May 27, 1994 - Art Bell
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From the Coast to Coast AM Archives, you're listening to the best of our fell. | |
| This program was originally broadcast May 27, 1994. | ||
| Please do not call. | ||
| From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening or good morning, whatever the case may be. | ||
| And it varies across the time zone. | ||
| Uh, so hello there. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Welcome to another edition of Coast to Coast, AMPM. | ||
| My guest is indeed from Pipeline Type of New York, Preston Nichols. | ||
| And in effect, he's going to pick up where Al Billick left off. | ||
| And many of you, I know many of you, are very familiar with the story of the Philadelphia Experiment. | ||
| And Al Billick. | ||
| Don't know a lot about Preston Nichols and the Longhawk Project, but as you know, Al Bilick referred to it as part of the Philadelphia Experiment, so it's been a great curiosity for me and for many of you. | ||
| And we are honored, therefore, to have Preston Nichols with us. | ||
| This evening, let's go all the way to East Iceland, New York. | ||
| And Preston Nichols. | ||
| Preston, are you there? | ||
| Yes, I'm here. | ||
| Well, welcome to the program. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| The pleasure is mine. | ||
| Preston, I don't have any sort of biographical sketch on you, so why don't you tell me, tell everybody who you are? | ||
| I'm essentially an electrical engineer, graduated from the University of Tampa, attended Polytechnic Institute of New York. | ||
| I've worked in the military-industrial establishment for a number of years, worked on many secret projects, including the Montauk Project. | ||
| Okay, are you retired now? | ||
| I consider myself semi-retired. | ||
| I've been forced to be semi-retired. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I have my own business now. | ||
| You have your own business, all right. | ||
| You want to tell us what kind of business? | ||
| We do electronics manufacturing, small manufacturing, R ⁇ D work, testing. | ||
| We do rebuilding of electronic equipment for the small industries on Long Island here. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| All right, Preston. | ||
| What in the world is or was, is the Montauk Project still going on? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| When did it begin, and what can you tell us about it? | ||
| Well, as far as we know, it traces back to about 1947 when they decided to restart the Philadelphia experiment to find out what actually went wrong and why the people on the boat were not able to take the field. | ||
| As we've all heard before, the Philadelphia experiment is where they attempted to make a ship, a Navy ship radar invisible. | ||
| They got total invisibility and the thing disappeared. | ||
| They got sucked into a hole in hyperspace between 1943 and 1983. | ||
| So what actually happened is they did a lot of R ⁇ D work. | ||
| The project split into two. | ||
| The engineering went to Los Alamos, we believe, and that's where they developed the CELT technology. | ||
| It's on the third level of the CELT aircraft these days. | ||
| The other part of the project, which was the Human Factors Project, went to Brookhaven National Laboratories, which was the largest human factors research in the United States. | ||
| This is now about 1950, we believe. | ||
| It joined what was known as the Phoenix Project, which was a very large, all-encompassing research project involving research into the human mind, the mind of man. | ||
| Starting back in World War I and World War II with propaganda, PA systems, resource dropping, this sort of thing, it evolved up through chemical research, drug research. | ||
| After they spun their wheels a lot of time out of Brookhaven Webs, they got the self-technology user-friendly. | ||
| That means human beings could take the fields. | ||
| I cannot go into what that's all about because I did sign security on that. | ||
| They made you sign a paper. | ||
| Well, when you get employment, anything that they have you sign, there would be illegal and jail time to talk about. | ||
| You'd be convicted of espionage. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| See, on the Montauk project, they use different methods of security, which we can get into a little later, where I never signed for it. | ||
| So there will be some of it that you can talk about. | ||
| Yeah, the Montauk Project I can talk of because that I never signed for. | ||
| In fact, officially, I never existed on that project. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| Let's back up a little bit. | ||
| I'm sure that you've heard Al Belick's description of the Philadelphia experiment. | ||
| Yes, I have many times. | ||
| Do you agree with or quarrel with it? | ||
| Or do you think it's accurate? | ||
| Or do you know of any inaccuracies or anything you'd like to correct about what he said about it? | ||
| Well, essentially, what he's saying is very controversial. | ||
| I believe there are many different tests of radar invisibility, total invisibility, that the government research did attempt in World War II, and he's reporting on one test. | ||
| If you read the popular Bill Moore book, Bill Moore compiled all sorts of information, which was a number of different kinds of tests, different kinds of procedures used. | ||
| This is why the book is somewhat confusing. | ||
| I was speaking essentially from personal experience in talking with a lot of other people that he's come across, just as I've come across people. | ||
| The Philadelphia experiment did happen. | ||
| It was definitely a high-energy physics project. | ||
| There is other information coming to the surface saying that Nicole Letesla had an input to it in the beginning. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And, you know, Dr. John Eric von Neumann definitely did work on it. | ||
| He himself told me that. | ||
| And I think Al's idea of what happened on the boat, excuse me, it was pretty much correct. | ||
| Because also I've had the same idea from other witnesses like Duncan Cameron, who was also on the boat with Al. | ||
| I really don't have any quarrels with Al. | ||
| So then you think the story is essentially correct? | ||
| It's essentially correct. | ||
| I think he may have missed some items and some of the points. | ||
| One thing that I've found is I've interviewed a lot of people who talk about time travel, talk about alien spacecraft and the way space might be warped and the way it might be jumped across, in fact, and the technologies that they're talking about are strikingly similar to the one that Al Belick told us about. | ||
| Well, again, we're discussing here what happens when you pulse a magnetic field to extremely strong levels. | ||
| It's well known in the quantum physics world that if you pulse a magnetic field beyond, I believe it's a thousand Tesla field strength, it is highly possible to bend space and time. | ||
| Now, if you can control this, it is theoretically possible to gain control of space and the time continuum, which would lead to the ideas that all this stuff you hear coming out of the UFO legends has some scientific basis behind it. | ||
| Although a lot of the physicists will not accept the idea that there are parallel multiple realities, but your quantum physics is beginning to accept that idea at this point, and a lot of them always have. | ||
| What was the mission of the Montauk project? | ||
| What were they trying to do, accomplish? | ||
| What was the central theme? | ||
| Well, after the stealth technology was developed, it was suggested that this is the first time we have definite evidence that the mind of man is sensitive to electromagnetic fields. | ||
| Let's research this further and develop population control. | ||
| We can weaponize this thing as to make the enemy surrender. | ||
| And, you know, I'm sure the possibilities are mind-boggling at this point. | ||
| Congress said, no, we don't want this. | ||
| This is mind control. | ||
| This is too politically active. | ||
| They were setting up to research literally mind control technologies. | ||
| They went to the military and said, would you be interested in this kind of a weapon? | ||
| Of course, this is every tactician's dream. | ||
| So the military said, yes, we are. | ||
| And they gave them the old Montfauk Air Force Station, which is only about 40 miles away from Brookhaven Labs, that they can do this stuff in secrecy and not be under the watchful eye of the congressional committees. | ||
| Well, when you say mind control, what exactly were they able to do to a person? | ||
| Well, they were able to essentially inject a thought into a person's mind, make him believe it's his own thought, and control what you're thinking and therefore have some effect on what you're doing. | ||
| They could literally read out what you're thinking. | ||
| They can modify your thought patterns. | ||
| Oh? | ||
| And this was done at a distance using radio waves. | ||
| At a distance using radio waves. | ||
| That's what this whole thing was about. | ||
| Remember, it started by studying the effects of electromagnetics on human beings and the cell technology. | ||
| And it evolved into this device that could literally reach into a person's mind. | ||
| At a distance. | ||
| At a distance. | ||
| Up to about thousands of miles. | ||
| We're not sure exactly how far it was. | ||
| All right, Preston, I want you to hold on for a moment. | ||
| We're going to take a break here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The End All right. | ||
| You said you can't talk about the technical aspects of whatever allowed the biologically friendly fields to be applied. | ||
| But can you talk about the technology that allows mind control? | ||
| Or is that one of the things? | ||
| Because I did not sign for that. | ||
| They use mind control to make anyone that worked on the project forget what they did. | ||
| Well, all right. | ||
| What technology is behind that? | ||
| I know radio waves, but radio waves generally are totally harmless and without effect to biological entities. | ||
| They're all around us. | ||
| Well, this, as you've probably been reaching, this is coming up to a lot of debate at this point, exactly how harmless are these electromagnetic waves. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Most of our waves that we do deal with in our environment are what we call continuous waves, CW, like coming out of your radio transmitter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Human beings are sensitive to pulse waves, fast on and off, semi-random fractal base type modulations in pulse form. | ||
| They use pulse frequency and pulse amplitude. | ||
| It's a very, very specialized form of modulation resembling some very modern chirp-type radar signals. | ||
| All right, so it's a true pulse then. | ||
| It's not just a pulse modulation? | ||
| It's a true pulse. | ||
| It's a frequency-hopping pulse. | ||
| Frequency hopping? | ||
| Yes, it goes from frequency to frequency to frequency. | ||
| If you tune it in on a radio receiver, it just sounds like a crack at a particular Frequency, then it goes to another frequency, you got another crack, and it hops around from frequency to frequency. | ||
| Montauk had about 20 different frequencies they hop between 420 and 460 megahertz. | ||
| 420 and 460 again, that's interesting. | ||
| The Russians are using something, something or another, that we call the woodpecker. | ||
| Well, that's the HF. | ||
| That's HF, is correct. | ||
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And that's the same similar type of modulation scheme. | |
| Is it? | ||
| Again, it's a pulse with a chirp inside the pulse. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I've looked at the Russian woodpecker. | ||
| In fact, we have what we call Over-the-Horizon radar here, which looks almost identical but much more sophisticated. | ||
| And when that first appeared on the air, I called the FCC and asked them what it was, and they said it was the American version. | ||
| It was the American Over-the-Horizon radar. | ||
| And I said, oh, you mean like the Russian woodpecker? | ||
| And he said, yeah, it's our version of the woodpecker. | ||
| I see. | ||
| And so then you're saying that with the right kind of pulse in the right frequency range. | ||
| Not the frequency range, how you hop from frequency to frequency. | ||
| Remember, you're building essentially a hologram, a holographic type information packet out of delta frequency information and delta amplitude information and delta phase. | ||
| Of course, phase and frequency is the same. | ||
| Remember, you're dealing here with very fast deltas. | ||
| You have to integrate this into essentially a random ordered white noise pattern built very much on fractals. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's assume then that all of this, which is going to begin to get above some of their heads and perhaps mine as well, all of this would affect a biological entity. | ||
| It's a very unique type of radio signal. | ||
| The next question is, how would you make it specific to any particular biological entity? | ||
| That is very interesting itself. | ||
| See, at the Montour Project, we use what we call a witness or a signature. | ||
| A signature is a group of frequencies, the electromagnetic frequency transform, which represents a particular human being, like a set of fingerprints. | ||
| You would perceive a holographic thought with the signature, transmit the thought, and then follow it with the signature. | ||
| That signature would identify it as a person's particular thought. | ||
| All you would have to do is identify the person's signature, and as the signal was being generated, it would be transmitted with that signature. | ||
| Montauk essentially was what we like to call a mind amplifier. | ||
| Yes, okay, I'm beginning to get it. | ||
| So an individual then is required as part of the, in effect, the transmitted portion. | ||
| Yeah, the overall signal that was being transmitted was generated by a human being at Montauk. | ||
| They had a group of sensors that picked up his holographic thought pattern, processed it through a very large computer system, and then put it into a modified radar transmitter. | ||
| And that's where I came into the picture because I was the one that was in charge of modifying the radar transmitter. | ||
| Oh, that's incredible. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So that's how you got into this. | ||
| You were actually essentially built a mind amplifier. | ||
| Yeah, I understand. | ||
| A mind amplifier. | ||
| And you led to all sorts of things, including mind control, precipitation of objects. | ||
| You know, there were all sorts of things that were done from this. | ||
| Because if a person sitting at the input of this could visualize that object in their artificial reality or virtual reality, this equipment had the capability of making it real. | ||
| We're talking probably at least 100 million watts continuous, not pulse, power that they had out there. | ||
| Because the thing was modified to what's known as BMUs, which had 100 megawatt continuous power. | ||
| Did it actually create an object or did it create the vision of an object? | ||
| It could do either one, depending upon the fidelity of the transform being reproduced through the equipment. | ||
| Like you could picture if your signal coming out of your transmitter was complete enough, it would be theoretically possible to recreate you at the other end. | ||
| The reason you can't is one, the receiver doesn't have enough power, then the information channel from the transmitter to the receiver is nowhere near high enough fidelity in the other dimensions and realities required to do it. | ||
| This is what we try to do at Montauk, was bring up this fidelity factor of broadcast. | ||
| What could you get an individual to do? | ||
| You say you could put an idea in an individual's mind. | ||
| How much power of suggestion could you accomplish? | ||
| Okay, I really don't know because that's the logistics of the project. | ||
| You remember, the information was very compartmentalized. | ||
| And a legend, this is reports from people who I've spoken to told me that they can get a person to do almost anything they want. | ||
| This is the way it was put. | ||
| That almost the sky was the limit. | ||
| God, that's incredible. | ||
| I wanted to program somebody to be an assassin. | ||
| Preston, is time travel possible? | ||
| Well, the thing you have to keep in mind is if you go into pure metaphysics, the non-physical mind is a ripple or a transform or a form on the space-time continuum. | ||
| If you're going to get your way into the non-physical mind, you've got to generate a time wave, which is like a warping or a repetitive bending of the time function. | ||
| Now, if you could get into this, you have the remnants of a time machine. | ||
| Now, I know when things were being created out of real time, what I mean is when the concentration would be at 3 o'clock in the afternoon and the object would appear early or after that time, they got very excited, shut the project down for a couple of months, and sent us all back to school to learn about time. | ||
| I know they were interested in time manipulation, but of course, who wouldn't be? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, being that we're compartmentalized, I have no personal knowledge of how successful the time portal to say was. | ||
| Again, people who had worked with the time portal tell us that it was stable, that it was usable meaning you could travel in time meaning physically travel to another time okay now the newer quantum theories even those theories appearing in scientific american are saying that there are multiple realities where time is different and | ||
| Because of the multiple realities, all time does coexist. | ||
| And it's possible to move from point A to point B in time. | ||
| And they're saying either it's possible to go into the future, which has a lot to say about is the future predestined or isn't it? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you can travel into the future, to me, it means that we're already predestined as to what's going to happen. | ||
| I believe if you make a time loop from point A to point B, you just predestined between point A and point B. All right. | ||
| Preston Nichols is my guest. | ||
| He was involved in the Montauk Project. | ||
| And apparently there's more going on with it than I thought there was. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're going to take our break here at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| Come back and we'll get some phone lines open shortly if you have questions. | ||
| Time travel, mind control, the Montauk Project. | ||
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Time travel, mind control, the Montauk Project. | |
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| This program originally aired May 27, 1994. | ||
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"It was more than just a parent involvement in a related weapons systems development that was going on with the Philadelphia experiment. | |
| But mind control apparently and more." This is a fax that came... | ||
| Actually, it's not. | ||
| It came to me on America Online, on computer service, internet. | ||
| And it was Greg in San Diego. | ||
| Your guest tonight has remarked that a particular technology had to be reduced to accommodate humans. | ||
| Could he elaborate on that statement without violating the secrecy agreement with the government? | ||
| In other words, is there anything at all that you can tell us about the adaptation of the technology to be biologically friendly? | ||
| Well, let's say first that there are three levels of stealth. | ||
| The first two we hear about quite often, which is the radar cross-section, which is how much radar signal does the thing reflect. | ||
| The second level is absorbing the radar signal. | ||
| Now, if you've seen a picture or seen a stealth bomber or a stealth fighter, you'll know darn well it's a huge pancake. | ||
| And it's not... | ||
| It gives a lot of radar cross-section. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So they didn't do a good job there. | ||
| And I have worked with the absorbing coatings in order to try to cut down reflections inside of component enclosures. | ||
| And that stuff doesn't work all that well. | ||
| Composite materials. | ||
| Composite materials. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So what this is saying is there's got to be a third level. | ||
| The third level is electromagnetic bottle. | ||
| Now, how they made the thing user-friendly in a nutshell, this is alluded to in some of the aircraft publications, the electromagnetic bottle. | ||
| They found out that when they cut off the human being from the natural background clocks, you know, the Schumann resonance and all this sort of thing, he had a tendency to become disoriented. | ||
| Well, no, I don't know what you mean. | ||
| What do you mean when you cut them off from normal human clocks? | ||
| Well, the Earth has a clock. | ||
| It's commonly called the Schumann resonance, discovered by W.O. Schumann, which every time lightning strikes in the cavity between the upper atmosphere, the ionosphere and the Earth, this cavity rings. | ||
| The frequency is around 8 hertz. | ||
| It slows between 7 hertz and 9 hertz, typically depending upon the time of day. | ||
| That's very low. | ||
| Yeah, very, very low. | ||
| And this is sort of what clocks our biological functions. | ||
| Also, this changing of the frequency from night to day is what causes us to wake up, go to sleep. | ||
| It causes a lymphatic flush of the system. | ||
| It also has a lot to do with the alpha beta gamma rhythms in the brain. | ||
| Now, the other problem, they had to, the original technology created a solid field. | ||
| They had to somehow focus this field into a shape. | ||
| shell so that the people were not getting irradiated by this large field i'm not talking atomic radiation but essentially electromagnetic radiation there is a difference yes but either one can be just as dangerous especially when you're using pulse magnetic fields Like they were using to bend space-time to the point where they're just outside of our continuum, so the thing was somewhat invisible, either radar or fully invisible. | ||
| So you could get different levels of stealth depending on how yes, you can. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| They go from either zero being in our reality or 90 degrees out being in the imaginary reality. | ||
| That point, the object is gone. | ||
| What are they doing at Montauk now? | ||
| Well, present day, it is a state park. | ||
| It's listed on all the maps as Department of Parks property. | ||
| The state park that's annexed on to the Montcalm Point State Park. | ||
| It's known as the Camp Hero Park. | ||
| Only thing is, the park is closed to the public. | ||
| They've got a big fence up around it. | ||
| They've got security on the base. | ||
| They've got an electric gate. | ||
| And there's two power lines going into the park, each capable of multi-megawatts. | ||
| Now, what's a state park doing multi-megawatts? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Now, we've also noticed that there's all sorts of activity. | ||
| They have what we believe to be a fake program for reclaiming the site and detoxing the site. | ||
| They talk of removing asbestos. | ||
| Asbestos? | ||
| Around the facility, there's the elevated pipes that they use to carry hot water, which have asbestos jackets. | ||
| Even to this day, they haven't taken that off, and that's the easiest thing to get off. | ||
| And probably some of the most dangerous is as the wind blows, that asbestos is powdering and being blown all over the place. | ||
| So if they were really removing asbestos, that would have been one of the first things they would have gotten to. | ||
| Well, what kind of buildings are there? | ||
| They're demolishing a lot of the old barrel base building. | ||
| We believe the active area is underground. | ||
| We've had reports, and I know I've been in the underground, but we've had reports that there's now an eight-level underground, which is huge. | ||
| It goes out for miles. | ||
| Well, some of this could be exaggeration. | ||
| Is there anything? | ||
| We know that there's a particle accelerator out at Montauk as well. | ||
| Is there anything else at Montauk that would justify that kind of power to it on the ground, above ground? | ||
| Is there another rule? | ||
| it's a bunch of derelict buildings one building is being used as essentially Now, what the hell is he going to use with that kind of power? | ||
| And secondly, there's a State of New York Parks Commission maintenance garage, motor pool maintenance garage. | ||
| They have this one garage with these three huge transformers. | ||
| I've heard anywhere from one and a half megawatts to 10 megawatts going in. | ||
| Now, even if they put in a megawatt of power, there'd be enough heat created to burn that building down. | ||
| So, you know, what are they doing with this power going in that building? | ||
| they say going on the ground well wouldn't it be all well Wouldn't it be possible, Preston, to literally follow the power lines and find out if and where they go underground? | ||
| Well, the one power line goes underground at the place where the maintenance garage is. | ||
| The second power line goes right to the white building where the cop lives. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| And we believe it goes underground from those buildings. | ||
| Now, what I was also going to mention is there are some cement buildings on top of what we call Radar Hill, where the radar tower is, the computer center is, which is physically part of the underground. | ||
| And if you put your ears up against the cement walls, you'll hear like machinery running. | ||
| There are pipes that stick up out of the ground that I dropped a microphone down, and you'll hear the whine of a turbine and the grinding of some sort of fan. | ||
| Now, for a Dural station, what is the machinery that we hear running? | ||
| I'm not the only one that hears this. | ||
| A lot of people have reported this. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| What do you think they are doing there? | ||
| Some sort of something going into the electromagnetics of the planet itself. | ||
| It's been suggested that the planet is tilting, and that's what they're trying, tilting on the axis, and that's what they're trying to prevent. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| What they're doing is up to a lot of speculation and conjecture. | ||
| All I can tell you is if you go out there at the right time, you'll pick up a very slow pulse transmission between 420 and 460 megahertz. | ||
| Again, it's still out there. | ||
| I got recordings of it. | ||
| And also, you'll pick up a very complex data transmission at 173 megahertz, which is in the guard band for Channel 7. | ||
| That's why they can't watch Channel 7. | ||
| If you DF these transmissions, it goes right to the old base. | ||
| Well, isn't that something? | ||
| Now, the 173 megahertz transmission, it was done by any civilian, the FCC, who come and shut them down. | ||
| In New York second. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Do you think that that is some sort of remote control, perhaps? | ||
| It is some sort of a data link. | ||
| What the purpose is, I really don't know, because I have no way of decoding it. | ||
| Because I recorded it, wideband recording, video recordings, and handed it to different people, and they tried all the known codes on it, and it doesn't decode. | ||
| So some sort of government secret code, most likely. | ||
| Is there mind control going on now? | ||
| There are all sorts of transmissions going on right now, which are definitely psychoactive, whether they're on purpose or accidental, I really don't know. | ||
| And they seem to have effect on the subliminal level on our consciousness. | ||
| Tell me, you were saying in effect that what they were doing was amplifying the human mind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Can that be done with any human being, or are there some humans that lend themselves more toward that? | ||
| Okay, theoretically, it can be done with any human being, but you want a person Who is trained that when he concentrates, his whole fiber, his whole being concentrates on the one thing? | ||
| That's a specially trained person. | ||
| Theoretically, any one of us could be trained to do it if we went through the training and we had the capabilities and the qualities, whatever that is. | ||
| Duncan Cameron is a very unique individual, being able to, he can only concentrate on one thing at a time. | ||
| He can't concentrate on multiple tasks. | ||
| He's so trained to go one thing at a time. | ||
| See, the human being has to create a virtual reality in his mind. | ||
| And then the equipment picks out the emanations of that reality to him. | ||
| So, of course, the more complete that reality is, the more complete the transform or the metaphysical thought form would be. | ||
| And so you're saying an individual using this process without equipment could create anything from a material object to a being or an entity or a monster. | ||
| Well, we know that they could create objects. | ||
| When they went to try to create living beings, they had trouble creating living beings because now you need a much higher degree of information and fidelity. | ||
| I'm sure you do. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Any living creature. | ||
| Much more complex and much more detailed. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like taking a TV set and trying to put a thousand-line picture on it. | ||
| You just can't do it. | ||
| How far have they come in the fidelity area? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Since 83, I have no knowledge. | ||
| what part did montauk play uh... | ||
| or what part do you know that it played in the philadelphia experiment as i recall al bielick said Exactly. | ||
| We're finding that there's quite a few sailors that came from the Eldridge to Montauk and did different things. | ||
| And the Montauk project was the other end of the time loop between 43 and 83. | ||
| They used this totally fixed time loop between two points, actually 3.63 as well. | ||
| They used this time loop as like a master loop to anchor open-ended loops. | ||
| That means there's equipment only at one end. | ||
| Wherever somebody like Duncan Cameron could picture the time vortex going, if the fidelity was good enough, it would go there. | ||
| But you'd have to have an anchor to hold it all stable, and that's what they used 43, 63, 83 fork. | ||
| what made montauk the other end of it in other words what focused on montauk is the other end or how did that What this is, you take a photograph of a person. | ||
| That photograph carries their signature or whatever you want to call it. | ||
| That's a witness. | ||
| We made sure that we had a witness from Montauk to the Eldridge by having some of the equipment on the Eldridge, physically part of the Montauk system. | ||
| We had people present that were on both projects, and then they used the Earth biorhythm cycle as the final witness effect and guarantee the lock-up of the two projects through space and time. | ||
| And there's rumors that this may have even ripped open hyperspace enough to allow all the UFOs that have come in recently since 47. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It has made a major rip in space-time between 43 and 83, no question. | ||
| Is this going to come in through that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Another person who sent me a fax wanted to know if any of this technology is alien technology. | ||
| Some of it is rumored to be alien technology. | ||
| I do believe that this is testing alien concepts, either gathered from down UFOs or from the legendary alien treaty with the U.S. government, you know, trading people for technology. | ||
| Do you believe that that is true? | ||
| I've seen nothing to say yes, and I've seen nothing that says no. | ||
| That's careful. | ||
| That's a careful. | ||
| Well, first of all, I'm not going to tell you something I know is false. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| I'm glad. | ||
| All I'll tell you is I don't know. | ||
| And I'll tell you what I do know about it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Again, let's go into the basic technology that's allowing all of this. | ||
| And in some detail, in other words, if I wanted to set up something that would bend space and time, or that I could begin to focus waves to affect biological entities, what kind of technology would I use? | ||
| How would I put it together? | ||
| Well, if you did it the way the government did it, their benchmark was, let's kill flies with a sledgehammer. | ||
| Lots and lots of power. | ||
| They had a final amplifier in their transmitter, which had an input of at least 200 million watts of power, wasted half of that in heat, heated the Atlantic Ocean with it, and put out 100 million watts. | ||
| That means to do anything, you would have to build maybe one hundredth of that. | ||
| Means you'd have to build a megawatt transmitter and then pulse the thing. | ||
| Frequency, hop it, and pulse it. | ||
| Then you would have to somehow correlate this to represent a fractal-based frequency time transform. | ||
| All right, that gets a little complicated. | ||
| Let me give you an analogy, and you tell me if this is a good analogy. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| It certainly is possible because it was done to send a signal across the Atlantic Ocean with a spark gap transmitter. | ||
| True. | ||
| It could be done, but it takes massive, massive amounts of power that is very wasteful. | ||
| Which they didn't have in those days. | ||
| They were transmitting some other form of electromagnetics. | ||
| You consider the coherer they used at the other end needs millivolts of signals. | ||
| And if you transmit a kilowatt across the Atlantic Ocean, you get maybe 10 microvolts top. | ||
| How the hell did that coherer trigger? | ||
| You tell me. | ||
| Well, my point was, you could send a spark signal across the Atlantic. | ||
| It was done, but it required a very great deal of power. | ||
| You can do it today. | ||
| There wasn't that much power. | ||
| Well, compared to the power that you, for example, with a modern single sideband narrowband transmitter, you could do it today with far less power. | ||
| You can do about 10 watts. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly right. | ||
| So that seems like a good analogy to the beginning of the Philadelphia experiment versus the refinements that occurred at Montauk. | ||
| But still at Montauk, they used tremendous amounts of power because they were trying to bend the space-time continuum, and it takes tremendous amounts of power. | ||
| Any quantum physicist will tell you that. | ||
| It takes something like 5,000 and 10,000 ampere per meter magnetic field. | ||
| Yes, but the original Philadelphia experiment was, as you said, kind of a blunderbuss compared to what could be done today. | ||
| Well, the Montauk project was much more finesse. | ||
| That's why Montauk Project controlled the vortex. | ||
| They didn't control it from Philadelphia. | ||
| They controlled it from Montauk. | ||
| Philadelphia was just another power source. | ||
| That's all it was. | ||
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It was an open-ended power source. | |
| They had no finesse. | ||
| All they did was just generate tons of power, put it out in the ether, and by gosh, by God, something happened. | ||
| What did you actually do? | ||
| What did you work on? | ||
| I started out as a technician, graduated up to an engineer. | ||
| My responsibility was to modify the old stage radar transmitter. | ||
| I was the fellow that set up the pulse modulation schemes, the synchro dynamation schemes, and set up the frequency hopping. | ||
| I had to work on the coho to synthesize local oscillators that were used in the transmitter. | ||
| What did they tell you you were working on? | ||
| They told me that we were working on equipment to interface human beings to technology, the mind of man to technology, which was very interesting to me. | ||
| I should say. | ||
| I should say. | ||
| But you were actually working on the pulsing of the signal that would carry a transmission, not so much that is to affect other human beings, right? | ||
| I didn't realize this until later on in the project. | ||
| This is what they were really doing. | ||
| At that time, I was so involved in it, I couldn't see myself getting out of it easily. | ||
| Well, it seems to me that's a very, very dangerous technology. | ||
| Very dangerous. | ||
| It's very dangerous. | ||
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Yes, I agree with you. | |
| We all decided towards the end of the project to crash it. | ||
| Yeah, oh, you did. | ||
| That's what I was going to ask you. | ||
| That's why the monster was created to crash the project. | ||
| Because Duncan, especially, was saying things that the rest of us didn't dare say. | ||
| Duncan found God exercise. | ||
| We don't know what happened, but all of a sudden he calls a meeting and says, hey, this thing is going totally into the lower world and the lower domains. | ||
| It's getting very evil. | ||
| Of course, we all knew this, but we didn't have the guts to say it. | ||
| And we all agreed, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Well, we've got to bring this thing down. | ||
| How do we do it? | ||
| Well, let's create this big, hungry, nasty monster that will scare them into crashing it. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| And it worked? | ||
| Yes, it worked very well. | ||
| All it did was drive them underground, just shove them down for a while. | ||
| They're still doing it. | ||
| Exactly what they're doing, we don't know. | ||
| We're still researching that. | ||
| All right, Preston, hang in there. | ||
| You've got a bit of a rest here at the top of the hour, and we'll be back to you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Preston Nichols is my guest. | ||
| The Montauk Project, kind of a follow-up on the Philadelphia experiment, is the topic. | ||
| And I promise we will get the telephone lines open into the next hour. | ||
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I promise we will. | |
| From the Kingdom of Nai. | ||
| This is a special replay of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. | ||
| Tonight's program is a rebroadcast from May 27, 1994. | ||
| Please do not fall. | ||
| Raging away on a Saturday morning. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| Those of you just joining us at this hour, my guest is Preston Nichols. | ||
| He worked on the Montpart Project. | ||
| Preston now is semi-retired and lives in East Iceland, New York. | ||
| And he's been telling us about the Montpart Project. | ||
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Incredible things. | |
| Travel through time. | ||
| Space possibly, I guess both. | ||
| Mind control. | ||
| Mind amplifiers. | ||
| Thought Amplifiers. | ||
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That's what we're talking about. | |
| Now, back to Preston Nichols and the Montauk Project. | ||
| Preston, are you there? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I've got a number of questions for you, Preston, faxed in, and then we'll get to the telephones. | ||
| Art, I would like to ask Preston whether there is a possibility that the occurrences at Amityville, New York could somehow be related to the Montauk Project. | ||
| I got this thought while reading his book, Montauk Revisited. | ||
| That's your book? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You mean the Amityville Horror Film? | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was involved as a parapsychology researcher years ago, and we really couldn't tie much of anything to that house. | ||
| That's the only statement I'll make on it. | ||
| You were there? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| You were at Amityville. | ||
| I was about 10 miles west of here. | ||
| Very briefly, let's take a sidetrack because that's fascinating. | ||
| What did you find at Amityville? | ||
| You know, I've seen the movie. | ||
| I don't know how much relationship that has to what really happened. | ||
| Well, we checked the heat. | ||
| We checked the heat differentials. | ||
| We checked the static charges. | ||
| We checked them for magnetic anomalies. | ||
| We didn't find anything. | ||
| We didn't find anything to back up the bugs. | ||
| We didn't find anything to back up the bleeding walls. | ||
| I myself feel that this is something that maybe there was a genuine haunting, but the fellow that wrote the book just blew this thing way out of proportion. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He couldn't find anything to back it up. | ||
| I was involved in a team of parapsychologists that was called in to investigate it. | ||
| There was even rumors of an Indian burial ground under the house. | ||
| Who knows what really happened there? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Dear Art, I wonder if you would ask your guest if the super collider was in any way planned to be used with the project he was working on, Montauk. | ||
| No, because the Super Collider came afterwards, although we have been getting a lot of information lately that they are using particle accelerators as particle beam weapons because a particle beam power source or a particle beam amplifier. | ||
| This is where they use particles going to the velocity of light doing the mass energy conversion based upon E equals mc squared. | ||
| I will tell the public that the physicists have reached the speed of light with particles and that they today are using this as a power source or a power amplifier. | ||
| Imagine a power amplifier that can tap the power of a nuclear bomb literally. | ||
| This may be where they got all the power to bend space and time at Montauk. | ||
| We know there was a particle accelerator and I believe it's active today because once myself and other people walking over it got a dose of some sort of radiation. | ||
| Well, I know this. | ||
| I've been watching radiation thickness for a while. | ||
| Preston, I know this, that they have considered using nuclear explosions or controlled explosions in satellites to focus beams. | ||
| To focus a laser. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've read the same thing. | ||
| That's supposedly a Star Wars weapon. | ||
| But we really don't need that. | ||
| All we've got to do is accelerate particles to C. They do it by starting out with a large accelerator, dumping into a smaller one, into a smaller one yet. | ||
| And each time you go to a smaller and smaller one, the velocity just goes up. | ||
| Remember, as you bring the particles closer in in a circle, what happens, the momentum makes them go faster and faster. | ||
| And at some point, you're going to reach C, the speed of light. | ||
| And magical things happen when you reach the speed of light. | ||
| Well, what about surpassing it? | ||
| Is it possible? | ||
| not in this dimension so that in effect You cannot surpass the speed of light within our reference frame. | ||
| If you're going to surpass the speed of light, you've got to do it in another reference frame relative to ours. | ||
| And I'm saying, I believe it's possible to go past it, but not in our reality as we know it. | ||
| You've got to warp into another reality to go past the speed of light relative to us here. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Listen, this comes from St. Louis, Missouri. | ||
| Please ask Mr. Nichols if there's a way that anybody can render himself or herself impervious to mind control by any outside force or protection. | ||
| Well, what you have to do is you have to consider the level of consciousness and awareness this thing is operating at, and you just got to raise your level of awareness above that. | ||
| The mind, if it's aware of what's going on, the mind can automatically protect against this. | ||
| That's part of why I'm putting this information out, to let people know what's going on so they got an idea of how to protect themselves on a subconscious level. | ||
| You're saying then, in effect, you can protect yourself with your own will. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right, I've got it. | ||
| This is a message of the new age, essentially. | ||
| So the new age is mixed in with all of this. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| Very definitely. | ||
| This is the application of new age metaphysical principles to technology. | ||
| This is what we're talking about. | ||
| All right, let us go to the telephones and see what's out there. | ||
| For Preston Nichols on the wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hi, where are you calling from, please? | ||
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I'm calling from Bourbon, Missouri. | |
| All right. | ||
| You're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Anyway, I wonder if you ever heard of a guy named Edward Teller. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Have you ever read his book on the astrometrical universe? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And in there, you realize that he talks about the unlimited power that is available through the antimatter. | ||
| And this is a man who's very credible because he invented the, was largely responsible for the invention of the atomic bomb. | ||
| And he's also a rocket scientist. | ||
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And he's also a rocket scientist. | |
| That's absolutely correct. | ||
| But we also know, you and I know anyway, and I don't know how many other people know, but he was also instrumental in some of the accelerators where they actually created antimatter. | ||
| Very true. | ||
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And when you have antimatter meet real matter, you have 100% conversion of energy. | |
| Right, that's not good. | ||
| Well, that can be quite useful. | ||
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But it can be quite useful. | |
| And the fact of the matter is that you have an unlimited power source. | ||
| Very true. | ||
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When you consider the basic equation of E is equal to MC squared. | |
| Yeah, we just heard that a minute ago. | ||
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That's right. | |
| You have a tremendous amount of power that is available in the speed. | ||
| Consider the power of one neutron, sir, accelerated the speed of light. | ||
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That's right. | |
| And when you have that much power. | ||
| Something like a megawatt. | ||
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That's right. | |
| And when you have that much power, you could consider what one ounce of real matter versus one ounce of antimatter could do. | ||
| And somewhere in our future, this is our new power source. | ||
| I think in certain sectors, this is our power source today. | ||
| You think it's already being utilized? | ||
| oh yeah i think that would be a lot kind you know if they talk about the danger of a nuclear plant uh... | ||
| going south and a meltdown but uh... | ||
| if you do you want Well, that was my question, Prevent. | ||
| If one of these were to go south, it seems to me the planet would sort of blink out. | ||
| It might. | ||
| We've often been, you know, friends of mine and myself, the nuclear physicists, have often been joking, well, someday we'll say, gee, there used to be nice land out at Montauk. | ||
| The particle accelerator went south, and now there's a black hole there. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Well, the thing is, most of these accelerators, from what I understand, I'm not a nuclear physicist, but I know three of them. | ||
| They tell me that they use neutrons. | ||
| I think we're all well aware of neutron radiation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And a nuclear medicine doctor that checked me out said that most likely I got hit with neutron radiation. | ||
| Probably what happened as I was walking over the accelerator. | ||
| Yes, they're allowed you to walk over the damn thing. | ||
| They must have had a burp in the past and it made a burst of neutron radiation, and we all got it. | ||
| I see. | ||
| We all had itchy sores and sickness and felt disoriented for a couple of days afterwards. | ||
| They're these nice guys that they don't shut off the area where the accelerator is. | ||
| They let you walk around that. | ||
| All right, on the wildcard line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Good evening. | ||
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Oh, good evening, Art. | |
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I had a question for your guest. | ||
| Before the last commercial break, he spoke briefly about him and some of his colleagues turning against this project because things were getting, he said, evil. | ||
| If you could have him expand on that and tell us a little bit more about exactly what he meant by the evil nature the project was taking. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Where are you, please? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Where are you? | ||
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I'm in St. Louis, Missouri. | |
| St. Louis. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Expand on the evil part of your statement, if you would. | ||
| Well, I feel the whole mind control aspect of the thing is evil. | ||
| Man is meant to have a free mind, not to be dominated. | ||
| Also, they were working in maneuvering and manipulating time so certain people would have power that probably shouldn't have power, or the power group would get more power and they get more oppressive and the whole nine yards of this. | ||
| Well, I guess. | ||
| You remember the old expression, once they've seen something or another parie, how are you going to keep them down on the farm? | ||
| Once they've experimented with mind control or imagine or know they can control minds, how are you ever going to stop them? | ||
| Only way I can see you stopping them is get the population aware enough that it just doesn't work. | ||
| Is there any way that a person could know that their mind is being controlled? | ||
| I guess if you start doing things out of character, that would be a good sign of it. | ||
| Also, if you had the monitoring equipment, if you knew what to listen for, if you're educated in a radio like you and I are, you could probably pick this up on a radio and notice the very sharp, edgy tones that would appear on your radio. | ||
| I can tune in and listen and hear the stuff. | ||
| All right, back to the telephone lines, and let's see what questions everybody has. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Hello, Art. | ||
| This is Leonard from Albany, Oregon. | ||
| And I've been listening to you and your guest, and the one thing you said just before the news were talking about all the bad things going on around the country, you know, the shootings and the mindless crimes and that kind of thing. | ||
| But what I'm wondered about is actually changing the mind of people so that they might vote, you know, in a certain way, you know, like and I wondered about that sometimes when the polls, you know, say, so-and-so is way ahead and here comes a competitor charging out of the woodwork, you know, with no apparent change in his campaign tactics. | ||
| And all of a sudden, and I know there's, you know, the surveys, even the most scientific ones, have a margin of error, but sometimes it just almost looks like it's unexplainable. | ||
| And I'm wondering if they're already doing something like that, if that might be an explanation for it. | ||
| All right. | ||
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All right. | |
| It is a good question. | ||
| Preston, do you think, I mean, something that specific, trying to get somebody to vote or act in a certain way, it certainly is possible from what you've been telling us, right? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And what he's saying might be correct. | ||
| I really don't know. | ||
| I don't know where they're using this stuff tonight. | ||
| Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Yes, my name is Charlie. | ||
| Pat, two quick questions for you, sir. | ||
| The first thing is on time travel. | ||
| Einstein was asked the question on time travel once, and he brought up a very interesting situation, saying that if you were to travel back in time and prevent yourself from being born, you would create an absurdity because you already exist. | ||
| And since absurdities don't exist in science, doesn't that mean that time travel as far as going backwards is impossible? | ||
| It's not impossible. | ||
| It's just you become part of history. | ||
| And you really can't affect history unless you become part of it. | ||
| Wouldn't you have to, wouldn't it mean that there would have to be almost two different is it possible that there might be two realities, parallel realities? | ||
| This is what's being suggested by quantum physicists today and a lot of other people. | ||
| Well, parallel realities is what comes out of the whole metaphysical thing as well. | ||
| So let me understand this. | ||
| There could be a reality which is just as valid, which is just as valid that I, Charlie, am actually, say, a host of a radio show and say, Art Bell is actually a liberal calling in. | ||
| That could actually be a reality in another parallel exist. | ||
| There's some people that say what you think up in your mind is a parallel reality. | ||
| That's very interesting. | ||
| One last point. | ||
| I've been in a debate with a fellow, I think he was a Christian or something. | ||
| Anyway, he was under the impression that the Earth was very young, about 6,000 years old. | ||
| Clear this up. | ||
| You're a scientist. | ||
| I don't know where he got that from. | ||
| Clear this up. | ||
| Explain to the audience, because there's a lot of people out there who don't have any scientific knowledge. | ||
| Could you quickly, I know this is a little bit off the subject, but could you quickly explain to people out in the audience who are listening why it's unlikely that the Earth is that young? | ||
| All right, because there are many rocks that have been dated to be millions, billions of years old. | ||
| Well, that's a good answer, short, sweet answer, but you would say it is impossible the Earth would be that young. | ||
| That's what I would say, because, you know, the whole dating system in the sedimentary system that we have goes way beyond that age, way beyond. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On the first time caller line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Hello? | ||
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Yes, I have two questions. | |
| One of them I was interested in, Al Belick talked about age regression, and I was interested if Preston Nichols knew exactly how to pull this off. | ||
| All right, where are you, sir? | ||
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St. Louis, Missouri. | |
| And I have one more question. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I have a book called Mind Machines You Can Build by G. Harry Stein. | ||
| And in the book, it's a little diagram on an instrument he called a wishing machine. | ||
| A what machine? | ||
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A wishing machine. | |
| Wishing? | ||
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Yes, it uses the device. | |
| He says that it was, I guess, originally built back in the 40s. | ||
| And he says it uses an audio amplifier, a couple of copper plates, an antenna, a six-volt battery, and a couple other little simple things like that. | ||
| And he said that you would use a pitcher, and you would put it in between the two copper plates. | ||
| This sounds like a radionics device. | ||
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Maybe so. | |
| Like I said, the name of the book is Mine Machines You Can Build. | ||
| But with this device, they said at long distances, they could, like a 20-acre cornfield that was infested with bugs or whatever, that they would have a 90% kill rate just by consciously focusing on the pitching. | ||
| Yeah, this is typical radionics. | ||
| All right, thank you. | ||
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All right, to answer the man's first question. | |
| Age regression. | ||
| Age, not age, age, AGE, I'm not going to say this is impossible because we have theories today which are stating that there's an energy lattice, a energetic replication of the DNA of the human being, | ||
| which is magnetically coupled into the genome, into the DNA, and that there are many levels of DNA, and aging is essentially the loss of control of the differentiation of the DNA from the quantum electromagnetic pattern that we're calling a lattice. | ||
| If you can somehow restore this control, theoretically you could grow back to whatever portion of the DNA you would activate. | ||
| Now, Al speaks of being age regressed back to a one-year-old baby. | ||
| I don't know whether or not the DNA is still there for that. | ||
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If it is, I don't think it's impossible to do. | |
| Now, also, I run into one other person that the only thing that explains what's happened to him, and he's being truthful, I feel, is some sort of age regression. | ||
| Now, I have not heard reports from other sources on this. | ||
| See, when I hear a report like this, I consider where it's coming from, and I like to get maybe five or six reports saying, yes, age regression has happened. | ||
| I haven't had it. | ||
| I've only had Albielik himself, one other source which I don't consider at all credible, and now the one we've run into very recently. | ||
| So, again, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but also I think it's a quite fantastic story that I wish was true. | ||
| I'd like to have it myself. | ||
| Yeah, you betcha. | ||
| Look, if it is possible to travel in time. | ||
| And I don't know how to do age regression. | ||
| Right, I was going to say, I was going to ask you, Preston, if it's possible to travel in time, and I went back to, say, 1950, my chronological age at the end of the travel would still be what it is at just roughly the moment I left, wouldn't it? | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| This is why I think if you're going to do age regression, you've got to do something through the DNA. | ||
| Through the DNA. | ||
| somehow change the differentiation to go back to the genome that you were replicating when you were like 20 years old, let's say. | ||
| That would be a very delicate genetic manipulation indeed, wouldn't it? | ||
| It may be electromagnetic. | ||
| Electromagnetic. | ||
| Because it's being suggested by a lot of learned geneticists that Dr. Glenn Ryan has shown a lot of research that subtle or quantum electromagnetic waves do affect the way the double helix is wrapped up. | ||
| All right. | ||
| President, hold it right there. | ||
| We'll be back after the bottom of the hour break. | ||
| Preston Nichols is my guest. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| From the Kingdom of Knives, this is a special replay of Coast at Coast AM with our bells. | ||
| Tonight's program is a rebroadcast from May 27, 1994. | ||
| Please do not call. | ||
| Tell me if you ever done anything and a moment later said, why not do that? | ||
| Mind control? | ||
| Or just a bit of. | ||
| Or just a bit of aberrant human behavior because of random firing of synapses? | ||
| Well, who knows? | ||
| Might have been, might be, might be possible. | ||
| Anyway, we're talking to Preston Nichols. | ||
| He's written about the Montauk Project, talking about the Montauk Project this morning, and much more. | ||
| If you have a question, pick up the telephone. | ||
| Here's a facts from Dennis in Missoula, Montana. | ||
| Art, please, in all seriousness, ask your guest if he knows anything about the nine, the nine rulers of the White Lodge. | ||
| Ooh, sounds strange to me. | ||
| Does to me, too. | ||
| You haven't heard of the nine rulers of the White Lodge? | ||
| No, that's a new one on me. | ||
| I've heard of the Order of Twelve and that sort of thing. | ||
| But not the nine. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, that disposes of that quickly. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Yes, hi, Arch. | |
| Hello, sir. | ||
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Yes, I'm from Long Island originally, and I just recently moved about a year and a half ago. | |
| Where are you now? | ||
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I'm in Youngstown, Ohio. | |
| Okay. | ||
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And now I'm 28 years old, and I'm intelligent. | |
| I know for a fact that I've got a 138 IQ borderline genius. | ||
| Yet at the same time, I've always wondered why I was never in tune with what was going on politically. | ||
| I never could quite understand the political process. | ||
| You're not the only one. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, I'm from Suffolk County. | ||
| I'm from Huntington. | ||
| And I moved in, it was July of 81, of 91, rather. | ||
| July of'91, I moved from Suffolk County, I moved into Elmont in Nassau. | ||
| That was where I had... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was where I first started listening to political commentary on talk radio. | ||
| After that, I moved to New Orleans and I really started to get involved. | ||
| I started to know what was going on. | ||
| Well, what's the question? | ||
| Yeah, what is the question? | ||
| How does this relate to my guess, sir? | ||
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Well, what I'm saying is, well, you're talking about mind control. | |
| As fantastic as it sounds, it's starting to make a little bit of sense to me. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is all a lot of people say. | ||
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I mean, I was completely blind. | |
| Completely blind. | ||
| There's a lot going on. | ||
| That will fit this. | ||
| Art was talking about the people just all of a sudden shooting. | ||
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It confounds me how I was so blind until I moved out of Suffolk County, until I moved off of Long Island, really. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| It just sounds so fantastic in art. | ||
| I can tell by your voice, by the entire conversation you've been having. | ||
| It just sounds so fantastic. | ||
| But it makes sense. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, that's true in real science, sir. | ||
| Yeah, I have learned long ago not to stick up my nose at what appears to be fantastic because I've been surprised too many times. | ||
| And I'm sure of this, Preston, that we as human beings, our government, whoever, the powers that be, would have great interest in mind control. | ||
| And if they're not working on it, I think that would be more fantastic than believing that they are working on it. | ||
| I mean, it's that simple. | ||
| Well, I'd like to say at this point that if someone comes and asks me how much the legend is true, I would tell them the Philadelphia experiment is true, the mind control aspiration, the mind control part of the project is probably 90 odd percent correct. | ||
| I'm just not sure exactly how well the time tunnel worked. | ||
| That would be my asset, you know, my assessment of how successful they were. | ||
| So I thoroughly believe the mind control worked, and it's thoroughly possible. | ||
| The only thing is they could not at that time work on mass population using the particle beam system that interacts with the brain directly. | ||
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You don't need a signature anymore. | |
| Using the particle beam system. | ||
| So you're saying that mass mind control is not necessarily possible. | ||
| Today it is. | ||
| Today it is. | ||
| Today it is because you see before you used to go in with a signature to the non-physical mind. | ||
| Today they're using a particle beam to modulate the particle interchange between the synaptic interchanges in the brain, to either read patterns or to modulate patterns on the brain. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| So you're saying they could be sending out signals that are actually controlling the masses. | ||
| Synapsis. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Wonderful. | ||
| You have to consider what is the synaptic interchange? | ||
| It's essentially ionic, and what is ionic? | ||
| Yes, no, it's true. | ||
| No, it's absolutely true. | ||
| If you can create interference from one particle to another particle, you can modulate. | ||
| All right, I've got a caller. | ||
| On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Oh, hello, Art. | ||
| This is Lance at Seattle KBI. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That man control device that he's talking about is manufactured here. | ||
| It's in the suitcase. | ||
| It's like a small suitcase, and it says on the side of it for animal control use only. | ||
| And when it's used for people control, you can call the FCC and file a complaint, and they know all about it. | ||
| It's nothing new. | ||
| Well, it sure is new to me. | ||
| What is it? | ||
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It's been around since about 80. | |
| What is it? | ||
| What is it, sir? | ||
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Well, it just focuses on a specific part of the brain, and then your mind starts to look in that area, and you can see things in your own mind and hear things. | |
| It sounds like you're in a room full of people, and there's nobody around. | ||
| Or you can see eyes blinking in front of you and all kinds of things. | ||
| It's all in your own mind. | ||
| It's not outside your mind like a hologram. | ||
| But it does exist, and it doesn't take anything except call the FCC to find out. | ||
| Well, I've never seen one. | ||
| I've never heard of one. | ||
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Well, just thought I'd add it to your programs. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| I've heard rumors of it. | ||
| I've heard rumors that this has been developed for years. | ||
| See, what they're working there, that's mood control more than anything, I think. | ||
| I know, Preston, that there's been a lot of research done on the effect of low frequencies on human beings. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Is that what he's talking about? | ||
| Well, what he's saying is it can transmit the effect of a whole room full of people, the eyes ahead of you. | ||
| All this might be doing is fragmenting your own memories, working directly physically into the brain. | ||
| And this could be done with some sort of ELF-type device. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What about the transmissions made by the middle part of our country? | ||
| Very powerful ELF transmissions to our submarines. | ||
| Yeah, I forget what that's called. | ||
| I know what you're talking of. | ||
| I was just wondering if you think that kind of level of low-frequency transmission could affect biological entities that are close to the source. | ||
| That appears to be mostly sinusoidal teletype-type modulation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not direct on and off. | ||
| So without the pulsing, you don't think there'd be a lot of effect? | ||
| No. | ||
| Remember, the mind itself, the brain will automatically even out a change in level. | ||
| You've got to change the level so fast that the DC restoration in the neurological system doesn't work. | ||
| Can't deal with it. | ||
| All right, on the wild card line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Okay, you talk about time travel, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Time travel happens in your psychic ability, your dreams. | |
| Yeah, some people believe that. | ||
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Okay, now how can they apply this to technology and science and stuff? | |
| Essentially, by taking what a person could dream or generating a virtual reality and transmitting it through a very powerful transmitter and bringing it into our physical reality. | ||
| All right, sir, thank you. | ||
| That's exactly how it was done. | ||
| In other words, the human brain does generate a signal. | ||
| It is a very weak signal normally, isn't it? | ||
| Well, it's actually a virtual state signal. | ||
| It's what? | ||
| Reduce that so I can understand it. | ||
| Well, you know, when you do a complex calculation, the figure phase angle, you get sine, cosine function, real-world, imaginary function. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The human emanations are based upon the imaginary functions, not the real. | ||
| Because you're 100% right. | ||
| The real-world emanations from a human being are very weak, but the imaginary world emanations are very strong. | ||
| This is why you need typically vacuum potential to detect this stuff. | ||
| On the wildcard line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hello, Mr. Nichols. | |
| How are you doing? | ||
| Okay. | ||
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All right, I tell you what, I wouldn't have bought this for a second if there wasn't something really weird going on in the world today. | |
| But my question is, and Linda Thompson talked about the holograph, and you were talking about cracking into the underworld. | ||
| Could this be described as hell? | ||
| Hell is whatever you make it. | ||
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Well, I'm talking about the biblical aspects of what you're describing in the underworld. | |
| And have you ever seen any alien beings? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Treston, have you? | ||
| Yes, I've seen some alien beings. | ||
| You have? | ||
| Who or what they are beats the hell out of me. | ||
| What have you seen? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And how and where? | ||
| At Montauk, they had a little creature that looked all the world like the little greys as described by Whitley Striever. | ||
| Oh? | ||
| Ab four foot tall, and they sunk to high heaven. | ||
| Stunk. | ||
| And then we had a thing that resembled a cross between a lizard and a human being. | ||
| What it was, I really don't know. | ||
| I have heard that description before, too. | ||
| Kind of reptilian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The closest thing, there was an old Star Trek episode where Captain Jerk bought something called a gorn that sort of looked like what I saw at Montfauk. | ||
| Now, I will say I don't drink. | ||
| I don't use drugs. | ||
| I don't do any of that stuff. | ||
| I also don't hallucinate. | ||
| Have you ever been under the care of a psychiatrist? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No? | ||
| All right. | ||
| I just had to add that one in there. | ||
| That's a valid question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, some of this, you've got to admit, Preston, it's wild stuff. | ||
| I know it's wild stuff. | ||
| This is why I doubted my own sanity at times myself. | ||
| I came to the conclusion that's not me. | ||
| That I was seeing this scrud reel. | ||
| Also, a lot of the other people of Montfauck saw the same thing and described exactly the same. | ||
| How many other people have corroborated what you're saying, or even parts, substantial parts of what you're saying? | ||
| Oh, about 30 odd people. | ||
| 30 odd people. | ||
| All right. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Yeah, hi, Art. | |
| This is Sean Cohen from Last Best Place. | ||
| Hi, Sean. | ||
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Hi, Mr. Nichols. | |
| With the very low frequency, could we manipulate the weather to use the weather as a pattern for weapons against other countries such as lightning? | ||
| This is called Weather War. | ||
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Weather War, yeah. | |
| I read about it in a book called The Third Millennium. | ||
| Are you familiar with that? | ||
| This is correct. | ||
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Okay, that's all I wanted to know. | |
| All right, thank you. | ||
| So you think the weather is being manipulated, Preston? | ||
| By somebody. | ||
| Do you think we're doing it, or do you think the Russians are doing it? | ||
| Or are we both doing it and getting it all screwed up? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Somebody is manipulating the weather because I have picked up the signals. | ||
| All you've got to do is tune your HF receiver and you'll discover increases in what appears to be the background noise over as little as 300 kilohertz bandwidth. | ||
| Band spread. | ||
| And that's some sort of spread spectrum? | ||
| Yeah, that's some sort of spread spectrum. | ||
| And if you take that signal and analyze it either amplitude versus time or frequency versus time, you'll get patterns that will appear in the noise. | ||
| I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And that's not natural. | ||
| Not natural. | ||
| No, it is not natural. | ||
| You're right about that. | ||
| And it goes up about 30 to 40 dB. | ||
| I've actually heard it myself. | ||
| Yeah, I hear it all the time. | ||
| And I've been looking at what the hell have we got here? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This may be involved in the weather control. | ||
| Because this seems to precede weather fronts. | ||
| Also, this same kind of signal perceives hurricanes that are brought right up to a particular area. | ||
| You notice how the hurricanes are now taking nice straight paths? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's not normal for a hurricane. | ||
| A hurricane is a centrifugal thing, and as the wall builds and depletes, it should spin and move and gyrate all over the map. | ||
| No, they're going very straight at this point. | ||
| Wildguard line, you're on the air with Preston Nichols. | ||
| Hello. | ||
| Yeah, Art. | ||
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I'm curious. | |
| These kind of projects have to involve great deals of money. | ||
| No doubt about it. | ||
| No doubt, yes. | ||
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And they say to solve all mysteries, you follow the money trail. | |
| True. | ||
| Isn't anybody checking what's going on? | ||
| I mean, if Area 51 exists, there's got to be billions going into that. | ||
| And if he's talking, there's got to be billions going into this. | ||
| Is anybody keeping track of the money? | ||
| Well, you know, that's what I find out. | ||
| Are the senators aware of this? | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| Hold on a sec. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| All I can tell you is this. | ||
| I don't know about what Preston's saying, but I can tell you darn well, Area 51 does exist. | ||
| Billions do go into it. | ||
| And that's a fact. | ||
| And so, Preston, what about the money angle in Montauk? | ||
| Well, we had an interest from the office of Senator Barry Goldwater, quite a few in the middle 80s. | ||
| And I was told that they could not trace any congressional appropriations for the Montauk project. | ||
| Now, I was handed a list of companies here on Long Island that are all either reorganized or out of business today. | ||
| The interesting thing to note is right after this happened, about six months to a year later, they started what they call core audits. | ||
| They said they were looking for the $250 toilet seat. | ||
| Why would they go ask the worker on the floor, what are you working on? | ||
| The only reason they'd ask the worker on the floor, what are you working on, is they're looking for hidden projects. | ||
| Montauk was a hidden project. | ||
| There's rumors that the Montauk project was financed by gold smuggled from the Nazis. | ||
| We really don't know. | ||
| This is something that Al Dielick has suggested. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Preston, hold on a moment. | ||
| We'll be right back to you. | ||
| My guest is Preston Nichols. | ||
| he's talking about the montauk project you Thank you. | ||
| All right, back now to Preston Nichols. | ||
| Preston, you know, there are a lot of people listening or who would fax me or write to me or you and would say you're crazy as a loon. | ||
| What would you say to them? | ||
| How would you defend that? | ||
| Now, technically, you have a lot of details, and I am impressed by that, but some of it is, quite admittedly, pretty fantastic stuff. | ||
| It's very fantastic stuff. | ||
| The first thing I would mention is people used to say to me, they remembered me from the Montpaup base. | ||
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I didn't remember them until I broke the memory blocks I had. | |
| This stuff is highly possible. | ||
| We have a lot of witnesses. | ||
| I think we have to look at can 1,000 Frenchmen be wrong. | ||
| We have no real-world documentation, evidence proof. | ||
| The only proof we have is that they're doing something strange even to this day. | ||
| And we were talking a 420 to 460 megahertz broadcast. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And we're still finding emanations in the same frequency range to this day. | ||
| I first got excited thinking I was taking up the signal out of time from the 70s and the 80s, like, hey, and I realized, no, this is generated today. | ||
| If they're doing something like this today, fitting the specs, sending out a very strong ELS signal that I picked up on coils as pulses without a carrier, and the carrier, if they're still sending out, that means the equipment I'm describing is there to this day producing signal, and it probably was there in the 70s and the 80s, and they probably were playing back then. | ||
| Well, it also raises an awful lot of questions. | ||
| Yes, well, for example, Brett, not just the shootings, the mindless headshaker shootings that are going on, but society's behavior in general is very strange indeed, and is deteriorating, In my view, in the view of most others who stand back and view it, things are out of control. | ||
| The state of civilization is less. | ||
| People's tempers are short. | ||
| And when it's the worst case, they're picking up guns and shooting each other. | ||
| Well, how would you react if you had a hammer pounding on your head continuously? | ||
| You'd eventually get irritated and do something awful. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've got to think of all this stuff that they're sending out into the ether, purposefully or accidentally, is like someone sitting tapping on your head with a hammer. | ||
| Well, it's true. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's how they get 90 odd percent efficiency. | ||
| You're absolutely right about that. | ||
| You're absolutely right about that. | ||
| I do know radio and electronics. | ||
| Yes, you obviously do. | ||
| And I guess you could easily be right about the pulse aspect of it. | ||
| Well, the neurological system operates on a pseudo-random ordered pulse function. | ||
| They read any book on brain activity. | ||
| That's the first thing they say. | ||
| If you take the neurological signal out of a nerve, put it into an audio amplifier, it sounds ecstatic. | ||
| well it has been a pleasure press and i know you're on the east coast in new york and so it's uh... | ||
| Yeah, there you are. | ||
| All right, Preston, a pleasure. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Okay, and the pleasure's been mine, sir. | ||
| Take care. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| Preston Nichols and the Montauk Project. | ||
| And we're going to do a couple of hours of live open talk radio coming up next. | ||
| There's a lot going on in the world. | ||
| We need a little talk time this morning. | ||
| The Korean situation is, as I knew it would, deteriorating. | ||
| The North Koreans are not allowing the inspectors to look at the fuel rods. | ||
| It has suddenly become a very grave situation, as I'm sorry to say I knew it would. | ||
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| We're going to do a period of overline pop radio. | ||
| I'm just going to throw a few fast things at you with the back of the telephone. | ||
| A massive explosion, as you know, in Ohio Technical. | ||
| People there are missing. | ||
| Thousands evacuated. | ||
| The blast felt about 10 miles away. | ||
| Cause unknown. | ||
| Another shooting, mindless in Albuquerque. | ||
| Three people, I've heard now, dead in Albuquerque. | ||
| Some kind of mindless shooting like the one yesterday in Florida. | ||
| And the beat goes on. | ||
| And the band plays on. | ||
| And is it mind control? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I think that I know this. | ||
| It was not always so. | ||
| Oh, there have always been incidents. | ||
| But this number of them? | ||
| Well, yes, we have a mass media reporting on them now. | ||
| But we still have newspapers. | ||
| We've had newspapers for a long time, and I think it can be pretty well documented. | ||
| We've not had these numbers, these kinds of numbers of mass mindless killings in the past. | ||
| Something's going on. | ||
| Korea. | ||
| This is a really serious problem. | ||
| I can't tell you how serious. | ||
| The Clinton administration has been putting it off. | ||
| They've been grasping at every straw to try to encourage, cajole, even bribe the Koreans, the North Koreans, into not doing what they're obviously doing. | ||
| The latest news, NBC reporting that international inspectors were in fact not allowed to look at the critical fuel rods that have just been removed from a reactor to determine whether the Koreans have or have not been diverting fuel for the making of bombs. | ||
| Obviously, they are. | ||
| Everything's now back up in the air. | ||
| The administration's conciliatory words about Korea meaningless. | ||
| And what they're going to do now, well, the administration is describing it as a very grave situation. | ||
| And something's going to have to happen. | ||
| So the whole Korean thing is right back up in the air again. | ||
| Anybody's guess is as good as anybody else's. | ||
| The administration's point man on Haiti said of the rulers in Haiti yesterday, quote, they've broken their word and cannot be trusted, end quote. | ||
| The U.S. now seems ready to send at least advisors into the Dominican Republic. | ||
| Vice President Gore was talking about it yesterday. | ||
| To try to help seal the border. | ||
| It was a very interesting discussion the Vice President had. | ||
| He said, well, you know, the military of a sovereign nation have got to be the ones sealing the border. | ||
| But he said, substantial help can be provided. | ||
| Now, he means American troops. | ||
| He means UN trucks, helicopters, and communications equipment to be sent down to the Dominican Republic. | ||
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SEAL teams are already on the way. | |
| Critics in Congress say the sanctions are a joke and they want military action soon. | ||
| Chopper. | ||
| First time callers call area 702-727-1222. | ||
| Well, let me rephrase that. | ||
| I don't often, I don't frequently bleep myself, but let me rephrase what I just wanted to tell you. | ||
| The administration is now admitting that there were two, not one, but two helicopters involved in going to the golf course. | ||
| The deeper this gets, the more this administration gets into trouble. | ||
| The White House at first, once again, denied there was a second helicopter involved. | ||
| Now they admit it. | ||
| The excuse seems to be that on these kinds of missions, whatever it was, the helicopters travel in pairs. | ||
| Now, I don't get that. | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
| Why would they travel in pairs? | ||
| Are they like mating birds or something? | ||
| Do they have to travel in pairs? | ||
| Every time the White House opens their mouth on this, they get into more trouble. | ||
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And they look less credible. | |
| Everything they say is then later challenged or turns out to be not true. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And as I told you a little while ago, a man identified as a psychiatrist, get this, a psychiatrist, opened fire, using the network's words, for no apparent reason, in a Florida office building. | ||
| One dead at the scene. | ||
| Another pregnant woman was shot. | ||
| She's now dead, the baby she was carrying dead. | ||
| Third victim in critical condition. | ||
| This is the second time, by the way, it's happened in this building, a place where they take video depositions in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. | ||
| These incidents are clearly being used to promote gun control. | ||
| The latest example of gun control came with the president's turnaround yesterday on the issue, you may recall yesterday on the issue of the MFN, most favored nation trading status for China, and the turnaround. | ||
| The network said to mollify the administration critics on this, in other words, the liberals, the president signed a ban on all Chinese weapons and ammunition. | ||
| That is a big move. | ||
| Narinco and many other companies make a lot of guns, some of them rather inexpensive, like the SKS series, which are purchased in American mosques. | ||
| Many of these weapons have been purchased. | ||
| With a cutoff of Chinese 7.62 ammunition, I think there's a large question about whether the people who own these guns will be able to obtain ammunition for them. | ||
| I think that this is beginning to go a little far for my taste. | ||
| There is absolutely nothing about a Chinese SKS that is in any way, particularly with the soft ammunition, the soft point ammunition that's now being used, that in any way you can name is more dangerous than an American-made weapon and indeed not as powerful as many that you can go buy. | ||
| So why is he doing this? | ||
| Just to take the more inexpensive weapons off the market? | ||
| The latest move in gun control. | ||
| It's a big move and it hasn't had a lot of discussion, I'm telling you. | ||
| Taking all the Chinese weapons, Chinese ammo off the market, that's a gigantic move. | ||
| And this goes into the category of rumors. | ||
| This was sent to me by Larry McCory up in Alaska, I believe. | ||
| He says, I'm writing to report some information that I just heard. | ||
| This can be verified by talking to State Representative Charles Duke of Colorado. | ||
| Apparently, he has heard that Clinton will sign an executive order on Sunday banning ammunition, sale, manufacture, and possession. | ||
| Then on June 6th, he will sign another one ordering the confiscation of guns. | ||
| I find this hard to believe, but wanted to let you know just in case it might be true. | ||
| I heard this third or fourth hand, so it may not be true. | ||
| I hope you can check it out before the radio program tonight. | ||
| Well, I couldn't check it out, but I wanted to relay it. | ||
| It is, again, as far as I know, only a rumor. | ||
| There is a new Catholic catechism said to be the most complete document of its kind since the Bible. | ||
| That's what NBC said. | ||
| And Catholicism has defined the following to be a sin. | ||
| Mercy killing, as no doubt, in the case of Dr. Kvorkian, a sin. | ||
| Artificial insemination, a sin. | ||
| Prenatal diagnosis with a view toward a sex abortion, a sin. | ||
| And surely I agree with the third, but not with the first two. | ||
| Mercy killing a sin? | ||
| Oh, hard to believe a reasonable God, my way of my perspective of reasonableness, uh would uh regard as a mortal sin uh the the taking of life uh to prevent suffering artificial insemination uh a sin i don't know debatable but that that those are three items three new sins not really new just sort | ||
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| redefined scenes here's an article somebody sent me that i thought you want to hear it uh... | ||
| was faxed to me by the nevada gun exchange plug plug for my guess and while i'm on the uh... | ||
| subject of plugs i've got a gun store in las vegas that uh... | ||
| was a sponsor for me on the or is a sponsor for me i should say uh... | ||
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| the local program in las vegas uh... | ||
| entities swift down on blue diamond road so if you're in the local area you might take a ride down there and the reason i say this is because i'm beginning to get upset very upset again about the level of gun control going on and it is my view that purchasing a gun is a damned good way to uh... | ||
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| control and i'll tell you right now i went out yesterday and bought myself a couple ask cases and i'm glad i did idea i will i wrote i'll tell you when i heard about this latest gun ban i didn't swallow it i didn't believe it at first and i got angry red faced angry and so my reaction was as it has been in the past to run bygone because the physical complex cases i couldn't | ||
| resist and it's a good way to protest anyway listen to this clinton has man arrested for unfriendly question | ||
| bill kelly a chicago conservative actors activist attended bill clinton's town hall meeting on seven twenty six of ninety three he asked clinton from the floor during the question and answer session why he insisted upon blaming republicans for gridlock and his proposed tax hikes when he clearly had a democratic majority in both houses of congress well clinton didn't like the unfriendly question and have the secret service agents | ||
| Kelly at his home later that evening and charge Kelly with quote willfully and knowingly entering and remaining in a cordoned off and restricted area of a building where the president of the U.S. was temporarily visiting end quote Kelly who had no previous police record was kept for two days in a holding pen secured with leg shackles and Handcuffs. | ||
| A federal indictment is asking for a six-month prison term. | ||
| Editors note: the moral to this story is that anyone can be arrested, indicted, and declared a criminal for anything in the USA today. | ||
| And the lesson Kelly learned is not to cross Bill Clinton behind his surface charm. | ||
| He can indeed play hardball. | ||
| And I thought that was an incredible record. | ||
| The source is the McAlvany MCAL VANY Intelligence Advisor. | ||
| So all I can do on that one is give you my source. | ||
| I can't vouch for the story. | ||
| That's a damn incredible story, isn't it? | ||
| But it is indeed not beyond belief. | ||
| A record 27.9 million Americans receiving food stamps, at latest count, the Food and Nutrition Service said, citing lingering effects of recession and the nation's slow economic recovery. | ||
| 27.96 million people getting the stamps. | ||
| That's one in nine now. | ||
| One in nine in America. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, that's it. | ||
| I'll get the phone lines open now. | ||
| I've just, well, in just a moment, I will. | ||
| I can't tell you how upset I am about this latest gun ban. | ||
| Again, it's not quite across the line because it's not yet taking anybody uh taking any guns away from anybody. | ||
| It simply is preventing future acquisition. | ||
| but man it's getting close you you Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Radio Free America. | |
| Hello? | ||
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That story about Kelly and Chain? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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You've got to be kidding me. | |
| Well, that's what I thought when I read it, too. | ||
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That should be front page. | |
| Unbelievable. | ||
| Yeah, if it's true. | ||
| Now, I don't know what the McDowell intelligence advisor is. | ||
| But, you know, we need to follow up on this. | ||
| I felt all of you needed to hear it anyway. | ||
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And the gun confiscation, Art? | |
| I mean, this guy's like right out of Orwell, really. | ||
| Well, I'm not sure that's going to happen either. | ||
| I would tend toward doubting it, and I reported it as rumor, but it's a strong one right now. | ||
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Yeah, you know, this guy's going to get us in a war in Korea art. | |
| I know. | ||
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And the Operation Slice, the helicopter photo, the guy should get a Pulitzer for that photograph. | |
| The Marine sitting there. | ||
| Oh, the Marines saluting. | ||
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Yeah, and the guy tying his golf shoes. | |
| I know. | ||
| You know, it has to be one of the largest gaffes any administration's made in a long time, and it is a big deal. | ||
| And all I can say is I don't know how they can keep a straight face in the White House. | ||
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Well, I'm going to let you fill in the last word of this, but this guy crawled out from Little Rock, and now all of us in America are in big. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Have a good morning. | ||
| And we'll all apply our imaginations to that. | ||
| On the wild card line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| It's Bob from Phoenix. | ||
| Hi, Bob. | ||
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You know, I think I'd kind of like to have somebody, if Hillary's going to run for president in the year 2000, I'd like to see somebody like Linda Thompson run against her. | |
| Would you now? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Well, I think that if Linda Thompson makes her move with guns in Washington, there will never be such an opportunity. | ||
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Yeah, I think she's going to size that down to an unarmed march. | |
| I really do. | ||
| I think we need something like that. | ||
| We really need an unarmed march. | ||
| I think the states have about had them with the feds. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, that would be a whole different story. | ||
| But I've seen no sign yet that she's changing or modifying what she's saying. | ||
| Have you? | ||
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No. | |
| The lady's got a lot of guts, and she's serious. | ||
| You know how Russia more or less broke up just because of the socialism, the communism? | ||
| You hear, I don't know about yourself, but I listen to a lot of talk radio shows, and I hear a lot of the Western states are talking about possibly maybe if it continues to go in the route that it's going as far as the federal government getting more and more power over the states, talking about seceding from the Union. | ||
| Do you think it's ever going to get to that, where we seriously? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| I think that these sovereignty movements, these Tenth Amendment movements, and possibly secession movements are beginning to coalesce, and there's going to be a breaking point and a crunch point with the federal government. | ||
| When that will come and what issue it will be over, I cannot tell you, but I tell you it's coming. | ||
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Well, you know, Art, what is it, Sarah Brady, Gun Control Incorporated, do they call themselves? | |
| Yeah, that issue might do it. | ||
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From what I understand, the first step was the Brady bill. | |
| The second is the banning of certain rifles, which is already history. | ||
| The next two steps are registrations and licensing, and after that, it's confiscation. | ||
| If it comes to confiscation, do you think that could actually trigger an insurrection? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You asked my opinion. | ||
| I'm giving it to you. | ||
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I've thought about that. | |
| Yeah, if they're going to start to try to actually take guns away from people, then it's a whole new ballgame, and I think that could begin an insurrection because there would be incidents, there would be shooting, there would be killing, and there would be martyrdom. | ||
| And those are the ingredients from which comes a real civil war. | ||
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Okay, Art. | |
| All right. | ||
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I'll talk to you later. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Okay, this is Philip from KEX country. | |
| Yes. | ||
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What would be wrong with how would that work to just warn the people over there around that plant in Korea and tell them you've got 20 minutes, the bomb is on its way, we're going to erase it? | |
| Yeah, well, I'll tell you something. | ||
| You might take out the nuclear plant. | ||
| You'd create an awful lot of radiation because there's a lot of plutonium sitting in there right now. | ||
| We know that. | ||
| So I'm not sure that that's feasible. | ||
| Number two, the areas where they're developing these nuclear weapons are widely thought to be underground and inaccessible by air power. | ||
| So we got real trouble on this Korean business. | ||
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Well, we just have to sit on the edge of our chair and just wait till they lob five or ten of them at us. | |
| Well, I don't know about us, but I would say if I were in Seoul, I'd be worried. | ||
| Thank you very much for the. | ||
| I'm very worried about this Korean thing. | ||
| I've known all along that they weren't reaching any accommodation. | ||
| I knew they weren't. | ||
| And it was all sort of hopeful PR spin from the White House. | ||
| And this situation in Korea is indeed very solemn. | ||
| And something's going to happen. | ||
| This is Coast to Coast AM. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
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I'm Art Bell. | |
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| I'm Art Bell. | ||
| From the Coast to Coast AM Archives, you're listening to the Fest of Art Bell. | ||
| This program was originally broadcast May 27th, 1994. | ||
| Please do not call. | ||
| Good morning, everybody. | ||
| It's good to be here. | ||
| I wanted to get a couple of hours of talk radio in this morning, two-way talk, and that's what we're now doing. | ||
| Lots to talk about. | ||
| Grab a telephone. | ||
| Feel free to join us. | ||
| There is a large, suspicious full moon out there this evening, and that is usually meaningful in the world of talk radio. | ||
| I cannot tell you at any given moment what it means. | ||
| I can simply tell you something meaningful will happen. | ||
| I know not what. | ||
| Full moons do that. | ||
| They affect us all. | ||
| I have for years been convinced of that doing talk radio. | ||
| Trust me, I know. | ||
| There's a certain edge that people have when the moon is full. | ||
| And I don't really exactly know why or what it is. | ||
| I just know that it is true. | ||
| And if you talk to people in hospital emergency rooms, if you talk to people that serve the public in all kinds of critical areas, you will find they too very much understand it is true. | ||
| So there it is. | ||
| It's full tonight. | ||
| It's particularly beautiful in the desert. | ||
| We shall see now what it will bring. | ||
| You're not tied to any of the topics that I've laid out for you, just a few things to think about. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air, though. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Radio Free America. | |
| Hello there. | ||
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Art, listen, you know, you've been talking about if you Linda was going up to Washington with a peaceful protest, you'd join in. | |
| That's what I've said, yes. | ||
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Well, I think that we should do something like that. | |
| I'm willing to get it off, start it off. | ||
| Before September 19th rolls around and a bunch of people get killed, maybe in July 4th, around there, we need to get something to where we headed up to Washington in a peaceful manner. | ||
| Bring your video cameras so that no one, if anyone starts shooting at us, we got them on video. | ||
| But with no guns, just a peaceful Protest have people contribute only for transportation to Washington and get something like that on the ground. | ||
| So nothing major happens. | ||
| Well, what you've got to do if you want to do that is to begin an organization. | ||
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Right. | |
| Right, well, I'll fax you with my number and stuff, and maybe you'll be willing to bring this to your listeners. | ||
| And let me see if any feedback, good feedback is coming back from any of the listening audience. | ||
| Because if Linda goes up there, it's going to be a disaster, probably winding up in a revolution and us losing it all. | ||
| Tell me something. | ||
| Have you talked to Linda and tried to talk her out of this? | ||
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I have not. | |
| You know, she's a hard lady to get. | ||
| They're serious about this art. | ||
| They're very serious. | ||
| I can tell you something. | ||
| I sympathize with their point of view, but it's almost like the government wants us to do this. | ||
| It's almost like we're playing into their hands. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I've tried to put myself in the position of the government. | ||
| And if they were to move against Linda right now, for example, they would only succeed in martyring her. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Seriously martyring her. | ||
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They're not that dumb. | |
| If, on the other hand, they wait until something happens, then they've got a lot of martyrs and maybe a real revolution on their hands. | ||
| So I'm not sure what I would do if I were the government. | ||
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Well, I'm going to listen to people that are willing to go up there and peacefully protest. | |
| And remember, you know, if those who can't get there, contributions will only be used for transportation only. | ||
| Well, before you can solicit anything like that, you've got to have an organization put together and bank accounts and trusts and all the rest of it. | ||
| All righty. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, I'll work on that and get back to you. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, let me know. | ||
| All right, bye. | ||
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Bye. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's follow up on the whole Linda Thompson business. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| very very strange Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Hi, Ark. | |
| This is Gary in Tacoma. | ||
| Hi, Gary. | ||
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Yeah, I wanted to make a comment on gun control. | |
| Yes. | ||
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But a quick comment before that about that question you had when you were talking to Preston Nichols. | |
| the Eldridge could easily have generated the power that Al Beulick was talking about because it was working off of Tesla's black box theory which I've actually seen into the guts of a copy of the black box there's a guy up here in the Seattle area who has the patent for | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Look, I just wanted to say that, but about gun control, do they have gun control in Vancouver, Washington? | ||
| And the rate of violence does not decrease with the disappearance of guns. | ||
| People just turn to other forms of violence, other weapons. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| Is it worth pointing out? | ||
| Is it really worth it? | ||
| You know, abnauseum, I have to point this out. | ||
| But for example, look at Africa right now. | ||
| There have been, so far, a half million people killed, and 90% of them have died of what? | ||
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Probably machetes. | |
| Machete wounds. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So if you want to kill, you're going to find a way to kill. | ||
| Even if it's by the tens or hundreds of thousands, gun or no gun, it's human behavior, and I get so tired of preaching that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, and it would just create a black market in the United States if they eradicated guns. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| I'm living about this last little slice or big slice of gun control. | ||
| You know what got that done? | ||
| The president, who wanted to mollify some of his liberal critics because he had to go and do the back shuffle on the MFN for China, the White House feared so much criticism that they threw in a gun ban just to quiet the left. | ||
| This guy's getting to be too much. | ||
| This guy's getting to be too much. | ||
| Wild guard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Good morning, Art. | |
| Hello. | ||
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Mr. Bronx Brother from KPNW. | |
| Oh, yes. | ||
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How you been? | |
| Fine. | ||
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Very good. | |
| Just calling to remind everyone that, you know, this guy called the president, whoever he is, a Reagan, a Clinton, a Perot, they're all just puppets. | ||
| And the real strings are being pulled by. | ||
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The corporations of America. | |
| Not the mom and pop shops. | ||
| Not the mom and pop shops. | ||
| The big guys. | ||
| The big ones. | ||
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The guys that are putting the bill for the senators, the congressmen, and the president. | |
| And they're just there to take the heat for the corporations. | ||
| But that's all aside. | ||
| That's an aside. | ||
| And like I say, divide and conquer. | ||
| If they can keep us thinking liberal, conservative, boom, they've divided us. | ||
| So they're doing what they want to do no matter what, and we're just sitting around debating liberal, conservative. | ||
| Well, there's not much choice. | ||
| When they're doing the kinds of things they're doing, people like myself can't stay quiet about it, can't stay silent. | ||
| I mean, to do so is deadly. | ||
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Right, but then you talk about the Reagan principles last night. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| As in that he had some and this guy doesn't. | ||
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Okay, well, okay, okay. | |
| Let's say, let me take it, for example. | ||
| Releasing severely mentally sick people into the population just because we don't have money for mental hospitals no more. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
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We run state lawsuits. | |
| Sir, you really don't know the story on this. | ||
| Look, do you know why that was done? | ||
| It was done because of lawsuits. | ||
| I have watched administrations of cities, of states, of the federal government actually go out, for example, and take into custody, protective custody, some people out there talking to themselves on the streets. | ||
| Homeless people. | ||
| People who seem to have genuine psychological problems and try to do something. | ||
| And do you know what the reaction on the left was? | ||
| Lawsuit. | ||
| Lawsuit. | ||
| Police state. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And they've gone to court, for example, and had people that were being studied released. | ||
| Released. | ||
| People who I think almost any of you on looking at this person or listening to them for a while would agree that they are very psychologically troubled. | ||
| The left went to court to have them cut loose and got them cut loose. | ||
| New York is a good example. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Howdy are, this is Jason in Bellingham. | |
| Hello, Jason. | ||
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I just wanted to call up and still put the challenge to any creationists out there about what I mentioned last night. | |
| And also, I have two more things. | ||
| Well, they've already answered that, I thought, many of them very well. | ||
| So why renew it? | ||
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Oh, I didn't hear. | |
| Your challenge was with regard to the stars, right? | ||
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Right, exactly. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I think that's been thoroughly discussed. | ||
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Within the last day? | |
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, I didn't hear anybody. | ||
| What did they have to say? | ||
| Well, even Preston Nichols commented on it. | ||
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What was it? | |
| Well, it all has to do with the age of the earth and all the rest of it. | ||
| Anyway, sir, go ahead. | ||
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Okay, well, the next ones are, why do, when humans are in embryos, or all mammals for that matter, do they have gill slits? | |
| and the second one is a challenge to the bible of how did noah possibly get all the species all the known and all the unknown species and the provisions for them on a boat for a hundred and twenty days and he would have to get all the marine organisms on the boat too because they couldn't survive the Thanks for the call. | ||
| 120 days on a boat with all the world's animals. | ||
| Boy, you'd come off reeking. | ||
| Hello there on the toll-free line. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| Goodness, I about fell over. | ||
| This is in Glendale, K-F-Y-I. | ||
| And I wanted to say hi to King Arthur of the Kingdom of I. I think that's kind of neat. | ||
| And I greet you. | ||
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Okay, what I wanted to say is that man's name is the McElhaney Report. | |
| I've heard people from his organization, you know, on some of the shows, the talk shows, and they're very good. | ||
| I think there's a V in there, McElvaney. | ||
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McElhaney or McElvaney. | |
| McElhaney, I think it is. | ||
| McElvaney, yes. | ||
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Yeah, McElvaney, and they're real good. | |
| That may be a V. I've never seen it in writing, so it's kind of hard to know. | ||
| All right, it's M-C-A-L-V-A-N-Y. | ||
| McElvaney, it would seem, intelligence advisor. | ||
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That's it. | |
| Okay. | ||
| And what you were saying also about the possibility of the president signing an executive order this weekend makes me very angry, too. | ||
| Well, now look, listen to me. | ||
| It's only a rumor. | ||
| I wouldn't report it as more than a rumor, and that's the way the person who sent the facts reported it. | ||
| So take that. | ||
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I understand you say that, but that still, it just irks the dickens out of me. | |
| I mean, just the... | ||
| And because I can imagine that, I don't think he would do it. | ||
| I think no matter what ultimate goals the gun grabbers have, to sign something like that, well, that'd be the end. | ||
| You know, that'd be the end. | ||
| That'd be the final straw, and that would be pushing too hard. | ||
| So my inclination is to believe that it is not true. | ||
| Could be wrong. | ||
| Hello there on the first time caller line. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Oh, I'm on the air. | |
| You're on the air. | ||
| Turn your radio off. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| This is Lynn from Phoenix, Arizona. | ||
| Hi, Lynn. | ||
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And what I wanted to ask you, do you know that the Kitty Hawk is going to leave for Korea next week? | |
| The Kitty Hawk will leave for Korea. | ||
| No, I hadn't heard that. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| I didn't know whether it was common knowledge or not. | ||
| I happened to be in a position to overhear a young man who was stationed aboard it. | ||
| He was home on leave and said that he was shipping out next week on the Kitty Hawk for Korea. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you, I'm glad it's not wartime or probably they'd have us both put away for what you just said. | ||
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That's what I'm afraid. | |
| But it wouldn't surprise me. | ||
| And I'm afraid the situation in Korea is deteriorating quickly. | ||
| And I don't know how long good time Bill can keep from a confrontation with regard to Korea, but I think not much longer. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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And you're welcome. | |
| Bye. | ||
| Oh, Bill and his rose-colored glasses. | ||
| I don't think he can keep it up very much longer. | ||
| I'm afraid that push is just about coming to shove. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
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Hi, Art. | |
| This is Robert Neveret. | ||
| Hi, Robert. | ||
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Yeah, guess what? | |
| I want to throw a big curve at you. | ||
| I want to talk about Jupiter. | ||
| Okay, let's do it. | ||
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Right now, all the planets are at a situation they haven't been for about 2,000 years. | |
| I mean, that's pretty biblical, but that's a fact. | ||
| And would you ask him what that all about? | ||
| Well, I'm not clear on your question, that there is some kind of alignment right now? | ||
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Well, there's going to be. | |
| Like through this summer and then November of next year, I mean, every planet will be on one side of the sun. | ||
| And that hasn't happened for 2,000 years. | ||
| And I'm not real biblical, but 2,000 years, everybody calls you always talks about that. | ||
| Boy, I'll tell you, you're right about that. | ||
| Everything points toward the year 2000. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Sure, I'll try to remember that. | ||
| For the first time ever, all planets will be aligned on one side of the sun. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| If anything. | ||
| On the Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Hello. | |
| Yeah, this is Marie in Marysville. | ||
| And when you were talking to him about the reversal, he mentioned that it's happened before quite a few times on the plate magnetic, the north and south. | ||
| How do we know that? | ||
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It's in the records. | |
| You can find, you know, in the center of the Atlantic Ocean, they have a ridge. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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And if you study and read any books on plate tectonics, you will notice that the magnetic poles have reversed themselves quite a few times. | |
| It will point when you have rocks that come up hot, they freeze the magnetic north or south. | ||
| And it shows that right in the ridge it's happened before. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So by the various directions that they turn in the strata, you can say, well, this many thousands of years ago, the poles shifted. | ||
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Yes, it's happened before. | |
| They're not quite sure what happens, but it has happened. | ||
| And that may be where you get a lot of movement of the plates. | ||
| So that could be that, too. | ||
| But I just kind of had a question that you know how you've been down on Clinton so much, and I have too. | ||
| Have you ever noticed that the banging on the table starting quite a bit? | ||
| Yeah, almost every, you're right. | ||
| Every public appearance lately, he's been banging on the table. | ||
| It's true. | ||
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Okay, you should get a hold of some psychology books on body language and how to forcefully. | |
| And what would I discover? | ||
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Well, I think you find that he is doing a lot like Hitler too. | |
| It's to emphasize points. | ||
| He's trying to control what we feel. | ||
| Even though everything is going the wrong way, he's trying to take control of it. | ||
| And it just, across TV, it just irks me. | ||
| So what we're viewing then is Bill Clinton's slow descent into psychosis? | ||
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Well, I don't think it's into psychosis more than it's trying to take control. | |
| I just have a correspondence between what Hitler, sitting there watching him and watching Clinton, and that's how it's coming across. | ||
| I don't know if he's listening, but it's sure coming across. | ||
| Should we be watching for a mustache soon? | ||
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Oh, I think so. | |
| I think we better watch him. | ||
| And I think that just everything is just changing so fast. | ||
| He has to push it so fast to get it across without thinking. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, you know, I appreciate your call. | ||
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Yes, all right. | |
| This is Pat from Albuquerque. | ||
| KQ E. Hi, Pat. | ||
| You were talking about the Chinese and most favored nation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Clinton, I guess, signed that order banning all guns and ammunition from China. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to dry it up to some extent, but there are other countries like Egypt, Yugoslavia, and other places that you'll still be able to get ammunition from. | ||
| Well, the main supplier has definitely been China. | ||
| And I've seen a lot of ammo out there and been in a lot of gun stores. | ||
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Well, it's pretty much dried up. | |
| Here in Albuquerque, it's dried up to about five boxes per customer, most places. | ||
| Brother. | ||
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And it's in, well, you know, it's just something, you know, if you have any, it's best not to go out and just, you know, plink with it because you may need it sometime down the road. | |
| Well, I certainly agree with that. | ||
| I tell you, this latest thing has made me sick. | ||
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I've seen this coming for about 10 years now. | |
| And it's been expected for quite a while. | ||
| And I think a lot of people have noticed the changes over the years, you know, the way that the government has tried to ban different things and take away our rights. | ||
| Well, what are you going to do, personally? | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
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Well, what I do is I reload. | |
| And I have been doing a lot of it recently. | ||
| And just stockpiling. | ||
| And even primers and stuff like that, primers are hard to come by now. | ||
| One of the local gun stores, when he gets them, allocates 300 primers per customer of one type. | ||
| I mean, if you buy something like small rifle primers, you're only allowed 300 per order. | ||
| Boy, sir, I've got to go. | ||
| I'm at the top of the hour. | ||
| I appreciate your call. | ||
| Thank you, Albuquerque. | ||
| Gunbands, gunbands, gunbands. | ||
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Gunbands, gunbands. | |
| From the Kingdom of Nine, this is a special replay of Coast to Coast AM with Arfell. | ||
| Tonight's program is a rebroadcast from May 27th, 1994. | ||
| Please do not call. | ||
| Toll free line, you're on the air. | ||
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Hi. | |
| Yes, I'd like to disagree with you on, well, I agree with you with the part where you oppose Clinton's flip-flopping on it, but I disagree with you as to the intelligence of his final choice on the China policy. | ||
| Oh, I think it was the only choice, and I'll make my case, but I'll let you make yours first. | ||
| Why do you think he should have stuck with the link between human rights and trade? | ||
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Well, for one thing, he had stated very strongly for at least two years that there was this link, that it was correct that there'd be a link, and that Bush, who had also conceded that there should be a link, had not enforced what Bush had said. | |
| So by doing what he did, aside from the fact that I believe morally China is corrupt morally and has killed millions of Chinese and is destroying Tibet, which never receives any notice in news media, for this reason, I believe that it just shows Chinese can just thumb their noses at us at any time, which they've been doing for years, whenever we make an ultimatum or a request or a demand, and they always win. | ||
| And this just shows that they can basically do whatever they want, and it shows other people in the world. | ||
| Look, sir, China has a billion people. | ||
| In 15 years, China is going to be the world's largest economy. | ||
| There are certain things that we cannot ignore. | ||
| That, believe me, is one of them. | ||
| We have certain choices in this world, either we, economically, that is, and either we're part of the solution or, in effect, we're going to be part of the problem. | ||
| And while it's great to hold the flag up for human rights, we've got to go on eating, so to speak. | ||
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Well, you know, see, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy problem. | |
| You can say, yes, it'll be the biggest economy in so many years. | ||
| Well, that's not foreordained. | ||
| I mean, in 1945, you're wrong. | ||
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In 1945, who would have foreordained that Japan would have been the second economy in the world? | |
| I mean, it was possible, but you can't assume that. | ||
| Well, you can project that. | ||
| just about any good economist and will project it. | ||
| Believe me, China is inevitable. | ||
| I suppose if we would have nothing to do with them, we might change the timeline a little bit, but not the final result. | ||
| So, you know, if you're a hard-bitten realist and you know that that's true, then you're cutting off your own nose. | ||
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Okay, let me point out something that I think you will agree with. | |
| We'll see. | ||
| At least if he I personally I think that he should have held out for more human r for some minimal human rights at least in Tibet. | ||
| But failing that, he could have at least gotten some concrete concessions in forcing them to make the North Koreans do you know? | ||
| How do you know that he did not get concessions about the Korean scenario and what now is going to have to be done? | ||
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Well, based on Clinton, the way he's just based on following him the last few months, I sincerely doubt that he's gotten anything. | |
| God, I wish that you would not have taken that approach because I am almost forced to agree that's a possibility, Sam. | ||
| But it is a possibility. | ||
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I mean, I hate to say that, but I believe Clinton's the one-term president, and I hope the Republicans get their act together, because if they don't do an incompetent job of campaigning like in 1992, they could get it back. | |
| But I have, unfortunately, I have faith in the Republicans as being almost as incompetent as the Democrats. | ||
| I mean, I'm a Republican, but I think they're going to salivate, and then they're going to end up putting some candidate in there who's weak who Clinton can attack. | ||
| But failing that, I think the Republicans get it back, because Clinton, I feel these scandals, there's enough time for all these scandals to just age and just to mellow by the time the 96 campaign comes around. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| I appreciate your call, sir. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And the one part that causes me to hiccup a little bit is his assertion the Clinton administration isn't bright enough to make a deal like that. | ||
| You know, Nixon would have. | ||
| In other words, in backtracking on his policy, which really was the right thing to do, he would have at least made some political capital from it, have realized some under-the-table deal with the Chinese that they wouldn't interfere with what inevitably is going to have to be done in Korea. | ||
| Fighting the Koreans will be bloody enough. | ||
| Fighting the Chinese could be catastrophic. | ||
| So beyond the economic pressure, there are the political considerations I just outlined. | ||
| They are not trivial. | ||
| But what he said worries me. | ||
| Because he could be right. | ||
| Here's a fact I just got. | ||
| Art Bell, are you willing to pay the cost of the drug prohibition, the complete loss of your right to bear arms? | ||
| If I recall my history, the prohibition against machine guns was a result of bootleggers' misuse of this weapon during the 1930s alcohol prohibition. | ||
| Now, drug dealers are misusing assault guns, handguns, and semi-automatic rifles. | ||
| Does anybody doubt that guns will soon be prohibited? | ||
| It is, after all, a logical government response to a scared population that's demanding simplistic answers to the violent crime problem. | ||
| Over the last 20 years, we've had the war on drugs, the war on crime, the building of more prisons. | ||
| Now we have more people in prison than ever before. | ||
| We have more drugs, more crime, and fewer civil liberties than ever before. | ||
| Could we be missing something? | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Good morning, Art. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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I don't know whether I'm listening to you live, because I've here on Klamath Falls, but I think you are live. | |
| You're talking about China? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Because when you first came on the air here, they were like an hour behind or something. | |
| I don't know how they used to schedule you. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| Do you have your radio there? | ||
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Yeah, well, you're live now. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
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Yes, but anyway, you mentioned that, you know, economic-wise, we needed to go ahead and trade with China. | |
| Now, I don't disagree with that necessarily. | ||
| Economically and politically. | ||
| In other words, I'm saying that China's eventual ascension economically will occur with or without the United States. | ||
| The best we could do is probably affect the timeline a little bit, but not the final result. | ||
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Okay, so let's talk about sort of a hypothetical thing here. | |
| With some country, I don't know what kind of human violations or what kind of conditions the people who make these goods that we're going to enjoy here in this country, I don't know if they're going through any kinds of torture or not to produce items that we're going to enjoy. | ||
| But let's talk about Nazi Germany. | ||
| Is there a limit on what kind of human suffering we will allow a trading partner to inflict upon its people before we can say, hey, maybe I can do without this nice little item for 10% cheap that I have to pay if it came from someplace else? | ||
| Is there a limit? | ||
| Is there any point that the people of the United States care about humanity and suffering? | ||
| All right, I've got it. | ||
| I've got it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to make you president for a second, all right? | ||
| Let me do that. | ||
| Let me make you president. | ||
| Can I? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here's the situation, Mr. President. | ||
| On the one hand, I'm sorry, but I have to verify for you, Mr. President, despite your presidential signature on a document not long ago outlining what China would have to do, and we know about the campaign promises you made, Mr. President, but there's two things that we've got to tell you, Mr. President. | ||
| On the other side of the coin, with these human rights violations, we have a situation where we're probably going to end up going to war with North Korea, or may well have to. | ||
| China's position at that critical juncture is important beyond our ability to state it. | ||
| Not just for the people that are repressed in China, but for the people that will have to go and fight. | ||
| We can fight North Korea, but to get involved in a war with China is not doable. | ||
| So there is that consideration, Mr. President, plus the billion people in China and the inevitability of their economy. | ||
| So weigh those two factors against the human rights violations and give me a decision. | ||
| So what is your decision? | ||
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Well, a lot of times you have to pay that the price gets greater as you do not face a problem head-on. | |
| I agree. | ||
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You try and cite. | |
| Now, a politician has to be re-elected. | ||
| That's why it's really hard to find a man or a woman who will stand by their principle. | ||
| I mean, not just any old principles. | ||
| All right, fine, fine. | ||
| So we've got you, Mr. President, and we realize you're a hell of a guy and you don't care about your re-election. | ||
| You're going to do what's right for America. | ||
| So now we need your decision, Mr. President. | ||
| We gave you the factors. | ||
| What do you say? | ||
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I like the way we back down Osam Hussein with our military. | |
| If Clinton hadn't cut our military, if we were a powerful nation again, you know, I mean, we're with Desert Storm. | ||
| Mr. President, if my president's words stood for something, if people knew that the United States stand for something, if they weren't going to bet down, they wouldn't call our bluff because they know that we meant business. | ||
| Why don't you be a politician? | ||
| You don't answer the question. | ||
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Well, I do what? | |
| No, I wouldn't tell you. | ||
| I mean, the question is, I'd say, no, we're not taught these violations. | ||
| You guys want to go to war? | ||
| We've got the military right. | ||
| We got the power. | ||
| You just come on and get it. | ||
| Because we'd have the respect. | ||
| People would know that that's what goes with being the most powerful military and the most powerful economic country in the world. | ||
| We can back people down. | ||
| All right, Mr. President. | ||
| So it is to war we go with the Chinese. | ||
| And how many Americans, Mr. President, do you suppose are going to die for your principle, for your upholding the principle with regard to human rights? | ||
| How many Americans are going to die, Mr. President? | ||
| Well, you're not going to be in office very long, I'll tell you that. | ||
| What's best for America? | ||
| Clearly, the answer is that strategically and economically, the two major things that we think about, what Mr. Clinton did is the right thing. | ||
| For all the wrong reasons. | ||
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But it's the right thing. | |
| Wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Good morning, Mr. Bell. | |
| This is Rob from Oahu. | ||
| How you doing, sir? | ||
| Just fine. | ||
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Well, I tell you, if I was president, the first thing I'd set in stone is I'd be the only one using a presidential helicopter. | |
| And, you know, it's like I told you yesterday, it's hard enough to hide one of them monsters on a golf course. | ||
| But two of them, yeah. | ||
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They must have parked that one behind the country club. | |
| Well, I'll tell you right now, that picture with the Marines saluting and the guys with their golf carts, the White House AIDS, that is going to go down as one of the visuals from this administration and one of the great visuals of all time to perhaps even rival the kiss in Paris. | ||
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That's classic. | |
| I mean, that poor Marine is the epitome of grace under pressure. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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You've got that right. | |
| You know, it's hard to salute somebody in golf shoes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you just will want to take them seriously. | ||
| I mean doing the Marine thing. | ||
| God bless the Marines. | ||
| But he was standing there stiff boying that salute, and it was like the president himself was right there. | ||
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Oh, well, he was doing his job, wasn't he? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You got to give him that. | ||
| If I could, I'd like to take a minute and issue kind of a stern warning to people that have sons and daughters in the military. | ||
| What they share with you in confidence needs to stay that way. | ||
| I can't stress this enough. | ||
| Yeah, they used to say loose lips sink ships. | ||
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Well, that's very true. | |
| On top of being a major breach of security and possibly it coming back to that person, you may never see your loved ones alive again. | ||
| You know, and if you want to see censorship in America, well, hey, you know, we did it in World War II. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Thanks for the call, sir. | ||
| Well, we're not at war, so the same things don't really apply. | ||
| But, you know, North Korea has submarines. | ||
| And while our capital ships are pretty well protected, and the noisy old subs that North Korea has really wouldn't have much of a chance of getting one of our capital ships, I don't put it past them but to try something like that. | ||
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The End. | |
| Now, I'm going to do a little gun panel, not a panel. | ||
| I'm going to get two of you. | ||
| I want one anti-gunner. | ||
| I want one person who wants to ban guns to call me at the bottom of the hour break at Area Code 702-727-1222. | ||
| When we go to the bottom of the hour break, anti-gunners, gun grabbers, people who think that every gun on the street ought to be confiscated, call Area Code 702-727-1222. | ||
| Everybody else wishing to oppose that position at the bottom of the hour, call 702-727-1295. | ||
| On the wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello? | ||
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Well, this is Bob from Sacramento. | |
| Hi, Bob. | ||
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Yeah, the last couple of times I called you, but cut me off. | |
| Well, what did you say that caused me to cut you off? | ||
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I can't get into that. | |
| I wanted to make a point, though, about Haiti. | ||
| Well, then, I can't believe that I cut you off, Bob. | ||
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Well, listen, I want to make a point about Haiti. | |
| All righty, go right ahead. | ||
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Well, the thing goes that there's a ton of cocaine flowing out of Haiti into America every month. | |
| And the Bank of Miami had the greatest cash reserve of any bank in the states. | ||
| And now that cash reserve has transferred over to the Los Angeles banks because of NAFTA. | ||
| What would NAFTA have to do with it? | ||
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NAFTA has to do with the Mexican truckers coming through without being stopped. | |
| I see. | ||
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And the truck drivers under NAFTA. | |
| What money laundering? | ||
| Are you talking about drug money laundering? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And You know, you think about a ton of cocaine coming out of Haiti every month. | ||
| That's big bucks. | ||
| That's big bucks, yes. | ||
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And there's a book written by Mark Levine, DEA, Drug Enforcement Agency, called The Great White Lie. | |
| Yes. | ||
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And it implicates the CIA in cocaine and drug running. | |
| Yeah, bah, humbug. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| You know, I think some. | ||
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If you read this book, it'll turn your head around. | |
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Well, I think definitely the CIA was involved in some of that from South America. | ||
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But they say the Nicaraguan army was armed with drug money. | |
| All right. | ||
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You have the best talk show on the air. | |
| Thank you, Bob. | ||
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Good evening. | |
| See you later. | ||
| I think that the CIA perhaps was involved in, and certainly there was a story on 60 Minutes, but it was in an attempt, a futile, stupid attempt, to catch some druggies where they actually became involved in drug dealing. | ||
| As far as the Contras are concerned, I'm sure some of the pilots that went down probably did bring back drugs. | ||
| But in terms of the CIA having an active role in sponsoring drug shipments in order to finance the Contra war or anything else, I don't believe that now. | ||
| I didn't believe it then. | ||
| And it has yet to be proven to me whether somebody writes a book or not. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air. | ||
| Hello. | ||
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Oh, hi. | |
| Hi. | ||
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Is this Mr. Bell? | |
| It is, yes. | ||
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Hi, sir. | |
| Yeah, I was going to ask you a little bit. | ||
| I was just talking or listening to you about the Chinese war that we possibly might have. | ||
| And my father, who's passed away now, when he came back from Korea and said that the Chinese could walk across the ocean, six abreast, and that they could take, or one of their leaders, I can't remember his name, have said that they would take democracy and this country without ever firing a shot. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| Well, I think it is important. | ||
| Where are you calling from, sir? | ||
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I'm calling from Eastern Washington. | |
| Eastern Washington, thank you. | ||
| I think it is important to understand how many Chinese there are. | ||
| And I think a lot of Americans don't understand that. | ||
| Last census, I believe that we were around 250, 260 million people. | ||
| The Chinese have a population roughly four times our population. | ||
| China is now beginning to not change politically, but economically they are. | ||
| They've got quite a capitalist engine that has started, and China is rapidly changing. | ||
| Eventually, economic change will force political change. | ||
| There's almost no question about it. | ||
| So we have to bide our time, and I think we have to bide it wisely. | ||
| So I'm going to say this again. | ||
| Extending MFN to China was the right thing to do. | ||
| It had to have been a very embarrassing thing for Bill Clinton, considering the poisonous rhetoric that he poured on George Bush for so long about coddling the Chinese communists and all the rest of it. | ||
| It must have been very internally embarrassing. | ||
| Or maybe not. | ||
| Maybe Bill Clinton's actually past that. | ||
| Either way, it was the right decision. | ||
| And then, of course, there is Korea. | ||
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We'll be back. | |
| From the Coast to Coach AM archives, you're listening to the best of ourselves. | ||
| This program was originally broadcast May 27, 1994. | ||
| Please do not call. | ||
| Here again I am, and just before I get this discussion going, and I forgot to screen for calls. | ||
| So I'm going to have to screen for calls here in a minute on the air. | ||
| That's always a lie. | ||
| On the wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Dr. Democrat. | |
| Well, hello there. | ||
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Good morning, Art. | |
| Good morning. | ||
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I'm certainly glad that Dan Rodenkuski has decided to fight rather than switch. | |
| Well, yeah, isn't that something? | ||
| I've been hearing that as well. | ||
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I love a Democrat that fights. | |
| You know, it... | ||
| Right, but this way he can stay in the Congress at least, and he can fight for health care and the rest of Clinton's agenda. | ||
| And he could drag this court case out for a year or two. | ||
| Well, he certainly could, probably, Doc. | ||
| It is true. | ||
| Now, there may be moves by Republicans to eject him once he's indicted. | ||
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Yeah, but I don't think they can do it because a man's innocent until proven guilty. | |
| Another thing, I had heard, Doc, that if he chose to fight, that the indictment could come very quickly. | ||
| So I would think within hours, literally, the indictment could come down. | ||
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Right, but before he gets a court deep, that could be six months, eight months, who knows? | |
| It's true. | ||
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And his lawyer can drag it on and drag it on. | |
| It could be 96 before he goes to trial. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Now, whether he can keep his seat all that time is a political question. | ||
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Right. | |
| Now, did you hear about Bob Barker? | ||
| What did I hear about Bob Barker? | ||
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Oh, he had an affair with Diane Parkinson. | |
| Yeah, allegedly. | ||
| And she is going to sue him. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
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No, allegedly. | |
| What she said was that he's guilty of sexual harassment, and he says he didn't do it. | ||
| And Bob Barker understands that if he doesn't tell the truth, he's not going to be able to do it. | ||
| Well, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
| I heard the word affair, right? | ||
| Affair. | ||
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Bob Barker said. | |
| Affair. | ||
| Well, okay, an affair is not sexual harassment. | ||
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So she accused him of sexual harassment? | |
| I understand that, but if she went to bed with him voluntarily... | ||
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According to Bob Barker, she said she started the affair. | |
| She came on to him. | ||
| Now, Bob Barker understands if he doesn't tell the truth, he's going to have to pay the consequences. | ||
| And I understand also that Diane Parkinson might be willing to settle out of court if the price is right. | ||
| Well, who knows? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All right. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| And I thought at the time, and it was just sort of musings, but how can you have sexual harassment when you volunteer to go to bed with somebody now? | ||
| Maybe there's the charge that she did it or had to do it to keep her job. | ||
| But you know, there is free will, too, isn't there? | ||
| In other words, if you don't want to go to bed with somebody, whether it's sexual harassment or not, you can tell them, goodbye. | ||
| Kiss off. | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
| Rivoderchi. | ||
| Take your job and your harassment and shove it. | ||
| You can say that, right? | ||
| So there is free will. | ||
| And so I don't know, in cases where people are going to claim later that it was harassment, but indeed the act was ensuing for some time, I think that fact would tend, if I were a juror, to weaken the case in my mind quite a bit. | ||
| On the toll-free line, you're on the air. | ||
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Hi, good morning, Ari. | |
| How you doing? | ||
| Just fine. | ||
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This is Tim. | |
| What I was calling about, I don't know if I can mention the name. | ||
| I've got a shortwave, and you seem to be pretty knowledgeable. | ||
| I was in the Navy. | ||
| I was a radio in the Navy. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| You can mention it. | ||
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Okay, it's a Sony ICF SW. | |
| Yes. | ||
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SW-1. | |
| Right. | ||
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I was wondering what you thought of that as a radio for shortwave. | |
| It doesn't have sideband, though. | ||
| Well, that's a big drawback as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| I mean, if you get seriously into shortwave and you don't have a beat frequency oscillator, at least, much less individual filters, you're going to be very disappointed. | ||
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I see. | |
| Okay, well, I just enjoy your show. | ||
| I just want to let you know that. | ||
| Hello, has that buffoon intellectually vapid liberal Charlie called tonight? | ||
| I just turned you on. | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
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Oh, did he? | |
| Yeah, he called me a couple hours ago. | ||
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All right, well, you have a good night, and I hope it goes quick for you. | |
| All right, thank you. | ||
| Actually, I'd rather have it go slow. | ||
| When I'm doing a show, when I'm really having fun, and that's most of the time, because I love talk radio, it gets to the point where I don't want it to end, and I get upset with it when it's ending. | ||
| There's not enough time. | ||
| First time caller line, you're on the air. | ||
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Good morning, Mr. Bell. | |
| It's Leonard in South Dakota. | ||
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I would like to stand up for your guns. | |
| I beg your pardon? | ||
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I'd like to get on your debate for your guns. | |
| Oh, I see. | ||
| You're against guns, are you, Leonard? | ||
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I'm against confiscation of our guns. | |
| Oh, well, Leonard, you're on the wrong side and on the wrong line. | ||
| Now, you didn't listen, Leonard. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| But I said if you want to confiscate guns, if you think they should be confiscated, if you think the president's doing the right thing, then call me at 702-727-1222. | ||
| And you got it backwards, Leonard. | ||
| Backwards. | ||
| So, we're looking for somebody now that wants to confiscate the guns. | ||
| Thinks they ought to be confiscated. | ||
| Have a little mini debate here. | ||
| Hi there. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Do you think the guns ought to be confiscated? | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| Oh, lordy. | ||
| All right, hold on. | ||
| All right, so there he is. | ||
| The Big C. Anybody want to argue against that position? | ||
| On the wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
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Good morning, Art. | |
| Stan out here in San Diego's Hot Talk Cogo, K-O-G-O. | ||
| K-O-G-O the Mighty, yes, sir. | ||
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mighty mighty yes mr clinton i'm afraid that uh... | |
| uh... | ||
| you've got a He's desperately trying. | ||
| I mean, he's got the Black Caucus now because he needs their vote, certainly. | ||
| And we know hunger strikes work. | ||
| Well, that's exactly what has shaped our Haitian policy, is a hunger strike. | ||
| And Randall, once again, yesterday, was out calling for an invasion of Haiti. | ||
| The vice president hinted we may be about to invade, and I am convinced we are. | ||
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That's right. | |
| And, of course, it's always good to get the country, get some extra votes, especially if he's slipping a little bit. | ||
| But timing's important there, you know. | ||
| What do you think of the prospect of Hillary Clinton as president? | ||
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Well, I'm glad you mentioned that. | |
| Certainly you wouldn't remember, but quite some time ago, I said to you, I said, you know, Art, I had this terrible, terrible thought. | ||
| And you said, what was that? | ||
| I said, well, eight years of Clinton, eight years of Gore, eight years of Hillary. | ||
| I just think you've got the order wrong. | ||
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Well, back then I did. | |
| Obviously, they did a quail job on Gore, you know, and so forth. | ||
| So, yeah, that's amazing. | ||
| Even contemplating eight years of Hillary Clinton. | ||
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And it is a horrible thought, isn't it? | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
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I mean, it's just almost like surreal. | |
| Yeah, and you know what? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
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I know. | |
| Let's laugh first, because otherwise you'd cry. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Let me say something about Jacqueline Kennedy, if I may. | |
| Yes, you may. | ||
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You know, this was a woman that she carried Herself with dignity. | |
| She had an elegance about her. | ||
| She went through hell, and she was courageous, and she wanted to be private and so forth. | ||
| And so, and this Camelot thing and the whole thing. | ||
| And here was somebody we could say some nice things about. | ||
| But boy, you should hear people saying, well, she never did anything for the country, and she wasn't even, but she owed us some reasons, and she owed us this, and she owed us that. | ||
| I mean, anything to tear somebody down. | ||
| It was sort of an elegant lady. | ||
| I mean, that we can say that much. | ||
| After all, another thing can be said, it raises the old story that she actually made Aristotle Onastis a millionaire, you know. | ||
| She made him a millionaire? | ||
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Yeah, he used to be a billionaire. | |
| I see. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you very much for the call. | ||
| Made him a millionaire. | ||
| On our wildcard line, you're on the air. | ||
| Good morning. | ||
| Good morning, Art. | ||
| This is Larry calling from Las Vegas. | ||
| Hello, Larry. | ||
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How are you? | |
| Fine. | ||
| I was going to ask a favor of you. | ||
| Would you consider fielding a question on your program to the American public? | ||
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Of course. | |
| I would really appreciate it if you would ask those folks out there if they think it might be possible that when God gave us the Bible, made it possible for us to have it and it's been preserved all these years, did he do it because he thought we needed a manual of instruction for life? | ||
| Much like we come with your Ford or your shipping? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just think you might get some interesting responses. | ||
| I think a lot of people think of the Bible as nothing but sort of a sanctimonious bunch of fairy tales or something. | ||
| And I just thought it might be kind of interesting. | ||
| It might get people to thinking that there might be some answers in that book to our problems that we're facing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Crime and all this other stuff. | ||
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All right. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
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You bet. | |
| Take care. | ||
| And so there, the question is out. | ||
| You asked it. | ||
| Sort of an instruction manual for life. | ||
| But without any warranties. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So I've got the Big C here on line one. | ||
| Anybody wishing to take him on should call on one of the wildcard lines right now. | ||
| And wait till you see what I've got coming up. | ||
| I've got a state representative for the state of Alaska of gun owners of America who's going to take on Big C in just a moment here. | ||
| That's what I'm going to call him from now on, the Big C. And away we go. | ||
| Big C, are you there? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right, good. | ||
| Here is a representative, state representative for Gun Owners of America in Alaska. | ||
| Where are you in Alaska? | ||
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I'm in the soon-to-be new capital of Wasilla. | |
| Wasilla, Alaska. | ||
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Soon to be the new capital. | |
| All right. | ||
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Correct. | |
| You both are on the... | ||
| I'd love to have him. | ||
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If you like, I'll give you the office number and give it to you over the air. | |
| There's no problem with that. | ||
| Well, don't do that. | ||
| Fax it to me or send it to me. | ||
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I don't have access to a fact. | |
| I'm not like a government employee who's calling on government time. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to bow out. | ||
| We'll get it. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| I've got it. | ||
| Go ahead, you two. | ||
| Subject guns. | ||
| First of all, let me assure you, sir, that one day your worst fears and my dreams will come true. | ||
| I think you and I are in a war, and I think it's a war for the heart of America. | ||
| And I believe that the lives of many Americans depend on my side winning that war, and we will do that. | ||
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One thing, sir, one thing to let you know is that if your side ever attempts to go ahead and confiscate our weapons, there will be lives of many people shed. | |
| And as Jefferson stated, the Tree of Liberty will be fertilized with the blood of patriots and traitors. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| You can make your idle threats as much as you like. | ||
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These are not idle threats, sir. | |
| Well, that is. | ||
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These are not idle threats. | |
| That's exactly Chinese, American, and all kinds of weapons used and turned upon each other if you attempt to take weapons. | ||
| Let me assure you why. | ||
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Why don't you go ahead and exercise the same rights or exercise the same restrictions on the other constitutional rights? | |
| Why don't you start making a law about what church you're going to go to or can't go to? | ||
| Because you are under the false impression that you have a constitutional right in the Second Amendment. | ||
| Let me show you that you don't. | ||
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Excuse me. | |
| Excuse me. | ||
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The Constitution is not a right? | |
| The Second Amendment is totally misunderstood by you guys. | ||
| No, it does not have a right there. | ||
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The Supreme Court has upheld that the right of the individual is the same as when they are referring to the people. | |
| They are referring to the right of the individual. | ||
| So that means the people, that means the corporations only have the right of free speech. | ||
| The corporations only have the right of free worship. | ||
| Am I correct? | ||
| No, what I'm saying. | ||
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If you're going to use the same analogy, you're going to use it throughout. | |
| Throughout? | ||
| What I'm saying is that you guys do not understand the Second Amendment. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
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And the courts are the militia as a whole. | |
| Individual private citizen. | ||
| If you look over in the legal definitions of the militia, the militia is any able-bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45 who is not an elected official or a member of the military. | ||
| When Oswald carried that gun and pointed at John Kennedy's head, was he part of the militia? | ||
| When Robert Kennedy was shot after the street celebration, was that guy part of the militia? | ||
| He was an American. | ||
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By definition, he was not considered part of the militia. | |
| Why not? | ||
| Oswald's an American citizen, isn't he? | ||
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Oswald was not either. | |
| Why not? | ||
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But I don't believe he had taken back his American listen when he went to Russia. | |
| Well, let me put it this way. | ||
| Are gangbangers part of the militia? | ||
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What gangbangers are you talking about? | |
| The gangbanger doesn't hurt the life. | ||
| Hold on, hold it, hold it. | ||
| Yeah, hold it. | ||
| You cannot both talk at the same time. | ||
| Let's face it, people doing, people, everybody who owns a gun is not part of the militia because there are some evil, crazy people out there that I would not want to be called. | ||
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You're correct, Charlie, on the saying that there are some evil, crazy people. | |
| And if you look in the mirror, you will see one of them. | ||
| Well, no, I think, here's what's going to happen in the next 20 years, because I don't think right now it would be possible to confiscate guns. | ||
| But I think in the next 20 years, because the way we're going to go about this, and I think this is the best way to do it, is that it's kind of like a landing on a beach. | ||
| You first have to bombard, and after you bombard, then you can invade. | ||
| And I think you guys are going to be, in the next 20 years, you guys, the gun nuts, like yourself, are going to be turned basically into pariahs in this country. | ||
| You're going to become more and more untyped. | ||
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All the way around, sir. | |
| And you guys are going to be the ones that are going to be turned into what you call pariahs. | ||
| Obviously, you're sleeping, sir. | ||
| Look at the numbers. | ||
| Look at what's happening. | ||
| Look at the numbers. | ||
| Look at what happened with the ban on assault weapons. | ||
| If I'd have said five years ago that we could get a ban on assault weapons, you'd have said I was crazy. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| You'd have been right. | ||
| But what's happening is those numbers are slowly turning around. | ||
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Sir, these bans have done nothing but to encourage the guns. | |
| We can talk about it. | ||
| We can talk about it. | ||
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In the past few months alone, the rate of gun sales and gun ammunition in this country has surpassed the rate of it for several previous years combined. | |
| I know, and I would have imagined that, because you do have a lot of gun extremists out there. | ||
| I think the majority of them... | ||
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But the people that are buying the guns and weapons are people who would never have thought about buying a weapon before. | |
| The inevitable tide is turning. | ||
| You want to know something? | ||
| I'm happy that you do not see that the tide is turning because by the time you realize that, it's going to be too late for you. | ||
| and I think that'll be best for this country. | ||
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You do not understand that the militia as a whole will not tolerate that. | |
| The militia will turn. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| All you guys are are a bunch of hicks with some gun racks on the back of your trucks. | ||
| You guys are in the minority. | ||
| You guys are going to lose. | ||
| At the bottom line, you deserve to lose. | ||
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And if you want to resort to name-calling, you're the bureaucrat, not myself. | |
| You're the one who is calling on government time and government expense, not myself. | ||
| Well, I mean, paid vacation in government. | ||
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My own dime when I work for private enterprise. | |
| I'm still doing my job, but let's not make me the issue. | ||
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Hold it. | |
| My tax dollars are being spent to go ahead and what you call. | ||
| That's the way life goes, buddy. | ||
| But let me just say something. | ||
| You will wind up on the ash heap of history, and you want to know something? | ||
| You guys deserve it because what you guys are doing, you guys are responsible for the blood on the street. | ||
| You guys are responsible for the disorder. | ||
| We're trying to do something about it. | ||
| We're going to succeed in that. | ||
| You guys will get it. | ||
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Adolf Hitler succeeded in that. | |
| You want to know why Music Lusion succeeded in that? | ||
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And Joseph Stalin succeeded in that. | |
| When we take your weapons, don't go to the next step. | ||
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When you take my weapons, you're going to kill me. | |
| When you take the American people's weapons, you're going to kill a lot of Americans. | ||
| The American people will voluntarily give up their weapons. | ||
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And you want to know why they have turned them over in California, sir? | |
| They will give up their weapons. | ||
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How many people have turned them in California percentage-wise since California has banned them? | |
| California. | ||
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That's your state. | |
| Come on, let's talk to you. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Let me tell you. | ||
| Come on, put up or let me tell you something. | ||
| Your shut up is different from mine. | ||
| I'm not saying shut up. | ||
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I'm not saying that the Americans have turned in their weapons in the state of California. | |
| No, but I'm not saying the American people are going to wake up tomorrow. | ||
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The American people are going to start turning their weapons on these people who want to confiscate it. | |
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| I can give you a perfect example. | ||
| Perfect example was the civil rights movement in the 1960s. | ||
| If somebody out of 1962 had been told that you could go into the South right now and a black guy could go and do anything he basically wanted in the South, that person would have told you that you're crazy. | ||
| that was only twenty five thirty years ago the i'd like a very good It's an inalienable right. | ||
| It is not an inalienable right. | ||
| You guys are going to find it. | ||
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The right to have a weapon and the right to protect yourself is an inalienable right. | |
| What are you going to do, Charlie? | ||
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What are you going to do when somebody breaks into your house and tries to rape your wife? | |
| Oh, come on. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| What are you going to do when someone finds you with a knife? | ||
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You're going to go ahead and grab your handgun and try and blow the snow. | |
| What's going to happen is that your wife's going to get mad at you one night, like happens thousands of times in the U.S. every night and blow you away. | ||
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| All right, that'll have to be the final word from Alaska from Southern California. | ||
| Hidden location. | ||
| That'll have to do it. | ||
| Well, get out of here. | ||
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