Linda Moulton Howe and an unnamed military source examine Roswell 1947 metallic fragments—aluminum with impossible 1.6x density and layered magnesium-bismuth shielding—defying Earth’s known physics, while dismissing Chupacabra photos as hoaxes yet citing bizarre animal mutilations in Mexico (1996) and Puerto Rico. Callers propose black holes, nanotech, or nuclear manipulation, but experts call it implausible without verified anomalies. Howe’s delayed book Glimpses of Other Realities (Vol. 2) promises deeper analysis, leaving open whether these materials hint at extraterrestrial tech or undiscovered science. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning, wherever you are across all these time zones from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Island chains all the way across this great nation to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole, worldwide on the internet.
In a moment, as promised, up at 2 o'clock in the morning, thank you very much.
Linda Molten Howe is going to give us a report on what have come to be known affectionately as Arts Parts.
And I'll explain about all that in a moment.
We've got a lot of new listeners out there and they will not know what we're talking about.
We'll talk a little bit about that and no doubt the chupacabra as well.
Let me get a couple things done.
Clear away the half hour and then an intriguing report on this stuff that I have received and the continuing, and that's the good word for it, continuing dilemma.
The Roswell 1947 crash.
Do I have parts from that?
We're going to ask.
All right, here we go.
It's been, how long would you say, folks?
I'm sorry, I don't remember.
I don't have the original letter in front of me.
Three weeks, a month ago, that I received from a gentleman who claims now to be in the military service, has a military career, parts that he said he was actually given after his grandfather died.
His grandfather apparently was in the military and on the crash retrieval team, the story goes, for the saucer crash at Roswell, which of course is probably the best documented, most believed UFO story in all of ufology.
Now, when I first received the materials, I am no pun intended, no rocket scientist, but they looked interesting to me.
And, you know, what do you do when you get something like this?
Do you have extraterrestrial parts on your hands, on your hand?
I didn't really think so, but, you know, I had to get them tested.
Now, I put photographs, I took photographs of them to document it right away, and I put them up on my website.
And they are up there now.
By the way, if you want to get photographs of at least the initial materials that were sent to me, the first shipment, then go to my webpage at www.artbell.com because the mystery surrounding them is beginning to deepen and what should have been a very simple solution, somebody just doing a little testing and saying these are some aluminum punch-outs.
Then I received a second shipment from this same man of parts that claimed to be a portion of the outer skin of the spacecraft, the last parts that he had.
I sent those in as well, and I enlisted Linda Moulton Howe to act as a middle person.
She knows top-drawer scientists in the country that can look at this sort of thing.
And it's an involved but fascinating story, and she's about to tell it.
Linda Moulton Howe is an Emmy Award-winning documentary producer who began reporting years ago on doing documentaries on the environment, not on crop circles and animal mutilations and the kind of things she's doing now, one of them being a very early investigation into this legend or not of the chupacabra.
And of course, we've got a photograph that pretends to be of the chupacabra as well.
Very strange photograph.
I sent Linda a printer copy of that, knocked one off on my printer and sent it off.
And so we've got a lot of subjects to cover, not the least of which is what's going on with these alleged Roswell materials that I've got.
It's a damn, I'll tell you folks, when you get something like this, you first think, wow, oh, isn't this something?
And you will quickly learn that it's more of a burden than you might imagine.
And in that opening, he said, quote, my grandfather was a member of the retrieval team referring, he says, to the Roswell UFO crash, but he does not specify which one, which date, or exactly where.
And that his grandfather was sent to the crash site just after the incident was reported, and that he died in 1974, but not before he had sat down with his family or some of them and talked about the incident.
And your anonymous source said, quoting from the April 10th letter, my grandfather stated that the metallic samples are, quote, pure extract aluminum, unquote, and they were supposed to come from the crash of a UFO near Roswell, New Mexico.
Well, we started three weeks ago the first test, and they were conducted on four of the ten different pieces that you sent to the lab scientist colleague of mine.
he has said that we could at least describe him as a professor in a major Midwestern university with some of the lab facilities that we have been using to look at some of this material.
And he has helped me and some of the other people investigating this phenomenon for the last six or seven years.
Well, in terms of a professor in a university with major lab facilities who is able to help us and doing so really on his own time, this is as good as we could possibly have at this point because in so much of these investigations, the kind of analysis that we need on a lot of things is so expensive if you go to outside labs.
Several of us, ranging from Bud Hopkins in abductions to a variety of other people, Stanton Friedman, we need colleagues that are in universities or labs who are willing to help with these difficult subjects.
And this man is one of those who has helped us for the last half dozen years, and his work has always been very, very good.
Now, in these first tests three weeks ago, we looked at four of those ten different pieces that you sent.
If anybody has gone to the website and seen the photographs, they will see a number of what look like little squares, and amid the squares there are two ellipticals, well, two ellipticals that our scientist has, and a circle, a very thin, less than one millimeter, ten inch long, one and a half inch wide.
It is sort of like a very thin blade, and I believed in one of the photographs that it is lying there looking like almost like a piece of ribbon.
Well, right now, what I'm going to focus on would be in the upper right corner of that photograph of all those little squares and two ovals in a circle.
When in the first test, which remember you were concerned about not cutting into or destroying any of the pieces about three weeks ago.
So what the scientists used was a scanning electron microscope with an attachment called an energy dispersive spectroscope or EDS.
And what this allowed us to do was examine the surfaces of four different metal samples and isolate sections as small as one to two microns.
When you hear microns, think of a blood cell.
A blood cell is about seven microns in diameter.
So something that is one to two microns is one-seventh or two-sevenths the size of a blood cell.
Now, what they do is they take a beam of electrons and expel them down to this small site that they've got in the electron microscope's target.
And they bombard the metal at that point, and they knock out some of the electrons of this unknown piece that we've got, starting with we're talking now about these little squares.
Those electrons give off a very specific X-ray wavelength, which a computer matches to specific elements.
In the case of Arts Parts, these unknown pieces, four of the pieces that they tested, which included one of the vents, included one of the squares, one of the circles, and the long, thin, ribbon-like piece.
They found essentially that it was above 99% aluminum, which is essentially a kind of pure aluminum.
And it is stressed by scientists that the best way to say it is above 99%, because there could be traces of something from hands or from handling.
But above 99% is the active phrase here on these pieces.
Yeah, the Alcoa aluminum people will refer to it as 4-9 aluminum.
Now, one of the small rectangles with the tiny slits in it showed about 1% manganese.
So it was at least it had a trace of another element in it.
And there were some very small grains of silicon, about 1 to 2 microns in diameter, attached to two of the metal fragments, but they were not alloyed within the aluminum.
It was perhaps contact.
This might come into contact if the pieces had been on the ground.
Yes, there were very thin horizontal striations which would be consistent if the little squares had come in contact with a surface and had rubbed across, but we just don't know at that point.
We just know that there were these few little tiny 1 to 2 micron silicon pieces.
Now, for clarity, to discuss the anomalies that we have so far, let's go sort of in a short little list that first, nearly pure aluminum that is 1 millimeter or less thick should be soft enough to bend.
But the lab scientists said that the little squares are too hard to bend with his fingers.
Now, that is unusual, but we need to do, we know we need to do further hardness testing on this.
And second, when the five little squares were weighed and measured, each was six millimeters by six millimeters by one millimeter, and each weighed exactly 160 milligrams.
And we reported that on our first report about this.
And there was a very sharp listener in Denver, Pennsylvania, who faxed me and said if those measurements are correct, 6 by 6 by 1 millimeters, then, and it's a 99% and above aluminum, then it should weigh 97 milligrams, not 160.
Yeah, what could account for such a huge density difference?
And from a scientist's point of view, I've been talking with a lot of people, including one of Alcoa Aluminum's most respected and retired aluminum specialists.
He started working with Alcoa Aluminum in 1954 and retired recently.
And he said, if you had an unusual amount of something or other that causes this huge density increase from 2.7 to 4.4 grams per cubic centimeter, which that in itself astonished him, he said it could well be that you'd get a very distorted crystallographic structure that could give you a clue as to what's going on.
And so he is suggesting something that the scientists and I have talked about that we need to do, which is if we can look at the crystal structure and see how the atoms relate to each other in the crystals of aluminum.
Well, Art, a metallurgist, was involved in this particular one, and they put the piece in wax and they cut through and they look at the cross-section, and there's more aluminum.
And the only thing that they could come up with that was any different than just more aluminum, aluminum, aluminum, as we have said a couple weeks ago, is less than 1% zinc somewhat in the center of the cross-section, but essentially it was one big aluminum peak again.
So there wasn't any discernible structure.
It was again apparently above 90 or yeah, it was above 99% aluminum with less than 1% zinc when they did the cross-section.
And the various possibilities have included the suggestion that we might have some kind of an isotope in there of aluminum, although aluminum is supposed to have really only essentially one major isotope.
It would be very unusual if they do some kind of a mass spectroscopy test and they look at the isotopes.
And if an extraordinary number of neutrons were found, which is an atom is made up of protons and neutrons, sort of at its central core and spinning around, or now in quantum physics they say in all places at once are different electrons per element.
And if an extraordinary number of neutrons are found, which is what relates to isotope measurement, we will definitely be in unknown territory that could prove that we have something not known to Earth sciences, but until those kinds of tests are done, we are still holding pieces that are essentially aluminum with these unusual properties.
Now, when we jump to the new pieces that were sent to you.
Now, we were lucky this afternoon that the scientist was able to get time on the scanning electron microscope and EDS again, and this is what he found.
The size of the two pieces that you sent are about two inches long by one inch wide, but only two to three millimeters thick.
It's fairly hard, but so brittle it can be broken easily.
And the scientists confirmed that, and that is also consistent with this man's third letter.
Now, everybody, try to imagine in your mind a piece of cake that has many thin layers with bright silver color on top and a very dark charcoal black on the bottom.
When he looked at the bright silver side with the EDS, the elemental composition is greater than 95% magnesium.
The other element that showed up was about 1 to 3% zinc mixed with that shiny magnesium.
On the dark charcoal side, the EDS showed 60% magnesium and 40% bismuth.
Well, when the lab prepared a polished cross-section of this piece, this is what they found.
And now we're going to go back into that mind of seeing this cake analogy that we're looking at of about 15 or so very thin layers.
The microscope and the EDS showed layers of magnesium about 100 to 200 microns thick glued or stuck together by a very thin and wavy film of bismuth that's only one to two microns thick.
It is not a good conductor of heat or electricity.
And it has a relatively low melting temperature.
And we'll get to that in just a moment.
But think about these layers, that if a blood cell is seven microns in diameter, the bismuth is basically a film that is one-seventh the size of a blood cell in between each of these thin, thin layers of magnesium, and that there are 15 or more layers of the magnesium bismuth, magnesium bismuth, magnesium bismuth, and so forth.
And he took this information and facts back, and he said that this material would make a good, what's called an ablative shield for a spacecraft because bismuth does have this low melting point and along with magnesium doesn't conduct heat well.
If it was attached to something as an outside coating that was moving fast to the friction of our atmosphere, it would melt perhaps thin layer by thin layer, giving off a lot of heat energy, which would preserve the underlying layers in the craft.
It is something our own space program has used.
And why this is the way, if it is a technology from someplace else, why there would be this specific layering on the outside could only be known to the creators of that craft.
But this is an interesting hypothesis that that's why these particular elements might be sandwiched together like this.
But we have magnesium and bismuth in the new pieces, no aluminum, and we have all aluminum with tiny traces of things in all the other pieces with the anomalies of the weight and the unusual, we'll call it bigger hardness than solid aluminum should be in terms of trying to bend these little pieces.
And I'm sitting here today on this 1st of June early morning realizing that what started as maybe another wild goose chase has now got me talking to many people in many fields wishing that I had 10 PhDs and wondering, Art, maybe this is perhaps leading toward a true anomaly.
That we have something, we may not ever be able to prove its source, but that we are right now in a very baffling area to scientists about this density.
Why should the density be different?
And historically, it's interesting to note that back in the 1950s when an alleged craft of some sort supposedly came down in Ubatuba, Brazil, there were pieces that were parceled out to scientists back then.
And there is a man who has a book out now who discusses that case.
His name is Paul Hill, and it's called Uncommon Flying Objects, a Scientific Analysis.
And Mr. Hill reports that the density of one of the fragments back in the Brazil case in the 50s was determined for a small, carefully polished piece taken from the center of the fragment, sort of the way that we have been doing things.
And they weighed it.
And operators and spectators alike were in for a surprise.
Three successive tests all showed a density of 1.866.
The expected density of magnesium was 1.741.
They have this discrepancy again in the density of these tests on the magnesium back in this 1950s case in Brazil, which was never resolved.
Here is a historic case that has always been sort of hanging out there in the history of UFO phenomena as what were these pieces and the fact that they did find a slight density anomaly there.
Now I know that some people I've talked to that have alleged artifacts, they're going to start looking at this density issue in other pieces that have come up.
It may be that this is an area that may begin to separate out something where we would have everybody says, well, how can we prove that this wasn't built or manufactured on the Earth?
If there's something extraordinary in neutrons or in the crystalline structure, we may at least be saying we've got something that is not explainable in current technology.
And if so, where did it come from and how was it made?
No, and for those who haven't heard the Dreamland report, I had talked with a couple of engineers from Alcoa a couple of weeks ago and had updated you that when one of our listeners had faxed in that, well, this must be aluminum scrap punchouts.
The fact is that the engineers at Alcoa, when they looked at these photographs, they could not just say, which is what I expected, right off the bat, oh, this is aluminum scrap punch-out.
In fact, one of their first questions was, what are those rectangle slit objects?
You could have what this man describes in the letter, and unfortunately we don't have a name, we don't have a physical source of which crash, and that makes this, I think, sadly lacking in the kinds of details that we really need for a real case story.
But I also understand that the source has stressed in all three letters that he is concerned about his family, his livelihood, his own career, and feels that it could be jeopardized.
And I think that that is probably one of the saddest comments on everything that we're looking into, that we are still living in a paradigm that is saying that much of this must remain off-limits.
And I wish that this would change so that all of us in the human family could be involved in these investigations of what is this apparent other intelligence that's interacting with our planet.
Now, whether these pieces are in fact from spacecraft from somewhere else in the universe, we may never know the definitive answer to that question.
All we've got are the three letters from an anonymous source, and that right now we sit not being able to dismiss these easily on any normal analysis saying that this is clearly punch-outs, this is scrap, that this is current-day aluminum manufacturing.
Well, that would certainly be helpful because I took the photograph that you sent me along with the drawings that I have from my research in Puerto Rico and some drawings from some children in Juarez, Mexico, where there have also been eyewitnesses to seeing a creature attack dogs and other animals there.
And I laid them all out on the desk of a man who's a very respected vertebrate biologist, is the correct title.
And he is in the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia.
And it was extraordinary to be in an office in which we were surrounded by dinosaur fossils.
We were surrounded by fish fossils, reptile fossils, mammal.
There were bones of all kinds of different species in this office.
There were photographs of every animal conceivable.
There were drawings of various kinds of dinosaurs going back 65 million years ago and more in terms of artist recreation from fossil bones.
We were literally surrounded by all of the evolutionary aspects of animal life on this planet in this big office, the Academy, and here I am sitting across the desk and laying down these drawings and the photograph that you sent me.
And he looked at them for a moment and then, like I've seen so many scientists, they kind of throw their hands up in the air and they it's a sort of scoffing laugh and they say, this doesn't, and this is what he said, this doesn't fall into any category that I am familiar with at all.
Therefore, I do not believe that the eyewitnesses are credible.
And if your communicator on that photograph has more information, more detailed information, how was this photo taken?
From what distance, are we looking at something that is six inches tall, close up with a macro?
Or are we talking about something that is bigger with a wider lens?
But the scientist immediately dismissed it as a hoax because he said it looked like a hodgepodge of a collection of things that he would suspect that somebody would throw together.
Now, one of the interesting things was that the head of the creature actually resembles, I'm saying resembles, a flying fox bat head.
If people go to encyclopedias or these CD-ROMs now that are for encyclopedias of animals, you will see heads of a flying fox bat that resemble this.
My name is Art Bell, and my guest is Linda Moulton Howe.
She is an Emmy Award-winning documentary producer, investigator, scientist, has looked into crop circles, animal mutilations, the Chupacabra mystery, long before it became as popular as it is today.
And most recently, into those pieces of metal, those very now anomalous pieces of metal that I received purporting to be from the Roswell crash.
It's been a careful, plotting, one-hour presentation of scientific evidence that would seem at this point to leave us in a completely anomalous, strange, unexplainable position with these pieces of metal.
And now the latest materials that are even in some ways, I don't know if you'd say they're more mysterious, but they certainly are mysterious.
We'll get back to it and your questions in a moment.
I've got some faxes.
So, Linda Howe, back in a moment.
And, Linda, as we come back to this, let me read you a couple of faxes, and you can react to them if you want.
Mm-hmm.
One says, Golly Art, bismuth, is in the same periodic table of the elements column as would be element 115, which would be just below it.
Element 115 is, of course, the element that Mr. Lazar claims powered some flying saucers.
Now, that's followed by this one.
Art bismuth melting point is 544.52 Kelvin degrees.
Bismuth is the most diamagnetic of all metals, and the thermal conductivity is lower than any metal except mercury.
It has high electrical resistance and has the highest Hall effect, any metal of any metal, the greatest increase in electrical resistance when placed in a magnetic field.
Which is low in comparison to several other metals, which if this hypothesis were correct, that it was a shield, that all these little layers were actually designed to do melting under certain conditions, that might be part of the reason.
But we are trying to second guess here something that is unknown.
And I feel that right now it's very interesting to study more about this whole combination of the magnesium and the bismuth.
And I have gotten similar facts about these characteristics of bismuth.
And if we are talking also about UFOs that have traditionally been associated with strong electromagnetic fields or magnetic fields or moving in magnetic fields, that something that was resistant to magnetic fields may be as necessary as something that would conduct.
And so we could find in one particular spacecraft a number of different elements and different configurations that would meet a lot of different needs.
Maybe the man in Charleston, South Carolina, who sent me this stuff, listening now to the report and to you, realizing himself that he sent me what may be the real thing, would contact us.
Maybe he'd be willing to come forward.
I mean, after all, Linda, my God, these may be things from elsewhere.
And if that is the case, it seems to me, I don't want to say he has a duty.
He's in the military, and I know he's frightened with regard to his career.
But with this kind of news, I would make an appeal to him that this is getting to be such an important story that getting the details now behind this and confirming that his grandfather was at Roswell would tie a pink ribbon on it.
Well, I know that, and I understand and sympathize with this man.
I have talked with so many people who feel totally vulnerable to a system that they feel is threatening to their livelihood when in fact all we're trying to do is understand the truth around these disks.
But what we really need, even if it could be confidentially shared and not even for public dissemination, if you, I, if we could have a name that we could try to track down historically, not his name, but his grandfather's name, to simply confirm that this person existed, something like that would certainly help to discuss.
Do you think you could say to him with any degree of certainty that if you were to provide that kind of information in view of what we may have on our hands here that his career would not be in jeopardy?
We should all, it seems to me, we should all know what the truth is here, but there is some kind of implied threat.
And we've seen it in many cases in debriefings with military people who have come face to face with either a disc or some kind of non-human looking creature.
And they are they really literally come out of these briefings feeling like that their entire life will be threatened if they discuss anything.
And so I understand and sympathize with this man.
On the other hand, if we have something that continues to be this anomalous, and we don't have more of a hard, firm historic data to go around it, we don't even know, this would be helpful,
if he knows what specific, even latitude and longitude, if he knew those sort of details or how many miles from what small town or larger town or something that would place a specific knowledge of where this alleged crash was supposed to have happened,
because as you and I so well know now, there are stories of many different types, it appears, of crashes in different time periods that whatever happened on the Corona ranch in 1947, July, may be one of only half a dozen or more types of crashes in and around 46 to maybe 53.
But I can't imagine what would be gained by anyone trying to threaten you or me or anybody else on this.
These are out there.
They're hanging out there.
We're doing our best to understand what they are.
If the government at some level felt that it was compromising for the world to know that there could be aluminum structured with a different density, why?
And why can we not all know?
Now, I understand and I'm not naïve about the Cold War and keeping technological advances, whether it was material and R ⁇ D that we were learning from actual spacecraft and keeping it away from our perceived enemies and understand that we were in that kind of a climate, and there may still be arguments today along those lines.
But on the other hand, this is like a gusher now.
There are people and eyewitnesses and anomalous phenomena that are occurring on the planet globally, and they seem to be associated with silver disks.
And in fact, in the Chupacagras phenomena that we were talking about just before this last break, There were children and adults in Juarez, Mexico, starting from about January through March.
And they were reporting to police, provoked a team that was the Channel 9, NBC affiliate station in El Paso, to go down to Juarez because they were reporting that round silver saucer-shaped objects with a row of colored lights around the circumference were landing in this remote area of Juarez, literally landing.
The children even claimed that they were seeing small beings that were brown-colored coming out of these discs.
Well, there is, first there's the knee-jerk reaction, like the scientist that I talked to Friday, who says, well, this can't be, that eyewitnesses can't possibly be correct, that if it doesn't fit our current accepted paradigm, it doesn't exist.
I've always come from a journalistic tradition where you interview people, you interview more than one.
If you get a pattern of eyewitness testimony, you have to at least take it seriously, and you have to follow facts where they lead.
You don't have preconceived conclusions.
And right now, I think that the fact that there have been reports from many people to the point that it provoked teams of people and the NBC crew to go down to Juarez says that enough was happening and enough was being reported that it caught people's attention.
And the children were making these drawings.
And what were they drawing?
They were drawing, in this one case, a nine-year-old drew something that she said she saw attack her own dog and there was trauma involved.
So she has a drawing that shows these, we call it the serrated edge or feathers or spikes or whatever, on a creature that has three pointed toes.
It does not have any of the feeling as if a child were looking at a tabloid newspaper and copying it.
This appears to have the characteristics of what people have also described in Puerto Rico, in which I have many drawings and eyewitness descriptions in Puerto Rico.
But it is now not confined to Puerto Rico.
The reports in Juarez, Mexico have been only part of a huge wave of these similar reports from the north to the south of Mexico.
There have been reports in Costa Rica, San Jose, and in Panama and Ecuador, which means that Central America into South America, there are these similar kind of reports, similar kind of puncture marks in animals.
And then in the last two months, we've had news of at least, if not the puncture marks, in a few cases, an unusual looking creature in Sweetwater, Florida, Tucson, Arizona, Selmar, California.
And this would be in areas that would be in proximity to the Mexico-United States southern border.
So if there is something there, it could be coming up over the border.
And I think that we should give serious attention.
And when the vertebrate biologist threw up his hands after discussing a lot more details about what people had reported, he said, well, look, you bring me in one of these things and lay it on this desk.
And he said, and I can guarantee you I'll give it a good examination.
And he said, even if you bring me a bone, if you bring me skin, he says, I can at least tell you where it comes from.
Yeah, and in terms of the bats, because there's a great deal of confusion about bats, they would be like small furry animals with these strange bat-like wings.
They all have fur or hair on their head.
And when you go to the photograph, you can see that whatever that is, it's a smooth, slick skin.
I've looked at them, and I've compared them to my drawings and did this with the scientists.
I'm looking at two or three of the drawings right now, and most of the people have said that the hands of the chupacabras that they have come close face-to-face encounter with in Puerto Rico resemble human hands, except that there are only three digits with very long two-inch nails.
Now, the drooping aspect of the drawings in Puerto Rico, it's hard to say whether or not those could be talons and could match what's in that picture.
And if we could find out where exactly this photograph was taken and how big all of the people, whether they've been children or adults, who have seen the alleged chupacabris unidentified creature close up, say that it is about four feet to five feet tall when it stands up on two legs and tends to go down on four.
Well, if there's something four to five feet tall, for example, there's not a bat body in the world that would be four to five feet long.
There may be wide wingspreads, but the bodies of the bats are not four to five feet long.
And this particular creature that is drawn is often shown standing on two feet with this strange feather-like whatever it is that goes from the head or the neck down to the bottom of the spine and seems to be red-colored.
That has been described by many people.
And if it's feathers, I mean, if there are three fingers and three toes, one of the things that the vertebrate biologist brought up in that meeting Friday was that on our planet now, in modern life, the animal that has three toes is in the bird family.
And the birds are connected in evolution back to the dinosaurs that became extinct about 65 million years ago.
And the birds have continued until our modern age as the closest link to the dinosaurs.
The dinosaurs had three digits with talons on them.
Whether or not there is any possible link whatsoever to something in that kind of evolutionary connection, I don't know.
But most animals, and certainly not mammals, do not have three digits.
And this audience should know, some of them have not followed you, that for many, many months before it hit the mainstream press, which it's now doing with a vengeance, was on the front page of the San Diego Union Tribune the other day.
You have been going to Puerto Rico and reporting on the chupacabra back when nobody ever heard of the chupacabra unless they listened to your reports on Dreamland.
Well, I'm sensitive to unusual animal deaths because how I got into all this phenomenon in the first place goes back to the fall of 79 when I started trying to find out what was happening in what then was called animal mutilations,
where largely cattle and horses and other domestic animals, but largely cattle and horses, were affected by something that was excising the same essential pattern of tissue from here, eye, the jaw, flesh, the tongue, the genitals, and the rectal tissue cord out.
And I did the documentary, A Strange Harvest, about that phenomenon.
And over the last 16 years, as I have researched more about the unusual deaths there and found myself going headfirst into this area called the UFO phenomena, not being prepared that I would be starting out in an environmental investigation with animals and find myself listening to law enforcement and ranchers and others describing their eyewitness sightings of these discs, lighted discs, silver discs.
And in fact, Art, last night I talked with a man who was in the federal marshal's office.
I've worked on many nuclear projects for the NASA, DOD, and DOE in the last 17 years.
I've seen some pretty interesting stuff in physical impossibilities become realities, arts, parts.
The aluminum components demonstrating twice the normal density sounds like another one of those physical impossibilities, which is going to kick us in the butt.
And so he supplied me with a phone number, and I'm now bringing him on the air with Linda Howe.
Well, the density of the aluminum segments that you have, I could easily see something on the order of 5 or 10% variance in weight.
But a 60% variance says that there's something else going on there.
Now, Linda told me about the several recalibrations that they did on the various balances and scales that they used.
So they've pretty much eliminated all of the laboratory errors that I would check for first.
The other thing they talked about there was the possibility of the isotopes.
And then based on the first values I had, which was that the density was twice as high as the original aluminum might have, that would require an addition of something like 30 additional neutrons to try to get those densities up that high.
There are with most isotopes or most materials that you deal with, there's a certain range where the element is very stable.
And then the isotopes are the same number of protons for the atom, but have two or three less or more neutrons, depending upon the isotope we're talking about.
They don't last very long, minutes and seconds in this particular case.
Well, part of the wonders of the atomic bomb is that the materials are compressed by an explosive device to get it to the right density, which is higher than one would expect to see in nature.
And while we don't use the same process with explosive for hurfing, it is possible to use a very large press and a very rapid acceleration to squeeze material into 100% theoretical density.
Now, most of your material have small air pockets or porosity associated with them, so they're not quite 100% theoretically dense.
If you had a process that could somehow go beyond this 100% and then cool the material fast enough, you would be able to freeze the atoms in a tighter structure.
The problem is the ability to withdraw the heat from the material.
So the best I've seen is 100% theoretical density.
So if you've got somebody that's come up with a if it turns out to be aluminum and 60% greater density, you've got a process that I'm not aware of here on Earth.
This is so hard to talk about because when people they listen casually, but what we're really saying here, or maybe we're afraid to say it, is that this really may be from elsewhere.
And, you know, I keep thinking that there were scientists and military people in the 40s to the 50s who must have been doing the same thing we're trying to do now, and how many times have they done it, and how much of this information is locked away in highly sensitive compartmentalized files spread all over in various places of this country and maybe other parts of the world,
and that we all keep sort of repeating, stumbling forward, trying to figure this out.
If the government has a lot of these answers, when are they going to share them?
Well, the interesting thing, too, is that even if we are, in our own small way, beginning to understand that there is something here about density in relationship to some kind of metallic structure that doesn't fit what we have on Earth,
and we get more and more scientists involved, we may, in fact, end up doing something or discovering something, even if it's old news inside of the inner sanctum in the government, we may finally, at least, we may have something that could attract the attention of the scientific world, I hope, and that we could get some breakthroughs on the civilian end.
Well, I'm beginning to wonder, with the detailed information that we've dispensed tonight with regard to these parts, if we're not likely to draw attention, again, I wonder about that.
At some point, somebody out there is going to say, we need to go visit Mr. Bell and see this stuff.
One of which was if you took some of the destroyed samples that you had and melted them and allow them to reform, do they come back to their normal density?
And if they do, again, it's sort of proving that you can't do something rather than saying that you can.
It's the reverse of trying to prove that they're man-made.
Which is a good point because we could take, if Art said it was okay, one more, because there were a lot of those squares, we could take one and melt it and see if we weighed again, if it did return to the weight it should be.
I did some work for NASA a few years back with ultra-lightweight ceramic materials for micrometeoroid protection of spacecraft.
And the other application was a radiator for it.
And in that, we used composites, ceramic fibers with metals layered much similarly.
In order to get a metal to stick to the ceramic fiber like glass, you'd have to coat it with copper or a nickel plating first, and then you could put on a different metal.
So how difficult do you think it would be to lay down one to two microns film of bismuth and then 200 to 300 or 100 to 200 millimeters of get my notes here?
I get the microns.
I don't want to get it this mixed up or off, but the layers are very small, each one.
I ask some of the metallurgists and the people who had worked with aluminum at Sandia, and I'll color that question also.
And if you're dealing with above 99% aluminum, you basically have an element that is that element regardless where it is.
But now aluminum in terms of the natural earth is not found anywhere in nature at 99.9%.
That has to be manufactured.
So that right there, anything that is coming up to what is known as 1100 aluminum or 409 aluminum separates it away from anything that would be found naturally on the Earth.
And when you get into that category, whether it was a Zeta reticuli or an Epsilon Eridani or a system in another galaxy, and they produced 99.999 aluminum, it's going to be the same element, whether it's on the Earth in this solar system or any other planetary system.
Well, the density issue is something that If I understand from just the broad brush of the periodic table, at least in the physics of this Earth and going out as far as we see spectral lines of other elements, and Brent, step in here, I'm trying to get across the idea that the element is the same element, whether it is at the Earth or whether it is a light year from here, correct?
So for the density of aluminum to change between the Earth and, say, another solar system, would it make sense that the density would change just because it was in a different part of the universe?
Well, there may have been 40 years ago for an ablative shield for spacecraft nose cones or bodies trying to maneuver through the atmosphere, the ICBMs and things like that.
And it sounds like that would be consistent where the source wrote in his letter that it was found as the undercoating on the craft.
And it appeared, at least if the source is correct, as a coating to the disk, then what you're describing, for whatever reasons, it might have been used as a protective shield in some part of this craft.
That was Brent, a nuclear engineer at Westinghouse Hanford Company in Richland, Washington.
And I'm trying to be very careful, as I know you are, Linda, in presenting this piece by piece by piece so people may understand what it seems to be that we have on our hands here.
And I think we've done that in the last couple of hours.
Now, I have promised the audience that they could ask questions, but I wanted them to understand exactly where we are.
And I think you've been very careful and plotting and meticulous in describing where we are with all of this and how strange it really is.
And I have watched you and listened to you from the beginning when you and I both thought maybe junk, maybe a hoax, and then sort of a tentative, gee, what's this?
And then a more careful, oh my, look at this.
And through the weeks here, as there's been a careful investigation, you have become excited and intrigued.
And now we're to the point where we've really got something fairly solid in the weeks to come or in the days or weeks to come with more testing.
I presume the bigger the mystery, the more they're going to jump into the middle of it.
They've got to try now some tests that could look at the crystal structure, that could see what kind of isotopes are there.
And probably each test is going to either solve something, resolve something, or it's going to raise more questions that will go on to more tests.
And so I would say we're on a journey here.
And until we have some kind of an answer, or everybody throws up their hands and says, we can't solve this density issue, which I think would be surprising in 1996 if we can't even come up with why there is a density in homework.
We're talking with Linda Bolton Howe, Emmy Award-winning documentary producer, a science investigator, crop circles, animal mutilations, and most recently, what may be the smoking gun, or in this case, smoking aluminum, and more.
Parts that we've received that are really tremendously anomalous.
It's kind of freaky.
If you want to ask Linda Howe a question, I promise as soon as we get back to her in a moment, we're going to open the lines, and it's your turn.
We really should do more interviews now with people who are physicists and specialty in this whole area of density.
I hope to do that myself in the coming week.
I feel that we're in an area where it's difficult for us to give any hard answers right now because all of the people that I have talked to so far who are professionals are having a difficult time understanding how density would be 1.6 times.
They're having a difficult time with that.
So the mechanism of how that would be accomplished, we need to learn more about.
About I'm calling concerning the dating of the aluminum pieces that you have.
The possibility, well, I'm thinking of in pre-Columbian art, forgeries are identified by taking the cross-section and measuring the thickness of a patina, which is the effect of the environment on the material.
So if your electron microscopy could measure that thickness, you might have something to work with.
Well, our nuclear man a moment ago basically cautiously said that you could only theoretically do something like this, and he doesn't know of anybody who's ever done it.
But if you were EPs in another solar system, you would still have to use some kind of a manufacturing process to produce this.
So any way you cut it, we are dealing with manufactured pieces that may have different properties, say, than the patina on gold, brass, or bronze in artifacts on this earth.
Yeah, but you know, I've had at least 10 or 12 people say that they saw a creature that looked like this or that, and it looked like this movie or that movie.
And none of them have been the same.
It's like everybody has seen their own little movie and they say, no, it's from that movie.
Well, I don't know for sure that it's from any movie, and nobody has supplied any evidence yet that it's from any specific movie.
It's easy to call up and say, well, it looks like the creature in such and such a movie until we have evidence or a film clip to go by.
And art often, meaning not you, Art, but the field of art, film, and so forth, very often accidentally imitates life.
It's funny, but it's true.
Sometimes it anticipates things.
And whether or not there's anything that is identical to what these creatures have been by eyewitnesses have been described, I don't know, but I'll say this.
I've seen plaster casts of highly unusual tracks, three-toed tracks, that were prepared by a civil defense engineer in Puerto Rico.
Those are real.
The tracks were real.
That there are, when you interview a veterinarian who is baffled by the puncture wounds in a variety of animals that have been brought to his clinic, including a rabbit that had a quarter-inch wide by four-inch long straw, as straight as a straw hole going from the lower part of the jaw directly into the brain.
And when in the necropsy, the veterinarian could find no hemorrhaging even in the brain and is still baffled by that, you begin to enter into why you have to give some serious consideration to the eyewitnesses because the animals constitute the evidence.
There are now literally hundreds of animals that have been brought to clinics and to police officers in various places.
Well, in terms of the ones that have been examined, I would say they've been examined in the hundreds.
And they have these odd puncture marks.
And they are not the multiple fang marks of coyotes and wolves in the sense that I literally have a hundred photographs of what natural predators do to every kind of livestock.
And there's always multiple puncture holes.
What I'm talking about, and I have seen in videotape and in photographs, are singular holes that, for the most part, don't have fluid blood coming out of them.
There may be a slight fluid around any adjacent hair, but a lot of these holes, the hair has actually fallen out of the follicle around the sort of a crater rim that has been created by inflammation while the animal was still alive.
The problem with dogs, I've seen so many photographs of dog attacks, a dog can clamp onto something and it will leave, let's say it's going to leave four or six or eight chop marks, and they aren't going to be necessarily very symmetrical.
And quite often, dogs literally will tear something apart in a frenzy.
That's well known when dogs really get into something.
No, no, and this is now going by a veterinarian's examination of several animals ranging from birds to rabbits to goats.
The holes are well defined.
I've seen the photographs in the videotape myself.
The punctures have ranged on an average of three-quarters of an inch by a quarter of an inch.
And then there are these other strange ones like the four-inch long.
Well, there's no known thing that would make a four-inch straight tunnel from the lower jaw into the brain.
As Dr. Soto said, what could make this kind of a penetrating hole and not leave any hemorrhaging along the root of it?
These are the kinds of anomalies that we don't understand.
And when you then go to the fact that people in Puerto Rico and Mexico and in further geographic areas are describing a creature that sounds similar, I think you also have to give some deference to those large now numbers of eyewitness testimony.
Well, again, to answer that question, we have tested, thankfully, I'm glad I asked that question, for radiation and there is no apparent radiation, correct, Linda?
It doesn't make sense to me, but then this is one of the areas that Brent and I talked about of doing more research on this impact bonding, this explosive bonding, and so I'll see what more I can learn.
Would it be possible to take some aluminum and put it in a centrifuge and spin it up to about 100 Gs and melt it down at that 100 G and see what kind of a density we could get out of it?
Well, if you're suggesting that somebody would have done this and then produced these other materials sent that Linda described, it would be an incredibly expensive way to do a hoax, and it's almost impossible to believe that that would have occurred.
What I was going to say is one other hypothesis on the density of the aluminum is that it could have been made nanotechnologically by individually arranging the atoms in the crystalline structure in a denser model because crystals have a certain amount of space in them because the way atoms naturally line up.
If you could use nanotechnological manufacturing processes to line them up in a denser manner, you could achieve a better density in aluminum different isotope.
So again, your guess, sir, is that it is elsewhere.
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Obviously.
Well, I can't say obviously yet, but I think that what you're pointing at is one of the directions that we're going to be looking at in terms of this crystallography and the isotope studies and if in fact we're dealing with material in which the atomic structure, the literal internal workings of the atomic structure have somehow been, I don't know if the word tampered, but manipulated, we are clearly getting into a category of material that we can't do.
And he made this statement that the objects you're fusing or dealing with, You start out with less than 20 atomic weight, and after you progress for some days, I didn't write down all the details, but you have above 80, an atomic weight of above 80, from below 20 to above 80.
Yeah, Stanton and I called tonight because he was so curious about what he'd heard about the preliminary findings that he called me, and we had a long conversation.
And after talking tonight, he is now even further intrigued.
He said that if this density is, in fact, 1.6 times above 99% aluminum should be, that that is, for his point of view, that is one of the most impressive findings that he's heard of.
If we had more data points, yes, Stanton and I would be talking about that very issue.
But we need the data points of what specific date, what specific location, what connection this person had with which particular military or intelligence group.
Right now, we don't know anything beyond a grandfather and a Roswell crash.
And even Stanton, in his own files, has hard data on many more than one Roswell crash.
And as far as I'm concerned, as far as the scientist who has gone back and recalibrated and they've tried different scales even, I mean, when you go into multiple scales and you keep getting the same results, I think that we are past the point of arguing whether there could be lab mistakes on the scale calibration.
Assuming all of that is correct and that the density is 1.6 times what aluminum should be, that, like what everyone else says, Stanton has fingered as being this has got to be explained or resolved.
And if it continues to lead us into areas where we find and we talk about the whole isotope issue and about biography.
For 30 more minutes, and then we're going to let her go to sleep.
Linda Moulton Howe is here, kind of a special event in view of what's been discovered about the materials that were sent to me.
Remarkable.
All right, it's very late on the East Coast, so that's where Linda Moulton Howe is.
In view of the careful scientific presentation with regard to the materials that I've got and the results thus far, Linda, I'm going to get a lot of inquiries because of this from the press and from scientific sources, you know, genuine inquiries.
And I would like to be able to point them in your direction.
Well, that's one of the things we're going to look at, but it wouldn't explain why all of these pieces have a weight that is and a density that is 1.6 times what it should be.
That's the part we're trying to understand.
If it does return to normal, then we have also another part of the story, but we haven't done that yet.
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And I'm not saying whether it was made here or on another planet or by extraterrestrials or whatever.
I firmly believe that a lot of things that we find today deep in the ground or whatever that were made, they found metals that we can't even make today around Noah's One of the things that I'm suggesting is that this metal was made under a very high pressure.
Much higher than the atmospheric pressure of the earth that we have.
Yes, and that's what we were referring to earlier in the program when I was going through step by step.
And what we've been learning is one of the reasons to look at the crystal structure and the isotope structure and a lot of other things is that if this is a manufacturing process that's been able to affect the number of neutrons or some other arrangement of the atom, we're dealing with a technology that everyone that I've talked to so far says we can't do yet.
The only thing I might suggest is put that one of those pieces through the cyclotron down there at Columbia University where they bombard it with nuclear and go through the material.
Well, this has come up also, and these are all, I think that if we made a list of all the tests that people would be done, it would be about 25 or 50 lines long.
And what we're up against is how do we do priorities and get the most out of each of the tests that we are able to do?
And right now, I don't know exactly how we're going to do that.
This is the labor that I'm in on Volume 2 of Glimpses of Other Realities.
And a lot of people have been writing because I had hoped that I would have this book out this summer.
But it's a very complex book, and it looks like now that the earliest that it will be out will be September of 1996.
And this volume is about high strangeness in several categories.
And I'm going to hope that the weight is worth it.
It's some of the most intriguing material that I've ever come across in my investigative career.
And I'm trying to do it justice in this book.
And sometimes this is the most difficult when you have the highest strangeness material and you want to present it at least as credibly as possible to an audience.
And also, Linda, I faxed you something earlier about some anomalous materials that were of the wrong density as well, not by the margin that we have here.
They found that there was a discrepancy in the density of that mag that was magnesium.
And if their calculations were correct, or at least Paul Hill's analysis that they were dealing with, I believe it was magnesium-26 in its purest form, and that was highly unusual.
And so again, the question comes up, are we going to find that if these are artifacts from a flying saucer disc, are all or only some of the materials that make them up of altered densities?
And that again comes back to the analogy I made.
We're all stumbling in the dark because we have the spots of the giraffe.
We don't have the whole giraffe.
We don't have the context of these pieces.
We don't know where they came from.
And the fact that the man at least tells us that the bismuth and the magnesium layered came from the bottom of the craft is helpful.
And one of the things I thought about is that in a lot of photographs over the last 50 years, a lot of the bottoms of the craft almost look like black holes, dark holes.
They don't reflect.
Is it because there is a surface there, or is it because there is some sort of an electromagnetic anomaly or a magnetic anomaly around the craft at that particular point that's related to some sort of material or structure or function underneath the craft?
We may beginning to get some insights, but we just don't have the context within which to place these artifacts even where they were found.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Linda Moltenhow.
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Hi, Art.
My name is Mike.
And my request is to, not too long ago, I heard you talking with the person in a color about a Docousteau report of an animal similar to the chupacabra on an island.
My request was that would it be possible for you to communicate with someone in the Jacques Gustau society and maybe communicate with someone in the expedition and interview them live on the radio?
Do you think this chupacabra, do you think these are the creatures that are operating these UFOs and they're coming down here to dwell upon his planet?
It's a really interesting question because of the circumstantial, not direct, but the circumstantial links in the appearance of the chupacabras beginning.
Basically, the first hard stories began in a place called Orocovis in the center of Puerto Rico in March of 1995.
And that's when eight goats were found with these strange bloodless puncture holes in them.
And over the next few months leading up to sort of the June to September of 95 period, there were several reports by people seeing discs, mostly round-shaped discs.
And one of the most interesting, I've talked with this man.
He does speak broken English.
He is a father, has a, she was six years old last year, seven years old now, and his wife, and they live in a part of Puerto Rico called Vega Baja.
And they have a chicken coop and farm areas like so many of the people who live out in the rural areas.
And it was 11 o'clock or 11.30 in the evening in June.
It was hot.
And his wife and his daughter were outside of their house.
The father, who I interviewed, was on the inside of the house and he heard them scream.
He ran out the door and saw this enormous round glowing object near their house in the sky hovering in the air.
It had lights going around the perimeter.
And his wife told him that a red beam of light came out of this object and touched the upper right arm of the child and that that's what the screams were about.
And the father said that it got red and bubbled up.
Well, a friend of mine, a photographer for one of the newspapers in Puerto Rico, Eddie Deez Conde, he went out there to interview them and could see that there were bumps in a pattern on the little girl's arm.
He took photographs of the father who did draw what they saw in the sky.
In that case, I think that with three witnesses, two adults, that something of a large, round, glowing nature was connected with some kind of a beam that interacted with that little girl's arm.
There have been other cases in Mexico where children and adults have described silver disks landing in pastures and areas where either the same day or in and around the same time there have been these alleged attacks that leave these puncture holes.
And I started to say earlier that I had talked with a federal marshal who told me that as recently as three years ago in August of 93, he on his own farm near the Kansas-Colorado border that he couldn't believe that a silver dome 50 feet wide,
and he gauged that against his own fence post, 50 feet wide and no higher than about 12 feet, so definitely a disc-shaped object, was sitting in his pasture and the next morning found a steer calf with the classic excisions of a mutilation.
These are happening around us now in the chupacabra, regardless of what it is or where it comes from, it fits into a pattern of highly unusual animal deaths that appear to be circumstantially associated with sightings of some kind of discs in the air.
You know, I sort of, and I know you do, separate the kinds of evidence that we get, whether it's with regard to the parts submitted to me or the chupacabra.
In the case of the parts given to me, we've got something we can really lay our hands on and really subject to honest to God scientific investigation.
Ditto, when you get to the chupacabra, you've got animals that you can autopsy.
And people need to understand this is not just eyewitness testimony.
And in the cattle mutilations, it's probably one of the largest single body of physical evidence over the last 47, 37, 40 years of a very unusual interaction with large animals down to small animals on this planet that have been documented over and over and over again.
But I guess it's because of paradigms.
Human nature wants to deny that which it's not comfortable with.
You've got videotapes and books available, but also if people want to get hold of you regarding chupacabra, regarding the pieces that are undergoing the continuing increasingly interesting testing process.
All right, Linda, I presume this story will continue to unfold both of the intriguing parts I now have and of the arts parts and of the chupacabra, which is a fascinating story.
And I want to thank you for staying up late.
It is just that this whole thing has kind of come to the point where we had to get some of this information out, and I feel safer with it in the public domain.
The passing of Timothy Leary, and I'm sorry, we were in the process of arranging an interview.
We'd done a lot of work in that direction.
And sometimes you just don't have enough time.
That's something you all might bear in mind in life.
It came home to me very clearly in the last few days.
And while we're on that subject, I had been prepared to host a, I might as well tell you, a bit of a debate between Dr. Carl Sagan and Stanton Friedman.
And that, too, was in the works.
Carl Sagan is ill, and we wish him the best, and our prayers are with Dr. Sagan.
And assuming he and hoping he will recover, we will probably get around to that pretty soon.
I was currently previously in the Navy, and we were stationed down there for reasons I don't need to get into.
And there was a time when there was a lot of rain, and there was a flood in Ponce, and we were walking down the road, and all of a sudden the chupacabra jumped out of the ground, and it jumped into the front of us.
And we proceeded to circle the chupacabra, and it spun around in circles and started hissing at us and this and that and everything else.
We didn't quite know what it was, and there were some Puerto Rican nationals around there that saw us encounter this thing and ran over and told us to get away from it because it's a bloodsucker.
Linda Moulton Howe, who was on here, has been to Puerto Rico many times, was investigating the chupacabra business scientifically long before it broke into the popular press.
So we've had many, many reports, and you can say whatever you wish about this, joke as some newscasters do about it, or look at the objective evidence gathered very carefully so far, and you really will come to the conclusion there is something out there.
Whether or not it is what is depicted in the picture sent to us of the chupacabra or the drawings that the eyewitnesses have put together, it's clear there is something going on.
Now, I would like to remind you, all of you, that that picture of the chupacabra, such as it is, and perhaps more importantly, photographs of the artifacts that I've got are available on my webpage, which is www.artbell.com.
So if you wish to see photographs of the parts that are undergoing testing right now and have come out to be so anomalous, those photographs are up there.
There is some recent news that the ozone layer would appear to be stabilizing.
But that's not a surprise because all along we have known that ozone is cyclical and that it is probably cyclical with the with the sun's 11-year cycle.
So I'm not sure that answers all of the questions, but it is good news.
And they indicated that though there are still CFCs rising and will be for a number of years, we may have passed the peak regarding the destruction caused by man-made chemicals.
That is not to say that what the major said yesterday may not be so.
It in fact may be so.
Many, many people are saying roughly the same thing.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hi, Arbill.
This is Mark in Little Rock.
Hello.
How are you doing, this morning?
Fine.
I've been listening to the Roswell discussions for the past couple of weeks now.
A bunch of our friends up here at the job that I work in, we work at night.
And we were all wondering, could it be that the pieces could be put to some form of high-intense acid and analyzed through that viewpoint or something like that?
One thing, first of all, I'd like to just give my respects to Tim Dee Leary.
I think he'll be noted in history for having been rather courageous at some point, if we have that history.
And then quickly about UFOs, I was once told that one of their reasons for perhaps being here is to take elements out of the ocean water that there's a large cache of there to be had, and that may explain something to do with your pieces of art that could be made in a different way, but actually contain elements present on this planet.
And that layering, I believe, might be folding like it's done in satellite sword making.
And one other quick thing is that I don't know of anything that flies well when left and right wings are in conflict with one another and don't last long in the air.
Well, it may very well be, and it may very well be substantially correct.
But, you know, if you just think about it a little bit, allegedly, ozone takes, or excuse me, allegedly, the CFC's hydrochlorofluorocarbons take 20 years to reach the upper stratosphere and also the ozone, allegedly.
Well, supposedly, we have not been reducing our use of them for that long a period, you know, for that long a period of time.
Hypothetically, the stuff that we supposedly purged into the atmosphere 20 years ago or 15 years ago isn't even up there yet, if you see where I'm coming from.
But they have projected that soon or that we have either now or will soon have reached a peak, and that they understand how much continuing CFC rise there will be.
And they're seeing some regeneration of ozone at the moment at those levels.
I know you must have gone over this earlier, but for benefit of people out here who are listening on KHBH, sometimes we get the first part of your show cut off.
Could you bring up the details a little bit on how the density of the chips was verified to be consistent throughout so that there wasn't like a poor dance piece of metal burning?
Or if you're hearing this in a repeat, if it's Monday morning, right now it's Saturday morning.
Listen, if you get a repeat of this, folks, or you get the first or second hours repeated, which many of you will.
Hawaii will get the whole ball of wax and many other areas as well.
You're going to hear a careful scientific explanation of what's being found out about these now very anomalous pieces that have been sent to me, ostensibly from the Roswell crash of a UFO.
I suggest you listen very carefully if you are interested in real scientific evidence.
It's coming up.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Yeah, I was wondering, what do you think about them?
Well, with the way, I mean, the way all of us can come together and talk on this kind of a program and the way they can, on TV, they can have a program in New York and show a picture of a man talking at the same time in Washington.
With all this technology, it just seems like the whole thing could be solved real peaceably and open and talk.
Surely there will be trials and there will be opportunities for them to say what they want to the press, but not if they're dead.
Then dead men and women and children don't get an opportunity to say anything.
And if this goes on and keeps going on, eventually there is going to be a dynamic resolution to it.
So I'll say again to them what I've been saying.
Enough already.
It's time to come out.
And if you have decided that instead you're going to die for this cause you believe in this whatever it is, Christian identity movement, dandest thing I ever heard of, white supremacy and Christian values.
Whatever it is, if you have Christian values, then send the women and children out first.
Friday morning's program, there was a gentleman called in, gave another name for chupacabra, and said it was in the Bible about a body of two very bloody opposing societies.
Okay, now on there, the vet that did the autopsy on the animals mentioned some things that I was kind of surprised to hear that Linda didn't mention, or maybe she's mentioned it before and I haven't caught it, was one that was there was no rigamortis in the animals that had been bitten.
She is a regular reporter for us and has been now for years on Dreamland, very faithfully so, and we generally get a report from her at the beginning of Dreamland.
By the way, while I'm at it, if I can do it, let me tell you what's coming up on Dreamland this Sunday.
Coming up this Sunday would be Dr. Pepsi Togar, author of Why God Wants Us to Dream.
So we're going to talk a little bit about dream and interpretation of dreams.
And I've had some real wing-dingers of dreams, and I'm sure you have too.
It's a very, very interesting subject coming up this Sunday on Dreamland.
And so I was listening to your show, and I was having a lot of coffee, pretty busy, talking with a neighbor, but something came to my mind, an impression of my late older brother who had died at 1974 in my room.
And then I got an impression of he was trying to tell me of a younger entity or something.
And all this was coming to my head, and I just thought, well, I just thought it was thought because I've listened to your show.
And what I picked up was a smaller entity whose first name began with the letter K and ended in E.
So I thought, okay, fine.
But then immediately when your show entered, the phone rang, and I thought, oh, I know this something.
I picked it up, and it turned out to be someone calling, telling me they had a child of one of my siblings that I had not had any contact with any of my siblings.
And right before that phone call, I was thinking of little nieces and nephews, etc.
And sure enough, they told me the name, and it began with a K and ended with an E, and I met the little nephew for the first time today, and that's pretty cool.
Listen, if you'd like to join me online, we are on America Online right now.
So if you're able to log in, just log in and go to Keyword.
It's very easy and enter keyword art bell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L.
And it will take you, it'll show you a photograph of me, and it will take you to an area where you have an opportunity to go into what's known as the Grassy Knoll chat room.
And I'm in there at this very moment.
Not able to say much, obviously, when I'm on the air, but would love to have you join in.
There is a wild conversation going on in there right now about all kinds of things.
Once again, that's A-O-L.
Simply go to keyword, Art Bell, and in you go to the Grassy Knoll chat room.
I love that name.
We'll be right back.
All right, this really has been quite a week for me in more ways than one.
It's been a very week in which many things have coalesced, many things have happened.
Personally and professionally, it's been very interesting, to say the least, and scary at times.
Last night, I felt like, whoa, man, after listening to the major, you know, oh, boy, well, I could forget, I could stop thinking about earthquakes for a while, but then I woke up this morning and I just about got the definitive answer that Benjamin Yehentata, I still can't pronounce his name, could you give it to me?