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Feb. 11, 1996 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Bigfoot - Stan Johnson and Linda Moulton Howe - Animal Mutilations

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linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		The wounds were said to be, by the veterinarian, the diameter of a drinking jaw and three to four inches deep, which is at least twice as long as the longest canines on a dog.
		When he performed necropsies on the animals, he found that one rabbit's trachea and esophagus were missing, even though the rabbit's exterior hide had not been cut.
		And I have a case with a veterinarian report that goes back to 1989 period in Red Bluff, Nebraska, when exactly the same thing happened to a cow there.
		The veterinarian found that the esophagus and the trachea had been removed from within that cow.
		Now, as I reported before, eyewitnesses in different parts of the island have described encounters with different kinds of creatures, ranging from a large monkey or primate to the chupacabris with the big eyes, to things that fly in the sky, leaving a very confusing picture.
		And even in the same area of Canovanus east of San Juan, there have been different descriptions.
		The following excerpts from interviews that I did a couple weeks ago begin with a family who all saw on the same day, last August, a big dark-eyed humanoid near their house.
		First, you will hear the husband, Miguel Ogosta, who watched the creature jump from inside a truck to the ground and over a five-foot-high chainwing fence.
		Then his wife, Madeline, and her mother, who watched through the front window of their house as the creature stood about six feet away.
unidentified		This creature is about from three to four feet high.
		This creature was walking in a crawling way.
		Crawling, like he was crawling.
		It's like when you get up here and you get a jump It's just that way when he just stood right here and then he just jumped over the cyclone friends and he hit himself way up there by the grass.
		After this appearance that I saw him, my wife also saw him the same day around 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
		It's 2:00 and 4:00 the same day in the afternoon.
		Parada al frente mío.
		Se ve el cristal como por espacio de casi un minuto.
		This creature was standing in front of me for a space of a minute.
		And I could observe it very well.
		How far from her sitting here now, too?
		How far is here?
		How far was the creature from your person?
		More or less like four to five feet where my husband is.
		Four to five feet apart.
		And the thing that really impressed me was the eyes of this creature.
		And I get scared.
		I don't have to talk about this.
		What?
		Because I have the experience eye to eye.
		Okay.
		What is there anything she can compare the eyes that she was looking at to anything?
		Ay algo que tu pueras comparar lo todor este animal congalo que que aviso en la vida.
		Cos vena, yo més dio vercielo que parence si enceramente.
		Este desto esto tene ta es que tinta en la pelicula.
		Excuse me, I have to laugh, but it seems to me like it looked like one of these extraterrestrials that you see in movies.
		The color of the eyes were large with gray.
		The eyes, the whole eyes, was like wet.
		What happened at the feet?
		And how were the feet?
		The feet below were like a person, but the only thing was that they were three fingers, what I told them.
		It looked like human feet, but the only difference that I saw in his three toes.
		And there was a lot of uh musk on the foot.
		But it looked like a human foot.
		Pero sevella como.
		Sevella fias.
		Very clear.
		But it looks like fingers that had cards.
		but with those uñas it was more, I don't know, more atend.
		But the nails give you the impression of fiercely, fearly impression.
		Okay, so it would be like a hand like mine.
		Elamano como la mía.
		How long with my nails?
		Okay, that's about at least two inch nails.
		Two inch nails.
		Yeran con cunva.
		And occur.
		The color of the colour.
		Oh, pura.
		Uh, gray, but very dark.
		When I started screaming, that's when my money came out.
		I printed at the beginning.
		I thought he was a kangaroo.
		Because the nose was kind of the face was kind of long, a long face.
		But when I saw the back, I could see some feather on the back that were laid down.
		And then I looked to see whether he has the tail.
		But I have no tail.
		And then I thought that it was not a kangaroo.
		Then that pin just went through the grass on the other side.
		And he hit itself on the grass.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		A month later in September, a computer technician named Juan Morati was walking to his car at 5 o'clock in the afternoon when he was frightened by a different creature.
unidentified		I had the feeling someone was looking at me, right?
		I take a glance and I see it and I see the red sea guys and I said, And I got, you know, worrisome, scared.
		So I kept looking to the car.
		I didn't want to show the animal.
		I had fears, so I kept walking.
		Then I took a second look and I see right over there, the yellow one, the dry branch.
		Oh, yeah.
		It was right there.
		And it was sitting upright, not hanging down, upright.
		What, sitting on that branch?
		Yes, upright.
		It was not hanging down like the bat.
		It was going upright.
		Then it was all black and non-reflective black.
		Like a band, you know, but non-reflective.
		But the eyes were really round.
		It was like a red Coca-Cola can.
		But it is reflective.
		Very glassy, the eyes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And what you're saying is that that, whatever it was, appeared black.
unidentified		Non-reflective black.
unidentified		Except for the eyes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		They were like a red on a Coca-Cola can.
unidentified		Or a catchy portal, but really glassy.
		Very reflective.
		High easy.
		Then I really got scared, you know, so I kept walking without showing the animal.
		I had fear.
		So I keep walking to the car.
		Then I hear this sound.
		Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		I look again and he's flying away.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And Aric, about a month and a half after that sighting, a long enough time to not say there was a direct link, he's the man who found one of his pit bulls, a male, with two puncture marks in the side of its neck.
		I've seen the videotape.
		The dog is still alive.
		It was loud and barking when I was there, but the two holes did not ooze any blood or any fluid.
		And then the week before I was there, one of his female dogs also suffered some puncture marks in her neck.
		And his entire home and where the dogs are is enclosed by approximately an eight-foot-high chain cyclone fence all the way around the property.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What in the world do you think it is down there?
		I mean, whatever it was motivated you to go flying down to Puerto Rico, boom, just like that.
		What do you think that is?
		What is that creature?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what has motivated me and the people who want to be down there is that if we could get some of the tissue and some of the grass and do some of the research that we've done on animals, we might see if there is a common denominator to what we found in other parts of the world to start off with.
		And the second thing is, what are we dealing with?
		Because this creature that the family described is a distinct humanoid shape that appears to be able to walk on two feet.
		She said that they look human to her except three-toed with the second and the fourth toe missing, so to speak, spaces there.
		But that, whatever it is, it tends to go down onto the front arms also when it begins to move.
		Many people have described that.
		And then here is this creature that this man has described.
		And it reminds me of some of the reports going all the way back 20-some years ago when the vampire of mocha was a phenomenon on the northwestern corner of Puerto Rico, clear to the far end from Canovanus, where they also found the same kinds of animals, chickens, goats, cows, horses, and rabbits, with puncture marks 25 years ago.
		But I don't recall, and if anybody listening has any contrary files, I'd be happy to hear.
		But I don't remember any reports 25 years ago of this kind of creature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to take your address here and phone number in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I'll say this, and I think I said it to you last week when you were in Puerto Rico, eventually, one of these days, Linda, you keep going to these hotspots where things are happening, and you're going to come face to face with a pair of red eyes.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And then what am I going to do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait to find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell people how to get a hold of me, please.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Let's see.
		I'll start with the fact that I do have a new mailing address because a new post office has come into the community where I live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And so it is now Post Office Box 300, and the city is Jamison, J-A-M-I-S-O-N, Pennsylvania.
		And the zip code is 1-8929.
		And again, Post Office Box 300, Jameson, Pennsylvania, 1-8929.
		And the toll-free 800 number for information about my books and documentaries or to leave a brief message is 800-707-9993.
		Again, that's 800-707-9993.
		And my fax number is 215-491-9842.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
		Linda, we will look forward to hearing from you next week.
		And it'll be at a slightly later hour, giving everybody a taste of Linda Howe in the third hour of the program.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, by the way, I've got a surprise for you.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get to do the whole third hour.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, you do.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we'll talk to you.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I'll talk you up for it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll talk to you next week.
		Thank you very much.
		That's Linda Howe, of course, all the way from Philadelphia.
		And I thought I'd surprise her.
		You know, she gets a whole third hour.
		It's going to be a very, very interesting show next week.
		We'll be right back.
		He'll tell us all about it next.
unidentified		Gee.
		Gee.
		From the Kingdom of Nine, we continue with your calls on Greenland with our bell.
		Call Art now, toll-free, at 1-800-618-8255.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1-800-618-TALK.
unidentified		First time callers, Area Code 702-727-1222.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		702-727-1222.
unidentified		Or the wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		727-1295.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eat the 702 area code.
unidentified		Now again, here's Dart Bender.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		All right, now listen carefully.
		The name of the book is Bigfoot Memoirs, My Life with the Sasquatch by Stan Johnson.
		Rumors of UFO appearances have long been reported near sightings of Sasquatch, as many of you know, I hope.
		As elusive as the extraterrestrials, the giant Sasquatch have remained aloof to human contact until they asked Stan Johnson, we'll find out why, to act as Goodwill Ambassador and tell their story.
		Accompanied with the Sasquatch, Mr. Johnson relates contact with extraterrestrial craft and interdimensional travel.
		Among the many species that Johnson met in the company of Sasquatch was, guess what?
		A six-fingered humanoid.
		The six fingers of the extraterrestrial recovered in the 1947 Socorro crash shattered the previously popular concept of the four-fingered gray alien.
		Bigfoot Memoise was set to page and at press when the autopsy confirmed Bigfoot Memoise's account of highly sentient life forms with six fingers associated with the extraterrestrial.
		So in other words, when the big story on the Carl crash and the film broke, Mr. Johnson had already gone to press with his account.
		So it certainly underscores it very well in just one moment, but surprisingly, that's 1-800-877-9799, North American Trading and one other item, and then off to the races we go.
		The Sasquatch races.
		It's real talk, and it's in stock at 7.30 a.m.
		It is the hottest electronic item of the year.
		The number is 1-800-522-8863.
		That's 1-800-522-8863, the Sea Grain Company.
		Now, all the way up to somewhere in Oregon, I guess.
		Stan Johnson, are you there?
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Stan?
unidentified		I'm in Oakland, Oregon.
unidentified		That's right the southern central part, about 70 miles from the Pacific coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		Right in the mountains?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be actually Bigfoot country, wouldn't it?
unidentified		Yes, it would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Stan, I don't know where to begin.
		I recently got a photograph of what somebody claims to be a Bigfoot creature.
		Are you sure, certain, absolutely positive?
		You must be, based on the advanced billing here, that there is such a thing as Sasquatch.
unidentified		Well, I tell you, I would like to introduce myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I am Sam Johnson, as you know.
		I've been hypnotized twice.
		I took the sodium penothol once, the voice stress test once, to prove that everything I'm saying is my experience.
		Mine.
		Nobody else is telling me.
		I don't go investigate it.
		Nobody or nothing.
		They come and get me.
		And that's all my experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess you've...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've had a lot of requests for radio and television interviews, haven't you?
unidentified		I've been on this right now, makes over 456 talk shows in the last nine years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think they picked you, Stan?
unidentified		I haven't any idea.
		I asked that question.
		They said, because you're you, you will never change.
		I'm an old retired logger and rancher.
		I'm 80 years old.
		I still get around good because I have help from upstairs.
		And I, so therefore, and I go in, if I need help, I go into another dimension, fifth dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's kept you alive?
unidentified		That's kept me alive and going, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was your first encounter?
unidentified		Well, now we have to go back on that.
		Actually, most due to us, I start out there about where I met him up here.
		But the first time I ever met the, I was born in the state of Missouri in the Ozark Mountains.
		1923, I met what they called the wild man, which was the Bigfoot.
		Back there, they call him the wild man.
		My dad, my mother, everybody never thought nothing about it, about him, because they knew they were around there in the Ozark Mountains.
		We moved away from the, and I got pretty well acquainted with him.
		I'd go over and get the cattle of the evening when I was eight, seven, eight years old.
		I played about two years with but a stake in the ground under a big hickory nut tree, and he would get ten hickory nuts to see who could hit that stick the most times.
		He'd lay down, so he wouldn't be so large.
		He was, I'd say, seven and a half feet tall and weighed about 325 pounds.
		He was very muscular.
		He looked like a big basketball player.
		We left there, as old old Holmes did, and we left.
		We went about nine miles from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, Stan, wait.
		What did this creature look like?
		You gave me his height, very muscular, you said, but...
unidentified		Hairy?
unidentified		Very, very muscular, like a big basketball player.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but I'm asking, was he hairy?
unidentified		Yes, he had hair about four inches long all over his body.
unidentified		And not completely all over his face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Stan, if I came face-to-face with a creature like that, it'd scare the hell out of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd go run the other way.
unidentified		All right.
		Now, that's just exactly what we're after.
		We're after something after So, the people, these people will come out and have their pictures taken.
		Now, I asked a guy that I was acquainted with, he's the reporter for tabloid, I won't tell you which one, if I got him a chance to go up and take a picture, if he would put it in the paper just like they were.
		And he said, no, he couldn't do that, because that's the way they make their money.
		They've got to keep them animals.
		They're not animals.
		They're human beings.
		They get married just like we do.
		They have families just like we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do.
unidentified		They pray to God just like we do, and they're vegetarians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Stan, I've, you know, I live out here in a fairly isolated area, but I do get around, and I've never seen one.
unidentified		Well, that's the reason you, like you said, you would scare you, didn't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, something seven foot.
unidentified		What we're trying to do is get people to realize there's something to be scared about.
unidentified		They've never harmed a person in their lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but wait a minute, Stan.
		You said they get married, they have children, they...
		Well, then we should be seeing some seven-foot, very hairy, muscular types.
unidentified		That's what means large, gentle being by the ending language.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, does it?
unidentified		That's what they named them hundreds of years ago hundreds of years ago they've dealt with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I did not know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It means large, gentle being.
unidentified		Yes.
		And that's just what they are.
		They go in and out of the fifth dimension.
		Now we've poisoned all their food.
		They're strictly vegetarian.
		By the spray and stuff, and there's a big reward out for them, dead or alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, were you aware that Sasquatch was officially put on the endangered species list?
unidentified		When was that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A couple of days ago.
unidentified		I've seen that.
unidentified		But was that actually true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I could say something humorous and say if Dan Rather said it, it must be accurate.
unidentified		Was he the one that said it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dan Rather, who reported it.
unidentified		I just caught just a part of it, and I just seen it on the.
		Well, that's what I've been trying to do.
		That's what we've been working on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, trying to get Bigfoot on the endangered.
unidentified		Well, we're just trying to get the reward stuck off of them, and so they can help people when you get lost in the woods.
unidentified		They can help you and bring you out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a scientist up in Washington, and I had his name.
unidentified		Grover Clint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wrote an article in a newspaper last week saying that he believes the first Sasquatch should be shot.
unidentified		That's the one that he's got a lot to do with this award I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		You're talking about Grover Karent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		yeah i believe that's correct and uh...
unidentified		he said He wouldn't do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he said then this person who shoots the second one ought to be hung.
		But he said, for the sake of science, the first one ought to be shot.
		You don't think so, huh?
unidentified		What I asked him, what if it was the last one on earth?
		And he said, so what?
		We'd know what it was.
		Not what it is today, but what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What it was, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yesterday, right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we could dissect it and find out about it.
unidentified		That's right.
		I don't believe that.
		Now you talk about all this other.
		I don't travel around too much because I can't afford.
		I don't take money for a lot of stuff.
		I make about, I'll make about, oh, maybe $2,000 off my book I got out.
		But that'll be about it.
		I'll imagine.
		Because I go do seminars.
		I will get, if I may say so, a place that I'm going to be in June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're welcome to, sure.
unidentified		Okay, I'm going to be in New Orleans, Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, we're being there.
unidentified		With Charlie McLean will be my host.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		And we have, I don't know how many of the people will be there, and a guy that you had not too long ago, which is a very dear friend of mine, Colonel Harley Bird.
		Oh, yes.
		He will be there.
		And we will be down there, and we'll be on CNN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to get some things straightened out in my mind.
unidentified		That's what I'm here for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Hi, anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Make me understand.
		They get married, they have children, they live as we do, and yet we don't see them.
		Or at least, we barely see them.
unidentified		Well, if you see them, they have been several people run and hurt themselves.
unidentified		They have been people who had a heart attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can understand that.
unidentified		Well, there was a guy not long ago, a man about 52 years old, had a heart attack back up here in the mountains, not too far from where I live.
		Because one stepped out in the path, him and his boy, 14-year-old boy, not the Sasquatch boy, but this guy was hiking.
		And this guy had, the man had a heart attack.
		The Sasquatch told the boy to go down, ask him if he had a radio in their pickup about a quarter of a mile away.
		And he said, yes.
		He said, go call the paramedics.
		Just like that.
		I'll give him a live till you get back.
		The paramedics, two of them, they said they seen him there, and he said he's all yours.
		He's still alive.
		And he took off and just vanished.
		Because he went into another dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So their lives, the lives that you're talking about, they have being married with children and all the rest of it.
unidentified		They go into the fifth dimension.
unidentified		Vortex is three miles from where I live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a vortex?
unidentified		Yeah, that's a door into another dimension.
		The lady that edited this book, she was teened down, her and the publisher, and I took them up there and I told her, take off her shoes and stand in one spot, and she'll tell you, right in the front of the book.
		Said she was skeptic, but after she stood there and felt the sob and the quiver of the earth, which was the door of the time warp, and when you go in, that she was feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've been there, Stan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's on the other side?
unidentified		It's a beautiful, beautiful.
unidentified		If there's ever a paradise out there, and every animal, human being in there is a vegetarian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All vegetarians, huh?
unidentified		And when I came out, came back home, I started to tell my wife about the color of the pathway, the big cobblestone pathway, and the big castle that was there.
		She said, wait, wait, let me tell you something.
		She told me exactly the color of it, exactly the pathway, what it looked like, because she said she had never been there.
		She said she had dreamed it, but she hadn't dreamed it.
		She had been there in her astro form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so there's a door and you've taken people to this door.
unidentified		Have you taken them?
unidentified		I can't take them to them, but I can't take them in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't take them in it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
unidentified		I haven't got that much authority.
		Not much power to do it.
		Because if I do that, then I would lose all the all that I've learned and have got.
		I'm praying.
		That is the power that I've got to travel.
		I can teleport or I can astral.
		I've been traveling out of my body for years.
		But so that's the reason I've been asked why I didn't turn them in, trick one up and turn him in for the money that's offered.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
unidentified		They're just like families.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but a million dollars is a lot of money, Stan.
unidentified		Yeah, how about fellas that love us?
		I love people.
		Well, I don't know.
		I think I got $140 in my pocket, and that's what we've got.
		We live on $900 a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We call them Sasquatch, but really are they just...
unidentified		That's A, it's got a big R and then a small R, like would be Min Mac.
		It's A. It's A R R O W E. And his wife's name is Nate T, N A T E. Spelled kind of like Nate.
		His daughter's name was La Kell.
		L-O-C-K-E-L-L.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And they can only have one child unless something happens to the man or the woman.
unidentified		And then they can get married again and have another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's like the Chinese.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they control their population that way.
		That's right.
		Do they live in regular homes, as we know, they don't.
		No?
		What do they live in?
unidentified		Up here, they kind of built a hut across down to the dry creek bed.
		And they're the cleanest people I ever see.
		Anytime they're around water, they'll bathe.
		And when they don't, you know what Penny Royal is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Yes, the Peppermint family like to put in dog and flea collars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, yes, yes.
unidentified		They wrap their bodies down with that two and three times a day, because it grows wild in the mountains out in here.
		Most any mountains you can find it.
		And when you walk through them, you'll smell a kind of a funny smell, and that's the, you're stepping on that pennyroyal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		But anyway, they are in that hut, but just as clean, they have furbrows on the ground.
		And they left there about two weeks after I stayed up there with them a while.
		And one night, in fact, there, I went back about three weeks later, and I couldn't find a sign of nothing around there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Stan, you talk to them, right?
unidentified		Yes, I talk to them.
unidentified		They can talk any language you start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's great.
		That's a lot of communication.
		Then, Stan, my question is, why have you not asked them why me?
unidentified		Why me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what do they tell you?
unidentified		They say, Stan, because you're you and always will be you.
		you'll never change.
		They meant because money is...
		We've got a place.
		It's paid for.
		We got $900 a month.
		Why do we worry about money?
		My wife's 75 and I'm 80.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they feel safe with you?
unidentified		And I know because Steven Spielberg's been a field man out here in 1987.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he, really?
unidentified		Yes, he did.
		I don't know where he sent him or not, but he came out here and he had a blank check.
		We wouldn't accept it.
		I don't know how much he gave me.
		He writes to have made a lily out of this because he wanted to make animals out of them like the damn Towbloys do.
		So, I've got a picture of Cliff Crook's picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He claims he's got a picture of Bigfoot.
		I've got that.
		And it does look like a big animal.
		And what you're saying then is this is not Bigfoot.
unidentified		Well, I don't doubt nobody's worth or anything about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very.
unidentified		But a guy told me that was supposed to help take a picture a long time ago of one that was in a book.
		I'm not saying what book or anything, and he said that it was touched up.
		And he was one of the best photographers around in this part of the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem is anything these days can be touched up.
unidentified		But I'm saying that these people out here, there are seven species, but most of them like the Yeti and the snowman and those like that.
		They're all going the same deal.
		But the Sasquatch was, put it this way.
		The Sasquatch was the first people on this planet.
		It's their planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They were here before we were.
unidentified		Yeah, because they have one more deal that we care with.
		They have two sets of lungs.
		And when God built this earth, there wasn't enough vegetation.
		There wasn't enough shrubbery here, there wasn't enough oxygen for people like us to live.
		So he sent the task what's done.
		And when it got where we could live, then, my friend, we're all space people because that's where we came from.
		Now, Archangel Michael told me this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Archangel Michael.
unidentified		Archangel Michael.
		Lord Michael.
		Lord Gabriel.
		Archangel Gabriel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a religious person?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a religious person?
unidentified		Not exactly.
		I believe from my heart.
		I go from what my heart tells me.
		My Bible is my heart.
		My church is my heart.
		I don't go to church.
		I am an ordained minister, but I do spiritual healings, or rather I'm an instrument of it.
		Jesus and God gives me the power to do that.
		I do that.
		I had to be ordained because they told me psychic healing was against the law.
		So it cost me $25 for five councilmen and the ministers to sign the papers and hand them in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Flatly piece of paper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to do what you got to do, I guess.
unidentified		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But once again, Sasquatch, haven't you wondered?
		I'm sure you've wondered.
		They say because you are you, you must have wondered yourself, how could they know this about you, that you were not dangerous to me?
unidentified		Well, like I say, they had been, told me, they had been watching me practically all my life.
		I've never lived in town.
		I always knew there was something out there.
		My wife and I talked, right out in the yard in the summertime, and we'd, hey, something's around.
		What is it?
		Something, you know.
		And we'd look up at the stars and we'd wonder what was going on.
		Now, when I went into the fifth dimension, there was a fruit tree growing there.
		A big smelling like fruit hanging down like a honeydew melon.
		And I asked them if that was good to eat, and they said, yes, it was hanging right pretty down to the ground.
		And I said, they asked me if I wanted them to pick me one.
		And I said, absolutely not.
		I want to pick it.
		I picked it and ate it, and it did taste like a honeydew melon.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So to go back to the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we're going to have to hold up, Stan, for just a moment.
		We're at the top of the hour, so relax for a few minutes.
		I know you've got a cold, and we'll be right back to you.
		This is Dreamland.
		Has families as normal people.
		They do not live in houses.
		They're vegetarians.
		And we're going to find out, and yet they do have big, muscular, hairy bodies.
		And we'll find out more in a moment.
		You.
		Right now.
		Back now to Oregon and Stan Johnson.
		Stan?
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Sasquatch eats nothing but vegetables, vegetarian.
unidentified		That's right.
		And they have an education for four more.
		There's a 16-year-old girl that I have got her picture sketched.
		An Indian medicine woman sketched it by looking at me and having me to look at her and say that I think that she was this girl.
		And she has her education is equal to about five bachelor degrees that we get out of our college.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not just take a good 35-millimeter camera cross with you?
unidentified		You won't let me do that.
		That is one request.
		That is another reason people don't see them.
		They take a camry.
		They don't want their pictures taken until they're ready for it to be took.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And that's the reason you don't find no bones.
		You don't find no hair.
		There's been nothing found of those people because they go right back into the fifth dimension just at a snap of the finger.
		As I have a deal here, a book about the Indians, where they seen them over in eastern Oregon, just disappear right into the face of the cliff, right into a cliff, and they couldn't figure out how.
		They went up there and there was no hole or nothing.
		They just went in.
		The spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you know where there's one vortex.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a fellow here from Bakersfield, California, who wants to know if there are other vortexes or doors, if you will, or openings into the And from there, I don't know where.
unidentified		There is actually three doors here, but they can go in anywhere.
		I can only go in one of these three spots.
		And at the Red Rock Canyon, you're away that's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course I do.
unidentified		Okay, there's a Red Rock Canyon.
unidentified		There's a vortex right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen to this.
		This is what somebody just faxed in, Stan.
		Dear Art, I can't believe what you just read for the introduction of Stan Johnson about Bigfoot Sasquatch asking him to tell their story.
		What story?
		Bigfoot is no more related to aliens than a gorilla.
		The common belief among Bigfoot researchers is that Bigfoot is a descendant of Gigantinopolis, a prehistoric ape.
		Your guest does nothing but cause people to laugh at real researchers.
		Sasquatch means wild man of the woods, not large, gentle beings.
		I have no idea where your guest gets his information from.
		Maybe the National Tabloid Papers.
		What do you say to that?
unidentified		Because I hate the tabloid papers.
		That's what I'm trying to do.
		Prove it they're not, and I will prove it sooner or later if they'll take that reward out so that they can come out and we have their pictures took.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think it's the reward that's keeping them?
unidentified		It is absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want a million dollars is a lot of money.
unidentified		I want to get some reporter, a couple reporters, go up there sometime this year, I hope.
		And we'll take some pictures because they want to help the people.
		Same as the space people out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but you are connecting them, and that's what causes this man to say what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said, again, Bigfoot is no more related to aliens than a gorilla is.
unidentified		That Bigfoot is an alien.
		He had his own planet up there at one time.
		The own planet, and they was like we were with Russia, trying to see who could build the biggest bomb, and they blew up their planet.
		So the other planets, 17 other planets that's in our Federation, we make 18, they went and picked them up, brought them off on their planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said they blew up their planet?
unidentified		They blew up their planet.
		It just practically burned up.
		Well, um...
		I don't know what that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laser bomb.
		Okay, but wait a minute, Sam.
		You said that their name means big, gentle people.
unidentified		No, I said the Indians gave them that name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why?
unidentified		We're so big.
unidentified		We're gentle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would big and gentle people blow up a planet?
unidentified		But they're gentle here.
		They will fight.
		One of these guys got killed when the spaceship tried to keep another spaceship out here from destroying our planet.
		They're guarding us all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they are our friends.
unidentified		But they're gentle people here.
		They're our friends.
		To us.
		They're gentle to the Indians and gentle to the people.
		They're lovable people.
		That was one thing I told him when the first thing I went up there before I seen him.
		I said, hey, I've got something I'd want to give you.
		I want to give you my love, unconditional love.
		If you'd please take it.
		If not, let's just be friends.
		And the guy spoke to me and said, we want your love.
		We've had it for years and knew it.
		So therefore they are what I'm telling them.
		And the only reason this world ain't destroyed already is because of the space people.
		They're the people on the other planets.
		And you've seen that face on Mars that they showed around.
		There's no face on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, there is.
unidentified		No, do not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, what is it?
unidentified		It's an observation dome.
		The big dome.
		People lived inside of Mars.
		They don't live on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People live inside of Mars.
unidentified		Inside of Mars.
		There's a 475 mile an hour wind goes around their acid acid dust that twirls around there 24 hours a day.
		They're amazed that there's a lot of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that we sent a probe to Mars, and we know quite a bit about its atmosphere.
unidentified		Well, I've been there, sir.
unidentified		I've been inside of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to argue.
unidentified		Like I said, it's my experience I'm talking about.
		And if people don't believe me, I can't help it.
		And like I say, I've had some pretty big talks at a place.
		I've even been on London stations all over the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying you were hypnotized twice?
unidentified		I was hypnotized twice, I was in Penethrs once in the voice dress test.
		I was in Penethrs because CIA gave it to me because I...
		I need to signed up.
		Universal law out there that President Harding signed and says that no one planet could interfere with the other planets during time of war.
		I seen it.
		John Lear had it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John Lear.
unidentified		John Lear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're much deeper into this than I imagined you were.
unidentified		Well, I've been into it.
		I mean, I could say, every time I go out in space, I go to Cirrus 4.
		That's the Dogstar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cirrus 4?
unidentified		Seems like I'm going home.
		That's Big Dipper.
		I'll never pick it up in the Big Dipper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that where they are from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Cirrus 4?
unidentified		The who?
		Bigfoot?
		Yeah.
		No, they're from, it was Santa Terra, I believe was the name of their planet.
		They blew up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where is that?
unidentified		I haven't any idea, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
unidentified		I haven't any idea.
		I have been and seen seven other five other planets.
		And I knew that I was put out.
		There was a guy in Dallas, Texas, a radio station there that I was on that got mad because the science said they couldn't figure out why that comet didn't hit Jupiter.
		I told him six months before that it wouldn't hit Jupiter because I was told that they would blow it up the same way they're blowing up them things that the lady of Howell that was just on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Linda Howe.
unidentified		Linda Howe?
		Yeah.
		They blow up stuff like that before it hits the ground and it's the center.
		They got a deal that they'll just disintegrate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They, meaning Sasquatch?
unidentified		Yeah, well, no, no, no, no.
		I mean, people from other space other planets.
		Mostly they'll be from Stereospore or Sidka or someplace like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are protecting things from hitting Earth.
unidentified		They have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Because, well, let's say, you put 18 boats out here on a still lake of water.
		Somebody rocks one of them boats.
		That'll start a chain reaction, and it'll interfere with all these other boats.
		Anything that'll interfere with this planet will interfere with one of these other paddies.
		It'll keep going and it'll cause everyone else in trouble.
		And we've done rocked our boats.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've rocked our boat, huh?
unidentified		We've knocked it off its axes, all the underground explosions, and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've been doing that, the French, most recently, that's for sure.
		All right, Stan, stand by, and we'll be right back to you.
		You're listening to Dreamland.
		We all know that information is what it's all about.
		And look, if you want to be plugged into the latest, hottest, hard data on UFOs, I've got something for you.
		Get a pen, get a paper.
		It's called UFO News World Report.
		It is just brimming with the information you're looking for.
		UFO News searches the world to objectively cover the whole alien spectrum, from sightings, encounters, to alleged abduction.
		I want to take a couple of phone calls and let people ask you.
unidentified		Go ahead.
unidentified		I've got a lot of people right there in Las Vegas waiting for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here's their big chance.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		This is Fritz from Phoenix calling.
		Art, you've got to admit, this time, you took a bigger bite than you can chew, huh?
		Well, Stan.
		Yeah?
		Stan, you're at it again.
		You're telling the whole nation about Bigfoot Daddy.
		Don't you know he has to move his family again?
		And something else, Stan, I think you should get the Nobel Prize for telling us everything.
		I have to move what?
		Bigfoot Daddy has to move his family again because you're telling the whole nation where he is.
		No, he won't.
		All he's got to do is go back into the fifth dimension.
		Stan, Stan, don't you quit?
		Don't you know when it's time to quit?
		Oh, I'll never quit till I go over the hills.
		Well, Stan, they're waiting for you.
		Goodbye, Stan.
		Yeah, thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know that man, do you, Stan?
unidentified		I. That voice, I think, I'm not for sure, but I do it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Yes, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kentucky, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I was wondering if your guest was familiar with the Patterson film, and if he could comment with us.
		Sir, where is that?
		i know it about newton for years is that an actual picture uh photograph and movie of yes it's a That's what I was talking about a while ago.
		The guy that took that picture was, if he did, he said he did anyway, that done all the work on it, that it was touched up.
		Oh, that one was touched up.
		That's all I know about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about the caller?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this the famous moving video of Bigfoot?
unidentified		Yes, where he was riding a horse and was thrown and it was taken somewhere in California.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, Stan, you're saying that picture was touched up?
unidentified		Well, I'm saying I think it was.
		I was told it was.
		I'm not saying it was.
		I'm not.
		But I don't believe that in the first place, they tell me they can't be a picture took of them unless they want it.
		Huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Great show, Stan, the U District.
		Yes, Dan.
		Hope your mom got my facts before she left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She did.
unidentified		I'll just, one question, and I'll hang up and listen.
		And this is an incredible show.
		They just keep getting more intense, Art.
		If your guest could tell us what His take is on the story of Frank Strangis and Valthor and the crew people from Victor One, and I'll hang up and listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know about Valthor and all the rest of that?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's your take on that, Stan?
unidentified		There's no comment on that because I know Frank Strangis pretty well, and I know I've been to a lot of his meetings.
		I spoke with him.
		I was on the tour with him and Tim Beckley.
		And he seems to be like a very straight guy.
		But I don't know about nothing about Bal Thor.
		I know there was one guy here.
		He was in the Pentagon.
		And they did, they're still supposed to have his suit of clothes there.
		And they still haven't found no way to burn it or to cut it or to destroy it.
		Odd.
		Because whatever it's made out of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's quite a story you've got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Instead of Sasquatch, as the Baxter said, being a remnant still on this plane, in this dimension with us, you're telling us Sasquatch has a whole nother world in another dimension, that there are connections to aliens and all the rest of it, right?
unidentified		That's right.
		He was thinking, like I say, now they live just on other planets and mostly in the other dimensions, in the fifth dimension.
		But we are in the third dimension ourselves.
		Science tells us that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, who gave you these tests that you took?
unidentified		They were high professionals from college that done it and doctors.
		And I had five people of my own each time.
		When I had sodium penthol, it was given for CIA.
		I had a guy, there were five people that I knew, good friends.
		They told me not to talk about what the government knew about aliens and what they had dealings with them.
		They told me what they did, and it's there.
		There's a law in Washington, D.C. that anybody caught talking to an alien can be thrown in solitary confinement, and he will stay there for the rest of his life.
		He'll never see nobody, and nobody will ever see him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sam?
unidentified		I came home.
		I told him I was keep talking.
		I came home, about two weeks later, I've still got bullet holes in my door facing.
		I was standing out on the front porch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sam?
		Yeah.
		If the CIA gave you sodium pentothal, the CIA didn't.
unidentified		A doctor did.
unidentified		But he was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Directed by the CIA?
unidentified		Yeah, but he had to ask, he couldn't ask just so many questions, and that was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have the records of this?
		I do.
		In other words, they gave you the medical records of the test results and everything?
unidentified		Yeah, all the results.
		And I have witnesses to prove that I was done it.
		And like I say, all I like to do is just hope people will understand that there are other people out there besides us.
		There's people that's trying to help us.
		And you talk about the crop circles.
		I have five, there's five circles in less than three city blocks of where I live, in the mountains up here and down in a flat valley.
		Some of them have been there for over 18 and 86.
		I traced back.
		Burnt in the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think you live in this other dimension, Stan?
		Is there a parallel physically?
		In other words, when you move into the fifth dimension from there and where you are in Oregon, is the other side very much the same from a climatic point of view, a physical point of view, the foliage, is it similar?
unidentified		Similarly, it is in a way, but when you go in, I weighed about approximately 190 pounds.
		And in there, it seemed like I weighed about 100 pounds, because it's lighter, the air is lighter.
		I had a little trouble breathing for a few minutes.
		And another thing, don't do that door.
		You better not have no metal whatever.
		They got me a jumpsuit to put on.
		And you, because you got, you'll burn up because it's a static.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of the same rules as one has with the microwave.
		All right, Stan.
		Stand by.
		And we'll come back to you and take calls for about another half hour here in just a moment.
		You're listening to Stan Johnson, who's been to the fifth dimension and back many times.
		more in a moment.
		Back to the lines for you and look what they have to say.
		East of the Ranger on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing, Art?
unidentified		This is Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to know.
		I wanted to ask two quick questions.
		What's the most he's ever seen of these beings at one time?
		And are there sexual organs similar to humans?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Both good questions.
		Are they as pop that is their world as populated?
		How many have you ever seen at one time?
unidentified		I've seen seven at one time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven.
unidentified		Seven.
		And they are, I don't know, there's several thousand all over the United States.
		And all over the world, like I say, there's different, there's seven species of them.
		They're different type, like the white, and then there's a brown-colored one, and then there's some yellow hair.
		But these up here is mostly brown or dark brown.
		It look black at a distance.
		How often do you see them?
		Now, I haven't.
		I've been pretty busy here lately, and I haven't, because I got to stay here and watch the telephone all the time on account of the book when they're calling in from other radio stations where I gave out the book.
		But anyway, I haven't talked to them now for about, oh, I'd say six weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the other question about their sexual organs, are they Similar to humans.
unidentified		They're just exactly the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
		Hello.
		Oh, I've got to push the button.
		West of the Rockies, now you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, hello.
		Art Bell?
		Yes.
		Good evening.
		This is great.
		Stan Johnson.
		The Only Planet of Choice.
		It's a book.
		And it talks about somebody by the name of Tom representing the Council of Nine.
		And they talk about extraterrestrials.
		And if we were out there, now we're here.
		Do you have a comment on that book?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a comment on that book, he said?
unidentified		I haven't read it.
		Yeah.
		Well, it talks a lot about what you're talking about, that we're not from here and...
		The Indians took United States.
		Black people took Africa and so on like that.
		That's how we got separated.
		Used to at one time there was 17 other planets up there and there was all one nationality on each planet.
		But now they migrate backward and forth just like United States.
		They've got all kinds of nationalities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, who brought us here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They brought us here?
unidentified		God did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God did.
unidentified		God had us put down here.
		Archangel Michael was the one that helped finish the planet.
		That's why he got the name Architect because he went and got some angels and made them, made architects out of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Architectural angels.
unidentified		That's why they're called Archangels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Archangels.
unidentified		Pick it up in the Bible and you'll find it there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		I enjoy the show.
		With all due respect to Mr. Johnson, I feel that you could have gotten a better person to represent the subject.
		You know, that's all I have to say.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
unidentified		Thanks, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Stan, I've got to kind of agree with him in a way.
		I'm a little concerned about the way you're presenting this.
		You know, tying it up with aliens that are protecting us in the fifth dimension, and it all seems awfully wild to me.
unidentified		Well, how is it that so many people have seen spaceships and seen stuff like that?
		Are they all liars, too?
		No, people say they're being abducted.
		Are they liars?
		Well, there's no...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no reason.
		Sam, there's no money off of it.
		Uh-huh.
		Well, yes, you are.
		You wrote a book.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
		I spent several thousand dollars until we're broke going and doing seminars on my own.
		I went to Washington.
		I came to Nevada there one time.
		I went to Phoenix, Arizona.
		I paid every damn thing out of my own pocket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
		Well, the question is, why, Stan?
		Why would you do that?
unidentified		Because I have friends up here that is just what people out there call animals.
		I want to get them brought out so that they can prove that they're not animals.
		They're human beings.
		They're space people.
		They better wake up and better take heat.
		And like I said, the government has been dealing with these people for years and years and kept us hit.
		If you remember, Eisenhower met with them on the golf course in Palm Springs, California.
		And it's a very documented fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never seen that document.
unidentified		Well, it is.
		It's there.
		Get hold of Don Lear or Bill Cooper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know them both.
unidentified		So either one of them can give you that.
		Look at Bill Cooper.
		He's been shot at three or four times because he's putting that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Shane Lexington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From where?
unidentified		Lexington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I just wanted to raise a couple points about what Stan's saying.
		He's totally ignoring physics.
		I mean, he's using the fifth dimension as if it's, you know, a three-dimensional.
		He's describing the fifth dimension, you know, with three-dimensional creatures existing in it.
		And, I mean, that's not even possible.
		It's like a contradiction.
		I'm a physics student, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so you're saying, should there be a fifth dimension?
		Oh, I'm not.
		It would not have any relationship that we understand to where we are now in the third.
unidentified		Exactly, or really four dimensions, including time.
		It'd be like a two-dimensional creature trying to comprehend a three-dimensional creature, which is totally impossible.
		I mean, it's not perceivable to the human mind.
		I mean, well, to three-dimensional beings.
		And another thing, what he's describing is hyperspace, traveling, you know, from like at such far distances and, you know, such a little amount of time, vortexes and such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that would take the equivalent energy of like a million times the energy our sun can produce.
		And I mean, I just don't see where that's possible.
		I mean, not yet anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're saying on the one hand that that travel would be possible given a certain amount of energy.
unidentified		Yeah, theoretically it is, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Theoretically.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call.
		He says from a physics point of view, Stan, it can't be.
unidentified		But I don't know.
		I cut that.
		I have a seventh grade education.
		I don't know anything about that physics, but I do know that I can travel thousands and thousands of miles with their help in about five to ten seconds because you travel by thought and mind alone.
		And that's how now they run a lot of their spaceships.
		They put a helmet on their head or a trap around their head and they think about where they're going and that's where they're going.
		In the Bible, there's one place that says man will learn to travel by thought alone.
		I had a Catholic priest to tell me that and I have had a lot of them come and congratulate me on what I said about where we came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well actually on that score you're not very far off at all.
		As a matter of fact, right now Stan, they are testing helmets for our jet fighters that in fact allow aircraft to be manipulated by thought alone.
		Stay right where you are, Stan.
		We'll be right back to you.
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		All right, let's try and reconnect here with the fifth dimension.
		Stan?
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Let's take a couple more calls here, Stan, and see what people are saying.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
		Hi.
		Hello there?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Um, from Tuluth, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Go ahead.
		Oh, yes?
unidentified		Tulouth, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I got that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, sir.
unidentified		All right, I'd like to know if he knew of any other people that...
		Thank you.
		Where'd you go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Sir, why do you keep stopping?
		Ask your question.
		Goodbye.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Stan Johnson.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, is this the Sam Johnson on the...
unidentified		Okay.
		I had a couple comments.
		One was, I thought it was supposed to be about Bigfoot, and I have a thing about that.
		I had an encounter about 1994 in the summer in the Cascades.
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		They're there.
		And it was the, there were two objects there.
		I had a 40-pound back on my, or backpack.
		It was up by Trout Lake and Big Heart and Little Heart Lake in the North Cascades.
		And it was about a, oh, I don't know, a six or eight hour hike back there.
		And I never said this out publicly, but anyway, I saw these two objects.
		I thought they were bears, you know, because they were down on their all-fours.
		And it turned out to be, and then I sat down to rest a little bit, and I saw these objects.
		And then all of a sudden, I saw them stand up, and I thought it was bears standing up at their hindpaws.
		They were about, I imagine, 200, 300 feet away.
		And so, anyway, after they had left, they walked away, and they were, like I say, about six and a half feet, maybe five and a half feet, something like that.
		So when I got my courage up, I went over to where they were to see what they were doing.
		And there were some wild strawberries and stuff there.
		And they were kind of dark brownish color.
		They were not bears, definitely not bears, because I've shot bears before.
		And I was scared out of my pants.
		But I think Sam Johnson, is this Sam Johnson I'm talking to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Stan Johnson, sir.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
		Well, anyway, I think that that's a little far out to mention.
		I think it's a long way out.
		And I wish that we could have more anecdotal explanations, just like, you know, call in people like I'm doing myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we'll get to that here shortly.
		And if it comforts you, I agree with you.
		I think it sounds far out to me, too.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Doc Pel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I love your show, man.
		I listen to it every week and every night.
		If we're playing truth to trash, it's trash.
		Have a good night, Pel.
		Yeah, I see it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, they don't believe you.
unidentified		I kind of know what they believe, but like I say, it is true, and they're talking about why do they believe that we were in the third dimension?
		Because that's the same.
		When I was up there in the fifth dimension, I asked them where I was at.
		He said I was standing right in my front yard.
		I couldn't believe that either.
		How could I be standing in my front yard and not seeing my house?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, I don't think that it's necessarily that people don't believe, for example, that there are other dimensions, because I believe that may be possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's that people don't believe that there may be aliens or creatures from elsewhere, because that's possible.
unidentified		You know, way or is there anything else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan, Stan, Stan, let me finish, please.
unidentified		Earth class.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stan?
		Let me finish, please.
		I don't think that it's that they don't believe necessarily in any of these things that you're talking about the alternative world, the Sasquatch, UFOs, aliens, different dimensions.
		It's just that you have sort of tied everything together.
		You know, you have taken the most difficult to believe of all and tied them together, it seems like.
unidentified		But they are together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, obviously that's what you're saying, but that's what I think people are responding to and what I'm responding to when I say it sounds pretty far-fetched.
unidentified		Are you afraid to think that they're together?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Stan, I'm not.
unidentified		Well, that's what the people are, I think, out there.
		Are really afraid to admit it.
		They're afraid of the unknown.
		I was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, people are afraid, perhaps, of the unknown, but we deal with that on a regular basis on this program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the meat and potatoes of this program.
unidentified		What I was trying to say is, why are these people going to pay my plane ticket and the hotel room and everything to get me back there, and they know me?
		Jerry McClain knows me.
		All of them people knows me.
		Why are they going to do that?
		If they don't believe that they're just, I am telling the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you show people the records of the tests you've taken?
unidentified		No, I've never showed anybody the records of them.
		Well, just a few people right here in Oregon, where I live, my group that I'm with.
		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think that that would be...
unidentified		If they can't believe me, then they've got to believe.
		Why believe something on paper?
		They've got to believe that I'm who I am.
		I got to sell myself to the people, not my book or anything.
		I got to sell myself that I am truthful.
		I have no reason to.
		You're talking about the book.
		I won't make nothing off of that book.
		I'm in the hole by doing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can believe that.
		No, I do believe it, Stan.
		And I believe, actually, that you believe what you're saying as well.
		And then you go beyond that, and you say that all of this is achieved through astral or out-of-the-body travel, right?
unidentified		No, no, I didn't say that.
		I said I traveled out of the body.
		Well, I've traveled out of my body for years and years.
		That's easy.
		Everybody do.
		You do it if you dream.
		But that's how you go places, places.
		When you dream, you leave your body, but you control it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		I've had a lot of dreams, but I don't know that I've left my body, Stan.
		I can't say.
unidentified		How do you dream about being someplace else?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there is a scientific explanation for what dreams are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't fully understand them, but it does not automatically mean we are where we dream about.
unidentified		But anybody can leave their body if they just try it hard enough and you've got to concentrate and completely go relax and meditate and do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm as close as I ever have been.
unidentified		See, I can tell you right now, I don't take drugs, never have.
		I don't drink.
		I'm not a drinker, or I don't even smoke for nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Stan Johnson.
		Hello.
unidentified		Stan, hello.
		I'd like to say that I'd like to encourage Stan to keep telling the truth, and everything he says rings true.
		And I appreciate what he's doing, and I appreciate the risks he's taking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arizona.
		And you say this because of what?
		You say this because you know what he says is so.
		You've experienced it?
unidentified		I have experiences that correlate with what he is saying.
		And when someone tells the truth, you can tell if you know what you're listening for.
		And what he says is true.
		I would also like to say that in physics, there are an infinite number of two-dimensional spaces in three-dimensional space, which correlates, there are an infinite number of three-dimensional spaces in fourth and fifth-dimensional space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, going beyond me, I understand the third dimension.
		I'm not sure I understand the fifth or segments within each one of them.
		I'm not sure what you mean.
unidentified		Can you imagine a cube?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, then split that into planes.
unidentified		Those are two-dimensional spaces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see, I see.
unidentified		So if you take that a step higher, there's an infinite number of three-dimensional in a fourth or fifth dimensional.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
		Thank you very much.
		So there's a little support for you, Stan.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
unidentified		Well, good morning.
		That is good evening to you, gentlemen.
		And I'm calling from Fresno, California, San Joaquin Valley, Mr. Bell and Mr. Johnson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, I agree with Mr. Johnson.
		You don't have to be a scientist or a celebrity to experience the unknown or the paranormal.
		But what I'd like to ask you, Mr. Bell, and you, Mr. Johnson, if you haven't experienced all these things, which you probably have, wouldn't you succumb to severe shock or a heart attack like the next person?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that is a good question, Stan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you live through it, fright-wise?
unidentified		How did I, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you live through it, fright-wise?
unidentified		In other words, why didn't you have a heart attack and drop dead?
		Why should I?
		I wasn't afraid of them.
		I haven't ever been afraid of them.
		I didn't have a heart attack.
		Another man did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		But why were you not afraid?
		It would be a normal human being.
unidentified		Because I don't know.
		I expected it, seemed like.
		I seen a, I mean, it seemed like it happened every day to me.
		I mean, it was just another thing.
		It wasn't no more me to walk up to them.
		It was another man up there, another person in the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Stan, listen, we're going to move on into an hour of open line talk.
		I'm going to give you an opportunity, though, to plug your book.
		It's called Bigfoot Memoirs, My Life with Sasquatch.
unidentified		Well, they order from me.
		they order from you yeah i got the They can get it better if they order it from me.
		And I'll autograph this video and what they want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you'll send them an autographed version?
unidentified		Yeah, they.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what is the number there, Stan Johnson?
unidentified		It's Stan Johnson, 6059 State Highway, 138 West, at Oakland, Oregon.
		97462.
		Or they can call me at 541.
		They just changed their aerial code.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		541.
unidentified		459-3109.
unidentified		And the book is $12.50 post-paid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Stan, it has been a pleasure having you on the air.
		And I thank you.
		I didn't necessarily buy everything that Stan had to say, I must say, but we'll be back with open lines in a moment.
		Out of patrol shortly after the sightings, as yet, no debris from any exploded objects has been found.
		So there you have it.
		That's kind of the latest news and a lot of what we're working on.
		We will continue to try to find, for your edification, a guest with regard to Bigfoot.
		It is something I'm following very carefully.
		I have got Cliff Crook's photograph of Bigfoot.
		And, of course, you never have any way of truly judging anybody.
		I think the problem with Stan was, as I suggested to him on the air, that any one of these individual things that he talked about might be explored by themselves, but he has strung so many things together that the probability and the credibility of the way it was presented suffered, as did we all.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, my name is Joaquin.
unidentified		I'm calling from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		And I was going to comment that back in 87, the Virgin Mary appeared on Bayside, New York, and said that people didn't repent from the way we're living, that she called it a ball of fire.
		This was before Hellbob was discovered, that a ball of fire would hit the Earth.
		I was wondering if you can comment on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I really can't because I have no way of substantiating it.
		However, there's yet more news, and it has to do with a new comet that has been discovered.
		And I informed the audience about this last week, and a lot of people said, you're crazy as a loon.
		Well, I'm not.
		It is a new comet.
		And as a matter of fact, it's going to turn out to be brighter, we understand, than even Hailbob is forecast to be.
		This was discovered by a Japanese man using a pair of binoculars.
		Believe it or not, it is the truth.
		And it's called, let's see, it's called Comet I'll get to it here in a sec.
		Hayatake.
		Hayatake.
		H-Y-A-K-U-T-A-K-E.
		And was discovered by this Japanese man by the same name using a 25 by 150 set of binoculars.
		And when discovered, the comet was about a tenth magnitude and moderately condensed.
		A preliminary orbit for this comet indicates that it may become a very bright object in March and April and May of this year.
		The information given, then it goes on to give all the technical information, but it is going to come much closer than Halebop is.
		So all of a sudden we're hearing and seeing about an unprecedented number of comets.
		This, by the way, is the third.
		There is yet another out there.
		And I don't recall a time when the Earth has been or is about to be visited by as many close-passing large newly discovered comets as present day.
		I mean, this is pretty odd.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		I'm calling from Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I'd just like to say that Stan, the guy that was talking before, it seemed like he had a problem articulating himself as far as his story that he wanted to tell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may well be so.
		The man is 80 years old.
		He has a pretty bad cold right now.
		And that makes it a little difficult right off the bat.
		You add that age onto a bad cold and feeling kind of rough.
		And you're right.
		He perhaps had difficulty articulating what he was trying to say.
		But for my taste, he put together too many things that might be examined and wondered about individually, but strung all together seemed impossible.
unidentified		Well, I'm a researcher.
		I've been researching a lot of the different subjects, and everything you said tied into a lot of the things that I've researched.
		And I would just back whatever I could up if someone picked a specific subject, like you said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, we went from Sasquatch to Sasquatch living in the fifth dimension to aliens protecting the earth, being in touch with Sasquatch, to out-of-body experiences.
unidentified		Well, touching on the out-of-body experiences thing, that's a very easy thing to do for, I think everyone can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I believe that.
unidentified		In their, you know, relaxing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Yes, I believe that.
		And I believe it's a legitimate field of inquiry.
		I just, for my taste and the way it was presented.
unidentified		Yeah, it should have been more focused on the Bigfoot thing instead of him going off on all these other tangents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's my feeling, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		So there you are.
		As I say, it may have been a bad night for Stan.
		I don't know.
		It's just the way the presentation was hard to swallow.
		And I'm generally capable of swallowing quite a bit, you know, because we've had a number of guests on here talking about a lot of, as a matter of fact, the same things that Stan talked about, but generally individually, and generally, not stringing them all together.
		I mean, we've had a lot of very credible researchers on here regarding other dimensions.
		The late Robert Monroe, for example, from the Monroe Institute, talks of other dimensions very much the way Stan did, with a bit of a different slant, but still the same sort of thing.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave from Cape Coral, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, I think Stan and Harley Byrd met in the Fifth Dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I should have asked.
unidentified		I was wondering, do you still drive the Geos?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
unidentified		How are they running?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like tops, never a problem.
unidentified		Great.
		I had one more question.
		Why can't callers give their last names on the air?
		I've never understood that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then I'll explain it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If a caller were to say something that would tend to be libelous, then, presuming that it got through, not only would the radio stations and the network be libeled, or it's subject to civil litigation, but the caller would as well.
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
unidentified		Appreciate the answer.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for asking.
		That way everybody hears it.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, I just wanted to comment, like others have called and you've been observing.
		That was a pretty frustrating interview there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But especially because the subject matter is of great interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		No, you're exactly right.
		And we have looked long and hard for somebody to give us an articulate presentation on Sasquatch.
unidentified		Yeah, I listen to your show so often, and it has been rare that real solid information has been coming through.
		Hopefully it's coming out somewhere.
		Someone's going to be able to articulate it.
		I almost started getting the feeling that if you wanted to, if you were a Sasquatch or someone involved with all that on their side of the world dimension or whatever, if you wanted to have this information, maybe Stan would be a perfect way to do it because, you know, he would convince a lot of people that all this stuff is a bunch of hooey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Whereas I don't really believe that at all there's a bunch of hooey, but I mean, you'd have to really be able to articulate and communicate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I think there is something to this Sasquatch business, and I'm not going to give up.
unidentified		Watch out.
unidentified		I'm going to disinformation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		not going to get discouraged as somewhere out there there really is somebody with some uh...
		good Fur, hair, whatever.
		And there have been a lot of sightings, and there are some photographs out there.
		I've got one right now, which is absolutely incredible.
		And so I think there is something to this.
		I just don't know where to go to find the person to...
		So that's part of the problem.
		I know.
		And unfortunately, it gives some credence to part of what at least Stan was trying to say, that they can come and go at will.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, I could sort of buy that.
unidentified		It just wasn't clearly, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Succinctly laid out for you.
		Yes, all right.
		Thank you very much.
		On the other hand, folks, Stan, as I said, is 80 years old and is from the backwoods in Oregon, has lived there all his life, is not a complicated person, is not a well-to-do person, and I think believes every word of what he was saying.
		That much I will give him.
		But the way it was laid out, with just literally every aspect of the metaphysical and alien world, and we didn't even get to the Saqqaro crash and the six-fingered creatures, but he reached into sort of every metaphysical bucket that's sitting out there right now, and I guess that's what did it for me.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Evening.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, am I on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on.
unidentified		Oh, okay, good.
		I know where there's a six-fingered body.
		I'm pretty sure it is.
		It appears to be one.
		You take I-10 out of Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And you go past the next town.
		I can't think of the name of its next big town.
		But anyway, it's a place called the Thing.
		The Thing, T-H-I-N-G.
		And it's an ancient body in there.
		They said they found it in a cave up by Phoenix, and that it was inspected, and it's mummified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, you know, there is a very rare condition that will produce six digits on a human figure.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well...
unidentified		Yeah, I'm just saying that this body appears to have six fingers, but you'd have to put an X-ray machine on it to know for sure, because it appears to have been mummified in leather.
unidentified		Anyway, 35 years ago, I got about 35 feet away from Tucsas Watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yes, and it was much like the same fella that called before and said that he thought it was a bear.
		It was a night, moonlit night, the clouds breaking in and out, and snow on the ground.
		And I was walking down the backcountry road up in Northern California.
		And I just looked to the left, and the first thought was, my God, a bear.
		And it's standing up.
		And I went, was going to run, but have you ever been so scared, you just do a half step and then don't run and keep stepping?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That's what I did.
		Because the second look, there was two of them.
		And they were both standing there, and I didn't run.
		I just looked at them, and they watched me right across the highway, which the highway is, what, about 10 feet on each side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, that's why I'm persisting in this, because too many people have seen what appears to be a creature that is not human and not animal.
		Right.
		Sort of in between.
unidentified		Right.
		Their necks, they're kind of short.
		They're shorter necks, real short necks, and something he didn't mention, their arms are longer, like almost down to the knees and very big on top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I have, for what it's worth, I have a photograph of exactly what you just talked about.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got that picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm tempted to post it, but we'll see.
unidentified		Yeah, okay, Art.
unidentified		Well, I just thought I'd let you know about that, and that thing is out there, and she appears, it looks like a woman with a small one and appears to have six fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call, sir.
unidentified		Okay, thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
unidentified		So, there you are, folks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it is.
		I just know that I will continue to pursue an articulate spokesman with regard to the Sasquatch business because there are stories that simply abound.
		And I'm not saying that my guest didn't grasp some of it, or I'm not even going to question what he said, because I do believe that the man believed what he was telling us.
		It's just that I want some more information on this, and I want it from a good, articulate spokesperson, and we will continue to seek that, despite the difficulties entailed in doing so.
		We'll be right with you.
		It is, and I've got a very interesting report here.
		It's a follow-up to the Somaliland story, and it's by Reuters, and it says, Somaliland authorities are saying mysterious explosions over northwest Somalia have made people fall ill and animals behave strangely, and they are now asking for an international probe into reports that unidentified aircraft flew over that region of the breakaway state.
		The government of the self-declared Republic of Somaliland says two explosions in the sky were heard in December in the port city of Berbera on the Gulf of Aden and in the Soland Sana regions to the east and southeast.
		And you already know the rest of it, how it affected people and animals.
		But they are now calling for an international investigation into what it was.
		And again, they had some sightings of what they call aircraft.
		They're not using the word UFOs.
		They're talking about aircraft.
		So somehow I'm beginning to suspect the evil hand of man at work here.
		And I wonder what it is we exploded, or let me correct that.
		What it is somebody exploded over that country.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, but two things about Sam.
		When he mentioned that he was with the CIA, suddenly that got...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he didn't say he was with the CIA, and that is not what got bleeped.
		Oh.
		What got bleeped.
		I let the CIA, you heard me talking to him about that.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That didn't get bleeped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What got bleeped was the Lord's name mentioned in a way that people would have found discomforting.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I got the wrong impression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, the CIA business, that's another aspect of it that bothered me.
		You know, Stan said, well, the CIA had commissioned somebody apparently to give him a drug, truth drug, and he says he has records of it but can't show them to anybody, and that bothered me.
		And with regard to the hypnotic records and all the rest of it, I guess, you know, he's shown his wife or somebody close by, but does not show people who inquire about it.
unidentified		I agree.
		Yeah, that bothered me too.
		I attended a lecture of his about two years ago here in Eugene, Oregon.
		And he says he's not particularly religious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And yet he began his lecture by saying that only those that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are worthy of this knowledge and Sasquatch can only trust those who accept who are Christian, in other words.
unidentified		And a few of us there were not Christian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he didn't deny religion.
		He said, to be fair to me, he said he had his own personal contact with God.
		And I would give much the same answer.
		I feel the same way.
		I'm not.
unidentified		I do too.
		But at the time, that is what he said at the lecture.
		I mean, who knows?
		And I agree with a lot of the other callers.
		He has his own experiences, and I want to respect that.
		But as you've said, he's just tying all of these things together, and it's troublesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too many baskets.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		And I would love to hear a really good speaker on Bigfoot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes sense.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or probably a million of us.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very, very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell and Stan Johnson art.
		It would seem to me that if any of it's true, then all of it's true.
		Many people leave their body experience worlds that are far beyond the chicken muck that we live in.
		It all must be connected.
		If it's not connected, then none of it is true.
		Then we should all stop wasting time talking about it.
		Since I know that at least some of it is true, paranormal, ETs, astral projection, etc., then I'm not so arrogant to presume I can make such sweeping determinations to try to identify what is and what is not.
		That's absolutely true, Dave.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		I'm a regression therapist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I've done a regression of a six-finger SAS watch that was Joan of Arc in a previous life, but now is a 666-degree mason in the Trilateral Commission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A friend of mine, probably.
unidentified		Yeah, and I'd like to be a guest.
unidentified		I think I could tie all this together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we just tried real hard for the last couple hours.
unidentified		I'm just pulling your legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, in its own way, it was classic.
unidentified		I think a lot of his problem, like you said, he only has a seventh grade education.
unidentified		And I think that gave him a lot of trouble.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But then again, on the other hand, he's 80 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He lives out in the woods in Backwoods, Oregon.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where would such a story come from?
unidentified		Who else would come in contact with one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		But someone whose inbred relative might be one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know that I would have put it that way, but I, yeah, if there is any country where these creatures are, that is the country.
		And on up through Washington.
		There's no question about it.
		So, what do I know?
		I just, I know it wasn't a good day for Stan.
		I'll say that.
		It wasn't a good day.
unidentified		And after last weekend, I just hope they can swim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I imagine they're having to contend with the swollen and overflowing rivers the way mere mortals are.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Mike and Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to make a comment on that fastball.
		Yes.
		I'm in a law enforcement position, and I talked to an officer up in the Hood River area.
		This was about a year, maybe a year ago.
		And he went out on a call and investigated a handprint on the glass of a cabin that was 17 inches long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Now, this is secondhand, you know.
		I just heard it talking in a phone conversation on some other business.
		Right.
		But, you know, I get in the woods a lot, and how many people have been out there hunting and have found the carcass of a bear or even seen a live bear?
		You know, hunters, I know a lot of hunters.
		Like I say myself, I hunt, and I've never seen a mountain lion.
		I've seen track.
		You know, it's just one of those things.
		I think there's something to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's something to it too.
		There's something going on.
		I can't put my finger on it.
		Some kind of creature is out there.
		The other night, Dan Rather, at the beginning and end of his newscast, said that Sasquatch is now put on the endangered species list.
		So there's obviously people out there that very firmly believe there is such a creature.
		And I'm going to keep plugging away, and we will eventually find somebody to speak to us on the subject in depth.
unidentified		Okay, one more comment, and I'll get off.
unidentified		My wife said she heard on the radio about that I'm not trying to throw a monkey wrench into this, but that stuff they were analyzing that was supposed to be Fastwatch hair turned up to be a synthetic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that came from my show.
		Yes, it did.
		And that is not the hair sample, or fur sample, if you will, or whatever it is, that is presently being examined.
		That was another case.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		That clears me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		That was on my program, as a matter of fact.
		We'll be right back.
		Back down to the phones.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Mark from Collinsville on Secum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Yes, I went to sleep early on your first guest, and a buddy of mine called up while I was asleep and told me that a Japanese person has found a new comet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's absolutely true, yes.
unidentified		What is your source on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got several, several different sources on this.
unidentified		Can you mention one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can.
		It's an internet article, and it's also been on Reuters.
		And I've got about two or three faxed newspaper articles to me.
		They're not here.
		No, no, this is accurate.
		The new comet comes extremely close to the sun, 0.22 AU, as opposed to 1 AU for Hailbob.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've got all the orbital data on it as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, no, this is accurate, discovered by a Japanese man with binoculars.
unidentified		That should be coming up in Sky Intelescope or maybe a strongly imaginary commentary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, yes.
unidentified		Now, am I correct to assume that these Hailbob and this new comet will be in the skies at the same time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it sounds that way, yes.
unidentified		And wouldn't it sort of fit in with Hopi Prophecy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when this was first seen, sir, it was of a tenth magnitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very bright.
unidentified		And you're familiar with Hopi Prophecy?

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