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April 30, 1996 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Philadelphia Experiment - Marshall Barnes
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It sure is, and we've got Marshall Barnes, a man who has been investigating the Philadelphia experiment for three
years.
He will address Columbus State Community College on this, coming up May 2nd at 2.45 in the afternoon.
We've got him just ahead of that, telling you what he's going to tell them.
And he thinks the experiment did occur, and so if you have questions, we're about to go to the phones here.
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Back to Ohio now, and Marshall Barnes, who's been looking into the Philadelphia experiment for three years solid.
Uh, Marshall, there's facts.
A quick, uh, comment from you, and then I'd like to go to the phones, if we can.
Hi Art, I personally knew Carlos Alene, A-L-E-N-E, who was involved in the Philadelphia Experiment.
He studied with Einstein in preparation for the experiment.
In fact, he showed me photos of him and Einstein together.
His accounts of what happened during the experiment were incredible.
Please ask your guest about Carlos.
I wish I had more time to go into more detail.
Do you know anything about that?
Now, how do you spell the last name of this guy?
A-L-E-M-E.
Hmm.
Yeah, I don't know about him, um, at all.
There's a guy that's awfully suspicious, like Carlos Allendale, the guy who started the whole thing, but that guy never worked with Einstein.
So if this fact that you receive is correct and it's not some kind of goof up with the name, then, you know, I'd love to find out more about this gentleman because I don't know anything about him.
All right, good.
Let's take a couple questions from the audience and see how you feel about those.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hello.
Hello, this is Mike from Detroit.
Hi, Mike.
Uh, I got a question for your guest.
All right.
How does magnetics work in space?
If you know anything about that.
How do magnetics work in space?
Yes.
There's nothing to be told about the experiment.
No, but I was wondering if you knew anything about that.
Well, I would imagine they work just fine.
Did you possibly tap into another planet's magnetic field and travel at the speed?
No, I don't believe that at all. Absolutely not.
In fact, I don't believe in the space warping thing where you generate a gravitational field strong enough to
basically spin space time.
Right.
So that you know, it's kind of the warped sheet of paper effect.
Because what happens to all the other planets and all the other things that are in between points B and C or whatever.
In other words, you're talking about jumping across the bent piece of paper.
Right.
You know, what happens to everything that's in the bin?
It doesn't make any sense.
You know?
Alright.
And I don't buy it.
No one's been able to address that particular fact.
Green cheese and bologna then.
Yeah.
Alright.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hi.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Pasadena, California.
In fact, I'm in the military base that Einstein used to work out of.
Oh, no kidding.
Yes, it's a naval ordinance center on Foothill Boulevard in Pasadena.
And they made rockets and torpedoes here during World War II.
All right.
And rumor over here is that they were making nuclear torpedoes, which they tested in Port Chicago.
Do you know anything about that?
No, the funny thing is that, that I've heard, is that they, um, There was some kind of a nuclear accident that happened in Philadelphia, but that happened after the Philadelphia Experiment supposedly happened.
But the other thing I want to mention is the fact that Einstein, he may have visited the base that you're at, but his real base of operation was Princeton.
That's where he, and he would go from like that area over to Philadelphia.
But he may have also been at where you, where you are too, I don't know.
Well, it's funny you say that, because he used to teach at Caltech, which is right down the street.
Right.
Well, his actual base of operations was Princeton.
He didn't go to Caltech.
I can see him going back and forth, but I do know that his actual base of operations was in Princeton.
There were dire warnings given by Tesla as this experiment continued.
Do you believe that to be true?
I don't know.
I mean, I have no evidence to support it.
My thing is, I've got an open mind, but I want to see some kind of evidence to back up all this stuff.
And that's why I'm a researcher.
I try to dig it up.
All right, fine.
Let me ask you about that.
Before the news, I said, give me, if you can, your best evidence that this experiment did occur.
Well, my best evidence is that it was possible, not that it actually occurred.
I can't prove conclusively that it happened, but I can prove that the opposite of a researcher's lying when they say this stuff is only possible, you know, experiments of this kind are only possible in the realm of science fiction, because I've got all the evidence to back up How you would go about doing the experiment, the only thing we've got to figure out is the exact nature of, you know, the voltages and the current density and all that kind of stuff with electromagnetic fields and everything.
Would you like an opportunity to try and duplicate it?
Sure, absolutely.
That and a few other things, as a matter of fact.
In fact, I know of a couple of people where, you know, after I get a few other things out of the way, we're talking about trying to figure out a way to actually do it for real.
Not on a large scale, like a naval destroyer, but on a small scale, yeah.
Absolutely.
What would you endeavor to prove?
I want to see if we can do it again.
You know, that's what I want to do.
Well, what about the potential biological problems?
Well, I mean, obviously we would take safeguards.
And again, I said, well, I'm not talking about doing something that's on a large scale.
We would do something like, let's see if we can make a pop can, you know, that goes a
bowl that way, as opposed to a whole destroyer or something like that.
But we would obviously take precautions, there's no question about that, particularly because
we know that working with those kinds of electromagnetic fields can be dangerous.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hi.
Hi.
Hey, I'm calling from St.
Paul, Minnesota, KSTP area.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
You previously mentioned Dr. Hawking.
In A Brief History of Time, he talks about no such thing as absolute space.
So then, from that particular premise, we can conclude that if the ship disappears, that it is only relatively disappearing.
That is to say that it is still there.
Yet it is not there, you can't visually see it.
Optic, hence the term optic, as you've been using all night long.
Now, knowing that, all it is creating is an illusion.
Would it still create a depression in the water?
Would it still be visible as an anomaly in the horizon?
Yeah, okay, now, um, the depression in the water, yes, in fact, all the, all the, uh, witness accounts say that you could still see the outline of where the boat was in the water, but you couldn't see the boat.
Um, and in terms of, like, what you were talking about, like, you know, it disappeared, but it was still really there, that's what the optical invisibility thing was about.
The teleportation aspect of it, which has been, some people say it was a mistake, some people say it was done on purpose, that's a whole other part of the story where that's more extreme, where something happened and the ship actually teleported.
In other words, it was no longer in the water at all, and it went to some other location and then it came back
again.
That's another part of the story, but the initial invisibility factor,
yeah, it was still in the water, you could see the depression in the water,
but you couldn't see the boat.
Excellent. All right, thank you very much.
Marshall, what do we know about the eyewitnesses?
What is the best eyewitness testimony regarding Philadelphia?
Well, that's where things get really goofy, so to speak.
And that's what the skeptics like to latch on to.
All the skeptics have done has basically attacked the witnesses and indulged in character assassination.
And basically, my whole thing, though, is that we're talking about a time in history where You didn't have Star Trek, you didn't have Star Wars, you didn't have all the kinds of sci-fi things that we have seen.
How many witnesses are there, Marshall?
Um, I mean, you can tell Carlos Allendale was the main primary witness.
He was only the main one, unless you want to include Al Bielek, you know?
But Carlos Allende was the main one, but William Moore says that there was a few other individuals
like this guy by the name of Silverman who was actually a sailor on the boat.
There was the guy who he gave the pseudonym to of Reinhardt, Dr. Reinhardt, who supposedly
actually was one of the scientists that worked on part of the experiment.
You have all these kind of people, which are impossible to track down or they're already
dead.
For example, Carlos Allende, he died a couple of years ago.
But the thing about it is, Carlos Allende never changed his story.
Carlos Allende never tried to really make any money off his story.
He never did a movie of the week, he never did a book, he never did a lecture tour.
He didn't capitalize on it in any way.
He was a recluse most of the time, and a lot of times he talked about he was afraid of
what the Navy might do to him.
So you've got a guy who's never seen any of the kind of things that we've seen in terms
of optical effects, and yet he describes accurately what kind of visual effects would happen if
trying to do this experiment.
To me, that's incredible.
I mean, what are the odds that if he was a host, that he's going to make this stuff up and accurately describe exactly what would have happened if it would have worked?
I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
No, right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hi.
Hi, how are you doing tonight, Art?
Fine.
Hey, I had the opportunity to talk to Al Belick down here for about 40 minutes at a lecture that he was giving.
Right.
And I know he had, like, he was telling me there was four big generators on that ship.
Mm-hmm.
Anyway, my question is, you do plan on duplicating the experiment.
Now, I wanted to about two years from now, I'll be ready.
And, uh, there is a way to mask the EMF field, in which he says that if you don't mask it, you'll be visited.
Uh... Be visited?
I know what that means.
Well, in other words, there's people out there, there's a branch of the government out there, he says, that look for EMF fields.
Oh, gotcha.
I understand.
Yeah, and, uh, what they do is they'll investigate it, and you need to mask it a little bit.
Well, I'm sure that's probably correct, uh, if you create an EMF field.
Uh, it's going to be detected by satellite, it's going to be detected by all kinds of people who are going to want to come and find out what you're doing.
And not only that, if you do it in the wrong place, it's going to mess up with people's TV, retouch them, and you'll have the FCC asking you.
Then you're really in trouble.
I'm sure that's true.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes, where are you please?
I'm in Albuquerque.
Albuquerque, alright.
Go ahead.
Hello, uh, Marshall.
My name is David.
I want to make a comment and then ask you a question.
I believe, first of all, in UFOs, and I know that's not the subject, but it came up in your discussion about the stealth planes.
But not with respect to UFOs, it did not.
It came up with respect to real research and real aircraft that exist now.
Right, and that's what I'm talking about.
When I was growing up, My father was a test pilot, and he worked on a lot of black projects, which I've only found out in later years.
One time, around 1973, we were on an Air Force base where there are a lot of those kind of projects going on even now, and we were walking at night to the store.
And we saw, uh, bright lights in the sky, uh, a pattern of blue lights and they seemed to hover for a while and then took off instantaneously, uh, out of sight.
And as soon as we got to the store, my father, uh, used the payphone to, uh, place a call to report that sighting.
And I know that if it had been any one of the black projects that were going on at that time, in that area, that that wouldn't have happened.
And that has always made me somewhat of a believer, although I'm skeptical about a lot of the reports.
But anyway... But a believer in what?
I still believe that there are machines piloted by someone from somewhere else.
Well, now, see, that's where you lose me.
Why does it have to be from somewhere else?
It might be, but I would say the odds are better that it's some sort of black project.
And, Marshall, that's what you talked about earlier, that you saw something as well that, in effect, blinked out.
And it would make sense to me that if the Philadelphia Experiment occurred, they wouldn't drop that technology.
There's no way in hell they'd continue the research.
And if you allow that many years of research, I would imagine today we can literally cloak.
Would you imagine that to be true?
Yeah, exactly.
I've heard other stories about it that were in...
A lot of what Al Belick said made sense.
The magnetic fields, the rotating RF fields, all of that made sense to me.
flying vehicle that can change, you know, the way it flies so they can clip itself.
A lot of what Al Belick said made sense. The magnetic fields, the rotating RF fields,
all of that made sense to me. He even talked about what frequency, VHF frequency,
the fields were operating at. Does that make sense?
Yeah.
And even some of the stranger parts of the story make sense because there's all this background information.
If anyone reads the Montauk Project books, particularly the second one, Adventures in Synchronicity, there's all this weird background stuff that's connected to the Montauk Project and the base and the land and all this other kind of stuff.
That, you know, it kind of seems to lead Creen to the idea that there was something going on.
I know that the actual nature of the Montauk Project, that makes total, complete sense.
Where I run into problems, in terms of being able to back anything up about it, is when they start talking about aliens being involved and all that kind of stuff.
Of course, it gives me, you know, I could be able to find any kind of evidence to back that up.
But in terms of the concepts that they were trying to deal with, then I see those concepts popping up all the time, like I mentioned before.
In some of the even more mainstream scientific magazines like Discovery Magazine and Scientific American.
All right.
Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hi.
Hi Art.
I just wanted to say that when I was in boot camp at Fort Knox, Kentucky back in 1976, I seen something that was like a light that ran through the sky in a triangle pattern very fast and come to an abrupt stop.
and it wasn't just a triangle pattern, it moved in different patterns, but mainly a triangle,
and then it shot off, and I was in boot camp, and me and my roommate were watching this, and
I told him we should go down and report that, and he was too afraid to go down there,
the drill sergeants were mean, and anyways, I went down and I reported that, and then needless to say,
they just sent me back to my room, but I am still convinced to this day that it wasn't anything that
flies in our skies. All right, thank you. Well, any technology that we don't understand is as magic
to us, whether it comes from our own government or it comes from elsewhere.
If we don't understand it, it appears to be magic.
If something blinks out or appears to disappear to us, that is as magic, right?
Yeah, I mean, you know, that's the typical response to it, you know.
I'm sure some of the optical cloaking that you talked about earlier, if somebody were to observe it, to them, it would be, as you said, a ghost ship.
Right.
Or magic, it would appear as magic.
Well, actually, I'll tell you a little quick funny story about that.
When we first started messing around with the visibility stuff, when we would see things
it would start to look transparent, but we knew we were there and we knew we were solid.
We actually started to feel like we had a sick feeling in our stomach.
It was strange.
It actually had a physical effect on us.
Disorienting, I'm sure it did.
Yeah, it was weird because it was just weird seeing something that our minds were telling
us this is impossible even though we wanted to believe it, that it would work.
I mean it was just so strange.
Now it doesn't have an effect on me.
Now, if I remember back when we first started doing this back in 94, it was, and we're not
even talking about electromagnetic fields, we're just talking about seeing an optical
Yes, of course.
Being able to treat that, and that was, that was really weird.
I can understand, it would probably disorient you, nauseate you, probably.
It was, it came close to that, exactly.
Alright, wild card line, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes, hello.
Hello, Art.
Yes.
Thanks so much for the program.
Marshall, I wonder, did you listen to Dr. Mitchell?
Are you aware of him?
I don't think so, no.
Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, that I had on the phone.
Oh, okay.
No, I didn't hear him, no.
I couldn't get the show where I'm at, so I didn't hear it.
Well, he was on our show, and it was a magnificent show.
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it, sir, but there's no reference for him since he didn't happen to hear it.
Marshall, hold on.
We'll do another 30 minutes of calls and explanation.
Marshall Barnes, has been looking into the Philadelphia Experiment for three solid years.
He would like to repeat it.
He believes it occurred and is in the business of separating the myth of it from what he considers to be the reality.
He will, as a matter of fact, give an address on this to Columbus State Community College on the 2nd of May.
He will say the U.S.
Office of Naval Research Has been covering all this up for many, many years.
We'll be right back.
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Once again, here I am. My guest is Marshall Clarnes, subject to the Philadelphia Experiment.
Hello, Art.
Hello, Art.
Please ask Marshall the following question.
There was a supposedly prominent investigator in the Philadelphia experiment, maybe five or ten years after the experiment, who arranged an appointment with a reporter to release evidence regarding it.
When the reporter arrived, he found the investigator dead for no apparent reason.
No evidence around.
Did Marshall ever come across this incident or hear about it?
Um, no.
I'll bet.
It sounds... There's a... The original researcher for Antidotal Death Experiment was a gentleman by the name of M.K.
Jessup.
And Jessup was actually contacted by the Office of Naval Research, the two officers that worked
with them that got the Office of Naval Research connection going in the first place.
And they were asking him about this copy of his book that he received that had these crazy
annotations in it.
And it was Jessup who realized that it came from Carlos Allende, who was the same guy
who was talking about the boat disappearance.
So I don't know if the fact that you've got was in reference to that, but that's the only
thing I know about a gentleman who ended up dying.
Because he did die of an apparent suicide, M.K.
Jessup did, although some people believe he was murdered.
Alright.
But that's about all I know about that.
All right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hello.
Yes, I guess I take exception to the fact that perhaps that ship moved from the space where it was at.
Because if it did, how could it end up back in the same space as when your previous callers identified?
The fact is that there is no absolute space in the universe.
It's the same way if you're playing ping pong on a train.
Uh, the ball bounces back and forth on the table.
If you're standing off to the side of the train, the ping pong ball is going to move 40 feet in a matter of seconds or so if you were able to look at it.
Now, how would one do the math to come back to the very same virtual space that one occupied previously if you have changed from that space?
If you ask me something like that to occur as a result of an EMF rotating whatever you
described it, however you described it, how could you get back into the same place?
Well, I mean if you want to be picky about it, I mean I didn't sit in the exact same
spot.
You know, and there's been some discussion, for example, there's a guy from Australia,
not San Deo, but I can't remember the guy's name off the top of my head, but he's had
a, he's talked about that, how you could calculate certain things having to do with the Earth
and all this kind of stuff.
There's a certain kind of geometry that he talked about that would have been involved that would enable something like that to take place.
So it wouldn't necessarily be the precise same space?
Well, I mean, let's not call it what it is.
You know, we're not talking, when you say, like, this precise being in space, I mean, what we're talking about is, like, you know, a certain spot in the water, okay?
I mean, when you start talking about space and stuff like that, it sounds like it's something larger than what it really is.
What we're talking about is going from one location to another location and back to the other location again.
Alright, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hello.
Yeah, this is Robert from Missouri.
Yes, Robert.
Let me turn down my... Turn it off.
Yeah, there we go.
I'm with Army Intelligence currently.
I was involved in the SR-71 program back in the 70s.
And I got to review a lot of the material on the Philadelphia Experiment when it was declassified.
When was it declassified?
When was it declassified?
In the 70s.
In the Library of Congress right now.
That's what I know.
At least that's what I was told when I reviewed the material, that that's where it was going.
But I saw a lot of the photographs, reports, let's see, all the medical information on the survivors of the experiment, and it was pretty interesting reading.
One of the things that they mentioned in there that was created by this electromagnetic field that they generated, excuse me, was that the atomic frequency was changed in the ship and the personnel on the ship and that when they started to shut everything down, when they kind of phased back in or whatever you want to call it, That's what, when, you know, some of the crew members actually meshed with the metal of the ship.
Now that makes sense.
Right.
That makes sense.
Now, let's get back to this declassification stuff.
You were told that it's declassified in the Library of Congress somewhere?
Yeah, that's what he was told.
Under what title?
He's not here now.
I want to ask you.
Oh, he's gone.
Yeah, he's gone.
I want to ask you.
You've obviously pursued, as far as you can, trying to get whatever official writings there are on this.
What do you meet with?
Do you meet with a dead silence, blacked out papers, no response at all?
I didn't go to the government at all, period.
What I did was exactly the opposite.
What I did was, I tried to find out the scientific side of it.
Did it scientifically make any kind of sense?
I checked Naval history and like, you know, whether the ship existed and all that kind of stuff.
But I never try to go to the government itself because of the simple fact that, hey, I can't believe anything they tell me because they're going to lie about it.
I mean, that's why I laugh at Stanton Freeman and people like that that send in these Freedom of Information Act requests.
So they get back these papers, right?
And they have all these major sections blacked out.
But there is no guarantee that even the stuff that isn't blacked out is real.
I absolutely agree with that.
I really do.
How are you going to know?
I've always thought, freedom of information act or not, if it's really secret, you're not going to get anything back on it.
Period.
Exactly.
That's why, for example, I'll check Naval Records.
For example, there was a guy that was shot in the leg supposedly on behalf of this witness.
And I'm not going to go into all the detail about it, but I checked out that guy's whole story.
And when I checked out his story, I was looking at naval records that were published that were already in libraries that weren't, you know, in other words, they were already released and there was a situation where the government could fudge something after the fact, in a sense.
Yes.
And so those are the kind of things I looked at, like the stuff where I found the photographs of, like, you know, the German battleships and all that kind of stuff.
You know, those are the kind of things I looked at in terms of records and histories and whatnot.
Yeah, I think your investigative approach is a different one, and that's why I find it interesting.
You came at this in a whole different way.
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You're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hello.
Yeah, Arch, it's Brian from Chihuahua.
Hi, Brian.
I was in the Navy for some time and I had a lot of friends that were in the intelligence
community in the Navy and spent a lot of time on aircraft carriers.
I had a lot of them tell me that there was ways of pumping RF through the ship.
I don't know.
They had a maze of tubes that were kind of square, gray tubes they had on the ship that
they said could actually change the configuration of the ship as it would appear on radar.
Not, you know, we didn't disappear or anything like that, of course.
But they said that they had ways that they could pump RF through the ship to where it would change the configuration where it would end up looking like four or five different boats or it would look like a trawler or a cargo ship.
When was this?
This was 81 through 85.
That is an outgrowth of what allegedly they were trying to do at the Philadelphia Experiment Center, the radar stuff.
Because they were going for both optical and radar invisibility.
Because radar was big in World War II.
I mean, that's when a lot of the developments in radar really started to take off.
And we ended up with some of the best radar stuff because we had the British help us out.
And they're the ones that made the most advances on radar, at least initially.
The German joined the game too, but the British beat them out.
I mean, they were just better at it.
But what you're describing is an outgrowth of what the Philadelphia Experiment was trying to be, at one part of it at least.
Right, and then they'd do optical stuff too, like they had a couple cranes they kept on the boats.
they'd move out in the middle of the deck so if it's optically it appeared as though
it had cranes on the deck like a cargo ship or something like that from an optical point
of view.
Right and then Germans used to do similar kind of things where they would take, they
actually had phony smoke stacks that they would burn oil in so that it would make it
like a destroyer and look like it was some other kind of a ship.
Right.
So oh yeah, I mean the whole camouflage and like you know fooling people.
That's exactly right.
I mean, I think you lay out a very good case that they had proprietary interest in taking this as far as they could take it.
with the next logical step. They'd already done everything else you can think of.
Alright, I appreciate that. That's exactly right. I mean, I think you lay out a very
good case that they had proprietary interest in taking this as far as they could take it.
And if they didn't take it this far, then they were being neglectful.
That's something's wrong.
So they had to have, so I agree with you.
I'm sure they're lying about it.
But here's the other thing about it, Art.
Guess what?
Okay, the next phase in World War II was, you know, we're going to be fighting the Japanese in the Pacific, right?
Mm-hmm.
Now, the Japanese didn't have radar.
The only thing they had was optical stuff.
So if we could make those ships invisible, they couldn't hit us at all.
They wouldn't even have to worry about radar.
I mean, that would have taken out the opportunity of kamikazes and the whole nine yards.
In fact, I got that from Lieutenant Commander Rain, who's a public affairs officer for the Navy.
The guy who doesn't believe in the show-off experiment, but basically backed up everything I was thinking because he told me histories that made sense of what I figured what was going on.
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Back now to my guest, Marshall Barnes.
Marshall, guess who I've got on the line?
I've got the fellow who sent the fax.
You're in Colorado, is that correct?
That's correct.
Alright, and you actually had a typo in your fax.
Yes.
And it was not Aline, as is in here, but rather was... Alende.
Alende.
Right, so you say you have a picture of Allende with Albert Einstein?
I don't actually have the picture, no.
I knew Carlos and he showed me the pictures years ago.
And he had studied with Einstein for a period of time before the experiment.
Uh-huh.
What did he tell you about the experiment?
Oh gosh, a lot of things.
Like what?
Well, for one thing, some of the people that were involved actually We're missing arms and legs and stuff like that afterwards.
He said they were actually there, yes, but they were invisible.
The people that were on the ship, he was on the adjacent ship.
He actually stuck his arm into the force field that surrounded the ship that was involved.
I mean, there's just real incredible stuff.
And about some of the people meshing with the metal of the ship, you know, he confirmed that too.
And that a lot of the people that were involved kind of disappeared or were institutionalized or whatever.
Kind of never to be seen or heard from again.
Alright, a lot of that should be traceable in records.
In other words, people rarely disappear and if they do, usually family members and other people try to find them and there's a big stink.
Shouldn't there have been a lot of that, Marshall?
Yeah, the main thing I'm going to have to try to do is see what records I can find.
Because the problem with records like that, or particularly for top secret projects, is
they can be destroyed.
They can be lost.
I mean, look what happened with Roswell, for example.
Also, it looks like the crew that might have been involved with the experiment was a skeleton
crew, which means they weren't really assigned to the boat.
They weren't on the boat when it was commissioned.
So that's going to be really, you know, nearly impossible to try to track down, although
I do plan on trying to do that.
Well, I think that the course of investigation you've taken is a good one.
It's approached it from a different angle, as you say.
Instead of trying to go after the government, get them to admit what they're not going to admit, take a different tack.
And I think that's a good idea.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hi.
Hi, this is Jack in Charleston, South Carolina.
Yes, Jack.
I was wondering what became of the ship the Eldridge after World War II?
The Greeks renamed it the Lyon.
Really?
Yeah, and I thought it was in the Greek Navy or Merchant Marine or something like that.
That's fascinating.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hello, Art.
How are you?
Fine.
and the Greeks still have it, although...
I just heard a rumor that now the U.S. has got it back or something, I'm not sure.
But yeah, the boat still exists.
Ooh, that's fascinating.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Marshall Barnes.
Hello Art, how are you?
Fine.
Yes, Marshall, I have two quick questions for you and a comment.
Number one, what magnetic resonance field do you use?
Well, okay now, I'm working with that kind of material.
I was only testing what effects refraction would have on light and whether or not the refracted light would cause optical mirages like we would describe in an experiment, and it does.
I have done that, but I didn't deal with electromagnetic field or anything.
Okay.
We found through research that by generating a Electromagnetic field strong enough and what we call a hiker wave.
Hiker?
A hiker wave.
Okay.
And that's just a little name that some researchers have given it.
Okay.
By turning the wave into itself.
Right, okay, yeah.
Are you familiar with that?
Yeah, I've heard about that.
Okay.
By turning the wave into itself, you create what is called a miniature implosion.
Not an explosion, an implosion.
Right.
Which creates the field.
Okay.
Now, The only thing I have a question of is we have not been successful in operating it because the EMF emissions are just horrible.
Yeah, exactly.
Excuse me.
Excuse me for a second.
Who is we?
Just an agency that I work for.
And we cannot... The reason the ship had four generators, number one, You have to create a large enough field in order to turn the wave into itself.
Okay.
Okay?
Uh-huh.
Now, the, uh, another question I have, too, is... Wait a minute.
Before you ask a question, I've got one.
What do you mean by turning a wave in on itself?
And technically, how do you accomplish that?
It's very simple.
Every form of electrical magnetic or any electrical source is polarized, correct?
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Okay.
You simply depolarize it, and you just basically turn it inside out.
Well, 60 cycle current is not polarized.
Well, this is not the field that they're using, though.
Okay.
When you're talking electromagnetics, you have to create a large enough charge.
Now, in the Philadelphia experiment years ago, This is basically what they were attempting to pull off.
Alright, Marshall, did that make sense to you?
Yeah, yeah, he's in the right ballpark.
Yeah, I'm with him.
All right.
Because what they had was at least three fields, okay, that were rotating, and they were feeding into each other.
That's right.
Electromagnetic fields feeding into each other, and they were rotating at different angles, okay?
And that's what we just imparted the story in.
That's right, and that's what we call turning it into itself.
Right.
We turn the wave into itself.
All right, now I understand.
I couldn't... Which... Which art creates an implosion?
Okay.
No, you're not trying to cloak the EMF anyway.
generate the field. However, you can't cloak the EMF. There's no way.
Oh, no, you're not trying to cloak the EMF anyway. In fact, EMF is supposed to be,
it's causing this disruption of the air and the water molecules in the area, and the salt water
is feeding all this material into the field, which adds to the mirage, basically, it's a lint.
You're creating a weird lens around the boat that's going to give you that kind of right, the right kind of refraction of light to cause the invisibility effect.
I mean, putting it in salt water is just like, I mean, it's perfect because the fuel, the
feed into the effect that you want is right all around the boat.
Sure.
The conductivity of salt water is well understood.
Right.
So, all in all, you're convinced all of this is real and you're going to lay out all this
evidence at Columbus State Community College.
Yeah, not only that, I even have a documentary I have to do.
It's called The Quantum Conspiracy from the Philadelphia Experiment.
It's a videotape.
It's got a video footage of our experiments of light on it.
It goes into the background of the Montauk Project and all this other stuff that's associated with it.
And what it all means for what's going on right now and what's going to happen in the future.
And I've also got a book that I'm finishing up now.
Which should be, uh, I've got a couple publishers interested in it.
We haven't locked the deal down on that yet, but it will be also coming out as an audiobook.
And it's called The Case for the Philadelphia Experiment.
Well, do you expect a big crowd for your address?
Probably, because it's a colloquium, and it's going to be a lot of scientists there.
In fact, the professor who made the arrangements for me to do it, which, by the way, I presented my hypothesis to him, and that's why it's happening.
I see.
He said, expect a lot of harsh criticism about this and that, and this and that.
I said, well, I don't have any problem with it, because my whole point is that what we're
discussing, according to the Office of Naval Research, is impossible, and it's not impossible.
And that's why I've got all this evidence.
The only thing I don't have are the actual, like, you know, the equations about the strength
of the field at this angle and all that kind of stuff.
So you're going to actually demonstrate, at least to some degree, optically, that it is
indeed possible.
Oh yeah, they're going to see it.
They're going to see it.
And it's weird.
You've never seen anything like it before, and you see it happen.
In fact, we leaked out some of this information on the internet back in 1994, and most of the people on the internet didn't believe it.
They thought it had to be some kind of trick to it, although they didn't see it for themselves.
We just leaked out the information that was going on.
But when you see it for real, it's like, whoa.
I can believe it.
Marshall, it has been a pleasure having you on, and I know your East Coast time, that means it's 4 o'clock in the morning.
And I've got you a couple of days ahead of this, so we now know pretty much what they're going to know after they listen to you, is that correct?
That's correct.
Except they're going to have the visual aids.
Exactly.
Marshall, it has been a pleasure.
I thank you.
I'm in a continuing quest, so stay in touch.
I will.
I'm absolutely fascinated by the whole Philadelphia experiment.
All right.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, my friend.
Good night.
All right.
That's Marshall Barnes on a quest, believes the Philadelphia experiment absolutely occurred.
And I like his The line of research.
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