Jim Marrs and Dr. Bruce Goldberg discuss remote viewing’s verified accuracy, including SRI International’s $100K Wall Street Journal-traded predictions (1986–87) and Pat Price’s prescient location descriptions. Goldberg, a clinical practitioner, dismisses psychic exploitation but confirms past-life regressions—like a patient witnessing Christ’s crucifixion—align with parallel universe theories, where electromagnetic "progression" predicts events without physical contact. While skeptics call him a charlatan, he insists scientific validation will emerge within five years, framing his work as empowering rather than doomsday-focused, contrasting with figures like Scallion. Ultimately, the episode blurs the line between fringe science and spiritual possibility, suggesting humanity’s untapped mental potential may hold keys to both history and future realities. [Automatically generated summary]
Well this also then gets into the area of UFOs which is a common subject on Dreamland and you have now interviewed probably as many or more remote viewers as anyone.
What is one of the comments from remote viewers about UFOs?
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Well it's interesting because there is even controversy within the remote viewers about UFOs but what's most fascinating is that none of them say that there's no such animal.
They all agree that they have had the experience of seeing in their mind's eye a UFO, their inhabitants, sometimes where they're coming from, sometimes where they're going to.
The controversy is over.
Some of them think that this should be a prime area of study and others think that this is just kind of a side issue and that we should use remote viewing for more for things that would help benefit the people here on Earth.
And yet if we have outside here, and there's so many other eyewitnesses that come into this issue of another intelligence interacting with the planet, if the government of the United States and Army intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency have used remote viewing to access things both past and current,
armaments, perhaps even looking for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, what have remote viewers seen or ascertained about what's in these objects that we call UFOs?
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Well, the first thing to understand is that we're not talking about little green men from Mars.
We're talking about many races and many different species of beings that they see out there in the universe, most of which have little or nothing to do with the Earth.
There's only a handful of races who come to the Earth and apparently with different motives.
That's one of the things they discovered while working at SRI with this phenomenon.
They were doing experiments where they would send out a team of people who would have computer-generated locations in sealed envelopes.
And when they got out a certain distance, they would open the envelope and go to this location.
Meanwhile, back at the laboratory, a remote viewer would, at a certain time, try to see if he could envision where these people were.
And they had some tremendous success with this particular experiment.
They had a fellow named Pat Price, who was a former police inspector, and he apparently had some very fine human psychic ability.
And what they suddenly discovered was, on one particular occasion, was that Pat Price gave them a very definite, clear description of the location 20 minutes before the people arrived there.
So they began to realize, did some other experimentation, and concluded that this remote viewing ability is not necessarily limited by time.
There are several other examples I could give to you, but that was one of the things they determined.
Yeah, would it be called more properly psychic warfare, which implies an ability to do damage or psychic sight or maybe psychic spying?
In other words, is there the ability with the power of the mind to affect others one way or the other?
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This was one of the things they were very concerned about, and there may be other programs using other methodology.
For instance, ELF low, you know, extremely low frequency, maybe even MK Ultra-type mind control things that would impinge on that.
But the remote viewers that I have talked to, the sci-spies, have said that over a period of time they came to realize that apparently you cannot physically do anything to anybody.
Yes, one other thing to show what a hard science in a way this is, Ingo Swann, one of the pioneers and stars of the government's program, remote viewed the planet Jupiter approximately six years before we had the Voyager pass by.
Out of that actual scientific experimentation, they did learn something that Ingo Swan had in his notebooks in which I've seen with my own eyes, that there was a small ring of debris around the planet Jupiter and that there were various things he commented about the electromagnetic fields of Jupiter and other things in the clouds that they did discover six years later.
And it is those, it is that kind of combination of being able to verify after remote viewing, which continues to put it into the area of a harder science rather than something that is speculative.
Can either one of you answer that might yield documentation?
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Unfortunately, there's none that I know of, and this is something that definitely needs to be done.
This is a very labor-intensive type operation.
To make it work and to increase the accuracy of the remote viewing, you need to target maybe a dozen remote viewers against one target.
And then you synthesize the information, find the threads of commonality, and the accuracy of what they're seeing increases and pushes upwards close to the 100% accuracy.
But to do this requires trained people using methodology with lots of time, a concerted program, and that requires money.
And the military and the CIA, of course, keep their experiments to themselves.
And the government and most standard traditional scientists would say, oh, well, this doesn't work anyway.
I don't know anything privately in this area, but Jim says that as of the spring of this year, he knew that there were funded remote viewing exercises going on in the government.
The 800 toll-free number for information About my work is 800-707-9993.
That's 800-707-9993.
And you can write to me at Linda Howe Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania, zip code 19006.
I'm interested in anybody's information out there, whether it's in government remote viewing.
People can talk to me off the record or eyewitness encounters with some of the phenomena we discuss on Dreamland.
And my fax number is area code 215-491-9842.
That's 215-491-9842.
And in the coming year, as Jim's books come out, Art, I think it would be very interesting to look at remote viewing and some other areas he's going to deal with, the phenomena related to UFOs.
I just got a fact from Dean in Kauai, and I'll read it to you, Verbeta, Maloha, Art.
Just wanted to let you know, I've heard nothing about the 8.5 reported quake on Friday night, Saturday morning.
Now, I heard it via the ABC News feed, yet when I called their office in New York, they denied making the report.
I did hear it.
So did many others.
What was it?
Any clues?
No, Dean, I've got, and I saved on purpose, the Reuters report that I got.
You'll hear it on the show following this one as it came in from so many people.
It is the oddest earthquake sort of, you know, you don't want to use the word cover-up, but I'm telling you all right now, something very weird occurred with the report of this quake.
Incidentally, I did hear it after finishing the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
I heard it on the Associated Press as well.
So I've got it from at least four, three or four major news sources.
And I've got it from all of you who, you know, heard it on so many sources.
So I don't know what the deal is.
I'm just a talk show host.
I take reports.
I've got news sources.
And I've got all of you.
So something occurred, and something's going on that they're not telling us about.
I don't know what it is.
When we come back, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
We all know that information.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who is a dentist, a hypnotherapist, an author, a parapsychologist.
He has written a book called A Search for Grace.
It was turned into a TV movie.
I know a lot of you may have seen it.
A very well-documented case of murder and reincarnation.
Dr. Goldberg has a very wide, wide expanse of experience in these areas.
And so let us go to Dr. Goldberg now, who is located.
We can all do a remote viewing to last Friday night and see what happened.
I don't know what's going on with that either, because you told me that earlier this evening.
I hadn't heard of it, but then again, I'm not a newshound.
But maybe you could do a new book called The Art of Expose.
Yeah, no kidding.
But I would like to make a couple of comments about remote viewing, about your previous guest, Jim.
He's quite correct, by the way.
Remote viewing, which has really replaced the term of actual projection that was used in the 70s.
What it really means is a more scientific way of doing an out-of-body experience under laboratory-controlled circumstances.
And yes, I'm familiar with the research, the work of Russell Targ at SRI, what he used to be at SRI anyway, with Keith Harry and a few others.
Yes, you do do a form of time travel.
Yes, you can go backwards and forwards in time because what you're doing is an out-of-body experience.
And I think your listeners are more familiar with the concept of near-death experiences, which is a form of an out-of-body experience.
The difference with this, of course, is remotely, you don't have to be in your clinical desk to have it happen.
But in near-death experience work, the work of Ray Moody, as well as more so Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, shows that people do have precognitive experiences, which have been very documented as a result of these near-death experiences or out-of-body experiences.
But not only that, but I'm also commenting on him that he's correct about the research, that remote viewing isn't just going from point A to point B now currently, but it also can go back and forward in time.
And it would not be inconceivable to review the Kennedy assassination or the Lincoln assassination.
Well, you know, in 1978, the House Committee on Assassinations conceded it was a conspiracy.
They just locked it as is.
But they did acknowledge, you know, 17 years ago that it was more than one shooter, if you will.
So that really is not even a consideration.
The question is, is that, you know, the evidence has been so tampered and lost brains and arrogance of the governments claiming national security for their cover-ups as they had with the UFO research and others, is that we're never going to know.
I mean, we can't get to the material until what, the year 2039 or something?
But see, remote viewings are also relevant, too, because what happens is, the title of your show, Dreamland, you see, when you deal with dreams, every time we have a dream, when we go into the sleep cycle at night, the REM cycle, or the fifth phase of the five-stage sleep cycle, is a dream, what we call dream level, which really is a form of an out-of-body experience.
So really every night we go through remote viewing when we go to sleep.
When I get off the air at 4 a.m. Pacific time on coast, the adrenaline's pumping.
You know, I've been drinking coffee, sitting here and smoking cigarettes, doing politically incorrect stuff all night.
And so I'm pretty hyped up.
About two hours later, I generally try to go to sleep to get a couple, two or three hours' sleep, so I'm up during the middle of the day and I can conduct a little bit of normal business.
I have discovered this particular period of sleep is very troubled, subject to constant dreaming and nightmares, frankly.
And then my sleep later in the day is just fine.
Now, I take it that I'm in and out of a very shallow area of sleep because no doubt of the chemicals in my body, all the coffee.
See, more importantly than that, yes, that's true.
But that would be equivalent to somebody on a more normal, quote, normal or regular life cycle who would maybe go to bed at 11 o'clock and maybe drinking coffee at 9 p.m. or something and then goes to bed two hours later.
But your problem here isn't so much the chemicals, although I don't recommend those as the ideal ways to sleep.
But your problem here is you're only getting, what, two or three hours of sleep?
So that's only at the most two complete sleep cycles.
Actually, one and one and a half.
That's the worst part.
You get your most rest when you go into your third or fourth sleep cycle, not the first or second one.
So that's the way the problem.
Secondly, you have to superimpose when you do coast to coast, which is basically a new show, you're not exactly dealing with the all-positive hour, you know?
And so therefore, you're, this is like when people, before they go to bed at night, when they think about the reason why most dreams are actually many nightmares, and in fact, we call them night terrorism, there's all kinds of things that happen at night.
The reason why people wake up more burnt out than when they went to bed and more neurotic, by the way.
You'll notice most people, as they get older, get more neurotic, not more positive, is because they program themselves before going to bed with all the worries and frustrations and anxieties that they're fed, unfortunately, mostly by the media, but they're also their personal lives, too.
So this really is more important in your negative programming than it is the coffee or even any other thing that you might be, you know, I only mention the chemicals, the coffee and the nicotine, because I think they produce a very shallow sleep that's kind of in and out in that weird little area between wakefulness and sleep.
But also if you had, for example, if you had, say, six hours of sleep rather than two hours, you'd find a big difference because by the time you get, most of your REMs are actually piled up in the latter part of the sleep cycle, not the beginning.
So really you only get maybe 15 to 20 minutes of REMs out of that, which is not enough to emotionally cleanse you.
And that's why you'll be more hyper, more uptight, and more just, you know, depersonalized, so to speak.
Yes, I definitely, no one's ever accused me of being of the type A personality, and I will acknowledge that I have publicly for 20-some odd years.
However, this is another factor here.
When I go to the East Coast, if I'm doing like a TV interview in New York or Chicago, what I will do is I don't like to take a day off and travel.
I will always take overnight flights, the red-eye flights, as they call them.
And what I do is I don't sleep on the plane.
I can sleep anywhere.
Well, what I do to rest myself and not have to waste over time, because the five-hour flight is really not enough for a full sleep cycle, I will just go into an alpha level.
I will use self-hypnosis.
I will do like a superconscious mind tap, as I call it.
I will do a self-hypnotic experience for maybe about an hour and a half, which is equivalent to about six hours of sleep because every minute in hypnosis or alpha is equivalent to three or four Earth minutes.
And therefore, I get all the rest I need without having to be unconscious for most of the time and without having to have the full eight hours or seven hours that I would normally get.
In fact, we've mentioned it before, but we'll talk a little bit tonight about how I have tapes.
have a self-hypnosis tape, which is a series of them, but any of them, in the beginning, give a certain post-it, not a cue, which will allow you on a very, you know, if you use a tape maybe for a week or two, to actually condition yourself within 30 seconds to get yourself into that alpha level, and then you can just simply just stay in that alpha level
Very simply, for somebody who's a novice, who has no formal experience, and who have not worked with, you know, most people who work with my tapes have never seen me in Los Angeles here.
So what I would very simply do is have them take a deep breath and hold it for the count of, say, five or six or so.
Then let it out slowly.
Take a second deep breath.
Maybe hold it for a count of ten.
Now we're neutralizing their breathing.
And then I would have them think of something pleasant.
It doesn't matter whatever they consider pleasant.
A mountain scene, a cave, whatever they like.
And then just simply repeat, not a mantra so much, I don't like that, but something that, some number Or code word or something that they find familiar that's relevant to them that can help them block out the needless, you know, maniacal thought that they may have had prior to that.
And then, when their breathing is neutralized, once they're conditioned with a post-hypnotic cue, then they're going to enter into a little deeper phase of that alpha level, the daydream state, the natural level that we go through for four hours during the waking day and three hours at night.
And then they can simply allow that to recharge, as people would do when they meditate or do yoga or do biofeedback or do any of the other alpha level techniques.
And then they can simply use that to just program in positive thoughts or just use it to just tune out the world and to recharge themselves without allowing themselves to be exposed to the negativity.
You could be exposed to having tea with Saddam Hussein.
It would work.
It doesn't matter where you are.
What makes a difference?
Remember, now, I'm not saying for you to tank up on the coffee.
The coffee really isn't that relevant.
Unless you drink like 20 cups in an hour, it really isn't as important as is the frame of mind that you're in prior to you're trying to go to sleep.
And also what your mind is thinking of nationally, if you can't tune out those negative items on the coast to coast or any of the news shows, you know, all the stuff you said in by the wire services and all the other material you get, then you're going to have problems in trying to neutralize all that.
Because what you're going to be doing is like the person who, it's sort of like the wide receiver in football who runs before he catches the ball and drops it.
Well, look, this is very important, Doctor, because we're in a day and age where we get stories about people cutting women open and taking their babies, you know, in Chicago, near Chicago, that kind of thing.
I mean, it's just by the day you think it cannot get worse, and it does.
So the technique you describe could be very valuable.
Oh, as a matter of fact, I use it myself because, you know, in my office, most of my patients are what you would consider, I would consider to be average, say, middle-class people.
But I have patient women who have been abused sexually, sexual harassment on the job.
I've had people who have been brutalized by the police department unnecessarily.
I see patients of mine.
They don't come to me to brag about how great their lives are.
I see negativity and a lot of very degenerative behavior or victimizations, if you will, on a daily basis.
And I tuned out by still using these techniques.
In fact, I trained them to do that.
Because people who do live in situations that they cannot change, it's a matter of how they respond to it.
If they don't use these techniques, they're going to wind up either on a lot of medication or in some place with rubber walls for their all right, Dr. Goldberg, stand by just a moment.
How is one to delineate, or can you, between a dream that involves something, some sort of precognition or some viewing of something that occurred in the present or past and absolute random firing of synapses that result in some sort of weird story that scares you or makes you happy?
In other words, a ridiculous made-up in-the-brain dream.
Okay, well, first, one of the keys that I use is naturally the history of you having these.
If you have a dream, or let's just say a content dream that is repetitive, that you're getting over and over again, that is by all definition, even my harshest antagonists and critics will admit, that's the subconscious mind trying to tell you something.
Now you're looking at the accuracy of it.
Obviously, if you have a history of these, they're repeated and they come true, well, you've got a good ratio.
If it's just a one-shot deal, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Let me show you a scientist who actually did this to show you how we talk about remote viewing.
One of the biggest names in remote viewing is Russell Targ.
He used to be at SRI.
Russell Targ in the early 80s, he wrote a book called The Mind Race, which keep Harry about his work up there.
What he did was when he left SRI, because he didn't like the government getting their grubby little hands-on Department of Defense mostly and controlling the projects, mostly for negative uses, of course.
They were trying to train CIA to go into remote view into Moscow and pick up the secrets from the behind closed doors there.
Well, what he found out was that after he left there, he used this technique himself, and this was written up in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
In fact, as a matter of fact, I'll give you one of the best examples of it that I did in 1990.
It was around Christmas time of 1990, and I did one of my age progressions going into the future of this current life on my current frequency, which we'll discuss a little later.
And in light of the things on Mars and on the moon, did you see any correlations between the statement at the end of transformation and the ancient language thing?
Oh, at the end of transformation, there's a statement in...
And they meant children of the northern peoples, you wander in eternal darkness.
And this is a very old, ancient language.
I mean, and many of the words in it are very prototypical of the you could be talking about a language that's one of the very oldest of human languages.
Well, I'm excited to be back because there was a time when I thought I never would again, and I had given up entirely, but the visitors never gave up on me, and that's why I'm back.
I'm going to give you a little bit of information prior to the ending of the show here.
That was, of course, Whitley's Freeber, and I well understand because of the massive faxes I'm getting that a lot of you are going to want copies of this very important program.
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So if you do, the number to obtain a proportion for what's going on here, I'm not sure what would.
Well, this also then gets into the area of UFOs, which is a common subject on Dreamland, and you have now interviewed probably as many or more remote viewers as anyone.
What is one of the comments from remote viewers about UFOs?
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Well, it's interesting because there is even controversy within the remote viewers about UFOs.
But what's most fascinating is that none of them say that there's no such animal.
They all agree that they have had the experience of seeing in their mind's eye UFO, their inhabitants, sometimes where they're coming from, sometimes where they're going to.
The controversy is over.
Some of them think that this should be a prime area of study, and others think that this is just kind of a side issue and that we should use remote viewing for more for things that would help benefit the people here on Earth.
And yet, if we have outside here, and there's so many other eyewitnesses that come into this issue of another intelligence interacting with the planet, if the government of the United States and Army intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency have used remote viewing to access things both past and current,
armaments, perhaps even looking for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, what have remote viewers seen or ascertained about what's in these objects that we call UFOs?
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Well, the first thing to understand is that we're not talking about little green men from Mars.
We're talking about many races and many different species of beings that they see out there in the universe, most of which have little or nothing to do with the Earth.
There's only a handful of races who come to the Earth and apparently with different motives.
Jim, I want to ask you two things about remote viewing.
It was never my understanding that remote viewing could look through time as well as across space.
I always thought it was a sort of I can see what's going on, for example, in Moscow through the eyes of somebody else or through my own ability.
But I'd never heard before that remote viewing could occur across time.
Let me address that.
Question one.
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That's one of the things they discovered while working at SRI with this phenomenon.
They were doing experiments where they would send out a team of people who would have computer-generated locations in sealed envelopes.
And when they got out a certain distance, they would open the envelope and go to this location.
Meanwhile, back at the laboratory, a remote viewer would, at a certain time, try to see if he could envision where these people were.
And they had some tremendous success with this particular experiment.
They had a fellow named Pat Price, who was a former police inspector, and he apparently had some very fine human psychic ability.
And what they suddenly discovered was, on one particular occasion, was that Pat Price gave them a very definite, clear description of the location 20 minutes before the people arrived there.
So they began to realize, did some other experimentation, and concluded that this remote viewing ability is not necessarily limited by time.
There are several other examples I could give to you, but that was one of the things they determined.
Yeah, would it be called more properly psychic warfare, which implies an ability to do damage or psychic sight, or maybe psychic spying?
In other words, is there the ability with the power of the mind to affect others one way or the other?
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This was one of the things they were very concerned about, and there may be other programs using other methodology.
For instance, ELF extremely low frequency, maybe even MK Ultra-type mind control things that would impinge on that.
But the remote viewers that I have talked to, the sci-spies, have said that over a period of time they came to realize that apparently you cannot physically do anything to anybody.
Yes, one other thing to show what a hard science in a way this is, Ingo Swann, one of the pioneers and stars of the government's program, remote viewed the planet Jupiter approximately six years before we had the Voyager pass by.
Out of that actual scientific experimentation, they did learn something that Ingo Swan had in his notebooks in which I've seen with my own eyes, that there was a small ring of debris around the planet Jupiter and that there were various things he commented about the electromagnetic fields of Jupiter and other things in the clouds that they did discover six years later.
And it is those, it is that kind of combination of being able to verify after remote viewing, which continues to put it into the area of a harder science rather than something that is speculative.
Can either one of you answer that might yield documentation?
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Unfortunately, there's none that I know of, and this is something that definitely needs to be done.
This is a very labor-intensive type operation.
To make it work and to increase the accuracy of the remote viewing, you need to target maybe a dozen remote viewers against one target.
And then you synthesize the information, find the threads of commonality, and the accuracy of what they're seeing increases and pushes upwards close to the 100% accuracy.
But to do this requires trained people using methodology with lots of time, a concerted program, and that requires money.
And the military and the CIA, of course, keep their experiments to themselves.
And the government and most standard traditional scientists would say, oh, well, this doesn't work anyway.
I don't know anything privately in this area, but Jim says that as of the spring of this year, he knew that there were funded remote viewing exercises going on in the government.
The 800 toll-free number for information about my work is 800-707-9993.
That's 800-707-9993.
And you can write to me at Lynda Howe Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania, zip code 19006.
I'm interested in anybody's information out there, whether it's in government remote viewing.
People can talk to me off the record or eyewitness encounters with some of the phenomena we discuss on Dreamland.
And my fax number is area code 215-491-9842.
That's 215-491-9842.
And in the coming year, as Jim's books come out, Art, I think it would be very interesting to look at remote viewing and some other areas he's going to deal with, the phenomena related to UFOs.
I just got a facts from Dean in Kauai, and I'll read it to you verbatim Aloha Art.
Just wanted to let you know, I've heard nothing about the 8.5 reported quake on Friday night, Saturday morning.
Now, I heard it via the ABC news feed, yet when I called their office in New York, they denied making the report.
I did hear it.
So did many others.
What was it?
Any clues?
No, Dean, I've got, and I saved on purpose the Reuters report that I got.
You'll hear it on the show following this one as it came in from so many people.
It is the oddest earthquake sort of, you know, you don't want to use the word cover-up, but I'm telling you all right now, something very weird occurred with the report of this quake.
Incidentally, I did hear it after finishing the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
I heard it on the Associated Press as well.
So I've got it from at least four, three or four major news sources.
And I've got it from all of you who heard it on so many sources.
So I don't know what the deal is.
I'm just a talk show host.
I take reports.
I've got news sources.
And I've got all of you.
So something occurred, and something's going on that they're not telling us about.
I don't know what it is.
When we come back, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
We all know that information, Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who is a dentist, a hypnotherapist, an author, a parapsychologist.
He has written a book called A Search for Grace.
It was turned into a TV movie.
I know a lot of you may have seen it.
A very well-documented case of murder and reincarnation.
Dr. Goldberg has a very wide, wide expanse of experience in these areas.
And so let us go to Dr. Goldberg now, who is located.
We're trying to track this, not that it is your field, but We can all do a remote viewing to last Friday night and see what happened.
I don't know what's going on with that either, because you told me that earlier this evening.
I hadn't heard of it, but then again, I'm not a newshound.
But maybe you could do a new book called The Art of Expose.
Yeah, no kidding.
But I would like to make a couple of comments about remote viewing, about your previous guest, Jim.
He's quite correct, by the way.
Remote viewing, which has really replaced the term of actual projection that was used in the 70s.
And what it really means is a more scientific way of doing an out-of-body experience under laboratory-controlled circumstances.
And yes, I'm familiar with the research, the work of Russell Targ at SRI, when it used to be at SRI anyway, with Keith Harry and a few others.
Yes, you do do a form of time travel.
Yes, you can go backwards and forwards in time because what you're doing is an out-of-body experience.
And I think your listeners are more familiar with the concept of near-death experiences, which is a form of an out-of-body experience.
The difference with this, of course, is remotely, you don't have to be near clinical death to have it happen.
But in near-death experience work, the work of Ray Moody, as well as more so Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, shows that people do have precognitive experiences, which have been very documented as a result of these near-death experiences or out-of-body experiences.
But not only that, but I'm also commenting on him that he's correct about the research, that remote viewing isn't just going from point A to point B now currently, but it also can you can go back and forward in time, and it would not be inconceivable to review the Kennedy assassination or the Lincoln assassination.
Well, you know, in 1978, the House Committee on Assassinations conceded it was a conspiracy.
They just didn't, they just locked it as is.
But they did acknowledge, you know, 17 years ago that it was more than one shooter, if you will.
So that really is not even a consideration.
The question is, is that, you know, the evidence has been so tampered and lost brains and arrogance of the governments claiming national security for their cover-ups, as they had with the UFO research and others, is that we're never going to know.
I mean, we can't get to the material until, what, the year 2039 or something?
That's been around, too, but the point is that, see, we couldn't know what could document that because you can't get into the particular location to find it out.
It's not open until the year 2029 or 2039, so therefore all you heard were rumors in some men's room in the Pentagon somewhere, you know?
But see, remote viewings are also relevant, too, because what happens is the title of your show, Dreamland, you see, when you deal with dreams, every time we have a dream, when we go into the sleep cycle at night, the REM cycle or the fifth phase of the five-stage sleep cycle is a dream, what we call dream level, which really is a form of an out-of-body experience.
So Billy, every night we go through remote viewing when we go to sleep.
When I get off the air at 4 a.m. Pacific time on coast, the adrenaline's pumping.
You know, I've been drinking coffee, sitting here and smoking cigarettes, doing politically incorrect stuff all night.
And so I'm pretty hyped up.
About two hours later, I generally try to go to sleep to get a couple, two or three hours' sleep, so I'm up during the middle of the day and I can conduct a little bit of normal business.
I have discovered this particular period of sleep is very troubled, subject to constant dreaming and nightmares, frankly.
And then my sleep later in the day is just fine.
Now, I take it that I'm in and out of a very shallow area of sleep because no doubt of the chemicals in my body, all the coffee.
See, more importantly than that, yes, that's true.
But that would be equivalent to somebody on a more normal, quote, normal or regular life cycle who maybe go to bed at 11 o'clock and maybe drinking coffee at 9 p.m. or something and then goes to bed two hours later.
But your problem here isn't so much the chemicals, although I don't recommend those as an ideal way for sleep, but your problem here is you're only getting, what, two or three hours of sleep?
So that's only at the most two complete sleep cycles.
That's the one and one and a half.
That's the worst part.
You get your most rest when you go into your third or fourth sleep cycle, not the first or second one.
So that's the way the problem.
Secondly, you have to superimpose when you do coach the coach, which is basically a new show, you're not exactly dealing with the all-positive hour, you know?
And so therefore, you're, this is like when people, before they go to bed at night, when they think about the reason why most dreams are actually mini nightmares, and in fact, we call them night terrorists, there's all kinds of things that happen at night.
The reason why people wake up more burnt out than when they went to bed and more neurotic, by the way.
You'll notice most people, as they get older, get more neurotic, not more positive, is because they program themselves before going to bed with all the worries and frustrations and anxieties that they're fed, unfortunately, mostly by the media, but they're also their personal lives too.
So this really is more important in your negative programming than it is to coffee or even any other things that you might be, you know, well, I only mention the chemicals, the coffee and the nicotine, because I think they produce a very shallow sleep that's kind of in and out in that weird little area between wakefulness and sleep.
Yes, I definitely, no one's ever accused me of being of the type A personality.
And I will acknowledge that, as I have publicly, for 20, some years.
However, this is the other factor here.
When I go to the East Coast, if I'm doing like a TV interview in New York or Chicago, what I will do is I don't like to take a day off and travel.
I will always take overnight flights, the red-eye flights, as they call them.
And what I do is I don't sleep on the plane.
I can sleep anywhere.
But what I do to rest myself and not have to waste over time, because the five-hour flight is really not enough for a full sleep cycle, I will just go into an alpha level.
I will use self-hypnosis.
I will do like a superconscious mind tap, as I call it.
I will do a self-hypnotic experience for maybe about an hour and a half, which is equivalent to about six hours of sleep, because every minute in hypnosis or alpha is equivalent to three or four Earth minutes.
And therefore, I get all the rest I need without having to be unconscious for most of the time and without having to have the full eight hours or seven hours that I would normally get.
In fact, we've mentioned before, but we'll talk a little bit tonight about how I have tapes.
I have a self-hypnosis tape, which is a series of them.
But any of them, in the beginning, give a certain post-it, not a cue, which will allow you on a very, you know, if you use a tape maybe for a week or two, to actually condition yourself within 30 seconds to get yourself into that alpha level.
And then you can just simply just stay in that alpha level and just...
All right, very simply, for somebody who's a novice, who has no formal experience, and who have not worked with, you know, most people who work with my tapes, they have never seen me in Los Angeles here.
So what I would very simply do is have them take a deep breath and hold it for the count of, say, five or six or so.
Let it out slowly.
Take a second deep breath, maybe hold it for a count of ten.
Now we're neutralizing their breathing.
And then I would have them think of something pleasant, it doesn't matter whatever they consider pleasant, a mountain scene, a cave, whatever they like.
And then just simply repeat, not a matcha so much, I don't like that, but something that, some number or code word or something that they find familiar that's relevant to them, that can help them block out the needless maniacal thought that they may have had prior to that.
And then when their breathing is neutralized, once they're conditioned with a post-hypnotic cue, then they're going to enter into a little deeper phase of that alpha level, the daydream state, the natural level that we go through for four hours during the waking day and three hours at night.
And then they can simply allow that to recharge.
As people would do when they meditate or do yoga or do biofeedback or do any of the other alpha level techniques.
Then they can simply use that to just program in positive thoughts or just use it to just tune out the world and to recharge themselves without allowing themselves to be exposed to the negativity.
You could be exposed to having tea with Saddam Hussein.
It would work.
It doesn't matter where you are.
What makes a difference.
Remember, now, I'm not saying for you to tank up on the coffee.
The coffee really isn't that relevant.
Unless you drink like 20 cups in an hour, it really isn't as important as is the frame of mind that you're in prior to your trying to go to sleep.
And also what your mind is thinking of nationally, if you can't tune out those negative items on the coast to coast or any of the news shows, you know, all the stuff you're fed in by the wire surfaces and all the other material you get, then you're going to have problems in trying to neutralize all that.
Because what you're going to be doing is like the person who, it's sort of like the wide receiver in football who runs before he catches the ball and drops it.
Well, look, this is very important, Doctor, because we're in a day and age where we get stories about people cutting women open and taking their babies, you know, in Chicago, near Chicago, that kind of thing.
I mean, it's just by the day you think it cannot get worse, and it does.
So the technique you describe could be very valuable.
Oh, as a matter of fact, I use it myself because, you know, in my office, most of my patients are what you would consider, I would consider to be average, say, middle-class people.
But I have patients, women, who have been abused sexually, sexual harassment on a job.
I've had people who have been brutalized by the police department unnecessarily.
I see patients in my life.
They don't come to me to break about how great their lives are.
I see negativity and a lot of very degenerative behavior or victimizations, if you will, on a daily basis.
And I tune it out by simply using these techniques.
In fact, I trained them to do that.
Because people who do live in situations that they cannot change, it's a matter of how they respond to it.
If they don't use these techniques, they're going to wind up either on a lot of medication or in some place with rubber walls for their all right, Dr. Goldberg, stand by just a moment.
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Dr. Goldberg, question for you about dreams.
How is one to delineate, or can you, between a dream that involves something, some sort of precognition or some viewing of something that occurred in the present or past and absolute random firing of synapses that result in some sort of weird story that scares you or makes you happy?
In other words, a ridiculous made-up in the brain dream.
Okay, well, first, one of the keys that I use is naturally the history of you having these.
If you have a dream, or let's just say a content dream, that is repetitive, that you're getting over and over again, that is by all definition, even my harshest antagonists and critics will admit, that's the subconscious mind trying to tell you something.
Now you're looking at the accuracy of it.
Obviously, if you have a history of these, they're repeated and they come true, well, you've got a good ratio.
If it's just a one-shot deal, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Let me show you a scientist who actually did this to show you how we talk about remote viewing.
One of the biggest names in remote viewing is Russell Targ.
He used to be at SRI.
Russell Targ in the early 80s, he wrote a book called The Mind Race with Keith Harry about his work up there.
What he did was when he left SRI, because he didn't like the government getting there, grubbing their little hands on Department of Defense mostly, and controlling the projects, mostly for negative uses, of course.
They were trying to train CIA agents to go into remote viewing to Moscow and pick up the secrets from the behind closed doors there.
Well, what he found out was that after he left it, he used this technique himself, and this was written up in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
In fact, as a matter of fact, I'll give you one of the best examples of it that I did.
In 1990, it was around Christmas time of 1990, and I did one of my age progressions going into the future of this current life on my current frequency, which we'll discuss a little later.
Now, I don't ask my patients to rick their readings.
This is what they're saying, and this is what I'm saying here.
I'm saying that there will be no earthquakes of a greater magnitude than 7.0 in California in a populated area that will cause property damage and death.
The big earthquakes that occur, and then this is only on one parallel universe of which there are different options, so we can change that too, is the year 2050.
Earthquakes that hit Los Angeles and San Francisco, and by the way, New York also in the year 2050.
Well, let's call it a statement that is made by several different sources, actually hundreds of them, over the last 18 years of people who do not know each other or have had or do have any contact with each other now.
There's an old story about Thomas Edison that's been corroborated many times.
What he did was he knew right before falling asleep, he'd have his greatest insights, but of course he'd fall asleep and not remember them.
So what he would do, he would lie on his couch in his house in New York somewhere, and he would have these metal balls like beauty on the bounty gear in his hands, and he would have a metal plate placed right just under where his hands were.
When he was just about to fall asleep, he'd drop the metal balls into the pan, wake himself up, take that brilliant idea, and invent the light bulb.
That's a true story.
He did that to do motion picture, camera, a projector.
He did it with dozens and dozens of other inventions.
So right before going to sleep, into your dreamland level, so to speak, you have your most profound intuitiveness, your most profound scientific predictors.
I want the facts are just pouring in on this earthquake business.
Yes, I know, folks.
We all heard it from various sources.
And it is odd.
Here's just, I'll give you a sample.
Regarding the mystery earthquake the other night, I too was very curious.
I too heard the report of a magnitude 8.5.
So got into the internet to the usual Art Bell Listener websites and gave me, and here is the following from USGS.
And it is not recorded here.
And he goes on, either there is a strange cover-up going on, can't figure out why, or possibly Reuters and everyone relying on them, like ABC, made a typo of the magnitude, and or are trying to ignore it and hoping nobody notices.
So yet we don't know whether it was misreported or reported accurately and is simply being shut up right now.
We have no idea.
And this is not normally the case with earthquakes, so who knows?
You can imagine every time I do this, I get people calling me with, you know, I'm going to Santa Anita, you know?
Well, can I have a gold stock or something?
Here's the problem.
Number one is that when people report that, yes, I don't doubt the accuracy, but the problem here, and this is where we have to spend a few moments on this, there are some things called parallel universes.
If you get, for example, the proverbial lottery number and you're on frequency number one, and there are five major frequencies, but there's an infinite number mathematically, but to keep it simple, let's just consider them as five.
And you get the lottery number on frequency number two, but you're on frequency number one, it ain't going to happen.
It doesn't mean it's not right.
It means that it's not right in the parallel universe in which you're in.
The universal laws, the karmic laws, state that you can't cheat the system.
If you're supposed to know something, you'll know it.
If you're going to use it for strictly capitalistic or materialistic gain, and you're not supposed to, you're looking for the easy way out, it's not going to happen because then you wouldn't grow karmically.
I don't do that because I'm sort of like when you asked earlier, Linda Howe, about the no private research with out-of-body remote healing as the result.
I don't do research.
I do clinical things.
When a patient of mine tells me, Doctor, and I'm really concerned about whether she's going to meet Mr. Wright or whether she's going to get fired from her job or whether her kid's going to get tuberculosis.
That's what I do in progressions.
I don't say, oh, by the way, can we forget about your personal problems while you've come home?
Quantum physics or quantum mechanics is what we say is that there is no, we can't test things the way we'd really like to because your consciousness actually affects the results even if you if you don't observe something it doesn't exist is what it says.
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There you go.
So when you're sitting here with your patient and you're getting information from them, you are also involved in that information, right?
This is why, you know, but I appreciate what Art, who is a good friend and really is one of the best interviews I've ever had.
I'll tell you right now, I love you dearly.
But at the same time, when you ask those questions, I have to simplify this for the average audience out there.
I'm not dealing with an engineering or a quantum physics convention where I would speak very differently.
But here, I have to try to get to the mass public who doesn't have the same background that I have or maybe even you have if you've done the reading here.
And so I can't speak always in the form of the quantum foam and the black holes and the white holes and all these little things.
But that's very different because false memory syndrome, and that's like leading the witness in court.
What I'm saying is that, for example, if you and I, since you're an electronic expert, or aficionado, and I'm sure your listeners will relate to this, let's say you were doing a friction physics experiment.
And you were sitting in a chair 15 feet away from it where you could have no effect at all, the dials, whatever's going on, the variables.
You're just watching it.
If you turn your head away and don't watch the experiment, somebody else does, your reality is different.
You're not looking at that experiment means you haven't observed it.
In reality, that experiment didn't happen.
That's what quantum physics says.
Actually, it proves it mathematically.
You have to observe it for it to be a reservation, but in reality, in your mind, you have not created that reality and you have created Yeah, but there's a delay.
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Doctor, we kind of left off at the top of the hour in the middle of this.
In other words, I was asking, and so in a way was the caller, whether or not, as a clinician, you in effect, at times, consciously or even unconsciously, and I'm sure you've mulled this over, lead a patient.
And in fact, you know, when I take, I do a lot of, as you know, television interviews and radio interviews where I do live regressions on the air and live on tape on television.
And what I do is, and I love doing that because it shows that it's like, you know, it's like being in court in a way.
I do not ask leaning questions.
In fact, I will say, where are you?
What do you perceive?
I don't say, you're in 1820 in an English carriage right now, aren't you?
That's leaning.
What I do is I simply say, where are you?
What's going on?
What do you see?
What do you perceive?
What's happening?
And I just ask them the questions and they give me the answer.
So in reality, now, am I thinking, am I tuning into them psychically?
I'll tell you right now, no, because I never get any visions or any intonations of what a patient is going to tell me.
Patients very often will read my mind.
In fact, telepathy is one of the characteristics of a medium-level hypnotic trance.
I can tell you right now, I do not see auras.
I don't have a silver veil over my eyes.
I don't have any experience other than strictly clinical, just asking the questions and, of course, doing what we call the superconscious mind tap where I'm training them to access their own higher self.
Because the purpose of what I'm doing here is really empowerment.
That's why I dislike a lot of the other approaches that are very codependently oriented.
Here, what I'm doing is train the patient to be totally independent of me in the shortest amount of time and to go on with their lives and actually to create and maximize their own destiny in the shortest period of time.
If I work with you, if I was in the same room with you, if I was in Kerrumpt or if I was in wherever you're doing the studio now, if we were in the same room together, but I'll tell you what I'll do.
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Plus, your listeners, I will send a free self-hypnosis exercise, a little pamphlet, which will train them to guide them into their own hypnotic experience and they can have their own level of relaxation that we talked about earlier.
And of course, I'll send them information about the tapes, the Past Lives, Future Lives, the original book, and the Search for Great new book about.
You've had several of my friends as guests on your show.
I spoke with Dr. Goldberg on the phone about one or one and a half years ago, made an offhand remark that his work sounded very much like that done by my friend, Chet Snow.
Dr. Goldberg flipped out big time, said Chet was, I'm not even going to repeat it here, and did not have a doctor's degree, blah, blah, and then hung up on me.
Number one is I do not like people giving false credentials.
I think it's a real problem.
If you have a real degree, fine.
If you don't, don't say you do.
Number two, in his book, I have a lot of problem with the book, definitely, and the work, in the sense that he never mentions the parallel universes in the book, and his book is very gloom and doom.
It would make a lot of very cynical people very happy.
But he also, if you read his book very carefully, you'll find out that Chet Snow is the person who brings the Christ entity into as an extraterrestrial in the year in the 21st century in his next life.
Okay, this is something I've got a real problem with.
Whether it's in your field or if it's in ufology or it's in parapsychology or wherever it is, there's a lot of feuding going on out there and a lot of jealousies and a lot of people who are upset with each other and regard each other in ufology.
For example, the ultimate smash is when you're finally unhappy with somebody, well, he's a CIA agent.
Inevitably, people will say that.
So why is there so much feuding going on out there over this kind of thing?
But the problem I have, if you're talking about just his work itself, the problem I have with his work is that his work is based upon a I wouldn't say it's a false hypothesis.
The way he presents it, if you read his book, the way he presents it is one, no choices other than his one option.
He puts himself into research, which is the worst thing a scientist should ever do.
In fact, if you do that, you're not a scientist.
It would be like me trying to be involved with a patient personally.
Well, you're always going to get, I mean, a difference of opinion.
For example, I disagree with the statements that are made by, for example, Scallion and some of the other psychics.
I'm not saying they're entitled to, I'm a First Amendment activist.
They can say what they want to.
What I'm just saying is that, and I'm taking the risks because I'm risking my reputation by saying that you're going to find in the parallel universe that you and I are on that their prediction in reference to the Army Gevin mentality, whatever combination you want, is simply not going to happen.
What I'm simply saying is that wait five years and you'll see who's right.
But the reason you'll have differences of opinion is because if you have differences of opinion in any field, the problem is not the difference of opinion.
Actually, that makes our intelligence and our society.
What the problem is, is that if a person's opinion or the way he presents him or her work is based upon either a false hypothesis or is based on an unscientific approach, then I'm going to definitely have problems with it because I'm a scientist.
And there's a big difference between a psyche doesn't have to follow scientific disciplines, whereas a scientist does.
And there's a big difference there.
But if a colleague of mine, who is supposed to be a scientist, does things that are very unscientific, then I have a problem with it.
Okay, well, as a matter of fact, I have a lot of work done with UFOs, and do I feel they're real?
Absolutely.
In fact, in Past Lives Future Lives, I report UFO experiences in both past and future lives.
As far as the explanations of them, one of the things that I find very interesting, and then right now I can't prove it, but I'm a great follower, if you will, or believer, if you will, of the work of Fred Alan Wolfe, who's a quantum physicist.
And what he says, and he puts this in his book, Parallel Universes, which is an excellent book, it's a Prentice Hall book, 1988, is that the reason why we have so many problems documenting the UFOs is, again, of course, the presence of the observer phenomenon, but also he feels that, and I agree with him, it's a possibility,
that if the UFOs are in a parallel universe, you see, and then they come into our, they cross over the space-time continuum, if you will, they enter into our parallel universe, then if we have one of our little jets up there chasing them at 900 miles an hour, and then all of a sudden they disappear on the spot of a dime, which is physically impossible by our laws, maybe they're going into a time warp into a parallel universe, which is why we can't follow them.
And I very much agree with that.
But getting back onto the aspect of UFOs, are the UFOs?
Well, I have tons of patients.
I've done about 75 major abduction cases.
If you just deal with abductions, if you deal with UFO sightings or just cases from past or future lives, I have thousands of them in my files.
And these are from very credible patients.
So I am, if anything, you could chalk me up on the plus column for UFOs.
Very interesting hypothesis on this parallel universe.
I don't quite understand, though, how we can speak with someone or communicate with someone in a parallel universe if this is a linear type progression of the subatomic particles and the way they're breaking.
Well, it's a good question because remember now, let me explain something.
Parallel universes were discovered in Princeton University in 1957 by a man named Hugh Everett III who was working on his doctorate in quantum mechanics, which is what people call quantum physics.
Now, what it says is that, you know the term matter-antimatter?
Okay, that term really means that if you have a chair in parallel universe number one, and of course it would have an equivalent chair in parallel universe number two, if those two ever touched each other, you'd have kaboom, you'd have an explosion.
So you obviously can't touch physically each other because you would explode it.
You'd cause a demolition of it.
But you can get images or you can have like, think of it like a television signal, like this monitor, like what Art was describing with scallions, the three monitors in front of them, that kind of thing.
If you're getting, you can get information.
You can get alpha waves or electromagnetic radiation, which is what our soul is, and what a television signal and radio signal is.
You can get that without, that's not going to cause an explosion.
So you can get information from parallel universes.
What you can't do is take the Sylvania back.
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Right.
Well, my question, I guess, is the parallel universe theory, the way I understand it, says that there is an infinite number of realities.
In other words, an infinite number of universes.
Therefore, how could a person in, quote, this reality possibly know or communicate with the infinite?
For example, when I do progressions, I obviously agree with the infinite mentality, but I just can't have the patience and say, keep on coming back for the next 10,000 years so we can lay out all your frequencies.
Because what people come to my office for me for is that what they'll do is I'll lay out the, they'll lay out, I'll ask them, I'll guide them into the progressions, and they'll lay out their options, and then they'll choose their ideal future, therefore custom design their own reality.
That earlier calls in Diane from OceanSight was an example.
That's what she did earlier this year.
But what I'm saying is that what I have found out is that although there's an infinite number, there seem to be five major categories.
Each category has millions and millions of subsidiaries to it, but you don't have to deal with them.
All you have to deal with is the major categories, and then they can choose either one, two, three, four, or five.
About the earthquake, going back to that, I called, I can't believe nobody thought of this, I called the little TV station here, Channel 8, and I asked them if they had any information about the earthquake.
I hadn't heard anything.
They told me that the Japanese Geological Survey people said it was a 5.8.
Yeah, and for Dr. Goldberg here, I'm surprised, I have to say this, I'm surprised as a scientist, I do follow Gordon Michael Scaling, of course, and I've listened to our Bell show for a while, that you were talking about Gordon Michael and his predictions, but you have never researched his stuff.
I guess you don't know then that he does talk about various dimensions.
He even goes up to seven dimensions.
And I think it was two or three months ago in his Earth Changes Report magazine, he discusses the different dimensions and the way they will change in the future.
What I was referring to was on July 15th of 94, he was on Encounters.
And what he was talking about was, of course, the map, of course, the famous map was on there and this and that.
But his whole mentality was prepare for the worst, start packing away the canned food.
There's not much we can do about it, and it's going to be a major Armageddon before the year 2000.
It was mentioned as a soundbite over and over again during his interview.
And that was seen by, you know, well, it's Fox, but it was seen by probably 10, 15 million people, which is a lot more than his readership in his newsletters.
And that was my concern because that also coincided with the ancient prophecies and the NBC stuff and some of the other stuff that has been gloom and doom oriented over and over again.
You know, every time one of those shows air, I get the calls, you know, because people know that I'm the positive one here.
And I get the calls to people going through almost major depression and anxiety disorders because they're afraid that their life is going to end.
I had a patient, a former patient, who called after seeing one of those shows and was going to move out of the state because of the airing of the encounter show.
Okay, but I have a responsibility to try to say, look, please calm down just like, you know, just sit down a minute.
This is not necessarily going to be the reality.
So what I'm saying is that there doesn't seem to be a counterbalance.
On the Encounter Show and on the Ancient Prophecies, they didn't have a counterbalancing aspect.
It was basically gloom and doom and just look at it and suffer and let's see what the ratings are.
They weren't balancing out with people like me on it, and that's the problem I have with a one-sided opinion.
Well, I'm just referring to the biblical reference of the world ending and whatever the, of course, I'm not trying to get into the theological aspect of the Antichrist because I'm not calling into all that.
I'm just talking about the major calamities of the geophysical disasters, the earthquakes, the tornadoes, the floods, the major, major geophysical disasters that will significantly impair civilization, as we know.
But the point is that even Nostradamus, when he talks about his form of an Armageddon, even he talks about how going into the year 21, something after a major nuclear war, which of course didn't happen because it was supposed to begin in 1988, according to Nostradamus, it made, that it was a very positive, beautiful world, and the 21st century was beautiful, etc.
Even he says that, which the Bible does too, after the Armageddon, so to speak.
People don't get that.
All they get, this is the calls I get.
You have to be from my perspective.
The calls I get are people who are shaking on the phone.
Their voices are hoarse.
They're sitting there looking for their Prozac, you know, and they're saying, Doctor, my life is over.
What am I going to do?
I don't know if I can see you.
You may be the last person on the earth I say this to.
I mean, when I hear that, I see myself, I've got a responsibility here.
Boy, talk about something that is hard to put your finger on.
I've got a fact here from somebody else who sent me a USGS report that is now reporting the earthquake originally reported as 8.5, that's 8.4, excuse me, 6.4 at a depth of 33 kilometers in the islands of KURIL, Kyrgyz, I believe, islands of the former Soviet Union.
So I've had this now reported at every magnitude under the sun, literally under the sun.
And they do indeed report it as 6.4.
So I have no idea what to believe.
Somebody called a little while ago.
I'm sure you heard them in set 5.8 and thought it was a case of dysseya.
I have no idea what Booth is.
You will hear the original reports on the Coast show that it's going to repeat if you get it following this program this morning.
That's how they originally were trapped in the karmic cycle by sort of like not doing what they were supposed to do.
But it's a very controlled kind of experience.
I describe a chapter of this in Past Life, Future Lives, about a light people experience.
But it's a very, very, it's almost like doing a past life aggression in a glass bubble.
It's very controlled.
It's censored.
It's a very, very difficult experience for the patient.
Not harmful, just that's hard to get information.
But it's very extraterrestrial because this will go back a million or two million BC, if not before.
And some of your listeners out there may have had dreams about that, where they were some sort of light being, so to speak, not communicating with an extraterrestrial who was, but they themselves were, and that would be what we call the light people regressions, which are infrequent but do exist.
Art, I'd like to ask your guest what his feelings are about the difference between seeing the future and creating it.
It is my experience that when I see the future, there's a great amount of latitude in believing in the foreseen outcome and choosing to change it, if only through our own thoughts.
My personal feelings are that if disasters are to occur, it will be because we have all, in effect, voted for it with our thoughts and emotions for various reasons.
You get what you concentrate on.
And he gives a note at the bottom, there is an upcoming ABC program on remote viewing, and I'll have to watch for that.
Very good.
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There's also an NBC movie for television on UFOs on Monday night, by the way.
Boy, I'll tell you, it brings another good question, Doctor.
Whether it's your field or ufology or whatever it is, we are being, now I've been doing this show for years, or a show watching, but we're being all of a sudden inundated.
Yeah, as a matter of fact, well, of course, you know, the media mentality is if the conscience keeps doing it until it dies out.
But I wrote you in that little fact I sent you earlier that I did a taping for the Gabrielle National Talk Show, talk show, and the topic was angels, and they had me on because I also am an expert in that.
And it'll be added to a couple of lease in which I'll be talking about some of my patient cases who had angelic experiences in dreams, and they actually manifested to, in one case, a woman saved her mother's life by using the information that her angels gave her.
But going back to the question, which is a very good one, in reality, what that person is saying is exactly what I'm saying, as well as what quantum physics says, is that there is no certainty out there.
Your mind does create reality.
The thoughts, our thoughts are electromagnetic radiation.
That is the wavelength of what we call the soul or spirit.
It's like a TV or radio signal.
That's what electromagnetic radiation is.
And in fact, as I gave you the example before about the friction experiment, if you don't observe it, it doesn't exist.
That's what we're saying.
So when patients come to see me here in Los Angeles, what I do is I help them lay out, or I ask them the right questions in trance to have them lay out their future alternatives, and then they can choose and be programmed for their ideal options.
So if your life is miserable now, and a lot of listeners out there will fit into this category where there are a lot of things going on in their lives that are not happy, it doesn't mean that you have to suffer in this space for the rest of this lifetime or for eternity.
You simply have to get your act together by accessing your higher self, perceiving the other options out there, retraining your mind so that instead of thinking about your cup being half full or not a drop in it, your cup is overflowing, so to speak.
And that's the empowerment and the optimism.
And that's why I always go against the gloom and humans, whether it be in economics and politics or in the metaphysical field, because what they're doing is sending out the energy that says, hey guys, life sucks and then you die.
I mean, you know, he sort of like went out with a flame, you know, I mean, but yeah, you create your own.
I mean, so did Hitler, and so did, you know, Florence Nightingale.
I mean, create her positivity.
You can do whatever you want.
My point here is that what people assume is that, you see, the reason why television is used so much to brainwash people, it's a great, great brainwashing medium, because people will buy whatever you put on television.
If you put it on long enough, if you market it right, it'll sell.
It doesn't matter what it is.
The greatest inventions of society, the greatest technological improvements, every one of them was laughed at.
People would say, get a horse when the car was invented about 100 some odd years ago, right?
The light bulb was laughed at.
Everything was laughed at until all of a sudden, 20 years later, people say, you know, I don't know how we're living without this device.
And the point here is that to be the pioneer in the field, for example, you talk about all the metaphysical things.
18 years ago, when I did progressions, when I would do TV interviews, 1980, producers would say, listen, Doctor, you know, your work is a little weird.
We like you, but your work is a little weird.
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So you can talk about some regressions, but please don't deal with progressions.
You know, it's a little bit too hard Now let's say, fine.
Now we just ignore them and talk about progressives.
And people seem to like it at the same time.
Now, everybody wants to do progressives.
Now, that's why NBC called me last year for everybody, why?
Because it hasn't been done before.
I mean, at least nobody, you know, my Pressbooks Speech Live was the first book ever written on progression therapy.
And basically, so people, it's something new, but it's also empowering and interesting enough, although I don't think it has the media's orientation to it.
The reason I like this field so much is not just because it's new and improved, but because it is empowering.
If there are any number of possible parallel universes, then when you progress somebody, an individual, you are reading but that individual universe, are you not?
Or are you reading something that will be collectively true?
It's a case of a woman years ago when I was in Baltimore.
She was working for a public relations firm as a secretary.
She was sexually harassed by a boss who gave in to him because he needed a job.
She looked like Adrian from Rocky One, you know, mousy-looking, and although, you know, so she had weight problems, she was smoking, everything in the world.
Now, as it turns out, she goes into the future of this life by about four or five years.
She sees herself buying into a radio station in Florida, looking differently, having a completely empowered life.
And she goes, Doctor, this is about the greatest fantasy trip I've ever had, or what's going to happen?
I said, look, it's a reality.
Let's check it out.
So as it turns out, I don't hear from her.
Six months later, she leaves.
She doesn't call me back.
Her number disconnected.
I hear from her a year and a half later.
She says, I moved to Florida.
I want to come home for Thanksgiving, and I'd like to see you and just talk to you and update you with my life.
And I said, fine.
She comes into my office.
She looks totally different.
She looks like a model now.
She's a beautiful woman.
She lost weight.
She stopped smoking.
She quit her job.
She did buy into a radio station.
She ran her own public relations firm.
Everything she told me, or just about everything I could think of that was verifiable in her progressions, all came true.
Well, actually, I've done people who I've done regressions more New Testament than Old Testament.
I don't know anybody who hung around with Moses or Abraham, but I do have work with people who were around and asked people after you saw Christ crucified.
So the New Testament stories are much more relevant to what people have reported to me in past lives.
The past, actually, is that the problem with the past being changeable is what quantum physics says, and they prove it by very complicated mathematics equations, is that the more observable the event, as in the media, like everybody covered the Lincoln assassination, as well as the Kennedy, then you can't change that.
Whereas the future, by our definition, is not observed, therefore we can change it.
So there are parallel universes in the past, too, but because events are observed, and the more observed they are, the less you can change them.
First of all, the process of hypnosis is you can identify driving in your car in the freeway or highway and being in a daydream level where you pass by exits that you have done on routine trips and not realize where you are but not get into an accident.
Then you can relate to what hypnosis is like at the daydream state.
What I do with the patient after I explain what I'm doing first, I get a history from them, what their goals are, and then I describe the techniques that we're going to be using with them, and then I guide them into the initial hypnotic level.
Then we'll do usually an age regression and past life regression on the first session.
And then we'll follow it up with super conscious mind taps.
And then we'll end this therapy with doing progressions into the future of this life.
And if the patient is interested, we go into future lives, too.
And I just wanted to make one more quick, quick comment.
I found it very interesting when you were talking a little while ago about how possibly there could be a bias of the scientist to the observable phenomenon and relating natural science to social science.
There's a book that I'm reading right now that talks about that exact thing.
It's relating quantum physics to other types of social science in the process of testing and how social science theory is such a participatory bias.
They don't have the same rules that physics and chemistry and medicine and pharmacology do.
But the point is that even when you take a really ultra-hard-nosed science, like physics and let's say biology, if you will, it doesn't mean anything because if I'm not there to watch you dissect this vlog when you were in high school, it never happened.
Now, insomnia is a big issue, and there is a tape I have which is also on how to very simply, very naturally guide you into very natural sleep, because you have to deal with these.
If you have insomnia, you automatically are very compromised in your emotional and energy cleansing of your day-to-day life.
Insomnia is a real no-no.
So it's very simple to get rid of.
I mean, it is absolutely one of the easiest things I deal with.
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Well, once I go to sleep, I can sleep, but like I say, it takes me an hour.
Well, the most unusual dreams were the light people that I mentioned earlier, about people who were pure light as extraterrestrials, and this was their first life on Earth.
And they were so restricting and so difficult for the patient that I investigated those a lot further.
And about 5% of my regressions are light people regressions.
The dreams themselves simply came up as a subsequent side effect to doing the past life regressions with my patients in the waking state or the hypnotic level.
Only after I started doing it and developed the practice that people started saying, you know, Doctor, I had this weird dream of me in, it looked like I was in a grouped outfit during the Battle of Troy here.
And then I started correlating the dreams, the sneak previews, and then, of course, doing a lot of reading and research with the precognitive dreams, the out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, the idea of psychic dreams, if you will, precognitive as we call them, and the idea of lucid dreaming, which is a whole other topic, too.
That also came up as a result of doing the work.
You really can't do this field and be an expert and not deal with dreams because it's part of everything.
Any psychotherapist, if they don't deal with dreams in some way, they're just missing the boat.
I think it's a very good question because everybody chooses their own positivities and negativities in life.
So, yes, those children who are killed by Koresh and children who are abused by some stepfather or father or uncle or whatever are definitely choosing that.
That doesn't make it okay for the person to be the perpetrator, but, yes, there are no, quote, victims that don't choose that.
is to train people to not accept the victim mentality, and that's called empowerment.
Because if you're empowered, you won't choose to be a child who's sexually abused.
You'll choose to be a child who grows up in somewhat of a Donna Reed lifestyle, you know, and not what goes on today where something like the predictions are 25% of women under 18 have been sexually molested, which, you know, I have a problem with those figures, but it's a lot.
Based upon not only my research, but also my colleagues from the field will tell you that too, is because comically, the rules of commerce is that, see, the rules of commerce say that you really do have complete control over your destiny, and that's the only incentive to be a quality citizen and to empower yourself.
Because if you had no control, then nobody would give a flying food, and everybody would just go killing each other and just breaking all kinds of laws because they wouldn't have to pay for them.
If you choose them and have to actually make amends to everything that you do, that's the ultimate karmic justice is the ultimate law of the universe and the ultimate, the only way we can actually keep our society and our civilization act.
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