Art Bell’s May 17, 1996 Coast to Coast AM episode explores Admiral Jeremy Boorda’s suicide amid medal controversies, the ValueJet crash’s unexplained debris, and the Freemen standoff—now a potential hostage crisis—while dismissing their patriotism as a cover. Callers speculate on chupacabras (blood-draining creatures), Project Argus’ SETI risks, and "quickening" (AI consciousness or societal collapse), with Bell entertaining fringe theories like atmospheric pressure migraines and $100 bills tied to inflation. Skeptical of welcoming extraterrestrials, he warns of unintended harm, blending skepticism with open-minded curiosity about humanity’s future amid accelerating global chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
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I got a fax.
Actually, I got a ton of them.
Email earlier today.
This one, Robin from Houston, Texas, just wanted to take a second to congratulate all involved in the Art Bell webpage.
It appears that all the hard work going into the site is paying off.
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This is not an easy task.
I've been developing web pages for a long time and still have not been able to break into the top 5%.
Keep up the good work and effort.
Robin from Houston.
Thank you, Robin.
And Keith Rowland is the guy who does the magic up there.
I supply some photographs and information as it comes in.
But Keith Rowland is the magic behind that.
And it is an honor to be named top 5%.
It's kind of like going to the head of the class or something.
There is a wealth of information on that page.
Everything we talk about and photographs of just about all the anomalous things we talk about and strange things.
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Boy, is there a lot up there?
Now, the news, such as it is.
The Navy's top officer, Admiral Jeremy Borda, as you know, a suicide, said to be.
And it is over apparently honor.
Honor.
This is the man, the first man ever to come from enlisted ranks to the top job in the Navy.
His friends, his associates, are shocked and grieving, and there is a great debate underway.
He received a burial with full military honors at Andrews Air Force Base.
One of the notes that he left, he left two notes, and we know partially of the contents of one, he left to the enlisted ranks in the Navy.
And he said he would end his life rather than allow controversy over his medals and any harm to come to the Navy.
It involved two V medals that he wore, indicating combat in Vietnam.
To wear the medals required a specific citation.
And the part of this that I don't quite understand is that of the higher-level Navy people that NBC interviewed last night about all of this, they said, you know, he has a right to wear those medals.
He had every right to wear them.
There was an investigation underway by media publication, I think it was Newsweek, and he decided to end his life.
That's really something to think about, isn't it?
But honor in the military is honor.
And I don't know, in a strange kind of way, it's kind of nice to know there is still honor out there.
Not nice to hear about a death, and frankly, not I don't fully understand it because the people they interviewed, perhaps not wanting to speak ill of the dead, I don't know, but they said he had won the right to wear those.
So you're tempted to say, boy, there's got to be more.
Did he really kill himself over just this?
Anyway, there it is.
The ValueJet crash continuing in the news.
Flight 592, by now you know all about it.
They're trying to put the pieces back together.
So far, not many, and what they have is small, 4% of the airplane recovered.
We may never know what happened.
ValueJet has cut their schedule in half, causing havoc.
The FAA says they are safe, and you can continue to fly.
The military is not, and now half their flights are canceled.
It looks like there was an explosion and possibly fire, maybe not, shortly after takeoff.
Most of that airplane is buried very deeply in the swamp as she went nosing into that swamp and probably dug a hole.
They may never get it.
Another day of talks scheduled between the Freemen and the FBI with a Colorado senator acting as middleman.
His comments after a couple of days of talks, much like not quite as dramatic as Bogrites, but he says they're a long way apart.
And I'm getting a lot of correspondence about the Freemen.
Here's typical.
The Freemen should have been overrun within the first few hours.
Delay gives them control of the situation.
If the Justice Department gives in to one demand, they'll not be satisfied.
There will be more.
They're no more reliable than Hitler was regarding his promises.
Well, I don't know about that.
There was one time, you'll recall, they promised to come out when the state of Montana said they'd drop charges.
They did within 24 hours.
And they initially said, oh, yes, celebrated.
I think they thought that meant all charges would be dropped.
Well, the answer to that is no.
And I don't, I just, I hope that this does not end poorly.
And I am willing to interview anybody who can get to me from the Freemen and give them a fair shake here on the air.
You know my general view about it.
It is not favorable to the Freemen.
With what I know, and I've looked into this as carefully as I can.
They are lawbreakers.
And I believe they are lawbreakers using the shield of the Patriot movement to hide behind.
Frankly, that's my view.
However, I'm more than willing to be fair and to give them an even shot as I would any guest I'd have on the program.
And my guess would be they don't much like my tail end, but that's all right.
They need not like me.
They need only to understand that I give my guests a fair break and that this is the largest live overnight talk show in the country and beyond in the world.
And if they want a fair shake, I promise them that.
My attitude does not bear on my sense of professional conduct, and you know what that is with regard to guests.
I like them to be able to say what they want to say, no matter where it goes, and no matter what eggs get broken along the way.
I'll let them have their say.
And I would do that, you can be sure, with the Freemen.
And I have had numerous debates on the topic.
Okay, other news is something I want to talk to you about that we talked about yesterday morning, and I'm really serious about this.
I am a gun advocate, a gun owner.
I've owned guns all my life.
I've trained with them.
I've been to courses.
I qualified and carried a concealed weapon for six years.
And I wouldn't be without guns.
But there's something I want to say.
Lately, I've noticed a trend among callers, and that is that they have begun to regard the gun first and the gun as the only protectorate of our freedoms.
Well, it ain't so.
The gun is our final protector of freedoms.
A gun is our final resort in America.
And toward that end, I thought it might be important, and we began to do it yesterday, and it occurred to me that it would make a very productive conversation to ask you what it is that makes us what we are.
Ronald Reagan said, you know, you can go to Japan or you can go to Germany, but you can never be a German and you can never be a Japanese.
You can be there, but you can't be that.
In America, you can come and you can be an American.
So the gun is not the only guardian of our freedom.
What we are and what we believe about our country, the liberty we have, the aggressiveness, our aggressive nature, it was Patton they were showing last night on NBC saying Americans love to fight.
Any good, red-blooded American loves to go to war, to have a fight.
That's aggressiveness.
We traditionally have been a very independent group of people, rebellious.
Yes, we're rebellious.
Yes, we're fighters.
Yes, we're violent.
The rest of the world looks at America and thinks of it as the wild west.
And compared to the rest of the world, it is.
But it is part of what we are.
We're inventive.
We're entrepreneurs.
We're not like the Japanese.
Much as I like the Japanese, they're worker bees.
They're almost a central consciousness.
They are so homogenous.
We are not.
We're divergent.
We're fighters.
We get on here on the radio and we tear into each other six ways from Sunday.
So, you know, we're a lot of things.
Americans are a lot of things.
And those things are not just protected by a gun.
The gun is the last resort.
What we are is protected by who we are.
And if we lose our way, we'll lose our country.
And I'll tell you something.
If we lose who we are, we're not going to be able to get it back with guns.
Are you following me here?
The guns are a protection ultimately against a government gone wild, a suddenly oppressive government that would take our freedoms and our liberties, truly take them.
Some sort of police state.
Then, yes, to hell with them at that point.
You grab a gun and you change it.
That is not arguably what we have now, despite Freeman claims and other things.
That is not what we have now.
We have freedom of travel.
First Amendment is alive and well.
Even the right to privacy, though infringed to some degree by the various wars we have underway, drugs and the rest of them, still basically intact.
Trial by jury, still available.
If you need it, boy, if you need it, you really need it.
So I've noticed a trend of people beginning to suggest that the gun is the only avenue to freedom.
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That's all I can say.
That's all they'll let me say.
They said, you can say it's a monster, but you can't say who it is.
you will not find, with an occasional exception, I mean there have been a couple of them that have taken after me, other Otherwise, I don't pay attention to what they're doing because I do a different kind of talk radio.
Doc Berry, liberal Doc Berry down in Phoenix, sent me a fax today that says the following.
Check this out.
Dear Art, this morning's Arizona Republic, that's the big paper down there, had banner front-page headlines in fully one-inch type that said, Chupacabra Mania sweeps Mexico.
Included in the feature story was a four-color map of Mexico.
So the Chupacabra was the headline, banner headline in the Arizona Republic.
All of a sudden, now what do you think about that?
I'm just saying that as a general rule, if you follow the theory of the Big Bang, then generally you're going to find the same main elements, planet to planet, system to system.
That's all.
That's probably a good working hypothesis until somebody shows us it is wrong.
A lot of people, it's interesting, who listen to Dreamland on a regular basis sort of take it in stride, or, you know, it's food for thought or whatever.
But a lot of people faxed me after Ghost Wolf and said that guy scared the hell out of me.
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Really?
Yeah.
Well, he did say some disturbing things, but as you said, it was something to think about.
But I couldn't believe him being this close to St. Louis that there wasn't something, you know, in the paper or on the news or something announcing his arrival.
I think that the United States should either recognize them as an independent country and build a wall around them and then tell them that they can't leave.
And if they do, that they're going to be arrested for treason.
Even if you don't own a gun, as an American, you know, you have the right to.
You're not going to give that up.
And shouldn't.
You know, you'd be out of your mind.
Don't give up your guns.
But also, don't think of your guns as the first solution.
That's what I was complaining about last hour.
America is more than the guns that we would need if we need to someday overthrow the government or something like that.
America is what it is because of who we are.
Because of who we are.
We are America.
And if we change to the degree that we're not the people we once were, the aggressive, entrepreneur, independent fighters that we are, if we change, then we'll lose America.
And then the guns won't help anyway.
Because it'll just bring on a great change.
You know, we'll be a police state or else we'll turn into so many thiefdoms and kingdoms and all that.
That wasn't the idea, was it?
So if it gets to the point where we've got to use the guns, then, for the most part, the battle's over.
That's like the last thing you want to have to do.
But on the other hand, you don't want to give up that option either.
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The reason I called was a couple things.
First, I'm a first-time caller.
I've been listening to you since the Ebola breakout in Africa.
Ah, yes.
Oh, and you really impressed me because you were, well, I listened to you all night, and then I watched NBC News in the morning, and you were still giving more information than they were.
And maybe there's been a few that stick around that, you know, that reproduce eggs.
There not being many of them, so they're seen very rarely, but then all of a sudden there's a huge population of them for a while, then they disappear again.
For those of you who are just joining us, the chupacabra is, well, it began apparently in Puerto Rico, showed up in South America, Central America, traceable to the north, Texas, California, even reports in Oregon.
And it is the talk of Mexico.
It is headline news everywhere in Mexico.
It was headline news in Phoenix yesterday.
So, you know, whatever it is, it's something.
I don't know if it's some mystical mythological creature, something new, something from a lab, something from some portal through time or another dimension or whatever it is.
Who knows?
Maybe it's just an evolutionary step for something else that was here.
It says, Art CBS News Top of the Hour is quoting Bog Rites as saying four leaders, the Freemen, are forcing people to stay at the compound against their will, including women and children.
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Yes, that's exactly what they said, and they said they're kind of split.
Look, they have not committed a capital crime or a potential capital crime.
At Waco, no matter how you feel about Waco, there were federal officers killed, people at the compound, too.
Here, nobody's been killed.
There are children and women inside.
However, however, if they are being forced to remain, then instead of a standoff, you really have a hostage situation, don't you?
So that's going to change it.
If this report is true, it's going to change it.
And if the report came from Bog Reitz, then I would be more inclined to believe it.
Not because I'm a Bogritz follower or fan necessarily, but because Bogreitz would tend, it seems to me, because of his own ideology, to not want to report such a thing.
It varies widely, state to state, county to county.
And in some states, for example, when the police are forced to respond to a domestic difficulty, you know, husband and wife fight, automatically, both parties are under arrest and taken to jail, and then it is worked out later.
In other places, the police do a sort of a wink and a nod and say, hey, you guys, stop that, and leave.
So there's that much difference in the way it is handled.
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I mean, it's almost like an invitation to say, hey, come move to my county.
I just wanted to let people know over the airways because they can get more of them involved than probably the magazine can about Project Argus.
And the name is, of course, based on the Greek mythological god Argus, who was all seeing with millions of eyes.
Right.
And he can see everything at once.
Right.
So anyway, SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence Program, lost its funding from the government, and a few scientists have been doing it cheaply, keeping it going.
But I think it's a great idea to get, because this way they can be, with people all around the nation getting involved in it, we can have them pointed at all directions, just like Argus, all seen.
The Wall Street Journal a couple of years ago ran an article saying that legalizing hemp in its various forms would add about a half trillion dollars to the tax base in America.
A half a trillion dollars per year.
That's a lot of money.
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I think that we deserve that tax dollars.
And I don't think that the police deserve to be able to take people's homes in lieu of it.
Our laws with regard to marijuana are disproportionate and harmful even because it is a lie.
And when you lie to children once, then you're leading them down the path.
In other words, they try marijuana.
Their brain doesn't fry.
They live through the experience.
It's fairly mild compared to what they thought it was.
Then they think, well, oh, cool.
Then, sure, let me try some of this Coke.
Only it's not mild.
It's not a lie.
It's really bad.
It really ruins lives.
But they go ahead and they try it because lied to once, probably lied to twice, in their opinion.
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You know how the drugs, the outgoing drugs are made the comments about Adidas putting out a shoe called the hemp, and he was saying, oh, it's sending the wrong message to the children of America.
I guess he forgot about Coca-Cola and opium perfume and all of those products.
You know, I really think that as a drug, it's probably one of the safest drugs known to man.
And there's more medicines that could be made out of it.
This is, well, I'm going to sound it off the wall, but my mom has told me about your show, and I get really severe migraines, so severe that I haven't been able to work for quite some time.
And I've read the Migrainers Handbook of Rights because there were doctors I talked to, they sent me to specialists all over the place.
And there were doctors I spoke with, and I'd tell them when the weather changed, I had a migraine coming on.
I could tell when the weather was changing.
Yes.
And apparently they have found electromagnetic changes in the atmosphere can cause migraines.
My mother told me that she had heard people on your show who have suffered from migraines, who have called you and told you in the northwestern region that they've been having migraine problems like mine, or rather like mine.
In other words, what you're doing is you're relating electromagnetic change preceding Earth change or earthquakes or Earth movement or even weather fronts to your condition.
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Okay.
Apparently, yes.
Apparently I'm sensitive to that, and apparently there are many other people who are too.
Yes.
And I tried to tell this to some of the doctors and they acted like I was crazy.
And I really thought I was for a while until I started getting some affirmation.
And I'm wondering, is there a group or organization or someone I can talk to about this?
Because I've had this type of thing happen, and I seem to be sensitive to this type of thing.
Most of the Canadians who call from the Western provinces that I talk to, you know, they're pretty fed up, and their attitude is, well, Quebec, if you want to leave, then don't let the door hit you in the tail end as you go.
You know, they're getting fed up with it.
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Yeah, well, that's really not my attitude because it would really split up our country.
Remember, if you're outside the USA, you can still call us toll-free.
Get hold of the AT ⁇ T operator or the ATT USA direct access number for your country.
Dial it.
Or have the operator dial 800-893-0903.
That's, don't put the one in there.
Just 800-893-0903 internationally.
I think that I will follow the advice of, or the plea for, an unusual line.
So I am going to establish, instead of my first time caller line, I'm now going to restrict that single number to two categories of people, both of them very interesting.
Aliens and immortals.
The ANI line.
The ANI line.
Aliens and immortals.
Now, what do we mean?
Well, first of all, when we say aliens, we mean people who are not from this planet.
We don't mean people who think they might be descendant of an alien or something.
We mean real aliens.
Them.
Those guys or gals.
Actually from somewhere else on a mission here to Earth, or sometimes they claim to be stranded here on Earth.
So that would qualify you as an alien from another star system.
Not another country.
We've got plenty of those.
Another star system.
Or even a nearby planet.
I mean, who knows?
And then the second category of people would be immortals.
I've not heard from an immortal in, I don't know, a good three weeks.
These would be people who don't die.
Not those of you who don't think you're going to die, but those of you who have been around for at least, what do you say, folks?
150 years minimum, 200 years?
Something beyond, reasonably beyond the normal span of life.
There are many out there who claim, who actually claim that they have lived that long, some of them even thousands of years.
So, I hereby restrict the following number to aliens and or immortals.
Area code 702-727-1222.
You'd be very surprised how many people claim to be in one of these categories these days.
And we always question them and interview them about why they're here and what they're doing and how long they've been here.
And if they're immortal, we try and pin down how they've done it.
We've had some pretty gory descriptions of how they've done it.
But anyway, aliens and immortals, the A ⁇ E line at area code 702-727-1222.
East of the Rockies, you're call the wildcard lines.
Area 702-727-1295.
Okay, we're going to have to start again, partner, because you're not allowed to give your last name on the air.
What we've got to do to broadcast on shortwave, we believe, is get a satellite to bump us across the Atlantic Ocean so that we can come down in Eastern Europe.
And we're talking to some Eastern European, very high-powered broadcasters who need some good old American currency, hard currency, and have the big signals over Europe and Asia.
And the second thing is, my office, we've adopted this stray cat, and I've been wanting to test out that cat screech or whatever to see what it does to this cat.
And I haven't had a chance to record any of your broadcasts until tonight.
Okay, well, you've got to put the decimal in there, or we don't know what you're talking about.
thirty eight ninety four point five why are they uh... uh...
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every single night they're out there playing music and noise and really computer game noises and it's just sickening And I've written to the FCC, but they don't seem to care.
A friend of mine says they've been out there for years on that frequency.
Well, I've had a lot of fun with ham radio over the years, too.
Not playing music and stuff, but you're not supposed to do that.
But I've always thought ham radio was a little stiff.
Now there's a line there, though, and hams are supposed to have decorum that transcends the citizens band.
That line has been a little blurred of late.
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You and I have talked about the possibility of some nation getting very close to the United States with portable missile launchers.
And then, you know, you launch a nuke into the atmosphere.
It detonates, and it's history for us technologically, isn't it?
Absolutely.
Anybody that's involved in this issue asks, why have we not been thinking about this?
I hope we straighten it out before we have to pay a terrible price.
Bye, I hope so, too.
You're listening to Ark Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 17th of May, 1996.
I have people call me constantly and say, well, the Freemen are just doing what the Federal Reserve is doing, and we all know that's wrong.
They're printing money out of nothing, and if the Fed can do it, then the Freemen can do it.
That's what I hear.
Well, the argument about the Federal Reserve aside for just a second, maybe it's all wrong.
All right?
Suppose I concede to you that it's wrong.
Does that mean that it's okay for us to do wrong?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Wrong is wrong.
And if you're bitching and moaning, complaining about the Fed, then how do you figure that individuals have any right based on that wrong to commit wrong themselves?
That is the way it works.
You don't justify one wrong with another or a perceived wrong with a real wrong or however you want to look at it.
They would take the position that constitutionally the Fed has no place printing money, creating money without backing, blah, blah, blah, that the Constitution says that Congress shall be the only institution to coin money and that it shall be backed by gold and so forth and so on.
Now, constitutionally, strictly, they're very much against that.
And they are contending that, look, if the Fed can do this and create money virtually out of nothing and it's not constitutional, then we can do that too.
Now, I just wasn't sure about, you know, why they had heard before, you know, that the Congress had given the Fed control to be able to do that, or Congress was given control, but I wasn't sure why they exactly thought that they were doing something wrong.
Well, that is not, in fact, what's going on in Mexico.
So she had it wrong.
Period.
It is not those who cheat who end up with the two little holes in their neck.
What's going on in Mexico is real.
And though there are a lot of jokes going around about it, the fact of the matter is, there is a creature out there killing sheep, goats, chickens, and now, unfortunately of late, people.
And it is attacking them.
And there has been all kinds of veterinary evidence to indicate that these animals have all the blood taken from them.
A lot of people said, well, it's just a bat.
Well, without getting too gory, bats bite necks and then effectively lap what blood comes out up.
That's how a bat does it, a vampire bat.
And there are vampire bats.
This is a whole new problem.
This involves creatures having all of the blood removed from their bodies by whatever this damn thing is.
Imagination, no.
I've seen and have videotaped of literally hundreds of animals that they have examined.
Some not.
Some they've just shaved and looked for the marks and found the two marks.
Typically there are two marks on the outside of the neck and inside four marks.
Well, I work with a large telecommunications company, and they have been implementing a bunch of artificial intelligence programs that take the place of people.
And they've routed a bunch of the lab people down to Atlanta because they're having trouble there.
The equipment grabs up all the memory and takes over, and they can't process calls.
That's one of the reasons why they're putting a big cellular network all around Atlanta, because they don't have these artificial intelligence things in the cellular system yet.
But the regular phone system could just die dead in a doornail if this sucker, excuse me, if it gets conscious and starts doing things on its own again.
It's already killed a couple of systems in a couple other cities.
I appreciate the comment, believe me, and what you have raised is absolutely been a point of fascination for me forever.
As we get faster and faster processors, as we get so much memory available, it is in fact, I believe, possible, one day that the processing speed, and I have no idea how far they've gone.
I mean, they're beyond the craze.
But one day, a machine may assume what we recognize as consciousness, which I believe is self-awareness and decision-making without input, without additional input.
So I don't rule out such a thing as possible.
At what speed, with what kind of storage would such a thing occur?
I don't have the slightest idea.
Could it already have occurred?
Yes.
Would the technicians tending such a machine have the you-know-what scared out of them?
Yes, I would imagine so.
And would they try to stop it?
Yes, I would think so, because you want to be in command.
Man wants to be in command of machines, not the other way around.
I mean, it's become, it's become a very almost sickening world.
I mean, you live, it used to be that you could go out on the street and people wouldn't people wouldn't, if they said hello, they'd I mean, they wouldn't mug you afterwards.
And I've been, I mean, I've been beat up and slashed.
my accent obviously changed but i came over here from britain um at about 1835 and it was that was actually a very interesting period In fact, I'd rather prefer, if I could stop time, I'd prefer to stay in that time then rather than the 1990s because people seem so sinister nowadays.
The Arkansas Press Democrat, a Clintonista newspaper, there's a reporter in that newspaper who has, in a story, published the names, the addresses, and even the photographs of the jurors.
I appreciate the call, and we'll look for some corroborating evidence of that.
That's horrible if it's true.
Horrible if it's true.
Why would anybody publish the names and addresses of jurors?
I will take that with a grain of salt until I know otherwise.
I just can't imagine why anybody would do that.
Hi, Art.
Tonight on pay-per-view was the Ultimate Fighting Championship 9.
It was the most boring one I've seen yet.
Yeah, see, they started to get boring, I told you.
I've seen better fights at the bingo parlor on our local senior citizen center night.
I've had root canals that were bloodier.
I'm sure a chupacabra would starve to death on the amount of blood shed in this competition.
I can't wait till UFC 10.
Daryl from Portland.
Well, I'm glad that I didn't buy it.
I watched one of the early ones, and it was really cool.
But as the UFC has progressed, it's becoming, it seems to me, more mainline, sort of more rules, you know, and less blood and gore and less really let's get it on and until somebody drops.
That's what it seemed like in the beginning, and then they moved away from that.
It got boring, so I haven't paid my money for it recently.
I mean, they ought to just keep it the way they began it.
So many things are ruined, it seems to me, by change.
Hi, Art.
On the surface, the Argus project to listen for extraterrestrial radio signals sounds interesting, but the odds of hearing any sort of off-world signals are nearly beyond calculation.
I don't know.
Here on Earth and through the millions of years of Earth's history, we've been reliably using radio for a mere 70 to 80 years.
At this point in time, we're on the brink of moving to digital communication modes that sound just like normal background noise and are indecipherable if you don't have the proper decoding equipment.
Now, that's true.
Conventional radio may be around another 70 or 80 years.
What are the chances of our use of conventional radio technology for 150 years or so, overlapping with some off-world civilization's use of the same type of technology at some point in the millions of years of their planet's history?
Moreover, do we really want anyone out there to know we're here?
I understand the Arecibo radio telescope in Puerto Rico has been used to transmit radio signals to deep space in recent years.
Could this be the reason unearthly, leathery-looking little fellows with red eyes have been flocking to Puerto Rico and the Americas?
Have the chupacapras locked on to the welcoming Arecibo beacon and followed it to Earth, where they found a motherload of warm-blooded creatures to feed upon.
Instead of trying to contact extraterrestrial life forms, I think we need to shut off all these radio beacons with their sappy, touchy, feely, welcome messages.
You never know what kind of scumbags, freeloaders, and or bloodsuckers might show up if you leave your door open and ask anyone to feel free to drop in.
Bob in Catchkan, Alaska.
Bob, that bears some serious thought, and I appreciate that facts.
And they claim, at least on the internet, that a little girl can disguise her voice as a mature adult, so that if you leave a girl in the house alone, when people call, they will not sing that you just together alone, and you can disguise the discussion.
And I don't know, an occasional exception, if a woman, look, if a woman gets pregnant, despite our best efforts, birth control and all the rest of it, and bearing that child would harm her significantly psychologically, then, you know, when it's a balance of a life versus a life.
So in other words, I do believe it's life, but I'm not crazed about it.
But, you know, the first half of any of the rest of you happen to see at the Carlin special?
George Carlin, I grew up with him, like a lot of you did.
And when he was commenting on life in general, he was really funny.
You know, our bodily processes, whatever.
The guy was a riot.
but in the first half of his new special running on hbo uh he takes off on the uh the abortion question and i frankly i found it and i just i didn't laugh To me, it was in bad taste.
Really in bad taste.
So that's the way I reacted to it.
Maybe it was just my mood at the time, but I thought it was in bad taste.
That's me.
I mean, I can see that if you were pro-choice, it might be a riot.
But I just, I sort of sat there and I didn't feel like it was a riot at all.
Just like I don't think eating cats is a riot either.
Dear Art, regarding that jerk in Minneapolis who said that he ate cat twice, if he really did, no, if he really did, and they really do, they do serve cat there, then let's hope for an outbreak of a specially nasty mad cat disease.
All right, what we're going to do tomorrow night, and I believe WHAM does carry it, we're going to repeat the interview beginning in the first hour so that the three hours of interview will be carried in total by those radio stations that carry the first three hours, typically WHAM, for example.
It was magical, is all I can say.
And I think that Gordon, Edgar rather, not Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, I guess if you want my assessment, over the three hours, they found more to agree on than I would have thought they could have in a million years.
And Edgar Mitchell, by the end of it, it's a remarkable thing to hear, agreed to look more closely at Mr. Hoagland's evidence.
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Great.
Okay?
Yeah.
So something else?
Yes.
All right.
The quickening.
Yes.
I have thought for some time that there has been like an increase in the life force, if you will, an increase in the rate of dispensation of it or whatever.
Right.
And I think that the effect in the earth plane, if you will, that happens is that if you have been searching for the truth and if your consciousness has been raised because of it, I think that the quickening will enlighten you more and more, make you more and more aware of the truth.
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And I think that if you have not been, if you've been dodging the truth and if you've been not really doing what you're supposed to do in the earth existence, and that is to learn and to be, I think that it'll have a destructive effect on you where you become out of control and perhaps flip out, if you will, and, you know, just commit mayhem, you know, go nuts, get on drugs.
i used to be a bartender on another alien planet you mean to say now see right away i'm disappointed because you mean people drink Well, they don't, but we forced them to.
You forced them to.
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Yes, sir.
And a rum and coke on another planet is called a cubralabre.
Every time you guys say that word, I think I can never say the correct pronunciation of that alien because I'm going to say it's a cubrlabre, and then I'm going to call in and say it.
And I just want to start off with saying, I cannot pronounce that word.
Well, that's proof that what people were saying before that they were going to use the international dollar to prop up or use the national dollar to prop up the international dollar, I believe.
Well, I think, sir, what's actually going to happen is that there is going to be a devaluation.
There has to be a devaluation.
The only way we're ever going to handle the debt, you know, and the interest on the debt, which will eventually take over every spare dollar we have, is clearly going to be a devaluation.
That's where it's headed.
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Seemed like inflation makes it worse.
But anyway, I wanted to get to the Freeman and the way people seem to want to go into some kind of a dynamic entry.
First of all, I consider these people inconsiderate of the others, of the innocents who are in there.
And if they're so bloodthirsty and want to find out what hell is like, they need to board up all their windows and nail their doors shut, pour a couple gallons of gasoline in the rug around them, wait a couple of minutes and strike a match.
If they're that bloodthirsty, they want to see how much into violence that they are then.
And these are people who say they're against violence.
And I don't know that it's fair to suggest that they are bloodthirsty or want a violent end to this.
That may not be fair at all.
However, the first part of what you said, I agree with.
And it seems to me that a real man, if he has decided there's going to be this sort of an end, or if there's even a great probability that there's going to be this kind of an end to a standoff, would get the women and children the hell out of there.
So if you guys are listening to me in Montana, why don't you get them the hell out of there?
If you're going to really do this, or even if you think there's a great probability that you're going to end up in a shooting fest with the BATF or FBI, why don't you get the women and children out?
There was a report earlier tonight that some women and children are being held against their will.
The report allegedly aired on CBS and purported to quote Bogritz, who was in there as saying that.
Now, if that's true, then I'm telling you right now, we have a whole new situation on our hands.
Now, I have not confirmed that report.
I checked CBS News in the last hour and didn't hear it.
So I'm taking it still with a grain of salt.
But should that report be accurate, then we've got something different on our hands here.
You're on the air, coast to coast AM with Art Bell.
Well, I think a great human solution or skill we have to deal with all these problems, whether they're the aliens of the Chupacabra here with that standoff, it's just creativity and compromise.
People could say reasoning skills, but I'd say those two kind of sum it up.
And anyways, evidence of the quickening along the scallion lines of things.
Fort St. John is a small town up in northeast British Columbia, and they just had a small earthquake.
If people aren't taking shots at you, you're not doing anything.
Whether it's Jim or Tom or Michael or any of them.
Look, I really don't go after others.
I don't need to.
They feel a need to come after me.
That's fine.
I don't care.
I'm not doing what they're doing.
I don't want to do what they're doing.
They have a certain kind of talk radio they're doing, and I have a certain kind I'm doing.
There are going to be people who don't like what I'm doing and people who don't like what they're doing.
I try to do different things.
I'm just absolutely convinced that talk radio, if it continues along the same old, well-worn, tired path of doing nothing but bashing and mashing the government and being as anti-government as it can be.
Not that that's not sometimes a proper thing to do, because it is, but just day after day after day, the drumbeat goes on of nothing but politics and anti-government.
To me, after a while, that gets boring, and I could not do it for five hours a night.
There are other things in life to talk about.
Sometimes just to have fun.
Sometimes to talk to aliens or immortals.
Sometimes to do truth or trash.
Sometimes to have people on with weird theories.
Sometimes to have guests on that push the envelope.
Sometimes just to have fun.
In other words, talk radio to me, ultimately, if it is going to survive, is going to have to become more of a reflection of life in general.
And I've said this over the air many times, and I'll say it once more.
In your life, how many hours a day at the office or at home do you spend with your wife or husband or co-workers talking about politics, bashing the Clinton administration?
I'm no friend of this Bill Clinton, but he is.
And to sit around and spend all my time bashing him or his administration is not my idea of a good time.
To spend all my time bashing government in general and blaming everything on government is not my idea of truthfulness.
Oh, it's easy, and it's a populist kind of thing to do.
But the fact of the matter is, in my view, we are the government.
Although, in most cases, most beings would opt for life.
In fact, there's a very, very good question for the rest of you.
If, as you grew older, you had the opportunity to co-opt another living being.
In effect, take over its mind and its body and its everything that it is, except that it would be your consciousness that would inhabit this body, do you think you would?
Or would your moral principles preclude you from doing it?
In other words, if you could continue life as you grew older by scoping some 19-year-old somewhere and virtually taking over that person's body, soul, and mind, would you do it?
Or would your moral code prevent you from such a thing?
No, I think they're waiting for our written report, and that should be in within days, and then they'll make a decision about whether they're going to air it or not.