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Feb. 11, 1996 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Bigfoot - Stan Johnson and Linda Moulton Howe - Animal Mutilations

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	...only a few cases and dismissed most of them as natural predator kills, which is consistent with a pattern in the United States and other parts of the world officially also.
	However, one veterinarian in Puerto Rico named Carlos Beto was interviewed by Carl Ross for the San Juan Star newspaper and said that he examined rabbits killed last October from twin puncture wounds that entered beneath the right side of the jaw and extended into the brain.
	The wounds were said to be, by the veterinarian, the diameter of a drinking straw and three to four inches deep, which is at least twice as long as the longest canines on a dog.
	When he performed necrosis on the animals, he found that one rabbit's trachea and esophagus were missing, even though the rabbit's exterior hide had not been cut.
	And I have a case with a veterinarian report that goes back to 89 period in Red Bluff, Nebraska, when exactly the same thing happened to a cow there.
	The veterinarian found that the esophagus and the trachea had been removed from within that cow.
	Now, as I reported before, eyewitnesses in different parts of the island have described encounters with different kinds of creatures, ranging from a large monkey or primate, to the chupacabras with the big eyes, to things that fly in the sky, leaving a very confusing picture.
	And even in the same area of Penovinas, east of San Juan, there have been different descriptions.
	The following excerpt from interviews that I did a couple weeks ago began with a family who all saw on the same day, last August, a big, dark-eyed humanoid near their house.
	First, you will hear the husband, Miguel Ocosta, who watched the creature jump from inside a truck to the ground in over a five-foot-high chain-link fence, Then his wife Madeline and her mother who walked through the front window of their house as the creature stood about six feet away.
	This creature is about from three to four feet high.
	This creature was walking in a crawling way.
	This creature was walking in a crawling way.
	Crawling, like he was crawling.
	It's just that way when he just stood right here and then he just jumped.
	Jumped over the cyclone fence.
	It's freaking annoying.
	and he hit himself way up there by the grass.
	After this appearance that I saw him, my wife also saw him the same day around 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
	2 or 4 o'clock.
	Between 2 and 4 o'clock the same day in the afternoon.
	This creature was standing in front of me for space of a minute.
	And I could observe it very well.
	This creature was standing in front of me for a space of a minute.
	And I could observe it very well.
	How far from her sitting here now to how far here?
	From four to five feet apart.
	And the thing that really impressed me was the eyes of this creature.
	And I get scared every time I have to talk about this.
	What?
	Because I have the experience eye to eye.
	Okay.
	was the eye of this creature.
	And I get scared if I don't have to talk about this.
	Okay.
	What? Because I have the experience eye to eye.
	Okay. What...
	Is there anything she can compare the eye that she was looking at to anything?
	Excuse me, I have to laugh, but it seems to me like, uh, it looked like one of these extraterrestrials that you see in movies.
	But what it seems is, honestly, that these aliens that they paint in the movies...
	Excuse me, I have to laugh, but it seems to me like... it looks like one of these extraterrestrials that you see in
	movies.
	The color of their eyes were dark.
	Dark, gray.
	The eyes, the whole eyes was like wet.
	Here, what happened at the feet?
	It's just like a human feet.
	But the only difference that I saw is three toes.
	It's just like a human feet, but the only difference is that I saw only three toes.
	There was a lot of mud on the foot.
	But it looked like a human foot.
	Very clear.
	It looked like fingers that had claws.
	Just like fingers.
	But the nails give you the impression of, uh, fiercely, fiercely, uh, impression.
	But the nails give you the impression of fiercely, fiercely impression.
	Okay, so it would be like a hand like mine, and I would say, how long would my nails have to be?
	Okay, that's about at least two-inch nails.
	Two-inch nails.
	Yeah, and they're kind of curved.
	Curved.
	The color.
	The color of the nails.
	And they were kind of curved.
	The color of the skin.
	Gray but very dark.
	When I started screaming, that's when my nose came out.
	At the beginning, I thought it was kangaroo.
	At the beginning, I thought it was kangaroo.
	Because the nose was kind of... the face was kind of long.
	A long face.
	But when I saw the back, I could see some feather on the back that was laid down.
	And then I looked to see whether he has a tail.
	But he has no tail.
	that was laid down.
	And then I looked to see whether it had a tail.
	But it has no tail.
	Then I thought that it was not a kangaroo.
	Then that fin just went through the grass on the other side.
	And it hit itself on the grass.
	A month later in September, a computer technician named Juan Moratti was walking to his car at 5 o'clock in the afternoon when he was frightened by a different creature.
	I had the feeling someone was looking at me, right?
	I take a glance, and I see it, and I see the red, big eyes, and I say, it's a chupacabra.
	And I got, you know, worrisome and scared.
	So, I kept looking to the car.
	I didn't want to show the animal, I had fear, so I kept walking.
	Then I took a second look, and I see, right over there, the other one, the dry branch, Oh yeah.
	It was right there.
	It was sitting upright.
	Not hanging down.
	Upright.
	What?
	Sitting on that branch?
	Yes.
	Upright.
	It was not hanging down like the bat.
	It was going upright.
	Then it was all black and non-reflective black.
	Like a bat, you know, but non-reflective.
	But the eyes were really round.
	It was like a Coca-Cola can.
	Uh, but it is reflective.
	Very glassy, the eyes.
	Alright, and what you're saying is that that, whatever it was, appeared black.
	Non-reflective black.
	Except for the eyes.
	The eyes.
	And they were like a red on a Coca-Cola can.
	Or a ketchup bottle.
	But really glassy, very reflective.
	Highly reflective.
	Then I really got scared, you know, so I kept walking.
	Without showing the animal, I had fear.
	What?
	I keep walking to the car, then I hear this sound.
	Plah!
	I look again, and he's flying away.
	And, uh, Arik, about, uh, a month and a half after that sighting, a long enough time to not say there was a direct link, he's the man who found, uh, one of his pitbulls, a male, with, uh, two puncture marks in the side of its neck.
	I've seen the videotape.
	The dog is still alive.
	It was loud and barking when I was there.
	But the two holes did not ooze any blood or any fluid.
	And then the week before I was there, one of his female dogs also suffered some puncture marks in her neck.
	And his entire home and where the dogs are is enclosed.
	By approximately an 8 foot high chain cyclone fence all the way around the property.
	What in the world do you think it is down there?
	I mean, whatever it was motivated you to go flying down to Puerto Rico, boom, just like that.
	What do you think that is?
	What is that creature?
	Yeah, what has motivated me and the people who want to be down there is that If we could get some of the tissue and some of the grass and do some of the research that we've done on animals, we might see if there is a common denominator to what we found in other parts of the world to start off with.
	And the second thing is, what are we dealing with?
	Because this creature that the family described is a distinct humanoid shape that appears to be able to walk on two feet as she said that they look human to her except three-toed
	with the second and the fourth toe missing so to speak, space is there, but that
	whatever it is it tends to go down onto the front arms also when it begins to move.
	Many people describe that and then here is this creature that this man has described
	and it reminds me of some of the reports going all the way back 20 some years ago when the
	vampire of Mocha was a phenomena on the northwestern corner of Puerto Rico, clear to the far end
	from Canovinas, where they also found the same kinds of animals, chickens, goats, cows,
	horses and rabbits with puncture marks 25 years ago, but I don't recall and if anybody
	listening has any contrary files I'd be happy to hear, but I don't remember any reports
	25 years ago of this kind of creature.
	We're going to take your address here and phone number in a moment, but I'll say this, and I think I said it to you last week when you were in Puerto Rico, eventually.
	One of these days, Linda, you keep going to these hotspots where things are happening and you're going to come face-to-face with a pair of red eyes.
	And then what am I going to do?
	I can't wait to find out.
	Tell people how to get hold of you, please.
	Okay, let's see.
	I'll start with the fact that I do have a new mailing address because a new post office has come into the community where I live.
	Oh my.
	And so it is now Post Office Box 300 And the city is Jamison, J-A-M-I-S-O-N, Pennsylvania.
	And the zip code is 1-8-9-2-9.
	1-892-9 and again post office box 300 Jamison Pennsylvania 1-892-9 and the toll free 800
	number for information about my books and documentaries or to leave a brief message
	is 800-3-9-9.
	707-9993.
	Again, that's 800-707-9993 and my fax number is 215-491-9842.
	nine nine nine three again that eight hundred seven zero seven nine nine three
	and my back number is two one five four nine one
	nine eight four when that we will uh... look forward to hearing from you
	next week and it will be at a slightly later hour giving everybody a taste of linda
	howard in the third hour of the program
	That's right.
	Oh, by the way, I've got a surprise for you.
	Oh.
	You get to do the whole third hour.
	Oh, I do?
	Oh, yes, you do.
	All right.
	All right, I'll be up for it.
	All right, we'll talk to you next week.
	Thank you very much.
	That's Linda Howe, of course, all the way from Philadelphia.
	I thought I'd surprise her.
	You know, she gets a whole third hour.
	It's going to be a very, very interesting show next week.
	We'll be right back.
	If you suffer, take a break, and when we come back, it'll be Stan Johnson, the man who has spent part of his life with Sasquatch.
	He'll tell us all about it next.
	See?
	Thanks for watching!
	From the Kingdom of Nine, we continue with your calls on Greenland with Art Bell.
	Call Art now, toll free at 1-800-618-8255.
	1-800-618-TALK.
	First time callers, area code 702-727-1222.
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	line at area code 702-727-1295, 727-1295, in the 702 area code. Now again, here's Art
	Beck.
	Once again, here I am.
	Alright, now listen carefully.
	The name of the book is Bigfoot Memoirs, My Life with the Sasquatch by Stan Johnson.
	Rumors of UFO appearances have long been reported near sightings of Sasquatch, as many of you know, I hope.
	As elusive as the extraterrestrials, the giant Sasquatch have remained aloof to human contact until...
	They asked Stan Johnson, we'll find out why, to act as Goodwill Ambassador and tell their story.
	Accompanied with the Sasquatch, Mr. Johnson relates contact with extraterrestrial craft and interdimensional travel.
	Among the many species that Johnson met in the company of Sasquatch was, guess what?
	A six-fingered humanoid.
	The six fingers of the extraterrestrial recovered in the 1947 Socorro crash shattered the previously popular concept of the four-fingered gray alien.
	Bigfoot Memoirs was set to page and at press when the autopsy confirmed Bigfoot Memoirs account of highly sentient-like forms with six fingers associated with the extraterrestrial.
	So in other words, when the big story on the Socorro crash and the film broke, Mr. Johnson had already gone to press with his account, so it certainly underscores it very well.
	In just one moment, it would surprise you.
	That's 1-800-877-9799.
	North American Trading, and one other item, and then off to the races we go.
	The Sasquatch races.
	It's Real Talk, and it's in stock at 7.30 a.m.
	It is the hottest electronic item of the year.
	The number is 1-800-522-8863.
	That's 1-800-522-8863.
	The Sea Grain Company.
	Now, all the way up to somewhere in Oregon, I guess.
	Stan Johnson, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Alright, very good.
	Where are you, Stan?
	I'm in Oakland, Oregon.
	That's right in the southern central part, about 70 miles from the Pacific Coast.
	Very good.
	Right in the mountains.
	uh... in the mountains about that would be actually big foot country with it
	that's a good uh... all right stand i don't know where to begin
	i recently got a photograph of what somebody claims to be uh... a bigfoot creature
	are you sure certain absolutely positive you must be based on the advance billing
	here that there is such a thing as sasquatch
	well i tell you I would like to introduce myself.
	Alright.
	I am Stan Johnson, as you know.
	I have been hypnotized twice.
	I took the sodium pentothal once.
	The voice stress test once.
	To prove that everything I'm saying is my experience.
	Mine.
	Nobody else is telling me.
	I don't go investigate it.
	Nobody.
	Or nothing.
	They come and get me.
	And that's all my experience.
	Yeah, I guess you've, uh... Come and get me to go.
	They'll teleport me up there.
	You've had a lot of requests for radio and television interviews, haven't you?
	I've been on, uh, uh, just right now makes over four, uh, four hundred and fifty-six talk shows in the last, uh, nine years.
	Wow.
	Um... Why do you think they picked you, Stan?
	I haven't any idea.
	I asked that question, they said, because you're you, you will never change.
	I'm an old retired logger and rancher.
	I'm 80 years old.
	I still get around good because I have help from upstairs.
	And I, so therefore, and I go in, if I need help, I go into another dimension, fifth dimension.
	And that's kept you alive?
	That's kept me alive and going.
	I think.
	Uh, when was your first encounter?
	Well, now we have to go back on that.
	Uh, actually, I was most due to start out the other, about where I met him up here.
	But the first time I ever met the, I was born in the state of Missouri, in the Ozark Mountains.
	19 and 23, I met what they call the white old man, which was the Bigfoot.
	Back there they call him the wild man.
	My dad, my mother, everybody never thought nothing about it.
	About him, because they knew they were around there in the Ozark Mountains.
	We moved away and I got pretty well acquainted with him.
	I'd go over and get the cattle in the evening when I was eight, seven, eight years old.
	I played with him about two years.
	We'd put a stake in the ground under a big hickory nut tree and he would just hit ten hickory nuts to see who could hit that stick the most times.
	He'd lay down so he wouldn't be so large.
	He was, I'd say, seven and a half feet tall and weighed about 325 pounds.
	He was very muscular, looked like a big basketball player.
	We left there.
	Dad sold the old homestead and we left.
	We went about nine miles from there.
	Wait, Stan, wait.
	What did this creature look like?
	You gave me his height.
	Very muscular, you said, but... Very muscular built.
	Hairy?
	Very, very muscular, like a big basketball player.
	Okay, but I'm asking, was he hairy?
	Yes, he had hair about four inches long all over his body.
	And not completely all over his face.
	Now, Stan, if I came face-to-face with a creature like that, it'd scare the hell out of me.
	I'd go running the other way.
	Alright, now that's just exactly what we're after.
	We're after something about the people These people will come out and have their pictures taken.
	Now, I asked a guy that I was appointed with, the reporter for tabloid, I won't tell you which one, if I got him a chance to go up and take a picture, if he would put it in the paper just like they were.
	And he said no, he couldn't do that because that's the way they make their money.
	They got to keep them animals.
	They're not animals.
	They're human beings.
	They get married just like we do.
	They have families just like we do.
	They do?
	They pray to God just like we do, and they're vegetarians.
	Well, Stan, I live out here in a fairly isolated area, but I do get around, and I've never seen one.
	Well, that's the reason, like you said, it would scare you, didn't it?
	That's what we're trying to do, get people to realize there's nothing to be scared about.
	They've never harmed a person in their life.
	No, but wait a minute, Stan.
	You said they get married, they have children, they... I did.
	Um, well, then we should be seeing some seven-foot, very hairy, muscular types.
	That's what means large, gentle being by the Indian language.
	Oh, does it?
	That's what they named him hundreds of years ago, they've dealt with him.
	No, I did not know that.
	It means large, gentle being?
	Yes.
	And that's just what they are.
	They go in and out of the fifth dimension.
	Now we've poisoned all their food.
	They're strictly vegetarian.
	By the spray and stuff.
	And there's a big reward out for them.
	Better life.
	Well, were you aware that Sasquatch was officially put on the endangered species list?
	When was that?
	A couple of days ago.
	I've seen that, but was that actually true?
	Well, I could say something humorous and say if Dan Rather said it, it must be a fact.
	Was he the one who said it?
	Dan Rather, who reported it.
	I just caught just a part of it.
	I've just seen it on the... Well, that's what I've been trying to do.
	That's what we've been working on.
	In other words, trying to get Bigfoot on the endangered.
	Well, we're just trying to get the reward stuck off of them so they can help people.
	When you get lost in the woods, they can help you and bring you out.
	There was a scientist up in Washington, and I had his name, uh, well now wait a minute.
	He wrote an article in a newspaper last week saying that he believes the first Sasquatch should be shot.
	That's the one that he's got a lot to do with this award I'm talking about.
	I see.
	You're talking about Grover Grant.
	Yeah, I believe that's correct.
	And he said... I've asked him to go on the TV or radio talk show with me and he said he would not.
	He wouldn't do it.
	Well, he said then this person who shoots the second one ought to be hung.
	But he said for the sake of science, the first one ought to be shot.
	You don't think so, huh?
	What I asked him, what if it was the last one on Earth?
	He said, so what?
	We'd know what it was.
	Not what it is today, but what it was yesterday.
	What it was, yeah.
	Yesterday, right?
	Yeah.
	And we could dissect it and find out about it.
	That's right.
	We don't, I don't believe that.
	Now you talk about all this other, I don't travel around too much because I can't afford.
	I don't take money for a lot of stuff.
	I make about, I'll make about, oh maybe $2,000 off my book I got out.
	But that'll be about it, I imagine.
	Because I go to the seminars, I will get, if I may say so, a place that I'm going to be in June.
	Oh, you're welcome to, sure.
	Okay, I'm going to be in New Orleans, Louisiana.
	Oh, well, we're being heard.
	And Shirley MacLaine will be my host.
	No kidding.
	And we have, I don't know how many of the people will be there, and the guy that you had not too long ago, which is a very dear friend of mine, Colonel Harley Bird.
	Oh, yes.
	He will be there.
	And we will be down there and we'll be on CNN.
	Alright.
	I've got to get some things straightened out in my mind.
	That's what I'm here for.
	Well, thank you.
	Good.
	Hi, anyway.
	Make me understand.
	They get married.
	They have children.
	They live as we do.
	And yet, we don't see them.
	Or at least, we barely see them.
	Well, if you see them, They have been several people run and hurt themselves.
	They have been people who had heart attacks.
	Yeah, I can understand that.
	Well, there was a guy not long ago, a man about 52 years old, had a heart attack.
	Back up here in the mountains, about two-fourth of where I live.
	Because one stepped out in the path.
	Him and his boy, 14-year-old boy, not Sasquatch boy, but this guy was hiking.
	And this guy had, the man had a heart attack.
	So that's what stole the boy to go down asking if he had a radio in his pickup about a quarter
	of a mile away and he said yes.
	He said go call the paramedics.
	Just like that I'll keep him alive until you get back.
	The paramedics, two of them, they said they seen him there and he said he's all yours,
	he's still alive and he took off and just vanished because he went into another dimension.
	So their lives, the lives that you're talking about, they have been married with children
	They can have... These lives are in another dimension.
	They go into the fifth dimension.
	It's a vortex that's three miles from where I live.
	There's a vortex?
	Yeah, that's a door into another dimension.
	The lady that edited this book, she came down, her and the publisher, and I took them up there and I told her to take off her shoes and stand in one spot, and she'll tell you, right in the front of the book.
	That she was skeptic, but after she stood there and felt the thump and the quiver of the earth, which was the door of the time warp, and where you go in, that she was feeling.
	Well, you've been there, Stan.
	What's on the other side?
	It's a beautiful, beautiful, if there's ever a paradise, that's it.
	And every animal, human being in there is a vegetarian.
	All vegetarians, huh?
	And when I came out, Came back home, I started to tell my wife about the color
	of the pathway, the big cobblestone pathway and the big castle that was there.
	She said, wait, wait, let me tell you something.
	She told me exactly the color of it, exactly the pathway, what it looked like.
	But she said she had never been there.
	She said she had dreamed it, but she hadn't dreamed it.
	She had been there in her astral form.
	Huh.
	uh...
	so there's a door And you've taken people to this door.
	Have you taken... I took them to them, but I can't take them in it.
	You can't take them in it?
	Why not?
	I haven't got that much authority.
	Not much power to do it.
	Because if I do that, and I would, uh... I'd lose all the... All that I've learned and have got, I'm afraid.
	I'd lose the power that I've got to travel.
	I can teleport, or I can astral... Well, I've been traveling out of my body for years.
	But, uh...
	So that's the reason I've been asked why I didn't turn him in.
	Trick one up and turn him in further.
	The money that's offered us.
	That's a good question.
	If you could make... Because they're friends of mine.
	They're just like family.
	I know, but a million dollars is a lot of money, Stan.
	Yeah, but those are our loved people.
	Well... I don't know.
	I think I got $140 in my pocket, and that's what we've got.
	We live on $900 a month.
	We call them Sasquatch, but really are they just...
	The family I know is named R-O Family.
	That's A-R-O-W-E.
	And his wife's name is Natee.
	N-A-T-E.
	Spells kind of like Nate.
	His daughter's name was Laquel.
	K-R-R-O-W-E.
	And his wife's name is Natee.
	N-A-T-E.
	Spell kind of like Nate.
	His daughter's name was Laquel.
	L-O-C-K-E-L-L.
	Oh.
	And they can only have one child.
	Unless something happens to the man or the woman.
	And then they can get married again and have another.
	That's like the Chinese.
	Boy, yeah, I suppose.
	So they control their population that way.
	That's right.
	Um, do they live in regular homes, as we know?
	No, they don't.
	No?
	What do they live in?
	Up here, they kind of built a hut across down by the dry creek bed.
	And they're the cleanest people I've ever seen.
	Anytime they're around water, they'll bathe, and when they don't, you know what pennyroyal is?
	No.
	It's a peppermint family.
	They like to put in dog and flea collars.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	They wrap their bodies down with that two or three times a day, because it grows wild in the mountains out in here.
	Most any mountain you can find it.
	And when you walk through them, you'll smell a kind of a funny smell, and that's the, you're stepping on that pennyroyal.
	Wow.
	Anyway, they are, and they're not hot, but just as clean.
	They have furbrows on the ground.
	And they left there about two weeks after I stayed up there with them a while.
	And, uh, one night, in fact, up there.
	And I went back about three weeks later, and I couldn't find a sign of nothing around there.
	Well, Stan, you talk to them, right?
	Yes, I talk to them.
	They can talk any language you start.
	Well, that's great.
	That's a lot of communication.
	And, Stan, my question is, why have you not asked them why me?
	Why me?
	Yeah.
	I have.
	And what did they tell you?
	They said because you're you, and always will be you, you'll never change.
	They meant because money is... Here, I can use money.
	We've got a place that's paid for.
	We've got $900 a month.
	Why do we worry about money?
	Well, I have $75 and I have $80.
	So they feel safe with you?
	No, because Steven Spielberg's got a few old men out here, 19 and...
	Eighty-seven.
	Did he really?
	Yes, he did.
	Uh, I don't know whether he paid him or not, but he came out here and he had a blank check.
	We wouldn't accept it.
	I don't know how much he gave me.
	One of the rights to have made a million out of this, but he wanted to make animals out of them, like the damned cowboys do.
	So, um, I've got a picture.
	Cliff Crook's picture.
	Uh, he claims he's got a picture of Bigfoot.
	I've got that.
	And it does look like a big animal, and what you're saying then is, this is not Bigfoot.
	Well, I... I'm not doubt... I don't doubt nobody's work.
	Or anything about it.
	That's very... But a guy told me that was supposed to help take a picture a long time ago of one that was in a book.
	Right.
	I'm not saying what book or anything, but he said it was touched up.
	And he was one of the best photographers around in this part of the country.
	Well, the problem is anything these days can be touched up.
	But I'm saying That these people out here, they're seven species, but most of them like the Yeti and the Snowman and those like that.
	They're all going the same deal.
	But the Sasquatch was, put it this way, the Sasquatch was the first people on this planet.
	It's their planet.
	They were here before we were.
	Yeah, because they have one more deal that we care, but they have two sets of lungs.
	And when God built this Earth, there wasn't enough Vegetation, there wasn't enough shrubbery here, there wasn't enough oxygen for people like us to live.
	So he set the fast quads down, and when it got where we could live, then my friend, we're all space people, because that's where we came from.
	Now Archangel Michael told me this.
	Archangel Michael?
	Archangel Michael.
	Lord Michael.
	Lord, uh, Gabriel.
	Archangel Gabriel.
	Uh, what, are you a religious person?
	Huh?
	Are you a religious person?
	Uh, not exactly.
	I believe from my heart.
	I go from what my heart tells me.
	My Bible is my heart.
	My church is my heart.
	I don't go to church.
	I am an ordained minister, but I do spiritual healing.
	Or rather, I'm an instrument of it.
	Jesus and God gives me the power to do that.
	I do that.
	I had to be ordained because they told me psychic healing was against the law.
	That would cost me $25 for five gentlemen and ministers to sign the papers and hand them in.
	I see.
	A flashy piece of paper.
	You've got to do what you've got to do, I guess.
	Well, but once again, Sasquatch, haven't you wondered, I'm sure you've wondered, they say because you are you, you must have wondered yourself, how could they know this about you, that you were not dangerous?
	Well, like I say, Doc, they have been watching me practically all my life.
	I've never lived in town.
	I always knew there was something, something out there.
	My wife and I talked, sat out in the yard in the summertime, and we, hey, something, something's around.
	What is it?
	Something, uh, you know, and we'd look up at the stars.
	And, uh, we'd wonder what was going on.
	Now, when I went into the fifth dimension, there was a fruit tree growing there.
	A big, uh, melon-like fruit hanging down like a honeydew melon.
	Hmm?
	And I asked them if that was good to eat, and they said, yes.
	It was hanging right further down to the ground.
	And I said, uh, they asked me if I wanted them to pick me one, and I said, absolutely not.
	I want to pick it.
	I picked and ate it, and it, it did taste like a honeydew melon.
	All right.
	All right.
	Go back to the story.
	No, we're going to have to hold up, Stan, for just a moment.
	We're at the top of the hour, so relax for a few minutes.
	I know you've got a cold, and we'll be right back to you.
	This is Dreamland.
	Has families as normal people.
	They do not live in houses.
	They're vegetarians.
	And we're going to find out.
	And yet they do have big, muscular, hairy bodies.
	And we'll find out more in a moment.
	You right now.
	Back now to Oregon and Stan Johnson.
	Stan?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	The Sasquatch eats nothing but vegetables, vegetarian.
	That's right, and they have an education.
	There's a 16-year-old girl that I've got her pictures sketched, an Indian medicine woman sketched it, by looking at me and having me to look at her and say that I think that she was this girl.
	And she has, uh, her education is, uh, equal to about five bachelor degrees that we get out of our college.
	Why not just take a good 35mm camera across with you?
	She won't let me do that.
	That is one request.
	That is another reason people don't see them.
	They take a camera.
	They don't want their pictures taken until they're ready for it to be took.
	All right, um, and that's reason you don't find no bones.
	You don't find no hair. There's no, there's been nothing found of those people because they go
	right back in the fifth dimension, just at a snap of the finger. As I have a deal here, a book
	about the Indians where they being them over in Eastern Oregon, right? Just disappear
	right into the face of the cliff, right into a cliff. And they couldn't figure out how.
	They went up there and there was no hole or nothing.
	They just went in.
	Just the spirit.
	All right.
	You know where there's one vortex.
	I've got a fellow here from Bakersfield, California, who wants to know if there are other vortexes or doors, if you will, or openings into the... Yes.
	This vortex line for the fifth dimension runs clear up in Canada and up in Alaska and runs clear over to the Hiawatha Island.
	From there, I don't know where.
	There is actually three doors there, but they can go in anywhere.
	I can only go in one of these three spots.
	And at the Red Rock Canyon, you know where that's at?
	Of course I do.
	Okay, there's the Red Rock Canyon, there's a vortex right there.
	Alright, listen to this.
	This is what somebody just faxed in, Stan.
	Dear Art, I can't believe what you just read for the introduction of Stan Johnson about Bigfoot Sasquatch asking him to tell their story.
	What story?
	Bigfoot is no more related to aliens than a gorilla.
	The common belief among Bigfoot researchers is that Bigfoot is a descendant of Gigantopolis, a prehistoric ape.
	Your guest does nothing but cause people to laugh at real researchers.
	Sasquatch means wild man of the woods, not large, gentle beings.
	I have no idea where your guest gets his information from.
	Maybe the National Tabloid Papers.
	What do you say to that?
	Because I hate the tabloid papers.
	That's what I'm trying to do.
	Prove it.
	They're not.
	And I will prove it sooner or later.
	If they'll take that reward out so that they can come out and have their pictures took.
	So you think it's the reward that's keeping them... It is.
	Absolutely.
	I want to... A million dollars is a lot of money.
	I want to get some reporter, a couple of reporters to go up there sometime this year, I hope.
	And we'll take some pictures, because they want to help the people.
	Same as the space people out there.
	All right, but you are connecting them, and that's what causes this man to say what he said.
	He said again, Bigfoot is no more related to aliens than a gorilla is.
	Yes, Bigfoot is an alien.
	He had his own planet up there at one time.
	His own planet.
	And they looked like we were with Russia, trying to see who could build the biggest bomb.
	And they blew up their planet.
	So the other planet, 17 other planets that's in our federation, we make 18.
	They went and picked them up and brought them off on their planet.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	You said they blew up their planet?
	They blew up their planet.
	It just burned, practically burned up.
	Well, I mean... They made such a laser bomb of some kind.
	I don't know what that was.
	Laser bomb?
	Okay, but wait a minute, Stan.
	You said that their name means Big Gentle People.
	No, I said the Indians gave them that name.
	Well, why would... They were so big and they were gentle.
	Why would big and gentle people blow up a planet?
	But they're gentle here.
	They will fight.
	One of these guys got killed on a spaceship trying to keep another spaceship out here from destroying our planet.
	They're guarding us all the time.
	So they are our friends.
	But they're gentle people here.
	They're our friends.
	They're to us.
	They're gentle to the Indians and gentle to the people.
	They're lovable people.
	That was one thing I told them when the first thing went up there before I seen them.
	I said, hey, I've got something I want to give you.
	I want to give you my love.
	Unconditional love.
	If you'd please take it.
	If not, let's just be friends.
	Then the guy spoke to me and said, we want your love.
	We've had it for years.
	I knew it.
	So therefore, they are, what I'm telling, and the only reason this world ain't destroyed already is because of the space people.
	The other people on the other planets.
	And you've seen that face on Mars.
	That they showed around, there's no face on Mars.
	Oh yes, there is.
	No, there's not.
	Well then, what is it?
	It's an observation dome.
	A big dome.
	People live inside of Mars.
	They don't live on Mars.
	People live inside of Mars?
	Inside of Mars.
	There's a 475 mile an hour wind that goes around there.
	an arm of wind goes around their acid dust, this world around their 24 hours a day.
	It's a pyramid, that's that.
	Well, I believe that we sent a probe to Mars, and we know quite a bit about its atmosphere.
	Well, I've been there, sir.
	I've been inside of it.
	It's hard to argue with that.
	Like I said, it's my experience I'm talking about.
	And if people don't believe me, I can't help it.
	And I'd like to say I've had some pretty big talks at a lot of places.
	I've even been on London stations.
	Uh-huh.
	All over the world.
	And you're saying you were hypnotized twice?
	I was hypnotized twice.
	I was put in penicillin once in the voice dress test.
	I was put in penicillin because the CIA gave it to me because I... Call toll free 1-800-618-8255.
	A deal signed up.
	Universal law out there.
	The President Harding signed.
	And said that no one planet could interfere with the other planet during time of war.
	I've seen it.
	John Lear had it.
	John Lear?
	John Lear.
	Fascinating.
	You're much deeper into this than I imagined you were.
	I've been into it.
	I mean, I could say.
	Every time I go out in space, I go to Cirrus 4.
	That's the dog star.
	Cirrus 4?
	Seems like I'm going home.
	That's Big Dipper.
	I want to pick it up in the Big Dipper.
	Is that where they are from?
	Is Cirrus 4?
	The who?
	Bigfoot?
	Yeah.
	No, they're from... It was Santa Terra.
	I believe was the name of their planet that blew up.
	And where is that?
	I haven't any idea, sir.
	No idea?
	Any idea.
	I have been and seen seven other, five other planets.
	And I knew that I was put out, there was a guy in Dallas, Texas, the radio station there, that I was on that got mad because the science said they couldn't figure out why that comet didn't hit Jupiter.
	I told them six months before that it wouldn't hit Jupiter, because I was told that they would blow it up the same way they're blowing up them things that the lady Howe that was just on.
	Linda Howe.
	Linda Howe said they'd blow up stuff like that before it hit the ground.
	They got a deal that they'll just disintegrate it.
	They, meaning Sasquatch?
	Yeah, well, no, no, no, no.
	I mean people from other space, uh, other planets.
	Mostly they'll be from Staris IV or, uh, or, uh, SEDCA or someplace like that.
	And they are protecting things from hitting, hitting Earth?
	They have to.
	Why?
	Because, well, let's say, you put 18 boats out here on a still lake of water.
	Somebody rocks one of them boats.
	That'll start a chain reaction and it'll interfere with all these other boats.
	Anything that'll interfere with this planet will interfere with one of these other planets and keep it going and cause everyone else in trouble.
	And we've done rocked our boats.
	We've knocked it off its axis by all the underground explosions and all that stuff.
	Well, we've been doing that, the French most recently, that's for sure.
	All right, Stan, stand by, and we'll be right back to you.
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	Alright, well here's their big chance.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	This is Fritz from Phoenix calling.
	Arch, you've got to admit, this time you took a bigger bite than you can chew, huh?
	Well, Stan... Yeah?
	Stan, you're at it again.
	You're telling the whole nation about Bigfoot Daddy.
	Don't you know he has to move his family again?
	And something else, Stan.
	I think you should get the Nobel Prize for telling us everything.
	I have to move what?
	Bigfoot Daddy has to move his family again because you're telling the whole nation where he is.
	No, he won't.
	All he's got to do is go back into the fifth dimension.
	Stan, Stan, don't you quit?
	Don't you know when it's time to quit?
	No, I'll never quit till I go over the hill.
	Well, Stan, they're waiting for you.
	Goodbye, Stan.
	Yeah, thank you, sir.
	All right.
	You know that man, do you, Stan?
	That voice, I think, I'm not for sure.
	Whether I do or not.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	Yeah, Kentucky.
	Kentucky, yes, sir.
	Yes, I was wondering if your guest was familiar with the Patterson film and if he could comment with it.
	Yes sir, where is that?
	I've known him for years.
	Is that an actual picture, photograph and movie?
	It could be a picture of him, but if it is, it's touched.
	That's what I was talking about a while ago.
	The guy that took that picture was, if he did, he said he did anyway, That, uh, done all the work on it.
	That it was touched up.
	Oh, that one was touched up?
	That's all I know about it.
	Are you talking about the, uh, caller, is this the, the famous, um, moving video of Bigfoot?
	Yes, where he was riding a horse and was thrown and he was taken somewhere in California?
	Yeah.
	And, uh, so Stan, you're saying that picture was touched up?
	Well, I'm saying I think it was.
	I was told it was.
	I'm not saying it was or not.
	I'm, but I don't believe That they give you first place, they tell me they can't be a picture took of them unless they want it.
	Alright, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stan Johnson, hello.
	Hi Art, great show, this is Stan in the U-District.
	Yes, Stan.
	I hope your mom got my fax before she left.
	She did.
	I'll just, one question and I'll hang up and listen and this is an incredible show, they just keep getting more intense Art.
	If your guest could tell us what his take is on the story of Frank Stranges and Val Thor and the crew people from Victor One and I'll hang up and listen.
	Alright, thank you.
	You know about Val Thor and all the rest of that?
	Yes, I do.
	Well, what's your take on that, Stan?
	There's no comment on that because I know Frank Stranges pretty well and I've been to a lot of his meetings.
	I spoke with him.
	I was on the tour with him and Tim Buckley.
	And he seems to be like a very straight guy, but I don't know nothing about Thor.
	I know there was one guy here, he was in the Pentagon, and they did, they're still supposed to have his suit of clothes there, and they still haven't found no way to burn it, or to cut it, or to destroy it.
	But whatever he's made out of.
	Um, well, it's quite a story you've got.
	Um, instead of Sasquatch, as the Factor said, being a remnant, uh, still on this plane, in this dimension with us, you're telling us Sasquatch has a whole nother world, in another dimension, that there are connections to aliens and all the rest of it, right?
	That's right!
	He was speaking, and like I say, he's, uh, now they live just on other planets and mostly in the other dimension, in the fifth dimension.
	But we are in the third dimension ourselves.
	Time fills us up.
	Stan, who gave you these tests that you took?
	They were high-aid professionals from college that done it, and doctors.
	And I had five people of my own each time.
	When I had the sodium pentothal, it was given by the CIA, I had a guy, those five people that I knew were good friends.
	They told me not to talk about what the government knew about the aliens and what they were dealing with them.
	And it's always legit and it's there.
	There's a law in Washington, D.C. that anybody caught talking to an alien
	can be thrown in solitary confinement and he will stay there for the rest of his life.
	He'll never see nobody and nobody will ever see him.
	Sam?
	I came home.
	I told him I would keep talking.
	I came home about two weeks later.
	I've still got bullet holes in my door face.
	I was standing out on the front porch.
	Stan?
	Yeah?
	If the CIA gave you sodium pentothal... Well, the CIA didn't.
	A doctor did.
	But he was there.
	Directed by the CIA?
	Yeah, but he had to ask... He couldn't ask just so many questions and that was it.
	Do you have the records of this?
	I do.
	In other words, they gave you the medical records of the test results and everything?
	Yeah, all the results.
	And I have witnesses to prove that I've done it.
	And like I say, all I can do is just hope people will understand that there are other people out there besides us.
	There's people that's trying to help us.
	And you're talking about the crop circles?
	There's five circles in less than three city blocks of where I live, in the mountains up here and down in the Flat Valley.
	Some of them have been there from 1886, I traced back.
	Burnt in the ground.
	So you think you live in this other dimension, Stan.
	Is there a parallel physically, in other words, when you move into the fifth dimension from there and where you are in Oregon?
	Is the other side very much the same from a climatic point of view, a physical point of view, the foliage, is it similar?
	It is in a way, but when you go in, I weighed about approximately 190 pounds.
	In there, it seemed like I weighed about a hundred pounds, because it's lighter.
	The air is lighter.
	I had a little trouble breathing for a few minutes.
	Uh-huh.
	And, uh, another thing... What about the... When you go through that door, you better not have no metal whatever.
	They got me a jumpsuit to put on.
	And you could, uh, you got... You'll burn up, because it's a static... Sort of the same rules as one has with the microwave.
	All right, Stan, uh, stand by.
	And we'll come back to you and, uh, take calls for about another half hour here in just a moment.
	You're listening to Stan Johnson, who's been to the fifth dimension and back many times.
	More in a moment.
	Back to the lines for you and what they have to say.
	East to the right, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yeah, how you doing Art?
	This is Louisiana.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, I wanted to know, I wanted to ask two quick questions.
	What's the most you've ever seen of these beings at one time?
	And are their sexual organs similar to humans?
	All right, both good questions.
	Are they as populated, is their world as populated?
	How many have you ever seen at one time?
	I've seen seven at one time.
	Seven?
	Seven.
	They are, I don't know, there's several thousand all over the United States.
	And all over the world, like I say, there's, uh, different, uh, there's seven species of them.
	They're different types.
	Like, they're white, and then there's, uh, brown colored, and then there's some yellow color, uh, their hair.
	But these up here is mostly brown, or dark brown.
	They look black at a distance.
	How often do you see them?
	Uh, no, I haven't, uh, I've been pretty busy here lately and I haven't, uh, because I got to stay here and watch the telephone all the time on account of the book when they're calling in from other radio stations of where I gave out the book.
	But anyway, uh, I haven't talked to him now for about, uh, oh, I'd say six weeks.
	Six weeks.
	And the other question about their sexual organs, are they similar to humans?
	They're just exactly the same.
	Okay.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Oh, I've got to push the button.
	West of the Rockies, now you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Art Bell?
	Yes.
	Good evening.
	This is great.
	Stan Johnson, the only point of choice Uh, it's a book.
	And it talks about somebody by the name of Tom, representing the Council of Nine, and they talk about extraterrestrials, and that we were out there, and now we're here.
	Do you have a comment on that book?
	Uh, do I have a what?
	Do you have a comment on that book, you said?
	I haven't read it.
	Yeah.
	Well, it talks a lot about what you're talking about, that we're not from here, and Well, we're not really.
	We're not from here, because we were brought down.
	The Indians took United States, black people took Africa, and so on like that.
	That's how we got separated.
	They were so used to it.
	One time, there was 17 other planets up there, and there was all one nationality on each planet.
	But now, they migrate backward and forth, just like United States.
	They've got all kind of nationalities.
	Well, who brought us here?
	They brought us here?
	God did.
	God did?
	God had us put down here.
	Archangel Michael was the one that helped finish the planet.
	That's why he got the name Architect, because he went and got some angels and made them, made architects out of them.
	Architectural angels.
	That's why they're called Archangels.
	Archangels.
	Look it up in the Bible and you'll find it there.
	I see.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Hi Art.
	I joined the show with all due respect to Mr. Johnson.
	I feel that you could have gotten a better person to represent the subject.
	That's all I have to say.
	Alright, thanks for the call.
	Thanks, sir.
	You know, Stan, I've got to kind of agree with him in a way.
	I'm a little concerned about the way you're presenting this.
	You know, tying it up with aliens that are protecting us in the fifth dimension, it all seems awfully wild to me.
	Well, how is it that so many people have seen spaceships and seen stuff like that?
	Are they all liars, too?
	No, and I... So many people have been... say they're being abducted.
	Are they liars?
	Well, there's no... there's no way... I have no reason... I have no reason to do this.
	Okay, Stan, Stan, there's... there's no... I'm not making money off of it.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, yes, you are.
	You wrote a book.
	Oh, my God.
	I spent several thousand dollars until we were broke to going and doing seminars on my own.
	I went to Washington and I came to...
	I went to Nevada there one time.
	I went to Phoenix, Arizona.
	I paid every damn thing out of my own pocket.
	Why?
	The question is why, Stan.
	Why would you do that?
	Because I have friends up here which people out there call animals.
	I want to get them brought out so that they can prove that they're not animals.
	They're human beings.
	They're space people.
	They'd better wake up and better take heed.
	Like I said, the government has been dealing with these people for years and years and kept us hit.
	If you remember, Eisenhower met with them on a golf course in Palm Springs, California.
	And it's a very documented fact.
	Um, I've never seen that document.
	Well, it is.
	Yes, sir.
	Get a hold of, uh... Don Lehrer or Bill Cooper.
	I know them both.
	Well, either one of them can give you that.
	Look at Bill Cooper.
	He's been shot at three or four times.
	Because he's putting that out.
	All right.
	Uh, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Um, hi Art.
	This is Shane.
	Lexington.
	Uh, from where?
	Lexington.
	Yes, sir.
	And, um, I just wanted to raise a couple points about, um, what Stan's saying.
	He's totally ignoring physics.
	I mean, he's using the fifth dimension as if it's, you know, a three-dimensional.
	He's describing the fifth dimension, you know, with three-dimensional creatures existing in it.
	And I mean, that's not even possible.
	It's like a contradiction.
	I'm a physics student, by the way.
	All right, so you're saying, should there be a fifth dimension, it would not have any relationship that we understand to where we are now in the third.
	Exactly.
	Or, really, four dimensions, including time.
	It'd be like a two-dimensional creature trying to comprehend a three-dimensional creature, which is totally impossible.
	I mean, it's not perceivable to the human mind.
	I mean, well, the three-dimensional being.
	And another thing, what he's describing is hyperspace.
	Traveling, you know, from, like, at such far distances and, you know, such a little amount of time, vortexes and such.
	Yes.
	And that would take the equivalent energy of, like, a million times what the energy our sun can produce.
	And I mean, I just don't see where that's possible.
	I mean, not yet, anyway.
	Well, you're saying, on the one hand, that that travel would be possible given a certain amount of energy.
	Yeah, theoretically it is, yeah.
	Theoretically.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, I appreciate your call.
	He says, from a physics point of view, Stan, it can't be.
	But I don't know.
	Like I said, I have a 7th grade education.
	I don't know anything about that physics.
	But I do know that I can travel thousands and thousands of miles with their help in about 5 to 10 seconds.
	Because you travel by thought and mind alone.
	And that's how now they run a lot of their spaceships.
	They put a helmet on their head, or a strap around their head, and they think about where they're going, and that's where they're going.
	In the Bible, there's one place that says man will learn to travel by thought alone.
	I had a Catholic priest to tell me that, and I have had a lot of them come and congratulate me on what I said about where we came from.
	Well, actually, on that score, you're not very far off at all.
	As a matter of fact, right now, Stan, they are testing helmets for our jet fighters that, in fact, allow aircraft to be made.
	Allow aircraft to be manipulated by thought alone.
	Stay right where you are, Stan.
	We'll be right back to you.
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	Alright, let's try and reconnect here with the Fifth Dimension.
	Stan?
	Yeah?
	Okay.
	Uh, let's take a couple more calls here, Stan, and see what people are saying.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Yes.
	You're on the air, sir.
	Where are you?
	Um, from Toulouse, Minnesota.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	Yes?
	Toulouse, Minnesota.
	Yes, I got that.
	Go ahead, sir.
	I'd like to know if he knew of any other people that... Yes?
	Where'd he go?
	I don't know.
	Sir, why do you keep stopping?
	Ask your question.
	Goodbye.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Is this the, uh, Stan Johnson on the, uh... Stan Johnson, yes.
	Okay.
	Uh, I had a couple comments.
	One was, uh, I thought it was supposed to be about Bigfoot, and I have, uh, a thing about that, that, uh, an encounter about 1994 in the summer in the Cascades.
	Yep.
	Hello.
	There, there.
	And, and it was, uh, the, There were two objects there.
	I had a 40 pound backpack.
	It was up by Trout Lake and Big Heart and Little Heart Lake in the North Cascade.
	And it was about a, oh I don't know, a six or eight hour hike back there.
	And I've never said this out publicly, but anyway, I saw these two objects.
	I thought they were bears, you know, because they were down on their all fours.
	And it turned out to be, and then I sat down to rest a little bit, and I saw these objects, and then all of a sudden I saw them stand up, and I thought it was bears standing up in their hind paws.
	They were about, I imagine, 200, 300 feet away.
	And so, anyway, after they had left, they walked away, and they were, like I say, about 6 1⁄2 feet, maybe 5 1⁄2 feet, something like that.
	When I got my courage up, I went over to where they were to see what they were doing.
	And there were some wild strawberries and stuff there.
	And they were kind of dark brownish color.
	They were not bears, definitely not bears, because I've shot bears before.
	And I was scared out of my pants.
	But I think Sam John... Is this Sam Johnson I'm talking to?
	It's Stan Johnson, sir.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, anyway, I think that that's a little far out, the strip dimension.
	I think it's a long way out.
	And I wish that we could have more anecdotal explanations, just like, you know, calling people like I'm doing myself.
	All right.
	Well, we'll get to that here shortly.
	Um, and if it comforts you, I agree with you.
	I think it sounds far out to me, too.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Doc Bell?
	Yes.
	I love your show, man.
	I listen to it every week and every night.
	If we're playing truth or trash, it's trash.
	Have a good night, pal.
	Yeah, I see it.
	We'll see you.
	Stan, they don't believe you.
	I kind of know what they believe, but like I say, It is true, and they're talking about, uh, why do they believe that we're in the third dimension?
	Because, uh, that same, when I was up there in the fifth dimension, I asked them where I was at.
	Said I was standing right in my front yard.
	And I couldn't believe that either.
	How could I be standing in my front yard and not see my house?
	Stan, I don't think that it's necessarily that people don't Believe, for example, that there are other dimensions, because I believe that may be possible.
	I don't think it's that people don't believe that there may be aliens or creatures from elsewhere, because that's
	possible.
	Let me finish please.
	First class.
	Stan, let me finish.
	I don't think that it's that they don't believe necessarily in any of these things that you're talking about.
	The alternative world, the Sasquatch, UFOs, aliens, different dimensions.
	It's just that you have sort of tied everything together.
	You know, you have taken the most difficult to believe of all and tied them together, it seems like.
	But they are together.
	Well, obviously that's what you're saying, but that's what I think people are responding to and what I'm responding to when I say it sounds pretty far-fetched.
	Are you afraid to think that they're together?
	No.
	No, Stan, I'm not.
	Well, that's what the people are, I think, out there.
	Are afraid, really afraid to admit it.
	They're afraid that it's all known.
	I was.
	Well, yes, people are afraid, perhaps, of the unknown, but we deal with that on a regular basis on this program.
	It's the meat and potatoes of this program.
	What I was trying to say is, why are these people going to pay my plane ticket and hotel room and everything to get me back there, and they know me?
	Jeremy McLean knows me, and all of them people know me.
	Why are they going to do that?
	If they don't believe it, I can tell them the truth.
	Well, um, do you show people the records of the, um, uh, the tests you've taken?
	No, I've never showed anybody the records of them.
	Well, just a few people right here in Oregon where I live.
	My group that I'm with.
	Uh-huh.
	Why not?
	I would think that that would be... Because they told me that that wasn't necessary.
	If they can't believe me, then they've got to believe... Why believe something on paper?
	They gotta believe that I'm who I am.
	I gotta tell myself to the people, not my book or anything.
	I gotta tell myself that I am truthful.
	I have no reason to.
	You're talking about the book.
	I won't make nothing off of that book.
	I'm in the hole by doing it.
	Well, I can believe that.
	No, I do believe it, Stan.
	And I believe, actually, that you believe what you're saying as well.
	Then you go beyond that and you say that all of this is achieved through astral or out-of-the-body travel, right?
	No, no.
	I didn't say that.
	I said I've traveled out of the body.
	I've traveled out of my body for years and years.
	That's easy.
	Everybody do.
	You do it if you dream.
	But that's how you go places, places.
	When you dream, you leave your body.
	But you control it.
	I don't know about that.
	I've had a lot of dreams, but I don't know that I've left my body, Stan.
	I can't say I've left my body.
	How do you dream about being someplace else?
	Well, I think there is a scientific explanation for what dreams are.
	We don't fully understand them, but it does not automatically mean we are where we dream about.
	But anybody can leave their body if they just try it hard enough and you've got to concentrate and completely go relaxed and meditate and do it.
	Well, I'm as close as I ever have been.
	See, I can tell you right now, I don't take drugs, never have.
	I don't drink I'm not a drinker, or I don't even smoke or nothing.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Hello.
	Stan, hello.
	I'd like to say that I'd like to encourage Stan to keep telling the truth, and everything he says rings true.
	And I appreciate what he's doing, and I appreciate the risks he's taking.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Arizona.
	Arizona.
	And you say this because of what?
	You say this because you know what he says If so, you've experienced it?
	I have experiences that correlate with what he's saying, and when someone tells the truth, you can tell if you know what you're listening for, and what he says is true.
	I would also like to say that in physics, there are an infinite number of two-dimensional spaces in three-dimensional space, which correlates there are an infinite number of three-dimensional spaces in fourth and fifth-dimensional space.
	All right.
	Well, gone beyond me.
	I understand the third dimension.
	I'm not sure I understand the fifth or segments within each one of them.
	I'm not sure what you mean.
	Can you imagine a cube?
	Yes.
	Well, then split that into planes.
	Those are two-dimensional spaces.
	Oh, I see.
	I see.
	So if you take that a step higher, there's an infinite number of three-dimensional and a fourth or fifth dimension.
	All right, very good.
	Thank you very much.
	So there's a little support for you, Stan.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Johnson.
	Good evening to you gentlemen, and I'm calling from Fresno, California and the San Joaquin Valley, Mr. Bill and Mr. Johnson.
	All right.
	Okay, I agree with Mr. Johnson not to be a scientist or a celebrity to experience the unknown or the paranormal, but I'd like to ask you, Mr. Bill and you, Mr. Johnson, If you have experienced all these things, which you probably have, wouldn't you succumb to a severe shock or a heart attack like the next person?
	Alright, that is a good question, Stan.
	You mentioned somebody had a heart attack.
	How did you live through it, fright-wise?
	How did I what?
	How did you live through it, fright-wise?
	In other words, why didn't you have a heart attack and drop dead?
	Why should I?
	I wasn't afraid of them.
	I haven't never been afraid of them.
	I didn't have a heart attack.
	Another man did.
	I understand that, but why were you not afraid?
	It would be a normal human... Because I don't know.
	I expected it, it seemed like.
	I mean, it seemed like it happened every day to me.
	I mean, it was just another thing.
	it was no more me walk up to them they would not have a man up there another
	personal all right stand listen we're gonna move on into an hour of
	open line talk i'm gonna give you an opportunity to go to plug your book it's
	called bigfoot memoirs my life was sasquatch where do people wildflower
	press right but they are from me
	they order from you yeah i got uh... they order from me they can get it better
	if they were for me cannot autographed it but in what they say what they want
	to know so you'll send them an autograph version
	area all right what is the number there's a at uh... that dot
	sixty fifty nine highway
	That's Oakland, Oregon.
	9-7-4-6-2.
	Or they can call me at 5-4-1.
	They just changed their area code.
	Yeah, I know.
	5-4-1.
	5-4-1-4-5-9-3-1-0-9.
	And the book is Twelve dollars and fifty cents.
	Postpaid.
	Okay, uh, Stan, it has been a pleasure having you on the air.
	And, um, I thank you.
	I, uh, didn't necessarily buy everything that Stan had to say.
	I must say.
	But, um, we'll be back with open lines in a moment.
	...control shortly after the sightings.
	As yet, no debris from any exploded objects has been found.
	So, There you have it.
	That's kind of the latest news and a lot of what we're working on.
	We will continue to try to find, for your edification, a guest with regard to Bigfoot.
	It is something I'm following very carefully.
	I have got Cliff Crook's photograph of Bigfoot.
	And, of course, you never have any way of truly judging anybody.
	I think the problem with Stan was As I suggested to him on the air, that any one of these individual things that he talked about might be explored by themselves, but he has strung so many things together that the probability and the credibility of the way it was presented suffered.
	As did we all.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes, my name's Joaquin.
	I'm calling from Phoenix.
	Hi!
	Hi, and I was going to comment that back in 87, the Virgin Mary appeared on Bayside, New
	York and said that people didn't repent from the way we're living.
	She called it a ball of fire.
	This was before a hail bomb was discovered, that a ball of fire would hit the earth.
	I was wondering if you could comment on that.
	Well, I really can't because I have no way of substantiating it.
	There is yet more news and it has to do with a new comet that has been discovered.
	And I informed the audience about this last week, and a lot of people said, you're crazy as a loon.
	Well, I'm not.
	It is a new comet.
	And as a matter of fact, it's going to turn out to be brighter, we understand, than even Hale-Bopp is forecast to be.
	This was discovered by a Japanese man using a pair of binoculars.
	Believe it or not, it is the truth, and, um, it's called, uh, let's see, it's called Comet, uh, I'll get to it here in a sec, Hayatake, Hayatake, H-Y-A-K-U-T-A-K-E, and, uh, was discovered by this Japanese man by the same name using a 25 by 150, uh, set of binoculars.
	And when discovered, the comet was about a tenth magnitude and moderately condensed.
	A preliminary orbit for this comet indicates that it may become a very bright object in March and April and May of this year.
	The information given, then it goes on to give all the technical information, but it is going to come much closer than Hale-Bopp is.
	So, all of a sudden we're hearing and seeing about an unprecedented number of comets.
	This, by the way, is the third.
	There is yet another out there.
	And I don't recall a time when the Earth has been, or is about to be, visited by as many close-passing, large, newly discovered comets as present day.
	I mean, this is pretty odd.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi!
	Hi, I'm calling from Madison, Wisconsin.
	Yes, sir.
	And I'd just like to say that Stan, the guy that was talking before, he just had, it seemed like he had a problem articulating himself as far as his story that he wanted to tell.
	That may well be so.
	The man is 80 years old.
	He has a pretty bad cold right now.
	And that makes it a little difficult right off the bat.
	Well, I'm a researcher.
	that age on to a bad cold and feeling kind of rough.
	You're right, he perhaps had difficulty articulating what he was trying to say, but from my taste
	he put together too many things that might be examined and wondered about individually
	but strung all together seemed impossible.
	I'm a researcher.
	I've been researching a lot of the different subjects and everything you said tied into
	a lot of the things that I've researched and I would just back whatever I could up if someone
	picked a specific subject like you said.
	Well, you know, we went from Sasquatch to Sasquatch living in the fifth dimension, to aliens protecting the Earth, being in touch with Sasquatch, to out-of-body experiences, Well, touching on the out-of-body experiences thing, that's a very easy thing to do.
	I think everyone can do that.
	Right, I believe that.
	In their, you know, relaxing.
	Yes, I believe that.
	And I believe it's a legitimate field of inquiry.
	I just, for my taste and the way it was presented, Yeah, it should have been more focused on the Bigfoot thing instead of him going off on all these other tangents.
	Yeah, that's my feeling too.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	Thanks.
	Thank you, and take care.
	So there you are.
	As I say, it may have been a bad night for Stan.
	I don't know, it's just the way the presentation was hard to swallow.
	And I'm generally capable of swallowing quite a bit, because we've had a number of guests on here talking about a lot of, as a matter of fact, the same things that Stan talked about, but generally individually, and generally not stringing them all together.
	I mean, we've had a lot of very credible researchers on here regarding other dimensions.
	The late Robert Monroe, for example, from the Monroe Institute, talks of other dimensions.
	Very much the way Stan did, with a bit of a different slant, but still the same sort of thing.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Dave from Cape Coral, Florida.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, I think Stan and Harley Byrd met in the fifth dimension.
	That could be.
	You know, I should have asked.
	I was wondering, do you still drive the Geos?
	Absolutely.
	How are they running?
	Like tops, never a problem.
	Great.
	I had one more question.
	Why can't callers give their last names on the air?
	I've never understood that.
	Alright, then I'll explain it to you.
	If a caller were to say something that would be libelous, then, presuming that it got through, not only would the radio stations and the network be libeled, or it's subject to civil litigation, but the caller would as well.
	Very good.
	Okay.
	Appreciate the answer.
	Right.
	Thank you for asking.
	That way everybody hears it.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Well, I just wanted to comment, like others have called and you've been observing.
	That was a pretty frustrating interview there.
	Yeah.
	But especially because the subject matter is of great interest.
	Well, it is.
	You know, you're exactly right.
	And we have looked long and hard for somebody To give us an articulate presentation on Sasquatch.
	Yeah, I listen to your show so often and it has been rare that real solid information has been coming through.
	Hopefully it's coming up somewhere.
	Someone's going to be able to articulate it.
	I almost started getting the feeling that if you were a Sasquatch or someone involved with all that on the other side of the world, dimension or whatever, if you wanted to have this information Maybe Stan would be a perfect way to do it because he would convince a lot of people that all this stuff is a bunch of glee.
	I don't really believe it at all.
	You'd have to really be able to articulate and communicate.
	No, I think there is something to this Sasquatch business, and I'm not going to give up.
	Watch out for the disinformation.
	I'm not going to get discouraged.
	Somewhere out there, there really is somebody with some good... You know, right now, there are scientists, believe it or not, testing what is purported to be patches of I don't know, fur? Is that the right way to put it? Fur,
	hair, whatever?
	Yes.
	And there have been a lot of sightings and there are some photographs out there.
	I've got one right now, which is absolutely incredible.
	And so I think there is something to this.
	I just don't know where to go to find the person to...
	Well, it does seem like that they do have some control over whether or not you can see them and find them.
	Still, that's part of the problem.
	I know, and unfortunately, it gives some credence to part of what, at least, Stan was trying to say, that they can come and go at will.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I could sort of buy that.
	It just wasn't clearly, you know... Succinctly, succinctly laid out for you.
	Yes.
	Yes, all right.
	Thank you very much.
	On the other hand, folks, Stan, as I said, is 80 years old.
	He is from the backwoods in Oregon, has lived there all his life, is not a complicated person, is not a well-to-do person, and I think believes every word of what he was saying.
	That much I will give him.
	But the way it was laid out, with just literally every aspect of the metaphysical and alien world, And we didn't even get to the Socorro Crash and the Six-Fingered Creatures, but he reached into sort of every metaphysical bucket that's sitting out there right now, and I guess that's what did it for me.
	First-time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	Wildcard line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Uh, evening.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Yeah.
	Art?
	Yes.
	Okay, am I on?
	You're on.
	Oh, okay, good.
	I know where there's a six-fingered body.
	I'm pretty sure it is.
	It appears to be one.
	You take an I-10 out of Phoenix?
	Yes.
	And you go past the next town.
	I can't think of the name of the next big town.
	But anyway, it's a place called The Thing.
	See?
	The Thing.
	T-H-I-N-G.
	And it's an ancient body in there.
	They said they found it in a cave up by Phoenix.
	And that it was inspected and it's mummified.
	Well now, you know, there is a very rare condition that will produce six digits on a human hand.
	Yeah, I'm just saying that this body appears to have six fingers, but you'd have to put an accurate machine on it to know for sure, because it appears to have been mummified in leather.
	Anyway, 35 years ago, I got about 35 feet away from two Sasquatch.
	You do?
	Yes, and it was much like the same fella that called before and said that he thought it was a bear.
	It was a night, moonlit night, the clouds breaking in and out, and snow on the ground, and I was walking down a backcountry road up in Northern California, and I just looked to the left, and my first thought was, my God, a bear!
	And it's standing up.
	And I went Oh, yes.
	going around but if you have been so scared to do a half-step and then don't
	run and keep stepping oh yes that's what i did
	the second look there was two of them and they were both standing there and i didn't run i just
	looked at them and they watched me right across the highway which
	uh... highways what about ten foot on each side so see that's why i'm
	persisting in this because too many people have seen what appears to be
	a creature that is not human and not animal
	sort of in between right there at their neck their uh...
	kinda shorter shorter neck real short neck and
	copy did mention their arms are longer like almost down to the knee
	and very big on top no it's true i listen i have for for what it's worth i have a photograph
	of exactly what you just talked about Right.
	I've got that picture.
	I'm tempted to post it.
	We'll see.
	Yeah.
	Okay, Art.
	I just thought I'd let you know about that.
	And that thing is out there.
	It looks like a woman with a small one.
	And it appears to have six fingers.
	I appreciate the call, sir.
	Okay.
	Thanks, Art.
	Thank you.
	And take care.
	So... There you are, folks.
	I don't know...
	I don't know what it is.
	I just know that I will continue to pursue an articulate spokesman with regard to the Sasquatch business, because there are stories that simply abound.
	And I'm not saying that my guest didn't grasp some of it, or I'm not even going to question what he said, because I do believe that the man believed what he was telling us.
	It's just that I want Some more information on this, and I want it from a good, articulate spokesperson, and we will continue to seek that, despite the difficulties entailed in doing so.
	We'll be right with you.
	It is, and I've got a very interesting report here.
	It's a follow-up to the Somaliland story, and it's by Reuters.
	And it says, Somaliland authorities are saying mysterious explosions over Northwest Somalia have made people fall ill and animals behave strangely.
	And they are now asking for an international probe into reports that unidentified aircraft flew over that region of the breakaway state.
	The government of the self-declared Republic of Somaliland says two explosions in the sky were heard in December in the port city of Barbera on the Gulf of Aden and in the Soland-Sana regions to the east and southeast.
	And you already know the rest of it, how it affected people and animals.
	But they are now calling for an international investigation into what it was.
	And again, they had some sightings of what they call aircraft.
	They're not using the word UFOs.
	They're talking about aircraft.
	So, somehow I'm beginning to suspect the evil hand of man at work here, and I wonder what it is we exploded, or let me correct that, what it is somebody exploded over that country.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, two things about that.
	Uh, yes.
	Uh, when he mentioned that he was with the CIA, suddenly that got me.
	No, no, no.
	He didn't say, uh, he was with the CIA, and that is not what got bleeped.
	Oh, okay.
	What got bleeped, uh, I let the CIA, you heard me talking to him about that.
	Yeah.
	Uh, that didn't get bleeped.
	What got bleeped was, uh, the Lord's name mentioned in a way that people would have found, uh, discomforting.
	Okay.
	I got the wrong impression.
	No, the CIA business, that's another aspect of it that bothered me.
	You know, Stan said, well, the CIA had commissioned somebody, apparently, to give him a drug, truth drug, and you know, he says he has records of it, but can't show them to anybody, and that bothered me.
	And with regard to the hypnotic records and all the rest of it, I guess, you know, he's shown his wife or somebody close by, but it does not show people who inquire about it.
	I agree.
	Yeah, that bothered me, too.
	I attended a lecture of his about two years ago here in Eugene, Oregon, and he says he's not particularly religious, and yet he began his lecture by saying that only those that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are worthy of this knowledge.
	And Sasquatch can only trust those who are Christian, in other words.
	And a few of us there were not Christian.
	Well, he didn't deny religion.
	He said, to be fair to him, he said he had his own personal contact with God.
	And I would give much the same answer.
	I feel the same way.
	But at the time, that is what he said at the lecture.
	I agree with a lot of the other callers.
	he has his own experiences and I want to respect that.
	But as you've said, he's just tying all of these things together and it's...
	Art Bell and Stan Johnson.
	Art, it would seem to me that if any of it's true, then all of it's true.
	a really good speaker on Bigfoot.
	Well, that makes two of us.
	Right.
	Or probably a million of us.
	Yes.
	Thank you very, very much.
	Thank you.
	Art Bell and Stan Johnson.
	Art, it would seem to me that if any of it's true, then all of it's true.
	Many people leave their body, experience worlds that are far beyond the chicken muck that we live in.
	It all must be connected.
	If it's not connected, then none of it is true.
	Then we should all stop wasting time talking about it.
	Since I know that at least some of it is true, paranormal, ETs, astral projection, etc., then I'm not so arrogant to presume I can make such sweeping determinations to try to identify what is and what is not.
	That's absolutely true, Dave.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	I'm a regression therapist.
	Yes, sir.
	And I've done a regression of a six-fingered Sasquatch that was Joan of Arc in a previous life, but now is a 666-degree Mason in the Trilateral Commission.
	A friend of mine, probably.
	Yeah, and I'd like to be a guest.
	I think I could tie all this together.
	Could you?
	Well, we just tried real hard.
	I'm just pulling your leg.
	Yeah, I know.
	Actually, in its own way, It was classic.
	I think a lot of his problem, like you said, he only has a 7th grade education.
	I think that gave him a lot of trouble.
	He wasn't very good.
	Well, that's right.
	But then again, on the other hand, he's 80 years old.
	He lives out in the woods in Backwoods, Oregon.
	Right.
	And where would such a story come from?
	Who else would come in contact with one?
	Yeah.
	Inbred relatives might be one.
	Well, I don't know that I would have put it that way, but I... Yeah, if there is any country where these creatures are, that is the country.
	And on up to Washington, there's no question about it.
	So, what do I know?
	I just... I know it wasn't a good day for Stan.
	I'll say that.
	It wasn't a good day.
	And after last weekend, I just hope they can swim.
	You have a good point.
	I imagine they're having to contend with the swollen and overflowing rivers the way mere mortals are.
	That's right.
	I appreciate the call.
	Thank you.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi there.
	Hi.
	This is Mike in Oregon.
	Hello, Mike.
	Yeah, I wanted to make a comment on that fast fly.
	Yes.
	I'm in a law enforcement position, and I talked to an officer up in the Hood River area.
	This was about a year, maybe a year ago.
	And he went out on a call and investigated a hand print on the glass of a cabin that was 17 inches long.
	Right.
	Now this is second hand, you know.
	I just heard it talking in a phone conversation on some other business.
	Right.
	But you know, I get in the woods a lot and how many people have been out there hunting and have found the carcass of a bear or even seen a live bear?
	You know, hunters.
	I know a lot of hunters.
	Like I say myself, I hunt and I've never seen a mountain lion.
	I've seen track.
	It's just one of those things.
	I think there's something to it.
	I think there's something to it, too.
	There's something going on.
	I can't put my finger on it.
	Some kind of creature is out there.
	The other night, Dan Rather, at the beginning and end of his newscast, Okay, one more comment and I'll get off.
	which is now put on the endangered species list.
	So there's obviously people out there that very firmly believe there is such a creature.
	And I'm going to keep plugging away and we will eventually find somebody to speak to
	us on the subject in depth.
	Okay, one more comment and I'll get off.
	My wife said she heard on the radio about that, I'm not trying to throw a monkey wrench
	into this, but that stuff they were analyzing that was supposed to be Sasquatch hair.
	It turned out to be a synthetic.
	No, that came from my show.
	Yes, it did.
	And that is not the hair sample, or fur sample, if you will, or whatever it is, that is presently being examined.
	Oh, that was another case.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	Okay, that clears me up.
	Thank you very much.
	You bet.
	That was on my program, as a matter of fact.
	We'll be right back.
	GMX, back now to the phones.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Mark from Collinsville on Techcom.
	Hi there.
	Yes, I went to sleep early on your first guest, and a buddy of mine called up while I was asleep and told me that a Japanese person has found a new comet.
	Oh, it's absolutely true, yes.
	What is your source on that?
	I've got several, several different sources on this.
	Can you mention one?
	Yeah, I can.
	It's an internet article and it's also been on Reuters.
	And I've got about two or three faxed newspaper articles to me.
	They're not here.
	No, this is accurate.
	The New Comet comes extremely close to the Sun, 0.22 AU, as opposed to 1 AU for Hellbomb.
	Correct.
	And I've got all the orbital data on it as well.
	So, no, this is accurate, discovered by a Japanese man with binoculars.
	That should be coming up in time.
	Sky and Telescope, or maybe Astronomy Magazine.
	Absolutely, yes.
	Now, am I correct to assume that these Hellbomb and this New Comet will be in the sky at the same time?
	Um, you know it sounds that way, yes.
	And wouldn't it sort of fit in with Hopi Prophecy?
	And when this was first seen, sir, it was of a tenth magnitude.
	That's very bright.
	And you're familiar with Hopi Prophecy?

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