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June 18, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - John Rhodes - Human Reptilian Connection

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
		Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
		This is Dreamland, Sunday evening, and indeed this is Dreamland.
		Good evening, everybody.
		I am Mart Bell, and we've got, I think, a very interesting show this evening.
		As usual, Linda Howe, she tells me she's got quite a report for you this evening.
		Linda Howe, generally regarded across the world as the preeminent expert, I guess, in crop circles, animal mutilations, and their connection to UFOs.
		So we'll do that, and then we'll follow it with John Rhodes.
		John Rhodes has been investigating the human-reptilian connection.
		And aside from knowing some individuals that I might put in that class, or at least descended from that class, I don't know very much about the subject.
		He will also talk to us about underground bases a little bit.
		Now, that would certainly make sense if you're talking about the reptilian connection, I guess.
		At any rate, we will explore all of that this evening.
		So I'm looking very much forward to it.
		And in just one moment, Linda Howe.
		And he got a letter from John Rhodes, and I'll read to you in part what he said.
		Art, in recent years, I have been researching and lecturing about UFOs, underground bases, and occulted archaeology.
		I've also placed the emphasis in my research on the connection between the ancient and intelligent bipedal race of serpent beings called reptilians and human beings.
		These investigations have yielded numerous religious, cultural, and genetic links that provide extremely compelling evidence to the fact that we are genetic descendants of a highly technologically advanced race of alien reptilian beings living on our planet.
		Now, that ought to be teas enough for you, and I'll add a little something to that.
		I've received information from a number of guests that we are going to book in the future that also maintain that if not reptilian, certainly there has been a very advanced, and there is evidence of, a very advanced civilization that has lived here on Earth previously.
		And that's always interesting since we're here now, and I assume we'd prefer not being relics of some future civilization's examination.
		So we'll get all into that in a moment.
unidentified		From the Kingdom of Nine, you're here in Dreamland with Ark Bell.
unidentified		It is the CBC Radio Network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, in one moment, the human-reptilian connection.
		And I think most of us would like to hope there isn't one.
		And now, coming from not very far away, actually, Henderson, Nevada, here is John Rhodes.
		John, welcome to the program.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Dart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good to have you.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		It's good to have you, too.
		And by the way, happy birthday.
		I got wind that it was your birthday on Saturday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was, indeed.
		Oh, it's a wonderful birthday, John.
		Great.
		Wonderful.
		John, I don't know where to start.
		Tell us a little, if you would, about yourself, I guess, first.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is John Rhodes?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		John Rhodes is a gentleman of about 34 years of age.
		When I was younger, I lived most of my life overseas.
		My parents were one was a swimmer, my mother, and my father was a pilot that used to work for Air America, which was an old AI operative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And I had the opportunity as a child to live a lot of different places overseas, including Vietnam when I was six, seven, and eight, and over in the Middle East in Bay of Lebanon.
		And then I came back to the United States here and, of course, completed my education.
		And it wasn't until about five or six years ago I started getting interested in what was going on as far as the UFO field and unexplained phenomena because I felt that there was just something that wasn't right as far as the reality in which we were living.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you heard me say, I'm sure, a little while ago, I've had a lot of guest information lately from people who have been studying for some time the possibility that a civilization existed here on Earth long before we ever did, and that though there are artifacts, they are few, and most of the evidence of their existence has been erased.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that fit in with what you believe?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		That fits in.
		They've either purposely been erased, in my opinion, or else they've been erased due to natural geological changes, including being sunken into the earth underground.
		And I think most recently we started as human beings being aware of the actuality of detailed agents, not only by things above the turbid by the Great Pyramid and the uncomplained pyramids of Mexico and Central America and South America, all the beautiful data of architecture left behind.
		Really, we sit here in awe with even the data engineering skill.
		But when we started, I think, getting into looking underground at our geological exploration for oil and all the other views of the data for storage, for oil fields, and gasoline and food, et cetera, that we started finding a lot of things underground that left even more of a mystery at the Book ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I've got to stop you for a second, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really interesting that you should be saying that because there is a project ongoing now in Alaska called HAARP.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you've heard of it.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's supposedly got a dual purpose, and one is to heat up the ionosphere to see what will happen.
		I'm not sure about that one.
		And the other purpose, supposedly, is to try and map underground tunnels and caves.
		And I thought, hmm, underground tunnels and caves.
		Now, why are we wanting to look underground?
		What do we think is underground that we don't know about?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, there seems to be more underground that's worth looking at than above our heads in space with the NASA program.
		I've read about HARP, and I've also looked into the Shuttle Bay experiments in which they were using ground-probing radar, they said, to help study the Rwandan ape because of the war in Rwanda.
		And that just kind of hit me as kind of funny.
		And I think that because of today's technology with the ability to burrow underground with thermal nuclear boring machines that have been patented in U.S. patent books by Los Alamos Laboratories, I know before you had a really great researcher on the air,
		Richard Sauter, and he's done a lot of studies on this and brought a lot of information forward to the public, declaring that the United States and other countries by now have very easily been able to penetrate the Earth with these thermonuclear boring machines that literally vitrify the rock.
		And what's left over is about 25% of mass.
		And since it's molten lava, they compress it towards the tunnel walls, and it permeates through the tunnel walls, creating a self-lined tunnel.
		This is great when you look back at a lot of the old stories of people in caves and caverns, even when you're talking about books like Ettadorpha and other stories like The Smokey God, in which people talk about the hollow earth.
		These stories were coming out long before we were even aware of the technology about glass-lined tunnels, and that's exactly what the technology is available today, is to leave glass-lined tunnels behind.
		And these people were reporting them way back in the last century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But these are tunnels, John, that we would have created, so we would therefore, for the most part, know they are there, certainly at high government levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The implication of HARP is that we're looking for stuff that we don't know is there.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, if it's very simple in terms, I mean in engineering term, due to this technology to be able to borrow underground, then that leaves us a whole new issue.
		Not only would NORAD have to worry about missiles coming from overhead from the north and also be able to look out for any kind of missile attack from above, now we've got a whole new issue about how do we prevent other countries or other species from borrowing under the ground into our continent, into the North American country, and coming near sensitive facilities or near sensitive government buildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's an awful thought.
		So, I mean...
		I mean, it would have national security implications, and now I suddenly understand even the alien question or the reptilian question aside, there would be national security reasons.
		Suddenly, it dawned on me.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		All the billions of dollars they had spent so far, now they've just figured out that they've only done 50% of their job.
		So there had to be this large launch into being able to see who and what is underground at what depth and who they are.
		If, as I believe, there are other alien species coexisting here on this planet with us, they want to make sure not that these species are telling them where they are, but they want to be able to make sure of being able to verify themselves exactly who is where.
		And also when you start looking at the fact that in 1988, they created a National Cave Resources Act, which prevents people from going into a cave with a $10,000 fine and one year imprisonment for each entry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's supposedly to protect the natural resource of the caves, isn't that correct?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		There are some caves, absolutely, that have been defaced.
		But the majority of caves across the United States, most people don't want to go near a cave, you know, because there's a certain amount of superstition and a little bit of spookiness going into a dark, hollowed-out piece of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I'm one of them.
		I wouldn't do it.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I had to overcome that fear due to my own research and looking around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you actually have made some trips?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've been into cave systems and also into mines.
		And I can tell you one thing, that there is certainly I had to do it because I'm afraid of climbing.
		I'm afraid of going into a cave.
		Yet I had to confront my fears in order to fulfill my research that I'm doing.
		And believe me, in some instances, I've been shaking.
		I mean, I used to watch people climb a mountain.
		I think these guys are crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still think that.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		You see, then I'm faced with the position of having to go out and learn how to do it myself.
		But, yeah, there's been instances where I've gone into certain caves because I've heard that they are, one instance in particular, it was a reptilian outpost very near Las Vegas.
		As a matter of fact, Las Vegas has almost overrun it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And yeah.
		And when I went in there, a friend of mine told me that this cave had a steel door down a shaft.
		It was really an old mine.
		It had a steel door down a shaft after you went down a vertical pit.
		So I went in with my friend.
		In order to get in there, you had to climb, crawl horizontally on your belly for about 20 feet before you could even stand up because the cave ceiling was right at your back.
		And then I went in there.
		I looked for this door.
		It wasn't there.
		And then I was feeling kind of odd.
		I'd scraped my knuckles and my fingernails into the wall because it looked kind of wet.
		And I could feel mud go underneath my fingernails.
		I saw like a scrape of mud.
		But when I retrieved backwards, I thought, well, I have to take a picture because this door isn't here.
		And I want to be able to show my friend who Told me about this, and when I took the picture, I saw a streak of light come up.
		And I looked down at my hands after I turned my flashlight back on.
		I looked down at my hands, and there was no mud underneath my fingernails, nor was there any mud on my hands.
		And when I got the actual photograph developed, there was a streak of light going from the bottom left to the top right with a huge wall of light underneath it diffused off to the right-hand side.
		I have a feeling, and I'm not any technical expert in this area, and it's just my opinion, but I have a feeling that there was holographs at work there.
		And with the flash of the camera, it was trying to adjust for that instantaneous change of light level, and it couldn't quite do it.
		And this is one of the recent photographs I have of anomalous activities underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I would give my eye teeth to get hold of one of those photographs, John.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll send you a copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you will?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You know, I'll tell you, John, I'm right in the middle of writing a book, and I'd be glad to give you credit.
		So if you want to include permission to publish it, I'll stick it in there.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there will be a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wonderful.
		I mean, I really love being able to get these photographs out.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a bulletin board system, by the way, where we do that.
		We take special photographs like the one you're talking about and make them available.
		So I'll do that as well.
		Boy, that's fascinating.
		I don't know if I could have overcome my fear, and I sure don't know that I could crawl through a space just barely big enough for me to crawl through.
		I wouldn't like that at all.
		Earth above, earth below, earth to each side.
		There's something about that that would be very claustrophobic.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		It is a little bit of something to overcome.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		But one thing is that I've realized through doing all the research that I have is that the old phrase from, I think it's out of the Bible that says, as above, so below, it really does encounter pretty much the question of the UFO phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mario, what is it that you believe is down there, John?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I started thinking about the one question that really started narrowing me into my field of research, which was primarily getting into the reptilian area, which is I started questioning as to why is it that the majority of contactees who meet the Nords and who meet these other wonderful beings from CRAP are told that they have some sort of a non-interference clause where they're not allowed to interfere with us.
		Yet at the same time through that contact, there was a form of interference.
		But not on the scale of which the grays, what you see now is the grays, the four foot, four and a half foot tall, you know, standard gray, which is the alien with the large black eyes and the thin extremities and the large head.
		Why is it that they, along with less frequent but still reports of contacts with them and the reptilian beings who have been reportedly been the ones giving them orders or commanding them?
		Why is it that these two particular species have repeatedly been talked about in the field?
		What gives them the right where others do not have the right to interfere with us, even when they're talking about doing the experiments with people on craft as they do?
		And that started making me look more into our own historical perspective as to what is there left, what's really left of our own history that hasn't already been hidden or just naturally lost that could explain to us the existence of these beings.
		Number one is when you look at the graves, the oldest reference I can find to anything that's like a gray is that the Hopi Indians refer to these greys as ant people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ant people.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And from our own visual perspective now, we can see why they would maybe refer to them as ant people.
		Say, for example, what if this being came from underground or you had knowledge that they lived underground?
		They had large eyes, as do ants, fem extremities, as do ants, large craniums, as do ant.
		And of course, now we can understand that they might have just said, well, this is an ant person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it would be their easy reference, yes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right about the features.
		When you consider an ant, those similarities are quite striking.
		John, hold on just a second.
		We'll be right back to you.
		My guest is John Rhodes.
		And now I'm beginning to make a bit of the connection myself.
		How about you?
		I couldn't quite understand the human-reptilian connection, but I'm beginning to get there, I think, more in a moment.
		John, question for you.
		An obvious question somebody would ask would be, well, if they're reptilian and they are from in essence below Earth, then what are the UFOs?
		In other words, what's the connection?
		Are they actually some previous race of humans, or are they from somewhere else occupying our inner ground?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good question.
		Let me explain this.
		First of all, I started noticing that I believe that they are a species that are off the original trunk or the tree of life, the first genetic creation that took part on this planet.
		And this may or may not be so, but this is, from what I've been able to gather, this is my perspective.
		And we are further genetic chains or genetic branches off that original trunk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In a process, John, of evolution or creation or both?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I think it's both.
		I think originally it was divine creation.
		And then shortly after that, there was intervention of sorts.
		And when I started, what really clued me into on this is starting to look at the antiquity of the serpent and serpent worship around the world.
		There is no animal on earth that has been revered so highly and taken both ends of the spectrum, whether it's negative or positive, into the influence of man and his religion than that of the serpent or the snake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		You can also include in that category dragons, lizards, and any of the reptilian species, but primarily the serpent, the snake, and or the dragon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, are there not some religions, it strikes me back in the Appalachian Mountains, particularly Christian Religions, serious thumper religions, where they use a snake as a demonstration of how they can overcome, and I hesitate to use the word evil, I don't know if evil is right, but overcome something or another, and they use them in religion.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they dance with the snakes and they tempt them, almost to bite them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, as though you cannot harm me.
unidentified		Right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And through their own faith in God, they think that once they are bitten, that they'll survive.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And in fact, many people, when they're bitten, do in fact swell up, you know, because of the venom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		But yes, the serpent actually exemplifies both the positive and negative religious implications.
		We look at, first of all, the Japanese and the Chinese revere the serpent or the snake and the dragon as being something very benevolent.
		While at the same time, we're told to our own religions that the being who stood in the Garden of Eden, and remember it was the only reference in the Holy Bible that we could even talk to animals, was that of a reptilian.
		And this reptilian was smart enough to start teaching us.
		And when you look at the connections between the Sumerian text talking about Enlil, or E, having being a divine being from an extraterrestrial being who was involved with the genetic manipulation of man, and he lived in a, supposedly he lived in a place called Snake Marsh.
		And he was the one that that had taken a branch of the mammalian man and mixed it with some of the reptilian being.
		And the place where he lived, of course, was Snake Marsh, like I said, but you could think of a place where snakes live as a den.
		And then we come back to looking at the biblical explanation in Genesis where they talk about the reptilian being in a place called E-Den and giving man knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		E-den.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right, E-Den.
		And these types of little pieces of information are all over the place.
		And it's just a matter of being able to make the connections.
		I believe that one reason that it's really interesting to note that amongst many of the religious cultures of the world, it's a common rule or law, religious law, that they are not allowed to draw or make anything of that which is in heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John, we've got to pause here at the top of the hour.
		We'll be back.
		relax for a few moments.
		E. Dan, that's...
		A little emphasis, but big meaning.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		From the Kingdom of Nai, we continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
		Here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now again, here I am, my guest, John Rhodes, the human-reptilian connection, and it sounds kind of strange at first, but as you listen, it begins to sound a little less strange.
		This, of course, is a program where we examine different sorts of things, things you don't hear about elsewhere.
		In a moment, I've got a couple of one very good fax and a question for John.
		Now, you too could be sending me a fax if you would like.
		As a matter of fact, if you have a question for John Rhodes, my fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
		702-727-8499, 24 hours a day.
		Now, if you don't have a fax machine, we can sell you one of those.
		There was a report on this last hour's news of an earthquake in the Sierra Nevadas, between Nevada and California, of about 4.5.
		And before we continue with what we were doing, John, I want to ask you, this is just the latest in what has seemed like a worldwide swarm of earthquakes.
		I mean, it seems, John, they've been getting more frequent.
		Earthquakes are underground affairs.
		I just thought I would ask whether you have any comment.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I do have a comment.
		And that is that going back to the Hokie Indians, they believe that we are coming across or coming to the end of one of the great cycles at which Earth naturally starts to go through evolutionary changes of its own.
		And these changes are not slow in process.
		They're extremely rapid.
		I pulled information off the Colorado Earthquake Center and did some graphs on it.
		And it shows that the lower magnitude earthquakes between 1982 and 1993, some of them, like I think it's from 2 to 3, 2 to 2.9, had increased over 8,000% frequency.
		So when you start looking at something laid out in a graphics form as telling you how often these earthquakes are happening and how much more they're happening every year, it tends to make one sit back and worry a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's what I've been doing.
		And I've been doing, John, talk radio a long time now.
		And it is to the point now where I'm reporting one or two earthquakes a day most times.
		So you say there's an 8,000 percent?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		In some cases it is.
		The larger magnitude earthquakes have not increased in frequency.
		There's beginning to, but overall the lower magnitude earthquakes have over a 10-year period or 12-year period.
		This shows that it's building up for a massive energy release because it's got to snap somewhere along the line.
		When we look at the fact that FEMA, as an organization, 10 out of $11, according to some of the reports and newspapers that were reported, said that FEMA spent $11 out of $12 preparing the United States for Armageddon.
		I think that, yes, there's a definite worry about nuclear weapons getting into third world countries' hands and terrorists' hands, but there's also a very logical precaution that our government would have to take in order to ensure its own survival.
		And that's one of the reasons that, like, since the 1950s, they've been heavily, heavily involved with building very, very deep underground bunkers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, here we are underground once again.
		It seems to me if there were an underground civilization of either creatures related or not related to us, if they had that kind of mobility underground, they might have the ability to manipulate in some way the tectonic pressures and releases and so forth and so on.
		Is that too speculative?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I believe that that could be utilizing some sort of Reichian or Tesla technology or even other technology that we couldn't even put a name to.
		But, yeah, from my own perspective, I think the Earth is somewhat of a living organism.
		And just as a human being goes in to get needles put into their head through acupuncture to relieve certain stresses and strains, I think that it's very possible to do that to the Earth.
		However, it's only a temporary remedy.
		The overall problem has to be cured, otherwise the remedy itself won't last.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's a facts.
		Dear Art, greetings from a fellow Gemini.
		Your guest is interesting about the reptilian-human connection.
		Whenever you have a guest about alien species or ancient history, I frequently recall the five-part two-hour movie named V. The movie was on TV back when I had a TV.
		It's about an aliens coming to Earth to help us with many of our problems.
		But as the story progressed, one investigative reporter had a suspicion that all was not as rosy as they put out for one aspect, even though they looked human.
		The investigative reporter found out that beneath the disguise, they were reptilian who ate mammals, including humans.
		Have you and or your guests seen the movie?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have seen the series and the film.
		I've also seen very many other reptilian forms recently come into the media in order to make us either afraid or love them.
		In the case such as E.T., we were made to feel very good and secure about the alien that is what we could refer to as like a gray.
		Very small and not intimidating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even cute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, they managed to get E.T. cute.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And in one scene, as a matter of fact, in that movie, it was even cuddled up with all the bears.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		You know, it loves children, dogs, that kind of thing.
		But somehow I get the feeling that a lot of...
		Did you hear that sound?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would not come from something that I would describe as cute.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I kind of agree with that, but then at the same time is that, you know, we all have our perspective.
		I mean, to perhaps another being, that was celestial music.
		And to us, it's not.
		So when you look at the programs like Be and Such, take for example, see, I believe that we have been seeing a lot of the grays.
		The grays, from what I've been able to learn through other researchers, such as what I consider the great researchers like Bill Hamilton and Bruce Walton and Tom Adams and Cherry Hinkle and Towell out in California, from what we've been able to gather as a group is the fact that these four and a half foot tall grays are an intermixture between genetically hybrid beings.
		There used to be intermediaries between the reptilians and the humans because if the reptilians came out full form as they could and as they will in the future, it would be much too frightening for us now.
		So they use something a little less intimidating, which are these grays.
		With the media, when you looked at programs recently like Stargate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I just saw Stargate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gosh, what a movie.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, when you start looking at a program like Stargate and realize that here's this being that made its presence known on a planet and had its association with ancient history, like the pyramid, and then said, I've come down here and I was part of that which created you, and you should pay homage to me, the last image we saw when this being was obliterated was that of a reptilian, a standing reptilian.
		And it comes very fast, but you have to look at it.
		And that made us, on a very almost subliminal level, think of a reptile as something to be afraid of.
		We've heard abductions where humans have been abducted through UFO experience in which they have been forcibly raped by reptilians.
		Large, seven-foot-tall beings that are bipedal, bifocal, and have the regular scales and eyes that look like flame.
		And that statement itself can be taken back to a lot of ancient writings that are forcibly raped.
		And I started thinking, wait, I don't understand this.
		If the reptilians are like that, but yet they're trying to make the greys look good, if they're going to all come out someday, how could that be when we've had just the reports of the greys being presented to us as something that's really nice?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think the greys are?
		Are they biological entities?
		I've heard them described as that and possibly machines.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that they're both.
		I believe that the original gene or the genetic strain by which the greys came originated from, they are just like we are, natural beings, and some of them are good and some of them are bad.
		But then again, I believe that maybe due to the scarcity of them, or not having too many here, that certain parts of their genetic strains were taken and chained up and linked together with human chains and or other chains and became what you consider biological robotoids who perhaps don't have a soul.
		But then again, we look at some animals and think, I can't have a soul.
		But I think the main question here is that we've been so conditioned as a human species to be able to take what's visually presented to us and make very quick judgments.
		And as there are good humans and bad humans, so must there be reptilians who are of certain physical characteristics, say like a reptilian, right, that is good as well as bad.
		There have got to be graves that are good as well as bad.
		That is one of the laws of nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I also find quite a bit of religious underpinning as you discuss your philosophy of who you believe these beings are.
		Is that about right?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't avoid it.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I believe that if they've been here for longer than we have, then obviously in some ways they have had the opportunity to manipulate our religious perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the argument then is, are they the creators or is there a creator beyond?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the impression I get from you is you believe there is a creator beyond.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I definitely believe that.
		Just because the laboratory rat might turn to us and look over the edge of the cage and say, are you it?
		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And anyway, to get around to the connection that we have between these beings, I started looking into a book called The Dragons of Eden, written by a very intelligent man called Carl Sagan.
		And in Carl Sagan's book, he theorizes on the evolution of human intelligence.
		And in that book, he refers to a gentleman by the name of Paul McLean, who's a neuroanatomist.
		And Paul McLean has said, through his own research and investigations, that the most ancient part of the human brain is called the R complex.
		And the R stands for reptilian because we share this same configuration of matter with reptiles.
		And it is the most ancient part of the human brain that rests above the spinal cord.
		The neocortex and the limbic system are built around it.
		In other words, they're adaptations to this very ancient part of the brain.
		Well, if you believe in the regular creation theory, or the evolutionary theory, which we came from a pond as fish and wallowed up on the surface and we evolved from there, that would make sense because we would see the connections with ourselves and reptiles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thankfully, there appears no further connection, for I feel no draw to go out by my porchlight where there's lots of bugs, you know, and thrust my tongue out and grab a few of them.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		A fork tongue, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On that note, we'll pause for just a moment.
		A fork, I hope not.
		For I'm about to do a couple of commercials.
		Here is a deal you cannot refuse.
		Forked, son.
		All right.
		In just a moment, we're going to get back to John Rhodes and talk a little more about all of this.
		As a matter of fact, let's do that now.
		John, are you there?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Okay.
		What I was going to say is that on top of the fact that the neuroanatomists say that the most ancient part of the human brain, the most central part, an archaic part, is called the R complex because it stands for reptilians and we share it with reptiles.
		There's also other striking connections that have been recently brought to my attention.
		And one of them was that in Omni magazine, September 1994, they had written an article in, excuse me, May 1994 called Lizard's Love.
		And what they discovered is that male iguanas were getting extremely, extremely, let's put it this way, they were starting to love their owners, the female owners anyway, the women who owned iguanas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And it happened during the menstrual cycle.
		And they discovered that it's because the female humans secrete a pheromone that is absolutely chemically identical to that of a female iguana.
		Chemically, it's an absolute identical match to a female iguana.
		And that's why the male iguanas were getting so amorous.
		And on top of that, you have many other connections just as you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would say that is sort of a hormonal connection.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And then when you start looking about, well, this most ancient part of the brain and all these connections, what does it mean?
		Well, when the human embryo is in the female womb, it undergoes, probably during the first seven weeks, certain changes in its formation.
		As a matter of fact, what happens is genetic history starts replaying itself through the embryonic growth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, all right, I'm sorry to stop you again, but what about the gigantic difference between our systems?
		Mammals, warm-blooded, reptilians, cold-blooded?
		I mean, that really is a big, seemingly gigantic evolutionary difference.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but at the same time, even paleontologists today, some paleontologists are starting to think twice as to whether all the dinosaurs back in the dinosaur age of the dinosaurs were in fact cold-blooded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		I've heard that.
		You're absolutely right.
		That's been some of the later news.
		I'm sorry I didn't recall that.
		Thank you.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And according to Gail Russell, who's an anthropological scientist with the Canadian National Museum of Natural Science in Canada, he said that a dinosaur by the name of Stenonicosaurus equalis, if it had not undergone such a catastrophic change as apparently took place and killed out the dinosaur age,
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		that because of its brain-to-body mass ratio, which was extremely close to those of primitive mammals, and the fact that it was bipedal, that if it had been allowed to evolve as the dominant species that it was heading towards being, that nowadays it would have resembled that of a walking, talking, what we consider through looking at the abduction report, reptilian being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, John, hold it right there.
		We've got a break at the bottom of the iron something.
		I've got to get done very quickly.
		So let me do that.
		We'll take our break and come right back.
		My guest is John Rhodes, the human-reptilian connection, and we will get deeper into this subject in just a moment.
		From the high desert, this is Dreamland.
unidentified		This is Dreamland.
unidentified		From the Kingdom of Nye, you're here in Dreamland with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is author, lecturer, John Rhodes.
		He talks of the human-reptilian connection and things underground.
		We will get to phone calls here in a couple of moments.
		I've got a couple of very good questions.
		One of them about the hum.
		Now, back to John Rhodes.
		John, I know I'm skipping around a lot, but when I have somebody who's an expert on underground, I've got a lot of questions, and I know that you've heard about this.
		I have a good friend, John, who built a porch here in Perump, Nevada, the other side of the valley.
		He sank big beams into the ground in order to do this.
		After he built it, he had such a bad hum, John, that he could not sleep at night in his house.
		That's how bad it was.
		He ended up having to reconstruct, redo the whole thing in a different way.
		Something was being picked up and transmitted into his home from underground.
		What have you heard about this?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that the underground hum that's been heard, like in Taos, is not limited to just the Taos area, but has actually been heard in different countries around the world as well.
		And it's been happening for longer than most people realize.
		My own idea of what it may be, we've heard the theories about using ELF and loop antennas to be able to communicate through the water and over the atmosphere with submarines around the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I know that the geological, the Colorado Bureau of Mines patented a device that actually uses ELF to communicate through the rock.
		In other words, it doesn't need any cables or anything.
		It just uses the rock to carry the signal.
		And the lower the frequency, the greater the coverage area.
		And when you start talking about, see, all I perceive now as my reality is moving atoms and frequency.
		And all we really have to live by this time around in our lives is this mass or different combinations of frequencies combined together to create different objects and different light.
		And when you start talking about the talism, you're talking about a frequency that's being put through the Earth.
		But yet at the same time, there's a lot of natural crystal formations within the Earth that could take certain branches of this frequency and, I guess you could say, change it or mutate it so we may have some sort of a sympathetic resonance with it.
		Around the meninges of the brain, which is the sheath covering the blood-brain barrier, we have a high quantity of what they call magnetite crystal.
		And what this is, is that Dr. Kirschfink of Caltech had started looking into this thinking that there's higher concentrations of magnetite crystal.
		Now, magnetite, mind you, is a naturally forming magnet ore.
		It's like lodestone in the earth.
		We don't eat it, but our body actually manufactures it.
		So when we have magnetite crystals surrounding our brain, that means that we as humans have everything necessary to make a transmitter or receiver, which is crystals, magnets, and energy and minerals.
		So if you're getting these different frequency fluctuations, I don't doubt whatsoever that we are somehow sympathetically resonating with those frequencies.
		As to what they could be, well, like we said before, perhaps they are some sort of a subsurface radar around these sensitive facilities looking for anything that may be coming near them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fascinating.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Because a lot of these reports have actually come in from areas where previously people have said that there's some sort of anomalous activity happening with clandestine black book operations.
		So that's one possibility.
		The other is, of course, you know, the communications.
		And the other one is, of course, and I've thought about it, and I don't know how true it could be, that the people who are hearing them have implants.
		And somehow these implants are being triggered.
		So these people are being able to hear a sound.
		Because they're not quite hearing it, but they're sensing it all over.
		Now, I've heard sounds like that that have continued for a period of two or three weeks, like a clicking, but then that clicking has stopped.
		I've also found out that other people associated with the group have heard the same sound at the same time, and it all stopped at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		This is from Sean in Yucca Valley.
		Then I'm going to give out the numbers, and we're going to answer some phones.
		Art, I have often heard it claim there is only a 2% difference between humans and chimpanzees' genetic material.
		This seems to argue against any human-reptilian melding.
		Would you please ask John to comment on the point?
		In other words, as we look at genetic connection, I think the facts are as correct.
		There's a very close relationship to chimpanzees.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But genetically, not so close to reptilians.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said, the connection is definitely there to reptilians.
		I'm not saying the primary connection or the most evidentiary one is or the most dominant connection is.
		I do believe, like the caller had called in or Faxed in, that yes, there is a high degree of connection with regular mammals like the primitive apes.
		However, it appears to be that the most dormant form of a connection that we have coming from the archaic part of the brain is that of a reptilian.
		So which came first, the chicken or the egg, which came first, the monkey or the reptile?
		So when you're talking about, I guess you could say Paul McLean says that the he's been able to excise, like laboratory rats, parts of their brain, or laboratory animals parts of their R complex.
		And what he's realized is that that R complex dominates our social, our behavior patterns as far as hierarchy, territoriality, ritualism, and aggressive behavior.
		And this is how he was able to find that out.
		So when we're talking about like who are we, it makes more sense to me that there's some sort of an important connection there with the reptilians because I haven't heard too many stories of abductions by monkeys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Where I have heard the abductions by reptilians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		John, let me quickly give out the numbers and we'll take some calls.
		Fascinating.
		Topic.
		Gee.
		First time caller line, area code 702-727-1222.
		The wildcard line, several of those available.
		Area code 702-727-1295.
		Toll-free west of the Rockies, it's 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
		Just one other quick thing, John, then we'll pick up some calls.
		The natural magnetic material that you say surrounds our brain.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't that...
		And when I say that, I mean even radio, television, and microwave transmission.
		Would this be do you see a connection?
		In other words, if we are receptors, then it seems to me that sort of energy might be received and or might be affecting us.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, there's so many forms of energy that we're aware of, but I believe that there are so many forms of more subtle energies that we're not aware of, and I think we catch the full spectrum.
		Yeah, I think it's very unhealthy to live around power lines.
		As a matter of fact, they say that when people go into caves or cave systems or underground, there's a natural insulation there provided for them, so they're no longer walking on the surface as just regular human antennas.
		That would be true.
		You just have to stick up a good antenna, and you can figure out that, my God, there's thousands, thousands of frequencies shooting straight through us all the time.
		Thousands.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, they're also doing a lot of work on intense Magnetic fields, and I hate to admit this, I'm a ham operator.
		Right.
		And I've been doing so since I've been about 12 years old.
		So I've been getting exposed to close-in, large electromagnetic fields, RF, all my life.
		And frankly, and I'm sorry to have to report it, but they've done a lot of reports indicating that amateur radio operators and people exposed to a lot of RF do tend to have a higher cancer rate.
		So there may be something to all this.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		But then again, just to comfort you, I know that the mind is so much more powerful than we've ever been allowed to previously conceive that it is or believed that it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks for the comfort, John.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Oklahoma City.
		Okay.
		I've been listening to your show, and I just caught in on the latter part of your show this evening.
		But one of the things I had in question when we were talking about Rhodeslion is I have a large amount of paperwork and work that's been gathered for the past 10 years from a friend of mine who believes she's an alien or a part alien.
		And she's given me her work, and it has hundreds of drawings and cryptic writing.
		And I'd like to know whom I can get in touch with to show this work to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, cryptic writings, aliens, does it seem to relate to some sort of reptilian connection?
unidentified		To some degree, in some parts of her notes, it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
unidentified		I've went and bought a particular book on cryptic writings from past centuries, trying to decipher some of the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		Listen on the air.
		John, it's a good opportunity.
		If somebody like that or anybody else wants to get hold of you, or maybe have you written a book, John?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, the books and the works.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I've just made a recent, we'll get into a little bit more if you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then let me try this avenue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they want to get hold of you, get you information.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, this is what you do.
		First of all, if it's something that you're really, really frightened of somebody interfering or intercepting, the way to do this is to take it and fully register it and heavily insure it.
		This way, if it's ever missing in the mail accidentally, then you stand to make a little bit of money from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, I've had so many things missing through the mail.
		This is the only way I really truly get things where I want them to go.
		I figure if they're going to end up missing, I might as well make a little living at it.
		Now, I'm going to give you an address, and the address is John Rhodes, R-H-O-D-E-S.
unidentified		Right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And that's post office box 50381.
		Henderson, that's H-E-N-D-E-R-S-O-N, Nevada 89016-0381.
		Now, I also have a voicemail system set up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do it again, though.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		It's John Rhodes, Post Office Box 50381.
		Henderson, Nevada, 89016-0381.
		And I have a voicemail also, which in case, if you don't mind, in case anybody needs to or would like to receive a package of information regarding this research and other related research, if they do a money order or check for $10 and send it to me, I'll get them off a comprehensive package.
		And if you'd like, go ahead and send it that address.
		My voicemail, in case you want to notify me of anything or need some further information, like the address again, is area code 702-391-3335.
		And 702-391-3335.
		And one other thing I have available in case people are interested is I've done some psychoacoustic and psycho work with psycho work.
		I've done some work with sound.
		And I've been able to create a subliminal self-hypnosis tape for abductees.
		And the reason I did this is because so many people are feeling like they've somehow been touched, and they don't have the money to go spend $90 an hour to go to a psychiatrist to get hypnosis.
		So I've used some very ancient metaphysical tones that correspond with the chakra, and I've gotten together with a very famous hypnotist out here in Las Vegas by the name of Helen Balcombe.
		And we designed this self-hypnosis tape that teaches people how to get themselves into self-hypnotic state as well as empower them through their experiences instead of allowing them to sit in the victimization role and speak and recall some of these events if they so choose.
		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say if it's not $90 an hour, how much is it?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		It's $10, and once you buy it, I just welcome you until I otherwise tell you to, to go ahead and copy it, and please hand it out to your friends.
		Because part of my job here, not only am I a spokesman for a group of people who have spent their lives working on subjects such as this, but my job here right now is to help people and empower people.
		And that's one of the reasons I also sometimes, when I go out and give lectures, I'll spend an extra day, take a handful of people, and teach them to investigate for themselves.
		Because we all need to put at least a little bit of work into it.
		And the more people who put work into it and forward the information to someone like myself, which is like a pivot point, then the more ability we have to be able to get a clearer perception on what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a shot in the dark, John.
		It's a fact.
		Ask John if he's ever heard or seen a human who has small holes on the side of the head near the top of the ear and in slightly toward the temple.
		I have exactly what I describe on both sides of my head and have yet to see this on any other human being.
		If your guest has no such experience, can you refer me to somebody you might know, Barbara in Santa Barbara?
		No, I certainly can't, John.
		Have you ever heard of such a thing?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I hesitate to answer simply because it hits so close to home.
		This last year, our five-year-old girl had recently awoken one morning and was worrying about her ears and scratching at them.
		And I looked inside, and just on the inside of the ear, but still within the actual outside fleshy piece against the temple, was a perfectly circular cord-out hole.
		Now, what's not, that in itself would not be so remarkable if it weren't for the fact that when I looked in the opposite ear, 180 degrees around on her other side of her head was another perfectly cylindrical hole right in the exact same location.
		So, yes, I haven't heard very many other people talk about it, but it's really strange that your caller should happen to ask that question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's really odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, okay.
		What would you say to her?
		I mean...
		All I could say is that...
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I mean, she's more than welcome to contact me, as well as I invite absolutely anybody out there whatsoever who may have information regarding any experiences or any other information regarding the reptilians or reptiles or any sort of contact or abduction to contact me and send me a copy of the information.
		I'd really appreciate it.
		That way it would enable me to be able to get a little better perspective on what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a quick, crazy question, because we're about at the top of the hour.
		A lot of people, when they are abducted, some have actually reported underground experiences.
		Others have reported that they are in the interior of something.
		Now, I wonder if it could be, John, that in many times they are not in a craft at all, but in some sort of underground structure.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Excellent point.
		That's an excellent point.
		And I think the best thing we could do is try and get to that after the top of the hour, because that's an area in all itself.
		I can tell you that in the very few experiences that I personally have had that I can consciously remember was one in particular in which I was sitting in a craft that was like the interior of a Hopi Indian or Pueblo Indian Kiva.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold that thought.
		We'll be right back to you.
		I want to remind everybody our bulletin board service is up with five nodes.
		You can call it at area code 702-727-1709.
		That's our BBS.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		From the Kingdom of Nye, we continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
unidentified		Here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am, and we've got a whole bunch.
		There's a lot of interest.
		John, I'll tell you, we're generating a lot of interest.
		I've got a fistful of faxes here, and we'll try and get to those questions as we can.
		Reminding you, the east of the Rockies line is 1-800-825-5033.
		Now, John, before I...
		It's going nuts.
		Let's talk abductions for a moment.
		It seems to me that indeed a lot of people describe rooms, not necessarily ships, but rooms or even underground, that they know they're underground, and they've been abducted.
		Sometimes they've seen reptilian-like creatures.
		Sometimes they've even seen the U.S. military.
		And that opens up a whole nother can of worms.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, this gets us into an area I was hoping that you would open up, and I thank you for doing that, which is that, as we were saying before, when it looks like these reptilians are underground, all we have to look at is, and I study many, many works of ancient religions, including the modern religion.
		But the one we can most identify with is the Christian religion for the majority of people.
		And I will only say this, is that all you have to do is look at the reptilian in the Garden of Eden.
		And when he had interfered originally with the overall plan, God, Jehovah, or whatever, came down and said, you haven't behaved like I've told you, you know, you've interfered.
		Now get thee underground.
		I will cast thee underground.
		And man's heel shall be upon your forehead.
		And you shall be at man's heel.
		In other words, they were cast underground.
		There are many ancient religions that talk about these reptilians being underground.
		Only one of them is the Hopi religion, where they talk about their ancestors not being human, but being snakes or reptilian.
		And they call them the snake people.
		And like we're coming full circle now from like the beginning of the show, the ant people and the snake people.
		They believe, according to their legends, that at the end of each great cycle when these devastations happen, they're taken underground to safety by the ant people.
		And this area that they lived when it was an underworld.
		And they finally came up after the devastation through a hole in the ceiling of this great underground cave or this underworld called the Sitpab Puni.
		Nobody has ever known where the Sitpop Puni is.
		And they've always thought of it as legend and myth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, in that case, John, this question may answer itself.
		It's from Jop in Seattle, Washington.
		Given their underground status as of now, how did they survive the catastrophe that wiped out all other higher reptile life forms millions of years ago?
		And that kind of answers itself, I guess.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		If there's something happening on the surface, the immediate response is to try and go underground, not only with our own government like they're doing now, but it's shown back in very medieval pictures.
		And it's even reported back in the times like the Velikovskyan series of when they said that the great, you know, the stars fell from heaven and that the great earthquake.
		There's many depictions of people running for caves.
		If there was a more highly evolved form of intelligence in the age of the dinosaur, then perhaps their immediate Instinct was to run for cover as well.
		When you start going underground, there are natural aquifers of fresh water traveling in great rivers in some cases.
		When this happens, it releases highly charged positive ions into the air as well as releases highly energy, excuse me, a high content of oxygen.
		So you can live down in these areas.
		There's radium that lines the walls of some of these caves, which gives off a constant light.
		And there's also many other minerals within the earth itself that you could actually grow from.
		When this underground mythological Indian place, the Sipapuni, was said to be somewhere in the Fort Kariners area, they suppose, there was an article written by the Arizona Gazette, the Phoenix Gazette, back in 1909, where it talks about a man by the name of Kincaid traveling down the Colorado River on a skiff, and he had come across an underground city that was built into the walls of the Grand Canyon that was big enough for 50,000 people to live in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And when I initially read this article, I started a four-year search to see if this could possibly be.
		What I've discovered is that in many outlying areas of where they would have carried that same article, even in the Yuma examiner where he apparently was, the microfilm is all there for every day except those two days that it was printed.
		So there's suspicion by omission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, John, this is also interesting because there have been reports, rumors, myths, whatever you want to call it, some of them fairly substantial, that there's something going on in the Grand Canyon, that some area of it has been cordoned off to the public.
		Nobody's allowed to go near it.
		Nobody knows what it is.
		Have you heard those reports?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they justified by saying it's just dangerous.
		However, I can tell you that, I mean, honestly, after four years of research, I have finally located that exact same location where Kincaid had walked into the cave and found the Egyptian mummies, the metal that nobody could explain where it came from, the hieroglyphics that looked like they were from central Yucatan but not, and the cat's eyes in it.
		And then, like I said, they said that there was enough room for 50,000 people to live in.
		But the question is this, is that if there were in fact 50,000 people in the Grand Canyon, there is no evidence on the surface of that area that 50,000 people ever walked that area.
		So where in the world did they go?
		Now, I have recently been in touch with sightings regarding this, and we've talked about doing something on it, and other people off on the West Coast, because when I finally released the full impact of my discovery of this location, it has such implications to it that it has to be done very gingerly, especially when I carry a lot of respect for the Hopi Indians.
		And this being their mythological place of the emergence from the underworld, it needs to be treated very delicately.
		And we're currently in negotiations with certain elements on the West Coast to try and get that out on the most widely spread way that we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember the old movie Journey to the Center of the Earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure you do.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that great?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And who is to know?
		But could there be portals somewhere on the Earth?
		Do you believe there are?
		Yes.
		That would lead, if not to the center of the Earth, very, very deeply into the Earth?
unidentified		Absolutely.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I believe that the Earth is like a human body in a way, that it has veins and arteries.
		And those veins and arteries are natural and unnatural caverns and tunnel systems.
		And there probably are some areas of the Earth that are more highly concentrated with tunnel systems, such as the Four Corner Southwest area, Central America, and the Andes area of Chile and down in South America.
		One of the greatest reptilians, you know, you've heard these winged reptilians we hear about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		The Draco, and then the non-winged.
		Well, one of the greatest winged reptilian religious symbols there has ever been or deities is that of Quetzacatl.
		And he was a very benevolent being that lived down in the Yucatan area and Mexico.
		And you're going to love this.
		This has got to do with a lot of my research.
		I know you're just probably going to jump off your seat.
		But revelations, when they talk about revelations, it means to reveal what was once hidden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And during these times, these things will be revealed, as will the reptilian life forms.
		Quetzacotl was the being that lived between 600 and 900 AD down in Mexico and also the upper Yucatan.
		And like I said, he was very benevolent.
		He went into an area where the Aztecs were ripping hearts out of people, and he said, no, no, no.
		He said, you know, just put some herbs up on the altar.
		And he taught them science.
		He was the one that the Mayans and the Aztecs attribute to teaching them the Mayan calendar.
		And we know the scientific significance of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		The astronomical calendar.
		But then also, there are many relations between him and what we know of as the Christ.
		As a matter of fact, some people, like the Mormons of today's religions, believe that Quetzalcatl was Christ reincarnate because he was just so benevolent in a very violent area.
		Anyway, through my research, I've realized through studying ancient archaeology and architecture, like in the Art and Architecture of Ancient America by George Kubler, he says that the most ancient of all archaeological ruins that are circular in formation are the result of the presence of the cult of Quetzacadl.
		That being, Quetzicadl means the feathered serpent, the being of the feathered serpent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you connect all this, John, to the incredible sightings going on in Mexico?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I might add, ongoing in Mexico, hundreds of thousands of people are seeing.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I have plans on going down to the first International UFO Congress in Mexico City in August and having the opportunity to talk down there regarding this because I truly do believe that Mexico City is going to be the primary point of contact because if the Mexican people have already started to be conditioned to the more prominent presence there of these craps and information outside the United States,
		if it's real close to us, we have an ability to control it, Especially since the governments are so close now with all the monies being passed back and forth and deals being made.
		But also it's easier to control the information if at first the people don't react properly or as expected.
		And until and when they do have this initial contact, when they if they uh react unexpectedly, then they can stop the information flow right away, as has you've seen.
		They've been doing all along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have, you're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting, though, from those I've talked to who have been to Mexico and have investigated, they have found the Mexican people are actually beginning to get, I'm not going to say nonchalant, but they're beginning to be accustomed to seeing these things almost all the time.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that process is ongoing.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		And if they land there first, when finally they start reacting properly, or so that when we are finally able to see that they have been there and we don't see people running through the streets, then it'll help us react a little bit more calmly to the acceptance of their arrival.
		But also remember that Mexico City sits atop an ancient city of Mexico called Tenoctitlan.
		Tenochtitlan was the initial city created by the Aztecs.
		And of course, the ancient god of the Aztecs was Cuetzicadl.
		Now, when Cuetzicadl was done, this winged serpent being was done with all his divine work down there.
		He said when he left, I will return one day and I will redeem my people, which is exactly the same promise as you've heard other religious deities throughout all earth say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I believe all religions must, as a basic tenet, have a past history and a future promise.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Right, absolutely.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		For us to have hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		John, I'm telling you, we're getting, I've got so many faxes here, I could never get to them all.
		Here is one that says, reptilian experience by a 10-year-old.
		The following abduction experience by my 10-year-old son had grays showing my son reptilians.
		Now, there's much too much.
		This is from Maui, Hawaii, and there's much too much for me to go into here.
		But with all of this contact and all of this interest, John, I'm going to ask that you again please give out the telephone number and address.
		Would you?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I welcome anybody to send material to me and or just send that $10, and I'll money order a check and I'll send them a package of material.
		And the address is John Rhodes.
unidentified		That's R-H-O-D-E-S.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Post office box 50381 Henderson, Nevada, 89016-0381.
		And in case you didn't get the address, you can call the voicemail system.
		It has the address on it again for you, which is 702-391-5-3335.
		And just to let everybody know, I'm not one of these researchers out there that's untouchable or that you can't talk to.
		I more than welcome people to get me information or to share their experiences with me if they feel that there's something that they can contribute to expanding my idea of what's going on.
		And time allowing, I'll try and get back in touch with you.
		And then, of course, we have the tape that's $10.
		And then just add $2 and shipping and handling in there if you want to start finding out for yourself and you'd rather keep that experience a little more quiet than that self-hypnosis tape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, gentlemen.
		Hi.
		Recently, oh, about a year or so ago, in Northern California, extremely northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I am calling from the Ozarks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		But in extreme northern California, actually Fort Smith area, there was a lot of land, off-road land, rugged terrain, that was made off-limits to the public.
		And for one reason or another, I think one government agency made it off limits to protect another one for whatever they were doing.
		And the reason for this is what appeared to be forest rangers were heavily armed with shoulder-strapped machine guns.
		Now, it made no sense at all, and I know they weren't looking for marijuana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's not the reason to cordon it off.
		That is the amount of security to accomplish it.
		What do you think they were cordoning off?
unidentified		I have no idea, but I know that they were keeping it close under taps.
		I mean, why in the world would they have shoulder-strapped machine guns in the first place?
		And this, like I said, in extreme Northern California up near the Oregon border.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've got a facts here also, John, about Mount Shasta.
		There are a lot of stories about Mount Shasta.
		Yes.
		And are you familiar with the term Lemurians?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this a group who supposedly lives in or under Mount Shasta?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, from what I've been able to discover through my research and through the research of other people like Cherry Hinkle and Tao and like the other names I mentioned before, that appears that Mount Shasta is a shared facility, like a neutral base, like almost a Switzerland, for many different races and beings.
		And that's why there's such a variety of different reports coming out of there of various different looking beings.
		As far as Lemuria and Mu and Atlantis, I do believe that, yes, I do believe that there were past continents and other words, past civilizations that were destroyed through their own cataclysms.
		And some of them did escape through the tunnel systems.
		Because the tunnel systems crisscrossed the world, not just here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fascinating.
		Hold on, John.
		Remember to get a copy of this program, which I can understand you might want.
		Call 1-800-917-4278.
unidentified		1-800-917-4278.
unidentified		you you you From the Kingdom of Nine, you're here in Dreamland with Ark Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a lot of interest around what John Rhodes is discussing, the human-reptilian connection, underground tunnels, bases, perhaps even civilizations.
		Back to it in a moment.
		John, a lot of people want to talk to you, so let me take a couple of calls very quickly.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Great, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way out to Maui, Hawaii, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
unidentified		Hi, John.
		Thank you very much for the excellent information.
		And Art, thanks for a great program.
		I just wanted to mention that initially when I was listening to your show tonight, my guard was up and I started resisting the potential of having any connection with reptiles.
		But then I remembered an experience that my 10-year-old son had just a couple years ago, and I'll quote him on it.
		He, first of all, had experience, an alien abduction experience that described graves, entities with oval dark eyes, did not blink, etc.
		But what is important is these entities showed Joshua, quote, bad aliens that had dark skin with many small bumps on them like a reptile.
		And the key point is the aliens said they did not fight them with weapons or try to destroy them, but they kept them at bay with their minds.
		My question is, has there been any other reports that reptilians are hostile or are they more benevolent and friendly toward the human race?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that there are those that are benevolent, and I think there are those that are evil.
		It is the common law of nature, and it cannot be disregarded, that there's the positive and negative polarity of absolutely everything.
		Even an atom has a positive and negative pull to it.
		So when you're talking about human nature as well as nature of a living life form, I think that we are able to fluctuate between the negative and the positive polarities of whether we want to be good or evil as a matter of free will.
		Just as there are some people who may live in foreign countries under a crazy dictator who support perhaps public executions of large masses of people, there are those beings like Mother Teresa.
		And I think you bring up a very good point.
		And that point is this great deceit that we come into that everybody's worried about, is that we have to look within ourselves and know within ourselves exactly who or what we're looking at.
		They say there's an old saying is, know thee by thy deeds.
		You know, know somebody by what they're doing, not by what they're saying or what they look like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds like that man should personally communicate with you.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I openly invite you to.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I think that there's a lot to, I think there's a lot to learn between the two of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
		Yes, sir.
		I've studied reptiles for many years, and one of the things about reptiles that's rather interesting is that the males, genitalia, are located in many species, most species, on both sides of the tail.
		There are two.
		And they have very unique shapes in such a manner that they will uniquely fit the female of that species and no other.
		There was a comment earlier about rape of abductees.
		And it seems to me that this would be one interesting way to try to validate those.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting point you're bringing up.
		I don't know the particulars of what you're talking about as regards to the sexual genitalia of the reptile as opposed to the human being.
		That's something that I haven't really looked into, so I couldn't give you an informative opinion on that.
unidentified		Well, if for no other reason that most reptiles have two, that ought to be an interesting cross-check and the fact that these things are very oddly shaped, very, very oddly shaped.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And probably quite popular.
unidentified		They would probably be very painful, as a matter of fact.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know that there are the reports of the forced rapes, and I'm not sure if there are different reptilians as far as different physical species of them.
		But then again, you know, there's human differences of our own species, like you have the pygmy, and then you have the, you know, the tall people of Africa, and then you have the albinos.
		So I'm not willing to say at this time as to whether they are just of one type.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a fact for you.
		Yes, the primitive brain positioned on top of the human spinal cord has long been referred to as the reptilian brain by academics.
		This information is not news.
		The primitive human brain, often referred to as the reptilian brain, performs the usual and ordinary biological functions which are common with the reptile and higher vertebrates, breath, hunger, thirst, excretion, sex, and so forth.
		Would your guests not agree the great developmental divide between the reptile and the higher vertebrates is the affection of the parent for the young.
		The reptile and lower animal classes abandon the egg or young upon discharge.
		The reptile does not protect, feed, or care for its young.
		The higher vertebrates, beyond and above reptilian biological divide, care for the young in varying degrees.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't have said it better myself.
		And that fax, the person that sent that fax in, it's right on target.
		This possibly explains the large amount of abductions with people where they're being made to hold the children.
		Because if it's, in fact, the case that they're looking at our affection for children, as they apparently are doing, you know, through abductions where these ladies are made to hold the babies.
unidentified		Yes, oh, yeah.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And then they sit back and watch and watch, and they're really amazed at it, and they're just taking in everything they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard many stories about that.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		This would make total sense.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		It really would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really would.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And we've got to remember that the reptiles, primarily people think of them as giving birth to an egg.
		Well, there's the reptile like the adder, the snake, that's the adder that actually gives birth to its young without the egg.
		So, you know, I think that, wow, whoever sent that fact in, please get in touch with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the person sending the facts is named Don from Redmond, Washington.
		So be so notified, Don.
		He'd like to hear from you.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this is Michael in Wichita, Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Michael.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Michael.
unidentified		And I have a much hearing comment about blackouts in the coast, both coasts.
unidentified		And if that has anything to do with Project HARP that I've heard related to on your show before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I would answer that.
		I think not.
		I don't know that for sure, but I don't think the blackouts relate to HAARP.
		They occurred actually prior to HAARP's beginning its activity, so I will leave that one there.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Congratulations for a great show.
		This is New Orleans calling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Art, several weeks ago, you had a UFO guest on that talked about UFOs, and he brought up a particular incident where the United States military had surrounded a downed craft, went on board, discovered that the occupants were reptilian-type occupants on board,
		and women, apparently in an alcove of this spaceship, discovered human remains, human bones.
		And I was wondering if your guest had any knowledge of that incident or any similar incidents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't have any knowledge of that particular incident.
		As far as reports of them having the remains of human beings on board, it's quite possible.
		I wouldn't say that they were the cause of that person's demise, but they could have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to ask you about two.
		I'm going to give you two weird questions.
		You can ignore them if you like.
		We mentioned journey to the center of the earth earlier.
		If you had an opportunity, John, to travel very, very deeply into the earth, if you found a porthole that would take you there, would you go?
unidentified		Yes.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I would not go without deep prayer beforehand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you would go?
		Yes.
		The next question involves an Associated Press story a number of years ago that has always stuck with me.
		Somewhere in Scandinavia, I can't recall where it was, they drilled what they thought to be the deepest hole ever drilled by man.
		And maybe you can update me.
		They lowered microphones, sound microphones, into this hole.
		And they heard sounds of human agony and screaming and torture.
		Thousands of voices.
		Or what appeared to be that.
		And they actually ran that on the Associated Press.
		Now, I remember the story and held it in my hand off the wire and talked about it.
		It was really weird.
		And then you never heard anything more about it.
		How deeply have we ever gone into the earth?
		Do you know?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do know that, according to Grand Corporation documents and the documents from like DARPA and such agencies, they've said that there have been studies to actually build underground bases as far as 8,000 feet underground.
		Now, that's quite a distance.
		It sure is.
		It appears from what I've been able to see that as far as tectonic plate shift and earthquakes, most earthquakes happen on a fairly shallow level.
		And there is a theory out that the deeper you go, the actual it is safer for you to be.
		And if anything did shift over you with the current technology, like the nuclear boring tunnel boring machines that they have, that you could just drill your way out.
		As far as the screens and everything, had you ever heard that report?
		Yeah, I'd heard the report.
		I mean, did they drill through the ceiling of hell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the obvious implication.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Implication, right?
		And it could be maybe that everybody was imagining that that's what they were going to do.
		And that's just what they heard.
		Maybe it was a collective hypnosis of some sort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only thing about it was they claimed they had it on audio tape.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		So I haven't heard it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would love to, John.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		We'll be right back to you.
		John, this has been so interesting.
		There's been so much response that, A, we will have you back on Dreamland again.
		And B, I might think about having you on one Friday night, Saturday morning if you have the time on the regular syndicated program.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		That's the marathon program you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You call it the marathon.
		Program, I guess.
		Yeah.
		Five hours a night, that's right.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a lot of fun, and if you ever get a...
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I try not to, but I tend to be up many times at 2-3 in the morning at my computer doing my research and writing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I do enjoy your shows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then maybe one night we'll plan ahead, and on a Friday night, Saturday morning, you can go get a nap on Friday, and we'll do a show.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I think that could be possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is fascinating, John, because of the I think there's a natural human curiosity about what is below us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We almost know more about what is above us at this point than what is below us, don't we?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and it's been very difficult for researchers such as Tal and Cherry Hinkle and Bill Hamilton and the others to be able to put this word out about we have to start looking underneath our feet.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I think the majority of the reason why it's been so hard to have other researchers in the field take it seriously, as seriously as it should be taken, is number one, with the advent of video cameras, it's easy for us to start getting hooked on looking above our heads because it's just right there for us at times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		And when it's underground, we really don't have anywhere to go with that other than to look at the logic and listen to the information that's being provided.
		Many of these installations and natural cavern Systems are very inaccessible.
		The one, for example, in the Grand Canyon that I discovered is extremely dangerous to try and get to.
		And I wouldn't suggest that anybody, you know, should they find something like that, just go alone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't try this.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, I'm calling from St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		St. Louis, yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I have a friend of mine.
		I read a book once about underground caverns and stuff.
		And it's one guy I was talking to here at work.
		He grew up in an area, I believe it's Creve Corps, but there's a lot of caves out in that area.
		And he said that twice he's seen some odd-looking creatures out there around these particular caves.
		And he's offered many times to take me out there to the area where it was at.
		But he says he knows exactly where they were coming from.
		And he said the one night that he got the best look at them, he said that he had pulled off the side of Rose's car, you know, because he was changing a flat tire.
		And he said that with his brake lights, he's seen these two creatures.
		He said they were about four foot tall or something like that.
		He said they ran across one side of the road.
		He said they were like in this former field.
		And he said they ran in like a kind of hobbling fashion.
		And he said they jumped, you know, across the road over to these weeds on the other side toward the caves.
		And he said, you know, with the brake lights, he could see them, you know.
		And he said that one of them stuck his head up through the weeds, you know, looking at him.
		And he said it was only like 40 feet away.
		And he said it had large heads and had large black eyes.
		So he said he jumped up and took off running, you know, and left the car there, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I would too.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		You can't have the tow truck driver go get it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		But he's offered many times to take me, you know, to the area where he said they're at.
unidentified		And also, I know another guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like you have not yet taken him up on that.
unidentified		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I don't blame you, sir.
		We don't have much time.
		We've got to run.
		John, given an opportunity to actually be abducted by some of the creatures that you suspect exist, or not be abducted, would you be curious enough to say, okay, take me.
		I'm out of here?
		Or would you be more tempted to run like hell?
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I think prime, it's one thing talking about an alien species.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		It's another thing looking at one eye to eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, a lot of us don't understand that.
		We can give lip service to, oh, yeah, well, we're ready.
		You were ready.
		I'm ready, you know.
		But when one's sitting there close enough for you to feel its breath upon your forehead because of its size, I agree.
		And its muscular structure is so much more, I mean, much more profound than you could ever imagine, you'd feel so small and out of control that the first thing that goes is your knees.
		So, no, I wouldn't say that I'd be open for just anybody.
		I still feel that that's a violation.
		However, I believe that if we call upon our divine being within us during that time of an abduction, we can actually command in the name of that power within us for it to stop.
		I would not say that we're all victims.
		I think that many people, starting at childhood, give permission initially to be abducted because they have no fear and they have this great wonderment.
		And children do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, we're out of time.
		There's never enough time.
		Give out your address and phone number one more time.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		If you'd like to receive a package of information concerning this, send $10 money order or check.
		And if you'd like to receive the self-hypnosis cassette for abductees, the same amount, please add $2 additional for shipping and handling to John Rhodes.
		That's R-H-O-D-E-S, post office box 50381, Henderson, Nevada, 89016-0381.
		And if you need that address again, just call the voicemail.
		That's ARIA code 702-391-3335.
		And I'd like to take this opportunity to really thank you very much for all the great work that you've been doing through all the years.
		You know, you really have stepped out on the limb when you first started coming out with this information, Art, and you've actually created waves that have felt repercussions not only locally, nationally, and internationally, but I'm sure dimensionally as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		John, you will be remembered.
		Thank you.
		I live on limbs.
		John Rhodes, we'll have you back.
		Thanks for being here.
john rhodes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Remember, our bulletin board number is area code 702-727-1709.
		To get a tape of this or any other program, call 1-800-917-4278 from the high desert adjacent to Dreamland.
		Good night.
		This has been Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience, not easily nor neatly put in a box.
		Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not matched.
		Yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.

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