
		Somebody ran into these guys when they were practicing in their fatigues up in Prescott or someplace up in there.
		And then they've also been out in the desert doing bombs.
		But these guys asked them what they were doing.
		And these guys in the military ran them off in these fatigues.
		So then they reported to these guys, and then they've got an ATF agent in the group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah.
unidentified		Kinda un kinda undermined them there a little bit.
		So they infiltrated them and that's how they found out.
		So we were real lucky on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is lucky.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is, but I bet it shook up a lot of people down there.
unidentified		Oh man, I couldn't believe it when I heard it.
unidentified		I'm talking on one of your VTech portable phones from Bob King.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Love the phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		So does General McCat, the male.
unidentified		He keeps wanting to jump at the stabbing at the little area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because it wiggles in a very cat-like fashion.
unidentified		Yeah, so he loves it, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, don't let him chew your end.
		I'll tell you, cats are pretty bad about that.
		I've got, oh, well, I used to have, still have, really, a microphone with a little mic sock at the end of it.
		And I hold the mic sock over the microphone with a rubber band and some tape.
		And there is something about a mic sock that cats like.
		It's chewable.
		It's inviting.
		It's impossible, in fact, for a cat to ignore.
		So I'm continually putting on new mic socks because they chew it up.
		Mike socks.
		Yum, yum, yum.
unidentified		Cats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		This is Eric from Omaha, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Omaha?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		I need to make a correction there.
		A lot of people in the audience are kind of, I guess, liars, maybe.
		The pronunciation is Kearney, Nebraska, not Kearney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had it wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kearney, huh?
unidentified		A lot of your people are calling in and saying they were from Kearney or Kearney, and it's Karney.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kearney.
		Kearney.
		Kearney, Nebraska.
		All right, thank you very much.
		I appreciate that.
		Kearney, Nebraska.
		New Haven, Connecticut.
		I know I've got that one right, but I didn't know about Kearney.
		Could have been Kearney.
		But it's Kearney.
		Okay.
		Got that down, I guess.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bill in Phoenix.
		Hello, Bill.
		My own feeling on this Viper bit, I would rather sort of wait and see what the facts, even the facts as they come out in court, rather than make a judgment based on all the hype.
		About six months ago, when the Freeman bit was coming down, they had another, I guess you'd say, raid on a so-called militia member and a Freeman that was stockpiling ammunition and arms and all that.
		It turned out to be a 65-year-old dentist.
		Well, they stun grenaded his home all charges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but in this particular case, sir, they have a videotape detailing exactly how to place the explosives and so forth to bring down buildings in your town.
unidentified		I'll tell you, using 400 pounds of ammonium nitrate to bring down the buildings mentioned is sort of like saying, let's take out an M1A1 tank with a .22.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree with you, and I'm not saying that they could have or would have taken out all of those buildings.
		That was their target list, and they were obviously intent on taking out some of them.
		It was also an instructional videotape so that other people might learn how to take down buildings.
		So that's right.
		I mean, that 400 pounds, as far as I know, would not have done the job.
		But it would have made a big bang.
		400 pounds.
		That'd be a big bang.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Sam from Fairview, Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program, Sam.
unidentified		I understand that you own guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		And I believe I heard you say one time that they would have to pry your gun out of your cold, dead hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said that, and I say it again now.
unidentified		If someone were to come and take your gun, just what exactly could you do to try to stop them from taking your gun?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're saying that there would be a general collection effort and they'd be going around knocking on the door of everybody who owned a gun and taking them, is that what you're talking about?
unidentified		Basically, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then there'd be a revolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have this thing called the Second Amendment.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about you?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you take the Second Amendment seriously?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which part of the Second Amendment don't you understand?
unidentified		By the time these people get to your front door, it's already late.
		You're already in a situation like Waco.
		You're holed up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are some things worth dying for, sir, and if they are going to truly subvert the Constitution on a national basis, then there is going to be a revolution.
unidentified		The military and other agencies like CIA, FBI, have think tanks where they go through what if, what if there was a war between a civil war between liberals and conservatives, or gun owners and non-gun owners.
		The liberals who don't want any guns in the house, don't want us to have guns in our houses.
		If there's a war between the liberals and the conservatives who have guns, the liberals will lose because they don't have any guns.
		They don't have anything to shoot if there's any kind of revolution or civil war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you.
		But that isn't the way it's going to come down.
		If there's going to be a conflict, obviously, the way it's shaping up, it's going to be between right-wing fanatic groups and our government.
		And I don't think this has a thing to do with a war between liberals and conservatives.
		Most liberals, most conservatives, are more or less in the middle, believe it or not.
		Now, just because on a talk show you hear from each radical fringe doesn't mean that that's representative.
		The majority of the people in America are still in the middle.
		So could there be a conflict?
		Yes.
		Between what groups?
		Well, probably right-wing, radical, possibly even left-wing radical under the right circumstances, but mainly right-wing radical groups.
		And the government.
		Do I think they're going to go around, collect the guns, negate the Second Amendment?
		No, I don't.
		If they were to do so on a national basis, I believe it would be a revolution.
		Just like if the government suddenly said there is no longer freedom of speech.
		All right?
		All these talk shows will hereby be closed down.
		Freedom of speech is now negated.
		There'd be a revolution, wouldn't there?
		So I hope that answers your question.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Art, I wonder if I could ask you to...
unidentified		I'm in San Antonio, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're holding this line open now for New Haven, Connecticut, and Kearney, Nebraska.
		So call us after the top of the hour.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		My name is Nick.
unidentified		I'm from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to tell you something concerning the whole Peoria aspect.
		Not only is it frightening and nerve-wracking, it's also embarrassing.
		I mean, I'm originally from California, and people just know what a beautiful state Arizona is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it really hurts.
		It really, really hurts.
		I am 23 years old, and I'm actually frightened about these militia groups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty shocked when you heard the thing about the Viper?
unidentified		It's scary.
		I first heard it clocking on going into work.
		And it's terrifying.
		It really, really is, especially when you live 25, 30 minutes away from these targets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm with you.
		I think it's frightening, and I think that we're going to have to do something about it, or one day we are going to have an America that people just frankly don't believe can be.
		They don't think it can happen here.
		They're wrong.
		It can.
unidentified		It can.
		And parents and grandparents used to say, you know, in America's future, it's going to be tougher on our kids.
		I'll tell you right now, it's actually happening.
		It really is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		It really is happening now.
		The caller is correct.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Mr. Thomas, truck driver.
unidentified		Been picking you up out of South Carolina into East Tennessee off of 1100.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate that, but we're holding this open right now for Connecticut.
unidentified		I got out of the truck and had to come into pipe on, so I didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		We've been saying that for the last half hour.
		I appreciate your call, sir, but I've got to move on.
unidentified		Thanks, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		It's Mike in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
unidentified		Yeah, I was talking about this so-called militia group, the Vipers, here.
		Yes.
		Yeah, I would have to say I wouldn't really consider them a militia group discussing their intent.
		I would consider them a group of criminals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they call themselves a militia.
unidentified		Yeah, but if I were to run a stoplight and call myself the president, it wouldn't make me one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what makes a militia a militia, then?
unidentified		Well, according to the United States Code, I believe Section 10, anyone between the ages of 17 and 47.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would they not be included?
unidentified		Well, yeah, they would fall into that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I rest my case.
unidentified		But that would mean every media who's saying all these horrible things about the militia is the militia, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely correct.
unidentified		But these guys are just a bunch of criminals, as far as I'm concerned.
unidentified		I mean, anybody going around discussing and making active plans to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's look at what they believe.
		They believe that it's time to begin killing people and blowing things up because the government is that far out of control.
		That's what they believe.
unidentified		Yeah, but it's not that far out of control.
unidentified		The way to fight what the government's doing is at the polls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly correct.
		Yes.
		You bet.
unidentified		Yeah, get your voice or vote.
		I mean, these militia groups, what they need is some good people.
		Some of these real militia groups, if anybody's listening from a real militia group, you guys need to go out and educate the public in good things like CPR, first aid, get some good press.
		They need to go out and do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've not been getting good press out there.
unidentified		Yeah, they should go out and do something good for the community and say, look, you know, we're all not a bunch of maniacs blowing things up.
		I mean, right now I wouldn't want to be associated with a militia group, and I'm not eligible.
		I'm a member of the National Guard.
		In fact, one of the buildings they planned to blow up was very close to where I do duty once a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's exactly right.
		The armory building there?
unidentified		Yeah, that was just up the hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine this is going to cause a lot of thinking there in Arizona, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people are going to sit down and think about this.
unidentified		And unfortunately, it probably caused a lot of negative thinking.
		They've been throwing a lot of liberal laws out here lately.
		Just in Mesa, they just passed a no smoking anywhere public ban, which I think is kind of a...
		Outside, in parking lots, on the sidewalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		A lot of people are trying to make this like California West.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I've got to run, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you were part of the West, and now it's like you're part of California.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of
		July, 1996.
		Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
		You're listening to ArtVelle, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring coast to coast a.m.
		From the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, here we go.
		Hi, Art.
		Yes, it is true.
		You cannot smoke in public in Mesa, Arizona.
		About the only place you can smoke is in your home, which may be short-lived.
		Only bars have an exception.
		My idea is that if you cannot smoke in public, then how come the stores there sell cigarettes?
		What do you do with them?
		Well, I just got a call from somebody who lives in Mesa who said you can smoke.
		Actually, you can walk down the sidewalk and smoke.
		Is that true or not?
		But you can't smoke in line.
		Even if you're outside waiting to get into a restaurant or a movie or something like that, you're not allowed to smoke.
		Even outside.
		But I'm led to understand you can smoke on the sidewalk.
		Is that true?
		Or is that false?
		I guess I'd better try to hear from some people in Mesa.
		Let me hold open the line for Mesa.
		I want to talk to Mesa.
		Mesa people.
		Is it true?
		Can you or can you not go down the sidewalk and smoke?
		Hmm?
		Art, since I didn't catch the first two hours of your show tonight, I assumed you had probably already talked about the earthquake here in the Bay Area Sunday night.
		You had a caller this last hour from San Rafael said he was still waiting for it.
		In case you haven't heard, there was a 3.5 quake in Northern California Sunday at 9.33 p.m.
		It was centered seven miles north-northwest of Pacifica in the San Andreas fracture area.
		I believe this would be within the 70-mile radius of San Jose, as Mr. Birklund mentioned Friday night, Tim, in Foster City.
		Oh, yes, indeed.
		And I did talk about it, and yes, it is definitely a hit.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm 13, and my name's Ethan, and I listen to you in Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		13 years old, up at 3 o'clock in the morning?
unidentified		Well, it's summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and what time do you get up during the day?
unidentified		Well, I set my alarm for 10, but I usually sleep in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Till noon, 1 o'clock?
unidentified		Um, yeah, me and my friend are both like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		We're going out to buy fireworks tomorrow, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you allowed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of fireworks can you get up there?
unidentified		Um, well, there's still one kind that make a bang.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And they're called Hellza Poppin'.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're called what?
unidentified		Hellz-a-Poppin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hell's-a-poppin'?
unidentified		Yeah, and you can get them, like, in the store and stuff.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we've got a whole bunch of ones that go bang.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		My friend goes up to Indian reservations, and there they can sell whatever they want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And he gets all sorts of M90, Ummah, M90s, like black hats and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I haven't had a good M80 or 90 in a long time.
unidentified		Oh, we do them every year, because his dad, when he was a little boy, did them all the time.
unidentified		So he still has a whole bunch left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you've got to be very careful.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		I've been meaning to call, but I haven't tried till now because I heard that guy talk about Dr. Laura Schleshinger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		And it's kind of funny because I can hear my mom listening to it in the other room.
unidentified		Every night I listen to you and she listens to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's like War of the Talk shows, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, pretty much.
unidentified		I try to get her to listen to you, and she's tried to get me to listen to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're in the right place.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just tell her.
		No, you better not tell her that.
		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call and take care.
		I have never heard Dr. Loris Lessinger.
		You know, so I really can't comment.
		I've never heard her.
		And so there you are.
		I think she's usually on during the day, isn't she?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, this is Ann, and I live in St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Ann.
unidentified		And I was just wanting to know how is Comet doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Comet is doing very well indeed.
unidentified		Good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a picture of Comet up on the internet.
unidentified		Oh, well, I don't have a computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The next newsletter, Comet will be there.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		Okay, good.
		I get your newsletter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Okay, great.
		And also, one more thing.
		I heard that Elizabeth Dole, she took a leave of absence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		There you go.
		Took a leave of absence from the Red Cross.
		I heard that Elizabeth Dole made an appointment with Bob Dole to discuss the campaign.
		She had to make an appointment with him and come into his office like anybody else to discuss the campaign.
		Isn't that something?
		Imagine that.
		Oh, yes.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, I wanted to comment on the Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in Mesa?
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix, which Mesa is a suburb of Phoenix.
		That's right.
		And I wanted just to mention that the undertow, I think, that nobody has mentioned about Mesa is the Mormon Temple.
		There is quite an influence in Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but look, that's true.
		There's a lot of Mormons here.
		A lot of Mormons here.
		But even up in Salt Lake City, you can smoke.
unidentified		Well, sure, but I don't know other than the fact that some of that is attributable to the Mormon Church and their Puritan values.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you would think they would have similar laws up in Salt Lake City.
unidentified		Wouldn't they?
unidentified		Maybe you will have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, first in Mesa?
unidentified		But, first of all, as I understand it, you cannot smoke on the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Only in the car and in your home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		And I have a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keith, who runs my webpage, called me.
		He lives in Mesa.
		And he was trying to defend Mesa.
		And he said, oh, no, you can smoke on the sidewalk.
unidentified		No, I don't think that's accurate at all.
		From what I've heard, the only two places that you can smoke are in your car and in your home.
		Any other place is prohibited.
		I have an 82-year-old mother who is blessed with good health.
		She smokes, and She absolutely will not go into Mesa anymore.
		She found herself in a store, in a retail store, realized it was Mesa, and walked out.
		She likewise won't even drive.
		she tried to drive around mason out just wanted to mention the fact that I'm going to open the line for people in Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll go right to the heart of the problem and find out how.
unidentified		Well, I hope you hear from a lot more people in Mesa.
		Even though it's predominantly, it may not be predominantly Mormon anymore because it has such a huge growth.
		Nevertheless, the predominant politics and who runs the town are the Mormons.
		It has to do with their Puritan values.
		And I really appreciate the Mormons.
		I think they have a lot of fine values in their life and everything.
		So I'm not criticizing them for that purpose, but I do believe that that has an influence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Well, maybe it does.
		Who knows?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Pshh
unidentified		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, I hereby restrict my West of the Rockies line to people in Mesa only.
		Mesa, Mesa, Mesa, anybody not in Mesa, do not call that number.
		If you're in Mesa, call now at 1-800-618-8255.
		Let us straighten this out now.
		1-800-618-8255.
		Is it or is it not true that you can smoke or not?
		Can you not smoke on the sidewalk walking down the street?
		Yes or no?
		Mesa, Arizona only.
		Good morning.
		Are you in Mesa?
		Hello there.
		No, you're not.
unidentified		See?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody calling trying to sneak in.
		That line is hereby restricted to Mesa, Arizona.
		Are you in Mesa, Arizona?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		I'm Jeremy from Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeremy from Mesa.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Jeremy, what is the story?
unidentified		Well, it's my understanding that it is publicly restricted as far as on the street, anywhere but as the lady you just spoke to, in your house and in your car.
unidentified		That's the understanding I have of the law that took effect as of July 1st.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		July 1st?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as of yesterday?
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call.
		That's one.
		You've got to be kidding.
		How can they do that?
		How can they do that?
		On the sidewalk?
		Well, let's...
		Are you in Mesa?
unidentified		No, I was coming from Salt Lake, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you guys allowed to smoke in Salt Lake?
unidentified		No, we are not allowed to smoke in any public places, which...
		Walking down the sidewalk would be considered a public place.
		It's not strictly enforced, however.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do you have your radio on?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off, please.
unidentified		It's really a pain in the neck.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
unidentified		So I just, you had mentioned that WISE started in Mesa, and the whole state of Utah, it is illegal to smoke in any public place.
		What?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As of when?
unidentified		Oh, years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not coming up to Utah.
unidentified		Yeah, well, you know, that happens, and they were worried about that with the Olympics coming in 2002, and with all that odd liquor laws up here.
		But you can smoke in private clubs, which is what a bar has to be in order to serve alcohol.
		You have to be a member of that club.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		So I just, I wanted to let you know about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So there may have been some Mormon influence down there.
unidentified		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who knows?
		All right.
		Thank you.
		All right.
		That line is now restricted to Mesa, Arizona.
		I'm bound and determined to find out the truth.
		Can you or can you not smoke on a sidewalk in Mesa, Arizona?
		Hello, are you in Mesa, Arizona?
		You're on the air.
		Hello?
		No, you're not.
		See, people trying to cheat.
		I want people in Mesa, Arizona only.
		1-800-618-8255.
		Hello, are you in Mesa, Arizona?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're on the air.
unidentified		Cool.
unidentified		Yeah, it's true that you can't smoke in public places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that mean the sidewalk?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
unidentified		I believe so.
unidentified		I mean, actually, I heard like 60 to 70 feet from any type of building that you can't smoke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm serious.
unidentified		I don't even know what the fines are if you're caught smoking, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do they do to you?
unidentified		I have no idea.
unidentified		Well, Mesa, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		There is another person who claims he's in Mesa.
		I wish I knew a good test so I could really know if people are in Mesa.
		How can I know?
		Make them name a landmark or something.
		That's what I'll do.
		Good morning.
		Are you in Mesa, Arizona?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Dave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dave, name a famous landmark in Mesa so I can know you're really in Mesa.
unidentified		Oh, well, you caught me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you're not amazed at what it Total jerk.
		Total jerk.
		Lying his butt off just to get on the air.
		West of the Rockies, are you in Mesa, Arizona?
		Hello there.
		No, see, another wannabe.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, Art, concerning making laws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In different places, they have different laws.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a true statement.
unidentified		Okay, but now the Bible never changes, but these laws are planning, they change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so it would seem, yes.
unidentified		So it's according to where you are and according to why you're enforcing them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then where in the Bible does it say you can't smoke?
unidentified		Nowhere.
		There you are.
		It's not in there.
		But there's a lot of other things that's not in there also that people try to say it in there, you know.
		But anyway, the Bible is the way to go, Art.
		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it didn't.
unidentified		Lord, I tell you, when it comes down to these political groups, you know, you have the left and you have the right.
		But you have the center of the road, which is the kingdom that Christ set up.
		Now, we should be under that kingdom and we should...
		Sure, he set up a kingdom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, thank you.
unidentified		But it should have been, well, a kingdom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Should have been a democracy.
		Good morning.
		Are you in Mesa, Arizona?
		Nope.
unidentified		See?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mesa only.
		I'm telling you.
		Mesa only.
		At 1-800-618-8255.
		And I will make you prove you're in Mesa.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Are you in Mesa?
		Yes, he's listening to his radio.
		Another pretender.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Art, I'm from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Minneapolis, all right?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		See, I want to discuss political things with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What political things?
unidentified		Well, a few nights ago, you had a caller that said Newt Gingrich's budget.
unidentified		Remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That said what?
unidentified		On Newt Gingrich's budget.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about it?
unidentified		A million and a half kids are starving?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		The Newt Gingrich budget never went through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but, you know, that's what he accused.
unidentified		He accused it, but the budget never went through, so how could the kids be starving?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're theoretically starving.
unidentified		No, but he was putting it on New Testament.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		I think I said at the time it was ridiculous.
unidentified		Well, yes, you did.
unidentified		But the point was that the budget had never been passed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point, sir.
		Thank you.
		Yes, indeed.
		Correct.
		West of the Rockies, are you in Mesa?
unidentified		Yes, I am, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, is your radio off?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you name a famous landmark in Mesa?
unidentified		Mesa Community College, which I currently attend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough.
		All right.
		You should know what is the current law in Mesa as of July 1st.
unidentified		It is that you cannot smoke on the streets at all, either.
unidentified		You can only smoke in your car and in your house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure of that?
unidentified		And it did start today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		That's a good question.
		Which is weird because Mesa is very much a part of the quickening because it has, especially Mesa Community College.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		There's lots of drugs and lots of kids running around and stuff like that.
unidentified		Well, no, of course not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just kidding.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		I'll see you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		All right.
		So there is somebody from Mesa who says it's true.
		You can't even smoke on the sidewalk.
		You can't smoke on the street in Mesa.
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		Woo!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a little Nazi-like for my taste.
		That's what I said to Keith.
		He said, well, I've been called that before.
		Yeah, me too.
		It's an inside joke.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you in Mesa?
unidentified		I'm about a half a mile from Mesa Amphitheater, just going into work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that means you're really in Mesa.
		All right.
		So is what everybody's saying true?
unidentified		It sure is.
unidentified		The way I understand it from reading the paper and from listening to talk radio down here that you've got to be within, if you're within 15 feet of a public building, you can't smoke, which just covers the sidewalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Oh, my.
		How are people in Mesa taking it?
unidentified		Well, I guess the non-smokers, for the most part, the non-smokers are just kind of figures that everybody else is just blowing smoke, I suppose.
		A lot of the smokers are really kicked off about it.
		I used to smoke.
		I don't smoke anymore.
		And I really think it's none of their business.
		You know, if somebody wants to walk down the sidewalk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are they going to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if they catch somebody smoking on the sidewalk, what are they going to do to them?
unidentified		Sidewalk police.
		I don't know, baby.
		They may so who knows what they're going to do.
		I don't know how they're going to enforce it.
		It's just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm saddened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's part of the quickening.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		There's another Mesa call.
		Well, you know what my schedule is.
		God, isn't it smoking on the sidewalk?
		You've got to be kidding.
		But I guess you're not.
		Unbelievable.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hey.
		Hi, Bell.
		This is Clint from Stevens Point, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, about them guys out there in Arizona.
unidentified		I'm glad they caught them before it got, you know, into another standoff situation and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or worse yet, until a bunch of innocent people were killed.
unidentified		Really?
		Another thing you guys are talking about, weird, dumb laws.
		The city of Madison, Wisconsin, last week, I guess it was, passed a law that said no intoxicated people can be in bars.
		Absolutely true, I swear to God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, it does not matter whether you've got a designated driver or not, you can't get drunk in a bar?
unidentified		That's right, they can't even I wonder how they make that judgment.
		I don't know.
		I wonder how they can enforce it.
		You know, where are you supposed to go to drink now?
		Either your home or you can't be on the street because that's public drunkenness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe the bars will have to have a little breathalyzer machine right there by the door.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And every time you finish your drink, you've got to go over.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And once you reach a certain level, they've got to say no.
unidentified		Yeah, there you go.
		Another thing, I listened to you on 1110 out of Omaha, Nebraska up here, but it comes in real in and out sometimes.
		Do you know of a local affiliate up north here?
		Maybe I could pick you up a little better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where are you?
unidentified		Stevens Point, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stevens Point.
		Let me see.
		It seems to me that WSPO in Stevens Point carries the show.
unidentified		Okay, cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's 11, or excuse me, 10-10 on the dial.
unidentified		10-10.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome, sir.
		Take care.
		Right there in your own town.
		You're straining to hear it from a long ways Away, huh?
		All right, well, I've taken enough calls that I guess I believe what I'm hearing.
		So there you are.
		You've got to be careful what you vote for.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		We're in the world on fire, no one could save me for you.
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		A strange world desire will make foolish people do Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell somewhere in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, well, Richard, who says he's too damn close to Mesa, writes the following.
		Yes, it is true.
		You cannot smoke in Mesa except in your car or your home.
		Outside is forbidden also.
		There is a $200 fine if you're caught more than once.
unidentified		Yikes!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going for soft enforcement now, warnings and such, at the moment.
		KFYI has been making fun of Mesa all day long on the broadcast, no kidding.
		Although the restaurants and bars will lose patrons, also bowling alleys and such, it does not matter to Mesa Dustapo.
		They've already lost several conventions that have canceled.
		We used to go to Mesa restaurants, but no more, of course.
		Like any signs of Richard, too damn close to Mesa.
		Oh, Mesa, what have you done?
		Hello, Art.
		Mesa lost two conventions months ago when they found out the ban advance.
		The conventions were small, but indicative of things to come.
		One was $24,000, the other $120,000.
		Well, that's pretty big.
		The weak-minded sheep support these bans because they like to impose their lifestyles on everybody else's freedom.
		They will someday find out this was just a test on social manipulation.
		For instance, how to control the minds of people.
		Maybe divide this country by targeting and singling out lifestyles, then planting this seed of hate.
		Through the government-run media.
		What's next?
		How about fat people buying fatty foods?
		That's a good point.
		Or maybe in Mesa, if you're too skinny, they will know that you're smoking and you will be under arrest because we all know that when people stop, they gain weight.
unidentified		Man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's awful.
		I mean, that really sucks.
		The way I understand it, going down the sidewalk in the city of Mesa, which is a pretty big city, you can't smoke.
		That's crazy.
		What has happened to us?
		Have we lost our collective minds?
		I'm telling you.
unidentified		The end is near.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		All right.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		I was calling about the smoking law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I used to work down in L.A. County, and you're talking about the fines.
		Back in the 80s when I quit smoking, the reason why I quit smoking was partly because of the fines.
		Got caught smoking in buildings.
		It was a $100 fine.
		Second violation, $200.
		Third violation, $300.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fourth violation, and they do to you what the Saudis did to those guys over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lop your head off.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now let me see you light one up.
unidentified		No, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Used to be in the old days, before they were going to execute you, you were allowed to have a last cigarette.
unidentified		Oh, now it's against the law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess so, huh?
unidentified		That's right.
		Anyway, that you like that information.
		Don't come to California with the smoker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, all right.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, or this.
		High art, I think this smoking ban in Mesa will make a good test for the U.S. Supreme Court.
		Yeah, me too.
		Dave in La Mesa, California.
		Me too.
		I mean, this is basic freedom.
		When you're talking about the sidewalk outside, then you're talking about basic freedom, as far as I'm concerned.
		You know, this shouldn't be anybody's business.
		Mesa is screwed up.
		I can understand inside public buildings, okay.
		Even restaurants, if you want to get crazy, okay.
		But outside on the sidewalk, in the city, come on.
		Aw, come on, folks.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Uh, yeah, put the brad in Mace, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Brad.
unidentified		Yeah, those are calling on the uh on the smokers law.
		Yeah, the uh the law isn't expected as of July 1st.
		Um, I'm I'm told it's not really going to be heavily enforced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a smoker?
unidentified		Uh no, not anymore.
		Uh but the fact is that if they wanted to enforce it, they could.
		They have a lot of bicycle patrol.
		They have a lot of police on bicycles.
		It would be easy to drive up on somebody and slap a ticket on them.
		It is going to be a $200 fine after the second offense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yikes.
unidentified		So either Nesa wants to make a lot of money, because the population is over 300,000 in Mesa right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how the police there feel about having to look out for smokers, stop them, ticket them, warn them even once, and then ticket them.
		I can't you do that again, son, it's going to be the big house.
		You know, whatever it is they're going to do, I wonder how the cops in Mesa.
		Now I want to hear from a Mesa cop.
unidentified		Well, I'm sure you'll get one online.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I hereby restrict my West of the Rockies line for a Mesa cop.
unidentified		I have a quick comment on one of the T-Crane radios.
unidentified		I bought one of the TV band radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the TV radio, they call it.
unidentified		Excellent reception.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		I want to get to say one thing.
		You don't really mention about the durability of it.
		I was driving to work long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's built like a tank.
unidentified		It is beautiful.
		I dropped it off of my motorcycle going about 60 miles an hour.
		It was a little scratched up.
		None of the buttons were broken, and it works fine to this day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you dropped it doing 60 miles an hour?
unidentified		Yeah, down the highway on my motorcycle.
unidentified		I went back to find it on the side of the road all scratched up, and it's working beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty cool.
unidentified		Okay, Eric, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
		I hereby restrict my West of the Rockies line for a Mesa comp.
		How about it?
		Let's hear from you.
		1-800-618-8255.
		Everybody else hang up.
		I will ask you a key question so I know that you're telling the truth.
		Let's see what can I ask.
		Something about the Mesa Police Department.
		I guess.
		I want a Mesa cop.
		Everybody else hang up.
		I wonder how they feel about enforcing something like this.
		The smoking police.
		The number is 1-800-618-8255 if you're a Mesa cop.
		If you're not, don't call.
		Only Mesa cops.
unidentified		Only Mesa cops.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 1st of July, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To Mesa, Arizona, and a security guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I live in the city of Mesa, but I work in the city of Tempe.
		So I know exactly, and from firsthand today, how this smoking law has affected people.
		And I have the Arizona Republic in front of me that states what you can and can't do about smoking in Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did Benson do a cartoon on it?
unidentified		No, there is no cartoon about Benson on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		What it says in here is no smoking in restaurants or pool halls and no more congregating near front doors by smokers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you not smoke in a pool hall?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody knows that the pool bone and the smoking bone go together.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, what it states here is that every full service bar or establishment with a class 6 license is allowed to have smokers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a class 6 license.
unidentified		A class 6 liquor license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And where it also says that establishments with a class 7 liquor license and class 12 liquor license are not allowed to have smokers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what all that means.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's now how would you like to be if you were a cop instead of a security guard and you had to arrest people for smoking?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I would feel kind of foolish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you?
unidentified		I smoke myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		And I smoke proudly, we'll say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not in Mesa, I bet you don't.
unidentified		well, it's not going to stop me.
		In fact, according to the article in the paper here, that, I bet people are going to be hiding issues.
		But according to the paper here, it says that you're not allowed to smoke in front of a business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, if you're downtown, you're always in front of some kind of business.
unidentified		Well, you can stretch this as far as saying, well, I'm on the edge of the sidewalk next to the road.
		I am not directly in front of this business.
		I'm not window shopping.
		I'm not right next to your business.
		I'm not at your front door.
		I am in an area where it really does not affect anybody by my secondhand smoking.
		And that's what Proposition 200, the smoking law, is actually all about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I bet they could arrest you and say, tell it to the judge.
unidentified		And I would fight tooth and nail every way for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		You're on the air coast to coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Hi, I'm turning the radio down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Oh, just about 60 degrees north near the Alberta Northwest Territories border.
		Yes, sir.
		I'm in total withdrawal.
		I've been stuck up here a little bit too far out of range of most of your stations down there for a while, and I'm going crazy.
		You're the best thing that's happened to this part of the Internet in a long time, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, are you hearing it on the Internet?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mean you're so far up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far up are you?
unidentified		Oh, probably about 700 miles north of the 49th, at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's way up, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, we're doing pretty good.
		Listen, I'd really like to address, you know, the people that are beefing about smoking and all that.
		I mean, we get forest fires.
		We get a lot of things that contaminate, you know, one's body.
		I really have a hard time understanding how they would actually care about that when we got bio, you know, the antibiotics are not working as good anymore.
		There are so many more things coming up.
		Are they bored?
		Are they that bored?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		That they have to pick on the little thing.
unidentified		I'm sorry, but if you're going to do that, you might as well be a mess riding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I agree with you, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I mean, I picture people hiding behind dipsy dumpsters.
		You probably see a big bush with Smoke slowly rising out of it.
		It's going to be rough in Mesa.
		Rough, I'm telling you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		This is Nick.
unidentified		Mesa, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Nick.
unidentified		Last time I saw you, we were headed for Hong Kong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
unidentified		You get a little bit of misinformation on that, our smoke-free early monsoon Silver Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah?
unidentified		A little misinformation.
		It's not against a lot of smoke on the street.
		What they have removed is ashtrays, your smoking areas outside of buildings waiting to get in.
		From all your government offices, all your...
		You're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well that would include the sidewalk in front of the building you know what i want to talk about it so then if you're why if you're walking along the sidewalk you are constantly walking in front of buildings well of course but You can't?
unidentified		Those smoking areas are banned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But we can walk down the street huffing and puffing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not from what I'm hearing.
unidentified		Well, you're getting a little bit misinformation.
		I have the article in front of me.
		I read the paper.
		I just got off work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, I say, if you walk down the sidewalk in Mesa, in the city, and you're walking in front of public buildings, you're technically in violation of the law.
unidentified		Not legally.
		I wouldn't believe so.
		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how many feet from a public building must you be?
unidentified		Well, what the ordinance says is your outstanding areas where your smoking areas are, where if you and I were going to take a break, so we go outside and smoke, those no longer exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		I appreciate it, but you're not being clear.
		And to me, it does sound like if your X number of, in other words, if you're going along the sidewalk, you are consistently passing in front of public buildings.
		And the law says within so many feet of a public building.
		Oh, I'll tell you, it's going to be rough times in Mesa.
		People hiding.
		Smoke drifting out of unlikely places.
		People who previously had been able to come out of their office building into the fresh air and smoke now can't.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, I are, KEX Portland.
unidentified		What a thrill to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, it's been a long time.
unidentified		It sure has, my friend.
		Listen, just a quick comment on the smoking.
		I think that guy from Alaska was right.
		I think there's going to be more of this type of asinine laws because they can't really do anything about the real problems.
		But just a quick report from Oregon, a very liberal state.
		I don't understand the anomaly, but as of midnight, July 1st, I believe we are the first state in the nation to have instant gun checks.
		You buy them right over the counter now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's wonderful.
unidentified		Right over the counter.
		It's a five-minute phone call.
		If you're clear and you haven't been in a bughouse or you're not a felon, bam, you've got the gun.
		You walk out the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where it ought to be.
unidentified		Okay, pal.
unidentified		Keep up the good work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		I'll take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it ought to be.
		You know, this waiting thing is ridiculous.
		I'm all for checks.
		I don't want to sell guns to felons.
		But they can check.
		And it is now my understanding that those states that have established instant checks can sell instant guns, and there's no reason not to.
		You have a God-given right to self-protection.
		And nobody on earth, as far as I am concerned, or in government, can take that away from you, or should.
		To me, the Second Amendment is clear.
		If you want to buy a gun, you ought to be able to buy a gun.
		And I think when all the fighting is ended, it's going to end up to be that way.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is John from Spokane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		Hi.
		I just thought of something.
		The descriptions you're giving, smoking, smoke coming out of bushes and stuff, it's starting to sound like what pot smokers go through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit, yes, a little bit, I suppose so.
unidentified		And I'm thinking this is going to make people who smoke tobacco kind of, well, realize what it's like to smoke pot, in essence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suppose they'll get a taste of it, so to speak.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And I think that a lot of the smokers that supported Nancy Reagan are going to start, well, they're going to start seeing that the ball they got started rolling is rolling back over them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if you're allowed to smoke in a Mesa jail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably not, huh?
unidentified		I don't know, but I could imagine an awful lot of tobacco smoking in the next couple of weeks or months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean civil disobedience?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, like hundreds of thousands, well, maybe hundreds of smokers lighting up, so to speak, in front of the police station and saying, we want to turn ourselves in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here are my cigarettes, cuff me.
unidentified		Well, you know, maybe if there were 2,000 smokers lighting up in front of a jail that had 150, 200 cells, and we want to turn ourselves in.
		You know, smokers from around the country busting in.
		Well, just a thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is that a good one, sir?
		Thank you.
		We need that question answered.
		Can you smoke in a Mesa jail?
		If you are arrested as a smoker, you know, after the $200 fine or whatever, and then you're thrown in the Mesa Pokey, can you smoke there?
		Probably not, huh?
		Or is it hypocritical?
		Can you have a smoke in the Mesa jail?
		Who knows?
		West, no, make that wildcard line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Ritt Meister Gerhardt, Oakland, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Hype Meister.
unidentified		I recognize what this last guy was saying.
		As a pot smoker myself, but not ever a tobacco smoker, I can attest to the fact that your aim improves considerably after a couple of tokes.
		You know, I don't know what it does after tobacco, but that guy had a good point.
		And I think that, you know, smokers' rights people, no matter what they smoke, we can all sort of join hands and march arm in arm down the street to defeat the fascist police state.
		Well, you know, remember, fascists are leftists, to defeat the fascist police state.
		And hey, I'm also not surprised that this might have something to do with a religion, i.e.
		the Mormons.
		Think so?
		This is the gist that I got, that, you know, the Mormons are no smoking, no drinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they are, that's.
unidentified		And the guy that said that Mesa is heavily Mormonized, I, you know, this doesn't surprise me at all.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it does, it does.
		All right, Heightmaster, thank you.
		It does surprise me.
		I mean, to me, it's going too far.
unidentified		Too far?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too far.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, hello.
unidentified		Yes, who is this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn that radio down.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Let's do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who are you expecting?
unidentified		R.B. Bingo.
unidentified		Yes, I just wanted to tell you, this is Kevin out of Pulaski, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pulaski, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to guess that.
unidentified		You got a great show, and I've always enjoyed it.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for the last three years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I really enjoyed your show.
unidentified		That's basically what I wanted to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what.
		I have never had Pulaski, Tennessee take the honors before.
		In fact, I've never even had a call from Pulaski, Tennessee, now that I think about it.
		Do you know what the honors are?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do it.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Pulaski, Tennessee, he says, good night, America.
		And from the high desert, I just can't believe it.
		Mesa, Arizona, they've gone crazy down there.
		Ah, well, from the high desert, where you can still smoke them if you got them.

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