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May 23, 1994 - Art Bell

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Art Bell’s 1996 Coast to Coast AM episode questions national mourning over Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis while callers warn of UN overreach—35 missile cranes in Montana, Egyptian troops in Cheyenne gun stores—and speculate on Linda Thompson’s armed march vs. the Committee of 1776’s peaceful July 2 demonstration. Harrison Schmitt dismisses gun control conspiracies but criticizes Federal Reserve policies, while callers debate Clinton-era regulations, Waco parallels, and a deadly penicillin-resistant Streptococcus strain. Bell urges legal resistance over violence, endorses gold purchases, and highlights Dreamland’s expanding reach, ending with a call to verify claims via shortwave before dismissing alarmist theories as unverified. [Automatically generated summary]
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lyn buchanan

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richard c hoagland

00:06

willie nelson

00:21

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jeremiah in denver

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Speaker	Time	Text
Good Evening, Phoenix 00:02:26
unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from May 23rd, 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the great American Southwest and the high desert.
unidentified		Good morning, good evening, good morning, slash, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The first hour of this great odyssey and a brand new week.
unidentified		I call it Coast to Coast AM TM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the program and a brand new week of talk radio.
		And we are celebrating the beginning of the coverage of KFYI in Phoenix.
		Hello, everybody in Phoenix.
unidentified		It's good to be on the air there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Full-time now.
		Good to be on KFYI.
		And we're going to celebrate that with about two hours of absolutely restricted toll-free access from Phoenix.
		So if you're at KFYI in Phoenix, it is your two hours.
		And you've got the toll-free line exclusively at 1-800-618-8255.
		It is great to be on the air in Phoenix full-time now.
		And this is the first, really the first morning of it.
		Live radio.
		Big full moon out there above the desert.
		And it is beautiful in the great American Southwest.
		And there's lots to talk about.
		Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis buried next to her first husband, Jack, right next to the eternal flame that she lit at Arlington National Cemetery.
		It has been a state funeral.
unidentified		That's the only way to describe it, a state funeral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's only one question that is worthy of asking.
		And that is, why has the nation mourned as it would a president, the loss of Jacqueline Onassis Kennedy, or Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis?
		At any rate, she is gone.
		She was a grand lady, and she is gone.
		A shootout at an Indianapolis restaurant, a Dennis, one dead, several injured, two gunmen in custody, and more violence in America.
Would Support Non-Citizens? 00:15:28
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Health care.
		The real battle is now beginning to shape up.
		It's one-seventh of the U.S. economy.
		And the question is, what do you really want?
		The Democrats are running around saying Americans really want universal coverage, shared costs, price controls, all the rest of that to achieve, well, I guess, the march down the road towards socialized medicine.
		Is that really what you want?
		The balloon going up over the weekend for Hillary Clinton.
		It looks as though she may run to be president after her husband.
		And I wonder what your reaction to that is.
		No, I will not accept screams as a reaction.
		Dan Rostenkowski, probably about to be indicted.
		And the question is, should he be pardoned for the sake of the country and the sake of health care?
		Could the president get away with that politically?
		Illegal immigration, big story on NBC yesterday.
		Why we're not guarding our borders.
		You tell me.
		On our toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Art.
unidentified		I'm calling from Phoenix, Arizona, KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The grand celebration continues.
unidentified		Glad to have you on KFYI.
unidentified		It's good to hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to be here.
unidentified		I wanted to address the issue of not controlling our borders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		One of the measures of our sovereignty, actually, for any country, is the ability to control its borders.
unidentified		And if we can send thousands of troops over to Kuwait and to Somalia, it's pretty obvious that we do have the ability to protect our own borders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We protect the border of Kuwait more zealously than we do our own.
unidentified		And in any event, I think what's happening is that the government is trying to create a problem with immigration.
		And this relates to what is known as the Hegelian principle, where the government creates a problem and then stirs up anxiety amongst the people.
		And then the government steps in and offers a solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's working.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only part I haven't seen yet is the solution.
unidentified		Well, the government is going to command.
		They had a program on KFI a couple weeks ago about this, whereby President Clinton has two executive orders that are waiting to be signed, whereby the post office would issue national ID cards to everyone in the country.
		And so basically, by creating this problem of not being able to control the immigration coming over our borders, we identify the people who are not residents of the U.S. because they don't have this national ID card.
		And this offers a means for the government to usher in greater people control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me try this one out on you.
		Over the weekend, 60 Minutes did a piece on England.
		Did you happen to catch that?
unidentified		No, I didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it's about the English, and they're fed up with the amount of immigration to England.
		And there is now a movement there, the BMP party, to actually throw out everybody who is not an English citizen.
		I mean, actually deport them, send them back home.
		Would you support a movement like that here?
unidentified		It fits and risks with anything, it's a double-edged sword with a national ID card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I already got that, sir.
		I'm asking you my question.
		Answer that.
		Would you support throwing anybody who is not a citizen out?
unidentified		I would support that in the sense that we are subsidizing a lot of people who are getting benefits that other people are bearing the burden of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		The only way to accomplish that then, coming back to your topic, is deciding who is and who is not a citizen.
		You'd have to do that with an ID.
unidentified		That's true, but the problem that I see with that art is basically this would be the equivalent of taking on, in biblical terms, the mark of the beast.
unidentified		And there's a lot of people, Christians and American Patriots, who may not want to go along with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, which is it the Christians and the Patriots want most?
		Do they want America for Americans, as the British say, British or England for the English?
		Or do they fear the ID card more?
unidentified		I think that they fear the ID card more.
		I know that's the way that I feel personally.
		I would opt for the freedom rather than the people control in terms of the new world order.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's clear.
		Let's see what others have to say.
		Thank you.
		What about it, everybody?
		Would you support a movement that would toss out everybody who is not a citizen?
		Is that a good idea?
		Is that what's going to begin happening worldwide?
		Would you accept an ID card so we could decide who is and who is not a citizen?
		Or would that be it?
		The mark of the beast.
		Every card issued.
unidentified		666.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'll take mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you in Phoenix?
unidentified		No, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is KDI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
		Well, thank you for the call, but we're only taking calls from KFYI Phoenix on the toll-free line.
		Sir, thank you for calling.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		No, you're not.
		Now you are.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Leonard in South Dakota.
unidentified		Right.
george grayson ▲ ● ▼		Your question about a peaceful march on Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't my question, Leonard.
unidentified		Well, somebody's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about it?
george grayson ▲ ● ▼		I've been begging you and Rick Noby and Roger Fredenberg to get this book called The Illuminati and read what it says about this very issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
george grayson ▲ ● ▼		And what happened was the Christians all decided to have a peaceful march on Washington.
george grayson ▲ ● ▼		And so the Illuminati supplied about half a dozen armed men in each group that was in the march, the peaceful marches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What march was this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was this, Leonard?
unidentified		Well, this is in the Illuminati's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, when was the march, Leonard?
unidentified		In order to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When was the march, Leonard?
unidentified		When was the march?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		In this book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was only in the book.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		All right.
		Well, I'm not so much interested in theoretical marches, Leonard, as I am in real ones.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, KFYI.
unidentified		You know, the thing on 60 Minutes, it wasn't just expelling people who were not citizens from Britain.
unidentified		They want everybody who isn't English, whether they're citizens or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, that's about right.
unidentified		Yeah, they could be citizens, but if they were India or Pakistani or whatever, they wanted them out.
		Out.
		Out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		I don't think we could do that here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think we could either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if we could, would you be in favor of it?
unidentified		No, I wouldn't be in favor of that, but everybody who is not a legitimate citizen, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be millions of people.
unidentified		Well, not people who are on visa, but I'm talking about illegal aliens, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that would be, let me repeat myself, millions of people.
unidentified		Well, we've got to start somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I agree.
unidentified		It should be made.
		It could never be.
		It would never be all accomplished, but I think the effort should start to be made.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, do you think that obviously the effort could only be begun through identification?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is the first step, and that would require, as the last caller said, or the caller before, as the mark of the beast.
unidentified		I know.
		Gosh, you know what?
		I'm ambivalent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe just like hotels don't have floor 13, they could issue these cards and use no sixes, you know, to relieve everybody's worry.
unidentified		I don't think the sixes have much to do with it.
		You know, not just from a biblical perspective, but from all the other corrupt things that could be done with that card.
		I'm kind of against that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you expel people that you don't?
unidentified		I don't know, Art.
		That's why I said I'm ambivalent.
		I don't know.
		It's kind of a conundrum, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Not kind of.
		I think that I would support some kind of idea.
		I'm not afraid of that.
unidentified		Well, yeah, I would like to hear more about it because something has to be done about the border.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I have a social security card.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't burn a hole through my pocket.
unidentified		True, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've managed to live with it.
		I've got a driver's license.
		That doesn't burn a hole through my pocket.
unidentified		Well, you know, I'll have to reconsider that.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Phoenix, again, on one of the wildcard lines.
		Yes, we are holding open the toll-free line, so there are no mistakes.
		Listen carefully to me.
		We're holding the toll-free line open for people at KFYI.
		KFYI, Phoenix.
		At 1-800-618-8255.
		I don't think I'd mind a card.
		I could live with a card.
		I don't think it would be the end of the world if I were identified in some manner as a citizen of the United States.
		And why can't they make it legal to ask?
		What complete idiot passed a law saying you can't even ask somebody whether they are a citizen?
		Even the police in California, if you're stopped for some reason, cannot ask you if you're a citizen.
		It's illegal.
		That's lunacy.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good grief.
		Hillary as president.
		My God, man, you know how to give a woman a nightmare this time of night.
		Listen, what time do you go off the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		Where are you?
		Phoenix.
		We go off the air at 4.
unidentified		I don't know that for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think 4 o'clock.
unidentified		Yeah, five hours.
		Hey, that's good.
		The beer baron did something good for once.
		We lost two really okay talk show hosts just because, well, this is my own hit.
		I don't believe in coincidence.
		We lost two really good talk show hosts supporting Linda Thompson and what she's doing.
		I would like to see everyone call Linda Thompson and tell her, I stand behind you if you'll give up the gun party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to these talk show hosts?
unidentified		Well, they're off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they are?
unidentified		Yeah.
		You've got a really tough line to follow with one guy we lost from 7 to 11.
		But he supported Linda Thompson, and so does another real late-night one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they were supporting an armed march on Washington to capture congressmen and hang them?
unidentified		Well, I don't believe that they believed that she was really serious about the lamp posts and whatnot.
		But onward and upward, I'd really like to see people support her on this march without the guns.
		I've never agreed what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't support anything until that aspect of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm telling you, ma'am, that's dangerous stuff, and I wouldn't be part of that.
unidentified		I know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I told Linda, and from the moment she said it, and I still say it.
		It's damn dangerous, and I'm not for it.
		And you can, look, there's lots of ways to lose a country, and that's a really good one right there.
unidentified		Well, I called.
		I couldn't get a hold of her, but I left a message that I would stand behind her 100% if she would get off of the gun business, because there'll be every wacko in the country over there.
		Now, Jack and Jackie and the overkill on Jackie.
		You know, those two represented the Cinderella and the Prince charming myth back in those days.
		They were the I.E. Kennon Barbie and the dating game couple type of thing.
		You know, they had the youth, the wealth, and the beauty.
		Whereas with the Nixons, they were, what, late middle-aged.
		They were married.
		They were business as usual.
		They were kind of mundane, and they were old-fashioned and low-key.
		And the media has always blown out of proportion, youth, wealth, and beauty.
		And I think she always just held a kind of a, oh, wannabe with the women of America.
		And I think that's why she was overplayed.
		And besides, they were liberal.
		And don't forget in the 60s, that was a big movement in this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jack Kennedy actually was not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you really look back at what he did, that liberal by today's standards, he's darn near a company.
unidentified		Moderate sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Moderate at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Right, yeah.
unidentified		But in those days, if you took a look at the Nixons, the Kennedys were liberal in comparison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, there are opposite situations.
		President Nixon left office before he was impeached.
		Jack Kennedy was martyred.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are big differences.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Big, big differences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even given that, I am surprised and continue to be surprised at the level of grief everywhere over Jacqueline Kennedy.
		It is nothing short of, it was nothing short of a full state funeral, one that you would have for a President of the United States.
		I mean, there's no question about it.
		A lot of the networks, CNN, has been damn near in full-time coverage.
		It has been an amazing spectacle.
		Toll-Free Line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Is this Art Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes.
unidentified		Hi, I'm a first-time caller ever to any talk show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		San Diego, K-O-G-O.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Okay, I want to make a comment about Linda Thompson's approach versus a peaceful demonstration in Washington.
		I don't know very much about Linda Thompson, and I missed your show, but somebody mailed me her Declaration of Independence.
		And when I read it, I got to agree with her.
		I think it's going to take this kind of step.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with her complaints, and I think most of us do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is only the solution that we have disagreements about.
unidentified		Well, I think a peaceful demonstration would be a waste of precious money, time, and energy, because the powers that be in Washington don't give a rat's ass about what we feel or think.
unidentified		And I think that it would be a real eye-opener if she did it even armed, because I'm finding that the majority of Americans don't even care what's going on in this country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, ma'am, it would be a disaster.
		If she goes to Washington with guns, hunts down congressmen who have not complied with her demands, whatever they are, and then hangs them, there will be a slaughter, ma'am.
		A lot of people will be killed.
		A lot of good citizens and people who call themselves and in fact are patriots are going to be killed.
unidentified		See, but I didn't think she'd go that far.
unidentified		She didn't really go with the insignia units.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you not think, ma'am, why do you not think that?
		She has said clearly what she wants to do.
		Clearly, it's not ambiguous.
		It's clear.
I Sympathize With Your Dilemma 00:06:00
unidentified		Yeah, I know, but I don't think that it would go that far.
		I don't think that the government would let it go that far.
		I think them being in an insignia uniform with a gun would be a real eye-opener, and I think precautions against them would be taken way before they had the chance to move into, let's say, any Hall of Congress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm telling you, if I were in the government, president or anybody else, and somebody, a big group came armed with guns, claiming they were going to hang congressmen, I'd damn well send force out and stop them.
unidentified		All I'm saying, Art, is I don't think anything less than that is going to change our government.
		I think we absolutely have to have a revolution in this country or nothing's going to change.
		They blatantly just tell you what they're going to do, and you have no recourse.
		Here in California, we wake up one morning, the legislatures give themselves gigantic pay raises.
		They don't care about the outcry.
		Today, Rockefeller on TV says, you're all going to get health care whether you want it or not.
		I know.
		That's their attitude.
		And when you have an attitude like that, other than sitting at home and getting high blood pressure to nosebleeds, you almost have to take action.
		And if it's going to have to come to this, Art, if you knew me, I'm not even the type of person that would even believe in this.
		My husband would die if I'm sitting here talking to you on the phone right now.
		But in my heart, I know that it's going to take something this drastic to wake up America and to actually get the media focused on some of the issues that they just refuse to report.
		And I think it's not going to take anything less than what Linda Thompson wants to do.
		Anything else, other groups have done it.
		During the 60s, we had the war protests.
		Thousands, hundreds of thousands of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, we had civil disobedience.
		We weren't lynching Congress people.
		I've got to run.
		I'm at the bottom of the air.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		And you sound like a very nice lady, but you're wrong.
		I'm sorry, you're wrong.
		We could lose it all.
		Be careful what you wish for.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 23rd of May, 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For the next 30 minutes, we continue to hold that toll-free line open for Phoenix only.
		Repeat, Phoenix only, 1-800-618-8255, celebrating KFYI picking up the.
		Actually, they're carrying the entire show.
		All right, here's a fax I just received.
		Should be of some interest.
		It's kind of crazy.
		This is what I call a full moon fax.
		Art, I have answers for you.
		We all know you have an inquiring mind with a load of unanswered questions.
		I sympathize with your dilemma.
		Unanswered questions are a hobby of mine.
		Try this on for all your answers.
		The USA is the last superpower left on Earth.
		When the comet hits Jupiter, we will have all of our space observation hardware looking at Jupiter.
		It is a complicated plot to divert all our resources to monitor one direction: Jupiter.
		Jupiter is our biggest planet.
		Why not our biggest diversion?
		They are coming.
		It is a plot by the infamous they, the invaders from the planet Moron.
		Advance units have been here since the late 40s.
		Their mission is to confuse us.
		If you look back at history, there is always one nagging question: What the hell was that all about?
		The Roswell crash, the Etzel, Hula Hoop, closing Studebaker, the magic bullet, the nuclear family, the partridge family, canceling Star Trek, the gas shortage, body counts on the evening news, disco, bell bottoms, the next ice age, Billy Beer, Afghanistan, Grenada, 1984, the cosmic convergence, new age movement, crop circles, global warming, cold fusion, political correctness, ozone depletion, and less frogs.
		But the answer is less frogs, you see.
unidentified		Frogs, the natural enemy of they.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They, you see, thought they licked those frogs back when they wiped out the dinosaurs.
		Even though they tried, the frogs could not prevent the experiments with the USS Eldridge and the atomic bomb detonations from calling the attention of our galaxy to our small planet.
		The frogs have found an abundant source of baby formula here in the United States of America.
		If the frogs can use cold fusion to combine ozone with the iron-fortified baby formula, it would be the end of they through a cosmic upheaval within the Venusian lattice structure of the cosmos.
		They cannot let that happen.
		You see, so that's what I get when I open my facts line: frogs, less frogs.
		And I read that so that you might feel fully informed with regard to the fact that it is a full moon.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		I wish I didn't even be on with you right now because I'm normally a day shift worker, but I'm homesick with a chicken pox so I could stay up late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the chicken pox.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a bummer when you're an adult.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		But something it's given me some time to sit down and do some writing.
Taking a Stand 00:15:19
unidentified		Where are you, Bob?
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoenix, all right.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		All right, I sent you a letter a couple days ago.
		Enclosed in that letter was a pamphlet and a resolution known as the Refounding Amendment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Have you seen that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
unidentified		Okay, keep your eyes open for it.
		Linda Thompson has, she's played a Trump card, obviously.
		People like you and me and thousands upon thousands of others, Americans, are sick and tired and set up, but they don't know what to do, and they get so distracted swatting the bills, H.R. 6 and Global 2000 and the Brady Bill, that they don't realize the whole root of the tree is rotten, and we need to cut the tree down and start with a new tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
unidentified		I think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, we don't, sir.
		No, no, sir.
		The tree is our Constitution.
unidentified		I agree.
		Okay.
		I'm talking about the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm telling you, the tree, sir, is our Constitution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the minute you chop that down, it's all gone.
unidentified		Okay, I'll give you that.
		I think we're saying the same thing.
		We're just using different analogies here.
		Different, anyhow.
		The refounding amendment is about that.
		The refounding amendment is about getting back to the Constitution.
		Through what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		Sure, sir.
		Through what means?
unidentified		Through the means of getting you get 38 states to pass a resolution.
unidentified		25 states have initiative measures whereby they can pass by getting things onto the ballot just by signatures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They can get the resolution enacted for that state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, sir, are you talking about the ultimatum resolution?
unidentified		No, sir.
		It's very similar to that.
		It's very similar, but I think it plugs a few holes that the ultimatum resolution has in it.
		It provides for a constitutional method by passing an amendment, essentially, amending the Constitution, which part of that would be to eliminate every amendment after the Tenth Amendment while still providing for the good provisions that were provided by many of those amendments.
		For example, it says in the refounding amendment that there shall never be slavery, things of that nature, but it still gets rid of a lot of the underhanded things that have been passed in the name of these more recent amendments to the Constitution.
		And it would essentially dissolve the federal government, but it would provide a method for reinstituting the federal government immediately, and it would eliminate all of the extenuous extraneous agencies such as the FEMA and the EPA and the BATF and the IRS and et cetera, et cetera.
		I think if you sit down and read it, when you'll get it, you'll see it.
		It's a blueprint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I'd be glad to read it.
unidentified		I hope you do, and I hope that you get the word out because what Linda Thompson has done is she's provided a lot of people with ears open looking for a solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it's a bad solution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's either stupid or dangerous, or both.
unidentified		Thank you very much for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's my feeling on it.
		If Linda Thompson were here, I'd tell her myself, and I did when she was here.
		Stupid or dangerous.
		I'm not sure which both may be.
		If it's carried through, it's dangerous.
		Announcing it ahead of time is stupid.
		Except that it has promoted a very large controversy, of course.
		Postal workers, let me see.
		Postal Service, IRS developing national identity cards.
		Clint may give okay.
		The Clinton administration is working on, this is a fact sign just got on creating an identification card that every American will need to interact with any federal government agency.
		The card initiative came into the forefront at last month's Card Tech Secure Tech Conference in Crystal City, Virginia, as federal agencies, including the U.S. Postal Service and the Internal Revenue Service, began detailing their various proposals.
		At the gathering where security experts convened to discuss business and government applications for a smart card and PCM-CIA memory card technologies, the Postal Service presented a proposal for a general-purpose U.S. services smart card, which individuals and companies would use to authenticate their identities when sending and receiving email, transferring funds, and interacting with various government agencies.
		Now, there it is, the mark of the beastie, everybody.
		So the Postal Service is considering acting as a distribution point or agency for this Hotsy-Totsy new card they're talking about.
		Good idea or bad idea?
		Will you take yours humbly, or will you loudly proclaim, I live free or die, and tell them what to do with their card.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, I would like to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you calling from, sir?
unidentified		This is Eddie in Willand Hills, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Eddie, thanks for the call, but we're holding that line open for Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On our first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		No, you're not.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		It's Denise in Wichita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Denise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's everything in Kansas this morning?
unidentified		Hi.
		Well, fine, except I've gotten information that the knock and talk, the warrantless searches have started in Wichita.
		Oh?
		I don't quite know how to read that, except that I think it's kind of unconstitutional.
		But Art, I wanted to talk to you about Linda Thompson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it isn't.
		I mean, they can knock and talk.
		That is not illegal.
		I can come to your door.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you say, and you open your door, and I start talking to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is legal.
unidentified		That is legal, but to come on in and to search without a warrant, I believe that that's illegal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly would be if you said no.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you say yes, well, then I guess it would be legal.
unidentified		Well, anybody that says yes is a fool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's another subject.
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
		Okay, I've heard people talking about Linda Thompson in the March in September, and I have a document in front of me.
		And in fact, I faxed it to you a little bit ago.
		And this is from the Committee of 1776.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have it, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		And they're calling for a demonstration on July 2nd at each state capitol.
		And this is being organized state by state.
		And I did talk to Linda Thompson about this.
		And she said that if this was successful, i.e. getting the message across to our government, that her march in September would not really have a purpose to serve their president.
		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So she's beginning to hedge a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm thankful if that is true.
unidentified		Well, all I know is what I told you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you speak with her?
unidentified		On Computer Bulletin Board about a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll just, you know, we'll mark time and see what she does.
unidentified		Yeah, we will.
		But, you know, I mean, at what point are we going to decide that this is wise action?
		I mean, at some point, we have to take a stand.
		And our founding fathers have given us the legacy, and they called it a duty that we do uphold the Constitution and that we do overcome tyranny.
		And I think it's interesting, Art.
		Have you noticed it seems to be women that are more behind Linda than men?
		I don't know what that means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting observation, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I have noticed that.
		And I don't know.
		I mean, the New World Order is in our front yard.
		And at what point do we say, okay, it's time to take up arms?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		But I know this.
		If I were the president or I were the FBI or I was in control in any way in Washington and I knew a bunch of people were coming with guns to begin hanging congresspeople, I would stop them with force.
unidentified		Probably so.
		I'm sure that they will try.
		In fact, I've heard that there's 150 National Guards that are training just for September, so it will be interesting if it happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
unidentified		Interesting.
		Yes.
		Well, God bless you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, watch out for the knock on the door.
unidentified		See you.
		I'm telling them they can't come in.
		I have diarrhea or any excuse.
		I don't care what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Goodbye.
		Knock and talk.
		Knock and talk.
		They knock on the door, and the talk is: would you mind if we come in and search for this or that?
		Oh, you'd mind?
		Really?
		Would you mind?
		Why would you mind?
		What do you have in there that you don't want us to see?
		Now, knock and talk is not technically, as far as I can see, unconstitutional.
		It's just kind of uncivilized.
		but we live in a very uncivilized time don't we on the toll-free line you're on the air Good morning.
		Where are you calling from, please?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		This is Bob.
		I'm from Phoenix, Arizona, and welcome to KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be there.
unidentified		Hey, I was just listening in, and I don't know about this revolution in the fall coming up in September.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, technically, she has not called for a revolution.
		I don't know exactly what it is she's called for.
		She's called for an armed militia to go to Washington and round up congressmen who have not somehow complied with her demands and then put them on trial.
		That's what she's been talking about.
unidentified		Oh, I see, I see.
		Yeah.
		They're going about it the wrong way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
unidentified		To voice your opinion.
unidentified		That's why we have the right to vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why we have the Constitution, yeah.
unidentified		And that's the reason stipulated in the Constitution.
		And she needs to start her own political party.
		If she really wants to change things here in the United States, she needs to start her own.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a move.
unidentified		Yeah, most definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, that could have been done by Ross Perot, and I think he missed the vote.
		I don't know why he didn't start another political party.
		He should have.
unidentified		Yeah, he had it running real good.
unidentified		It was off the ground and running.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What he proved was that it could be done with the right leadership and the right ideas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be done, but he didn't do it.
unidentified		He didn't follow through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a shame.
		There are a lot of things here in the United States we do have to work on and change.
		But just going down to the House and start hanging people, that's just not the way to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to hear you say it.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		That's Phoenix yet again.
		Good to be on the air there.
		Yeah, there's lots of ways to lose a country.
		And most revolutions go all wrong.
		They go all wrong.
		And about the best you could hope for at the other end of a revolution would be some sort of benign dictatorship, some sort of paternalistic dictatorship.
		It really is the topic that, again, we talked about with my guest Friday night, Saturday morning.
		That was a very good program with the time correspondent.
		I thought he was very, very good.
		What was it, when the almond tree blossoms, I think is the name of his book.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Marie and Mary Phil.
		Hello, Marie.
		I call all the time, but I was just wondering why everybody still thinks that we're through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That we're through?
unidentified		That Perot is through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I think he just missed a lot of opportunities, Marie.
unidentified		Well, I'm saying the people behind him, we're still out here, and we're still active.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't hear much about it anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's going on?
unidentified		Well, to be a third party, you wouldn't believe the hassle it is.
		And right now, we're just politically active, and we're still working.
		United We Stand is still here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just been very quiet lately.
unidentified		Well, we're just, you know, we get the elected officials together to talk to us, and we have a real debate with them.
		Anybody can ask a question that comes to the meetings when the candidates are there, and it's not that rehearsed that Clinton has.
		And I'd like to hear more from the other people about this going to the state capitals.
		I think that's a good idea.
		You could get more active in that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it is a good idea, too.
unidentified		Well, if they could give some more ideas on the air, I'd sure like to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Marie, we'll solicit that.
		People are looking for something to do, that's for sure, and that is one option coming up July 2nd.
		A good peaceful demonstration.
		Why is everybody so ready to give up on the power of the people?
		I kind of wonder about that.
		You're so ready to take such an extreme step, so many of you.
		Giving up on the greatest country on the face of the earth with the greatest Constitution.
		Bent and bruised as it may be at the moment, it remains the very best.
		And why would you so easily, so soon, risk losing it all?
		I don't compute that.
		On our toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Phoenix, technically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Technically, what does that mean?
unidentified		I mean, I've got a mountain in the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all right.
unidentified		I don't hear you on KFYI, as a matter of fact.
unidentified		They change your antenna at night about 6.30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, actually?
unidentified		I'm in Black Canyon City.
unidentified		It's right up the road from them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, you're just in exactly the wrong place.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		I'd like to talk to you about Linda Thompson.
		All right.
		Do you know anything illegal she's proposing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		What's that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to Washington and hunting congressmen, putting them on trowel and hanging them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you call that?
unidentified		I would call that constitutional law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, and what constitutionally set-up justice system would that be, sir, that would produce this sentence and this execution?
unidentified		Well, you've got to put them on trial first and find them guilty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and what properly constituted authority would be doing that?
We Are About to Be Enslaved 00:01:41
unidentified		Under the Constitution, we'd be doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, which branch of government would Linda's court fall under?
unidentified		Well, I would think if the military doesn't back her, she doesn't stand a chance.
unidentified		But if she dresses, if she files her grievances with the military, which would probably be the National Guard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would think they would be the people opposing her.
unidentified		Well, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I would think it would be proper that they would.
unidentified		If they're supposed to uphold the Constitution and they underhandedly want to undermine the Constitution and take away our rights and enslave us, you know, the founding fathers gave us this clause in our...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How have you been enslaved?
unidentified		We are about to be enslaved, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean it hasn't happened yet?
unidentified		No, they're working on it all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're going to execute people for a deed that has not yet been committed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a new kind of justice, as far as I can tell.
unidentified		Well, Art, you were in the military.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, I was.
unidentified		And you know all about treason.
unidentified		You know, you had to give your oath to the Constitution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What treason are you referring to, sir?
unidentified		Do you know what a treasonous act is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, I'm asking you specifically what act you're referring to.
		Who's treason?
Edge of the Issue 00:14:29
unidentified		Oh, well, if I'm going to get into something here, and you're not going to like it.
unidentified		Everybody talks about the Illuminati, the one-world order, and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I'm not going to do is have time for it.
		I've got a newscast coming up, so I've got to cut you off.
		I'm going to allow you to call back later if you can get through again, all right?
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thanks for the call.
unidentified		Boy, boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is an extreme night, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Art Bell somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 23rd, 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Under the influence of great big full moon up there, believe me, under that influence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talking of many things this morning, still somehow talking about when the almond tree blossoms.
unidentified		Apparently in September.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we're talking about all kinds of other things.
		Here's another fact to prove the full moon theory, dear Art.
		The last fact was in error.
		Our planet is about to be destroyed by the Vulcans in order to make way for an intergalactic highway.
		The universe is controlled by fifth-dimensional beings whose appearance in this dimension is in the form of a white mouse.
		Scientists think they are controlling the experiments, but are they really being controlled by these white mice?
		Art, there's only one rule in the universe, and that is to bring your own towel.
		Remember the first two words of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.
		Don't panic.
		Sincerely, Mike.
		Sioux Falls, South Dakota, where the full moon obviously also reigns.
unidentified		Lots and lots of faxes to deal with, and I'll do them as they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're talking about a national ID card.
		Art, my wife is a Mexican, Mexican national, legally in this country.
		My problem with the SOS program is my wife will be stopped all the time.
		Her papers.
		Papers, please.
		She will have to wear a badge to say she's okay.
		My son is bilingual and prefers to speak Spanish.
		He'll be stopped also for his papers.
		He is an American.
		Sorry about the spelling.
		It's not my big suit.
		No problem.
		That's Larry in Baldwin Park, California.
unidentified		So, what do you guys think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		U.S. Postal Service issuing an ID card for all Americans, good idea or foul.
		It appears to be underway.
		On lots of other topics on the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Yes, sir.
		I got through to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoenix, KFYI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, good morning.
		I've been listening to you for years.
		I think this is a good move.
		Got you on longer.
		I think it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm glad.
unidentified		Oh, I'm ashamed to say my name is Charlie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, don't be ashamed of your name.
		Don't let him ruin.
		The liberals do that to words.
		They ruin entire words, and now they're ruining me.
unidentified		The one thing I'm not ashamed of is I don't agree with anything it stands for.
		I have a friend who's actually going to take vacation to go with Linda Thompson.
		That scares me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the whole thing scares me.
unidentified		Well, me too.
unidentified		But I'm just glad you're there, and I will continue listening to you, and I appreciate you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to know you're there.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people in Phoenix, obviously, have discovered the fact that we are here.
		Hello there on the wildcard line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Artville?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Hi, what time is it there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What time is it here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 10 after 1 in the morning on the West Coast.
unidentified		Okay, I'm listening to you on like three different channels, and it's delayed.
unidentified		I'm really surprised I got in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Santa Barbara listening to you out of KQSB and also Cogo out of San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, very good.
unidentified		A couple others.
		But anyway, Linda Thompson.
		Geez, that's really spooky.
		If she wants to tear the whole thing down, our forefathers gave us a means with the continental, with the constant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what it means?
		It means the great experiment is over and it's a failure.
		That's what it means.
		If we can't change things peaceably, if we've got to pick up a gun, then it has all failed and America is a failure.
unidentified		But isn't the Continental Congress, isn't that our right to call a Continental Congress and do it peacefully?
		But it's the same thing.
		We're tearing it all down and starting over.
		Who are we going to put in charge of starting over?
		No way.
		It's spooky.
		Let's just leave it the way it is or change it somehow, but not take up arms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You want Linda Thompson in charge?
unidentified		No, I don't want Linda Thompson in charge.
		She's too radical.
		We've got to sit down and try to deal with our problems with a calm mind, a calm, sensible mind instead of jumping in with arms.
		It's ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's my view.
unidentified		Well, thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		Have a good morning.
		KQSB, that is, in Santa Barbara and apparently others.
		We're also talking about Haiti.
		We're getting ready, I suppose, to invade Haiti.
		It'll happen one morning.
		MFN for China, the big question, the big problem for the president.
		The tobacco companies on secondhand smoke, that's an important issue.
		You know what they're saying?
		They're saying the whole secondhand smoke thing is a bunch of crapola.
		And I tend to believe that it is, too.
		They say that if you smoke and your spouse lives with you, she gets the equivalent of one to one and a half cigarettes per month.
		And to put that in perspective, as I said in my open, if you live in L.A., you get one to two packs per day just breathing the air there.
		Of course, secondhand smoke is the only way they can leverage laws into place against smoking.
		Dan Rostenkowski, about to be indicted in all likelihood.
		Whether he'll get a break, something like a pardon.
		You know, I had a lot of people calling last week saying, oh, he ought to be pardoned.
		For the sake of the country and health care, he ought to be pardoned, no matter what he's done.
		Hillary Clinton, a big balloon going up over the weekend.
		Hillary Clinton talking about running to succeed her husband and my only question is, could you stand it?
		Health care, a big debate ensuing and getting underway on Capitol Hill and they're finally getting down to the, the real nitty-gritty in the details of health care, and it's simple, can we afford it?
		Can we afford it?
		And the Democrats don't talk about the cost.
		They talk about mandates and lots of other things.
		Mandates really mean taxes, but they don't say that.
		Mandates sounds better, but it still comes out of your pocketbook or that of your employer and ultimately, of America's job pool.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air, good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, this is Tony from Sacramento.
		Hi Tony, I'm a law student and, as a law student, I wanted to respond to Linda.
		And yeah, I think that you're absolutely right.
		I mean, there's nothing in our Constitution which gives citizens the right to to raise up arms against the government, nothing I'm I'm aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly right, and as certainly nothing that gives or invests in her, no matter what document she prints up, the right to put people on trial and execute them.
unidentified		The last time I read it, the right to interpret the Constitution is ultimately in the Supreme Court.
		Now I guess the argument could be.
		Well, you know, the Supreme Court is appointed by the president with the advice and consent of the Senate, etc.
		And that therefore, if there's something wrong with with those branches of government, that we can't depend on them.
		But that's not the case here.
		I mean, unless the mechanisms of democracy break down.
		That would be the only time so far as, as far as I've looked, as far as I know, as far as the last time I looked, I could vote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the mechanisms of democracy are arguably strained at the moment, but they have not broken down.
		They still exist.
		And I think we have a lot of people who don't like the outcome.
		I'm one of them.
		I don't like this president, I don't like his administration, I'm not afraid to say so, but and I didn't vote for him, but I am not prepared to take to arms to change that.
		I I'm willing to go back to the ballot and change it there and you have the freedom to to dissent in a peaceable manner.
unidentified		You can say this to an audience that's, that's probably in the thousands all over the country.
		You can say this and no one is stopping you.
		I mean, I think that we have to remember that the tyranny would be if they came and shut you down and said, well, you no longer have the the right to speak out against the government, at least in a peaceable manner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be.
		That would be certainly one measure.
		Another would be if they actually truly came to confiscate what arms you have in violation of your second amendment without a warrant for your arrest or without, without due process of law.
		Yes right, precisely.
		They get up to the edge of it with the knock and talk.
		But again, it's not strictly unconstitutional.
		They're up to the edge on everything.
		If they, if they, walk over, it's a different story.
		Yes, thank you.
		Thank you, I mean it's, it's really there for me.
		If you examine our various freedoms, they are perhaps being infringed or it's close.
		No matter which one you want to talk about, they're all being challenged.
		But that's what we do in America, we ride the edge, we challenge.
		I don't think that it has gone over the edge yet.
		When it does, then you have a different argument.
		But the whole idea is to try and utilize the constitutional framework.
		We have now to change what we don't like.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Smoking, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		In Orchid, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Orchid, California, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, get right into your telephone for us.
unidentified		It seems like I can't even walk down the street without.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, I'm just not hearing you well enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to get into your phone a little bit there.
unidentified		Yeah, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		It seems like I can't even walk down the street without someone coming up when I'm smoking and walking by me and making a comment or coughing and then making a comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really hate that.
unidentified		Are you a smoker?
unidentified		Yeah, do you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Yeah.
		It's just getting really irritating.
		And I'd like to have someone look into who's funding all these tests, saying that secondhand smoke is so harmful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the EPA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's our government.
unidentified		Well, do the big chemical companies have anything to do with it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think so, not that I know of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		It just seems like second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen on the air, please.
		Secondhand smoking, second-hand smoke, is a very important issue because only with second-hand smoke can they pass the kind of restrictive smoking legislation that they're now passing.
		Only with the issue of second-hand smoke.
		And this is what the tobacco companies wisely have decided to attack.
		Now, you may choose not to believe it, but the tobacco companies are releasing studies, Reynolds just did, showing that if you live with somebody who is a smoker, and you are not, you take in through secondhand smoke the equivalent of a cigarette or a cigarette and a half in a month, in one month.
		And I say again, to put it in perspective, imagine this.
		To live in Los Angeles every day and breathe the air is equivalent to a pack or two of cigarettes per day.
		So what are they doing with secondhand smoke?
		They're using it as a way to launch restrictive legislation against smoking, period.
		Because of his campaign promise to cut the budget, remember the budget deficit?
		Ronald Reagan formed the Grace Commission back in the early 1980s.
		The Commission's task was to uncover government waste at every level to report back to the President and Congress on how to cut spending.
		Well, they did that.
		The Grace Commission discovered that taxpayers' money was going for everything from $436 hammers to funding a study to find out the average length of airline stewardesses' noses.
		Why would they want to know the average length of an airline stewardess's nose?
Concerns About UN Troops 00:08:26
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're wasting money by not talking.
		We're waiting.
		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
		You are there.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, I thought this isn't the toll-free line.
unidentified		This is the wildcard line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you dialed it, sir.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, I was just looking at my map.
unidentified		Do you remember what happened in 1931?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why didn't you answer the phone when I came to you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You thought it was another line, I guess?
unidentified		Yeah, I thought it was your toll-free line, and I'm on the wildcard line, I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you are.
unidentified		Okay, that confused me.
unidentified		Sorry.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		KBI.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yeah, my phone's ho on my radio's off.
		At 31, we had the bonus march.
		Yes.
		Remember that?
		Yes.
		And they were unarmed citizens?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people got hurt.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would have happened if all those veterans had had guns and were intent on lynching congressmen?
unidentified		Well, I think then General Douglas MacArthur wouldn't have five stars, and Dwight D. Eisenhower wouldn't have five stars, and Patton wouldn't be in Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would have happened?
unidentified		Well, maybe the Congress would have listened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they would have listened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would have been a real slaughter then.
unidentified		Well, I don't know, because how can military people kill vets, their own vets?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that it would be very difficult.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And for that matter, if Linda Thompson goes marching off as to war with a bunch of women and maybe even children, it's also going to be very damn difficult, and it's going to be a tragedy.
unidentified		Well, I want to alert you to one other thing here.
unidentified		Here it says that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes.
unidentified		And institute a new government.
unidentified		And then it says here, but when a long train of abuses and usurpations pursuing invariably the same object as instance is designed to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such governments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't have absolute despotism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where'd you get that?
unidentified		Well, that's where we're.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, document that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the absolute despotism you're talking about?
unidentified		This is out of the Declaration of Engineering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, forget.
		You tell me.
		What is the absolute despotism you're talking about?
		No, don't laugh.
unidentified		Well, it's gun control.
unidentified		It's getting to that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What gun control?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's taken any guns away yet.
unidentified		Not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yet, yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's an important fact.
unidentified		It's the why word.
unidentified		Well, all I'm saying is that I'm concerned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm concerned, too, about somebody who would so prematurely call for something that would end what America is so quickly.
unidentified		Oh, I agree, but they think there should be demonstrations unarmed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well then say that out loud.
unidentified		Oh, I was getting to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		On the first time, call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Is this our bell?
		Yes, it is.
		Hi, this is Camille, and I'm calling from Bozeman, Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bozeman, Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Hi, thank you.
		I'm really concerned about that Linda Thompson thing also.
		Another thing I'm really concerned with are all of the UN troops that are coming into the different states.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've had you know, I have yet to see my first UN troop.
		I know they're here, and when I was in the Air Force, I used to train with them, but I have not seen this big influx.
		Where are they in Montana?
unidentified		Well, they've been seen.
		We had a couple of days ago, there was between Billings and Livingston seen, not by me personally, but by some friends of mine, 35 missile-loading cranes for loading vehicles with UN attached to them.
		We've got pictures of tanks that are sitting on the railroad on rail cars with UN marked on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they come through here all the time.
unidentified		The U.S. Army, usually, or these have got UN right on them.
unidentified		UN on them, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do you think these tanks are going?
unidentified		Well, we're not sure.
		They say that they're going up the road.
		In Cheyenne, there were six Egyptians dressed in military uniform in a gun store.
		And one of them spoke pretty good English.
		And again, this is just a report.
		And they were asked where they were going, and the one that spoke fairly good English said, Well, they were going up the road.
		This year, we had a report this evening that in Guernsey, Wyoming, the National Guard unit there was notified to clear out within 45 days to make way for UN troops that were coming in to take over the National Guard unit there.
		They've had Apache full-loaded military helicopters flying around Butte, Montana.
		And where they appeared to be black, they were asked if they were black, and they said, well, they weren't sure if they were black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More black helicopters, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, they were also seen flying over the rims in Billings, Montana, up whereby my good friend Red Beckman has had his home demolished.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I heard about that.
unidentified		Yeah, and so I think people need to be aware.
		I'm not sure I don't feel that I approve of what Linda Thompson's doing.
		I think she's asking for trouble up there.
		And I don't believe there's probably a unit in Montana that's going to be heading over there.
		I think we need to start thinking about a few things that's going on in the United States, this thing with Red Beckman.
		Your house could be next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think so.
unidentified		Well, probably not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A, I pay my taxes, and B, I don't thumb my nose at the federal government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to some degree, Red Beckman certainly did that.
unidentified		Well, everything he did is documented.
unidentified		And, you know, you really need to talk with him to know what's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have talked to Red Beckman.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But I think, you know, the U.N. troops and everything coming in, I think people need to start waking up a little bit and finding out what's really going on in their state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ma'am, the U.N. can't even control small outbreaks of small wars in third world nations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you think they could control this country?
unidentified		Well, I guess I'm thinking if you've got 3,000 UN troops in the United States, that they could probably do a lot.
unidentified		The assault weapons ban started it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, I've got to run.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm at the bottom of the arrow.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay out of black helicopters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		We take you back to the past on ART BELL,
		Somewhere In Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
		Good morning.
		I'm the Aaron Phoenix now, full-time on KFYI.
		Good to be there along with all the rest of you.
		Feel free to pick up a telephone and join us.
		Let me give you the telephone numbers quickly.
		Please write these down.
		I don't repeat them that frequently.
		Our first-time caller line for anybody who's never called is Area Code 702-727-1222.
		Please, by the way, dial carefully lest you wake people up in my small desert community.
Absolute Tyranny in Haiti 00:08:02
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Area code 702-727-1222.
		The wildcard direct dial lines, area code 702-727-1295.
		702-727-1295.
		And finally, toll-free.
		The number is 1-800-618-8255.
		1-800-618-8255.
		Those be the numbers.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art, KOH up here in Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The mighty KOH on 780.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
unidentified		You know, Clinton has got us in an absolute disaster in Haiti.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		He embargoed Haiti, totally destroyed their economy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, almost destroyed it.
unidentified		Well, it was pretty bad to begin with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		The more you embargo it, the worse it gets for the people.
		They can't defend themselves, so they leave the island or commit more crimes.
		As they commit more crime, the military cracks down even worse on them, and then it causes more people to leave the country.
unidentified		That's right.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		Now he's talking about embargoing the Dominican Republic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		I have never seen such a disaster in my life for the United States because they're exporting arms.
unidentified		They're not going to be able to open their resources or smuggle them out of the country.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		If this crap comes on this way, let me tell you, the French or the Belgium out of liaise will ship them all the arms they want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		Of course they will.
unidentified		And they can build anything they want in Brazil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, Clinton has got us in a jam.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		I think he hates to admit that he'd have to arm the people to get themselves out of their own jam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think he will do?
		I think that is the best idea.
		I heard somebody called the program the other morning and said, let us arm the Haitians.
		And I couldn't agree more.
		As an alternative to sending our own flesh and blood or whatever else we might try, let us arm the Haitians.
unidentified		Well, that was me.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		And the only point I forgot to make in that call was that we've destroyed their economy.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		Now he's talking about doing the same to the Dominican Republic, which is fairly well stabilized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Clinton won't arm anybody.
		Maybe he considers it a bad precedent.
		He won't even arm the Bosnians so they can protect themselves.
unidentified		We're going to regret that move later on, too.
unidentified		I know.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		We are.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		But no, I think if you arm the Haitians and then tell the military leaders they can't leave, it'll be good-even time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's the best plan at this point.
unidentified		I don't know how else you can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't even heard the Clinton administration whisper about arming the Haitians.
		And again, I think they consider it to be a bad precedent.
		They don't want to arm anybody.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		There's one third alternative, which they may do.
unidentified		They may do a dog and pony show where they say, well, we've run them out of town.
		All the military leaders are leaving.
		When in fact, what you've done is you've bribed them to leave the country and given some of the money under the table to go live someplace else.
		I've seen that happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then just some more people would take over, and we'd have to bribe them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There'd be no end to it.
unidentified		Well, like I said, I've never seen such a disaster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure the way this is going to end up, I can see easily the way it's going to end up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's going to have to invade Haiti.
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		Well, he probably will, and he'll probably get all the favorable press he can, and he probably won't handle it, right?
steve in salt lake city ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, it takes about 15 support personnel for each military guy in combat, and we've already stripped down a whole lot.
unidentified		We don't have a whole lot of backing to go anyplace anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we could easily do Haiti.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, we could do that.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		You know, it's going to be a disaster, though.
		And the Haitian military there will be sure that it is.
		The example we had at Port-au-Prince when our ship tried to dock and was turned back by a bunch of armed thugs on the dock is only a taste of what they would do if we actually tried to land there.
		We have the power, of course, to take Haiti.
		Diminished as we may be at the moment, that would be nothing.
		But I guess you don't say the blood of Americans, even though it'd be a few, would be nothing because it would be something.
		And it would be a disaster for this country.
		So the whole idea of possibly invading Haiti is lunacy.
		Absolute, unmitigated lunacy.
		And the embargo that's being slammed on Haiti, and possibly now the Dominican Republic is also lunacy.
		It is creating a condition that will force the invasion.
		People leaving Haiti a mass.
		And it's going to exacerbate the condition and force an invasion.
		What a mess.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
		Earlier, I think I was reading the Declaration of Independence about the absolute government.
		You said what absolute government?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't say what absolute government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he was reading some line that had to do with absolute tyranny or something.
unidentified		And then if you read the rest of the Declaration of Independence, they actually itemized the absolute tyranny.
		And it applies today even more.
		For instance, you're talking about Red Beckman.
		King George, or can you think of any other absolute tyranny where they can demolish your house without a trial by jury?
		Right here in the Declaration of Independence, it says that the king was depriving the citizens of trial by jury.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, let me put it to you this way.
		I pay my taxes.
		Do you pay taxes?
unidentified		What about trial by jury?
		That's one of Red Beckman's number one things.
		They made a big point of not giving him a trial by jury before they demolished his house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the IRS acts in ways that I don't find that I'm not comfortable with for.
unidentified		You said what?
		Absolute tyranny.
		That's exactly what Thomas Jefferson or Payne, whoever wrote the Declaration of Independence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this is somebody who didn't pay his taxes, sir.
unidentified		But this is a government that denies the people trial by jury.
		It's also a government that has erected a multitude of new offices and sent hither swarms of officers.
		It's also a government that keeps standing armies amongst us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, keep standing armies among us?
unidentified		I'm reading the Declaration of Independence.
unidentified		He, the king, has kept among us in times of peace standing armies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What king?
unidentified		King George.
unidentified		The Declaration of Independence was a literary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were talking about modern times.
unidentified		I'm saying that it applies the same way today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
unidentified		Just as the king has done this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that I, sir, I'm not sure that I consider it absolute tyranny if the government or the IRS finally moves against somebody who snubs their nose at them and doesn't pay taxes.
unidentified		Without trial by jury?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I pay taxes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you pay taxes?
unidentified		Without trial by jury?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you only demand that I answer your questions, or are you going to answer a couple of mine?
unidentified		Well, you haven't answered my first question, which is, does an absolute government give its citizens trial by jury or does it not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have a right to a trial by jury.
unidentified		And that's what the king didn't give the colonists, and that's why they abolished that government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now, I'll try again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you pay taxes?
unidentified		Do I?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the question.
unidentified		They steal taxes from me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, goodbye.
unidentified		They steal taxes from me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I'm not any happy.
		I pay taxes, and I bitch like hell every year.
		I don't like it either, but I pay my taxes.
		And there are people running around who say, oh, the 16th Amendment was never ratified.
		I'm not paying taxes.
		I don't have to pay taxes.
		Well, you drive on the roads.
		You utilize the highways and byways and all the services that are provided to you that those tax dollars, albeit with all the waste, provide.
Smokers' Rights Debate 00:03:44
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you share in all of that, and yet you don't want to pay your part.
		Well, I think I might have a complaint about that.
		I'm certainly not in favor of the methods the IRS uses.
		A lot of them are high-handed, in my view at times, bordering on the unconstitutional.
		But those are used for the most part, not always, but for the most part, against people who snub their nose and say, I'm not paying.
		Well, eventually they don't move quickly, but they move, and eventually they catch up with you.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		No, on this wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Hey.
		Hey.
unidentified		Hey, you know, uh, this is Missoula.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Missoula, Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, uh, I've been trying to get on the I I call it KGO in San Francisco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was trying to say about smoking.
		Now, I'm a Democrat, and I'll tell you what, I'm getting kind of tired of these people against smoking.
		What is the biggest problem of I thought the Democrats were supposed to stand up for the smokers' rights, but they're against the smokers, and it's kind of turning against me.
		And these firemen people are just incredible amount of money, campaign money, saying, oh, you can't grow this, and you can't grow that.
		And I'm about to go to Kentucky and say, hey, wait a minute, now all Democrats are against it, and I'll stand up for those Kentucky farmers if I have to.
		Because where the heck are they going to get the job?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about the Kentucky farmers that are growing marijuana?
unidentified		No.
		No?
		Tobacco.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's mostly in the Carolinas, and I guess some in Kentucky.
unidentified		Well, it was on Nightline.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they were talking about smoking?
unidentified		Well, no, they were showing, well, see, on Nightline, right?
		Yeah.
		It was showing Kentucky farmers.
		I don't know what part of Kentucky was showing.
		And they said they can't grow anything else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Other than tobacco, you mean?
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And, you know, these virus, these are the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Environmentalists?
		Is that what you're saying?
		Environmentalists?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, well, for a Democrat, I'm very liberal Democrat, but I am against I'm I'm not against smoking at all.
		I mean, what is the biggest, what is, what is these, what is that my own party is turning on on smokers?
		I stand up for the American smokers' rights because, I mean, if you I mean, if you look at more people smoke and smoke and smoke, you know, look at the Indians.
		They smoke.
		You know, it doesn't kill them.
		You know, I don't believe that secondhand smoke wash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so do I, sir.
		Thank you for the call.
		That's what I've been saying.
		The secondhand smoke issue is the big issue.
		And I've said right along, if they're able to make that one stick, then eventually they will be rid of smoking in America.
		It will be illegal.
		And they will do it on the backs of the on the back of the secondhand smoke issue without question.
		Not much they can say if it's just you.
		But if they can prove that you're making other people sick or try and prove it by telling the lie frequently enough that finally it is believed by most of the American people, then I guess we can move the tanks from Waco and then against the big tobacco companies, eh?
Why Not Dreamland? 00:05:41
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, this is Conrad and Eugene Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Conrad.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's KPNW.
unidentified		That's KPNW.
		That's right.
		Yeah, I missed out evidently.
		I was down in your 800 number and I got a recording.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do the wild thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's 702-727-1295.
unidentified		I'm going to have to make this kind of quick.
		But that was a joke.
		Anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that a joke?
unidentified		Not a very good one, evidently.
		But what I was going to ask you is what was the topic of your Dreamland show?
		Because they're not carrying it yet in our area, and I want to know if it's something I should have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think KPNW is carrying it.
unidentified		Are they really?
unidentified		Now, what time does that air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		7 to 10 o'clock on Sunday night.
unidentified		Okay, 7 to 10.
unidentified		Okay, see, I'm new to your show here, and I assume that it was during the same time period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, sir, it is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At 7 to 10 Sunday night Pacific Time.
unidentified		Okay, I wondered because they during the regular time spot they re-ran the bits and pieces.
		They had like three different shows of your earlier programs.
		Anyway, so what was the topic of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The topic was UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a writer from Omni magazine.
unidentified		Okay, well, gosh, I'll have to see if I can get a tape of that.
		Do you offer those?
		Sure.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you're welcome.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
unidentified		I was listening to your program tonight, and have you ever drove up next to someone and heard, I mean, sitting there in a car and they're talking to themselves?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have, and I've also seen people walking along the street talking wildly to themselves as well.
unidentified		Yeah, I saw that the other day, and I always wondered why they talked to themselves, and I figured it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
unidentified		Because there's no argument.
unidentified		And I do it sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I disagree with you.
		I think most of those people are getting an argument, and that's why they talk like that.
		Haven't you ever heard the way they do it?
		It's usually kind of shrill, as though they're arguing with some internal demon.
unidentified		Yeah, sometimes they are arguing, and they seem kind of mad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		That's true.
		But sometimes when they're talking, they just sit there, they're talking to themselves, and they're in a good mood.
		But I was thinking to myself, too, I was talking to myself earlier about you guys were talking about tanks and guns and Apache helicopters.
		Any man that has to use any of those is not a real man to meet.
		But it started way back in a long time ago when they started using swords.
		But anyways, I'll go ahead and let someone else get in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okie dokie, thank you.
		I think the moon presses hard.
		And on the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art Bill.
		Hello.
		My name's Greg Lear.
		I'm in Oregon here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Greg.
unidentified		Yeah, I got something to say about that thing you were saying about the government spending all that money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, it seems to me that they're spending it on some pretty stupid things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are.
unidentified		Like, is there any proof of the things that they're spending that money on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, why do we need to know the average length of an airline stewardess's nose?
		Well, if it was legs they were doing, that would be a different story.
		But noses.
unidentified		Anyway, I'm only 19 years old, and I've got some problems with getting money for going to college.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I think some of it has to do with just being a white man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that?
unidentified		Well, I tried to go to this college in Santa Fe, New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the guy told me that it's people like me who have screwed up everything for their Indian culture and stuff.
		What?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A guy told you that it's people like you that have screwed up everything for the Indian culture.
unidentified		Yeah, white man.
unidentified		White man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tell you, I'd pick another college quick if I was you.
unidentified		Well, and he told me we wouldn't want you going here anyway.
unidentified		But I called him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you certainly wouldn't want to go there, would you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell him to take his college and shut up.
unidentified		Stuff like that, and you know, I can't get along because I don't have a job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that's because you don't have a job, not because you're not a black man.
unidentified		Well, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's because you don't have a job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, banks hate people who don't have jobs.
unidentified		Well, that's another thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		thank you very much for the call here are the ocean times coming in heavier this morning Is there an unusual amount of pressure?
		Do you feel it building in you?
		Go out and look at the moon.
		Howl at the moon.
		It'll make you feel better.
		Go out and yell at the moon.
unidentified		Ooh, howl at the moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This big one up there this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's pressing on people.
Hey Bob, Back Good 00:04:07
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you feel it?
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hello.
		That's Mike in San Diego.
		Hello, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		K-O-G-O, San Diego.
unidentified		Yeah, I picked up a little of Dreamland last night.
unidentified		I have a Sanjin 803A.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I heard something about the Clementine being something gone wrong with it or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
unidentified		I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it apparently is true.
		Something has gone wrong with Clementine, and it may not be able to continue its mission, or we really don't know what the status is.
		I'm going to get Richard Hoagland on.
		We'll find out what the deal is.
unidentified		Yeah, I haven't heard a word on any of the news or anything about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That figures.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And can I ask you about an advertisement you had on Dreamland last night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		For your shirts?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Do you know what they look like generally?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're unbelievably beautiful.
		Those t-shirts have been created with a Tesla coil.
		It's absolutely amazing.
		They used a million-volt Tesla coil, and it is the artwork of I'm really glad you asked, Dave Archer, who's done Star Trek, The Next Generation, and the Star Trek movies, and now he's got these Dreamland t-shirts.
unidentified		Yeah, they sound great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they are.
unidentified		Is there a picture on the Art Bell Dreamland one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is, yes.
unidentified		Do you know what the picture is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a.
unidentified		Are they just space scenes?
unidentified		Yeah, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's space scenes, but I mean, they're utterly beautiful.
unidentified		Okay, thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't go wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you'll enjoy it.
unidentified		Oh, I'm definitely going to get me one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, take care.
		Yeah, those are really neat.
		I'm glad he asked.
		Might as well give the number, huh?
		We don't advertise those here.
		We advertise them on Dreamland, but they are available for a limited time only.
		And on the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Listen, two things I wanted to tell you real quick.
		The other day, on public radio, they had a deal on crime, all right?
		Yeah.
		And what it amounted to is the fact that the greatest deterrent of crime is to arm the citizens with handguns.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
		In a tunnel or something?
		Hey, Bob.
unidentified		Hey, Bob.
		Bob!
		Where are you?
		I'm on a cellular phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's really hard to hear you over all the noise, Bob.
unidentified		Okay, well, I'll call you back.
unidentified		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from the 23rd of May, 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The moon pressuring you, Pookie.
		Well, lunar pressure, is it?
		Well, that's what we're here for.
		We're a big escape valve in the night.
		Here's a fact, Mr. Bell, about the illegal immigrants.
		I believe we can all agree that if the influx of immigrants across the Mexican border continues, eventually the situation in Mexico will be transposed into the United States.
Call Your Representatives 00:15:16
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At this point, the immigration will stop since the streets in the U.S. will no longer be paved of gold.
		Americans are very generous people, but will be of no use to the immigrants after we destroy our own backyard.
		As for these fuzzy Wuzzies who approve of the illegal immigrant influx, I suggest they go to Mexico and solve the problem at its source.
		Art, I believe you're correct in preventing the influx of the border and also delete some of the stupid laws from our books.
		But what happened to the NAFTA agreement?
		Was it not sold to us as a solution to this problem?
		I believe it's time for Mickey Cantor and his crew to get off their duffs and file a complaint with Mexico, Joe, at KCMO in Kansas City.
		Okay, Joe.
		Well, I don't think if NAFTA is going to eventually equalize the situation, I don't think anybody represented that it would occur quickly or certainly right away.
		And it's going to take many years, if at all, ever.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		This is Jeremiah in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jeremiah, what's on your mind?
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd like to clarify something about you evolutionists, because you prove a point.
unidentified		Not always.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So here we go again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't you ever want to talk about anything else, Jeremiah?
unidentified		Well, actually, I'm not like Charlie.
unidentified		See, I'm not a jack of all trades and master of nothing.
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		So I don't feel free to talk on all subjects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, but any other one at all other than this one?
unidentified		Nope.
		Nope.
		Absolutely none.
		Although I like computers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is it tonight?
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		well uh... the people might have interpreted that i was growing charlie you know what you're doing Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, most people rather thought it was just a shouting match without much consequence, Jeremiah.
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		Well, because the person on the other end was totally, he had no basis for his belief.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jeremiah, both of you really had no apparent basis, and all you did was ask each other, challenge each other to explain this, explain that, and nobody explained anything.
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		I could explain things if I was given a chance to.
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		He would never give me a chance to explain anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he probably would say the same about you.
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyways, like when he said a billion years ago, and I said billion years, billion years, it was only because the little evolutionary hypotheses keeps changing so fast.
unidentified		I was trying to make sure I was keeping up with the good old one, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And another thing.
jeremiah in denver ▲ ● ▼		If you ever could have another debate, please find someone who isn't just driven by their own ideology like he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jeremiah, you had your chance.
unidentified		Well, please, could we have another one sometime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometime.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye.
		Sometime.
		You know, when the mood strikes.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good evening, Art.
		Good evening.
		It's on the Linda Thompson topic.
		Yeah, it would be a tragedy if it came to what you were mentioning, everyone up in arms.
		I think if it ever does come to that, it will be because everyone didn't do every single thing in their power legally and with the system to prevent that.
		You know, we still have representatives that we can call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		It's not the first thing you do.
		You see, it's the last thing you do.
unidentified		Exactly, yeah.
		And when all the letters to the editors have failed, when all the peaceful protests, there was a very large gathering in Florida that I was reading about, an American rifleman that was very successful.
		Again, very underreported in the mainstream press, obviously.
		But National Rifleman did report that they did get quite a sizable crowd.
		And so I think Linda Thompson is playing on a legitimate frustration that is being felt by a very large number of people.
		And I think we just need to reiterate the message over and over again that people need to call their representatives.
		And that, contrary to what the media is saying, the crime bill is not yet fact.
		We can still possibly urge a Republican filibuster.
		So call Dole's office.
		Call your Republican representatives.
		If they voted against the assault weapons ban, thank them very kindly and say, you know, thank you for voting against it.
		And here's one more thing you can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really think you're on the right track.
unidentified		And certainly, even if someone voted for the assault weapons ban, still be nice, but express your anger.
unidentified		It is possible to be angry and yet be civil at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're not, then they dismiss you as a nutcase, and that verifies their vote in their mind.
unidentified		Definitely.
		And it reinforces all the stereotypes of gun owners as these, you know, beer-bellied, bearded idiots.
		And that's all you ever see in the editorial cartoons anymore.
		It's all you ever see in the newspapers or on TV is the negative stereotypes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if Linda Thompson actually were to do what she said she was going to do, that act also would reinforce everything they're doing.
unidentified		Definitely.
		Yeah.
		Do everything in your power.
		Call the shows like this one facts.
		Write and follow up your letters with calls to your representatives.
		Do it, folks.
		Every single one of you.
		Join an organization that's like the NRA.
		Even if you don't think they're doing everything in their power, join another group that you do feel is doing more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm really, really ticked off at the NRA, but I am a member.
unidentified		Yeah, likewise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Portland, Oregon.
unidentified		Portland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Kate EX.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Really upset with the NRA.
		But I'm still a member, and I'm still a member because I still rationalize the same exact way I did before, and that is they are the only organization large enough with enough clout and money right now to get the job done.
		So I continue to try to work from within, even if they won't let me interview Wayne LaPierre.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		Max Libertarian from California, hearing you on KSRO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Max.
unidentified		Just like to respond to Leonard talking about the Illuminati.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Well, I'd like to speak for a responsible opposing viewpoint.
unidentified		I myself am a Discordian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Discordian?
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Okay.
		I support chaos and moderation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chaos in moderation?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is chaos in moderation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like my radio program.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		Controlled chaos and controlled entropy.
		I think those are two of the greatest tools you could ever have.
		And boy, do we need it these days.
		I mean, the Discordian's first law is imposition of order equals escalation of chaos.
		And boy, I seem to see it happening everywhere.
		The more the people in charge try to get a handle on things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it's the other way around.
unidentified		Imposition of chaos equals escalation of order?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the escalation of chaos equals the imposition of order.
unidentified		Well, boy, there sure seems to be a lot of order attempting to be implemented.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's plenty of chaos, too.
unidentified		Yeah, it's a- So it's a chicken and the egg thing.
		Yeah, that's sort of the watermelon seed theory.
		The harder they try to get a hold on things, the faster it squirts out.
		And just as a word to the Patriot movement out there who are going to be relying on guns for defense, well, Alan Toffler once said that power is a combination of three things.
		He probably wasn't the first to say it.
		It's wealth, knowledge, and violence.
		Of those three, information, knowledge is the most valuable.
		So, to all you folks out there, I say not only keep your powder dry, keep your notebook computer charged and your email scrambled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keep your email scrambled.
unidentified		That's a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		fight the clipper chip well i uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		let's just one of the next call on On the first time, call our line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
		Ago in once.
		A going twice.
unidentified		A going three times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a waste of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning from Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello there.
unidentified		I'd like to open with a song that I think I just heard a little bit ago on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		jeremiah was a bullfrog uh... uh... somebody just went up through the roof in denver I can imagine.
unidentified		On the topic of Linda and her fanatics, they sound like a bunch of disgruntled postal workers that I think will jeopardize my right to bear and keep arms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it could certainly affect it, couldn't it?
unidentified		You know, I think the government should step in before anything happens because it will happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is my view, too.
		But the question is, when should it be done?
		You know, if they go rushing in after her right now, then they have martyred her.
		And that's a consideration.
		I mean, it is a political consideration, isn't it?
unidentified		Well, I think they should at least go and take her guns away because she's proven herself mentally unstable, therefore should not have the right to have one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, take her guns away.
		No, that's not going to do any good.
		That's more martyrdom somehow or another.
		And I really don't know how they can handle it.
		It's an interesting perspective.
		If you were the government and you heard all this was being planned, what would you do?
unidentified		I would prepare for it, for one thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With what?
		Force?
		What else?
		Yes, of course, so, you know, and then you would not stop all of this before it...
unidentified		That's what I think I'd try to do, though, is nip it in the bud beforehand if possible.
		Either sitting down and talking with her and demand that she get on the air and call off her little march to Washington, at least an armed march, because it's just going to backfire.
		They're going to stomp her into the ground, and she's going to screw up the rights of everybody that owns it.
		Because Sarah Beatty is just probably drooling with the thought of this happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		So, they better think twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
		But if you put yourself in the position of the government, even this one, what would you do?
		I mean, if you go in and stop it or take some drastic action now, you martyr her.
		And then you've really got a situation.
		So, but and yet you've got to stop it before it really gets out of hand.
unidentified		So I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm really worried about this because I'm trying to sit and think of the way out.
		You know, I suppose now, in her way of thinking, if she were to change her mind or modify what she said, it'd be eating a lot of crow.
		People would charge, oh, what a sellout or something like that.
		So, her inclination probably would not be to do that or not be to modify all this.
		But to go through with it in my mind is unthinkable.
		You know, it's kind of like the atomic bomb.
		The best use of the bomb is to keep the peace.
		And we have the bomb, and they have the bomb, and nobody uses the bomb because everybody knows what that would mean.
		And so it is with most force.
		The most effective use of it is perhaps its implied threat, but not its actual use.
		That's catastrophic.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Democrat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, well, well.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		I certainly like Warren Christopher's idea on most favored nations with China.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that?
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		He wants to have a compromise and take a middle ground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would that be?
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		He wants to renew most favored nations, but he wants to put sanctions on a couple of Chinese products to send a message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, wait a minute.
		That isn't the message the president said he would send with his executive order, Doc.
		He laid out seven very specific requirements that China has not met.
		Now, does that mean the president is going to change his policy?
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		You're not completely right.
		There was two mandatory requirements.
		China met those.
		There was five others that they're making progress on, but they haven't come far enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's silliness, Doc.
		It's gone the other way.
		The repression is greater.
		The crackdown on the people is worse.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Well, they just released a bunch of the Teneman Square prisoners.
		And the thing of it is, there's a lot at stake here.
		It's not only trade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know the president's credibility, and no matter what he does, it's going to go down the drain.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Well, really, if he renews it or he don't renew it, he's going to get criticism from either side of the issue.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		So if you take a middle of the ground, in other words, if we put sanctions on chopsticks and Chinese checkers, it might send a message that, look, China, you've made progress, but you need to make more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what Bill Clinton's big trouble is, Doc?
		He can't keep his mouth shut.
		And every time he opens it, he gets himself in trouble.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Not really, because you see what you got here is North Korea.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Now, you know, Art, that North Korea just purchased 40 submarines from the Soviet Union that can be converted into nuclear power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, that, no, you missed it a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That can be converted, Doc, into dispensing missiles.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we've got to have China on our side to solve this problem.
		We don't want to have a war with China.
		So there's a lot at stake here.
		So Clinton's smart enough that he has to deal with China because if he doesn't renew most favored nations, they're not going to cooperate with North Korea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they may not, you mean they're not going to cooperate with us, and they may not cooperate with us even if we do renew it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What China does does not seem...
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Nobel for his efforts in the Middle East, number one, and I think he's doing an excellent job.
		He's kept us out of war.
		I think we will have a Haiti solution.
		They got us out of Somalia, even though there were mistakes made.
		He's working on Bosnia.
		So at the end of the day, in 96, I think Clinton's going to get high marks for foreign policy.
		But anyhow, I want to talk about Ted Kennedy.
		I think the passing of Jackie O is going to guarantee Ted Kennedy's re-election.
		He gave a wonderful eulogy the other day, or yesterday, and I think the people of Massachusetts are going to respect that, and they're going to be reminded of all the good things the Kennedy family has done through the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that isn't why they re-elect him.
unidentified		Why is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they re-elect him because he's a dynasty, and he's always re-elected.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		But listen, the political experts say that this is going to be the toughest race Ted Kennedy's ever had, and he's not a shoe-in.
		But that was before Jackie O passed away.
		And, you know, people like photo opportunities and symbolism, so I believe that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you like that, Doc.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think this is going to guarantee his election anyhow.
		And another thing, Clinton is up in the polls.
		He went from 48 to 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		And did you see the polls on Paula Jones?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what did they say?
57% Believe Clinton 00:05:20
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		57% believe Bill Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now, Doc, when did that come?
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Yesterday on the CNN Gallup poll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last time I saw Doc, more people than not did not believe the president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They also didn't believe Paula Jones.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		No, well, the latest poll came out yesterday.
		I'm a news junkie like you.
		And it said 57% believe Bill Clinton and 27% believe Paula Jones.
		Now, that 27% is your conservative base.
		So that makes a lot of sense that the conservatives would want to believe Paula Jones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Doc.
unidentified		Well, I don't know who I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it's going to be interesting to see how they handle this.
		The president plans to, I believe, claim some kind of immunity from this.
		And it is an interesting issue, that is to say, whether a president in office for whenever the deed was committed ought to be able to be sued or whether it should wait until after he leaves office.
		Toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Yeah, Miss Bell.
		Hi.
		I just, this is Ed from Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Ed.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd just like to say that Charlie and those other guys, I don't know what plans they came from, but they need to go back to it.
		I keep hearing all this thing about gun control and revolutions and overthrowing the government and stuff like that.
		I believe in a political system.
		I vote, I do that, but I don't see it doing us any good.
		I think this nation went wrong when it lost its moral fiber.
		And we did that when we put Bill Clinton in office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you think a revolution would bring back our moral fiber?
unidentified		Well, I don't call for that.
		I see it happening, and I've prepared for it.
		I think we should exhaust our political system, but I don't see it happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're going to bring back morality with some new law, some new dictatorship?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that going to bring back morality?
unidentified		No, all I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you get it back then?
unidentified		Well, you do what you can politically, and if that fails, then you just wait for the government, I guess, to make their play.
		And evidently, you know, Randy Weaver and Waco and that old man in California, when they busted in his door and blew his brains out, then you got kids shotgunning their parents, and they can't even come to a verdict on that.
		I mean, things are just kind of flipping upside down here, and people are seeing that, and the people with good sense kind of keep it to themselves and just play the political system and watch it go on.
		And then you got people like Charlie.
		That man ain't got good sense.
		You know, he talked about gun tutors.
		I own quite a few guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I've got to run.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour, and we'll be back with more from the high desert.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
		More Somewhere in Time coming up.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from May 23rd, 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or on the toll-free line, rather, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		This is a socialist Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		How are you doing, buddy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Hey, listen, these, I don't know, this Linda Thompson stuff, these guys are boring.
unidentified		I can't believe that.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure whether they're gun nuts or religious nuts, but they're totally out of touch with reality.
unidentified		And it's boring.
		They're stupid.
		You ought to move on.
		You don't agree?
		No.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I don't agree that they're boring.
		They're anything but.
		Some of it is dangerous.
		Some of it might be downright stupid.
		But the complaints are very legitimate.
unidentified		Oh, come on, Mr. Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on, Mr. Caller.
unidentified		They're taking our guns away.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that Waco thing.
unidentified		You don't?
		Well, there was a mistake made.
		I think they were up against the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Idaho thing?
unidentified		Oh, I better ahead and comment on that.
unidentified		I haven't read about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't read about it, huh?
Ruling Elite Frustration 00:09:53
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Randy Weaver, you don't know about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not even well enough informed that you know what happened up in Idaho, you mean?
unidentified		I haven't been following it.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		He's been armed up there for quite a while, hadn't he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Randy Weaver?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they accused him.
		Let me catch you up a little bit.
		All that was over a shotgun that was supposedly about an eighth of an inch too short.
		They shot Randy Weaver's wife while she was holding her child, shot it through the head.
unidentified		Is he the tax protester?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Oh, I recall the case you're talking about.
		Yeah.
		Do you?
		Yeah, I do now.
		Several months ago, right?
		Yes.
		Yeah.
		Oh, there's some overreaction to these agencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		You know, one person, two persons, three persons.
		They're trying to make more money.
		They want to be the prosecutor or something like that, and they overreact.
unidentified		They're trying to make a name.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		There's no government-wide conspiracy to take people's guns away.
unidentified		That's Mike Waco.
unidentified		I think that was an overreaction.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		They knew those people were heavily armed, and they knew that they were breaking the law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just a little mistake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Burned 80-something people's money.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Well, Koresh, it got out of hand, but Koresh, you know, he takes some responsibility, probably 80-20 or 70-30, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		First rate was.
unidentified		Listen, Mr. I called.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		I hope you don't mind me changing over here, but something's been bothering me I want to talk to you about.
		I don't really understand how our Federal Reserve System works, you know, the independence of the Fed.
		But I do know that our economy was starting to pick up, and people were starting to get jobs again, and now they've shut this economy down with these high interest rates.
unidentified		No, they haven't shut it down.
unidentified		They controlled it.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Now, Reagan, and your philosophy of lazy fair government interference in the marketplace, I don't know where this all sets with your people's ideology.
unidentified		And what is the purpose?
		We didn't have any inflation.
		Why are they turning down the heat when we don't have any inflation?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a preventative move.
		It's like preventative medicine.
		Even though there is no apparent inflation, they want to keep it that way.
		Now, it's a slightly controversial move, but the Fed's move lately with respect to managing the economy have been pretty good.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Okay, if I might make a point, they want to keep, see, the inflation wasn't going up.
		What was happening was the unemployment rate was going down.
		Here's a perfect example of the ruling elite controlling unemployment.
		See, if they can keep so many unemployed, then they can keep asking for $25 for a job, see, or $450 or $5, or $550 or $575.
		They keep all these people willing to work low wages if they can keep so many millions of people unemployed.
		You know, if you believe in this laissez-faire...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the president that you so admire commented on the raising of the interest rates the other day by the Fed that he didn't think it would affect the economy at all.
		That's your idol.
		So there you go.
unidentified		Oh, I don't.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got a moderate capitalist there that you're calling my idol.
		He's a lot better off than Reagan, I must admit, but he's a moderate capitalist.
		He isn't really down there for the downtrodden.
unidentified		He's for the ruling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ruling elite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to say ruling elite.
unidentified		Well, he, you know.
unidentified		What can I say, Mr. Bear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've said it all.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Yeah, the ruling elite.
		You always want to say the ruling elite.
		Do you like to do put a homeless person in charge?
		A homeless person running the country.
		Well, yeah, Mr. Bell, why would it be better off if we had a homeless person running the country?
		You could take his decisions on the road.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I was just thinking about that show you had on Coast to Coast with John Lear last year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, you're going to have to speak up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't hear you.
unidentified		Sorry, do you remember that program you had with John Lear last year?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've done a number of programs with John Lear, sir.
unidentified		I think it was the last one in Coast to Coast, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		A gentleman that was involved in the Deadwaters isn't that called up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, uh-huh.
unidentified		And he made it known that he had some audio tapes of a hypnotic regression session.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I recall that, and I still haven't seen or heard of those tapes yet.
unidentified		Oh, really?
		Yeah.
		Yeah, I was wondering what happened with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing yet.
unidentified		Okay, just wondering.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, don't know a thing about it yet.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello there.
		First-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi, Art.
		This is Dave from Missoula, Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		I'm just kind of, I guess I'd be considered another Generation X, and I'm getting kind of frustrated in this whole place.
		And I just kind of would like to hear some people reinstate my faith in America.
		I don't know, all these people I see coming into the United States from Mexico, and I'm kind of jealous.
		I'd like to switch places with them.
		I spent some time in Mexico this past spring, and I don't know.
		It seems like such a nice place to be compared to the United States anymore.
		There's so many regulations and controls they're trying to put over us.
		And I don't know.
		I don't want to be frustrated.
		I like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you think that Mexico is a paradise of government compared to the United States?
		It is not.
		Mexico is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
		Mexico is ruled by bribery.
		You do business by bribery.
		If you're frustrated here and don't like this, you'd really hate that.
unidentified		Yeah, I admit I wasn't really into the government when I was down there.
		I mingled with the local people.
		I was in Encinata, actually, and it just seemed like a fairly carefree way of life.
		No one really bothered you.
		You could just, you could make it if you wanted to, or if not, you could just, I mean, I come from a family that is fairly well out.
		My father is a doctor.
		My mother's a nurse.
		And I was raised to be a professional person.
		And I've come to the conclusion that I like to work and see something accomplished by what I do.
		And down there, I could tell that, I don't know, it's kind of hard to explain.
		I felt very free for the short time that I was there compared to up here.
		I was, I don't know, all the news, and I haven't been listening to talk radio very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you speak Spanish?
unidentified		Umpoco, just a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe it was that you didn't understand enough to listen to their news because Mexico is going through political unrest.
unidentified		Right after I left, it was when the assassination occurred in Tijuana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, NBC is going to do, thanks for the call, a big piece tonight on the unrest going on in Mexico.
		Now, you may have felt relatively free, but I think that's just because you weren't hearing the news.
		There is a lot less relative freedom in Mexico.
		Not more.
		Less.
		You can go anywhere and ignore the news and ignore everything that's going around you, on around you, and I suppose feel relatively free.
		But I'm here to tell you that there's a lot more freedom here than there is there.
		I don't exactly know where people get these ideas.
		Let's see.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, this is Sam from Wasilla, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Sam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Wasilla?
unidentified		Oh, cooking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be K-E-N-I.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, first, it's the first time I've gotten a chance to get on your line.
		Thanks much.
		Your buddies, what is it, Dr. Democrat and the socialist from Kansas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They remind me of guys that'd be willing to throw into a tiger cage and bit by bit they would feed themselves to appease it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they might.
		Why that poor tiger, that hungry tiger I need to share.
		Here, have some more of my left arm.
unidentified		Yeah, be willing to give up anything and everything.
		Yep, yep.
		Yeah, listening to, oh, Linda, of course, I share a lot in heart and spirit with what she's saying, but I think that what we're really saying is just total, we're at a critical mass where we're about to implode on ourselves.
		I mean, you look at the Federal Reserve, you look at the Clintons, you look at everything going about, and it's almost at a point just a jump ship, and each man for himself.
		I'm afraid that's what's going to happen.
		Only because, you know, you have educational system just falling to pieces and all that.
		And I don't know what to say other than just Americans to try and keep as much together and try to keep the faith in the country.
Evidence of Evolution 00:03:02
unidentified		But there's got to be something bigger and better, which, you know, that's got to be God Almighty.
unidentified		But, you know, that's where we're all left with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well, it's not such a bad thing to be left with.
		Thank you very much.
		On the wild card line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		It's the Bronx brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How you doing?
unidentified		You know the moon is almost full, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		Everyone's getting through this morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		They let us all out.
		I know.
		How you been?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		Enjoying the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love these kinds of mornings because all of you make me feel so moderate.
unidentified		Well, the moon affects us in a special way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		But I was just calling to say hello.
		And, you know, Jeremiah, you know, there's evidence of evolution in this world.
		Whether or not the scientists are right and correct, there is so much evidence of evolution.
		Our own lives, our own selves, the human being, living beings represent evolution.
		If there wasn't evolution, we'd come out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what about our creativity being evidence of our creator?
unidentified		Well, you know, right.
		You know, okay, right.
		The art with the artist.
		There is no work of art without an artist behind it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Darren Isaacs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is he not evidence of a creator?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, it's it's it's right.
unidentified		And and I don't think like, you know, like I I sort of have have agreed with you on the opinion that just because there's evolution doesn't rule out a creator, maybe the creator works through evolution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe the creator threw the lightning bolt that smashed into the biological soup that became the polywogs that became the people.
unidentified		Boom, right.
unidentified		And you've got to remember, you know, science has destroyed a lot of the old myths.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it has.
unidentified		You know, at one time they threw babies with epilepsy into the fire and burned them because they thought they were demon-possessed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		People who were paranoid schizophrenics were stoned and burned at the stake because they thought they were demon-possessed.
		Very good point.
		But a bang.
		But a bang.
		Oh, I'm not sure.
		I haven't seen the polls on Paula Jones, but I'm sure Paula Jones has seen the poll on President Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe we'll decide this whole issue by poll.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to run.
unidentified		Thank you.
Veterans and Old Friendships 00:03:06
unidentified		Poll position.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Maybe that's how we ought to decide everything now in America by the latest poll.
		We could simply have a new branch of government that would be a pollster.
		Just pick one of the major pollsters and they would become a new branch of government and they would simply ask a question and however that poll came out is what would happen.
		Hello there on the wildcard line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Is this all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes.
unidentified		Okay, let me get my radio away from my head there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, just a plain turn in officer.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I was calling in.
unidentified		I heard a lady call earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fairbanks, Alaska?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		And she was talking about seeing all these foreign military personnel in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the helicopters.
unidentified		Helicopters, Egyptians in uniforms, wearing blue berets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		U.N. troops everywhere, closing in tanks on trains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I was going to say was, we have some of the largest training areas in the world.
unidentified		And a lot of the countries sent their troops over here to be trained by our professional military personnel.
		True.
		Because they can get the best training in the world here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I trained with a lot of them when I was in the Air Force.
unidentified		I'm a vet, too.
unidentified		A disabled vet, but still a vet.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		But I see a lot of Canadians up here in Alaska, here at Allison Air Force Base.
unidentified		They're building them a hangar out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about those Russians?
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Well, the only Russians I saw were the ones that came over for the Lind-Lease Reunion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		I believe that was last summer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		yes report here so they've gone home peacefully As far as I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They didn't try to take over anything while they were there?
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they tried to look up some of the older ladies that they met over here in World War II when they were picking up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean liaisons?
unidentified		Well, I wouldn't call it that.
unidentified		I would say it's old friendships.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
harrison schmitt ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, I was going to say, and a lot of the military helicopters out here at Fort Wayne, right, are painted a dark green.
unidentified		And I'm sure that they look black at night in bad lighting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they do.
unidentified		And if they're on training maneuvers, they might not have their lines on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
		All right, sir.
		I've got to run.
		Thank you very much for yet another helicopter call.
Protest Within Rights 00:04:32
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And on the toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, sir.
unidentified		Well, Arn, I called you and you said I had my finger up my nose.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		No, I had three teeth pulled, and the root salt was still in there, so I had a a mouthful of gauze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, when?
unidentified		Um, a couple weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you called me when you had a mouthful of gauze?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would you do that?
unidentified		Well, I was listening to your show.
		It was interesting.
		I didn't know I sounded that bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		But hey, I'm glad you're on K. F-Y-I.
unidentified		K-F-Y-I, I'm sorry.
unidentified		I'm on pain medication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now you're calling me on pain medication.
unidentified		Well, I'm all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you going to be calling me from an oxygen tent next?
unidentified		Oh, I hope not.
		I hope not.
		Oh, my God.
		I never thought about that.
		But hey, about this Linda Thompson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		You know, we got to do something.
		And I think she's a little bit overboard, but she's well in her rights.
		You know, people who don't want to get involved in it don't get involved.
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		Don't get involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, she isn't.
		No, she isn't well within her rights.
		I don't think you can call for that and say you're within your rights.
		You're not within your rights to call for a hanging congressman.
unidentified		No, I'm not for that.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		That's why I think she's a little bit overboard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a little bit overboard.
		You're not well.
		You said she's well within her rights to call for that.
		No, she's not.
unidentified		No, call for a protest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that isn't what you, oh, armed?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Armed?
		To what end?
		You mean to shoot people?
unidentified		No, no.
		No, no.
		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then why would you want to be armed?
		Well, just to say, hey, you know, we have the right of peaceful protest in this country.
		We don't have to carry guns to establish that right.
willie nelson ▲ ● ▼		Well, it kind of really brings the message through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does?
unidentified		It works to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
		But when you threaten to use those guns and you advertise ahead of time, telegraph your punch, you're going to use guns.
		You're going to kill people.
		You're going to hang people.
		No.
unidentified		Yeah, I agree there.
unidentified		That's wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then we agree.
		Thanks for the call.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		Don, out in Paul Springs, KPSI.
		Yes, sir.
		I was pleasantly surprised Sunday night.
		I was looking for Dreamland, just trying, you know, just trying anything to find it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I found out KNWZ out here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's great.
		That's news, yes.
unidentified		Crystal clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crystal clear.
unidentified		That's great.
unidentified		I didn't get to listen to it that much because I fell asleep, but it was great that it was there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you found it.
unidentified		I got four quick, or three quick things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going to have to be quick.
unidentified		Yeah, they'll be quick.
unidentified		Do you read Money Magazine at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Did you see that article on the crime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wasn't that interesting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, fascinating.
unidentified		Yeah, I thought it was great.
unidentified		I wanted to get it to you in case you didn't have it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've got it.
		I've got it.
		Thank you.
		We're near the news here.
		What else?
unidentified		Okay, and also, you know, I'd like you to talk about how we can buy gold to use in case of emergencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Buying gold is a damn good idea.
unidentified		Yeah, I've never really heard anybody talk about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will talk about it.
unidentified		And also, I've heard you guys talk about Linda a lot tonight.
dr democrat in wildcard line ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'd like to know if there's anything new going on, so if you could talk about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing I'm aware of.
unidentified		Okay, because, you know, we didn't get the first two hours out here, so I wasn't sure if something came up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, nothing I know of.
unidentified		Just the topic tonight, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people are concerned about it.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I am too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm just heading for the hills myself.
unidentified		I'm staying out of the herd deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, off to the hills with you.
		Thank you very much for the call, and we'll be back.
		This is Coast to Coast AF.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
unidentified		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Why Dave Wants to Move 00:04:22
unidentified		Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues, courtesy of Premier Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		A little bit after 3 o'clock in the morning on the East Coast.
		Don't know what it is where you are, but it's the middle of the night here.
		And the moon is full, and we can feel it.
		And on the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, good morning, Art.
		This is Sean calling from Last Best Place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Missoula, Montana.
unidentified		You got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, I'm not exactly in Missoula, but, anyways, one thing I wanted to talk about was my friend Dave that called up tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dave?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I vaguely remember Dave.
unidentified		Well, anyways, he was calling about saying how he wanted to move to Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, now I remember Dave, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, and I really don't necessarily disagree with him.
		Why?
		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is Mexico better?
unidentified		Well, Mexico is, I mean, you can live a lot cheaper than you can in the United States.
unidentified		I mean, I'm working really hard for what I have here, trying to pay my rent, trying to pay my bills, trying to pay my taxes, and it just doesn't seem like I'm getting anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where are you going to get income in Mexico?
unidentified		Well, you know, I can open up a business down there a lot cheaper than I could ever think about opening a business in the United States right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's probably true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the standard of living in Mexico is much lower.
unidentified		The standard of living is much lower, but depending on what your income is, if you have some money, say, like, for instance, I make $10,000 a year here in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's below the poverty line.
unidentified		Right, but that's working full-time all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what makes you think you could make even that much in Mexico?
unidentified		Well, if I had that, if I had the basic amount of income that I have here in the United States and went down to Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, yeah, that's a lot better.
		That's true.
		But if wishes were fishes, I mean, you wouldn't.
		You know, the jobs there are not as plentiful as they are here.
		You have not noticed, Sean, too many people breaking out of the United States and running across the border into the middle of traffic in Mexico to get entrance.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, but I mean...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you suppose that is?
unidentified		Well, I mean, a lot of people want to go down there and make some money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then they could do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing stops you.
unidentified		Right, right.
		And that's what I'm saying.
		It's a lot easier to start a business in Mexico than it is in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you get there, try and hear me on KDWN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They come in down to Mexico very well.
unidentified		K Don?
		Oh, really?
		Well, yeah, I used to get KDOC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get a lot of mail from Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know why, Sean?
unidentified		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because the telephone system is so bad in Mexico, people can't call me.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I would love to keep my jobs here in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Sean.
unidentified		I would love to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If wishes were fishes.
unidentified		Well, if wishes were fishes, yes, but exactly.
		I mean, it's really hard these days to keep a job in the United States.
		I mean, look at the EPA, what they're saying, what we cannot do and cannot do, and what we can do, and then look at Sean, my guess would be the EPA is not stopping you from making $15,000 or $20,000 or even $30,000 if you're capable of it.
		Well, if we're capable of it, but I mean, it's like, okay, say, for instance, if you're a logger and you went out there logging, and then all of a sudden the EPA comes in there and says, are you a logger?
		No, I'm not a logger, but I understand that aspect of logging.
		And here in Montana, we've had a lot of people that have been losing their jobs here because of EPA stuff, you know, stuff that they're saying, you know, well, come in here, you can log this, and you can't log this.
		You know, we're going to cut off this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's the same way with different kinds of the manufacturing jobs that are left in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, well, Sean, I'm out of time.
News Blackout Inquiry 00:12:57
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Asta La Vista, Sean.
		Let's see.
		Wildcard line three, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		This is Kurt calling from KBI.
		Hello, Kurt.
		I just wanted to say, first of all, I certainly hope that September the 19th is not a full moon like tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, though.
unidentified		It is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody called earlier and said September the 19th is a full moon.
unidentified		Well, that makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, maybe it does.
unidentified		Also, I wanted to ask you, what was it exactly that Hillary Clinton had said?
unidentified		I hadn't heard anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She did not say anything.
		What we have here is the White House has put up a balloon.
		They do that.
		They leak things out in order to get a reaction.
		And they're going to get a reaction to this one.
		It is that White House operatives are saying that Hillary Clinton may indeed secede the president, may run for president.
unidentified		But you mean run against Bill Clinton?
		No.
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But no, to run, in other words, when he leaves office, whenever that may be.
unidentified		So you mean, like, instead of Al Gore?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Wow.
		What do you think about that idea?
		Well, I'm sure Charlie would vote for her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure he would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The question is, would you?
unidentified		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		No way.
		What do you think Hillary Clinton's America would be like?
unidentified		Wow.
unidentified		It'd be pretty scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It'd be a strange place.
		Close your eyes and try and imagine America after, say, seven years of Hillary Clinton.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello, Arn.
		I'm calling from Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reno, yes.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		And I have a news blackout I want to ask you about, and then another news item.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, two Sundays ago on our ABC news, about 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock, and 6 o'clock in the morning, they did a blackout, a news blackout, about a city or small town in South Africa where the whole town was burned up by the federal troops.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't heard about this.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		They touched off the federal troops, took a whole bunch of tires, put them on fire, gathered up all the people, I guess, screaming and harming, threw them in the fire.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		Now, it was rumored to me that they were Zulus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I I'm sorry, I haven't heard anything about this.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, it was a news blackout, and I haven't heard anything else about it from NPR or anything.
		And in fact, there was even an eyewitness account on the news talking about what he saw, and he couldn't believe what he was seeing.
		But that ran about three times between those three hours.
		And I thought it was kind of very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are stories like that that run and then get dropped for whatever reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one way to combat that and to get information is to get shortwave.
unidentified		Yeah.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		And another thing was all today I had heard about this in England.
		It's like a bacteria called either Staphyloccus or Streptococcus.
		In the medical, one of the medical universities, they've had six people die of this very strange, they call it a mutated bacteria of the Staphyloccus or Streptococcus.
unidentified		And it starts off like gangrene.
unidentified		Right.
wildcard in reno ▲ ● ▼		And within 24 hours, it spreads all over your body.
unidentified		Sounds so.
unidentified		And the people die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like that.
unidentified		That was all over the news today on ABC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		ABC Radio?
unidentified		ABC News on KOH.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On KOH, aren't you?
		All right, thank you.
		Anybody else able to confirm that one?
		No, I hadn't heard about that.
		A new virus, huh?
		Of some kind.
		I did.
		Oh, by the way, I saw the rest of the stand.
		I had taped the stand, and my assessment of it is that I liked the first episode much better than the succeeding episodes.
		I thought the first night was staggeringly well done.
		I thought the successive nights degenerated somewhat.
		It was nevertheless a good story, and I enjoyed it.
		But I think it could have been done.
		Well, maybe not.
		I mean, if you accept it for what it was, entertainment, then it's fine.
		But the first night sort of almost went beyond just sheer entertainment, and it degenerated from that point.
		But the first night I thought was incredible.
		And that's the way it could happen.
		Make no mistake about it, to kind of punctuate this last call.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Where are you?
		I'm from Missoula, Montana.
		Calling on KGBO.
		Yes, sir.
		First of all, that lady that just called about the disease that's killing people.
		Yes.
		I just heard it.
		I've heard it two or three times on the news on the top of the hour during your program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What news do you run there in Missoula?
unidentified		I'm trying to think.
		I don't know what the network is.
		It's one of the network news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, it is not a surprising story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Our own CDC has been telling us, look out, because things like this are coming.
unidentified		Scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you saw the stand, did you?
unidentified		No, I did not.
		Uh-huh.
		Well, don't watch much TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		Well, I don't either, but that's one that I happened to catch because I read the book and I loved it.
		And it played on exactly this theme, or that a biological menace got loose and literally wiped out the world.
		Could happen.
unidentified		Good timing.
		I mean, they put it on the air right at the right time, huh?
		Yeah.
		Hey, I guess something else.
		In the Missoulian for today, 24th, there's an article on the front page.
		UN works for global gun control.
		Have you heard of this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what does it say roughly?
unidentified		So quietly that even the gun lobby hasn't noticed.
		The United Nations is beginning to set its sights on global gun control.
		That's the first paragraph.
		UN Disarmament Commission has adopted a working paper, blah, blah, blah.
		They're basically trying to run worldwide guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, my mama used to tell me when I'd put a whole bunch of food in front of me that my eyes were bigger than my stomach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your mom ever tell you that?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I'd say to the U.N. If they think they're going to disarm the world, they can't even get control of little bitty countries where they're messing around.
		Not even little bitty ones and little bitty wars.
		And what do they think they're going to do?
		Come take our guns?
		That's a laugh.
unidentified		Well, the way I look at it is they have been a laugh for so long.
unidentified		But if they are really going to get serious and Clinton and the other elites in the U.S. are going to work towards that too, we can, this country can change that laughing stock into a power, and that's what scares me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're absolutely right about that.
		But even Clinton's having second thoughts about participating in the UN Adventures Adventures these days.
		They made a comment.
unidentified		Tomorrow he'll be all behind it.
unidentified		He can't keep on the subject.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you've got a good point there, sir.
		Thank you very much.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mike.
		You're going to have to speak up.
		You're coming.
unidentified		Okay, what I was calling about was to say that I think that when they do come to take the guns, people will turn them over.
		This country has basically been raised to respect law and order, and it's difficult to go against the government, and it's difficult to go against the laws.
		What are people going to do?
		Fight police officers if they come to take the gun?
		I don't think many of them will.
		They're going to look at their kids and their job and their financial situation, and they're going to say, well, we've got no choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are mostly correct.
		But if they ever actually get to confiscating the guns, there are enough people that will fight so that I believe that it will not happen.
		I do not believe that will happen.
unidentified		It's happening slowly.
		See, if you go to a gun store right now, I own a Glock 17.
		I told you the other day I bought some SKSs and already had some.
		That Glock 17 I bought, I can't even find the magazine for anymore here in Phoenix.
		They're all bought up because people are worried about that 10-round maximum capacity of the magazine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean that you can't get it.
		You can't get it because of law.
		Wait a minute.
		Wait a minute.
		Because of the law of supply and demand, not a law that says you can't buy a magazine.
unidentified		No, but it's also made the gun manufacturers nervous to where they don't, if it's possible that they could impose a ban effective immediately.
		It hasn't happened that way in the past, but they could do that.
		So the gun manufacturers are not, as far as what the guy told me at the gun stores, I don't know if it's true.
		But he says that they're not manufacturing any more magazines because they don't want to be stuck with a big inventory of useless merchandise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the gun manufacturers have never had it better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're selling out right now.
unidentified		Oh, I agree.
russell in california ▲ ● ▼		So what if I've got I bought five SKSs, I already had two.
unidentified		I've got my Glock.
		I've got a few other handguns.
		If I can't get ammunition or if I can't get magazines or spare parts, what good are they?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
unidentified		That's what I'm saying.
		It's happening step by step.
		And people aren't really aware.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the fact is, wait a minute.
		It's not happening.
		The only thing that's happening is that all of this stuff is selling out.
		You know, you're saying it's happening.
		It's not happening.
		The government hasn't banned it.
unidentified		What I mean is they're getting more support.
		The NRA has been ineffective of late.
		Bob Dole caved in on the Brady bill after saying that he wouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		And then the next day, all of a sudden, he changed his mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		This is the last draw.
unidentified		We're not accepting anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, apox on Bob Dole.
		All right.
		All right, thank you.
		Apox on Bob Dole for that.
		But to translate it to it's already happening.
		They're taking the guns.
		They're not.
		Let's be fair and let's not rush to judgment and say things that simply are not yet true.
		Maybe it will be.
		If it will, there's going to be a clash, isn't there?
		They know that.
		They must know that.
		I'm convinced they know that.
		Banning the importation or manufacture of assault rifles, ridiculous as it is, is not yet the terrible thing that everybody's fearing.
		It may become that.
		We'll have to wait and see.
		And there's going to be trouble if it does.
		I am convinced that it will not get to that.
		They may try, and I'm not saying that some don't have that agenda.
		I just don't think it's going to come to that.
		Toll-free line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		It's been a long time since I've talked to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, welcome back.
unidentified		And hard to get through to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I just wanted to wish you luck in your new ventures with your dreamland and your one at home.
unidentified		How does your wife like to have you home there all the time?
Miniature Carnations 00:15:34
unidentified		You don't have to go away at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Worked out very well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would I rather drive 120 miles?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		You'd rather stay home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You can walk outside, like you said, and use your little telephone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And how's your little son like it?
		I bet he does, too, at the chair home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He loves promp.
unidentified		I guess I have the brochures on some of them.
unidentified		I've been reading it up when I get my Nevada magazine by prompt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		The moon is bright, but I didn't go outside, so I'm not howling.
unidentified		I didn't go out to look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can howl at it from the inside if you want.
unidentified		Okay, then.
		Oh, sure.
		But I was going to say, I'm not worried about the things of the world tonight.
		But you were talking about that baby food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Maybe they're buying it up and taking it to the starving people over in Africa.
unidentified		The babies and mothers are starving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't need to sneak in in the middle of the day and do that.
unidentified		I know they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or night.
unidentified		But you never know what they might be doing, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be something totally devious, too.
unidentified		Yes, yes, it could.
unidentified		I remember it's been quite some time ago you talked about those helicopters.
kt frankovich ▲ ● ▼		But it's been at least three months or two that they were flying over here at what time?
unidentified		This is St. Helena, Napa County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They fly over St. Helena?
unidentified		They did one night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		That's quite some time ago, though.
		I haven't seen anything since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scares me.
unidentified		And they're dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dark?
unidentified		They're not green.
unidentified		They're black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even black.
		All right.
		Well, listen, I've got a break.
		I've got to go.
unidentified		Okay, well, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
unidentified		Good night.
		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		You're listening
		to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from the 23rd of May, 1994.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here I am again.
		The moon is full and getting just about full anyway and getting fuller by the second.
		And I suppose we'll be in for yet another night of this tonight.
		It's kind of fun, though.
		I enjoy it when it's either very rough or very weird.
		That's what talk radio is all about.
		So whatever it is on any given night is what it is.
		I read this because so many people are sending me the same thing.
		You should consider adding a fax modem to your computer.
		This would allow you to continue receiving faxes, but they would become a computer document which could be read and then deleted without incurring the fax paper expense.
		Yes, I know.
		The reason I have one already, not to worry.
		The reason that doesn't work is because I use faxes right away.
		And obviously, when I'm doing the program, I don't have time to sit here going through faxes that are saved in computer memory and then dumping them.
		There just isn't that time.
		I've got to have hard copies.
		There's almost no way around it.
		So I, too, have thought of that idea and discarded it because of the hard copy problem.
		I've really got to have an immediate hard copy.
		And so I don't know what to do about that.
		We continue to fell trees by the hour as the faxes come in.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
		This is Jeff and Bellevue.
		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine, Jeff.
unidentified		Yes, the moon is quite full tonight, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, a couple things.
		I guess the pressure might be on you.
		A couple times you may have slipped under the pressure of the moon.
		The flower company sells carnations, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The miniature carnations.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
unidentified		It happened right after the Gold Rose commercial and kind of mentioned that they sold roses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		So it wasn't quite carried on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they don't.
		And maybe I'm cracking.
		Yes, they sell miniature carnations, which, by the way, look just like miniature roses.
unidentified		Oh, really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm going to pick some up for my mother.
unidentified		Her birthday was yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're beautiful.
unidentified		Also, on the magazine issue that the gentleman had brought up earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Underneath the new people crime bill that we have, they all said that magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are considered weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Considered weapons?
unidentified		They're considered weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I consider them all weapons.
unidentified		Well, no, the magazine, empty by itself, it holds more than 10 bullets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suppose even empty, you could club somebody to death with one of them.
unidentified		Yeah, you could probably cut someone really bad with one of those guac plastic weapons as well.
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		Well, thank you very much tonight.
		Thank you for the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope I said miniature carnations.
		I usually say miniature carnations.
		Maybe I had roses on the mind.
		Doesn't matter.
		They're miniature carnations, and there are zillions of them.
		And they do.
		They look just like, actually, like miniature roses.
		In a way, they're a little more delicate.
		You know, there's sort of more to them.
		But they're smaller.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		This is Roger and Mesa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Roger and Mesa.
unidentified		You guys are over on KFYI now here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it would seem.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Interesting story here that happened to me.
		As a matter of fact, yesterday, I've got several handguns, and a couple months back, I needed a little extra cash, so I had an older Smith ⁇ Wesley 357 Magnum that I pawned, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, and now you have to fill out papers to get it back.
unidentified		Yeah, I didn't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's true.
unidentified		Yeah, I went to get it out today.
unidentified		I gave my money, and I have to wait five days to get my 357 Magnum back, which I've owned for almost 15 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it's lunacy, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
		That's all basically I wanted to say.
		I didn't know if anybody else out there knew anything about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I am aware of it.
		It is true.
		It's part of the Brady bill.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I'll tell anybody else out there that if they have to pawn a gun, that's what they're up against.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		That's nuts, isn't it?
		In other words, if you are grandfathered and you already own it.
unidentified		Oh, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the first-time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		How are you today?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Where am I?
		Well, may I just say, first of all, that I have to turn my radio down.
		That's probably one of the problems you have on your talk show.
		And there is a lot of wasted time when people don't answer.
		You know, I'm listening to the show for many years, and that wastes my time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Morrow Bay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Morrow Bay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you called before?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then you're wasting all of our time because you're on the first-time caller line breaking a rule.
unidentified		I didn't call before today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you called before, and you said yes?
unidentified		Well, in years past, I called.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, then you're not a first-time caller, see?
		You're not a first-time caller.
		That's for people who have never called the program before.
		Now, you did exactly what you accused people of doing.
		That's right.
		They waste time if they don't turn down their radio.
		And if they call line when other first-time callers could be getting through, then you waste their time.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is KNZR in Bakersfield.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		You're technically incorrect about them not confiscating guns.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, which ones, where have they done that?
unidentified		Okay, you know, the ATF reclassified the Street Sweeper and the Stryker 12 shotgun as destructive devices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that is correct.
unidentified		And a memo that has leaked out to Gunwheat, the weekly gun newspaper, is that they have all intentions if the Feinstein bill becomes law of classifying those weapons as destructive devices or machine guns.
unidentified		And in some states, you cannot own a destructive device or machine gun, and so they will have to turn those weapons in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but technically, you see, I was correct because they haven't done that yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So technically, I was correct, wasn't I?
unidentified		Well, I haven't as yet done it, put it that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is that not a rather important distinction?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since you talked about technicalities, I would say it's a very important distinction.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'll agree with that distinction.
		All I'm saying is that if this bill that passed both both the House and the Senate, then if filibuster doesn't work or if Jack Brooks isn't able to stop this in committee, it will become law.
		And if you can't own, if they reclassify and you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if yes, if yes, if yes.
		That's right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		If that happens, if the leaked supposed memo is true, and if they really go out and take guns, then we have a different situation, surely.
		But the if is an important part.
		On the first time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Greta from Honolulu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Greta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Honolulu?
unidentified		Oh, just fine.
		Thank you.
		I have some news for you that might calm people down out there about Linda Thompson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh?
unidentified		Yes, I heard this on our talk show down here called Take America Back.
		Linda Thompson is going to have a trial march on August 14th.
		Have you heard about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's a new one.
unidentified		Okay, well, this is what she was telling us about.
		And not to let her down because otherwise the march on the 19th of September would fail.
		So that might be some good news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not to let her down or the one on the 19th would fail?
unidentified		Yes, that's what she said.
unidentified		Not to let her down to come and march on August 14th and to show up and not to let her down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that supposed to be a peaceful march?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
unidentified		No uniform or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		So that sounds really good, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's more like it, yes.
unidentified		I think it sounds wonderful.
		Anyway, could I also speak to Dreamland?
		Yes, sure.
		Okay, I heard your Dreamland last night and a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		For the first time.
		Well, I was absolutely intrigued.
		I couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		The next morning I came into my store.
		When I opened up my store, my first customer was a Hawaiian lady.
		And we started to talk story about their Hawaiian gods and the gods of India.
		And then I mentioned your show.
		And I'm telling her about the life after.
		And she stood there and looked at me.
		She touched my arm and she says, it's true, Greta.
		I've been there.
		I died when I was 23.
		Many people have chills up my spine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Many people have done it, ma'am.
unidentified		It's just incredible.
unidentified		Anyway, I'm glad I got through to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you did, too, and tell everybody in Hawaii about Dreamland.
unidentified		Oh, I will.
unidentified		Unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Bye-bye.
		Glad you enjoy it.
		It'll be coming up this next Sunday.
		That's going to be a particularly interesting program.
		But I love Dreamland.
		I love that program.
		It is sort of a natural, and it's really gone wild.
		And I'll tell you, in the 10 weeks we've been on, Dreamland is already on 52 affiliates and growing by the day.
		If you don't yet have Dreamland in your market, give your affiliate a call and ask them to get it.
		If they don't run Dreamland as we would hope they would, from 7 to 10 o'clock on Sunday evening, then there's yet another opportunity on the next Saturday, and they rerun it from 5 o'clock to 8 o'clock Pacific Coast time.
		Did you know that?
		Or they can record it and play it back at their leisure.
		On the toll-free line, you're on the air.
		No, you're not.
		On the wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		I'm calling from Edmonds in KVI Country here, 570.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, I was wondering if you got a letter like I did.
		I just opened it up today, just received it today, from Wayne Lopier, National Rifle Authority.
		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a special registered letter asking me to join again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm still a member, and I haven't been a member that long, so I'm not sure why he's asking me to renew my membership right now.
unidentified		Well, he doesn't.
unidentified		This one said if you wanted to extend it for another period of time, you could do so, and evidently the rates are going up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But the main gist of this letter, there was a seven-page.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I read it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said he had just come back from some conference and he was all discouraged and blah, blah, blah, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I read that.
unidentified		And why did you send the postcards to Sam Dominson, Dan Rather, Tom Broco, and USA Today magazines?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wish you'd come on my program.
unidentified		I do, too.
		And I don't understand why.
		It would be wonderful publicity for the NRA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't figure it.
		I really truly can't figure it.
		We've had everybody I know approach them, and for some reason, they're dead set against it.
		It is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		What better publicity could you have nationwide?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't know situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Are you going to send in those cards?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I haven't made up my mind yet, probably.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I was thinking about sending mine in, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm very, very, very angry with them, but still, I view them as the only organization that can really do anything.
unidentified		Well, that's the way I view it, too.
		And I joined shortly after you did for the same reasons.
		I figured that there's got to be somebody around to be able to fight this en masse in Congress.
		And so that's one reason why I joined.
		I also just wanted to mention, too, on that crazy virus that a couple of people had called.
		I heard that, too.
		It was either today or yesterday on the radio.
		I only heard it once.
		So I would need to hear it again to be able to absorb it better.
		But anyway, it sounds terrible.
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unidentified		This virus works so fast, and just a matter of a few days, it can just practically eat you alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they say?
		Mankind may not go out with a bang, but a whimper.
		Thank you for the call.
		Yeah, I'm going to have to get some news on this.
		I'm sorry, I don't have any, and I haven't heard about it.
		Sounds awful, doesn't it?
		A virus, something that causes you to begin to get what appears to be gangrene.
		And it quickly spreads to your entire body, and that's it.
		I'm sorry, I'm just hearing about it from the callers.
		I have not heard the newscast, but I will try and get that information.
		We'll talk about it tomorrow morning.
		Not with a bang, but with a whimper.
		On the wild card line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, sir.
unidentified		KENI, Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		The fellow that called a few minutes ago was worried about his guns and destructive being turned into destructive devices made me think of the crime bill that's presently before Congress.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, the negotiations going on between the two houses at the moment as to what will the ultimate end be with regards to the ban on the so-called assault weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		And I think my remedy for crime, I've been thinking about it somewhat here lately, and I think there's a pretty easy way of doing it without passing any more laws and restricting anyone's rights.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's if we just enforce the laws that we presently had diligently for at least one year, we'd probably see a lot of criminals that would become so, well, criminal behavior would become so hazardous that only actual lunatics would engage in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, where would you put the criminals that you caught?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where would you store them?
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we seem to have some excess bases at the moment, which I disagree with also, but that's another subject altogether.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		And there's certainly far more damage being done by these, I'll call them professional criminals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, I don't know what kind of phone you've got, but it sounds terrible.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		It's what I've been using for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It makes you sound like you're spitting.
unidentified		Oh, is there a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it sounds like...
unidentified		I'll move it a little bit further away from my mouth.
unidentified		Maybe that'll help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that helped a lot.
unidentified		Did it?
unidentified		Okay.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		Going on further, I think there are two things that are responsible for the cheating that we have of justice.
lyn buchanan ▲ ● ▼		The first is not the legal procedure, but the chaotic state, or it's the chaotic state of the legal procedure, not of the law.
unidentified		The law is pretty sufficient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, thank you very much.
		We've just got to enforce it.
		Right.
		We've got to enforce it.
		That'd be a good idea.
		The trouble is, you need a place to keep all those criminals, and I take your idea with regard to the military bases.
		Maybe they're thinking about that now.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, this is Joellen in Albany, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hello, Joellen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's Albany, Georgia this morning?
unidentified		Oh, it's cool and it feels great.
unidentified		Got the windows open, enjoying the weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		What I wanted to call about was Rostenkowski's pardon.
		Yes.
		You know, Dr. Democrat wanted to do the pardon on the same basis that Nixon was pardoned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay, I'm a fright-winger, but I'll be honest with you.
		If he'll do it the way Nixon was pardoned, I'll go along with it.
		First, Nixon has to resign.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And then he has to admit that he did something.
		I'm sorry, first Nixon resigned, and then he had to admit that he did something wrong.
		So that's what we have to do with Roston Kowski.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I even had a better thought.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As long as it could be his last day in office, let it be.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see what I'm saying?
unidentified		See what you're saying.
unidentified		But he also has to admit that he did something wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roston Kowski?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he's got to sort of publicly apologize.
unidentified		Correct.
		That's what we did with Nixon.
		And under those conditions, just to get him out of office and to get him away from the health care plan, I'm for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about his pension?
unidentified		Well, he's been in office a long time.
		I really would let other people make that decision.
		Quite frankly, I think that pensions and salaries should be paid by the states and not by the federal government, and that the state should make the decision.
		I've always believed that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, I appreciate your call.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Albany, Georgia.
		And on the wildcard line, you're on the air without a whole lot of time.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Alan Albuquerque.
		I just wanted to briefly respond to the people that have been calling about this new disease in Great Britain.
		Oh, yes.
		I've heard about it several times, and I've told you before I work in a medical laboratory, so I may know a little more.
		What it is is a group A streptococcus, which is an organism which causes strep throat.
		This organism has always caused, and in some cases with strep throat, a really nasty red rash after the strep throat has gotten well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but they're talking about gangrene.
unidentified		Well, yeah, and what I was going to get to is that it's been mutating for years.
unidentified		We have now penicillin-resistant strep, and I have, I think with a lot of organisms, we're seeing, because of the strong antibiotics we're using, we're seeing them mutate, and that's what I think has happened here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not with a bang, but a whimper.
unidentified		Yeah, no kidding.
		And in this case, I know I've talked to you about these people with the gas coming from their bodies and all.
		It's unlike that, I believe.
		I think this is really something that is just a really nasty mutation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, well, all right, we've got to hold it there.
		I'm going to find out what I can about that.
		Thank you all.
		I'm out of time.
		I'm sorry.
		That's it.
		We'll be back tomorrow, whatever time you normally join us.
		See you then.
		In the meantime, it's off to shortwave in 3890-3.890.
		Be there in a few minutes.
		Thank you.

Chapters

00:00:12 Good Evening, Phoenix
00:02:23 Would Support Non-Citizens?
00:17:36 I Sympathize With Your Dilemma
00:23:22 Taking a Stand
00:38:27 We Are About to Be Enslaved
00:39:53 Edge of the Issue
00:54:08 Concerns About UN Troops
01:02:19 Absolute Tyranny in Haiti
01:10:06 Smokers' Rights Debate
01:13:36 Why Not Dreamland?
01:19:02 Hey Bob, Back Good
01:22:55 Call Your Representatives
01:37:56 57% Believe Clinton
01:43:01 Ruling Elite Frustration
01:52:39 Evidence of Evolution
01:55:27 Veterans and Old Friendships
01:58:18 Protest Within Rights
02:02:36 Why Dave Wants to Move
02:06:43 News Blackout Inquiry
02:19:25 Miniature Carnations
02:34:44 Enforcing Laws Diligently