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Oct. 30, 1995 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ghost to Ghost 1995

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unidentified		Call our bell, toll-free.
		West of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies at 1-800-825-5033.
		1-800-825-5033.
		This is the CBC Radio Network.
		Welcome to Ghost to Ghost A.M. I'm glad to have a little spirit for the night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to be with you, everybody.
		I'm Martell, and we'll be here all night long.
		Nothing but ghost stories.
		The ground rules are simple.
		You tell the story.
		We'll listen.
		But it's got to be a real one.
		Heaven knows, is it heaven?
		There are plenty of them out there.
		And going back now to a caller, my first caller, I might add, on WJR in Detroit.
		And I just, you know, you said your radio station, sir, covers 38 states.
		I just got a fax from somebody.
		Said WJR 760 from Detroit is coming in here, gangbusters, and he sends the fax from Birmingham, Alabama.
		His name is Ron.
		So there you are, all the way down in Alabama.
unidentified		You can get in Detroit, Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Detroit, as we all know, is the center of some pretty strange activity upon Halloween.
		And I know there's a lot of volunteers out in your streets tonight trying to keep things quiet.
		I assume so far they are quiet.
unidentified		Well, they haven't been too bad.
		I just had to go outside just to, my wife said she heard somebody parking out front.
		Great.
		And it's like we had a car stolen out front two days ago.
		It's not the best neighborhood, but then again, it's not the worst.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got a way to keep people inside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear last hour the Bigfoot sound I played?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did, huh?
unidentified		I saved my dogs.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've got something else I want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If there's anything that'll keep the people in Detroit inside, try and imagine this outside.
unidentified		listen carefully now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How'd you like to meet something like that out in the middle of the street in the middle of the night?
unidentified		Well, you know, I think I just heard that a few minutes ago.
unidentified		My wife's eight and three-quarter months pregnant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope she stays that way.
unidentified		Yeah, matter of fact, we were almost going to have the baby today being Halloween, but we're going to have it tomorrow.
		Well, I hope I didn't bring anything premature.
		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, have you ever seen anything you could not explain?
unidentified		Well, yeah, I had a, probably about 20 years ago, me and my brother and sister got together and we decided we were going to get out the old Ouija board and have a seance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And, of course, the first person you call up from the dead is George Washington, and nothing seemed to happen, and all the lights were out in the house.
unidentified		And then my brother decided that he was going to call Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really poor idea.
unidentified		And next thing you know, we heard a gust of wind, and the front door, we had a vestibule at the front of the house, and just a flimsy door, and that swung shut.
		So it would have taken an action of somebody pulling it or suction, you know, a really strong breeze or something to shut the door.
		Sure.
		And we got startled and we ran over there and didn't see anything.
		And we flicked on the light and the light didn't work.
		So we went to get a light bulb.
		We put it in and we had like a two by four carpet in the vestibule.
		And the impression left on the carpet was the trident, the devil's spear.
		You know, the pitchfork.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes, I know.
unidentified		And nobody would have had the opportunity to do it, and they would have had to do it in the dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you something, and I'll tell everybody else a brief story, which I sort of said I was never going to tell again.
		But that's a good one, sir.
		Thank you.
		And thank you, and we shall always remember you, by the way, as caller number one from Detroit.
		What is your first name again?
unidentified		My name is Casey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Casey.
		Casey from Detroit.
		Brother, thank you.
unidentified		Well, it's good listening to you, Art, and I'm sure you're going to get a lot more listeners from Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		Yeah, good to be on the air there.
		Well, when I worked in Las Vegas, and for a number of years I did the program in Las Vegas from the Union Plaza Hotel, it was called at that time.
		And one night when I was doing a show, this very night, as a matter of fact, a lady called up and claimed to be a witch.
		She gave me some very, very disconcerting information, personal knowledge, which I actually bleeped off the air.
		It was so personal, I couldn't believe that she could possibly, possibly know these things about me.
		And toward the end of the call, she said she was going to come and leave something for me.
		Well, She left me a Ouija board.
		An ancient, ancient, ancient Ouija board.
		I have never, nor will I to this day, tell you what has happened to that Ouija board.
		But when you call upon spirits, when you call upon the dark side, and you do it with something, an instrument, it does not matter, you'd better be damn careful what you're doing.
		Ouija boards are an opening.
		They're an opening into a world where there are things that you may not really wish to meet.
		So my advice to you, without telling you the detailed story of this board, which is frightening, my advice to you is do not play with Ouija boards.
		It's like opening a door, and you just don't know what's going to walk through.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hello, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to get into that phone and yell at us.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		How's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm much better.
unidentified		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Spokane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spokane, Washington.
unidentified		KPA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mighty KPA.
unidentified		You bet.
unidentified		I have a story for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		Doozy.
		About a year ago, I was staying at a friend's house up in Newport.
		And we were sitting down in the basement, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And we were sitting there smoking cigarettes and talking back and forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing guys' stuff.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I was sitting there and I was watching my smoke from my cigarette go up and all of a sudden I seen a face kind of appear into it, you know, the smoke going up into the air.
		And I asked my friend, you know, do you see it?
		And he's like, yeah.
		And it smiled kind of and then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It smiled?
unidentified		Yeah, it just smiled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I could understand people blow smoke rings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could even understand blowing a face, but I can't understand it smiling.
unidentified		Yeah, it just kind of formed into a phase.
unidentified		It was the strangest thing I've ever...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it smiled at you.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's better to frown.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happened to it then?
unidentified		It just kind of dissipated really slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's weird.
unidentified		He's told me about stories about seeing things in his house before, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you then a little story.
		I have a photograph.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I have a photograph of a ghost.
		A real ghost.
		It might be a wonderful night for some of you to get this photograph.
		If you have a computer and a modem, we've got a bulletin board service, and you can go in and get a photograph of this ghost.
		Actually, there are several ghost photographs.
		Oh, by the way, my guest this last Sunday on Dreamland sent me a photograph of a tornadic ghost.
		I don't know if that's a word.
		But it is obviously some sort of plasma material at the top of a staircase in the shape of a tornado.
		Now, down toward the bottom of the tornado, it's translucent.
		In other words, you can begin to look through it and see the stairs.
		It's the damnedest thing you've ever seen.
		I'm going to get that one up on the bulletin board for you as soon as they send it to me to scan.
		I've got a scan of it right now, but I want to be able to scan it myself at a higher resolution rate.
		If you want to see a ghost, there is a man in Arizona who was a stone mason.
		He built stone, you know, he did basements, and he did a wine cellar for a fellow in about a hundred-year-old house.
		He was very proud of the work that he did, and when he was done, he took a photograph of his stone masonry work.
		It was beautiful.
		Only thing is, when the picture came out, quite clearly, a translucent being appeared in the photograph, and it was captured very, very well on film.
		And we have published this photograph in our newsletter.
		And I might add, I've got it on our bulletin board, so if you want to download the picture of the ghost, you can call area code 702-727-1709 24 hours a day.
		Let me give that number to you again.
		702-727-1709.
		And if you're able to download with ZModem protocol, you can download a photograph of this ghost.
		You take a look.
		There's a face, there's a body, there's arms, there's legs.
		It's a ghost.
		It's clear.
		It's in color.
		There is no mistake about it.
		There's some sort of spirit, some sort of entity in that photograph.
		And you're welcome to download it and take a look for yourself.
		We do a lot of that.
		We try to make some of this material available to you so it does not all have to be the theater of the mind.
		That's what radio is.
		I want you to be able to see what I see so that you can see that I'm not totally crazy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Aaron calling from Los Banos, California.
		Hi.
		Hi, I have a really good ghost story I wanted to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let her go.
unidentified		Okay, this story happened in 1951.
		It was given to me by my father, and it happened to his cousin named Norbert.
		And he was at a movie theater in Morgan Hill, California.
		And he was leaving, going towards San Jose.
		And there's a stretch of road they call Monterey Highway that they called the Blood Alley.
		And one night after the movie was done, he was heading home to San Jose heading north.
		Sure.
		And he was going about 45 miles an hour in his old car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the road, by the way.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And there's a little highway.
		And while he was going up there, he saw this beautiful young-looking lady on the side of the road and walking really slowly.
		And he kind of slowed down, and he was looking over at her, and she had a beautiful white dress on, and she was looking down.
		And he slowly passed her.
		And he looked in his rearview mirror, and he saw her.
		And he slowed down a little bit more, and he was going, you know, 15, 10 miles an hour.
		And for some reason, he got a really nervous feeling inside.
		And he slowly sped up because he was scared.
		He didn't know exactly what it was.
		And if it was something different, he got a different feeling inside.
		And, well, he said that he was sped up a little bit.
		He was going about 35, 40 miles an hour.
		And he happened to look back again, and it didn't go any further away.
		It wasn't leaving.
		And that really started getting nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you mean the lady in the white dress was as close to him?
unidentified		Yes.
		As it was the first time he saw her.
		And he really started getting nervous.
		And, well, he put his foot on the pedal and got up to about 55 miles an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And he looked in the mirror, and it wasn't any...
unidentified		It was getting closer to his car on the passenger side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many, sir, that have died on that road.
unidentified		Yes, very.
		There was a lot of fatal accidents back in the 50s and earlier on and later on also.
		And as he got up to speed, he started really stepping on.
		He was frightened now.
		By this time, he was really frightened.
		He was going tipping the car out to, I guess, 70, 75 miles an hour is what he said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be my reaction.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		He was really moving now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm the let's get out of here kind of person.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		And he looked in the mirror this time.
		And he looked in the, as a matter of fact, he didn't look in the mirror.
		He looked over to his right side where his little side mirror was, you know, to get a better picture.
		And, you know, the worst thing possibly happened that he thought would happen.
		And there was a white dress floating next to the car.
		And when he looked at the window, he said he saw a face of a skeleton with white straw hair looking at him with its mouth opened.
		And he was so frightened that he could not believe it.
		He slammed his brakes on in the middle of the road.
		It was late at night.
		In the middle of the road, slammed his brakes on, you know, closed his eyes as tight as he could, said a prayer.
		And when he looked back, it was gone.
		He turned around and went back to his mother's house, which was about 20 miles the other way, and didn't go look back at all.
		And he went home, and he told the story and told it to the whole family.
		And as far as I know, he never went down that road again, if he could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These things change your life forever.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		It's one thing to tell them.
		It's another to really experience them.
		When you do, it changes your life forever and ever.
		Because it does not matter what anybody else believes or chuckles about or laughs about.
		If you experience something like that, you're never, ever going to be the same.
		Although we eat food every day, we take for granted the process it goes through.
		Well, you should not.
		This is Digestive Tract Commercial 101.
		Digestive Tract 101.
		You see, in your digestive tract, there are bacteria.
		Or there should be.
		They're not bad, they're good.
		What they do is convert the energy, the nutrition from the food, and send it into your body so you feel well.
		They eliminate the poison.
		Now, if this bacteria should die, that's bad.
		Then the opposite occurs, and your body gets poisons, and you get rashes, and you get sick, and it's not good.
		Now, there is a way to correct it.
		And, you know, let me tell you something.
		It's called Natron's Healthy Trinity.
		Now, what kills that bacteria?
		Antibiotics, bad diets, alcohol, drugs, stress, even basic aging.
		You know who takes it?
		Dan Marino and a lot of other players on the Miami Dolphins take it.
		You know why?
		Because they take antibiotics, and that kills the bacteria.
		And then they just, you know, they're not ready for a good game.
		So they take Natron's Healthy Trinity.
		And you can, too.
		You can order it by calling 1-800-992-3323.
		It restores, you see, your body's natural balance.
		Whatever has killed it, Natron's replaces it.
		1-800-992-3323.
		In a world gone crazy, it's kind of nice to be able to relax, put on some music, and just let it all go.
		That's what higher octave music does for me with artists like Cusco, Neil John, Shaheen and Zapaire, Craig Chiquizo.
		It's music that takes you to a very nice place and then lets you down easy.
		Their current offer is absolutely terrific.
		Neil John, Craig Chiquizo, and of course, Shaheen and Zapear.
		Their albums, Beyond the Thunder, Acoustic Highway, and E as in Ecstasy.
		You've heard me play this cutting-edge music on the show.
		Now add it to your collection.
		You know the great prices they offered on Tuesday?
		Well, they're back.
		Three terrific CDs, $39.95 or $27.95, if you prefer the sets.
		Call the people at the Hierarchic Music label directly at 1-800-562-8283, 24 hours a day.
		Remember, mention my name, whether for relaxing or exercising or getting together with good friends.
		This is the music, and you've got the number.
		1-800-562-8283.
		That's 1-800-562-8283.
		Higher octave, the name for 21st century music.
		All right, my recommendation is turn down the lights if you have the guts to do it and listen carefully.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Dennis from Vancouver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Washington?
unidentified		Yes.
		All right.
		Let's see.
		I've got a ghost story.
		Well, sort of a ghost story.
		Almost a ghost story.
		Almost a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Almost a ghost story?
		Look, that's like being almost pregnant.
		Either you're a spirit or you're a physical entity.
		It's one or the other.
unidentified		Well, let me explain it and go from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then maybe I can tell you.
unidentified		I was up in Yosemite, you know, National Park in California.
		Yes.
		And doing a Ouija board.
		And yeah.
		There were, I guess, about 10 or 12 people in the room.
		There was only two of us on the board.
		The other people were standing around watching, contributing their energy.
		And we got something that came across as being negative.
		I don't necessarily want to say evil, but definitely negative-oriented.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you want to tell us what it was?
unidentified		Well, it wouldn't give us a name, but the impression that I have was that it was something higher up than just an ordinary demon.
unidentified		It was very strong, very intelligent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, was this manifesting itself simply through moving on the Ouija board and spelling things out?
unidentified		That's the way it started.
		We were asking questions of it.
		At first, we didn't know that it was evil, but having done the Ouija board for several years prior to that, we've learned to ask appropriate questions to determine whether it's a positive or a negative entity.
		And after having determined that it was a negative entity, we were going to stop, but the rest of the people in the room wanted to continue because they were fascinated.
		So we went ahead and continued with it, which of course was our mistake.
		After a while, it told us to turn the lights off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and you listened, right?
unidentified		Yeah, we turned the lights off.
unidentified		We turned the candle on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I lit a candle.
		Lit a candle.
		I'll tell you what.
		I'm coming up on a break.
		I want you to hold this story for the break, all right?
		Okay.
		All right, stay right where you are.
		We will shortly be back.
		You're listening to an annual event called Ghost to Ghost AM.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		Put your seatbelts on, everybody.
		It's going to be a rough ride.
unidentified		I have to be breathing and it's right between some machines on top of the night.
		Thank you.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Top of the morning, everybody.
		Good to be here.
		It's Ghost Stories and Ghost to Ghost all night long.
		Tywan, let me take care of business here at the beginning.
		Then we'll jump back into how's that?
		Clear sailing, right on up, or would that be?
		Broom riding to the top of the hour.
		For the past several months, North American trading, months, almost a year, they've been telling you about the new currency.
		Well, it's here.
		$100 are going to change, $100 bills first, then the other denominations will quickly follow.
		And currency is changing.
		That's all there is to it.
		Now, there are at least three or four ways this new currency will affect your savings, your investments, just about all the holdings that you've got.
		They've got a wonderful offer for you.
		All you need to do is call them.
		It is a free call, and they will send you free information.
		Now, I'm telling you this, they sell gold.
		It's really a very tricky ad because when you read about what's going on in the economy, buying gold is going to seem a naturelle to you.
		So you don't really, you know, they don't have to sell gold.
		It sells itself after you read this information.
		But the info is free.
		So call them.
		1-800-877-9799 is the number.
		1-800-877-9799.
		The name of the company, once again, is North American Trading, and they're more than happy to do business with you.
		But right now, all they want to do is send you free information.
		In a moment, there'll be more.
		Folks, I've got on the line with me Dr. Greg Cinemone, who helped to originate the amazing 18-hour phonics game.
		I've been telling you about this.
		It helps children.
		It helps teenagers as well as adults learn to read, understand, and comprehend better.
		Greg, what got you started in this endeavor?
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you, I'm like a lot of people, I think, are, where I tried another phonics method with my own kids.
		I have two school-age kids.
		I'm also a school therapist and did a lot of testing on kids as they're preparing to enter education.
		And our kids read horribly in our society today.
		In fact, here in California alone, we placed dead last in the nation, tied with Louisiana, in reading And spelling and grammar.
		In fact, last year alone, 20% of all high school graduates could not even read their high school diplomas.
		And so, what got me interested in the phonics game is that we're in a mess here.
		And if we don't turn this around and figure out how to get back to basics, which is teaching the 44 sounds of the English language to our children and our teenagers, then I don't know where it's going to stop or where our kids are going to have to end up before we get back to the basics of education.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, whenever America is compared to any other industrialized country, we always square at the bottom of the heap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are kids and adults having problems reading and spelling?
unidentified		Well, it goes back to what they call whole word reading.
		And we thought we knew what we were doing when we switched over about 40 years ago to the spellers, C, Jane, run, C, spot, jump.
		And what we didn't realize at that time, and we're just now starting to get it, was that was the wrong way to teach kids and teenagers to read.
		And we're getting back to phonics.
		Now, tests are proving this out.
		The phonics game is the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Greg, I've seen it.
		I've seen the phonics game, and I've talked to people who absolutely are in love with it.
		Tell everybody how they can get it.
unidentified		It's a fun solution to a tough problem, and the way to get it is 1-800-211-READ.
unidentified		1-800-211-READ, and the first 25 callers are going to get a free comprehension game and a free syllable game with their order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, everybody.
		I'd suggest that what Greg has laid out before you right now is an opportunity to teach young people and adults how to read, spell, and comprehend better.
		That number again, Greg?
unidentified		1-800-211-READ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't go wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Greg.
unidentified		You're welcome, Mark.
		You're welcome.
		Please allow me to introduce myself.
		I'm a man of worth and taste.
		I've been around for long, long years.
		Stolen many a man's soul and faith.
		I was around when Jesus Christ had his moment of doubt and faith.
		From the moment that I heard this, I realized it had to go on tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Back now to our story, and I'm sorry we interrupted you, sir.
		You're back on the air again.
unidentified		Oh, no problem.
		Let's see, where was I?
		It asked us to turn the lights off, so we lit a candle, and we did turn the lights off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bad move.
unidentified		Yeah, well, we found that out the hard way.
		We continued speaking with it for about a minute or so.
		Yeah, it.
		Unbeknownst to us, back behind the group, towards the corner of a room, a light started to form just in the middle of the air.
		It started off real small, but it was real bright.
		It was actually lighting up the room.
		The room got real cold, real fast.
		There was no bad smell or anything, but it was quite cold all of a sudden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be enough for me.
		Now, what I want to know, first of all, before you continue, is I'd be out of there.
		I mean, in a flash.
		I'd be out of there.
		Light begins to form where there ought not to be light.
		The room gets cold.
unidentified		That'd be all I'd need.
		Well, since my friend and I had been doing it for, you know, on a semi-regular basis for a couple years, you know, we were fairly fluent, at least up to that point.
		We hadn't, you know, gotten anything that strong before, but we pretty much knew how to deal with it once it got to that point.
		You know, my friend started getting sick to his stomach.
		I started getting a little bit of a headache.
		So we stopped with the board itself and basically moved back away, relaxed ourselves, started saying some prayers, started, at least I started imagining a golden light around myself, which is what I consider a protective light.
		And went from there, and we just left the board alone, and the light did fade.
		We turned on the room lights itself, and the light just faded out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's good.
		There are a lot of people who would say to you, you should have been praying in the first place, not messing around with the Ouija board.
		Well, because you know what can happen, sir?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can bring something like that into this world or across from wherever it comes from, and you can put your Ouija board away, and it won't matter because it's in.
unidentified		Right.
		Right, yeah.
		Once it's done its full transformation crossover, yeah.
		But we managed to stop it in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what would you advise people out there about Ouija boards?
unidentified		Well, first of all, there are several good books out there.
		If you're really determined to use one, read the books on it first.
		The best thing to do is to, you know, one of the most common questions, if you get a negative-oriented spirit, one of the most common questions that it will ask is, can I come in?
		And never think that it's referring to coming into the room or into your home or whatever.
		When it's asking that question, it's wanting to come into you.
		And you always say no.
		And if you get a question like that, I would suggest that you stop and don't mess with it anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kidoki, thank you Very much for the call.
		There are many out there who probably ought not mess around with this kind of thing at all.
		It's very serious, it's not a joke.
		A Ouija board is simply an instrument, in my opinion.
		Now, it may be a particularly powerful instrument, but you can invite these sorts of forces in with or without a Ouija board.
		And my advice to you is don't do it.
		Like an unwelcome in-law coming to visit, it might not leave.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Top OD morning to you.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		This is Jeff.
		I'm calling from Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Denver, yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cahow, I imagine?
unidentified		Yes, and I have a true fact story that I can relate to you about spirits, ghosts, or whatever you want to call them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Letter rip.
unidentified		I was living in an apartment complex, and a guy came over to me.
		I met him just inadvertently.
		And I was working in the legal field, and he asked me to check out whether or not his wife had been married before.
		And I did that, and I gave him information, and he came over to my apartment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had she been?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just want to know.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, it was Big Me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, my.
unidentified		He was married to her for 10 years, and she never got a divorce.
		So he came over to my house.
		He was crying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I took him over to his apartment, tried to calm him down, and he went into a rage.
		He started tearing telephones out of the wall, breaking lamps, tables, etc.
		And then he came at me like he was going to attack me.
		He got right up close to me, and he fell down, and he started to convulse.
		And I thought, well, this guy has epilepsy or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And then he jumped up again and did the same thing again and went down like someone hit him in the head with a ball bat.
		And it was frightening.
		The hair on my head went up.
		His eyes were rolling back.
		He was foaming at the mouth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying it was like he was in combat with some horse.
unidentified		I don't know what was going on, but what I can say that really frightened me was he was speaking out of his own mouth and cursing me and doing all this.
		But there were multiple voices coming out.
		Sometimes there were one, sometimes it sounded like two or three or five or six.
		And then he stopped breathing and the guy was foaming at the mouth and that.
		I went down, I checked his pulse and all that.
		I had to give him CPR, get him breathing again, and I had to run over.
		He pulled the phone out of the wall.
		I had to run over to the neighbors and ask them to call the cops.
		And then the cops, the fire department, the EMTs, all of them came over.
		They took him off to ER.
		And I thought, well, you know, when he was talking to me, it just, it was horrible.
		It was something I can't even explain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you think he was possessed or was he being beaten by some outside force?
unidentified		Well, all I can say is there were voices coming out of his body when his eyes were rolled back and he was foaming at the mouth.
		He was writhing on the floor.
		And sometimes it sounded like one person talking.
		Sometimes it sounded like five, four, you know, whatever, talking.
		And so I gave him the CPR.
		They took him off.
		And then that was about 11 o'clock at night.
		And then about 4 in the morning, they let him out of VR and he came back to my apartment.
		And I said, get out of here.
		I don't want to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
unidentified		Shit.
		Leave.
		Go now.
		And then about five months after that, I met him in a parking lot of a shopping center.
		And I said, you know, do you realize what's going on?
		Do you understand?
		And he said, yeah, can you imagine what those cops did to my apartment?
		I said, the cops didn't do anything.
		You did that.
		And I talked with him for a while.
		And then he told me that he was an immigrant from France.
		He was in an orphanage in France.
		And as far as these convulsions and stuff, I asked him if he was epileptic or all that.
		And he said no.
		And I was talking with him, and then he said, you know, I was in an orphanage in France, and two priests told me I was possessed.
		And I said, oh, gee whiz.
		And that was the end of it.
		I didn't talk to him after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's enough.
		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		That's quite enough.
		Well.
		What to say about that?
		We were talking about inviting entities in a few moments ago.
		Maybe on occasion they invite themselves in.
		Maybe on occasion they take the minds of those who can be taken.
		Had you thought of that?
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, our WBC, Duluth Superior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Wisconsin.
unidentified		Actually, I'm in Duluth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Duluth, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, your Detroit station is coming through pretty good, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Say, are you going to tell us what happened to your Ouija board?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
unidentified		Can't talk you into it, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's one story I really won't tell.
		It scares me.
		And I don't like telling it.
		Not even on this day.
		It scares the hell out of me.
		That's one thing that really did scare me.
		And so I warn people about Ouija boards.
		How about you?
		Do you have a story?
unidentified		Yeah, I got a quick one for you.
		All right.
		Back in the 50s, my mom was seeing a gentleman in her school.
		She was a junior in high school.
		They were, I guess they were really in love with each other, this fat, and the other thing.
		And one night, she was sleeping and she just kind of stirred in bed and she woke up and saw him standing in the room, her bedroom.
		What are you doing here?
		And he just kind of faded away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		And the next day she found out he was killed in a car accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's a lot of stories like that.
		There's a lot of stories.
		Thank you very much.
		Now, you see, I believe we had Brad Steiger on a couple of weeks ago, and actually we've been kind of doing the warm-up to Halloween for some time now.
		But there are many, many stories like that.
		It seems when many die, the energy that is us, the energy that may be our soul, our essence, whatever it is you want to call it, you give your own name to it, has something that it must say to somebody that it has left behind.
		It must say it.
		And somehow, that energy, either still here on earth or from elsewhere, finds its way back long enough to assure the person that it loves or to pass a message that must be passed.
		Information that a loved one must have and somehow the energy makes it back.
		Don't ask me.
		I just do talk shows.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Pardon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		At Corpus Christi, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Welcome.
unidentified		Yes, I have several ghost stories, but I know I don't have that much time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, give us your best.
unidentified		Oh, the best.
		Okay.
		One time my husband and I had a disagreement, and he had been, you know, just frolicking and carrying on, and I'd about had it.
		And I was very upset, and my mom told me, well, you need to cool down.
		And so she said, let's go to this thrift store that happened to me in a hospital.
		And we were walking down the corridor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is it that when women get upset, they go shopping?
unidentified		It's true, isn't it?
		Yeah, well, yeah, it is.
		But anyway, my mom and I were walking down the corridor.
		And in the hospital, you hear there's like speakers, and there's like, you know, doctors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Jones.
unidentified		Dr. Jones wanted an ER, and you really don't pay attention to these things.
		That's right.
		And anyway, I was upset, and she just calmed down.
		I said, no, this is it.
		I am upset.
		And nothing you can say, Mother, is going to change my mind.
		She says, well, I really think you need to cool down.
		I said, well, nope, that's it.
		At that point, we heard a voice walk by, and it just asked, in a real deep voice, where did you leave Ben?
		And we didn't pay any attention to it until we walked about two feet.
		And then my mom and I looked at each other, and we turned around together, and we saw a tall, almost Frankenstein-stature man and a short man.
		And they both had on those white gowns, and their skin was gray-tone.
		And we both looked at it, and then I kept looking at it, and then the tall guy turns around in like a Frankenstein stance and looks directly into my eyes.
		And he lifts his head up just a bit, like telling me, you know, I'm going to get you.
		Because you're vulnerable.
		Because you can be mine.
		And then he just turns around and he walks off with the other short guy.
		And we both looked at them and their skin tone was like, it was gray as if they had been dead for years.
		And then I looked at my mom and she looks at me and she says, make the sign of the cross.
		You know, we both made the sign of the cross.
		And she says, look, when you're this upset with somebody, the evil spirits know that you're vulnerable.
		And at this point, she says, you need to cool down because this is how bad things happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll bet you if her first speech didn't work, this one did.
unidentified		Yeah, it, well, I still haven't forgiven them, but you did calm down.
		Oh, yeah, I did calm down.
		And there are, I just want to tell everybody that there are bad spirits out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that when you're being negative and you're vulnerable and you don't have the fear of Christ or something that's more powerful than them, then they can get you.
		But if you have, if you can say a prayer now and then, it's a matter of weakness.
		It's a matter of weakness, like you were saying.
		It's a matter of weakness, and they'll come right on in, and this is not bad things happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's such a good point.
		Thank you.
		Even if I were to relate it to what I do, and on this program, we talk about a million things.
		this is like any other uh...
		not like any other program you've ever heard we delve into areas that are I can't put it into words.
		You're just going to have to listen to the program, not just this one, but the one we do on a regular basis, and you'll begin to get the idea.
		We don't bore in.
		We're not like other talk shows.
		We don't bore in only on politics or anything else.
		We do whatever comes up on any given night.
		And occasionally, we'll be in the political arena or we'll be talking about something very terrestrial.
		And somebody will push my button.
		Now, in latter years, I've tried to let it happen less and less, but my button can be pushed.
		And there have been over the years a few times, mind you, a few times when I have virtually lost it.
		I mean, I have become red-faced, heart-pounding, totally out of it, angry, and just totally blew up on the air.
		It does not happen very frequently, but it has occurred.
		And Let me tell you, when that does occur, folks, as this lady just said, in my opinion, these are very, very vulnerable moments.
		And it's possible that if there is something close, something waiting for you, you are vulnerable.
		And it could take you in an instant.
		You don't believe it?
		That's fine.
		Just heed my warning.
		You're listening to Ghost to Ghost AM from the great American Southwest and the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		I bid you good morning.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of new radio stations joining us this morning.
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		Also, WFMD, Frederick, Maryland, touching parts of Baltimore and Washington, D.C. As well, WTAD, Quincy, Illinois.
		welcome to all of you welcome to uh...
		There never is a norm on this show, but if there is, this is not it.
		We're telling ghost stories.
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		I don't know.
		We'll see how it goes.
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		Now, we don't expect you to buy the bed.
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		This is from a retired Navy fellow.
		Art, you had a show about airplane ghosts.
		Well, here's one about ship ghosts.
		I am retired, U.S. Coast Guard.
		I served on the icebreaker glacier with a ghost.
		I saw him only one time.
		I was asleep in my stateroom when I heard a knock at the door.
		The door opened, and a sailor, that's in quotes, leaned in and said, Mr. Blank, you're needed in B1 engineering room.
		One of the mains is making bad noises, and the watch needs you.
		Got to the engine room fast as I could.
		The door opened as I got there, and one of the sailors said, I was just coming to get you.
	I told him I came as soon as I was called.
	His reply was, huh?
	This just happened, and I was just coming to get you.
	Another time I saw the hatch to the emergency diesel generator room close and the lock wheel spin and lock.
	On entering the compartment, there was no one there.
	It's a small area with no place for anyone human to hide.
	The third time the ghost made himself known was to a woman who worked for the district office.
	She was updating blueprints while we were moored in Long Beach.
	Suddenly, it burst into the mess hall so scared she was shaking.
	She told us she had seen a translucent, transparent sailor walk out of a bulkhead of the passageway, glare at her, continue on down the hall.
	She never came back on that ship.
	Jim, U.S. Coast Guard, retired.
	Shelton, Washington.
	Thank you, Jim.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Welcome.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Jamie, calling from Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing, Jamie?
unidentified		I'm just fine.
		I'm a first-time caller, and I want to say that I personally never seen a ghost, but the story I wanted to tell you has been in the family over 90 years, so I thought I might tell you.
		It's coming from three generations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You might tell me.
unidentified		Yeah.
		All right.
		Well, my grandmother used to tell me, but her grandmother told her when she was a girl, her uncle, her mother's brother, his wife died after they had had a new baby, and he had a little girl that was six years old, and then they had a new baby.
		Well, when he would get the little girl in the baby bedded down at night, you know, there were no electric lights.
		It was just old shacks in South Carolina.
		He would go out late at night, you know, for a couple of hours, you know, but he would leave a fire burning in the fireplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Well, one night he went out and he didn't come back.
		He stayed out a little late, and the baby started to cry.
		And the little girl, being six years old, she was afraid because the fire was burning out.
		She was afraid to get up.
		So after a while, the baby cried and cried.
		After a while, she heard this thump, and then something came down the fireplace.
		So the little girl said it looked like a big bird, and the bird stood right in front of the fireplace, and it started fanning its wings.
		And the fire just rose up, and she could hear a voice saying, get up and get Mama's baby some water.
		She couldn't see the face of the bird.
		She could only see the back, but she knew that was her mother's voice.
		So she walked around the bird and got the baby some water.
		When the baby was back down, the bird went back up into the fireplace just like it came, and the fire burnt real high all night long.
		And the little girl was telling her father about this big bird that came down the fireplace and told her to get up and get Mama's baby some water.
		So when he told his mother, which is my grandmother's grandmother, my grandmother's 85 now, she told him never leave the children alone anymore.
		But it was just amazing how something good, I guess we could call it a ghost or whatever, but the mother just wanted her to get a baby some water, you know, little girl like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I suspect in the spirit world, there is good and there's evil.
unidentified		Sure.
		And I just thought I wanted to share that with you because that's not evil.
		It was a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it.
unidentified		And my grandmother's handed it down, and I suppose when my son gets old and has grandchildren, I'll hand it down to him.
		But thank you, Art, for having me.
		Thank you.
		And I'm listening to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm glad.
		Thank you.
		That's KTRH Houston.
		Now, I agree with that lady.
		There's good and there's evil.
		How many of you saw a movie called The Stand?
		Her bird story reminded me of this.
		In the Stand.
		The Stand was a wonderful movie.
		The first hour of it is possibly some of the best I've ever seen.
		It kind of deteriorated, in my view, after that, the television version.
		But In the Stand, you may recall the large black evil bird.
		Well, I broadcast, for those of you who are just joining us, from my home, here in the middle of the desert, in the middle of nowhere, in a little town called Pahrump, Nevada.
		Laugh, if you will.
		At any rate, our town is famous for many things, but one of them is big black birds.
		And the movie they used, the bird they used for the movie, The Stand, came from right here in Verump.
		And those birds are all around me.
		So these are some of the biggest, but these birds are big enough to carry cats off.
		You don't mess with the birds out here.
		I don't know why they're so common to this area.
		But they're here.
unidentified		Big, big birds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Birds so big that if you can get near them and they begin to take off, their wingspan, well, as they begin to beat their wings to get their big bodies in the air, you can feel the draft.
		They are that big.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
		Okay.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Reno right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reno, K-O-H.
unidentified		That's right.
		This story happened to me, I would say it was 91, 92.
		I don't remember the exact date.
		I was living in Guam.
		Guam?
		And I was at a friend's house, and he was on his way out of the door.
		I just showed up, and he's like, well, hey, look, I'm going to a rosary, which is really common out there.
		It's very, very Catholic, and it's kind of like the remembrance of their loved ones that have passed away.
		He's like, look, I'm on the way to this rosary.
		How about this?
		Come with me.
		That way, it'll keep it real short.
		We'll just stop in.
		We'll, you know, say hello, blah, blah, blah, whatever, pay our respects, and then we'll take off.
		Well, we get there.
		Everything's kind of fine.
		You know, everybody's kind of just mellow, and it's mostly just the immediate family of this guy that had passed away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was the guy that he went to school, my friend had went to school with.
		And so we're standing there, and the guy that died's little sister came in.
		She was about maybe four or five years old, crying.
		She comes running from down the hall, and I don't remember the dead guy's name, but I'll just say David.
		She was crying, and her mother's like, What's the matter, hon?
		And she's like, Well, David's here.
		And she was like, I don't want to hear that.
		Just kind of calm down.
		She's like, Mommy, David's here.
		He's here.
		And the grandmother said, Look, just, you know, your mother doesn't need this right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And so everything was fine for about 15 minutes.
		Next thing you know, she's standing there.
		She says, look, there he is.
		And we all just kind of stopped and we're all looking down the hall and there's nothing.
		And she's like, can't you see him?
		We're like, no, and the grandmother by this time is getting a little irate and the mother's pretty much crying pretty profusely, I guess.
		And it wasn't a really good scene at this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
unidentified		So everything kind of chilled out a while and I'd say about five minutes passed.
		She walks down the hall, comes back, and she's just saying, look, David wants us in his room now.
		And, you know, just to kind of humor her, I guess, the grandmother told my friend to go in the room with her.
		Sure.
		And also, her older brother, the one that was older than the one that had died.
		So I just followed, just, you know, because, I don't know, it's kind of like one of those little horror movies, I guess.
		You want to know what's going on.
		So I followed him into the room, and she's like pointing to these, I guess they're cupboards or whatever, but they're kind of like sliding doors above the bed.
		And they're about six feet up in the air.
		And she's like, he wants us to open those.
		So my friend goes over to open it, and he can't make it budge.
		He cannot make this little door to this cupboard slide over.
		So he asks me to help him.
		And I get up there, and I'm not a little guy.
		I'm about 200 pounds and about six foot.
		And I was budging and just pulling and pushing, and we tried everything to get this open.
		There's two of us, and we couldn't do it.
		And, you know, I'm starting to get a little, not really upset, but just aggravated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And she's, you know, starting to cry again, saying, do it, do it, do it.
		And so the mother walks in and she's like, you know, calm down, calm down.
		Well, and then the little girl said, no, he wants me to open it.
		So my friend picked her up and she slid it open with not even a budge.
		It was just like she could have used her pinky.
		And in there were a bunch of personal artifacts and pictures.
		And the first thing that they pulled out was a letter that he had written to his little sister in case something had ever happened to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		it was the scariest thing I mean it Well, listen, thank you very much for the story.
		I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
		That, though, is typical.
		And there are two things I would take from that.
		One, again, a person who has died coming back to give a message that must be given.
		Something that must be released from that spirit before it is released.
		But the other aspect of that story that I find intriguing is that I believe that children, little children, have more of an ability to see, experience, or touch the other side than we do.
		Now, I wouldn't pretend to be able to tell you why, and there are adult sensitives, certainly, who have either maintained or nurtured that ability to see or reach or talk to the other side.
		But children in their innocence, I think, have something that the rest of us begin to lose as we get older.
		Because of the noise of society, the noise level, the signal to noise level, if you will.
		It was a deep thing that is either in all of us, or was once in all of us, or is still in all of us, that fades.
		But, you know, in children, it has not yet faded.
		So children have a unique kind of sensory ability the rest of us do not have.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Canton, Michigan, which is just west of Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		WJR, I bet.
unidentified		You betcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I just want to tell you about a really scary ghost story that involves my brother.
unidentified		This was back in 1983, October 7th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You remember the date that well, huh?
unidentified		Well, I sure do, because I was on the road.
unidentified		I was playing with a band in Saginaw, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
unidentified		I was playing at the Fortin Hotel.
		And I finished the job about 2.30 in the morning, and I went up, and I had a couple of beers, and I laid down, and all of a sudden, I woke up, and I was at the top of the stairs.
		We were staying on the second floor of the hotel.
		And all of a sudden, I felt an arm around me, and it was like I heard a, hey, brother, go back to your room.
		You've got to go to sleep.
		Well, all of a sudden, the next night, I got a call from my mother that my brother had committed suicide, and he had died two days earlier on the 6th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any other visits, or was that it?
unidentified		No, he visited me for about the next week and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And talked with you?
unidentified		It was like I could feel a cold stare over me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A presence.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not unusual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, really typical.
unidentified		It was very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People pass, and yet, for some reason, they don't quite pass.
		They're not quite ready.
		And I guess that was the case with your brother.
		Now, I'm curious, were you comforted by that or frightened by it?
unidentified		I was comforted very much.
		Did it change you?
		Yeah, I think it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, does it tell you there is an afterlife?
unidentified		Yes, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, I sure do appreciate your story and your call.
		Thank you.
		You know, that is what it's all about.
		The search.
		Now, how are we to know there really is another side?
		Well, he knows.
		Other people who have experienced things like that, they know.
		And I may know something, but I don't want to talk about it.
		I'll let you do the talking.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, how art thou, Grandmaster of All Night County?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thou art fine if you would turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay, I sure did.
unidentified		Sorry about that, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Fresno, California, and I'm on KMJ580.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the one.
unidentified		You've got it.
		I like, I want to say one thing.
		I really enjoy your show, and I enjoy Dreamland immensely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a different kind of program.
unidentified		Well, it certainly is.
		I think I have nightmares every Sunday night.
		Well, anyway, if I may relate a story to your audience, I don't know if it's necessarily a ghost story, but I always thought it was spooky, and I always think of it from time to time, and I tell people, well, one Saturday morning, it was back in 1988.
		It was two weeks before I was going to go out of town.
		That's how I remember.
		I started to wake up on a Saturday morning.
		All of a sudden, this blue light shined.
		It was like a blue light shined inside of my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Inside of your head?
unidentified		Yeah, it's like a TV.
unidentified		All of a sudden, like a TV or an image flickers inside of my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And then from here, get a load of this.
		I saw it was like these people in a large or a fairly good-sized underground cavern or hallway or room.
		And it was just swathed.
		They were bathed in blue light.
		There was four of them.
		They were tall.
		They had like jeweled masks on and robes.
		And I had the feeling that the ones in the black were women.
		Their hair was like kind of longish and black.
		And then the men had gray robes.
		And their skin was like white, white, white, like Mickey Mouse.
		And it lasted for about 30 seconds.
		And then from time to time, I think of it, maybe it's symbolic of something or what.
		But I'll tell you, I was sure startled, but I think subsequently I've told people about it, and they said, well, maybe there's a symbol there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you call that, a vision?
unidentified		I don't know, but for a moment, since then I haven't had something like this, but ironically, I'd been thinking that before I went to sleep, how we can possibly communicate with our ancestors psychically.
unidentified		And I don't know if it's a point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think they were your ancestors?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I got to thinking about that subject by coincidental.
		I don't think that they are, but I got the feeling they're from overseas.
		I don't know if that's of any point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Maybe what happened is you just sort of crossed psychic paths for a few moments with somebody who was doing some kind of experiment somewhere else.
		Or somebody else who was dabbling in areas they perhaps should not have been.
		And you were simply the receptor for that tampering.
		Now that's an absolute stab in the dark for somebody who is simply a talk show host and listened to your story.
		I don't have the slightest idea what it was.
		But if you'd had a couple, it certainly would sober you up, wouldn't it?
		We'll be back.
		There'll be more.
		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		Ghost to Ghost AM.
		From the Kingdom of Nye, you're hearing Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the CBC Radio Network.
		Black and orange jay cats in all the pants.
		Ain't got enough dough to pay the rent.
		I'm flat broke, but I don't care.
		Ride by with Mattel Man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Ghost.
unidentified		Ghost.
unidentified		Hey yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		I'm Martell.
		We're telling ghost stories tonight.
		Maybe tomorrow night.
unidentified		They're weird.
unidentified		Very weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take this one, for example, Art.
		As soon as you suggested we turn down the lights if we dare, the lights in my room dimmed by half.
		As I write this, they're still dim.
		Oh, that's weird.
		Really weird.
		This is the night for weird.
		Then this.
		Hi, Art, Gray Joe.
		First off, in my 35 years, I have never encountered anything of a strange nature before.
		That is, until just recently.
		I'll let you decide if this is a ghost story or not.
		But I'm now convinced I've been living at an apartment complex for about two and a half years.
		I work nights, therefore I sleep in the day.
		Figures, I do too.
		After a few months, a few months after moving into my apartment, I'd be awakened from a sound sleep by the feeling that someone was in bed with me.
		It was as though someone was thrashing wildly about the bed.
		But when I looked at the bed, it was as empty as was the bedroom.
		This happened every day during the month of September and stopped after September 21st.
		I thought it was just a sleep disorder.
		Since it seemed to have disappeared, I soon forgot.
		Then, the following September, the same thing happened.
		And just as before, it stopped after the 21st.
		I went to my doctor.
		I discussed it with him, and he gave me some pills.
		Anyway, last month, it began again, and the pills did not work.
		As the 21st approached, the thrashing feeling would be more intense and last longer to the point where I could no longer get any sleep.
		Now, after two days of no sleep, I came home from work, and a neighbor who I've been having a passing acquaintance with noticed my haggard look.
		He asked me if I was sick.
		I told him that I wasn't getting much sleep lately.
		One thing led to another.
		And before I knew it, I told him of my strange tale, but I left out the thing about it only happening during the month of September.
		Now, this guy has lived at this complex for 15 years, and here's what he told me.
		Quote, I often wondered why no one stayed for very long in your unit.
		Now I think I know.
		Back in September of 1981, a young lady lived in your apartment, and later that month was found dead on her bed.
		The autopsy showed that she had been strangled and put up one hell of a fight.
		End quote.
		Now I believe the thrashing about my bed is the spirit of this lady.
		Another thing that's strange is that it only happens during the day, not the night.
		Therefore, I feel she must have died during the day.
		What do you think?
		What should I do?
		Jim in Phoenix, Arizona.
		Buddy, I wouldn't begin to try to tell you what to do.
		I don't know.
		More Ghost to Ghost AM in just a moment.
		I call it that.
		Normally, the name of the show, by the way, is Coast to Coast AM.
		But tonight, and maybe a bit of tomorrow night, it's Ghost to Ghost.
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	One other note, then it's back to the stories.
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	Let me give that one more time.
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	West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Houston, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston, Alaska.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the show.
unidentified		Thanks.
unidentified		My name's Linda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Linda.
unidentified		And let me tell you first that I was born on Friday the 13th.
		And this story that I'm going to tell you happened to me 35 years ago when I was 13 in a place called Westfield, Massachusetts.
		And at 13, I went to a public school there.
		And at 13, I had a crush on a boy that went to a Catholic school.
		And I talked a couple of my friends in on a Monday night to go to see him after catechism got out.
		And we had a curfew time we had to be home.
		And we knew we were going to be late.
		So my friends, which was kitty corner to the church, was an old cemetery.
		And it had the wrought iron and the stone wall.
		And As a child, I don't remember it ever being used, but it was an old cemetery.
		It was pretty shut down.
		And my friends talked me into going through the cemetery to take a shortcut home.
		So I was always a townboy and wasn't afraid of anything.
		So we took off through the cemetery running.
		And halfway through the cemetery...
		Well, we had a deadline to get home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
unidentified		All right.
		Okay.
		We took off running through the cemetery.
		And halfway through the cemetery, I fell through the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		I fell through the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through the ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you did.
unidentified		I was in a hole, which I assumed was a grave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
unidentified		And the dirt came in down around me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		And I was screaming.
		I had bugs that I assumed were termites.
		They had wings on them that I was covered with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And at that time, as 13 years old, I was only about 5'1.
		I didn't know how I was going to get out of here.
		I remember screaming.
		And I felt something around my feet, a pressure, not any, nothing that was grabbing onto me, but some kind of pressure that lifted me up out of that dirt.
		And I was at a dead run, and I didn't stop until I got to the other side of the cemetery.
		And my friends were there, and I was covered with dirt, and I was covered with all these, which I assume probably were termite bugs that were all over me.
		And I never, to this day, have been in the cemetery.
		I'm 48 years old, and I've never been back in the cemetery to this day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I cannot say I blame you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That, to me, would be the end of me, dear, because I would have a heart attack right now.
unidentified		That was very scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fortunately, your heart was young enough to take it, I guess.
		Great story.
		Thank you very much.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		From Alaska.
		Oh, man.
		Can you imagine running across a cemetery in the dark, falling into a grave with bugs crawling all over you?
unidentified		I remember...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It's etched into my memory.
		Do you remember at the end when the graves began popping up and they fell into the pool?
		Do you remember that?
		And the skeletons and the sort of half fleshy, half non-fleshy things began popping up in the pool?
		I wouldn't make it through that.
		I wouldn't even begin to make it through that.
		I'd turn around in that mucky water and look at one of those flabbing flesh things, and I'd have my heart attack on the spot.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, where are you?
unidentified		Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Austin, welcome.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling about a story that if my family finds out I'm telling this, I'm going to be in big trouble.
		But it occurred in Louisiana about 100 years ago, and it's still occurring to this day.
		It's a 100-year-old ghost story that occurred originally in Cushatta, Louisiana.
		And I had an aunt and uncle that lived 100 years ago, several generations removed, and they were recently married.
		And my aunt died shortly after the marriage, and the uncle was completely devastated.
		And when he was going to bury his wife, she was in her 20s, they hadn't been married for a year.
		He had the coffin ordered from New Orleans.
		He wanted a special coffin.
		He wanted a glass coffin.
		And he wanted her buried in Mettery Cemetery in New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mettery.
unidentified		And he was told that it would take six months for the coffin to be ordered.
		And so in order, he waited for the coffin to come up to Shreveport, up to his area.
		And he would keep the corpse upstairs in his house in the bedroom.
		And according to the servants at the house, he would kiss the corpse every night before he would go to bed.
		The servant said that, well, he would order them to take the corpse out every day and air the corpse out in the barrel for six months.
		And he had a Ouija board, as you were talking about earlier.
		A Ouija board, the servant said he would talk to the corpse every night and have conversations.
		And apparently this was a jealous ghost.
		And the servants were horrified.
		They would not clean this room.
		They said that candles wouldn't light when they went up there.
		There was cold air.
		The candles would blow out.
		They could hear low-level whispers, and they said objects would fall from the room.
		And at night, after a while, after a certain point, they would hear conversations between my uncle and some other voice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some other voice, the corpse, I presume.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		And so, as I say, no one would go into this room for many years.
		Eventually, the glass coffin did arrive.
		They did bury her in Metairie Cemetery in New Orleans.
		She's still there to this day in a crypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did that end it?
unidentified		No, because up until the 1970s, all of my relatives who would go to visit this house would not visit that room.
		They still said that cold area was still there.
		They could still feel the presence.
		I remember going there as a child with my aunt.
		My aunt had shaky legs.
		She wouldn't even walk up the stairs.
		They could hear the squeaky wheels Of the wheelbarrow at night, of the wheelbarrow that was supposed to air out the corpse.
		They could still hear that in the 1960s and 70s.
		And there was a portrait that they couldn't photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this something that your family will not talk about?
unidentified		It's not something that they're proud of.
		but it is something that everyone knows about.
		There is a certain member in the family who is a keeper of the key to the crit, who does Yeah, I guess I would, just out of curiosity, because it's been something I've heard about all my life, and I'm curious about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, I very much appreciate your call, but there's no way that I would.
		There's no way.
		Absolutely no way.
		Now, you tell me, you explain to me, but that man is just like the women in the low-cut dresses who, the moment you hear the bump and the grind in the basement, immediately do want.
		They go down the stairs to the basement, the one place where you know they ought not go.
		Everybody knows evil things lurk in dark basements, but they go straight down there and see if that fellow had the key.
		Where would he go?
		He'd go look and he'd go look at the body.
		I know he would.
		I wouldn't.
		would you listen i want to work I want to tell you two things.
		One, if you would like a copy, and we have over two more hours of this program yet to do, this is one program that we make available to the audience.
		If you would like a copy of the program you are listening to right now, you can call 1-800-917-4278.
		Let me give you that number again because I know a lot of you are going to want it.
		It's 1-800-917-4278, and it is good now, 24 hours a day.
		It is the Ghost to Ghost Halloween show.
		One other little item.
		We know we're going on in a whole bunch of new affiliate areas this morning.
		Love to hear from you by FAX.
		We do have a 24-hour a day FAX service, which sounds pretty fancy.
		It's really just a fax machine in my living room.
		The number is Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Let me give that to you again.
		I'd love to hear from somebody in New York confirming we're on way back in New York, Rochester.
		Area code 702-727-8499.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Well, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Scott from Graham, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Scott.
unidentified		And this is something that happened over on the west side of Olympic Mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And it's up the Queets River.
		Anyway, we were, there was four of us, and we had two pickup trucks and one camper on one truck.
		And we went up to this beautiful spot with a river, and on the other side of the river is a cliff with these just huge boulders, probably five to a thousand-pound boulders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just huge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Big rocks.
unidentified		Big rocks.
		And so we got up there, and it was dusk.
		And when it's dark up there, I mean, it is dark.
		I mean, you can't even see your hand in front of your face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understood.
unidentified		And so we decided to sit all in one camper and have a good old poker game.
		So we were all sitting around playing poker, and it was about 1.30 a.m.
		And we heard some splashes in the river.
		And we heard some grunts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grunts.
unidentified		Yeah, just kind of huge grunts.
unidentified		So we figured it was probably a bear out there having fun in the river, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't like grunts.
unidentified		Yeah, and so after a while, the grunts seemed to get louder.
		And we heard like big rocks hitting each other.
		You know how you can hear the crack of rocks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And after a while, these rocks seemed to get closer and closer to our camper.
		And you could feel the rocks hit the ground outside to kind of a big thud.
		And I'm telling you, we all looked at each other and we said, nobody's going outside.
		I mean, we were armed to the teeth, but we were scared to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like those gigantic rocks, you know, coming out of the air and hitting the ground like that?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It's just like somebody was over there throwing these huge rocks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And then, you know, I wanted to call you last week about the Sasquatch sound because you wouldn't believe this.
		I mean, the hair on the back of our necks was standing up.
		It's standing up now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it like the sound I've got?
unidentified		It was close, but not really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I mean, closer to the first one that Linda Howe sent or the second one?
unidentified		The second one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that absolutely horrible it was a stop I would call that.
		It almost sounds human.
		To me, it sounded like a man in horrible, horrible agony.
		That's the only way I can think to put it.
		Is that about the way it sounded?
unidentified		No, you wouldn't believe it, Art.
		It was just about like that.
		And it was echoing up and down the river.
		And it was terrible.
		We were terrified.
		And these rocks, you could almost hear them whistling through the air.
		And they were crashing on the other side of our camper.
		They were hitting in the water and the cracking of the rocks.
		And this went on for three hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just sit there and sort of shake at the table?
unidentified		We were on the floor of the camper.
		We just couldn't move.
		We didn't know if one of these rocks are going to hit us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you see, that sounds realistic to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where I'd be, floor of the camper, you betcha.
unidentified		And we were armed to the teeth, let me tell you.
		And I was ready for anything.
		And this went on for three hours, and it was about like 4.30 in the morning, and the sun started coming up.
		And we're all looking at each other going, thank God.
		Especially because I had to go to the bathroom.
		But anyway, and so we finally had enough nerve to go outside the Door because the crashing and everything had stopped like about an hour before the sun came up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, I would have waited too for the crashing to stop and for the sun to come up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sounds good so far.
unidentified		Okay, so we decided we'd go outside, and finally, we opened up the door and we all got out.
		I said, You guys get out here, you got to see this.
		And the other truck was just fine, but around our truck and the camper were these huge boulders in a circle around the camper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I presume to this day you have no idea what it was.
unidentified		No, but we, it had to be something awfully big.
		Awfully big.
		Because it took us pushing with one truck and pulling with another to get them far enough out of the way so we could get the truck and the camper out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an incredible story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you swear that's true?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		This happened in 1975 because it's when I got out of the service and all four of us got together because we used to go on camping trips when we were in high school.
		And to this day, when we get together, I mean, this, you know, this is something we always talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can still talk about.
		I can imagine you would.
		Well, you know, that one is almost a topper.
		What an absolutely incredible story.
		And so that's where it ended.
		You hauled the rocks away, and that was it.
unidentified		Yeah, we pushed them out of the way, and we got out of there, and I've never been up there again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't blame you.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much for the story.
		Thank you, sir.
		Take care.
		Something that big with those kinds of rocks.
unidentified		no thank you This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		Some will be right back.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		It's Halloween all across America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we are doing what we do every Halloween.
		We're doing ghost to ghost.
		If you've got a good ghost story, we're here for you.
		But first, something that somebody should have thought of long, long, long ago.
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		This is spray on aspirin.
		Now, you say, well, what do you mean spray on?
		Well, aspirin, normally you take pills, right?
		You digest it.
		Digestive tract 101, we talked about that.
		Gets into your bloodstream, and you have pain relief.
		Takes a long time and is not very specific.
		Laprina, just like a nicotine patch that you put on your arm, you know, puts nicotine into your bloodstream.
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		Call them.
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		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		No, I think we just missed that person.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		I have a ghost story for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All ears.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Pasco, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I was camping earlier this summer with a friend up in the mountains.
		There was actually three of us.
		We went up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another camping story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear the last one?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		Oh, not that bizarre, actually.
unidentified		We were up in the mountains, probably 20 miles from the nearest town and 10 miles from the nearest person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Way out on a logging road up in a clear cut.
		Someplace we used to go, you know, just for the weekend or something where nobody would be around.
		And we were up there, and me and this girl went walking down the road, and my friend was sitting up by the campfire, and we come back about 10, 15 minutes later, and he's in the car hiding.
		Oh, he's probably got tired and went to sleep.
		He gets out of the car and goes, who is the guy that just came by?
		And I looked at him and said, get real, man.
		We're 10 miles from the nearest person.
		Who the heck could come up here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		He said, some guy in a black robe comes by, looks at him, and says, this isn't right.
unidentified		And just walks off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Meaning, he thought, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This isn't right that you are here?
unidentified		That's what neither one of us can understand, because he'd never been there before.
		And the road that I was on, they had clear-cut it in another direction, so the road was almost grown over, and I remembered where it was.
		You know, it was one of the roads that trees had now come up in the middle of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And we had no idea what the heck he was talking about.
		And he just kept going on.
		Somebody came by and said, this isn't right.
		And he just kept going on and on.
		So finally, we just left because he was just going ecstatic about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's weird, all right.
		That's very weird.
		And so you just never found out anything more about this?
unidentified		Huh.
		He's still, every time I talk to the guy, he still goes on about this.
		He still thinks I have somebody up there with us.
		But where we were, it was impossible for anybody to have found us.
		I mean, it was one of those places, if you were to get hurt or something, nobody would find you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess that's one of those things you're going to have to wonder about your whole life, huh?
unidentified		Apparently.
unidentified		I have another quick one, if you don't mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, yes.
unidentified		I worked in a plant up in a little city up north of here called Lake Stevens.
		Actually, it's on the other side of the mountains from us.
		Right.
		And I was in working one night.
		It was actually a Prestalog plant, and it was very noisy, so you wore earplugs.
		And all of a sudden, I heard somebody call my voice.
		There was only two of us that worked in the plant, so I figured it was the other guy.
		And he was out on the forklift outside, so I went outside, and as I'm going out, he's coming in and said, what did you want?
		There was nobody around.
		He said the plant had been doing it ever since they had built the plant.
		It's done that.
		One person will hear somebody call the name, and the other person will come in, as the other person's going to look for the other one.
		But nobody could figure it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's just in line.
		Thank you very much for the story.
		It's exactly the kind of thing we're talking about.
		Art, my father died of cancer in the summer of 1992.
		Now, I'm in the Navy, was stationed in Maryland at the time.
		I knew he was ill, but the cancer spread to his spine unexpectedly and caused him to become incapacitated literally overnight.
		My wife and I had to travel to the hospital in Florida.
		He was so incoherent by then that I never got a chance to speak to him one last time.
		He died a few days after our arrival, moments before we got to the hospital on that particular day.
		After paying my respects and comforting my mom, my wife and I left the hospital.
		We entered an elevator that was going down to the lower parking area.
		Suddenly, the elevator began going up and stopped on the next floor.
		The door opened, but there was no one in sight.
		Also, there were no stairs that anyone could have exited by.
		The doors began to close and then opened abruptly as if someone were blocking the entrance.
		This happened several times until my wife finally said, okay, Preston, knock it off.
		The doors closed.
		The elevator took us to our desired floor.
		I feel this was simply an attempt by my father to let me know that he was there, that he was okay.
		Just thought you'd enjoy the story.
		Thanks.
		James in Honolulu, Hawaii.
		There you are.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		How you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I've been trying to get a hold of you all night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Cape Giraldo, Missouri, listening on KZIM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're on a portable phone, too, aren't you?
unidentified		A quartophone, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a regular one?
unidentified		No, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't?
		All right.
		Well, we'll put up with it.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I've got a story that's really going to scare you, and it's going to scare me whenever I think about it.
unidentified		But I used to be in the Air Force, and I was stationed at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Cheyenne, Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And that's a really haunted base.
unidentified		If anybody knows about that base, they know what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Haunted in what way?
unidentified		Well, it used to be an old cavalry base.
		And there's been a lot of murders, a lot of cavalry murders, Indian murders, suicides, just stuff like that in the dormitories.
		And it's just a really haunted base.
		I mean, there's ghosts of dogs in the dorm that I used to live in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah, it was really scary.
		But I was going through some really rough times.
		And I just moved back into the dormitory.
		And I would, every once in a while, see this dark cloud, kind of like a gas cloud, above my bed or down the hall.
		And then whenever I would look at it directly, it wouldn't be there anymore.
		And then I'd be getting dressed and taking care of my uniform, looking at a mirror and everything.
		And out of the corner of my eye, I'd see this face and these hands peeking at me around a corner.
		And I'd look, and nothing would be there.
		And the face was all black and had blue, kind of bluish eyes.
		I mean, dark blue, like a navy blue.
		And I mean, it was just really scary.
		And then one night, I was missing home really bad, and I thought, well, my mom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Terry, your phone is breaking up.
unidentified		Okay, can you hear me better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's better.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quick moving around.
unidentified		All right, my mother is into the new age stuff.
		She was telling me about a lot of this stuff she used to do, and I tried it once.
		I tried to go back home.
		She called it astral projection.
		And I tried that.
		I didn't know how to do it, but I was laying down on my bed, and I was concentrating as hard as I could on home, and I felt myself sit up.
		But when I looked, I was laying, I saw my body laying down, and I could see right through my legs.
		I could see through everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that's weird.
unidentified		Yeah, and then a friend of mine, I saw a friend of mine come through the door and say, hey, Spence, get up.
		Are you coming with us?
		And at that moment, it felt like I was sucked down into my body.
		And it scared me so bad, I never tried it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame you.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		It was a terrible phone, but a good story.
		And I also believe that projection from the body, what he called astral projection, is possible.
		Projection.
		That if we kind of like in some of the movies that I've seen, Somewhere in Time particularly, our mind is capable of many, many things, including possibly time travel and out-of-body travel.
		I'm not an expert.
		I simply listen to the stories.
		On our first-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, my name is Samantha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Samantha, that's a good Halloween name.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-V-E-G?
unidentified		K-V-E-G.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Big 840.
unidentified		I love it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, I just thought I'd tell you a few flower stories about my mother.
		She, one time I was talking to her, she died in 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
unidentified		And she was talking to me about 1976 animal phone.
		And she said, all of a sudden she's like, you know, flowers.
		You know, they feel very strong, like stock or carnations.
		And she says, that's the flower my sister, Edith, likes.
		And about an hour later, she got a call to Edith and died.
		Then when my mother died, I of course got the flowers, and I've been getting them every year or so.
		It's like a bubble around your head.
		And if you walk away from it, you don't smell it.
		And you walk back to where you were, you smell it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's in place, and you have to walk into it, literally.
unidentified		Yes.
		Or I'll be sitting on the couch reading or something, and all of a sudden it'll come around my head.
		And it's like a bubble.
		And a sweet peas was my mother, because that was her flower.
		And if I walk away from it, it's gone.
		I go back and it's there, and it'll last about five minutes.
		This has happened to two of my sons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Energy.
unidentified		Usually in doorways.
		And, you know, there's no flowers in the house, no perfume or anything.
		And you'll walk out of the doorway.
		My son would say, what's that smell?
		And I said, well, walk back in the doorway, and you'll find it again.
		And it's just her little visitation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe you.
		I surely do believe you, and I thank you for the call, and I'll tell you something.
		I've heard many stories that involve spirits of people and flowers.
		Flowers that have lived as long as a person lives, and flowers that have been healthy and thriving, and then the moment somebody dies, the flower, the bush, the tree dies.
		Is there some kind of sympathetic reaction?
		I don't know what you'd call it, but I have heard many, many such stories.
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		First, let us go east of the Rockies.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey.
unidentified		I wanted to get in a plug for satellite, too, because if it weren't for satellite, I wouldn't be able to hear you right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Gainesville, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gainesville, Georgia.
unidentified		W-U-N.
		And we lose you at 5 a.m.
		Eastern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's when I guess they begin their morning show.
unidentified		Yes, it is, and I'd much rather listen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's very kind.
		Yeah, we're on, I should tell people that, I guess.
		We're on F1, satellite to F1.
unidentified		Oh, they've changed it back to C1.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		C1, F1, a satellite bin, any other name.
		And transponder number 5 and 5.8 audio.
		So there you are, everybody.
		So we're glad you have still got us.
		Do you have a story?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		In fact, I've got, I'm not sure just where to start because the situation started with Ouija board, as you were talking about earlier.
		But the part I want to tell you about most occurred further on down, so I'll skip that.
		I was my freshman year in a small southern college and ran into a guy in the student center who started talking about witchcraft and was telling us stuff and claimed to be a black witch and had me curious.
		And there were three others that were with me a lot that we were talking to him about it.
		And one day he wanted us to go with him that night to a black mass.
		And I was brought up, brought Protestant.
		I wasn't even sure what Mass was.
		And my best friend, my roommate, had a test schedule the next day.
		So she said she wasn't going to go.
		She had to study and had to get some sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the key word, of course, was black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are masses in masses.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
		And I don't know that I really believed that he was a witch.
		I thought that a lot of it he was just trying to take advantage of global freshmen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there was a curiosity factor.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And so we decided we were going to go.
		And this was back during the time when the dorms were locked at 11 o'clock and the women were not allowed to be out of the dorms and, you know, back in the dark ages.
		So I chickened out at the last minute and decided I wasn't going to go because if I'd gotten, you know, caught out of the dorm, I could have been expelled and I'd worked too hard to get to college to take the risk.
		And so we had planned to leave by different doors and meet outside and I just, I didn't go.
		And I just felt really bad and felt like I was being punished for something I hadn't done because I wasn't able to participate.
		During the night, oh, maybe 5 a.m.
		I'm not sure exactly, the fire alarm went off in the building.
		And it was an old building and this happened periodically.
		And I wondered if maybe my friends had caused the alarm, somebody to set off the alarm for them to cover and help cover getting back in the next morning.
		So I, you know, threw on my raincoat.
		We always kept a raincoat and shoes handy because the alarm went off so frequently and headed out the front door.
		I was watching for them as I went out and I saw them coming back in.
		And they were ahead of me and I tried to push through the crowd and catch up to them.
		And as they were getting, they had gotten on the elevator and just before the elevator closed, I got close enough to see them and they were looking, you know, facing forward and they just, they were white as a sheet.
		They looked like some of the shock victims that you see sometimes on Red Cross disaster films walking around.
		And I didn't know what was going on.
		And so it was an old elevator and it moved slow.
		So I went running on up the steps because I figured I could beat it up to third floor where their room was and catch them as they got off.
		Yes.
		Got started and I was about halfway up and I heard the alarm go off in the elevator.
		It had stalled between floors.
		Oh boy.
		And what had happened, I found out later, is they had packed like 15 people, you know, just as tight as they could pack them in there before the doors closed and the capacity of the elevator was around 8,000 pounds or something.
		I mean 800 pounds.
		It was just a small elevator and they just had really overloaded it almost double plus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're almost out of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So quickly, what happened?
unidentified		Well, bottom line, there's a lot more.
		The bottom line was then, I don't know where to go from this.
		When they finally got the, it took like three hours to get everybody out of the elevator.
		And my two friends were both in shock and were sedated.
		And their parents picked them up that day and took them home.
		And I didn't see them again.
		But there was a guy that disappeared that night also that we found out later.
		It took a few days.
		And the guy that I've been talking to in the student center told me that he was going to turn up soon.
		And about three weeks later, we heard that his body had been found in the college lake.
		His neck, his throat had been cut, and it looked like his body had been drained of blood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Well, look, we're going to have to leave it there because we're out of time.
		But that was pretty gory.
		A lot of bad stories seem to involve elevators, don't they?
unidentified		You're dirty, sweet, getting back, told me back, I love you.
		You're dirty and sweet, I'm mad.
		You're so limping weak, you got the teeth that I hide upon you.
		You do it, you're my girl.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Ghost to Ghost, actually.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Is this not a fabulous rendition?
unidentified		Ha, ha, ha, ha.
		You know what this is, don't you?
		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's painted black by the Rolling Stones.
		It's the London Timphony.
		In case you were curious.
		Hello, Art.
		I just recently found you for the first time on KABC 790 in Los Angeles, and I'm very glad to have done so.
		Great shows.
		Thanks to you and KABC.
		From the time I was about seven years old to 15, I used to have a recurring dream.
		Premonition?
		Maybe about once every couple of months.
		It would always end the same, with me sitting straight up in bed in cold sweats and scared so bad it's hard to describe.
		The dream always started with two guys in an old Jeep out in the desert, just cruising along.
		I can see the desert and the Warner Road.
		I could feel the heat.
		I could hear the sounds as they're going down this old, totally deserted road.
		Everything's just fine.
		The Jeep begins to go up a long inclined hill.
		There are telephone poles along the left side of the road, and the road seems to be almost perfectly straight, stretching out behind, climbing with the slope in front.
		Up till here, everything's just fine.
		Then the jeep crests the top of the hill, and I can never see anything that the two guys see.
		But what I do see is just their faces.
		Just sheer terror.
		Not fear, but something worse.
		Last time I would see that Jeep turned on its right side off the road about 20 feet, looking like it had been there for a long time.
		When I was 15, I went to school with a friend down to Salton Sea in California, the desert.
		Second day we were there, he said he wanted to show me some old abandoned building, so we took off in his grandfather's jeep out what was called Power Line Road.
		Well, we were about an hour from the house.
		The road began to climb upward, power lines on the left.
		All at once, all that fear from the dreams came back like a tidal wave, and I began to freak.
		I'm yelling at Steve to stop the jeep or I'm going to jump out.
		I was not going over the crest of that hill, no way.
		At first, he thought I was messing with him, but he realized I meant it.
		He stopped, and I told him about the dreams.
		He kind of laughed at them.
		But we turned around and never, ever went down that road again.
		I never had the dream again.
		But the hair on the back of my neck is standing up now the way it did that day.
		Dan, in Los Angeles.
		I believe you, Dan.
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		You're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art Cameron in San Francisco, KSFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Cameron.
unidentified		Well, I got a whole bunch of them, and I had to think about it, and I finally came up with the best one that I've experienced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I like.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, this one...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Well, you remember where that ghost is on the ship and he says something's about to happen, something wonderful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		Well, this is that kind of story.
		When I was about 20, I just became a father on accident, and I was sitting in the karaoke bar folk, and I wasn't drinking, but I was in the karaoke bar sulking to sing, and my girlfriend walked in, and she's about six months pregnant, and I wasn't supposed to be out that night.
		I just figured, you know, I got all this youth inside me, and I kind of realized at that point, you know, I was just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were going to try to sing away your blues.
unidentified		Sing away my blues.
		Going to try and sing them away.
		I just wanted to ignore, you know, the fact that I, well, I guess it's time to grow up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
		I mean, it is very sobering when she walks in and you see the big belly and you rise.
		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Well, I'm sitting there, and a few years before that, I made an oath, you know, and this was a spiritual mistake on my part.
		I swore on my father's grave that I would quit smoking, and I'm sitting here in front of my computer with a cigarette right now.
		Well, I'm sitting in that bar, and I got this strange feeling, right, that somebody was standing behind me.
		You know, when you get that feeling like you're being watched?
		Well, I'm sitting there, and I get this strange feeling I'm standing behind me, and since then I kind of think I got eyes in the back of my head, you know, and I could almost make out this figure watching me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that feeling.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm sure you do.
unidentified		Especially with all the phone calls you get, and who knows what might be standing behind you that comes through that phone lines like that one witch said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't remind me, please.
unidentified		I won't.
		Well, at any rate, I'm standing there, and all of a sudden I feel these hands on my shoulder, and I knew, I just knew that it was my dad.
		And I could feel him standing there, putting his hands on my shoulder, going, it's all right, son, you gotta grow up.
		And I could hear this little voice, and I swear to God, it was right through the music.
		I even remember the song was playing was White Rabbit.
		And I heard this voice say, it's okay, it's just okay.
		And then I felt this light behind me, and he just left.
		And it kind of brought me, you know, I've been listening to you talk about this God thing.
		You know, how would God let himself be known?
		And, you know, after that moment, I kind of think that we just know.
		If God was to come here, if we're these humans, we just know it was him.
		We wouldn't have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We wouldn't have to wonder, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I said it's a good point that people would just know.
unidentified		Yeah, we got it in us.
		But since that day, every time I look at my daughter, and it's the, right now I'm getting chills up my spine.
		I can see him in her eyes.
		I can see him.
		I don't know if it's, you know, one of those reincarnation things or if it's, I don't know what it is, but I just get this eerie sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		Every time I look in her eyes, there's somebody I've known for years in there.
		But I don't know.
		I just thought I'd tell you about that one because it's my favorite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, sir.
		And I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		Of course I know what you mean.
unidentified		My favorite.
unidentified		I appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to look into your daughter's eyes and to see him.
		Look into your daughter's eyes.
		Well, that is one way we live on, isn't it?
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		I'm calling from Merced, KYOS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		And mine's very short, and I don't know if it was a ghost or a real person, but I was up in the Santa Cruz Mountains in a Volkswagen in 1970s somewhere with my friend, and we were coming back from a place up in the Santa Cruz Mountains called the Chateau Liberté.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And anyway, we're coming down these mountains, and they're all curvy and everything.
		And as we came down...
		Yeah.
		Yeah, matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know the road.
unidentified		Oh, right, great.
		Well, you know, then it's all rocky at some areas on the side with all tree.
		I mean, it's all green and all that and trees.
		But anyway, it's a two-lane road, right?
		And we're coming along, and it's down one of the downhill ways.
		And we're kind of talking, you know, a couple girls and we're talking.
		And there's this man lying in the road on our side of the road.
		And he's lying in the road with his head on the white line.
		And he has on a suit that's like kind of checkered.
		It's not a, you know, a normal suit, but it's a suit.
		And we just notice it very quickly.
		It's a checkered suit.
		And he's just lying there.
		And we dodge him at the last moment.
		And that's all we ever saw of him.
		You know, it was just a dodge of this man, but he was lying there, and he was smiling.
		He wasn't dead.
		He wasn't squished or anything.
		He was just lying in the road.
		And we looked back, and we didn't, you know, you couldn't see in the dark, but he wasn't, you know, there wasn't a grimace on his face or any pain or anything.
		He was just lying in the middle of the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you lie on the white line long enough and you will be squished.
unidentified		Well, absolutely.
		There was like headlights way in the distance behind us and they didn't make a swerve or anything, so we didn't know.
		And one of the really quick thing is my mother grew up in the hills of Virginia, and she told me lots of stories.
		They had many sisters, you know, and seven sisters.
		Anyway, they were coming home one night, and their mother through the woods, if you can imagine coming home through the woods at night, but they did it all the time then.
		At any rate, they came in, and they were supposed to get home before dark, and they didn't.
		And there was a little creek-like thing that they had to jump over.
		And it was small enough to jump over.
		But when they jumped over, it was dark, and they were afraid of getting wet and getting in trouble.
		And as they jumped over, a match went underneath of them out of the middle of the water.
		Yeah, there are many stories like that from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		The one about the road.
		17 is a rough highway.
		It's like Highway 1 in a lot of ways, though inland.
		And then there's Blood Alley up in San Jose.
		Roads where a lot of people have been killed tend to be roads that are haunted.
		It's not really a reach to understand why.
		People die there.
		Spirits, energy, linger on those roads.
		It's just the way it is.
		You don't believe?
		That's fine.
		But it is true, you know.
		You're listening to Coast to Coast AM, actually this night called Ghost to Ghost.
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		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Ghost2Ghost A.M. All righty.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Owensboro, Kentucky, listening to WMI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a good place to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Oh, thanks.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of a ghost fire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A ghost fire?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not exactly.
unidentified		Well, our railway station here in Owensboro was converted into a pizza place, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, into a what?
unidentified		A pizza place.
unidentified		A restaurant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I understand.
unidentified		Into a restaurant.
		And I worked there.
		And there was this huge fireplace close to the kitchen.
		But it hadn't been used for years.
		There was no reason to.
		But you could hear the flames crackling in it and feel heat from it, but there wasn't anything there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now that's weird.
unidentified		Now, have you ever heard of anything like that?
		I know it happened.
		Everybody that worked there knew it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it happen?
unidentified		We could never come up with an explanation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it happen frequently?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I'd like that.
unidentified		Well, it was a spooky old place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just every now and then happened, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you could go over near it and warm yourself by the invisible.
unidentified		You could feel heat from it.
		You could hear the fire crackling, but you didn't see any fire.
		It was just there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you're the first.
unidentified		Well, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But this is a place for first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your story.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I have no idea what to say about that.
		No idea.
		The manifestations of whatever it is on the other side are nearly endless.
		You've heard how many tonight.
		How can you not wonder, as our scientists wonder about the 100 million planets that they say have inhabited intelligent life, how can you not wonder about the kind of stories you're hearing this morning?
		How can you not?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Finally, I got through.
		It's the seventh time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm living in Reno, Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-O-H.
unidentified		I'm looking at my black cat right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have two of them.
unidentified		Yes, and my cat's name is Shadow.
unidentified		I've had him for two years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding?
unidentified		No, when I heard you had a shadow, too, I said, oh, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, and Shadow was so named because of Ghost.
unidentified		Oh, I know.
		I know the whole story.
		I listen to you every night I have for four years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every night.
		Well, I'm glad to hear that.
		So is KOH, I'm sure.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Now, I've got to tell you my quick short story.
		I have a lot of stories.
		I lived in a house that was like the Amédeville horror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
unidentified		Yes.
		But that's a long story.
		But I got a short one.
		When I was in high school, late 50s, I had an old 49 Ford, and I was driving down one of the Reno streets with my girlfriend.
		And we were talking, but now we're quiet, and this beautiful classical music came on.
		And it was very loud.
		It was too loud.
		And I looked at her, could you turn down the radio?
		And she says, yeah, that's loud.
		And she reached over and she said, you don't have a radio.
		No.
		And I said, all right.
		And we never discussed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can under.
unidentified		That reminds me of that fireplace story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Same type of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of like that, isn't it?
		It's energy.
		It's energy from someplace else.
		It's a projection or it's a time slip or Who knows what it is?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's something.
unidentified		And I wrote you a note must have been a year ago when you first started fooling around with the Ouija board.
		And I wrote to you at your home and told you, please don't fool with the Ouija board.
		And I don't think you remember you get so many letters and things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, this Ouija board thing is something I will listen to stories, but I really won't talk about it.
unidentified		Yeah, but about six months ago, you said a Halloween, you would discuss it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did.
unidentified		That it must be really something.
unidentified		I would love to hear the story because I've got my own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you want to briefly tell us yours, go ahead.
unidentified		Oh, I wrote you a letter on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I know, but now you're on the radio.
unidentified		I was in Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my husband was watching my friend and I play the Ouija board.
unidentified		And he decided to blindfold us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
unidentified		You know, because we were working it.
unidentified		We were really working it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		And we're blindfolded.
unidentified		And suddenly the little plachette, that's what you call the little triangle thing you put your fingers on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Flew out.
		And I pull a blindfold out.
		I said, what'd you do, Bruce?
		You know, knock the thing?
		He says, no, I held a crucifix over it.
		Do you remember that story now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
		Yes.
		And, you know, it's so serious.
unidentified		It's very serious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And people don't understand, and they think, oh, gee, let's have some fun.
		Let's play with a Ouija board.
		And I used to feel the same way.
unidentified		I know, because I listened to your show.
		Like I say every night, I was really concerned about you.
		That's why I wrote you the note.
		I was really concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with good reason.
unidentified		Yes, because I knew.
unidentified		But now you know, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're correct.
		Now I know.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, take care.
		There are a few things that I won't talk about.
		That really is one of them.
		And I really do.
		I'm giving you good advice here when I tell you.
		Don't play with Ouija boards.
		They're not toys.
		You know, I didn't even know if they're sold anymore.
		I would imagine that occasionally you could find one somewhere.
		but if I were you, I wouldn't even go to look.
		I wouldn't even...
		You're listening to a collection of real.
		Oh, you can hear the voices.
		Real stories of the supernatural.
		Ghost stories.
		Stories of other dimensions, other realities, other times.
		I'm not really sure what it is.
		I'm just sure that it is.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		Art Bell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
		That's 702-727-1295.
		First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again, Art Bell.
		I can sure tell you how to send good spirits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Send flowers.
		You never mistake those for evil.
		You never mistake flowers for a bad message.
unidentified		It's always warmth, love, caring, feeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And believe me, it works.
		Absolutely fresh flowers is the company of which I speak.
		They sell flowers to you directly from a flower farm.
		And you get more flowers than you can believe.
		Miniature carnations, every single color of the rainbow.
		If there's somebody in your family who's got a birthday or an anniversary or any special day at all, you can't go wrong.
		You call them, they go out and cut them right there at the farm, pack them up in a big triangular box, and they get delivered the next day by FedEx.
		Or on the day you specify, now think, is there somebody with a birthday or an anniversary coming up?
		You can take care of it right now.
		You can say, look, I want them delivered on such and such a date, and I guarantee they'll be there.
		And you'll just bowl them right over.
		Absolutely fresh flowers.
		The number to call right now or anytime, write it down for heaven's sakes.
		People call me up, panic, trying to get the number.
		The number is 1-800-562-6438.
		That's 1-800-562-6438.
		It works.
		East of the Rockies, you're on Ghost2Ghost AM.
unidentified		Good morning, Semper Paradis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from?
unidentified		Jacksonville, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to have you.
unidentified		It's great to be here.
unidentified		I've been enjoying your ghost stories, and it's one of the few times I've been able to tune you in here and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What station are you managing to get us on?
unidentified		W-O-K-V.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		W-O-K-V.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And just, like I said, I've been enjoying your ghost stories and everything.
unidentified		And then after hearing about that great icebreaker you were on, I was an ASM stationed in the Gulf of Mexico out of Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And we've had a I don't know whether to give you the Coast Guard's official version or our official version of some of the stuff we had seen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You tell me what you know.
unidentified		Okay, this was 1980, 1983, right there.
		We had several experiences of seeing what we termed as ghost ships.
		And it would never show up on the radar, but we would hear it from small boats, 41-footers and stuff, of seeing different glowing three-masted type schooner type ships, I guess what you would maybe call an old pirate type ship, old, you know, ship of maybe the Continental Navy type stuff or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And then it would be gone.
unidentified		And generally this would happen like during the time of a harvest moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There must be energy connected to things and events, and that's all I can figure.
		Ships that come back, ships that linger, maybe ships that went down.
		Now I'm going to ask you the opposite.
		What did the Coast Guard say about this?
		I mean, if you guys would see it and file a report.
unidentified		Well, we were, I'll put it this way, I was sent for psychological evaluation two different times.
		Uh-huh.
		Had, well, let's see, the first time I was sent to NASA Bay there, and got to talk with some of the Air Force's people and some of the government's people, and they'd tell us, oh, well, you know, what you've seen was an electrical phenomenon that was caused by, you know, different types of gravity and all, you know, just a bunch of junk.
		Uh-huh.
		The second time I was told it was some sort of fluorescent stuff caused by the ocean.
		But personally, I mean, believe me, I've jumped out of too many helicopters and hit that water and some cold stuff and some warm stuff, and that there was a cold that you would never forget.
		You know, it was just that real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you, sir, and I believe you.
unidentified		Very unbelievable, but you're very believable also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you, Jacksonville, Florida.
		I do.
		I hear you, and I believe you.
		And you should believe people like that, too, because these things do happen.
		It's part of our world unless you turn it off.
		And I guess you can turn it off.
		And if you do, in all likelihood, these things will not occur to you or around you, or you will not be aware of them, and you may laugh at them.
		I fear that these things will not occur.
		And if that's your way of handling it, I don't fault you for that.
		That's fine.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Fairbanks, Alaska.
unidentified		Listen to KFAR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way up in Fairbanks, Alaska.
unidentified		Yeah, we're having a heat wave up here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yeah.
		Shouldn't it be getting cold up there now?
unidentified		Well, we've only got maybe two inches, three inches of snow, about 36 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real heat wave.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I just wanted to mention, I don't think anybody's told you, but one of your favorite singers is going to be here this Friday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who?
unidentified		Maria Muldauer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is going to be in Fairbanks?
unidentified		Fairbanks, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I hope everybody in Fairbanks says hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art said hi to Maria.
unidentified		I wish I could go see her, but I work nights.
unidentified		I just don't work tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that just about everybody who will be going is listening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So everybody, please tell her Art said hi.
unidentified		Yeah.
		That's cool.
		Quickly, I got a couple of real short things, and then I got a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I think God has sent a sign.
		It's that scream that you are playing that is a Sasquatch.
		In Australia, they call the Sasquatch a Yowie.
		And here in Alaska, they don't call it a Sasquatch, but they call it Hairy Man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They call it what?
unidentified		Hairy Man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hairy Man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
unidentified		Hairy Man.
		And they've got a good article in the Alaska Magazine.
		Mm-hmm.
		Which I should put one in an envelope and send it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would very much enjoy that.
unidentified		I think you would.
		Anyway, the story is about a truck, a semi, that had been in a wreck and killed the driver, but there was no trailer attached to it.
		And the truck was repaired and put on a lot, and it was sold.
		Well, every time it was sold, the person that bought it would bring it back and said they couldn't drive it.
		Something was weird with the truck.
		They kept bringing it back every time.
		Finally, one lady bought it.
		She wanted to get into the trucking, and she dealt with it.
		She just had to prove to her family and everyone around her that she could survive in the trucking industry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I may miss some of this because I read this in a little trucking magazine thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I think it happened in Kentucky.
		And every time she went by, she would get a cold feeling over her shoulder every time she went through this one area.
		It was like the truck was begging her to go through here or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And as it turned out, the guy that got killed in that truck had left his trailer somewhere, but it was never found.
		It was never traced.
		They could never find it.
		But he had parked it next to a cliff.
		And somehow the cliff gave way, and it buried the trailer.
		And every time she went by this area, she got a cold feeling in that truck.
		And finally, the rains or something washed that truck, and it showed it.
		And she somehow got hooked up to that truck.
		And she took that truck to its final destination.
		And ever since then, that cold feeling in that truck disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		Now, is that a story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a story.
unidentified		But I was sitting in a semi.
unidentified		I don't remember where a truck stopped reading this, and I just got cold shivers all over me when I read this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can imagine.
unidentified		And I couldn't wait to get through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you made it through, sir.
		Thank you.
		And again, that's weird.
		It's like, do you think it was the spirit of the person who originally had it?
		had that truck or or are machines and things energy uh in the sense that people have energy or maybe in a different but similar sense i don't know so many questions so few answers so many questions on our first time caller line you're on the air oh mr bell hi Oh,
unidentified		I can't believe I got through to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You made it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Uh, I'm the unknown caller, but I'm west of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		All right.
		Hey, um, I'm listening to your ghost show, and I listened to you last year, and I thought it was great.
		That's why I'm staying up tonight listening to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm an atheist, like Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there's a lot of things I don't believe, and I listen to these ghost stories, and I throw them away.
		But there are something that happened to me, like when I was 20 years old, I had a roommate, and she was a single mother.
		We lived in a two-bedroom apartment, you know, it was totally platonic and everything like that.
		And one night, in the middle of the night, she comes blasting into my room, crying and screaming that she saw her father, her dead father, standing over her sister's casket.
		And her sister was just, you know, like 18 years old, and her sister wasn't dead.
		And she said her father was telling her, your sister's going to be hurt.
		She's not going to die, but it's going to be close.
		And so I'm going, well, anyway, I calm her down and, you know, get her back into bed.
		Anyway, the next day, we get a phone call from her mother saying that her sister was seriously injured in a car wreck.
		And you go to the hospital and everything in Sierra and she's like an ICU, you know, and she's barely hanging on by a thread.
		And I never gave much thought to it, you know.
		Okay, her sister pulled through and stuff.
		But it's always bugged me that like the day before the accident happened, my roommate came in and screaming and crying that she saw her deceased father over her sister's casket just right there in her bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it bugs you.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you're not an atheist.
unidentified		Well, you're an agnostic.
		No, an agnostic is just a godless atheist, I've always thought.
		But I'm listening to your show again, and this is bringing up stuff that there's no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the whole point.
		I mean, how can you listen to this?
		You know, these are serious stories.
		As you know, I treat it seriously, and so my callers do.
		And how can you listen to this and not become a gutless atheist?
unidentified		Well, yeah, it's exactly right.
		I don't believe everyone who calls your show is a liar.
		They're not.
		These things are stuff that happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		These things do happen.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
		I thank you for the call.
		I mean, how can you be?
		How can you listen?
		And then how can you say there is nothing?
		When we die, we just simply pass.
		Into blackness.
		Into nothingness.
		That this life all goes for naught.
		That the energy that is our being beyond our physical bodies is not.
		Does not exist?
		I don't think so.
		No, I'm sorry, sir.
		You sound more like the gutless atheist you described.
		Or put more digestibly, an agnostic.
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		All right, back to it we go.
		And on the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		This is Judy, and I'm in Oregon.
		And I wanted to tell you that we live in a haunted house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now you do.
unidentified		Yes, we do.
unidentified		We have for about eight years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you turn your radio off for us, please?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Matt, turn the radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Matt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish it.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's quite all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in what form of manifestation do you get?
unidentified		Well, when we bought it, it's actually an antique store, and we live upstairs.
		And when we bought it, I moved in before my husband did to get things straightened out.
		And the first day I was there, I went and was cleaning and everything, and it's on the second floor.
		And I went out the back door onto a porch area and was shaking out some rugs.
		And all of a sudden, the door slammed behind me.
		And it's a very large store over about 8,000 square feet.
		So I'm up there all by myself.
		It's getting dusk, and I couldn't get back in.
		Oh, boy.
		And it faces the river, so I don't have too many neighbors.
		Finally, I did notice somebody next door about 20 minutes later walking around, and I'm yelling and screaming to him to come help me get out.
		He's back inside.
		So he did come around and jumped the fence, and I had left a door open downstairs, found his way upstairs, and lo and behold, he says, how did you get out there?
		And I says, well, I went out through the door.
		I have a deadbolt on that door, and he had to open the deadbolt to get me in.
		And that was the first of many, many experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I've always wanted to ask somebody this, and so I'm going to ask you.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why, pray tell, are you still there?
unidentified		Well, they're not anything but pranksters.
unidentified		I'm not afraid of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's more of a sort of a pulling tricks on you kind of deal.
unidentified		Yes, yes, because another incident was downstairs we have things like, you know, the gym bean decanter bottles?
		We sell those as collectibles.
		And we went down, and it's on a cement floor.
		And one morning we went down and there were six of them in a circle on the floor about four feet from the shelves.
		So things like that happen all the time.
		And people are there when they happen, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder in the paranormal world what a circle of booze bottles mean.
unidentified		I don't know, but they're young people and I'm sure they don't have ID cards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the call.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		Bye-bye.
		And I'm sure they don't have ID.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air on Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Angela in Cheyenne, Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Angela.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Cheyenne?
unidentified		Cold.
unidentified		Cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear it's starting to get cold up there.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		There was a guy that called earlier, and he'd mentioned something about Effie Warren.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I wanted to say it is haunted.
unidentified		I've heard several stories from out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About the airbase?
unidentified		It's here in Cheyenne, and it is haunted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, any place where many deaths have occurred, particularly a combative kind of death, is a place where spirits linger.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I just wanted to plug that real quick, and then I had a story that I wanted to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, real quick.
unidentified		I guess about six months ago, my little brother came over to my house, and he was telling me that a friend of his, she was a young lady, newlywed, had two really, really young children, had just found out she had cancer, and she was going to be passing away soon.
unidentified		The doctor didn't give her more in about two weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll tell you what.
		That's a good cliffhanger.
		We're not going to be able to finish, so I'm going to put you on hold and let you hold.
		You won't hear anything.
		Don't let it worry you.
		And we'll get back to you after the break, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay right there.
		In Cheyenne, where it's beginning to get cold, would that be cold as in Universal, or would that be cold as in cold spots?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		Yeah.
		We continue with your calls to the Kingdom of Times and Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Now here again is Art.
		Like an orange tray, a cat sitting on a fence.
		Hey there, Halloween.
		Am I freaking out?
		Have they?
		I'm flat broke but I don't care I shot right by with my tail in the air Stay tuned Straight cash, John, I'm on I was feeling castin'over Get a shoe thrown at me from a meat old man Get my dinner from a garbage can From behind where the moon hangs by my path.
		It's kind of eerie out there right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Ghost.
unidentified		Now, Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		And now back to our ghostly young lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're back on the air again.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Okay.
		So my brother was really devastated about this young lady when he found out that she was passing away.
		He was the first to be able to get her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, get into that telephone and talk up now.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Anyway, is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a little better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to stay into it and talk.
unidentified		Project.
		Okay.
		My brother was friends with this lady, but I didn't know her.
		And my heart really went out to her, though, thinking that she was going to pass away and leave those two young children and her husband behind.
		And I kept thinking about her, and I just couldn't get her out of my mind, like day and night for, let's say, four or five days.
		And I was standing in my bathroom, and I felt something really strange, like almost a finger or something going across the top of my head.
		And I put my hand up there, and there was some kind of like a sticky goo on the top of my head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You'd been slimed.
unidentified		That's what my husband said, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's got a good sense of humor.
unidentified		I don't know if it had anything to do with her, but it was just really weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might have.
		But it's a good slime story, and I thank you for bringing it to us.
		We get one at least one every Halloween.
		There is something about ghosts or entities or whatever you want to call them that many times involves a kind of strange slime.
		So when they did Ghostbusters, they kind of did a play on that, but there's nothing to play with.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		How are you?
		I'm okay.
		I don't have an actual story, but I actually wanted to answer kind of a question you asked earlier about Ouija boards, like whether Network could get them.
		And you might find this pretty scary.
		Apparently, it's marketed by Parker Brothers.
		Actually, I think a couple days ago, I just saw a commercial about a bunch of kids playing Ouija boards.
		Really?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's fine.
		I guess you can get them.
		If you want to get them, go ahead.
		My advice is don't do it.
unidentified		You don't have to tell me.
		Actually, I kind of think it's a stupid thing that they're doing.
		I'm an occultist myself, so I've studied this field, and so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, it's just a board.
		If Parker Brothers wants to sell it, that's fine.
		It's like sitting down.
		It doesn't matter whether, in my opinion, whether it's a Ouija board or some other instrument that you're inviting, you're concentrating on, and you're consciously inviting an entity to you.
		You know not what you do.
		It's not like Monopoly.
		It's not like playing Monopoly where you're worried about getting a hotel to wipe the other guy out.
		You're sitting down to consciously invite an entity to direct you.
		It is not a good idea.
		Whether it's a Ouija board or whether it's a Monopoly board or anything else, if the intent is to invite something in, you be damn sure you think hard about it before you invite something in you don't want to keep you company.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, I want to speak to Bart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bart?
		This is Bart, Bart Simpson.
		Turn your radio off, please.
		Yes, I just did.
		Okay, go right ahead.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hi.
		Yeah, I've just...
		It's so weird.
		I've just got...
		It's about my brother who died.
		And he died, like, maybe about five years ago.
		And when he was younger, he had a car wreck.
		And I guess what you'd call it, a neared death experience.
		He was in a hospital for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm kind of nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		I can tell.
		That's all right.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I can see his presence now.
		When he was younger, he had a near-death experience.
		And I think he did I always thought he was special, but he always said like, you know, he's just not special.
		He thought that it's like everybody had the power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why did you think he was special?
unidentified		Um he was always interested in the groom food and the things like martial arts and power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The martial arts contribute to extra strength and well I don't know about that, but it does, thank you, contribute to a concentration and the martial arts focus you and whenever you focus you can run into something you might not expect.
		Here's an interesting facts that just showed up.
		Art, I just got off work and it took me a while to settle down And a couple of stiff drinks, so I can tell this to you.
		I've been home for about an hour now, and this is just exactly what happened.
		Let me start out.
		I work at a hospital emergency room.
		Consider myself a level-headed guy.
		I do not believe in ghosts, that is.
		Tonight I was riding my bicycle home from work.
		In point of fact, I was listening to you, reminiscing that it had been about a year since I'd been riding home at night, alone.
		It's been almost one year to the hour since my old riding buddy was killed while riding alone on this same street last year.
		We generally had rode together.
		All the time on this particular night, I'd called in ill, stayed home.
		My buddy Phil was run over by a drunk driver, not found for an hour or more, and died en route to the hospital.
		His bloodstains still mark the curb where his head struck, snapping his lower neck.
		Tonight, while riding home, I became aware of a feeling of having something like the sound of a car tire behind me, and yet there were no cars on the street.
		I kept hearing the sound, kept looking around, sound got so loud, I could hear through the radio.
		In other words, I was listening to the radio.
		I finally took off the headphones, stopped, and looked down the street.
		I saw Phil standing on his back next to me.
		As fast as light, I got on my bike and sped home.
		Phil stayed with me until I reached the crossroads where he died.
		I swear, I saw him, big as life.
		I can't tell you if I was having a 60s flashback or not.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I wanted to give you a little story about my experience of the Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Dan from Fairbanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Dan.
unidentified		I was about 18.
		Just graduated from high school, and this girl and I were playing with the Ouija board one night, and didn't think much of it, and I went home, and woke up the next morning, and I had a big antique Chinese mirror that sat on my dresser.
		It was probably three foot by four foot.
		Probably weighed about 60 or 70 pounds.
		When I woke up, this mirror was sitting right at the foot of my bed on the floor, face down.
		I didn't think much of it except that I had a bunch of model cars that I had collected and built and some models of clones and stuff sitting on top of my dresser.
		And nothing had been disturbed, which meant that for this mirror to get where it was, it would have had to be lifted up off of the dresser, over everything that was on the dresser, moved about two feet from the dresser, turned at a 90-degree angle, and laid face down on the floor.
		Well, and that next night, we played with the Ouija board again.
		Went home, went to bed.
		Early in the morning, about two or three o'clock in the morning, I hear this big, loud crash.
		I wake up, the mirror's in the same position on the floor, in the same exact spot, with the mirror broke into a hundred or so little pieces, and everything on the dresser was laying all over the floor.
		Need to say that was the last time I ever touched a Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
		Thank you very much.
		Again, you invite things in when you do that, and you don't know what you're inviting in.
		It's like opening a door to a world where things exist, good and bad.
		Do you invite strangers into your home?
		Do you call on the street when somebody passes and invite them into your home, not knowing them?
		No.
		Then why would you want to do it with a Ouija board?
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		And both sides of the bed, now it gets even more unique.
		Because each side of the bed can control the bed to be either stiff as a board, if you've got a bed back the way I do, or soft as a feather bed, or individually on, you know, from night to night, you can make it conform to your body.
		It is select comfort, and we don't expect you to buy out of the blue just based on what I've said.
		I've given you the outline.
		You call them.
		They'll send you a free videotape.
		And then you can take a good look.
		If you decide you want to buy it, then you get a 90-day in-home risk-free trial.
		The number to call to get the videotape to take the first step is 1-800-4485700.
		That's 1-800-4485700.
		Now, money.
		Pretty important in this terrestrial world, eh?
		When you look ahead in your life, do you see a cushy retirement with lots of money?
		Or do you see yourself barely making it?
		Are you working nine to five now?
		Putting away a lot of money, are you?
		Saving it?
		No?
		Well, you might want to meet Ken Roberts, and we can introduce you.
		He is a financial investor and educator, and he's known around the world in 89 countries for his honesty, integrity, and something very special.
		His unique ability to teach people just like us how to invest in commodities with minimum risk.
		We've talked to a lot of people like Tim in California, a Learjet pilot.
		He made $30,000 profit.
		Bob in Utah, retiring from truck driving after he made $48,000 in his first year.
		Now look, commodities are usually regarded as a very risky venture, but not with Ken Roberts.
		He'll teach you how to invest, and you invest on paper until you're confident, and then you'll just throw the paper away, start using money, because, you know, who wants to be losing that kind of money?
		That's how confident you will get.
		Now, we will send you what's called a money kit.
		A 44-page report and a cassette tape, free of charge.
		You look it over, decide if you want to give it a try.
		Call Ken Roberts Company.
		He's got a good number, too.
		It's 1-800-GOLD, K-R-C.
		1-800-GOLD, as in that that glitters, and K-R-C, as in Ken Roberts Company.
		Again, 1-800-GOLD, K-R-C.
		How many of you remember a time when you could take a penny to the corner grocery store and there you could buy a nice piece of candy or even a postcard?
		Well, of course, today the convenience stores have a bowl of pennies on the counter with a sign that usually says, take one if you need one.
		Can the dollar be far behind?
		You know, you really can't buy anything for a penny anymore.
		In fact, a dollar will only buy what a dime would a few years ago.
		The only form of money that still buys what it did once before is gold.
		Over a hundred years ago, an ounce of gold was worth $20.
		For that, you could buy a very nice new suit.
		Today, that same ounce of gold is worth nearly $400, and guess what?
		You can still buy a really nice suit.
		Today, you need to have some gold in your investment portfolios for protection and profit.
		My friends at North American Trading will be happy to show you how you can own gold in privacy and safety.
		It's really simpler than you might think.
		Call 1-800-877-9799 and ask for their free information.
		Investors have always turned to gold during times of inflation and economic uncertainty.
	Don't wait till it may be too late.
	Call 1-800-877-9799.
	You don't have to be rich to own gold.
	Just smart.
	All right, back to the lines we go.
	Now, I want to say again, if you would like a copy of this show, this particular program, we do offer copies of this.
	It is a yearly event called Ghost to Ghost AM.
	And the way to get a copy of it is to call 24 hours a day, 1-800-917-4278.
	That's 1-800-917-4278.
	24 hours a day.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Robert from New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Robert.
unidentified		First, let me say I got your book yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
unidentified		I'm very, very happy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that, tell everybody, I've really not been soliciting comment yet, but is that one quality book or what?
unidentified		Oh, yes, sir, it is.
unidentified		It's much better than I thought it would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
		I'm glad to hear it.
		We'll do a day later this week and solicit comment.
		Anyway, it is Ghost to Ghost Night.
unidentified		Okay, in New Orleans, I guess you know we bury people above ground here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, my grandmother's buried in one of these old cemeteries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		We go and we clean them out every so often.
		You know, clean up around them and weed them.
		And me and my younger son will go walking and looking for the dates on each one of these tombs.
		As we're going through one day, we notice that a couple of them have been broken into.
		So we start looking into them and we're seeing that the bodies have been disturbed, the caskets are open or broken or chipped out in corners.
		As we go to one of the oldest ones, which is about a block down from my grandmother, it was an eight-year-old girl who died during the time that there was a bad scarlet fever going around in New Orleans where thousands of people had died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		As I climb up to look in there, I notice there are two bodies in there, but these are recent bodies, like a day or two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like the people who had been desecrating?
unidentified		Yes, that's exactly who they were.
		There was two of them, two young men, one face down and one face up.
		The one face up had an expression on his face like you've never seen in your life.
		I ran and told the keepers of the ground, and they called the police, and the police came and everything.
		And two weeks later, I had called to ask, you know, what had happened to the guys.
		And he said, as far as I can tell, both guys had died of heart attacks.
		And the one who I saw, I'm sure, died of fright.
		And they said the coffin where the little girl had been in was, of course, opened.
		It was a metal coffin at the time.
		And they said they guessed they were robbing them at the time, and something happened that scared them to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, what a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a true story?
unidentified		Oh, yes, it's very true.
unidentified		My son talks about it all the time, and every Halloween, it's the first thing we start telling the rest of the family about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, thank you for sharing that with us.
		No, I really do mean that.
		Thank you.
		But that is a scary story.
unidentified		Yep, it was.
unidentified		It bothers me once in a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can only imagine what they saw.
unidentified		I know what they saw.
unidentified		The little girl took her revenge when they tried to break into her cop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
unidentified		All righty, take care, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I'm Mary from Bakersfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		Oh, pretty good, but that one did scare me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		I can just imagine that.
		If mine scared me, that one scared me more.
		Now, this happened when I was about 18, 19.
		It was about 3.30 in the morning, I guess, and it was wintertime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like about now.
unidentified		Well, no, it's not cold up here yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I meant the time.
unidentified		It's a little difficult.
		And I was asleep in bed, and I woke up, and I was sleeping on my left side, and all of a sudden I woke up, and I turned over to my right side, and I was facing the door of the bedroom, and being cold, I had the habit of throwing the covers over my head.
		Well, I did that this time, and all of a sudden, about maybe two, three minutes passed, and I started getting scared, very, very frightened.
		And I tried to come out from under the covers, and I couldn't pull them off.
		And I mean, I clawed at them and just pulled, and I couldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I wouldn't like that.
unidentified		And all of a sudden...
		Well, these didn't.
		Since then, I've never slept with the covers on my head ever since then.
		All of a sudden, there was a scream in my ear, just a shrill scream that my head just, you know how you feel when you're, you've been screamed in your ear when you were small before, you know, kids.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And my head just, I mean, it just vibrated the way that scream.
		And I try to call my father, and I'd open my mouth and nothing would come out.
		And I'd just be open and gasping and trying to call.
		And finally, I managed to just say, Daddy, just barely got it out.
		And when I said that, then the covers came off.
		I was still trying to take them off, and they came off all of a sudden.
		And, well, like I said, ever since then, I just do not sleep with the covers over my head, not a sheet now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My dear lady, I've heard a lot of, I jumped under the cover story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I have never, never, never heard I went under the covers and then tried to get out and the covers wouldn't come off.
unidentified		I know they just would not come off.
unidentified		And like I said, I still do not sleep under with my head under the covers anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't say I blame you, but it's like, gee, there's nowhere to hide.
unidentified		Well, hide under the bed.
		There's no place.
		Get underneath the bed or someplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I appreciate your story.
		It is unlike any I have ever heard.
		And I'm afraid it's going to have to be the topper for the day.
		I'm afraid.
unidentified		Well, I'll be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, the night just kind of flew by, as it were.
unidentified		Well, I've been trying for quite a few years to get in.
unidentified		This is the first time I managed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been trying for years?
unidentified		Well, about four or five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I kind of wish you wouldn't say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It discourages people.
unidentified		Oh, it shouldn't because I finally got through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, there you are.
		All right, now.
		All right.
		Well, wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		There's a tradition here.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With our last caller.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get to say, good night, America.
unidentified		Oh, good.
unidentified		Good night, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Well, it has been fun and a little scary.
		But you tend to get what you ask for, and I wanted scary stories, and y'all did not disappoint me.
		That last one from New Orleans kind of got to me, though.
		At any rate, again, I want to remind you to get a copy and archive of this program.
		Stripped of the commercials with only the frightening content remaining.
		You can call 1-800-917-4278.
		Let me give you that number one more time.
		1-800-917-4278.
		Thank you all who joined us during the night.
		And all I guess I can say is from the high deserts.

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