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Feb. 19, 1995 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Peter Davenport - UFO Reports and Sightings (first appearance). Linda Howe - Denver UFO Report

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	...several other problems and it really does not make sense that something that would be as highly classified and affecting national security as the original 1947 film should leak its way through a musician in England to the BBC and then be reported on a talk show and then bounce back to the Fox Network in the United States.
	This is very odd.
	And especially, why would an alien body taken from a craft be draped in a cloth?
	It would seem that the whole point would be to document what the body actually looked like.
	Well, anyway, it may be theatrics, it may be disinformation, or we may be at the first beginnings of the crack in the history of this contact or intrusion by some other non-human intelligence on our planet.
	Well, I'm gonna hope for the latter.
	And, in along those lines, I reported last Sunday that a woman who had a very close friend who worked in the Central Intelligence Agency as an engineer said that in 1987 that agency was developing using alien technology that they had studied and recovered from crashed disks.
	That they were trying to develop a technology that would make it possible to have aerial vehicles, planes or other, disappear or become invisible by affecting the cones and rods in the human eye.
	Well, after that report last week, I received a phone call from a family in Denver, Colorado.
	Their house is very near the edge of Stapleton Airport.
	And one year ago, on Friday, January 24th, 1994...
	The mother and her two teenage children who had already seen helicopters that were large and black and sometimes hovering or going over their house, they had become aware of this sound and they were used to running out to see what it was.
	Well, on this morning, Friday, January 24th, 1994, the mother and the two teenagers saw two large black helicopters Disappear right while they were standing in their front yard.
	And now I'm going to let you hear the eyewitness accounts of the mother and her son.
	All right, here it comes from Linda Howe in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
	Here comes the report.
	The morning that this happened, we had been seeing them every Friday morning.
	Okay.
	And it had probably happened two weeks Two weeks in a row that we had seen them.
	And we were, we homeschool our children and we were sitting down during school and we heard helicopters so it was, the sky was clear blue but there was snow on the ground.
	Right.
	So we went out, we had a sliding glass back door and we went out and stood on the back porch and we were searching the sky for the helicopter.
	Right.
	And we saw one, and then in the distance saw that it appeared very small, like a fly.
	Right.
	We thought there was another one.
	So two black helicopters coming towards you?
	Yeah.
	And you... Well, we didn't know for sure that the other one was a black helicopter, but this one was close.
	We thought it was definitely black.
	It flew right over the house.
	And you and your children both were watching it, so there are three of you watching.
	Uh-huh.
	And when it flew over the house, what happened next?
	It disappeared.
	Okay, now tell me what you mean.
	We were watching it.
	It was going up.
	Um... At the...
	I couldn't see it.
	At the same time that I couldn't see it, I couldn't hear it.
	It didn't fly below the tree line.
	It was just not there.
	Okay, so were your eyes on it the whole time?
	Yes.
	The kids and I, we were standing out there, and I said, you know, I could have blinked.
	And the kids simultaneously saw the same thing happen?
	Yes.
	They were, Mom, where'd it go?
	Huh.
	So it's flying along, and it's making noise, and you all three see it, and then, in a microsecond, you don't hear anything or see anything.
	Right.
	Now, what about the second helicopter?
	Probably the kids could tell you more about the second one.
	I was quite flipped out about the helicopter just disappearing.
	I went and got binoculars, did a lot of visual scanning, just there was nothing.
	Is either of your children there that I could talk to?
	Hello?
	What is your name?
	Daniel.
	Daniel, how old are you?
	Eleven.
	Have you ever seen anything like that before?
	No.
	Just on Star Trek.
	Okay, just on Star Trek.
	Now, did you turn around to look at the second helicopter?
	Yeah.
	What happened now?
	It disappeared just like the first one.
	Okay, tell me you're looking at the second helicopter and tell me what's happening while you're watching it.
	It flies straight over us and then It goes towards where the trees are.
	Right.
	And then south, and then in a few seconds, it just disappears.
	Well, what were you thinking at that point, seeing two helicopters having disappeared?
	I was thinking that, yeesh, I wonder if they're What's next?
	Disappearing bicycles?
	Did it scare you?
	No.
	It surprised me, though.
	Wow, Linda, that really was something.
	I know, because this is a family in Denver, right out in their yard, whose all of them see two large black helicopters simply blink out right in front of them.
	And what I think also is interesting is that they all agreed that simultaneously the loud sound popped out immediately.
	And I wonder, question mark, is this U.S.
	military technology or is this some sort of alien device in disguise?
	It's got to be one of the two, I would guess.
	So, right now, I appeal to our continuing Dreamland audience, if there's anybody out there who has any professional information or knowledge about this new technology for essentially using invisibility in some way to camouflage moving vehicles in the sky by either affecting the cones and rods in the human eye or, as one person suggested, deflecting photons so they do not reach the human eye Uh, also this, uh, shutting off of the sound.
	I would certainly appreciate it if you would get in touch with me, Linda Howe, at post office box 538 in Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania.
	And the zip code is 19006.
	And maybe Art, at more points in the program, you can also give that address out again.
	Yes.
	Do you want to give out your fax number?
	Yeah.
	My fax number is area code 215-491-9840.
	And I think I should add, if there's anybody listening who has any information,
	true information about the possible veracity or other of this 1947 Roswell film,
	and you want to talk with me confidentially, please get in touch with me also.
	As always, a fascinating report.
	Linda, thank you, and we'll talk to you next week.
	That's Linda Howe.
	from Philadelphia, and that was a remarkable report.
	That was really a remarkable report.
	And we're going to follow this up with Mr. Davenport, who's coming on next, Peter Davenport.
	And he is in charge of, I guess, the National UFO Reporting Center, located in Seattle, Washington.
	So we will ask him about the report we just heard, ask him if he's seen or heard anything like it.
	In just a moment, you're listening to Dreamland.
	The National UFO Reporting Center located in Seattle, Washington, was founded in 1974 by Mr. Robert Griffin.
	He served as director until July of 94.
	That's 20 years.
	The Center's primary function over the last two decades has been to receive, record, and to the greatest degree possible, cooperate and document sighting reports from individuals who have been witness to unusual, possibly UFO-related events.
	The principal means used by the center to receive sighting reports has been its telephone hotline,
	area code 206-722-3000.
	206-722-3000, which has operated almost continuously since 1974.
	During that tenure, the hotline has received and processed many tens of thousands of calls, most of which are cataloged and available upon request for research and other purposes.
	Several other facets of the Center and its affiliated hotline have contributed to its international reputation.
	The fact the hotline is staffed 24 hours a day makes it available at any time that a sighting might occur.
	In addition, the Center's independence from all other UFO-related organizations, combined with its long-standing policy of guaranteed anonymity to callers, has served to make it perhaps the most well-known And the most widely accepted national UFO reporting facility.
	And all we've got time for right now is enough time to let Peter Davenport say good evening.
	Good evening, Peter, and welcome.
	Good evening, Art.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm delighted to be here.
	I'm looking forward to sharing some interesting information with our listeners.
	All right.
	Very good, Peter.
	We're just about at the bottom of the hour.
	How long have you been doing it?
	I have been the director of the National UFO Reporting Center since late August of 1994.
	I took over the reins from Mr. Bob Gribble, who served in that capacity for 20 years.
	I've done it for six months now, Art.
	I don't know how he did it for 20 years.
	I take calls 24 hours a day, and I am exhausted from it.
	How's that, man?
	How Bob Gribble did it for 20 years?
	Yes, Peter, does that mean that you wake up in the middle of the night when the phone rings?
	I do indeed, Art, and it is a most remarkable job, probably the most exciting I've ever had, to take calls from Keokuk, Iowa, or St.
	Louis, Missouri, or Minns, Florida, or Farmington, Maine, and I've taken about 3,000 calls in the last six months.
	All right, well, we're going to talk about some of them in just a moment.
	That's our guest.
	His name is Peter Davenport.
	Somebody who wakes up in the middle of the night when somebody wants to report an unidentified flying object.
	That, ladies and gentlemen, is dedication.
	We'll find out all about it in just a moment.
	This hour of Art Bell was recorded for rebroadcast at this time.
	Please do not call.
	From the Kingdom of Nigh, we continue with your calls on Greenland with Art Bell.
	Call Art now, toll free at 1-800-618-8255.
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	702 area. Now again...
	code.
	Here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am again, that tape making a liar out of me.
	We do not continue with your calls, because we haven't started them yet, but we'll be taking them in a bit.
	Peter Davenport is my guest, and we're going to begin taking care of the commercial load right here at the beginning of the half hour, so we've got a good straight shot.
	Now, The DL Telephone now to Peter Davenport.
	And Peter, I think the first thing I would like to get you to react to, if we could, is Linda Howe's report, which I thought was astounding.
	Have you heard anything like that before?
	You know, it's very interesting that you ask, Art, because I have.
	Just about two weeks ago, I took a call from a group of young people.
	In fact, their mother called me first to report to me that her children were telling her about something incredible that they had seen they didn't even believe it themselves.
	They were driving in Romulus, Michigan, which I believe is to the southwest of Detroit.
	It's very difficult for me to believe this, Art, but I've taken so many calls from seemingly credible people that I am beginning to think that probably most of these calls are accurate and true from sane and sober-minded people.
	These kids were driving down a street in Romulus, Michigan one night, and they saw a huge World War II bomber coming across a line of trees at them.
	Very low altitude, probably within a wingspan of the ground.
	And suddenly, they swear it.
	I've talked to them over the telephone.
	It disappeared.
	It disappeared before their very eyes.
	I don't know what to make of it, but in response to your question, yes I have heard that report and a few others like it.
	That's amazing.
	They're talking about a new technology that might somehow fool the rods and so forth in your eyes.
	In effect, Visual cancellation very much the way others have canceled audio.
	Yep.
	You think it's possible?
	I don't know.
	It's outside my field of expertise.
	I'm completely in the dark on that one, no pun intended.
	But as we get into some of the reports, and as I play some of the excerpts from the tape-recorded conversations I've had over the last six months, I'll leave it up to our listeners to decide for themselves.
	Okay, you've been doing this a half year now.
	Are you going to be able to keep doing it, or...?
	I am indeed.
	It is the most astonishing job I've ever had.
	We do two things essentially, two principal functions here at the Center in Seattle.
	One, we collect data.
	We essentially provide a place for people who have seen UFOs or potential UFOs.
	We give them a place to call because we know from experience, a long period of experience now, that when people try to call the FAA or when they try to call the FBI or any government agency, Those agencies may pass them off to us, but they express no interest whatsoever in the phenomenon.
	People are completely in the dark, and it seems a shame.
	It makes me very suspicious why our federal government is not, ostensibly, not paying any attention to this phenomenon.
	Because if I can collect the mound of data with one telephone line in six months that I am looking at before me, Tape recorded calls, a thick stack of written reports from credible people, from police officers, from air force officers, from pilots, from the FAA, air traffic controllers.
	If I can do it with one telephone line, our government must know about this phenomenon.
	Well, that's a very good question, Dave.
	Do they come to you at all?
	In other words, since you are the reporting center, and since they refer telephone calls to you, do they come to you at any point?
	They do.
	It's very interesting.
	I have to tip my hat, for example, to the real pros we have in the FAA.
	They've been a delight to work with.
	They have been very helpful.
	Almost invariably, when somebody calls them, If they know about us, and most FAA facilities, it turns out, do know about us, they will direct the party to us, and we will take the report.
	In that respect, they are very cooperative and they are very professional.
	We've taken some very interesting telephone calls from military facilities across the United States.
	Even the military calls you?
	Even the military.
	Scott Air Force Base in Illinois, Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana.
	Wow.
	Pease Air Force Base in New Hampshire, Air Force Recovery Coordination Center at Langley, Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia.
	We've gotten a lot of calls from the military, but they don't know what to do with them.
	They don't, ostensibly, they don't have... So there is no blue book, there is no ongoing military arm that these military coordination facilities, these military facilities would report to, even if they get radar, for example?
	that I presume to be the case.
	Um, uh, I, I suspect from some anonymous calls that I have taken,
	I suspect that there are portions of our military, or perhaps intelligence or both,
	that are devoted to this issue, to pursuing data, to following up on sightings or incidents.
	We just had a major sighting, by the way, out in McMinnville, Tennessee.
	That's about 60 miles to the southeast of Nashville.
	I took the call on Saturday night, the 7th of January, about 9.27 p.m.
	Seattle time.
	They had a major UFO sighting, a UFO flap over McMinnville.
	The Warren County Sheriff's Office apparently had taken dozens or hundreds of calls, and suddenly there was an immense explosion.
	Uh, the magnitude of it I can't even describe over the phone, but it caused the airport manager of McMinnville Airport to immediately jump in an aircraft and take off to search the area looking for damage.
	I took an eight-page fax from the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency that night, or actually Sunday morning, the 8th of January, And I have discovered within the last 48 hours from yet another source that within a matter of hours, Warren County, Tennessee was crawling with federal agents who were attempting to prevail upon local officials to say nothing.
	Now, I would be uncomfortable recounting this incident if I did not have in my possession a detailed 8-page facsimile message that I took Sunday morning in the wee hours of Sunday, just within hours after the explosion, documenting every aspect of that incident.
	Tell us as much as you can.
	Essentially, what happened is a sighting occurred that, by the way, was very similar to one that we had taken from Mecosta County, Rodney, Michigan, on the 4th of January.
	Three days later, we take the call from TEMA, Tennessee Emergency Management Agency, based in Nashville.
	They've been very helpful, by the way, and I hope I'm not violating a confidence, but after all, they are a public agency.
	Uh, they called, the officer in charge, the OIC, called me to report that they had experienced an incident in Warren County.
	They didn't know the nature of it exactly, but they apparently had called the Air Force Recovery Coordination Center, AFRCC, in Langley, Virginia.
	Right.
	And they had asked, what do we do?
	We have had multiple, perhaps hundreds of UFO reports.
	The objects were seen descending vertically and slowly to the ground.
	At which point, when they disappeared from sight from all vantage points, there was an immense white flash and large chunks of blue burning material were thrown high into the sky.
	And TEMA was activated.
	The Warren County Sheriff's Office was activated.
	And as we were to learn over subsequent days from a private investigator and a number of UFO investigators out in the area, Apparently federal employees, from what department I don't know and my sources don't know, we have an interesting source out in that area that apparently is well connected and knows what's going on.
	I just received a call yesterday that some of the local UFO investigators in Tennessee were told, do not come into our county to investigate this one.
	Really?
	Really?
	Do you know, is this anywhere near Murfreesboro, Tennessee?
	I do not know.
	I don't have a map of Tennessee in front of me, Art.
	Alright, I would like to right now urge anybody in Tennessee, and we're being heard there, who has any information on this, to call us right now at 1-800-825-5033.
	Let me repeat that number.
	If you're in Tennessee, 1-800-825-5033.
	Just wanted to get that in.
	Let me repeat that number if you're in Tennessee, 1-800-825-5033.
	Just wanted to get that in.
	Go right ahead.
	I don't know what to make of this explosion, but it was the report of UFOs was very similar
	to what had been reported to us on the 4th of January.
	I think that was a Wednesday.
	I took a call from a young woman and her daughter out in Mecosta County, Michigan.
	This is near Big Rapids.
	Beep.
	Well, isn't that great?
	Uh, I'm sorry, we just lost him and, uh, that occurs sometimes.
	I guess, uh, gee, right in the middle of a, uh...
	Uh, conversation at that.
	So what we're going to have to do is try and get Mr. Davenport back on the line.
	I suspect that will be imminently possible.
	Stay right where you are.
	You're listening to Dreamland.
	What's going on here?
	I don't either.
	It's not the first time I've had telephone difficulties.
	Yeah, same here.
	But we'll be talking about that later.
	I've got a tape recording of some radio interference that I picked up over my telephone line.
	On the 22nd of December, just a few days before Christmas.
	But let me go back to the sighting in Mecosta County, Michigan on the 4th of January, if I may, briefly.
	Because it is, again, very similar to the report we took from McMinnville, Tennessee on the 7th, just three days later.
	In Michigan, I got a report from two people I had talked with before in mid-November, 16th of November, on a Wednesday.
	They called to report that they and many of their neighbors were looking at twelve, by count, twelve objects that looked like the F-117 stealth fighter.
	Black.
	They were hovering motionless in the sky.
	The people were entranced by the image, by the sight that they were looking at.
	And moreover, Art, they reported that the objects appeared to be projecting down to the ground level.
	columns of light. Now, as incredible as this may sound to you and to our listeners tonight,
	I have it on tape. I have it, in fact, most of what I'm going to be talking about tonight,
	I have on tape and am able to back up what I talk about.
	All right, well then go ahead.
	Let me start.
	But since we have some new listeners in Houston, I'd like to play about a 15 or 20 second
	account of what two airliner crews saw over Houston, Texas on the 31st of January.
	All right, go right ahead.
	You ready?
	Yes.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	On the line?
	Yeah, it's 1732.
	On the line?
	Yeah, it's 17-3.
	It's 1737 hours on Monday 31 January 95.
	I'm talking with Martin from the FAA in Houston.
	What do you have?
	Hang on a second.
	Yeah.
	I've got two airliners northwest of Alexandria, Louisiana, approximately 60 miles at 31,000 feet on both of them.
	They're southwest bound.
	and they're reporting some unknown object flying above them with lights.
	So they're two objects that are together and they split apart and then they go back together.
	Oh really? What time did they report that?
	About five minutes ago.
	That's a report I took on, I think it was Tuesday, the 31st of January.
	Just in summary, it was two airliners at 31,000 feet ostensibly headed to Houston
	that we're reporting objects above the mark, that we're doing unusual aerobatics.
	That's very interesting.
	I remember close encounters of the third kind.
	I'm sure you remember when they saw the object and finally at the end they said, do you want to report a UFO?
	And there was a big long pause.
	The fellow said, no, we don't want to report one of those things.
	Absolutely.
	So, are they now reporting more frequently?
	Are jets and pilots reporting more frequently when they encounter something?
	They appear to be to me.
	I've taken calls from Navy jet fighters, a number of them.
	Fighter pilots, that is.
	I've taken a number of calls from commercial pilots all across the country.
	Warrensburg, Missouri, Omaha, Nebraska, Denver, Colorado.
	They appear to be much more willing than has been the case in the past to report to a centralized facility like ours the fact that they are seeing things that they cannot account for.
	All right, Peter.
	Very quickly, here's somebody in Tennessee.
	Hello, ma'am.
	Where in Tennessee are you, please?
	I'm about 50 miles from McMinnville.
	Let me say, more north of McMinnville.
	Uh-huh.
	And did you happen to see anything on that evening, madam?
	No, no, we haven't seen anything, haven't heard anything of it.
	This is all hush-hush around here.
	Yes.
	I think it's a very real error out there, and they probably would, if the people knew about it, they'd probably get upset.
	Yes.
	There'd be a lot of excitement.
	What I can't understand about these UFOs that are being detected, why can't we apprehend them?
	Well, it's a good question.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Why can't we apprehend them?
	We can detect them and I'm going to be talking about that a little later in the program.
	Within the last several weeks, I have come up with a system in conjunction with a local corporation up here in Seattle that will allow us to detect the presence of UFOs, we believe.
	We're very excited about the data.
	I just got a call from Mark Roddiger of the Center for UFO Studies just a couple days ago, and we're going to be pursuing this project in the very near future.
	What method of detection would be used?
	Magnetic detection of some sort, or metallic?
	In other words, how do you do it?
	Electromagnetic radiation.
	I thought so.
	The Thursday before Martin Luther King weekend, I was sitting around saying to myself, you know, Given all the hardware, all the satellites, all the detection systems we have on this planet today, there has to be at least one out there which, inadvertently even, is recording the presence of UFOs.
	I thought back to my experience in the venture capital industry about a decade ago up here in Seattle.
	One of the companies that caught our interest back then is a company up here in Kent, just south of Seattle, called Meteor Communications.
	Meteor builds radio telemetry systems which bounce low-priority data off the ionized tails behind meteorites.
	Oh, about 60 or 70 miles up in the air.
	Bounces a signal over the horizon to another receiver.
	Right.
	It's called Meteor Scatter.
	Meteor Scatter.
	It's like a frog jumping from lily pad to lily pad.
	Just one jump ahead of the pike.
	That's a good analogy.
	It turns out, I have been listening to countless people over the last six months tell me, and I'm going to play one of these tapes tonight, tell me that when these UFOs or these ships or craft or objects, whatever you want to call them, pass overhead, the one thing that people see quite often is a trail, a contrail.
	And equally often they report that often it is luminescent.
	That suggested to me that it is probably ionized gas or ionized particles of some variety behind the ship.
	And even though these craft that we are dealing with and getting reports about might be able to...
	Yes.
	I'm sure you're quite correct.
	There's also something else going on.
	coined a term yes by reason further that they will not be able to control or
	disguise or hide the effect they apparently create on the atmosphere I'm
	sure you're quite correct there's also something else going on I'm out here
	mr. Davenport very close to an area where they launch a lot of things for
	us specifically from Vandenberg And every time they launch from Vandenberg, we see a long trail and they're easy to recognize because they're kind of like a corkscrew as they go up.
	And I don't know what they've been launching, but I've been seeing launches almost on a daily basis.
	And I would imagine they too would provide a bit of Absolutely.
	That's part of the reason that we lost communication with our re-entering capsules and astronauts back in the 60s and 70s.
	Do you remember when astronauts were coming back from space?
	There was a dead period when we couldn't communicate by radio with the astronauts.
	That is because the ionized gases around the capsule were sealing them off from Uh, electromagnetic radiation or radio signals.
	All right.
	I want you to hold it right there for a moment.
	We're gonna do our top of the hour news, and we'll be back, all right?
	Good enough.
	Stay right there, and, um, uh, thank you very much.
	My guest is... This is Talk 102.
	WTAZ Morton Peoria.
	The End.
	This is a pre-recorded, previously broadcast program.
	You know what? I'm out.
	From the Kingdom of Nine, you're hearing Greenland with Art Bell.
	To participate in the program, call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
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	or the wildcard line at 702-727-1295 This is the CBC Radio Network.
	It's Sunday evening, that means dreamland.
	My guest is Peter Davenport from the National UFO Reporting Center located in Seattle, Washington.
	And we're going to get phone calls here shortly.
	We've got a lot going on.
	He's got a number of other reports he would like to get to you.
	And there's a lot to go on Dreamland, so stay right where you are.
	Davenport, Peter, are you there?
	I am here.
	Good.
	Once again, here is somebody, very briefly, in the state of Tennessee.
	Hello there.
	Yeah, hello.
	Hi, uh, you're in Tennessee.
	What can you tell us?
	Well, I'm calling from Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
	Right.
	And, uh, I'm aware of the incident that you're speaking of.
	It was broadcast on our local news out of Nashville.
	They interviewed two people where the objects had fallen in their yards, and they showed the spot that had been burned, and then they ended the news story just by saying that it had come from an airplane flying overhead.
	Yeah.
	I'm delighted by your call and thank you very much for taking the brave stand on that.
	I just got a call this evening from a gentleman who had a very solid sighting together with six automobiles down near Albuquerque, New Mexico on Friday night.
	He has already been approached by members of the federal government.
	I talked to him not two hours ago, and they're telling him to keep his mouth shut.
	Oh, really?
	In fact, I have about a 60-second report from him that came into the center on Friday night.
	We can play it later on.
	All right.
	Listen, very quickly, your hotline is open right now, isn't it?
	It is open right now.
	We have a staff member here together with me at the center.
	All right.
	Give the number out.
	So if they want to call right now, if they've got something, they can call you right now.
	What is the number?
	The number here in Seattle is area code 206-722-3000.
	And if anybody in near McMinnville, Tennessee has some information, we would be grateful for a call.
	All right.
	That line is open right now.
	Let me play a little excerpt from a call I took on the 22nd of December.
	Let me play a short, on the subject of telephone interference, let me play a little ten second
	excerpt from a call I took on the 22nd of December. I was talking to a woman over in
	Hamilton, Montana early that morning. She and 14 other people had a disk, an object
	hovering in the night, or the early morning sky, and they had been talking about the radio
	interference they had coming over their lines whenever this object was near them.
	You say?
	Let me play the 10-second excerpt of what we heard.
	Here it comes.
	All right.
	It's just like looking... Did you hear that?
	Yeah, I did.
	He's doing that, huh?
	and I'm not doing that for my own.
	I'm going to do it for the people of the world.
	and the same beats are coming over your program.
	Whether that is a result of the telephone system, or a result of radio interference, I don't know, but it is very interesting.
	Alright, Peter, do you have any reports from Hawaii?
	We've been getting a number of reports.
	As a matter of fact, I've got a little bit of video from a TV reporter in Honolulu regarding amber lights.
	I've been getting all these amber light reports lately.
	Anything there?
	I am delighted by the question, Art.
	I took my first call from Hawaii on the 10th of January.
	A very sane and serious minded woman called me from Honolulu to report that two friends of hers on the 7th of January were out fishing off Diamond Head.
	And they were witness over the course of 30 minutes to a huge triangular shaped ship that hovered close to their fishing boat in the early morning hours about 5 a.m.
	off Diamond Head, Hawaii for 30 minutes.
	I got a written report not too long ago and it is fascinating what they drew.
	I have a thick stack of reports of these objects from all over the United States.
	That's weird.
	I, of course, have had my own, I'm sure you've heard it if you're a listener to the show, but I've had my own sighting of a triangular object.
	It's the only thing I've ever seen, Peter, and it wasn't one of those things that you think you see.
	It was right above me.
	It was very real.
	It was very silent.
	It wasn't flying.
	It was floating, and it scared the, you know what, out of me.
	Yes.
	I have had those triangles reported to the hotline.
	Probably from 30 or 40 states.
	Some of the reports are just breathtaking.
	We now have a number of written reports from people.
	We traditionally ask for a written report as a follow-up to the telephone report.
	Some people have been excellent about it.
	They have included drawings from their children who saw it also.
	And it can no longer be denied, Art, that people are seeing the most incredible craft in the atmosphere above the United States of America.
	Yes.
	And on that point, if I could for a moment, I think it is fitting on the eve of President's Day to send a message to the White House and to this now brave new Congress we have and say, enough is enough.
	The lie has been continued for 50 some odd years.
	The time to square with the American people is now.
	And I think that if the White House or if the Congress of the United States would like to send their designees to look at the mound of material that I have collected with one telephone line in six months, They will go back with a report to their bosses that it can no longer be denied.
	The question in my mind is why is our government lying to us on this issue?
	That is equally interesting to me as the phenomenon itself.
	Because we're getting reports now of police who are involved, allegedly, with UFO sightings.
	And yet, after the fact, they refuse to talk about it.
	They refuse to admit it.
	Some police have been very good.
	Shenandoah County, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of November.
	I got call after call from the Sheriff's Department in Shenandoah County.
	At one time, they had nine deputy sheriffs.
	I guess this was another county.
	This is Prince George County.
	uh... southeast of richmond they had nine deputy sheriff standing outside
	with binoculars looking at a ship they estimated its width at two hundred yards hovering in
	the night sky Shenandoah county just days prior we were getting calls
	almost nightly from Shenandoah
	Libby Montana Police Department uh... Leavenworth
	uh... the Washington State Patrol Just last week I got a call from the research branch of the California Highway Patrol in Sacramento.
	Very nice young woman down there called to request information from us.
	They apparently are trying to put together a plan in California for how they should report UFO sightings.
	But the law enforcement has been very cooperative.
	They've been very good.
	I took a call on the 7th of October from Landisville, New Jersey, straight south of Philadelphia.
	It's west of Ocean City.
	On the 3rd, 1 a.m., I happen to remember these times and dates, at 1 a.m.
	on Monday morning, the 3rd of October, two police officers from the Landisville Police Department were out on patrol in a cruiser, a car.
	They saw two very bright lights, stunningly bright lights, apparently pointed at them to some degree.
	They were intrigued by that.
	They thought it was an aircraft that was very low, perhaps in distress.
	Sure.
	They rolled down their window, at which point both lights went out, extinguished simultaneously, and the two officers were stunned.
	to witness what they saw before them not too far away probably not more than a couple hundred yards away a huge black dark ship hovering in the night sky a few seconds later it started drifting towards the north and the west and they started their engine they had turned off their engine and they heard a hum from it as I recall the report I have this on tape they proceeded to follow it At one point, they reported that they were doing 80 to 90 miles an hour along an interstate.
	Following this thing, they went for two miles at 90 miles an hour trying to catch up to it.
	That's what's going on.
	And I think it is altogether inappropriate for our elected officials to tell us that this is not going on.
	I will meet with them.
	I will meet with anyone to present my data.
	Both the tape-recorded conversations, the written reports, And I defy anybody to walk away from such a presentation saying that this phenomenon is not taking place.
	It is.
	Have you had any contact from the federal government at all?
	A little bit.
	I've talked to Peterson Air Force Base out in Colorado.
	Their information officer requested some information.
	They were interested to know what was going on.
	I've been contacted by NASA down in Texas, Johnson Space Center.
	Regrettably, the one person, PhD scientist I talked to, was a total skeptic on it.
	Wouldn't even address some of these issues.
	But other than that, very limited contact.
	Other than, again, the FAA directing calls to us.
	All right, let's go to the phone and take a few calls ourselves, Peter.
	Are you up for that?
	I am indeed.
	All right, good.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport on Dreamland.
	I have very little experience with Gulf Breeze.
	I've read a prodigious quantity of material on it.
	I find it very intriguing.
	position. What's your opinion of the Gulf Breeze sighting?
	I have very little experience with Gulf Breeze. I've read a prodigious quantity of material
	on it. I find it very intriguing. The one thing I can say is that in September, I took
	a very interesting call from Rochester, Minnesota, a young guy who is an engineer out there.
	He lives on the northeastern corner of Rochester.
	In the early hours of the morning, and there's a point to this long rambling account, he heard what at first he thought was an 18-wheel truck coming down the highway towards his house, and then quickly realized that it was not a truck at all.
	It was something very unusual.
	He went outside, this is about two o'clock in the morning, and was treated to a most unearthly image.
	He described a ship that is identical, his description was identical to some of the pictures
	that we have taken from Gulf Breeze to the extent of multi-tiered windows, several layers
	of windows that all had different colors of light radiating from them.
	That is about all I can say on the Gulf Breeze issue.
	I know there are other very talented people pursuing it, investigating it, putting together,
	collecting data, but beyond that I'm afraid I'm not really able to comment intelligently
	on it.
	Alright, and you're not looking back so much as you're looking at the present.
	In other words, getting reports from people and trying to figure out what's going on right now.
	That is correct, and while on that point, one thing I would say, we are one telephone line at present.
	We're in the process of expanding, and we'll hopefully have somewhere between four and ten lines in the very near future, resource permitting.
	But the one policy we have to enforce, regrettably, is the telephone line is reserved for current sightings or sightings that are perhaps a day or two old.
	Right.
	If they're older than that, we strongly prefer that people submit their reports in writing.
	All right, Peter.
	Since you deal with what is occurring now, maybe you can tell us.
	Are we in a current flurry of UFO reports?
	I'm sure it's cyclical.
	You get a lot of reports, then fewer, then a lot, then fewer.
	What kind of cycle are we in right now?
	Since about mid-December, I would say that we're having an inordinately great number of citing reports and John Timmerman, who's the National Treasurer for CUFO, Center for UFO Studies, a very nice gentleman with whom I've had frequent conversations, he called me in late December to say, Peter, what in heaven's name is going on?
	What's going on?
	He is being swamped with calls out in Lima, Ohio, which is where he resides.
	He and I were comparing notes and were just awestruck by not just the volume of calls, the volume of calls per se is not important, but the quality of calls is breathtaking.
	We're getting calls from people who are every bit as sane and sober and intelligent and eloquent as can be in this country, and these people are describing things that should not be there.
	We've had call on the 16th of November.
	I took my first call from Mecosta County, Michigan.
	They had well over several hundred people stopped on the Federal Highway out there.
	I think it's Route 31 that runs north and south.
	In the afternoon sky, they had people standing on the side of the Federal Highway, an interstate, looking at a gigantic triangle with its nose pointed up in the sky.
	And in the sky nearby, there was a little cloud of red things, boiling like a whirling dervish.
	They were just spinning around in a cloud.
	It was a 20-minute sighting.
	And when I asked people to estimate the size of the object, all of them said it was at least the size of a 747 airliner, and perhaps larger than that.
	Alright, back to the phones.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, this is Moki.
	I live in McChesney Park, Illinois.
	Yes.
	First, I had a quick question for you before I asked your guest.
	What album is that music that you play at the beginning of, Dreamland?
	Because I want to buy it.
	Um, alright.
	We'll get that information on the air for you.
	It's called The Old Pleasure.
	Okay, thanks.
	And then, I was wondering if you listened on Friday, they were talking about that Play-Doh project.
	And I was wondering if he knew, if he knew anything about what he was talking about on Friday?
	I'm afraid I don't know.
	I don't know much about Plato, and I'm really not able to comment very intelligently on it.
	All right.
	Again, this program, everybody, is kind of circling around current sighting information, or I suppose sightings that have occurred, rather than sort of a rehash of a program we may have done last week.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, this is San Diego calling.
	Yes sir.
	I have a general question for your guest.
	Yes.
	Considering that Albert Einstein went to great lengths to show that the speed of light cannot
	be exceeded by anything with any significant mass.
	Yes.
	Where are you?
	I'm not trying to be hard nosed, I'm just wondering where are these UFOs coming from?
	Alright, thank you.
	Well, there are many theories about that.
	Again, I doubt that it's something you want to comment on, Peter.
	How do they get here, in other words, from the vast distances if they cannot exceed the speed of light?
	You're correct in stating that I'd prefer not to comment because it's really out of my field.
	I'm a biologist.
	I'm a geneticist.
	Alright, well I- I- Hi Jack, from Charleston, South Carolina.
	Hi, Jack.
	And, I'm here to tell you that my son is going to be a doctor.
	And, we're going to have him do a study about the results of an MRI.
	And, we're going to have him be a doctor.
	And I would like to ask...
	Mr. Davenport, first, if you could give some time during the program the address to report sightings of a few years ago.
	Yes, indeed.
	I'm also wondering his opinion on so-called debunkers like Phil Klass, for instance.
	Oh, that's a good question, I suppose.
	All right, thank you.
	I'm sure you deal with it.
	I've had Phil Klass on the program a number of times, Peter.
	Any comments on Phil and company?
	I had the pleasure of meeting Phil on the 5th of July, 1991, at the MUFON convention in Chicago.
	He is a wonderful man.
	Yeah, very nice guy.
	Very cheerful.
	Very, very bright.
	Very eloquent.
	And I happen to disagree with him.
	Diametrically opposed to many of his views.
	I just don't know why he is so implacable in his view on so many of these issues.
	Do you think he's a useful idiot for the government or working for them?
	I have no idea and would prefer not to comment.
	I find it very amusing some of his views in light of what is clearly, clearly concrete evidence now.
	And it does seem amusing to me That, uh, he would take such a hard position on the other side of the issue.
	Alright, thank you.
	Well, we'll leave those, uh, stressful comments to me, then.
	We're gonna break here.
	Uh, Peter Davenport is my guest.
	He is head of the National UFO Reporting Center located in Seattle, Washington.
	And I imagine their phone is ringing off the hook right now.
	We'll be back with more your calls and more of Dreamland for a Sunday night.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	code. Now again, here's Art Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am, and I want to remind everybody we have an East and West of the Rockies line.
	East of the Rockies, it's 1-800-825-5033.
	West of the Rockies, it's 1-800-618-8255.
	In a moment, Peter Davenport is back, and this is a fax for him to consider.
	it's 1-800-618-8255. In a moment, Peter Davenport is back and this is a fax for
	him to consider. Art, I'm spellbound by your program each Sunday evening.
	I look forward to each show.
	I have never seen a UFO, but I would like to very much ask your guest where I might, quote, hang out, end quote, hang out, to increase my chances.
	I live in Northern California, T.C.
	in Sacramento.
	There is somebody who wants to see a UFO, and in a moment we'll ask Peter whether he should be careful what he wishes for.
	Ever fan a fire at nine?
	You don't have to be rich to own gold.
	Just smart.
	Now, back to Peter Davenport.
	Peter, you heard the facts I just read.
	Somebody in Sacramento who would like to connect with a UFO.
	I'm sure you get a lot of that.
	What do you tell people?
	We do.
	And there's not much I can tell them, except to tell this gentleman that there have been a great many sightings down in his state since I've been on the hotline.
	It started on the 26th of August.
	Probably the 9th of September was my busiest day on the hotline and I took 28 calls, most
	of them from California, in fact just north of Sacramento in a 10 hour period between
	midnight and 10am.
	Again Friday the 9th of September.
	There's no way to predict where these ships are going to be seen.
	They're seen everywhere.
	Many of the people who call the hotline have seen them for the first time in their lives
	and they are just astonished.
	One of the hot spots however recently has been the state of Michigan.
	There was a major sighting over Kalamazoo and Paw Paw, Michigan on Thursday night this
	past week.
	Bye.
	Thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people must have seen the cluster of ships that went streaking east to west at between 11.12 and 11.15 p.m.
	local time Thursday night over Kalamazoo, Michigan.
	One of the observers was a former artillery officer in the U.S.
	Army.
	He was out sledding with a group of about 12 or 14 people.
	They were astonished.
	They were transfixed by what they saw.
	I got the call from the officer the next morning.
	Interestingly, I got another call that morning from Pawpaw, Michigan.
	A man and his wife were, again, transfixed by three objects that were making a terrible racket.
	Just about 11.15, just a matter of two or three minutes, 20 miles west of Kalamazoo, this man and woman were treated to a most incredible display.
	Those ships were not from our planet.
	It was really quite a stunning, quite emotional description of what he saw.
	We had a very interesting sighting up in northeastern Washington State.
	Wait a minute, just before you leave Michigan, Peter, I have an audio tape, I think it was a year or maybe two years ago, of a series of Michigan sightings.
	The interesting thing about the tape I have is that it's got the radar controller uh... on the tape confirming and uh... looking at his own
	radar screen and saying all my god i see them
	they're gigantic i wonder if you know the one i'm referring to do i do indeed
	and that was a fighting that occurred on tuesday night the eighth of march
	thanks in ninety four over holland michigan that's right on the shore of
	lake michigan and i'd have to compliment my predecessor on the hotline
	again the founder of probable
	It was he, single-handedly, who I believe was responsible for seeing to it that sighting and it must have been seen, those objects must have been seen by thousands of people over the shore of Lake Michigan.
	He took one call from a very bright sounding young man in Holland who said, do you know what we are looking at at this moment over Holland, Michigan?
	Bob Gribble took the report, he quickly turned around and called the state directors for
	the Mutual UFO Network in Michigan to apprise them that a sighting was in progress.
	And Mrs. Coyne, who is the state director, or was the state director, I think she still
	is, had the presence of mind, she's a very sharp woman, had the presence of mind to call
	not the FAA, they don't have the equipment apparently that permits them to see these
	things, she called the National Weather Service.
	It has discretionary radar all across the country for looking at storm cells.
	That's right, and they sat there saying, we see it, it's, wait a minute now, it's splitting into two, no, three objects, and we got a running, oh, it's about a twenty minute tape, and it's absolutely remarkable.
	Here's yet one more fact.
	Dear Mr. Bell and guests, I must say that you have an interesting show.
	I listen to Dreamland Weekly on WPHB Radio in Phillipsburg, Pennsylvania.
	A couple of questions.
	I'm currently reading a book by Raymond C. Fowler entitled Casebook of a UFO Investigator.
	In the book, Mr. Fowler tells of a spider web type material found as discharge from some UFOs.
	Have you heard anything about this?
	Yes, I have indeed.
	In a number of cases it's called angel hair or it has been called angel hair in the literature for the last four or five decades.
	I've had a number of people report this phenomenon.
	They think they see wisps of material in the sky that apparently evaporates or disappears through some process before it reaches ground level.
	Again, a number of reports of very solid looking contrails that follow behind the ships that
	in some cases are seen streaking from horizon to horizon in ten seconds through 160 degrees
	over the head of the viewer in ten seconds.
	I alluded earlier during the program to a call I took from Nebraska from either former
	or current US Navy pilot who saw a gigantic triangle pass overhead.
	He said it went from horizon to horizon he estimates in six seconds and it was huge.
	Of course the horizon to horizon time would be controlled to some degree by the altitude.
	Yes.
	But he said it was at considerable altitude, even if it was at a thousand feet, to go through that angle so fast.
	Suggests it must have been moving very rapidly.
	Indeed.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hello there.
	East of the Rockies, going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Maybe I'm not pushing a button correctly here.
	Maybe they're being abducted.
	We've taken some interesting abduction calls.
	Hold on a second, Peter.
	East of the Rockies, let's see if it's working.
	You're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Okay, good.
	I want to be on the air.
	Alright, where are you?
	Wichita, Kansas.
	Alright, go ahead.
	And I know what the, um, I know what the UFOs are.
	What?
	They're the government's newest and finest equipment.
	I wrote it down just to make sure that I'm sure.
	They're the government's newest and finest equipment looking for anything and anyone that could hurt officials and the U.S.
	government and the good citizens of the United States.
	Alright, well that sounds a little...
	Well, I don't know.
	and a lot of people are paranoid about the black helicopters and about a lot of things
	that come and go in our skies that we can't identify. What do you say to that, Peter?
	Well, I don't know. What the interaction between these ships and our government may be, I have
	no idea at this point. Again, we're sort of out of my league on this one.
	We perform a very simple service here at the center.
	We're a clearinghouse for information.
	We don't do that much analysis, although I spend a great deal of my time thinking on these matters, but I'd rather not conjecture.
	Well, that's good.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Whoops, would have been wildcard line, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Good evening, this is Fritz from Phoenix.
	Yes, Fritz.
	Hard and bitter not the appearing and disappearing on UFOs has come up so many times a subject.
	More and more lately, yes.
	This is just my experience.
	For many years now, 10, 20, 30 years, ordinary people now went out with their cameras and took pictures of the
	scenery.
	And when the film was developed, the film picked up the UFO, but yet the photographer could never see the UFO.
	That's right.
	Well, that, that would lead, uh, give some credence to, uh, what Linda Howe's been saying about it affecting the human eye.
	Now, something else.
	Over the years, many children have seen the vision of Mary.
	Let's just say, Fatima and Medjugorje.
	They have been parapsychologically adjusted, I would say, cosmically.
	Why do the children see the vision of Mary and the bystanders don't see it?
	So it's the same phenomenon.
	I don't know.
	There's no way to answer that, of course.
	No way Peter can answer that either.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Good evening, Art.
	Wally from Seattle.
	Hello, Wally.
	Question.
	Starting out with your part of the program earlier with the sightings in McMinnville, the explosion.
	Yes.
	It's always difficult, I guess, to come up with the hard evidence of the saucers themselves or UFOs.
	Did they find any physical evidence that fell into civilian hands?
	And number two, did they ever identify, did anyone, the law enforcement people ever identify who the law enforcement agency people were from the government?
	The ones that are always so hard to find out about?
	That is an excellent question.
	I wish I had definitive answers to the questions.
	As far as I know, they did not find material, although I got a call on Friday that allegedly somebody has been found who found some material in her yard that she thought might have been related to the explosion.
	One of the difficult things we face in this matter is that apparently the state and local officials have been prevailed upon by the federal agents or employees or whoever they are, who have apparently brought pressure to bear against these people.
	At least that's my understanding from this distance in Seattle, and I'm getting very, very good information from some very capable investigators down there, both UFO investigators and others.
	But we don't have any hard evidence other than an eight-page fax.
	And that's one of the things, by the way, that I am willing to provide to our listeners.
	If they send a self-addressed stamped envelope with enough postage for about four or five ounces of material and a list of the things that they might like to have, some of the sighting reports and I'm just touching on a few of the reports.
	I have 14 pages.
	I'm telling you, Peter, you're going to have to be careful here.
	You're talking to a lot of people and you may get more than you wish for.
	I understand that, Art.
	I feel a compulsion to communicate to my fellow citizens the true essence of The material that is coming into the hotline, it is just flabbergasting.
	If they are willing to write a check for a sampler package and they will send a self-addressed stamped large 10 by 13 inch envelope, I will see to it that they get copies of the sighting reports, and if they want a copy of this McMinnville, the facts I received with regard to the McMinnville explosion, I will send them a copy of that.
	Okay, give out the address, Peter.
	It is PO Box 45623, University Station, and that's Seattle, Washington.
	The zip code is 98145.
	Do it again.
	P.O.
	Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington.
	The zip code is 98145.
	Send it to my attention, the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.
	And enclose a check and a self-addressed stamped envelope and I will stuff it full with interesting articles, citing reports.
	Enclose a check for how much?
	For ten dollars.
	Ten dollars.
	And I'm on that subject.
	I am within a month of starting a monthly newsletter that will be nothing but four to eight pages of descriptions of the reports that come into the hotline.
	It will be available very soon and we also have a 30 minute video that was done just
	in December of this year, an interview with me.
	We just yesterday obtained the copyrights to it from the television studio that was
	involved in the production of it.
	$14.95, send us a check and a couple dollars for mailing and handling.
	It's 30 minutes of an interview with me talking about many of the individual cases I've not had a chance to even touch on during this program.
	And the one thing it includes is a number of shots of the written reports and the illustrations of ships that have been described to us over the hotline over the last six months.
	Alright.
	It is stunning.
	Alright, very good.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	My name is Nick.
	Yes, Nick.
	Where are you?
	I live in Rockton.
	Where?
	Illinois.
	Oh, yes, okay.
	Um, I was wondering, um, what exactly do you do, Mr. Davenport?
	Peter's fine.
	I'm the most informal person I know.
	Okay.
	What do you do when government agents confront you?
	I have.
	Fortunately, I have not had that experience.
	I don't anticipate it.
	Most of the federal people that I've had the pleasure of dealing with, FAA people, military people, have just been a study in discretion and professionalism.
	I think we're very lucky, for example, to have the FAA people we have.
	But nobody's confronted me to this point.
	I've been doing it for six months.
	On our wildcard line, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Tom in Seattle.
	Hello, Tom.
	Hi, Peter.
	Hi, Tom.
	It seems like with such a high degree of technology that we must be dealing with, that there might very well be a great deal at stake militarily, not allowing potential enemies to gain an advantage over us.
	Regarding what you said about it being time for the federal government to come clean about this, that yes.
	Seems like the United States military, which has protected us for so long, might deserve more trust than that.
	I don't know what to think of the military.
	You touch on a number of calls that I have taken since August reporting to the hotline that witnesses see U.S.
	military jet fighters in pursuit of some of these objects.
	I took a stunning call in mid-October, I believe it was, from Farmington, Maine.
	Two gentlemen saw four UFOs come in from all four points of the compass and stop instantly in a formation.
	Before five or ten minutes had passed, they reported several jet fighters came into the area and started circling the formation of objects in the night sky, again over Farmington, Maine.
	I had a similar report from Cottonwood, California.
	It's about 160 miles up I-5, north of Sacramento in California.
	Again, we've taken a lot of calls from there.
	A young fellow called to report that he had a number of very, very strange objects performing
	very strange aerobatics in the night sky, and he reported that U.S. military aircraft
	came into the area, but they were A-4 Skyhawks.
	That is almost an antique jet airplane today, and he had a very good look at them.
	He seemed to know aircraft very well.
	I used to serve as a flight instructor.
	So I know aircraft to some degree, and he described the A-4 Skyhawk perfectly.
	Why in heaven's name our government or military would be using an A-4 Skyhawk to pursue craft like these, that I agree with your statement, Tom, they must have astonishing flight capabilities.
	Why the military would be using those aircraft, I can't imagine.
	Yeah, we've had a number of reports of military pursuing these things.
	Alright, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport, hi.
	Yeah, I'd like to talk to him.
	Alright, where are you?
	Wichita, Kansas.
	Didn't you just call a little while ago?
	Well, you hung up on me.
	I did, and it's one call per show is the rule.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport, hi.
	Hello Peter and to Rick who's listening in in Seattle.
	Good evening.
	I'm just wondering what is wrong with the concept of state secrets when it comes to Air Force technology and future design?
	Why do we have to report everything as the UFO if we know that they're Air Force stuff?
	Well of course the answer is we don't know, do we Peter?
	No we don't, and I seriously doubt whether our Air Force, our military, or any military on this planet has craft that they are willing to fly over civilian areas That are capable of hovering, that give off the most astonishingly bright lights.
	It just doesn't make an ounce of sense to me that if it is our military that is flying these aircraft, that they would be flying them in such a cavalier fashion over populated areas.
	Hey Peter, what if they came to you, what if the Feds came to you and said, These are U.S.
	experimental aircraft.
	These are official state secrets.
	It's a matter of national security, Mr. Davenport.
	We want you to back off.
	That is a good question, Art.
	I feel a very serious responsibility to my country, most of all to my fellow countrymen.
	Would you back off?
	I don't believe I would.
	All right.
	Peter, wow, what an answer.
	We're going to break here for news at the top of the hour.
	You're listening to Dreamland from the high desert.
	I'm Art Bell.
	We'll be right back.
	Peter Davenport.
	Peter, are you there?
	I am here.
	All right.
	A lot of calls for you, Peter.
	Let us begin with our new live station in Hawaii.
	Where are you calling from?
	Hello there!
	Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Let's try it now.
	Are you there?
	Yes, sir, I am.
	Where are you?
	I'm actually in Oahu, in Waikiki Beach.
	Okay, very good.
	Well, quite frankly, the question I had for the guest is, he was talking about how the government would hide something, not saying that they are or are not, but what about the religious implications of this?
	it's not that i'm a religious fanatic but just what would happen if the
	christians are the catholics are the islams would realize that
	you know it didn't all start with that and there's life outside yes it is a
	The social implications of the realization that we are being visited, the religious implications, a lot of people, Peter, and I know it's true because I talk to them, would go absolutely bonkers.
	Yes.
	I'm a little concerned by that, but I'm delighted by the question.
	The gentleman has put some thought into his question.
	One of the influences this job, this last six months, has had on me is to evoke in me an enhanced interest in religious affairs.
	I believe, and this is now only an opinion, I believe that the phenomenon that I am taking calls about almost every hour of the day cannot be separated from government affairs, It's a very interesting question.
	It's fun to muse on, but that is not my job to conjecture or to try to suggest people they change their lives in any particular way.
	My job is simply to, and I am now dedicated to this, the job has taken me over the last six months.
	I feel that my responsibility to my fellow countrymen is to take these calls, accept the information through written reports as well, to filter it to a minimal degree, and to get it out to those Americans who would like to know what is really going on.
	With regard to the preface to your question, I have no proof that our government is out deceiving us.
	But if they are, let me say that it is my objective to do an end run around them, the way Schwarzkopf went around the Iraqis, to see to it that those American citizens, my neighbors if you will, who would like to know more about this phenomenon, have access to accurate, reliable information.
	Good enough.
	East of the Iraqis, your turn with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Yes, my name is Ronald.
	I'm calling from Albuquerque.
	Yes, Ronald.
	Would you please elaborate on what you mentioned earlier about the sighting that you had here on Friday evening, and I'll hang up and listen to you.
	Who are you referring to?
	To Peter, didn't you say?
	I did indeed.
	You heard me correctly.
	Would you like to hear the report I took from New Mexico on Friday night, two nights ago?
	It's about 54 seconds long.
	Would you like to hear it?
	Caller?
	Oh, I guess the caller's already gone.
	I'd like to hear it.
	Go ahead.
	Here we go.
	This is New Mexico.
	This is 7 o'clock, last Friday night, about 50 hours ago.
	Hang on.
	Calling from Albuquerque, New Mexico.
	The Flight Control Center for the Federal Aviation Administration of Albuquerque International gave me this number.
	This evening on State Highway 44 approximately 10 miles west of Bernalillo, New Mexico approximately 40 miles northwest of Albuquerque, New Mexico on a dark strip of highway myself and three other vehicles were paralleled by a dark unlit flying object that took a bank turn Yes.
	It banked away from us, then banked back towards us and shot in front of us.
	And I would estimate it went from around 50 miles per hour to over a couple hundred miles per hour.
	That's a tenth of a second.
	It left a streamer of a phosphorous and green light behind it.
	I feel really stupid reporting this because I've never done this before in my life.
	Our caller asked about Albuquerque.
	That was two days ago.
	And that was, again, a phosphorescent green trail, he said.
	Alright.
	Go ahead.
	Alright, fascinating.
	We're so short on time here and there are so many people.
	West of the Rockies, you're on with Peter Davenport.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	Honolulu.
	Alright, good.
	Hey, Peter, I've got a question for you.
	Yes, sir.
	I work for the military.
	I'm in the Navy.
	I'm a cryptologist.
	I work with sensitive compartmented information and stuff.
	I've been looking for years for evidence in the realms of classified areas and stuff.
	for you know a conspiracy or whatever that the government is trying to do
	yes you understand what i'm saying yes i haven't been able to find any i
	personally believe that they they are hiding information or withholding
	information from us but i can't find any evidence yes to prove that and i have
	access to that kind of information yes that's it's very frustrating well uh
	stan freedman has dealt with this issue very very well um
	The government clearly does have information in its possession that it is not sharing with its citizens.
	We pay their six-figure salaries and they turn around and either give us new information
	or lie to us.
	I too used to work in military intelligence.
	I used to be a Russian translator for the U.S. Army, Army Security Agency in West Germany.
	I worked on the border.
	I had access to some interesting information.
	I never saw a trace of this subject whatsoever.
	I saw my first UFO over St.
	Louis Airport in the summer of 1954.
	It took me 36 years to see my next one.
	I'm not surprised that some people don't see them or don't see information about them.
	One more question for you, Peter.
	Yes, sir.
	I realize you're short on time.
	There's a couple of shows on Fox.
	Of course, there's the X-Files, and then there's the Encounters and Sightings.
	Yes.
	In your opinion, how credible do you, or how much credit do you give, you know, Sightings and Encounters for trying to put forth an objective story on the issue?
	Alright, that's a good question.
	I'm really not a fair judge.
	Some of their programs have been very, very interesting to me.
	The article about the blast over Tunguska in Siberia on the 30th of June, 1908, I've read about it for 26 years now.
	I have a friend from Seattle who was just there last July on the blast site.
	He discovered some very interesting things.
	On that particular show that I believe Wood Sighting showed, I thought it was an excellent report.
	There was another, Peter, on a similar show, it may have been sightings, about the UFO that hovered above the Russian ICBM site and actually caused the ICBM to go into its launch sequence.
	Yes.
	We have here in the state of Washington, in our state chapter of MUFON, Mutual UFO Network, a gentleman who's a retired military officer from the U.S.
	Air Force.
	He tells a similar story about one or more ICBM silos out in Montana.
	Oh my God.
	Did he say that they actually went into launch sequence?
	I think I would rather let him tell his own story.
	I don't want to try to parrot or paraphrase his story.
	But suffice it to say that some very interesting things happened out in Montana.
	I believe it was Montana rather than North Dakota.
	This man is a very serious-minded man who held a great deal of responsibility at one point.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	I'm calling from Whitewater, Wisconsin.
	Welcome to the program.
	My name is Justin.
	Yes.
	Hello, Peter.
	Hi, Justin.
	Well, as an ordinary citizen, I find all of this to be a little scary.
	And I was wondering, I just admire you for being able to do what you do.
	Well, thank you.
	I wish I could do what you are doing.
	It's hard work, Justin.
	It is scary because, you know, the average person hasn't seen any of this.
	Yes, yes.
	Let me tell you a story.
	Since you're calling from Wisconsin, I'm pulling a file here for the 3rd of February, Friday.
	Friday morning, the 3rd of February at 6.05, 6.06 a.m., I took a call from Maribel, Wisconsin.
	It's near Denmark, up in the northeast corner of Wisconsin.
	A woman called to describe an hour's sighting they had over your wonderful state, and I've been to Wisconsin.
	It is beautiful.
	They were treated to an hour's display during the last 30 minutes of the display of bullet-shaped ships that had the most incredible flight characteristics she had ever seen, and this woman had never seen a UFO.
	The objects, they alleged, were being pursued by U.S.
	military jet fighter aircraft over the horizon.
	About three hours later, I took another call from Traverse City, Michigan, up in the northwestern corner of the southern portion of Michigan.
	That same night, while people in Wisconsin were watching these craft streak from horizon to horizon overhead, Four children were out sledding on a hill not far from Traverse City.
	They came running back to their home, reporting to their mother that they had seen a saucer that had streaked in out of the night sky, hovered above them, and bathed them in a white light.
	They went running home, and I won't go into the fine detail, but my suspicion, and I believe now the mother's realization and suspicion, is that there was some kind of interaction between that ship and those four children.
	The evidence is overwhelming.
	Just this afternoon, I talked with a gentleman from Traverse City, a very responsible man who had worked for NASA down at Cape Kennedy, on the Saturn V, I presume.
	He described to me the object that he saw that very night, that evening on the 2nd of February, Thursday night.
	He reported it to the local Air Force facility in Traverse City and he called the Air Force Recovery Coordination Center at Langley, Virginia.
	They were the ones, Langley was the first one to call me about this series of sightings.
	So, what do you say, again, on behalf of the last caller, the last fellow who called, until I had my sighting, and that's recently in my life, and I'm almost half a century here, I thought that a lot of this myself was crazy, and that people like yourself and other people were crazy as loons, and So what do you have to say to people who's, you know, they're just maybe listening to Dreamland for the first time and they're going, oh my God, what is all this?
	These people have got to be nuts.
	Yes.
	I was born in Missouri, Art.
	That makes me a member of the Show Me state.
	I feel the same way.
	I don't, and moreover, I'm a scientist by academic training.
	I don't believe things unless I can see them, touch them, feel them, repeat them, and so on.
	Right.
	But I defy, again, anybody to look at the volume of data that I am looking at and say that there is nothing to it, that all of these are hoaxes, all of these are mistaken identity, or something along those lines.
	What percentage of them do you think are?
	I believe probably a substantial percentage are twinkling stars.
	I dread a clear night because we are inundated between midnight and six with people who always describe it in the southeast sky, it's red, blue, green, it's shifting back and forth.
	I know the very star because I can go outside and look at it.
	I do not criticize these people.
	I, in February of 1990, was down in Baja California and was very badly humbled, very badly mistaken by a twinkling star that caused me to invite everybody in the bar outside to look at a UFO hovering in the night sky.
	I was dead wrong and it was a very good lesson for me.
	So I do not criticize these people.
	We got a lot of mistaken identity.
	Some of these advertising lights with the four oscillating barrels on them give us some calls.
	There's a new type of laser-based advertising light that gives people a start now and again.
	Peter, there was actually a program not long ago to launch space billboards.
	Do you recall that?
	I do, indeed.
	Can you imagine if they got a billboard up there, actually in orbit, going around and around, your job would become impossibly difficult.
	I would not get any sleep at all.
	I sometimes think that movie, Sleepless in Seattle, was made for me.
	I took an interesting, that gives rise to a very interesting call I took from Houston.
	A gentleman was claiming that there was something following our shuttle.
	He was really agitated.
	He was correct.
	It was our shuttle that was up in November that had a tethered satellite.
	He had very good vision.
	And he was exactly correct.
	There were two objects going overhead in the night sky.
	Now that is good vision.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi, my name is Pete.
	Hi, Pete.
	I live in St.
	Louis.
	Yes, Pete.
	Well, I was abducted a few weeks ago, and I was scared to tell anyone.
	Yes.
	I believe a lot of this is taking place, Pete.
	The calls that I get come in great numbers, relatively speaking.
	I am inclined to believe the stories from people who are telling stories like yours.
	The only thing I can say is that we have no evidence that people have been harmed or badly harmed.
	They've been scared, but not badly harmed.
	Oh, I was terrified.
	Alright, well I'm sure you were, and a lot of people have been. I've talked to a lot of people that frankly were just,
	you know, frozen with terror and have been abducted and the abduction stories go on and on and on and on.
	Yes.
	What do you make out of it?
	I took a very interesting call.
	I was on radio down in Los Angeles for about a 20-minute interview.
	It was Tuesday, the 18th of October.
	I was on the phone for 10 hours that day with people calling me to tell me about their experiences.
	They had had abduction experiences.
	One gentleman had been hitchhiking from the Northwest down to Las Vegas in the summer of 1980.
	He and a buddy.
	They'd gotten out of a van that was being driven carelessly.
	They decided to hitchhike or walk.
	And they ran into a couple of saucers in the Nevada desert.
	And the one gentleman who called me had not remembered a single glimmer of it until he heard my voice on the radio that morning.
	I think it's taking place.
	There was a very interesting abduction scenario in Santa Cruz, California on the first of August.
	A young woman, her husband, their son, up on a mountaintop just north of the optical telescope down there in the mountains above Santa Cruz.
	They were blinded by a flash of light in the dark night sky.
	It was a clear sky.
	They were standing out on a mountaintop on their way to their home and it call, the woman began to awaken during her telephone call
	with me, began to awaken to some of her memories.
	I have it on tape.
	It was a very touching, stirring telephone call.
	One of the things we are able to do and one of the gratifications I get from this job
	is we are able to help people who have been scared by these things or more often people
	who do not believe their own eyes.
	I find it terribly rewarding to hear people report Tremendous relief to know that somebody else in their area saw the same thing.
	Of course.
	Your UFO reporting line is open right now, and you're willing to take calls from anywhere, correct?
	We are, but I would like to comment on that, Art.
	We are one telephone line.
	We can be swamped very, very easily for the time being.
	I am in the process.
	One of my responsibilities to this center is to expand it vastly.
	We have to limit our telephone calls to current sightings only.
	We cannot take calls about the strange lights Aunt Mehitable saw Christmas of ought six
	after her second glass of sherry.
	Yeah, and I'm sure you also can't take collect calls, but, uh, otherwise, go ahead and give out the number again, please.
	The number for the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle is area code 206-722-3000.
	We prefer calls during business hours.
	We prefer past sightings in written form to the address I gave out earlier and will give out again.
	But, uh, if you haven't had a current sighting, please give a call.
	We'd like to know about it.
	Sometimes we have to be very terse and laconic and brief, but, uh, please understand.
	Fine.
	I do understand.
	Thank you.
	Uh, stay right where you are.
	Peter, we'll be right back.
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	Call Art now, toll free at 1-800-618-8255.
	1-800-618-TALK.
	First time callers, area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Or the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295.
	727-1295.
	In the 702 area code.
	First time callers, area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Or the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295.
	727-1295.
	In the 702 area code.
	Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Here I am.
	Here I am.
	Could you please announce, Art, the call letters and frequency of the station in Houston that's going to carry Dreamland?
	I was discussing your show with some people on America Online, and they're interested in listening.
	It's KTRH Radio in Houston.
	They'll begin carrying the program Houston time at 1 o'clock tomorrow morning.
	And I've got a very interesting facts here for Mr. Davenport in just a moment.
	Reminding you, east of the Rockies, our number is 1-800-825-5033.
	Please inform Mr. Davenport that the A-4 Skyhawk jet was the last U.S. fighter.
	fighter aircraft that relied totally on physical, mechanical flight surface controls and was not susceptible to electronic interference, electromagnetic interference, in surface control servos and motors.
	This is a good reason to use such planes in an environment where electromagnetic effects might be used against them by the UFO.
	Bill in Bremerton, what do you think?
	You talking to me?
	Yes, I am.
	I like the comment.
	I had come to the same conclusion.
	The A-4 Skyhawk is known as the jet with seven levers, and I had come to the same conclusion.
	I am delighted by this person's call, because it serves to confirm A suspicion on my part, I suspect that there, because the A-4 fly, flew, flies, through the use of steel cables, as opposed to fly-by-wire mechanisms,
	That would be an excellent choice for a plane to pursue.
	Unfortunately, its flight characteristics are not very impressive.
	It's not a very fast aircraft.
	It is very maneuverable.
	That's why the Blue Angels flew it for years and years to great success.
	Thank you for that comment.
	Certainly makes sense.
	It was a fax, by the way.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Where are you calling from?
	From Greenville, South Carolina.
	This is Steve.
	Yes.
	Good to talk to you again.
	Hello, Peter.
	Good evening.
	Well, my comment and my question is that it doesn't matter what you turn on the TV today.
	Cartoons, regular programming, commercials for tacos.
	We're just inundated with images of flying saucers.
	They're being portrayed in good, bad, just comical situations.
	I mean, everything.
	I've noticed the same.
	I like your observation.
	Are we being... Conditioned?
	Conditioned.
	Yes, Art.
	That's my question.
	Okay, good.
	It's a good one.
	Are we?
	I'm not a specialist in this field, but I think on this subject a great deal.
	We have a young fellow up here who's a member of MUFON who is an outstanding artist.
	He's worked with alleged abductees.
	And some of the images that he has drawn As described by these abductees are very similar to many of the characters on television.
	The gentleman who calls clearly has his mind open and his eyes open.
	I have to compliment him.
	I agree with that observation.
	It has me wondering too.
	It's almost as if somebody is attempting to get us ready for something.
	But that is sheer surmise on my part.
	Alright, well I'm glad you're willing to do a little of that anyway.
	On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Michael from Wichita, Kansas.
	Good evening, Michael.
	I just have one question.
	I travel back and forth from Europe a couple of times every year.
	And is there anything from the European side?
	Do you have any reports, any concentrated sightings over in Europe?
	Alright, it's a good question.
	We get all the reports here.
	What about elsewhere?
	Not just Europe, but the Orient?
	Anywhere else?
	We have gotten a few international sightings.
	Several from South America.
	Regrettably, I've not been able to handle them as well as I would have liked because of my broken Spanish.
	We've taken some calls from South Africa.
	I was on Johannesburg Radio following a major flap down there.
	That is one of the very frustrating things about this job is that these events are taking place.
	But we don't yet have an infrastructure that collects all of them and disseminates them to those people who are interested.
	Well, let me make a suggestion, Peter.
	Do you yet have an internet address?
	No.
	That's one of the things that I plan to do in the very near future as we expand.
	To put it simply, Art, what I want to do, what I am dedicated to, is receiving these reports over the telephone and through the mail.
	Uh, processing them and making them available in semi-raw form.
	We strip out names, addresses, and phone numbers, of course, to guarantee anonymity.
	That has been a 20-year policy of the Center, and we've adhered to it very successfully and plan to continue the same.
	Absolutely.
	we'd soon within a month or two i hope to have any uh...
	have this information on the internet it'd be a good way to get uh... written
	reports worldwide absolutely and uh... if we get the resource to expand this
	line and i'll be talking about that shortly
	we hope to be on internet We hope to have fax, possibly a 1-900 fax arrangement such that people can get the latest data on UFO reports.
	We hope to even have shortwave, and we will be wired for sound, if you will.
	Alright.
	We can, if anybody sees a UFO, they'll know where to call, and if they want UFO information, they'll know where to call.
	Good enough.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Good evening.
	My name is Larry.
	I'm calling from Grass Valley, California.
	Yes, Larry.
	I've been a UFO enthusiast for many years, and I just wanted to let people know that there are some publications.
	One comes from Sedona, called the Sedona Journal of Emergence, and they report on Tom Dongo down there, who is a researcher and has a team constantly scanning the night skies.
	The journal reports a lot of this, and of course the information in the journal is channeled information.
	In other words, these are light beings that are channeling through Earth entities, reporting that information.
	Also, there's a publication out there now called, You Are Becoming a Galactic Human, which offers an awful lot of insight into the phenomenon that we're being exposed to, and also introducing us to the idea that after the summer solstice of this year, there's going to be mass landings.
	Alright, well we've heard that from a number of other people.
	There are massive numbers of publications out there.
	Are there any that you particularly prefer, Peter?
	I've always liked the Flying Saucer Review.
	I don't know if it's still published.
	I am a member of the Mutual UFO Network, so I get the UFO Journal.
	UFO Magazine, I am grateful to them.
	They just carried a short article about us.
	There are a lot of good publications but what I prefer to read is the older books out of the 30s, 40s and 50s and some of the old newspaper articles.
	I've got about a half a dozen very interesting newspaper articles that go back a hundred years.
	And those are the things that I find to be tremendously interesting.
	The UFO phenomenon has not changed in the 20th century from what it was or has been in the past, in my opinion.
	But there are a great many good publications.
	KUFOS, I forgot to mention them, an excellent organization.
	I just got a call from Mark Roddiger, who's the head of it.
	He and I are going to be in touch here soon.
	They have an excellent publication, very factual.
	Their organization is excellent.
	All right.
	Here's a good question for you.
	people look into becoming members of move on which is based in texas
	a lot of the church is alright here's a good question for you with all of these
	uh... increasing numbers of sightings with all of the media attention
	is there some sort of critical mass do you suppose
	Where there'll be a general realization that all of this actually is going on.
	A critical mass.
	You know, that's another good question.
	Some people are sending us some good questions.
	I am confused by the press.
	That's my question.
	One phenomenon I have observed over the last six months is that members of local press are fascinated with this in many cases, most cases.
	They love to cover it.
	They're calling me all the time.
	Members of the downtown press, the people who need hairspray to report the news,
	they can't be less interested in the subject.
	It is a fascinating phenomenon.
	I don't understand it.
	It's happened on a number of occasions.
	We've tried to get some good, hard-nosed, factual information into the big-time press, and they just yawn and turn the other way.
	I don't understand it.
	Alright, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Jerry from Michigan.
	Yes, Jerry.
	Where in Michigan are you?
	Lansing.
	Lansing, alright.
	I wanted to ask Peter if he had ever heard of any cases that may be proved that, um, These ships were coming from underground civilizations?
	Oh yes, and we've had a number of reports of underground activity near Mount Shasta as well.
	Yes, I heard a gentleman call into your show on Thursday night at 1134 Art, with his question about Mount Shasta, but let me go back to the caller's question.
	Very good question.
	I have taken some very mysterious calls alleging that UFOs have been seen to sink into the ground.
	We had a case out here in Spokane.
	A woman called me to report that.
	There have been a lot of cases.
	The Monterey, California Public Library has a folder on the strange sounds that are coming out of Monterey Bay.
	And I just got a report recently that the same thing is happening at Loma Linda.
	We don't have a lot of time, so let's keep moving west of the Rockies.
	You're on air with Peter Davenport.
	in the bay, whether those sounds have anything to do with the UFO phenomenon, I don't know.
	But the question is intriguing. I wish I had a better answer for the caller.
	Alright, we don't have a lot of time, so let's keep moving.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Yes, my question is, why were you chosen to do this work for the UFO community?
	Alright, it is a good one.
	Were you chosen?
	Were you appointed?
	How did you get this job?
	I was not appointed.
	I approached Bob Gribble when he decided that it was time to slowly get out of the field of UFO research, and to my great amazement and great pleasure, he said, Peter, take it over.
	And if I had known what I was going to do to my life by taking responsibility for this hotline and this center, I might have reconsidered at that point.
	When I took it over in August of 94, I was expecting one, two, or three calls per week.
	I'm taking one, two, or three dozen calls per day.
	That is what it has done to me.
	That's part of the reason I'm compelled to expand the hotline.
	We hope to do it through a newsletter.
	That's one of the things I would like to announce tonight before we break.
	That's one of the reasons we have to expand the center because I feel like a 12-volt system that's being asked to carry 220 volts now.
	We have been able to do it by dint of hard work and dedication as well as donations by some very generous people up here who have seen the merits of this hotline, who have been willing to chip in 5, 10, 100 bucks to see to it that our phone bill gets met and that we can keep doing it.
	But why I was chosen, divine intervention or not, I don't know.
	Going back to a comment earlier, this whole last six months on the hotline has evoked in me a tremendous interest in religion.
	It happens to be Christianity in my case, although I have a profound respect for all religions.
	But I don't know why I was chosen to do this, but it is a job that I rise to, a challenge that I rise to.
	I feel imbued with a special responsibility to my fellow American citizens.
	I always have.
	I think that's the most direct answer to the question.
	Okay, so how can they help?
	Well, I'm going to, within the next month, I'm going to start a monthly newsletter which I announced earlier.
	If people would like to send a check for $50 to the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, that will give them the last six months of very informal sighting reports that I have prepared principally for MUFON meetings up here in Seattle.
	We have a monthly meeting in the state of Washington in MUFON.
	It will give them a year's subscription to our newsletter which again will start in the next month.
	We have some software engineers giving me a great deal of help in getting this going.
	The contribution will also get you about a half a dozen very interesting newspaper articles.
	Also extracts from Christopher Columbus's logs in 1492.
	I got them from the University of Washington.
	I have excerpts.
	I invite people to read Christopher Columbus's logs from his first voyage in August of 1492.
	You believe that he was guided to the new land by an object, don't you?
	I don't know, but I invite people to read what he himself had to write about what they saw over the Atlantic 503 years ago and make up their own minds.
	That's fascinating.
	But he talks about a huge mound of water.
	Their compasses were seen to swing 120 degrees inexplicably.
	Any pilot, ship or aviation, knows that the magnetic compass is your most reliable instrument.
	They saw a star rise in the west and set to the east one night.
	That's the wrong direction for a star to fly, and there were no satellites 500 years ago.
	I have a very interesting article from 1893, the Tacoma Ledger.
	For those people who like to dig it out themselves, July 3rd, 1893, the Tacoma Washington Ledger.
	It is about an 800 or 1000 page article about a group of fishermen who went out fishing and they ran into what they call the electric monster.
	It made their watches stop.
	It could shoot out blue water that knocked them unconscious and it submerged in Puget
	Sound and they could see the light as it swam off.
	Fifty dollars, I'll send you those articles.
	You'll have a subscription to the UFO monthly newsletter and we will acknowledge those people
	who contribute fifty dollars or more as founding members for the expansion of the National
	UFO Hotline.
	I expect to be here in 20 years from now, doing this job, getting this information out to... Well, in that case, you'll have a chance to be a guest here many more times.
	I look forward to it.
	West of the Rockies, with almost no time, you're on the air with Peter Davenport.
	Hi.
	Hello. Hello, Art. Yes. How are you doing? I'm okay, sir.
	And good evening to your guests also, Peter. I'm calling from Puyallup, Washington. Yes, good
	evening. And a fascinating subject.
	One thing I haven't heard of, though, in a long time is that I remember before when I used to
	hear UFO stories, I always heard stuff about men in black.
	Yep. Oh, yes.
	I'm wondering if it still goes on.
	We don't know who the men in black are.
	Are they U.S.
	government agents?
	Are they aliens?
	I don't know.
	wondering uh...
	if it still goes on alright good point good question uh...
	men in black i remember that
	are you getting anything more about it uh... we don't know who the men are in black are are they u
	s government agents are they alien i don't know there's a body of literature i'd
	directly gentleman to
	and uh...
	that's one of the subjects we may be talking about the seminar
	coming up in seattle on the fifth of march at seattle center
	That's Sunday, the 5th of March.
	If they have any questions or if they'd like to come and hear some more tape recordings of calls, they can call in Seattle 726-3935.
	We'll talk about Men in Black and other subjects as well.
	Well, okay, Peter, I guess that's going to about do it.
	Do you have any final words for everybody out there who are seeing, people who are seeing these things?
	What do you say to them?
	I say they should believe their eyes.
	Most of all, they should record accurately, factually, document what they're seeing, get friends, family members to see them.
	Most of all, get them on film.
	A video camera, if people have camcorders, make sure the batteries are charged, make sure there's film in it or handy, and be ready to film these things.
	Photographic evidence is...
	Very difficult to dispute.
	And most of all, give us a call if you see something.
	And if people would like to submit past reports, going back decades even, write them down on one side of one sheet of paper.
	Typed is preferable so we can scan it into a computer automatically.
	We're going to start building a database.
	It's one of the things computers allow us to do.
	And in closing, Art, I think I'd like to express my gratitude most of all to you for your opportunity that you allowed me.
	Most of all, to those men and women who have called the hotline, we estimate that fewer than one in a hundred people who see a UFO will call anybody.
	I'm sure.
	To the wonderfully professional people in our government, the FAA, law enforcement people, for their cooperation, they have been wonderful.
	Alright, Peter, that's gonna have to do it.
	We're out of time.
	Thank you, and we will have you back.
	Thanks very much, Art.
	Take care.
	That's Peter Davenport.
	And it was a pleasure having him on from the National UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington.
	All right, everybody, we're about out of time here.
	A couple of numbers for you.
	Well, one number.
	We're going to Hong Kong on vacation.
	Anybody wanting to come to Hong Kong has got to act now.
	The number to call at 8 o'clock in the morning is 800-633-2732.
	800-633-2732 1-800-633-2732
	1-800-633-2732.
	And the other item that I want to get out, if you want a copy of this program,
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	On behalf of everybody who makes this program possible, thank you all, and good night.
	This has been Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
	Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not that.
	Yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.

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