Art Bell

March 6, 1996 - Art Bell

02:19:25

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Art Bell’s Truth or Trash episode kicks off with sheep cloning in Scotland, human rights debates, and a caller’s claim of a UFO sighting near Reno confirmed by radar. Callers speculate on FEMA’s cabinet status, alien perceptions of slaughterhouses, and Bill Clinton’s alleged birth name, while Dave from Utah reveals a childhood discovery of human bones mislabeled as dog bones. Later, Frank Whalen’s 1952 Okinawan cave find—miniature temples with bones—and his 1964 nuclear missile stumble on Guam spark skepticism despite Bell’s personal validation. Navy observer Doug’s story of halting a harpoon launch due to a drunk officer is dismissed as trash, but the episode underscores how fringe claims often blur fact and fiction in Bell’s unconventional worldview. [Automatically generated summary]
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02:41

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00:25

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Speaker	Time	Text
Obvious Question: Cloning Souls? 00:02:20
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast of Coast AM from March 6th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Well, anyway, let me develop this a little further.
		First of all, this is the truth.
		They have cloned sheep, exact duplicates now in Scotland.
		If that can be done for sheep, it can absolutely be done for human beings.
		The process of separation, a genetic separation, and then implantation is exactly the same.
		So, after you ask, should it be done?
		That's the obvious question.
		Should things or animals or people, not things, but animals or people, be cloned?
		That's the obvious question.
		But a deeper question is, would a clone, say of you or of me, be in itself a separate soul, an actual soul, or would it be a simple shadow of the original soul without attributes otherwise human,
		without rights given to any other human?
		Would a clone be, as we understand it, a human being, or simply a mere shadow imitation of the original?
		How would you treat that?
		Would you give clones human rights?
		Could you clone something so that you had available body spare parts?
		Well, you could, but should you?
		Lots and lots of good questions attendant with this.
		Now I'm going to admit something that has me psychologically crushed.
		All right?
		I fancy myself as getting fairly literate in the computer world.
Plugging In: Parallel Connections 00:03:14
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I am not.
		I took a very nice laptop computer that I have, and I brought it from room A to room B.
		So as I might hook up, now this is going to get a little deep.
		The computer users will appreciate it.
		The others, perhaps not.
		I've got a program called Laplink, and that allows the transmission of data from one computer to another very rapidly.
		It's a very efficient way of doing it.
		And in order to use this Laplink program, you simply plug in a parallel cable from one computer to the other computer.
		Easy, right?
		Should be.
		On computers, even those of you that don't know, on the back of computers, there are various plugs for a mouse and parallel connectors and serial connectors and modem connectors.
		But you see, they very conveniently and logically make them all a different size so that you cannot plug something into a plug it should not go into.
unidentified		You know, dummy proof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only problem is I own a scanner.
		And for some god-forsaken reason, the company that made this scanner put in a precise parallel connector, you know, just the same as the one that goes to your printer, for example.
		To further complicate matters, they power the scanner from the card, which means there is power on the parallel connector.
		Beginning to get the idea now.
		So I came in here, I have come to realize, and plugged my portable computer directly into my scanner card, applying God knows how many volts directly into the parallel port, probably frying the card.
		I thought I fried the disk drive, so I thought you cannot break the broken.
		So I did something I never should have done.
		I took my 540-meg teeny weeny disk drive apart, thinking that I might, you know, stumble into a fix.
		Well, I thought the computer had just fried itself.
		This morning, I happened to look over and notice my scanner wasn't working, and I looked at the port, and I just put my head in my hands, realizing that I had done one of the dumbest things I'd ever done in my whole life.
		Given the fact that they were idiots to make it an exact parallel port, I was an idiot not to look first.
		So I just sort of, you know, I put my head in my hands and I went, God punish me.
Open Line, Unscreened Talk Radio 00:02:53
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One of those days, folks.
		So anyway, there's lots of good stuff to talk about.
		And actually, I'm fairly well tempted.
		I've got a letter here from an immigrant I want to read you.
		It's a long letter, but God, it's good.
		And I've got an item sent to me, and I think I may do truth or trash here at the top of the hour.
		If you've never played that, you're in for a lot of fun.
		I may do it.
		Depends on my mood.
		We'll see how it goes here.
		Here are the numbers.
		Let us begin open line, unscreened, strange talk radio.
		That's what we do here.
		First-time callers to the program who are willing to venture forth.
		Area code 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		The wildcard lines are Area Code 702-727-1295.
		702-727-1295.
		West of the Rockies and toll-free it is at 1-800-618-8255.
		If you're east of the Rockies, way back there, the number is 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		So that's the name of that tune, and here we go to the first-time caller line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Is this Artville?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Well, I am surprised I got through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, everybody says that.
unidentified		Several nights ago, a man called in and said he had called Logan about the satellite and that they kept putting him on from one person to another person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		It was a fax, ma'am.
		It wasn't a call.
		It was a fax.
		And I read it on the air, and he had tried about four times.
		I kept hanging up on him.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, the next day, I happened to be in Logan, and in the Herald Journal paper, on the first page, it says Energy Flash Broke Satellite Tether.
		And there's a whole article on what they feel like happened.
		And I thought it was quite interesting that it was the very next day after your program that it came on with this article.
Giant Brake Light Sighting 00:10:03
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's two sides to this.
		Now, I've seen the break, and I didn't see any charred pieces of tether.
		As a matter of fact, I've got to say, what I saw of the broken tether looked like a stress break to me.
		But they're saying that it was a charge.
		Is that right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I take it you're calling from Utah.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, look, I appreciate it.
		But I've seen the pictures of the broken tether, and they don't have any, you know, if it was a charge that did that, an overload, then it should have been burned.
		It should have looked burned, I think.
		Now, I can't tell you what the dynamics of that in space would be, and I'm not, perhaps that would change the dynamics of what an overload brake would do.
		I don't know.
		I'm not a rocket scientist.
unidentified		To the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Did you hear that in Mexico City that a new volcano is erupting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		As a matter of fact, I have that right here.
		A giant volcano near Mexico City startled, began to belch gas and ash into the air early Tuesday, triggering an alert but causing no damage.
		Television pictures showed gray clouds of ash and sulfur rising from the center of the volcano, located 20 miles, 25 miles east of the Mexican capital.
unidentified		Yeah, it just seems like the entire ring of fire is living up to its name, ring of fire.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, and I'm here in Marysville, California, and according to Gordon Michael Scallion's map, that put us in need of a boat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, remember those concrete boats people used to build in their front lawns?
unidentified		No, I'm not that old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Get off my.
		All right, thank you.
		Yeah, they used to build concrete boats, figuring there's going to be a great flood or taking them out.
		And I've always wondered, I saw them when I was a child, and people, it was a fad, I guess.
		Do they float?
		I never really heard of anybody trying one.
		Generally, people would build them, and they would stay on their front lawns, annoying their neighbors.
		Just sit there, this gigantic concrete boat.
		Well, maybe they'll be the ones laughing when the rest of us are swimming for our lives, huh?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Jerry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gary, G.A.R. Oh, Gary, okay, I'm sorry.
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		We had a UFO sighting here in Reno tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tonight?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what did we see?
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		It was described as a giant red brake light in the skies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A giant brake light?
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a big round, giant brake light appearing object in the sky.
unidentified		It moved at a lower altitude.
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		It went straight across from the west to the east and then vanished into the clouds.
unidentified		A friend of mine called the Reno Airport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody saw a Chevy logo or anything.
unidentified		No, no Chevy.
unidentified		Maybe four.
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		A friend of mine called the Reno airport and the airports told him they they don't know what it was, but they think it may have been a helicopter with a infrared surveillance.
		The people that observed it said that they it definitely was not a helicopter.
		It made no sound whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they get a radar return on it?
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it showed up on their radar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, well.
		They are the airport, sir, and they're supposed to be in control of and knowing where aircraft are within their sphere of influence.
		So if they saw it on radar, they should know what it was.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it was a helicopter?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of answer is that?
unidentified		Yeah, right.
unidentified		That's exactly what we figured.
john c mankins ▲ ● ▼		That's the classic excuse.
		The people that observed it said it was definitely not a helicopter.
		It flew right over where I was standing talking to someone else when someone ran up and told me about it, and we heard nothing, no vibration, no noise, nothing at all.
		So that was a real quiet helicopter, Art, if it was one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe we do have those.
		Either that or it was just a giant brake light UFO.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		And I'm sure we'll hear from others in Reno who may have seen that.
		Well, like a giant brake light.
		You can imagine that, can't you?
		You can sort of draw a mental picture of a giant brake light hovering in the air.
		Maybe somehow it was a reflection of the brake light.
		A real brake light.
		No, not if it was on radar.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yes.
unidentified		Hey, hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
		Believe it, and turn off your radio.
		Turn that off.
unidentified		Holy Toledo.
unidentified		I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why does everybody say that?
		I mean, I say you're on the air.
		You're really on the air, really?
unidentified		Yes, Art.
		Okay, Peru, Nevada.
		This is Wayne from San Jose, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Wayne.
unidentified		Okay.
		I know how far our voices can go and will go.
		I do believe Buchanan does have the right idea, but I don't think he's going to make it.
		I'm very hopeful for the condition of what he's going for, but there is so much holding him back, like a little bit of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how about like losing all the primaries?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that holds him back.
unidentified		Losing a lot of primaries.
		Okay, I can't believe you sound different on the telephone than you do in the air.
		Really?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody ever says that.
unidentified		I guess everybody does.
		Okay.
		Well, I'm not going to waste your time.
		Craig Piaste.
		We're talking about a lot of airtime.
		I do like your show.
		I've been listening to you for about a year and a half, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's quite a while.
unidentified		Quite a while.
		I can't believe I can connect finally.
		But I do reclaim about Area 51.
		It's supposed to be a mystery, and it's supposed to maintain a mystery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jeff in maryland ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that hardly bears more discussion.
		Area 51 is a secret area, sir.
		So, of course, they're going to keep it secret.
		Naturally, they are.
		It's where we're developing the highest-tech, newest aircraft.
		Two or three jumps in technology from what we believe exists, stealth and beyond.
		Two and three jumps beyond that.
		So, of course, it's secret.
		Of course, they're going to keep it secret.
		The whole reason it's there.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art, can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm listening to, I guess, uh the Native American Indian station K-How.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Native Native American Indian?
unidentified		K-How.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Denver?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is it Native American?
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
		Oh, I see.
		Let's see.
		What are the chances of you getting Neil Young on Dreamland?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Neil Young?
unidentified		Yeah, he came out with an album in 69 called I think it was After the Gold Rush.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would that qualify him to be?
unidentified		Well, because the song is the same song After the Gold Rush on the album talks about silver spaceships.
		Yeah.
		All in a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay, anyway.
unidentified		I'm looking forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm pressing two for two.
unidentified		Okay, all right.
		I'm looking forward to the 15th for the Richard Hoagland?
		Yeah.
		Is that going to be on CNN?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		CNN.
unidentified		Yeah, the press club.
unidentified		Is that going to be a press club thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, sir.
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the 15th is when he's coming on my program.
unidentified		He said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I haven't heard from him in a couple of days, so I don't know.
unidentified		But that's going to be big.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll be ahead of the news conference that he's got planned.
unidentified		Is that going to be on the press club?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, I don't know where it's going to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a big, big whoop-de-doo news conference at which he is going to, he says, expose some incredible truths about NASA.
unidentified		Okay, one last thing.
		I'd really appreciate hearing from Miss Sunny, California.
		Who's that?
		Your ten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she was on two or three nights ago, as a matter of fact.
Cloning and Morality 00:02:45
unidentified		She lights up my light.
unidentified		My life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Well, it sounds like your life could use some light, sir.
		So we'll encourage her to call in quickly before your lights go out.
		They have cloned sheep in Scotland.
		Exact, precise duplicates.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hold on a sec.
		Let me turn down my radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, by all means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do that right away, sir.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I'm from Twin Cities in Minnesota, where KSTP Radio.
		You bet.
		Huh?
		The big one.
		The big one, that's right.
		I just wanted to call you and say something about this cloning business.
		I'm totally against it.
		I believe that every individual has their own right to exist in their own body, not to be cloned.
		If people clone, I mean, it'd be like creating a world full of slaves almost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they could be slaves.
		Now, it depends on what you think they are.
		Now, you're against the idea, but let's talk about what you think they are.
		If there was an exact duplicate made of you, what would that be?
		Would that be a human being with all the rights and with the soul of an individual?
		Or would that be some cheap imitation of you without a soul and any right to even exist?
unidentified		I consider it without a soul.
unidentified		I mean, I know this sounds weird, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's all right.
		I understand a lot of people are going to feel that way.
		So then, it could be a slave, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, well, you ever see a, I know I really don't want to bring this up, but you ever see a Star Trek, like you ever watch The Next Generation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen them all.
unidentified		Did you ever see the episode where they had the cloning episode?
		Yes.
		It'd be something like that.
		It'd be like almost a violation of my, I would think of it as a violation of my own body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but suppose you had choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll use that word, choice.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you decided you wanted to be cloned, and you used that clone as a slave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be okay?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I think it'd be more morally unjust, if anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morally unjust.
		Well, why?
		Because if the clone doesn't have a soul, then what the hell?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		I kind of look at it, you know, as morally unjust because, you know, even though I would consider the clone not to have a coat, you still look at it as a creature.
Talking About 1996 00:03:22
unidentified		A creature.
unidentified		Oh, a creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, a creature.
		All right, a creature.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 6th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about a number of things.
		Not too much about politics because it's one of those nights for me, and I've kind of hung it up to here with politics.
		Kemp, as you must know today, that's, I guess, the big news of the day.
		Endorsed Forbes against the best advice of Newt Gingrich, who said if he did, he'd be finished in the party.
		Buchanan said, we're going to continue fighting until hell freeze is over, and then we're going to fight on the ice.
		So it sounds like he's staying in.
		But even he admits Bob Dole is the inevitable nominee.
		So, you know, I don't know what to say about that, except it's not too interesting.
		We'll see what happens in New York, but even that is not too interesting.
		There's going to be an opportunity to see the runaway satellite in the morning for about the bottom or south third of the U.S.
		A line stretching.
		I'll draw the line for you.
		And if you're north of this line, this imaginary line I'm going to draw for you, you're not going to see it.
		If you're south, you've got a pretty good shot.
		Beginning, I would say, in San Francisco, dipping down to below, above Las Vegas, north of Albuquerque, just north of Oklahoma City, then starting up again to Memphis and curving up toward Norfolk, Virginia.
		If you're south of that line, you've got a pretty good shot.
		Dallas, for example, at about 5:31 this morning here in Las Vegas, about 5.04 in the morning, 5.04 if you're going to be up.
		And I'll kind of pick some different areas and give you an idea.
		And you can probably or should be able to adjust your viewing from that.
		Yuma, Arizona, 5:45 a.m. on the 7th.
		And I'll look for some more of them here.
		I believe I've got Los Angeles somewhere.
		But you get the idea.
		As well, the shuttle is due to return just after about 4 a.m. Pacific time.
Arrest For Cloning 00:04:59
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that may make for quite a sight if they're going to Florida.
		And I wish somebody would tell me.
		I'm not sure whether they're going to land.
		I would presume at that time it would be in Florida.
		If so, it's quite a sight to see that shuttle coming in, quite a sight.
		And it's very clear here, so we'd get a very good look at it.
		Now, believe it or not, we've been talking about cloning.
		They have cloned sheep in Scotland.
		Scientists just announced they have cloned sheep.
		It was on CNN last night.
		Now, cloning means you're producing a precise duplicate, an exact duplicate.
		Not close, not a twin, an exact duplicate with the same DNA, a clone.
		And there are lots of questions.
		You know, if they can do it with sheep, then they can do it with us.
		The process is the same.
		That means we now have the ability to clone human beings.
		They just sort of dropped that in.
		They said, we know it sounds like science fiction, but here it is.
		It has been done.
		Now, I've had a few facts on the subject.
		Dear Art, speaking of cloning, a little humor, and we can use some of that.
		There was a scientist who had finally perfected the art of cloning.
		And being a person who was a loner and very much absorbed in his work, he decided to make a clone of himself to handle all the mundane tasks.
		Well, it worked well.
		He no longer had to go out and get the groceries, modal on, and all the other little things that took him away from his work in the lab.
		Unfortunately, the clone developed a very bad habit.
		He learned to swear and was constantly doing it all over town.
		Of course, everyone thought it really was the scientist, and he was getting a very bad reputation.
		He'd spoken to the clone about it numerous times, but to no avail.
		One night, they got into a very serious argument, and it ended up in a fistfight.
		He punched the clone very hard, and the clone fell down the stairs and was killed.
		Just then, the cops broke down the door and arrested him.
		Of course, naturally, he protested, told the cops that they can't arrest him for murder, since it wasn't really a person.
		It was just a clone that he had created in the lab.
		Whereupon the cops told him, we're not arresting you for murder.
		You're under arrest for making an obscene clone fall.
		Did you get that?
		You're under arrest for making an obscene clone fall.
		Hey, Art, it's good to hear that the long-awaited technology of cloning is finally here.
		I can imagine the useful applications.
		We can clone the best soldier in each branch of the armed services and have the world's greatest army.
		Of course, so could everyone else, but we'd deal with that later.
		Or, if someone in your family is a black sheep, you could have them cloned and start all over again, this time raising or treating them differently.
		The question of nature us, nurture could finally be answered.
		The most important application, of course, would be to clone yourself.
		Imagine being able to send yourself out for pizza while you stay home and watch the big game.
		I strongly feel that any ethical questions would be outweighed by these positive uses, Bill, in Seattle.
		And so it goes.
		I've got many, many more.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I have a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm calling from Phoenix.
unidentified		The times that you were giving reference to the satellite?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Were those specific standards?
		Yes.
		Okay, so assuming Arizona is an hour ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Around what time for Phoenix?
unidentified		Do you have any?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoenix, Oh, here it is.
unidentified		Wednesday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		March 7th at 6.03 a.m. is what it says.
unidentified		6.03?
		Mm-hmm.
		Pacific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so that'd be 5.03, I guess, right?
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'd be 5.03 for you.
unidentified		If it's 6.03 Pacific, it would be 703, right?
The Macintosh Dilemma 00:04:25
art bell ▲ ● ▼		7.03.
unidentified		Yeah, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it there now?
unidentified		Oh, 13 past 1.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, you're right.
		It's going to be light by then.
		That may ruin it.
unidentified		Oh, you got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or not.
		I don't know.
		Take a look.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Take a look.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is a Mac Zealot, and I'm James and Baton Rouge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I just called to give you a hard time about your computer.
		Oh.
		I want to know how come someone is as computer literate and technically savvy as you and loves electronics doesn't have a Macintosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's your question.
		Well, I'm going to tell you what I told an audience here a few weeks ago about this whole Macintosh IBM thing.
		The Macintosh, its users will say, has a far superior operating system, was a much faster computer first, and has superior graphics.
		Am I about right?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, I think of the Macintosh the way I think of the beta recorder.
		The beta recorder arguably had a far superior picture to VHS.
		However, VHS early on, and now, of course, it has a very good picture now, but early on it didn't.
		But VHS out-marketed beta, and it became the standard.
		And that's kind of what's happening right now between IBM and Mac.
		Mac may have been a superior system, but IBM and their clones clearly, I believe, outmarketed them.
unidentified		Well, certainly no doubt about that.
unidentified		But there are tens of thousands of applications available for the Mac.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's tens of thousands of movies available for beta, too, but they don't make the machine anymore, if you follow me.
unidentified		Although now, Apple is making record numbers of computers.
unidentified		They're up in their jump around to think one, two, and three along with IBM and Company.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, there were a lot of people, Sonya and Sony, making record numbers of beta machines now, and they're pretty much in junk heaps.
unidentified		Even aside from that, someone who loves electronics as much as you and loves to fill it with things should have one.
		I think you must be on the cutting edge.
		All of the Internet nerds have Macintoshes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then I'm not an Internet nerd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got an IBM, and I like it.
unidentified		But why do you like it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I like it because now, of course, they're coming out with 200 megahertz machines.
		The operating systems have changed.
		And there is just a tremendous pool of software available.
		I just like my machine.
unidentified		Well, those 200 megahertz machines will choke on that 16-bit code in Windows 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's 32-bits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, everything's going to 32-bit.
unidentified		Windows 95.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, look, I don't want to get into a nerd argument here on the air.
		You know, we'll get too deep and we'll lose a lot of people.
		Let's just suffice to say, enjoy your beta while you can still get movies to play in it, sir, and have a good night.
		That's going to bring a lot of nasty faxes to me.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hmm, reasonably well.
unidentified		This is about cloning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Wait, wait, wait, wait.
		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Goodbye.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		How to do art?
		I do fairly well.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, two things.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		One on the clones, one on the thing you were talking about earlier on the right to choose to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Okay, on the clone thing.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		Everybody seems to think that you're going to start off with an instantaneous duplicate.
unidentified		It doesn't work that way.
Terminating Life: Moral Considerations 00:03:55
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a clone's going to start with a zygote that turns into a baby that has grown, then has to grow up.
unidentified		Yes.
		So you're still talking about a human being.
		You are?
		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that more of a theological question than a scientific one?
		Or actually, you wouldn't even know.
		If you cloned a human being.
unidentified		Well, you're starting.
unidentified		I don't care how you do it.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		When you start off as a baby, whether it's a clone or whether, you know, you're talking about just, say, a man and a woman mixing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps, sir, you can tell me at what point the soul is inculcated.
unidentified		I don't know that there is or isn't a soul in anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		But the fact remains that you're starting off with an egg being planted, an egg being transformed, whether, you know, whether we put the DNA in or whether God puts the DNA in, is still going to grow up as a human being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're probably correct.
unidentified		Okay, the other thing on the right to die.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		The only place where I agree with you that every human being has the absolute right to terminate their life whenever they choose.
unidentified		This is correct.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		The only place where I would disagree with you is that there is a moral sense that you are not alone.
		That anytime that you make the decision, you're not just affecting yourself.
		You're affecting every person that you have contact with when you choose to terminate your own life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
		But one might argue, sir, not always in a negative way.
		In other words, people in their last months of life, and this is going to sound harsh, but in their last months of life, sir, can exhaust all of a family's finances it took a lifetime to accumulate in order to remain alive in a nearly vegetative state in diapers with IVs dripping.
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		I agree with you totally there.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		The only place where I would say that there should be some input besides just your own.
dr gregory little ▲ ● ▼		In other words, when you decide to terminate your life, and if you're in a terminal state, you know, that you know you're going to die and so forth, then well, that's an individual choice, but morally, I understand certainly your argument.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I just think that other people have a right to say goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to argue that.
		You've got the moral high ground.
		But in the end, no matter what, it's their life, and people are going to make different decisions about it.
unidentified		You're right.
unidentified		That I agree with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
		There has been a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, a very shocking decision that, in essence, strikes down Washington State's law and affirms Oregon's law, allowing assisted suicide.
		It will, I'm sure, go to the U.S. Supreme Court.
		But listen to what the Ninth Circuit said.
		Quote, a competent, terminally ill adult, having lived nearly the full measure of his life, has a strong liberty interest in choosing a dignified and humane death rather than being reduced at the end of his existence to a childlike state of helplessness, diapered, sedated, and incompetent.
unidentified		End quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a pretty serious decision.
Cloning Controversy 00:15:34
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And should it be upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, and I'm sure it's going to be challenged.
		That's going to open the door to a new era in America.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, it's Stephen Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Steve.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm glad you got away from the politics, and so are the rest of my small but influential group here in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		For the evening, anyway, I'd like to say the sheep cloning thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, and the other facts you read last night and repeated today about the population continuing at a rapid pace?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I putting two and two together, I'm thinking that might be a way of introducing trash to truth or trash.
		Maybe not the sheep cloning thing, which is very hard to believe.
		Scottish people of all.
		I mean, do they have any Scottish scientists?
		I wasn't aware that they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
unidentified		German.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, sir, they've done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's real.
unidentified		It really is.
		Yeah.
		What about the population thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was on CNN last night.
		Well, I don't know.
		That's somebody who sent me a facts.
unidentified		Okay, one last thing for the evening, Art.
		I wasn't going to tell anybody, but Bill Clinton, his first name, and it's a fact, used to be Steve.
		You can check the record on that.
		I looked it up in the hall of records.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surely you just.
unidentified		Not kidding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bill Clinton used to be Steve?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		No.
		Check it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was his full name?
unidentified		Stephen J. Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stephen J. Clinton.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		All right.
		I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Is that true?
		Can anybody else confirm that?
		Wildguard Line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Mike in Tucson, KTUC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
dr russel blaylock ▲ ● ▼		Has anybody mentioned the fact that FEMA has been elevated to a cabinet position, and do you think there's any significance to that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say, how about they might be expecting more disasters?
unidentified		That's exactly what I was thinking.
dr russel blaylock ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they know something that we don't.
unidentified		A second question.
dr russel blaylock ▲ ● ▼		How do you think one of these, speaking of animal mutilations, how do you think an alien civilization would describe observing a slaughterhouse?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a point well taken.
		I know that I was once near a slaughterhouse, and there was a kind of an instinctual fear that I felt.
		Aside from the smell, there was a fear.
		And it was almost like an animal fear.
		And I can remember it.
dr russel blaylock ▲ ● ▼		You know, pigs are real smart, and they know what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, so that's the answer to your question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, there's a good part of animal in human beings.
unidentified		Yeah.
dr russel blaylock ▲ ● ▼		But the question about FEMA, when I first heard that, I immediately thought, gee, maybe they know something we don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I remember when I was a youngster, we stopped near a slaughterhouse, and I had a golden retriever dog, and I had never, I never saw that dog so scared in my whole life.
		She was whining and crying, and she understood and felt the adjacent death that was going on.
		And I felt something, too.
		It was really weird.
		Slaughterhouse.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		We take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Truth or Trash coming up in about a half hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Just think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we clone the president, the president can do what he wants.
		And if it doesn't work out, he can blame his clone instead of the Republicans, John from Detroit.
		Dear Art, well, well, David Rockefeller's Errand Boy running against David Rockefeller's Errand Boy again.
		Why am I not surprised?
		With the exception of Ronald Reagan's first term only, we have been cloning the same president since Wilson.
		The sheep in Scotland are kids' stuff.
		Bill and Santa Ana.
		Well said, Bill.
		Yes, clone presidents.
		A race between Bob Dole and Bill Clinton doesn't exactly inspire.
		Here's somebody who says in Phoenix, the satellite time is going to be 5.25 a.m.
		So there you go.
		About 15 degrees above the South Horizon.
		Or this.
		Listen to this, folks.
unidentified		Oh, wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is incredible.
		I can't believe my facts got through.
		Art, you sound different on the facts from the way you do on the air.
		Seriously, I'm glad things look good for assisted suicide in Oregon.
		If the SLBs had let that law stand in the first place, maybe my dying uncle would not have chosen to shoot himself a couple of months ago.
		He could have gone out with less pain and a great deal more dignity.
		So we are talking about that because of the decision of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
		And it's a fairly controversial decision.
		It basically says anybody with a terminal illness has an absolute right to take their life if they want to.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I don't want to talk about clone.
		All right.
		It seems like people think that they won't have their own brains or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, it depends.
		As I said with the previous caller suggested, it could be.
		Let's look at it philosophically.
		If it were an actual clone, that means a true, identical, precisely identical human being to you, in every single way, right down to DNA.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would that be a separate individual or simply a sort of a shadow, a hollow shadow of you?
unidentified		Well, I mean, think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when I say hollow, I mean soulless.
unidentified		I mean, it'll be very much the same as you.
unidentified		It'll have the same color hair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same soul, sir?
unidentified		Well, will it even want to comb its hair the same way you do, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Forget the hair, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Forget the hair.
unidentified		Same soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on now.
unidentified		I don't believe so.
unidentified		I mean, because you don't believe what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		You don't believe what?
		In souls?
unidentified		No, I don't believe so.
unidentified		I didn't say souls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you don't believe so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be the same in every way, except the soul.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, what makes you you is the experiences that have happened to you.
unidentified		I mean, they've cloned trees like the big thousand-year-old Sherwood tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But if you take that and plant it in your yard, Art Bell, you know, it might not grow at all, and you might pray it a different way.
unidentified		It's not going to grow up to be the exact same tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lightning might hit one part of it and make it look different.
unidentified		And think about it.
		I mean, if you were your own clone, would you do what you say?
		I mean, probably not, because you have strong willpower, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, would a clone have willpower?
unidentified		Oh, definitely so.
unidentified		I mean, if it has your same brain capacity and you have willpower, then it's definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm just giving you a hard time.
		I tend to believe exactly what you believe.
		I think it would be a separate individual, but it gets.
unidentified		I mean, twins are very much the same, and they're not always the same exactly.
unidentified		But if you took one and separated it, and it grew up in Michigan, and you took another one and put it in L.A., they're not going to be the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there have been, look, I'm not giving up here because there have been some very interesting experiments with twins that have grown up in different places.
		And the truth is, the similarities are so striking.
		The paths in life are so similar that it would scare you to death.
		Now, that's a twin.
		That's not a clone.
		A clone is an exact duplicate of yourself.
		That's what they have done with sheep in Scotland, according to CNN.
		And if they can do that with sheep in Scotland, they can do it with people in Detroit or L.A. or wherever.
		And I really think they might be doing it right now.
		The fact they've done it in Scotland means it can be done.
		If you can do it with sheep, you can do it with humans.
		And what have you produced?
		What have you produced?
		There is a reasonable philosophical argument to be had about what that being is.
		Is it a separate entity, a soul?
		Does it have a soul of its own?
		Is the soul the only difference between clone A and clone B and clone C and clone D?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		This is Darrell and Salt Lake.
		Hello.
keith rowland ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I just wanted to interject a little something about China this morning.
unidentified		Good.
keith rowland ▲ ● ▼		I was actually listening to a syndicated program on a local news radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
keith rowland ▲ ● ▼		And the gentleman had mentioned that he'd received a fax from a congressman, I wish I could remember the name of the person, stating that China had intended to blockade Taiwan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to blockade Taiwan beginning, I think, Friday.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that the U.S. had responded by suggesting that would be an act of war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that about right?
unidentified		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I got that news.
		There was an article as well in the Wall Street Journal that detailed where they're going to be firing missiles, and they actually are going to be going over Taiwan.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is getting really serious.
unidentified		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I called Bob Crane, who was due to go to Taiwan here in a couple of weeks, and we had a long talk earlier today.
		He called the daughter of a vice president of Taiwan that he happens to know, and on my advice, looked further into it.
		And she said, don't go.
		So that's some inside info for you, and he is not going.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
keith rowland ▲ ● ▼		He had mentioned, too, that the fact that said something about China threatening to nuke L.A.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about that.
		Yeah.
		I think that would be a poor choice for them.
unidentified		Yeah, I agree.
unidentified		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		There is a man named Li running for the president's seat in Taiwan.
		Lee is basically a breakaway kind of guy.
		Doesn't want anything to do with China.
		China considers Taiwan to be sort of a breakaway province, a rebellious province.
		In other words, China considers Taiwan is theirs.
		And I'm afraid that if Mr. Lee, China keeps making lots of noises about Mr. Li and every time they do, his stock goes up a couple of points.
		And it's now said he's probably going to be a shoe-in for president.
		If that occurs, the odds are that China is going to do something rash.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Hi, this is Mark in Honolulu.
		Yes, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm great.
unidentified		I caught you when I was down in Australia on Real Audio.
unidentified		That is fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You heard me in Australia?
unidentified		Yeah, I actually called you.
		I was one of the go.
		You got a call from me and one of the guys who were told that's right, yes.
		I wanted to say a couple of things.
		One on the right to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I think that's a good idea that they've given dignity to people like that.
		My father had liver cancer.
		He knew it was going to happen.
		He refused to go to the hospital, had a doctor that would help him out in his last six months.
		He spent that six months getting his house in order and taking care of talking to all the kids and mom and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And the fellow went off on, this really amazed us all.
unidentified		He actually went off within one hour of his actual birth date and birth time and did it with great dignity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do favor it.
		I know that a lot of people think it leads to a very slippery slope, but I think that here is one place you do have choice.
		It's your life, not another.
		It's yours.
		And if you decide you're not going to suffer a lingering, expensive, painful death, I'm sorry.
		To me, that's your choice.
unidentified		I think so too.
unidentified		And I've got one thing I want you to ask Hoagland when you talk to him next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would that be?
unidentified		I listened real close.
unidentified		I actually taped it because it was such an interesting program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And he kept talking about inner dimensional energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, right.
unidentified		Right?
		And I'd like to know what he means by interdimensional.
		I understand the word energy, but it just sounded to me like maybe from another dimension there's energy coming into this dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		So I just, you know, if you get a chance and it works into the conversation next time you have a talk with him, ask him about that for us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll do that.
		Thank you very much for the call, sir.
		Hyperdimensional physics is what he talks about.
		Hyper.
		As in another.
		Of the Rockies, you're on the air, huh?
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'm on a mobile phone.
		Let me stop here so I don't kill myself so I can talk to you.
		That'd be good.
		I am so glad to talk to you.
		As people are always telling you, your show is great.
		I love the music and the topics and everything.
		I have a job where I'm in the truck for six hours, five nights a week.
		And I listen to you for the better part of that on KTRH radio out of Houston.
		Yes, sir.
		One thing I wanted to say just quickly about politics and then I'll move on to the cloning thing.
Scared Of Cloning 00:12:57
unidentified		It's my hope that Mr. Dole will get the nomination and choose a vice president.
		I know not who that would be.
		That would help the party.
		And I also hope that we can somehow get those Republicans to quit acting like I always say the Democrats used to and unify and get together and see if we can't get President Steve out of office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you believe that, Steve?
		Listen, we've got a terrible connection.
		What do you want to say about cloning?
unidentified		Oh, well, I'm just really scared of the whole cloning thing.
		I think it's wrong.
		And what I wonder is, they clone these things, and do you have to, I mean, say you go out and you have a clone made of yourself.
		Do you then have to wait for this thing to grow up?
		I mean, it's going to be an embryo, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but presumably we could begin to clone.
		Well, for example, listen on the radio, sir.
		Boy, that's a terrible connection.
		Why not clone five or six similar beings, or maybe there's not even really a limit, beginning all at the same time.
		Then you would have five or six identical beings.
		I'm going to be generous here, and I'm going to say beings.
		And the uses, you know, would be endless.
		I mean, you, for example, sir, could be home tilting a cold one while your clone was out doing the five hours a night in the truck.
		Oh, I tell you, science is moving, I think, a little fast for our social ability to deal with it, and that, too, is part of the quickening.
		But it is very interesting.
		Cloning, they actually have, so that you've got to know I'm telling you the truth.
		CNN last night reported that Scottish scientists have indeed now cloned sheep.
		Actually cloned sheep.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Ark.
		Hello.
		This is the lady that thought you looked like young Steve Allen.
		Oh, yes.
		You know, there's a lot of really frightening and mysterious stuff happening to a lot of simple people out here, and I really appreciate being able to talk to you.
		And, you know, when Mr. Davenport was on?
		Yes.
		Well, he was talking about the glowing circular object with the green tail.
		Yes.
		Six years ago, on March 16th, at 10 minutes to 6 in the evening, it was still light.
		I sat down on my couch and looked up the slope toward my driveway less than 50 feet away, and I saw this glow, and I went to the window, and there was like a huge, I'd say it had to be as big as, say, a bus.
		And it was like a pulsating, I don't know what it could be, like an energy source or something.
		You could look at it, it was bright, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it moving?
unidentified		Yeah.
		It was standing still.
		And it had a green, forked-like curved tail behind it, just like a comet, you'd think, but it was standing still over three fir trees at the end of my driveway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't like that.
unidentified		Oh, God.
		Well, you know, Art, I'm a reasonable person, and I know that that couldn't be there.
		But it was.
		And so it sat still for just a few seconds and then went slowly up the driveway toward a microwave tower that's for like cellular phones that's behind my house.
		Yes.
		And so that first, there were three fir trees, and the one on the end, honest to God, the next week, fell over dead.
		So it had a physical effect on it had a physical effect, and I was frightened that it would have a physical effect on me being nearby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it can cause a fir tree to fall over dead, why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You never know about yourself.
unidentified		And my neighbor burned the wood, and I was thinking, God darn it, but the stump's still there.
		And I wrote to Bud Hopkins about it after it happened.
		You know, it's so startling and unbelievable.
		So it's so wonderful to have you to talk to and listen to, because there are a lot of strange things happening to people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are.
unidentified		And it's nice to have a format.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is the home for them, ma'am.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		The strange, the unusual, the bizarre, the different.
		This is definitely the home for it.
		And I don't mind, as I keep saying, there really is an awful lot more to life than politics.
		And every now and then I just sort of get up to here with politics.
		I mean, I could do it.
		You know, I can.
unidentified		But I just, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get excited about it when something exciting happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But right now, all I see ahead is dull.
unidentified		Dole, dole, dull.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As far as the eye can see, it's dull.
		And I am uninspired.
		I go back to my ever-famous favorite statement made by a little CNN gal the other night.
		Voting for Bob Dole, it's kind of like kissing your sister.
		Nobody's doing it with much passion, but they are doing it.
		Art could this cloning thing be the abomination that causes desolation?
		Think about it.
		Could a soulless being created by humans actually become the anti-human or anti-Christ?
		Sounds like a very bad B movie, don't you think?
		Vicki in Farmington, New Mexico.
		Vicki, life in the modern US of A is kind of like a bad B movie, many days.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this is Jack in Charleston, South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jack.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		I think that O.J. missed his chance to use the cloning defense.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		I want to ask you something about Crossfire, but first, have you ever read any Kurt Vonnegut Jr. book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		Oh, because I was trying to, rather than going to my bookshelf and looking, do you know which story of his had ethical suicide centers in it?
unidentified		And they stole the idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I should be able to immediately tell you, and I can't.
		I'm sorry.
		It'll come to me.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		And they stole the idea from Kurt Vonnegut for Soil and Green, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Soil and green, yeah.
unidentified		Think about Crossfire.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, I had Hurricane Gigo in 1989, and I lost my cable for about six weeks.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		And before that, you know, Crossfire is Tom Braden on the left, and Pat Buchanan, of course, on the right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		And after I got my cable back six weeks later, it was when Michael Kinsley was horse there.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what ever happened to Tom Braden?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do not, and I only know rumors about Kinsley, actually.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		Kinsley started some kind of a, you know, on computer magazine type thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that generally people who continuously argue from the left eventually implode.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		Because I was wondering if Tom Brayden may have died or whatever, because I have not heard anything from him since then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you heard of this odd thing where human beings from time to time explode into flames and actually burn to a cinder with spontaneous combustion?
unidentified		Didn't you say you were going to have a program about that a while ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coming this Sunday on Dreamland.
unidentified		Oh, that's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have sort of a general loose theory that people who argue every single day from the left eventually spontaneously combust.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, once you reach a certain level of insincerity and you have told one lie too many and the level of hypocrisy reaches an absolute zenith, you combust.
		You self-emolate.
		You turn into ash.
		And so we will see a continuing line of people arguing and then turning into flames from the left.
		I have no idea what I'm talking about.
		But you get what I'm saying, don't you?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		No, I don't know what happened to them.
		I'm sure they're still around somewhere.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More somewhere in time coming up.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from March 6th, 1996.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pot Off the Facts Machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it goes with the topic that we've been discussing for a couple of days now about anxiety and all the rest of that.
unidentified		Art?
		Yes.
		I too have the feeling of impending dole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Impending dole.
		And that's about as much as I want to say about politics because I'm in finally here in a mood where I would like to play some truth or trash.
		And we're going to do that here in a minute.
		I'll tell you about it.
		Now, somebody sent this to me, and I thought, well, I guess first I better tell you what is truth or trash.
		A lot of you will never have heard it.
		It is an opportunity for one person at a time to come on the air and tell a story.
		And I establish a special phone line for calling in with truth or trash stories.
		Now, the story you tell should be kinky and weird.
		No UFO stories.
		No ghost stories.
		Unless they're really cool.
		Because we have no way of adequately letting the audience judge such a story.
		You know, it's kind of like you're word against.
		So we don't do those.
		What we want are weird and bizarre stories, things that have happened to you in life that are almost beyond the pale.
		I have an example here.
		And we let you tell your story.
		And by the way, one thing I should add, if you want, it can be a bold-faced lie.
		In other words, utter trash.
		But your challenge is to lie so well that you fool our audience.
		Because after you have told your story, I will put you on hold and I will then inquire of those calling whether they believe your story is truth or trash.
		Now the audience is allowed to ask questions of the storyteller.
		I will be the judge of the stories.
		If your story is not cool enough, I will not submit it to the panel.
		That's the name of that tune.
		So Then we will go and survey three out of four, and we will see whether the audience thinks you have told the absolute truth or whether it's total garbage.
		And if your job is to fool them, one way or the other.
		So if you are a good prevaricator or you have a true, absolutely true but hard-to-believe story to tell, either way, we'd love to have you participate.
		Now, as of this moment, the truth or trash line is, everybody else, don't call.
		The only place you can tell a story is on this one line.
		Area code 702-727-1222.
unidentified		Now write it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the only place you can call to tell a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		702-727-1222.
Velma's Truth or Trash 00:15:44
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now here's what got me started.
		I got the following in email from Dave.
		I work nights at a local grocery store as a night stalker.
		Sorry, night stalker.
		Three of us on the crew keep our dials set at Como 1000 a.m. to listen to your show.
		We especially enjoyed the Halloween special and truth or trash.
		Thus, I have a truth or trash for you.
		Understandably, I realize these segments are sporadic, but I just had to tell this story.
		I grew up in a Seattle-area house that was built by a doctor early in the century.
		He used the building as his home and office, and his reputation is spotless among the older community members.
		He died in the early 60s, and his wife sold the multiple-bedroom house to my parents.
		With five boys in the family, we enjoyed the space inside and the large yard outside.
		Well, when I was in the first grade, we were studying archaeology, and the teacher, that's pretty heavy for the first grade, and the teacher wanted us to go home and try a little digging in our own backyard.
		My closest friend at the time, Anthony and myself, began chipping away at a grass-covered mound in the yard, and we were thrilled to find a bone for show and tell.
		We figured it to be a dog bone.
		And the teacher displayed the find right along with the rest of the classes digging treasures in glass case in the hallway.
		One day the next week, I noticed our bone was gone.
		Asking the teacher, I found that someone thought the bone smelled bad, so it was thrown away.
		Disheartened, I vowed to dig up another that very day.
		Well, upon my arrival home, I could see a number of unfamiliar cars in the driveway.
		Mom and dad met me at the end of the driveway, and our car said we were going to stay at our grandparents' for a few days.
		When I asked about the strange cars, they said our septic system needed some work.
		A few days later, we returned home to find the cars gone, along with the grassy mound in the backyard, which must have been the location of the septic tank.
		Well, a few years ago, my parents were selling the house to move into something more manageable with all the kids out of the house.
		They were itching to get away, so I volunteered to watch the place while they made the week-long trip to Reno.
		Real estate agent dropped by with a few prospective buyers, and I accompanied them about the yard.
		A question was asked about the septic system, and I showed them where I figured the tank to exist.
		The agent looked at me quizzically.
		It's on the other side of the house, he said.
		I disagreed Until he showed me a site plan drawn up by my father, clearly showing the septic tank on the other side of the property.
		The next day, I began digging into records at the county building department.
		I found the well log and approved septic tank plan for the location noted by my dad.
		There was no record of any changes to the system in the mid-60s.
		Now, mom and dad weren't due back home for a few days, so I decided to do a little more archaeological study.
		Our local police chief, an old friend of the family, saw me digging in the yard and stopped to make some cracks about digging to China.
		Didn't your parents fix that septic system years ago, he said.
		My pickaxe froze in midair above my head.
		Talking with the chief, I found that he was told all the commotion during that week back in 68 was just some septic tank work.
		He offered to do a little more investigating for me.
		Next night, about 9 o'clock at night, there was a knock at the door.
		The police chief had a strange look on his face.
		He said, forget the septic tank thing.
		Don't ask me anything.
		This is too confusing and dangerous to mess with.
		Let your parents sell the place and move on.
		But what about, I began to say, just forget it, he said.
		I was young and impressionable, but I'm willing to take that risk today.
		I've begun an investigation into this situation.
		Maybe the good doctor wasn't so good.
		Truth or trash.
		Well, I have no way of knowing whether that story is true or not.
		And what I'm going to do is take three quick, maybe four quick calls, and find out whether you think that is truth or trash.
		And then we will depend on him emailing or faxing us with a result.
		But you've got to admit, it's a hell of a story.
		Do you think that story was truth or trash?
unidentified		I'd say the truth.
unidentified		Truth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have the ring of truth to you?
unidentified		Yeah, that sounds like possibly buried out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was an awful lot of detail to have imagined, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's a believable story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's one for the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, by the way?
unidentified		La Crosse, Lisa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		La Crosse.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		What do you think of that story?
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		I think it's trash.
		Really?
		Yeah, well, just, you know, it's got too much detail, and the sheriff would have known at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think the guy would make a good novelist?
unidentified		Yeah, I think he's a good storyteller.
unidentified		But does this mean that I can't talk about something else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it means so.
unidentified		Can I call back later?
		Yes.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, bye.
		Yeah, when we're playing truth or trash, that's all we do.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, I think that was one heck of a story.
unidentified		Just have to trash it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash it.
		All right.
		Well, that's two for trash.
		Where are you, by the way?
unidentified		I'm in San Marcus, Texas.
unidentified		That's NWI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		San Marcus, Texas.
		All right, thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		You could do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's truth or trash?
unidentified		Is this me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, only you know that for sure.
unidentified		Oh, God.
unidentified		Maybe it's just the way you told the story so well, but I would have to say it's truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Truth.
		All right.
		We have a dead tie.
		Where are you, dear?
unidentified		I'm in Henderson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Henderson, Nevada, of course.
unidentified		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're going to break the tie.
		Do you think that was truth or trash?
unidentified		I didn't know we were playing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you're not listening.
unidentified		I wonder.
unidentified		I turn my radio off to be on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, we're into truth or trash now.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Truth or trash.
unidentified		All right, Bill, I think it's trash.
		There's definitely too much detail.
		It's fiction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too well done, huh?
unidentified		Too well done.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hell of a story, though.
unidentified		Too dramatic.
unidentified		It's definitely a hell of a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could write a novel about that.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, just putting in all kinds of detail, and I can see it as a movie of the week.
		All right, well, I'm putting this aside.
		We have trashed this man's story, well told as it admittedly was.
		And Dave, you need to get to us quickly.
		Since he originally sent it by email, he may not have a fax.
		But we need the answer, Dave.
		We'll just put it aside till we get that answer.
		Now, I am now going, now we're going to go for the real thing, or we will hear in a moment go for the real thing.
		We're going to play Truth or Trash.
		This time, though, we're going to have people on the phone telling their story, and they'll tell their story, and then I'll come to you as the audience.
		If you want to ask the person a question, you're allowed to do that.
		If you just want to trash them or say it sounded good to me, you can do that.
		Now, remember, the truth or trash line is the only place you can tell a story, and it better be a good one, too.
		I'm judge of that.
		And if it's not a good story, it does not get submitted.
		Here we go.
		On our Truth or Trash line, you're on the air.
		What is your first name?
unidentified		Velma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Velma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Velma, where are you?
unidentified		Galt, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of story have you for us?
unidentified		Well, I have a kind of an audio.
		Back about 1940, I was in college taking French.
		And I was doing very well in it, too, and all getting very good grades.
		And our instructor gave us all, each one, a different book to read in French.
		I got my book out.
		It was by Balzac, Honori de Balzac.
		And the book was The Lily in the Valley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So I took it out, you know, took it home and started to read it that night.
		I opened the book.
		It was impossible to read one letter in the words, even.
		It was like some terrible force between me and it.
		And I tried and tried.
		I couldn't read one word.
		So finally, I put it away.
		The next day I saw my teacher in the library and I said, well, I guess you're going to have to plunk me.
		She said, well, what's wrong?
		I said, well, I can't read it.
		Oh, well, she said, that's all right.
		Read some other book.
		So I took a big sigh and thank goodness read another book.
		Over the years, I recall this one day when I was in a library and passed the bees and saw Balzac looking at me.
		So I took off the book and took it home and sat down that night to read it.
		Thought, boy, now, that was kind of a funny thing way back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll get it done now, yeah.
unidentified		I opened the book.
unidentified		Force was there, and it was impossible to read one word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Velma, we've got it.
		That's an incredible story.
		Stand by, Velma.
		Don't go away now.
		Now, what do you think of that?
		An evil force keeps Velma from reading only one book.
		Could it be?
		Velma sounded pretty sincere to me, but we'll let you determine that now.
		What do you think of Velma's story?
		The impossible-to-read French book, truth or trash.
		Hello there.
		Art!
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Call the wildcard lines, Area 702-727-1295.
unidentified		I do not have my radio right now, so I had no idea what's been going on.
unidentified		I've just been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you shouldn't call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should never call.
unidentified		Okay, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should never call when you don't know what's going on.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Do you think Velma's story was truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, Art, that is an interesting story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kevin, if you want to ask Velma a question, she's here.
unidentified		No, I think I've heard enough.
		I would probably have to say truth, believe it or not.
		I know am I the first one to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
		You are.
		You're the first one to render truth.
unidentified		I bet she'll probably get mostly trash will be the winner, but I think it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		She told it pretty well.
		All right, sir.
		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		And I thought it was well told.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Velma's impossible to read French book, truth or trash.
unidentified		No judgment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, what do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Hefty, hefty cinch sec.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
		Absolute trash.
		A hefty trash bag, huh?
unidentified		From a hefty imagination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From a hefty imagination.
unidentified		It's simply illogical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, all right.
		Maybe it is.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Velma's story, truth or trash.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art, Zach, and Fort Bragg.
james in santa monica ▲ ● ▼		That is definitely the truth.
unidentified		I believe every word she says.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that sounds awfully committed.
		Why?
		Why do you believe that so strongly?
unidentified		It's a feeling I got when I listened that she had a conviction in her voice.
unidentified		In her voice of what she was saying.
james in santa monica ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, if I would have heard anybody else tell that same story, I don't believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just said all baloney, but Velma just had that tenor to her voice.
unidentified		Yep.
james in santa monica ▲ ● ▼		Right, and I believe something like that could happen as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate it.
		Thank you very much for the call, and Velma, I'm sure, appreciates it.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, truth or trash.
unidentified		I really.
unidentified		Hi, Maya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Hi.
		I really thought she was kind of in her own world on that story.
		I mean, maybe it was true to her, but it sure didn't sound very true to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're trashing it.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Poor Velma.
		All right, thank you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Velma's story, truth or trash, you will decide.
unidentified		I think you're shameless, Art.
unidentified		You cut her off before the kicker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm.
unidentified		I'm sure she had more to the.
		I think it's true, but I'm wondering why she couldn't read the book.
		She probably has an answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Velma, do you have an answer, or was that the story?
unidentified		That is the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there you are.
unidentified		I did try one more time about five years ago, and I even picked another one of his books.
		I thought, well, look, we've got to go, but the same thing happened.
		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is, Velma, it's absolutely true.
unidentified		Absolute truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the panel got you.
		They said it was true.
		You told it too well.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 6th, 1996.
		Brooks presents Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Today's featuring Coast of Ghost AF from March 6th, 1996.
		This is a big favor from Jim in Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Honolulu.
		After a quick review of all the satrack orbital predictions for the Tethered Satellite System, TSS, Florida is the best place to observe on Thursday, March 7th today.
		The best pass over Florida should be at 5.53 a.m. and last for about 10 minutes.
		Here are some details, if you're interested.
		From Jacksonville, Florida, 32 degrees, 32.3 above the horizon at the peak.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Miami will be 87.1 above at the peak and Orlando 46.7 at the peak.
		Note that in Miami, it will be directly overhead at about 5.58 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
		A pair of binoculars makes it even more interesting.
		Art, I've seen this thing, and it's worth missing breakfast for just a glimpse.
		Hope to hear the impressions of some of your lucky Florida listeners.
		And now to our truth or trash line.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Yeah, it's Cy in Bakersfield, California.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Cy Young.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, Cy.
		Glad to have you.
		What do you have for us?
unidentified		Well, back in 1967, I was 17 years old going to school here, and my best friend and I, after school, we worked at an FM radio station.
		We wanted to get into radio, and the radio station had a nightclub for high school kids, and it was a non-alcoholic club.
		And we had a lot of the struggling groups from Los Angeles come up to play on the weekends.
		And one of the groups that we got real friendly with was a group called Incense and Peppermint.
		Oh, yeah.
		They were the Strawberry Alarm Clock.
		That was a song they had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the number one song, I believe.
unidentified		And they're real good friends of ours.
		And they came up one weekend in the summer, and they brought a couple of their friends and some girls, and they were on their way up to Monterey.
		There was going to be some big pop festival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Up in Monterey.
		It was going to be a big thing.
		And I asked my mom if we could go, and she said, no, you're 17.
		I was a good Mormon boy.
		She said, no, I want my son going with all these guys and girls.
		And a couple of guys look kind of scary.
		And he's not going to go out of town overnight.
		And, you know, I couldn't go out disappointed.
		And the rest is history as far as the Monterey Pop Festival.
		About a few weeks later, the band came back to Bakersfield.
		And these two guys, Charles and Tex and these girls, we got to be real good friends with them.
		And they had a family, and we used to go to Love Inns and Beans and Elysian Park in Los Angeles on the weekends and do all the love-ins and do what we did as hippies.
		We were into the hippie crowd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those were the days.
unidentified		And my best friend, his family used to go out to this ranch, the spawn ranch, and they would, we didn't go with them, but my best friend, they were trying to get us to join their family, and my best friend almost left Bakersfield and left his family to join this family because he thought it was the other way to happiness and all that.
		Yes.
		And I was really enticed by this family.
		But I had a strong family myself, and I kind of lost track of this family, but I saw them in the newspaper about two years later when they were found at the Rowan Polanski estate with Sharon Tate.
		Oh, my God.
		Charles Manson and Tex Watson, whom I knew real well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you almost got adopted by the Manson family.
unidentified		In fact, my best friend, it took almost had to deprogram him.
		He really wanted to join the family.
		He was really enticed to the money and the sex and the drugs and rock and roll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a story, Cy.
unidentified		Truth or trash?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, truth or trash.
		All right, stand by, Cy.
		I'm putting you on hold there.
		There you are.
		Cy, nearly adopted by Charles Manson and family.
		Truth or trash.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Cy's near adoption?
unidentified		Well, I think it's trash.
		You do?
		For sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Couldn't it have been, though?
		I mean, the time was right.
		It could have been.
unidentified		No, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you?
unidentified		Duluth, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Duluth, Minnesota.
		All right.
		Well, that didn't get swallowed in Duluth.
		Remember, if you have a question that you need to ask Sy about his near adoption by Charlie Manson, if there's evil on earth, that's Charlie.
		You ever see him in jail?
		Talk about.
unidentified		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think of Cy's near adoption by Charlie Manson?
unidentified		Well, I think it's a wonderful story, but I think it's trash because in 1967, FM wasn't doing so much rock and roll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what they were doing was really fringe stuff, though.
unidentified		I'll still say trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Well, that's Cy's going two for two trash there.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Cy's story?
unidentified		Of who?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Size story.
unidentified		Boy, I don't know.
unidentified		You don't know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you're not listening to the radio?
unidentified		Is this Hart Bell?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm what?
unidentified		Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
		What do you think of Cy's story?
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Why do you think trash?
		Just the way he told it, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of a little hypster in his voice?
unidentified		No, just a feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		Fort Wayne.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fort Wayne, Indiana.
		All right.
		Well, there you've got it, Cy.
		They trashed you big time.
		Three up, three down.
unidentified		I understand that.
unidentified		That's very true, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a true story.
unidentified		I was brushed.
		My brush was immortal.
		Crime didn't.
		Yeah, very true story.
		Yeah, you'd have been.
		The story I've told a million times.
		In fact, that one guy was pretty close.
		It was the first FM station in Bakersfield.
		It was KIFM, and it was pretty much the fruit of the first station.
		It was the first back in 67.
		You didn't have much AOL in those days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Man, that must have been a really big temptation.
		I mean, there were a lot of good-looking women around Charlie, and there was a lot going on.
		Sex, drugs, and rock and roll, as you said.
unidentified		But it seems like those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You better go back and thank your mama.
unidentified		Yeah, and my friend still thanks me today that I talked him out of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you fooled him, but good, Cy.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Enjoy the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		There you go, folks.
		The panel crashed big time on that one.
		I believe him.
		I believe him.
		I believe the story.
		And it could easily be, and why not?
		And as he said, and he even named the station early on, I remember what FM was doing.
		Yeah, sure.
		I remember those days.
unidentified		On our truth or trash line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Yeah, how you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Tupelo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tupelo, Mississippi?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what's your first name?
unidentified		Jim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, and do you have a story for us, Jim?
unidentified		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		Well, actually, I have two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can only take one, Jim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The best one.
unidentified		Okay.
		Just around 1964, I had a 64 Lamont.
		You know how the bumpers are shaped on them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not exactly.
unidentified		They have a point in the middle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I remember now.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Out with a bunch of friends of mine riding around doing things teenagers shouldn't be doing and got to the house to drop a buddy off.
		And my car wouldn't start.
		He lived up on a hill.
		And somebody said, hey, why don't you go up and bring the car down and help jump me off?
		So I'm standing there trying to get the hood open.
		And all of a sudden somebody says, oh, my gosh.
		And I looked up just in time to see a 74 Butek Wildcat rolling backwards down the driveway toward me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
unidentified		And caught both my knees in between the bumper of his rear bumper and my front bumper.
		My kneecap actually dented the front bumper on the point of my car.
		I called my grandfather, since I didn't want to get my folks involved.
		He took me the ER, and we had x-rays made, and there was no damage whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No damage?
unidentified		No damage at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, Jim.
		Crushed by Christine.
		All right, stand by, Jim.
		We're going to put you on hold there.
		Jim in Tupelo, Mississippi, crushed by Christine.
		You remember the movie Christine about the car?
		And no damage?
		And his knee put a dent in the other bumper?
		Truth or trash?
		What do you, the voting public, think?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Sounds like trash to me.
		Really?
		Completely.
		I think it's his delivery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't like his delivery.
unidentified		Correct, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate your call.
		And didn't like his delivery.
		Now, remember, you can ask questions.
		I mean, if there's something that's really peaking your interest or that could sway you one way or the other, Jim is sitting here ready to answer your questions.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Jim's bumper story from Tupelo, truth or trash.
unidentified		Definitely the truth.
		Truth.
		Really?
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you say that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you think, why do you think that any human being could stand having his knees crushed up against a bumper to the point they put Big Den in it and not have any damage?
unidentified		Well, just the way he sounded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you went by his voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, that's how Clinton got elected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Jim's bumped knee story?
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		I think it sounded to me like trash, but just the way that he told the story, Art, I think that it could be true.
		So you're going, so I'm going true.
		The story sounds too far-fetched to believe, but the way that he told it, I find it believable.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Kenai, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kenai, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we appreciate it, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you for your show, too, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		All right, we'll go here.
		Jim's story about the bumper and the knees and Christine, truth or trash.
unidentified		I say it's trash.
rep jim guest ▲ ● ▼		I think he messed up on the years.
tom in texas ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he say a 1974 Wildcat back?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's find out.
		Let's check this out.
		Jim?
unidentified		My car was a 64 of Le Mines.
unidentified		His was a 74 Wildcat.
tom in texas ▲ ● ▼		And you said it happened in 1964?
unidentified		Got to be trash.
		No, it didn't happen in 1964.
		Oh, okay.
		My car was a 64, but it was an older car.
		Hmm.
		Well, I still think it's trash.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		See, that's three for trash, two for truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, they have trashed you big time.
unidentified		Sorry about that, guys, but it really happened.
unidentified		I had a bruise from the top of my thigh down to my ankle, but no damage to the bones whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is an and your knee actually impressed on the bumper.
unidentified		It put a dead in the point of the bumper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That seems impossible.
unidentified		Yeah, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, Jim, you swear on that old car of yours, on the memory of it, that that is the truth.
unidentified		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you got him then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
		Take care.
		Got him, got him, got him, got him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love it when the panel starts to fall on their face.
		All right.
		Well, that was a pretty good story.
		That reminded me of Christine.
		Do you remember Christine?
		Remember that movie?
		Car Would Start, Crush People, Start All By Itself?
		Maybe my adding that somehow harmed the story.
		I don't know.
		I hope not.
		On our Truth or Trash line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is this?
unidentified		Chris from Valders, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chris from Valdez, Wisconsin?
unidentified		Valders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that?
unidentified		It's a little southeast of Green Bay, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good enough.
		All right.
		Chris, do you have a good story?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		That's how I think of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, lay it on us.
unidentified		All right.
		And, let's see, about 1978, my grandfather died.
		Yes.
		And he only had three grandchildren, me, my brother, and my sister.
		Right.
		And my brother was his favorite grandchild.
		And after he died, my mom would have to look for my brother's birth certificate once in a while.
		And it was always gone.
		And she'd look for it.
		She knew what it was supposed to be.
		She'd tear everything apart looking for it.
		It wasn't there.
		A couple weeks later, she'd look for it again.
		It wasn't there.
		Then she'd look in a place where she knew it wasn't.
		She wasn't looking for it.
		And all of a sudden, there was my brother's birth certificate.
		This happened a lot.
		This happened about three or four times.
		Yes.
		So my mother always thought, well, why is this happening?
		She thought, maybe grandpa did it.
		So the next time it happened, she said, Dad, I need Al's birth certificate.
		You know, I need it.
		Would you please bring it back?
		And?
		It'll be back.
		And also, another thing happened.
		He died right after Christmas.
		And a couple Christmases after he died, we had our Christmas tree set up in the living room.
		And we had it on a wall without a window.
		Or we had it in front of the window.
		And we were baking cookies, the kids and my mom, and my dad was in bed.
		And a couple hours after when we were done baking cookies, we went to the living room, and the Christmas tree and all the furniture was rearranged.
		And the tree was now on the wall where it was in front of the window.
		And that was where the last Christmas before he died, that's where the Christmas tree was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		See, this is the kind of story that's very hard to submit to a panel.
		They have no way of accurately judging this kind of a haunting story, Chris.
		Thank you, but I'm going to choose not to submit that to the panel.
		It's just, it's too hard to judge.
		So we're after sort of a different kind of a story.
		And I think that our caller from Tupelo, Tupeloo, typified exactly the kind of story that we want.
		Or Sy did as well.
		Oh, that was good, that Charlie Manson thing.
unidentified		Boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But hauntings are a little hard.
		I mean, they're just a little hard.
		They're so subjective.
		On our Truth or Trash line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		My name is Dolores from the Red Desert in Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Red Desert?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sounds exotic.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But so do you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dolores, you've got a story for us?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I started gathering documentation for a book called Spiders and Webs in Portland, Oregon in 1983.
		It involved cocaine corruption in the government in the state of Oregon.
		Yes.
		And simultaneously, unbeknownst to me, there was another man who worked for the Department of Corrections in Oregon who was also investigating governmental cocaine corruption in Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		He was murdered.
unidentified		I started getting strange calls and visitors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the police came into my house in April of 1985 and they confiscated every written scrap of paper they could find in my house.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
unidentified		Archetype.
		And they carried it out.
		They took all then three of my children away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They took your children?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And we weren't not allowed to see them for 110 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		110 days.
		Wait a minute.
		This requires a little explanation.
		Dolores, on what basis did they say they were taking your children?
unidentified		They charged us with medical neglect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Medical neglect.
unidentified		Which was a very vague law.
		And we went and they had no law in Oregon where you could not force them to take you to court.
		The agency had to introduce anything into juvenile court.
		So we had to go to a U.S. district court and order them to take us to court.
		110 days we went to court after my children have been battered severely in foster care.
		And it was documented.
		The children's doctors came to court, proved we didn't do it.
		The judge gave us full custody, ordered the agency to immediately put these children back in our possession.
		We were called back into court.
		I mean, we were called back into the prosecutor's office six weeks later.
		My children were severely and emotionally traumatized.
		And the prosecutor said that they didn't want me talking about my book.
		They didn't want me to rewrite it.
		That to ensure that I did not cause him any problems, they were going to split custody with the state of Oregon and ourselves, me and my husband.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And then they ordered us to get out of Oregon.
unidentified		We did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you did.
unidentified		We went to Missouri.
unidentified		They tracked us to Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, Dolores, we've got to wrap this up.
unidentified		Okay.
		And then we went to Louisiana, and they took my children away again.
		And they had to take three of them.
		And one of them, I tried to publish my book, and they took my children again.
		Dolores.
		They killed my daughter in foster care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dolores, we've got to stop it there.
		All right, let's see what they think.
		Hang on.
		Good heavens.
		Now, the way I make that one out, good heavens, Betsy.
		As a matter of fact, I don't even have enough time to finish this right now.
		Dolores, are you there?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, can you afford to hold through the news?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is such an incredible story.
		Hang in there.
		We'll get a judgment about all of this right after the deal.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
unidentified		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Pookie, tired of the same old, let's trash the government and the politicians talk radio.
		Well, it's not here tonight.
		We're playing truth or trash.
unidentified		Dolores wrote a book called Spiders and Webs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She weaves a tale of Oregon and its dark, darker aspects, chasing her, taking her children.
		In a moment, we'll find out what you think of that story, truth or trash.
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		A word to the wise.
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		All right, let us first be sure Dolores is still there, right?
		All right.
		Well, here comes Judgment Day, Dolores.
		Stand by.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of the story that Dolores wove for us?
unidentified		I think it's true.
unidentified		There's too much terror in her voice not to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think the Oregon authorities chased her all over the country, taking away her children?
unidentified		I wouldn't doubt that a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in Oregon?
unidentified		Washington.
		Bank of the Washington.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		I think that's kind of a cynical comment on our government, huh?
		Now we'll see.
		This is interesting.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Dolores' story of torture by Oregon government officials?
unidentified		I think it's probably true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Well, it's just like the last guy said.
unidentified		There was a lot of terror in her voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was.
unidentified		She was getting angrier as the story went on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do agree.
unidentified		I do agree.
unidentified		I live in Washington myself, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And I know a girl from Oregon who went almost to the same thing.
unidentified		So that's why I kind of think it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, it's incredible.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		My God, we're cynical out there.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think of Dolores' story?
unidentified		I have to say it is truth.
		Really?
		About five years ago, I wouldn't believe it.
		I was pretty naive about the government, but listening to so much talk lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you've been ruined.
unidentified		I am.
		I'm losing faith in the government.
		And like you discussed a couple minutes ago, we are the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
unidentified		We're losing faith in ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we are.
		You're dead right, sir.
		Where are you, by the way?
unidentified		I'm calling from California, Sunland, California.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Well, Dolores, they say your story is absolutely true.
		And what do you say?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oregon chased you all over the place.
unidentified		Yes, they did.
		And we were forced to sign surrender from four of our children to protect two of them because they threatened to murder them in foster care.
		And we're currently going to federal court in September this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dolores, thank you.
		Remind me not to move to Oregon.
		I'll tell you, I, you know, I would have said not true.
		I would have said not true.
		I frankly, I've got to be honest with you, Dolores, no slam.
		I would have said, you know, it really sounds like a case of paranoia.
		You know, a loose connection between the writing of the book and the problems that you're having with the family.
		I think I would have said that you put that together as an explanation for why they came after your children, Dolores.
		Again, no offense to you, but I would have said that.
		And I guess I would have been dead wrong, huh?
		First time caller line, which actually is our truth or trash line, to be accurate.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you, Art?
		I'm okay.
		What is your first name?
unidentified		Jeff from Salt Lake City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeff from Salt Lake City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a cool story?
unidentified		Well, mine's a celebrity sighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A celebrity sighting.
unidentified		This past Sunday, I was walking down the frozen food aisle, the grocery store here in Salt Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And ran into Margaret Thatcher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Margaret Thatcher?
unidentified		That's my story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a grocery store?
		In Salt Lake City?
		In Utah.
unidentified		In a small city.
unidentified		In a very small city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did she say anything to you?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a word.
unidentified		Not a word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then how do you know it was her?
unidentified		She was surrounded by several very, very capable-looking fine young gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bodyguards, no doubt.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeff meets Maggie in a little town in a supermarket in Utah.
unidentified		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even know she was in the country, so I. Jeff meets Maggie, truth or trash.
unidentified		This is Ron, the survivalist from Gresham, Oregon.
unidentified		I haven't listened to you yet, so I'm...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you shouldn't be calling if you're not listening.
		What do you think?
		Jeff meets Maggie, truth or trash?
unidentified		I think that was hype.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hype?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Small town, small story, small credibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got you.
		Thank you very much.
		No credibility, he says.
		So the first caller says trash.
		Not good, Jeff.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Jeff.
		Hello, Arch.
unidentified		My local affiliate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, WTMJ, is off, but I do have a challenge for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, we can't take it.
		We're doing truth or trash right now.
		I'm sorry.
		I know that.
		Well, okay, well, then don't call.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think?
		Jeff meets Maggie Thatcher in little grocery store in small town in Oregon.
		Truth or trash?
		Excuse me.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Utah.
unidentified		Mac and I'm calling from Cheyenne Wow that one is a total crock a total crock all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you my friend west of the Rockies Jeff meets Maggie Thatcher little grocery store in Utah truth or trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes Truth or trash sir trash trash yeah small story small small mind so infinitesimal I don't think I could find it with an electronic microscope.
unidentified		Oh man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeff has been really trash.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The previous one about the lady from Oregon.
		Yeah.
		It could be true considering children's services in the state.
		It's entirely true.
		Too many of those things have happened in the past in the state.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		But we're concentrating on Jeff.
		They trashed you big time.
unidentified		Well, let me explain.
unidentified		The Iron Lady is here to kick off the Utah UK month-long festival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You swear this is true.
unidentified		I swear to you, she did a ribbon cutting of some English food joint in Zucmi Mall.
		She went to Dan Fischer.
		Dan Food in Park City, Utah last Sunday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Park City, Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, you nailed him.
unidentified		You really nailed him.
unidentified		Do you want me to fact see a newspaper headline to prove it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I believe you.
		I believe you.
		And I thank you for trashing that panel.
unidentified		You have a good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you too, sir.
		Blew you guys away, huh?
		She's really up there.
		She's in Utah.
		And he really did meet Jeff meets Maggie in the little grocery store in Utah.
		See, you people have to be careful.
		You're easily fooled.
		Easily fooled.
		On our truth or trash line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Howdy, Mr. Bell.
		I got a good one for you.
		Where are you?
		I'm calling from Portland, Oregon.
		My hands are still sweating, and it scared the heck out of me with that lady said.
		I believe her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're getting so cynical in this country.
unidentified		What is your first name?
unidentified		My name's Todd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Todd, all right.
unidentified		Let's see.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		About two years ago, well, it was right during the Nicole Brown Simpson-style thing.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		Me and a bunch of buddies were camping in one of the most remote places in Oregon, up there, Three Sisters Wilderness, Batolius River area.
unidentified		Okay.
		Let me see.
		How do I start?
		Well, okay.
		You've got to take four-wheel drives to get up there.
		The road's really ready.
		It's about 30 miles of ready roads.
		It takes about two hours to get up to where we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		We all have our own little tents, made our own little campsite, whatnot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		In the middle of the night, the fire was burning low.
unidentified		Somebody approached my tent.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		I was on the outskirts further away than everybody else, and I just figured it was one of my friends going to pull up the tent peg, you know, and have a little fun with me.
		And I could see it was a pretty large person, but you can't really tell when you see a reflection.
		So I'm taking a look at that and figure, ah, well, they're not going to mess with me.
unidentified		I'll just go ahead and go to sleep.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		Well, it turns out the next day, we're all talking about it, and this pretty large person made a visit to everybody's tent.
		Most of us heard it and saw it, and basically whatnot.
		We just, you know, it's excellent fishing, so we, you know, pretty much just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you trying to tell us you were peaked by Bigfoot?
unidentified		Well, yeah, and let me tell you why even more.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		Where we go fishing and all around, there's no trails.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		Nobody goes up here, just some deer trails.
unidentified		And, you know, Oregon's pretty brushy.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		We get a lot of rain, so it's all overgrown, and you can only get a few little places here and there to poke your rod in to go fishing.
unidentified		Yeah.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		Well, good summer, or summarization there about the Bigfoot thing.
unidentified		Pretty smart, they're misspelled.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		But I took off, you know, headed upstream, saw one of my friends leave, and being there's rattlesnakes and whatnot, you know, I figured, you know, I'm staying here.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		So we go on, or I, you know, follow him a couple minutes later.
unidentified		Yeah.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		And I'm heading off, and I hear my friend fall.
unidentified		You know, he's down along by the river.
unidentified		I hear him fall, hear the rocks tumble.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		I'm going, wow, you know, Bruce probably bummed his knee there.
unidentified		He might be helped.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		So I walk over, and then it wasn't Bruce.
		Bruce does not smell that bad, just to put it succinctly.
		The hair stood up on the back of my neck.
		I was looking for a tree to climb, but because the snow gets pretty deep there in the wintertime, so the branches, they were all small and stunted, scared the heck out of me.
unidentified		I just backed up, took off, turned out I had passed Bruce.
tyler in oklahoma ▲ ● ▼		It was not Bruce.
unidentified		And basically, I believe we were peaked by a Bigfoot.
unidentified		I ended up smelling him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Todd, can you hold on?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm putting you on hold.
		I have a commercial I've got to do while people consider what you just said.
		Todd peaked by Bigfoot.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, okay, here we go.
Truth or Trash? 00:08:14
unidentified		Peaked by Bigfoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine the sight of the tent coming up?
		The stench of Bigfoot wafting through the tent.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Todd's peaked by Bigfoot story?
unidentified		Well, actually, I believe it's true.
unidentified		This is Rebecca calling from Marysville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rebecca.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's true?
unidentified		I think it's true.
		In fact, my brother Tom had a very similar experience in the Cascade Mountains on a camping trip at least 12, 13 years ago.
		So I believe that it's 100% true because my brother had a witness.
		His friend also had seen something that looked very strange and looked like Bigfoot.
		Saskatchewan.
		As we know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of Sask-Watched.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Sask-watched.
		Did you get that?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Todd's Peaked by Bigfoot story, truth or trash.
unidentified		All right, Bill, I love you, bad.
unidentified		It's trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash, huh?
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		That's two for trash, one for truth.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Todd's Bigfoot story?
unidentified		I think it's trash.
		Oh.
		It sounds like some of the stories I used to do when I used to go fishing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you told fishing stories like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lies?
unidentified		Yes, I used to tell Bigfoot stories to my buddies and stuff when we all went camping and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you probably go out with a chain and a board and you make crop circles too, don't you?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Not listen to that go that far.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry, Todd, they have trashed you.
unidentified		Oh, that's okay.
		I guess I don't tell a very good truth.
		It's the Todd's own truth.
		Got a few witnesses to back me up.
		Didn't see any footprints, but it's the truth, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the absolute truth?
unidentified		Absolute truth.
unidentified		I might put an inch or two on a fish, but no, I wouldn't lie about anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		So you'd prevaricate a little about a fish, but never about Bigfoot.
		And you swear on Bigfoot possibly coming to get you if you're lying that it's the truth.
unidentified		Oh, I swear he can bring his plebeian friends with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		The panel goes down in flames once again.
		Not doing very well, are you?
		I think you nailed it.
		The panel has nailed it, what?
		One time so far tonight.
		One time?
		Yes, once.
		Oh, there's Dolores.
		Spiders and Webs.
		And the tale of the evil Oregon people.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, on my truth or a trash line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I got a story for you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name?
unidentified		Owen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Owen, and where are you, Owen?
unidentified		Princeton, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lay it on us.
unidentified		Okay, last summer I was fishing and, well, you know that Blinkie on the Simpsons with three eyes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The what?
unidentified		You know the radioactive fish on the Simpsons with three eyes?
		No.
		Well, we caught a fish that had two tails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's disgusting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you do with it?
unidentified		We threw it back in the lake.
unidentified		We were sold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you know, you'd have to wonder about that.
		I mean, would that be the right thing to do?
		Or could you throw that two-tailed fish back in the lake possibly have caused or allowed it to multiply, causing more two-tailed fish and genetic change forever.
		Have you ever wondered about that?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		We never fished on that lake again, I'll tell you.
		We got off that lake mighty quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so that's your story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You caught a fish with two tails.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		I mean, was the water dirty or it seemed like a clean lake, but totally disgusting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like having four gills or something.
		All right, hold on a minute, Owen.
		Let's find out how they rate this fish story.
		A fish with two tails, caught and then released.
		What do you think?
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, there's stuff like that.
		You know, I mean, I don't think it was like radiation or anything like that, but, you know, you find stuff like, you know, mutations and stuff, so I think it's truth.
		Truth?
		Would you have thrown it back?
		No, I probably would have kept it, you know, get some formaldehyde and keep it in a jar or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charge admission, something.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		He says it is the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Owen's fish story.
		What do you think, truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, I think it's the truth, because we got whirling disease out here in the west.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whirling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's where the fish goes round and round and round?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then dies?
unidentified		Well, no, no, they don't die.
		They're just horribly deformed.
		But would you have thrown it back?
		now i would not know you would have uh... put it in for malvehyde or you know just how i would take it to the taxidermist away Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had it stuffed.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		There's two for the truth.
		Gee, Owen is doing very well here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air, Owen's fish story.
		The fish with two tails.
		I'm doing okay.
unidentified		I believe something like that could happen, you know, because did that happen out in the west?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Owen, where was it?
unidentified		Princeton, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Princeton, Minnesota.
unidentified		Okay, well, it's nowhere near Hanford, Washington, so chances are a little bit slimmer.
		But yeah, I think it could happen.
		But tell you, Owen, why didn't you mount the fish?
		We were so scared.
		We just threw that thing back in as quick as we could.
		So it flipped you out, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it could scare you.
unidentified		Okay, I got to change my verdict to trash.
		Trash?
		That's trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that makes...
		Gee, you were just about to send him over the top.
		Instead, you didn't.
		And so we've got to keep going here.
		Wildcard line, Owen's fish story.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Excellent question.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, Owen.
		Anywhere in that area, was there an Army Corps of Engineers years ago?
		Army Corps of Engineers.
		I'm not sure.
		You're not sure.
		Because I know it's possible it could be.
		I'll say trash and trash.
		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's two and two, Owen.
		You're slipping here.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Owen's story, truth or trash.
unidentified		I have met the Bigfoot creature.
unidentified		He's the most fairy hat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has nothing to do with this air?
		Well, yeah, goodbye.
		Has nothing to do with Bigfoot or me or the number of baths I take.
		Owen Story, truth or trash?
unidentified		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Owen, you have been trashed.
unidentified		I guess they got two right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean it is trash?
unidentified		It is 100% trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Owen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from March 6th, 1996.
		And we are doing Truth or Trash to the top of the hour at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And here we go again.
		On our Truth or Trash line, you are upon the air.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get you on the air right.
		Let's see.
		There.
		Now you're on the air, I think.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		This is Milo in El Paso.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Milo in El Peso.
unidentified		I'm listening on KOB out of Albuquerque.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Albuquerque.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		Right, because our station dumps you at three.
unidentified		Well, sorry to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't dump us really.
unidentified		Well, you know, I've called the station a thousand times.
unidentified		They won't, I don't know.
Milo's Mountain Story 00:06:26
unidentified		They got this thing about the guy that's on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they do have other obligations, Milo.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		Well, their priorities are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be kind, Milo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be kind.
unidentified		Two affiliates.
		Okay, they're probably listening, right?
		They probably are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so Milo, you've got a story for us.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got a story.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		In 1952, I was four years old, and I lived in a little island called Okinawa with my father, who was in the service, and I lived on top of the mountain, or on top of the island, the ridge of the island, in a little neighborhood called Awasi.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		And on the, right out my backyard, was a tall growth of bamboo, which served as a fence for most thoughtful people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		But for children, I mean, we could get through those stalks without much trouble, and we did.
		And one day, me and the next-door neighbor and my brother went down the precipice, which was just beyond this growth of bamboo.
		And we went down this muddy little, wasn't even, there was no path because no one had been there, you know, in years.
unidentified		Sure.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		So we kind of crept down this precipice in the dank and dark jungle is the way it felt to us as little children.
		And we came upon a big, huge slab of rusty steel leaning up against a, you know, just kind of leaning up against the side of the mountain.
		But there was enough room for us to crawl in to the hole that this big slab was covering.
		And we went in there, and when there was enough light in there, when our eyes adjusted, we found ourselves in this cave full of little miniature temples made out of porcelain with blue ink, you know, with blue detailing, little porcelain urns.
		And we, you know, we played around in these little urns for a while, and then we figured out that the tops of the temples were actually lids.
		And we pushed one of these urn lids aside, and we looked in there, and there was a skull in there, and there were bones.
		There was the bones of somebody in that temple.
		And for four-year-old, five-year-old children, it was a terrorizing experience.
unidentified		We dashed out of there.
frank whalen ▲ ● ▼		We thought that the person was chasing us.
		We ran or climbed back up and beyond the bamboo and back in the house.
		And I've never told anybody about this until now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Milo, stand by.
		Bones and bamboo.
		That's Milo's story on the island of Okinawa.
		I could make a comment right now, but it would color how this will turn out.
		So I am not going to do that.
		I am simply going to go to the lines and say, what do you think about Milo's story?
		Bones and bamboo.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Milo's story?
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		You know, I didn't really hear it.
unidentified		I had the radio turned off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thanks for the call then.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		What do you think of Milo's story?
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		I'm sorry, I missed that right story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thanks for the call then.
		And we'll go to the wildcard line.
		You're on the air.
		Milo's story, truth or trash.
unidentified		Fascinating.
unidentified		Obviously, the man is full of trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Okay, thank you very much.
		He trashed Milo's story.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		That was pretty terrible.
unidentified		That's trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		They're too young.
unidentified		Four or five-year-old kids crawling through bamboo and find a mysterious urn in the side of a mountain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Milo's story, truth or trash.
unidentified		Hello, trash out there, crap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me tell you something.
unidentified		You're all wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet you any amount of money, Milo's story is the truth.
		I lived on Okinawa.
		I went into caves.
		I participated in the cleaning of bones.
		The Okinawan people have as their religion a form of Buddhism which is actually closer to ancestor worship.
		And once a year, those bones are religiously cleaned.
		I'll bet you anything that story is true.
		You all are wrong.
		Right, Milo?
unidentified		Exactly right.
unidentified		That story is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, I lived on Okinawa for 10 years, Milo.
		I know exactly what the case was, but I'd have blown it for you.
		And you certainly took him down one, two, three, Milo.
unidentified		I'm so proud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
unidentified		See you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I knew that Milo had you on that one.
		That is how they bury the dead on Okinawa.
		And it is with great reverence that I was allowed once to participate in that ceremony, and you clean the bones of your dead relatives.
		It's absolutely true.
		Absolutely true.
		On my truth or trash line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Dave in Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dave in Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dave, do you have a story for us?
unidentified		Back in the early 60s, from about 62 to 65, I lived on the island of Guam where my father was a teacher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And during Typhoon Karen, which was November 11, 1962, it broke the wind speed indicator at 252 miles an hour and blew our house away.
		So they moved us to the north end of the island where it was called Ritidian Point.
		It was an old World War II runway where they took off to bomb Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say 252 miles per hour?
unidentified		Yeah, I broke the wind speed indicator.
		It's one of the worst typhoons in the history of the planet.
		We also had one in May of 76 called Typhoon Pamela.
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unidentified		And I think that was about 241.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, people are generally unaware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Typhoons, as a general rule, get to far higher speeds than do hurricanes because they have larger, warmer expanses of ocean to cross.
unidentified		Right.
		And in the northern hemisphere, they're both really hurricanes or both typhoons.
		It's just they both move counterclockwise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So anyway, you know, you know, so the story was this, is when I was about, in 1964, I was 17, and a friend and I were out at sea, and we had learned that there was a Russian spy ship sitting out, and it was a three-mile limit in those days, sitting off of Guam, full of antennas and all kind of array of stuff, you know, and the U-2 flights, some U-2 flights used to take off there from Anderson Air Force Base on the north end of the island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bet they did, yes.
unidentified		And so we got an idea that we'll go out there and trade them cigarettes and lettuce and get some potato vodka, you know.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were going to go out and in what?
unidentified		Well, we had a boat, you know, a motorboat, you know what I mean?
unidentified		It was about 32 feet long and it had a diesel engine in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were going to go out to the Russian trawler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're called, I think.
unidentified		That's it, it's a Russian trawler.
unidentified		And it was a pretty big one, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were going to trade them smokes for vodka.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And we used to do a lot of trawling for what's known as Wahoo over there, Mahi Mahi, and, you know, tuna and everything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So that was our excuse.
		We're out fishing, you know, trolling, trying to pick up some tuna bonita or whatever, you know.
		And we came up alongside and we held up some cigarettes and a bag of lettuce and stuff that we'd purchased, you know.
		And so they waved us up close and put out a couple fenders, you know, and next thing, you know, we couldn't understand them.
		They couldn't understand us, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But there were guys there with guns and everything, and we were looking at the array and all the radar and the antennas and whatever, you know.
		So we got four bottles of potato vodka.
		We're all excited.
		Soon as we get back to the boat basin area, it was known as the Aganya Boat Basin.
		Guam had been previously run by the Navy and it still had a big, huge Navy presence as it does today.
		The ONI Office of Naval Investigation was there.
		The FBI was there.
		So they interrogated us, you know, and we told them what was going on.
		They took the vodka away.
		We're too young.
		I was only 17.
		Gave us a rash of hell, which you wouldn't believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an incredible story.
unidentified		Well, here's a kicker, if you wouldn't mind, please.
		After they called my parents in and gave us all the hill, and then they wanted to know what did we see, and we told them everything we saw.
		Well, it was just about four months later.
		I was riding my bicycle in Northwest Field again, which is on the northern end of the island.
		And it's right next door to Anderson Air Force Base.
		Well, the jungle, as is probably in Okinawa, where you're at, it's very dense.
		Yes.
		And, you know, okay, so anyway, I put my bike down.
		I was following the trail.
		I was looking for some wild pigs back in there.
		I figured this would be a good place to go hunting or something.
		And I kept walking, walking, got lost.
		And next thing you know, I had ended up on Anderson Air Force Base's, I don't know what you call it, but now I forgot.
		But anyway, they claimed that they didn't have nuclear missiles there or anything.
		And sure enough, I ended up there where they had nuclear missiles that had the radiation symbols on it and everything.
		And I must have tripped something because the APs came down and grabbed me.
		Then the FBI and everything.
		And boy, I tell you what, I was in so much trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stumbled in nukes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we're going with it.
unidentified		Well, now, and I'd been with the Russians before that, so I'm thinking I'm a spy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, Dave, I understand.
		If I were you, I wouldn't travel out of the country.
		Stand by.
		All right.
		Dave's incredible tobacco for vodka swamp motorboated out to a Russian spy vessel.
		What an incredible story.
		All right.
		I've got Bob on video.
		He said, this guy talks pretty fast, but it is the truth.
		So you get the first vote, Bob, on Vidian.
		One for truth, and here we go.
		We're going to go fishing ourselves right now.
		East of the Rockies, Dave's Tobacco for Vodka story.
unidentified		James and Ron's well, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's the truth?
unidentified		I sure do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's a pretty tall tale.
unidentified		Well, I think that trading cigarettes for vodka is a good idea.
unidentified		I'd sure try it if I was to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they got his vodka anyway, according to his story.
unidentified		They probably drank it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, they probably did.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I mean, what do you suppose they do with vodka like that, huh?
		You think they just dump it down the drains after they confiscate it?
		Fat chance.
		Well, that's two for the truth.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Dave's incredible spy story.
		What do you think?
unidentified		I think it's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The trash, in other words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's absolute trash?
unidentified		Trash.
		Why?
		I don't know.
		It sounds just a little too thought out.
		A little too many details about where he lives and this and that place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little too James Bondy for you.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		You got to distract us from how ludicrous it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, all right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Dave's tobacco and vodka swap story.
unidentified		Yeah, this guy's pretty smooth.
unidentified		I think he's trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think he's too smooth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was told too well, so it's got to be garbage.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Where are you?
		I'm in Texas.
		Texas.
		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just too smooth a talker for him.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Dave's tobacco for vodka swap story.
ryan in idaho ▲ ● ▼		No, his story is absolutely true because it's only the politicians here in Duluth, Minnesota that could baffle you and put you under the river.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Well, Dave, you made it the truth by one vote.
		Yeah.
		Three to two.
		They say it's the truth.
		What do you think?
unidentified		Well, it is absolutely true.
		And the reason I was talking so fast is because I was trying to get this very long story, and I was trying to get it really short and get it in.
		But I'm originally from Texas, so that Texas boy should know that I'm from Dallas originally.
		But I spent 25 years of my life on and off in Guam and even owned a snack food manufacturing company there and was general manager of some hotels there and on Saipan and on the big island of Hawaii in the past.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what, Dave, I'll bet you, you know, when you go out of the country now, they take your passport and they type in a computer.
		And that computer tells them all kinds of really cool, interesting things.
		And if you ever travel out of the country, Dave.
unidentified		I'm on my fourth passport.
unidentified		I've been traveling out of the country since 1959.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's 1949 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely a true story.
unidentified		Absolutely true story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd swear on a vodka.
unidentified		I'd like to go to prison forever, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd swear on a bottle of vodka.
unidentified		I swear on a bottle of potato vodka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they drank it, Dave?
unidentified		I'm sure that those guys drank it.
		You know what I mean?
		What they were really interested in when they interrogated us is what did we really see out there?
		What kind of, you know, of hardware, you know, because we've got a real good close look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what you should have done, Dave?
		You should have sat there, even at 17, crossed your arms, and said, you guys want to know what we saw?
		Bring back my vodka.
		And I'll bet you you'd have gotten it.
unidentified		Have a good day.
unidentified		All right, well, thank you much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have a good morning, Dave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		To our truth or trash line, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your first name, sir?
unidentified		Doug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doug.
unidentified		A.S.D., St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In St. Louis.
		All right, Doug.
		You've got a story for us, I take it.
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		When I was 17, I made a decision to join the service and went into the Navy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And so I got out of boot camp and stationed on the ship.
		And I was in for about two months.
		And they had some minor problems with some of my superiors, but nothing really too special.
		Sure.
		And one day we got up, went to roll call, and they said there was going to be a meeting at 100 hours and 10 o'clock in the morning for people to own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, good touch, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good touch.
unidentified		And there was going to be some special duty.
		So we all met in our compartment and they wanted to volunteer.
		We're going to have a observer.
		It's supposed to be outside the skin of the ship while we were launching a harpoon missile.
		In fact, when we were testing them, this is many years ago.
		Sure.
		My ship is no longer afloat.
		I don't think it should be classified information.
		But they wanted to volunteer for starboard lookout.
		And nobody volunteered.
		Except for when nobody volunteered, this one kid, he was real straight-laced.
		He wanted to volunteer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And first mate, he wouldn't let him.
		He turned to me and said, this is a job for you, Parker.
		It really wouldn't look good if you didn't do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were volunteering you.
unidentified		Yeah, I got volunteered.
		So I met this cameraman.
		He escorted me up to the bridge.
		He was telling me what the job was.
		Basically pretty easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were going to get to watch the harpoon take off, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I was supposed to be outside on the starboard bridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
		Okay.
		We've got to hurry along here.
unidentified		Basically all it is, you start out at T minus 20.
		You do a countdown.
		And at T minus 10, they ask you a yes or no question.
		Is the deck secure?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And that's all there is to it.
		There's a countdown.
		If anything's out of ordinary, they say no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not secure, and they stopped the countdown.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		They have to restart it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		Why, supposedly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Protocol.
		Well, next stop, we were walking through a special restricted area by the captain's quarters, and I met the captain.
		And he seemed face was completely white.
		It was hunched over.
		He seemed very distraught.
		And he mumbled something that sounded like, whatever happens, you have full authority.
		And then he went into his cabin.
		I looked at the cameraman.
		He looked at me.
		We both shrugged our shoulders when walked in on to the bridge area.
		And he showed me the camera, which had a strange format, like 16 millimeter, I believe.
		I'm not sure.
		It's been so many years.
		We had a big canister on the back of it.
		When the last of the tape comes out, it goes into this canister.
		It's got a special seal.
		It's sealed.
		It was being put on our helicopter.
		It was flown to the USS America.
		It was stuck on the USS America.
		It was put on a jet.
		It was floating straight to the Pentagon.
		So what do you we've got to get to it here, Doug?
		What had happened?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean.
unidentified		Well, once after a couple minutes into the launch, somebody appeared on the bridge wing behind me.
		It was off-camera.
		It had the executive officer of the ship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Second in command.
unidentified		Quick, Doug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're running out of time here.
unidentified		He was so drunk he couldn't stand up.
unidentified		So I stopped the launch twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you stopped it for a drunken first officer?
unidentified		Executive officer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Executive officer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		And I figured out why my captain was so distraught.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to have to hold it there, Doug.
		A drunken harpoon launch.
		In the interest of time, we're almost out of time.
		East of the Rockies, Doug's story.
		What do you think about that?
unidentified		Sir, I think that I believe in the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon?
unidentified		I believe the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe the story?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Truth or trash?
		No?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Truth or trash?
unidentified		Well, I think it's trash.
ryan in idaho ▲ ● ▼		And if it's the truth, it should be classified anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you may have a point there.
		You certainly may have a point there.
		I mean, that really is significant protocol breach.
		West of the Rockies, what do you think, Doug Story, truth or trash?
		Nobody's going to do that.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Doug Story, truth or trash?
unidentified		I think it's trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You think it's trash?
		Okay, that's two for trash.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Doug Story, truth or trash.
		What do you think?
		No?
		West of the Rockies, truth or trash?
unidentified		True.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True.
		All right, the next one's going to decide it, folks.
		That's it.
		We've got two for truth, and we've got two for trash.
		Doug's drunken harpoon launch story in the Navy.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		What do you think?
		Truth or trash?
		Hello there.
		East of the Rockies, truth or trash?
unidentified		Trash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Trash.
		Okay, that's it.
		We have trashed Doug.
		Doug, they say, well, Doug's gone.
		No, he's not.
		Yes, he is.
		Doug's gone.
		Probably fell off the deck.
		Well, that's it, everybody.
		We'll never know about that harpoon.
unidentified		Damn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert, this is the truth.

Chapters

00:00:09 Obvious Question: Cloning Souls?
00:02:14 Plugging In: Parallel Connections
00:05:13 Open Line, Unscreened Talk Radio
00:07:51 Giant Brake Light Sighting
00:17:40 Cloning and Morality
00:20:10 Talking About 1996
00:23:17 Arrest For Cloning
00:28:01 The Macintosh Dilemma
00:32:11 Terminating Life: Moral Considerations
00:35:51 Cloning Controversy
00:51:10 Scared Of Cloning
01:03:53 Velma's Truth or Trash
01:19:23 Worth Missing
01:20:05 Incense And Peppermint
01:35:47 Jeff Meets Maggie: Explanation Required
01:51:22 Truth or Trash?
01:59:21 Milo's Mountain Story
02:05:33 Doug's Vodka Adventure