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June 18, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - John Rhodes - Human Reptilian Connection

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	Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience
	not easily nor neatly put in a box.
	Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped.
	And yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
	This is Dreamland.
	Sunday evening and indeed this is Dreamland.
	Good evening everybody.
	I am Art Bell, and we've got, I think, a very interesting show this evening.
	As usual, Linda Howe, she tells me she's got quite a report for you this evening.
	Linda Howe, generally regarded across the world as the preeminent expert, I guess, in crop circles, animal mutilations, and their connection to UFOs.
	So we'll do that, and then we'll follow it with John Rhodes.
	John Rhodes has been investigating the human-reptilian connection.
	And aside from knowing some individuals that I might put in that class, or at least descended from that class, I don't know very much about the subject.
	He will also talk to us about underground bases a little bit, now that would certainly make sense if you're talking about the reptilian connection, I guess.
	At any rate, we will explore all of that this evening, so I'm looking very much forward to it, and in just one moment, Linda Howe.
	And he got a letter from John Rhodes, and I'll read to you in part what he said.
	Art in recent years, I have been researching and lecturing about UFOs, underground bases, and occulted archaeology.
	I've also placed the emphasis in my research on the connection between the ancient and intelligent bipedal race of serpent beings called reptilians and human beings.
	These investigations have yielded numerous religious, cultural, And genetic links that provide extremely compelling evidence to the fact that we are genetic descendants of a highly technologically advanced race of alien reptilian beings living on our planet.
	Now, that ought to be a tease enough for you, and I'll add a little something to that.
	I've received information from a number of guests that we are going to book in the future That also maintain that if not reptilian, certainly there has been a very advanced, and there is evidence of, a very advanced civilization that has lived here on Earth previously.
	And that's always interesting, since we're here now, and I assume we would prefer not being relics of some future civilization's examination.
	So we'll get all into that in a moment.
	From the Kingdom of Nine, you're hearing Dreamland with Art Bell.
	It is the CBC Radio Network.
	It is indeed, in one moment, the human-reptilian connection.
	And I think most of us would like to hope there isn't one.
	And now, coming from not very far away, actually, um, Henderson, Nevada, here is John Rhodes.
	John, welcome to the program.
	Thanks, Art.
	It's good to have you.
	It's good to have you, too.
	And, by the way, happy birthday.
	I got wind that it was your birthday on Saturday.
	It was, indeed.
	Oh, it was a wonderful birthday, John.
	Great.
	Wonderful.
	John, I don't know where to start.
	Tell us a little, if you would, about yourself, I guess, first.
	Okay.
	Who is John Rhodes?
	John Rhodes is a gentleman of about 34 years of age.
	When I was younger, I lived most of my life overseas.
	My parents were One was a swimmer, my mother, and my father was a pilot that used to work for Air America, which was an old CIA operative.
	That's right.
	And I had the opportunity as a child to live a lot of different places overseas, including Vietnam when I was 6, 7, and 8, and over in the Middle East in Beirut, Lebanon.
	And then I came back to the United States here, of course completed my education, and It wasn't until about five or six years ago I started getting interested in what was going on as far as the UFO field and unexplained phenomena, because I felt that there was just something that wasn't right as far as the reality in which we were living.
	Well, you heard me say, I'm sure, a little while ago, I've had a lot of guest information lately from people who have been studying for some time the possibility that a civilization existed here on Earth Uh, long before we ever did.
	And that, though there are artifacts, they are few, and most of the evidence of their existence has been erased.
	Uh, does that fit in with what you believe?
	That fits in.
	They've either purposely been erased, in my opinion, or else they've been erased due to natural, uh, geological changes, including, uh, being sunken into the earth, uh, underground.
	And I think most recently we started as human beings being aware of the actuality of these civilizations, not only by seeing things above the surface, such as the Great Pyramids and the unexplained pyramids of Mexico and Central America and South America, all those beautiful pieces of architecture left behind that really we sit here in awe with, even with today's engineering skills.
	But when we started, I think, getting into looking underground as far as geological exploration for oil, And also subsurface use of space for storage for oil fields and gasoline and food, etc., that we started finding a lot of things underground that left even more of a mystery than what we had above ground.
	Again, I've got to stop you for a second, John.
	It's really interesting that you should be saying that because there is a project ongoing now in Alaska called HARP.
	I'm sure you've heard of it.
	Yes, I have.
	And it's supposedly got a dual purpose, and one is to heat up the ionosphere to see what'll happen.
	I'm not sure about that one.
	And the other purpose, supposedly, is to try and map underground tunnels and caves.
	And I thought, hmm.
	Underground tunnels and caves.
	Now, why are we wanting to look underground?
	What do we think is underground that we don't know about?
	Apparently there seems to be more underground that's worth looking at than above our heads in space with the NASA program.
	I've read about HAARP and I've also looked into the Shuttle Bay experiments in which they were using ground-probing radar, they said, to help study the Rwandan ape because of the war in Rwanda.
	Right.
	And that just kind of hit me as kind of funny.
	I think that because of today's technology with the ability to borrow underground with thermal nuclear boring machines that have been patented in U.S.
	patent books by Los Alamos Laboratories, I know before you had a really great researcher on the air, Richard Sauter, and he's done a lot of studies on this and brought a lot of information forward to the public declaring that the United States and other countries by now We have very easily been able to penetrate the Earth with these thermonuclear boring machines that literally vitrify the rock.
	And what's left over is about 25% of mass.
	And since it's molten lava, they compress it towards the tunnel walls, and it permeates through the tunnel walls, creating a self-lined tunnel.
	This is great when you look back at a lot of the old stories of people in caves and caverns, even when you're talking about books like Eddadorpha and other stories like the Smoky Gog in which people talk
	about the Hall of Earth.
	These stories were coming out long before we were even aware of the technology about glass-lined tunnels,
	and that's exactly what the technology is available today is to leave glass-lined tunnels behind.
	And these people were reporting them way back in the last century.
	But these are tunnels, John, that we would have created, so we would therefore, for the most part,
	know they are there, certainly at high government levels.
	The implication of HARP is that we're looking for stuff that we don't know is there.
	Right.
	Well, if it's very simple in terms, I mean an engineering term, due to this technology to be able to borrow underground, then that leaves us a whole new issue.
	Not only would NORAD have to worry about missiles coming from overhead from the north and also be able to look out for any kind of missile attack from above, now we've got a whole new issue about how do we prevent other countries or other species from borrowing under the ground.
	Into our continent, into North American country, and coming near sensitive facilities, or near sensitive government buildings.
	God, there's an awful thought.
	So, I mean... You know that you're right.
	I mean, it would have national security implications, and now I suddenly understand, even the alien question, or the reptilian question aside, there would be national security reasons.
	Suddenly it dawned on me.
	All the billions of dollars they had spent so far, now they've just figured out that they've only done 50% of their job.
	So there had to be this large launch into being able to see who and what is underground at what depth and who they are.
	If, as I believe, there are other alien species coexisting here on this planet with us, they want to make sure not that these species are telling them where they are, but they want to be able to make sure of being able to verify themselves exactly who is where.
	And also when you start looking at the fact that in 1988 they created a That's right.
	That's right.
	That is correct.
	There are some caves, absolutely, that have been defaced.
	But the majority of caves across the United States, most people don't want to go near a cave.
	one-year prison for each entry that a lot
	now in a it supposedly uh...
	to protect the natural resource of the caves is not correct that it cracked there are some cave
	absolutely that have been defaced but the majority of cave
	across the united states most people don't want to go near a cave
	you know because there's a certain amount of superstition and a little
	but it's book in a going into a dark hollowed out people here
	Sure, I'm one of them.
	I wouldn't do it.
	I had to overcome that fear due to my own research and looking around.
	Oh now, wait a minute, you mean you actually have made some trips?
	Yes, I've been into cave systems and also into mines and I can tell you one thing that there is certainly... I had to do it because I'm afraid of climbing, I'm afraid of going into a cave, yet I had to confront my fears in order to to fulfill my research that I'm doing.
	And believe me, in some instances I've been shaking.
	I mean I used to watch people climb a mountain and think, these guys are crazy.
	Yeah, I still think that.
	Then I'm faced with the position of having to go out and learn how to do it myself.
	But yeah, there have been instances where I've gone into certain caves, because I've
	heard that they are, one instance in particular was a reptilian outpost very near Las Vegas
	As a matter of fact, Las Vegas has almost overrun it.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	And when I went in there, a friend of mine told me that this cave had a steel door down a shaft.
	It was really an old mine.
	It had a steel door down a shaft after you went down a vertical pit.
	So I went in with my friend.
	In order to get in there, you had to crawl horizontally on your belly for about 20 feet before you could even stand up because the cave ceiling was right at your back.
	And then I went in there.
	I looked for this door.
	It wasn't there.
	And then I was feeling kind of odd.
	I scraped my knuckles and my fingernails into the wall because it looked kind of wet.
	And I could feel mud go underneath my fingernails.
	I saw like a scrape of mud.
	But when I retrieved backwards, I thought, well, I have to take a picture because this door isn't here.
	And I want to be able to show my friend who told me about this.
	And when I took the picture, I saw a streak of light come up.
	And I looked down at my hands, after I turned my flashlight back on, I looked down at my hands, and there was no mud underneath my fingernails.
	Nor was there any mud on my hands.
	And when I got the actual photograph developed, there was a streak of light going from the bottom left to the top right, with a huge wall of light underneath it, diffused off to the right-hand side.
	I have a feeling, and I'm not any technical expert in this area, and it's just my opinion, but I have a feeling that there was holographs that worked there.
	And with the flash of the camera, it was trying to adjust for that instantaneous change of light level.
	And it couldn't quite do it.
	And this is one of the recent photographs I have of anomalous activities underground.
	I, by the way, I would give my eye teeth to get hold of one of those photographs, John.
	Oh, I'll send you a copy.
	Oh, you will?
	Oh, sure.
	All right.
	You know, I'll tell you, John, I'm right in the middle of writing a book and I'd be glad to give you credit.
	So if you want to include permission to publish it, I'll stick it in there.
	I don't think there'll be a problem.
	All right.
	Wonderful.
	I mean, I really love being able to get these photographs out.
	And I've got a bulletin board system, by the way, where we do that.
	We take special photographs like the one you're talking about and make them available.
	So I'll do that as well.
	Boy, that's fascinating.
	I don't know if I could have overcome my fear, and I sure don't know that I could crawl through a space just barely big enough for me to crawl through.
	I wouldn't like that at all.
	Earth above, Earth below, Earth to each side.
	There's something about that that would be very claustrophobic.
	It is a little bit of something to overcome.
	But one thing is that I've realized through doing all the research that I have is that the old phrase from, I think, it's out of the Bible that says, as above, so below.
	It really does encounter pretty much the question of the UFO phenomenon.
	Alright, what is it that you believe is down there, John?
	Well, when I started thinking about... The one question that really started narrowing me into my field of research, which was primarily getting into the reptilian area, which is I started questioning as to why is it that the majority of contactees Who meet the Nords, and who meet these other wonderful beings from craft, are told that they have some sort of a non-interference clause, where they're not allowed to interfere with us.
	Yet at the same time, through that contact, there was a form of interference.
	But not on the scale of which the greys, what you see now is the greys, the four foot, four and a half foot tall, you know, standard grey, which is the alien with the large black eyes, and the thin extremities, and the large head.
	Why is it that they, along with less frequent, but still, reports of contacts with them and the reptilian beings who have been reportedly been the ones giving them orders or commanding them?
	Why is it that these two particular species have repeatedly been talked about in the field?
	What gives them the right, where others do not have the right, to interfere with us, even when they're talking about doing the experiments with people on crafts, as they do?
	And that started making me look more into our own historical perspective as to what is there left, what's really left of our own history that hasn't already been hidden or just naturally lost that could explain to us the existence of these beings.
	Number one is, when you look at the grave, the oldest reference I can find to anything that's like a grave is that the Hopi Indians refer to these greys as ant people.
	Ant people.
	And from our own visual perspective now, we can see why they would maybe refer to them as ant people.
	Say for instance, what if this being came from underground, or you had knowledge that they lived underground?
	They have large eyes, as do ants.
	Thin extremities, as do ants.
	Large craniums, as do ants.
	And of course, now we can understand that they might have just said, well this is an ant person.
	You're right about the features.
	When you consider an ant, those similarities are quite striking.
	Sure. And you're right about the features. When you consider when you consider that those
	similarities are quite striking. John, hold on a second. We'll be right back to you.
	My guest is John Rhodes. And now I'm beginning to make a bit of the connection myself.
	How about you?
	I couldn't quite understand the human-reptilian connection, but I'm beginning to get there, I think.
	More in a moment.
	John, question for you.
	An obvious question somebody would ask would be, well, if they're reptilian and they are from, in essence, below Earth, then what are the UFOs?
	In other words, what's the connection?
	Are they actually some previous race of humans?
	Or are they from somewhere else occupying our inner ground?
	Well, that's a good question.
	Let me explain this.
	First of all, I started noticing that I believe that they are a species that are off the original trunk, or the tree of life, the first genetic creation that took part on this planet.
	And this may or may not be so, but from what I've been able to gather, this is my perspective.
	We are further genetic chains or genetic branches off that original trunk.
	In a process, John, of evolution or creation or both?
	I think it's both.
	I think originally it was divine creation and then shortly after that there was intervention of sorts.
	What really clued me in on this is starting to look at the antiquity of the serpent and serpent worship around the world.
	There is no animal on earth that has been revered so highly and taken both ends of the spectrum, whether it's negative or positive, into the influence of man and his religion than that of the serpent or the snake.
	That's true.
	You can also include in that category dragons, lizards, and any of the reptilian species, but primarily the serpent, the snake, and or the dragon.
	John, are there not some religions, it strikes me back in the Appalachian Mountains particularly, Christian religions, serious thumper religions, where they use a snake as a demonstration of how they can overcome, and I hesitate to use the word evil, I don't know if evil is right, but overcome something or another, and they use them in religion.
	Yeah, they dance with the snakes and they tempt them, almost bite them.
	That's right, as though you cannot harm me.
	Right.
	And through their own faith in God, they think that once they are bitten that they'll survive.
	In fact, many people, when they're bitten, do in fact swell up, you know, because of the venom.
	Right.
	But yes, the serpent actually exemplifies both the positive and negative religious implications.
	We look at, first of all, the The Japanese and the Chinese revere the serpent or the snake and the dragon as being something very benevolent, while at the same time we're told through our own religion that the being who stood in the Garden of Eden, and remember it was the only reference in the Holy Bible that we could even talk to animals, was that of a reptilian.
	And this reptilian was smart enough to start teaching us.
	And when you look at the connections between the The Sumerian text talking about Enlil, or E, having been a divine being from an extraterrestrial being who was involved with the genetic manipulation of man, and supposedly he lived in a place called Snake Marsh, and he was the one that had taken a branch of the mammalian man and mixed it with some of the reptilian beings.
	The place where he lived, of course, was Snake Marsh, like I said, but you could think of a place where snakes live as a den.
	And then we come back to looking at the biblical explanation in Genesis, where they talk about the reptilian being in a place called Eden, and giving man knowledge.
	Eden, yes.
	Right, Eden.
	And these types of little pieces of information are all over the place, and it's just a matter of being able to make the connection.
	I believe that one reason that... It's really interesting to note that amongst many of the religious cultures of the world, it's a common rule or law, religious law, that they are not allowed to draw or make anything of that which is in heaven.
	All right, John, we've got to pause here at the top of the hour.
	Okay.
	We'll be back.
	Relax for a few moments.
	Eden, that's... Boy, that's quite a jump, huh?
	A little emphasis, but big meaning.
	We'll be right back.
	Welcome to the world of music.
	The Kingdom of Nine. We continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
	From the Kingdom of Nine. We continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
	Here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am, my guest John Rhodes, The Human-Reptilian Connection, and it sounds kind of strange at first, but as you listen, It begins to sound a little less strange.
	This, of course, is a program where we examine different sorts of things.
	Things you don't hear about elsewhere.
	In a moment, I've got one very good fax and a question for John.
	You, too, could be sending me a fax if you would like.
	As a matter of fact, if you have a question for John Rhodes, my fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
	702-727-8499.
	24 hours a day.
	727-8499.
	702-727-8499.
	24 hours a day.
	Now, if you don't have a fax machine, we can sell you one of those.
	There was a report on this last hour's news of an earthquake in the Sierra Nevadas,
	between Nevada and California, of about 4.5.
	And before we continue with what we were doing, John, I want to ask you, this is just the latest in what has seemed like a worldwide swarm of earthquakes.
	I mean, it seems, John, they've been getting more frequent, Earthquakes are underground affairs.
	I just thought I would ask whether you have any comment.
	Well, yeah, I do have a comment.
	And that is that going back to the Hopi Indians, they believe that we are coming across or coming to the end of one of the great cycles at which Earth naturally starts to go through evolutionary changes of its own.
	And these changes are not slow in process.
	They're extremely rapid.
	I pulled information off the Colorado Earthquake Center.
	and did some graphs on it, and it shows that the lower magnitude earthquakes between 1982 and 1993, some of them, like I think it's from 2 to 3, 2 to 2.9, had increased over 8,000% frequency.
	So when you start looking at something laid out in a graphics form as telling you how often these earthquakes are happening and how much more they're happening every year, It tends to make one sit back and worry a little bit.
	Yes, that's what I've been doing.
	And I've been doing, John, talk radio a long time now.
	And it is to the point now where I'm reporting one or two earthquakes a day most times.
	So you say there's an 8,000 percent?
	In some cases it is.
	The larger magnitude earthquakes have not increased in frequency.
	They're beginning to, but overall the lower magnitude earthquakes have over a ten year period.
	or 12-year period. This shows that it's building up for massive energy release, because it's
	got to snap somewhere along the line. When we look at the fact that FEMA, as an organization,
	$10 out of $11, according to some of the reports in newspapers that were reported, said that
	FEMA spent $11 out of $12 preparing the United States for Armageddon. I think that, yes,
	there's a definite worry about nuclear weapons getting into third world countries' hands,
	and terrorists' hands.
	But there's also a very logical precaution that our government would have to take in order to ensure its own survival.
	And that's one of the reasons that since the 1950s, they've been heavily, heavily involved with building very, very deep underground bunkers.
	All right, here we are underground once again.
	It seems to me if there were an underground civilization of either creatures related or not related to us, if they had that kind of mobility underground, they might have the ability to manipulate in some way the tectonic pressures and releases and so forth and so on.
	Is that too speculative?
	Well, no, I believe that could be utilizing some sort of Rikian or Tesla technology, or even other technology that we couldn't even put a name to.
	But, yeah, from my own perspective, I think the Earth is somewhat of a living organism, and just as a human being goes in to get needles put into their head through acupuncture to relieve certain stresses and strains, I think that it's very possible to do that to the Earth.
	However, it's only a temporary remedy.
	The overall problem has to be cured, otherwise The remedy itself won't last.
	All right.
	Here's a fax.
	Dear Art, greetings from a fellow Gemini.
	Your guest is interesting about the reptilian-human connection.
	Whenever you have a guest about alien species or ancient history, I frequently recall the five-part, two-hour movie named V. The movie was on TV, back when I had a TV.
	It's about an aliens coming to Earth to help us with many of our problems.
	But, as the story progressed, One investigative reporter had a suspicion that all was not as rosy as they put out for one aspect, even though they looked human.
	The investigative reporter found out that beneath the disguise, they were reptilian who ate mammals, including humans.
	Have you and or your guests seen the movie?
	Yes, I have seen the series and the film.
	I've also seen very many other reptilian forms recently come into the media in order to make us either afraid or love them.
	In the case such as E.T., we were made to feel very good and secure about the alien that is what we could refer to as like a grey.
	Very small and not intimidating.
	Or even cute.
	They managed to get E.T.
	cute.
	Right.
	And one scene, as a matter of fact, in that movie, it was even cuddled up with all the bears.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	You know, it loves children, dogs, that kind of thing.
	But somehow I get the feeling that a lot of... Well, for example, the report Linda did before you came on the air, did you hear that sound?
	Yes, I did.
	That would not come from something that I would describe as cute.
	I kind of agree with that, but then at the same time is that, you know, we all have our perspectives.
	I believe that we have been seeing a lot of the greats, the greats from what I've been able to learn through other researchers, such as what I consider the great researchers like Bill Hamilton and Bruce Walton and Tom Adams and Cherry Hinkle and Tao out in California.
	From what we've been able to gather as a group is the fact that these four and a half foot tall greys are an intermixture between genetically hybrid beings.
	They're used to be intermediaries between the reptilians and the humans because if the reptilians came out full form as they could and as they will in the future, it would be much too frightening for us now.
	So they use something a little less intimidating, which are these greys.
	With the media, When you looked at programs recently, like Stargate... Oh, I just saw Stargate!
	Gosh, what a movie!
	Okay, now, when you start looking at a program like Stargate, and realize that here's this being that made its presence known on a planet, and had its association with ancient history, like the pyramid, and then said, I've come down here, and I was part of that which created you, and you should pay homage to me, the last image we saw When this being was obliterated was that of a reptilian.
	A standing reptilian.
	And it comes very fast, but you have to look at it.
	And that made us, on a very, almost subliminal level, think of a reptile as something to be afraid of.
	Yes.
	We've heard abductions where humans have been abducted through UFO experience, in which they have been forcibly raped by reptilians.
	Seven foot tall beings that are bipedial, bifocal, and have the regular scales and eyes that look like flame, and that statement itself can be taken back to a lot of ancient writings, and that are forcibly raped.
	I started thinking, wait, I don't understand this.
	If the reptilians are like that, but yet they're trying to make the greys look good, if they're going to all come out someday, How could that be when we've had just the reports of the greys being presented to us as something that's really nice?
	Okay, what do you think the greys are?
	Are they biological entities?
	I've heard them described as that, and possibly machines.
	Well, I believe that they're both.
	I believe that the original gene, or the genetic strain by which the greys originated from, they are just Like we are, natural beings, and some of them are good and some of them are bad.
	But then again, I believe that maybe due to the scarcity of them, we're not having too many here, that certain parts of their genetic strains were taken and chained up and linked together with human chains, and or other chains, and became what you consider biological robotoids, who perhaps don't have a soul.
	But then again, we look at some animals and think, that can't have a soul.
	But I think the main question here is that we've been so conditioned as a human species to be able to take what's visually presented to us and make very quick judgments.
	And as there are good humans and bad humans, so must there be reptilians who are of certain physical characteristics, say like a reptilian, right, that is good as well as bad.
	There have got to be greys that are good as well as bad.
	That is one of the laws of nature.
	Alright, I also find quite a bit of religious underpinning as you discuss your philosophy of who you believe these beings are.
	Is that about right?
	Well, you can't avoid it.
	I believe that if they've been here for longer than we have, then obviously in some ways they have had the opportunity to manipulate our religious perspective.
	So the argument then is Are they the creators, or is there a creator beyond?
	And the impression I get from you is you believe there is a creator beyond.
	Oh, I definitely believe that.
	Just as the laboratory rat might turn to us and look over the edge of the cage and say, are you it?
	Right?
	Yes.
	And anyway, to get around to the connection that we have between these beings, I started looking into a book called The Dragon's Eden, written by a very intelligent man called Carl Sagan.
	And in Carl Sagan's book, he theorizes on the evolution of human intelligence.
	And in that book, he refers to a gentleman by the name of Paul MacLean, who's a neuroanatomist.
	Now, Paul MacLean has said, through his own research and investigation, that the most ancient part of the human brain is called the R-complex.
	And the R stands for reptilian, because we share this same configuration of matter with reptiles.
	And it is the most ancient part of the human brain that rests above the spinal cord.
	The neocortex and the limbic system are built around it.
	In other words, they're adaptations to this very ancient part of the brain.
	Well, if you believe in the regular creation theory, or the evolutionary theory, in which we came from a pond as fish and waddled up on the surface and we evolved from there, That would make sense, because we would see the connections with ourselves and reptiles.
	All right.
	Well, thankfully, there appears no further connection, for I feel no draw to go out by my porch light, where there's lots of bugs, you know, and thrust my tongue out and grab a few of them.
	A forked tongue, I'm sure.
	On that note, we'll pause for just a moment.
	A forked, I hope not.
	Before I'm about to do a couple of commercials.
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	All right.
	In just a moment, we're going to get back to John Rhodes and talk a little more about all of this.
	As a matter of fact, let's do that now.
	John, are you there?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	What I was going to say is that on top of the fact that the neuroanatomists say that the most ancient part of the human brain, the most central part, the archaic part, is called the R-complex because it stands for reptilians and we share it with reptiles, there's also other striking connections that have been recently brought to my attention.
	One of them was that in Omni Magazine, September 1994, they had written an article in May 1994 called Lizard's Love.
	What they discovered is that male iguanas were getting extremely, extremely, let's put it this way, they were starting to love their owners, the female owners anyway, the women who owned iguanas.
	Really?
	It happened during the menstrual cycle and they discovered that it's because female humans
	secrete a pheromone that is absolutely chemically identical to that of a female iguana.
	Chemically it's an absolute identical match to a female iguana and that's why the male
	iguanas were getting so amorous.
	On top of that you have many other connections.
	You would say that is sort of a hormonal connection.
	Right.
	Right.
	And then when you start looking about this most ancient part of the brain and all these
	connections, what does it mean?
	Well when the human embryo is in the female womb it undergoes probably during the first
	seven weeks certain changes in its formation.
	As a matter of fact, what happens is genetic history starts replaying itself through the embryonic growth.
	John, I'm sorry to stop you again, but what about the gigantic difference between our systems?
	Mammals, warm-blooded, reptilians, cold-blooded. I mean that really is a big,
	seemingly gigantic, evolutionary difference.
	Yes, but at the same time, even paleontologists today, some paleontologists are starting to think twice as to whether
	all the dinosaurs back in the...
	in the dynasties, the dinosaurs were in fact cold-blooded.
	Oh, you're right!
	I've heard that.
	You're absolutely right.
	That's been some of the later news.
	I'm sorry I didn't recall that.
	Thank you.
	And according to Gail Russell, who's an anthropological scientist with the Canadian National Museum of Natural Science in Canada, he said that a dinosaur by the name of Stenonychosaurus equalis If it had not undergone such a catastrophic change as apparently took place and killed out the dinosaur age, that because of its brain-to-body mass ratio, which was extremely close to those of primitive mammals, and the fact that it was bipedal, that if it had been allowed to evolve as the dominant species that it was heading towards being,
	That nowadays it would have resembled that of a walking, talking, what we consider through looking at the abduction report, reptilian being.
	All right, John, hold it right there.
	We've got a break at the bottom of the hour and something I've got to get done very quickly, so let me do that.
	We'll take our break and come right back.
	My guest is John Rhodes, the human-reptilian connection, and we will get deeper into this subject in just a moment.
	From the high desert, this is Dreamland.
	This is the world of the dead.
	From the kingdom of Nigh, you're hearing Dreamland with Art Bell.
	My guest is author, lecturer John Rhodes.
	He talks of the human-reptilian connection and things underground.
	We will get phone calls here in a couple of moments.
	I've got a couple of very good questions.
	One of them about the hum.
	Now, back to John Rhodes.
	John, I know I'm skipping around a lot, but when I have somebody who's an expert on underground, I've got a lot of questions, and I know that you've heard about this.
	I have a good friend, John, who built a porch here in Pahrump, Nevada, on the other side of the valley.
	He sank big beams into the ground in order to do this.
	After he built it, he had such a bad hum, John, that he could not sleep at night in his house.
	That's how bad it was.
	He ended up having to reconstruct, redo the whole thing in a different way.
	Something was being picked up and transmitted into his home from underground.
	What have you heard about this?
	Well, I know that the underground hum that's been heard, like in Taos, is not limited to just the Taos area, but has actually been heard in different countries around the world as well.
	And it's been happening for longer than most people realize.
	My own idea of what it may be, we've heard the theories about using ELF and loop antennas to be able to communicate through the water and over the atmosphere with submarines around the world.
	That is correct.
	I know that the Colorado Bureau of Mines patented a device that actually uses ELF to communicate through the rock.
	In other words, it doesn't need any cables or anything.
	It just uses the rock to carry the signal.
	And the lower the frequency, The greater the coverage area.
	And when you start talking about, see all I perceive now as my reality is moving atoms and frequency.
	And all we really have to live by this time around in our lives is this mass or different combinations of frequencies combined together to create different objects and different light.
	And when you start talking about the talisman, you're talking about a frequency that's being put through the earth But yet, at the same time, there's a lot of natural crystal formations within the Earth that could take certain branches of this frequency and, I guess you could say, change it or mutate it, so we may have some sort of a sympathetic resonance with it.
	Interesting.
	Around the meninges of the brain, which is the sheath covering the blood-brain barrier, we have a high quantity of what they call magnetite crystal.
	And what this is, is that Dr. Kirschvink of Caltech has started looking into this, thinking that there's higher concentrations of magnetite crystal.
	Now magnetite, mind you, is a naturally forming magnet ore.
	It's like lodestone in the earth.
	We don't eat it, but our body actually manufactures it.
	So when we have magnetite crystals surrounding our brain, that means that we as humans have everything necessary to make a transmitter or receiver.
	which is crystals, magnets, energy and minerals.
	So if you're getting these different frequency fluctuations, I don't doubt whatsoever that we are somehow sympathetically
	resonating with those frequencies.
	As to what they could be, well, like we said before, perhaps they are some sort of a subsurface radar around
	these sensitive facilities looking for anything that may be coming near them.
	Oh, that's fascinating.
	Because a lot of these reports have actually come in from areas
	where previously people have said that there's some sort of anomalous activity happening
	with clandestine black book operations.
	So that's one possibility.
	Another is, of course, you know, the communication.
	And the other one is, of course, and I've thought about it, and I don't know how true it could be, that the people who are hearing them have implants.
	And somehow these implants are being triggered.
	So these people are being able to hear a sound.
	Because they're not quite hearing it, but they're sensing it all over.
	Now, I've heard sounds like that that have continued for a period of two or three weeks, like a clicking, but then that clicking has stopped.
	I've also found out that other people associated with the group have heard the same sound at the same time, and it all stopped at the same time.
	All right, this is from Sean in Yucca Valley, then I'm going to give out the numbers and we're going to answer some phones.
	Art, I have often heard a claim there is only a 2% difference between humans and chimpanzees' genetic material.
	This seems to argue against any human reptilian melding Would you please ask John to comment on the point?
	In other words, as we look at genetic connection, I think the factor is correct.
	There's a very close relationship to chimpanzees.
	Oh, absolutely.
	But genetically, not so close to reptilians.
	Well, like I said, the connection is definitely there to reptilians.
	I'm not saying the primary connection, or the most evidentiary one is, or the most dominant connection is.
	I do believe, like the caller had called in, or faxed in, that yes, there is a high degree of connection with regular mammals, like the primitive apes.
	However, it appears to be that the most dormant form of a connection that we have, coming from the archaic part of the brain, is that of a reptilian.
	So, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
	Which came first, the monkey or the reptile?
	So, when you're talking about, I guess you could say, Paul McClain says that he's been able to excise, like laboratory rats, parts of their brain, or laboratory animals, parts of their R-complex.
	And what he's realized is that that R-complex dominates our social, our behavior patterns as far as hierarchy, territoriality, ritualism, and aggressive behavior.
	And this is how he was able to find that out.
	So, when we're talking about, like, who are we, it makes more sense to me that there's some sort of an important connection there with the reptilians, because I haven't heard too many stories of abductions by monkeys.
	That's a good point.
	Where I have heard the abductions by reptilians.
	All right, John, let me quickly give out the numbers and we'll take some calls.
	Fascinating topic.
	First time caller line, um, area code 702-727-1222.
	The wild card line, several of those available.
	Area code 702-727-1295.
	Toll free, west of the Rockies, it's 1-800-618-8255.
	East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-618-8255.
	several of those available area code seven oh two
	seven two seven one two
	nine five toll-free west of the rockies it's one
	eight hundred six one eight
	eight two five five east of the rockies it's one
	Just one other quick thing, John, then we'll pick up some calls.
	The natural magnetic material that you say surrounds our brain, wouldn't that... they're doing a lot of studies now about electromagnetic fields and how they affect us.
	And when I say that, I mean even radio, television, and microwave transmission.
	Would this be... Do you see a connection, in other words?
	If we are receptors, then it seems to me that sort of energy might be received and or might be affecting us.
	Right.
	Well, there's so many forms of energy that we're aware of, but I believe that there are so many forms of more subtle energies that we're not aware of, and I think we catch the full spectrum.
	Yeah, I think it's very unhealthy to live around power lines.
	As a matter of fact, they say that when people go into caves or cave systems or underground, there's a natural insulation there provided for them so they're no longer walking on the surface as just regular human antennas.
	That would be true.
	You just have to stick up a good antenna and you can figure out that, my God, there's thousands, thousands of frequencies shooting straight through us all the time.
	Thousands.
	Yes, well, They're also doing a lot of work on intense magnetic fields, and I hate to admit this, I'm a ham operator.
	Right.
	And I've been doing so since I've been about 12 years old, so I've been getting exposed to close-in, large electromagnetic fields, RF, all my life.
	And frankly, and I'm sorry to have to report it, but they've done a lot of reports indicating that amateur radio operators and people exposed to a lot of RF You do tend to have a higher cancer rate, so there may be something to all this.
	But then again, just to comfort you, I know that the mind is so much more powerful than we've ever been allowed to previously conceive that it is or believe that it is.
	Well, thanks for the comfort, John.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm calling from Oklahoma City.
	I've been listening to your show and I just caught in on the latter part of your show this evening.
	One of the things I had in question when you were talking about Rotelian is I have a large amount of paperwork and work that's been gathered for the past ten years from a friend of mine who believes she's an alien or a part alien and she's given me her work and it has hundreds of drawings and cryptic writing And I'd like to know whom I can get in touch with to show this work to.
	Well, cryptic writings, aliens, does it seem to relate to some sort of reptilian connection?
	To some degree.
	In some parts of her notes it does.
	It does.
	I went and bought a particular book on cryptic writings from past centuries, trying to decipher some of the information.
	All right, all right, all right.
	Listen on the air.
	John, it's a good opportunity.
	If somebody like that or anybody else wants to get hold of you, or maybe... Have you written a book, John?
	Well, no.
	The book's in the works.
	I've just made a recent... We'll get into it a little bit more if you want.
	All right, then let me try this out on you.
	If they want to get hold of you and get you information... Okay, this is what you do.
	First of all, if it's something that you're really, really frightened of somebody interfering or intercepting, The way to do this is to take it and fully register it and heavily insure it.
	This way, if it's ever missing in the mail accidentally, then you stand to make a little bit of money from it.
	I've had so many things missing through the mail, this is the only way I really truly get things where I want them to go.
	I figure if they're going to end up missing, I might as well make a little living at it.
	I'll give you an address.
	The address is John Rhodes, R-H-O-D-E-S.
	That's a post office box.
	5-0-3-8-1.
	Henderson.
	That's H-E-N-D-E-R-S-O-N.
	Nevada.
	8-9-0-1-6-0-3-8-1.
	I also have a voicemail system set up.
	Do it again though.
	Okay.
	It's John Rhodes.
	Right.
	Post Office Box 5-0-3-8-1.
	Henderson, Nevada.
	89016-0381.
	And I have a voicemail also, which if you don't mind, in case anybody needs to or would like to receive a package of information regarding this research and other related research, if they do a money order or check for $10 and send it to me, I'll get them off a comprehensive package.
	And if you'd like, go ahead and send it to that address.
	My voicemail in case you want to notify me of anything or need some further information like the address again is area code 702-391-3335.
	I have a number of books that I have written. I have done some psychoacoustic and psycho-work.
	And 702-391-3335.
	I have done some work with sound, and I have been able to create a subliminal self-hypnosis
	tape for abductees.
	The reason I did this is because so many people are feeling like they've somehow been touched, and they don't have the money to go spend $90 an hour to go to a psychiatrist to get hypnosis.
	So I've used some very ancient metaphysical tones that correspond with the chakra.
	I've gotten together with a very famous hypnotist out here in Las Vegas by the name of Helen Balcom.
	We designed this self-hypnosis tape that teaches people how to get themselves into the self-hypnotic state as well as empower them through their experiences instead of allowing them to sit in the victimization role and recall some of these events if they so choose.
	Alright, if it's not... Go ahead.
	I was going to say, if it's not $90 an hour, how much is it?
	It's $10, and once you buy it, I just welcome you until otherwise, until I otherwise tell you to go ahead and copy it, and please hand it out to your friends.
	Because part of my job here, not only am I a spokesman for a group of people who have spent their lives working on subjects such as this, but my job here, right now, is to help people and empower people.
	And that's one of the reasons I also sometimes, when I go out and give lectures, I'll spend an extra day, take a handful of people, and teach them to investigate for themselves.
	Because we all need to put at least a little bit of work into it, and the more people who put work into it, and forward the information to someone like myself, which is like a pivot point, then the more ability we have to be able to get a clearer perception on what's going on.
	This is a shot in the dark, John.
	It's a fax.
	Ask John if he's ever heard or seen a human Who has small holes on the side of the head, near the top of the ear, and in slightly toward the temple.
	I have exactly what I described on both sides of my head, and have yet to see this on any other human being.
	If your guest has no such experience, can you refer me to somebody you might know?
	Barbara in Santa Barbara?
	No, I certainly can't, John.
	Have you ever heard of such a thing?
	I hesitate to answer simply because it hits so close to home.
	This last year, our five-year-old girl had recently awoken one morning and was worrying about her ears and scratching them, and I looked inside, and just on the inside of the ear, but still within the actual outside fleshy piece against the temple, was a perfectly circular, cored-out hole.
	Would not be so remarkable if it weren't for the fact that when I looked in the opposite ear, 180 degrees around, on her other side of her head, was another perfectly cylindrical hole, right in the exact same location.
	So, yes, I haven't heard very many other people talk about it, but it's really strange that your caller should happen to ask that question.
	I mean, that's really odd.
	Yeah, okay.
	What would you say to her?
	All I could say is that... Do you want her to contact you?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, she's more than welcome to contact me, as well as I invite absolutely anybody out there whatsoever who may have information regarding any experiences or any other information regarding the reptilians or reptiles or any sort of a contact or abduction to contact me and send me a copy of the information.
	I'd really appreciate it.
	That way it would enable me to Excellent point.
	get a little better perspective on what's going on.
	Here's a quick crazy question because we're about at the top of the hour.
	People, a lot of people when they are abducted, some have actually reported underground experiences.
	Others have reported that they are in the interior of something.
	Now I wonder if it could be, John, that in many times they are not in a craft at all
	but in some sort of underground structure.
	Excellent point.
	That's an excellent point and I think the best thing we could do is try and get to that
	at the top after the top of the hour because that's an area in all itself.
	I can tell you that, in the very few experiences that I personally have had that I can consciously remember, was one in particular in which I was sitting in a craft that was like the interior of a Hopi Indian or Pueblo Indian Kiva.
	All right, hold that thought.
	We'll be right back to you.
	I want to remind everybody our bulletin board service is up with five nodes, you can call it.
	At area code 702-727-1709.
	That's our BBS.
	That's our BBS.
	We'll be right back.
	From the kingdom of Nigh, we continue with your calls on Dreamland with Art Bell.
	go.
	Here's Art Bell.
	Here I am, and, uh, we've got a whole bunch, there's a lot of interest, uh, John, I'll tell you, uh, we're generating a lot of interest.
	I've got a fistful of faxes here, and we'll try and get to those, uh, questions as we can.
	Reminding you the east of the Rockies line is 1-800-825-5033.
	Now, John, before I... I've got a whole lot of faxes and questions here and phone calls.
	It's going nuts.
	Let's talk abductions for a moment.
	It seems to me that indeed a lot of people describe rooms, not necessarily ships, but rooms or even underground, that they know they're underground.
	And they've been abducted sometimes, they've seen reptilian-like creatures, sometimes they've even seen the U.S.
	military, and that opens up a whole other can of worms.
	Right.
	Well, this gets us into an area I was hoping that you would open up, and I thank you for doing that, which is that, as we were saying before, when it looks like these reptilians are underground, all we have to look at is, and I study many, many works of ancient religions, including the modern religion, But the one we can most identify with is the Christian religion, for the majority of people.
	That's right.
	And I will only say this, is that all you have to do is look at the reptilian in the Garden of Eden, and when he had interfered originally with the overall plan, God, Jehovah, or whatever, came down and said, you haven't behaved like I've told you, you know, you've interfered.
	Now get the underground.
	I will cast the underground.
	And man's heel shall be upon your forehead, and you shall be at man's heel.
	In other words, they were cast underground.
	There are many ancient religions that talk about these reptilians being underground.
	Only one of them is the Hopi religion, where they talk about their ancestors not being human, but being snakes, or reptilians.
	And they call them the snake people.
	And we're coming full circle now from the beginning of the show, the ant people and the snake people.
	They believe, according to their legends, that at the end of each great cycle, when these devastations happen, they're taken underground to safety by the Ant People, and this area that they lived in was an underworld.
	And they finally came up after the devastation through a hole in the ceiling of this great underground cave, or this underworld, called the Sipapuni.
	Nobody has ever known where the Sipapuni is, and they've always thought of it as legend and myth.
	Okay, in that case, John, this question may answer itself.
	It's from Job in Seattle, Washington.
	Given their underground status as of now, how did they survive the catastrophe that wiped out all other higher reptile life forms millions of years ago?
	And that kind of answers itself, I guess.
	Right.
	If there's something happening on the surface, the immediate response is to try and go underground.
	Not only with our own government like they're doing now, but It's shown back in very medieval pictures, and it's even reported back in the times like the Velikovskian series of when they said that the stars fell from heaven and that there was a great earthquake.
	There's many depictions of people running for caves.
	If there was a more highly evolved form of intelligence in the age of the dinosaur, then perhaps their immediate instinct was to run for cover as well.
	When you start going underground, There are natural aquifers of fresh water traveling, and great rivers in some cases.
	When this happens, it releases highly charged positive ions into the air, as well as releases a high content of oxygen.
	So you can live down in these areas.
	There's radium that lines the walls of some of these caves, which gives off a constant light, and there's also many other minerals within the earth itself that you could actually grow from.
	This underground mythological Indian place, the Sipapuni, was said to be somewhere in the Four Corners area, they supposed.
	There was an article written by the Arizona Gazette, the Phoenix Gazette, back in 1909, where it talks about a man by the name of Kincaid traveling down the Colorado River on a skiff, and he had come across an underground city that was built into the walls of the Grand Canyon that was big enough for 50,000 people to live in.
	Really?
	And when I initially read this article, I started a four year search to see if this could possibly be.
	What I've discovered is that in many outlying areas of where they would carry that same article, even in the Yuma Examiner where this, you know, he apparently was, the microfilm is all there for every day except those two days that it was printed.
	So there's suspicion by omission.
	You know, John, this is also interesting because there have been reports, rumors, myths, whatever you want to call it, some of them fairly substantial, that there's something going on in the Grand Canyon, that some area of it has been cordoned off to the public.
	Nobody's allowed to go near it.
	Nobody knows what it is.
	Have you heard those reports?
	Well, they justify it by saying it's just dangerous.
	However, I can tell you that, I mean, honestly, after four years of research, I have finally located that exact same location where Kincaid had walked into the cave and found the Egyptian mummies, the metal that nobody could explain where it came from, the hieroglyphics that look like they were from central Yucatan but not, and the cat's eyes.
	And like I said, they said that there was enough room for 50,000 people to live in.
	But the question is this, is that if there were in fact 50,000 people in the Grand Canyon,
	there is no evidence on the surface of that area that 50,000 people ever walked that area.
	So where in the world did they go?
	Now I have recently been in touch with sightings regarding this and we've talked about doing
	something on it and other people off on the West Coast because when I finally released
	the full impact of my discovery of this location, it has such implications to it that it has
	to be done very gingerly, especially when I carry a lot of respect for the Hopi Indians.
	And this being their mythological place of the emergence from the underworld, it needs
	to be treated very delicately.
	And we're currently in negotiations with certain elements on the West Coast to try and get that out on the most widely spread way that we can.
	Do you remember the old movie Journey to the Center of the Earth?
	I'm sure you do.
	Wasn't that great?
	Yes.
	And who is to know, but could there be portals somewhere on the Earth, do you believe there are, that would lead, if not to the center of the Earth, very, very deeply into the Earth?
	Absolutely.
	I believe that the Earth is like a human body in a way, that it has veins and arteries.
	And those veins and arteries are natural and unnatural caverns and tunnel systems.
	And there probably are some areas of the Earth that are more You know, highly concentrated with tunnel systems, such as the Four Corners Southwest area, Central America, and the Andes area of Chile, and down south in South America.
	One of the greatest reptilian... You know, you've heard these winged reptilians we hear about.
	Yes.
	The Draco, and then the non-winged.
	Well, one of the greatest winged reptilian religious symbols there has ever been, or deities, is that of Quetzalcoatl.
	and he was a very benevolent being that lived down in the Yucatan area and Mexico.
	And you're going to love this.
	This has got to do with a lot of my research.
	I know you're just probably going to jump off your seat.
	But when they talk about revelations, it means to reveal what was once hidden.
	And during these times, these things will be revealed, as will the reptilian life forms.
	But Zicodile was the being that lived between 600 and 900 AD down in Mexico and also the
	upper Yucatan.
	And like I said, he was very benevolent.
	He went into an area where the Aztecs were ripping hearts out of people, and he said, no, no, no.
	He said, you know, just put some herbs up on the altar.
	And he taught them science.
	He was the one that the Mayans and the Aztecs attribute to teaching them the Mayan calendar.
	And we know the scientific, you know, significance of that.
	Oh, yes.
	The astronomical calendar.
	But then also, there are many relations between him and what we know of as the Christ.
	As a matter of fact, Some people, like the Mormons of today's religion, believe that Quetzalcoatl was Christ's reincarnate, because he was just so benevolent in a very violent area.
	Anyway, through my research, I've realized, through studying ancient archaeology and architecture, like in The Art and Architecture of Ancient America by George Kubler, he says that the most ancient of all archaeological ruins that are circular in formation Are the result of the presence of the cult of Quetzalcoatl.
	That being, Quetzalcoatl means the feathered serpent.
	The being of the feathered serpent.
	Do you connect all this, John, to the incredible sightings going on in Mexico?
	And I might add, ongoing in Mexico.
	Hundreds of thousands of people are seeing this.
	Absolutely.
	I have plans on going down to the First International UFO Congress in Mexico City in August.
	And having the opportunity to talk down there regarding this.
	I truly do believe that Mexico City is going to be the primary point of contact, because if the Mexican people have already started to be conditioned to the more prominent presence there of these crafts, and information outside the United States, if it's real close to us, we have an ability to control it, especially since the governments are so close now, with all the monies being passed back and forth, and deals being made, but also it's easier to control the information if at first the people don't react properly, or as expected.
	And when they do have this initial contact, if they react unexpectedly, then they can stop the information flow right away.
	As you've seen, they've been doing all along.
	Well, they have, you're right.
	It's interesting though, from those I've talked to who have been to Mexico and have investigated, they have found the Mexican people are actually beginning to get, I'm not going to say nonchalant, But they're beginning to be accustomed to seeing these things almost all the time.
	Absolutely.
	So that process is ongoing.
	Oh, yeah.
	And if they land there first, when finally they start reacting properly, or so that when we are finally able to see that they have been there and we don't see people running through the streets, then it'll help us react a little bit more calmly to the acceptance of their arrival.
	But also remember that Mexico City sits atop An ancient city of Mexico called Tenochtitlan.
	Tenochtitlan was the initial city created by the Aztecs, and of course the ancient god of the Aztecs was Quetzalcoatl.
	Now when Quetzalcoatl was done, this winged serpent being was done with all his divine work down there, he said when he left, I will return one day and I will redeem my people, which is exactly the same promise as you've heard other religious Of course.
	Right?
	Yes.
	But I believe all religions must, as a basic tenet, have a past history and a future promise.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	For us to have hope.
	Okay.
	John, I'm telling you, I've got so many faxes here, I could never get to them all.
	Here is one that says, Reptilian experience by a 10-year-old.
	The following abduction experience by my ten-year-old son had grays showing my son reptilians.
	Now, there's much too much.
	This is from Maui, Hawaii, and there's much too much for me to go into here.
	But with all of this contact and all of this interest, John, I'm going to ask that you again please give out the telephone number and address.
	Would you?
	Absolutely.
	I welcome anybody to send material to me and or Just send that $10, and I'll, uh, money order a check, and I'll send them a package of material.
	And the address is John Rhodes, that's R-H-O-D-E-S, post office box 50381, Henderson, Nevada, 89016-0381.
	And in case you didn't get the address, you can call the voicemail system.
	It has the address on it again for you, which is 702-391-3335.
	And just to let everybody know, I'm not one of these researchers out there that's untouchable or that you can't talk to.
	I more than welcome people to get me information or to share their experiences with me if they feel that there's something that they can contribute to expanding my idea of what's going on.
	All right.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
	Hi.
	Good evening, gentlemen.
	Hi.
	Recently, about a year or so ago, in northern California, extremely northern California... Where are you, sir?
	and handling it there if you want to start finding out for yourself and you'd rather keep that
	experience a little more quiet. All right. Self-hypnosis tape. All right. East of the Rockies,
	you're on the air with John Rhodes. Hi. Good evening, gentlemen. Hi. Recently,
	all about a year or so ago, in Northern California, extremely Northern California.
	Where are you, sir? I am calling from the Ozarks. Okay.
	But in extreme Northern California, actually, Portsmouth area, there was a lot of land,
	off-road land, rugged terrain, that was made off-limits to the public. And
	And for one reason or another, I think one government agency made it off-limits to protect another one for whatever they were doing.
	And the reason for this is what appeared to be forest rangers that were heavily armed with shoulder-strapped machine guns.
	Now, it made no sense at all, and I know they weren't looking for marijuana.
	Well, that's not the reason to cordon it off.
	That is the amount of security to accomplish it.
	What do you think they were cordoning off?
	Uh, I have no idea, but I know that they were not protecting, they were, uh, they were keeping it close under taps.
	Well, I mean, why in the world would they have shoulder strap machine guns in the first place?
	And, uh, this, like I said, an extreme.
	Northern California, up near the Oregon border.
	All right.
	Well, I've got a fax here also, John, about Mount Shasta.
	There are a lot of stories about Mount Shasta.
	Yes.
	And are you familiar with the term Lemurians?
	Yes, I am.
	Is this a group who supposedly lives in or under Mount Shasta?
	Well, from what I've been able to discover through my research and through the research of other people like Terry Hinkle and Tal, and like the other names I mentioned before, That appears that Mount Shasta is a shared facility, like a neutral base, like almost a Switzerland for many different races and beings.
	And that's why there's such a variety of different reports coming out of there of various different looking beings.
	As far as Lemuria and Mu and Atlantis, I do believe that, yes, I do believe that there were past continents and all the way Uh, past civilizations that were destroyed through their own cataclysms, and some of them did escape through the tunnel systems.
	The tunnel systems crisscrossed the world, not just here.
	All right, fascinating.
	Hold on, John.
	Remember to get a copy of this program, which I can understand you might want.
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	kingdom of nine, you're hearing Greenland with our film.
	you There is a lot of interest around what John Rhodes is discussing.
	The human-reptilian connection.
	Underground tunnels, bases, perhaps even civilizations.
	Back to it in a moment.
	John, a lot of people want to talk to you, so let me take a couple of calls very quickly.
	Great, okay.
	All the way out to Maui, Hawaii.
	You're on the air with John Rhodes.
	How are you doing?
	Hi, John.
	Thank you very much for the excellent information, and Art, thanks for a great program.
	I just wanted to mention that initially when I was listening to your show tonight, my guard was up and I started resisting the potential of having any connection with reptiles.
	But then I remembered an experience that my 10-year-old son had just a couple years ago, and I'll quote him on it.
	He, first of all, had an alien abduction experience.
	that described a great uh... what
	uh... entities with all the dark i did not blink etc but what it is important is
	the uh... entity showed joshua quote that alien that had dark
	and with many small bump on them like a reptile and the key point is
	the alien said they did not fight them with weapons to try to destroy them but
	they kept them at bay with their mind my question is
	have there been any other report that reptilians are hostile or are they more
	benevolent friendly toward human rights All right
	Well, I believe that there are those that are benevolent, and I think there are those that are evil.
	It is the common law of nature, and it cannot be disregarded, that there's the positive and negative polarity of absolutely everything.
	Even an atom has a positive and negative pull to it.
	When you talk about human nature as well as nature of a living life form, I think that
	we are able to fluctuate between the negative and the positive polarities of whether we
	want to be good or evil as a matter of free will.
	Just as there are some people who may live in foreign countries under a crazy dictator
	who support perhaps public executions of large masses of people, there are those beings like
	Mother Teresa.
	I think you bring up a very good point and that point is this great deceit that we come
	into that everybody is worried about.
	We have to look within ourselves and know within ourselves exactly who or what we are
	looking at.
	There's an old saying, know thee by thy deeds.
	Know somebody by what they're doing, not by what they're saying or what they look like.
	Well, it sounds like that man should personally communicate with you.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'd openly invite you to.
	I think that there's a lot to learn between the two of us.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
	Yes, sir.
	I've studied reptiles for many years, and one of the things about reptiles that's rather interesting is that the male's genitalia are located in most species, on both sides of the tail.
	There are two.
	And they have very unique shapes in such a manner that they will uniquely fit the female of that species and no other.
	There was a comment earlier about rape of abductees and it seems to me that this would be one interesting way to try to validate those.
	Well, that's an interesting point you're bringing up.
	I don't know the particulars of what you're talking about as regards to the sexual genitalia of the reptile as opposed to the human being.
	That's something that I haven't really looked into, so I couldn't give you an informative opinion on that.
	Well, if for no other reason than most reptiles have two, that ought to be an interesting cross-check in the fact that these things are very oddly shaped.
	Very, very oddly shaped.
	And probably quite popular.
	They would probably be very painful as a matter of fact.
	Well, I know that there are the reports of the forced rapes, and I'm not sure if there are different reptilians as far as different physical species of them, but then again, you know, there's human differences of our own species, like you have the pygmy, and then you have the tall people of Africa, and then you have the albinos, so I'm not I'm not willing to say at this time as to whether they are just of one type.
	The primitive brain positioned on top of the human spinal cord has long been referred to as the reptilian brain by academics.
	This information is not news.
	The primitive human brain, often referred to as the reptilian brain, performs the usual and ordinary biological functions which are common with the reptile and higher vertebrates, Breath, hunger, thirst, excretion, sex, and so forth.
	Would your guests not agree the great developmental divide between the reptile and the higher vertebrates is the affection of the parent for the young.
	The reptile and lower animal classes abandon the egg or young upon discharge.
	The reptile does not protect, feed, or care for its young.
	The higher vertebrates, beyond and above reptilian biological divide, Care for the young in varying degrees.
	I couldn't have said it better myself.
	And that fax, the person that sent that fax, and it's right on target.
	This possibly explains the large amount of abductions with people where they're being made to hold the children.
	Because if it's in fact the case that they're looking at our affection for children as they apparently are doing, You know, through abductions where these ladies are made to hold the babies.
	Yes, oh yes.
	And then they sit back and watch and watch and they're really amazed at it and they're just taking in everything they can.
	I've heard many stories like that.
	This would make total sense.
	It really would.
	It really would.
	And we've got to remember that the reptiles, primarily people think of them as giving birth to an egg.
	Well, there's the reptile like the adder, the snake that's the adder that actually gives birth to its young without the egg.
	You know, I think that, well, whoever sent that fax in, please get in touch with me.
	Well, the person sending the fax is named Don from Redmond, Washington, so be so notified, Don.
	He'd like to hear from you.
	On the wildcard line, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
	Yes, this is Michael in Wichita, Kansas.
	Hi, Michael.
	Hi, Michael.
	And I have a much-needed comment about blackouts in the coast, both coasts, and if that has anything to do with Project HARP that I've heard related to on your show before.
	Okay, I would answer that.
	I think not.
	I don't know that for sure, but I don't think the blackouts relate to HAARP.
	They occurred actually prior to HAARP's beginning its activity, so I will leave that one there.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Congratulations for a great show.
	This is New Orleans calling.
	New Orleans, yes sir.
	Yes sir.
	Art, several weeks ago you had a UFO guest on that talked about UFOs, and he brought up a particular incident where the United States military had surrounded a downed craft, went on board, discovered that the occupants were reptilian-type occupants on board, and women, apparently in a I don't have any knowledge of that particular incident.
	As far as reports of them having the remains of human beings on board, it's quite possible.
	your guest had uh... any knowledge of that incident or any similar incident
	why don't have any knowledge of that particular incident as far as reports of them having
	uh... the remains of human beings on board it's quite possible
	uh... i wouldn't say it say that they were the cause of that person's demise
	but they could have been all right i'm gonna ask you about two
	to i'm gonna give you two weird questions You can ignore them if you like.
	We mentioned Journey to the Center of the Earth earlier.
	If you had an opportunity, John, to travel very, very deeply into the Earth, if you found a porthole that would take you there, would you go?
	Yes.
	I would not go without deep prayer beforehand.
	But you would go?
	Yes.
	The next question...
	It involves an associated press story a number of years ago that has always stuck with me.
	Somewhere in Scandinavia, I can't recall where it was, they drilled what they thought to be the deepest hole ever drilled by man.
	And maybe you can update me.
	They lowered microphones, sound microphones, into this hole.
	And they heard sounds of human agony and screaming and torture.
	Thousands of voices.
	Or what appeared to be that.
	And they actually ran that on the Associated Press.
	Now, I remember the story and held it in my hand off the wire and talked about it.
	It was really weird.
	And then, you never heard anything more about it.
	How deeply have we ever gone into the Earth?
	Do you know?
	Well, I do know that the, according to Rand Corporation documents, and the documents from, like, uh, Darpa and such agencies, they've said that there have been studies to actually build underground bases as far as 8,000 feet underground.
	Now that's quite a distance.
	It sure is.
	It appears from what I've been able to see that as far as tectonic plate shift and earthquakes, most earthquakes happen on a fairly shallow level.
	And there is a theory out that the deeper you go, it is safer for you to be.
	And if anything did shift over you with the current technology, with like the nuclear boring tunnel boring machines that they have, that you could just drill your way out.
	As far as the screams and everything... Had you ever heard that report?
	Yeah, I'd heard the report.
	I mean, did they drill through the ceiling of hell?
	Well, that's the obvious implication.
	Implication, right.
	And it could be maybe that everybody was imagining that that's what they were going to do.
	Hmm.
	So, and that's just what they heard.
	Maybe it was a collective, you know, hypnosis of some sort.
	Maybe it was.
	The only thing about it was they claimed they had it on audio tape.
	Well, I haven't heard it.
	And I would love to.
	Yeah, I would too.
	John, hold on.
	We'll be right back to you.
	John, this has been so interesting.
	There's been so much response that A, we will have you back on Dreamland again, and B, I might think about having you on one Friday night, Saturday morning, if you have the time on the regular syndicated program.
	That's the marathon program you have?
	You call it the marathon program?
	It's great!
	Five hours a night, that's right.
	Yeah, it's great.
	It is great.
	It's a lot of fun, and if you ever get a... Do you ever stay up late?
	Well, I try not to, but I tend to be up at many times, two, three in the morning at my computer doing my research and writing.
	I understand.
	I do enjoy your show.
	Okay, well then maybe one night we'll plan ahead and on a Friday night, Saturday morning, you can go get a nap on Friday and we'll do a show.
	I think that could be possible.
	It is fascinating, John, because of the... I think there's a natural human curiosity about what is below us.
	We almost know more about what is above us Ah, at this point, then what is below us, don't we?
	Yes, and it's been very difficult for researchers such as Tal and Cherry Hinkle and Bill Hamilton and the others to be able to put this word out about we have to start looking underneath our feet.
	I think the majority of the reason why it's been so hard to have other researchers in the field take it seriously, as seriously as it should be taken, is number one, With the advent of video cameras, it's easy for us to start getting hooked on looking above our heads because it's just right there for us at times.
	Sure.
	And when it's underground, we really don't have anywhere to go with that, other than to look at the logic and listen to the information that's being provided.
	Many of these installations and natural cavern systems are very inaccessible.
	The one, for example, in the Grand Canyon that I discovered is extremely dangerous to try and get to.
	And I wouldn't suggest that anybody, you know, should they find something like that, just go alone.
	Don't try this.
	Absolutely not.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with John Rhodes.
	Hi.
	Yes, I'm calling from St.
	Louis.
	St.
	Louis.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, I have a friend of mine, I read a book once about underground caverns and stuff, and this one gal I was talking to here at work, he grew up in an area, I believe it's Creve Coeur, but there's a lot of caves out in that area, and he said that Twice, he's seen some odd-looking creatures out there, around these particular caves, and he's offered many times to take me out there to the area where it was at.
	But he says he knows exactly where they were coming from.
	And he said the one night that he got the best look at them, he said that he had pulled off the side of the road in his car, you know, because he was changing a flat tire.
	Right.
	And he said there were these brake lights.
	He's seen these two creatures, he said they were about Four foot tall or something like that.
	He said they ran across one side of the road.
	He said they were like in this farmer's field.
	And he said they ran in like a kind of hobbling fashion.
	And he said they jumped, you know, across the road over to these weeds on the other side toward the caves.
	And he said, you know, with the brake lights he could see them, you know.
	And he said that one of them stuck his head up through the weeds, you know, looking at him.
	And he said it was only like 40 feet away.
	And he said it had a large head and it had large black eyes.
	He said he jumped up and took off running, you know, and left the car there, you know.
	I think I would, too.
	Have the tow truck driver go get it.
	That's right, that's right.
	But he's offered many times to take me, you know, to the area where he said they're at.
	And also, I know another guy.
	Sounds like you have not yet taken him up on that.
	No, I didn't.
	All right, well, I don't blame you, sir.
	We don't have much time.
	We've got to run.
	John, given an opportunity, To actually be abducted by some of the creatures that you suspect exist, or not be abducted, would you be curious enough to say, okay, take me, I'm out of here?
	Or would you be more tempted to run like hell?
	I think it's one thing talking about an alien species, it's another thing looking at one eye to eye.
	You betcha.
	I mean, a lot of us don't understand that.
	We can give lip service to, oh yeah, we're ready, you're ready, I'm ready, you know, but When one's sitting there close enough for you to feel its breath upon your forehead, because of its size, and its muscular structure is so much more, I mean, much more profound than you could ever imagine.
	You feel so small and out of control that the first thing that goes is your knees.
	So, no, I wouldn't say that I'd be open for just anybody.
	I still feel that that's a violation.
	However, I believe that if we call upon our divine being within us during that time, of an abduction.
	We can actually command, in the name of that power within us, for it to stop.
	I would not say that we're all victims.
	I think that many people, starting at childhood, give permission initially to be abducted because they have no fear and they have this great wonderment, as children do.
	Look, we're out of time.
	There's never enough time.
	Give out your address and phone number one more time.
	Okay, if you'd like to receive a package of information concerning this, send $10, money, order, or check.
	And if you'd like to receive the self-hypnosis cassette for abductees, the same amount, please add $2 additional for shipping and handling to John Rhodes, that's R-H-O-D-E-S, post office box 50381, Henderson, Nevada, 89016-0381.
	And if you need that address again, just call the voicemail.
	That's area code 702, I'd like to take this opportunity to really thank you very much for all the great work that you've been doing through all the years.
	You know, you really have stepped out on a limb when you first started coming out with this information, Art, and you've actually created waves that have felt repercussions not only locally Internationally and internationally, but I'm sure dimensionally as well.
	John, you will be remembered.
	Thank you.
	I live on limbs.
	John Rhodes, we'll have you back.
	Thanks for being here.
	Thank you very much, Art.
	Take care.
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	This has been Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
	Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not that.
	Yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.

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