Art Bell’s Ghost to Ghost AM (1995) explores eerie encounters, from Casey’s Detroit séance summoning Satan via a trident imprint to Jim’s Phoenix bed-trashing linked to a 1981 strangulation. Callers describe ghostly women on California’s "Blood Alley," psychic visions of robed figures in blue light, and a haunted Air Force base with blue-eyed apparitions. A San Francisco caller feels their father’s presence during karaoke, while a Kentucky driver avoids a smiling corpse near Chateau Liberté. Bell warns against Ouija boards—even Parker Brothers’ versions—as dangerous gateways—and ties recurring spirits to unresolved trauma or paranormal hotspots like death-haunted roads. The episode blends unsettling firsthand accounts with cautionary advice, leaving listeners questioning whether some forces linger beyond logic. [Automatically generated summary]
Anyway, have you ever seen anything you could not explain?
unidentified
Well, yeah, I had a, probably about 20 years ago, me and my brother and sister got together and we decided we were going to get out the old Ouija board and have a seance.
And, of course, the first person you call up from the dead is George Washington, and nothing seemed to happen, and all the lights were out in the house.
And then my brother decided that he was going to call Satan.
And next thing you know, we heard a gust of wind, and the front door, we had a vestibule at the front of the house, and just a flimsy door, and that swung shut.
So it would have taken an action of somebody pulling it or suction, you know, a really strong breeze or something to shut the door.
Sure.
And we got startled and we ran over there and didn't see anything.
And we flicked on the light and the light didn't work.
So we went to get a light bulb.
We put it in and we had like a two by four carpet in the vestibule.
And the impression left on the carpet was the trident, the devil's spear.
Well, when I worked in Las Vegas, and for a number of years I did the program in Las Vegas from the Union Plaza Hotel, it was called at that time.
And one night when I was doing a show, this very night, as a matter of fact, a lady called up and claimed to be a witch.
She gave me some very, very disconcerting information, personal knowledge, which I actually bleeped off the air.
It was so personal, I couldn't believe that she could possibly, possibly know these things about me.
And toward the end of the call, she said she was going to come and leave something for me.
Well, She left me a Ouija board.
An ancient, ancient, ancient Ouija board.
I have never, nor will I to this day, tell you what has happened to that Ouija board.
But when you call upon spirits, when you call upon the dark side, and you do it with something, an instrument, it does not matter, you'd better be damn careful what you're doing.
Ouija boards are an opening.
They're an opening into a world where there are things that you may not really wish to meet.
So my advice to you, without telling you the detailed story of this board, which is frightening, my advice to you is do not play with Ouija boards.
It's like opening a door, and you just don't know what's going to walk through.
And I was sitting there and I was watching my smoke from my cigarette go up and all of a sudden I seen a face kind of appear into it, you know, the smoke going up into the air.
It might be a wonderful night for some of you to get this photograph.
If you have a computer and a modem, we've got a bulletin board service, and you can go in and get a photograph of this ghost.
Actually, there are several ghost photographs.
Oh, by the way, my guest this last Sunday on Dreamland sent me a photograph of a tornadic ghost.
I don't know if that's a word.
But it is obviously some sort of plasma material at the top of a staircase in the shape of a tornado.
Now, down toward the bottom of the tornado, it's translucent.
In other words, you can begin to look through it and see the stairs.
It's the damnedest thing you've ever seen.
I'm going to get that one up on the bulletin board for you as soon as they send it to me to scan.
I've got a scan of it right now, but I want to be able to scan it myself at a higher resolution rate.
If you want to see a ghost, there is a man in Arizona who was a stone mason.
He built stone, you know, he did basements, and he did a wine cellar for a fellow in about a hundred-year-old house.
He was very proud of the work that he did, and when he was done, he took a photograph of his stone masonry work.
It was beautiful.
Only thing is, when the picture came out, quite clearly, a translucent being appeared in the photograph, and it was captured very, very well on film.
And we have published this photograph in our newsletter.
And I might add, I've got it on our bulletin board, so if you want to download the picture of the ghost, you can call area code 702-727-1709 24 hours a day.
Let me give that number to you again.
702-727-1709.
And if you're able to download with ZModem protocol, you can download a photograph of this ghost.
You take a look.
There's a face, there's a body, there's arms, there's legs.
It's a ghost.
It's clear.
It's in color.
There is no mistake about it.
There's some sort of spirit, some sort of entity in that photograph.
And you're welcome to download it and take a look for yourself.
We do a lot of that.
We try to make some of this material available to you so it does not all have to be the theater of the mind.
That's what radio is.
I want you to be able to see what I see so that you can see that I'm not totally crazy.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This is Aaron calling from Los Banos, California.
Hi.
Hi, I have a really good ghost story I wanted to tell you.
Now, was this manifesting itself simply through moving on the Ouija board and spelling things out?
unidentified
That's the way it started.
We were asking questions of it.
At first, we didn't know that it was evil, but having done the Ouija board for several years prior to that, we've learned to ask appropriate questions to determine whether it's a positive or a negative entity.
And after having determined that it was a negative entity, we were going to stop, but the rest of the people in the room wanted to continue because they were fascinated.
So we went ahead and continued with it, which of course was our mistake.
It's Ghost Stories and Ghost to Ghost all night long.
Tywan, let me take care of business here at the beginning.
Then we'll jump back into how's that?
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Folks, I've got on the line with me Dr. Greg Cinemone, who helped to originate the amazing 18-hour phonics game.
I've been telling you about this.
It helps children.
It helps teenagers as well as adults learn to read, understand, and comprehend better.
Greg, what got you started in this endeavor?
unidentified
Well, I'll tell you, I'm like a lot of people, I think, are, where I tried another phonics method with my own kids.
I have two school-age kids.
I'm also a school therapist and did a lot of testing on kids as they're preparing to enter education.
And our kids read horribly in our society today.
In fact, here in California alone, we placed dead last in the nation, tied with Louisiana, in reading And spelling and grammar.
In fact, last year alone, 20% of all high school graduates could not even read their high school diplomas.
And so, what got me interested in the phonics game is that we're in a mess here.
And if we don't turn this around and figure out how to get back to basics, which is teaching the 44 sounds of the English language to our children and our teenagers, then I don't know where it's going to stop or where our kids are going to have to end up before we get back to the basics of education.
I'd suggest that what Greg has laid out before you right now is an opportunity to teach young people and adults how to read, spell, and comprehend better.
Now, what I want to know, first of all, before you continue, is I'd be out of there.
I mean, in a flash.
I'd be out of there.
Light begins to form where there ought not to be light.
The room gets cold.
unidentified
That'd be all I'd need.
Well, since my friend and I had been doing it for, you know, on a semi-regular basis for a couple years, you know, we were fairly fluent, at least up to that point.
We hadn't, you know, gotten anything that strong before, but we pretty much knew how to deal with it once it got to that point.
You know, my friend started getting sick to his stomach.
I started getting a little bit of a headache.
So we stopped with the board itself and basically moved back away, relaxed ourselves, started saying some prayers, started, at least I started imagining a golden light around myself, which is what I consider a protective light.
And went from there, and we just left the board alone, and the light did fade.
We turned on the room lights itself, and the light just faded out.
You can bring something like that into this world or across from wherever it comes from, and you can put your Ouija board away, and it won't matter because it's in.
unidentified
Right.
Right, yeah.
Once it's done its full transformation crossover, yeah.
So what would you advise people out there about Ouija boards?
unidentified
Well, first of all, there are several good books out there.
If you're really determined to use one, read the books on it first.
The best thing to do is to, you know, one of the most common questions, if you get a negative-oriented spirit, one of the most common questions that it will ask is, can I come in?
And never think that it's referring to coming into the room or into your home or whatever.
When it's asking that question, it's wanting to come into you.
And you always say no.
And if you get a question like that, I would suggest that you stop and don't mess with it anymore.
You're saying it was like he was in combat with some horse.
unidentified
I don't know what was going on, but what I can say that really frightened me was he was speaking out of his own mouth and cursing me and doing all this.
But there were multiple voices coming out.
Sometimes there were one, sometimes it sounded like two or three or five or six.
And then he stopped breathing and the guy was foaming at the mouth and that.
I went down, I checked his pulse and all that.
I had to give him CPR, get him breathing again, and I had to run over.
He pulled the phone out of the wall.
I had to run over to the neighbors and ask them to call the cops.
And then the cops, the fire department, the EMTs, all of them came over.
They took him off to ER.
And I thought, well, you know, when he was talking to me, it just, it was horrible.
Now, you see, I believe we had Brad Steiger on a couple of weeks ago, and actually we've been kind of doing the warm-up to Halloween for some time now.
But there are many, many stories like that.
It seems when many die, the energy that is us, the energy that may be our soul, our essence, whatever it is you want to call it, you give your own name to it, has something that it must say to somebody that it has left behind.
It must say it.
And somehow, that energy, either still here on earth or from elsewhere, finds its way back long enough to assure the person that it loves or to pass a message that must be passed.
Information that a loved one must have and somehow the energy makes it back.
Dr. Jones wanted an ER, and you really don't pay attention to these things.
That's right.
And anyway, I was upset, and she just calmed down.
I said, no, this is it.
I am upset.
And nothing you can say, Mother, is going to change my mind.
She says, well, I really think you need to cool down.
I said, well, nope, that's it.
At that point, we heard a voice walk by, and it just asked, in a real deep voice, where did you leave Ben?
And we didn't pay any attention to it until we walked about two feet.
And then my mom and I looked at each other, and we turned around together, and we saw a tall, almost Frankenstein-stature man and a short man.
And they both had on those white gowns, and their skin was gray-tone.
And we both looked at it, and then I kept looking at it, and then the tall guy turns around in like a Frankenstein stance and looks directly into my eyes.
And he lifts his head up just a bit, like telling me, you know, I'm going to get you.
Because you're vulnerable.
Because you can be mine.
And then he just turns around and he walks off with the other short guy.
And we both looked at them and their skin tone was like, it was gray as if they had been dead for years.
And then I looked at my mom and she looks at me and she says, make the sign of the cross.
You know, we both made the sign of the cross.
And she says, look, when you're this upset with somebody, the evil spirits know that you're vulnerable.
And at this point, she says, you need to cool down because this is how bad things happen.
And that when you're being negative and you're vulnerable and you don't have the fear of Christ or something that's more powerful than them, then they can get you.
But if you have, if you can say a prayer now and then, it's a matter of weakness.
It's a matter of weakness, like you were saying.
It's a matter of weakness, and they'll come right on in, and this is not bad things happening.
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This is from a retired Navy fellow.
Art, you had a show about airplane ghosts.
Well, here's one about ship ghosts.
I am retired, U.S. Coast Guard.
I served on the icebreaker glacier with a ghost.
I saw him only one time.
I was asleep in my stateroom when I heard a knock at the door.
The door opened, and a sailor, that's in quotes, leaned in and said, Mr. Blank, you're needed in B1 engineering room.
One of the mains is making bad noises, and the watch needs you.
Got to the engine room fast as I could.
The door opened as I got there, and one of the sailors said, I was just coming to get you.
I told him I came as soon as I was called.
His reply was, huh?
This just happened, and I was just coming to get you.
Another time I saw the hatch to the emergency diesel generator room close and the lock wheel spin and lock.
On entering the compartment, there was no one there.
It's a small area with no place for anyone human to hide.
The third time the ghost made himself known was to a woman who worked for the district office.
She was updating blueprints while we were moored in Long Beach.
Suddenly, it burst into the mess hall so scared she was shaking.
She told us she had seen a translucent, transparent sailor walk out of a bulkhead of the passageway, glare at her, continue on down the hall.
I'm a first-time caller, and I want to say that I personally never seen a ghost, but the story I wanted to tell you has been in the family over 90 years, so I thought I might tell you.
Well, my grandmother used to tell me, but her grandmother told her when she was a girl, her uncle, her mother's brother, his wife died after they had had a new baby, and he had a little girl that was six years old, and then they had a new baby.
Well, when he would get the little girl in the baby bedded down at night, you know, there were no electric lights.
It was just old shacks in South Carolina.
He would go out late at night, you know, for a couple of hours, you know, but he would leave a fire burning in the fireplace.
Well, one night he went out and he didn't come back.
He stayed out a little late, and the baby started to cry.
And the little girl, being six years old, she was afraid because the fire was burning out.
She was afraid to get up.
So after a while, the baby cried and cried.
After a while, she heard this thump, and then something came down the fireplace.
So the little girl said it looked like a big bird, and the bird stood right in front of the fireplace, and it started fanning its wings.
And the fire just rose up, and she could hear a voice saying, get up and get Mama's baby some water.
She couldn't see the face of the bird.
She could only see the back, but she knew that was her mother's voice.
So she walked around the bird and got the baby some water.
When the baby was back down, the bird went back up into the fireplace just like it came, and the fire burnt real high all night long.
And the little girl was telling her father about this big bird that came down the fireplace and told her to get up and get Mama's baby some water.
So when he told his mother, which is my grandmother's grandmother, my grandmother's 85 now, she told him never leave the children alone anymore.
But it was just amazing how something good, I guess we could call it a ghost or whatever, but the mother just wanted her to get a baby some water, you know, little girl like that.
The first hour of it is possibly some of the best I've ever seen.
It kind of deteriorated, in my view, after that, the television version.
But In the Stand, you may recall the large black evil bird.
Well, I broadcast, for those of you who are just joining us, from my home, here in the middle of the desert, in the middle of nowhere, in a little town called Pahrump, Nevada.
Laugh, if you will.
At any rate, our town is famous for many things, but one of them is big black birds.
And the movie they used, the bird they used for the movie, The Stand, came from right here in Verump.
And those birds are all around me.
So these are some of the biggest, but these birds are big enough to carry cats off.
Birds so big that if you can get near them and they begin to take off, their wingspan, well, as they begin to beat their wings to get their big bodies in the air, you can feel the draft.
So everything kind of chilled out a while and I'd say about five minutes passed.
She walks down the hall, comes back, and she's just saying, look, David wants us in his room now.
And, you know, just to kind of humor her, I guess, the grandmother told my friend to go in the room with her.
Sure.
And also, her older brother, the one that was older than the one that had died.
So I just followed, just, you know, because, I don't know, it's kind of like one of those little horror movies, I guess.
You want to know what's going on.
So I followed him into the room, and she's like pointing to these, I guess they're cupboards or whatever, but they're kind of like sliding doors above the bed.
And they're about six feet up in the air.
And she's like, he wants us to open those.
So my friend goes over to open it, and he can't make it budge.
He cannot make this little door to this cupboard slide over.
So he asks me to help him.
And I get up there, and I'm not a little guy.
I'm about 200 pounds and about six foot.
And I was budging and just pulling and pushing, and we tried everything to get this open.
There's two of us, and we couldn't do it.
And, you know, I'm starting to get a little, not really upset, but just aggravated.
it was the scariest thing I mean it Well, listen, thank you very much for the story.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
That, though, is typical.
And there are two things I would take from that.
One, again, a person who has died coming back to give a message that must be given.
Something that must be released from that spirit before it is released.
But the other aspect of that story that I find intriguing is that I believe that children, little children, have more of an ability to see, experience, or touch the other side than we do.
Now, I wouldn't pretend to be able to tell you why, and there are adult sensitives, certainly, who have either maintained or nurtured that ability to see or reach or talk to the other side.
But children in their innocence, I think, have something that the rest of us begin to lose as we get older.
Because of the noise of society, the noise level, the signal to noise level, if you will.
It was a deep thing that is either in all of us, or was once in all of us, or is still in all of us, that fades.
But, you know, in children, it has not yet faded.
So children have a unique kind of sensory ability the rest of us do not have.
And I finished the job about 2.30 in the morning, and I went up, and I had a couple of beers, and I laid down, and all of a sudden, I woke up, and I was at the top of the stairs.
We were staying on the second floor of the hotel.
And all of a sudden, I felt an arm around me, and it was like I heard a, hey, brother, go back to your room.
You've got to go to sleep.
Well, all of a sudden, the next night, I got a call from my mother that my brother had committed suicide, and he had died two days earlier on the 6th.
Well, anyway, if I may relate a story to your audience, I don't know if it's necessarily a ghost story, but I always thought it was spooky, and I always think of it from time to time, and I tell people, well, one Saturday morning, it was back in 1988.
It was two weeks before I was going to go out of town.
That's how I remember.
I started to wake up on a Saturday morning.
All of a sudden, this blue light shined.
It was like a blue light shined inside of my head.
I don't know, but for a moment, since then I haven't had something like this, but ironically, I'd been thinking that before I went to sleep, how we can possibly communicate with our ancestors psychically.
As soon as you suggested we turn down the lights if we dare, the lights in my room dimmed by half.
As I write this, they're still dim.
Oh, that's weird.
Really weird.
This is the night for weird.
Then this.
Hi, Art, Gray Joe.
First off, in my 35 years, I have never encountered anything of a strange nature before.
That is, until just recently.
I'll let you decide if this is a ghost story or not.
But I'm now convinced I've been living at an apartment complex for about two and a half years.
I work nights, therefore I sleep in the day.
Figures, I do too.
After a few months, a few months after moving into my apartment, I'd be awakened from a sound sleep by the feeling that someone was in bed with me.
It was as though someone was thrashing wildly about the bed.
But when I looked at the bed, it was as empty as was the bedroom.
This happened every day during the month of September and stopped after September 21st.
I thought it was just a sleep disorder.
Since it seemed to have disappeared, I soon forgot.
Then, the following September, the same thing happened.
And just as before, it stopped after the 21st.
I went to my doctor.
I discussed it with him, and he gave me some pills.
Anyway, last month, it began again, and the pills did not work.
As the 21st approached, the thrashing feeling would be more intense and last longer to the point where I could no longer get any sleep.
Now, after two days of no sleep, I came home from work, and a neighbor who I've been having a passing acquaintance with noticed my haggard look.
He asked me if I was sick.
I told him that I wasn't getting much sleep lately.
One thing led to another.
And before I knew it, I told him of my strange tale, but I left out the thing about it only happening during the month of September.
Now, this guy has lived at this complex for 15 years, and here's what he told me.
Quote, I often wondered why no one stayed for very long in your unit.
Now I think I know.
Back in September of 1981, a young lady lived in your apartment, and later that month was found dead on her bed.
The autopsy showed that she had been strangled and put up one hell of a fight.
End quote.
Now I believe the thrashing about my bed is the spirit of this lady.
Another thing that's strange is that it only happens during the day, not the night.
Therefore, I feel she must have died during the day.
What do you think?
What should I do?
Jim in Phoenix, Arizona.
Buddy, I wouldn't begin to try to tell you what to do.
I don't know.
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And at that time, as 13 years old, I was only about 5'1.
I didn't know how I was going to get out of here.
I remember screaming.
And I felt something around my feet, a pressure, not any, nothing that was grabbing onto me, but some kind of pressure that lifted me up out of that dirt.
And I was at a dead run, and I didn't stop until I got to the other side of the cemetery.
And my friends were there, and I was covered with dirt, and I was covered with all these, which I assume probably were termite bugs that were all over me.
And I never, to this day, have been in the cemetery.
I'm 48 years old, and I've never been back in the cemetery to this day.
Is this something that your family will not talk about?
unidentified
It's not something that they're proud of.
but it is something that everyone knows about.
There is a certain member in the family who is a keeper of the key to the crit, who does Yeah, I guess I would, just out of curiosity, because it's been something I've heard about all my life, and I'm curious about it.
Well, listen, I very much appreciate your call, but there's no way that I would.
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Now, you tell me, you explain to me, but that man is just like the women in the low-cut dresses who, the moment you hear the bump and the grind in the basement, immediately do want.
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Where would he go?
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I know he would.
I wouldn't.
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Anyway, we were, there was four of us, and we had two pickup trucks and one camper on one truck.
And we went up to this beautiful spot with a river, and on the other side of the river is a cliff with these just huge boulders, probably five to a thousand-pound boulders.
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unidentified
And we were armed to the teeth, let me tell you.
And I was ready for anything.
And this went on for three hours, and it was about like 4.30 in the morning, and the sun started coming up.
And we're all looking at each other going, thank God.
Especially because I had to go to the bathroom.
But anyway, and so we finally had enough nerve to go outside the Door because the crashing and everything had stopped like about an hour before the sun came up.
This happened in 1975 because it's when I got out of the service and all four of us got together because we used to go on camping trips when we were in high school.
And to this day, when we get together, I mean, this, you know, this is something we always talk about.
Someplace we used to go, you know, just for the weekend or something where nobody would be around.
And we were up there, and me and this girl went walking down the road, and my friend was sitting up by the campfire, and we come back about 10, 15 minutes later, and he's in the car hiding.
Oh, he's probably got tired and went to sleep.
He gets out of the car and goes, who is the guy that just came by?
And I also believe that projection from the body, what he called astral projection, is possible.
Projection.
That if we kind of like in some of the movies that I've seen, Somewhere in Time particularly, our mind is capable of many, many things, including possibly time travel and out-of-body travel.
I surely do believe you, and I thank you for the call, and I'll tell you something.
I've heard many stories that involve spirits of people and flowers.
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Is there some kind of sympathetic reaction?
I don't know what you'd call it, but I have heard many, many such stories.
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You're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hey.
I wanted to get in a plug for satellite, too, because if it weren't for satellite, I wouldn't be able to hear you right now.
In fact, I've got, I'm not sure just where to start because the situation started with Ouija board, as you were talking about earlier.
But the part I want to tell you about most occurred further on down, so I'll skip that.
I was my freshman year in a small southern college and ran into a guy in the student center who started talking about witchcraft and was telling us stuff and claimed to be a black witch and had me curious.
And there were three others that were with me a lot that we were talking to him about it.
And one day he wanted us to go with him that night to a black mass.
And I was brought up, brought Protestant.
I wasn't even sure what Mass was.
And my best friend, my roommate, had a test schedule the next day.
And this was back during the time when the dorms were locked at 11 o'clock and the women were not allowed to be out of the dorms and, you know, back in the dark ages.
So I chickened out at the last minute and decided I wasn't going to go because if I'd gotten, you know, caught out of the dorm, I could have been expelled and I'd worked too hard to get to college to take the risk.
And so we had planned to leave by different doors and meet outside and I just, I didn't go.
And I just felt really bad and felt like I was being punished for something I hadn't done because I wasn't able to participate.
During the night, oh, maybe 5 a.m.
I'm not sure exactly, the fire alarm went off in the building.
And it was an old building and this happened periodically.
And I wondered if maybe my friends had caused the alarm, somebody to set off the alarm for them to cover and help cover getting back in the next morning.
So I, you know, threw on my raincoat.
We always kept a raincoat and shoes handy because the alarm went off so frequently and headed out the front door.
I was watching for them as I went out and I saw them coming back in.
And they were ahead of me and I tried to push through the crowd and catch up to them.
And as they were getting, they had gotten on the elevator and just before the elevator closed, I got close enough to see them and they were looking, you know, facing forward and they just, they were white as a sheet.
They looked like some of the shock victims that you see sometimes on Red Cross disaster films walking around.
And I didn't know what was going on.
And so it was an old elevator and it moved slow.
So I went running on up the steps because I figured I could beat it up to third floor where their room was and catch them as they got off.
Yes.
Got started and I was about halfway up and I heard the alarm go off in the elevator.
It had stalled between floors.
Oh boy.
And what had happened, I found out later, is they had packed like 15 people, you know, just as tight as they could pack them in there before the doors closed and the capacity of the elevator was around 8,000 pounds or something.
I mean 800 pounds.
It was just a small elevator and they just had really overloaded it almost double plus.
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From the time I was about seven years old to 15, I used to have a recurring dream.
Premonition?
Maybe about once every couple of months.
It would always end the same, with me sitting straight up in bed in cold sweats and scared so bad it's hard to describe.
The dream always started with two guys in an old Jeep out in the desert, just cruising along.
I can see the desert and the Warner Road.
I could feel the heat.
I could hear the sounds as they're going down this old, totally deserted road.
Everything's just fine.
The Jeep begins to go up a long inclined hill.
There are telephone poles along the left side of the road, and the road seems to be almost perfectly straight, stretching out behind, climbing with the slope in front.
Up till here, everything's just fine.
Then the jeep crests the top of the hill, and I can never see anything that the two guys see.
But what I do see is just their faces.
Just sheer terror.
Not fear, but something worse.
Last time I would see that Jeep turned on its right side off the road about 20 feet, looking like it had been there for a long time.
When I was 15, I went to school with a friend down to Salton Sea in California, the desert.
Second day we were there, he said he wanted to show me some old abandoned building, so we took off in his grandfather's jeep out what was called Power Line Road.
Well, we were about an hour from the house.
The road began to climb upward, power lines on the left.
All at once, all that fear from the dreams came back like a tidal wave, and I began to freak.
I'm yelling at Steve to stop the jeep or I'm going to jump out.
I was not going over the crest of that hill, no way.
At first, he thought I was messing with him, but he realized I meant it.
He stopped, and I told him about the dreams.
He kind of laughed at them.
But we turned around and never, ever went down that road again.
I never had the dream again.
But the hair on the back of my neck is standing up now the way it did that day.
Dan, in Los Angeles.
I believe you, Dan.
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When I was about 20, I just became a father on accident, and I was sitting in the karaoke bar folk, and I wasn't drinking, but I was in the karaoke bar sulking to sing, and my girlfriend walked in, and she's about six months pregnant, and I wasn't supposed to be out that night.
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Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Well, I'm sitting there, and a few years before that, I made an oath, you know, and this was a spiritual mistake on my part.
I swore on my father's grave that I would quit smoking, and I'm sitting here in front of my computer with a cigarette right now.
Well, I'm sitting in that bar, and I got this strange feeling, right, that somebody was standing behind me.
You know, when you get that feeling like you're being watched?
Well, I'm sitting there, and I get this strange feeling I'm standing behind me, and since then I kind of think I got eyes in the back of my head, you know, and I could almost make out this figure watching me.
Especially with all the phone calls you get, and who knows what might be standing behind you that comes through that phone lines like that one witch said.
And mine's very short, and I don't know if it was a ghost or a real person, but I was up in the Santa Cruz Mountains in a Volkswagen in 1970s somewhere with my friend, and we were coming back from a place up in the Santa Cruz Mountains called the Chateau Liberté.
Well, you know, then it's all rocky at some areas on the side with all tree.
I mean, it's all green and all that and trees.
But anyway, it's a two-lane road, right?
And we're coming along, and it's down one of the downhill ways.
And we're kind of talking, you know, a couple girls and we're talking.
And there's this man lying in the road on our side of the road.
And he's lying in the road with his head on the white line.
And he has on a suit that's like kind of checkered.
It's not a, you know, a normal suit, but it's a suit.
And we just notice it very quickly.
It's a checkered suit.
And he's just lying there.
And we dodge him at the last moment.
And that's all we ever saw of him.
You know, it was just a dodge of this man, but he was lying there, and he was smiling.
He wasn't dead.
He wasn't squished or anything.
He was just lying in the road.
And we looked back, and we didn't, you know, you couldn't see in the dark, but he wasn't, you know, there wasn't a grimace on his face or any pain or anything.
Well, you lie on the white line long enough and you will be squished.
unidentified
Well, absolutely.
There was like headlights way in the distance behind us and they didn't make a swerve or anything, so we didn't know.
And one of the really quick thing is my mother grew up in the hills of Virginia, and she told me lots of stories.
They had many sisters, you know, and seven sisters.
Anyway, they were coming home one night, and their mother through the woods, if you can imagine coming home through the woods at night, but they did it all the time then.
At any rate, they came in, and they were supposed to get home before dark, and they didn't.
And there was a little creek-like thing that they had to jump over.
And it was small enough to jump over.
But when they jumped over, it was dark, and they were afraid of getting wet and getting in trouble.
And as they jumped over, a match went underneath of them out of the middle of the water.
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Roads where a lot of people have been killed tend to be roads that are haunted.
It's not really a reach to understand why.
People die there.
Spirits, energy, linger on those roads.
It's just the way it is.
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But it is true, you know.
You're listening to Coast to Coast AM, actually this night called Ghost to Ghost.
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The manifestations of whatever it is on the other side are nearly endless.
You've heard how many tonight.
How can you not wonder, as our scientists wonder about the 100 million planets that they say have inhabited intelligent life, how can you not wonder about the kind of stories you're hearing this morning?
We had several experiences of seeing what we termed as ghost ships.
And it would never show up on the radar, but we would hear it from small boats, 41-footers and stuff, of seeing different glowing three-masted type schooner type ships, I guess what you would maybe call an old pirate type ship, old, you know, ship of maybe the Continental Navy type stuff or whatever.
There must be energy connected to things and events, and that's all I can figure.
Ships that come back, ships that linger, maybe ships that went down.
Now I'm going to ask you the opposite.
What did the Coast Guard say about this?
I mean, if you guys would see it and file a report.
unidentified
Well, we were, I'll put it this way, I was sent for psychological evaluation two different times.
Uh-huh.
Had, well, let's see, the first time I was sent to NASA Bay there, and got to talk with some of the Air Force's people and some of the government's people, and they'd tell us, oh, well, you know, what you've seen was an electrical phenomenon that was caused by, you know, different types of gravity and all, you know, just a bunch of junk.
Uh-huh.
The second time I was told it was some sort of fluorescent stuff caused by the ocean.
But personally, I mean, believe me, I've jumped out of too many helicopters and hit that water and some cold stuff and some warm stuff, and that there was a cold that you would never forget.
It's like, do you think it was the spirit of the person who originally had it?
had that truck or or are machines and things energy uh in the sense that people have energy or maybe in a different but similar sense i don't know so many questions so few answers so many questions on our first time caller line you're on the air oh mr bell hi Oh,
And there's a lot of things I don't believe, and I listen to these ghost stories, and I throw them away.
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And her sister was just, you know, like 18 years old, and her sister wasn't dead.
And she said her father was telling her, your sister's going to be hurt.
She's not going to die, but it's going to be close.
And so I'm going, well, anyway, I calm her down and, you know, get her back into bed.
Anyway, the next day, we get a phone call from her mother saying that her sister was seriously injured in a car wreck.
And you go to the hospital and everything in Sierra and she's like an ICU, you know, and she's barely hanging on by a thread.
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Okay, her sister pulled through and stuff.
But it's always bugged me that like the day before the accident happened, my roommate came in and screaming and crying that she saw her deceased father over her sister's casket just right there in her bedroom.
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I don't think so.
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unidentified
Good morning.
This is Judy, and I'm in Oregon.
And I wanted to tell you that we live in a haunted house.
All right, so in what form of manifestation do you get?
unidentified
Well, when we bought it, it's actually an antique store, and we live upstairs.
And when we bought it, I moved in before my husband did to get things straightened out.
And the first day I was there, I went and was cleaning and everything, and it's on the second floor.
And I went out the back door onto a porch area and was shaking out some rugs.
And all of a sudden, the door slammed behind me.
And it's a very large store over about 8,000 square feet.
So I'm up there all by myself.
It's getting dusk, and I couldn't get back in.
Oh, boy.
And it faces the river, so I don't have too many neighbors.
Finally, I did notice somebody next door about 20 minutes later walking around, and I'm yelling and screaming to him to come help me get out.
He's back inside.
So he did come around and jumped the fence, and I had left a door open downstairs, found his way upstairs, and lo and behold, he says, how did you get out there?
And I says, well, I went out through the door.
I have a deadbolt on that door, and he had to open the deadbolt to get me in.
I guess about six months ago, my little brother came over to my house, and he was telling me that a friend of his, she was a young lady, newlywed, had two really, really young children, had just found out she had cancer, and she was going to be passing away soon.
The doctor didn't give her more in about two weeks.
In Cheyenne, where it's beginning to get cold, would that be cold as in Universal, or would that be cold as in cold spots?
We'll be right back.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
Yeah.
We continue with your calls to the Kingdom of Times and Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
Now here again is Art.
Like an orange tray, a cat sitting on a fence.
Hey there, Halloween.
Am I freaking out?
Have they?
I'm flat broke but I don't care I shot right by with my tail in the air Stay tuned Straight cash, John, I'm on I was feeling castin'over Get a shoe thrown at me from a meat old man Get my dinner from a garbage can From behind where the moon hangs by my path.
But it's a good slime story, and I thank you for bringing it to us.
We get one at least one every Halloween.
There is something about ghosts or entities or whatever you want to call them that many times involves a kind of strange slime.
So when they did Ghostbusters, they kind of did a play on that, but there's nothing to play with.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
How are you?
I'm okay.
I don't have an actual story, but I actually wanted to answer kind of a question you asked earlier about Ouija boards, like whether Network could get them.
And you might find this pretty scary.
Apparently, it's marketed by Parker Brothers.
Actually, I think a couple days ago, I just saw a commercial about a bunch of kids playing Ouija boards.
It doesn't matter whether, in my opinion, whether it's a Ouija board or some other instrument that you're inviting, you're concentrating on, and you're consciously inviting an entity to you.
You know not what you do.
It's not like Monopoly.
It's not like playing Monopoly where you're worried about getting a hotel to wipe the other guy out.
You're sitting down to consciously invite an entity to direct you.
It is not a good idea.
Whether it's a Ouija board or whether it's a Monopoly board or anything else, if the intent is to invite something in, you be damn sure you think hard about it before you invite something in you don't want to keep you company.
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Art, I just got off work and it took me a while to settle down And a couple of stiff drinks, so I can tell this to you.
I've been home for about an hour now, and this is just exactly what happened.
Let me start out.
I work at a hospital emergency room.
Consider myself a level-headed guy.
I do not believe in ghosts, that is.
Tonight I was riding my bicycle home from work.
In point of fact, I was listening to you, reminiscing that it had been about a year since I'd been riding home at night, alone.
It's been almost one year to the hour since my old riding buddy was killed while riding alone on this same street last year.
We generally had rode together.
All the time on this particular night, I'd called in ill, stayed home.
My buddy Phil was run over by a drunk driver, not found for an hour or more, and died en route to the hospital.
His bloodstains still mark the curb where his head struck, snapping his lower neck.
Tonight, while riding home, I became aware of a feeling of having something like the sound of a car tire behind me, and yet there were no cars on the street.
I kept hearing the sound, kept looking around, sound got so loud, I could hear through the radio.
In other words, I was listening to the radio.
I finally took off the headphones, stopped, and looked down the street.
I saw Phil standing on his back next to me.
As fast as light, I got on my bike and sped home.
Phil stayed with me until I reached the crossroads where he died.
I swear, I saw him, big as life.
I can't tell you if I was having a 60s flashback or not.
Just graduated from high school, and this girl and I were playing with the Ouija board one night, and didn't think much of it, and I went home, and woke up the next morning, and I had a big antique Chinese mirror that sat on my dresser.
It was probably three foot by four foot.
Probably weighed about 60 or 70 pounds.
When I woke up, this mirror was sitting right at the foot of my bed on the floor, face down.
I didn't think much of it except that I had a bunch of model cars that I had collected and built and some models of clones and stuff sitting on top of my dresser.
And nothing had been disturbed, which meant that for this mirror to get where it was, it would have had to be lifted up off of the dresser, over everything that was on the dresser, moved about two feet from the dresser, turned at a 90-degree angle, and laid face down on the floor.
Well, and that next night, we played with the Ouija board again.
Went home, went to bed.
Early in the morning, about two or three o'clock in the morning, I hear this big, loud crash.
I wake up, the mirror's in the same position on the floor, in the same exact spot, with the mirror broke into a hundred or so little pieces, and everything on the dresser was laying all over the floor.
Need to say that was the last time I ever touched a Ouija board.
Again, you invite things in when you do that, and you don't know what you're inviting in.
It's like opening a door to a world where things exist, good and bad.
Do you invite strangers into your home?
Do you call on the street when somebody passes and invite them into your home, not knowing them?
No.
Then why would you want to do it with a Ouija board?
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All right, back to the lines we go.
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And me and my younger son will go walking and looking for the dates on each one of these tombs.
As we're going through one day, we notice that a couple of them have been broken into.
So we start looking into them and we're seeing that the bodies have been disturbed, the caskets are open or broken or chipped out in corners.
As we go to one of the oldest ones, which is about a block down from my grandmother, it was an eight-year-old girl who died during the time that there was a bad scarlet fever going around in New Orleans where thousands of people had died.
And I was asleep in bed, and I woke up, and I was sleeping on my left side, and all of a sudden I woke up, and I turned over to my right side, and I was facing the door of the bedroom, and being cold, I had the habit of throwing the covers over my head.
Well, I did that this time, and all of a sudden, about maybe two, three minutes passed, and I started getting scared, very, very frightened.
And I tried to come out from under the covers, and I couldn't pull them off.
And I mean, I clawed at them and just pulled, and I couldn't.
Since then, I've never slept with the covers on my head ever since then.
All of a sudden, there was a scream in my ear, just a shrill scream that my head just, you know how you feel when you're, you've been screamed in your ear when you were small before, you know, kids.