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May 12, 1996 - Art Bell
15:14
Dreamland with Art Bell - Linda Moulton Howe - Roswell Crash Debris
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Well, it's as good as any other explanation you can come up with, and there are many.
And we know, Art, that there have been these stories since the 40s of silver discs with non-human beings being found in New Mexico and other places, and you've now had one correspondence that you have put out, you've gotten another.
I don't know if you are going to distribute that publicly, but it comes down to the fact Somebody says that they have had pieces of artifacts from a crash, and in the letter it says Roswell.
We don't know where.
There's no specific coordinates.
All right, if I might, let me stop you and tell everybody the second letter, the one Linda is now referring to with regard to the Roswell pieces, is now on the Internet.
It's under anonymous letters that you see first the photographs of the material, then the first letter, and now The second letter has been added to it as of this moment on my webpage.
Okay.
Linda, if you would, start out.
Yeah.
You've been a middle person for me and I really want to thank you because getting something like this is actually kind of a burden.
It is very difficult, Art, because you now are experiencing what, for the last 16 years, Trying to find anybody with very credible professional credentials who would be willing to look at physical tissue and samples in the unusual animal death was difficult and now having to deal with artifacts that may have come from a craft from someplace else is also difficult and we are still experiencing the same syndrome that these professionals
Ask for and must remain anonymous in order to protect their positions in their work.
How much can you tell us about the scientist, he's well credentialed, who examined this possible wreckage?
Yes, and he is in a major midwestern university.
He has been helping me and several other investigators in several aspects of the phenomena for about seven years.
His work is extremely good, well done, and he has been looking at the alleged Roswell UFO crash artifacts that you received last month.
Can you, before we get to that, tell us what kind of tests were done on the material?
You gave him ten pieces and the ten pieces broke down into five small, what turned out to be, this is very interesting, they are perfect squares.
They've been measured and they are exactly six millimeters by six millimeters square and less than one millimeter thick.
And every one of those five little squares weighs exactly 160 milligrams each.
How likely is that?
Because the pieces I gave you, Linda, were not all shaped the same.
I gave you some circles, I think, some oblongs, and some squares.
That's right.
The five squares are exactly perfect squares.
And they exactly weigh 160 milligrams each.
And they are machined.
The edges of each one of those little squares, when they looked at, and this comes to your question, he used a scanning electron microscope, which is used with, the scanning electron microscope is used with the energy dispersive spectroscopy.
Now what this all means, these big words, is that they have the ability now with scanning
electron microscope to take something, let's say this is 6 millimeters wide, which is just
a little bit over a quarter of an inch, and they can go down to the surface and they can
keep going down and down, they get down to 1 to 2 microns.
And to show you how small that is, if you could take and isolate a single blood cell
out of your bloodstream, it would be about 7 microns in diameter, a blood cell.
They're going down to 1 to 2 microns, which is about a third the size of a blood cell, to take a look at things on these artifacts that you sent, and when they get to a place that they're interested in, or various places, they then can ratchet change into A particular kind of switch, which is the energy dispersive spectroscopy.
And when you find out what you want to measure, and you're on a spot, this will determine exactly what elements are there.
Well, when they did this, on the five little squares, on the two ellipticals, which also were six millimeters wide... Lynn, I'm going to ask you to hold on for just a moment, if you would.
And, uh, we'll be right back to you.
We are at the half hour mark, folks.
Uh, Linda, are you there?
Yes, I hear you.
All right, so we were on the smaller pieces, and you said they weighed 160 grams each.
Yeah, the five.
And out of the ten pieces that you sent, eight of the ten had a common denominator of each being six millimeters wide.
So, there were five that were perfectly square.
There were two elliptical that were 6mm by 8mm, and the circle was 6mm in diameter.
So, 6mm seemed to be a constant, at least in some of these dimensions.
Now, on the, we'll call it the very thin blade, it measured exactly 10 inches by 1.5 inches, which the scientists thought was unusual that anything would end up in even inches, which is a terrestrial measurement.
That could be that it was sawed off from something that's unknown.
He thought that was strange that it should measure so exactly.
And the last piece is the approximately 2 3 8 inches by 1 15 16 inches,
not square, almost square.
We'll call it the vent.
It's a small, very, very thin object with very thin slits throughout it.
Now, I'm going to have some other detailed remarks to make about the, we'll call it the blade and the vent.
But first, I want to go to a sentence that is from the second communication that you now have out on the computer.
And this is from the source who says, Grandad stated their own analysis.
He's talking back in, uh, that he came in possession of these in 1974 from his grandfather who got them from the, I guess, the 1947 crash, is what he's alleging.
Grandad stated their own analysis of the samples indicated it as pure extract aluminum as a conductor for the electromagnetic fields created in the propulsion system, unquote.
And we'll stop there for a second.
That sentence It certainly seemed to hold up when they took the electron dispersive spectroscopy to every single one of the ten pieces on several parts of them.
Now what they're doing in the EDS, you bombard with electrons and it knocks out electrons, kind of punches out the electrons.
And those electrons have a very characteristic wavelength.
They put out an X-ray when they fly out and that X-ray has a very characteristic wavelength And then you can tell exactly what the element is.
Well, over and over and over again in every one of these, it was, and this is the phrase that is correct to use, greater than 99% aluminum and could not detect any other element.
Because scientists are reluctant to say that anything is 100% anything.
Because even putting your I do.
Now, what does that mean?
Now, for example, is there much terrestrial production done in pure aluminum, or is it usually for strength and alloy?
Usually, when we're building with aluminum in something, we are adding manganese or other alloys to strengthen and Tomorrow, or Tuesday, this scientist is going to be meeting with a metallurgical professional to discuss exactly these issues of aluminum alloys and 100% alloy, and I hope that next Sunday I can have a further update on that.
But I want to say that there's something else interesting that showed up in the scanning electron microscope, which gets into this question of whether or not there's anything that could be structural It's really not an alloy, but what they found in one of the five little squares were silicon granules.
They were one to two microns, and they seem to be embedded in the surface of the aluminum.
And on this square, there were striations across it, as if the little square had itself been either scratched or abraded by something.
And it raised the speculation, which ranges from, could these pieces have had impact with something that was sandy or dusty?
Or is there a processing mechanism in the manufacturing of these little pieces that somehow brought a silicon polishing dust to them?
We're going to learn a little bit more about that from the metallurgist.
And when you come to the, we'll call it the very thin blade, it was less than a millimeter, just extremely thin and light.
Yes.
Ten inches long and one and a half inches wide.
That's right.
On that, and on what we're calling the little vent, were granules that were different.
These turned out to be 10% manganese, 10% iron, and 80% aluminum.
I'm talking now only in little granules.
It seems to somehow be attached or also embedded.
Now, what they are, or what they mean, or whether they are something that was picked up over time.
The source said that he's had these since 1974, and they were tarnished, and they may have been exposed to other things.
That part's hard to know.
Well, a question still hanging is, even if they are all aluminum on the outside, could there be any structural detail on the inside?
Well, tonight, just before we went on the air, the scientist called me.
He was in the lab.
He had, with your permission, Art, he had cut into one of the little five squares that we talked about.
Yes.
And he said it was pure silver, shiny, appeared to have no other structural details.
And at this point, it appears that that, at least, is just aluminum.
Aluminum, aluminum, aluminum.
And as he said to me, in this universe, where as far as we look, when we look at all of the elements and we look at the stars and the galaxies, we keep seeing the same spectrums of the same elements.
So, if it is aluminum and aluminum and aluminum over and over and over again, what we do not know is function.
We know we have aluminum on this planet, there must be aluminum throughout the universe and other places, But what are the function of these?
And to this date, there is nothing about any of this that, to the scientists, or even some of the people he has worked with, and they have discussed, there is nothing that even indicates any kind of function from these pieces at this point.
In other words, no earthly use they can discern.
Not at this point.
And the other question comes back to this source's strange sentence about Well, aluminum might conduct some electricity, but what would the relationship be specifically to an electromagnetic field?
We're also going to talk with the metallurgists and some other people about that.
The answer is, of course, it's not magnetic.
Aluminum is not magnetic.
So, by next weekend, we may have a little bit more, at least, professional information about some of these questions, but at this point, Art, there is nothing that we can say that would confirm or deny that they are in fact extraterrestrial, other-dimensional, time-traveler, anything.
It's aluminum, aluminum, aluminum, in shapes that appear to have definitely been machined Could they have been machined on the Earth?
I am assuming, definitely in this day and age, they could have been.
1947, could that be a source?
We do not know, and all we've got to go by at this point are this man's two letters.
Alright, and there's some chance that they impacted on something.
Well, it's speculation about the silicon granules in one of the five little squares Uh, it could also be a manufacturing process, and these are the kinds of things that are, uh, very difficult for us, uh, to know, uh, beyond the fact that, uh, we've got these two letters from this man, uh, claiming that these, uh, are artifacts from a crash.
Now, I think it's also important to point out that Jesse Marcel, Jr., who, uh, saw some of this material at his father's, uh, that his father brought home to the kitchen, Uh, in 1947, July, described completely different types of material.
A type of crinkly thing that would regain its shape.
And he said, he told me in that interview that he never personally crinkled them up.
His father told me, told him that.
I see.
He never did it himself, but he said that he did handle the material.
He saw for himself those fuchsia colored symbols in these little three-eighths of an inch wide little beams that We're so light and have been compared in other research to balsa wood looking like sort of a silvery coppery color, but being compared to balsa wood.
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