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Nov. 26, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Linda Moulton Howe interviews Jim Marrs - Dr. Bruce Goldberg - Remote Viewing and Past Lives

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linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well this also then gets into the area of UFOs which is a common subject on Dreamland and you have now interviewed probably as many or more remote viewers as anyone.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What is one of the comments from remote viewers about UFOs?
unidentified		Well it's interesting because there is even controversy within the remote viewers about UFOs but what's most fascinating is that none of them say that there's no such animal.
		They all agree that they have had the experience of seeing in their mind's eye a UFO, their inhabitants, sometimes where they're coming from, sometimes where they're going to.
		The controversy is over.
		Some of them think that this should be a prime area of study and others think that this is just kind of a side issue and that we should use remote viewing for more for things that would help benefit the people here on Earth.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And yet if we have outside here, and there's so many other eyewitnesses that come into this issue of another intelligence interacting with the planet, if the government of the United States and Army intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency have used remote viewing to access things both past and current,
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		armaments, perhaps even looking for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, what have remote viewers seen or ascertained about what's in these objects that we call UFOs?
unidentified		Well, the first thing to understand is that we're not talking about little green men from Mars.
		We're talking about many races and many different species of beings that they see out there in the universe, most of which have little or nothing to do with the Earth.
		There's only a handful of races who come to the Earth and apparently with different motives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'd like to interrupt for a second.
		Jim, I want to ask you two things about remote viewing.
		It was never my understanding that remote viewing could look through time as well as across space.
		I always thought it was a sort of I can see what's going on, for example, in Moscow through the eyes of somebody else or through my own ability.
		But I'd never heard before that remote viewing could occur across time.
unidentified		Let me address that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Question one.
unidentified		That's one of the things they discovered while working at SRI with this phenomenon.
		They were doing experiments where they would send out a team of people who would have computer-generated locations in sealed envelopes.
		And when they got out a certain distance, they would open the envelope and go to this location.
		Meanwhile, back at the laboratory, a remote viewer would, at a certain time, try to see if he could envision where these people were.
		And they had some tremendous success with this particular experiment.
		They had a fellow named Pat Price, who was a former police inspector, and he apparently had some very fine human psychic ability.
		And what they suddenly discovered was, on one particular occasion, was that Pat Price gave them a very definite, clear description of the location 20 minutes before the people arrived there.
		So they began to realize, did some other experimentation, and concluded that this remote viewing ability is not necessarily limited by time.
		There are several other examples I could give to you, but that was one of the things they determined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, we're short on time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, one other question, a psychic warfare, that's what you called it.
unidentified		The psychic warfare program, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, would it be called more properly psychic warfare, which implies an ability to do damage or psychic sight or maybe psychic spying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, is there the ability with the power of the mind to affect others one way or the other?
unidentified		This was one of the things they were very concerned about, and there may be other programs using other methodology.
		For instance, ELF low, you know, extremely low frequency, maybe even MK Ultra-type mind control things that would impinge on that.
		But the remote viewers that I have talked to, the sci-spies, have said that over a period of time they came to realize that apparently you cannot physically do anything to anybody.
		You can simply look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that was important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lynda?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yes, one other thing to show what a hard science in a way this is, Ingo Swann, one of the pioneers and stars of the government's program, remote viewed the planet Jupiter approximately six years before we had the Voyager pass by.
		Out of that actual scientific experimentation, they did learn something that Ingo Swan had in his notebooks in which I've seen with my own eyes, that there was a small ring of debris around the planet Jupiter and that there were various things he commented about the electromagnetic fields of Jupiter and other things in the clouds that they did discover six years later.
		And it is those, it is that kind of combination of being able to verify after remote viewing, which continues to put it into the area of a harder science rather than something that is speculative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are we ever going to get our hands on any hard data?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I assume we will not, not from the government anyway.
unidentified		I doubt so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is there any private research going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can either one of you answer that might yield documentation?
unidentified		Unfortunately, there's none that I know of, and this is something that definitely needs to be done.
		This is a very labor-intensive type operation.
		To make it work and to increase the accuracy of the remote viewing, you need to target maybe a dozen remote viewers against one target.
		And then you synthesize the information, find the threads of commonality, and the accuracy of what they're seeing increases and pushes upwards close to the 100% accuracy.
		But to do this requires trained people using methodology with lots of time, a concerted program, and that requires money.
		And the military and the CIA, of course, keep their experiments to themselves.
		And the government and most standard traditional scientists would say, oh, well, this doesn't work anyway.
		And so the money's not there to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we're almost out of time.
		Linda knows some people that have money that sometimes invest.
		Linda, do you know of anything privately going on?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything privately in this area, but Jim says that as of the spring of this year, he knew that there were funded remote viewing exercises going on in the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you two.
		We're out of time.
		Linda, give your information, contact information, please.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The 800 toll-free number for information About my work is 800-707-9993.
		That's 800-707-9993.
		And you can write to me at Linda Howe Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania, zip code 19006.
		I'm interested in anybody's information out there, whether it's in government remote viewing.
		People can talk to me off the record or eyewitness encounters with some of the phenomena we discuss on Dreamland.
		And my fax number is area code 215-491-9842.
		That's 215-491-9842.
		And in the coming year, as Jim's books come out, Art, I think it would be very interesting to look at remote viewing and some other areas he's going to deal with, the phenomena related to UFOs.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Linda, get us privately some contact information for Jim, and maybe we'll have him on as a guest.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I will.
		And happy Thanksgiving to you and to everyone and to all of our new radio stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		And to you, Jim, thank you very much.
		And both of you, take care.
		That's Linda Howe.
		And it's certainly good to have her on the program running very short on time for about, oh, well, I don't know, several months now anyway.
		We've been telling you about the new currency that is on the way.
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unidentified		North American...
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a genuine mystery here.
		I just got a fact from Dean in Kauai, and I'll read it to you, Verbeta, Maloha, Art.
		Just wanted to let you know, I've heard nothing about the 8.5 reported quake on Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Now, I heard it via the ABC News feed, yet when I called their office in New York, they denied making the report.
		I did hear it.
		So did many others.
		What was it?
		Any clues?
		No, Dean, I've got, and I saved on purpose, the Reuters report that I got.
		You'll hear it on the show following this one as it came in from so many people.
		It is the oddest earthquake sort of, you know, you don't want to use the word cover-up, but I'm telling you all right now, something very weird occurred with the report of this quake.
		Incidentally, I did hear it after finishing the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		I heard it on the Associated Press as well.
		So I've got it from at least four, three or four major news sources.
		And I've got it from all of you who, you know, heard it on so many sources.
		So I don't know what the deal is.
		I'm just a talk show host.
		I take reports.
		I've got news sources.
		And I've got all of you.
		So something occurred, and something's going on that they're not telling us about.
		I don't know what it is.
		When we come back, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
		We all know that information.
		Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who is a dentist, a hypnotherapist, an author, a parapsychologist.
		He has written a book called A Search for Grace.
		It was turned into a TV movie.
		I know a lot of you may have seen it.
		A very well-documented case of murder and reincarnation.
		Dr. Goldberg has a very wide, wide expanse of experience in these areas.
		And so let us go to Dr. Goldberg now, who is located.
		Let me find out where he is.
		Dr. Goldberg, where are you?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I'm in Whitland Hills, California, a suburb of Los Angeles, which has not yet fallen into the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and so we're all glad to hear uh...
		we're trying to track this uh...
		not not not that it is your field but uh...
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		We can all do a remote viewing to last Friday night and see what happened.
		I don't know what's going on with that either, because you told me that earlier this evening.
		I hadn't heard of it, but then again, I'm not a newshound.
		But maybe you could do a new book called The Art of Expose.
		Yeah, no kidding.
		But I would like to make a couple of comments about remote viewing, about your previous guest, Jim.
		He's quite correct, by the way.
		Remote viewing, which has really replaced the term of actual projection that was used in the 70s.
		What it really means is a more scientific way of doing an out-of-body experience under laboratory-controlled circumstances.
		And yes, I'm familiar with the research, the work of Russell Targ at SRI, what he used to be at SRI anyway, with Keith Harry and a few others.
		Yes, you do do a form of time travel.
		Yes, you can go backwards and forwards in time because what you're doing is an out-of-body experience.
		And I think your listeners are more familiar with the concept of near-death experiences, which is a form of an out-of-body experience.
		The difference with this, of course, is remotely, you don't have to be in your clinical desk to have it happen.
		But in near-death experience work, the work of Ray Moody, as well as more so Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, shows that people do have precognitive experiences, which have been very documented as a result of these near-death experiences or out-of-body experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, from your point of view, this validates your work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a different approach, but the same general thing.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But not only that, but I'm also commenting on him that he's correct about the research, that remote viewing isn't just going from point A to point B now currently, but it also can go back and forward in time.
		And it would not be inconceivable to review the Kennedy assassination or the Lincoln assassination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm still kicking myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I meant to ask him who did shoot from the front, but slipped my mind.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		The man who said ducks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, my theory on the Kennedy thing is we're never going to know.
		I mean, It just doesn't matter.
		There are so many theories piled on theories now that one more, even the absolute truth, we'd never know it if it hit us in the noggin.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in 1978, the House Committee on Assassinations conceded it was a conspiracy.
		They just locked it as is.
		But they did acknowledge, you know, 17 years ago that it was more than one shooter, if you will.
		So that really is not even a consideration.
		The question is, is that, you know, the evidence has been so tampered and lost brains and arrogance of the governments claiming national security for their cover-ups as they had with the UFO research and others, is that we're never going to know.
		I mean, we can't get to the material until what, the year 2039 or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is the first time I've heard the President's brain is missing.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		No, I've heard that before, too.
		That's been around, too.
		But the point is that, see, we couldn't know what to document that because you can't get into the particular location to find it out.
		It's not open until it's year 2029 or 2039.
		So therefore, all you heard were rumors in some men's room in the Pentagon somewhere, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'd be a lot easier for me to assimilate that remark if it referred to a contemporary president.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, what would you do remote viewing?
		It wouldn't make a difference, you see.
		But see, remote viewings are also relevant, too, because what happens is, the title of your show, Dreamland, you see, when you deal with dreams, every time we have a dream, when we go into the sleep cycle at night, the REM cycle, or the fifth phase of the five-stage sleep cycle, is a dream, what we call dream level, which really is a form of an out-of-body experience.
		So really every night we go through remote viewing when we go to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to ask you a question.
		Sure.
		I have, because of the nature of the work I do, I do Dreamland Sunday nights.
		Then I do an all-night show during the week.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		All right.
		When I get off the air at 4 a.m. Pacific time on coast, the adrenaline's pumping.
		You know, I've been drinking coffee, sitting here and smoking cigarettes, doing politically incorrect stuff all night.
		And so I'm pretty hyped up.
		About two hours later, I generally try to go to sleep to get a couple, two or three hours' sleep, so I'm up during the middle of the day and I can conduct a little bit of normal business.
		I have discovered this particular period of sleep is very troubled, subject to constant dreaming and nightmares, frankly.
		And then my sleep later in the day is just fine.
		Now, I take it that I'm in and out of a very shallow area of sleep because no doubt of the chemicals in my body, all the coffee.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, also because of the length.
		See, more importantly than that, yes, that's true.
		But that would be equivalent to somebody on a more normal, quote, normal or regular life cycle who would maybe go to bed at 11 o'clock and maybe drinking coffee at 9 p.m. or something and then goes to bed two hours later.
		But your problem here isn't so much the chemicals, although I don't recommend those as the ideal ways to sleep.
		But your problem here is you're only getting, what, two or three hours of sleep?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right, yes.
unidentified		Right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		So that's only at the most two complete sleep cycles.
		Actually, one and one and a half.
		That's the worst part.
		You get your most rest when you go into your third or fourth sleep cycle, not the first or second one.
		So that's the way the problem.
		Secondly, you have to superimpose when you do coast to coast, which is basically a new show, you're not exactly dealing with the all-positive hour, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You're dealing with a lot of negative stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		And so therefore, you're, this is like when people, before they go to bed at night, when they think about the reason why most dreams are actually many nightmares, and in fact, we call them night terrorism, there's all kinds of things that happen at night.
		The reason why people wake up more burnt out than when they went to bed and more neurotic, by the way.
		You'll notice most people, as they get older, get more neurotic, not more positive, is because they program themselves before going to bed with all the worries and frustrations and anxieties that they're fed, unfortunately, mostly by the media, but they're also their personal lives, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this really is more important in your negative programming than it is the coffee or even any other thing that you might be, you know, I only mention the chemicals, the coffee and the nicotine, because I think they produce a very shallow sleep that's kind of in and out in that weird little area between wakefulness and sleep.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But also if you had, for example, if you had, say, six hours of sleep rather than two hours, you'd find a big difference because by the time you get, most of your REMs are actually piled up in the latter part of the sleep cycle, not the beginning.
		So really you only get maybe 15 to 20 minutes of REMs out of that, which is not enough to emotionally cleanse you.
		And that's why you'll be more hyper, more uptight, and more just, you know, depersonalized, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a serious type A, as you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's, you know, that also contributes to it.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But look, you bring up a good point.
		Yes, I definitely, no one's ever accused me of being of the type A personality, and I will acknowledge that I have publicly for 20-some odd years.
		However, this is another factor here.
		When I go to the East Coast, if I'm doing like a TV interview in New York or Chicago, what I will do is I don't like to take a day off and travel.
		I will always take overnight flights, the red-eye flights, as they call them.
		And what I do is I don't sleep on the plane.
		I can sleep anywhere.
		Well, what I do to rest myself and not have to waste over time, because the five-hour flight is really not enough for a full sleep cycle, I will just go into an alpha level.
		I will use self-hypnosis.
		I will do like a superconscious mind tap, as I call it.
		I will do a self-hypnotic experience for maybe about an hour and a half, which is equivalent to about six hours of sleep because every minute in hypnosis or alpha is equivalent to three or four Earth minutes.
		And therefore, I get all the rest I need without having to be unconscious for most of the time and without having to have the full eight hours or seven hours that I would normally get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do that?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, self-hypnosis.
		It's very simple.
		In fact, we've mentioned it before, but we'll talk a little bit tonight about how I have tapes.
		have a self-hypnosis tape, which is a series of them, but any of them, in the beginning, give a certain post-it, not a cue, which will allow you on a very, you know, if you use a tape maybe for a week or two, to actually condition yourself within 30 seconds to get yourself into that alpha level, and then you can just simply just stay in that alpha level
		Very simply, for somebody who's a novice, who has no formal experience, and who have not worked with, you know, most people who work with my tapes have never seen me in Los Angeles here.
		So what I would very simply do is have them take a deep breath and hold it for the count of, say, five or six or so.
		Then let it out slowly.
		Take a second deep breath.
		Maybe hold it for a count of ten.
		Now we're neutralizing their breathing.
		And then I would have them think of something pleasant.
		It doesn't matter whatever they consider pleasant.
		A mountain scene, a cave, whatever they like.
		And then just simply repeat, not a mantra so much, I don't like that, but something that, some number Or code word or something that they find familiar that's relevant to them that can help them block out the needless, you know, maniacal thought that they may have had prior to that.
		And then, when their breathing is neutralized, once they're conditioned with a post-hypnotic cue, then they're going to enter into a little deeper phase of that alpha level, the daydream state, the natural level that we go through for four hours during the waking day and three hours at night.
		And then they can simply allow that to recharge, as people would do when they meditate or do yoga or do biofeedback or do any of the other alpha level techniques.
		And then they can simply use that to just program in positive thoughts or just use it to just tune out the world and to recharge themselves without allowing themselves to be exposed to the negativity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so this would work, for example, after I've been exposed to a night of news.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You could be exposed to having tea with Saddam Hussein.
		It would work.
		It doesn't matter where you are.
		What makes a difference?
		Remember, now, I'm not saying for you to tank up on the coffee.
		The coffee really isn't that relevant.
		Unless you drink like 20 cups in an hour, it really isn't as important as is the frame of mind that you're in prior to you're trying to go to sleep.
		And also what your mind is thinking of nationally, if you can't tune out those negative items on the coast to coast or any of the news shows, you know, all the stuff you said in by the wire services and all the other material you get, then you're going to have problems in trying to neutralize all that.
		Because what you're going to be doing is like the person who, it's sort of like the wide receiver in football who runs before he catches the ball and drops it.
		You know, his mind is thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, this is very important, Doctor, because we're in a day and age where we get stories about people cutting women open and taking their babies, you know, in Chicago, near Chicago, that kind of thing.
		I mean, it's just by the day you think it cannot get worse, and it does.
		So the technique you describe could be very valuable.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, as a matter of fact, I use it myself because, you know, in my office, most of my patients are what you would consider, I would consider to be average, say, middle-class people.
		But I have patient women who have been abused sexually, sexual harassment on the job.
		I've had people who have been brutalized by the police department unnecessarily.
		I see patients of mine.
		They don't come to me to brag about how great their lives are.
		I see negativity and a lot of very degenerative behavior or victimizations, if you will, on a daily basis.
		And I tuned out by still using these techniques.
		In fact, I trained them to do that.
		Because people who do live in situations that they cannot change, it's a matter of how they respond to it.
		If they don't use these techniques, they're going to wind up either on a lot of medication or in some place with rubber walls for their all right, Dr. Goldberg, stand by just a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back to you.
		I'm still playing a little catch-up.
		You won.
		One nod.
		All right, again, I'm going to bore in on this.
		Dr. Goldberg, question for you about dreams.
		How is one to delineate, or can you, between a dream that involves something, some sort of precognition or some viewing of something that occurred in the present or past and absolute random firing of synapses that result in some sort of weird story that scares you or makes you happy?
		In other words, a ridiculous made-up in-the-brain dream.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, first, one of the keys that I use is naturally the history of you having these.
		If you have a dream, or let's just say a content dream that is repetitive, that you're getting over and over again, that is by all definition, even my harshest antagonists and critics will admit, that's the subconscious mind trying to tell you something.
		Now you're looking at the accuracy of it.
		Obviously, if you have a history of these, they're repeated and they come true, well, you've got a good ratio.
		If it's just a one-shot deal, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
		Let me show you a scientist who actually did this to show you how we talk about remote viewing.
		One of the biggest names in remote viewing is Russell Targ.
		He used to be at SRI.
		Russell Targ in the early 80s, he wrote a book called The Mind Race, which keep Harry about his work up there.
		What he did was when he left SRI, because he didn't like the government getting their grubby little hands-on Department of Defense mostly and controlling the projects, mostly for negative uses, of course.
		They were trying to train CIA to go into remote view into Moscow and pick up the secrets from the behind closed doors there.
		Well, what he found out was that after he left there, he used this technique himself, and this was written up in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
unidentified		He did the remote viewing to go into the future.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		This is a time concept again.
		And he found out Silver Futures results.
		You won $100,000 or made $100,000 on Silver Futures on a way very different than the way Hillary Clinton did with other kicker viewers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're talking.
unidentified		But he did it.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It was reported about 1986 or 87 in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It was fully documented.
unidentified		Really?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, really, absolutely.
		It's an absolute fact.
		And so therefore, this confirms a couple things.
		One is that he used the technique, obviously, to materially benefit, but to also show how accurate it was.
		Plus, he also shows here how remote viewing can give you a precognitive or future information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you tried it?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remote viewing?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, remote viewing, I call it progression, you see.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It's really the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Rose by any other name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question was, are you able to do it?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		In fact, as a matter of fact, I'll give you one of the best examples of it that I did in 1990.
		It was around Christmas time of 1990, and I did one of my age progressions going into the future of this current life on my current frequency, which we'll discuss a little later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, we're at the top of the hour.
		So let's break off here and pick this up right after the news, which is coming up next.
		And during the break, we'll have a little private conversation about the price of gold.
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whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		I've also seen other blonde beings that were very strange, kind of empty space and were shorter.
		I have seen and been close to human-like beings who were about three and a half feet tall, whom I at first took to be children, but weren't.
		Obviously children, and I got more clear about what they were.
		The one time I saw one of them up close, I thought it was a child sitting under a tree in the woods behind my old house in New York.
		And I walked up to him thinking he was smoking a cigarette.
		He Had something between his fingers.
		When I leaned over, I saw, obviously, that I was dealing with something very, very strange.
		And he opened his mouth and growled and scared the hell out of me.
		And I ran away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't do it.
		Whitley, I ask all the researchers I talk to what's most likely that they're visitors from our future or visitors from elsewhere.
		And the most frequent answer I get is probably both.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you what I think they are, just to sum it up quickly.
		Some of them are from elsewhere.
		Some of them are born and raised here, but essentially from non-human origin.
		Some of them are from our future, human and non-human.
		Some of them are from our past, human and non-human.
		Our own dead are involved in this and are actively participating.
		What's happening is huge.
		It's massive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say to the average person?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they are on the edge of or beginning to experience an encounter, would you say A, embrace it and go with it, or B, run like hell?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Neither.
		I would say take what you can from it, but be cautious and be wise.
		Because if you embrace this totally, you're making yourself out to be a fool.
		If you run from it, you're wasting it.
		So go for it.
		Take what you can from it.
		Be careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take each wary step one or two.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Take it a step at a time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, not a lot of time.
		You're on the air with Whitley Screeber.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Dave in Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		And I was wondering if, well, you were talking about the past sophisticated civilization.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And in light of the things on Mars and on the moon, did you see any correlations between the statement at the end of transformation and the ancient language thing?
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, at the end of transformation, there's a statement in...
		And they meant children of the northern peoples, you wander in eternal darkness.
		And this is a very old, ancient language.
		I mean, and many of the words in it are very prototypical of the you could be talking about a language that's one of the very oldest of human languages.
		So yeah, there could be some kind of connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
		Well, Whitley, it sounds like Whitley Streeber is really back in top form.
		And we're glad to have you back.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm excited to be back because there was a time when I thought I never would again, and I had given up entirely, but the visitors never gave up on me, and that's why I'm back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's great to have you, and I'm honored to have been able to interview you, and it went so well that I would beg that we do it again someday.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you don't need to beg.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		We'll do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whitley, thank you so very much.
whitley strieber ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's been a pleasure, Harris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
		You too.
		Well, wasn't that something?
		I'm going to give you a little bit of information prior to the ending of the show here.
		That was, of course, Whitley's Freeber, and I well understand because of the massive faxes I'm getting that a lot of you are going to want copies of this very important program.
unidentified		So if you do, the number to obtain a proportion for what's going on here, I'm not sure what would.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Well, this also then gets into the area of UFOs, which is a common subject on Dreamland, and you have now interviewed probably as many or more remote viewers as anyone.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		What is one of the comments from remote viewers about UFOs?
unidentified		Well, it's interesting because there is even controversy within the remote viewers about UFOs.
		But what's most fascinating is that none of them say that there's no such animal.
		They all agree that they have had the experience of seeing in their mind's eye UFO, their inhabitants, sometimes where they're coming from, sometimes where they're going to.
		The controversy is over.
		Some of them think that this should be a prime area of study, and others think that this is just kind of a side issue and that we should use remote viewing for more for things that would help benefit the people here on Earth.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		And yet, if we have outside here, and there's so many other eyewitnesses that come into this issue of another intelligence interacting with the planet, if the government of the United States and Army intelligence and the Central Intelligence Agency have used remote viewing to access things both past and current,
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		armaments, perhaps even looking for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war, what have remote viewers seen or ascertained about what's in these objects that we call UFOs?
unidentified		Well, the first thing to understand is that we're not talking about little green men from Mars.
		We're talking about many races and many different species of beings that they see out there in the universe, most of which have little or nothing to do with the Earth.
		There's only a handful of races who come to the Earth and apparently with different motives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'd like to interrupt for a second.
		Jim, I want to ask you two things about remote viewing.
		It was never my understanding that remote viewing could look through time as well as across space.
		I always thought it was a sort of I can see what's going on, for example, in Moscow through the eyes of somebody else or through my own ability.
		But I'd never heard before that remote viewing could occur across time.
		Let me address that.
		Question one.
unidentified		That's one of the things they discovered while working at SRI with this phenomenon.
		They were doing experiments where they would send out a team of people who would have computer-generated locations in sealed envelopes.
		And when they got out a certain distance, they would open the envelope and go to this location.
		Meanwhile, back at the laboratory, a remote viewer would, at a certain time, try to see if he could envision where these people were.
		And they had some tremendous success with this particular experiment.
		They had a fellow named Pat Price, who was a former police inspector, and he apparently had some very fine human psychic ability.
		And what they suddenly discovered was, on one particular occasion, was that Pat Price gave them a very definite, clear description of the location 20 minutes before the people arrived there.
		So they began to realize, did some other experimentation, and concluded that this remote viewing ability is not necessarily limited by time.
		There are several other examples I could give to you, but that was one of the things they determined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, we're short on time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, one other question, a psychic warfare, that's what you called it.
unidentified		The psychic warfare program, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, would it be called more properly psychic warfare, which implies an ability to do damage or psychic sight, or maybe psychic spying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, is there the ability with the power of the mind to affect others one way or the other?
unidentified		This was one of the things they were very concerned about, and there may be other programs using other methodology.
		For instance, ELF extremely low frequency, maybe even MK Ultra-type mind control things that would impinge on that.
		But the remote viewers that I have talked to, the sci-spies, have said that over a period of time they came to realize that apparently you cannot physically do anything to anybody.
		You can simply look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that was important.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Linda?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Yes, one other thing to show what a hard science in a way this is, Ingo Swann, one of the pioneers and stars of the government's program, remote viewed the planet Jupiter approximately six years before we had the Voyager pass by.
		Out of that actual scientific experimentation, they did learn something that Ingo Swan had in his notebooks in which I've seen with my own eyes, that there was a small ring of debris around the planet Jupiter and that there were various things he commented about the electromagnetic fields of Jupiter and other things in the clouds that they did discover six years later.
		And it is those, it is that kind of combination of being able to verify after remote viewing, which continues to put it into the area of a harder science rather than something that is speculative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are we ever going to get our hands on any hard data?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I assume we will not, not from the government anyway.
unidentified		I would doubt so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, is there any private research going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can either one of you answer that might yield documentation?
unidentified		Unfortunately, there's none that I know of, and this is something that definitely needs to be done.
		This is a very labor-intensive type operation.
		To make it work and to increase the accuracy of the remote viewing, you need to target maybe a dozen remote viewers against one target.
		And then you synthesize the information, find the threads of commonality, and the accuracy of what they're seeing increases and pushes upwards close to the 100% accuracy.
		But to do this requires trained people using methodology with lots of time, a concerted program, and that requires money.
		And the military and the CIA, of course, keep their experiments to themselves.
		And the government and most standard traditional scientists would say, oh, well, this doesn't work anyway.
		And so the money's not there to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we're almost out of time.
		Linda knows some people that have money that sometimes invest.
		Yeah, that invest in this kind of thing from time to time.
		Linda, do you know of anything privately going on?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything privately in this area, but Jim says that as of the spring of this year, he knew that there were funded remote viewing exercises going on in the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you two.
		We're out of time.
		Linda, give your information, contact information, please.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The 800 toll-free number for information about my work is 800-707-9993.
		That's 800-707-9993.
		And you can write to me at Lynda Howe Post Office Box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania, zip code 19006.
		I'm interested in anybody's information out there, whether it's in government remote viewing.
		People can talk to me off the record or eyewitness encounters with some of the phenomena we discuss on Dreamland.
		And my fax number is area code 215-491-9842.
		That's 215-491-9842.
		And in the coming year, as Jim's books come out, Art, I think it would be very interesting to look at remote viewing and some other areas he's going to deal with, the phenomena related to UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Linda, get us privately some contact information for Jim and maybe we'll have him on as a guest.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I will.
		And happy Thanksgiving to you and to everyone and to all of our new radio stations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		And to you, Jim.
		Thank you very much.
		And both of you, take care.
		That's Linda Howe.
		And it's certainly good to have her on the program running very short on time for about, oh, well, I don't know, several months now, anyway.
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a genuine mystery here.
		I just got a facts from Dean in Kauai, and I'll read it to you verbatim Aloha Art.
		Just wanted to let you know, I've heard nothing about the 8.5 reported quake on Friday night, Saturday morning.
		Now, I heard it via the ABC news feed, yet when I called their office in New York, they denied making the report.
		I did hear it.
		So did many others.
		What was it?
		Any clues?
		No, Dean, I've got, and I saved on purpose the Reuters report that I got.
		You'll hear it on the show following this one as it came in from so many people.
		It is the oddest earthquake sort of, you know, you don't want to use the word cover-up, but I'm telling you all right now, something very weird occurred with the report of this quake.
		Incidentally, I did hear it after finishing the show, Friday night, Saturday morning.
		I heard it on the Associated Press as well.
		So I've got it from at least four, three or four major news sources.
		And I've got it from all of you who heard it on so many sources.
		So I don't know what the deal is.
		I'm just a talk show host.
		I take reports.
		I've got news sources.
		And I've got all of you.
		So something occurred, and something's going on that they're not telling us about.
		I don't know what it is.
		When we come back, Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
		We all know that information, Dr. Bruce Goldberg, who is a dentist, a hypnotherapist, an author, a parapsychologist.
		He has written a book called A Search for Grace.
		It was turned into a TV movie.
		I know a lot of you may have seen it.
		A very well-documented case of murder and reincarnation.
		Dr. Goldberg has a very wide, wide expanse of experience in these areas.
		And so let us go to Dr. Goldberg now, who is located.
		Let me find out where he is.
		Dr. Goldberg, where are you?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Hi, I'm in Woodland Hills, California, a suburb of Los Angeles, which has not yet fallen into the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so we're all glad to hear.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		We're trying to track this, not that it is your field, but We can all do a remote viewing to last Friday night and see what happened.
		I don't know what's going on with that either, because you told me that earlier this evening.
		I hadn't heard of it, but then again, I'm not a newshound.
		But maybe you could do a new book called The Art of Expose.
		Yeah, no kidding.
		But I would like to make a couple of comments about remote viewing, about your previous guest, Jim.
		He's quite correct, by the way.
		Remote viewing, which has really replaced the term of actual projection that was used in the 70s.
		And what it really means is a more scientific way of doing an out-of-body experience under laboratory-controlled circumstances.
		And yes, I'm familiar with the research, the work of Russell Targ at SRI, when it used to be at SRI anyway, with Keith Harry and a few others.
		Yes, you do do a form of time travel.
		Yes, you can go backwards and forwards in time because what you're doing is an out-of-body experience.
		And I think your listeners are more familiar with the concept of near-death experiences, which is a form of an out-of-body experience.
		The difference with this, of course, is remotely, you don't have to be near clinical death to have it happen.
		But in near-death experience work, the work of Ray Moody, as well as more so Kenneth Ring from the University of Connecticut, shows that people do have precognitive experiences, which have been very documented as a result of these near-death experiences or out-of-body experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, from your point of view, this validates your work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a different approach, but the same general thing.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But not only that, but I'm also commenting on him that he's correct about the research, that remote viewing isn't just going from point A to point B now currently, but it also can you can go back and forward in time, and it would not be inconceivable to review the Kennedy assassination or the Lincoln assassination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm still kicking myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I meant to ask him who did shoot from the front, but slipped my mind.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		The man who said duck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, my theory on the Kennedy thing is we're never going to know.
		I mean, it just doesn't matter.
		There are so many theories piled on theories now that one more, even the absolute truth, we'd never know it if it hit us in the noggin.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, in 1978, the House Committee on Assassinations conceded it was a conspiracy.
		They just didn't, they just locked it as is.
		But they did acknowledge, you know, 17 years ago that it was more than one shooter, if you will.
		So that really is not even a consideration.
		The question is, is that, you know, the evidence has been so tampered and lost brains and arrogance of the governments claiming national security for their cover-ups, as they had with the UFO research and others, is that we're never going to know.
		I mean, we can't get to the material until, what, the year 2039 or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is the first time I've heard the president's brain is missing.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		No, I've heard that before, too.
		That's been around, too, but the point is that, see, we couldn't know what could document that because you can't get into the particular location to find it out.
		It's not open until the year 2029 or 2039, so therefore all you heard were rumors in some men's room in the Pentagon somewhere, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'd be a lot easier for me to assimilate that remark if it referred to a contemporary president.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, we could do remote viewing.
		It wouldn't make a difference.
		But see, remote viewings are also relevant, too, because what happens is the title of your show, Dreamland, you see, when you deal with dreams, every time we have a dream, when we go into the sleep cycle at night, the REM cycle or the fifth phase of the five-stage sleep cycle is a dream, what we call dream level, which really is a form of an out-of-body experience.
		So Billy, every night we go through remote viewing when we go to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I want to ask you a question.
		Sure.
		I have, because of the nature of the work I do, I do Dreamlab Sunday nights.
		Then I do an all-night show during the week.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		All right.
		When I get off the air at 4 a.m. Pacific time on coast, the adrenaline's pumping.
		You know, I've been drinking coffee, sitting here and smoking cigarettes, doing politically incorrect stuff all night.
		And so I'm pretty hyped up.
		About two hours later, I generally try to go to sleep to get a couple, two or three hours' sleep, so I'm up during the middle of the day and I can conduct a little bit of normal business.
		I have discovered this particular period of sleep is very troubled, subject to constant dreaming and nightmares, frankly.
		And then my sleep later in the day is just fine.
		Now, I take it that I'm in and out of a very shallow area of sleep because no doubt of the chemicals in my body, all the coffee.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, also because of the length.
		See, more importantly than that, yes, that's true.
		But that would be equivalent to somebody on a more normal, quote, normal or regular life cycle who maybe go to bed at 11 o'clock and maybe drinking coffee at 9 p.m. or something and then goes to bed two hours later.
		But your problem here isn't so much the chemicals, although I don't recommend those as an ideal way for sleep, but your problem here is you're only getting, what, two or three hours of sleep?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right, yes.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		So that's only at the most two complete sleep cycles.
		That's the one and one and a half.
		That's the worst part.
		You get your most rest when you go into your third or fourth sleep cycle, not the first or second one.
		So that's the way the problem.
		Secondly, you have to superimpose when you do coach the coach, which is basically a new show, you're not exactly dealing with the all-positive hour, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's true.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You're dealing with a lot of negative stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		And so therefore, you're, this is like when people, before they go to bed at night, when they think about the reason why most dreams are actually mini nightmares, and in fact, we call them night terrorists, there's all kinds of things that happen at night.
		The reason why people wake up more burnt out than when they went to bed and more neurotic, by the way.
		You'll notice most people, as they get older, get more neurotic, not more positive, is because they program themselves before going to bed with all the worries and frustrations and anxieties that they're fed, unfortunately, mostly by the media, but they're also their personal lives too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this really is more important in your negative programming than it is to coffee or even any other things that you might be, you know, well, I only mention the chemicals, the coffee and the nicotine, because I think they produce a very shallow sleep that's kind of in and out in that weird little area between wakefulness and sleep.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But also if you had, for example, if you had, say, six hours of sleep rather than two hours, you'd find a big difference.
		Because by the time you get most of your REMs are actually piled up in the latter part of the sleep cycle, not the beginning.
		So really you only get maybe 15 to 20 minutes of REMs if that, out of that, which is not enough to emotionally cleanse you.
		And that's why you'll be more hyper, more uptight, and more just, you know, depersonalized, so to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a serious type A, as you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's, you know, that also contributes to it.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You bring up a good point.
		Yes, I definitely, no one's ever accused me of being of the type A personality.
		And I will acknowledge that, as I have publicly, for 20, some years.
		However, this is the other factor here.
		When I go to the East Coast, if I'm doing like a TV interview in New York or Chicago, what I will do is I don't like to take a day off and travel.
		I will always take overnight flights, the red-eye flights, as they call them.
		And what I do is I don't sleep on the plane.
		I can sleep anywhere.
		But what I do to rest myself and not have to waste over time, because the five-hour flight is really not enough for a full sleep cycle, I will just go into an alpha level.
		I will use self-hypnosis.
		I will do like a superconscious mind tap, as I call it.
		I will do a self-hypnotic experience for maybe about an hour and a half, which is equivalent to about six hours of sleep, because every minute in hypnosis or alpha is equivalent to three or four Earth minutes.
		And therefore, I get all the rest I need without having to be unconscious for most of the time and without having to have the full eight hours or seven hours that I would normally get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do that?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, self-hypnosis.
		It's very simple.
		In fact, we've mentioned before, but we'll talk a little bit tonight about how I have tapes.
		I have a self-hypnosis tape, which is a series of them.
		But any of them, in the beginning, give a certain post-it, not a cue, which will allow you on a very, you know, if you use a tape maybe for a week or two, to actually condition yourself within 30 seconds to get yourself into that alpha level.
		And then you can just simply just stay in that alpha level and just...
		All right, very simply, for somebody who's a novice, who has no formal experience, and who have not worked with, you know, most people who work with my tapes, they have never seen me in Los Angeles here.
		So what I would very simply do is have them take a deep breath and hold it for the count of, say, five or six or so.
		Let it out slowly.
		Take a second deep breath, maybe hold it for a count of ten.
		Now we're neutralizing their breathing.
		And then I would have them think of something pleasant, it doesn't matter whatever they consider pleasant, a mountain scene, a cave, whatever they like.
		And then just simply repeat, not a matcha so much, I don't like that, but something that, some number or code word or something that they find familiar that's relevant to them, that can help them block out the needless maniacal thought that they may have had prior to that.
		And then when their breathing is neutralized, once they're conditioned with a post-hypnotic cue, then they're going to enter into a little deeper phase of that alpha level, the daydream state, the natural level that we go through for four hours during the waking day and three hours at night.
		And then they can simply allow that to recharge.
		As people would do when they meditate or do yoga or do biofeedback or do any of the other alpha level techniques.
		Then they can simply use that to just program in positive thoughts or just use it to just tune out the world and to recharge themselves without allowing themselves to be exposed to the negativity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so this would work, for example, after I've been exposed to a night of news.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You could be exposed to having tea with Saddam Hussein.
		It would work.
		It doesn't matter where you are.
		What makes a difference.
		Remember, now, I'm not saying for you to tank up on the coffee.
		The coffee really isn't that relevant.
		Unless you drink like 20 cups in an hour, it really isn't as important as is the frame of mind that you're in prior to your trying to go to sleep.
		And also what your mind is thinking of nationally, if you can't tune out those negative items on the coast to coast or any of the news shows, you know, all the stuff you're fed in by the wire surfaces and all the other material you get, then you're going to have problems in trying to neutralize all that.
		Because what you're going to be doing is like the person who, it's sort of like the wide receiver in football who runs before he catches the ball and drops it.
		You know, his mind is thinking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, this is very important, Doctor, because we're in a day and age where we get stories about people cutting women open and taking their babies, you know, in Chicago, near Chicago, that kind of thing.
		I mean, it's just by the day you think it cannot get worse, and it does.
		So the technique you describe could be very valuable.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, as a matter of fact, I use it myself because, you know, in my office, most of my patients are what you would consider, I would consider to be average, say, middle-class people.
		But I have patients, women, who have been abused sexually, sexual harassment on a job.
		I've had people who have been brutalized by the police department unnecessarily.
		I see patients in my life.
		They don't come to me to break about how great their lives are.
		I see negativity and a lot of very degenerative behavior or victimizations, if you will, on a daily basis.
		And I tune it out by simply using these techniques.
		In fact, I trained them to do that.
		Because people who do live in situations that they cannot change, it's a matter of how they respond to it.
		If they don't use these techniques, they're going to wind up either on a lot of medication or in some place with rubber walls for their all right, Dr. Goldberg, stand by just a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back to you.
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		All right, again, I'm going to bore in on this.
		Dr. Goldberg, question for you about dreams.
		How is one to delineate, or can you, between a dream that involves something, some sort of precognition or some viewing of something that occurred in the present or past and absolute random firing of synapses that result in some sort of weird story that scares you or makes you happy?
		In other words, a ridiculous made-up in the brain dream.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, first, one of the keys that I use is naturally the history of you having these.
		If you have a dream, or let's just say a content dream, that is repetitive, that you're getting over and over again, that is by all definition, even my harshest antagonists and critics will admit, that's the subconscious mind trying to tell you something.
		Now you're looking at the accuracy of it.
		Obviously, if you have a history of these, they're repeated and they come true, well, you've got a good ratio.
		If it's just a one-shot deal, then I wouldn't worry too much about it.
		Let me show you a scientist who actually did this to show you how we talk about remote viewing.
		One of the biggest names in remote viewing is Russell Targ.
		He used to be at SRI.
		Russell Targ in the early 80s, he wrote a book called The Mind Race with Keith Harry about his work up there.
		What he did was when he left SRI, because he didn't like the government getting there, grubbing their little hands on Department of Defense mostly, and controlling the projects, mostly for negative uses, of course.
		They were trying to train CIA agents to go into remote viewing to Moscow and pick up the secrets from the behind closed doors there.
		Well, what he found out was that after he left it, he used this technique himself, and this was written up in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
unidentified		He did the remote viewing to go into the future.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		This is a time concept again.
		And he found out Silver Futures results.
		He won $100,000 and made $100,000 on Silver Futures on a way very different than the way Hillary Clinton did with other ticket views.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're talking.
unidentified		But he did.
unidentified		He did it.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It was reported about 1986 or 87 in the Wall Street Journal of all places.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It was fully documented.
unidentified		Rehush.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, really, absolutely.
		This is an absolute fact.
		And so therefore, this confirms a couple things.
		One is that he used the technique, obviously, to materiality benefit, but to also show how accurate it was.
		Plus, he also shows here how remote viewing can give you a precognitive or future information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you tried it?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remote viewing?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, remote viewing, I call it progression, you see.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It's really the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Rose by any other name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My question was, are you able to do it?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
		In fact, as a matter of fact, I'll give you one of the best examples of it that I did.
		In 1990, it was around Christmas time of 1990, and I did one of my age progressions going into the future of this current life on my current frequency, which we'll discuss a little later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, we're at the top of the hour.
		So let's break off here and pick this up right after the news, which is coming up next.
		And during the break, we'll have a little private conversation about the price of gold.
		Look, if you want an autographed copy of my book, the window to get it is very narrow.
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		Or something.
		Give me an Eryctoscale past which there will not be a quake.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going by what my patients tell me.
		Now, I don't ask my patients to rick their readings.
		This is what they're saying, and this is what I'm saying here.
		I'm saying that there will be no earthquakes of a greater magnitude than 7.0 in California in a populated area that will cause property damage and death.
		That you're hearing by everybody else reading.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Until the year 2050.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what my patients are telling me.
		The big earthquakes that occur, and then this is only on one parallel universe of which there are different options, so we can change that too, is the year 2050.
		Earthquakes that hit Los Angeles and San Francisco, and by the way, New York also in the year 2050.
		This is what I reported in Past Buy Future Lives.
		This is what patients have told me.
		I don't psychically read those.
		They are what people have told me.
		I don't see those.
		That's what patients have reported to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
unidentified		And we will so record that kind of group.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's a group prediction.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's call it a statement that is made by several different sources, actually hundreds of them, over the last 18 years of people who do not know each other or have had or do have any contact with each other now.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		That's what we call corroboration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is what we call it.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's take a couple calls, shall we?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Dr. Goldberg.
		Hi.
		Yes.
		Where are you calling from, sir?
unidentified		This is Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hi, Mike.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I was wondering with these future progressions and so forth, is this an effective way to maybe scar some technologies in the future and bring it back?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it is, because, you know, most scientific discoveries, if you look at them, have really come from dream levels.
unidentified		And people have used this.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Tennison used it.
		Da Vinci used it.
		You name it.
		Einstein did it too with his mentality with the theory of relativity.
		So yes, you can do that.
		And with all the online cyber maniacs and everything else going on, people can look upon the 21st century, 22nd century, and there are and beyond.
		Or even going back to going ahead to 20 or 30 years and actually pick out technology in their respective fields if they want and use it.
		I have no problem with that.
		People have done it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I have done it.
		Now, let me tell you what I've done, Doctor.
		It's very interesting.
		I'm an electronic nut.
		I've enjoyed electronics all my life, became a ham at 12 years old.
		And I have been fixing electronic gadgets all my life.
		And I'm a madman when it comes to it.
		In other words, I either fix it or break it beyond any possibility of repair.
		And I'm that kind of madman.
		I keep going at it until I get it.
		That's right.
		That's right.
		And many times I've worked on something and worked on it, worked on it, spent the whole day on it.
		I'm pounding on walls, hitting my head on the wall, and going nuts.
unidentified		And I finally give up and I say, damn it, that's it and go to bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the next morning, this has happened many times.
		I wake up and I know what it is.
		I know exactly what was wrong and I go straight to it and fix it.
unidentified		Now, you're dealing with exactly what Thomas Edison did.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		There's an old story about Thomas Edison that's been corroborated many times.
		What he did was he knew right before falling asleep, he'd have his greatest insights, but of course he'd fall asleep and not remember them.
		So what he would do, he would lie on his couch in his house in New York somewhere, and he would have these metal balls like beauty on the bounty gear in his hands, and he would have a metal plate placed right just under where his hands were.
		When he was just about to fall asleep, he'd drop the metal balls into the pan, wake himself up, take that brilliant idea, and invent the light bulb.
		That's a true story.
		He did that to do motion picture, camera, a projector.
unidentified		He did it with light bulb.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		He did it with dozens and dozens of other inventions.
		So right before going to sleep, into your dreamland level, so to speak, you have your most profound intuitiveness, your most profound scientific predictors.
		Did this really progress?
		What you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he had known Dr. Goldberg then, could you have put him in an alpha state during wakefulness and maybe today we'd have a better light bulb?
unidentified		And we'd have the exact location of who killed JFK.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Goldberg, stay right where you are.
		I want the facts are just pouring in on this earthquake business.
		Yes, I know, folks.
		We all heard it from various sources.
		And it is odd.
		Here's just, I'll give you a sample.
		Regarding the mystery earthquake the other night, I too was very curious.
		I too heard the report of a magnitude 8.5.
		So got into the internet to the usual Art Bell Listener websites and gave me, and here is the following from USGS.
		And it is not recorded here.
		And he goes on, either there is a strange cover-up going on, can't figure out why, or possibly Reuters and everyone relying on them, like ABC, made a typo of the magnitude, and or are trying to ignore it and hoping nobody notices.
		So yet we don't know whether it was misreported or reported accurately and is simply being shut up right now.
		We have no idea.
		And this is not normally the case with earthquakes, so who knows?
		Back to Dr. Goldberg.
		Are you there, Doctor?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
		I'm in the Sack How and Islands.
		I have made it.
		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		They're lined up like crazy to talk to you, so let us do it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
		Hi.
		Yes, my name is David, and I'm calling from Murphreysville, Tennessee.
		Yes, sir.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to ask Mr. Goldberg a question.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Sure, David, good.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Do you suppose see any earthquakes in the Tennessee area?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You understand?
		I don't see earthquakes.
		My patients report me the materials.
		I don't have, from my materials and from my progressions with patients, Tennessee has never come up with earthquakes at all.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		The East Coast asked me was the East Coast, the only things that I have heard have been, interestingly, New York.
unidentified		And that's not going to be for 55 years.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You're okay.
unidentified		Okay.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You may also get a football team, too.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You're okay?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's out in Nashville, I think it is.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Fritz from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Fritz.
unidentified		I'm a firm believer in regression.
		There's a lot of evidence.
		There's no question about it.
		That the phenomena of hypnotic progression would spread you through so strongly the last 10 years.
		Dr. Goldberg, come up with a headliner for the next six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's good.
unidentified		Come up with a headliner.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Let me give you something that I reported in Past Five Future Right.
		There's a newscaster who is now at actually ABC New York, who was in WBAL in Baltimore years ago in the 80s.
		And he read out news items that would go on.
		He did a noon talk show, which is the first half of the news show.
		And he read off news items a week before they occurred, and he read off nine of them.
		And these were items that were not major national items.
		These were like a small plane crash, a fire in the city, a car accident at a certain part of the beltway, as they call it, in the Baltimore area.
		And six of those nine came true.
		He even got the name of the person who was killed in the fire.
unidentified		Why don't you send something into the Tremeline show and big kick platter?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Let me say the problem here.
		I'm asked this a lot.
		You can imagine every time I do this, I get people calling me with, you know, I'm going to Santa Anita, you know?
		Well, can I have a gold stock or something?
		Here's the problem.
		Number one is that when people report that, yes, I don't doubt the accuracy, but the problem here, and this is where we have to spend a few moments on this, there are some things called parallel universes.
		If you get, for example, the proverbial lottery number and you're on frequency number one, and there are five major frequencies, but there's an infinite number mathematically, but to keep it simple, let's just consider them as five.
		And you get the lottery number on frequency number two, but you're on frequency number one, it ain't going to happen.
		It doesn't mean it's not right.
		It means that it's not right in the parallel universe in which you're in.
		The universal laws, the karmic laws, state that you can't cheat the system.
		If you're supposed to know something, you'll know it.
		If you're going to use it for strictly capitalistic or materialistic gain, and you're not supposed to, you're looking for the easy way out, it's not going to happen because then you wouldn't grow karmically.
		Why be on the earth plane?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then let's keep it out of the capitalistic, materialistic realm for a second and stay with Fritz's question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, give us a good headline in the next six months, a year, somewhere in there.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I don't do that because I'm sort of like when you asked earlier, Linda Howe, about the no private research with out-of-body remote healing as the result.
		I don't do research.
		I do clinical things.
		When a patient of mine tells me, Doctor, and I'm really concerned about whether she's going to meet Mr. Wright or whether she's going to get fired from her job or whether her kid's going to get tuberculosis.
		That's what I do in progressions.
		I don't say, oh, by the way, can we forget about your personal problems while you've come home?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Let's read off what's going to happen to the LA climate next week, Harry.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I don't do that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're helping people at a personal level.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I'm a clinician, not a researcher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
		Hi.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		All right.
		This is Diane from Oceans Pike, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Diane.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Diane.
unidentified		Hi, Ruth.
unidentified		How are you?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Yes.
		I am a prophetess, and I am very prophetic.
		I'm in LA Times, San Diego Union, USA Today, and the Blade Citizen.
		I saw Dr. Goldberg in March of this year, and he is an excellent doctor.
		He is excellent.
		He told when he did the Past Life Regression on Me show that I was a high priestess back in the Egyptian days.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I remember that.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		Yes.
		And that also I was a singer, a lawyer, and also a duty.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You may have known Art.
		He was the electronic expert of ILP.
		He was the one who caused the blow up in the last time it went down, but that's beside the point.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		I just went up to Washington, D.C. here recently and was at United Nations conference.
		I'm also known as a visionary.
		And when we had some speakers up there, you know, FDR, they spoke about FDR, and of course, Eleanor Roosevelt.
		And FDR was clairvoyant.
		And I saw several things as speakers were speaking there.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a question, Dan?
unidentified		I beg your pardon.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a question, yeah?
unidentified		No, I just wanted to tell Art that I had seen you and that I use there are definitely parallel universes.
unidentified		I do use your tape, Doctor, and the ones for relaxation and also for the going into a trance, I do that.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Superconscious mind is the main one, right?
unidentified		I beg your pardon.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Superconscious mind tape.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		We appreciate your call.
		And East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Was that Diane Feinstein?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
unidentified		Oh, who is that?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It's as if I can't give you a lesson.
unidentified		Is that Diane or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, we protect the last names of the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What could we do for you?
unidentified		I said she was a prophet.
		Okay.
		First, I want to make a comment on the quake.
		I looked it up in my Rand McNally, and Sackler Island is located at the northern tip of Japanese.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we know where it is.
unidentified		Yeah, well, that's like COVID.
		That sounds like a good place to have, you know, where the earthquake would be.
		It doesn't sound unusual.
		But I was just thinking, maybe the Russians have an unquestioned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, do you have a question?
unidentified		Or maybe just as unimportant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question?
linda moulton howe ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my question.
unidentified		Dr. Gobert, everyone talks about the devastating New Mexico quake.
unidentified		Could you give us your prediction on that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, all right, thank you.
		You don't predict, do you?
		No.
		Not that kind of prediction.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I can predict this call as ended up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		Her question went to absolute naught.
		And she's obviously not been listening, or she would know that you were not doing those kinds of predictions.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Bonnie from Clear Lake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Bonnie.
unidentified		I happen to think that Brad Zeiger and Gordon Michael Scallion are blessed, and I think this Mr. Goldberg is a charlatan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Dr. Goldberg.
unidentified		Had him on again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Goldberg.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, Bonnie, I appreciate your response, but again, everybody's entitled to their opinion.
		I think in five years you'll find out who's right.
		Simple as that.
unidentified		Yeah, but you're taking the voice of some patients.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I'm taking the corroboration of thousands of patients in 1977.
unidentified		And was born again.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		We'll find out.
		Just be patient.
		I'm a very patient man.
		I waited, well, I started doing this in 1977.
		That was 23 years before the year 2000, so I can wait another five years.
unidentified		Well, I have bad feelings about you.
unidentified		I don't like you.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Bonnie.
		Thank you.
		We appreciate that.
		Yeah.
		Hold on, Dr. Goldberg.
		That's what makes the world go round.
unidentified		I don't like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not exactly a fact-based challenge.
unidentified		Coming to my mind, there's a principle in science that has fairly recently been brought to light.
		And I hope you'll forgive me.
		I can't think of the term that is used for it.
		You'll probably recognize what I'm talking about.
		It's when the examiner or the scientist affects the results just somehow by his presence or quantum physics, of course.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Quantum physics or quantum mechanics is what we say is that there is no, we can't test things the way we'd really like to because your consciousness actually affects the results even if you if you don't observe something it doesn't exist is what it says.
unidentified		There you go.
unidentified		So when you're sitting here with your patient and you're getting information from them, you are also involved in that information, right?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Very profound, very accurate, very profound thing.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		That's actually true.
unidentified		And there's no way to really know how to separate and purify which is which.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course not.
		This is why, you know, but I appreciate what Art, who is a good friend and really is one of the best interviews I've ever had.
		I'll tell you right now, I love you dearly.
		But at the same time, when you ask those questions, I have to simplify this for the average audience out there.
		I'm not dealing with an engineering or a quantum physics convention where I would speak very differently.
		But here, I have to try to get to the mass public who doesn't have the same background that I have or maybe even you have if you've done the reading here.
		And so I can't speak always in the form of the quantum foam and the black holes and the white holes and all these little things.
		You know, you can't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but let me follow up.
		Make it simple for the audience, as you just suggested.
		There was a study, Dr. Goldberg, about clinicians who interviewed young children about sexual abuse.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was absolutely remarkable regarding the injection of the interviewer's questions and thoughts and ideas in formulating the responses they got.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is what we're talking about.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're talking about like a false memory syndrome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it relates to what we're talking about.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But that's very different because false memory syndrome, and that's like leading the witness in court.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is that, for example, if you and I, since you're an electronic expert, or aficionado, and I'm sure your listeners will relate to this, let's say you were doing a friction physics experiment.
unidentified		Okay.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		And you were just watching it now.
		Somebody else was doing the experiment.
		And you were sitting in a chair 15 feet away from it where you could have no effect at all, the dials, whatever's going on, the variables.
		You're just watching it.
		If you turn your head away and don't watch the experiment, somebody else does, your reality is different.
		You're not looking at that experiment means you haven't observed it.
		In reality, that experiment didn't happen.
		That's what quantum physics says.
		Actually, it proves it mathematically.
		You have to observe it for it to be a reservation, but in reality, in your mind, you have not created that reality and you have created Yeah, but there's a delay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We must delineate between the physical sciences and the kind of science you are talking about.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		This is a physical science.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Quantum physics is a proven hard science just as electronics and just as physics and just as medicine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I was relating the possibility false memory syndrome into it or the injection.
		We're going to have to hold this until we get back.
		It's a very interesting path to follow, as a matter of fact.
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		Back down to Dr. Goldberg.
		Doctor, we kind of left off at the top of the hour in the middle of this.
		In other words, I was asking, and so in a way was the caller, whether or not, as a clinician, you in effect, at times, consciously or even unconsciously, and I'm sure you've mulled this over, lead a patient.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can speak for myself.
		And in fact, you know, when I take, I do a lot of, as you know, television interviews and radio interviews where I do live regressions on the air and live on tape on television.
		And what I do is, and I love doing that because it shows that it's like, you know, it's like being in court in a way.
		I do not ask leaning questions.
		In fact, I will say, where are you?
		What do you perceive?
		I don't say, you're in 1820 in an English carriage right now, aren't you?
		That's leaning.
		What I do is I simply say, where are you?
		What's going on?
		What do you see?
		What do you perceive?
		What's happening?
		And I just ask them the questions and they give me the answer.
		So in reality, now, am I thinking, am I tuning into them psychically?
		I'll tell you right now, no, because I never get any visions or any intonations of what a patient is going to tell me.
		Patients very often will read my mind.
		In fact, telepathy is one of the characteristics of a medium-level hypnotic trance.
		I can tell you right now, I do not see auras.
		I don't have a silver veil over my eyes.
		I don't have any experience other than strictly clinical, just asking the questions and, of course, doing what we call the superconscious mind tap where I'm training them to access their own higher self.
		Because the purpose of what I'm doing here is really empowerment.
		That's why I dislike a lot of the other approaches that are very codependently oriented.
		Here, what I'm doing is train the patient to be totally independent of me in the shortest amount of time and to go on with their lives and actually to create and maximize their own destiny in the shortest period of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say you can do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've done that on television, right?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, you can do it on radio also?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but you see, I have to be in the same room.
		I can't do it on the telephone.
		I have to be in the same studio with someone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I couldn't let myself do that.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, I tell you, actually, you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I couldn't.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		If I work with you, if I was in the same room with you, if I was in Kerrumpt or if I was in wherever you're doing the studio now, if we were in the same room together, but I'll tell you what I'll do.
		I'll tell you something that I will do.
		Think of it as a Christmas present.
		I will send out in tomorrow's mail a cassette album that I have with all my tapes, with regression, progression, out-of-body experience, soul plane ascension, age regression, etc.
		I will send you a complete series of the tapes, which you can use yourself in the privacy of your own home.
		You can use it on one of your fancy radios that you advertise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that I might be able to do.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Seriously, you can do it by yourself, and then you can have your own experience without anybody watching you.
		There's no performance pressure.
		You can do it whatever you consider to be quiet.
		And you can do it.
		In fact, the magical, the number of the universe is 1-800-KARMAR4U.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well that's your plug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do people get your tapes and stuff at that time?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		What they'll do is if they call 1-800-KARMAR4U or 1-800-527-6248, I'll be happy to send them an information which will describe all the tapes.
		Plus, your listeners, I will send a free self-hypnosis exercise, a little pamphlet, which will train them to guide them into their own hypnotic experience and they can have their own level of relaxation that we talked about earlier.
		And of course, I'll send them information about the tapes, the Past Lives, Future Lives, the original book, and the Search for Great new book about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got some karma for you.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Okay.
		This is from Rob.
		Art, I'm a longtime fan.
		You've had several of my friends as guests on your show.
		I spoke with Dr. Goldberg on the phone about one or one and a half years ago, made an offhand remark that his work sounded very much like that done by my friend, Chet Snow.
		Dr. Goldberg flipped out big time, said Chet was, I'm not even going to repeat it here, and did not have a doctor's degree, blah, blah, and then hung up on me.
		You remember that?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't recall the person himself, and I do not hang up on people, but I do recall I've had a number of calls over the years.
		Again, probably, you know, maybe a hundred of them in reference to Chess No.
		And when people ask me, they seem to be offended or taken aback if they're a fan of his.
		When I tell them something, but I was told this when, I didn't know this until last year.
		Last year at this time, on December 2nd of last year, I was on the other side.
		NBC called me to do the show, The Other Side, which is now defunct.
		And the producer of the show, a very nice gentleman, really, really knew this field and knew my career very well.
		He read Past Life, Future Lives in detail because he was quoting line and verse.
		And he told me that he was associated with the Association of Past Life Research and Therapy, of which Chet Snow was an officer in.
		I think he was former president.
		And he said, did you know that we were going to have Chet on this show, but we had you instead?
		And I said, well, that's fine.
		You know, it doesn't matter because Chet was in Paris at the time.
		And he said that, well, the reason why we didn't want to have Mon is because of his credentials.
		And I said, what do you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First-time callers call area 702-727-1222.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		And I checked it out because, you know, the producer's a nice man, but I want to make sure it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The bottom line is you're feuding with him.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not that I'm feuding with him.
		It's just the two problems I have with him.
		Number one is I do not like people giving false credentials.
		I think it's a real problem.
		If you have a real degree, fine.
		If you don't, don't say you do.
		Number two, in his book, I have a lot of problem with the book, definitely, and the work, in the sense that he never mentions the parallel universes in the book, and his book is very gloom and doom.
		It would make a lot of very cynical people very happy.
		But he also, if you read his book very carefully, you'll find out that Chet Snow is the person who brings the Christ entity into as an extraterrestrial in the year in the 21st century in his next life.
		And I've got a real problem with that.
unidentified		I really do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is also something I quit.
		Okay, this is something I've got a real problem with.
		Whether it's in your field or if it's in ufology or it's in parapsychology or wherever it is, there's a lot of feuding going on out there and a lot of jealousies and a lot of people who are upset with each other and regard each other in ufology.
		For example, the ultimate smash is when you're finally unhappy with somebody, well, he's a CIA agent.
		Inevitably, people will say that.
		So why is there so much feuding going on out there over this kind of thing?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a question of the I don't remember.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		This is why the disadvantage I have is I don't remember the quote because I get hung up to quote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It seems generally.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But the problem I have, if you're talking about just his work itself, the problem I have with his work is that his work is based upon a I wouldn't say it's a false hypothesis.
		The way he presents it, if you read his book, the way he presents it is one, no choices other than his one option.
		He puts himself into research, which is the worst thing a scientist should ever do.
		In fact, if you do that, you're not a scientist.
		It would be like me trying to be involved with a patient personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, you're back on Dr. Snow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I asked you a more general question.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		About feuding, you mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm answering.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're always going to get, I mean, a difference of opinion.
		For example, I disagree with the statements that are made by, for example, Scallion and some of the other psychics.
		I'm not saying they're entitled to, I'm a First Amendment activist.
		They can say what they want to.
		What I'm just saying is that, and I'm taking the risks because I'm risking my reputation by saying that you're going to find in the parallel universe that you and I are on that their prediction in reference to the Army Gevin mentality, whatever combination you want, is simply not going to happen.
		What I'm simply saying is that wait five years and you'll see who's right.
		But the reason you'll have differences of opinion is because if you have differences of opinion in any field, the problem is not the difference of opinion.
		Actually, that makes our intelligence and our society.
		What the problem is, is that if a person's opinion or the way he presents him or her work is based upon either a false hypothesis or is based on an unscientific approach, then I'm going to definitely have problems with it because I'm a scientist.
		And there's a big difference between a psyche doesn't have to follow scientific disciplines, whereas a scientist does.
		And there's a big difference there.
		But if a colleague of mine, who is supposed to be a scientist, does things that are very unscientific, then I have a problem with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's hold it there for a moment.
		And let me move on to another question.
		This is by Facts from Red in Santa Rosa, I'm sorry, St. Rose in Los Angeles, I guess.
		The question is, how do you feel about UFOs?
		What are they?
		Are they real?
		If so, where do they come from?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, as a matter of fact, I have a lot of work done with UFOs, and do I feel they're real?
		Absolutely.
		In fact, in Past Lives Future Lives, I report UFO experiences in both past and future lives.
		As far as the explanations of them, one of the things that I find very interesting, and then right now I can't prove it, but I'm a great follower, if you will, or believer, if you will, of the work of Fred Alan Wolfe, who's a quantum physicist.
		And what he says, and he puts this in his book, Parallel Universes, which is an excellent book, it's a Prentice Hall book, 1988, is that the reason why we have so many problems documenting the UFOs is, again, of course, the presence of the observer phenomenon, but also he feels that, and I agree with him, it's a possibility,
		that if the UFOs are in a parallel universe, you see, and then they come into our, they cross over the space-time continuum, if you will, they enter into our parallel universe, then if we have one of our little jets up there chasing them at 900 miles an hour, and then all of a sudden they disappear on the spot of a dime, which is physically impossible by our laws, maybe they're going into a time warp into a parallel universe, which is why we can't follow them.
		And I very much agree with that.
		But getting back onto the aspect of UFOs, are the UFOs?
		Well, I have tons of patients.
		I've done about 75 major abduction cases.
		If you just deal with abductions, if you deal with UFO sightings or just cases from past or future lives, I have thousands of them in my files.
		And these are from very credible patients.
		So I am, if anything, you could chalk me up on the plus column for UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very interesting.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
		Hi.
		Yeah, hi, Art.
		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Calling from Wichita, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wichita, Kansas.
		Oh, out there in the middle of the country.
		All right, great.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Dr. Goldberg.
		Hi, I hope you weren't the past life of Wyatt Burp.
		No, I don't believe so.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		He lived in Wichita.
unidentified		Go ahead.
		Yeah, he originally did.
		Very interesting hypothesis on this parallel universe.
		I don't quite understand, though, how we can speak with someone or communicate with someone in a parallel universe if this is a linear type progression of the subatomic particles and the way they're breaking.
		Well, it's a good question because remember now, let me explain something.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Parallel universes were discovered in Princeton University in 1957 by a man named Hugh Everett III who was working on his doctorate in quantum mechanics, which is what people call quantum physics.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Now, what it says is that, you know the term matter-antimatter?
unidentified		Yeah.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that term really means that if you have a chair in parallel universe number one, and of course it would have an equivalent chair in parallel universe number two, if those two ever touched each other, you'd have kaboom, you'd have an explosion.
		So you obviously can't touch physically each other because you would explode it.
		You'd cause a demolition of it.
		But you can get images or you can have like, think of it like a television signal, like this monitor, like what Art was describing with scallions, the three monitors in front of them, that kind of thing.
		If you're getting, you can get information.
		You can get alpha waves or electromagnetic radiation, which is what our soul is, and what a television signal and radio signal is.
		You can get that without, that's not going to cause an explosion.
		So you can get information from parallel universes.
		What you can't do is take the Sylvania back.
unidentified		Right.
		Well, my question, I guess, is the parallel universe theory, the way I understand it, says that there is an infinite number of realities.
		In other words, an infinite number of universes.
		Therefore, how could a person in, quote, this reality possibly know or communicate with the infinite?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, he doesn't have to.
		For example, when I do progressions, I obviously agree with the infinite mentality, but I just can't have the patience and say, keep on coming back for the next 10,000 years so we can lay out all your frequencies.
		Because what people come to my office for me for is that what they'll do is I'll lay out the, they'll lay out, I'll ask them, I'll guide them into the progressions, and they'll lay out their options, and then they'll choose their ideal future, therefore custom design their own reality.
		That earlier calls in Diane from OceanSight was an example.
		That's what she did earlier this year.
		But what I'm saying is that what I have found out is that although there's an infinite number, there seem to be five major categories.
		Each category has millions and millions of subsidiaries to it, but you don't have to deal with them.
		All you have to deal with is the major categories, and then they can choose either one, two, three, four, or five.
		So I just try to keep it simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Doctor, hold it right there.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Dr. Bruce Goldberg is my guest.
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		You there, Doctor?
unidentified		Yes, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're rocking west of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		I'm calling from Vancouver, Washington.
unidentified		My friend's going to turn down the radio right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's good.
unidentified		Pardon me, I'm getting over a cold here.
		About the earthquake, going back to that, I called, I can't believe nobody thought of this, I called the little TV station here, Channel 8, and I asked them if they had any information about the earthquake.
		I hadn't heard anything.
		They told me that the Japanese Geological Survey people said it was a 5.8.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a reverse of the 8.5.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's sure in the way it broke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I could give you six examples of major U.S. press that got it as an 8.5.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we can do some remote viewing on dyslexia.
unidentified		Yeah, just like those videos.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
unidentified		Yeah, and for Dr. Goldberg here, I'm surprised, I have to say this, I'm surprised as a scientist, I do follow Gordon Michael Scaling, of course, and I've listened to our Bell show for a while, that you were talking about Gordon Michael and his predictions, but you have never researched his stuff.
		I guess you don't know then that he does talk about various dimensions.
		He even goes up to seven dimensions.
		And I think it was two or three months ago in his Earth Changes Report magazine, he discusses the different dimensions and the way they will change in the future.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		What I was referring to was on July 15th of 94, he was on Encounters.
		And what he was talking about was, of course, the map, of course, the famous map was on there and this and that.
		But his whole mentality was prepare for the worst, start packing away the canned food.
		There's not much we can do about it, and it's going to be a major Armageddon before the year 2000.
		It was mentioned as a soundbite over and over again during his interview.
		And that was seen by, you know, well, it's Fox, but it was seen by probably 10, 15 million people, which is a lot more than his readership in his newsletters.
		And that was my concern because that also coincided with the ancient prophecies and the NBC stuff and some of the other stuff that has been gloom and doom oriented over and over again.
		You know, every time one of those shows air, I get the calls, you know, because people know that I'm the positive one here.
		And I get the calls to people going through almost major depression and anxiety disorders because they're afraid that their life is going to end.
		I had a patient, a former patient, who called after seeing one of those shows and was going to move out of the state because of the airing of the encounter show.
		Okay, but I have a responsibility to try to say, look, please calm down just like, you know, just sit down a minute.
		This is not necessarily going to be the reality.
		So what I'm saying is that there doesn't seem to be a counterbalance.
		On the Encounter Show and on the Ancient Prophecies, they didn't have a counterbalancing aspect.
		It was basically gloom and doom and just look at it and suffer and let's see what the ratings are.
		They weren't balancing out with people like me on it, and that's the problem I have with a one-sided opinion.
		It was all negative.
unidentified		Okay, two things.
unidentified		What does only get mean?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm just referring to the biblical reference of the world ending and whatever the, of course, I'm not trying to get into the theological aspect of the Antichrist because I'm not calling into all that.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I'm just talking about the major calamities of the geophysical disasters, the earthquakes, the tornadoes, the floods, the major, major geophysical disasters that will significantly impair civilization, as we know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the other hand, though, biblically, Doctor, it does describe such events prior to the return of...
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But the point is that even Nostradamus, when he talks about his form of an Armageddon, even he talks about how going into the year 21, something after a major nuclear war, which of course didn't happen because it was supposed to begin in 1988, according to Nostradamus, it made, that it was a very positive, beautiful world, and the 21st century was beautiful, etc.
		Even he says that, which the Bible does too, after the Armageddon, so to speak.
		People don't get that.
		All they get, this is the calls I get.
		You have to be from my perspective.
		The calls I get are people who are shaking on the phone.
		Their voices are hoarse.
		They're sitting there looking for their Prozac, you know, and they're saying, Doctor, my life is over.
		What am I going to do?
		I don't know if I can see you.
		You may be the last person on the earth I say this to.
		I mean, when I hear that, I see myself, I've got a responsibility here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Arizona.
unidentified		I have one more question, Art, for you.
		Very quickly.
		Have you heard anything about the recent chamber that they discovered underneath the Sphinx in Egypt?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard a great deal about it.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Yes, I have heard.
		And I heard that there was a portion of the chamber that was damaged in the recent earthquake in Egypt, by the way.
		That one, there's no argument about the reporting on that one.
		Actually, the earthquake was in Israel and damaged a portion of its chamber in Egypt.
		That much I know.
		Back in a moment from an area near what's called Dreamland, Area 51.
		This is Dreamland.
unidentified		This is Dreamland.
unidentified		The Coast A with our heartbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here again I am.
		Boy, talk about something that is hard to put your finger on.
		I've got a fact here from somebody else who sent me a USGS report that is now reporting the earthquake originally reported as 8.5, that's 8.4, excuse me, 6.4 at a depth of 33 kilometers in the islands of KURIL, Kyrgyz, I believe, islands of the former Soviet Union.
		So I've had this now reported at every magnitude under the sun, literally under the sun.
		And they do indeed report it as 6.4.
		So I have no idea what to believe.
		Somebody called a little while ago.
		I'm sure you heard them in set 5.8 and thought it was a case of dysseya.
		I have no idea what Booth is.
		You will hear the original reports on the Coast show that it's going to repeat if you get it following this program this morning.
		Absolutely incredible.
		Nothing short of incredible.
		GMX.
		Hard water?
		No problem.
		GMX.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		A report being a pure light being.
		Extraterrestrial, by the way.
		That's how they originally were trapped in the karmic cycle by sort of like not doing what they were supposed to do.
		But it's a very controlled kind of experience.
		I describe a chapter of this in Past Life, Future Lives, about a light people experience.
		But it's a very, very, it's almost like doing a past life aggression in a glass bubble.
		It's very controlled.
		It's censored.
		It's a very, very difficult experience for the patient.
		Not harmful, just that's hard to get information.
		But it's very extraterrestrial because this will go back a million or two million BC, if not before.
		And some of your listeners out there may have had dreams about that, where they were some sort of light being, so to speak, not communicating with an extraterrestrial who was, but they themselves were, and that would be what we call the light people regressions, which are infrequent but do exist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, try this fact.
		Let me read it to you, then you react.
		Art, I'd like to ask your guest what his feelings are about the difference between seeing the future and creating it.
		It is my experience that when I see the future, there's a great amount of latitude in believing in the foreseen outcome and choosing to change it, if only through our own thoughts.
		My personal feelings are that if disasters are to occur, it will be because we have all, in effect, voted for it with our thoughts and emotions for various reasons.
		You get what you concentrate on.
		And he gives a note at the bottom, there is an upcoming ABC program on remote viewing, and I'll have to watch for that.
		Very good.
unidentified		There's also an NBC movie for television on UFOs on Monday night, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'll tell you, it brings another good question, Doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whether it's your field or ufology or whatever it is, we are being, now I've been doing this show for years, or a show watching, but we're being all of a sudden inundated.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as a matter of fact, well, of course, you know, the media mentality is if the conscience keeps doing it until it dies out.
		But I wrote you in that little fact I sent you earlier that I did a taping for the Gabrielle National Talk Show, talk show, and the topic was angels, and they had me on because I also am an expert in that.
		And it'll be added to a couple of lease in which I'll be talking about some of my patient cases who had angelic experiences in dreams, and they actually manifested to, in one case, a woman saved her mother's life by using the information that her angels gave her.
		But going back to the question, which is a very good one, in reality, what that person is saying is exactly what I'm saying, as well as what quantum physics says, is that there is no certainty out there.
		Your mind does create reality.
		The thoughts, our thoughts are electromagnetic radiation.
		That is the wavelength of what we call the soul or spirit.
		It's like a TV or radio signal.
		That's what electromagnetic radiation is.
		And in fact, as I gave you the example before about the friction experiment, if you don't observe it, it doesn't exist.
		That's what we're saying.
		So when patients come to see me here in Los Angeles, what I do is I help them lay out, or I ask them the right questions in trance to have them lay out their future alternatives, and then they can choose and be programmed for their ideal options.
		So if your life is miserable now, and a lot of listeners out there will fit into this category where there are a lot of things going on in their lives that are not happy, it doesn't mean that you have to suffer in this space for the rest of this lifetime or for eternity.
		You simply have to get your act together by accessing your higher self, perceiving the other options out there, retraining your mind so that instead of thinking about your cup being half full or not a drop in it, your cup is overflowing, so to speak.
		And that's the empowerment and the optimism.
		And that's why I always go against the gloom and humans, whether it be in economics and politics or in the metaphysical field, because what they're doing is sending out the energy that says, hey guys, life sucks and then you die.
		And I've got a real problem with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if enough people think life sucks, then you die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could become reality?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		For them, but not necessarily for me or anybody else who doesn't buy that routine.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You see, I create my own world, and I'm not deluding myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		David Koresh, down at Mount Carmel, did he create his own Armageddon?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, basically he did.
		I mean, you know, he sort of like went out with a flame, you know, I mean, but yeah, you create your own.
		I mean, so did Hitler, and so did, you know, Florence Nightingale.
		I mean, create her positivity.
		You can do whatever you want.
		My point here is that what people assume is that, you see, the reason why television is used so much to brainwash people, it's a great, great brainwashing medium, because people will buy whatever you put on television.
		If you put it on long enough, if you market it right, it'll sell.
		It doesn't matter what it is.
		The greatest inventions of society, the greatest technological improvements, every one of them was laughed at.
		People would say, get a horse when the car was invented about 100 some odd years ago, right?
		The light bulb was laughed at.
		Everything was laughed at until all of a sudden, 20 years later, people say, you know, I don't know how we're living without this device.
		And the point here is that to be the pioneer in the field, for example, you talk about all the metaphysical things.
		18 years ago, when I did progressions, when I would do TV interviews, 1980, producers would say, listen, Doctor, you know, your work is a little weird.
		We like you, but your work is a little weird.
unidentified		So you can talk about some regressions, but please don't deal with progressions.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's a little bit too hard Now let's say, fine.
		Now we just ignore them and talk about progressives.
		And people seem to like it at the same time.
		Now, everybody wants to do progressives.
		Now, that's why NBC called me last year for everybody, why?
		Because it hasn't been done before.
		I mean, at least nobody, you know, my Pressbooks Speech Live was the first book ever written on progression therapy.
		And basically, so people, it's something new, but it's also empowering and interesting enough, although I don't think it has the media's orientation to it.
		The reason I like this field so much is not just because it's new and improved, but because it is empowering.
		It does give the average person out there.
		You don't have to be a celebrity.
		You know, you can be an average person out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, don't ask me.
unidentified		Keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Aldit.
		If there are any number of possible parallel universes, then when you progress somebody, an individual, you are reading but that individual universe, are you not?
		Or are you reading something that will be collectively true?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		No, it's individual.
		Because, for example, like here's a good example.
		Let me give you a great case.
		It's a case of a woman years ago when I was in Baltimore.
		She was working for a public relations firm as a secretary.
		She was sexually harassed by a boss who gave in to him because he needed a job.
		She looked like Adrian from Rocky One, you know, mousy-looking, and although, you know, so she had weight problems, she was smoking, everything in the world.
		Now, as it turns out, she goes into the future of this life by about four or five years.
		She sees herself buying into a radio station in Florida, looking differently, having a completely empowered life.
		And she goes, Doctor, this is about the greatest fantasy trip I've ever had, or what's going to happen?
		I said, look, it's a reality.
		Let's check it out.
		So as it turns out, I don't hear from her.
		Six months later, she leaves.
		She doesn't call me back.
		Her number disconnected.
		I hear from her a year and a half later.
		She says, I moved to Florida.
		I want to come home for Thanksgiving, and I'd like to see you and just talk to you and update you with my life.
		And I said, fine.
		She comes into my office.
		She looks totally different.
		She looks like a model now.
		She's a beautiful woman.
		She lost weight.
		She stopped smoking.
		She quit her job.
		She did buy into a radio station.
		She ran her own public relations firm.
		Everything she told me, or just about everything I could think of that was verifiable in her progressions, all came true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then maybe in Gordon Michael Scallion's world, California does fall into the ocean.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		And people who follow him, this is the problem I have, and people are located.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All those people who follow him, they fall into it.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It's just like the Poseidon event.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		When they follow the doctor, they wound up drowned, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Bruce Goldberg.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, I have a question for the doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, where are you?
unidentified		Lubbock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lubbock?
unidentified		Love it?
unidentified		Have you ever done a past-life regression where the person has been someone in the time when the Bible, when the stories in the Bible were written?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, I've done people who I've done regressions more New Testament than Old Testament.
		I don't know anybody who hung around with Moses or Abraham, but I do have work with people who were around and asked people after you saw Christ crucified.
		So the New Testament stories are much more relevant to what people have reported to me in past lives.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well then, was Christ crucified in all past lives, Doctor, or just some?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, this is where we, in reality, see, we don't know the answer to that.
unidentified		The theoretical basis here is that it's not necessarily in every single parallel universe.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't killed in every single parallel universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I'm trying to do is cause you trouble here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if the future is variable, then why is not the past?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		The past, actually, is that the problem with the past being changeable is what quantum physics says, and they prove it by very complicated mathematics equations, is that the more observable the event, as in the media, like everybody covered the Lincoln assassination, as well as the Kennedy, then you can't change that.
		Whereas the future, by our definition, is not observed, therefore we can change it.
		So there are parallel universes in the past, too, but because events are observed, and the more observed they are, the less you can change them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, look, hello, look, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off.
		That is number one.
		Get that radio off.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Where you are, and your Social Security number, too.
unidentified		So where are you calling from?
unidentified		I'm calling from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
unidentified		Doctor, first of all, I just want to let you know that I'm in our enjoying this show tonight.
		It's incredible.
		And I want to ask the doctor if you could describe the process as quickly as you could of what goes on between you and the patient.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, okay.
		First of all, the process of hypnosis is you can identify driving in your car in the freeway or highway and being in a daydream level where you pass by exits that you have done on routine trips and not realize where you are but not get into an accident.
		Then you can relate to what hypnosis is like at the daydream state.
		What I do with the patient after I explain what I'm doing first, I get a history from them, what their goals are, and then I describe the techniques that we're going to be using with them, and then I guide them into the initial hypnotic level.
		Then we'll do usually an age regression and past life regression on the first session.
		And then we'll follow it up with super conscious mind taps.
		And then we'll end this therapy with doing progressions into the future of this life.
		And if the patient is interested, we go into future lives, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get all that?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And I just wanted to make one more quick, quick comment.
		I found it very interesting when you were talking a little while ago about how possibly there could be a bias of the scientist to the observable phenomenon and relating natural science to social science.
		There's a book that I'm reading right now that talks about that exact thing.
		It's relating quantum physics to other types of social science in the process of testing and how social science theory is such a participatory bias.
		So I thought that was...
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		They don't have the same rules that physics and chemistry and medicine and pharmacology do.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But the point is that even when you take a really ultra-hard-nosed science, like physics and let's say biology, if you will, it doesn't mean anything because if I'm not there to watch you dissect this vlog when you were in high school, it never happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor.
		Hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Dr. Bruce Goldberg is my guest.
		And another number for you is Dr. Goldberg's, his tapes, his information, all the rest of it, 1-800-KARMA for you.
		That's an easy number to remember, right, Doctor?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You can also write to me at 4300 Nakoma N as a Nancy A-T-O-M-A Avenue in Woodland Hills, California, 91364.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The number is what everybody's going to remember.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 1-800-KARMA for you, right?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		1-800-527-6248, which is 1-800-KARMA for you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Huh?
unidentified		Huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, sir?
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Wichita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wichita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, now I do not dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you do.
unidentified		Yes, you do.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		You would be dreaming for three hours a night or you would be a corpse right now.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't remember them, but I think he goes to rest for eight, three hours a night.
unidentified		Well, as a child, I can remember dreams.
		I have not remembered dreams in probably 30 years.
		Okay, I have a hard time going to sleep also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Now, insomnia is a big issue, and there is a tape I have which is also on how to very simply, very naturally guide you into very natural sleep, because you have to deal with these.
		If you have insomnia, you automatically are very compromised in your emotional and energy cleansing of your day-to-day life.
		Insomnia is a real no-no.
		So it's very simple to get rid of.
		I mean, it is absolutely one of the easiest things I deal with.
unidentified		Well, once I go to sleep, I can sleep, but like I say, it takes me an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		It shouldn't take you more than 20 minutes.
		It takes more than 20 minutes to fall asleep than you have type 1 insomnia.
		If you wake up in the middle of the night or every hour and a half or two hours during the REM cycle, that's called type 2.
		And if you wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning and you can't get back to sleep, that's the worst type.
		That's type 3.
		Those are all very negative to your emotional growth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I've been all three of those.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		But you have a weird handle.
unidentified		You're violating every rule in the world of biology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It'll probably get me.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		San Diego, all right?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Through your studies, what is the most unusual dreams you have encountered, and what made you get into the field of dreams?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Well, the most unusual dreams were the light people that I mentioned earlier, about people who were pure light as extraterrestrials, and this was their first life on Earth.
		And they were so restricting and so difficult for the patient that I investigated those a lot further.
		And about 5% of my regressions are light people regressions.
		The dreams themselves simply came up as a subsequent side effect to doing the past life regressions with my patients in the waking state or the hypnotic level.
		Only after I started doing it and developed the practice that people started saying, you know, Doctor, I had this weird dream of me in, it looked like I was in a grouped outfit during the Battle of Troy here.
		And then I started correlating the dreams, the sneak previews, and then, of course, doing a lot of reading and research with the precognitive dreams, the out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, the idea of psychic dreams, if you will, precognitive as we call them, and the idea of lucid dreaming, which is a whole other topic, too.
		That also came up as a result of doing the work.
		You really can't do this field and be an expert and not deal with dreams because it's part of everything.
		Any psychotherapist, if they don't deal with dreams in some way, they're just missing the boat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		East of the Rockies, not a lot of time.
		You're on the air with Dr. Goldberg.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ruby in Missouri.
unidentified		I'd like to ask Dr. Goldberg a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		Just a second ago, you said David Koresh created his own Armageddon, correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I asked, and he confirmed, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
unidentified		My question is, do young children who are severely and profoundly abused create their own child abuse?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good question.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a very good question because everybody chooses their own positivities and negativities in life.
		So, yes, those children who are killed by Koresh and children who are abused by some stepfather or father or uncle or whatever are definitely choosing that.
		That doesn't make it okay for the person to be the perpetrator, but, yes, there are no, quote, victims that don't choose that.
		is to train people to not accept the victim mentality, and that's called empowerment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's absolutely incredible.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Because if you're empowered, you won't choose to be a child who's sexually abused.
		You'll choose to be a child who grows up in somewhat of a Donna Reed lifestyle, you know, and not what goes on today where something like the predictions are 25% of women under 18 have been sexually molested, which, you know, I have a problem with those figures, but it's a lot.
		And it's way too much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the ones that have brought it on themselves.
unidentified		Right.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Just as people who are dying in a car crash or a plane crash or a military operation or dying by some maniac on the road who doesn't...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When a 747 goes down, which it hasn't, thank God recently, and there are 500 people on board.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		Every one of them chose to die.
		Every single one of them.
		You choose the moment of death.
		Based upon not only my research, but also my colleagues from the field will tell you that too, is because comically, the rules of commerce is that, see, the rules of commerce say that you really do have complete control over your destiny, and that's the only incentive to be a quality citizen and to empower yourself.
		Because if you had no control, then nobody would give a flying food, and everybody would just go killing each other and just breaking all kinds of laws because they wouldn't have to pay for them.
		If you choose them and have to actually make amends to everything that you do, that's the ultimate karmic justice is the ultimate law of the universe and the ultimate, the only way we can actually keep our society and our civilization act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Fascinating.
		Doctor, we're out of time.
		I'm sorry.
		It has been wonderful.
		You know, we'll have you back again, and we sure have ended at a fascinating point.
		Doctor, thank you.
bruce goldberg ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
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unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This has been Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
		Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not patched.
		Yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.

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