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Sept. 25, 1994 - Art Bell

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Dreamland with Art Bell - Close ET Encounters with Dr. Richard Boylan

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	Welcome to Dreamland.
	This is a pre-recorded, previously broadcast program.
	Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not mapped.
	And yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
	This is Dreamland.
	Good evening, everybody.
	It's Sunday evening.
	Welcome to another Dreamland.
	I'm Art Bell and there's a bunch of news to catch you up on and a couple of programming notes and we'll launch as usual with Linda Howe this evening parked in Denver, Colorado.
	First, though, I would like to welcome to, uh, the Dreamland Group, KTUC-AM in Tucson, Arizona.
	KTUC, one of the regular affiliates on the, uh, syndicated program, now joining Dreamland.
	Welcome, Tucson.
	And, uh, the person who had most to do with that, I guess, Mike Gabrielson, who is the program director at KTUC.
	Good to be in Tucson now with, uh, Dreamland.
	Also, W-A-I-V-F-M, the station manager there, Richard Parker in Peru, Illinois.
	So, Richard, thank you for getting us on in Peru, Illinois.
	Welcome to those two affiliates.
	Now totaling 75 as Dreamland... ...of some animal mutilations that have been occurring now in eastern Colorado, making news there again.
	That state has had animal mutilations reported since the late 1960s, and recently there have been four animals reported to the El Paso and Elbert County Sheriff's Office in Colorado.
	Two counties that had literally hundreds of animal mutilations between the 60s and the 80s.
	And another interesting piece of news while this is going on in Colorado is that the Anchorage
	Daily newspaper reported on August 29th that 3,000 caribou in the Alaska Peninsula near
	the community of King Salmon have disappeared and that wildlife biologists with the Alaska
	Department of Fish and Game are puzzled.
	Even many of the caribou had radial collars for scientists to track.
	The newspaper reported that where game experts expected to find a healthy herd of 15,000
	to 20,000 caribou this summer, they can find only 12,000.
	At least 3,000 animals, possibly more, are either dead or missing.
	The Penn Pitcher, the regional wildlife supervisor, was quoted as saying, quote, we just got kind
	of smacked between the eyes with this sudden and inexplicable decline.
	We're just kind of struggling with what is going on here.
	A fish and game veterinarian was involved in helping with the radio collaring and he detected no obvious signs of disease among any of the animals handled by biologists.
	And he said, quote, it's really one of those puzzling things.
	It's a little more mysterious than what they think was a sudden disappearance of the herd a few years ago that was never fully explained.
	So that falls in the category, again, of missing animals.
	And then on September 13th, at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, an eyewitness in New Mexico, north of Las Vegas, New Mexico, reported to the local sheriff that he had found a dead and mutilated cow There was another dead cow nearby that was not cut, and most astonishing of all, a cow was moving across the pasture on its side, with its back moving toward an unusual sound coming from a canyon near the pasture.
	Moving on its side, Linda?
	Moving on its side.
	By itself?
	This was the astonishing part of this eyewitness account and you're going to hear this in a moment.
	He's standing there near the mutilated animal and a dead animal nearby and suddenly one of the cows in the pasture is just comes into his view moving toward and simultaneously with a very odd and loud intense sound that is coming from a nearby canyon and he has a .30-06 rifle Because he's out hunting, as you will hear him explain, he's out hunting some bear.
	He has a .30-06, and he ends up trying to shoot at the sound, and this stops the animal moving.
	But it is still a very strange story, as you will hear as I play this excerpt.
	Oh, alright.
	Wow.
	And then he went up into the mountain.
	Well, because I was hunting bear.
	I was walking through the, uh, through a canyon.
	And it's about, oh, I'd say half a mile away from the house.
	And when I came up on my car, when I saw that thing, it had that hole.
	And it kind of freaked me out.
	And as it kept on getting closer, I saw another car, but it didn't have a hole.
	It didn't have the mouth, you know, ventilator or anything.
	And I was just looking at it, and all of a sudden, I heard that noise.
	Can you describe the noise as best you can?
	The noise to me sounded, I've heard it before, or, you know, when I first came here, it was the middle of the day, about 2 o'clock in the evening, 2 or 3.
	But it didn't freeze me, you know, I didn't think about it.
	And, uh, I just ignored it.
	I looked out, and I looked up toward the canyon, but it was the same area.
	Like, uh, the opposite.
	The area where I had seen that cow, it was, uh, I heard that noise, you know, when I first got here about a month or two months ago.
	And I didn't pay attention.
	I thought it was somebody working, an arc welder or somebody working.
	But it sounds like an arc weld sound.
	It goes... Or something like that.
	But to me, it sounded like an arc weld.
	And that's where the first thing that came into my mind in those few seconds, you know, it just came into my mind about that noise.
	And all at the same time, everything happened so quick.
	When I heard that noise, then all of a sudden I heard the cows that had passed up the canyon.
	I had passed both cows there, quite a few cows.
	And I looked back because I heard the running of the steps.
	And I turned around and I saw them all running in the opposite direction.
	So when I turned, both of you said that I turned back to look at the, to hear, you know, or to look towards where that sound was coming from.
	And as soon as I saw that, I seen a cow that was on the other side of the bench, and when I saw it being pulled, it was on the other side of the bench, but it was being pulled right through the top of the brush, or right through the brush, and I see the cow at a good, maybe, 50 feet, being drugged, and then making a, uh, oh, it wasn't like, it wasn't like an animal that was being tortured, or, Or being, uh... How can I say, uh, explain it, uh... It wasn't like a regular, you know, moaning of a cow, you know?
	It was like an animal being tortured?
	Yeah, it sounded like, uh... Like it was being heard, or... Like it was heard, or... Like it was being tortured, or something.
	Yeah.
	And, now, to get this clear, when you say it's being dragged, do you mean that it's floating off the ground, or it's being dragged on the ground?
	Yeah, it's being, like, just, uh, uh, it wasn't, it was being dragged out of the air.
	The pilot was able to I can't touch the ground with its feet, but sideways.
	The cow was going sideways.
	Okay, now when you say sideways, do you mean that it's back?
	The back was going towards the front.
	The back part of the cow.
	Okay.
	It might get up, but it couldn't get up.
	Okay, now what you mean is it's literally lying on the ground moving sideways?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Well, did you see tracks on the ground where that animal had been dragged?
	There was no tracks.
	And at that point, he lifted up his .30-06 rifle, he said maybe out of instinct, and shot at the sound, or shot
	toward the sound, and the sound stopped and the animal stopped moving.
	Wow.
	And at that point, this man was, uh, upset.
	And he turned around and he said, you know, he had one thing on his mind was to get other people out there to take a look at the situation and to call the sheriff.
	And he ran back to a trailer where he was camped, made the phone call.
	He said it took him about 15 minutes to get to the trailer, made the call to the sheriff, and to the other people ran back and maybe 30 minutes max had elapsed and when he got back there he couldn't believe his eyes that the cow that had been being dragged towards the sound and the other animal that he thought was dead but not cut were gone they were not there anywhere and the only animal in the pasture was the first mutilated animal that he came across
	To make this even more mysterious is that when some of the terrorists and these other people got to the scene they all looked for signs of the animal that was being dragged and for the signs of the other animal and for signs of struggle.
	And the ground was damp from a recent rain, but as this eyewitness said, it was so strange to him because he had watched this with his own eyes, but they couldn't find evidence of this.
	It was as if somebody had come along and vacuumed the grass or something, the way he put it, because there should have been some tracks there.
	We have gotten tissue from the animal that was behind and some other material that we're going to investigate and in the weeks ahead I will try to continue to update this story and for me particularly after 15 years of trying to find out what is happening in the animal mutilation mystery and constantly running into what appears to be at least circumstantial links to something non-human The sound of things like turbines or helicopters or as he's describing here, this welder's arc torch zoom sound.
	have been reported in the past, and things have not been seen in the air.
	And then there are the people who have reported seeing animals going up in beams of light with no sound.
	Any way you cut it, this is an eyewitness report of something that happened recently that does fall into the category of these unusual animal deaths over the last 30-some years.
	Alright, you talked to the man, Linda.
	How would you judge his credibility?
	He is a humble carpenter.
	He does not want anybody to comment where he is.
	He doesn't want to be on hard copy.
	He does not want to do anything.
	This is his most anonymous eyewitness report, which is valid because the newspapers in New Mexico did report this story.
	But he doesn't have anything to gain.
	He very honestly reported it to the Sheriff's Office and reported it to other people because he was so astonished.
	And further, I have had a veterinarian go and examine the animal.
	And there is, from the standpoint of the vet, the jaw was stripped clean in an unusual fashion, as has been reported in all the unusual deaths.
	And he thought that in and around the jaw area that there was signs of a high heat.
	So, again, this is a very puzzling story, but it is consistent with the high strangeness that's been reported in these events in the past.
	All right, well there's that incident, and then we've got the stuff going on in New Mexico, and now you're talking about Colorado.
	I have a question for you, Linda.
	Right.
	As we look out over the years of the kinds of things that you investigate, there have been intense periods of activity.
	Are we in one of those now?
	Yes, I would say that 1989 was the beginning of what seems like a cycle again where it was reported many dozens and dozens of cases in Idaho and other places and then as we got into the 90s there were more mutilations being reported from Canada through more scattered parts of the United States.
	Last year the whole northeastern Alabama story was so filled with lights, with strange helicopters,
	with strange sound helicopters, and with mutilations and people videotaping these odd moving lights
	that you had everything that's been reported over the last 35 years concentrated in Alabama.
	But it also included South Dakota and Canada and England and Scandinavian countries and Germany,
	France in the past three years.
	And now this year, it has been in some ways, we've had some of the highest strangeness
	mutilation cases because Dr. John Altshuler and I are working on this research grant.
	We're able to work with more veterinarians and pathology labs and I have tried to report
	some of the very interesting cases like the Las Vegas and the continuing saga in northern
	New Mexico.
	And in these cases where we've had strange unexplained excisions of skull bone for example,
	with no known way that this could have happened, especially when there was no excision on the
	outside of the head, these kinds of high strangeness cases have definitely been a part of this
	year as much as any time.
	And now we've got an eyewitness to a cow literally moving on its side across the pasture toward A very intense sound coming from a canyon but with nothing visible and these are the, this is what makes this phenomenon so hard to investigate because there are pieces of it that a lot of people say well it just can't be true but it's been going on for 35 years and how it will continue to evolve for the rest of this year is what I'm going to try to keep up with because there are mutilations that are being reported
	Well, I know that you had planned to be home this weekend, this Sunday, and you are not because it's continuing to go on, so off you go on more adventure.
	the way well i know uh... that you would plan to be home this weekend this sunday
	and you are not because it's continuing to go on so great off you go on more adventure what about next sunday
	well i don't know
	Wherever I am, I will try to give you an updated report on the Colorado situation.
	All right.
	Boy, what a report.
	Thank you, Linda.
	Thank you.
	Wonderful.
	Talk to you next Sunday.
	That is Linda Howe.
	And she's on the move.
	This is one of those periods of time of high activity, apparently.
	And she's on the move throughout the U.S.
	West.
	And you just heard Fascinating, absolutely fascinating stuff.
	Dr. Richard Boylan, a practicing clinical and research psychologist, specializing in cases of apparent abductions of humans by aliens, has just published a new book that is rocking the usual placid world of ufology.
	Why all the fuss?
	Well, until now, the predominant view of alien abductions has been that they are traumatic affairs, That caused people great psychological harm?
	Not so, says Dr. Boylan.
	By applying his professional expertise to the more than 100 cases of apparent alien abduction, Dr. Boylan concludes that alien abductions may not be a bad thing for most people.
	In fact, he's found that 59% of the experiencers achieved a positive attitude toward the encounters after a brief adjustment period.
	That's almost 6 out of 10.
	In every case studied, persons who exhibited severe trauma related to UFO events were also found to have experienced human-induced trauma that preceded the abduction experience.
	Reliving the trauma of the alien abduction through hypnosis triggered the release of earlier traumatic memories.
	Hypnotists and researchers who are not professionally trained to make such subtle distinctions are quite likely to confuse the trauma from previous human-induced experiences with the trauma from the abduction and consequently reach unsupportable conclusions about the true nature of alien abductions and their effects on humans.
	In a moment, we'll connect with Dr. Boylan taking an exam.
	Dr. Boylan, are you there?
	Oh, yes, Art.
	Hi, and hello to all our listeners out there.
	It's good to have you back.
	We interviewed you, I think, long ago, didn't we, in the area 2000?
	Well, I'm a clinical psychologist and I also do research and some consulting.
	I am a clinical psychologist and I also do research and some consulting.
	I have a master's in education, a master's in social work and a Ph.D. in business administration.
	in Psychology.
	These degrees are from Fordham and UC Berkeley and UC Davis.
	I've been a former County Mental Health Director.
	I've been a Psychotherapist for 23 years.
	My interest in UFOs stems from 1947 as a little pike.
	I was 8 years old when Kenneth Arnold saw his discoverer Over not where near Washington State and then the Roswell crash made the papers disappointed a little tight when the papers came out the next day and said it was a weather balloon.
	By the way, and we're about at the bottom of the hour, did you believe the recent we lied, here's the real truth, it was a balloon explanation?
	No, and I'll tell you briefly why.
	All right, good.
	Well, fine.
	I want to hear that.
	Hold that explanation.
	We'll do it right after the break.
	Okay.
	And so stay right there.
	Dr. Richard Boylan is my guest.
	Close Extraterrestrial Encounters.
	to see his book more in a moment.
	I hope you enjoyed this video.
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	Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am.
	Good evening, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell.
	My guest is Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Dr. Boylan, are you there, doctor?
	Oh, yes.
	727-1295 in the 702 area code. Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Now again, here I am. Good evening everybody, I'm Art Bell.
	My guest is Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Dr. Boylan, are you there, doctor?
	Oh, yes.
	Alright. You said that you do not believe the recent announcement by the Air Force regarding what happened so
	long ago, back in 1947.
	Why don't you believe it?
	Well, I've got three reasons.
	First of all, in 1947 the Army Air Corps Intelligence Office put out a news release on the National
	Water Service that they had captured a downed extraterrestrial vehicle and took the vessel
	and its dead occupants into custody. The next day they issued a retraction saying it was
	a weather balloon with a radar target dangling from it that fighter pilots would use for
	target practice. Well, subsequent to that, 47 years later, the Air Force a couple of
	Fridays ago said that they lied the last 47 years.
	That it wasn't a balloon with a radar target dangling from the bottom of it.
	It was a balloon with a high-altitude particle sniffer hanging from the bottom of it to detect if the Russians had recently set off a nuclear weapons test.
	That's right.
	Now, there's two problems with that.
	Well, three, actually.
	The first one is that Several years ago, Air Force General Bose went public and said that we concocted the weather balloon story to cover up the fact that we had to get that disk and those dead bodies out of there, and we need to buy time, we don't want everybody crawling all over the place, so we put out the weather balloon story.
	The second problem with it is that, as I understand, the Russians did not begin atomic bomb testing until 1949.
	It didn't make much sense to be sending up a detective for tests in 1947.
	The third reason is that I have been told by a Central Intelligence Agency agent in
	Sacramento who also carries Office of Naval Investigation credentials that I have seen
	personally for myself.
	He told me that there were two crashes in New Mexico.
	One in the Roswell Fossil, which they retrieved and the dead occupants inside, extraterrestrials.
	And another one farther to the west in New Mexico where again the military special unit
	retrieved the downed UFO and its occupants.
	Only one of them was alive and this extraterrestrial was taken into custody and detained and lived
	for several years.
	So those are the three reasons why I don't think the Air Force balloon hoax number two
	is any better of an explanation than Air Force balloon hoax number one was.
	Why then if you look at it from their point of view doctor, it's kind of strange that
	they would bother midway in this giant cover up.
	I think there are two things going on. One is that you have to be able to tell a story.
	I think there are two things going on here. One of which is that you have to be able to
	tell a story. I think there are two things going on here.
	One is that you have to be able to tell a story. I think there are two things going on
	here. One is that you have to be able to tell a story. I think there are two things
	going on here. One is that I'm...
	Government Accounting Office, the Congressional Investigating Body, is hot on the trail of Roswell.
	As you know, Congressman Schiff ordered a study to retrieve the documents from the various agencies on the Roswell Faucet Retrieval, or as he put it more delicately, just what exactly happened at Roswell.
	I have written to my Senator, Senator Feinstein in California, and she has graciously responded and joined congressmanship in ordering the GAO investigation, requesting that I guess would be the correct phrasing.
	By the way, Doctor, where does it go from here?
	Does it now close down because of their explanation?
	Oh, oh, oh no, no, no, let me pursue that.
	So now we've got two, and I understand there's a third congressperson going to join this, The GAO, I have gotten Senator Feinstein was kind enough to send a report from the national and an international security expert for the government accounting office saying that he is now getting full cooperation from the agencies involved and I understand from a usually well informed source
	that they've gotten nine feet of documents from a Department of Defense
	documents catch in the Midwest related to this and are now pouring through those.
	So there's pressure because the truth is going to come out on Roswell
	if anybody still needs to be convinced.
	The second thing is that I think what is going on here is an extremely sophisticated, disinformation, psychological warfare project.
	Here's what I mean by that.
	If you were in the shoes of the cover up folks in the government on the UFO matter, and if you knew that forces were at work as they are with the GAO and so forth, And all these witnesses to Roswell whose depositions have been taken by this Washington, D.C.
	law firm and all ready to go at the minute Congress holds hearings and people are working on having Congress hold those hearings.
	If you knew that all this excrement was in the fan, so to speak, and it's all going to come tumbling out, Then how do you do damage control?
	Well, one of the things you can do is first of all get people used to the idea that the
	government has been lying to them about UFOs and this silly dispatch they put out a couple
	of Fridays ago conditions people by saying we lied for the last 47 years but here is
	a better version of what actually happened.
	Number two, by putting such an absurd, almost identical false explanation for the saucer
	retrieval and the dead extraterrestrial body retrieval out they are to the average person
	beginning to make it very clear that not only has the government lied but the government
	has not been doing a very good job of covering up this with believable alternatives.
	And it's sort of like the story of how you boil a frog.
	You just increase the water temperature one degree at a time, and by the time you reach boiling point, the frog doesn't care because what's one more degree?
	And so the American people, by the time this comes out, they're used to A, the government's been lying to them, and B, that there's pathetic stories that you shouldn't believe, and everybody kind of knows that the government's been covering up this anyway, so that it's more likely to be a big yawn when the final shoe drops.
	Well, I don't know about a big yawn.
	I mean, if the final truth was we lied, they were aliens, I'm not sure that's a yawn.
	Well, you know, the Gallup polls and other polls have indicated that about half or a little better than half the American population believe UFOs are real.
	And I think if you push the same folks another notch, they'd say the people who are piloting them are real.
	And if you push them another notch, I would imagine the majority of those would say there's certainly a strong likelihood that some of those craft have come down and landed on the ground.
	So I go around the country.
	Speaking to people, not only at UFO conferences, but in shopping malls, as I talk about my book of bread.
	I'm hitting a cross-section of America, and I want to tell you, people are not grabbing their hearts and falling over with heart attacks when they get some evidence that UFOs are real.
	Everybody kind of knows.
	You may remember, Art, a couple of years ago in the New Yorker, there was this wonderful cartoon.
	I think it was a couple in their bedroom and the man is being hauled off by four extraterrestrials
	out the door and his wife who is really kind of nonchalant about the whole thing is sitting
	up in bed looking at the TV and her only question to him is he is being hauled off by the four
	ETs is do you want me to take Murphy Brown for you so you can see it when you get back.
	In other words to get that cartoon the American people have to be so used to the game plan
	the drill of how E.T.
	interacts with the Earth.
	encounters go, that a group shows up, they take out the bedroom, you're gone about an hour and you come back, that they would get that cartoon and get the point behind it.
	Well, you're a psychologist.
	You're suggesting we're being conditioned.
	Oh, E.T.
	Let me put it a little starkly.
	Here's as stark as I can put it.
	The UFO cover-up is the largest, single, and longest lasting psychological warfare project in the history of the world.
	The most money has been spent on it, and it has been directed internally at the American public by its own governmental agencies.
	Well, that's stark enough.
	Listen, before we leave Roswell, which we will, you said there was a second crash.
	What can you tell us about that?
	Not a whole lot.
	This individual did not go into more detail.
	I kind of put two and two together with what Randall and Schmidt and Sam Friedman have
	been researching about rumors of a second craft that went down more or less on the plains
	of San Agustin near Dayton where we now have the National Radio Astronomy Observatory,
	the largest complex of radio deep space listening dishes in the world and sending dishes. That's
	another story. There are conflicting reports about said craft but there are some indications
	that people saw some activity out that way.
	All I'm saying is that this CIA official who had nothing to gain by pumping additional data in my head volunteered this up when he was trying to infiltrate into my research group.
	Infiltrate?
	Well, he wanted to attend meetings that were designed for people who had E.T.
	experiences and didn't have one.
	I would imagine he was doing it on Uncle Sam's dime.
	Uh-huh.
	Fascinating.
	All right.
	You've written a book called Close Extraterrestrial Encounters.
	You've researched, what, about 100 cases?
	Well, 130 cases now plus.
	130.
	131 is going to walk in this week.
	And these are the ones I've talked to at length, not just quick phone calls or quarter conversations.
	Well, you're a very bright guy with very impressive credentials, and so my question I think is meaningful.
	Through all this research, this is sort of a cover statement, have you concluded absolutely, without question, in your own mind, this is real, we are being visited, they are here, or have been here, or are coming?
	What have you concluded?
	Well, to answer that we have to go to a couple of levels.
	I'm using in my research the traditional approaches of the behavioral and social sciences which are to gather a number of cases and look for statistical patterns in them and the causes for those results.
	This is inductive research for the technical minded among you.
	Obviously screening people for psychological normalcy.
	I've had some pokesters come in, very few.
	I've had some people who are psychologically unbalanced come in, very few.
	I've had a few who in my opinion were sent by Doctor, I'm curious.
	intelligence agencies anyway who were trying to sell me a bill of goods that was palpably
	false, disinformation.
	Doctor, I'm curious, it would be very, very important for you to weed out the hoaxers
	right at the very beginning or at least during the process.
	So that you don't end up like a couple of other recent researchers with egg on your face when somebody later comes back and says, guess what?
	I made it all up.
	You know the story of John Mack.
	Yeah, and the Donna Bassett infiltration.
	I've had a couple of those folks who did that.
	How do you read them out?
	Over time they expose themselves.
	Some are obvious.
	I've been at Psychological Counseling for 23 years and I can pretty well spot people who are not in good contact with reality or seem overly driven with an exotic agenda that doesn't line up with known facts.
	In a few cases people who have some other problems going on in their life can have an
	ET experience on and be somewhat hard to detect for a while because it's hard to tell whether
	the oddness is coming from other experiences in their life or from their ET experience.
	But soon enough they trip themselves up because their accounts don't line up with what we
	are now getting to be a fairly clear profile of how ET contacts go.
	They make up just the wrong kinds of little details and elements and they kind of give
	themselves away that their story is of human manufacturing and not of actual experience.
	Of my research sample if we may say, last time I took a measurement 89% of the folks
	were psychologically sound, normal, upstanding people.
	They include people like a Republican political figure, a business person, somebody who works for the phone company, a housewife, an artist.
	uh... state workers uh... and and people from all cross-sections of life and
	media journalist former intelligence officer former military officer
	uh...
	do you know i i've got i've got to do this uh... yeah of the republican political figure you you can't give us a
	name god and the Well, no.
	People saw me as a professional psychologist.
	I understand.
	My confidentiality rules.
	I understand.
	I'm sorry, I had to ask you.
	Yeah, well, I do not mean he was elected to office, but he very closely works with political affairs to make certain I don't think so.
	So all cross sections of life, people who have everything to lose and nothing to gain,
	from telling their false stories, first of all they come into a psychologist, some of
	them have expressed in all of them probably hold in their heart the fear that I might
	just slip a butterfly net over them and haul them off to the mental hospital for telling
	such tall tales, but they nevertheless courageously tell it as it is.
	While we're on that subject, that's very interesting, Doctor.
	I want to ask you this.
	Number one, what percentage of your colleagues do you think would have somebody perhaps hauled off for telling such a story?
	Well, that's hard to say.
	I have some inkling from some of the people I've talked to, for whom I was not the first mental health professional they've talked to, in I would say eight or nine cases at least out of 130 people have talked to another psychologist, psychiatrist, whatever.
	I don't think so.
	I think it's a good thing that I'm here. I'm going to continue to do that. I'm going to
	continue to do that. I'm going to continue to do that.
	I'm going to continue to do that.
	I'm going to continue to do that.
	Maybe they felt the next step was going to be the butterfly net.
	Exactly so.
	Doctor, I got a letter this week from a physician back in the Midwest, and I won't go into any more detail than that, but he was concerned, came to me, wrote to me, because he has now had three people come to him.
	with these experiences and he's just a regular doctor, physician and doesn't know what to
	do.
	So I thought I would ask you what should he do?
	Okay well I would suggest he buy my book and the reason for that is one of the chapters
	was designed to be especially aimed at therapists and certain doctors kind of fit in that model
	and particularly in rural areas where it's not easy to get out of therapy.
	Chapter 16, Special Counseling for Experienced Use talks about kind of an approach that any
	good professionally trained medical person can probably use with some beneficial help.
	I also want to let him and all the others out there know that we've just formed an association
	for therapists who work with people who've had close extracurricular encounters.
	It's called the Academy of Clinical Close Encounter Therapists.
	It has been recognized by the state of California and the federal government as a non-profit
	educational organization.
	Dr. Leo Sprinkles is the president.
	Dr. Ronnie Kilday, acting surgeon general of Finland, is vice president.
	I'm the secretary treasurer.
	We have another couple of therapists on the board of directors and we have people, therapists
	starting to pour in their application forms.
	The point of this is to pull together all of these professionals who are sitting out
	there, psychiatrists, psychologists, mental health specialists, hypnotherapists, social
	workers, physicians and others who are all in the same boat.
	I don't know.
	in isolation in towns and villages around this country and indeed around the world,
	scratching their heads, puzzled because this patient comes in and after they trust him
	looks around kind of furtively and says, Doc, you probably won't believe this, but last
	night there was this individual standing in the corner of my room and all the places lit
	up and I went out through the window and the window didn't even bother to open.
	In 2018, I went right out through the closed window, paying glass and on and on.
	One of these typical accounts.
	All of these poor therapists and medical professionals sitting out here in isolation, we need to come together, be there for each other, pool all the information we're getting in one place.
	We've got to hold it there.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	Stay right there.
	and briefly debrief and help people move rapidly through the strangeness and the scariness
	and the unusualness of the experience to a place of subtle bliss and resolvedness.
	All right, doctor, we've got to hold it there.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	Stay right there.
	We'll be back to you.
	Dr. Richard Boyle is my guest.
	We'll be back in just a moment.
	All right.
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	My guest is Dr. Richard J. Boylan, PhD clinical psychologist.
	And author of Close Extraterrestrial Encounters.
	And that is indeed what we're talking about.
	We'll get back to him in just a moment.
	Back to Dr. Richard Boylan.
	And, uh, doctor, are you there?
	That's me.
	Good.
	Um, of all these, uh, 130 now cases that you've studied, uh, is there any case that you would like to take the time to relate to us, you know, to give us some details on one that you find particularly intriguing?
	Sure, and I think I'll stick with one from one of the people who have chosen to go public in the book so that they already understand that it's okay to talk about their case.
	One that really kind of strikes me is a fellow who was a very typical kind of a kid living
	in a rural area and one day he was outside. There was kind of a cloud blowing up and he
	thought maybe a windstorm or a rainstorm was going to happen. His mother called him
	to come out and see the beautiful clouds. His two brothers and his father were in front
	of the TV set and didn't choose to move and come out there but he went out with mother
	and his brother and his mother and they were looking at the sky and then things began to
	get very strange and different. Wind began to swirl, their dog began to act very erratic
	and he noticed a lead colored cylinder coming down out of the cloud. His mother became frantic
	at this and called him to come back to her. He of course being a curious little boy he
	kept looking and looking at the cylinder. He noticed mother had a look of dread on her
	and all of a sudden the cylinder came down very close to the ground and there were four
	beings which loaded up along hill towards his mother and him. His mother turned to him
	in a utter state of fright and screamed for him to run and began to ram herself. The beings
	closed in on her and she kind of froze up and floated her off behind their garage.
	That's the story of the story of the story of the story of the story of the story of
	He looked to the left and saw a praying mantis type extraterrestrial figure headed towards
	him with a long head, a moderate torso, long skinny limbs, long fingers, thin and a gentle
	appearance with that kind of characteristic clip to the elbow and the arms and wrists
	and the legs that make people think of the stick figureish praying mantis insect.
	Although they're clearly talking about a humanoid extraterrestrial here and not an insect.
	And he put his head in at the corner of the house and rubbed his pants, he was so scared
	that the praying mantis extraterrestrial grabbed his arm and suddenly he felt no longer afraid.
	The being led him across their yard and down the hill to their spaceship which was kind
	of a lead gray appearance.
	And they got inside the craft and then were put on a metal table and so forth.
	I was a kind of examination with a long white metal tube used as a kind of scanning device
	right across his body, some other procedures.
	And back to this, there was an injection of some liquid put into his spine and then a
	couple other beings came into this internal room in the UFO.
	They were seated at a bunch of controls.
	He could see his yard outside the window of this craft.
	They then took out a book and told him this was the book of truth, that he had known its
	contents but had forgotten it.
	It looked like a bunch of kind of Chinese type letters that he couldn't understand and
	very wiggly lines of text.
	And somehow the idea about what the book had to say burst into his head even though he obviously
	didn't know how to read this language.
	Then he got that it was about the contents, about the laws of balance in the universe,
	the laws of all living things, dangers coming for the earth, how many changes and so forth.
	He was then told that when he reached 33 years of age, which was a long way off the grade
	school age boy, that he would have a greater understanding of events and that for now he
	need not bother to consciously remember this experience.
	He was told a sort of a parting message from Mr. Trestle.
	They took this book of instruction, this book of truth, and turned it open.
	There's a bright orange symbol that looked like a sun, except it's the rays or arms of fire, if you will, coming off the central circle of this sun-like symbol rotated in a direction Uh, to the left, I believe, and he was told he should remember this symbol.
	And, uh, then, uh, uh, placed, uh, uh, a tool was placed in his ear, and, uh, squeezed, and he got a stomach reaction, like some energy, uh, balance had been shifted in his body.
	and then he was left out of the craft and out in the fields and he went home.
	When he got in there, his entire family, including his mother, were receiving from the television set.
	And even though many hours had gone by since the incident, his mother asked him if he had had fun playing the woodsman.
	He said yes and everybody acted as though nothing had happened,
	even though he was late for dinner and had an unexplained absence.
	When he got done coming out of this experience, all that he consciously remembered as a child was these
	kind of trash can-y looking kinds of metallic vehicles coming out of this turbulent sky and clouds and then
	walking home late for dinner.
	When we got together and Hey!
	How old is this man now?
	And what occurred to him at 33?
	removed the block of what happened in between, then the rest of the details of this story
	came tumbling out.
	Wow.
	How old is this man now?
	He is in his mid to late 30s.
	And what occurred to him at 33?
	Anything?
	On his 33rd birthday, nothing happened, but during that year, he began to have dreams
	of flying through space and reunions with aliens who visited him when he was 11.
	And he got a distinct message that he should go, here's where it gets real interesting, go to the mountains and there would be some answers to his questions.
	He felt the dream was intriguing but a little silly to drive around in the mountains waiting for something to happen.
	So he called his older brother who I don't know.
	been close to and the older brother told him that he had had the same kind of dream, identical
	dream, the same night and so with the same idea that he should go driving in the mountains
	that he would know where to go and that something important would happen.
	So these two brothers kind of embarrassed to admit to each other that they felt a strong
	impulse to act on this message so they got in the car and went up into the northern Sierra
	foothills in northern California out of Grass Valley and worked some of the National Forest
	Roads, dirt roads up there and every time they came to a turn they kind of instinctively
	knew which fork they should take and sometimes it would be one brother and sometimes another
	to say turn here but the other one would instantly agree with them and already had that feeling
	himself.
	They got to a ridge way up in the mountains with a view of the setting sun and they got
	out in a clearing and waited a while there while the sun went down and then there was
	a herd of deer rustling in the bushes and they were surrounded by a dozen deer all looking
	straight at us and his brother who had some previous AT experience knew that he said they
	were here and he was referring to extraterrestrials now that he didn't think those deer were deer.
	That's not usual deer behavior for a whole herd to come out and surround a couple of
	humans and keep stand still and stare at them.
	Absolutely not.
	And then the...
	After that they went a little farther up into clearing and he got in an open space between a number of tall pine trees.
	He began to lift his arms as though he had no control over it, and his body started to float off the ground.
	Wow.
	And he asked what was going on, and his brother said you're being initiated.
	His brother had had previous E.T.
	contact.
	They were then surrounded by several beings of four feet tall or slightly less size who were dressed in hooded black robes with hoods over their heads so that their faces were in the shadows.
	They put their hands on his body and he immediately was lifted up to the top of the trees and kind of rotated around up in the air in a kind of a giddy ride, if you will.
	This was a very straight-laced kind of guy.
	It's almost like the E.T.' 's were telling him, loosen up and kind of go with it.
	Wow.
	He was given some telepathic messages about their version of God, the One.
	He was told they're from a golden planet that's part of a confederation that oversees the spiritual conduct of the universe and that the earth has transitioned and that they're coming to bring us, the earth, into a family of planets when our gradually increased awareness of other intelligent life universes come to a point that we can accept that.
	And then he's brought down to the ground and the DG's went and slipped back into the shadows and he and his brother
	got in their car and drove home.
	So then this is the testimony of not one, but three people?
	Him and his brother.
	So two people?
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	I'm sure that you looked carefully at these two.
	How did you judge their credibility to be?
	Excellent.
	This fellow is a highly respected international businessman.
	Interestingly enough, and particularly Russia and is helping them make the
	transition to democracy and setting up a free enterprise as opposed to a time and form of
	economic structure.
	He has some background in that and has seen his destiny as helping Russia.
	It is sort of like his mission to bring the world community together, his little contribution.
	He feels very distinctly that this is a direct spin off of his extraterrestrial encounters
	and the sense of mission that most experiencers seem to get.
	Doctor, these messages that the aliens seem to give, in the case of both brothers, seem to be almost godlike.
	That is to say, addressing us as a race, telling us what lies ahead, what troubles there may be, what Earth needs to do.
	It's very God-like, isn't it?
	Well, I wouldn't, with all respect, choose the phrase God-like.
	It is real parapsychological.
	You know, it suggests very strongly, and I've talked to a number of experiencers with similar accounts, including people two or three at a time, multiple witness cases.
	And it's very clear that, first of all, the extraterrestrials are telepathic.
	Number two, that they have some ability at clairvoyance, or perhaps they have some technical devices, maybe even
	time travel, but one way or the other can see into the future.
	However, it's a probable future, nothing set in concrete.
	Each of us have choices we make and each choice we make changes the future in one direction
	or another.
	They have some ability, obviously a telekinesis can move things that way.
	They have a number of abilities that some of the most advanced humans, perhaps Zen monks
	They have a number of abilities that some of the most advanced humans, perhaps Zen monks
	or yoga practitioners or other practitioners of the mental arts or spiritual disciplines
	or yoga practitioners or other practitioners of the mental arts or spiritual disciplines
	have developed that are rather rare among average humans.
	have developed that are rather rare among average humans.
	These are rather commonplace among them.
	They use these for the purpose of going around to different planets, in this case Earth,
	that are at an earlier stage of development and helping them to make the transition to
	the awkward stage we are at now where we are just bright enough to be dangerous to ourselves.
	We have stumbled on nuclear power and space travel and we now have instant global communications
	and extremely powerful space-based weaponry.
	We could either move to the 21st century with an increasing mental and spiritual and cultural
	development to match our high-tech hardware or we could blow ourselves up and they would
	like to see us advance.
	less materialistically, with more mental and spiritual and cultural development, more concern
	for the planet's ecology, more concern for each other, not letting wars of decimation
	go on, not letting those kind of silent wars of mass famine going on, but come together
	as a people.
	They want to meet us, but they want to meet us as one human raised planet Earth, not a
	bunch of warring duchies and dukedoms and narrow-minded countries.
	They want to deal with us as Earthlings.
	Your message to everybody in your book, and I guess whenever you talk on the subject, is that their visits here are either friendly or at minimum benign.
	Not threatening, not something to be frightened of.
	You stick by that?
	Yes, it's really clear to anybody who stops to think about it that if they were here for conquest they could have done that a long time ago and certainly on a military science basis it would have been smart for them to do it a long time ago.
	There is, in my view, substantial evidence going back into the archaeological record of extraterrestrial contact.
	I think many of your viewers are well aware of a number of researchers and writers who
	have talked about evidence in primitive cave paintings, rock drawings by people showing
	people wearing helmets and the ancient traditions of Native Americans in this country, particularly
	Hopi and Zulu traditions of star people coming down.
	The aboriginals in Australia having a similar tradition and so forth around the world, certainly
	the Mayan high culture of astronomy and numeric sciences and it has a tradition of space beings
	and space beings to come back and so forth.
	So it's real clear that if they wanted to wipe us out when we were still at the stone
	they could come in and invest us in, or for that matter, they could do it today.
	Right, exactly.
	So your view, then, of their presence is one of custodial care and watching over the human race?
	Well, not so much custodial.
	When I'm touched by the extraterrestrials in the main, there may be a few renegades here and there, but the vast, vast, vast majority of them cooperate in a loosely confederated way, have have approached us with a great deal of respect for our
	intelligence, for our free will, for our right to develop gradually. In the modern era, we've
	seen a program of gradualistic exposure of their presence.
	In 1947, we started seeing some thrusters.
	In the 50s, there were reports of UFOs landing.
	People getting, extraterrestrials getting out, walking around.
	In the 60s, we started having extraterrestrial contact with humans, Betty and Barney Hill.
	Alright, we're at about a break point here, Doug.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, the 70s, we started having Hold it right there for a moment.
	We have videotapes of them and now in the 90s, all hell is breaking loose.
	We have flaps all over the place.
	Right over Sacramento where I am last night, there was a slow moving green light with a
	long green tail.
	Hold it, hold it right there for a moment.
	We'll be right back with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	This is a pre-recorded, previously broadcast program.
	It absolutely is.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Dreamland on a Sunday evening.
	My guest is Dr. Richard Borland.
	He is a clinical psychologist with extensive credentials.
	His book, Close Extraterrestrial Encounters, Positive Experiences with Mysterious Visitors.
	And yes, we're about to get the telephone lines open, so if you want to begin lining up, that's just fine.
	Back to Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Doctor?
	Good evening, Clark.
	Good evening again, and what I would like to do, if you're up for it, is open the telephone lines.
	It's not all that frequently these folks get a chance to talk to an expert with your qualifications.
	Yeah, that's just fine.
	So, let us do that.
	Let's see what's out there.
	On the toll-free line, you are on the air with Dr. Boylan.
	Hi.
	Hello, there.
	Yes.
	Yes, sir.
	You're on the air.
	Where are you calling from?
	Uh, San Diego.
	San Diego.
	Okay.
	Uh, what is your, uh, P.O.
	box in Peru?
	Um, it's post office box 4755.
	4755?
	Uh, that's right.
	four seven five five four seven five five
	uh that's right and uh zip code
	8-9-0-5-1.
	No, 4-1, sir.
	4-1.
	4-1.
	Yes.
	Okay, that's all I want.
	Alright, thank you very much for the call.
	On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Boylan.
	Hello.
	Okay, I'm on the air.
	Yes, you are.
	Yeah, hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, I had a question for Art Bell.
	Well, I have a guest here, sir.
	Do you have a question for my guest?
	Well, I just wanted to, if you'd repeat that Friday night thing about the new money and the Federal Reserve.
	All right, but not right now, sir.
	Sorry about that, Dr. Boylan.
	They seem to have other things going here.
	On the wild-card line, you're on the air with Dr. Boylan.
	Hello.
	Hello, Mark.
	This is Mark Palosito.
	I noticed that you had talked about some of your clients being in the Grass Valley area.
	Well, taking a ride up there, I don't want to indicate to most of the people I've talked
	to on this topic.
	I've had therapy patients, most of them have come in under my research project, and they
	have been doing it for a long time.
	It's a side effort to report their experiences and let me become more familiar with their
	story.
	I guess the point I'm coming to is that you said there have been a lot of sightings in
	the Sacramento area.
	Yes.
	I'm wondering if you have any insight into the Sacramento area and what the situation
	is there.
	I'm not sure I have any insight into the Sacramento area.
	Of course, last year and the year before, there were a lot of sightings in the Clear Lake area, and prior to that, Off Point Arena.
	I find it interesting that all these sightings seem to, sort of, well, centrally located to a lot of those sightings, or at least along the same latitude as Beale Air Force Base, where there has also been an awful lot of activity.
	I've personally seen vehicles that were glowing, spherical-type aircraft coming out of that general area within the past
	four months.
	Now, are you talking about at night?
	Yes, right around quarter of eleven at night.
	What about their glow or their illumination struck you as different than general military
	aircraft?
	Well, it was almost like an incandescent bulb floating in the sky rather than a set of landing
	lights.
	And this was fairly large things.
	It appeared to be about 50 feet in diameter.
	Now, you're talking about light fairly uniformly all the way around the outside skin of this vehicle.
	Yes, as though the entire skin was lit up.
	Yeah, or plasma field just right off the skin.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's similar to what I've seen at Area 51 and at the Northrop Aerospace Plant near Lancaster where the U.S.
	manufactures its own copycat saucers.
	I was up at a National Forest Fire lookout station with binoculars up by Bowman Lake looking at Beale.
	Must have been six months ago.
	And I saw several lighted vehicles in the sky hovering near Beale lit up like Christmas tree with different colored lights and drifting ever so slowly up towards those slightly rising hills to the east of Beale's main tarmac.
	Uh, but hovering there mostly.
	Uh, I don't know if this matches up to anything with what you saw.
	Well, he's gone now, but it certainly sounds similar.
	The entire vehicle lit up.
	Yeah, well, there's some very strange stuff going on.
	The appeal is, you know, a highly classified base.
	The cover story is that, uh, No, they used to keep the Blackbird SR-71 reconnaissance spy plane there before they sent them down to Holloman.
	And now they're going back and using the U-2s.
	Well, there are U-2s there, but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
	There are strong indications from folks who have seen There may be even more classified material going on.
	that isn't supposed to exist is being operated out of there.
	And there may be even more classified material going on.
	There are persistent UFO sightings in the general area, and it may not be an accident that this space surveillance
	base that by way of various technologies pulls down information
	from the edge of space about what's going on from that vantage point is also a
	place of a lot of UFO sightings.
	All right, uh, let's keep moving.
	A lot of calls, Doctor.
	Uh, toll-free line, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Hi.
	Thank you.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off, number one.
	And number two, tell us, where are you calling from?
	Uh, Seattle, Washington.
	Seattle.
	All right, go ahead.
	Go ahead, sir.
	Yes.
	In the 7.30 hour, Dr. Baldwin, he asked Dr. Baldwin a question, you know, I think, are the aliens or the extraterrestrials among us?
	And then he went into a long...
	of what he was going to talk about but he never answered the question.
	So are they here now?
	That was kind of a composite question.
	I was simply trying to ask you what you have concluded, doctor.
	In other words, are they really here?
	And so let's get specific.
	Are they here among us on an everyday basis?
	All I can tell you is from my research and from an impeachable source that I am in contact
	with.
	That's a little tricky question.
	There's no doubt that they are here making, in the sense that extraterrestrials are making, physical and intense telepathic communication contacts with human beings every day in great numbers.
	My own personal estimate based on my work and Robert Durant's research and the Roper poll, which I think it exaggerates the count.
	I've broken it by a factor of four down.
	So using kind of a composite of those sources, I've estimated that there are 3,000 extraterrestrial
	contacts a day going on in the United States alone.
	Per day?
	Per day, and certainly the rest of the world is having its own fair share as well.
	Now in addition to, not all of these are physical showing up where a person is pulled to the
	side of the road and gets out of the car and meets an individual or somebody pops up in
	their bedroom.
	Some of these are mental contacts where intense amounts of information are dumped in their
	head during telepathic communications, often during the night hours.
	Now in addition to this, there are extraterrestrials who repeated reports, used cloaking, or to
	to put it more specifically, disguise their appearance by...
	I don't know.
	kind of mind projection of the visualization of themselves as a rather ordinary looking
	human being so that when they walk by you what you see is an ordinary fellow human being
	dressed conventionally walking by you but it's actually an extraterrestrial who is convincing
	your mind that you're seeing a human instead of E.T.'s actual more odd appearance.
	Alright, well I think that addresses the question.
	In the little poop sheet they sent along with your book ad here, it says, the Secretary General of the UN has asked all nations to recognize the reality of UFOs.
	What did he say and when did he say that?
	Well, the uh...
	I'm not familiar with that exact quote. The uh...
	The you.
	The U.N.
	General Assembly took a resolution some years ago in the late 70s that the phenomena of UFOs appear to have enough reality bases that there should be an intense study of it.
	And there's been a subsequent effort to get the U.N.
	to move ahead on that since then.
	Well, I'm sure that was it then.
	That sounds about right.
	Certain people have talked, highly placed individuals, I don't want to give away privileged conversations, but internationally famous UFO researchers that anybody would recognize instantly have talked with the UN.
	I'm in Phoenix.
	It is pretty clear that they are aware of the ET phenomenon and are trying to, in their
	own way, find a way to deal with it.
	On the toll-free line, we are on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Where are you, sir?
	I am in Phoenix.
	This is Henry.
	Hello, Henry.
	In Phoenix.
	I wanted to ask our guest here, is he convinced that they have considerable power to influence
	and to even deceive, if they wish, and put over whatever information they want to on
	a telepathic or whatever manner to humanoids?
	All right.
	Yes.
	Are they practicing to deceive, Doctor?
	Well, I would want to distinguish the two questions whether they are influencing individual humans and human cultural evolution.
	Yes, and certainly they say that they are doing that.
	Individual experiences are experiencing it.
	They are being prompted to take up special projects that are serving the purpose of both
	bringing out the E.T. reality and moving ahead humanity towards more peaceful and cooperative,
	less violent ways and getting the E.T. reality message out.
	Being to deceive in the sense of an unnecessary deception just to be crooked or dishonest,
	I have seen no evidence of that.
	If by deception we're saying that the ETs at times find it useful or necessary for example when they're visiting a small child to create a visualization in the child's mind that the individual in their bedroom is the Easter Bunny or Casper the Friendly Ghost.
	I think that is the most important thing.
	In fact, that is part of what the devils are.
	Military is that they have no defense against the extraterrestrials.
	The extraterrestrials can cross into any base.
	They can walk through walls into a room.
	Security means nothing to them.
	they can take on the appearance of a highly placed uh...
	uh... air force colonel and walk in and everybody salutes them and uh...
	well then how could the military service not regard them as a severe
	uh... national security threat they do indeed exactly that
	uh... they uh... that it's quite clear that uh...
	the national security uh...
	agency uh... successfully resisted a freedom of information uh... lawsuit
	uh... to divulge documents that they held about uh...
	E.T.'s and UFOs and they said that if we were to release these documents this would
	constitute uh... extremely serious damage to the national security of
	the United States that's code language for it, this stuff's above top secret
	Well, when they closed Project Blue Book, I believe the statement was, these, whatever they are, pose no threat to national security.
	Well, they pose no threat to, uh, the well-being of the united states in the sense that these
	are not hostile invaders when we talk about national security i was using it in the
	sense of the military and intelligence establishment
	uh...
	which is used to being in charge of the running of the affairs of the united states and of the
	world being vested by a higher
	culture and technology that can run circles around them well then you thought you'd be using their statement then
	meant uh... the north threat to the security of the social structure of the
	united states of the people of the of the united
	Right.
	There is no danger there.
	In fact, the gradualism, the last 47 years, ETs have very slowly and laboriously, gradually gotten used to the idea that they're here, that they make contact.
	what they are about, what they look like, what their communications are, that they are
	about ecological and social balance, respect for individual, gradual understanding, it's
	a friendly invitation of us to join the larger community of intelligent civilizations out
	there if only we would adopt a little better manners.
	That is a gradualism that shows a lot of respect for us.
	uh... they're definitely not a conquering power and they're not arrogant in their superiority
	alright on the wild card line you're on the air with dr.
	Richard Boylan uh... good evening good evening Art this is Greg up in mountain hall idaho how
	you doing? just fine i was just wondering
	you know now he's talking about these
	visitors as extravagance I
	use the term extraterrestrial because we have the best evidence for that.
	The ETs have said that they're from other planets.
	They've shown a number of experiencers when either in mental communications where they find the individual in their car or their bedroom or wherever or on board craft, they've shown them their home planet.
	In one case it was a looking place, another place a desert kind of planet.
	They've shown their home star system.
	In one case, one race said to one experiencer that we come from four light years away.
	That's certainly not the only place they're coming from.
	So it's pretty clear that the T's see themselves as coming from different star systems.
	Now I do not take particular issue with either the trans-dimensional nor the time travel
	explanations.
	I don't think those are alternative in the sense that they're from our future or from
	our past.
	They're just earthlings that have evolved and come from the future.
	You know, DETs indicate they come from other planet sources.
	Plus, with the description you gave us, there would be some pretty nifty tricks of evolution
	ahead.
	Yes, yes.
	Now, I think in getting here, given the nature of space-time and the bending thereof to make
	extensive travel in any kind of reasonable time frame, it may literally be true that
	the time on the ETA...
	's home planet would be different than the time on planet Earth.
	They may be, from their point of view, either in our future or in our past from their home planet's time and vice versa.
	Also, I'm no expert on quantum physics or astrophysics.
	A little bit I've read and particularly has applied to that these issues suggest that almost any substantial jump across space is going to require sufficient bending, so to speak, of the space-time continuum.
	To jump across?
	That it's going to involve more than the standard four dimensions we're used to anyway.
	So the short answer is I think the correct answer may well be all of the above, that they're extraterrestrial.
	But their time is not our time, and to get here, they had to jump dimensions.
	Good.
	Alright.
	On the Tophie line, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	I'm calling from Seattle, and I've come into the program somewhat late, but I thought I would call to amplify just a bit what you're talking about there.
	I call because I am the relatively new director of the National UFO Reporting Hotline, based in Seattle.
	I took over that position just about 30 days ago and I just thought I would call to share with you and with your listeners the fact that what has come over this hotline in the last 30 days or so is just nothing short of astonishing.
	And I speak as a relatively experienced ufologist.
	I have taken probably at least four calls in the last 30 days.
	Point of fact, more like the last 15 days.
	From people who have had, it would appear, if we can believe what they say over the telephone, and in most cases I think we can, appear to have had personal interaction with either ships or beings.
	And I think it's very important to share with the American, your listeners, the American people, the fact that something clearly is going on that our government is not even talking about.
	Thought I'd just call to share that with you.
	Well, I appreciate it, and I'm sure you do too, Doctor.
	It's really the same thing you're saying.
	Yeah, we've had flaps, and it's very interesting, like the Michigan flap over Lake Michigan near the shores of the state of Michigan.
	Oh, yes.
	You know, it was all over the Michigan papers, but I was up in Dayton, Ohio last weekend at a UFO conference and asked the audience there how many people heard about the Michigan flap, and Ohio touches borders with Michigan.
	Almost nobody had heard anything.
	Okay, Doctor, we've got to pause here.
	Every line is lit.
	Stay right where you are.
	We'll be right back.
	Dr. Richard Boylan is my guest coming up on the hour.
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	Welcome to the world of meditation.
	Well, first part of the question about the technology being used to deceive us, there's no question that the, um, at least elements within the United States, I'm not sure the, uh, the government that the Congress and the President, uh, are in control of is, is, uh, involved totally here.
	It seems to be compartmented off in some very black operations, but somebody Somebody who will not let the National Security Council know who they are, has back engine, has retrieved the saucers, is keeping them, is using the technology, has, we know, because another part of that same 92 trip that we talked about in my Area 51 sightings, I saw the place where those craft are made.
	I saw the same self-saying craft Very brief operational test flights at three in the morning above the Northrop Secret Aerospace Facility, a factory buried in the Tadgepe Mountains, northwest of Lancaster, California.
	I saw four craft there rise up off a path above the Northrop facility and reach a brief
	altitude and take about a mile of loop and come back and they were the same color and
	the same glow and this time I was closer to them. There was no mountain range in the way
	and I saw that when they landed and the glow came off the skin of the craft that it went
	back to a metallic kind of aluminum color and I could see little backlit portholes inside
	of the craft so it's very clear that this is a technology that elements within the aerospace
	industry and military intelligence have acquired and mastered to some degree.
	Now whether this is being used to deceive us, I think the agenda appears to be in the overt world to We could rapidly advance our military advantage over the rest of the world by stealth and anti-gravitational and propulsion technologies that jump well ahead of where we would have been just by guessing by gosh.
	Okay, well that would certainly do it.
	The establishment, in other words, you don't lean toward the new world order?
	No, I don't think that.
	I think there is a dark side that would like to use this technology to gain leverage and power.
	Uh, I don't know that there is so much interest in the New World Order as being the fattest cats on the block.
	Okay, well that's always been our game.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Hi.
	Well, hello to you both.
	This is Mike calling from Kapa'a listening to 830K HVH here in the island.
	Oh, wonderful.
	I just wanted to say to Dr. Boylan, and I agree with a lot of what he said, I've been in contact myself with an extraterrestrial energy for about a year and a half.
	And some of the things that Dr. Boylan has said he verifies with me, although he does say that there is another scenario that's very possible.
	And that one, you've just alluded to slightly, but to take it a step further, those men, primarily the men of money and oil, the men of power and greed, Who see a future where they could be in control in cahoots, if you will, with a dark force or a barbaric race of ETs who haven't yet manifested themselves because they're a little bit at bay.
	Because the benign ETs, the ones that I'm in contact with, are here and they're kind of watching for us.
	But they're afraid that we are not going to grow up.
	And make the jump necessary to get rid of the paradigms of money and theology and politics that control us.
	And if that's the fact, they will withdraw because if we can't grow up and take care of our own planet ourselves and throw off these men who will control us and keep us in fear, they're going to stand back and say, we will not keep you people on the plantation where we are your caretakers.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Doctor, why is it unreasonable?
	To presuppose, after all, for every force on Earth that has the power to do great good, from atomic energy on, there are uses that are beneficial, as in cancer research or treatment, and uses that are horrible, as in dropping bombs and killing millions.
	Why shouldn't we presuppose that ETs, particularly if there are many races, are probably both good and bad?
	First of all, we proceed from evidence.
	There does not seem to be evidence of a race-wide set of baddies out there that have demonstrated a track record of evil doing.
	I don't find that.
	I don't find any other professionals that are researching this who find it either.
	Uh, what there does appear to be is some, uh, limited evidence of a few baddies and a few bad apples in the barrel among ETs, as there are among humans.
	All right, well, we'll have to pause there.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	Hold on, we'll be right back.
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	I am indeed, Howard.
	Alright, well here we go once again.
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	All right, well, here we go once again.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Boylan.
	Hi.
	Fine, where are you, sir?
	Well, gentlemen, I'm talking to you through the miracle of Clear Channel Radio.
	I'm listening to KSTP out of Minneapolis, and I'm about 30 miles east of Dickinson, North Dakota, on Highway 94.
	Wow, it is a miracle.
	Alright, while you're on with the doctor, go ahead.
	Listen, I'd like to make one point, and that is that coming up here, I've only seen this promo in a movie theater, And that is for an upcoming Star Trek film entitled First Contact, where supposedly at the end of the film, the first contact is made.
	And I wanted to ask the doctor... I believe that's going to be with Jodie Foster, isn't it?
	I don't know.
	I think so.
	The first question is, earlier in the conversation you made reference to The revelation, and I wondered your thoughts about the great deception as this relates to the emergence, if you will, of ETs and the announcements that are forthcoming.
	And secondly, in speaking with some of the spiritual people that I and my wife are associated They've indicated a spiritual transition in the general population of the world, and I wondered your thoughts on that.
	All right, let's do it.
	First contact, that motion picture, so many other motion pictures, part of a plan to get us ready?
	I believe there's been a history that certainly is documented back to World War II of the government using the film industry and thematic films to
	condition the public to everything from patriotism to hatred of the enemy to other purposes.
	There are consistent reports of CIA advisors on the threats of close encounters of the
	third kind and E.T.
	I didn't know that.
	To help with the storyline there.
	Certainly the CIA has admitted in recent years that they have plenty of assets within the
	media and the film industry would certainly be part of that.
	As to the announcement, I think that is upcoming.
	A source who's a former Air Force intelligence officer within the Aviary says that The government is expecting an alien landing in the United States Southwest in the springtime of this coming year within a few miles of federal public land.
	The source claims that world leaders, including the U.S.
	President, will be involved and presumably present for the landing.
	in the year there will be a further series of landings that will get publicity, possibly
	newspaper or even television photographic coverage worldwide.
	Now I always have to be a little cautious with this kind of a source because the potential
	for disinformation is there and yet the source has been pretty much on the money in the past.
	Let's say for the sake of argument that this leak is accurate, that the government is operating
	from the perception that they don't have any longer than next springtime before it pops
	out in the open.
	Right.
	And this, by the way, is equivalent to the predictions of everything from the Native American shamans.
	and other people to what the ETs have told experiencers and what psychics and remote
	viewers have seen looking ahead into the near future.
	All of them converge on 97 as the big year.
	So if you were sitting in government and you knew that the jig was up by the end of spring
	97, you would be putting the pedal to the metal in terms of getting the American people
	ready for the UFO reality and ET presence.
	Starting right after the election.
	Yes, I would expect after November 5, after everybody has won or lost the presidency and
	the congressional and senate seats and local, all the damage that has been done and all
	the gains that have been gained are done, that we are going to see a level of disclosure
	accelerate that is going to make the leaks we have seen this year look pale by comparison.
	And I do not expect that.
	President Clinton's positioning the National Conference on what we should do in space next, given life on Mars in November after the election, is any coincidence.
	Everything that's been done so far has been very well thought through and carefully, meticulously planned.
	So I think that that may well be one more major shoe dropping leading to the announcement early this coming year.
	Would you expect a great spiritual, attending to the second part of his question, a great spiritual change following first contact?
	Yes, but I already see that happening now.
	I noticed with all the people who attended the Star Knowledge Conference on the reservation in June that there was certainly more of an attending to the spiritual and metaphysical implications of contact with beings from outer space, our own coming to our own fullness of awareness of psychic powers, telepathic unity, our common origin, As conscious, intelligent, evolved creatures our family
	lived across space.
	All of this sort of spiritual growth and awareness I see permeating the UFO community more and
	more as I go around to conferences and talk to people.
	I think that what has been true for those who have taken the time to focus on UFO information
	will turn true for the general public as they too become exposed to UFO reality by the public
	media treatment of it in the near future.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Boylan.
	Where are you calling from, please?
	Yes, sir.
	I'm calling from Ohio, listening to WMAN in Mansfield.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, okay.
	My question, I have two quick questions for your guests.
	The first one is, are the ETs warning of nuclear explosions and Earth shifting on its axis?
	Okay.
	A number of experiences have been shown scenarios, telepathically shown scenarios of the future.
	In some of these scenarios, nuclear explosions going off have been featured.
	Now, what is unclear, to this researcher anyway, is whether the ETs are showing them the absolute future, that by golly, that's what's ahead for us, or whether they're showing them the probabilistic future.
	In other words, if you guys don't clean up your act and start treating each other better, that's what's going to happen.
	It's not terribly clear which of those is the case.
	As far as pole shift, I've not seen that specifically shown experiences in these future forecasts by the ETs, but certainly major geophysical calamities, shakings, land subsidence.
	It's not clear whether that might be associated with a pole shift or not, so I can't give you a definitive answer on that second part.
	Okay.
	At what point in time do you think we'll see a widespread alien presence on Earth?
	Widespread is a relative term.
	Right now there's a number of E.T.s on Earth every day.
	I estimate that there are 3,000 E.T.
	close encounters with humans, you know, personal, face-to-face, daily.
	And probably that's a conservative number.
	Now, if you're talking about open circulation in public and society, I think we will see first open contact next year and I think events will evolve from there depending on a mutually negotiated degree of readiness by Earth's representatives and the ETs as they work out some kind of safe haven for the ETs to
	to land at and to continue to communicate and as people get more used to them I think
	we'll see a natural evolution of people saying, hey you guys are welcome over in our community
	and here's a place where you can feel safe and you know it'll spread out.
	It sounds a lot like the work of Seaside.
	Well Seaside has started the ball rolling by you know sending out the hand of hospitality
	by way of light signals and telepathic outreach to which the ETs have responded by aircraft
	flybys.
	All right.
	Uh, getting on the ground and face-to-face, maybe handshake-to-handshake is the next logical evolution of that, and I think we will see the opening solvos of that next year.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boiler.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	How are you?
	Fine.
	Where are you?
	I'm calling from Edmondson, Alberta.
	Canada, good, okay.
	I just want to give a little bit of background for my question.
	First of all, as you know, Canada and the United States are the world's largest trading partners.
	They're NORAD partners.
	They liberated Europe together, and they're probably the countries that work the most closely in the world.
	So I'm wondering, with all these frequencies that you're talking about being emitted from various places, Do you think that Canada and the U.S.
	would simply share it between themselves, or would they share it with some of the other allies?
	And also, Canada and the United States cooperate quite heavily on the space program, but now they're talking about bringing in Japan, the European Union, and Russia, and having five of the major powers working together.
	Right.
	And I'm wondering what direction you think they're going to take with this.
	And lastly, is there any strategic advantage to the North Magnetic Pole being in Canada, and does that have any effect on things?
	All right.
	Canadian-oriented questions.
	Doctor?
	Yeah.
	Well, as far as sharing, yes, the U.S.
	and Canada are strong partners.
	I would think the U.S.-U.K.
	is almost as tight a bond.
	But clearly, the sharing of UFO information has gone already beyond that with the U.S.S.R., now Russia, and France and Italy and other NATO partners.
	And that will continue and escalate as things break out in the open.
	There's already a worldwide network among the industrialized nations of a joint policy among the intelligence communities, etc., of shared UFO information and enforcement of adequate cover-up.
	In terms of cooperation, I think we're going to see a breakout well beyond the U.S.
	As the global aspects of the E.T.
	presence become known, it'll be quite clear that the only appropriate response to the E.T.
	ambassadors is going to be a group that can speak for Earth and not just make it an American event.
	I think we will see a demand by all the countries of the world that a worldwide representative Uh, engage the ETs in dialogue.
	Doctor, you haven't plugged your books, and I'm going to make you do it.
	Okay.
	You've got two books, extraterrestrial... Well, I've actually got another one out now.
	Well, three books, and this is old info.
	Extraterrestrial Contact and Human Responses.
	Yeah, that's really out of print now, superseded by my newest book, Close Extraterrestrial Encounters.
	It's mainly about my research with ET encounters and what the ETs have done and said with people.
	The newest book is called Labored Journey to the Stars.
	That's just out this year and available from me.
	And if I may, Art, just give the phone number.
	You may.
	If people want to get either that book or both extraterrestrial encounters,
	They Returned to the Stars, or both extraterrestrial encounters,
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	And we'll be happy to...
	Is there any particular hour that people should call?
	So this number is coming to you?
	And, you know, if I'm tied up, we'll get back to you with the...
	So this number is coming to you?
	Yes, it's coming to my office and I can fulfill those orders.
	Okay, it's error code 916-4...
	Do you ever autograph books for people?
	People want to, you know, I can certainly do that.
	That's not a, not an extra.
	All right.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	This is Bob up in Como Country, Seattle.
	Hi, Bob.
	Hi, I have a question and a comment, or a suggestion.
	Suggestion first, have you gotten around to having your parts tested for superconductivity themselves?
	Well, that's what you... Oh, yes, they're working on that now.
	Okay, along the lines of Dr. Hoagland and... All the arrows, sir, of the research thus far points towards superconductivity, if that helps you.
	Almost every scientist has said that.
	Right.
	I was just wondering if you have been being tested and if you could update us on that.
	I'm doing the best I can.
	I'm sure you are.
	You're doing a great show tonight, by the way.
	Thank you.
	Another question for the doctor is...
	If these parts have been released as part of a disinformation type of campaign, wouldn't that imply that they're obsolete already and that they're not a danger to anybody?
	But, first, in opposition to that, what about... was it Major Deems that said that they were from the future, possibly?
	Yes.
	Yes, and let's form a question from that.
	That was said to me that these parts could be part of something that came from another time frame or even dimension.
	Our future.
	What sort of credence do you give to those who discuss the possibility that we are being visited from the future?
	Or another dimension.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, first of all, it was a part of this information that it's hard to know.
	Anything that's put out in the public has probably already been superseded by black budget research and development.
	I would probably agree with the color on that.
	As for the parts, if they are authentic and if they are off-planet in origin coming from the future, from another dimension, People always raise the question about whether the extraterrestrials are merely from other star systems or whether they're from another time, you know, the future or the past and if time jumped or whether they are from other dimensions.
	Sure.
	My answer tends to be all of the above, at least in a minimalist sense.
	Clearly the ETs have told us repeatedly and shown that they are from other star systems.
	To get here from other star systems involves exceeding the speed of light and clearly is trans-dimensional travel, so at least in that minimalist sense there from other dimensions.
	Given the fact that time is not a standard across the galaxy, but is contingent on the space-time fabric, it's almost Guaranteed that the time the ETs are operating from in their home planet and the time we're operating from are not one and the same, and that therefore, almost by definition, they have to be from at least partially in our future past, and simultaneously would be very difficult to accomplish.
	All right, very quickly, time for one last, I think, wildcard line.
	You're on the air with Dr. Richard Boylan.
	Good evening, Art.
	Richard.
	I'm in Pocatello on panels, Bob, and we're listening to KVEG.
	You know, following up on this idea about disinformation, I mean, I understand it's possible, and of course you don't hear much about it anymore, but 20 years ago the government was experimenting around with high-power pulsed CO2 lasers and It is possible to create, with known technology, to create these crop circles and things using infrared radiation at the very high power levels from space.
	And of course, what this woman said brought that to mind.
	It would occur probably in a few milliseconds, and you might see some ionization occur overhead as it came through the ionized layers.
	But to what end?
	I mean, as you look, Brzezinski's book, Between Two Ages, it talks about, you know, The East and the West uniting in the ecological battle.
	All right, sir.
	I'm afraid we're going to have to hold it there.
	I appreciate the question.
	It really concerns crop circles.
	And, of course, Linda had an incredible piece at the beginning regarding the videotape and the formation of a crop circle in about a second.
	They've got that on videotape, Doctor.
	Any comments on crop circles and the possibility of origin?
	Well, obviously, Whoever's laying down the crop circles is using extreme high technology.
	I could imagine that the U.S.
	may have back-engineered that technology to a level to affect crops from space, but I cannot imagine the U.S.
	military using the very subtle and spiritual glyphs and uplifting messages that appear to be embedded both physically and mentally in the In the crop circle, that is just not the military mind at work.
	It appears to be the artistry and high intelligence of a highly developed civilization and not a government issue.
	Pre-contact communication.
	That's my best read on it.
	Doctor, it has been an absolute pleasure, and as I said earlier, it's been one heavy show.
	My friend, thank you, and we will have you back on again.
	I always enjoy it, Art, and thank you for wonderful hosting here.
	Take care.
	Dr. Richard Boylan.
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