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June 14, 1996 - Art Bell
01:11:24
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing
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I got an email from the major, I can't recall what it was, some weeks ago actually.
You know I got something, I have something called Arts Parts, that were sent to me, ostensibly pieces of the crashed Roswell saucer.
And we've been putting them through rigorous scientific testing.
As a matter of fact, the results, very anomalous results of that testing, are available to be seen on my webpage now.
Uh, and it's, it's remarkable material.
Bismuth and magnesium layered, uh, in a way that has a lot of people jumping.
I don't want to get too far out of the game right now.
Uh, and some of the, uh, aluminum parts and the spectrography and the, uh, scanning, uh, microscope, uh, pictures are all up on the Internet.
It's www.artbell.com.
www.artbell.com, and I suspect, if not already, and I know Keith, so he's probably got a link to the major's webpage already as well up there, so you'd be well to visit my webpage and take a look.
The complete scientific report is there, but I got a piece of email from the major not long ago, a couple weeks, three weeks ago, and you just mentioned in an offhand way, Major, Yes, we actually do that.
Do you have a team for practice or for fun or for whatever reason working on my Roswell
parts?
Yes, we actually do that.
I train 20 people a year in between contract work that we do.
And I used your metallic object, metallic pieces as training targets.
Well I want to know.
I have some preliminary results, but it will cost you one of those Art Bell watches.
It can easily be arranged.
Oh, I'm kidding.
Actually, let me tell you what I assumed that we were dealing with.
When my students are trained, they are not told what their targets are.
They are trained in the blind.
Their unconscious is trained to do the work.
It's similar to flying a plane at night.
You have to rely on your instruments and you really can't, if you do not know how to read those instruments, the analogy here is if you do not understand the structure of remote viewing, you're going to slip off the target.
Trainees are not allowed to graduate until they can get it right every single time.
So, as an advanced training target, day six or seven, I slipped a few trainee's parts When we do this, I've never seen those parts on your webpage.
So I simply, I actually called them that, pieces, metallic pieces, and I called them in italics, arts parts.
The collective unconscious can do the rest.
We know that it can.
But it's an interesting result.
I assumed as a former project officer for very secret projects, both aerospace and metallurgical,
that we were probably dealing with scrap electronic parts or something like that.
As a project manager I had many scientists working for me, university professors and
industrialists and they would be making things that I needed on the battlefield in space
or somewhere else.
I would bring pieces of those back to my office.
All of us who were in positions similar to mine had things like this.
We would put Goo Gahs and Doo Dads on our office.
Sometimes we would even bring them home unless they were radioactive.
Many times these projects failed.
If a corporation, say the Alcoa Corporation, had a classified contract with the government to build something, to make some new sheet metal, and that didn't work out right because it was penetrated by a tungsten bullet or something like that, then the metal of it became scrap.
I felt that that's what you were dealing with.
Another case, something that's interesting to point out, the Russians, the former Soviets, their metallurgy The parts are actually land based, earth based.
the US metallurgy. Don't forget they were making titanium submarines, behemoths that
we could not produce. So keep that in mind as we talk about this. I did as the results
started to come in and these are initial results but I do want to talk about them. The parts
are actually land based, earth based, they are not alien.
But their story is very interesting and I think I will illustrate it with a story.
Let's call the story hypothetical for the moment.
A certain scientist, who I might know, is approached one day with some pieces similar to arts parts.
And he is asked, how have you gotten a hold of alien technology?
And the scientist says, well, I don't have alien technology.
Well, we're looking at your blueprints for a specific thing that you submitted to the patent office.
A specific set of parts.
And this happens to be the same thing that crashed in the desert about 1950.
Alien spacecraft.
And the scientist says, well, no, I designed this myself.
Well, our parts are about 16 years young.
Uh, this is from a prototype vehicle that's lived back in time.
It's parts are from a time machine.
Really?
Yes.
I like that.
Yeah.
It's about 11 or 12 years out there.
In fact, we can even become aware of the actual scientists that are working on that today.
That's our paradox problem.
This is a series of vehicles that the military team that I ran started to perceive about 1984-85.
We started to gain information on these things.
Essentially, let me make sure that this picture is set in your listeners' minds.
A group of scientists About 10 years from now, perhaps less, I happen to test a prototype design which is spinning, and this is very important.
I'll get back to this in a moment, some of the physics of how this happens.
This device, instead of going up and out into space, disappears.
And it flies about 200 miles from its test point in the southwest desert and crashes about 50 years earlier.
Now, the people that find this, about 1950, the individuals that find it cordon off the
area.
This was not a Roswell crash, by the way.
Roswell was alien.
This was not.
I'll get to that some other time.
They find these pieces and they automatically assume, because it's probably four generations
of technology ahead of anything they had in 1950, that it's alien.
Sure.
Automatically, sure.
But they hold on to it until one day somebody notices that a design of a certain scientist is submitting to the patent office matches this, so it must be alien, right?
The metallurgical processes that you see in front of you and on the screen are really not that far from what we can do now.
If we really wanted to put the money into it, we could produce the kinds of pressures that would be necessary to produce the kind of density and those kinds of alloys.
It could be done, and I'm sure our technicians have said as much, but they're not here yet.
It's slipped back.
Well, this bismuth piece of the supposed skin of the craft, whatever kind of craft it is, while it could be done, I don't think it has been done.
We've had people checking very carefully.
Nobody's done it.
They don't know what it could be.
Some sort of superconductor or collector of energy on the skin of a craft of some kind.
So what you say could be.
It's about another generation out there of technology.
I want to illustrate how this first event occurred.
In phenomenology there is an occasional report of when a tornado passes by a certain place that later people find pieces of straw and sometimes wood I don't know.
right through a glass window, the window supposedly fused around the straw.
It just so happens that the vortex that is created by tornadoes, when the tornado turns
a specific way at a certain angle depending on where it is, does something with time.
It bends or shifts time, slows it down as the earth is turning and the earth turns into
this place where two things begin to share the same space.
and the tornado moves away and now they do share the same space.
Spinning this vortex and the angle of the vortex is very important to this discovery.
Time travel, of course, as we know it now, as most physicists today, would require an energy equivalent to a black hole to effect.
Could be done, but you need that.
It's not within our tech base to do it.
And yet, it does seem to be a little trick that nature plays at certain times.
And one of these prototype devices fell into that trick.
That's where my parts came from.
It would appear that your parts fit a class of objects that we in my company know to be those things, yes.
Time travel, by the way, is quite a real thing out there in the cosmos as far as we're concerned, having had 15 years of experience looking at things from NASA and NORAD that they don't talk about.
I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question.
I think it's a good question.
you know. If you're traveling along a gravity wave or along a gravity surface and you pop
in somewhere, you need to know not only where you are but what time it is. So pulsars and
things similar to pulsars are used as a galactic time standard, if you will, to know when you
are rather than just where you are, in addition to where you are. Crop circles, for instance,
are specifically used for on the ground registration marks.
The crop circles that we talk about there, they're so enigmatic to most people. For us in SciTech,
we know what they are.
They're purposely put in perishable media, ephemeral media, to last only one day so that
you know on the ground, right there in a local environment, a tactical environment, if you
will, what day it is. So that when you transit time again and you see that specific crop
circle that's in a registration book of some type, you know what day you are in. Because
you know that in that book, on that specific day, some registration vehicle made that mark.
It's not a vehicle, it's actually a small globe. We will make that SciTech contract
available to the public via our Transition 3000 website in the future.
All right.
Let us understand then, remote viewing does time travel of its own in a sense?
It doesn't.
It doesn't.
Time drops out of the equation.
Mind is outside of time.
There is no time in the collective unconscious.
If I look at Art Bell's life as a remote viewer, a technical remote viewer, I see you from birth to death and points in between.
There is no time there.
You are a default of information, a pattern of information resonant in this collective unconscious.
That's not to say you don't have a soul or personality, of course you do.
But in terms of information, this is an information collection technology and there is no time involved.
We look left to see the past or right to see the future, metaphorically speaking, and we just download information.
Well, we know about the past as we care about the future, and the last time I had you on, you scared the hell out of me, everybody else.
I had you up to the reach, and now I want to underscore this.
I'm going to repeat what you said, and I want to underscore by saying that, ah, it was just three days ago, it was on the news, Major.
How remarkable is the story of the Plains State Farmhouse, and as you said, it's not that they're wrong, or may have been wrong, that our climate ...is much more tenuous, much more fragile than we ever thought it was.
They went way beyond that.
They said there is a significant possibility, they now believe, that we may be headed toward what they called another Dust Bowl, or even went beyond that, and said they can see our plain states, our farm states, becoming deserts.
Not only that, but that that process is actually underway right now.
And that's a frightening, frightening possibility, and the moment I saw it, I almost fell off my couch, and I got a lot of other faxes of the same sort, hearkening back to what you said, what you see coming.
Now, about ten years ago, that's quite some time ago, while you were working on other projects, you said you saw babies dying.
Is that right?
That's correct.
uh... indian military team actually uh... again as training officer i would
provide the team with and then training target actually i was looking in a
enigma we uh... i did not want my team to fall into an only to
become bored with just working military research institute and facilities
and i wanted to make sure that they had a wide variety of target so i would
flip target like this uh... under their noses same way they got
our sports The same way, yes, essentially that kind of thing.
We were picking up, we were looking into the future and we were looking at certain things in ways that we do.
I don't want to get into all the technologies tonight, but the team was describing and sketching dying babies over wide areas.
We traced back the source of the dying babies and they were cows, cow's milk.
Cow's milk was killing dying babies.
In later years, actually about four years ago, I had Saite take a look at the causal agent behind that.
And it appears to be a virus in the milk.
We think it's a bovine AIDS.
We're not positive about that, but we think that it is.
Something like a bovine AIDS that's transmitted by Darienman's needles.
The same needle that's used to inject each cow.
An immune problem of some kind.
With the babies, yes.
We think that the planet's immunosuppressed.
Babies are immunosuppressed.
Their mothers are immunosuppressed.
And now, all of a sudden, they are toxicologically insulted with a virus that's similar to AIDS and just wreaks havoc with this nascent immune system of theirs.
And we do see human babies dying in droves.
Droves?
Worldwide?
Worldwide, yes.
In any country where babies drink cow's milk, and that's a lot of countries.
That's a lot of countries.
I guess I've got to ask, do you come up with numbers?
Is there any way to know percentages?
We can't come up with numbers.
We can come up with pie chart types of percentages.
Alphanumerics and numerics are beyond our capabilities, but we can get rough figures.
We haven't done that in this case with any country in this specific case.
A lot.
So many.
Yes, many.
Are you able to look then beyond that to see if that is alleviated or the situation worsens or how society deals with this?
We have not looked at anything.
We have not looked at the situation beyond that.
I do not know if there are any ameliorating factors or mitigating factors vis-a-vis that particular problem.
I don't have that information.
How far off is it?
It looks like it's within the next several years.
We're coming up real close.
One of the things that SciTech is doing now is establishing milestones along a timeline so that when one event occurs, people will know what the next one is and the time between them so that they can prepare a meeting I guess you can look right to the future and left to the past.
Is it possible... The past, of course, is known.
It's a known quantity.
move from one area to another because you'll have no fresh water, those kinds of things.
I guess you can look right to the future and left to the past. Is it possible, the past
of course is known, it's a known quantity. So I would think that as you look into the
past with your trainees, with your residents, you can calibrate what you do to the left,
can't you?
Uh, we can get distances and yeah, we can get distances in time for unknowns, for instance.
If you give me something and you don't know what time it was fabricated What I'm referring to, though, is, and we're at the bottom of the hour here, there are known events in time, in the thread of time.
As you look back, you can calibrate what you see.
That's what I wanted to know.
We can bracket the event.
Exactly.
Major, stay right there.
We'll be right back to you, Major.
Ed Dames, Scitex, Ed Dames is with me.
he'll be right back back down a major ed games uh...
Major, so you can look to the left, you can calibrate with history, and then let us now again look to the right.
Again, hearkening back to what ABC ran about the farm belt scared the hell out of me.
Then I've got an Omaha Daily Herald Story here that says a longer look at planes climate
suggests an unsettling Possibility and they go into exactly the same thing here
now one of the things you said to me in the facts you sent that
That got us going in the last show was that
Was that the jet stream is going to come down on deck And I'll see you next time.
And the jet stream, of course, wriggles and wrists all over the place, but you say it's going to come down on deck and there will be winds between, what, 150 and 300 miles an hour on land?
Well, watch the jet stream.
It's a really good indicator for how chaotic the atmosphere is going to quickly become.
And it may not come all the way down to the deck, but it'll come close enough to furnish us with some very heavy-duty microbursts and some vicious storms.
High, high, very serious winds.
You'll need to be underground or in very solid structures when this happens.
But moreover, the skies will become very dark over the mid-latitudes where these winds are high.
And that's going to preclude growing crops the way we do now.
And there'll be no life.
That's what got to me about what ABC said.
I mean, we're already on the way.
We have crops in serious trouble.
Our wheat crop in the country now is in very serious trouble.
Cattle are being sold off pennies on the dollar.
It's horrible.
And this is, I guess, just the beginning?
It's just the beginning, yes.
Essentially damaged the Earth's stratosphere, the Earth's atmosphere beyond repair.
There is not just a big ozone hole.
What scientists generally are not aware of is that there's a deterioration of the upper levels of the troposphere, the upper levels of the Earth's atmosphere now in a fashion very similar to metastasis, to cancer that's eating away at the upper levels of the atmosphere.
There aren't any remedial actions that are good enough at this juncture.
It's going to happen.
so that's why it's so grim.
A year ago they started.
We're going to see bacteriological changes quickly.
Oh, you know what's interesting?
You should mention that, because another news story that popped up a couple of days ago on Reuters was, our government has suddenly cut loose with about $250 million, a quarter billion dollars, to establish 12 Well, I worked with those guys, and most of them are virologists.
Unfortunately, viruses get most of the money these days.
a serious amount of money to cut loose with in times like these.
Early warning centers for disease and they're going to be looking for new stuff popping
up and I said at the time, these guys have got to know something we don't.
Well, I worked with those guys and most of them are virologists.
Unfortunately, viruses get most of the money these days, but there are other things, other
changes.
Bacteria, there's a lot of species of bacteria.
They mutate a little bit faster than viruses.
We are not going to be, we as civilized industrial nations are not going to be able to keep up
with the kinds of epidemics and pandemics that spring up.
We're not going to be able to produce vaccines fast enough.
They're going to outrun our ability to research them.
Have we overused antibiotics?
Is that the problem?
Or is there another profound change that's coming even beyond that problem?
This is the end of side one. Please leave the cassette exactly where you left it.
Have we overused antibiotics? Is that the problem? Or is there another profound change that's coming even beyond
that problem?
As far as we know in the company, it appears that it's an environmental problem.
The environment has such stress, the organisms, the bacteria, that they're subject to greater numbers of
mutations.
Ozone alone, for instance.
I mean, ionizing radiation when it hits us may produce skin cancer, melanoma.
But ionizing radiation when it hits a single-celled animal, that's metastasis at best.
A lot of mutations.
A lot of mutations.
Much more than has been the case in the last few millennia.
So you're saying that what is occurring to our upper stratosphere atmosphere is like a cancer that once begun is going to eat everything alive before it's done.
No, what I'm saying is that I just used that as an analogy.
There's many holes.
The atmosphere is deteriorating.
There are lots of holes that will begin to appear, small ones, letting not just one large ozone hole over the poles.
And that has gone unnoticed so far.
Well, I know that they've documented thinning of ozone across North America, for example, somewhere between, I'm trying to remember now, three and seven percent, something like that, that will account for X number more, skin cancer, and so forth and so on.
Really quite serious, but you're talking about additional actual holes.
Yes, I'm talking about a lot of scattered shotgun, quiltwork, patchwork type of holes in the ozone layer.
I'm not certain that everybody realizes how serious this is.
Life could not have begun on Earth until that ozone layer was in place.
Every time amino acids came together to bond, bam, they were hit without the ozone layer to protect them.
They hit by ionizing radiation and the links are broken up.
So that had to be in place before life could begin.
And it needs to be in place if life is to continue.
We're not going to evolve as a race, maybe we're not meant to, unless we survive.
Are we going to be able to continue to live above ground or are we going to have to abandon above ground life?
Above ground structures will have to be made.
This is why research like Biosphere 2 is important and those kinds of hermetically sealed units.
We need first of all, first and foremost, some type of a habitat to grow crops in.
A very large habitat.
My company has actually sketched these kinds of habitats that we use to grow crops.
These crops will be protected by high winds and will have enough light so that food can be produced by humans.
And eventually these habitats for plants will become templates for cities, similar to Biosphere 2.
It's important that we start these kinds of projects now so that the technologies can mature, so that we work the bugs out by the time we really need to migrate into these below ground structures and above ground structures that are going to be necessary.
But let's talk about numbers.
I can understand you could do such a thing, grow crops even under those conditions, harsh as they would be, but numbers, Major, even under the best of conditions with a crash program, right now America feeds itself and a good part of the world.
Well, we used to, up until this year.
Yeah, without our Farm Belt, Major, and with what you envision, the numbers of people that could be fed Would be astonishingly smaller at best.
That's right.
I used to be called Dr. Doom at the White House for other reasons, and I don't perpetrate necessarily that appellation, so I'm not going to get into numbers right now.
I am saying that there will be despeciation at rapid rate.
Yeah, I can read between the lines very easily.
You think that it's in some ways better off that people don't know all of or how the scale of this I think it's difficult for the everyday person now enough
without me prophesying, if you will, these kinds of numbers that we see in that.
Alright.
Here's something from our last interview.
After you had said most of what you've said now, not all of what we just heard, you said,
I said, well, what about you?
There you are in... Where are you?
You're in... Beverly Hills, California.
Beverly Hills, of all places.
And I said, so what are you going to do personally?
And you said, well, I'm moving west and south.
And I said, to an island?
And you said, something like that.
And this was... And I said, well, gee, west, you know, in the water.
Not identifying specifically where your company was going to go, but when you gave other people advice, You told them, go north.
And so it hit me later, you're telling the population to go north, but you're saying, we're going south and west.
Could you clarify that for us?
There's actually a number of different places we've looked at that are sanctuaries.
I happen to be heading toward some islands, yes.
But we know that Switzerland, the Swiss Alps, and That area is also a sanctuary, and I'll give you the reasons why.
All right.
Very high mountains and very deep canyons protect against hard winds.
That's true.
Okay.
They also have snow-packing glaciers, which provide a good source of water, you know, unknown quantity, and water is going to be a real problem.
And then the other reason is those climates are cold, generally speaking, cold enough so that these bacteria
remain fairly dormant in those environments because I am telling you that bacteriological mutations
are gonna be a real big problem.
It's nature carrying out bacteriological warfare against us like Mother Nature or the Earth
administering antibiotics to itself, antibio.
And we may be the disease in this case.
Yeah, it's very close to what the Native Americans believe, that Earth is almost a living entity, and that we have insulted Earth and continue to insult Earth, and in fact you're saying we have insulted Earth to the degree that it's too late.
I think, yes, that's correct.
I remember once, years ago, I found a pelican on the beach sitting very still.
I don't know.
I picked it up and it bit me a few times.
I put it in the trunk of my car and it felt really bad for it because it was covered with
ants, small ants.
And I took it to a vet and the vet called me up and said, hey we dusted the pelican
with a powder, an antibiotic powder and it's fine now, it was just sick.
And all of a sudden I realized that it knew to land and have those ants eat the lice that
were attacking it, these mites that were attacking the bird.
If it stood very still the ants would naturally pick off the lice and eat them and the pelican
could fly away.
So I actually prevented the pelican from continuing this process and it reminded me of the situation,
the state of affairs vis-a-vis Gaia or Solaris, whatever you want to call Mother Earth.
Well I've had a number of Native Americans on this show and on Dreamland and chillingly
they have predicted big wins
Have you, and I'm sure you've heard some of that, but I wonder, have you consulted with Native Americans?
Have you traded any information with them?
No, never.
We really rely on our own methods for this, and years ago we were picking up wins.
It took us a long time.
By process of elimination and direct knowledge, because that's what remote viewing is, to ascertain where these winds were coming from.
I mean, we ran the gamut of, gee, is this nuclear war?
Is it volcanic activity?
Is it a pole shift?
On and on and on, and we could not find the answer until we popped up in the upper levels of the atmosphere and said, uh-oh, there's no atmosphere, or it's chaos up here.
So we had to check and double-check our work, otherwise I would not be telling you on the air.
Well, I would think that governments, the governments of the world, particularly in view of your track record and your history, would be more than a little interested in what you're saying tonight.
Have you had any contact?
A little.
A little.
But it's going to be... We're ahead of our time.
This kind of technology is just out of the closet.
It's young.
It will be on the streets as soon as we can get it on the streets with as many young people
as possible.
That's our target group, particularly high school kids and individuals in their 20s.
Our generation, we think, is a lost cause.
Not totally, but we're stayed in Spillic.
I'm your age or thereabouts, and we don't hold habits by heart.
They do.
Yes, they do.
So you would advise people, move to colder climates?
Prepare.
Stow away food.
What advice would you give?
Another thing is a colder climate or an isolated island is good.
Because islands are isolated, generally speaking.
They're isolated from a lot of traffic, hopefully.
A lot of human traffic.
A lot of source of bacteria.
They're geographically isolated.
And if they get a lot of rain, then you've got fresh water.
If they have a lot of underground lava tubes or caves, then you have protection from high
winds when they occur.
And they have a lot of sunlight because they're in lower latitudes, they get to experience
a lot of sun and food can grow very quickly, grow back quickly.
Now I was going to say, if these winds descend on the central latitudes, then there will
be climate changes elsewhere as a result of that.
And so areas that previously have not been able to grow food might be able to, or areas that have been arid will be wet, or what other changes will result from this?
Not sure.
Just storms, vicious storms and chaos.
I would not take it too much of a chance in trying to predict what might change and where might change.
Because there'll be no continuity for crop growing unless you get crops into a place where they're protected and the light is maintained and controlled.
Key phrase is chaos then?
Key phrase is survival.
We need to be able to plan for survival.
Food, growing food the way we do now is not survival oriented anymore.
So rather than worrying about storing food up and having a big cache of food, As people would be tempted to do, you're more inclined to advise people to devise safe and new ways to grow that food because you're going to have to last a long time.
Yes, as communities and as governments, responsible governments.
Yes, that's what I'm suggesting.
But that's based upon a technology that taxpayers paid for, which is still very, very unknown and in some circles construed to be the occult.
So this is a hard sell on my part.
It's much easier for us to find Unabombers and things like that and convince people that it's real than it is to try to sell doom and gloom.
Well, I would think the people that know your track record, the people that you worked with, listening to this, their eyes must be getting wide and their heartbeat must be quickening.
That was an old boy network consisting of captains of industry that did contract with the military industrial complex.
Yes, many government officials were there too, many congressmen.
And so there is an audience for that kind of thing, yes.
What bothers me is that of what you speak, all the first signs are already there.
For example, the hurricane season last year.
The unending... I watch the Weather Channel by the day, and I've watched... weather has been a hobby of mine for years.
I used to chase tornadoes, and there are tornado boxes all over the place.
Tornadoes, and tornadoes, and tornadoes, as I have never seen before across North America.
Again, the beginning of this, I take it.
Well, we're looking at first economic catastrophe here.
Let's face it, we're not going to have the money to be able to repair the kinds of damages that any more of these vicious storms will cause.
So, our economy will be shot first before our infrastructure, the rest of our infrastructure.
It's going to get grim.
Particularly in the next four and a half to six years, we're looking at very, very serious conditions environmentally.
I saw somebody ask you on one of the programs that was on the videotape.
I think that might have been on the Discovery Channel, the real X-Files, the true story of America's like X-Files.
That's what they called it, the real X-Files.
They said that Very clearly.
Our students early in the game can take a look at large earthquakes, volcanism, those kinds of things quite easily because the events are happening now.
lottery numbers and your answer was that those are very small spikes in the future and that
they are much harder to read and that you see the larger events much more clearly.
Is that true?
Very clearly.
Our students early in the game can take a look at large earthquakes, volcanism, those
kinds of things quite easily because the events are happening now.
It's a huge event.
All of us are events really but that's an event that geological, geophysical events
are very big.
It's as if our unconscious is alerting us for survival reasons to be on the lookout for these kinds of things.
Like maybe we're tuned into cataclysms of a geophysical nature more than we are other things, but that's just speculation on my part.
Alright, not speculation, something we're going to talk about next.
And as you know, I live adjacent to, in fact we have the closest broadcast facility to an area called Area 51.
It has been the object of great fascination for American people for a very long time.
And you know something about Area 51, don't you?
I'll give you the scoop on Area 51.
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Major Ed Dames from SciTech is my guest.
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To SciTech's Major Dames and Major Area 51, everybody's dying to know, what are they doing,
what have they done, what are they doing at Area 51?
All right, Area 51 is a test site.
They don't build anything there per se.
There may be modifications, but remember, it's a testing area.
Things are built somewhere else and brought in.
Okay.
Uh...
There's a reason why that kind of secrecy exists, and I'm going to talk about that.
That level of secrecy.
When you're dealing with nuclear weapons and defending the nation against nuclear weapons, you need to have things that are protected, operationally secure, as well as secure in other ways, too.
Let me be specific.
There's a set of satellites out there that many of your listeners know about called DSPs, Deep Space Platforms.
These satellites look down on the planet Earth, particularly places other than the United States, for signs of an intercontinental ballistic missile launch as well as other missile launches.
They can see the hot flame of the missile and they can see other things that are classified.
Signatures and footprints of the type of activity that would lead to the signature, the setting up of the missile, the things that are associated with that kind of a thing.
Now, we have a problem though, because once a missile is launched, it is extremely difficult to interdict that missile.
By the time we get around to doing it, we may or may not be able to intercept, and if we do, we don't know whether we're intercepting a decoy and wasting precious anti-ballistic missile defenses against a decoy, or the real thing.
We have real problems there.
So, what to do, what to do?
If we see somebody allegedly gearing up to launch one, do we launch a first strike or a preemptive?
If someone is getting ready to launch, a potential adversary is getting ready to launch a preemptive strike against the United States and all indications to our intelligence community, our indications and warning community say that that's going to happen.
What do we do?
Well, the answer is we wait.
We wait until we see the missile take off.
Now, That means we have to have an effective anti-missile, anti-ballistic missile defense for the United States.
Or, we have to do something else.
And that something else is what goes on in Area 51.
There's another way to defend, or attempt to defend, which is almost impossible, against missiles once they go ballistic and once they enter the Earth's atmosphere over North America.
We really can't defend effectively against them.
But there's something else that we can do.
If we can get to a missile launch site fast enough before an ICBM gets into the upper levels of the Earth's atmosphere, we can kill it there, in the enemy's own country, in a potential adversary's own land.
Now, you have to move really fast to do that, and you run into all kinds of problems.
But when people like Ben Rich and the Skunk Works back years ago got together to build some really esoteric devices, and all kinds of wonderful things, they pulled together a
group of very eclectic thinkers, brilliant engineers who really didn't work well as a group,
but if you really babysit these individuals and you're a good project manager,
individuals, very brilliant engineers working together, they can come up with objects that for
all intents and purposes appear to be alien. And that is in fact what's happening at Area
You're seeing the limits of our technological base being pushed.
Because people, these engineers, theoretically can develop all kinds of things that can exceed most of our wildest dreams, but we're limited by our material sciences predominantly to what we can build.
But still, when you build something that flies like a bat out of hell, and it's coated with diamond-coated surfaces, very expensive, I believe it!
with at levels of marketing something very fast you can take it off in the united
states where you have no territory
beyond the ground and in the area in the neighborhood of an i think the and that
has just taken off disabled and come back home
that's what's going on there at the time i believe it i believe it is our nation
sunday punch uh... we've been talking for i don't know how long and
getting rumors and more than rumors of craft that are flying in from the pacific
adding credible speeds
Well and these I mean we have some very brilliant engineers in America and they have been they've been asked to come up with things that can that that was their task.
We have to be able to disable or kill Uh, intercontinental ballistic missiles while they're still rising up above a potential adversary's airspace.
That's absolutely fascinating.
So you're saying with a fast response, you could get one of these incredible craft to a location where an ICBM is rising and knock that damn thing down, uh, above the country that launched it?
That's right.
Moving like a barrel of hell.
Now there's a lot of problems technologically and engineering-wise when you do that.
For instance, You have an ionized plasma that surrounds, in many cases, the shell, the skin, of a vehicle that's moving that fast.
Unmanned, by the way.
Right.
And now how do you communicate with it?
So that's something you have to overcome.
So like the re-entering astronauts that go through a blackout period.
That's correct.
The speed at that or greater.
There's another problem.
One of the reasons that things are so classified in this arena are because of the toxicity of the fuels.
The Environmental Protection Agency would never allow an operation like that.
These fuels are so poison.
So very, very poison.
That they could not essentially be used anywhere.
Well, again... It could not be disposed of effectively.
Again, there's something there, because there is a lawsuit underway right now by a number of people who have worked at Area 51.
Yes, my vice president, Jonina DeReef, has informed me of that a couple weeks ago.
So, it's underway, and they claim they were toxically poisoned.
Well, yeah.
The fuels are... There's a mixture of two fuels, actually.
There's the spontaneous combustion, the Aurora, for instance, the engines outside of the craft, apt to get to a certain modality of operation.
And there are follow-on vehicles that are more esoteric, that use the attempted electro-gravitational propulsion, those kind of things that people see hovering about the Area 51.
All these, physics is physics, and we'll build stuff that can increase our capabilities to deliver this kind of Sunday Punch, because that threat's still very real out there.
Aliens?
Nope, sorry.
Are there extraterrestrials out in the valley?
You bet, but not there at Area 51.
Wait, I'm not done yet.
Okay, about the government's hidden UFO agenda, there's one other thing I'd like to talk about here, and that is what we're hiding.
If you remember Howard Bloom's book, Out There, Yes.
Which was fairly poorly written, but he talked about a UFO working group in the Pentagon.
Right.
I was a member of that.
We even had a cover name for it to disguise ourselves.
We called ourselves the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group.
And essentially, we had no charter to look at the UFO phenomenon.
There was no money.
There was no charter.
We tried to hide our activities under General Irvington's Star Wars program, the SDI program.
Essentially attempting to develop software that could recognize something differentiated between alien, airliner, satellite, those kinds of things.
Those members were military officers.
I was the youngest, the junior officer at the time, and there were members of the military industrial community that were there too.
Lockheed Missile & Space, McDonnell Douglas, companies of that ilk.
And we were a bunch of wild and crazy guys who were sincerely interested in looking at this phenomenon, but to not coax money out of presidents or services to really do anything with it.
Why?
Because there's no charter.
After Project Blue Book and a few follow-on projects, there's really no national security threat there.
And the Department of Defense and the intelligence agencies are tasked with protecting the nation against other nations or potential adversaries.
Right.
There isn't any charter, and so there's no money for that.
It has to be put into the civilian community.
Research.
Charter doesn't exist, congressionally or otherwise, to look at UFO things.
Now, our satellites did pick up photos, pick up things, glowing objects hovering above bases, both ours and other countries.
And those are real photos.
They're really glowing objects that defy explanation and are enigmatic.
that are have been captured on satellite photography but they will not be released because they
cannot be released.
Number one, the place that we were looking at, those kinds of data are classified, what
we are looking at at any given time.
Major, there was a 2020 program, I think it was 2020, in which they documented objects
that had appeared above Soviet missile silos and as a matter of fact, one of them activated
the launch sequence for a Soviet ICBM and they continued to document it.
There was this object above and they went into launch sequence.
There's no question about it.
The Russians totally freaked out.
tore everything apart, I mean everything, every panel out of there after this incident tried to find out
what had happened and there were no answers, no answers, and there have been stories of objects hovering above our
sites as well.
That's true, but I want to get back to the, that is correct, those events have happened, they are real, they are
extraterrestrial in nature.
I don't want to go too deeply into that now, except I want to make sure that we understand that the government isn't hiding anything vis-a-vis that.
The satellite photography that can't be released is because we do not want to give away, as I don't watch a lot of television, but if they suggested that some of these photographs can't be released because it would devolve the capabilities of the satellite, then that's correct.
That's the reason that this is so classified.
Some of those.
And that's the only evidence that we have, other than Arts Park, of allegedly alien activity.
Yes.
Now, there have been very, very enigmatic things happen at U.S.
bases, but they remain unexplained.
And any government that purports to have control of its populace, or maintain control of its citizenry, is not going to release a report that says, we don't know what this is.
Let me tell you a little story about Gordon Cooper, the astronaut.
He said that he was at Edwards Air Force Base when a military film team was filming something or another, a regular duty, and they were out on a flight line and they saw a craft come down three legs extend the damn thing landed on the ground
they kept rolling they had film of it this is this is going to print out and
they started moving toward this craft it rose into the air the three landing uh...
uh... wheels or whatever it was extended into the craft and it just
shot straight up well they have all this on film they sent to washington according to cooper
where it disappeared for all time well that sounds like one of ours
We've had things like that for many years.
Why do you think the... I mean, really, we retired the SR-71.
What do you think we replaced that with?
We've been testing little objects like that with tripod landing gears for quite a while.
What aliens use are something very, very different.
And it doesn't look like that.
It's a good point, and after all, it did come down at Edwards, which is an Air Force base.
That's correct.
So you're saying that's one of ours?
Yes, that was one of ours.
That was one of our prototypes then and that was the beginning of the end of the Blackbird program.
There's a fellow down in Australia, Stan Dale.
I don't know if you know of Stan or have heard of him, but Stan says a lot of things about our craft, just like you're saying, that we have these things and have had them for a long time.
We take them off from one place and we land them somewhere else, just like we used to do with the SR-71, but we've continued to look to buy in as a populace to these conspiracy theories.
I and my vice president announced at a UFO congress in Germany that the Santilli alien is a hoax.
It's a bag filled under pressure with a pump inside.
Pressure's there so that when you cut it open, it looks like fluids are oozing out.
You notice that there was no sound on the tapes.
Actually, I have not seen these tapes.
There's no sound because if there were, you'd hear the pump.
The little pump that's pumping, keeping that bag pumped up.
We keep wanting to believe that.
Meanwhile, there's something else happening.
By the way, my company is working on a report that we'll put out on our website about Volante 21185, the star that has a solar system.
Yes, about eight light years.
We're going to take a look at that, and that's kind of the easy target for us.
So we're beginning to sketch the planets around there.
There are three planets, one is a gas giant, two other small ones that have their own moons, one five and another seven moons, and we're beginning to explore the surfaces of each one of those planets.
The two small ones, we call them planet Enoch and planet Aaron, I'm going to be back in a minute.
So, I'm going to be talking about the Earth.
Well, if one thinks that there might be a federation out there, I'm not so sure that the Federation would allow us to go out and trash another planet.
Maybe we might have to take care of our home citizens here.
Actually, I mentioned an in-house project that SciTech has, Project Starman.
I can't talk about that at this juncture.
Even in a general way?
Mars.
That's all I can say.
I do have some really interesting questions for somebody like you.
One of them is, do you have anything to say about the nature of our soul?
He who looks at the kinds of things you look at might be able to answer that question.
Do we as humans have a soul?
Do we have something that lives past the physical life, do you believe?
Yes.
That field these days, the buzz word is continuity of consciousness.
That's what the study is.
That's right.
It is one of the most fascinating projects I've ever been involved in.
The jury's still out within our own ranks as to what's going on, but the answer to the question is yes, there's something that survives death.
Our minds fluff off, however, which is an interesting development.
When we remote view a dying person, we see something split off that we call the soul, and we cannot track that.
It's beyond our capabilities.
We know of other places.
that have very strange life forms that we think might be where people are reconstructed, but we have no chain of custody.
So there is a discontinuity between what leaves a dying body and what we see in other places which we suspect might be worlds where personalities are recreated.
So there's a sort of dead zone to you?
There is a broken chain of custody and tracking ones, a personality essence.
but i'm not involved with a very interesting phenomenon it is a major
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Major, uh, you've affirmed we have a soul, and that when we die, you kind of lose track of it, um, as in a re-entry period.
And then, it may be, is it your view that it is recycled, or do you have any thoughts on what occurs?
I don't have a lot of thoughts.
It's a very difficult thing for us to do.
It may seem odd that a military team would have applied itself under the rubric of Advanced training, this type of thing, but I was looking for really extreme challenges and this was the most extreme one I could find.
Oh yes, it is the most extreme, the biggest question for mankind.
All right, let's try this one out.
Those who can look ahead and see big spikes ahead of us to the right, does such a person dare look ahead to their own death?
It's funny you should ask that.
In training we have to be careful.
A lot of times our trainees, I will actually give them their own lives, what we call a personal trajectory And I have to be careful that they don't go through the protocols too rapidly, because they'll be perceiving their own death, and that can be a discomforting thing.
But yes, you can perceive what appears to be, with high probability, very, very prominent milestones or peaks in your trajectory, including the end of your life.
Have you looked at yours?
No, I haven't.
I don't think I would either.
I may someday.
I just think that I'd rather not know right now.
I understand that.
It's not that I'm a chicken, but I think I'd rather spend my time thinking about other things.
All right, let's look left again.
Somebody down in Texas wants to know if you've ever looked back toward the big spike that would have been the presence of Jesus on earth that time.
Yes.
It's a training target.
The crucifixion is a training target.
Yes, Calvary is a training target that we have.
It's an advanced training target.
I sometimes give it as the student's first solo.
That's where their skills are par enough on day seven or eight of training where they have to work alone and I leave the room.
So they work against unknowns as well as knowns.
All right, if you can look to the left to when he was here, do you look to the right to his return?
We have not.
We have not done that.
There's so many things that they use this technology against.
Actually, I haven't looked at that at all.
It's not something that's in our thousands of training files and operational files.
That is not there.
All right, something current, Major.
There is, and there have been reports of, a creature, I'm sure you've... The chupacabra.
Yes, sir, I have to ask.
It's in the docket.
It's in the docket, and when we work it, we'll provide it as a report on our website.
Oh, you will?
Yes.
Would you give people, and I'm sure that Keith is quickly linking to your site, but what is your web address again, please?
Our web address is www.transition-3000.de.
That is Transition 3000 and that particular distribution channel deals exclusively with
SciTech bulletins, reports and studies.
That will be available quite shortly.
Alright, um...
What about Tunguska?
That must have been a big spike in the past.
The event that may have killed off the dinosaurs and a big transition point for Earth.
Have you ever looked at that?
Now, Tunguska was in about 1906 or 1908, if I'm not mistaken.
Oh, yes, you are correct.
I'm sorry.
You're thinking of the KT.
KT event, yes.
Yes, it looks as if the KT event did kill off the dinosaurs or possibly lots of things during the Jurassic.
But it did something else too that's very interesting.
It appears to have sideswiped Mars to the point where it really disabled the atmosphere and sort of set into motion a dynamic which robbed Mars of its atmosphere.
There is thought to be, and I had a physicist on the show last night, I know you heard part of it.
Yes, I enjoyed listening to part of it.
And he said that they think there may be a very great deal of ice just under the Martian surface, that which used to be water that was above ground.
Now, we're getting dangerously close to your Starman program that you seem very disconcined to talk about.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
So, Think Mars.
I guess we'd better settle for Think Mars.
All right.
I have asked a lot of questions.
You'll recall that both the Russians and the Americans have lost their eyes and ears around the planet Mars.
And I think you remember that in August, a few years ago, we lost a spacecraft.
I recall.
SciTech has published a report.
We actually did a contract for the Russians.
The Russians approached SciTech asking what happened to Phobos II in 1989.
This was a spacecraft the Russians launched called Phobos II Secondary Series and it met its demise shortly after entering Martian orbit.
And what did you see?
Well, there was a very interesting machine that rose up from the surface of the planet to meet yet another machine that was in orbit, a different type.
Both these machines, almost sentient vehicles, if you will, unmanned, actually converged on the Phobos II, and one actually came in contact with it.
I'll have that report available for listeners in the next couple of months.
You train people to do what you do, and you do so now in a very intensive seven day course, right?
Nine days, exactly ten.
The students are required to take a mid-course break.
Required to, in other words, it's so damn intensive they've got to take the break.
Yeah, they do.
Not only in size, it changes their lives forever.
One can no longer look at things the way they are.
Are there tests that you apply to those who would wish to take training with you?
The training is expensive.
It's $4,500, so that limits a lot of people.
But our general litmus test is that a student must be diligent, confident, That's all we need.
Are there a lot of people who don't make it through?
Only a few.
Only a few.
And those are the ones that lack one of the aforementioned.
We need stable people.
They have to be emotionally stable.
They're going to be undergoing some... It'll start off as, oh my god, on day two or three this really works, to the point where they perceive things that they may wish they'd never seen.
I don't know.
I wish they'd never seen.
Is it, what do we know about the nature of the threat of the future, Major?
Knowing some of the things that you know, can we change them, and if we can, should we?
I don't know.
I assume that corporately, as a race, we can change things, because I know that
we have a certain range of response.
We can change things within a certain range as individuals, so I assume that that extends to us corporately.
Whether or not we should is an ethicalogical problem.
It is, yes.
I just can't answer that.
I'm just an average guy.
Um...
Um, no.
Knowing some events that are coming, and I don't know whether you can, you know, you probably cannot perceive the smaller events, but have you corporately experimented with the ability to modify what appears to be the unmodifiable?
That's rather topological when you think about it, because how would we know, really?
We don't have a way of double-checking.
We run into a double paradox if we do that.
If we remote-view something to get feedback on something that we would plan upon doing, did we, in fact, affect it?
What came first, you know, the chicken or the egg?
Did we, in fact, affect the event, or did we effect the event?
And that's difficult.
It gives me headaches to think about.
I don't know how much leeway we have in changing the future.
It may be that the things that we as remote viewers perceive are only those things that have reached 100% likelihood in some other dimension and far out as data with us.
We may not indeed be able to perceive things that I don't have the answers to those questions yet, nor will I
probably ever.
We do not do research.
We will allow our students to do that in the future.
We strictly apply it.
He does prophecy based on what he describes as seeing three TV screens or three visions.
He likens it to three TV screens with two of them being very pale pictures and one of them being bright and very colorful.
Can you imagine that with what you do as sort of a
the more likely Future the more likely scenario. No, we're
It's a linear in our terms. It's time and trajectories
state space trajectories of Entities in this case earth and humans we see as linear. We
don't we are what we perceive as Remote viewers vis-a-vis the future of the earth in terms
of the next hundred years is grim as hell There's nothing bright about it.
What do you say?
Except to say that our children's children will have to rebuild the planet, and that's a character-building opportunity for them.
Do you have children?
Yes, I have two.
A 12 and a 14-year-old, and I have two stepdaughters.
Given the opportunity to have more children, would you?
Yes.
Yes, I would.
So you have hope?
I have never said I did not have hope.
I just said we're going to be running a gauntlet here.
It's an adventurous time to be alive.
It really is.
Like I say, there's some real character building opportunities ahead for us.
I mean the big things are the ones that really build character.
That's a personal opinion.
Earth changes, major earthquakes, that sort of thing.
What do you see?
Beyond all that, humans are more durable.
We appear to undergo some changes.
Humans appear a couple of generations from now to be what we would call more durable.
We are a little bit tougher.
Thick-skinned, allegorically.
In terms of earth changes, only what my company stands by and that is again the high winds
and the atmospheric geological changes that I have already talked about.
And the babies?
That is just a piece of the action there.
It is one thing.
By telling mothers about this problem, a potential problem, and alerting them to the fact that
the flag will go up when babies start to die, if this knowledge gets out, if this kind of
That's why it's so important for us, for SciTech, to be correct in the public eye.
A corporation that has really got to double check and triple check its work before we
go public.
If we attain that degree of credibility in the public eye, we really will be able to
save lives.
Not all of them.
People will still poo-poo the very existence of this type of thing, but others will listen
and will scare people enough.
They'll scare mothers and fathers enough in some instances where they will take their
babies off of hormone-injected milk.
Mothers milk, then.
Mothers milk is the way to go, yeah.
And otherwise, consider a move to a northern latitude.
uh...
I would as a community start thinking about how communities could build structures to
weather these storms and to grow food.
Major it has been a seriously interesting night and a lot of people are going to reflect
very carefully on all you've said and it's going to have scared a lot of people but I
guess you mean to do that don't you?
Again I was called Dr. Doom at the White House and I guess I earned that but the truth packs
a responsibility and it isn't always pleasant and fun and entertaining.
We as Americans love to be entertained.
This is not very entertaining, but it's very true.
And the tools that we teach, that again, tax dollars paid for so many years of research and operations, it's a tool that can discern direct knowledge and truth.
And we'll try to get that in the hands of as many young people as possible in the future.
The people who directed those tax dollars, if they heard this this morning, and I presume many of them did, are they really upset with you for this?
I think a couple may be and are already, but others like Stan Spieltz, former head of the CIA, would not be at all.
We tend in our eleventh hour of life to change.
Oftentimes I have a little practical exercise.
I move along to the moment just before I die and I look back along to the left and I ask myself at that point, problematically, is there anything I regret?
And if I can find something I regret, then I make sure I take note of that so I don't let it happen.
I don't have any roads not taken that I regret not taking.
That's a good exercise to do.
So in other words, the old saying is operative, live every day as though it was your last.
That's a close one.
And if I do have to go soon, then I want to go out in style.
I do want one of those Art Bell watches.
All right, well, I will see to it, Major.
And I want to thank you for being here this morning.
Oh, the pleasure's been mine.
All right, take care.
And I'm sure if you continue to listen, you will hear quite a bit of reaction.
Mine, too.
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