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March 7, 1996 - Art Bell
01:49:02
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland & Nick Begich - NASA's Tethered Satellite and HAARP
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🎵Music🎵 From the high desert in the great American southwest, kind
of a midpoint for what we're about to do...
I bid you good morning from the Hawaiian and Southeastern Islands, all the way across this great nation to the Caribbean and the U.S.
Virgin Islands, south, well into South America, north to the pole.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Mark Bell.
And I'm going to do something in a few minutes I've wanted to do now for quite some time.
Number one.
Richard Hoagland is back.
We've got him with us this morning.
Richard Hoagland, a NASA consultant, science advisor to Walter Cronkite, Eastern Science Award winner in New York, is with us.
He knows more now about the CFS Untethered Satellite Project, and he thinks it's related to parts Many, many, many, many time zones away.
I've also got Dr. Nick Beggitt, author of Angels Don't Play This Harp.
And I thought it high time that I get them together.
So we're gonna do that here in just a moment.
It should be very interesting.
Alright, I want to remind everyone...
Alright, just two more little items...
One is, Videon is now up, and those of you who call, I've got a little photograph here of the untethered satellite glowing, as Richard would say, like a giant exclamation point in space.
And those who call on Videon this morning, I will try to hold that photograph up for you so you can see it.
Reuters story just cleared the wire and it's on AP as well.
Computer glitches are creating problems for the space shuttle Columbia.
The glitch is in a computer system that relays information from the shuttle's landing systems to its onboard computer.
It means the shuttle flight might have to land at its backup landing site at Edwards Air Force Base in California Friday rather than Kennedy Uh, in Florida.
NASA says the crew is not in danger.
NASA prefers to land in Florida to save the expense of ferrying the shuttle.
And the rest goes back to its Florida base.
So they're talking about a Friday landing now.
Possibly at Edwards, and that is the latest news that I've got hot off the wire.
Now, let's see if we can do what we want to do here.
Let's go to New York.
Richard Hoagland, are you there?
I am in New York.
Good.
Let's now see if we can go to Alaska and connect with Dr. Nick Begich.
Are you there, doctor?
Yes, I am.
Can you hear each other?
Yes, I can hear Nick fine.
Okay.
Isn't it amazing what technology can do?
It is when you consider that not only are you two now speaking across zillions of miles and time zones, but you're also worldwide on the internet.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Listen, gentlemen.
I would just like to hear, you two are just meeting each other for the first time, so I'd kind of like to sit back and hear an exchange between you.
And Richard, I would think you might want to start.
I know you've got a lot of late news and things to fill us in on since you and I have missed each other for a few days here.
Well, all right.
To kind of catch up on where we are, we have a shuttle about to come home, hopefully with seven astronauts in good health when they land.
We don't exactly know at this hour.
I've got CNN here with the sound down so I can, you know, relay any late bulletins.
We don't know whether they're going to pick the Cape or Edwards.
They've been very much up in the air.
Since our last shows, what has happened is a lot of grassroots folks In Alaska, in particular, a couple that I'd like to single out, Jan Eller and Richard Lamp, have been providing me documentation of what we suspected, but did not have the paperwork to prove on the last show that we did, namely a traceable, you know, paper trail connection between this civilian project, this pure scientific research project on the shuttle called the Tethered Satellite,
And a military project that has rather interesting implications and permutations that I'm sure Nick will fill us in on in Alaska called HAARP.
Since our last conversation, Art, we now have an unequivocal connection between these two projects.
And what's interesting to me is that normally when we were conducting military operations with the space shuttle, What the DOD would do would be to basically commandeer a flight.
They would put up either an optical observation satellite, a radar observation satellite, or some other set of experiments.
They would basically put a news blackout over the mission.
The mission was announced as a military mission.
Even the launch time was kept secret, although that's kind of silly because all the reporters
just hung out at the bars at, you know, Coquille Beach and just watched out the windows to
see when the thing was going to leave.
It's kind of hard to launch a shuttle in secret, so that never made much sense.
And you know, everybody kind of played this game that, okay, there's certain things they're
doing we're not supposed to know, and there were speculations in the press.
And the New York Times and John Pike would come on from the American Federation of Scientists
and, you know, extol and importune that, you know, this money was being wasted on things
that now the Cold War was over that weren't really needed.
Well, that's all fine and good, but at least we knew that there was a military project underway and that NASA was basically providing the truck.
For this particular mission, It really is beginning to look more and more, and I know that I'm speculating here, but it's looking more and more from the paperwork, that what we had was a military mission masquerading under the guise of a civilian, purely scientific research project.
And it got away from us.
Uh, uh, well, alright.
Um, Dr. Baggett, uh, isn't that kind of what you think HAARP is?
It's the thing where it gets fixed.
Oh, well, alright.
Um, Dr. Begich, uh, isn't that kind of what you think HAARP is?
It's the same word game.
It's the same, uh, way they've, uh, characterized this program.
Purely research, scientific research, uh, no military mission, and yet...
When anyone looks at the documents, we've all seen that by this stage of the game, they clearly see it as a joint project by the Navy and Air Force.
And what has come out on this teller is certainly getting a lot more interesting as the days wear on.
Well, I want to give proper credit to Mr. Palma, who, when I sent him some of the NASA paperwork and he started doing the calculations, he realized that, you know, if you want to generate power with a 13-mile-long piece of wire, this is a very inefficient way to do it.
But that it would make one dang good low-frequency antenna.
In fact, it would be a very low-frequency, ELF, extreme low-frequency antenna, dangling, you know, 200 miles up, more or less, aimed straight down as a dipole, always toward the center of the Earth.
And the more I looked into the HAARP literature, and what Bruce had come up with in terms of his speculation, the more I realized that This thing really seems to have a double duty.
And in fact, the power generation aspect almost was window dressing, PR.
And I will give you an example of how kind of skilly the so-called power generation excuse that has been presented to us seems to be.
We have an 1100 pound satellite.
The satellite itself, built by the Italian Space Agency, is crammed with all kinds of things which, you know, I don't know how four experiments can weigh 1,100 pounds.
You know, we sent probes to Jupiter and Saturn where the instrumentation weighed 10 pounds, 15 pounds, 5 pounds.
What kind of scientific gear would they have crammed into this thing to weigh 1,100 pounds, gentlemen?
My question is, if you're going to be using a satellite deployed from the shuttle to generate electric power, then why have we been hearing for the last week that the batteries were dead?
Wouldn't it make sense if you were going to perform an experiment to generate power?
That you would put a circuit on board the satellite so the power you generated could be used to recharge the batteries?
Of course.
To demonstrate proof of principle?
I mean, nowhere in this, either in the cargo bay of the shuttle or in the satellite, is there one piece of equipment designed to capture the power that's been generated.
Alright, can we go back to basics for a second?
Here we've got this long tether out there.
Seven miles of it.
Yeah.
Do the two of you agree that the length of the tether, uh, would lend itself to, um, the acceptance of or the receiving of something from HAARP?
Oh, unquestionably.
It is a 13 mile long tuned resonator.
If you irradiate it, it can break in anytime you want, but if you irradiate this thing dangling in what's called the F-layer of the ionosphere, moving around the Earth every 90 minutes at roughly 17,500 miles an hour.
If you irradiate it from a transmitter anywhere on the Earth, With the appropriate frequency that matches the impedance and the size of the antenna.
Right.
Which is roughly 13 to 14 kilohertz.
Alright, that's the primary frequency.
Then this little dipole, this 13 mile long dipole, this wire hanging straight down, will re-radiate like crazy in resonance to that incoming electromagnetic energy being beamed to it literally from any place on the Earth.
Because of the low frequency, if the transmitter, let's say, was the HAARP transmitter, located in Alaska, at roughly 62 degrees north and 145 degrees west.
Is that about right, Doctor?
Yes.
Because of the trapping properties and ducting waveguide properties of the ionosphere, which acts basically like a radial mirror, Those very, very, very low frequency radio waves will
literally bounce their way around the curvature of the Earth
until they cross this antenna, which then will resonate with them wondrously
and will re-radiate them in a spherical pattern straight down over whatever it happens to be passing over at that
moment in its orbit around the Earth, which is where the orbit
itself becomes a very interesting thing to look at, which of course in the last couple, three days, we have
been looking at it.
And the orbit is passing over some very interesting things, and the most interesting thing for me, Nick,
is it's passing directly every 90 minutes, well, actually only for one period of time every 90 minutes,
and then it would come back over a period of a week and it would pass over it again
because the orbit is not constant, it is shifting backward because of some complexities of celestial mechanics.
But for a time period, let's say a window, for a day or so, this spacecraft, this antenna, will pass directly over the Great Pyramid at Giza.
And I think that's what they're looking for.
Regards, gentlemen, and Nick, I know you don't know this, but you're going to have one heck of an aha experience.
The sighting of the HAARP transmitter at 62 North and 145 West is perfect for the hyperdimensional connection to probing the Giza Plateau from Alaska.
Now, I guess we need to catch Nick up a little bit.
Nick, are you familiar with Richard's hyperdimensional physics?
No, I'm not.
All right.
It goes to... It's not Richard, it's actually Maxwell.
All I am is kind of... Maxwell's mouth?
James Maxwell.
James First Maxwell.
Yeah, I said it.
Maxwell's now.
That's right.
Um, in other words, you're saying that this antenna, glowing as it is, and it is incredibly glowing, is glowing because of a power source, HAARP, or, uh, power that is there?
Not necessarily, alright?
The reason it's glowing, and this is where I think that the guys who planned this did not understand what they were dealing with, they're looking at a combination of brilliance and dumbness.
You know, arrogance and stupidity, all in one package.
Alright?
These people think they're God, because no one, there are no checks and balances.
They've been getting away for the last 50 years with carrying out an increasing series of escalating experiments all over the Earth, with unlimited money, without accountability in the Congress, and they think they can do anything, and this finally has hit them in a very delicate part of their anatomy.
What happened on Sunday night to the astronauts was not supposed to happen.
All right.
What is happening now with the tethers was not supposed to happen.
What they have not realized is that by putting a 13-mile long direct short between two layers of the ionosphere, in the fact that the Earth is driving a hyperdimensional generator and generating enormous current, both in terms of voltage and amperage down that wire, they have created a visible symbol of their playing around with forces that are bigger than all of us.
And that may or may not be interfering with their purpose, which was to do some clandestine experiments with nobody noticing.
The scenario that I proposed that they had planned was that after the day of experiments with the shuttle, where they talk about generating power and doing all that stuff, they were supposed to reel the tethered satellites back into the cargo bay by, you know, basically reversing the fishing line, you know, model here.
And I am proposing that they would have announced that, oh, whoops, we have a problem, Houston.
We can't reel it back in.
And then Houston would have said, well, gentlemen, you obviously have to go to Plan B, jettison the tethered satellite.
And they would have tossed the antenna and the satellite and the wire and the tower out of the payload bay so they could close the doors and come home.
And this thing would have been left there in Earth orbit with them safely on the way home and nobody would ever have even noticed or questioned that in fact it was not dead, Jim.
It was providing its own power and it was going to perform a series of experiments without anybody noticing.
But something happened.
Serendipity stepped in.
And on Friday night at 7.30 Central Standard Time, as it was about to cross the equator at the terminator, precisely at sunset, somebody in their brilliance at the computer opened the circuit for four minutes, so that an enormous voltage, maybe 100, 200, 300,000 volts, filled up in this 13 mile long wire.
And it zapped over to the ground at the shuttle, Flying the tether, melting it in space, which pulled apart like taffy.
You can see that on the close-up TV.
Now, I don't want to stop you there, because we talked about this the other night on the radio without your presence, Richard.
And I said, look, I've seen the tether, where it was separated, and I couldn't see any char marks.
Then I added, well, maybe in space you don't char when you burn.
And you said, but it pulled apart like taffy, which means, in essence, as plaster does, it virtually melted.
It melted!
It melted, and cleanly so, and when you look at it, it looks like it melted!
Now, the Kevlar did this color.
There is a kind of an orangish-darkish area on one side, on the enhanced photos that I've been able to grab from CNN.
We have some very sophisticated, you know, imaging equipment here, and we've been able to take some of these and look at them.
But it looks exactly like if you were to take a piece of plastic, you know, let's say a soda straw, and hold it in a candle flame and pull her apart.
You'd get a very skinny set of strands before it broke.
The point is that when that event happened, it generated one heck of a spark.
God knows how much amperage.
Remember Tesla used to play around with millions and millions of volts?
If an amperage was nothing, that's why he could play with it and hold lightbulbs in his hands and have it play around his hair and his fingers and all that.
If you put any amperage, amperage is simply electrons, numbers of electrons, together with voltage, which is pressure.
You put those two together and you have potentially a deadly combination.
And in essence, what I think happened is that a little bomb went off in that payload bay at the top of that tower.
An electromagnetic bomb, because you basically had a direct short, it leaked across from each other to the shuttle, and in space with no air, you know, just the F layer of the atmosphere, which is very, very thin up there, it had to have been hundreds of thousands of volts.
to jump that couple of feet.
At which point, all hell literally broke loose in that shuttle.
And that is why they sounded so panicked.
Including the crashing of the computer, no doubt, that they've just figured out has crashed.
Well, I think what we can reasonably extrapolate, even from known physics,
is that if you have a huge electric arc discharge relatively close to very sensitive,
solid-state electronic devices, you wind up with a lot of computers going...
Yeah, sure.
Anybody who walks across the room and touches their computer at the wrong time knows about that.
Exactly.
Alright, listen, Richard.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
When we come back, we'll turn to Dr. Nick Bogut for a moment.
and get his take on HAARP, what HAARP is, and how HAARP might be connected, or could be connected,
or whether it is connected, and I've got a feeling they agree on that, to what's going on in space
right now.
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ArchCNN just reported that the Central Columbia will attempt to land at 5.52 AM this morning.
That's Pacific Time.
Martin and Albuquerque reporting that, but not telling us when.
Where it's going to land?
I would imagine at that hour, it would be... It would be Florida, you would think.
Or maybe not necessarily so at all.
So, we don't know yet where it's coming down.
I guess we've got a time.
In a moment, back to Dr. Nick Begich and Richard Hoagland, separated by many a time zone.
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All right, now, uh, back to my two guests, Richard Hoffman and Dr. Nick Vegas.
And Dr. Vegas, now, if you could give a very quick overview Of what HAARP is, what do you know about it?
That would help a lot of listeners that are new to all this, I'm sure.
See, HAARP is a joint venture between the Air Force and Navy.
It is a program operating in Alaska.
It is an extremely large radio frequency transmitter with an effective radiated power at this figure phase of up to 1 billion watts of power.
What's happening at this point is it's going into a number of tests this year.
In fact, a test beginning March 16th will be testing Earth-penetrating tomography as an application, which will be operating in the ELF range, extremely low frequency range, by modulating the ionosphere, which is exactly what Mercer is doing.
Can I interrupt you for a second?
Oh, certainly.
This spacecraft, the un-tethered satellite now, has a limited lifetime.
It is going to slowly circle the Earth and spiral in and ultimately burn up in the atmosphere because of atmospheric drag as well as the electromagnetic drag that sees an antenna coming down.
Magnetic drag.
on the seas and antennas coming down a few feet every day.
So it has a limited life.
One of the things I was looking at is the coincidence between these new high-powered tests
of HAARP in Alaska and the projected half-life of the satellite up there
before it re-enters and is no longer of use.
And this idea of a date between the 16th and the 22nd which is a date that I've been given where
apparently the FAA is warning pilots not to depend on satellite locator beacons during this period of
time.
Really?
Yep.
And this is the test sequence?
This is the test sequence.
And this, of course, is when, if my information on the orbit is correct.
Our little friendly 13-mile long glowing satellite up there will be passing directly over the Giza Plateau.
Interesting.
I'm shocked you find it so.
You know, what we have gotten recently that, while I was out of town this last couple of weeks, I've gotten a, one of our people that have heard us on the air before sent us a document.
It's called Harp research and applications benefit an executive summary
from June of 95.
Yeah, I just got it myself.
Yeah, very interesting in terms of laying out the electrical potential in the locations affected by harp.
And there's a number of...
This is produced by the Technical Information Division of the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C.
Right.
That's exactly right.
And this document, you know, really starts to tie.
If you look at it carefully, you can see, in fact, on page 11 of this document, it shows sort of the area that might be affected by this, because it's much larger than I recently thought was possible at this power level.
But it certainly crosses the path of this I don't disagree with anything that you said, Richard.
I think it does hook it together.
And looking at, you know, the scientific mix, the fact that, I believe you said to me just a little while ago... Well, I relate it.
I do that.
Okay, the T. Bernhardt that's underlined, the other name that's on the USA team
on that organizing committee is a man named Inan who works in Stanford, I believe.
But he is also tied to the HAARP project.
And in fact, he was the person that discovered that when DLS frequencies strike the coupling point
between magnetosphere and ionosphere, that creates that amplification effect
of up to a thousand times and causes an electron particle rain over the area.
And this was done with standard DLS transmitters, nothing with the power and potentials
of a HAARP type transmitter.
So, I mean, if you look at that particular individual's discovery of that along with another scientist
that's really well during Antarctic work and who is tied to this project,
they very well know what potentials are available.
And what they're looking at in this newer HAARP document that we received is this idea that the amount of power
of power.
The potential are huge.
I mean just huge.
The way it's described on page 5 of that document is the auroral electrodynamic circuit carries towards the Earth 0.1 to 1 million megawatts of power.
Equivalent to a hundred to a thousand large power plants.
Yeah, of course the question is where's that power coming from?
And in our model that is hyperdimensionally generated power because of the Faraday homopolar generator effect.
Which of course raises the specter of who has known what.
And the seven guys up there who experienced this rather interesting event last Sunday night, were they clued in or were they not clued in?
I think it is your belief, Richard, that one or two, or who knows how many astronauts, may be well aware of what's going on in part of the experiment and the others.
Out in the cold?
Yep.
Yep.
That's basically it.
Well, see, this is a pattern we're seeing in NASA as a whole.
As you know, in the last 13 years, we've been looking at a series of NASA imagery, starting at Mars and moving toward the Moon, and we're finding that what we have is a NASA within a NASA.
We have most of the system that doesn't understand what's been going on, and a tidy cadre of people inside who are manipulating data Manipulating communications, manipulating people to get them to do things that they are not even aware that they're doing for those who they're doing it for, who they have implicit trust in, but who are not leveling with it about all the implications.
That's really interesting because, Dr. Baggage, you believe the same thing is probably true about the Hart Project itself on the ground, don't you?
Absolutely.
And when you look at, you know, the thing that's come up on your show before is, you know, what frequency range is this operating within?
Yeah, let's talk about that.
And I've got, um, I'm going to quote from this document, which I think is pretty interesting and revealing, because it's sort of the two-sided sword of the words, you know, and what the actual frequency range of the HS transmitter is 2.8 to 10 megahertz.
Okay.
But let me read what it says.
It says, By exploring the properties of the auroral ionosphere as an active, non-linear medium, the primary energy of the HF transmitter, which is confined in the frequency range of 2.8 to 10 MHz, can be down-converted in frequency to coherent low-frequency waves spanning five decades, as well as up-converted to infrared and visible photons.
And they said, as a result of the heartbeat, the transmitter can generate sources for remote sensitive communications spanning 16 decades in frequency.
So, although the transmitter's limited, what it's capable of reflecting is quite large.
And what they have diagrammed below this, it's on page six of that document, it goes from invisible, which is all the way at one end of the spectrum, all the way down to also low frequency, below one hertz, on the other end of the spectrum.
Below one hertz.
Alright.
Now, my understanding of the wave hard ports ...is that there's a very, very large antenna farm, I've got photographs of it, that produces a very wide signal where it begins, but where it hits the ionosphere, or where they want to hit the ionosphere, it's a very narrow, very powerful beam.
In other words, it operates in the exact opposite way most antenna arrays would operate.
And we'll get to all that in just a moment.
Oh, where's everyone?
It's a very strange night tonight.
Friday night, Saturday night.
Talk radio.
Sometimes, folks, when you just sort of let it go and you explore what seems interesting to explore, you get into some really weird areas.
That's Art Bell at AOL This was one of the oddest interviews I've ever done.
You can send it as a JPG or GIF file.
That would be preferable.
So artbell at AOL.com.
And we'll take the best of the photographs, and we will share them with everybody else.
Maybe we'll even put them on video.
This was one of the oddest interviews I've ever done.
I've been cut off by the phone company arbitrarily in the past.
I don't think this was arbitrary, and I think I was intentionally cut off.
And each time that I tried to reach back across the country, I couldn't get a line.
That is to say, I got a line, but when I would dial out, I simply got a message saying there were no available lines.
Please try again.
So, it may have to do with the incoming phone traffic.
But I've never been cut off that way that many times in that sort of span before.
I think it was intentional.
And I don't make these statements lightly.
Then there is this.
This just came in.
ArtCNN just reported 200 dead in a remote area of Indonesia.
And they're saying it is from the flu?
Bill in San Diego.
Again, this is from Bill.
I cannot confirm beyond this.
Obviously, I would like some confirmation from you.
200 dead in a remote area of Indonesia from the flu?
And he puts that in a quote, so I have no, absolutely no idea what's going on there.
And if I can find it, here it is.
One more time, those of you with critical information, Regarding the story we're following, we began to follow yesterday, and then kind of exploded tonight.
Richard Hoagland's fax number is area code 201-271-1703.
Area code 201-271-1703. 201-271-1703.
201-271-1703.
Now, on unrelated subjects, the brothers to the rescue are on their way back to Cuba
today.
Today.
Now, I told you what would happen, and it is happening.
One week after two light planes were shot down near Cuba, the Brothers to the Rescue is about to return today, ostensibly to lay a wreath in the water in honor of the dead.
A flotilla of boats Brothers to the rescue, and two more aircraft will participate.
This will occur about 17 miles off the Cuban coast, where it is still controversial, but the oil slick was present from the planes that the MiG-29s shot down.
Now here's what I told you would happen, and it is happening.
They will not be alone.
Escorting them, is going to be the Coast Guard, which will send four cutters and four patrol boats.
Coast Guard aircraft as well will be on the scene, and in the background, if needed, U.S.
warplanes at 15, 16 from Homestead Air Force Base will be on standby alert.
And I told you the President would do this, having no choice.
The U.S.
government has officially warned Cuba and the brothers as well.
The President signed what's called an Executive State of Emergency, allowing enforcement of peaceful travel in international waters.
Why he had to do that, I don't know.
I thought international waters were free to travel in without the need of executive orders, but that's what NBC said.
Cuba says if provoked, it will respond.
Could Castro be dumb enough to send his nigs back out again, and if so, what do you expect will occur?
Couple of other items that I've got to get on the air.
This one blew me away.
Do you remember when Jerry Adams, the head of the IRA's political wing, was invited to Washington?
Do you remember that?
And I bitched about it at the time, and here you've got a terrorist killer being invited into the U.S.
You remember that?
You know, everybody said there was going to be peace with Britain, and there was a chance for peace, and so he came over, and it was peaceful for a little while, and then the IRA recently began blowing things up in a very bloody fashion once again.
Remember that?
Last few days, you've seen the photographs, right?
The bus in Israel?
Blown into smithereens.
They were picking parts of Israeli people out of the metal.
Well, guess what?
This one goes down as, can you believe it?
Jerry Adams has just been granted a three-month visa to come to the U.S.
by President Clinton.
Oh, they say, well, the President would certainly want to meet with him.
But the political head of the IRA's political wing, or the head of it, coming to this country right after these bombings?
What in God's name is going on?
And if that one is not enough for you, if that's not enough of a head-shaker, try and figure this one out.
The international war on drugs was high on the President's agenda today.
Excuse the pun.
How can you speak?
Colombia, a nation that we know for sure has the cartels, and, uh, generates most of the cocaine, uh, that traverses, uh, by air, sea, or land to the U.S.
Colombia has been given a failing grade, and that means that they're going to have USAID cut off, More than a hand slap, they're gonna lose a lot of money, Colombia gets an F, and they lose USAID.
Okay?
Until you look at Mexico.
The Justice Department just said of Mexico, and I quote, No country in the world poses a more immediate narcotic threat to the U.S., the United States, than does Mexico.
End quote.
That is from our own State Department.
Mexico, which is said to be a bigger problem, drug-wise, than Colombia, passed with flying colors, will continue to get aid.
Even though, again quoting, Mexico is America's biggest cocaine supplier, they passed with flying colors, the President Apparently, it has declined to do anything at all to Mexico because Mexico's economy is too fragile.
And Mexico, being adjacent to our border, is, quote, too important to us, end quote.
But this is the craziest, nonsensical foreign policy that I've ever seen in my whole life.
I don't know what it is.
So, we care about Colombia, which is generating drugs that are coming up here, enough to cut them off completely.
Because they're not on our border, because their economy is otherwise perhaps okay.
But Mexico, which, by the government's own words, is a much bigger problem, passes, and we lie to ourselves and say they're not a problem.
My God!
What is wrong with this country?
What is wrong with the people in Washington that they could even consider doing anything like this?
The hypocrisy, apparently, is, uh... Cannot be too big for them.
Alright, one more item and then we'll get to the, uh... We'll get to the phones here.
It is, of course, the primary...
Yeah, we'll hit a little politics here.
The primary today in South Carolina.
Mason's first Southern primary.
And it is interesting because the results of it may well, in my opinion, eliminate Lamar Alexander.
It may be his last hurrah.
I've got a late Reuters poll for you in South Carolina.
Steve Forbes can obviously hang in there.
Bob Dole has kind of got to win.
And may well.
Pat Buchanan is hoping for an upset.
And he's got to prove to people that he's still in the race.
And then what occurred in Arizona was just an unhappy mistake.
And he's still in the race.
And the big mole is, you know, still with him.
Let me give you the latest I've got.
Earlier in the week, A Georgia poll shows Dole with 31%.
Buchanan, 23%.
That's pretty big delta.
Lamar Alexander, 16%.
And the winner of Arizona, Forbes, is just 6% in single digits.
So Lamar has a bit of a home field advantage.
Forbes doesn't seem to be carrying very much interest in the South.
A is the possibility of the wild card Buchanan bringing it to Dole.
If Dole were to lose in Georgia, for example, and South Carolina, he'd be in trouble.
I think he is.
I think Buchanan is right.
The Dole candidacy would disintegrate rather quickly.
So we're from Georgia.
But, check it out.
Coming up next week after South Carolina, nine primaries next week alone.
Nine.
So this whole thing is going to shake out very quickly.
Alan Keyes, eliminated from most recent debates, is so angry.
So angry.
And Alan Keyes, by the way, is probably the most articulate, Uh, Dave, uh, Pat Buchanan is also very articulate, but Alan Keyes is just tremendous to listen to.
He's on a hunger strike.
He's so angry that until they allow him to debate, he's not eating.
Can you imagine that?
Alright, uh, to the phones.
By the way, if you want a copy of last night's program, a very important program, with Richard Hoagland, For tonight's program, a very, uh, important and very strange, uh, strange program, one of the stranger ones I've done on radio, and I've done some pretty weird ones.
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Let me give that to you again.
This is strange stuff tonight.
Woo!
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Yeah, I think I've got one other thing I've gotta get on.
Uh, we're gonna have a book signing on March 16th in Oregon.
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And it's gonna be at about high noon at the Oregon Convention Center in Portland.
Beginning officially at about high noon.
It'll be interesting because we will have done, at that point, a show with Richard the previous night.
We're done with the show, get on an airplane, go up to Portland, and we'll be doing a book signing.
The only one I'm ever gonna do, save the books I'm gonna sign on our keys, this'll be the only book signing I ever do.
So it's a one-shot affair.
Hope to see you there.
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Alright?
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West of the Rockies, you're on air.
Yeah.
Alex, this is Nighthawk from IRSC.
They're wondering if you could give out that URL for that satellite picture.
I've got about a million of them here now, my friend.
I really can't.
If you didn't get it, you read it twice.
I didn't get it all either.
No, it's the one you got in on the fact that you asked for someone to send to you an email.
Oh, yes.
It's in a pile of papers about a mile high.
I'll see if I can dredge it out.
They're all wanting it, Art.
I know, I know, I know, I know.
I'll see what I can do.
I can't make any promises.
I've got about a thousand faxes here that have come in.
So I'll try and go through it at the top of the hour and dredge it out.
Very good, Art.
Thank you.
All right, thank you.
And by the way, are the people on the URL, have they made it over to the Uh, the, uh, real audio section.
Are they talking about that at all?
Yes, they have.
I've tried it.
Um, some of the audio speed sometimes seems, uh, a bit low.
Well, they're working on it.
I mean, this is, uh, up within the last few days or something.
It's a pretty neat deal.
Uh, you know, people can actually hear you now where they don't get full coverage of yourself.
Well, if there is that, then yes.
And then, as you well know, it's worldwide.
Right.
So they're going to be listening in London.
All right, my friend.
Thank you very much.
I'll see if I can get that back now.
This is so busy.
And here I am.
Oh, I have an idea.
I have an idea.
You guys know me.
I have an idea, you guys know me.
This could really be fun.
As you know, well, we'll get to that in a minute.
We're gonna go international.
We're gonna go international here in a minute.
I don't know why I didn't think of this before.
But we're gonna do it.
Listen, what you're hearing right now is Cusco.
It's called Cusco.
German.
C-U-S-C.
It's a lot of the bumble.
I just have a couple questions here.
I'm wondering if Cuba may not be a...
You know, there's this distraction and that maybe we ought to be looking to Hart here tomorrow and the next few days.
Or, uh, maybe... No, you think that... Look, Saturday is going to be a big news day.
It usually isn't, but Saturday we've got the primary and, um, we've got this thing going on in Cuba.
And all eyes are going to be either in one direction or the other.
And certainly not up.
If you follow me.
Right.
Yeah, I'm wondering if it's a chance to check out our new, uh, feathered weaponry.
I can't say it's weaponry, but I can certainly say, based on what Hoagland said and a million faxes he had said, that something's going on.
Okay.
Uh, my name is Jim, by the way.
I'm listening in out of Kansas City.
KCMO.
Right.
Thank you, Jim, and thanks to KCMO.
Alright, thanks, bud.
Take care.
So, there you've got it.
I feel as Jim feels.
Uh, there is something going on, and the news focus is going to be on the primaries.
The news focus is going to be on Cuba.
And, uh, properly so.
These are events worthy of coverage.
But it's gonna make it awfully easy not to cover some other things.
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Uh, Kodiak, Alaska.
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Well, we're trying to hold this line... We're trying to hold this line open for international calls.
I see.
I thought maybe I was out far enough for that to be applicable, but apparently I don't know.
Thank you very much.
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Uh, McNeilville, Oregon.
I just wanted to, uh... Well, no, sorry, that's on our international line.
West of the Rockies, you're on air.
Hello.
I have a question about your cruise.
Yes?
Um, when you're gone, are you gonna be, uh, three-seat on, on a radio?
Is there gonna be a re-sealing on the cruise?
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You know, it's still, uh... How long is that cruise gonna be?
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Yeah, the stuff with Richard Hoagland?
Yes.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, that kind of deja vu a couple years ago with the Mars Observer?
It really is.
It's reminiscent of that, isn't it?
And the book I got that I'm holding now, The Monuments to Mars?
Yes.
I bought it one week before the Mars Observer went out.
And I was so excited about the Mars Observer.
It was headlined on US News and World Report of Approaching Mars.
And it did a small article about Hoagland in it.
And I was showing people pictures of his book and what was in it and saying they've either got to show it or cover it up.
Yes.
And lo and behold, they covered it up.
Well, that, of course, is also the opinion of Richard Hoagland, as you're well aware.
And I have no way of knowing.
I'm not a scientist.
I'm slightly technically inclined.
Just a note, I am taking an astronomy class at Palomar.
Yes, sir.
And in their observatory, or that is, whether it's an observatory where you go to see the programs and stuff, they're taking it seriously for the first time.
I was very skeptical that they would.
They were talking about the planets, etc., etc.
They actually showed a slide of the space and they made a comment at the end.
Is there life or not?
Or has there been?
And so the mainstream is starting to take it seriously.
I appreciate your call, sir.
Thank you.
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A lot of you, right?
You're 40 years old and you've never voted?
Yeah, all except for union business.
Where are you, by the way?
I'm in Center, Colorado.
And, uh... Why have you never voted?
I mean, you get to be 40 and never vote.
Well, I've always left that up to the people who thought they knew what they were doing.
And apparently, they, you know... Are you sure you do not underestimate yourself, sir?
Well, I am registered now.
Oh, you are?
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Uh, excuse me?
Yeah, uh, to get Clinton out of office.
Oh, I see.
I don't care who raised ABC to anybody but Clinton even Dewey Herman, eh?
Exactly.
Well, at least you're motivated.
Well, yeah, it's, uh, it took him to do it.
I was afraid that you had moved from, uh, total non-caring Is Honolulu far enough away for you for international?
Where?
at all. I appreciate the call. I'm glad you're motivated now to vote. That's good.
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Let's try once more here on my so-called international line.
You're on the air. Hello.
Hello. Can I get... Is Honolulu far enough away for you for international?
Where? Honolulu.
No.
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And, you know, Dr. Begich will be here tomorrow morning speaking from 9 a.m.
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Now, my understanding of the way HAARP works is that there's a very, very large antenna farm, I've got photographs of it, that produces a very wide signal where it begins, but where it hits the ionosphere, or where they want it to hit the ionosphere, it's a very narrow, very powerful beam.
In other words, it operates in the exact opposite way most antennas, uh, arrays, uh, would operate.
Yes, in fact, that's how Bernard Eastman got the original patent, by showing that huge difference in capability, in the way they fire the antenna array, the way they sequence that firing, the cause of its focus, the beam, as opposed to letting it dissipate the distance.
Which means they could hit a very small spot.
Like, for example, a dangling Oh yeah, it's easy to target this ELF antenna.
It's orbiting the Earth.
Now let me read you something interesting on page 7.
You know, this is going to become the greatest hit of HAARP.
Right.
This is page 7.
It starts out, HAARP Unique Features Current Plan.
Remember this was 1995.
We should tell people that this document that we're reading from, Nick, if you turn to the front, The copy I have says, Department of Defense Information Paper, Service slash Agency, Department of the Air Force, Appropriation Account, R-D-T-E-A-F, which is Air Force, Budget Activity, Number 3, Advanced Development, Subject, High Frequency Act of a Rural Research Program, that's what HARP stands for, 1, Question slash Request, Staff Assistant for the Senate Appropriations Committee,
Subcommittee on Defense requested a brief program overview and status update on the HAARP program.
Two, response.
HAARP is a research program developing a facility to study fundamental physical principles of the Earth's upper atmosphere.
Key potential technology applications are in the areas of detection of subterranean tunnels slash structures and communication.
I'll get back to that in a minute.
Located at the former over-the-horizon backscatter site at Gakona, Alaska.
The facility will consist of a high-frequency HF phased array transmitter.
This will be complemented by numerous scientific diagnostic instruments, both active and passive, to observe the artificial effects created by the interaction of the high-power HF beam on the ionosphere.
At present, a developmental prototype has been constructed, consisting of a 48 antenna array, with a maximum re-radiated power of 360 kilowatts.
Now, Art, as a parenthetical note, all the numbers in this document are hyperdimensional.
48, 360, etc., etc.
Which raises an interesting question as to hidden agendas.
Fabrication of this equipment was completed in November 1994, and testing is in progress.
Remember, this was a report as of 29 November 95 on my document here.
All right, do the two of you agree on what HAARP is?
Oh, wait a minute.
Let me, let me, let me get... I've got three more sentences here.
Go ahead, go ahead.
Several pieces of diabetic diagnostic equipment are already in place to monitor background characteristics of the auroral ionosphere over Gakona and to provide a baseline for the radio frequency spectral environment.
A capability to interrogate the diagnostic instruments over the internet.
...is being implemented, which will enable principal investigators to monitor their experiments directly from their laboratories.
In other words, gentlemen, they don't even have to be at the site anymore.
They can be anywhere in the world and run this thing by computer like we're talking tonight.
Right, that's been in the, actually was in the specifications for the construction of the facility right from the very beginning.
But as I understand it, the EPA and the FDC and the watchdog supposedly looking at this in terms of local interference and all that, have been assuring the local residents in Alaska that there are personnel on site and nothing is being done without human supervision, etc, etc.
Right, they have a watchman on site.
Totally ignorant of the scientific application.
And that's the extent of it.
Now, they have put people on site from the University of Alaska, you know, to watch computer screens and so forth.
But, you know, whether they're running the experiments or just gatekeepers is quite the thing.
This document, which now, alright, the document I was reading from is a memorandum.
There was a request from the Senate, the Senate Subcommittee, by someone on staff, or some senator, for him to make a memorandum.
And this is... ...city of Maryland.
The committee was composed of the following members, and then it lists the committee chairman and the membership, and what I find stunningly interesting, Along with Paul Bernhardt and Dennis Papadopoulos and Herbert Carlton and William Gordon is the name of Roland D. Sikdeoff.
Art, do you recognize Roland Sikdeoff?
I do not, no.
Roland Sikdeoff was the chief science advisor to Mikhail Gorbachev and head of the Soviet Union's space program.
He is a plasma physicist.
He is over here now as a distinguished professor of physics at the University of Maryland.
He is a current member of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
He is a member of the Foreign Secretary of the National Academy of Sciences, and his former boss just entered the presidential sweepstakes race to become president of Russia and was on Larry King last night.
Yeah, I had 0.5% approval.
Listen, I want to again ask, Do you two agree on what harp is?
It's nothing... Alright, let me tell you what it's not.
It's not what they've been telling us it is.
In fact, I think it has little connection to anything that's in the open literature.
Meaning not to keep the eye on it, not to look for underground caverns?
Well, not as pure science.
I think we are light years beyond, you know, probing.
I think, you know, beginning in the 1960s, we put up Alouette.
We put up a ton of satellites, orbiting geophysical observatories.
We've had radars, tropospheric radars.
We've had Dew Line, Bennu systems.
I mean, if the Air Force really thinks it has to characterize the ionosphere in the 90s, where we've been beaming high-frequency radio energy into the ionosphere since the 40s?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
The point is, we're down to the level of technical application, and the question is, what is it really being used for?
And that's why the numbers are important.
The acronym is important.
And its citing is important, relevant to the hyperdimensional grid on this planet.
Right.
Dr. Begich, what would you say about this?
I mean, do you seem to be in agreement?
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I agree it's not just an ionosphere experiment to learn about what the ionosphere is.
I think I agree with the fact that we already know that.
What I believe, and I have believed, is that it's a prototype for a weapon system.
And the applications potential beyond what we've defined in our work, I would not disagree with what Richard is saying.
I have less knowledge of what he's saying, so it's something that I'll need to come up to speed on over time.
But, you know, I'd never believe this to be a purely scientific research project.
I mean, it just smells to high heaven when you research the data, when you look at the material, you know, it's just not there.
You know, in looking at the operators of this system and how they've developed the technology, it's too big to hide.
So you've developed the mask behind which you hide, and that's exactly what they've done by characterizing it as a purely scientific research project.
The reason it's getting a lot of money right now is the head of the Senate, Senator Stevens from Alaska.
You know, this is the pot from which the money flows, you know, and he's hyping it here during his election year, this great guy.
Yeah, it's a wonderful backyard Alaskan pork barrel.
And the thing that's happened here that's interesting, and one of the sort of side notes, is that they are in fact testing this from Earth-penetrating tomography application, which was set as a priority for the Senate.
Nick, you better describe what Earth-penetrating tomography is.
This is the idea of looking into the earth several miles into the earth and to look at
the interior and the way they've characterized it is for locating underground nuclear facilities
and tunnels and so forth.
The thing that's interesting here is the local newspaper which has the largest circulation
in Alaska, the only thing they've printed on her is this particular application early
on as being extremely good for the state because it would also have the potential of locating
underground oil deposits, natural gas deposits because the strata that they're formed within
is so much different.
It's porous material, much different than the surrounding rock.
What's interesting is the location of HAARP is within 20-30 miles of the Alaska pipeline, which is only running at about 65% capacity right now in terms of oil.
The state is in a financial crunch because of its oil revenue declines.
If they were able to say to the state legislature, there's a strong indication that there may be oil reserves because it is situated within a potential oil basin that's been defined by USGS for years and years, in fact a couple of decades.
If they actually found something there at this particular juncture as the controversy over this technology is rising, they would in fact be able to co-opt, I think, our legislature into supporting the project as opposed to standing against it.
because of the potential revenue stream developed by immediate reserves located close to a pipeline
that's not at capacity, it's on the road system, the logistics are extremely good for developing
a field, they could discover one, plus the ability to generate a much higher rate of
revenue return on a known depot that you could define the perimeters of in terms of leasing.
And within this, you have native holdings, land holdings, my father was responsible for
Native Clan Settlement Act which gave Native Alaskans 44 million acres.
Gentlemen, hold it right there for a moment.
We're at a break point.
We'll be right back.
I believe you'll be able to chat, the two of you, during the news.
And we will be back.
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Now, here again, Art Bell.
Once again, here I am.
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Now, here again, Art Bell.
Once again, here I am.
My guests are Richard Hoagland, a NASA consultant, science advisor to Walter Cronkite,
and Einstein Science Award winner in New York, and Dr. Nick Beggins, author of Angels Don't Play Biz Harp
In Alaska, where my fear...
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Alright, back now to my two guests.
Here's a quick article.
This will set it up very well for you.
This is from the Anchorage Daily News, March 7th.
Glenn Allen, local resident worried about a government, uh, a rural research project in Alaska,
gathered at the Caribou Cafe a few days ago to watch a video about the program and share their concerns.
They viewed a video that included a piece on the High Frequency Active Rural Research Program, or HAARP, and a copy of the segment on the project from the Sightings Television Program.
The video suggests that HAARP is actually a secret military project.
Rather than the military-sponsored scientific research project, our spokesman John Hexler says it is.
Some local residents are worried the project has potentially negative side effects, which might include the potential to change the weather, the ability to scramble brain waves, the ability to zap the sky, and fears it could open a hole in the ionosphere and trigger a chain reaction that is much worse than the ozone hole.
Others fear the project could disrupt communications, stun people with electrical charges, change migratory patterns in salmon, and affect the DNA in embryos.
The main concern presented in the video is that HAARP could lead to a CIA-sponsored futuristic weapon.
That's the Anchorage Daily News, March 7th.
Gentlemen, you're back on the air.
Well, that article was actually interesting.
In fact, we'll be up in Glen Allen speaking probably to that same gathered group here this next weekend.
It's gotten a lot of play.
We've brought the issue forward here.
We've done a number of lectures here in Alaska.
We've been on lots of radio all over the country.
And what we find is each time that we get on the air, we get inundated with another land ride of documents information some not
connected some connected, but this most recent event with the space shuttle that you folks have been on
the air with the last week or so has certainly
Raised again the serious questions from our perspective This is supposedly a research project.
Every time that we've, you know, looked at it, you know, we just can't see pure research in it.
All we can see is military application.
And I think what Richard has been saying is probably very, very accurate.
And what we're seeing is more and more confirmation of the accuracy of it.
And here we are again talking about something called the open science, but we have to peel the onion another layer to find out the next bits and pieces of information.
What's interesting here now is our legislature's instructions.
And with these meetings occurring, and the particular probing that we were talking about earlier, what may happen at this point is a co-option of our legislature by showing this wonderful geophysical probing applications.
They're characterizing it with some demonstrated hind.
And right now, we have a legislator, Gene Covina, who is calling for state affairs.
committee of our state legislature to open hearings on the topic and hopefully
you know people will bang on our legislature early enough in the game to
get those hearings and that would keep the money flowing because a lot of
people don't know this but Alaskans realize a yearly dividend from from oil
That's right.
And they're up to approximately $1,000 per person.
I'm sure like a family of four speaks for themselves.
You know, at this point, I do want to beg to differ with you.
I don't think that the purpose of this is anything as trivial as looking for oil or making money for Alaska.
I think that's the kind of local, you know, gravy train that has gotten people like Stevens and others to support this.
Well, that's what I'm suggesting.
That's the mask.
But I think it's much bigger, and I do not think, in fact, they're military.
I think, you know, with all due respect, a well overused phrase these days, that that's another red herring.
And I don't mean that you're proposing it, I think you sincerely believe, but in terms of the parameter in which you've been looking, that's a logical, potential explanation for the inexplicable.
What Art knows full well is that our team has been looking at things that are so stunning and extraordinary that the inexplicable becomes almost norm.
So let me raise some additional ideas for what Hart really may be up to.
And I must say, gentlemen, that I really wasn't all that concerned with this thing.
Until the shuttle incident made me kind of look at it, and I began putting the numbers together, and as you know, Art, that's what we do over here.
All right, but Richard, I think you really do both agree.
What Nick was saying was, that's the local, uh, political slant to keep the dollars flowing.
Oh, sure, sure.
I totally agree with that.
I totally agree with that, but that's a foreign hope.
It's not to make money.
It's not to find gold.
It's not to feed Indians.
It's not a CIA plot to control people's brains or to do any of these things.
I believe it is part of the global planetary, uh, quickening, uh, that you and I have discussed.
Now, let me, let me, let me raise a theory here, a hypothesis, and then you guys can take shots at it if you will, alright?
A person who should be participating in this discussion tonight who is not here yet, but will be, I believe, is Graham Hancock.
Graham Hancock.
Nick, are you familiar with Graham's work?
I don't believe so.
Alright.
Graham is a former reporter for the London Economist and the London Times.
He is a hell of a writer and a hell of a nice guy and extremely interested in the truth as as I am and we have met he spent the last weekend here when the NBC show on the Mysterious Origins of Man was airing NBC brought him over to do some promos so we have an occasion to spend the entire weekend together going over a lot of data both in terms of our work on the moon and Mars and in terms of his interest in former ancient Civilizations which time and events have erased from current human memory.
And one of the things that is really converging here is that it's becoming more and more probable that we are not the first.
That our, and next, we are heir to a legacy of preceding previous cycles of high technological civilization on this planet that for whatever reason have disappeared.
Leaving only traces, both physical traces and legendary, historical, textual, or artifact traces, alright?
In that model, if there is a precipitant catastrophe which overwhelms the human species on a periodic or quasi-periodic basis, in terms of Graham's research, and my own, you know, independent, and many, many, many others, alright, It looks as if maybe there is an effort to save some people when these times approach where whatever happens is going to happen.
More earthquakes, more volcanoes, leading towards some great catastrophic occurrence.
Right.
So one of the models has been that when the previous civilizations realized their number was up, a group, an elite, Tried to preserve themselves through availing themselves of various options.
Up to and including digging big holes in the ground and hiding and hoping it would go away.
Or hoping they could come out after it had gone away.
Now what's interesting is that in the American Southwest, not far from you, in fact surrounding you, Mark, right?
Yes.
There are several Native American tribes.
Who have some remarkable legends.
I've personally gone and researched them on Second Mesa.
It turns out that Graham and I were there within a week of each other and didn't even know each other at that point.
So our work was converging.
To try to get a historical perspective from the elders of these tribes as to their own history, their oral tradition.
In terms of prophecies for the future, the so-called Hopi prophecies being the best known of these ideas that time is cyclic, that civilizations are cyclic, and there have been preceding worlds, or suns, or epochs.
Of which this one is going to come to an end like the other ones did.
And, uh, there are various discussions as to how much time remains before events again transpire which wiped out preceding civilization.
Now, if this is more than myth, and there is increasing, substantive, documentable, reproducible... Evidence.
Scientific evidence.
There is, yes.
Well, and you have spent many programs, and I'm sure you're going to spend a lot more.
I saw the program, and the series already is a myth, so yes.
All right.
Well, I have been quietly, through my sources, digging into the evidentiary record.
And I gotta say that I think the Graham is 100% right and we're going to have some very interesting news to report soon on that front.
Now why is Hoagland and company, the Mars mission, interested in ancient technical civilizations on Earth?
Well, the obvious answer, guys, is that if we're not the first, But maybe the stuff we're seeing out in the solar system is not E.T.
stuff, but our stuff.
And we have just forgotten that we used to do those great and wondrous things because several intervening cycles of destruction and memory loss have intervened so that we're now down to the titration of the titration of the titration and almost nobody remembers except in myth and legend and Native American tradition.
Doug, great holes, then there might be interest in finding those great holes.
Oh, that's because I'm the head of the class.
And who would have the resources and the ability to lie on a global scale and carry out such a program?
The military.
I think HAARP is looking for the holes.
Now, why would they be interested in the hole?
Well, two reasons.
One is to hide in them.
All right.
And the other, which I think is more likely, suppose we're not the first.
Suppose someone has put caches of, you know, electronics and libraries and storehouses of information and other material buried deep, deep, deep with a technology that we can't even hope to match.
Sir?
Wouldn't our guys like to find that stuff?
Wouldn't it be like Christmas?
All that neat stuff that could turn into new weapons, and that's where the military comes back into its own.
For a lot of people, this is going to sound really wild, but, uh, how do you... Well, it's not as wild as the Soviet Union collapsing.
And the former, the last president of the Soviet Union resigning in disgrace.
...to suddenly be reborn as a new candidate in the run for the presidency of Russia... I know.
...and his principal science advisor sitting on a committee at the University of Maryland writing a document for the U.S.
Senate on HAARP.
All right, look, Richard, let me stop you.
I want to ask a quick question.
You may be on left field.
This comes in from Texas.
But if this tether allowed a charge to reach the shuttle, could this cause a major problem when they hit atmosphere or touchdown?
In other words, what happens to the charge when they begin to re-enter?
Oh, it's leaked off into the ionosphere.
So there will be no additional danger to the shuttle?
No, no, no, no.
It was a discharge.
It was gone.
The electrons flowed back into the ionosphere.
Everything equated out to zero potential.
But it was that instant of discharge which caused the electrical problems with the computers.
Because of this phenomena called EMP, Electromagnetic Pulse.
Uh, and I am seriously concerned tonight about these guys' safety because, as you all know, computers are very fragile.
It doesn't take much to make them stop working.
I've been fighting with mine all day.
And the idea that those guys are dependent totally on computers, even if they're backups.
Remember, all these backups were exposed to the same savage blast of radiation.
That's true.
When that thing cut loose.
Now, the shuttle electronics are hardened militarily.
Remember, the shuttle was designed by the Pacific.
It was not NASA.
It was the DOD, which basically wrote the spec for the space shuttle, because it was at the height of the Cold War.
It was when Reagan was calling the Soviet Union the evil empire, and they wanted enormous footprints for, you know, left and right, so they could land almost anywhere.
They wanted, you know, it to be able to survive nuclear weapons banged off in the air.
I mean, they put all kinds of overspecs in it.
So I think that's why maybe only one computer program has suffered some damage, and not all of them.
Well, because there's a screen of deception between us and the truth in a supposedly open space agency, we're not going to know until these guys touch down this morning whether, in fact, this is much more serious than they've been letting on.
Well, I've listened to both of you very carefully on separate occasions, and both of you seem to feel there is this compartmentalization going on within NASA, within HAARP, Absolutely.
I mean that's the whole nature of weapons development.
Do you think that might be so?
Absolutely.
I mean that's the whole nature of weapons development.
I mean they compartmentalize to the point where you have active researchers developing small components that
standing alone, you know, they do stand alone, they look fine, they appear
fine, but when you start to draw the linkages, bringing them
together at some high level within the Pentagon, then you start to take, they start to take a different form
and a different shape.
And I think that's what we have, certainly in the HAARP program.
And, you know, without taking away from anything that Richard said, I think that what he's demonstrating is, again, another level, another layering of potential applications for this technology.
They go way, way beyond what the military characterizes as.
And again, to express concern, here we have an effect on this dangling tether that nobody anticipated that demonstrates, once again, our limited knowledge in playing God with the ionosphere.
And again, we're looking at those non-linear effects, effects that don't make sense logically, and yet they occur, that could create, precipitate Huge, huge problems on the planet, which we've spoken about on your program before.
All right, here's what Dr. Bagot says, Richard, that a very small focus of intense energy at one point in the atmosphere, or in the ionosphere rather, correct me if I'm wrong, Dr. Bagot, that you believe could produce a kind of a cascading effect throughout the ionosphere.
Correct.
Well, it isn't throughout the atmosphere.
The idea there is that if you focus these beams, and these beams are spherical, they have 30 degree plus or minus coverage from Alaska.
As the diagram in this Senate document demonstrates, you know, the global reach of the facility is much bigger than one might imagine under even conventional, you know, reasoning and extrapolation.
What happens is if you focus these beams along a magnetic field line and you create an intense what's called precipitation of particles, what happens is the charged particles that are spiraling around the magnetic field lines from the Van Allen Radiation Belt are basically What?
diverted and can be dumped into the atmosphere creating in effect artificial aurora.
And what's intriguing about this is that for some years we have been considering,
you know, in the literature, the UFO crowd particularly, that if somebody wanted to stage an event, a really
spectacular event, they'd need high technology to do it.
And this makes a dandy way to stage an event.
Remember Irwin Allen's movie?
The one with Richard Bassard and the C-Quest and all that?
The day the radiation belt caught fire or something like that?
You could, with HAARP, precipitate the most spectacular particle dumping and artificial aurora across the entire Northern Tier uh... i'm sorry
uh... of the world zone including most of the united states all of europe the soviet union
you know you could you could create the most popular fireworks
but simply triggering with your own input of energy much larger
massive natural forces See, you're both really saying the same thing.
Do you agree?
But the question would be why?
Why would you want to do this?
Okay, let's find out if you agree.
Doctor?
I don't disagree with that.
In fact, we were talking about ancient prophecies, so to speak, earlier.
There's an Alaskan native prophecy that says that at the end of the age, through man's manipulation, the sky will turn red like fire.
And it's interesting correlation to what Richard just described.
Now we go back to the number of antennas and the number of transmitters.
I mean, this almost sounds like numerology art.
But we have some evidence of some levels of this government playing with this physics almost like a ritual magic, a talisman, alright?
This is it.
Almost like in ritual magic.
A talisman, alright?
Where if you do certain things by the numbers, while you're... Is it supposed to happen?
It's very interesting, Nick, that you bring up these Native traditions, because it looks like somebody is almost trying to follow a script.
All right, you two, on that note, the script note, hold on, we'll be right back.
We'll do another half hour.
You're listening to Dr. Nick Beckett in Alaska, Richard Hoagland in New York.
I'm Art Bell in the high desert.
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Alright, this may seem off-topic, but in a way it's not.
And I want to ask both of you this question.
Here's a fact from Hawaii, Jerry and White.
What if the government discovered a simple 15-minute medical procedure that would increase lifespan on Earth to 150 years?
And you'd be in good physical condition Still about the age of 145 to 50 and then the body would stop in a period of one month without pain and suffering to the person.
Which of the choices do you think would happen?
A. The government would announce the new medical procedure and we all live to 150 years.
B. The government keeps it quiet and only uses the medical procedure on certain frozen people.
Or C. There is a fire And the Discoverer, and all his notes are destroyed.
The Discovery is lost.
How do you, what do you gentlemen think would occur?
Nick, do I go first?
Yeah, I think probably C. I think C too.
You both, oh boy.
You know why?
Oh boy.
They fear not let it out.
So it has to be C. Has to be C. Nick?
Yeah, I think so too.
I mean, it's the kind of thing that, you know, you have people living 150 years and when you look at it, it's the kind of thing you'd be able to hire under national security because of the economic ramifications.
I mean, how can a government with social security starting at 65 survive?
How can you have a base of resources to provide for, you know, what would potentially be large numbers of people?
Well, just expand rapidly and continue to stay alive.
I mean, the whole system isn't built around 150-year life cycles.
Well, but it's even worse than that.
150-year-old people, remember, the older you get, the smarter you get.
Just as you begin to figure out this whole system, you wind up keeling over.
If the median age of adult, wise people, voters, progressed up 20, 30, 40 years, And all the games that go on, all the money that's in, all the larceny, all the...
all the stealing, you know, in the primary season, folks, you can tell.
All that would have to change.
Yeah, they can't live generationally.
There's no way that they would allow it out there.
They can't. And if you're talking about good health, which is what was described, you're talking about people
that are actively engaged in the world they live in, and so you're not going to see
that potential.
Well, the reason I ask you both this question is because the way it relates
to either one of the conclusions that you two have come to, You both believe, obviously, that Hart is not what they say it is.
You may believe it is something different, because you believe it's something different, but you both agree, don't you, that it's not what they're telling us?
That's right.
I think it is so much bigger and it is so connected to the other parts of the research that we've been doing and discussing on your program.
Well, you're just a little farther out on the tether, Richard.
Thanks.
You had to get that in, didn't you?
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Well, let me give you another data point.
Remember, this project tries to go by science, no matter what our critics say, alright?
And the way you gauge whether you're dealing with science is if there are specific testable predictions.
Yeah.
So this is where I need your audience, alright?
They've been stunningly, you know, sterling this past week.
I've had a ton of very neat, sophisticated, and extraordinarily helpful faxes come in.
Particularly from the folks in Alaska.
And if they're listening, I really want to thank them for their cooperation and providing me all this neat stuff.
And just keep those cards and letters coming in.
Our fax number, if you want to send us information on a range of topics, and I'll list what we need, is 201-271 1-7-0-3.
And I'll repeat that several times, I'm sure.
Yeah, and you know what, Richard?
I want to ask for a volunteer right now.
You've got a lot of materials.
We need to get it up on the Internet.
But we can't do that unless we can get the materials transferred, uh, from their fax form into appropriate, uh, HTML code.
HTML code to put them up on the Internet.
So we need a volunteer, um, who could do that.
And if there's anybody who would like to volunteer, Please fax Richard at 201-271-1703 and then Richard will see to it that you get those materials, won't he, Richard?
Yes, we will.
See, I have been avoiding the web until we were ready for putting our own research on.
And even as I speak tonight, we're moving much faster than we were before.
Before our event in Washington, I would like to have our website up and active, and... Best way for you to do it, right?
Look, Richard, my website's taking 10,000 hits a day.
The best place you can be right now... I understand, I understand.
We're in total agreement.
But what we found, though, is that someone has not written codes to translate From a fax or even a document file into the language that the web uses.
Okay, well we need a good typist.
Someone has to physically type all this file.
I understand.
Alright, so we're looking for a volunteer, whoever it is, 201-271-1703, fax Richard, he'll get you the stuff.
Now let's... So let me continue on the kind of listing here.
It's 5-5-5.
Getting into this, through this tether business, and understanding that harm is probably bigger than we both would have imagined even a few years ago.
For one thing, let me, let me, let me, you know, put the stake in the heart of the military thing.
If this is a military weapon, if the security agencies and the CIA and the DOD and all that are using this as some kind of cover for a military weapon, for God's sake, why haven't we included Russians in on it?
Go back to your document and read the list of Russians participating in a steering committee.
Absolutely.
This is a shared project between us and the other superpower on the planet for stakes that are bigger than the Cold War, which never really was real in the first place, alright?
So what big stakes are there?
There are only two.
One is alien contact and the other is survival.
And I think that it is looking for the, for the evidence, the hard evidence that in fact We are not the first.
And the way you hide information these days is you do it under multiple levels of military security, you talk about national security, and everybody's eyes glaze over and Senators don't ask questions, and you can do anything you damn well please.
Now there's another data point, because remember, in Graham's scenario, And in, uh, Rans Flemeth, the, uh, the Canadian researchers who've been looking into this, and from which Graham, you know, borrows much material, and even Charles Hapgood, who was probably one of the first.
Uh, by the way, did you know that Charles Hapgood was, was TIA?
Art?
No.
He was LXS.
Really?
He got his insight into this little tipping over from German files in Germany.
And the Germans were scurrying around the planet looking for stuff.
All right.
A very good friend of mine has been talking with, um, uh, German officers from World War II about what the Germans were really up to, particularly at the end of the world, at the South Pole.
They sent a whole bunch of expeditions down to the South Pole right after the war ended.
Yeah, they did.
Now, Graham and I believe, along with some other people like the Plymouth, that the most probable place For the surviving remnants of the last epoch, the last high civilization on this planet.
Now, there are two investigations across here, is that between Graham and me looking at ancient civilizations and remnants, either on planet or off planet, and you wondering why Harp is sited where it is, and why it appears to be much more powerful than it needs to be, and why there are layers of deception and confusion and cover, What I have found is, in looking for these underground cavities, lead bases, tunnels, stores of something, the sighting of HAARP is very specifically situated to probe the Giza Plateau.
And if you begin now to look at the orbit of the, uh, of the uncharted satellite, in the next week, a week and a half, it will drift repeatedly over the plateau.
And with a combination of radio waves it will radiate in sympathetic residents down from the sky.
Coupled with the ground wave that would be generated from the HAARP transmitters located in Alaska on the opposite side of the world arc.
It's within 4 degrees of being exactly 180 from Giza.
And Giza's at 30 north.
HAARP is at 60 north when you do the conversion between geographic and geodetic coordinates.
These are all hyperdimensional numbers if you're using a physics that most people don't even know exists.
To look for important things underground.
There's another data point you need to consider.
Remember the French series of nuclear tests in the last few weeks that no one could figure out why the French were testing nuclear triggers when all the enemies had gone away?
Of course.
You know, who were they gonna bomb, you know, use them against?
The Albanians?
You know, the invading Turkish residents, whatever?
No, in fact, if you look at the atoll in the South Pacific where the French were detonating the nuclear weapons, it is precisely 180 degrees on the other side of the world from the Giza Plateau.
If the Giza Plateau in the Richard Robert DeVall and Graham Hancock scenario represents the marker
of the last high epic of civilization, circa 12,000 years ago,
then it stands to reason that somewhere under that plateau there's an awful lot of neat stuff.
And the current folks that are sitting on that neat stuff are the Egyptians.
Well, maybe our guys want access to what their guys already suspect or have brought up
and suspect that it's much deeper than the Egyptians with their own technology could get to.
You bet.
So you have a concerted effort to probe with the most sophisticated technology, multi-nationally.
And then I got to bring in the work of Bruce Caffey.
And that's where HAARP comes in the picture.
HAARP comes in, and the French nuclear test, because the way you tweak the spiderweb of hyperdimensional physics is you pluck the web with nuclear weapons placed at certain strategic latitudes and longitudes.
And Bruce Caffey was the first to recognize this, although he thought you could only detonate a nuclear weapon at those latitudes and longitudes.
In fact, I think they were using the weapons over the last 30 years to probe this hyperdimensional grid.
And again, we're not talking about most of the military-industrial complex.
We're talking about a tiny group within that uses the resources of nations and corporations and institutions To fulfill their own ends while ostensibly in service to other objectives.
Okay, we have two things now.
I want to give you an opportunity to give out the number up in Alaska where people can
get your materials or contact you.
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Okay, we've got to be careful with that number.
It's very close to an emergency number up there.
907-249-9111.
And Richard Hogan's fax number is 201-271-1703.
And we're looking for information, of course, but we're also looking for a volunteer to put together the materials Richard has to be uploaded to the World Wide Web.
And do you have a link to our webpage, Doctor?
Not yet, but we would sure like to do that.
I've got a website that's got quite a bit of things on it beyond heart and I can get
that at www.throne.com and you can find that through any of the search engines and it's
got heart materials that are materials and it's continually being added to as well.
What would both of you say, the American, you know the average guy sitting out there
is going, man I get about half of this you know.
There's one heck of a half.
I know, I know.
My question to you both is, What should the American people do?
I mean, if this is not what it's supposed to be, and it's something either dark, sinister, a weapon, or somebody trying to mess about and save the world, or ruin the world, or whatever it is, if it's not what it appears to be, and you both agree on that, what should the American people do?
It's so simple.
It goes back to the Constitution.
Remember, this nation was founded on the rather radical idea That ordinary people are smart enough and bright enough to have control of their own destiny.
Right.
That a handful of people hiding in a room somewhere, either wanting knowledge for their own use, their own survival, their own power, their own monetary gain, is not the way a society should be run.
But we tried that for thousands of years, and it did not work.
The way this society got rich and made people realize their dreams beyond their wildest expectations, ...is divesting power in ordinary folks, who turn out to be extraordinary, when you give them the opportunity.
That opportunity has been taken away, and taken away, and taken away, piece by piece by piece by piece, under the guise of this thing called National Security.
And it's incredibly ironic to me, that when all the enemies are gone, when the Cold War is over, when the...
Peace by peace by peace by peace under the guise of this thing called national security.
And it's incredibly ironic to me that when all the enemies are gone, when the Cold War is over, when the evil empire has been defeated, with some of the most clandestine and monstrous and strange experiments harnessing the most gargantuan of energies, We have an election coming up.
Richard, let me cut to the quick here.
It's happening under our noses.
Who should we bitch to? That's the question.
We have an election coming up.
I wish Pat Buchanan would be addressing the real issues of this.
Or one of the other candidates who claims to be a populist.
This is where the populism thing should really start.
All those billions and billions and billions, fifty billion dollars a year, that's being picked from your pocket and mine, and no one has any accountability.
Alright, Dr. Bigot.
I think that it is, I don't disagree, we believe the same basic principles of individuals are
where the power vests and what we see in this project and the whole chain of events that
we lay out in our work is that the military, the government has run away with the farm
and has to have left us with a fragment, a crown, a sense of control that most people
are going to go to them to ask but keep feeling like you're overwhelmed.
And on this project, we've seen a deactivation of a lot of people coming together from very
very different backgrounds, which is a good sign people are getting involved.
We've asked people to contact their congressional delegations and ask for public hearings on
this issue as well as the whole issue of non-lethal weapons.
We've asked for people to contact our governor here in Alaska in Juneau, Tony Knowles, ask for open hearings on a state basis because we do have a Tenth Amendment that transfers and gives states certain rights.
We think that monitoring this project independently of the federal government is an important part of taking a little bit more control of our own destiny here.
But it is election year.
It is time to engage, make this an election issue in every part of the country.
National security is the wall behind which too much is hidden, and the American people are becoming the victims, and maybe that evil empire is extended to our own government in many respects.
Well, you do, uh, the two of you do have a, uh, Big area of agreement, and we're out of time.
I want to thank you both.
I'm going to give both your numbers out on the air again after the top of the hour.
I know it's late New York.
Richard, go to sleep.
We'll talk to you on the 15th.
And Dr. Begich, I want to thank you for on short notice coming on the air with us.
Always glad to be with you.
Okay.
Good night, Dr. Begich.
Good night, Richard.
Good night.
Good night.
There you go, folks.
Richard Hoagland in New York.
Dr. Nick Begich in Alaska.
It was about harp.
What harp is.
Maybe more about what harp isn't.
We'll stay on top of this for you.
The shuttle's coming down, we understand, in the morning.
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