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Nov. 26, 1995 - Art Bell
01:54:07
Dreamland with Art Bell - Linda Moulton Howe interviews Jim Marrs - Dr. Bruce Goldberg - Remote Viewing and Past Lives
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Well, this also then gets into the area of UFOs, which is a common subject on Dreamland, and you have now interviewed probably as many or more remote viewers as anyone.
What is one of the comments from remote viewers about UFOs?
Well, it's interesting because there is even controversy within the remote viewers about UFOs.
But what's most fascinating is, is that none of them say that there's no such animal.
They all agree that they have had the experience of seeing in their mind's eye a UFO, their inhabitants, sometimes where they're coming from, sometimes where they're going to.
The controversy is over some of them think that this should be a prime area of And yet, if we have outside here, and there's so many other eyewitnesses that come into this issue of another intelligence interacting with the planet, if the government of the United States and Army Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency have used remote viewing to access
Things both past and current armaments perhaps even looking for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war.
What have remote viewers seen or ascertained about what's in these objects that we call UFOs?
Well, the first thing to understand is that we're not talking about little green men from Mars.
We're talking about many species and many different species of beings that they see out there in the universe.
Most of which have little or nothing to do with the Earth.
There's only a handful of races who come to the Earth I'd like to interrupt for a second.
Jim, I want to ask you two things about remote viewing.
It was never my understanding that remote viewing could look through time as well as across space.
I always thought it was a sort of, I can see what's going on, for example, in Moscow through the eyes of somebody else.
That's one of the things they discovered while working at SRI with this phenomenon.
they were doing experiments where they would send out a team of people who would have computer
generated locations in sealed envelopes and when they got out a certain distance they
would open the envelope and go to this location.
Meanwhile back at the laboratory a remote viewer would at a certain time try to see
if he could envision where these people were and they had some tremendous success with
this particular experiment.
They had a fellow named Pat Price who was a former police inspector and he apparently
had some very fine human psychic ability and what they suddenly discovered was on one particular
occasion was that Pat Price gave them a very definite clear description of the location
20 minutes before the people arrived there.
So they began to realize, did some other experimentation and concluded that this remote viewing ability
is not necessarily limited by time.
There are several other examples I could give to you, but that was one of the things they determined.
Sorry, we're short on time.
Jim, one other question.
Psychic warfare, that's what you called it.
The psychic warfare program, right.
Would it be called more properly psychic warfare, which implies an ability to do damage, or psychic sight, or maybe psychic spying, in other words.
Is there the ability, with the power of the mind, To affect others, one way or the other.
This was one of the things they were very concerned about, and there may be other programs using other methodology.
For instance, ELF in extremely low frequency, maybe even MKUltra-type mind control things that would impinge on that.
But the remote viewers that I have talked to, the Sci-Spies, have said that over a period of time they came to realize that apparently you cannot physically do anything to anybody.
You can simply look.
Alright, that was important.
Linda?
Yes, one other thing to show how, what a hard science in a way this is, Ingo Swann, one of the pioneers and stars of the government's program, remote viewed the planet Jupiter approximately six years before we had the Voyager pass by.
Out of that actual scientific experimentation, they did learn something that Ingo Swann had in his notebooks, and which I've seen with my own eyes, that there was a small ring of debris around the planet Jupiter And that there were various things he commented about the electromagnetic fields of Jupiter and other things in the clouds that they did discover six years later.
And it is those, it is that kind of combination of being able to verify after remote viewing, which continues to put it into the area of a harder science rather than something that is speculative.
How are we ever going to get our hands on any hard data?
I assume we will not, not from the government anyway.
I would doubt so.
Is there any private research going on, can either one of you answer, that might yield documentation?
Unfortunately, there's none that I know of, and this is something that definitely needs to be done.
This is a very labor-intensive type operation.
to make it work and to increase the accuracy of the remote viewing you need to target maybe
a dozen remote viewers against one target and then you synthesize the information and
find the threads of commonality and the accuracy of what they're seeing increases and pushes
upwards close to the 100% accuracy.
But to do this requires trained people using methodology with lots of time, a concerted
program and that requires money and the military and the CIA of course keep their experiments
to themselves and the government and most standard traditional scientists would say
oh well this doesn't work anyway and so the money's not there to do it.
Alright well we're almost out of time.
Linda knows some people that have money that sometimes invest in this kind of thing from
Linda, do you know of anything privately going on?
I don't know anything privately in this area, but Jim says that as of the spring of this year, he knew that there were funded remote viewing exercises going on in the government.
All right, you two.
We're out of time.
Linda, give your information, contact information, please.
All right.
The 800 toll-free number for information about my work is 800-707-TOLLS.
9993.
That's 800-707-9993.
And you can write to me at Linda Howe Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
And you can write to me at Linda Howe, Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania,
ZIP Code 19006.
I'm interested in anybody's information out there, whether it's in government remote viewing,
people can talk to me off the record, or eyewitness encounters with some of the phenomena we discussed
on Dreamland.
And my fax number is area code 215-491-9842.
That's 215-491-9842.
And in the coming year, as Jim's books come out, Art, I think it'd be very interesting to look at remote viewing and some other areas he's going to deal with the phenomena related to UFOs.
Alright, well, Linda, get us privately some contact information for Jim and maybe we'll have him on as a guest.
All right, I will, and happy Thanksgiving to you and to everyone and to all of our new radio stations.
Indeed, and to you, Jim, thank you very much, and both of you take care.
That's Linda Howe, and it's certainly good to have her on the program, running very short on time for about, oh, well, I don't know, several months now, anyway.
We've been telling you about the new currency that is on the way.
North American...
From the kingdom of Nye, we continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
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Now again, here's Art Bell.
We have a genuine mystery here. I just got a fax from Dean in Kauai and I'll read it to you verbatim.
Aloha, Art.
Just wanted to let you know, I've heard nothing about the 8.5 reported quake on Friday night, Saturday morning.
Now, I heard it via the ABC News feed, yet when I called their office in New York, they denied making the report.
I did hear it.
So did many others.
What was it?
Any clues?
No, Dean.
I've got, and I saved on purpose, the Reuters report that I got.
You'll hear it on the show, following this one, as it came in from so many people.
It is the oddest earthquake, sort of, you know, you don't want to use the word cover-up, but I'm telling you all right now, something very weird occurred with the report of this quake.
Incidentally, I did hear it after finishing the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
I heard it on the Associated Press as well.
So I've got it from at least four, three or four major news sources.
And I've got it from all of you who, you know, heard it on so many sources.
So I don't know what the deal is.
I'm just a talk show host.
I take reports.
I've got news sources.
And I've got all of you.
So something occurred.
And something's going on that they're not telling us about.
I don't know what it is.
When we come back, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
We all know that in for me, Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who is a dentist, a hypnotherapist, an author, a parapsychologist.
He has written a book called The Search for Grace.
It was turned into a TV movie.
I know a lot of you may have seen it.
A very well documented case of murder and reincarnation.
Dr. Goldberg has a very wide, wide expanse of experience in these areas.
And so let us go to Dr. Goldberg now, who is located, let me find out where he is.
Dr. Goldberg, where are you?
Hi, I'm in Whitman Hills, California, a suburb of Los Angeles, which has not yet fallen into the ocean.
And so we're all glad to hear.
Uh, we're, we're trying to track this, uh, not, not, not that it is your field, but, uh... Well, actually, actually, this does fit in, and I'll show you how we can do this.
We can all do a remote viewing.
I don't know what's going on with that interview, because you told me that earlier this evening.
I hadn't heard of it, but then again, I'm not a newshound.
But maybe you could do a new book called The Art of Expose.
Yeah, no kidding.
I know what's going on.
But I would like to make a couple of comments about remote viewing, about your previous guest, Jim.
He's quite correct, by the way.
Remote viewing, which has really replaced the term of astral projection that was used in the 70s.
Well, what it really means is a more scientific way of doing an out-of-body experience under laboratory-controlled circumstances.
And yes, I'm familiar with the research, the work of Russell Targ at SRI, what it used to be at SRI anyway, with Keith Harry and a few others.
Yes, you do do a form of time travel.
Yes, you can go backwards and forwards in time.
Because what you're doing is an out-of-body experience, and I think your listeners are more familiar with the concept of near-death experiences, which is a form of an out-of-body experience.
The difference with this, of course, is remotely you don't have to be near clinical death to have it happen.
But in near-death experience work, the work of Ray Moody, as well as more so Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, shows that people do have precognitive experiences, which have been very documented as a result of these near-death experiences, or out-of-body experiences.
Alright, so in other words, from your point of view, this validates your work, it's a different approach, but the same general thing.
Right, but not only that, but I'm also commenting on him that he's correct about the research, that remote viewing isn't just going from point A to point B now, currently, but it also can, you can go back and forward in time and it would not be inconceivable to review the Kennedy assassination or the Lincoln assassination.
Well, I'm still kicking myself.
I meant to ask him who did shoot from the front, but slipped my mind.
The man who said ducks.
You know, my theory on the Kennedy thing is we're never going to know.
I mean, it just doesn't matter.
There are so many theories piled on theories now that one more, even the absolute truth, we'd never know it if it hit us in the noggin.
Well, you know, in 1978 the House Committee on Assassinations conceded it was a conspiracy.
They just locked it as is.
But they did acknowledge, you know, 17 years ago that it was more than one shooter, if you will.
So that really is not even a consideration.
is that you know what they have been picked up pampered and lost brains and
It is.
and and uh... and arrogant copy of the government uh... you know claiming
national security for their cover-up as they have with ufo research and others
is that we're never going to know anything we can't get to the material to
what year twenty thirty nine something it is it is first time i've heard
president's brain is missing now i have read before too
That's been around too, but the point is that we couldn't know what to document that because you can't get into the particular location to find it out.
It's not open until 1929 or 2039, so therefore all you heard were rumors in some, you know, men's room in the Pentagon somewhere, you know.
Well, it'd be a lot easier for me to assimilate that remark if it referred to a contemporary president.
I think remote viewings are also relevant too because what happens is the title of your
show, Dreamland, when you deal with dreams, every time we have a dream, when we go into
the sleep cycle at night.
Sure.
I have, because of the nature of the work I do, I do Dreamland Sunday nights, then I do an all-night show during the week.
Coast to coast.
That's right.
All right.
When I get off the air at 4 a.m.
body experience. So really every night we go to remote viewing when we go to sleep.
All right, I want to ask you a question. Sure. I have, because of the nature of the work I do,
I do Dreamland Sunday nights, then I do an all-night show during the week. Coast to coast.
That's right. All right. When I get off the air at 4 a.m.
Pacific time on coast, the adrenaline's pumping. Is it?
You know, I've been drinking coffee, sitting here and smoking cigarettes, doing politically incorrect stuff all night.
And so, I'm pretty hyped up.
About two hours later, I generally try to go to sleep, to get a couple, two or three hours sleep.
So I'm up during the middle of the day and I can conduct a little bit of normal business.
I have discovered this particular period of sleep is very troubled, subject to constant dreaming and nightmares, frankly.
And then my sleep later in the day is just fine.
I take it that I'm in and out of a very shallow area of sleep because, no doubt, of the chemicals in my body, all the coffee.
Well, also because of the latency.
More importantly than that, yes, that's true, but that would be equivalent to somebody on a more normal, quote, normal or regular life cycle who would maybe go to bed at 11 o'clock and may be drinking coffee at 9 p.m.
or something and then go to bed two hours later.
But your problem here isn't so much the chemicals, although I don't recommend those as the ideal way to sleep, but your problem here is you're only getting, what, two or three hours of sleep?
Well, that's right, yes.
All right, so that's only at the most two complete sleep cycles, actually one and a half.
That's the worst part.
You get your most rest when you go into your third or fourth sleep cycle, not the first or second one.
So that's really the problem.
Secondly, you have to superimpose.
When you do Coast to Coast, which is basically a new show, you're not exactly dealing with the all-positive hour, you know?
No, that's true.
You're dealing with a lot of negative stuff.
That's right.
And so therefore, this is like when people, before they go to bed at night, when they think about the reason why most dreams are actually many nightmares, I don't know.
In fact, we call them night terrors.
It's all kinds of things that happen at night.
The reason why people wake up more burnt out than when they went to bed, and more neurotic
by the way, you'll notice most people as they get older get more neurotic, not more positive,
is because they program themselves before going to bed with all the worries and frustrations
and anxieties that they're fed, unfortunately, mostly by the media, but they're also depersonalized
too.
So this really is more important in your negative programming than it is the coffee or even
the, any other thing that you might be, you know, talking about.
I only mentioned the chemicals, the coffee and the nicotine because I think they produce
a very shallow sleep that's kind of in and out in that weird little area between wakefulness
sleep but also if you had for example if you had a six hours of sleep rather than two hours you find a big
difference Because oh, yeah, by the time you get both of your ends are
actually piled up in the latter part of sleep cycle Not the beginning so really you only get maybe 15 to 20
minutes of end If that out of that which is not enough to emotionally
cleanse you and that's why you'll be more hyper more uptight and more
Just you know Depersonalized so to speak. I'm a serious type a as you are
And so that's you know that also contributes to it Yeah, man.
You bring up a good point.
Yes, I definitely, no one's ever accused me of being other than a type A person.
That's right.
And I will acknowledge that as I have publicly for 20 something years.
However, this is the other factor here.
When I go to the East Coast, if I'm doing like a TV interview in New York or Chicago, what I will do is I don't like to take a day off and travel.
I will always take overnight flights, the red-eye flights as they call them.
What I do is I don't sleep on the plane, I can sleep anywhere.
What I do to rest myself and not have to waste the time because the five hour flight is really
not enough for a full sleep cycle, I will just go into an alpha level.
I will use self-hypnosis.
I will do like a super conscious mind tap as I call it.
I will do a self-hypnotic experience for maybe about an hour and a half which is equivalent
to about six hours of sleep because every minute in hypnosis or alpha is equivalent
to three to four Earth minutes and therefore I get all the rest I need without having to
be unconscious for most of the time and without having to have the full eight hours or seven
hours that I would normally get.
How do you do that?
Oh, self-hypnosis.
It's very simple.
In fact, we've mentioned before, we'll talk a little bit about how I have tapes.
I have a self-hypnosis tape, which is a series of them.
But any of them, in the beginning, give a certain post-hypnotic cue, which will allow you on a very, you know, if you use a tape maybe for a week or two, to actually condition yourself within 30 seconds to get yourself into that alpha level.
And then you can just simply just stay in that alpha level and just... Okay, give me a rough overview of how that actually is achieved.
All right.
Very simply, for somebody who is a novice who has no formal experience and who has not worked with, you know, most people who work with my tapes have never seen me in Los Angeles here.
So what I would very simply do is have them take a deep breath and hold it for the count of say five or six or so.
Then let it out slowly.
Take a second deep breath.
Maybe hold it for a count of ten.
Now we're neutralizing their breathing.
And then I would have them think of something pleasant.
It doesn't matter whatever they consider pleasant.
A mountain scene, a cave, whatever they like.
And then just simply repeat, not a mantra so much, I don't like that, but something that some number or code word or something that they find familiar that's relevant to them that can help them block out the needless, you know, maniacal thoughts that they may have had prior to that.
and then when their breathing is neutralized, once they are conditioned with a post-typnotic
cue, then they are going to enter into a little deeper phase of that alpha level, the daydream
state, the natural level that we go through for four hours during the waking day and three
hours at night, and then they can simply allow that to recharge, as people would do when
they meditate or do yoga or do biofeedback or do any of the other alpha level techniques.
So...
And then they can simply use that to just program in positive thoughts or just use it
to just tune out the world and to recharge themselves without allowing themselves to
be exposed to the negativity.
I do.
And so this would work, for example, after I've been exposed to a night of news.
You could be exposed to having tea with Saddam Hussein.
It doesn't matter where you are.
What makes the difference... Remember now, I'm not saying for you to tank up on the coffee.
The coffee really isn't that relevant, unless you drink like 20 cups in an hour.
It's really just as important as is the frame of mind that you're in prior to your trying to go to sleep.
And also what your mind is thinking of.
Naturally, if you can't tune out those negative items on the coast to coast or any of the news shows, you know, all the stuff you're fed in by the wire services and all the other material you get, then you're going to have problems in trying to neutralize all that.
Because what you're going to be doing is like the person who is sort of like the wide receiver in football who runs before he catches the ball and drops it.
You know?
Well, look, this is very important, Doctor, because we're in a day and age where we get stories about people cutting women open and taking their babies, you know, in Chicago, near Chicago, that kind of thing.
I mean, it's just, by the day, you think it cannot get worse, and it does.
So, the technique you describe could be very valuable.
Oh, as a matter of fact, I use it myself because, you know, my office, most of my patients are what you would consider,
I would consider to be average, say, middle class people.
But I have patients, women, who have been abused sexually, I've had sexual harassment on the job, I've had people who
have been brutalized.
I don't know.
I see patients, they don't come to me to brag about how great their lives are.
I see negativity and a lot of very degenerative behavior or victimizations if you will on
a daily basis.
I tune it out by using these techniques.
In fact I train them to do that because people who do live in situations that they cannot
change, it's a matter of how they respond to it.
If they don't use these techniques, they're going to wind up either on a lot of medication or in some place with rubber walls for their necks.
All right, Dr. Goldberg, stand by this moment.
We'll be right back to you.
I'm still playing a little catch-up.
All right, again, I'm going to bore in on this.
Dr. Goldberg, question for you about dreams.
How is one to delineate Or can you?
Between a dream that involves something, some sort of precognition, or some viewing of something that occurred in the present or past, and absolute random firing of synapses that result in some sort of weird story that scares you or makes you happy, in other words, a ridiculous made-up Well, first, one of the keys that I use is naturally the history of you having these.
If you have a dream, or let's just say a content dream, that is repetitive, that you're getting over and over again, that is by all definition, even my harshest antagonists and critics will admit, that's the subconscious mind trying to tell you something.
Now you're looking at the accuracy of it.
Obviously, if you have a history of these that are repeated and they come true, well, you've got a good ratio.
If it's just a one-shot deal, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Let me show you a scientist who actually did this to show you how.
We'll talk about remote viewing.
One of the biggest names in remote viewing is Russell Targ.
He used to be at SRI.
Russell Targ, in the early 80s, he wrote a book called The Mind Race with Keith Harry about his work up there.
What he did was when he left SRI, because he didn't like the government getting their grubby little hands on Department of Defense, mostly, and controlling the projects, mostly for negative uses, of course.
They were trying to train CIA agents to go into remote view into Moscow and pick up the secrets from behind closed doors there.
Well, what he found out was that after he left there, he used this technique himself, and this was written up in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
He did the remote viewing to get, to go into the future, this is a time concept again, and he found out silver futures results.
He won $100,000 or made $100,000 on silver futures on a way very different than the way Hillary Clinton did with other, with ticker futures.
Now you're talking.
But he did it, he did it, it was reported about 1986 or 87 in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
It was fully documented.
Yeah, really, absolutely.
It's an absolute fact.
And so, therefore, this confirms a couple of things.
One is that he used a technique, obviously, to materially benefit, but to also show how accurate it was.
Plus, he also shows here how remote viewing can give you a precognitive or future information.
Have you tried it?
Oh, of course.
Remote viewing?
Well, see, remote viewing...
I call it progression, you see.
It's really the same thing.
Well, it rolls by any other name.
My question was, are you able to do it?
Oh, sure.
In fact, as a matter of fact, I'll give you one of the best examples of it that I did.
In 1990, it was around Christmas time of 1990, and I did one of my age progressions going into the future of this current life on my current frequency, which we'll discuss a little later.
Well, look, we're at the top of the hour, so let's break off here and pick this up right after the news, which is coming up next.
And during the break, we'll have a little private conversation about the price of gold.
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We've also seen other blonde beings that were...
that had very strange, kind of empty face and were shorter.
Bye.
I have seen and been close to human-like beings who were about three and a half feet tall, whom I at first took to be children, but weren't obviously children when I got more clear about what they were.
The one time I saw one of them up close, I thought it was a child sitting under a tree in the woods behind my old house in New York.
I walked up to him thinking he was smoking a cigarette.
He had something between his fingers.
When I leaned over, I saw obviously that I was dealing with something very, very strange.
He opened his mouth and growled and scared the hell out of me.
I ran away.
I ask all the researchers I talk to what's most likely that they're visitors from our future or visitors from elsewhere, and the most frequent answer I get is probably both.
Well, I'll tell you what I think they are, just to sum it up quickly.
Some of them are from elsewhere.
Some of them are born and raised here, but essentially of non-human origin.
Some of them are from our future.
Human and non-human.
Some of them are from our past.
Human and non-human.
Our own dead are involved in this and are actively participating.
What's happening is huge.
It's massive.
What would you say to the average person if they are on the edge of or beginning to experience an encounter, would you say A. Embrace it and go with it or B. Run like hell?
Neither, I would say.
Take what you can from it, but be cautious and be wise, because if you embrace this totally, you're making yourself out to be a fool.
If you run from it, you're wasting it.
So go for it.
Take what you can from it.
Be careful.
Take each wary step, one at a time.
Exactly.
Take it a step at a time.
I've got you.
All right.
East of the Rockies, not a lot of time.
You're on the air with Whitley Strieber.
Hello.
Yeah, this is Dave in Illinois.
Hi, Dave.
Hi.
And I was wondering if, well, you were talking about the past sophisticated civilization.
Yeah.
Yes.
And in light of the things on Mars and on the Moon, did you see any correlations between The statement at the end of Transformation and the ancient language thing?
Oh, at the end of Transformation there's a statement in, I believe Betty Luca had uttered some words that she heard the visitors saying, and I discovered that these were Gaelic, in the old Gaelic-Irish language, and they meant, children of the northern peoples, you wander in eternal darkness.
And this is a very old, ancient language.
Many of the words in it are very prototypical.
You could be talking about a language that's one of the very oldest of human languages.
So yeah, there could be some kind of connection.
Incredible.
Well, Whitley, it sounds like Whitley Strieber is really back in top form.
And we're glad to have you back.
Well, I'm excited to be back because there was a time when I thought I never would again, and I had given up entirely, but the visitors never gave up on me, and that's why I'm back.
Well, it's great to have you, and I'm honored to have been able to interview you, and it went so well that I would beg that we do it again someday.
Oh, well, you don't need to beg.
We'll do it.
Whitley, thank you so very much.
Oh, it's been a pleasure, Rory.
Take care, my friend.
You too.
Uh, well, wasn't that something?
Um, I'm going to give you a little bit of information prior to the ending of the show here.
That was, of course, Whitley Strieber, and I well understand because of the massive faxes I'm getting.
Uh, that a lot of you are going to want copies of this very important program.
So, if you do, uh, the number to obtain a copy... Preparation for what's going on here?
I'm not sure what would.
Well, this also then gets into the area of UFOs, which is a common subject on Dreamland, and you have now interviewed probably as many or more remote viewers as anyone.
What is one of the comments from remote viewers about UFOs?
Well, it's interesting because there is even controversy within the remote viewers about UFOs.
But what's most fascinating is, is that none of them say that there's no such animal.
They all agree that they have had the experience of seeing in their mind's eye a UFO, their inhabitants, sometimes where they're coming from, sometimes where they're going to.
The controversy is over some of them think that this should be a prime area of And yet, if we have outside here, and there's so many other eyewitnesses that come into this issue of another intelligence interacting with the planet, if the government of the United States and Army Intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency have used remote viewing to access
Things both past and current, armaments, perhaps even looking for Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War.
What have remote viewers seen or ascertained about what's in these objects that we call UFOs?
Well, the first thing to understand is that we're not talking about little green men from Mars.
We're talking about many races and many different species of beings that they see out there in the universe.
Most of which have little or nothing to do with the Earth.
There's only a handful of races who come to the Earth I'd like to interrupt for a second.
Jim, I want to ask you two things about remote viewing.
It was never my understanding that remote viewing could look through time as well as across space.
I always thought it was a sort of, I can see what's going on, for example, in Moscow through the eyes of somebody else.
That's one of the things they discovered while working at SRI with this phenomenon.
they were doing experiments where they would send out a team of people who would have computer
generated locations in sealed envelopes and when they got out a certain distance they
would open the envelope and go to this location.
Meanwhile back at the laboratory a remote viewer would at a certain time try to see
if he could envision where these people were and they had some tremendous success with
this particular experiment.
They had a fellow named Pat Price who was a former police inspector and he apparently
had some very fine human psychic ability and what they suddenly discovered was on one particular
occasion was that Pat Price gave them a very definite clear description of the location
20 minutes before the people arrived there.
So they began to realize and did some other experimentation and concluded that.
That this remote viewing ability is not necessarily limited by time.
There are several other examples I could give to you, but that was one of the things they determined.
Sorry, we're short on time.
Jim, one other question.
Psychic warfare, that's what you called it.
The psychic warfare program, right.
Would it be called more properly psychic warfare, which implies an ability to do damage, or psychic sight, or maybe psychic spying, in other words.
Is there the ability, with the power of the mind, to affect others one way or the other.
This was one of the things they were very concerned about, and there may be other programs using other methodology.
For instance, ELF low, you know, extremely low frequency, maybe even MKUltra-type mind control things that would impinge on that.
But the remote viewers that I have talked to, the SciSpys, have said that over a period of time they came to realize that apparently you cannot physically do anything to anybody.
You can simply look.
All right, that was important.
Linda?
Yes, one other thing to show how, what a hard science in a way this is, Ingo Swann, one of the pioneers and stars of the government's program, remote viewed the planet Jupiter approximately six years before we had the Voyager pass by.
Out of that actual scientific experimentation, they did learn something that Ingo Swann had in his notebooks, and which I've seen with my own eyes, that there was a small ring of debris around the planet Jupiter, and that there were various things he commented about the electromagnetic fields of Jupiter and other things in the clouds that they did discover six years later.
And it is that kind of combination of being able to verify after remote viewing, which continues to put it into the area of a harder science rather than something that is speculative.
How are we ever going to get our hands on any hard data?
I assume we will not, not from the government anyway.
I would doubt so.
Is there any private research going on, can either one of you answer, that might yield documentation?
Unfortunately, there's none that I know of, and this is something that definitely needs to be done.
This is a very labor-intensive type operation.
To make it work and to increase the accuracy of the remote viewing, you need to target maybe a dozen remote viewers against one target.
And then you synthesize the information and find the threads of commonality.
and your uh... the accuracy of what they're saying increases and pushes
upwards close to the hundred percent accuracy but to do this requires
trained people using methodology with lots of time for a concerted program in
and and that requires money and the military and the CIA of course keep their
experiments to themselves and the government and most standard
traditional science scientists would say oh well this doesn't work anyway and
so the money's not there to do it. Alright well we're almost out of time
Linda knows some people that have money that uh... that sometimes invest in
this kind of thing from time to time. Linda do you know of anything privately
going on?
I don't know anything privately in this area, but Jim says that as of the spring of this year, he knew that there were funded remote viewing exercises going on in the government.
All right, you two.
We're out of time.
Linda, give your information, contact information, please.
All right.
The 800 toll-free number for information about my work is 800-707-2.
9993.
That's 800-707-9993.
And you can write to me at Linda Howe Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
And you can write to me at Linda Howe, Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania,
ZIP Code 19006.
I'm interested in anybody's information out there, whether it's in government remote viewing,
people can talk to me off the record, or eyewitness encounters with some of the phenomena we discussed
on Dreamland.
And my fax number is area code 215-491-9842.
That's 215-491-9842.
And in the coming year, as Jim's books come out, Art, I think it would be very interesting to look at remote viewing and some other areas he's going to deal with the phenomena related to UFOs.
Alright, well Linda, get us privately some contact information for Jim and maybe we'll have him on as a guest.
All right.
I will.
And happy Thanksgiving to you and to everyone and to all of our new radio stations.
Indeed.
And to you, Jim, thank you very much.
And both of you take care.
That's Linda Howe.
And it's certainly good to have her on the program.
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Now again, here's Art Bell.
We have a genuine mystery here. I just got a fax from Dean in Kauai and I'll read it to you verbatim.
Aloha, Art.
Just wanted to let you know, I've heard nothing about the 8.5 reported quake on Friday night, Saturday morning.
Now, I heard it via the ABC News feed, yet when I called their office in New York, they denied making the report.
I did hear it.
So did many others.
What was it?
Any clues?
No, Dean.
I've got, and I saved on purpose, the Reuters report that I got.
You'll hear it on the show, following this one, as it came in from so many people.
It is the oddest earthquake, sort of, you know, you don't want to use the word cover-up, but I'm telling you all right now, something very weird occurred with the report of this quake.
Incidentally, I did hear it after finishing the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
I heard it on the Associated Press as well.
So I've got it from at least four, three or four major news sources.
And I've got it from all of you who, you know, heard it on so many sources.
So I don't know what the deal is.
I'm just a talk show host.
I take reports.
I've got news sources.
And I've got all of you.
So something occurred.
And something's going on that they're not telling us about.
I don't know what it is.
When we come back, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
We all know that in for me, Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who is a dentist, a hypnotherapist, an author, a parapsychologist.
He has written a book called The Search for Grace.
It was turned into a TV movie.
I know a lot of you may have seen it.
A very well documented case of murder and reincarnation.
Dr. Goldberg has a very wide, wide expanse of experience in these areas.
And so let us go to Dr. Goldberg now, who is located, let me find out where he is.
Dr. Goldberg, where are you?
Hi, I'm in Whitman Hills, California, a suburb of Los Angeles, which has not yet fallen into the ocean.
And so we're all glad to hear.
Uh, we're, we're trying to track this, uh, not, not, not that it is your field, but, uh... Well, actually, actually, this does fit in, and I'll show you how we can do this.
We can all do a remote viewing.
I don't know what's going on with that either, because you told me that earlier this evening.
I hadn't heard of it, but then again, I'm not a newshound, but maybe you could do a new book called The Art of Expose.
I would like to make a couple of comments about remote viewing, about your previous guest, Jim.
He's quite correct, by the way.
Remote viewing, which has really replaced the term of astral projection that was used in the 70s.
Well, what it really means is a more scientific way of doing an out-of-body experience under laboratory controlled circumstances.
And yes, I'm familiar with the research, the work of Russell Targ at SRI, well, he used to be at SRI anyway, with Keith Harry and a few others.
Yes, you do do a form of time travel.
Yes, you can go backwards and forwards in time.
Because what you're doing is an out-of-body experience, and I think your listeners are more familiar with the concept of near-death experiences, which is a form of an out-of-body experience.
The difference with this, of course, is remotely you don't have to be near clinical death to have it happen.
But in near-death experience, the work of Ray Moody, as well as more so Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, ...shows that people do have precognitive experiences, which have been very documented as a result of these near-death experiences, or out-of-body experiences.
Alright, so in other words, from your point of view, this validates your work, it's a different approach, but the same general thing.
Right, but not only that, but I'm also commenting on him that he's correct about the research, that remote viewing isn't just going from point A to point B now, currently, but it also can, you can go back and forward in time, and it would not be inconceivable to review the Kennedy assassination or the Lincoln assassination.
Well, I'm still kicking myself.
I meant to ask him who did shoot from the front, but slipped my mind.
The man who said duck.
You know, my theory on the Kennedy thing is we're never going to know.
I mean, it just doesn't matter.
There are so many theories piled on theories now that one more, even the absolute truth, we'd never know it if it hit us in the noggin.
Well, you know, in 1978, the House Committee on Assassinations conceded it was a conspiracy.
They just locked it as is.
But they did acknowledge, you know, 17 years ago that it was more than one shooter, if you will.
So that really is not even a consideration.
is that you know what they have to put the pampered and lost brains and and
It is.
and uh... and arrogant of the of the government uh... you know claiming
national security for their cover-up as they have with ufo research and other
people that we're never going to let me think we can't get to the material to
what you twenty thirty nine something it is it is first time i've heard the
president's brain is missing now i have heard of before to that that that that that that
that that that that the point is that he would be couldn't
no one can document that because you can't get into the uh...
the particular location to find it out
It's not open until the year 2029 or 2039, so therefore all you heard were rumors in some, you know, men's room in the Pentagon somewhere, you know.
Well, it'd be a lot easier for me to assimilate that remark if it referred to a contemporary president.
Well, we can do remote viewings.
What makes a difference?
But see, remote viewings are also relevant, too, because what happens is the title of your show, Dreamland, you see, when you deal with dreams, every time we have a dream, when we go into the I want to ask you a question.
Sure.
I have, because of the nature of the work I do, I do Dreamland Sunday nights, then I do an all-night show during the week.
Coast to coast.
That's right.
All right.
When I get off the air at 4 a.m.
body experience. So really every night we go to remote viewing when we go to sleep.
All right, I want to ask you a question. Sure. I have, because of the nature of the
work I do, I do Dreamland Sunday nights, then I do an all-night show during the
week. Coast to coast. That's right. All right. When I get off the air at 4 a.m.
Pacific Time on coast, the adrenaline's pumping.
You know, I've been drinking coffee, sitting here and smoking cigarettes, doing politically incorrect stuff all night.
And so, I'm pretty hyped up.
About two hours later, I generally try to go to sleep, to get a couple, two or three hours sleep.
So I'm up during the middle of the day and I can conduct a little bit of normal business.
I have discovered this particular period of sleep is very troubled, subject to constant dreaming and nightmares, frankly.
And then my sleep later in the day is just fine.
I take it that I'm in and out of a very shallow area of sleep because, no doubt, of the chemicals in my body or the coffee.
Well, also because of the latency.
More importantly than that, yes, that's true, but that would be equivalent to somebody on a more normal, quote, normal or regular life cycle who would maybe go to bed at 11 o'clock and may be drinking coffee at 9 p.m.
or something and then go to bed two hours later.
But your problem here isn't so much the chemicals, although I don't recommend those as the ideal way to sleep, but your problem here is you're only getting, what, two or three hours of sleep?
Well, that's right, yes.
All right, so that's only at the most two complete sleep cycles, actually one and a half.
That's the worst part.
You get your most rest when you go into your third or fourth sleep cycle, not the first or second one.
So that's really the problem.
Secondly, you have to superimpose.
When you do Coast to Coast, which is basically a new show, you're not exactly dealing with the all-positive hour, you know?
No, that's true.
You're dealing with a lot of negative stuff.
That's right.
And so therefore, this is like when people, before they go to bed at night, when they think about the reason why most dreams are actually many nightmares, In fact, we call them night terrorists, all kinds of things that happen at night.
The reason why people wake up more burnt out than when they went to bed, and more neurotic by the way, you'll notice most people as they get older get more neurotic, not more positive, is because they program themselves before going to bed with all the worries and frustrations and anxieties that they're fed, unfortunately, mostly by the media, but they're also depersonalized too.
So, this really is more important in your negative programming.
than it is the coffee or even the any other things that you might be you know.
Well I only mentioned the chemicals the coffee and the nicotine because I think they produce
a very shallow sleep that's kind of in and out in that weird little area between wakefulness and
sleep. But also if you had for example if you had say six hours of sleep rather than two hours you
find a big difference because oh yeah by the time you get most of your REMS are actually piled up in
the latter part of the sleep cycle not the beginning so really you only get maybe 15 to 20
minutes of REMS out of that which is not enough to emotionally cleanse you and that's why you'll
be more hyper more uptight and more just you know depersonalized so to speak. I'm a serious type A
as you are.
And so that's, you know, that also contributes to it.
You bring up a good point.
Yes, I definitely, no one's ever accused me of being other than a type A person.
That's right.
And I will acknowledge that as I have publicly for 20 something years.
However, this is the other factor here.
When I go to the East Coast, if I'm doing like a TV interview in New York or Chicago, what I will do is I don't like to take a day off and travel.
I will always take overnight flights, the red-eye flights as they call them.
What I do is I don't sleep on the plane, I can sleep anywhere, but what I do to rest
myself and not have to waste all the time because the five hour flight is really not
enough for a full sleep cycle, I will just go into an alpha level.
I will use self-hypnosis.
I will do like a super conscious mind tap as I call it.
I will do a self-hypnotic experience for maybe about an hour and a half which is equivalent
to about six hours of sleep because every minute in hypnosis or alpha is equivalent
to three to four Earth minutes and therefore I get all the rest I need without having to
be unconscious for most of the time and without having to have the full eight hours or seven
hours that I would normally get.
How do you do that?
Oh, self-hypnosis.
It's very simple.
In fact, we've mentioned before, we'll talk a little bit tonight about how I have tapes.
I have a self-hypnosis tape, which is a series of them, but any of them at the beginning give a certain post, if not a cue, which will allow you on a very, you know, if you use a tape maybe for a week or two, to actually condition yourself within 30 seconds to get yourself into that alpha level.
And then you can just simply just stay in that alpha level and just... Okay, give me a rough overview of how that actually is achieved.
All right.
Very simply, for somebody who's a novice, who has no formal experience, who I've not worked with, you know, most people who work with my tapes have never seen me in Los Angeles here.
So what I would very simply do is have them take a deep breath and hold it for the count of say five or six or so.
Let it out slowly.
Take a second deep breath.
Maybe hold it for a count of ten.
Now we're neutralizing their breathing.
And then I would have them think of something pleasant.
It doesn't matter, whatever they consider pleasant.
A mountain scene, a cave, whatever they like.
And then just simply repeat, not a mantra so much, I don't like that, but something that,
some number or code word or something that they find familiar that's relevant to them
that can help them block out the needless, you know, maniacal thoughts
that they may have had prior to that.
And then when their breathing is neutralized, once they're conditioned with a post, if not a cue,
then they're going to enter into a little deeper phase of that alpha level, the daydream state,
the natural level that we go through for four hours during the waking day and three hours at night.
And then they can simply allow that to recharge as people would do when they meditate or do yoga
or do biofeedback or do any of the other alpha level techniques.
So they can simply use that to just program in positive thoughts or just use it to just tune out
the world and to recharge themselves without allowing themselves to be exposed to the negativity.
Thank you.
I do.
And so this would work, for example, after I've been exposed to a night of news.
You could be exposed to having tea with Saddam Hussein.
It doesn't matter where you are, what makes the difference.
Remember now, I'm not saying for you to tank up on the coffee.
The coffee really isn't that relevant, unless you drink like 20 cups in an hour.
It really isn't as important as the frame of mind that you are in prior to you trying
to go to sleep.
Also what your mind is thinking of naturally is that if you can't tune out those negative
items on the coast to coast or any of the news shows, all the stuff you are fed in by
the wire services and all the other material you get, then you are going to have problems
in trying to neutralize all of that.
Because what you are going to be doing is like the person who is sort of like the wide
receiver in football who runs before he catches the ball and drops it.
It's my instinct.
Look, this is very important, Doctor, because we're in a day and age where we get stories about people cutting women open and taking their babies, you know, in Chicago, near Chicago, that kind of thing.
I mean, it's just, by the day, you think it cannot get worse, and it does.
So, the technique you describe could be very valuable.
Oh, as a matter of fact, I use it myself because, you know, in my office, most of my patients are what you would consider, I would consider to be average, say, middle class people.
But I have patients, women, who have been abused sexually.
I've had sexual harassment on the job.
I've had people who have been brutalized by the police department unnecessarily.
I see patients and they don't come to me to brag about how great their lives are.
I see negativity and a lot of very degenerative behavior or victimizations, if you will, on a daily basis.
I tune it out by still using these techniques.
In fact, I train them to do that because people who do live in situations that they cannot change, it's a matter of how they respond to it.
If they don't use these techniques, they're going to wind up either on a lot of medication or in some place with rubber walls for their shoes the next day.
All right, Dr. Goldberg, stand by this moment.
We'll be right back to you.
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Dr. Goldberg, question for you about dreams.
How is one to delineate, or can you?
Between a dream that involves something, some sort of precognition, or some viewing of something that occurred in the present or past, and absolute random firing of synapses that result in some sort of weird story that scares you or makes you happy, in other words, a ridiculous made-up Okay, well first, one of the keys that I use is naturally the history of you having these.
If you have a dream, or let's just say a content dream, that is repetitive, that you're getting over and over again, that is by all definition, even my harshest antagonists and critics will admit, that's the subconscious mind trying to tell you something.
Now you're looking at the accuracy of it.
Obviously, if you have a history of these that are repeated and they come true, well, you've got a good ratio.
If it's just a one-shot deal, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Let me show you a scientist who actually did this to show you how.
We'll talk about remote viewing.
One of the biggest names in remote viewing is Russell Targ.
He used to be at SRI.
Russell Targ in the early 80s, he wrote a book called The Mind Race with Keith Harry about his work up there.
What he did was when he left SRI, because he didn't like the government getting their hands on the Department of Defense, mostly, and controlling the projects, mostly for negative uses, of course.
They were trying to train CIA agents to go into remote view into Moscow and pick up the secrets from behind closed doors there.
Well, what he found out was that after he left there, he used this technique himself, and this was written up in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
He did the remote viewing to go into the future.
This is a time concept again.
And he found out silver futures results.
He won $100,000 or made $100,000 on silver futures on a way very different than the way Hillary Clinton did with ticker futures.
Now you're talking!
But he did it.
It was reported about 1986 or 87 in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
It was fully documented.
Really?
Yeah, really.
Absolutely.
It's absolutely fact.
And so therefore, this confirms a couple things.
One is that he used the technique, obviously, to materially benefit, but to also show how accurate it was.
Plus, he also shows here how remote viewing can give you a pre-cognitive or future information.
Have you tried it?
Oh, of course.
Remote viewing?
Well, see, remote viewing...
I call it progression, you see.
It's really the same thing.
Oh, well, it rolls by any other name.
My question was, are you able to do it?
Oh, sure.
In fact, as a matter of fact, I'll give you one of the best examples of it that I did.
In 1990, it was around Christmas time of 1990, and I did one of my age progressions going into the future of this current life on my current frequency, which we'll discuss a little later.
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Or something. Give me a Erector Scale past which there will not be a quake.
Okay, I'm going by what my patients tell me.
Now, I don't ask my patients to erect their reading.
This is what they're saying and this is what I'm saying here.
I'm saying that there will be no earthquakes of a greater magnitude than 7.0 in California in a populated area that will cause property damage and death.
As you're hearing by everybody else in the room.
Until the year 2050.
Well, that's what my patients are telling me.
The big earthquakes that occur, and then this is only on one parallel universe, of which there are different options, so we can change that too, is the year 2050.
Earthquakes that hit Los Angeles and San Francisco, and by the way, New York also, in the year 2050.
This is what I report as past my future lives.
This is what patients have told me.
I don't psychically read those.
They are what people have told me.
I don't see those.
That's what patients have reported to me.
Fair enough.
Uh, fair enough.
And we will so record that, uh, kind of group, I guess that's a group prediction, isn't it?
Well, let's call it, it's a, it's a statement that is made by several different sources, actually hundreds of them, over the last 18 years, of people who do not know each other, or have had, or do have any contact with each other now.
Hmm.
So this will be called corroboration.
Um, well, that is what we call it, that's right.
Alright, let's take a couple calls, shall we?
Sure.
Alright, east of the Rockies, uh, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg, aye?
Yep.
Where are you calling from, sir?
Uh, this is Mike.
Hi, Mike.
Yes.
Hi Mike.
Hi.
I was wondering with these future progressions and so forth, is this an effective way to
maybe garner some technology in the future and bring it back?
Well, actually it is, because most scientific discoveries, if you look at them, have really
come from three levels, and people have used this.
Edison used it, da Vinci used it, you name it.
Einstein did it too, with his mentality, with the theory of relativity.
So yes, you can do that, and with all the online cyber-maniacs and everything else going
on. People can look upon the 21st century, 22nd century, etc.
and beyond, or even going ahead to 20 or 30 years, and actually pick out technology in their respective fields if they want, and use it.
I have no problem with that.
People have done it.
All right.
Well, I have done it.
Now, let me tell you what I've done, Doctor.
It's very interesting.
I'm an electronic nut.
I've enjoyed electronics all my life.
Became a ham at 12 years old.
And I have been fixing electronic gadgets.
All my life.
And I'm a madman when it comes to it.
In other words, I either fix it or break it beyond any possibility of repair.
Okay.
And I'm that kind of madman.
I keep going at it until I get it.
That's a compulsion for you.
That's right, that's right.
And many times I've worked on something and worked on it, worked on it, spent the whole day on it.
I'm pounding on walls, hitting my head on the wall and going nuts.
And I finally give up and I say, damn it, that's it and go to bed.
And the next morning, this has happened many times, I wake up And I know what it is.
I know exactly what was wrong, and I go straight to it and fix it.
Now, you're doing exactly what Thomas Edison did.
There's an old story about Thomas Edison that's been corroborated many times.
What he did was he knew right before falling asleep he'd have his greatest insights, but of course he'd fall asleep and not remember them.
So what he would do, he would lie on his couch in his house in New York somewhere, and he
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have a metal plate placed right just under where his hands were.
When he was just about to fall asleep, he dropped the metal balls into the pan, wake
himself up, take that brilliant idea, and invent the light bulb.
That's a true story.
He did that with the motion picture camera and projector.
He did it with light bulb.
He did it with dozens and dozens of other kinds of things.
So right before going to sleep, into your dreamland level, so to speak, you have your
most profound intuitiveness, your most profound scientific predictors.
And clearly, this is really progress, what you're doing now.
Well, if he had known Dr. Goldberg, then, could you have put him in an alpha state during wakefulness, and maybe, uh, today we'd have a better light bulb?
And we'd have the exact, uh, uh, the, uh, the exact liberation of Pupil JFK.
Okay, Dr. Goldberg, stay right where you are.
9-1.
The faxes are just pouring in on this earthquake business.
Yes, I know, folks.
We all heard it from various sources.
And, uh, it is odd.
Here's, here's just, I'll give you a sample.
Art, regarding the mystery earthquake the other night, I, too, was very curious.
I, too, heard the report of a magnitude 8.5.
So, got into the Internet, uh, to the usual Art Bell Listener websites, and gave me, and here is the following, uh, from USGS.
And it is not recorded here, and he goes on, either there is a strange cover-up going on, can't figure out why, or possibly Reuters and everyone relying on them, like ABC, made a typo of the magnitude, and or are trying to ignore it, and hoping nobody notices.
So yet, we don't know whether it was misreported, or reported accurately, and is simply being shut up right now.
We have no idea!
And, uh, this is not normally the case with earthquakes, so who knows?
Uh, back to Dr. Goldberg.
Are you there, Doctor?
I'm here.
I'm not in the Sacoan Islands.
I have made it.
I'm here.
All right.
They're lined up like crazy to talk to you, so let us do it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Yes, sir.
My name is David, and I'm calling from Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
Yes, sir.
I'd like to ask Mr. Goldberg a question.
Sure, David.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Do you foresee any earthquakes in, like, the Tennessee area?
You understand, I don't see earthquakes.
My patients report me the materials.
I don't have, from my materials and from my progressions with patients, Tennessee has never come up with earthquakes at all.
Okay.
The East Coast, the only thing that I have heard has been, interestingly, New York.
And that's not going to be for 55 years.
But you're okay.
Okay.
You may also get a football team, too.
You're okay.
Oh, yeah.
That's okay.
In Nashville, I think it is.
Yeah.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Hello.
This is Fritz from Phoenix.
Hi, Fritz.
I'm a firm believer in regression.
There's a lot of evidence.
There's no question about it.
But the phenomena of hypnotic progression, which is breaking through so strongly the last ten years.
Dr. Goldberg, come up with a headliner for the next six months.
Oh, that's good.
Let me give you something that I reported in past five feature lines.
There's a newscaster who is now at ABC New York.
Who was in WBAL in Baltimore years ago, in the 80s, and he read out news items that would go on.
He did a noon talk show, which was the first half of a news show, and he read off news items a week before they occurred, and he read off nine of them, and these were items that were not major national items.
These were like a small plane crash, a fire in the city, a car accident at a certain part of the Beltway, as they call it in the Baltimore area, and six of those nine came true.
He even got the name of the person who was killed in the fire.
Why don't you send something in to the, uh, PremLine Show, and we'll keep track of it.
Let me show you the problem here, you know.
I'm answering this a lot, you can imagine.
Every time I do this, I get people calling me with, uh, you know, I'm going to Santa Anita, you know?
Well, can I have a gold stock or something?
Here's the problem.
Number one is that when people report that, yes, I don't doubt the accuracy, but the problem here, and this is where we have to spend a few moments on this, there are some things called parallel universes.
If you get, for example, the proverbial lottery number, and you're on frequency number one, and there are five major frequencies, but there's an infinite number mathematically, but to keep it simple, let's just consider them as five, and you get the lottery number on frequency number two, but you're on frequency number one, it ain't gonna happen.
Does it mean it's not right?
It means that it's not right in the parallel universe in which you're in.
The universal law, the karmic law, states that you can't cheat the system.
If you're supposed to know something, you'll know it.
If you go to use it for strictly capitalistic or materialistic gain, and you're not supposed to, you're looking for the easy way out, it's not going to happen, because then you wouldn't grow karmically.
Then why be on the earth plane?
All right, then let's keep it out of the capitalistic, materialistic realm for a second and stay with Fritz's question.
Okay.
In other words, give us a good headline In the next six months, a year, somewhere in there.
I don't do that.
When you asked earlier, Linda, how about no private research with out-of-body, remote viewing, as they call it.
I don't do research.
I do clinical things when a patient of mine tells me, Doctor, and I'm really concerned about whether she's going to meet Mr. Right, or whether she's going to get fired from her job, or whether her kid's going to get tuberculosis.
That's what I do in progressions.
I don't say, oh, by the way, can we forget about your personal problems while you come home?
No, I understand.
Let's read off what's going to happen at the L.A.
Times next week.
I don't do that.
That makes sense.
Yeah, you're helping people at a personal level.
I'm a clinician, not a researcher.
I understand.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
How you doing?
All right.
This is Diane from Oceanside, California.
Hello, Diane.
Hi, Diane.
Hi, Bruce.
How are you?
Fine.
Yes.
I am a prophetess, and I am very prophetic.
I'm in the L.A.
Times, San Diego Union, USA Today, and the Blade Citizen.
I saw Dr. Goldberg in March of this year, and he is an excellent doctor.
He is excellent.
Uh, he told, when he did the past life regression on me, it showed that I was a high priestess back in the Egyptian days.
Oh, I remember that, yes, yes.
Yes, and that also I was a singer, a lawyer, and also a judge.
You may have known Art, he was the electronic expert.
He was the one who caused the blow-up the last time it went down, but that's beside the point.
Absolutely.
I just went up to Washington D.C.
here recently and was at United Nations Conference.
I'm also known as a visionary, and we had some speakers up there, you know, FDR, they spoke about FDR, and of course, Eleanor Roosevelt, and FDR was clairvoyant.
And I saw several things as speakers were speaking there.
Did you have a question there?
I beg your pardon?
Did you have a question there?
No, I just wanted to tell Art that I had seen you and that there are definitely parallel universes.
I do use your tapes, Doctor.
And, uh, the ones for relaxation and also for, you know, going into a trance, I do that.
The Super Conscious Mind is the main one, right?
I beg your pardon?
The Super Conscious Mind tape.
Yes.
Alright, thank you very much.
We appreciate your call.
And, uh, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Is that Diane Feinstein?
No, no, no.
Oh, who is that?
Well, no, we protect the last names.
What can we do for you?
Okay, first I want to make a comment on the quake.
I looked it up in my Rand McNally and Sakhalin Island is located at the northern tip of Japan.
Yes, we know where it is.
Yeah, well, like Kobe, that sounds like a good place to have, you know, where the earthquake would be.
It doesn't sound unusual.
But I was just thinking maybe the Russians have a... Okay, do you have a question?
Or maybe this is unimportant.
Do you have a question?
Okay, my question.
Um, Dr. Goldberg, everyone talks about the devastating New Madrid quake.
Could you give us your prediction on that one?
No, alright, thank you.
You don't predict, do you?
No.
Not that kind of prediction.
I can predict this call has ended, though.
Yeah, that's right.
Her question went to absolute naught, and she's obviously not been listening, or she would know that you were not doing those kinds of predictions.
Uh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Bonnie from Clear Lake.
Hello, Bonnie.
I happen to think that Brad Steiger and Gordon Michael Skellion are blessed, and I think that Mr. Goldberg is a charlatan.
That's Dr. Goldberg.
Have him on again.
Dr. Goldberg.
Well, Bonnie, I appreciate your response, but again, everybody's entitled to their opinion.
I think in five years you'll find out who's right.
Simple as that.
Yeah, but you're taking the voice of some patient.
I'm taking the voice of a patient.
I'm taking the voice of a patient That's not exactly a fact-based challenge.
There's a principle in science that has fairly recently been brought to light, and, Dr., forgive me, I can't think
of the term that it's used for.
You'll probably recognize what I'm talking about.
It's when the examiner or the scientist affects the results just somehow by his presence or …
Yeah, that's quantum physics.
Quantum physics, of course.
Quantum physics or quantum mechanics is what we say, that there is no …
We can't test things the way we'd really like to because your consciousness actually affects the results,
even if you don't observe something, it doesn't exist, is what it says.
There you go.
So, when you're sitting there with your patient and you're getting information from them, you are also involved in that information, right?
Very profound, very accurate, very profound statement.
Exactly.
And there's no way to really know how to separate and purify which is which.
Well, of course not.
This is why, you know, I appreciate Art, who is a good friend and really is one of the best interviews I've ever had on.
I'll tell you right now, I love you dearly.
But at the same time, when you ask those questions, I have to simplify this for the average audience out there.
I'm not dealing with an engineering or quantum physics convention, where I would speak very differently.
But here, I have to try to get to the mass public who doesn't have the same background That I have, or maybe even you have, if you've done the reading here.
And so I can't speak always in the form of the quantum foam and the black holes and the white holes and all these little things.
You know, you can't do that.
All right, but let me follow up.
Make it simple for the audience, as you just suggested.
There was a study, Dr. Goldberger, about clinicians who interviewed young children about sexual abuse.
Right.
And it was absolutely remarkable regarding Um, the injection of the interviewer's questions and thoughts and ideas in formulating the responses they got.
That is what we're talking about.
Well, you're talking about like a false memory syndrome.
Well, that's exactly right, and it relates to what we're talking about.
That's like leading the witness in court.
What I'm saying is that, for example, you and I, since you're an electronic expert, or aficionado, and I'm sure your listeners will relate to this, let's say you were doing a friction physics experiment, and you were just watching it.
Now, somebody else was doing the experiment, and you were sitting in a chair 15 feet away from it, where you could have no effect on all the dials, whatever's going on, the variables.
You're just watching it.
If you turn your head away and don't watch the experiment, somebody else does, your reality is different.
Your not looking at that experiment means you haven't observed it.
In reality, that experiment didn't happen.
That's what quantum physics says.
Actually, it proved it mathematically.
You have to observe it for it to be a researchation, but in reality, in your mind, you have not created that reality, and you have created... There is a voice... Yeah, but there's a delay.
We must delineate between the physical sciences and the kind of science you are talking about.
This is a physical science.
Quantum physics is a proven hard science, just as electronics is, just as physics and just as medicine... Yes, but I was relating the possibility of false memory syndrome into it, or the injection.
Um, we're going to have to hold this until we get back.
It's a very interesting path to follow, as a matter of fact.
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Doctor, we kind of left off at the top of the hour in the middle of this.
In other words, I was asking, and so in a way was the caller, Um, whether or not, as a clinician, you in effect, at times, consciously or even unconsciously, and I'm sure you've mulled this over, lead a patient
Well, I can speak for myself.
And in fact, you know, when I tape, I do a lot of, as you know, television interviews and radio interviews where I do live regressions on the air and live on tape on television.
And what I do is, and I love doing that because it shows that it's like, you know, it's like being in court in a way.
I do not ask leading questions.
In fact, I will say, where are you?
What do you perceive?
I don't say you're in 1820 in an English carriage right now, aren't you?
That's leading.
I simply say, where are you?
What's going on?
What do you see?
What do you perceive?
What's happening?
And I just ask them the questions and they give me the answers.
So in reality now, am I thinking, am I tuning into them psychically?
I'll tell you right now, no, because I never get any visions or any intimations what a patient is going to tell me.
Patients very often will read my mind.
In fact, that's Telepathy is one of the characteristics of a medium level
hypnotic trance.
I can tell you right now I do not see auras.
I don't have a silver veil over my eyes.
I don't have any experience other than strictly clinical, just asking the questions and of
course doing what we call the super conscious mind tap where I am training them to access
their own higher self.
Because the purpose of what I am doing here is really empowerment.
That's why I dislike a lot of the other approaches that are very co-dependently oriented.
Here, what I'm doing is training the patient to be totally independent of me in the shortest amount of time, and to go on with their lives, and actually to create and maximize their own destiny in the shortest period of time.
You say you can do that.
You've done that on television, right?
Oh, yes, as a matter of fact.
You can do it on radio also?
Well, yeah, but you have to be in the same room.
I can't do it on the telephone.
I have to be in the same studio with someone.
You know, I couldn't let myself do that.
Well, you see, I tell you, actually, you could.
No, I couldn't.
If I work with you, if I was in the same room with you, if I was, like, if I was in Pahrump, or if I was in wherever you're doing this studio now, if we were in the same room together, I'll tell you what I'll do.
I'll tell you something that I will do.
I will, this is like, think of it as a Christmas present.
I will send out in tomorrow's mail a cassette album that I have with all my tapes with regression,
progression, out of body experience, soul plane ascension, age regression, etc.
I will send you a complete series of the tapes which you can use yourself in the privacy
of your own home.
You can use it on one of your fancy radios that you advertise.
Now that I might be able to do.
Seriously, you can do it by yourself and then you can have your own experience with anybody
watching you.
There is no performance pressure.
You can do it and whatever you consider to be quiet and you can do it.
In fact, the number of the universe is 1-800-KARMA-4U.
Okay, well that is your plug.
What do people get your tapes and stuff at that number?
What they will do is if they call 1-800-KARMA-4U or 1-800-527-6248, I will be happy to send
them an information which will describe all the tapes.
Your listeners, I will send a free self-hypnosis exercise, a little pamphlet, which will be trained to guide them into their own hypnotic experience, and they can have their own level of relaxation that we talked about earlier.
And, of course, I'll send them information about the tapes, the past lives, future lives, the original book, and the search for great new book about it.
All right.
I've got some karma for you.
All right.
All right?
Okay.
This is from Rob.
Art, I'm a longtime fan.
You've had several of my friends as guests on your show.
I spoke with Dr. Goldberg on the phone about one or one and a half years ago, made an offhand remark that his work sounded very much like that done by my friend Chet Snow.
Dr. Goldberg flipped out, big time, said Chet was, I'm not even going to repeat it here, and did not have a doctorate degree, blah blah, then hung up on me.
You remember that?
Well, I don't recall the person himself, and I do not hang up on people, but I do recall I've had a number of calls over the years.
Again, probably, you know, maybe a hundred of them in reference to Chesno.
And when people ask me, they seem to be offended or taken aback when they, if they're a fan of his, When I tell them something, I was told this when... I didn't know this until last year.
Last year at this time, on December 2nd of last year, I was on the other side.
NBC called me to do the show, The Other Side, which is now defunct.
And the producer of the show, a very nice gentleman, really, really knew this field and knew my career very well.
He read Pathway to Joliet in detail because he was quoting line and verse.
And he told me that he was associated with the Association of Pathways Research and Therapy, which Chet Mill was an officer in.
I think he was former president.
And he said, did you know that we were going to have Chet on the show, but we had you instead?
And I said, well, that's fine, you know, it doesn't matter, but Chet was in Paris at the time.
And he said that, well, the reason why we didn't want to have Mon is because of his credentials.
And I said, what do you mean?
First time callers, call area 702-727-1222.
And I checked it out, because, you know, the producer's a nice man, but I want to make sure it's exact.
You're feuding with him.
Well, it's not that I'm feuding with him.
It's just two things.
The two problems I have with him.
Number one is I do not like people giving false credentials.
I think it's a real problem.
If you have a real degree, fine.
If you don't, don't say you do.
Number two, in his book, I have a lot of problems with the book definitely and the work in the sense that He never mentions the parallel universes in the book, and his book is very gloom and doom.
It would make a lot of very cynical people very happy.
But he also, if you read his book very carefully, you'll find out that Chet Snow is the person who brings the Christ entity as an extraterrestrial in the 21st century, in his next life.
And I've got a real problem with that.
I really do.
This is something I've got a real problem with.
Whether it's in your field, or if it's in ufology, or it's in parapsychology, or wherever it is, there's a lot of feuding going on out there, and a lot of jealousies, and a lot of people who are upset with each other, and regard each other in ufology, for example.
The ultimate smash is when you're finally unhappy with somebody.
Well, he's a CIA agent.
Yeah.
Inevitably, people will say that.
Alright.
So, why is there so much feuding going on out there over this kind of thing?
Well, it's a question of... I don't remember... This is why... I don't remember the quote because I get hunted for quotes.
Well, it doesn't matter.
It seems generally true based on what you said.
The problem I have with his work is that his work is based upon a...
I would say it's a false hypothesis.
The way he presents it, if you read his book, the way he presents it is one, no choices other than his one option.
He puts himself in the research, which is the worst thing a scientist should ever do.
In fact, if you do that, you're not a scientist.
It would be like me trying to be involved with a patient personally.
Right, you're back on Dr. Snow.
I asked you a more general question.
About feuding you mean?
Yeah, that's right.
Well, you're always going to get a difference of opinion.
For example, I disagree with the statements that are made by, for example, Scalia and some of the other psychics.
I'm a First Amendment activist.
They can say what they want to.
What I'm just saying is that I'm taking the risk because I'm risking my reputation by saying that you're going to find in the parallel universe that you and I are on, that their prediction in reference to the Armageddon mentality, whatever combination you want, It's simply not going to happen.
What I'm simply saying is that wait five years and you'll see who's right.
But the reason you'll have differences of opinion is because if you have differences of opinion in any field, the problem is not the difference of opinion.
Actually, that makes our intelligence and our society.
What the problem is, is that if a person's opinion or the way he presents him or her work is based upon either a false hypothesis or is based on an unscientific approach, Then I'm going to definitely have problems, because I'm a scientist, and there's a big difference between a psychic that doesn't have to follow scientific discipline, whereas a scientist does, and there's a big difference there.
But if a colleague of mine, who is supposedly a scientist, does things that are very unscientific, then I have a problem.
All right, let's hold it there for a moment, and let me move on to another question.
This is by Fax from Red in Santa Rosa.
I'm sorry, St.
Rose in Los Angeles, I guess.
The question is, How do you feel about UFOs?
What are they?
Are they real?
If so, where do they come from?
Okay, well, as a matter of fact, I have a lot of work done with UFOs, and do I feel they're real?
Absolutely!
In fact, in past lives, future lives, I report UFO experiences in both past and future lives.
As far as the explanations of them, one of the things that I find very interesting, and
right now I can't prove it, but I'm a great follower, if you will, or believer, if you
will, of the work of Fred Allen Wolfe, who's a quantum physicist.
What he says, and he puts this in his book Parallel Universes, which is an excellent
book, it's a Prentice Hall book, 1988, is that the reason why we have so many problems
documenting the UFOs is again, of course, the presence of the observer phenomenon, but
also he feels that, and I agree with him, it's a possibility, that if the UFOs are in
a parallel universe, you see, and then they come into our, they cross over the space-time
continuum, if you will, they enter into our parallel universe, then if we have one of
our little jets up there chasing them at 900 miles an hour, and then all of a sudden they
disappear on the spot of a dime, which is physically impossible by all laws, maybe they're
going into a time warp into a parallel universe.
Which is why we can't follow them.
And I very much agree with that.
But getting back onto the aspect of UFOs.
Are they UFOs?
Well, I have tons of cases.
I've got about 75 major abduction cases.
If you just deal with abductions.
If you deal with UFO sightings or just cases from past or future lives, I have thousands of them in my files.
And these are from very credible patients.
So I am, if anything, you can chalk me up on the plus column for UFOs.
All right, very interesting.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Yeah, hi, Art.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Wichita, Kansas.
Wichita, Kansas.
Oh, out there in the middle of the country.
All right, go ahead.
Yeah, hi, Dr. Goldberg.
Hi, I hope you weren't the past life of Wyatt Birch.
Uh, no, I don't believe so.
But he lived in Wichita.
Go ahead.
Yeah, he originally did, yeah.
Uh, very interesting, uh, hypothesis on this parallel universe.
I don't quite understand though how we can speak with someone or communicate with someone in a parallel universe if this is a linear type progression of the subatomic particles and the way they're branching off.
Well, it's a good question because remember now, let me explain something.
Parallel universes were discovered in Princeton University in 1957 by a man named Hugh Everett III who was working on his doctorate in quantum mechanics, which is what people call quantum physics.
Right.
What it says is that, you know the term matter-antimatter?
Yeah.
That term really means that if you have a chair in parallel universe number one, and of course it would have an equivalent chair in parallel universe number two, if those two ever touched each other, you'd have kaboom.
You'd have an explosion.
So you obviously can't touch physically each other because you'd explode it.
You'd cause a demolition of it.
You can get images, or you can have like, think of it like a television signal, like this monitor, like what Art was describing with Scallion's three monitors in front of him, that kind of thing.
If you're getting, you can get information, you can get alpha waves, or electromagnetic radiation, which is what our soul is, and what a television signal and radio signal is, you can get that without, that's not going to cause an explosion, so you can get information from parallel universes, what you can't do is take a souvenir back.
Right, well my question I guess is, The parallel universe theory, the way I understand it, says that there is an infinite number of realities.
In other words, an infinite number of universes.
Therefore, how could a person in this reality possibly know or communicate with the infinite? Well, he
doesn't have to. For example, when I do progressions I obviously agree with the infinite mentality,
but I just can't have a patient say, keep on coming back for the next 10,000 years so we can lay
out all your frequencies. Because when people come to my office from before, what they'll do is
they'll lay out, I'll ask them, I'll guide them into the progressions and they'll lay out
their options and then they'll choose their ideal future, therefore custom design their own
reality. That earlier call from Diane from MotionSite was an example. That's what she did earlier this
year. But what I'm saying is that what I have found out is that although there's an infinite
number, there seem to be five major Each category has millions and millions of subsidiaries to it, but you don't have to deal with them.
All you have to deal with is the major categories, and then they can choose either 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.
So I just try to keep it simple.
All right.
Doctor, hold it right there.
We'll be right back to you.
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Yes, I'm here.
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Where are you calling from, please?
I'm calling from Vancouver, Washington.
My friend's gonna turn down the radio right now.
All right, that's good.
Pardon me, I'm getting over-called here.
About the earthquake, going back to that, I called... I can't believe nobody thought of this.
I called the little TV station here, Channel 8, And I asked them if they had any information about the earthquake.
I hadn't heard anything.
They told me that the Japanese Geological Survey people said it was a 5.8.
Oh, a reverse of the 8.5.
That's right.
Well, that's sure in the way it broke, and I could give you six examples of major U.S.
press that got it as 8.5.
Maybe we could do some remote viewing on dyslexia.
Yeah.
That'd be very interesting.
Yeah, and for Dr. Goldberg here, I'm surprised, I have to say this, I'm surprised as a scientist.
I do follow Gordon Michael Scali, of course, and I've listened to Art Belcher for a while, That you were talking about Gordon Michael and his predictions, but you have never researched his stuff.
I guess you don't know then that he does talk about various dimensions.
He even goes up to seven dimensions.
And I think it was two or three months ago in his Earth Changes Report magazine, he discusses the different dimensions and the way they will change in the future.
What I was referring to was, on July 15th of 1994, he was on Encounters.
What he was talking about was, of course, the map, of course, the famous map was on there, and this map, but his whole mentality was, prepare for the worst, start packing away the canned food, there's not much we can do about it, and it's going to be a major Armageddon before the year 2000.
It was mentioned as a soundbite over and over again during his interview.
And that was seen by, you know, well, it's Fox, but it was seen by probably 10, 15 million people, which is a lot more than his readership in his newsletters.
And that was my concern because that also coincided with the ancient prophecies and the NBC stuff and some of the other stuff that has been gloom and doom oriented over and over again.
You know, every time one of those shows air, I get the calls, you know, because people know that I'm the positive one here.
And I get the calls of people going through almost major depression and anxiety disorders because they're afraid that their life is going to end.
I had a patient, a former patient, who called after seeing one of our shows and was going
to move out of the state because of the airing of the Encounter show.
I have a responsibility to try to say, look, please calm down.
Just like, you know, just sit down a minute.
This is not necessarily going to be the reality.
So what I'm saying is that there doesn't seem to be a counterbalance on the Encounter Show and on the Ancient Prophecy.
They didn't have a counterbalancing aspect.
It was basically gloom and doom and just look at it and suffer and let's see what the ratings are.
They weren't balancing out with people like me on it.
And that's the problem I have with the one side opinion.
It was all negative.
Okay, two things.
What does Armageddon mean?
Well, I'm just referring to the biblical reference of the world ending and whatever the... Of course, I'm not trying to get into the theological aspect of the Antichrist.
I'm not going into all that.
I'm just talking about the major calamities of the geophysical disasters, the earthquakes, the tornadoes, the floods, the major, major geophysical disasters that will significantly impair civilization as we know it.
Well, on the other hand, though, biblically, doctor, it does describe such events prior to the return of...
Right, of course it does, but the point is that even Nostradamus, when he talks about his form of an Armageddon,
even he talks about how going into the year 21, something after a major nuclear war, which of course didn't
happen because it was supposed to begin in 1988, according to Nostradamus,
in May, that it was a very positive, beautiful world,
and the 21st century was beautiful, etc.
Even he said that, which the Bible does too, after the Armageddon, so to speak.
That's what Armageddon means, is rebirth.
But people don't get that. All they get...
This is the cause I get, so you have to be from my perspective.
The cause I get are people who are shaking on the phone, their voices are hoarse, they're looking for their Prozac,
and they're saying, doctor, my life is over.
What am I going to do?
I don't know if I can see you.
You may be the last person on the Earth I say this to.
I mean, when I hear that, I say to myself, I've got a responsibility here.
All right, all right.
One more question, Art, for you.
Very quickly.
Have you heard anything about the recent chamber that they discovered underneath the Sphinx in Egypt?
Oh, I've heard a great deal about it.
All right, thank you very much.
Yes, I have heard.
And, uh, I heard that there was a portion of the chamber that was damaged in the recent earthquake in Egypt, by the way.
That one, uh, there's no argument about the reporting on that one.
Actually, the earthquake was in Israel and damaged a portion of the chamber in Egypt.
That much I know.
Back in a moment, from an area near what's called Dreamland, Area 51.
This is Dreamland.
The coast ain't with us now.
Thanks for watching.
Okay, here again I am.
I want to talk about something that is hard to put your finger on.
I've got a fax here from somebody else who sent me a USGS report that is now reporting
the earthquake originally reported as 8.5, excuse me, 6.4 at a depth of 33 kilometers
in the islands of Kuri, I believe, islands of the former Soviet Union.
So, I've had this now reported at every magnitude under the sun, literally under the sun, and they do indeed report it as 6.4.
So, I have no idea what to believe.
Somebody called a little while ago, I'm sure you heard them, and said 5.8, and thought it was a case of dysphoea.
I have no idea what this is.
You will hear the original reports on the Coast Show that is going to repeat if you get it following this program this morning.
Absolutely incredible.
Nothing short of incredible.
G.M.X.
Hard water?
No problem.
G.M.X.
Report being a pure light being.
Extraterrestrial, by the way.
That's how they originally were trapped in the karmic cycle by sort of like not doing what they were supposed to do.
But it's a very controlled kind of experience.
I describe a chapter of this in Past Lives Future Lives about a white people experience.
But it's a very, very, it's almost like doing a past life regression in a glass bubble.
It's very controlled.
It's centered.
It's a very, very difficult experience for the patient.
Not harmful, just that it's hard to get information.
But it's very extraterrestrial, because this will go back a million to two million B.C., if not before, and some of your listeners out there may have had dreams about that, where they were some sort of light being, so to speak, not communicating with an extraterrestrial who was, but they themselves were, and that would be what we call the light people regressions, which are infrequent but do exist.
All right, try this fact.
Let me read it to you, then you react.
I'd like to ask your guest what his feelings are about the difference between seeing the future and creating it.
It is my experience that when I see the future, there's a great amount of latitude in believing in the foreseen outcome and choosing to change it, if only through our own thoughts.
My personal feelings are that if disasters are to occur, it will be because we have all, in effect, voted for it with our thoughts and emotions for various reasons, You get what you concentrate on.
And he gives a note at the bottom, there is an upcoming ABC program on remote viewing, and I'll have to watch for that.
Very good.
There's also an NBC movie for television on UFOs on Monday night, by the way.
Boy, I'll tell you, that brings another good question, doctor.
Whether it's your field, or ufology or whatever it is, we are being, now I've been
doing this show for years, or a show like it, but we're being all of a sudden inundated.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, of course you know the media mentality is if the talk is keep
doing it until it dies out, but I wrote you in that little fact I sent you earlier that
I did a taping for the Gabrielle National Talk Show, and the topic was angels, and they
had me on because I also am an expert in that, and it will be aired in a couple of weeks
in which I'll be talking about some of my patient cases who had angelic experiences
in dreams, and they actually manifested to, in one case, a woman saved her mother's life
by using the information that her angels gave her.
But going back to the question, which is a very good one, in reality what that person is saying is exactly what I'm saying, as well as what quantum physics says, is that there is no certainty out there.
Your mind does create the reality, the thoughts, Our thoughts are electromagnetic radiation.
That is the wavelength of what we call the soul or spirit.
It's like a TV or radio signal.
That's what electromagnetic radiation is.
And, in fact, as I gave you the example before about the friction experiment, if you don't observe it, it doesn't exist.
That's what we're saying.
So when patients come to see me here in Los Angeles, what I do is I I help them lay out their future alternatives and then they
can choose and be programmed for their ideal options.
So if your life is miserable now and a lot of listeners out there will fit into this
category where there are a lot of things going on in their lives that are not happy, it doesn't
mean that you have to suffer in this space for the rest of this lifetime or for eternity.
You simply have to get your act together by accessing your higher self, perceiving the
other options out there, retraining your mind so that instead of thinking about your cup
being half full or not a drop in it, your cup is overflowing so to speak.
And that's the empowerment and the optimism, and that's why I always go against the gloom and doomers, whether it be in economics and politics or in the metaphysical field, because what they're doing is sending out the energy that says, hey guys, life sucks and then you die, and I've got a real problem with that.
If enough people think life sucks, then you die.
Uh, that could become reality?
To them, but not necessarily for me or anybody else who doesn't buy that routine.
You see, I create my own world and I'm not deluding myself.
David Koresh, down at Mount Carmel.
Did he create his own Armageddon?
Yeah, well, basically he did.
I mean, you know, he sort of, like, went out with a flame, you know what I mean?
But, yeah, you create your own.
I mean, so did Hitler, and so did Florence Nightingale.
I mean, you create her positivity.
You can do whatever you want.
My point here is that what people assume is that, you see, the reason why television is used so much to brainwash people, it's a great, great brainwashing medium, because people will buy whatever you put on television.
If you put it on long enough, if you market it right, it'll sell.
It doesn't matter what it is.
The greatest inventions of society, the greatest technological improvements, every one of them was laughed at.
People would say, get a horse when the car was invented about a hundred and some odd years ago.
Right?
The light bulb was laughed at.
Everything was laughed at until all of a sudden, 20 years later, people say, you know, I don't know how we live without this device.
And the point here is that to be the pioneer in the field, for example you talk about all
the metaphysical things.
18 years ago when I did progressions and I would do TV interviews in 1980, producers
would say, listen doctor, your work is a little weird.
We like you but your work is a little weird.
So you can talk about your regressions but please don't deal with progressions.
You know it's a little bit too, regressions are more difficult than that.
And I would say fine.
I would just ignore them and talk about progressions.
And people seemed to like it at the same time.
Now everybody wants to do progressions now.
That's why NBC called me best year producer.
So why?
Because it hasn't been done before.
I mean at least normally, you know, if I'm clarified, Speech Alive is the first book
ever written on progression therapy.
And basically it's a...
So people, it's something new but it's also empowering and interesting enough, although
I don't think it has the media's orientation to it, but the reason I like this field so
much is not just because it's new and improved, but because it is empowering, it does give
the average person out there, you don't have to be a celebrity, you know, you can be an
average person out there.
All right, all right, Dr. Holden, if there are any number of possible parallel universes,
then when you progress somebody, an individual, you are reading but that individual universe,
Or are you reading something that will be collectively true?
No, it's individual.
Because, for example, let me give you a great case.
It's a case of a woman I met years ago when I was in Baltimore.
She was working for a public relations firm as a secretary.
She was sexually harassed by a boss who gave in to him because he needed the job.
She looked like Adrienne from Rocky 1, you know, mousy looking, and although, you know, so she had weight problems, she was smoking, she had everything in the world.
Now, as it turns out, she goes into the future of this life, by about four or five years, she sees herself buying into a radio station in Florida, looking differently, having a completely empowered life, and she goes, Doctor, this is about the greatest fantasy trip I've ever had, or what's going to happen?
I said, look, it's a reality, let's check it out.
So as it turns out, I don't hear from her.
Six months later, she leaves.
She doesn't call me back.
Her number's disconnected.
I hear from her a year and a half later.
She says, I moved to Florida.
I want to come home for Thanksgiving, and I'd like to see you and just talk to you and update you on my life.
And I said, fine.
She comes into my office.
She looks totally different.
She looks like a model now.
She's a beautiful woman.
She lost weight.
She stopped smoking.
She quit her job.
She did buy into a radio station.
She ran her own public relations firm.
Everything she told me, or just about everything I could think of that was verifiable in her progressions All came true!
Alright, well then maybe in Gordon Michael Scallion's world, California does fall into the ocean.
And people who follow him, this is the problem I have, and people are willing to follow him.
All those people who follow him, they fall in too.
It's just like the Poseidon Effect, when they follow the doctor, they wind up drowned, you know?
Alright, uh, Eve to the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
Hi.
Hey, I have a question for the doctor.
Sure, where are you?
Lubbock.
Lubbock, Texas.
Lubbock, Texas, yes.
Uh, have you ever done a past life regression where the person has been someone in a time of Well, actually, I've done people who, I've done regressions, more New Testament than Old Testament.
I don't know anybody who hung around with Moses or Abraham.
But I do, I do have worked with people who were around and actually some people actually saw Christ crucified.
So the New Testament stories are much more relevant to what people have reported to me in past lives.
Bruce, thank you.
Sure.
Alright, thank you.
Uh, was Christ crucified, uh, in all past lives, Doctor, or just some?
Well, see, this is where we... In reality, see, we don't know the answer to that.
The theoretical basis here is that it's not necessarily every single one.
I know, I'm just trying to... It wasn't killed in every single parallel universe.
Well, that's what I'm trying to do, cause you trouble here.
In other words, if the future is variable, then why is not the past?
The problem with the past being changeable is what quantum physics says, and they prove this by very complicated mathematics equations, is that the more observable the event, as in the media, like everybody covers the Lincoln assassination, as well as McKinley, that you can't change that.
Whereas the future by our definition is not observed, therefore we can change it.
So there are parallel universes in the past too, but because events are observed, and the more observed they are, the less you can change them.
Our first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Hello.
Just turn your radio off.
That is number one.
Get that radio off.
Where you are, you're social security number two now.
That's right.
So where you calling from?
I'm calling from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Okay, good.
Doctor, first of all, I just want to let you know that I've been enjoying the show tonight.
It's incredible.
And I wanted to ask the doctor if you could describe the process as quickly as you could of what goes on between you and the patient.
Sure.
Well, first of all, the process of hypnosis is you can identify driving in your car on the freeway or highway and being in a daydream level where you pass by exits that you have done on routine trips and not realize where you are but not get into an accident.
Then you can relate to what hypnosis is like.
It's a daydream state.
What I do with the patient after I explain what I'm doing first, I get a history from them, what their goals are, and then I describe the techniques that we're going to be using with them, and then I guide them into the initial hypnotic level, then we'll do usually an age regression and past life regression on the first session, and then we'll follow it up with super-conscious mind taps, and then we'll end the therapy with doing progressions into the future of this life, and if the patient is interested, we go into future lives too.
Absolutely.
I just want to make one more quick comment.
I found it very interesting when you were talking a little while ago about how possibly there could be a bias of the scientist to the observable phenomenon relating natural science to social science.
There's a book that I'm reading right now that talks about that exact thing.
It's relating quantum physics to other types of social science in the process of Of testing and how social science theory is such a participatory bias.
I thought that was... Also, don't forget, social sciences, as in behavioral sciences, are really not really scientific because they're not repeatable.
They don't have the same rules that physics and chemistry and medicine and pharmacology do.
But the point is that even if we should take a really ultra-hard-nosed science, like physics and, let's say, biology, if you will, it doesn't mean anything because if I'm not there to watch you dissect a frog when you were in high school, it never happened.
All right, Doctor.
Hold on.
We'll be right back to you.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg is, my guess.
And another number for you is Dr. Goldberg's, his tapes, his information, all the rest of it, 1-800-KARMA for you.
That's an easy number to remember, right, Doctor?
That's right.
He also writes me at 4300 Natoma and at Nancy A. T. O. M. A. Avenue in Woodland Hills, California, 91364.
Okay, but the number is what everybody's gonna remember.
Okay.
It's 1-800-KARMA for you, right?
1-800-527-6248, which is 1-800-KARMA for you.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Where are you calling from, please?
Huh?
Huh?
Where are you calling from, Kurt?
Uh, Wichita.
Wichita.
All right, turn your radio off.
Yes.
All right, go ahead.
Okay, now, I do not dream.
Yes, you do.
Yes, you do.
You dream for three hours a night, or you would be a corpse right now.
What do you mean?
The research in every dream laboratory, everything from UCLA to the mammoth in New York to every
place else shows that every human being if you sleep for 8 hours you may not remember
them.
What he means is he doesn't remember dreams.
You don't remember them, but you go to rest for 3 hours a night.
Well as a child I can remember dreams, but I have not remembered dreams in probably 30
years and I have a hard time going to sleep also.
Right.
Now, insomnia is a big issue, and there is a tape I have which is also on how to very simply, very naturally guide you into very natural sleep, because you have to deal with these.
If you have insomnia, you automatically are very compromised in your emotional and energy cleansing of your day-to-day life.
Insomnia is a real no-no.
So it's very simple to get rid of.
I mean, it is absolutely one of the easiest things I deal with.
Well, once I go to sleep, I can sleep, but like I say, it takes me an hour to go to sleep.
Right, it takes more than 20 minutes.
It takes more than 20 minutes to fall asleep than you have type 1 insomnia.
If you wake up in the middle of the night or every hour and a half to two hours during
the REM cycle, that's called type 2.
If you wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning and you can't get back to sleep, that's the worst
type, that's type 3.
Those are all very negative to your emotional growth.
Boy, I've been all three of those.
Yeah, but you have a weird tendency.
You're violating every rule in the world of biology.
I know.
It'll probably get me.
Wes of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Where are you calling from?
San Diego.
San Diego, all right.
Yes, through your studies, what is the most unusual dreams you have encountered and what
made you get into the field of dreams?
All right.
Well, the most unusual dreams were the light people that I mentioned earlier, the people who were pure light as extraterrestrials and this was their first life on Earth.
They were so restricting and so difficult for the patient that I investigated those a lot further and about 5% of my regressions are light people regressions.
Their dreams themselves simply came up as a subsequent side effect to doing the past life regressions with my patients in the waking state or the hypnotic level.
Only after I started doing it and developed the practice did people start saying, you know doctor, I had this weird dream of me and it looked like I was in a Greek outfit during the Battle of Troy here.
Then I started correlating the dreams, the sneak previews, and then of course doing a lot of reading and research with the pre-cognitive dreams, the out of body experiences, near death experiences, The idea of psychic dreams, if you will, pre-cognitive as
we call them, and the idea of lucid dreaming, which is a whole other topic, too.
That also came up as a result of doing the work.
You really can't do this field and be an expert and not deal with dreams because it's part
of everything.
Any psychotherapist, if they don't deal with dreams in some way, they're just missing the
boat.
East of the Rockies, not a lot of time.
You're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
Hi.
Hi, this is Ruby in Missouri.
I'd like to ask Dr. Goldberg a question.
All right.
Sure.
Just a second ago, you said David Koresh created his own Armageddon, correct?
No, I asked and he confirmed, yes.
Yeah, okay.
My question is, do young children who are severely and profoundly abused create their own child abuse?
Oh, good question.
Because everybody chooses their own positivities and negativities in life.
So yes, those children who were killed by Koresh, and children who are abused by some stepfather or father or uncle or whatever, are definitely choosing that.
That doesn't make it okay for the person to be the perpetrator, but yes, there are no, quote, victims that don't choose that.
My point here is to train people to not accept the victim mentality, and that's called empowerment.
That's absolutely incredible.
Because if you're empowered, you won't choose to be a child who's sexually abused, you'll choose to be a child who grows up in somewhat of a Donna Reed lifestyle, you know?
And not what goes on today, where something like, the predictions are 25% of women under 18 have been sexually molested, which, you know, I have a problem with those figures, but it's a lot.
And it's way too much.
So, the ones that have brought it on themselves?
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
When a 747 goes down, which it hasn't thank God recently, and there are 500 people on board... Every one of them chose to die.
Every single one of them.
you choose the moment of death.
That's an incredible thing to say.
Well, it's also true though.
It's based upon not only my research, but also my colleagues must be able to tell you that too,
is because comically, the rules of karma is that, see, the rules of karma says that you really do have
complete control over your destiny, and that's the only incentive to be a quality citizen
and to empower yourself.
Because if you had no control, then nobody would give a flying coot,
and everybody would just go killing each other and just breaking all kinds of laws
because they wouldn't have to pay for them.
you choose them and have to actually take amends to everything that
You know, we'll have you back again, and we sure have ended it at a fascinating point.
Doctor, thank you.
My pleasure.
Good night.
and our civil day check.
All right, fascinating.
Doctor, we're out of time.
I'm sorry, it has been wonderful.
You know, we'll have you back again, and we sure have ended it at a fascinating point.
Doctor, thank you.
My pleasure, doc.
Good night.
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