Preston Nichols, an electrical engineer tied to the Montauk Project, claims 1947–1983 research weaponized mind control via 420–460 MHz radar signals (like Russia’s "woodpecker") and time loops, shutting down after a "monster" was allegedly created. He describes Tesla-linked tech, including 100-million-watt BMUs, and warns of mass mind control via particle beams, now bypassing individual signatures. Corroborated by 30 witnesses, Nichols insists the project’s remnants—underground facilities in Montauk State Park—still emit unnatural electromagnetic pulses, possibly tied to weather manipulation and UFO activity. Skepticism lingers despite his claims of grey aliens and Nazi gold financing, while callers debate gun confiscation risks, framing it as a potential catalyst for civil unrest. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening or good morning, whatever the case may be.
And it varies across the time zone.
Uh, so hello there.
Hello.
Welcome to another edition of Coast to Coast, AMPM.
My guest is indeed from Pipeline Type of New York, Preston Nichols.
And in effect, he's going to pick up where Al Billick left off.
And many of you, I know many of you, are very familiar with the story of the Philadelphia Experiment.
And Al Billick.
Don't know a lot about Preston Nichols and the Longhawk Project, but as you know, Al Bilick referred to it as part of the Philadelphia Experiment, so it's been a great curiosity for me and for many of you.
And we are honored, therefore, to have Preston Nichols with us.
This evening, let's go all the way to East Iceland, New York.
Well, as far as we know, it traces back to about 1947 when they decided to restart the Philadelphia experiment to find out what actually went wrong and why the people on the boat were not able to take the field.
As we've all heard before, the Philadelphia experiment is where they attempted to make a ship, a Navy ship radar invisible.
They got total invisibility and the thing disappeared.
They got sucked into a hole in hyperspace between 1943 and 1983.
So what actually happened is they did a lot of R ⁇ D work.
The project split into two.
The engineering went to Los Alamos, we believe, and that's where they developed the CELT technology.
It's on the third level of the CELT aircraft these days.
The other part of the project, which was the Human Factors Project, went to Brookhaven National Laboratories, which was the largest human factors research in the United States.
This is now about 1950, we believe.
It joined what was known as the Phoenix Project, which was a very large, all-encompassing research project involving research into the human mind, the mind of man.
Starting back in World War I and World War II with propaganda, PA systems, resource dropping, this sort of thing, it evolved up through chemical research, drug research.
After they spun their wheels a lot of time out of Brookhaven Webs, they got the self-technology user-friendly.
That means human beings could take the fields.
I cannot go into what that's all about because I did sign security on that.
Well, essentially, what he's saying is very controversial.
I believe there are many different tests of radar invisibility, total invisibility, that the government research did attempt in World War II, and he's reporting on one test.
If you read the popular Bill Moore book, Bill Moore compiled all sorts of information, which was a number of different kinds of tests, different kinds of procedures used.
This is why the book is somewhat confusing.
I was speaking essentially from personal experience in talking with a lot of other people that he's come across, just as I've come across people.
The Philadelphia experiment did happen.
It was definitely a high-energy physics project.
There is other information coming to the surface saying that Nicole Letesla had an input to it in the beginning.
Correct.
And, you know, Dr. John Eric von Neumann definitely did work on it.
He himself told me that.
And I think Al's idea of what happened on the boat, excuse me, it was pretty much correct.
Because also I've had the same idea from other witnesses like Duncan Cameron, who was also on the boat with Al.
One thing that I've found is I've interviewed a lot of people who talk about time travel, talk about alien spacecraft and the way space might be warped and the way it might be jumped across, in fact, and the technologies that they're talking about are strikingly similar to the one that Al Belick told us about.
Well, again, we're discussing here what happens when you pulse a magnetic field to extremely strong levels.
It's well known in the quantum physics world that if you pulse a magnetic field beyond, I believe it's a thousand Tesla field strength, it is highly possible to bend space and time.
Now, if you can control this, it is theoretically possible to gain control of space and the time continuum, which would lead to the ideas that all this stuff you hear coming out of the UFO legends has some scientific basis behind it.
Although a lot of the physicists will not accept the idea that there are parallel multiple realities, but your quantum physics is beginning to accept that idea at this point, and a lot of them always have.
Well, after the stealth technology was developed, it was suggested that this is the first time we have definite evidence that the mind of man is sensitive to electromagnetic fields.
Let's research this further and develop population control.
We can weaponize this thing as to make the enemy surrender.
And, you know, I'm sure the possibilities are mind-boggling at this point.
Congress said, no, we don't want this.
This is mind control.
This is too politically active.
They were setting up to research literally mind control technologies.
They went to the military and said, would you be interested in this kind of a weapon?
Of course, this is every tactician's dream.
So the military said, yes, we are.
And they gave them the old Montfauk Air Force Station, which is only about 40 miles away from Brookhaven Labs, that they can do this stuff in secrecy and not be under the watchful eye of the congressional committees.
Well, they were able to essentially inject a thought into a person's mind, make him believe it's his own thought, and control what you're thinking and therefore have some effect on what you're doing.
They could literally read out what you're thinking.
Well, this, as you've probably been reaching, this is coming up to a lot of debate at this point, exactly how harmless are these electromagnetic waves.
Yes, it goes from frequency to frequency to frequency.
If you tune it in on a radio receiver, it just sounds like a crack at a particular Frequency, then it goes to another frequency, you got another crack, and it hops around from frequency to frequency.
Montauk had about 20 different frequencies they hop between 420 and 460 megahertz.
Not the frequency range, how you hop from frequency to frequency.
Remember, you're building essentially a hologram, a holographic type information packet out of delta frequency information and delta amplitude information and delta phase.
Of course, phase and frequency is the same.
Remember, you're dealing here with very fast deltas.
You have to integrate this into essentially a random ordered white noise pattern built very much on fractals.
Let's assume then that all of this, which is going to begin to get above some of their heads and perhaps mine as well, all of this would affect a biological entity.
Yeah, the overall signal that was being transmitted was generated by a human being at Montauk.
They had a group of sensors that picked up his holographic thought pattern, processed it through a very large computer system, and then put it into a modified radar transmitter.
And that's where I came into the picture because I was the one that was in charge of modifying the radar transmitter.
And you led to all sorts of things, including mind control, precipitation of objects.
You know, there were all sorts of things that were done from this.
Because if a person sitting at the input of this could visualize that object in their artificial reality or virtual reality, this equipment had the capability of making it real.
We're talking probably at least 100 million watts continuous, not pulse, power that they had out there.
Because the thing was modified to what's known as BMUs, which had 100 megawatt continuous power.
It could do either one, depending upon the fidelity of the transform being reproduced through the equipment.
Like you could picture if your signal coming out of your transmitter was complete enough, it would be theoretically possible to recreate you at the other end.
The reason you can't is one, the receiver doesn't have enough power, then the information channel from the transmitter to the receiver is nowhere near high enough fidelity in the other dimensions and realities required to do it.
This is what we try to do at Montauk, was bring up this fidelity factor of broadcast.
Well, the thing you have to keep in mind is if you go into pure metaphysics, the non-physical mind is a ripple or a transform or a form on the space-time continuum.
If you're going to get your way into the non-physical mind, you've got to generate a time wave, which is like a warping or a repetitive bending of the time function.
Now, if you could get into this, you have the remnants of a time machine.
Now, I know when things were being created out of real time, what I mean is when the concentration would be at 3 o'clock in the afternoon and the object would appear early or after that time, they got very excited, shut the project down for a couple of months, and sent us all back to school to learn about time.
I know they were interested in time manipulation, but of course, who wouldn't be?
Now, being that we're compartmentalized, I have no personal knowledge of how successful the time portal to say was.
Again, people who had worked with the time portal tell us that it was stable, that it was usable meaning you could travel in time meaning physically travel to another time okay now the newer quantum theories even those theories appearing in scientific american are saying that there are multiple realities where time is different and
Because of the multiple realities, all time does coexist.
And it's possible to move from point A to point B in time.
And they're saying either it's possible to go into the future, which has a lot to say about is the future predestined or isn't it?
So what this is saying is there's got to be a third level.
The third level is electromagnetic bottle.
Now, how they made the thing user-friendly in a nutshell, this is alluded to in some of the aircraft publications, the electromagnetic bottle.
They found out that when they cut off the human being from the natural background clocks, you know, the Schumann resonance and all this sort of thing, he had a tendency to become disoriented.
It's commonly called the Schumann resonance, discovered by W.O. Schumann, which every time lightning strikes in the cavity between the upper atmosphere, the ionosphere and the Earth, this cavity rings.
The frequency is around 8 hertz.
It slows between 7 hertz and 9 hertz, typically depending upon the time of day.
And this is sort of what clocks our biological functions.
Also, this changing of the frequency from night to day is what causes us to wake up, go to sleep.
It causes a lymphatic flush of the system.
It also has a lot to do with the alpha beta gamma rhythms in the brain.
Now, the other problem, they had to, the original technology created a solid field.
They had to somehow focus this field into a shape.
shell so that the people were not getting irradiated by this large field i'm not talking atomic radiation but essentially electromagnetic radiation there is a difference yes but either one can be just as dangerous especially when you're using pulse magnetic fields Like they were using to bend space-time to the point where they're just outside of our continuum, so the thing was somewhat invisible, either radar or fully invisible.
they say going on the ground well wouldn't it be all well Wouldn't it be possible, Preston, to literally follow the power lines and find out if and where they go underground?
And we believe it goes underground from those buildings.
Now, what I was also going to mention is there are some cement buildings on top of what we call Radar Hill, where the radar tower is, the computer center is, which is physically part of the underground.
And if you put your ears up against the cement walls, you'll hear like machinery running.
There are pipes that stick up out of the ground that I dropped a microphone down, and you'll hear the whine of a turbine and the grinding of some sort of fan.
Now, for a Dural station, what is the machinery that we hear running?
What the purpose is, I really don't know, because I have no way of decoding it.
Because I recorded it, wideband recording, video recordings, and handed it to different people, and they tried all the known codes on it, and it doesn't decode.
So some sort of government secret code, most likely.
There are all sorts of transmissions going on right now, which are definitely psychoactive, whether they're on purpose or accidental, I really don't know.
And they seem to have effect on the subliminal level on our consciousness.
Okay, theoretically, it can be done with any human being, but you want a person Who is trained that when he concentrates, his whole fiber, his whole being concentrates on the one thing?
That's a specially trained person.
Theoretically, any one of us could be trained to do it if we went through the training and we had the capabilities and the qualities, whatever that is.
Duncan Cameron is a very unique individual, being able to, he can only concentrate on one thing at a time.
He can't concentrate on multiple tasks.
He's so trained to go one thing at a time.
See, the human being has to create a virtual reality in his mind.
And then the equipment picks out the emanations of that reality to him.
So, of course, the more complete that reality is, the more complete the transform or the metaphysical thought form would be.
And so you're saying an individual using this process without equipment could create anything from a material object to a being or an entity or a monster.
When they went to try to create living beings, they had trouble creating living beings because now you need a much higher degree of information and fidelity.
what made montauk the other end of it in other words what focused on montauk is the other end or how did that What this is, you take a photograph of a person.
That photograph carries their signature or whatever you want to call it.
That's a witness.
We made sure that we had a witness from Montauk to the Eldridge by having some of the equipment on the Eldridge, physically part of the Montauk system.
We had people present that were on both projects, and then they used the Earth biorhythm cycle as the final witness effect and guarantee the lock-up of the two projects through space and time.
And there's rumors that this may have even ripped open hyperspace enough to allow all the UFOs that have come in recently since 47.
I do believe that this is testing alien concepts, either gathered from down UFOs or from the legendary alien treaty with the U.S. government, you know, trading people for technology.
Again, let's go into the basic technology that's allowing all of this.
And in some detail, in other words, if I wanted to set up something that would bend space and time, or that I could begin to focus waves to affect biological entities, what kind of technology would I use?
Well, if you did it the way the government did it, their benchmark was, let's kill flies with a sledgehammer.
Lots and lots of power.
They had a final amplifier in their transmitter, which had an input of at least 200 million watts of power, wasted half of that in heat, heated the Atlantic Ocean with it, and put out 100 million watts.
That means to do anything, you would have to build maybe one hundredth of that.
Means you'd have to build a megawatt transmitter and then pulse the thing.
Frequency, hop it, and pulse it.
Then you would have to somehow correlate this to represent a fractal-based frequency time transform.
But still at Montauk, they used tremendous amounts of power because they were trying to bend the space-time continuum, and it takes tremendous amounts of power.
Any quantum physicist will tell you that.
It takes something like 5,000 and 10,000 ampere per meter magnetic field.
They told me that we were working on equipment to interface human beings to technology, the mind of man to technology, which was very interesting to me.
That's why the monster was created to crash the project.
Because Duncan, especially, was saying things that the rest of us didn't dare say.
Duncan found God exercise.
We don't know what happened, but all of a sudden he calls a meeting and says, hey, this thing is going totally into the lower world and the lower domains.
It's getting very evil.
Of course, we all knew this, but we didn't have the guts to say it.
And we all agreed, yes, yes, yes.
What do we do?
Well, we've got to bring this thing down.
How do we do it?
Well, let's create this big, hungry, nasty monster that will scare them into crashing it.
I've got a number of questions for you, Preston, faxed in, and then we'll get to the telephones.
Art, I would like to ask Preston whether there is a possibility that the occurrences at Amityville, New York could somehow be related to the Montauk Project.
I got this thought while reading his book, Montauk Revisited.
We didn't find anything to back up the bleeding walls.
I myself feel that this is something that maybe there was a genuine haunting, but the fellow that wrote the book just blew this thing way out of proportion.
No, because the Super Collider came afterwards, although we have been getting a lot of information lately that they are using particle accelerators as particle beam weapons because a particle beam power source or a particle beam amplifier.
This is where they use particles going to the velocity of light doing the mass energy conversion based upon E equals mc squared.
I will tell the public that the physicists have reached the speed of light with particles and that they today are using this as a power source or a power amplifier.
Imagine a power amplifier that can tap the power of a nuclear bomb literally.
This may be where they got all the power to bend space and time at Montauk.
We know there was a particle accelerator and I believe it's active today because once myself and other people walking over it got a dose of some sort of radiation.
All we've got to do is accelerate particles to C. They do it by starting out with a large accelerator, dumping into a smaller one, into a smaller one yet.
And each time you go to a smaller and smaller one, the velocity just goes up.
Remember, as you bring the particles closer in in a circle, what happens, the momentum makes them go faster and faster.
And at some point, you're going to reach C, the speed of light.
And magical things happen when you reach the speed of light.
Well, what you have to do is you have to consider the level of consciousness and awareness this thing is operating at, and you just got to raise your level of awareness above that.
The mind, if it's aware of what's going on, the mind can automatically protect against this.
That's part of why I'm putting this information out, to let people know what's going on so they got an idea of how to protect themselves on a subconscious level.
But we also know, you and I know anyway, and I don't know how many other people know, but he was also instrumental in some of the accelerators where they actually created antimatter.
We've often been, you know, friends of mine and myself, the nuclear physicists, have often been joking, well, someday we'll say, gee, there used to be nice land out at Montauk.
The particle accelerator went south, and now there's a black hole there.
All right, on the wildcard line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols.
Good evening.
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Oh, good evening, Art.
Yes, sir.
I had a question for your guest.
Before the last commercial break, he spoke briefly about him and some of his colleagues turning against this project because things were getting, he said, evil.
If you could have him expand on that and tell us a little bit more about exactly what he meant by the evil nature the project was taking.
Well, I feel the whole mind control aspect of the thing is evil.
Man is meant to have a free mind, not to be dominated.
Also, they were working in maneuvering and manipulating time so certain people would have power that probably shouldn't have power, or the power group would get more power and they get more oppressive and the whole nine yards of this.
I guess if you start doing things out of character, that would be a good sign of it.
Also, if you had the monitoring equipment, if you knew what to listen for, if you're educated in a radio like you and I are, you could probably pick this up on a radio and notice the very sharp, edgy tones that would appear on your radio.
And I've been listening to you and your guest, and the one thing you said just before the news were talking about all the bad things going on around the country, you know, the shootings and the mindless crimes and that kind of thing.
But what I'm wondered about is actually changing the mind of people so that they might vote, you know, in a certain way, you know, like and I wondered about that sometimes when the polls, you know, say, so-and-so is way ahead and here comes a competitor charging out of the woodwork, you know, with no apparent change in his campaign tactics.
And all of a sudden, and I know there's, you know, the surveys, even the most scientific ones, have a margin of error, but sometimes it just almost looks like it's unexplainable.
And I'm wondering if they're already doing something like that, if that might be an explanation for it.
Preston, do you think, I mean, something that specific, trying to get somebody to vote or act in a certain way, it certainly is possible from what you've been telling us, right?
Einstein was asked the question on time travel once, and he brought up a very interesting situation, saying that if you were to travel back in time and prevent yourself from being born, you would create an absurdity because you already exist.
And since absurdities don't exist in science, doesn't that mean that time travel as far as going backwards is impossible?
Wouldn't you have to, wouldn't it mean that there would have to be almost two different is it possible that there might be two realities, parallel realities?
There could be a reality which is just as valid, which is just as valid that I, Charlie, am actually, say, a host of a radio show and say, Art Bell is actually a liberal calling in.
That could actually be a reality in another parallel exist.
Explain to the audience, because there's a lot of people out there who don't have any scientific knowledge.
Could you quickly, I know this is a little bit off the subject, but could you quickly explain to people out in the audience who are listening why it's unlikely that the Earth is that young?
Like I said, the name of the book is Mine Machines You Can Build.
But with this device, they said at long distances, they could, like a 20-acre cornfield that was infested with bugs or whatever, that they would have a 90% kill rate just by consciously focusing on the pitching.
Age, not age, age, AGE, I'm not going to say this is impossible because we have theories today which are stating that there's an energy lattice, a energetic replication of the DNA of the human being,
which is magnetically coupled into the genome, into the DNA, and that there are many levels of DNA, and aging is essentially the loss of control of the differentiation of the DNA from the quantum electromagnetic pattern that we're calling a lattice.
If you can somehow restore this control, theoretically you could grow back to whatever portion of the DNA you would activate.
Now, Al speaks of being age regressed back to a one-year-old baby.
I don't know whether or not the DNA is still there for that.
Now, also, I run into one other person that the only thing that explains what's happened to him, and he's being truthful, I feel, is some sort of age regression.
Now, I have not heard reports from other sources on this.
See, when I hear a report like this, I consider where it's coming from, and I like to get maybe five or six reports saying, yes, age regression has happened.
I haven't had it.
I've only had Albielik himself, one other source which I don't consider at all credible, and now the one we've run into very recently.
So, again, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but also I think it's a quite fantastic story that I wish was true.
Right, I was going to say, I was going to ask you, Preston, if it's possible to travel in time, and I went back to, say, 1950, my chronological age at the end of the travel would still be what it is at just roughly the moment I left, wouldn't it?
Because it's being suggested by a lot of learned geneticists that Dr. Glenn Ryan has shown a lot of research that subtle or quantum electromagnetic waves do affect the way the double helix is wrapped up.
Well, I'd like to say at this point that if someone comes and asks me how much the legend is true, I would tell them the Philadelphia experiment is true, the mind control aspiration, the mind control part of the project is probably 90 odd percent correct.
I'm just not sure exactly how well the time tunnel worked.
That would be my asset, you know, my assessment of how successful they were.
So I thoroughly believe the mind control worked, and it's thoroughly possible.
The only thing is they could not at that time work on mass population using the particle beam system that interacts with the brain directly.
Today it is because you see before you used to go in with a signature to the non-physical mind.
Today they're using a particle beam to modulate the particle interchange between the synaptic interchanges in the brain, to either read patterns or to modulate patterns on the brain.
Well, it just focuses on a specific part of the brain, and then your mind starts to look in that area, and you can see things in your own mind and hear things.
It sounds like you're in a room full of people, and there's nobody around.
Or you can see eyes blinking in front of you and all kinds of things.
It's all in your own mind.
It's not outside your mind like a hologram.
But it does exist, and it doesn't take anything except call the FCC to find out.
Essentially, by taking what a person could dream or generating a virtual reality and transmitting it through a very powerful transmitter and bringing it into our physical reality.
The closest thing, there was an old Star Trek episode where Captain Jerk bought something called a gorn that sort of looked like what I saw at Montfauk.
Somebody is manipulating the weather because I have picked up the signals.
All you've got to do is tune your HF receiver and you'll discover increases in what appears to be the background noise over as little as 300 kilohertz bandwidth.
And we're still finding emanations in the same frequency range to this day.
I first got excited thinking I was taking up the signal out of time from the 70s and the 80s, like, hey, and I realized, no, this is generated today.
If they're doing something like this today, fitting the specs, sending out a very strong ELS signal that I picked up on coils as pulses without a carrier, and the carrier, if they're still sending out, that means the equipment I'm describing is there to this day producing signal, and it probably was there in the 70s and the 80s, and they probably were playing back then.
Yes, well, for example, Brett, not just the shootings, the mindless headshaker shootings that are going on, but society's behavior in general is very strange indeed, and is deteriorating, In my view, in the view of most others who stand back and view it, things are out of control.
The state of civilization is less.
People's tempers are short.
And when it's the worst case, they're picking up guns and shooting each other.
You've got to think of all this stuff that they're sending out into the ether, purposefully or accidentally, is like someone sitting tapping on your head with a hammer.
I'm just going to throw a few fast things at you with the back of the telephone.
A massive explosion, as you know, in Ohio Technical.
People there are missing.
Thousands evacuated.
The blast felt about 10 miles away.
Cause unknown.
Another shooting, mindless in Albuquerque.
Three people, I've heard now, dead in Albuquerque.
Some kind of mindless shooting like the one yesterday in Florida.
And the beat goes on.
And the band plays on.
And is it mind control?
I don't know.
But I think that I know this.
It was not always so.
Oh, there have always been incidents.
But this number of them?
Well, yes, we have a mass media reporting on them now.
But we still have newspapers.
We've had newspapers for a long time, and I think it can be pretty well documented.
We've not had these numbers, these kinds of numbers of mass mindless killings in the past.
Something's going on.
Korea.
This is a really serious problem.
I can't tell you how serious.
The Clinton administration has been putting it off.
They've been grasping at every straw to try to encourage, cajole, even bribe the Koreans, the North Koreans, into not doing what they're obviously doing.
The latest news, NBC reporting that international inspectors were in fact not allowed to look at the critical fuel rods that have just been removed from a reactor to determine whether the Koreans have or have not been diverting fuel for the making of bombs.
Obviously, they are.
Everything's now back up in the air.
The administration's conciliatory words about Korea meaningless.
And what they're going to do now, well, the administration is describing it as a very grave situation.
And something's going to have to happen.
So the whole Korean thing is right back up in the air again.
Anybody's guess is as good as anybody else's.
The administration's point man on Haiti said of the rulers in Haiti yesterday, quote, they've broken their word and cannot be trusted, end quote.
The U.S. now seems ready to send at least advisors into the Dominican Republic.
Vice President Gore was talking about it yesterday.
To try to help seal the border.
It was a very interesting discussion the Vice President had.
He said, well, you know, the military of a sovereign nation have got to be the ones sealing the border.
But he said, substantial help can be provided.
Now, he means American troops.
He means UN trucks, helicopters, and communications equipment to be sent down to the Dominican Republic.
Everything they say is then later challenged or turns out to be not true.
It's incredible.
And as I told you a little while ago, a man identified as a psychiatrist, get this, a psychiatrist, opened fire, using the network's words, for no apparent reason, in a Florida office building.
One dead at the scene.
Another pregnant woman was shot.
She's now dead, the baby she was carrying dead.
Third victim in critical condition.
This is the second time, by the way, it's happened in this building, a place where they take video depositions in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
These incidents are clearly being used to promote gun control.
The latest example of gun control came with the president's turnaround yesterday on the issue, you may recall yesterday on the issue of the MFN, most favored nation trading status for China, and the turnaround.
The network said to mollify the administration critics on this, in other words, the liberals, the president signed a ban on all Chinese weapons and ammunition.
That is a big move.
Narinco and many other companies make a lot of guns, some of them rather inexpensive, like the SKS series, which are purchased in American mosques.
Many of these weapons have been purchased.
With a cutoff of Chinese 7.62 ammunition, I think there's a large question about whether the people who own these guns will be able to obtain ammunition for them.
I think that this is beginning to go a little far for my taste.
There is absolutely nothing about a Chinese SKS that is in any way, particularly with the soft ammunition, the soft point ammunition that's now being used, that in any way you can name is more dangerous than an American-made weapon and indeed not as powerful as many that you can go buy.
So why is he doing this?
Just to take the more inexpensive weapons off the market?
The latest move in gun control.
It's a big move and it hasn't had a lot of discussion, I'm telling you.
Taking all the Chinese weapons, Chinese ammo off the market, that's a gigantic move.
And this goes into the category of rumors.
This was sent to me by Larry McCory up in Alaska, I believe.
He says, I'm writing to report some information that I just heard.
This can be verified by talking to State Representative Charles Duke of Colorado.
Apparently, he has heard that Clinton will sign an executive order on Sunday banning ammunition, sale, manufacture, and possession.
Then on June 6th, he will sign another one ordering the confiscation of guns.
I find this hard to believe, but wanted to let you know just in case it might be true.
I heard this third or fourth hand, so it may not be true.
I hope you can check it out before the radio program tonight.
Well, I couldn't check it out, but I wanted to relay it.
It is, again, as far as I know, only a rumor.
There is a new Catholic catechism said to be the most complete document of its kind since the Bible.
That's what NBC said.
And Catholicism has defined the following to be a sin.
Mercy killing, as no doubt, in the case of Dr. Kvorkian, a sin.
Artificial insemination, a sin.
Prenatal diagnosis with a view toward a sex abortion, a sin.
And surely I agree with the third, but not with the first two.
Mercy killing a sin?
Oh, hard to believe a reasonable God, my way of my perspective of reasonableness, uh would uh regard as a mortal sin uh the the taking of life uh to prevent suffering artificial insemination uh a sin i don't know debatable but that that those are three items three new sins not really new just sort
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subject of plugs i've got a gun store in las vegas that uh...
was a sponsor for me on the or is a sponsor for me i should say uh...
entities swift down on blue diamond road so if you're in the local area you might take a ride down there and the reason i say this is because i'm beginning to get upset very upset again about the level of gun control going on and it is my view that purchasing a gun is a damned good way to uh...
control and i'll tell you right now i went out yesterday and bought myself a couple ask cases and i'm glad i did idea i will i wrote i'll tell you when i heard about this latest gun ban i didn't swallow it i didn't believe it at first and i got angry red faced angry and so my reaction was as it has been in the past to run bygone because the physical complex cases i couldn't
resist and it's a good way to protest anyway listen to this clinton has man arrested for unfriendly question
bill kelly a chicago conservative actors activist attended bill clinton's town hall meeting on seven twenty six of ninety three he asked clinton from the floor during the question and answer session why he insisted upon blaming republicans for gridlock and his proposed tax hikes when he clearly had a democratic majority in both houses of congress well clinton didn't like the unfriendly question and have the secret service agents
Kelly at his home later that evening and charge Kelly with quote willfully and knowingly entering and remaining in a cordoned off and restricted area of a building where the president of the U.S. was temporarily visiting end quote Kelly who had no previous police record was kept for two days in a holding pen secured with leg shackles and Handcuffs.
A federal indictment is asking for a six-month prison term.
Editors note: the moral to this story is that anyone can be arrested, indicted, and declared a criminal for anything in the USA today.
And the lesson Kelly learned is not to cross Bill Clinton behind his surface charm.
He can indeed play hardball.
And I thought that was an incredible record.
The source is the McAlvany MCAL VANY Intelligence Advisor.
So all I can do on that one is give you my source.
I can't vouch for the story.
That's a damn incredible story, isn't it?
But it is indeed not beyond belief.
A record 27.9 million Americans receiving food stamps, at latest count, the Food and Nutrition Service said, citing lingering effects of recession and the nation's slow economic recovery.
27.96 million people getting the stamps.
That's one in nine now.
One in nine in America.
All right.
Well, that's it.
I'll get the phone lines open now.
I've just, well, in just a moment, I will.
I can't tell you how upset I am about this latest gun ban.
Again, it's not quite across the line because it's not yet taking anybody uh taking any guns away from anybody.
It simply is preventing future acquisition.
but man it's getting close you you Wildcard line, you're on the air.
You know, I think I'd kind of like to have somebody, if Hillary's going to run for president in the year 2000, I'd like to see somebody like Linda Thompson run against her.
Well, I'll tell you, that would be a whole different story.
But I've seen no sign yet that she's changing or modifying what she's saying.
Have you?
unidentified
No.
The lady's got a lot of guts, and she's serious.
You know how Russia more or less broke up just because of the socialism, the communism?
You hear, I don't know about yourself, but I listen to a lot of talk radio shows, and I hear a lot of the Western states are talking about possibly maybe if it continues to go in the route that it's going as far as the federal government getting more and more power over the states, talking about seceding from the Union.
Do you think it's ever going to get to that, where we seriously?
I think that these sovereignty movements, these Tenth Amendment movements, and possibly secession movements are beginning to coalesce, and there's going to be a breaking point and a crunch point with the federal government.
When that will come and what issue it will be over, I cannot tell you, but I tell you it's coming.
unidentified
Well, you know, Art, what is it, Sarah Brady, Gun Control Incorporated, do they call themselves?
Yeah, if they're going to start to try to actually take guns away from people, then it's a whole new ballgame, and I think that could begin an insurrection because there would be incidents, there would be shooting, there would be killing, and there would be martyrdom.
And those are the ingredients from which comes a real civil war.
What would be wrong with how would that work to just warn the people over there around that plant in Korea and tell them you've got 20 minutes, the bomb is on its way, we're going to erase it?
I wanted to get a couple of hours of talk radio in this morning, two-way talk, and that's what we're now doing.
Lots to talk about.
Grab a telephone.
Feel free to join us.
There is a large, suspicious full moon out there this evening, and that is usually meaningful in the world of talk radio.
I cannot tell you at any given moment what it means.
I can simply tell you something meaningful will happen.
I know not what.
Full moons do that.
They affect us all.
I have for years been convinced of that doing talk radio.
Trust me, I know.
There's a certain edge that people have when the moon is full.
And I don't really exactly know why or what it is.
I just know that it is true.
And if you talk to people in hospital emergency rooms, if you talk to people that serve the public in all kinds of critical areas, you will find they too very much understand it is true.
So there it is.
It's full tonight.
It's particularly beautiful in the desert.
We shall see now what it will bring.
You're not tied to any of the topics that I've laid out for you, just a few things to think about.
Well, I think that we should do something like that.
I'm willing to get it off, start it off.
Before September 19th rolls around and a bunch of people get killed, maybe in July 4th, around there, we need to get something to where we headed up to Washington in a peaceful manner.
Bring your video cameras so that no one, if anyone starts shooting at us, we got them on video.
But with no guns, just a peaceful Protest have people contribute only for transportation to Washington and get something like that on the ground.
But a quick comment before that about that question you had when you were talking to Preston Nichols.
the Eldridge could easily have generated the power that Al Beulick was talking about because it was working off of Tesla's black box theory which I've actually seen into the guts of a copy of the black box there's a guy up here in the Seattle area who has the patent for
Okay.
Look, I just wanted to say that, but about gun control, do they have gun control in Vancouver, Washington?
And the rate of violence does not decrease with the disappearance of guns.
People just turn to other forms of violence, other weapons.
I'm living about this last little slice or big slice of gun control.
You know what got that done?
The president, who wanted to mollify some of his liberal critics because he had to go and do the back shuffle on the MFN for China, the White House feared so much criticism that they threw in a gun ban just to quiet the left.
I have watched administrations of cities, of states, of the federal government actually go out, for example, and take into custody, protective custody, some people out there talking to themselves on the streets.
Homeless people.
People who seem to have genuine psychological problems and try to do something.
And do you know what the reaction on the left was?
Lawsuit.
Lawsuit.
Police state.
That's right.
And they've gone to court, for example, and had people that were being studied released.
Released.
People who I think almost any of you on looking at this person or listening to them for a while would agree that they are very psychologically troubled.
The left went to court to have them cut loose and got them cut loose.
Well, it all has to do with the age of the earth and all the rest of it.
Anyway, sir, go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, well, the next ones are, why do, when humans are in embryos, or all mammals for that matter, do they have gill slits?
and the second one is a challenge to the bible of how did noah possibly get all the species all the known and all the unknown species and the provisions for them on a boat for a hundred and twenty days and he would have to get all the marine organisms on the boat too because they couldn't survive the Thanks for the call.
For the first time ever, all planets will be aligned on one side of the sun.
What does that mean?
If anything.
On the Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Yeah, this is Marie in Marysville.
And when you were talking to him about the reversal, he mentioned that it's happened before quite a few times on the plate magnetic, the north and south.
You were talking about the Chinese and most favored nation.
Yes.
Clinton, I guess, signed that order banning all guns and ammunition from China.
Yeah, it's going to dry it up to some extent, but there are other countries like Egypt, Yugoslavia, and other places that you'll still be able to get ammunition from.
And it's in, well, you know, it's just something, you know, if you have any, it's best not to go out and just, you know, plink with it because you may need it sometime down the road.
And I think a lot of people have noticed the changes over the years, you know, the way that the government has tried to ban different things and take away our rights.
Yes, I'd like to disagree with you on, well, I agree with you with the part where you oppose Clinton's flip-flopping on it, but I disagree with you as to the intelligence of his final choice on the China policy.
Oh, I think it was the only choice, and I'll make my case, but I'll let you make yours first.
Why do you think he should have stuck with the link between human rights and trade?
unidentified
Well, for one thing, he had stated very strongly for at least two years that there was this link, that it was correct that there'd be a link, and that Bush, who had also conceded that there should be a link, had not enforced what Bush had said.
So by doing what he did, aside from the fact that I believe morally China is corrupt morally and has killed millions of Chinese and is destroying Tibet, which never receives any notice in news media, for this reason, I believe that it just shows Chinese can just thumb their noses at us at any time, which they've been doing for years, whenever we make an ultimatum or a request or a demand, and they always win.
And this just shows that they can basically do whatever they want, and it shows other people in the world.
In 15 years, China is going to be the world's largest economy.
There are certain things that we cannot ignore.
That, believe me, is one of them.
We have certain choices in this world, either we, economically, that is, and either we're part of the solution or, in effect, we're going to be part of the problem.
And while it's great to hold the flag up for human rights, we've got to go on eating, so to speak.
unidentified
Well, you know, see, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy problem.
You can say, yes, it'll be the biggest economy in so many years.
God, I wish that you would not have taken that approach because I am almost forced to agree that's a possibility, Sam.
But it is a possibility.
unidentified
I mean, I hate to say that, but I believe Clinton's the one-term president, and I hope the Republicans get their act together, because if they don't do an incompetent job of campaigning like in 1992, they could get it back.
But I have, unfortunately, I have faith in the Republicans as being almost as incompetent as the Democrats.
I mean, I'm a Republican, but I think they're going to salivate, and then they're going to end up putting some candidate in there who's weak who Clinton can attack.
But failing that, I think the Republicans get it back, because Clinton, I feel these scandals, there's enough time for all these scandals to just age and just to mellow by the time the 96 campaign comes around.
And the one part that causes me to hiccup a little bit is his assertion the Clinton administration isn't bright enough to make a deal like that.
You know, Nixon would have.
In other words, in backtracking on his policy, which really was the right thing to do, he would have at least made some political capital from it, have realized some under-the-table deal with the Chinese that they wouldn't interfere with what inevitably is going to have to be done in Korea.
Fighting the Koreans will be bloody enough.
Fighting the Chinese could be catastrophic.
So beyond the economic pressure, there are the political considerations I just outlined.
They are not trivial.
But what he said worries me.
Because he could be right.
Here's a fact I just got.
Art Bell, are you willing to pay the cost of the drug prohibition, the complete loss of your right to bear arms?
If I recall my history, the prohibition against machine guns was a result of bootleggers' misuse of this weapon during the 1930s alcohol prohibition.
Now, drug dealers are misusing assault guns, handguns, and semi-automatic rifles.
Does anybody doubt that guns will soon be prohibited?
It is, after all, a logical government response to a scared population that's demanding simplistic answers to the violent crime problem.
Over the last 20 years, we've had the war on drugs, the war on crime, the building of more prisons.
Now we have more people in prison than ever before.
We have more drugs, more crime, and fewer civil liberties than ever before.
In other words, I'm saying that China's eventual ascension economically will occur with or without the United States.
The best we could do is probably affect the timeline a little bit, but not the final result.
unidentified
Okay, so let's talk about sort of a hypothetical thing here.
With some country, I don't know what kind of human violations or what kind of conditions the people who make these goods that we're going to enjoy here in this country, I don't know if they're going through any kinds of torture or not to produce items that we're going to enjoy.
But let's talk about Nazi Germany.
Is there a limit on what kind of human suffering we will allow a trading partner to inflict upon its people before we can say, hey, maybe I can do without this nice little item for 10% cheap that I have to pay if it came from someplace else?
Is there a limit?
Is there any point that the people of the United States care about humanity and suffering?
I'm going to make you president for a second, all right?
Let me do that.
Let me make you president.
Can I?
All right.
Here's the situation, Mr. President.
On the one hand, I'm sorry, but I have to verify for you, Mr. President, despite your presidential signature on a document not long ago outlining what China would have to do, and we know about the campaign promises you made, Mr. President, but there's two things that we've got to tell you, Mr. President.
On the other side of the coin, with these human rights violations, we have a situation where we're probably going to end up going to war with North Korea, or may well have to.
China's position at that critical juncture is important beyond our ability to state it.
Not just for the people that are repressed in China, but for the people that will have to go and fight.
We can fight North Korea, but to get involved in a war with China is not doable.
So there is that consideration, Mr. President, plus the billion people in China and the inevitability of their economy.
So weigh those two factors against the human rights violations and give me a decision.
So what is your decision?
unidentified
Well, a lot of times you have to pay that the price gets greater as you do not face a problem head-on.
So we've got you, Mr. President, and we realize you're a hell of a guy and you don't care about your re-election.
You're going to do what's right for America.
So now we need your decision, Mr. President.
We gave you the factors.
What do you say?
unidentified
I like the way we back down Osam Hussein with our military.
If Clinton hadn't cut our military, if we were a powerful nation again, you know, I mean, we're with Desert Storm.
Mr. President, if my president's words stood for something, if people knew that the United States stand for something, if they weren't going to bet down, they wouldn't call our bluff because they know that we meant business.
And how many Americans, Mr. President, do you suppose are going to die for your principle, for your upholding the principle with regard to human rights?
How many Americans are going to die, Mr. President?
Well, you're not going to be in office very long, I'll tell you that.
What's best for America?
Clearly, the answer is that strategically and economically, the two major things that we think about, what Mr. Clinton did is the right thing.
Well, I'll tell you right now, that picture with the Marines saluting and the guys with their golf carts, the White House AIDS, that is going to go down as one of the visuals from this administration and one of the great visuals of all time to perhaps even rival the kiss in Paris.
unidentified
That's classic.
I mean, that poor Marine is the epitome of grace under pressure.
Well, we're not at war, so the same things don't really apply.
But, you know, North Korea has submarines.
And while our capital ships are pretty well protected, and the noisy old subs that North Korea has really wouldn't have much of a chance of getting one of our capital ships, I don't put it past them but to try something like that.
Now, I'm going to do a little gun panel, not a panel.
I'm going to get two of you.
I want one anti-gunner.
I want one person who wants to ban guns to call me at the bottom of the hour break at Area Code 702-727-1222.
When we go to the bottom of the hour break, anti-gunners, gun grabbers, people who think that every gun on the street ought to be confiscated, call Area Code 702-727-1222.
Everybody else wishing to oppose that position at the bottom of the hour, call 702-727-1295.
I think that the CIA perhaps was involved in, and certainly there was a story on 60 Minutes, but it was in an attempt, a futile, stupid attempt, to catch some druggies where they actually became involved in drug dealing.
As far as the Contras are concerned, I'm sure some of the pilots that went down probably did bring back drugs.
But in terms of the CIA having an active role in sponsoring drug shipments in order to finance the Contra war or anything else, I don't believe that now.
I didn't believe it then.
And it has yet to be proven to me whether somebody writes a book or not.
I was just talking or listening to you about the Chinese war that we possibly might have.
And my father, who's passed away now, when he came back from Korea and said that the Chinese could walk across the ocean, six abreast, and that they could take, or one of their leaders, I can't remember his name, have said that they would take democracy and this country without ever firing a shot.
I think it is important to understand how many Chinese there are.
And I think a lot of Americans don't understand that.
Last census, I believe that we were around 250, 260 million people.
The Chinese have a population roughly four times our population.
China is now beginning to not change politically, but economically they are.
They've got quite a capitalist engine that has started, and China is rapidly changing.
Eventually, economic change will force political change.
There's almost no question about it.
So we have to bide our time, and I think we have to bide it wisely.
So I'm going to say this again.
Extending MFN to China was the right thing to do.
It had to have been a very embarrassing thing for Bill Clinton, considering the poisonous rhetoric that he poured on George Bush for so long about coddling the Chinese communists and all the rest of it.
It must have been very internally embarrassing.
Or maybe not.
Maybe Bill Clinton's actually past that.
Either way, it was the right decision.
And then, of course, there is Korea.
unidentified
We'll be back.
From the Coast to Coach AM archives, you're listening to the best of ourselves.
This program was originally broadcast May 27, 1994.
And I thought at the time, and it was just sort of musings, but how can you have sexual harassment when you volunteer to go to bed with somebody now?
Maybe there's the charge that she did it or had to do it to keep her job.
But you know, there is free will, too, isn't there?
In other words, if you don't want to go to bed with somebody, whether it's sexual harassment or not, you can tell them, goodbye.
Kiss off.
Goodbye.
Rivoderchi.
Take your job and your harassment and shove it.
You can say that, right?
So there is free will.
And so I don't know, in cases where people are going to claim later that it was harassment, but indeed the act was ensuing for some time, I think that fact would tend, if I were a juror, to weaken the case in my mind quite a bit.
Well, that's a big drawback as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, if you get seriously into shortwave and you don't have a beat frequency oscillator, at least, much less individual filters, you're going to be very disappointed.
unidentified
I see.
Okay, well, I just enjoy your show.
I just want to let you know that.
Hello, has that buffoon intellectually vapid liberal Charlie called tonight?
When I'm doing a show, when I'm really having fun, and that's most of the time, because I love talk radio, it gets to the point where I don't want it to end, and I get upset with it when it's ending.
Oh, well, Leonard, you're on the wrong side and on the wrong line.
Now, you didn't listen, Leonard.
Thanks for the call.
But I said if you want to confiscate guns, if you think they should be confiscated, if you think the president's doing the right thing, then call me at 702-727-1222.
And you got it backwards, Leonard.
Backwards.
So, we're looking for somebody now that wants to confiscate the guns.
You know, this was a woman that she carried Herself with dignity.
She had an elegance about her.
She went through hell, and she was courageous, and she wanted to be private and so forth.
And so, and this Camelot thing and the whole thing.
And here was somebody we could say some nice things about.
But boy, you should hear people saying, well, she never did anything for the country, and she wasn't even, but she owed us some reasons, and she owed us this, and she owed us that.
I mean, anything to tear somebody down.
It was sort of an elegant lady.
I mean, that we can say that much.
After all, another thing can be said, it raises the old story that she actually made Aristotle Onastis a millionaire, you know.
I would really appreciate it if you would ask those folks out there if they think it might be possible that when God gave us the Bible, made it possible for us to have it and it's been preserved all these years, did he do it because he thought we needed a manual of instruction for life?
Much like we come with your Ford or your shipping?
Okay.
I just think you might get some interesting responses.
I think a lot of people think of the Bible as nothing but sort of a sanctimonious bunch of fairy tales or something.
And I just thought it might be kind of interesting.
It might get people to thinking that there might be some answers in that book to our problems that we're facing.
First of all, let me assure you, sir, that one day your worst fears and my dreams will come true.
I think you and I are in a war, and I think it's a war for the heart of America.
And I believe that the lives of many Americans depend on my side winning that war, and we will do that.
unidentified
One thing, sir, one thing to let you know is that if your side ever attempts to go ahead and confiscate our weapons, there will be lives of many people shed.
And as Jefferson stated, the Tree of Liberty will be fertilized with the blood of patriots and traitors.
What I'm saying is that you guys do not understand the Second Amendment.
That's all I'm saying.
unidentified
And the courts are the militia as a whole.
Individual private citizen.
If you look over in the legal definitions of the militia, the militia is any able-bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45 who is not an elected official or a member of the military.
Let's face it, people doing, people, everybody who owns a gun is not part of the militia because there are some evil, crazy people out there that I would not want to be called.
unidentified
You're correct, Charlie, on the saying that there are some evil, crazy people.
And if you look in the mirror, you will see one of them.
Well, no, I think, here's what's going to happen in the next 20 years, because I don't think right now it would be possible to confiscate guns.
But I think in the next 20 years, because the way we're going to go about this, and I think this is the best way to do it, is that it's kind of like a landing on a beach.
You first have to bombard, and after you bombard, then you can invade.
And I think you guys are going to be, in the next 20 years, you guys, the gun nuts, like yourself, are going to be turned basically into pariahs in this country.
You're going to become more and more untyped.
unidentified
All the way around, sir.
And you guys are going to be the ones that are going to be turned into what you call pariahs.
In the past few months alone, the rate of gun sales and gun ammunition in this country has surpassed the rate of it for several previous years combined.
Perfect example was the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
If somebody out of 1962 had been told that you could go into the South right now and a black guy could go and do anything he basically wanted in the South, that person would have told you that you're crazy.
that was only twenty five thirty years ago the i'd like a very good It's an inalienable right.
It is not an inalienable right.
You guys are going to find it.
unidentified
The right to have a weapon and the right to protect yourself is an inalienable right.
What's going to happen is that your wife's going to get mad at you one night, like happens thousands of times in the U.S. every night and blow you away.