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March 26, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Predictions and Prophecy - Dr. Louis Turi

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	My brother says, there are people working here.
	He goes, Louis, it's November.
	Grapes have been picked up.
	It's nobody.
	There's nothing there.
	But I said, Joe, I'm seeing some lights over there that I didn't see never before.
	He says, don't worry about it.
	See, my brother don't believe in God, devil, UFOs.
	He don't believe in anything.
	And I'm so happy, so happy that it happened with him.
	That was incredible.
	So anyway, we were driving and those lights will keep coming to the point where it happened Once in a million, when you happen to have that thing on top of your car.
	Keep in mind, I did not know what it was.
	The only thing I could see was bright lights all over.
	The entire area was light up.
	So, the car died.
	First of all.
	My brother and I, we were both nose against the windshield looking up at this incredible light coming down.
	What is this?
	And I've seen the side of my brother, which I've never seen before, though.
	He was a bit scared.
	You know, he wanted to be the tough guy, you know, discotheque boss and everything else.
	Sure, sure.
	So anyway, I managed to get away from his grip, because he didn't want me to get out of the car.
	I managed to go out, and my gosh!
	Incredible!
	I couldn't see again, nothing, just those lights coming down.
	I said, what is this?
	It was pretty hot.
	And then for some magical reason, These things, or these people, these intelligents obviously knew that they were hurting my eyes, because it was pretty hot and very bright indeed.
	They turned the lights under it off, and that very precise time, It didn't take me too long to see the counter of the Flying Saucer.
	I saw that red shade around it, and I was running around the car, banging the front of the car, screaming, asking my brother to get out.
	You know, I says, look Joe, look!
	A Flying Saucer!
	I was face off with the ultimate reality of ETs and UFOs.
	At least I had the spaceship less than 30 feet above my head.
	Wow.
	It was making no noise.
	There was no air movement.
	Nothing.
	I was just standing there screaming.
	And then under it, you had different light, different colors.
	Huge, huge light.
	That flying saucer stayed there for at least two minutes, if not more.
	Doctor, how big was it?
	You know, I couldn't give you a size.
	The only thing I know is pretty big.
	I'd say about 50 cm.
	I don't know how to say that in English, but it's pretty big.
	You know, listening to you, perhaps with your French accent, it reminds me so of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	And do you remember the craft in Close Encounters?
	It was very much as you have described, with the lights.
	It was basically, I'd say, the road was about, at that specific place, the road was about 30 feet long, and the flying saucer, both sides of the road, could have gone easy 40 or 50 feet each side of the road.
	It was huge!
	Yes, that's huge, alright.
	Then, they turned the lights on again, my brother's taking the car, didn't come out, they turned the lights on again, and as they came, they took off.
	The only thing again that was different is when we arrived at the discotheque, when we usually arrive at the discotheque, we have a few groupies here, you know, we have the staff there, cleaning, the barman, you know, getting everything organized, about to start.
	They were full life.
	The discotheque was full.
	The discotheque was packed.
	And my brother had the long face.
	It was incredible.
	Well, what had he said to you after the incident?
	I'm sure that even in the car, he had been looking out at least.
	Wrong, wrong, wrong.
	You know what he says?
	What?
	He says, this didn't happen.
	Don't say nothing to nobody.
	And the next day, my mother called me asking me if my brother was alright.
	So officially, he talked to my mother the next day.
	It's incredible.
	And now, trust me, it's been pretty silent for a few years, but now finally the rest of the family believes me.
	Will he talk about it now?
	I would think so, yes.
	He wouldn't be as scared of us.
	He grew up.
	I mean, he grew, you know.
	It's such an incredible experience.
	This is a private experience.
	No matter how much you can say, how much you want to express the truth to people, it's still a very personal experience and sometimes it drives me mad.
	I mean, how?
	How?
	This is solid.
	This is not a light.
	This is not a walking.
	This is not a spirit.
	This is a flying saucer 30 feet above my head.
	Doctor, stand by.
	We'll be right back to you.
	My guest is Dr. Louis Turi.
	And, um, I certainly understand what he means about the personalization of the experience.
	The one craft that I saw I shall never, ever forget.
	And, um, while I can tell the story in some detail and will again one of these days, I can only tell you that until you have seen it yourself, until you have seen something like that yourself, you can never understand how difficult it is to talk about it, to relate the emotion of the experience.
	But he did a pretty good job, didn't he?
	We'll be right back.
	Two minutes here before the top of the hour.
	Dr. Turi, what psychic powers do you have?
	I actually signed certified mail, uh, to the Seismology Institute and giving exact date for earthquakes, tornadoes and so forth.
	And, uh, as a matter of fact, the, uh, the earthquake that just happened, I signed you, uh, Earth Tribulation Report, and you have this date today.
	I'm expecting another one tomorrow, by the way.
	But later on, with your permission, I'd like to, uh, ask your listeners to make some notes, because I'm gonna give four dates for the next three months.
	The next three months, April, May, and June, I'm going to give full dates for all the people to realize the value of what these ETs' contacts have done to my psyche.
	How do you perceive Uh, these predictions.
	How do you see these predictions?
	How do they come to you?
	Okay, first of all, when I punch my computers, um, uh, I'm looking at the landmine of the planet.
	Uh, it's the same energy that NASA used to send the shuttle.
	But instead of using the rational mind, um, I can't, I can't listen to them talk to each other.
	And they are telling me when a specific day, there'll be a very negative energy coming down from the universe.
	This would translate into an earthquake.
	Uh, or anything else for that matter.
	I'd like to mention to you though, uh, on the 5th of January, I was on Channel 10 in Phoenix, I was on Channel 3 in Tucson, and I was on, I cannot say the name of this radio station, but I send you the tapes.
	Uh, and I gave the exact date of, uh, January 16th, and I asked everybody, please make notes of January 16th.
	So it's unagreeable.
	Of course, they called me back to be on the show again.
	And of course, also, the Seismology Institute had those dates.
	What was the date of January 16th?
	What happened?
	That happened, the Kobe, Japan earthquake.
	The big earthquake.
	Yes.
	All right.
	If you would please hold on, Dr. Turi, we'll be right back to you.
	So get a pencil, get some paper.
	And, uh, we'll check out the dates and hold Dr. Turi to it.
	You're listening to Dreamland from the CBC Radio Network.
	This hour of Art Bell was recorded for rebroadcast at this time.
	At this time, please do not call.
	From the Kingdom of Nigh, we continue with your calls on Greenland with Art Bell.
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	Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am.
	My guest is Dr. Lewis Turi.
	He is an astrologer.
	He is a scientist.
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	Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am. My guest is Dr. Lewis Turi.
	He is an astrologer.
	He is a scientist. He is a man who makes predictions, and we're about to get to them.
	So, hopefully you've got a piece of paper and a pencil handy.
	I would like to give you confirmation of something I said in the first hour regarding the earthquake in or near Quito, Ecuador, which in fact collapsed, we understand, a stadium there.
	It was, we now know, a magnitude 5.3 Near the coast of Ecuador and that's confirmed by the USGS I've got got a fax here and I want to thank the people that sent it in it was 5.3 for those of you keeping track of these scallion predictions near Quito in a moment the Turi predictions right now a word about something that
	I don't know how to tell you.
	Once you've had it, you won't be able to live without it.
	Troy, doctor?
	Hi, I'm here.
	Hi.
	All right.
	I know that you have some predictions for us, and I would ask you to go nice and slow so we can get them, and tell us what it is you think is coming.
	Okay.
	First of all, I'd like to mention to you that we have thousands of people that receive our Earth Tribulation Report.
	Yes, sir.
	And those guys tonight are watching the date of the earthquake that I gave about three weeks ago, including the March 20th.
	We had an earthquake in Tokyo.
	I gave the exact date.
	So giving earthquake prediction is great, but when you hit it on the date, this is where it really becomes interesting as far as predictive astrology is concerned.
	So I'm going to ask again your people, your listeners, to make notes of those dates and please keep an eye because on those dates, The energy that comes down to us will be pretty nasty and will transform either into an earthquake, disturbing weather, and could all the way hurt us for the next three months.
	But I'm going to give you the maximum energy coming down.
	And I want you to remember, if I give you, for example, April 2nd, the day before or the day after, the energy will be waning.
	But the 2nd is the day.
	Like tonight, the earthquake we had, the newsletter that I signed all over the place here, has the day tonight.
	So, April... Wait a minute, wait a minute.
	You're telling us that you hit the earthquake that was just reported.
	Yes, you have a copy.
	I sent it to you.
	You have a copy.
	I sent it to your wife.
	I do, and I'll check it here.
	Yes, it's sent to the Earth Tribulation Report by New World Medium Institute.
	So you have those dates.
	It was sent to you about two weeks ago.
	Yes.
	Anyway, April 2nd is the first date.
	April 16th...
	April 23rd, April 28th.
	That's for April.
	The 2nd, the 16th, the 23rd and the 28th.
	That's the maximum energy that we transform into a disaster.
	And they are pretty nasty what's coming up because there is some very serious negative energy ahead of us.
	And I want to prepare people to avoid flying because there'll be also a plane crash and so forth.
	There'll be a plane crash.
	Also, yes.
	On the same dates?
	Yes, including oil spill.
	It's all ahead.
	I see it very clearly.
	That's why I'm not afraid to put my signature on my prediction.
	You're going to realize the value of my work.
	As I said, thousands of people here in California and in Arizona I've seen me on two TV and on the radio at the same time giving the exact date of the Kobe Japan earthquake and the exact date for the second aftershock, including, I can't even remember, but it's all certified.
	Whoever does not believe me, I have the TV shows, I have the audio tape, my prediction of the Hurricane Andrew was certified sent to George Bush, the Russian coup, name it, I can't even remember.
	Even the O.J.
	Simpson.
	Let me just...
	I'll show you, when I was in San Diego and I was actually predicting your existence.
	Listen to this, just a second.
	Alright.
	Oh, we're going to get some audio.
	It's Mike Berger from San Diego, the radio station in San Diego calling, returning your phone call.
	And yes, we remember your prediction about a major catastrophe with a sports, a major sports figure.
	And that works out.
	Wow.
	Unbelievable.
	By the way, you wanted O.J.
	Simpson's birthday?
	Here it is.
	July 9th, 1947.
	Well, I got tons of this from my mailbox, from my telephone, from the newspaper write-up.
	So I'm going to show you and prove to you the value of what it means to be a good astrologer.
	Not somebody which is mainly financially oriented, but somebody concerned and wanted to help people save their life with nature-devastating force.
	God has given me the gift, and I want to prove it to the people who are helping me.
	Alright, let me ask you, how did you make the prediction about OJ Simpson?
	I also said, sad enough, if this person heard the show, they'd probably call you or call me back.
	Now, wait a minute.
	I understand that from what I just heard there, you made a prediction regarding a disaster about a major sports figure, right?
	Yes, going through some dramatic time of his life and going through some...
	Yes, what I'm asking is, how did that come to you?
	Oh gosh, I have a natural gift in entering the...
	to entering a domain that a lot of people which are naturally made by the stars to rush or can enter.
	I understand the archipelago of consciousness, I understand the manifestation of God through the stars,
	I understand the design of the Creator and it comes down to me sometimes through feelings, sometimes through...
	I can't explain, you know, it's like asking...
	I guess I want to ask about the source.
	People will call and they will ask, Doctor, the source of your power.
	Is it good?
	Is it evil?
	Is it neutral?
	Is it God?
	Is it the devil?
	of these days for the next three months. I mean, how can I go more into the future than
	three months ahead of us? I guess I want to ask about the source. People
	will call and they will ask, Doctor, the source of your power, is it good? Is it evil? Is
	it neutral? Is it God? Is it the devil? How is this coming to you?
	It's coming to me because my relationship with God and the universe, he has made people
	disabilities in...
	Creating music, people that have ability in architectural design, in teaching.
	My gift is to be able to see past the physical manifestation.
	And you are now asking me how the sun can cross the window without breaking it, and how we can feel the warmth behind this window.
	This is past the rational thought art.
	It's very deep.
	That's why I'm a doctor of metaphysics.
	I've studied, and I combine this with my other gift.
	Doctor, I don't have, I cannot make predictions, I don't do them, but I have said lately to my audience that the psychic hairs on the back of my neck are standing straight up.
	It feels like a very strange time is coming, is close.
	Well, what's happening here, what's happening here, last 2,000 years the world was controlled by Neptune.
	Neptune is a planet which was deception, illusion, it was the dogma, it was any form of religious fanaticism, it was drugs and alcohol.
	Neptune is a very gloomy, doomy planet and it has affected the world for the last 2,000 years.
	You've probably heard of the New Age of Aquarius.
	We are now entering a higher level.
	The planet which is in charge of this world is much more scientific oriented.
	It rules anything to do with high tech, the future, the incredible and the high science of astrology.
	This planet in charge of the next 2,000 years, which rules the sign of Aquarius, is called Uranus, the planet of the future.
	And it rules high tech.
	computers and also was japan before japan is so good in producing computers
	and this planet is also the sudden release of energy and it was earthquakes that's why japan has a lot of
	earthquakes and more volcano than anywhere else in the world all right
	doctor i had gordon michael scalion on the program i'm sure you know his work i
	do he uh made some startling and terrible predictions for california
	Right.
	I completely disagree with you.
	I mean, with him.
	I don't know.
	Who wants to follow that?
	Well, you'd be disagreeing with him, not me.
	Well, okay, okay.
	But, uh, he talked about a, uh, soon, a nine-point earthquake for the Palm Springs, California area.
	Okay.
	Now, as far as earthquakes are concerned, the dates I'm giving you, you're gonna explain earthquakes.
	Now, having an earthquake in California is like having an accident in Phoenix, Arizona City.
	You're talking about people that are sitting on a fault.
	Of course.
	So if you want to use common sense, and I'm sure you have plenty of that because I have your stars in front of me, I know you're critical and rational and down to earth.
	If not, you wouldn't be where you are.
	Okay?
	What I'm trying to tell you here, when you're living on a fault, you can expect to be jumping up and down.
	Now, if you don't want any It's a good sign that she's alive.
	It's a good sign.
	either you leave the area or you go on the moon.
	The moon is a dead planet.
	So the earth moving and shaking now and then, it's a good sign that she's alive.
	It's a good sign.
	But trust me, the year 2000 will be coming by and there will be still people fishing
	on the coast of California.
	So I'm telling you that.
	I don't know how you react to this.
	No, I'm glad.
	I'm glad.
	I want the Californians to hear this.
	The news has not been good for them, so I'm glad to give them some good news.
	You have to understand, also, with the constant progress of technology and its financial potential enriching the entire world, you know, for example, CNN, more and more sources of broadcasting corporation are born every day.
	Now, to attract more viewers and financial support, obviously, they desperately need rating.
	And you understand that?
	I do.
	All sorts of negativity, okay?
	These people have, you know, this point where we're taking negative news and programs, okay?
	And then all these people in California are forced to swallow that dirt, you know?
	And it's bad.
	Alright, fine.
	Let's pin you down a little bit.
	April 2nd, 16th, 23rd, 28th.
	What do you expect on those dates?
	You don't pin it down.
	It could be an earthquake, could be a bad storm, or what?
	I could in great detail find out exactly what would come down.
	But I want people to understand.
	What happens sometimes with those stars is like a bunch of people together, okay?
	You have 12 signs of the zodiac.
	That's why obviously you have 12 months and 12 hours and 12 apostles and 12 scenes and 12 juries.
	So 12 is a pretty old...
	There was a story about three weeks or a month ago from some scientists, I believe in Europe, who said, oh, gee, we were wrong.
	There are not 12 signs of the Zodiac and the Zodiac dates are wrong.
	There are 13.
	Alright, this is again, you know, something that people are there trying to sell their books and their knowledge and so forth.
	The point is, when you look at your horoscope, 12 sign of the zodiac, and you realize you have 12 months, you don't have 13 months.
	You have 12 sign of the zodiac, 12 months and 12 hours.
	Your watch has the 12 energy, and this is the 12 energy that comes down the universe.
	Now, scientists say what they want to say.
	Remember, astrology is an art.
	First, and you don't deal with the art with numbers and irrational thought.
	You use intuition and you use metaphysical knowledge.
	Anything else belongs to astronomy, which is a more practical approach to the stars, which again, they will tell you how far a planet is, what's the density, what's the distance of the Earth.
	However, when an astronomer is looking at the stars, he does not know what the constellation of Sagittarius on the spiritual level means.
	Yes.
	Okay?
	So I believe that man has lost his cosmic consciousness since he began to think like a scientist and put aside the deep values of God and his message through the stars.
	Alright.
	Again, I want to understand how serious these dates are, how much energy there is.
	Okay.
	We have been, since the beginning of time, including California, suffering earthquakes.
	Okay?
	Okay.
	So those energy coming down will be no more and no less.
	Okay, we had that terrible earthquake in Japan, of course.
	But you have to remember also that we kept record of these earthquakes for less than a hundred years.
	Millions of years have elapsed before then, and how many earthquakes haven't been reported?
	So, the energy will not be worse than what it is.
	It has always been from 3.5 to 8.2 maximum.
	It's not going to go higher than that.
	And those dates I'm giving you have the potential of being from a 4.5 to obviously a 6.5.
	Earthquake.
	4.5 to 6.5.
	That's correct.
	All right.
	Now, I'm giving you the energy, and the energy will come down to Earth and will manifest into either bad weather, earthquakes, a tornado.
	This is the same energy.
	It's the magnetic field which is coming down, which combined with all the forces, including the weather, the geographical location of some states and so forth, do produce nature actions.
	Okay?
	And some of this energy is strong enough to reach to the bottom or the heart of the Earth and affect the fault.
	Thus, they are producing earthquakes.
	But the energy is the same.
	Alright, Doctor.
	Hang loose one second.
	We'll be right back to you.
	Dr. Louis Turi is my guest.
	He'll be right back.
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	Dr. Turi?
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	all right so we have these dates now Dates we need to watch.
	April 2nd, 16th, 23rd, and 28th.
	And we have May and June to do too.
	Oh, May and June to do as well.
	Alright, why don't you go ahead and give us May and June now.
	Okay.
	Right now?
	Yes.
	Okay, so May 7th, 13th, 19th, 25th, and June 1st, 10th, 22nd, and 29th.
	June 18, 25th and June 1st, 10, 22nd and 29th.
	Uh, 1st, 10th?
	1st, 10, 22nd and 29th.
	22nd and 29th.
	I want to show you what the prediction is all about.
	You'll see.
	And how serious in May and June is... There'll be much worse in May.
	At the end of May and the beginning of June, there'll be much worse.
	That's where the maximum energy will be hitting us.
	Absolutely.
	There will be earthquakes on the date I give you that's guaranteed.
	Those earthquakes could go all the way up from, as I said, 4.5 to 6.5.
	That's serious.
	Right.
	what magnitude in may lab
	both both of quick to go all the way up from other kids four point five to six point five
	but they're used all okay well that's uh... alright very good yes it indeed
	on the high-end it it is your rights
	all right uh... doctor briefly uh... before the bottom of the hour of work
	in starting calls at the bottom of the hour Okay, shall I finish my UFO experience?
	Would you please?
	Okay, so you're going to give those dates out when?
	Should I give them out again to the audience?
	Well, if you would like, we've given them out already, but go ahead and give them out again.
	Okay, yes, because they're probably going to be listening, and then we can go right back to my UFO experience again and show you how I came... Well, we are on the air now.
	Oh, are we?
	Yes!
	Alright!
	That's an interesting situation here.
	Okay, that should show you my honesty.
	Okay, so let's review those dates that I mentioned.
	You know, as I said, when people out there give you dates for earthquakes, you know, you can do that.
	You say, okay, it's going to be an earthquake next month in California.
	You ain't going to get wrong.
	But you want to give the date.
	That's a different story.
	That's where people should start to trust in your predictions and in your work.
	All right, well, fine.
	We've got it.
	April 2nd, 16th, 23rd, and 28th.
	Okay.
	May 7th, 13th, 19th, 25th.
	Uh-huh.
	And June the 1st, the 10th, 22nd, and 29th.
	Got it.
	Okay?
	May 7th, 13th, 19th, 25th.
	And June the 1st, the 10th, 22nd, and 29th.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Now, let me see.
	Yeah, to go back to my UFO experience, it's kind of important to mention that after my third experience, I was so disturbed that I thought that, you know, there is more in life just to cut, record and singing.
	You know, after this experience, I was literally out of it.
	So I sold everything I earned.
	I worked harder and I, you know, I bought myself a plane ticket and I ended up in the United States.
	I arrived here, no job, no green card, and I arrived here, of course, no place to stay.
	This is how I started.
	So from there I felt, I couldn't resist, you know, that I felt something in me was pushing me to do that.
	So I start a little job and I make my way up and then I joined the Universal Life Church
	in Sacramento where I graduate and I go to my doctorate in metaphysics and I actually
	painted my first apartment but I did, I painted and overloaded with symbols of astrology,
	UFOs, every single wall in my door were painted with mystical symbols and UFOs.
	I could not help myself to do that.
	Then this is where I realized that I had something in prediction because I was thinking, okay,
	this is going to happen and this is going to happen and it did happen.
	So I made the news on the Los Angeles Times in predicting a bunch of things, also in different
	newspapers in different cities and then the city of Collinsburg in California, the city
	of Oceanside in San Diego, the city board of directors were impressed with my work and
	I am the first astrologer that was placed by the city to make the horoscope of their
	Of the whole city?
	In the United States.
	When you think of your country here being built by Puritans, which means Well, many people do here as well.
	Gee, too bad you didn't do a chart on Orange County.
	Doctors, stand by.
	We're breaking here at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back to you and shortly to phone calls.
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	When it comes to UFOs, I would like to warn you of just one thing.
	We are not going to do individual psychic predictions.
	So what we would like you to do is to keep your questions general.
	Whether you're going to ask about predictions of earthquake, flood, uh... political of predictions i understand he'll do those
	as well we're going to hold it to a very uh... sort of general
	things so it's my view that when we do individual uh... astrological predictions
	it pleases one person and bores just about everybody else so we're not going
	to do that we are not going to do that and uh... also
	i want to thank vernon listening to wkx y in sarasota florida also sending me the uh... u s g s information indicating
	there was just a five point three earthquake near the ecuador coast
	Now, just briefly, before we begin taking telephone calls, Dr. Turi, I would like to ask you about something we discuss frequently on this program, and it seems to me you'd be qualified to answer it.
	It is about the afterlife, doctor.
	When we die, What happens to us?
	Well, put it this way.
	Reincarnation is proven to us every single day.
	When you look at a worm in the water, which is living in its own world, and will metamorphose and transform into a butterfly flying straight into the sun, that tells you that there is afterlife.
	Right there, right on this critical manifestation, you can appreciate and understand that there is an afterlife.
	What's happening out there, you'll become a part of God, so to speak.
	You do not need the physical manifestation, so you create your own reality with your own thought power.
	You are into the supraconscious in time and space, where matter does not mean anything anymore.
	You actually are the creator of your own reality.
	That's interesting.
	We are the creators of our own reality.
	Absolutely.
	Do we retain what we know as a consciousness?
	Absolutely.
	You do, and you improve it as you gain more.
	The fourth dimension.
	as you pass into the fourth dimension.
	The fourth dimension.
	Is it possible, doctor, to contact somebody who has passed on?
	Yes, it is possible, but if you happen to be born with a dragon's tail in Pisces, Scorpio Cancer, you are strongly advised not to do so because you carry with you a lot of residual witchcraft which could get your soul being possessed.
	So it is not a good idea unless you have the tools and natural protection as God has designed for your stars.
	That's why I recommend everybody to be very careful with sidekicks.
	So in other words, you could contact something that you would not want to contact?
	That's correct.
	You could get possessed.
	sensitive area that we call the subconscious.
	And there they could manipulate your own creativity, the own force that creates man, so to speak.
	So in other words, you could contact something that you would not want to contact.
	That's correct.
	You could get possessed.
	Before we go further, I'd like to mention to you, Art, that I'm going to be able to
	prove to you also the value of my prediction right now.
	I send you my book, which is published worldwide.
	It's called Star Guide.
	It has the head of most of them, isn't it?
	Yes, sir.
	I have it here.
	I want you to open to page 46 and look at March 25th, like tonight, 26.
	And you will see that the earthquake is in my prediction tonight.
	So when you have a chance, just open up there.
	Yes, I have it here, as a matter of fact, and I will read over it as we take some calls.
	You're right, March 25th was indeed a date.
	1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 9, 9 lines from the bottom.
	Uranus, let me, if you want me, I can read it for you.
	Keep in mind that Uranus also rules earthquakes and volcanoes.
	I'll read it, no, I'll read it.
	Keep in mind that Uranus also rules earthquakes and volcanoes.
	Absolutely.
	Uh-huh.
	All right.
	And indeed, he does.
	He had a March 25th prediction.
	I also have the copy, Japan, real quick.
	I'd like to mention to you that my publisher has already my 1996 prediction gone.
	So this was written a year and a half ago.
	Wow.
	This is solid.
	This is real.
	I am not motivated by financial reward.
	I'm concerned.
	I am actually gifted.
	I want to pass it on to people who want to trust me.
	And I thank you so much to give me the opportunity to save the integrity of Divine Astrology.
	Dr. Turi, it's people just like you who we're looking for for this program, so you're perfect.
	Thank you.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Lewis Turi.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes sir, you're on the air.
	Where are you calling from?
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Can you hear us?
	I don't think he can.
	I don't think he can hear us.
	Uh-oh.
	Well, let me try another one here.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Louis Turi.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	I'm calling from Phoenix, Arizona.
	Yes, sir.
	You're next door.
	You're my neighbor, huh?
	What can I do for you, my friend?
	I'm from South Phoenix, and I'm a real... I sense, and I know what you mean, because I've been saying for a long time that there's been an earthquake in Arizona, because it needs it for the corruption zone negligence as far as personal and prejudiced
	well i i i i i i'm complain to be very honest very truthful just like you are
	all right thank you will go right what he's saying here doctor jerry
	is that um...
	is arizona is somehow corrupt or arizona deserves an earthquake
	is that the reason that earthquakes happened
	No, no, absolutely not.
	The ultimate design of God's manifestation is through the stars.
	Those stars out there are more than rocks hanging for the sake of beauty.
	There is a divine message, there is a divine power within each of the stars.
	It is not punishment?
	No, there is no such thing as punishments or the apocalypse like we used to believe in France in the 16th century.
	Well, everybody thought that God was punishing everybody.
	Yes.
	No, this doesn't work at all.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Hello.
	Hi, this is Moki.
	I live in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
	Yes, sir.
	This is L.I.P.
	Yes, sir.
	My question was, I wondered if he thought the government knew about aliens or if aliens controlled the government.
	Oh, it is a good question.
	Dr. Turi, does our government know?
	Absolutely.
	They are firmly aware of the presence of UFOs and ETs, and Roosevelt's dilemma is obviously one of the most obvious stories that happened out there in Mexico.
	I'm firmly concerned with people in high position in the government who do not let us know about the reality of UFOs.
	But I do understand why, though.
	All right.
	On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Hi.
	Doctor, how are you doing?
	Turn your radio off, sir.
	And if you would, please tell us where you're calling from.
	This is Larry from Redding, California, KQMS.
	Yes, sir.
	And a couple of things.
	Very, very strong listener of yours.
	And we'd like to have an answer to a couple of questions if we might.
	One is, what do you predict to have happen in the Mount Shasta area since Reading is about 60 miles south of Mount Shasta in Northern California?
	And also, we'd like to know if possibly you could do a, with the predictions that the doctor or whoever you have as a guest, Uh, do a, uh, a deadline prediction check on it to see if, uh, something did happen that particular day.
	Oh, well, we just gave dates, sir.
	Yeah, we gave dates, but however, however, providing you could give me the location, I could find the longitude and latitude.
	I work specifically for this area.
	However, it doesn't matter.
	The Universal Mind will take care of every single area.
	You guys are sitting on a boat.
	You're bound to jump, as simple as that.
	Now, the energy that's coming down, uh, we're giving to you is the date, from April to June, and you check it out, because you're going to jump.
	Okay.
	On those dates.
	However, don't think, again, I repeat myself, California's gonna go under the ocean.
	That's not true.
	Alright, do you have anything specifically for Mount Shasta?
	As far as Mount Shasta is concerned, again, this is where I need to have the longitude and latitude of that specific location.
	Now, that could be more precise.
	Remember, I am also a scientist, and I need to find out the location of all these planets and base it on the longitude and latitude to be more precise in the prediction.
	All right.
	I understand.
	You're on the air with Dr. Turek from Pennsylvania.
	Pennsylvania, all right.
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure if I heard all of it.
	Our reception isn't great.
	I'm interested, without getting too personal, Um, if he can elaborate, I think he said, I got the date, no, no planes, he said, take no planes.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, what's happening here, the energy is strong enough sometimes to disturb high-tech, our electronic equipment, and, uh, the, uh, FAA is looking for responsible, it has nothing to do with this.
	The energy gets so nasty, on the date I gave, that, uh, it literally screw up navigational system, and that's why sometimes you have planes crashing.
	Yeah.
	So on those dates I gave, It would be a good idea for you, obviously, not to fly, if you can avoid it.
	Is this all over the planet, or just in the states, or do you have an idea?
	Well, the stars do not shine only for you, for me, or for a specific city.
	It's all over.
	The Universal Mind and the Sun shine for everybody, so this energy is concentrated on the date I gave you, and will manifest itself, I guarantee you that.
	That's why I'm not afraid to give those dates.
	So, the weather is going to go crazy.
	Communication, transportation will be screwed up.
	You're going to have, obviously, problems with transportation, as I said.
	Weather could turn out.
	Earthquakes.
	These are the dates.
	I don't care how the energy will manifest itself, as long as you know when.
	All right.
	That's very interesting.
	So, thank you, ma'am.
	These are dates of large amounts of negative energy.
	That's correct.
	So it would apply to all kinds of things.
	Right.
	My star guide prediction book that I have would give you all these dates in great detail.
	However, there's a lot of people out there who are not aware.
	There is rules.
	You have the physical world and you have the spiritual world.
	Being a doctor of metaphysics, I understand the other side of the coin.
	If you have rules on the physical manifestation, you are going to stop at a red light, you are going to stop at a stop sign, you do respect the physical rules, you are going to go from A to Z with no problem.
	But if you do not understand that you have another side of this coin, and you don't respect the rules of the spirit, which are given down to Earth from God's structure through the stars, then you're going to pay the heavy price of ignorance.
	That's why my book is all over the place trying to help people to respect the spiritual rules that God has imparted to every one of us.
	When slaved, I would say, every one of us to understand, use, and respect.
	All right, Doctor.
	On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Where are you calling from?
	I'm calling from Thousand Oaks, Art, and I just heard you verify a prediction that the doctor had made about an earthquake.
	That is correct.
	On the 25th.
	I'm just curious as to why is it you did not give any information on magnitude and location?
	All right, yes.
	Mr. Scallion does that, and you do not do that, do you, Doctor?
	I don't.
	It's always easier to give the date or the day that it happened than to give the location.
	Now, when you say there's going to be an earthquake in California, the fault is very long.
	So, obviously, it's going to be out there or whenever the fault is running.
	What you have to do, which is more difficult, I believe, is giving the exact day when it happened.
	Well, what information did you give on the Ecuador quake, as far as the prediction?
	Well, like all the other quakes, including the one in Japan, including all the earthquakes so far that happened, I have the exact date of every one of them, sir.
	I can't find you the proof of all this.
	This Ecuador quake though, did you say it would happen in Ecuador?
	The coordinates that it happened?
	What I said, Uranus, the planet of sudden release of energy, rules earthquakes is in charge of this date, of today.
	And it's on my book, it's printed, and it was printed a year and a half ago.
	Alright, so... Well, we've still left out the coordinates, and it kind of doesn't really validate anything if you leave that out.
	Well, if I tell you that you're going to get hurt on that specific day, And you get hurt on that specific day.
	Obviously, you don't understand me.
	But earthquakes are occurring constantly.
	Yes, but you've got to... No, they are not.
	No, they are not.
	Not such a big magnitude, sir.
	They happen... The earthquake with Japan and Kobe does not happen constantly.
	What about the five-point whatever?
	5.3.
	These are earthquakes that are noticeable.
	As long as they are reported in the news, they will be on my book.
	On the date I gave you, I want you, sir, you seem to be a good scientist, down-to-earth and practical, and I can only appreciate that, and also understand your skepticism.
	I want you to make notes of the date I gave, and I want you to keep your eyes open on those dates.
	Then, you'll understand what I'm coming from.
	Good enough.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Lewis Turi.
	Good evening.
	Good evening.
	This is KBI Country in western Washington.
	How are you tonight?
	Just fine.
	Yes sir, I do have a question for the doctor concerning the Seattle Tacoma area and what he thinks the future holds in so far as seismic activity is concerned.
	Okay, we have the same problem that your listeners don't seem to grasp, okay?
	The energy that comes down from the universe three or four times a month, we get to a very, very It comes down 2 or 3 times, sometimes 4 times a month.
	And this is what I have noticed, of course, by keeping an eye on my predictions and the news and everything else,
	to advise people about those dates.
	Now on the date I gave you, you could be anywhere in the world,
	this energy will manifest itself, not only as an earthquake.
	You don't want to miss the picture looking at one single manifestation of nature.
	I'm afraid I tuned in late and I missed the dates that you gave, could you provide me those once again, please?
	Yes.
	April 2nd, 16, 23rd, 28.
	May 7th, 13th, 19th, 25th, June 1st, 10th, 22nd, 29th, and I guarantee you that, on those dates, you will experience nature's destructive force, and nature will just do what she has to do, like she's done forever, and does not only transform into an earthquake, could be a volcano, could be a tomato, could be a plane crash, we're talking about energies that are able to disturb Poor, uneducated human people here living on this earth, not aware of these energies.
	You refer to psychically educated.
	That's right.
	All right, doctor.
	Hold on.
	We'll be right back to you.
	This is Dreamland.
	You're interested in past lives.
	What about future life?
	Dr. Turi about something that...
	I like to ask people like Dr. Turi about.
	Dr. Turi, somebody once told me, a friend of mine, that when you die, going to the light is a trick, and that instead you should go to the darkness.
	That has bothered me for a long time, Doctor.
	Well, I think it would bother me, too.
	I would hate to go the wrong direction.
	Oh, that's right.
	It's just common sense, though.
	I mean, you're talking about light and life.
	If you work for happiness, if you work for kids, if you work for life and life, you'll be a happy guy.
	Now, if you work in a hospital or in a mortuary, trust me, you're going to feel sad.
	So you want to go where your instincts or your feelings are pushing you, obviously, towards the light.
	If you happen to be there sometime, remember that.
	Yes, well, I will try and remember that.
	So you say squarely, go toward the light.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Good evening.
	Hello.
	Several weeks ago, you had Randolph Winters, and he said that aliens relayed information to him that sometime between 1995 and 97, there would be massive hurricanes in the Atlantic and wipe out That's right.
	Alright, it's a good question.
	Where are you calling from?
	Charleston, South Carolina.
	I guess, would he agree with that or does he have any information on that?
	Alright, it's a good question. Where are you calling from?
	Oh, this is Jack from Charleston, South Carolina.
	Charleston, South Carolina. Alright, well you can see why the concern about the East Coast.
	Is there anything you can tell them generally about large storms on the East Coast?
	Well, again, because of the geographical location and those energies I just mentioned earlier, chances are these people out there will suffer again, Hurricane Andrew type of story here.
	However, when it comes to this massive destruction, Yes, that is very interesting.
	You disagree so much with Mr. Scallion.
	or thousands of people dying and so forth uh... you have to understand that people out there to make
	a buck and if they decide to use your fears and feed on your fears to sell their product
	uh... they obviously you're a loser in the long run. I don't believe at all. I
	don't believe at all in mass destruction in california or florida going into the oceans. Yes that is
	very interesting you disagree so much with uh... mister scallion. That's right completely
	entirely.
	there is really something to all of these psychic predictions, Doctor. Why don't you
	psychics agree? Well, that's a very good question. First of all, you have to see the source of
	the information, the person that gives you this information.
	Now, is he alive on TV giving data about how Greg and it happened? For example, is he
	sold his magazine and his books all over the world like it happened to me? Or did I fell out of
	a roof and then start to give direction and make maps of the world? You have to
	understand, you have to understand You have to be practical when it comes to this world.
	There's such a little education for the general mass out there.
	The mass is gullible.
	The mass is fearful.
	And this is obviously how religion... And it feeds it.
	Yes, doctor.
	All right.
	Hold on.
	You understand what I'm saying here?
	I do.
	Yes.
	Hold on.
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	Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am. My guest is Dr. Louis Turi.
	And we will lay heavily into the phones this hour.
	So if you've been trying to get through, this would be a good hour for it.
	for it.
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	And I have a very pointed question, by facts, a couple of them actually, for Dr. Turi in
	a moment. First, the SFX30.
	If you have been wanting to get into the world of faxing, and I can tell you that once you acquire a fax machine, you will never want to let go.
	They're wonderful.
	They are probably the best way to transfer information quickly.
	Known man right now.
	You can send a fax with this machine in 50... Doctor, here's a fax.
	The doctor himself opened the door on this one.
	Don't let him off the hook.
	O.J.
	Simpson, guilty or not?
	O.J.
	Simpson.
	Guilty.
	Guilty.
	Very much indeed.
	He is a Gemini dragon still, which means the worse of the sign of Gemini.
	Indicate his dual personality.
	Uh, sad enough, he's also a Sagittarius star, which means he attracts foreigners.
	He's extremely unlucky with the legal system.
	No matter how much money, no matter how much fame is backing him up, uh, in the long run, the entire deal won't work for him.
	And he's also born with the moon in Pisces, which means, uh, Pisces was the 12 house confinement.
	It was anything to do with deception, drugs, alcohol, including asylum and imprisonment.
	And this is a good question.
	The Iraq situation.
	Does he see us going to war over the two captives or going to war again with Iraq?
	Yes, indeed.
	all right also uh... and this is a good question the iraq situation does he see us going to war over the two
	captives or going to war again with iraq yes and it uh...
	the actually i have a tape uh...
	the day before the ground war i gave the exact date of the beginning and the
	ending of the ground war on t.v. and on radio in in california And I prepared everybody to be ready for Saddam Hussein doing some nasty things again.
	He's somebody not to trust, obviously.
	He's born with the moon in Scorpio.
	Scorpio is the sign of death, and the moon regulates the people that are under his command, or his domestic scenery, which is his cities.
	Alright, now another question.
	it well before it happened, everything went through a dramatic restructure.
	And yes, he'll do it again.
	Alright, now another question.
	Dr. Turi, does positive energy, positive, ever come down also in large bursts?
	Yes, it does.
	Basically, the reason why I emphasize negativity is because if I say you're going to get hurt, you'll remember me.
	But there is a possibility also to channel this positive energy.
	I have to mention that the thought process is extremely strong.
	If you have a lot of people which are generating positive thoughts, they will create the future.
	The future is the reincarnation of the fat, in my work, and matter is a concentration
	of fat or electricity.
	So in other words, when you have a lot of people thinking positively, there will be
	some magical forces, because yes, magic indeed exists.
	And so you could change the course of your destiny.
	Your will or the part of God inside of you is much stronger than those stars.
	However, if you're not educated, you are going to pay the price of ignorance.
	Alright, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr.
	Turi, where are you calling from Dorset, Ohio.
	Ohio, alright, go ahead.
	Um, first I have a question for the doctor.
	Yes.
	Um, how accurate are you on your prediction?
	I've been so far, uh, I'd say 100% accurate and I'm not afraid to say it because I gave data and I want you to check it out.
	He does, it's true.
	Okay, and another one, um, how will OJ Simpson be?
	Will the jury choose him guilty or not guilty?
	That's a different question.
	Or is it?
	Is it not?
	Maybe it's not.
	In other words, you are predicting the jury will say he is guilty.
	That's correct.
	Uh, that is not, is that any different than whether he is in fact guilty or not?
	He's actually guilty.
	Through the stars.
	Remember, the stars are very impersonal.
	They don't care, they don't feel.
	They just do what they were intended to do by God.
	So you're saying he is guilty, and they will say he's guilty.
	And they will get him also.
	Alright, that's specific enough.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Yes, sir.
	Do you find any numerological correlations with your astrological correlations?
	What?
	Numerology.
	Oh, numerology, yes.
	All sciences are related, lady.
	Astrology, numerology, shiromancy, name it.
	The only thing is there is one truth, so every door is open to find the truth.
	All right, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Hi, I'd like to make a comment.
	All right, turn your radio off and tell us where you're calling from.
	Okay, I'm calling from Junction City, Kansas.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay, I was wondering about, I understand there's a deal called a spiral calendar, which has to do with the stars and the moon and the sun and planets and stuff that all come together and it can tell you what's going to happen, such as financial things.
	I understand that The stock market is going to crash around mid-October or something of this year.
	I was wondering if he thinks that may have any substance or if it's just a load of crap.
	Again, this energy can also affect the financial world.
	I did predict the crash of Dow Jones and so forth.
	To get all this information, my book can cover all that, but I cannot do it over the telephone, obviously.
	But yes, the stars do affect finances and affect our career.
	The stars affect the twelve specific areas of man.
	Each area of our life is commanded by a specific energy, like every part of your body is controlled by a specific star, which indicates why you are prone to suffer in one area and not in the others.
	So, the negative energy days would be good days to worry about the stock market, and the positive energy days would be good days to invest, yes?
	Basically, this is what it is, yes.
	Plus, you have to respect the Universal Law, which is based on the moon fluctuations.
	The moon controls our psyche.
	When she's waxing, like the farmers used to do, they use the moon fluctuations for their crops.
	So if you put your endeavors to invest when the moon is waxing, chances are your outcome will be positive.
	Anything after the full moon, obviously, is going against the energy or the ladder of the universe, so to speak.
	I mean, I cannot explain this in detail.
	It can all be done in my books.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	I'm calling from Chapel Hill.
	North Carolina?
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Dr. Turi?
	Speaking.
	How are you?
	I'm doing good, my friend.
	Thank you.
	I have two questions.
	Will Saddam Hussein finish the Tower of Babel?
	Wait, what?
	Will Saddam Hussein finish rebuilding the Tower of Babel?
	Well, basically Saddam Hussein is a nasty guy.
	He has some negative stars.
	Again, people are not aware when they elect a president, if he has bad stars like Hitler, the people are going to suffer his destiny.
	He's in charge of a nation.
	He has bad stars.
	Sad enough, people are not aware of the power of God to the stars and they are paying with their ignorance and their body and their family and their security.
	Alright, but his question is with regard to the Tower of Babel.
	I believe he is rebuilding it.
	Right.
	Yes.
	What I'm trying to tell you, he will do anything that he can to respect his destiny that was imposed by his father at birth, and he is a negative spirit.
	Okay.
	So everybody under his command will pay the price to have elected him.
	Okay, and do you foresee the daggers of Agamotto being found?
	Absolutely, too.
	But you have to give it time here, that's not going to be done overnight.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	And on the first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Yes, I'm calling from Grass Valley, California.
	Yes.
	Does Dr. Turi see in the stars a figure person such as Jesus coming to Earth to help rule the world?
	Okay, you seem to be pretty religious darling.
	Not really.
	Okay, I understand you're looking for figures and everybody has his own beliefs and so forth.
	Yes.
	I do believe that the new age will bring new leaders and faith and religion will be a very different source than what it is practiced or believed today.
	Leaders have been with us forever.
	We're talking about Jesus, but there is also Buddha, there is Hara, there is so many of them.
	Remember, there is 875 different religions in this world.
	So, I would believe they'll be always leaders.
	They always have been.
	Thank you.
	What is your attitude, Doctor, about religion?
	Uh, I understand that God is the ultimate creator.
	He created the stars, and it's written in the Bible, the first few words will tell you.
	God created the stars and the heavens, and if you look forward to be used, that's fine.
	However, man has lost his cosmic consciousness by being more scientifically oriented around the 16th century.
	And I do believe that 875 different religions have killed mothers, children, fathers, brothers, and sisters much more than what he should have.
	So, following a God which is based on fear, negativity, which is promising hell forever, is not the type of God I would follow.
	God speaks to me through the stars, and it is the only way to speak to Him, through the stars.
	However, when you ask, you shall receive.
	If you don't ask, and if you're not curious enough, or if for some reason you have negative stars that stop your cosmic consciousness, or your mental exploration, you're not going to ask for the light.
	Ask and you shall receive.
	All right.
	Stand by, doctor.
	We'll be right back to you.
	My guest is Dr. Louis Turi.
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	Dr. Turi is somebody who also believes in reincarnation, as so many of my guests do.
	Dr. Goldberg specifically believes in it.
	As a matter of fact, he has, in my estimation, gone further toward proving it than anybody I know of.
	He wrote a book called Past Lives, Future Lives.
	He wrote The Search for Grace.
	That became a CBS movie.
	He has appeared all over the place, he has regressed celebrities like Jerry Springer and Montel Williams, has been a frequent guest on my show, Oprah, Donahue, Tom Snyder, The Other Side, CNN, Regis, Kathie Lee, and so forth and so on.
	He can help you out by regressing you and helping you beat bad habits like overeating, smoking, I should have more economy.
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	Dr. Goldberg has actually conducted over 30,000 regressions and progressions on more than 10,000 patients.
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	And by the way, if you live in Southern California, you can attend Dr.
	Goldberg's free lectures in Los Angeles area on the subject of past and future lives.
	That's coming up March 29th and April 2nd again.
	The number 1-800-527-6248.
	Glad we're running that ad.
	Alright, Dr. Turi.
	Okay.
	Past lives and future lives.
	I was just talking about Dr. Goldberg and he firmly believes in that.
	And I take it you do as well.
	Yes.
	Can you give me some idea of Do you believe there are various levels of what we think of as heaven?
	through the lives. In other words, do you believe there are various levels of what we
	think of as heaven? Yes, there is. Put it this way, if somebody...
	This is a very deep subject here to explain past.
	I understand.
	But is the amount of work you're doing on this dense physical world, on this present reincarnation, which is going to give you, on your next reincarnation, the star pattern that would make you an Einstein, a Picasso, or a singer, or a painter?
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Yes.
	It has to do with the work you're doing, because the only thing you're going to bring with you after this life is the amount of knowledge which is going to be stored on the Akazic record on your hard drive, so to speak.
	Now, you actually have chosen a specific place to be born.
	It could have been more in Africa, if you have to learn what sadness and depression and poverty and even death is all about.
	Now if you decide to learn what's wealth, obviously you're going to be reincarnated as a person in high class area.
	Okay?
	So what I'm trying to tell you is as you progress through your knowledge, you do not have to suffer hardship.
	So you come up in a different level of consciousness in each world.
	Each one of these stars you see out there, a million miles, lights away, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Lewis Ture.
	Hello.
	I am listening.
	type of experience different energy everything is unlimited
	put it this way west of the rockies you're on the air with dr lewis tory
	hello i'm listening
	uh... yes i uh... i have a question about specific anything coming up with the new madrid fault
	okay now he'd is not doing that sir uh...
	Everybody needs to listen very carefully.
	He is not predicting specific fault troubles.
	He's simply giving us dates, which indicate a great deal of negative energy is present, and whether it's the New Madrid fault, or the California fault, or faults anywhere, these will be days, correct, Doctor, that something could happen?
	Doesn't even have to be an earthquake?
	That's correct.
	We're beginning to understand here that we're talking about energy that may manifest itself in anything drastic.
	For example, on the Earth Tribulation Report that goes out to about 5,000 people or so, I gave the date of March the 20th, and I said on that specific day that there will be some negative energy.
	So what we had, we had the Japanese gas attack, We had the flood in California, the building collapse in New York, the Tokyo earthquake on that specific day.
	That is the maximum type of energy which is transforming into a disaster.
	Now if you're living on a fault, obviously you're going to jump.
	That's just common sense.
	I have a question for your guest, Dr. Turi.
	you're on the air with Dr. Lewis Turi, where are you calling from please?
	I'm calling from the Metro St. Louis area. My name is Gary.
	Hi Gary.
	How are you doing today Art?
	Fine.
	I have a question for your guest, Dr. Turi.
	I'm concerned about actually a Reuters press release that Art mentioned yesterday on his show
	about the splitting up of the ice cap and Antarctica.
	Okay, we are going back again into this New Age frantic stuff here.
	And I am seriously upset about this idea of people generating news that, that, or eventually selling products because they are feeding on your fails and you're gullible enough to swallow it.
	No, wait, doctor, wait.
	I don't understand that.
	Okay, I'm going to help you to understand.
	I had a news story uh... this last friday night saturday morning uh... reuters
	news which indicate
	uh... indicates there is a scientist who is saying that right now
	the antarctic uh... ice cap is beginning to split and uh... and melt and that it is uh... indeed getting
	warmer This is a... A scientific report.
	An Argentinian scientist, yes.
	Correct.
	The point is, this has been going on for already, if I remember even, something like ten years ago.
	We were already talking about it.
	There were rumors of those back in Europe ten years ago, about the ice cap and so forth.
	Well, he has found a large new split.
	That's what he's saying, and we just wanted to ask you about that.
	I would not be surprised.
	Now I understand a little bit more of the question, especially with all this chemical thrown in the atmosphere and the ozone layer.
	So we are bound to affect and to upset Mother Nature, but there to the point of producing Uh, dramatical things, I don't believe it.
	You know, nature, when she decided to get rid of us, she's like a dog.
	When she scratched herself, well, like fleas, we're out of here.
	Simple as that.
	Like we have done with, like we have done with many disappeared civilizations, the Atlantis and so forth, this is part of history.
	Nature is strong enough to take care of herself and I don't think we should be worried too much about such a drastic change.
	And so we should think of ourselves like fleas on a dog's hide.
	That's all we are when you look at it.
	If there is a volcano that blew up next to you, where were you in history?
	That's a good point.
	On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Lewis Turry.
	Hi.
	Hi there.
	I have a call from San Diego.
	Yes, sir.
	I have two quick questions I'd like to hang up and listen.
	First is, to what degree are these waves of negative energy, are they simply something that's generated by astrologicals, but just by the stars, or does it have something to do with the Negative state of the planet.
	Okay.
	And also, what does the sign Leo tend to signify?
	Okay, basically, this is a combination of both.
	When you have a negative energy, like now the dragon Ted is in the sign of Scorpio, which has made since 1990, This world is a very dramatic place.
	A full restructure has been taking place since 1990 and has brought people to their knees.
	Scorpio wants the rich to experience what it is to be poor.
	Scorpio wants the people to understand that life is a process of constant changes and the stars are pushing forward.
	Now, California, especially California, there is a lot of people out there that are constantly, like a battery, generating a lot of negative energy.
	So combined with the interstellar order imposed by God, this thought process is building to the point of making this place unbearable.
	Oh, thank you very much.
	All right.
	Stand by, Doctor.
	You know, there's an interesting comment.
	The negative energy coming from the people in California may soon make it uninhabitable.
	That's fascinating.
	We'll be back.
	This is CBC.
	Text in Dr. R.
	Are you ready?
	I am ready.
	Alright.
	My first faxer, Rita, down in San Diego, would like to know, who, and can you tell, who might be president in 1996?
	Okay, good question.
	Again, there is two people through the stars that lead.
	The first one is, again, President Clinton.
	Okay?
	And the second one is, I forgot his name now.
	He was in the grand war.
	A very important general.
	General Colin Powell.
	That's correct.
	Okay, there's going to be a tight, tight energy between those two guys.
	With the President of the United States ending up, again, in charge.
	You know, with the President winning...
	Well, there's a sad message from the stars.
	Well, I'm sorry, but you know, the stars don't care.
	They do things as they're supposed to.
	All right, from Daryl in Arizona, ask your guest whether we will have World War III ever, and if so, when will it be?
	Okay, I think the United States should be more concerned with the upcoming internal religious war, which is going to take place starting about a year from now.
	Excuse me?
	Religious war?
	Inside the United States, yes.
	There's going to be some... Once the dragons stay under the sign of piety, that's going to produce some serious stress on the religious front.
	Sad enough, there's going to be more killing, more disruption with... for or against abortion dilemmas that would go out of hand.
	Then on top of that, you have to keep in mind that the next two years are going to be taken care of by the planet Mars, which is the planet of war.
	So indeed, we're going to have some serious trouble here, unless we get to understand what's going on and start to use diplomacy in every area.
	The thing that really worries me most is the attack, so to speak, of the police force against the young generation, which is going to get out of hand.
	You're talking about a gang generation now.
	Across America, in places like New Orleans and other cities, there is much violence.
	Young people killing young people.
	That's correct.
	I would think that your method of looking at energy would be able to forecast how that's going to go.
	Is it going to get worse?
	Better?
	Worse?
	Yes.
	The reason why those kids are killing themselves is because the planet of Pluto isn't the sign of Libra, which holds partnership.
	Those kids have a strong Strong beliefs of respect, no matter how old they are.
	They live for their false sense of security.
	They live for a band.
	And they actually regenerate in situations of life and death.
	Alright, well that's the next subject, and I'm going to have to make you do it.
	and the structure of our society.
	And those kids combined with Moss, which is called in Greek mythology the Lord of the
	War for the next two years, we own for a bumpy time.
	Again, all these predictions are in great detail in my books, but I cannot cover that
	tonight, obviously.
	All right, well that's the next subject, and I'm going to have to make you do it.
	The doctor has mentioned several times his book with the predictions, but nothing about
	where you can get the books.
	Please ask him how.
	Okay, first of all, they could get our Earth Tribulation Report, which is from LA, the
	New World Millennium Institute.
	They can call our voicemail at 714-219-4503.
	Then they can line up to get all my prediction month after month.
	Now, if they want my book, then they have to call another number, which is area code 602... 602?
	482.
	482?
	Correct.
	482-5520.
	Alright, let me repeat this.
	For the Earth... What is it called again?
	Your report monthly?
	Earth Tribulation Report.
	Earth Tribulation Report at area code 714.
	Correct.
	Yeah, this...
	And your book is area code 602-482-5520.
	Correct. Now this book is published in Russia, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Mexico and the United States.
	And he came out just this year in the United States.
	I'm just starting to put it out there.
	So it's brand new?
	Yes.
	He also tells you when to invest.
	Oh, I should not give my number now.
	All right, doctor.
	Let's go to another call.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Louis Turi.
	Yes.
	I'd like to ask Dr. Turi if astrologically there's a similarity between the dates that he gave.
	I noticed that some of them are No, darling, I do not use modern astrology.
	This doesn't really work.
	I use Divine Astrology, which is an Australian 16th century method.
	Remember, it didn't have a computer, it didn't have a watch, so it doesn't go by solar, return, eclipse, the rising, sextile, degree, and so forth.
	The technique I use is called Divine Astrology, and I have a specific program that was made Hello, I'm Software in L.A.
	I'm the only one who does this type of astrology.
	All right.
	Divine astrology?
	That's correct, yes.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much for the call, and good evening.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Louis Turi.
	Hi.
	Yeah, how you doing, Art?
	All right.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Montana.
	All right.
	I'll get you out of Salt Lake.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, I think the difference between Dr. Turi and Scallion is that His intuition is directed toward astrology, obviously, which is very much dealing with dates.
	Yes.
	And Scallion's intuition is directed toward the planet itself right now.
	So, he gets information intuitively regarding specific things like epicenters and... Yes.
	...magnitudes and so on, and so the individual people have to decide which is more useful.
	That's correct.
	Well, and I also think it will be interesting to take the dates given by Dr. Turi and apply them to whatever happens regarding specific predictions of Scallion.
	Right.
	Right.
	I want you to understand that when I give dates, like I did tonight, I want you to keep a close eye on it, because I'm telling you, it will happen.
	Not because I saw it in a dream.
	That's because my past, my previous record prediction is, as I said, on TV and radio, is unarguable.
	Certified mail was sent to the Seismology Institute in Pasadena.
	There is many newspapers and books all over the world which are carrying my predictions, and it's all there, and it can be given to anybody which is skeptical.
	Don't worry, Doctor.
	We'll be watching.
	I hope so.
	Quick question.
	Yes.
	Yes, Dr. Turi.
	If you work on it, can you work on a specific area or specific individuals in terms of how that relates to what would happen in dates.
	Absolutely, sir.
	Countries, like a person, are also controlled by the stars.
	Like the United States, for example, is a country which is controlled by the sign of cancer.
	Cancer is the sign that rules, traditionally, the fourth house, which is the base of operation, housing, clothing, and food.
	America is the only country in the world where people are spending millions of dollars to lose fat.
	Okay.
	A country which is forced to spill food all over the world to help other people.
	A country which is so magnetic because of the American dream, because beauty, because the possibility of making your dreams come true.
	That is represented by the sound of cancer, eating constantly, perched on a rock, and the food supply is represented by the ocean.
	France is controlled by Leo, the sign of power, love and romance.
	That's why we say French are romantique.
	Your newsletter, does that give more specific information regarding places and individuals?
	It is a good question.
	Your newsletter does get specific.
	Absolutely.
	It gives you great detail in relocation, uh, when to go out if you're looking for UFOs.
	The Michigan UFOs was predicted a year and a half ago.
	The most obvious UFO experience, uh, that was recorded on a radar in March, in March the 7th, I think, yes, was fully predicted in my calendar when I tell everybody to go out and look for them that specific night.
	All right.
	Now, Art, I was busy dialing.
	I missed his number.
	Before the show ends, will you give his number out again?
	Yes, I'll do it right now.
	And please don't call now.
	Yeah, don't call now.
	If you would like his monthly report, it's area code 714-219-4503.
	seven one four two one nine
	four five zero three
	uh... his book which i have a copy of uh... right here called star guide
	uh... can be obtained at area code Hope you got it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Louis Turi.
	Hi.
	Hi, I'm calling from San Diego.
	Yes, sir.
	Uh, could you tell us more about your encounter with the UFO?
	Uh, tell you what, I'm going to be doing a conference in San Diego.
	I'll be at the Golden Light of Christ Church.
	4144 Campus Avenue.
	If you want to call those guys, I'm going to do, I'm going to show a slideshow where people are going to see actually a UFO landing in the desert of Mexico.
	We're going to see all sorts of interesting things.
	So I'm going to give you a number for those guys over there if I may.
	San Diego.
	Alright, go ahead.
	It's 619-463-8727.
	I'll be doing a big lecture over there in San Diego in a couple weeks from now.
	Alright, did you get that caller?
	Yes, thank you.
	Alright, thank you.
	619-463-8727.
	Yes, that's my next lecture in California.
	Yes, my name is Clayton.
	I'm in Laughlin.
	Laughlin, Nevada, yes.
	Yes.
	And I'd like to ask a couple questions.
	One is, what is the difference between his divine astrology and psychic astrology?
	Is that myself?
	Okay.
	I'm a professional psychic and I use psychic astrology and I predicted megabucks two years in a row.
	Very good, very good.
	What happened is, you see, I was born in the same village as Nostradamus in the south of France.
	And before they turned his house into a museum, I was lucky enough to go and look and study his type of astrology.
	Remember, for all the people out there who are using Nostradamus' work to do predictions, you know, it's a difficult situation here.
	You have to take the 15th century French change it into our French, then you have to speak our local
	dialect called the Provencal and most of all you have to do the astrology you used to do
	which is divine astrology.
	So that's the one I use, that's the one I master, that's the one I have a specific
	program made by Avalon Software in LA. I'm the only one who does this and I teach it
	and I also, not only in my classes with my students here in Phoenix, but also by mail and videotapes.
	All right.
	Doctor, stand by.
	We'll be right back to you.
	My guest is Dr. Louis Turi, and he will be right back.
	When it comes to UFOs, I'll bet you agree with me it's time we-
	You don't have to assume you are that.
	East of the Rockies, if you are east of the Rockies, the number is 1-800-825-5033.
	Once again, back to Dr. Louis Turi.
	Doctor, are you there?
	I am here.
	Alright, not a lot of time, so let's fit some calls in.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Hello.
	Yes, I am calling from Palm Springs, California.
	Yes, sir.
	And I have a contradiction, I think, referring to the O.J.
	Simpson prediction.
	Yes.
	You referred to him as a Gemini, and yet you gave it... He's a Cancer, yes.
	Remember, don't do Modern Astrology.
	I do Divine Astrology, Donny.
	Oh, OK, because the first day you said was July 9, which is Cancer.
	He's a Cancer.
	I'm aware of that.
	But remember, do with Divine Astrology.
	We've classified him as a Gemini.
	Okay.
	It's a long story.
	Take my book, and I will teach you all that the right way.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Good evening.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Where are you, sir?
	East of the Rockies.
	Where?
	What city?
	Bill, Pennsylvania.
	Pennsylvania.
	All right.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	What's your question, sir?
	I don't have a question.
	I have a statement.
	Go ahead.
	Rush Limbaugh messed up on his little All right, well, we're not talking about Rush Limbaugh, but thank you.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Yes.
	He mentioned religion a little while ago.
	That's right.
	And I was curious, why is there so many different religions?
	And if there is so many, Is there only one God, or is there many?
	Actually, that's a good question.
	Okay, first of all, you have to understand, it's extremely difficult to teach the manifestation of God through the stars.
	That's scientific, that takes me many, many years to understand and to master.
	Plus, on top of that, you have to have the gift, and the natural gift of curiosity.
	Now, some people do not have all these tools with them, so it's easy to tell them things Easier for them to assimilate.
	On top of that, a lot of religions are growing non-stop because it's the best way to make a good living by feeding with fears.
	People are easily manipulated.
	They're all insecure.
	It's part of man's nature to fight for his life.
	So by imposing rules and imposing fears and that God is going to send you to hell, you will end up controlling them.
	So that's what religion is all about, basically.
	You believe religion is about control through fear?
	Absolutely.
	Uh, so that's why there are so many.
	Right.
	Is there only one, uh, creator, doctor?
	Yes, there is.
	I believe in God firmly, but again, my God is full, is free of fear, and is full of light, and is full of light.
	I think he's more like the one that I believe in as well.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	Hello.
	Okay, you know, do you want to personally be responsible for correcting Rush Limbaugh?
	No, I don't want to.
	You already called West of the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Yeah, Art?
	Yes.
	This is Sandy.
	Yes, what's your question, Sandy?
	Yeah, well, my question is, um, does Dr. Curry see O.J.
	walking free, or will he?
	No, he already said that.
	We already answered that question.
	Yes, indeed we did.
	First time caller of the line, you're on the air with Dr. Curry.
	Uh, yeah.
	If OJ, like you say, will be considered guilty, will there be a riot?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	Well, tell you what, all the white people are going to have a riot if he goes free.
	Well, is that a joke, or are you really saying that?
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't think there's going to be another riot, but that was a different energy.
	Actually, I sent a letter to John Gleick, the LA police officer, the chief of police, and I gave him the date when this would happen, by the way.
	I have a copy of this on my calendar.
	That'd be Willie Williams.
	No, no, it wasn't him.
	At that time, no.
	I can't remember his name off, you know, right away.
	Okay, on the wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. Turi.
	I don't believe I finally got through.
	Yes, you did.
	Where are you?
	I'm fine.
	Where are you?
	I'm calling from Mesa, Arizona.
	Okay.
	Yes, I was wondering, I believe in psychic stories, and I have some things that have happened to me, and predictions that I have.
	I just can't control it.
	I never know when it's going to come.
	to me. What's your question? Well, is it possible to, in other words, when I get one of those,
	I don't know whether you get that way or not, but if I get a premonition, and if it's really
	a bad one, I try not to think about it.
	Maybe it won't happen, but it does anyway.
	Good thinking.
	Remember, your thought power is able to manipulate the subtle forces which are in your subconscious where God resides.
	So if your prayer or your wishes are strong enough, you're going to be able to control the outcome of this physical world.
	That's the true feeling of faith.
	So it's just one person, but it's very important.
	Each individual person must think positively.
	Yes, this is one of the reasons, as we mentioned earlier, why California is such a distress.
	Millions of people are there, which are every single day generating negative thoughts.
	And the concentration of this negative energy turned out to make people's lives misery out there.
	It's about time, you know, that they stop being literally harassed with frantic new ages and fear of the apocalypse and all these people out there throwing dirt and fear on these people out there.
	Doctor, we are out of time.
	Okay.
	We must go.
	It has been a pleasure, and lines are still all stacked up, but we only have so much time.
	I understand.
	So I want to thank you.
	We will have you back again.
	We have recorded your dates.
	Thank you.
	And believe me, we will be checking.
	Thank you very much.
	God bless you all.
	Dr. Turi, thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	And good evening.
	And to all of you, good evening.
	If you would like a copy of this program, The one you just heard, with a great deal of information in it.
	You can get it by calling now, or 24 hours a day, 1-800-917-4278.
	That line's open now.
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	On behalf of all those who bring you Dreamland, thank you.
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