Art Bell dissects Roswell’s aluminum fragments—160mg each, defying physics—while critiquing the Supreme Court’s 6-3 gay rights ruling and Russia’s collapse: male life expectancy drops to 58 (projected 53 by 2005), 800,000 excess deaths yearly, and Chernobyl’s radiation toll. He debates The Turner Diaries, a violent white supremacist manifesto linked to Timothy McVeigh’s bombing, with callers defending racial superiority via IQ scores or dismissing it as divisive, amid warnings of rising hatred fueled by economic despair. The episode ends with Bell’s concern over escalating intolerance and a shift to UFO speculation, underscoring how conspiracy theories and societal fractures intertwine in modern discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
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All right, I've got a lot of things I want to cover this evening with you, and the first of which is to update the Roswell Arts Parts story.
The testing on the parts continues, and it took a very, very strange twist this week.
You may recall that Linda Bolton Howe got those parts tested by a scientist at a major university, and they tested to be 99 point something or another percent aluminum.
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You may recall, Linda said, aluminum, aluminum, aluminum.
Which is hard to say, actually, three or four times.
Well, it turns out that, and remember now that though it was on the outside, they were tested with spectrophyle, with an electronic scanning microscope, and all the rest of it.
The pieces in question that were tested six millimeters times six millimeters times one millimeter thick, if 100% aluminum, should have weighed 97 milligrams a piece.
They made a sudden surprising discovery that guess what?
They weigh 160 milligrams each.
That's the original weight.
They went back and they checked a second time, and they said, how can this be?
Now, it may be that there is some very, very bad alloy, and it's all buried inside.
But the spectography showed there was nothing but aluminum on the outside.
They cut one open with my permission and found what seems to be solid aluminum inside.
They're going to do some more spectrophylogenes and so forth and so on on the pieces now, but they have a great mystery.
In other words, these things weigh twice what they should weigh if they are, as reported and tested, 100% aluminum.
So right now we have a great mystery, and we have no idea what these things are.
Tune in next week as the second part of the test is revealed.
But right now, we've got a big mystery on our hands, and nobody can answer why.
The U.S. Supreme Court has overturned the state of Colorado's constitutional amendment that was to forbid the passage of any law which protects homosexual rights.
Today, the U.S. Supreme Court said the whole thing, in fact, is unconstitutional.
The vote, 6-3, the majority opinion, said such a provision singled gays out, so much so that it cannot be explained by anything but antimosity for gays.
The minority view said the amendment sought simply to preserve traditional moral values.
And so one might ask whether this marks, well, what does this mark?
Does it signal freedom, even though you're not gay, that you would believe this signals individual freedom for gays to eventually marry,
for gays to go into the military without having to participate in don't ask, don't tell, or does it mark the day the walls in America began to fall?
Which do you think?
I watched 60 Minutes Sunday, and there was the single most shocking story that I can ever recall hearing about a nation committing suicide.
You're not going to believe, if you didn't see the show, you're probably not going to believe some of the stats.
I'm going to Moscow this summer in August, and it's got to give one pause before one goes.
I'm going anyway because I really want to see it.
There are going to be elections next month in Russia.
Right now, the communist candidate is leading.
Life expectancy for Russian males over the last seven years, seven years, folks, has gone from 65 years of age down to 58 years of age, soon to 53 years of age by the year 2005.
This kind of drop is unparalleled in modern history.
800,000 more Russians die than are born every year.
Maternity wards are half empty.
They've got two abortions in Russia for every birth.
Only one in four children in Russia are born healthy.
The country is literally socially disintegrating in front of their very eyes.
It gets worse.
In industrially polluted areas, there are many of them, 40%, I said 40% of all the births are with defects, mostly mental.
The president renewing MFN status for China does so with the blessing of Bob Dole, who also wants it.
Speaking of Bob Dole, again, a lot of talk about why he quit over the weekend.
Why do you think he did?
To spend more time campaigning?
To distance himself from Newt Gingrich?
Because it's time to go up or out.
I'll tell you, Bob Dole is probably going to have to separate himself in some way from Newt Gingrich and the Republican revolution now bogged down or he's going to have a problem.
And he does not seem inclined to do it.
The Democrats are going to have a heyday with it.
They're going to call it the Dole-Gingrich campaign.
The Admiral who committed suicide, Admiral Borda, was covered over the weekend, and we learned the genesis of the story.
It was a group called the National Security News Service, actually two guys.
They were guests on Meet the Press.
The way the whole thing began was they requested a freedom of information document on the Admiral.
They concluded he was not entitled to wear the V medal award, which means combat in Vietnam.
They broke the news that the Admiral was wearing the medals, wearing medals he had not earned.
Somehow Newsweek got hold of it.
They were to have a 2.30 p.m. appointment with the Admiral.
That is the day he committed suicide.
Now, various people in the Navy have said the Admiral was indeed authorized, had spent time on destroyers in the war zone in combat missions and was entitled to wear them.
Others have said no.
But my question is, was it proper for the National Security News Service, and then I guess Newsweek to follow up, to make this into a story?
Or is it one of those things that they just should have dropped?
Listen, I've got something really weird, really strange, that I want you all to investigate for me and give me an opinion on.
I stumbled into a very strange webpage called EON-4.
Eon, I guess you'd pronounce it, dash four.
And this is an extensive webpage that claims we have made contact with extraterrestrials.
And I'm going to read you a little bit of it.
I know it's going to sound strange.
But what I had Keith do was put a link up at the top of my webpage to Eon 4 so that you can see it, so that you can make your own judgments about what is there.
I'm going to read you a little bit of one of their statements of Eon 4.
We have made contact.
On August 13th, 1992, the Meta, that's Multi-Channel Extraterrestrial Array Radio Telescope at Harvard University perceived a strong narrow band signal at 2840 megahertz.
Unlike previous so-called events, this signal had an originating point less than 2, make that 0.25 parsecs outside our own solar system.
Observable distortion at this originating point led to the supposition this was the mouth of a radio-based Nexus navigator, spoken ribbon, reference, and then they go on and on and on.
On October 20th, 1992, a full-fledged mathematics-based message was received from a highly advanced civilization situated at a far distant location in the universe.
The first interaction between humankind and an extraterrestrial life form had begun.
Since that day and continuing through the present, a steadily growing share of the world scientific community has been privy to the regular open exchange of scientific and sociological data that's been taking place between ourselves and the EBE culture.
Not unexpected, much of the science and technology this culture discusses with us exceeds our own current level of comprehension.
Language has never been a barrier, though we've been able to understand only the most basic rudiments of their complex forms of communication.
This life form has had no problem receiving information from us in any human language from English to Sinanese and responding in kind, blah, blah, blah, in other words, in the same language.
Fourteen months after initial contact was made, the society provided us with instructions to develop and construct a device that has allowed the transfer of physical matter through the RBNN, whatever that is.
They acknowledged arrival of physical matter on June 7th, 1994, and it goes on and on and on.
This is an extensive webpage with ostensibly all kinds of scientific participants, and it claims, basically, that we have established communication with another life form.
Now, this may be total bunk, but if it is, it is very carefully constructed, total bunk, and looks real.
That's all I'll say.
That all of this, they say, Eon 4 is a project ongoing at area 51.
That's right, right near me.
So, what I would ask you to do is to go to my webpage, and courtesy of Keith, you will see at the very top a link to Eon 4.
There is a classified area of it and a supposed public area.
Go in there, if you would, please, and find out what the hell this is all about.
If anybody can rip it apart, I mean, to me, it looks real.
But, you know, there have been very elaborate hoaxes, certainly done before, and will be again.
It may be a certainly a hoax, but it impressed me sufficiently to have you go and investigate.
In addition, I sent the people at Eon 4 actually several pieces of email requesting an interview, and I would ask you to do the same for me.
Let us get these people on the air and tell us what this is all about.
So, again, it's right at the top of my website.
Go in there, jump with the link, and go take a look at the complete text and the project.
I mean, you've got project personnel listed and all kinds of things.
It's incredible.
You can only wonder what's on the classified side.
So, take a look.
My website is www.artbell.com.
Here's a kind of an interesting story from Toronto.
A research team plans to exhume seven bodies from Get This Permafrost in hopes of finding what caused a global epidemic that killed 20 million people in 1918 and 19.
The 1918 epidemic was called Spanish Fly at the time, but scientists didn't have any way to identify exactly what it was.
Marked by sudden fever, chills, headache, malaise, muscle pain, pneumonia, and rapid death, it killed more people than all the fighting in World War I.
The Canadian team believes the deadly virus might still be lurking in the lungs of the frozen bodies preserved in nature's deep freeze on a Norwegian Arctic island.
They say special care is needed so the microbes don't revive once freed from their icy storage.
Now, I wonder how many of you think this is a good idea.
Here you've got one of the biggest plagues in history, and the scientists think they're going to dig some people up and get good, healthy samples of this horrible virus.
Sounds like a plot from a science fiction book or something, doesn't it?
All right, well, I'm not done.
I've got more.
I've got quite a bit on the Freemen this morning, so we'll get to that.
Then we'll get the lines open for it is unscreened, unpredictable, spontaneous talk radio coming up next.
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They say the next time it comes around, it may get pulled in by Earth's gravity and could hit.
We're getting an awful lot of asteroids, an awful lot of comets, an awful lot of things out there recently that seem to be getting closer and more frequent.
Anyone notice that one?
The Freeman.
I want to cover some on that.
The 57th day now of the standoff, in fact, longer now than Waco.
They had more talks today, very heated at times, in other words, yelling at each other.
And they got nowhere.
A state senator Duke walked out of one of the meetings.
Apparently, he's getting frustrated as well.
Present 100 FBI agents, 22 people they believe inside, three children.
Bo Gright spoke at the Ontario Airport Marriott Hotel in Ontario, California on Friday and talked some about the Freeman.
Said it was he tried very hard to convince them to surrender to avoid bloodshed.
Said he thought Randy Weaver would have been good to have with him to show the Freeman what heartbreak and suffering they and their loved ones could experience if the standoff comes to a violent end.
Mr. Grid says that a so-called gang of four made everyone take holy oaths to remain in the compound and that the oath would be violated if anybody tried to leave.
So some of these people are being at this point apparently held, he feels, against their will.
Quite remarkable.
That is a true story.
Did anybody see the other segment on 60 Minutes, the Turner Diaries?
All about Dr. William Pierce, the physicist turned radical.
200,000 copies have gone out so far.
Now, the Turner Diaries would be a book that allegedly Timothy McVay regarded as his Bible.
In it, the doctor, the good doctor, says we ought to get rid of all the blacks and the Jews in America in order to get back the America we have lost.
It has become the Bible of the far extreme right.
In one chapter of the Turner Diaries, a fictional character, militia person, drives a vehicle full of a fertilizer bomb into the FBI building, the basement of the FBI building in Washington, D.C., and blows it into little pieces.
Kind of sounds familiar, doesn't it?
The good doctor thinks, quote, if we don't like what we see, we should do something about it, end quote.
He said, America, our America, is disintegrating in front of our eyes because of race mixing.
Race mixing.
He most admires Adolf Hitler, called blacks rapists, thugs, and cannibals, and theorized when everything, when the balloon goes up, blacks will be eating people, cannibalizing people.
This was William Pierce, author of the Turner Diaries.
What a strange, weird character he is.
How many of you think America is disintegrating because of the mixture of races?
Well, I've got a lot more, but not time for it, so I'll just leave it right there.
That's plenty of food for thought, I suppose.
So whatever you want to talk about is fair game.
The lines are open.
The numbers are as follows.
First time callers to the program, area code 702-727-1222.
I wanted to find out if there was any relevance in ARCO Advanced Power Technologies with their involvement, or they had been involved early on in the HAARP project,
that the purpose of their being involved more than anything else was to sell oil to the HAARP project because it would involve only having to sell oil directly right there in Alaska rather than having to transport it any further away than absolutely necessary to reduce their cost to make maximum profit.
The last word I heard on HAARP was that it had been at least temporarily shut down.
I'm not sure that's accurate, but that's what I heard.
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Yeah, the last that I had heard is that funding had been froze, but they had still gone ahead with testing in that.
So where the money or funds came from or whether they had funds left over in reserve from what had been approved and given to them in prior time is the only thing I could figure, or whether private interest behind it is actually funding it to accelerate their program.
Kind of makes me a little bit upset for the fact that they're letting sex offenders, child sex offenders, out and putting people away for smoking marijuana.
That kind of upsets me.
I don't know how you feel about it personally.
Second is that I think somebody in Pennsylvania took you up on your idea about poisoning the drugs.
One would be that the, you know, Mexican government is trying to do some kind of advertisement to take away some other ideas from the people down there.
Well, that is a theory that is ascribed to every big story that comes along, not just in Mexico, but here too.
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Okay, I know my people, we're pretty.
We believe too much sometimes in these kind of things and talk too much about it, but, you know.
And my other theory is this could be something that, you know, some kind of animal that's living, you know, close to the, I mean, in the center of the earth, or closer to there.
If it's a hoax, it's one of the more elaborate, well-done professional hoaxes I've ever seen.
Go to my webpage on the net.
That's www.artbell.com.
There you will find a link at the top of the page to something called Eon4.
E-O-N-4.
You take a look and you tell me what you think.
I took a look and it blew my mind.
Here's a facts on it.
Art Eon4 is wild.
I logged on when I saw your page this evening.
The classified section is reached by an easy registration.
Optional email updates available.
The claim is we've sent an explorer team at the invitation of the alien sentients.
This team has reached the vicinity of their world, but with the loss of the team leader.
It's hard to know what to think of the site and its story.
The line is something like a video game, but there's nothing to do but read and think.
That's comment number one, and I'm sure we'll get more.
Take a look.
You let me know.
I found it.
Hi, Art.
I checked out the Eon4 site.
I don't know, but it seems like someone's sci-fi story presented in web format.
And the Apple sponsorship adds to the suspicion.
Still, even if it's not real, it's pretty cool.
Thanks for putting it on your page.
Mark, KSFO, San Francisco.
Again, I reflect back on two 60-minute stories over the weekend that I thought were incredible.
Finally, they're doing some good stuff again.
The story on Russia was staggering.
I'm going to Moscow in August, and after seeing it, I go with more trepidation than I had in the first place.
That place is self-is just disintegrating, actually.
Now, the cruise that I'm going on is going to stop at St. Petersburg, and I'm going to go ahead and take it, which is beautiful.
I'm going to go ahead and risk my neck and take the optional trip to Moscow because I want to see it for myself.
But boy, what they had on that show over the weekend.
Wonder if you saw it.
Also, the Turner Diaries and the Turner Diaries appear to be the Bible for right-wing extremists like Timothy McVeigh.
There was a chapter in there about somebody who blew up a federal building, FBI building, with a fertilizer bomb by driving into the basement.
This was in Washington, D.C.
And it parrots the, Or, I should say, I guess McVeigh's crime parrots this book almost chapter and verse, even down to the makeup of the fertilizer bomb.
So, they interviewed Dr. Pierce about his book.
And basically, he would like to get rid of the blacks, Jews, and Hispanics in America and get back, in his opinion, what America has lost.
I don't know what he means by that.
I guess white them or something.
At any rate, he says America is disintegrating because of racial mixing.
How many of you agree with that?
Said that blacks will become rapists, thugs, and cannibals.
Unbelievable guy, and this is what a lot of people are following.
Did anybody have and this guy, by the way, is a physicist?
Now, the size is 6 millimeters by 6 millimeters by 1 millimeter thick.
If it's 1,100 aluminum, it should weigh exactly 97 milligrams.
But guess what?
It weighs 160.
Now, that's damn near double.
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Right.
I have a couple of theories.
One of them is that if this aluminum is definitely from another world, it is quite possible that in this other world they have a different gravitational density, different atmospheric density, so that when they work with aluminum, when it's over there, everything works like it's supposed to.
But when it comes over here, it weighs more because our gravity on Earth is more.
Well, look, that may be one thing you can, you know, one possibility.
Anything is possible, sir, or there might be something else inside, but it would have to be a horrible alloy indeed.
They cut one of them open, and they said it appeared to be aluminum throughout.
If that's true, and if the center, which I have authorized to be tested, one destructive test, tests out to be 100% aluminum as well, then they've got themselves a most serious mystery.
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Right, that's why I come up with this theory.
Perhaps maybe that could explain it.
If maybe a physicist is listening out there, they could better explain that.
Another theory, possibly, is that I also know that if you either take away or attach protons or neutrons or electrons to an element, their atomic structure stays pretty much the same, but there's a different volume and weight and mass.
Linda Howe called me up this last weekend all excited.
She said it just can't be.
She said the scientists went back and measured the pieces again to be very sure of what he was saying with regard to their size because of the relationship to the weight.
And he came back puzzled.
So now more tests must be done.
And it may be that, although it's unlikely that it would be just a bad alloy, But there was not even one little molecular piece of an alloy detected in all the testing done on the outside.
Regarding your last caller, the specific gravity of the aluminum should not vary according to the outside temperature, air pressure, and gravitational flow.
Anyway, like you've been fretting about with all your militia knot cases out there, what they're thinking you are afraid of is they'd all come to his aid.
Well, 50 boats surrounded this lone Freeman boater out there in the bay, and they turned back the Coast Guard.
Well, they wanted to come on board, and when he threatened them with use of weapons, then they said, well, you're going to, you know, give us your weapons and we're going to come on board.
Yes, he was in our marine sanctuary, and there was some dispute as to whether or not it was a Coast Guard jurisdiction.
But the main factor is that 50 other fishermen's boats came around and surrounded him to such an extent that they outgunned and outmanned the Coast Guard, and the Coast Guard had to turn pale and flee.
And at least the part about his turning them away is certainly true.
Said, I'm sticking to my constitutional rights.
Now, I don't really know what his constitutional rights are at sea inside the limits.
It seems to me if he would be subject to Coast Guard authority that he would have to allow a boarding.
I'm not really sure.
I don't know enough about the laws of the sea to be able to tell you, but I do know he held them off.
The story on 60 Minutes Sunday about Russia was one of the more unbelievable things I ever saw.
I sat there with my mouth hanging open.
God, it was incredible.
Absolutely incredible.
How can this country not be in full-fledged revolution?
And remember, this country described on Sunday still has, what, 50,000 strategic or at least nuclear weapons, with many of those being strategic, meaning they can push a button and 20 or 30 minutes later, nuclear hell rains down here.
So you've got to bear that in mind as you look at the condition of Russia.
Elections next month.
The likely outcome, a return to communism.
You don't hear many people saying much about it, but Boris Yaltsin is way far behind.
He may be able to cut a deal.
But barring that possibility, Russia may well go back to communism beginning next month.
We have enough problems, and if they happen to slip up, we're going to have even more.
sounds like.
I know there's a disease out here called valley fever, and it's not that lethal, but whenever they dig up an old body in a graveyard here, sometimes it...
I mean, they're actually doing this so they can get to the lungs of these people, thought to have died of this disease, and revive this virus, revive the virus, and suppose it got loose.
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That's it.
You know, it's going to be like the Andromeda Strain type of thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And also, you had Brad Stagger on Saturday.
I tried to reach you, but I couldn't get it.
Sunday.
Oh, Sunday.
Okay.
He had something in his book, one of his books one time about the Forest of Lost Children.
And that was about the Angeles Forest area here, about children that mysterious disappearances there.
He said, I believe, something about time warps, meaning they use the mountains here.
So if anybody could give me more information on it, or didn't he have an address that people could write to?
The Brad Steiger show on Dreamland Sunday was excellent.
If you want a copy of it, or for that matter, the Mitchell-Hoagland debate, or anything we do with a guest or any Dreamland program, you can get copies by calling 1-800-917-4278.
That's 1-800-917-4278.
With regard to this plan to dig up these people frozen in the tundra with the 1918 epidemic that was called, I think they called it Spanish Fly, not flu at the time.
At any rate, they say it will, quote, be done with the greatest respect and dignity, adding that extreme safety precautions will be taken so the microbe will not be unleashed again.
I'm still not convinced it is what I would call a good plan.
But I mean, I guess the gist of this book was discussing how the economy and so forth could not rebound because of these restraints that have been put on it.
And some of the figures I gave as of 1990, and these are Russian estimates, were between 15 and 17% of the gross national product of that country.
And 60 billion rubles a year just for environmental abuse.
And it goes on and on and on.
The goes on about Chernobyl.
And I don't know if you knew this or not, but you remember the pictures on TV.
You saw the people in the suits going in and out.
And the foreign minister that was in charge of, or the scientific supervisor for that site, stated that every one of them are dead now that you saw on TV, between 5,000 and 7,000.
And anyone that was exposed more than a half an hour to that radiation at the site is now dead.
Well, I heard that, but I also heard that those who were exposed in a wider way, while there has been an increase in some kinds of cancer, mainly in children, that they have not had the kind of cancer rates they thought or expected or should have had as a result of that kind of contamination.
But nationwide, I mean, forget Chernobyl.
The real contamination is occurring because of pollution.
So serious, so serious that 40% of the children are born with birth defects.
Can you imagine that?
In areas of industrial pollution, 40%, mostly mental defects.
Their population is dying.
Their country is dying.
One woman said, it is democracy.
It's killing us.
So what do you think they'll do next month when they have the elections?
Well, they showed a number of the hospitals in Moscow.
They gave us stats about how many Russians are dying versus those being born.
There are now two abortions in Russia for every live birth.
Well, how long has it been since you've been home?
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I've been living in the United States for a year and a half, but my relatives, they all live in Russia, and I talk to them every week.
And they actually are very optimistic.
My father is a lawyer, and he says the situation is getting better every day.
The business life is reviving, and many people are actually better off now than they were during the communism, especially those people who can work, who are willing to work.
welfare system that existed during the communism era union well yes we know that Believe me, we know what communism did, but it looks now like the election next month will bring a communist back.
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Well, but you said that Yeltsin is trailing Duganov pretty badly, but as far as I know, he's ahead in most polls, one or two points ahead in almost every poll.
Art, did you hear that in the European Union is requiring for buying and selling a mark that you have to have mark of the beast, right?
That's what I think it is.
Do you?
Well, you know, if you take a look at the symbol of the European Union, which is a woman sitting on the beast, I mean, I don't need to have a house follow me to realize this is a prophecy unfolding right in front of our eyes.
But first of all, I think this question we're focusing on now of whether or not they should have pursued the story and aired it kind of presupposes that he did indeed commit suicide.
Now, you said you were fairly satisfied that he did.
Yes, I am.
I don't, of course, claim to know for sure one way or the other, but I, on the other hand, am not.
Right, of which a part has been made public, and the other one hasn't been read from at all or hasn't been made public.
One thing I would like to know is whether those notes were written in his own handwriting or whether, on the other hand, they were typed or perhaps written out in all caps, something like that.
And if they were typed, were they signed?
I mean, I would certainly be satisfied if it was clear that they were written in his own handwriting.
Well, what would make me suspicious is if we found in one of them a paragraph that said, and by the way, I cannot believe the innocence of the Clintons.
Look, thank you.
I have no reason to believe it's anything but a suicide.
Now, what I am slightly suspicious about is that there may be more to it, folks, than we have been led to believe.
In other words, there may be reasons beyond the medals that he wore.
I am going to screen some calls between now and the end of the news at the top of the hour.
Again, referring to the 60 Minutes piece on the Turner Diaries by Dr. William Pierce, a Ph.D., a physicist, a man who has written virtually the Bible for the extreme right wing politically in America is regarded that way.
A man who believes that we should get rid of all the blacks, Hispanics, and Jews and get back the America we lost.
A man who believes that America is disintegrating because of racial mixing.
What I would like is somebody who agrees with Mr. Pierce.
And so if you agree with Mr. Pierce and these two statements that I just gave you that are attributed to him, call me at Area Code 702-727-1222.
If you sincerely agree, if you are a student of the Turner Diaries, then I want to hear from you.
Everybody else, hold off on that line.
I'm going to be screening calls during the news to get somebody willing to argue in a debate, somebody who agrees with the Turner Diaries.
If that's you, call me now at 702-727-1222, and we will have a debate.
Be right back.
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The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
More Somewhere in Time coming up.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 20th, 1996.
I'm Art Bell, and we're still looking for somebody.
I've had many wannabes, but nobody who actually wants to argue the point.
60 Minutes did a big piece on the Turner Diaries.
Dr. William Pierce, they interviewed Dr. Pierce.
The Turner Diaries are coming out once again.
The Turner Diaries are a collection of, well, it's kind of a, actually it's a fiction that unfortunately today appears to have become reality with the explosion in Oklahoma City.
At any rate, Dr. Pierce Sunday said that or agreed that his philosophy basically says that we have got to get rid of the blacks, Hispanics, and Jews and get back the America we have lost.
Quoting 60 Minutes.
He believes that America is disintegrating because of racial mixing.
Do you agree with that?
If you agree with that, call me at Area Code 702-727-1222.
If you don't agree with that, don't call me on that number because you'll just be wasting your money.
I'm looking for somebody who basically agrees with those incredible tenets.
If I find that person, we will do a debate.
And for this purpose, I am screening calls, so it'd be an absolute waste of your money to call that number otherwise.
But if you agree with those statements, call now, 702-727-1222.
If you disagree, any other number will do.
So in a moment, I think we'll have ourselves a little debate on that exact topic.
What he said was we should get rid of the blacks, Jews, and Hispanics to get back the America we lost, and that America is disintegrating because of race mixing.
If you agree with that, then call me at 702-727-1222.
And again, on that line, you're on the air.
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Yes, I have not read the Turner Diaries either, but I do believe that there is a problem.
I think your ancestors enslaved the black race and blah, blah, blah, blah.
You need to get over it, okay?
You need to check yourself.
You're not better.
If the roles were reversed and the black race was here first and brought Caucasians here and enslaved them, then I would probably have the kind of ugly attitude that you have now, you see?
Genetic behavior comprises many factors, but the Asians tend to be genetically predisposed to herd instinct, which means they tend to be communist, which means they're not individualist.
One of the things that made this country great is individualism.
In fact, the primacy of the individual is what distinguishes our government from many other governments.
That is, although most governments say what is best for the group is what we shall have, in this country we say, well, it's good to do what's best for the group, but we're not going to cut out the individual.
That's what makes the white race genetically better than Asians who may score on the average higher on the SAT scores.
But I submit that they don't score on the average higher.
we see is that the higher scores are from Asians because they flood the market and there's a bias because the brighter Asians come to this country so it's a skewed distribution.
When you have freedom, people have to be free to do what they want.
Here's a way to handle that, though.
The way to handle that is to correct a couple of the problems that our forefathers gave us.
And actually, they didn't give us this problem.
You know, they're brighter than me.
You correct that by turning this into a meritocracy rather than a democracy.
And that is, you allow people to vote by how intelligent they are.
And that makes sense.
Take somebody like, I don't know, somebody whose intelligence you admire, who's widely admired for their intelligence, maybe they should get more votes than a person who is developmentally disabled or something.
I came to the Los Angeles area and saw how basically governments are disproportionately staffed.
If you go into the United States District Court, for example, in Los Angeles, for the Central District, it's almost all black women.
If you go into other courts in Los Angeles, you'll find they're disproportionately staffed by black women, sometimes other minority groups who seem to be in clusters.
This is part of the group think.
This is part of the herd instinct, and it's not healthy.
You also find out that when you have bad policies in government, they're widely followed by these people who don't stand up and think for themselves.
And I can give you one good example, car insurance.
A lot of Less intelligent people tend to be more inclined to buy the insurance if they can afford it, if they can barely afford it, and they are insurance poor for that reason.
Well, actually, poor people do not need car insurance because if poor people get in a car wreck, all they have to do is do a bankruptcy, and they don't have to pay the judgment anyway.
This simple truth is not understood.
They think that they're smart to buy insurance is only smartly purchased by people who have assets they can lose by bankruptcy.
unidentified
Yeah, but this poor person's theory that you're applying applies to all the races.
There are whites that are poor that live in a culturally dense area of Los Angeles.
They can buy this insurance or whatever you're talking about and file Chapter 7 or bankruptcy.
And I'll tell you what it is because you obviously missed it.
The point is that those policies that you have to buy insurance tend to become matters of law in areas where people don't even know the merit of a free market system.
This is the group instinct that I'm talking about.
Let's see if we can find somebody else who can defend the premises forwarded in the Turner Diaries.
Seeing that on 60 Minutes, and this William Pierce, this PhD, a physicist, a man who should be, and I presume is, very intelligent, say these things blew my mind.
Absolutely blew my mind.
His premise is that we should get rid of the blacks, the Hispanics, Jews, get America back to where it used to be.
Get back what we have lost, he says.
That America is disintegrating because of race mixing.
If you agree with that, then I definitely would like to hear from you.
And I'm going to hold one line open for people who believe that exclusively.
Tell you what, let's try it again.
We've got a couple of gentlemen on here.
Number one is a gentleman who believes the white race should rule.
Well, I'm going to start out by saying that first of all, I have to say that I believe in God, and I have to say that I think God loves all people, whether they're white or black, equally.
And what I'm talking about here is I would like to see a society where everyone has the most the best chance at good health care, prosperity, housing, that kind of thing.
And the way I believe that we get there is an exact opposite direction of where our country has been headed.
I would like to go back to the days of literacy tests.
I would like to see, basically, it would come down to almost a well, what we had in this country when this country was started was only white male Christian property owners could vote.
And I dare say that if we had that today, that blacks in this country would be a hundred times better off.
unidentified
Okay, can I interrupt you and ask you something?
Where are you from?
Michigan?
Yes.
Okay, are you part Polish?
No.
Are you part Irish?
I'm European American.
European.
So what gives you the right to say what you're going in my country?
Well, I don't understand your point.
You're a foreigner yourself.
What are you talking about?
Okay, so are you a foreigner?
Are you a foreigner?
Well, of course I am.
I'm not trying to tell people how to run the country either.
I'm trying to get along with everybody.
First of all, if God created everybody, He did create everybody equal, okay, so here we are equal.
And I do not want to have a repeat of the conversation that we just heard, which was low IQ and anti-galitude.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
The thing about it is, is a person, white, black, green, purple, or indifferent, if they think they're better than somebody else, then they're going to be treated worse, simply.
Okay?
In my neighborhood, we have black people that say they're equal to white people, but yet they continuously single themselves out with the Black Entertainment Network and the Black Chamber of Commerce and the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and this and that and the other.
But, you know, that's my question, is why they continuously single themselves out.
I look at everybody as equal.
My brothers and my sisters.
If my sister married a black man or a Hispanic man or something like that, hey, it's great, you know.
Well, look, this is the white male Christians, with their worldview, gave us the Constitution, gave us a constitutional republic of limited government, low taxes, and individual rights.
And I believe that blacks would be better off if we had a government such as our founding fathers created.
unidentified
Michigan?
Yes.
What if, say, the Pueblo or the Cheyenne or the Indian nation got together and said, okay, everybody that's not a Native American, go back to where you came from.
Well, then they'd have to go back to where they came from.
Well, and I guess Chris had a whole bunch of surprises when he landed here because, you know, the way I understand it is the Indians, the Native Americans, populated the land and they landed at Plymouth Rock and they said, move over, and ended up over on Alcatraz.
My forefathers, the white man, came over from Europe and they started everything that based this country.
And, I mean, they started the government and everything else.
They got everything rolling in motion.
The blacks were brought over here as slaves and to work on the plantations and the farms and such.
So as the Asians or the Spanish or whatever you want to call them.
Basically, it comes down to the point that the white kept in control all the way up until the point of where the Emancipation Proclamation was signed, which released the blacks and gave them their freedom.
Well, at that point, everybody seemed to start being more relaxed on the idea of blacks being free or Asians being free or Hispanics being more free into the community and into the people.
But there was still racism.
And it comes all the way up until today.
My point, basically, and my whole belief on that, is if it weren't for them, everybody being more relaxed towards the freedom of all the different races and stuff, the United States would be more in control.
I believe that they should all be put back.
That's what makes Africans from Africa and Asians from Asia and so on and so forth.
It was the white males who got the guts to come over here.
In other words, everybody black or Asian or whatever ought to be sent home, right?
unidentified
That's right.
Okay, I hear you.
And where would you go home to?
Well, my forefathers came over to this country from England.
And mine came from England and Ireland and Scotland and Wales and France and etc.
But one of us met the boat.
One of us met the boat when it came over here.
So I belong here more than you belong here.
My point is that it has been probably the white race that has gone so far with technology that we have made the smokestacks, we have made the atomic bomb, we have polluted the rivers, the streams, the oceans, and after our alabaster selves have outsmarted ourselves out of existence, it won't be particularly the white man.
It will be the wily, the wise, and the tough who survive after the white man and his technology has ruined the world.
No, where the point lies is we our forefathers brought the blacks over here as slaves and the Asians and so forth.
Well, once they started getting more freedom and everything started becoming a little more lax, is them being in the community and them being in the surrounding and getting more opening.
I heard you say that before.
Right.
What happened was it created a population mass.
And with that much opening of freedom for different cultures, everything started getting swamped here.
And that's where it started coming more abundant.
People started rushing in over here because there was more openness.
There was more freedom as far as the government.
Everything was more relaxed.
That was wrong?
Yes, that was not wrong.
My grandfathers and my great-grandfathers came over here and busted their rear to create all this just so that they can let it lax so everybody else can help take it over.
No.
I don't think so.
But mine came over for freedom.
Mine stayed in Holland for a while and learned some mighty truths from Holland.
We didn't learn everything from the English and came over here and busted their butts, as you say, to make freedom, to believe in our Constitution, to believe that men are created equal.
And you don't believe that people are created equal then.
That's right.
And so I just think you have a basic, basic.
Well, where my understanding lies is they might be created equal in a sense that they're created equal in their country.
My great-grandfathers and everybody created this one.
And I don't see where it's right for everybody to come over here and take the advantage of their creation and run with it.
Why can't they do that in their own countries?
Because this is their country.
They were born here.
Many people of other races were born here.
And what about you?
What about my ancestor who met the boat?
This was her country.
Okay.
So.
And but she isn't white.
Well, I'm sorry.
Well, I'm not sorry.
I'm just tremendously proud.
Okay.
Well, I mean, more power to you.
That's about all I can say.
Well, that's basically.
As far as the interracial mixing and everything else, you know, if there's any interracial mixing, you know, send them too, as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, that is just not right.
That's what separates different cultures.
That's what makes English English.
That's what makes Africans, Africans, and Asians, Asians, and so on and so forth.
Art, I've just spent the last two hours wandering the In4 mission page.
All I can say is, wow.
I really hope it is the genuine article, but I think it'd be very difficult to keep such a mission like this hush-hush as it seems to have been.
It does sound quite sci-fi.
It'd be fantastic to actually make contact with an alien race.
Couldn't help but think of the original War of the Worlds broadcast the whole time I was reading.
I would like to know your opinion, Art.
What do you think of it?
Do you think it's real?
Really?
Bruce and Denver.
Bruce, I have serious doubts.
All I know is, when I ran into it, I was shocked.
The slickness of it, the obvious size of it, the money that had to go behind it, all of it hit me, and I felt that that's why we put in the link.
I wanted the audience to take a look at it.
For all I know, it's a kind of promo for a movie or something.
But what if it's real?
So what do I really think?
I don't know.
It was so slickly done that I just wanted you guys to take a look at it.
And so far, what everybody who's looking is saying is holy smokes and wow and things like that.
So you take a look and let me know.
There's a link from my page.
You go to my webpage.
It's Eon-4, E-O-N-4.
And it is the damnedest thing you've ever seen.
You can get to it from my webpage.
Go to www.artbell.com.
And from there, you'll see a link.
Jump over, take a look.
It, I guarantee, will blow your mind.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yeah, the guy that was bringing up the subject about the Indians and how we pushed them around was a long overdue subject.
It was kind of ironic how everything pretty well originated from Europe.
At one time, Alaska and Russia was connected.
Being that we are all supposed to be one, we have a I guess what I want to say is this country is pretty well composed of an example of what the world is like.
It's a very warlike species we are.
We've come a long ways since the barbaric times when the Vikings and the Danes were plundering and well it typifies the human nature.
What I mean by we've become more civilized.
We have football games and the like instead of gladiators.
If we survive long enough to get a little bit better, we'd better be real nice to the aliens when they land and not ask them for their green card or shoot at them because their technology is going to be so much more superior than ours.
We would fill them so full of lead they couldn't get back to their spaceship.
They'd be weighed down in lead.
This story just in from L.A., a 14-year-old girl faces attempted murder charges for allegedly putting get this, rubbing alcohol in her nine-month-old brother's formula.
Los Angeles police arrested the girl Friday evening at the family's residence, and I won't give the street, in Los Angeles.
The baby vomited the tainted formula, was taken to Martin Luther King Jr., Drew Medical Center, where he was in stable condition on Saturday.
I heard everybody talk, and it was like, I look at all the other ethnic groups in America, and they talk about themselves, you know, Cinco de Mayo or Martin Luther King Day.
It's like, we, the black people in America, they are a people.
unidentified
The Mexican Americans, they are a people.
Their own culture.
I don't see anybody in the white community saying, we are a people.
Well, I sort of like try to deny it for a while, but I've been robbed several times at gunpoint and beaten over the head with a gun and my money taken, and I had to have metal staples put in my head to close the wounds.
My parents have been robbed and, you know, like their house cleaned out several times, and they were black, you know, and I kind of have this problem that maybe, you know, in most prisons, they're sort of pretty much full.
I'd just like to comment on the subject that's been kind of kicked around here the last couple of hours with this Turner Diary thing and whatnot.
I'm a black American, and I'd just like to kind of bring another angle to this discussion because a lot's been said, but there's a lot that really hadn't been said.
If you do the numbers and you look at the debt, even with the deficit ostensibly cut in half, as the president would brag, we continued to mount more debt all the time.
A lot of Americans don't know that.
They think, why, the president's really turned it around.
The debt's still going up and it is gigantic.
The interest on the debt will soon consume all the money that we have that we might use for anything else.
Imagine that.
Then what?
What are we going to do?
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What is it that you believe that makes white people so much that, you know, you should run everything and that no other people should be involved in the workings of this world?
I believe that everybody is different.
We have our different ethical backgrounds, and I don't believe that you're supposed to hate somebody because they're white.
And you know that's how it is in this country.
Well, if I understand correctly, you hate people because they're black.
I mean, if you're a white supremacist.
I see there is a difference between us.
But it is not difference.
I mean, difference is what makes this world as beautiful as it is.
If everything was one color, then, you know, we'd all be blind.
I would have no problem with them if we were all equal.
No, I'm talking about being blind and all things being one color.
No.
It can't be that way.
Well, it can't be that way.
I mean, because it takes all kinds to make this world what it is.
I mean, if you look at World War II and what happened with the Allied effort, I mean, there were people down in Solomon Islands, down in Australia, the Aborigines.
I mean, you had people all over, I mean, doing different things to try and make this place livable for all people, not just one people.
So why don't you go ahead and say what you want to say?
unidentified
You know, what makes America great is we've got the best of all of this, of all that this world has to offer.
They've got the best from every country, you know, in creation.
And that's what makes America great.
And, you know, for folks to have this self-righteous idea that, you know, it's all because of them and because of something that their father or grandfather might have done, you know, that's what's made America.
No, I mean, Pocahontas, when she showed love for John Ross and all of the other people that she helped, I mean, she was an Indian.
She was different.
And, you know, when we work together, when America comes together, I mean, there's nothing on this planet that's better.
Yeah, but the last good example of that was World War II, and arguably it's been getting worse, not better.
And I puzzle at that.
unidentified
Well, you know, there are people out there that make big bucks when they find people that just choose to follow for no good reason, you know, and send their money And devote their time for no good reason.
It's hatred, and it's building, and I just maybe it is money.
Maybe it's.
It seems like money is at the bottom of most stuff, but it's sells art.
unidentified
And if you look at the bottom line, it's all about money.
And if folks would take time to really try and add direction to what they do with their time, their effort, and their enthusiasm, they would realize, you know, that, you know, this kind of a thing, I mean, that's no way to spend time.
I mean, because it's something that it's not infinite.
I mean, we don't have all the time in the world, but when you're young, like the young fellow that called in earlier from Oregon, I mean, he thinks and believes that, you know, he's right.
But when he sees the blood and guts that will have to be spilled as a result of that philosophy that he's espousing, he'll change his mind.
And it's like they don't understand the economics and the fundamental things about education.
You know, if white society runs America and it's supposed to be a free country, I would think that it would be their responsibility to make sure that everyone got an equitable education.
But as we know, that's not true.
We have schools in America that don't have adequate light, water, toilet system.
We have children going to school that can't even use the bathroom.
We have black Americans that can't get a job.
They can't work.
They are desperate people.
I think that some of those people need to understand that.
You know, I was thinking they won't have to bother with the gas ovens because the ozone hole, which was created by superior white technology, will be getting all of it.
You know, white skin, a gift of God.
I want to dedicate this thought to Jeff, the skinhead.
All skin color on the planet is the result of two diseases.
And the other ridiculous thing is this Yahweh, Yahweh, Jahwe.
I'm reading from the dictionary here.
Yahweh, Yahweh, Jaw.
Anyway, there's about eight ways to pronounce it.
You know, they despise the Jews, but they not only worship a religion that was written or compiled at least by the Hebrews, but the word Yahweh is a made-up name.
If we spent one-tenth the time trying to be productive, for example, going to space or going to some other galaxy or traveling faster than light, we'd already be in saucers.
We would be the aliens if we spent one-tenth the time doing that as we do hating.
You know, the left-wing brother, he did something quite remarkable.
He's a local hero, and he not only defended me with a speech on his show and a letter to his brother, the right-wing brother, but he and the right-wingers put together this committee.
Do you know about the committee to vote down Initiative 24?
He made a coalition of the right-wing and the left-wing, and it's called something like the committee to vote down silly politicians who just want to grab our power committee or something like that.
And I would definitely agree that with one of your, I don't know who it was that you had on, but they were saying that there's two possibilities with it, that it's either a fake or it's real, of course.
Yeah, and, you know, I just wanted to express my opinion as far as that's concerned.
It's like, you know, I don't know.
I don't know what to say about it other than the fact that I can tell right off the bat when people expouse all that hate that they're really ignorant or they're really fearful because eventually all of us are going to assimilate if we're going to survive.
And to me, when you mix up all the races, they come out to be real beautiful people.
Not to say that other races that, you know, like whites or Chinese or whatever are not pretty people on their own.
But my experience is like if you mix races together, they come out to be real beautiful children and stuff like that.
And the last thing I like to say is, as far as the hate's concerned, I know it's taught.
And the only thing I can say is that you just look at the playground where the kids are playing at, and you can tell exactly that, you know, we're not born with the hate.
The hate is taught and passed down through the parents.
I just know that in the last few years, and I mean very few, two, three, four, maybe even five, the situation has been worsening, the tolerance lessening.