Chad Deacon and Linda Moulton Howe examine crop circles—1993’s England cases revealed altered plant ion transfer and genetic changes by Dr. W.C. Leavengood, defying wind or human hoaxes. Deacon’s 12-year research, including Project Argus (2002), found electromagnetic anomalies like battery drain and undisturbed wheat patterns, hinting at microwave-like energy. Unexplained metal plates in Germany and ancient symbols (e.g., "fill up your wells") suggest possible communication, though no clear language emerges. Mathematical spacing tied to the diatonic scale remains speculative. Deacon dismisses Star Wars tech as unlikely but acknowledges UFO abduction parallels. The mystery persists: is this alien intelligence, government suppression, or an undiscovered natural force? [Automatically generated summary]
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We've got a lot on tap this morning.
Linda Howe leads it with her report, her look into another reality, another dimension, another area.
And then we'll hear from Chad Dietkin.
Chad is going to talk to us, and we've heard from him before, actually, in a crowded telephone booth with Linda Howe in England.
You may recall that program, and he spoke to us then and will now about crop circles.
And so stand by for that.
A lot of fascinating discussion this morning.
Let us begin all the way back in Philadelphia with Linda Howe.
And Merry Christmas to you and to Bob Bigelow, the Bigelow Foundation, and Chad Deekin in Canada.
He is a true colleague, and he and I and others spent two very complex and full weeks in England this past summer investigating the crop circles and I reported from there with him and on several of the stories that were happening there and it was only a week or two that I was in Michigan with Dr. Leavingood who has been examining some of those exact same stems,
seeds, and various other parts of the wheat and rye plants in England that we brought back and has found that there have been some kind of fundamental changes at the chemical and the physical level of those plants that, quoting Dr. Lovingood, cannot be host.
And I think tonight what will be valuable is that Chad brings perspective on that phenomenon from Canada to England.
He is up on his feet on what has happened in the United States and so he has an international perspective.
And I thought also that while that phenomenon has been happening, it has happened in parallel with animal mutilations in England, the United States, and other countries all happening at the same time that crop formations happen this summer.
And it seems now, year-round, month after month, whether it is Bud Hopkins, David Jacobs, Leo Sprinkle, or any of the investigators using hypnosis, or a researcher like myself who is not using hypnosis but is very interested in the patterns of abductions around the world.
All of these phenomena that seem to be having to do with another reality that is outside of the one that we accept every day that we get up and we go to work and we come home.
Something else is happening around us day and night, affecting thousands of people globally.
Just a month ago, researchers in Canada, psychologists at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada, had spent months doing research with what were considered to be people who, they said, reported at least anomalous phenomena and some described as UFOs or unusual sightings in the sky.
And in the November 1993 Journal of Abnormal Psychology, which is a very respected journal, these investigators in Canada, led by Dr. Nicholas T. Spanos, a professor of psychology at Carleton University in Ottawa,
they reported in that journal a summary of their findings over several months concerning people who had reported some kind of an anomalous phenomenon, including what we would describe as unidentified flying objects in the sky.
The researchers found the eyewitnesses to be as intelligent and mentally healthy as other people and not more prone to fanatics.
Of 49 adults who had seen unidentified flying objects, 10 said that they had seen a craft close up.
This is consciously having nothing to do with hypnosis.
Ten said that they had seen an alien being.
Seven described verbal contact with alien beings.
Eight reported telepathic contact.
Seven remembered total body paralysis at some point, and in most cases that would be when they were asleep and waking up and noting that they could not move.
Eight reported missing time, which has been reported by Bud Hopkins since 1980.
And two recalled going aboard a spacecraft.
These are conscious memories having nothing to do with hypnosis.
And in this summary that was reported, the whole bottom line was that these people were no more different than you, I, or anyone that was considered to be normal in the population.
Now, another part of this is: what did the media start doing as a result of this Canadian report that appeared in a very respectable journal?
There were newspapers all over the United States and Canada, maybe other parts of the world, and they began doing their own interviews with people that said that they too were conscious by something that seemed, from their definition, to fit the category of UFOs.
Well, recently in Washington, D.C., a story with a full-color photograph of two women in Catlett, Virginia appeared in the newspaper.
And the title of this was Living in the Light on Earth.
They are haunted by shadows of UFOs.
And in the context of this Canadian report on people who are basically mentally sound, their intelligence is no different from the average population, but that they are reporting some kind of an interaction with something that comes in the form of a disc, has light, and seemed some way to have an interaction with humans.
These two women reported to the Gannett News Service, which made the papers in USA Today and other stories, that in their small town of Catlet, Virginia, these two women said that, and this was a quote,
sometimes a spaceship, and they described it as a saucer, touches down at the corner of the farm that they live on in a Virginia horse farm 50 miles west of Washington, D.C., the nation's capital.
They said that sometimes, and I'm quoting from the Skinette News Service, the beings, and this is their quote, materialize out of thin air.
That has been one of the patterns of what we would call the UFO human abduction syndrome now for at least 30 years.
People say that something that appears to be a being of some sort absolutely has incident outside right out of the air in front of them.
In other cases, people report seeing beings coming down a road, and in some cases actually coming out of an enemy disc.
In this case, these women in Virginia, as we speak during the fall of the winter of 1993, are saying that they are seeing what they call beings that don't resemble humans are materializing out of thin air.
Then they describe what we all have heard from Bud and from David and from others on Area 2000 of being taken sometimes to something that is full of light, that they have been poked and prodded and that they have had excisions taken from their skin.
And they describe a trauma, but they are returned.
They are returned to their horse farm in Virginia.
And they discuss it from the point of view of humans who have had an experience that may be akin to a cat that we might take to a veterinarian.
And we do it because we want something to happen to perpetuate the life of that cat.
And the experience with a veterinarian is frightening and traumatic for the cat, but we, the humans who take that cat, know that there is a good reason.
There may be, as is suggested by several abductees, that as traumatic as these abductions are, there may be in the long run some reason for why this is happening to humans globally that in the long run we may learn might have something to do with our own survival.
But I think it is very significant for our Area 2000 listeners to realize that psychologists in Canada, maybe other universities are taking this syndrome extremely seriously.
They're doing research and reporting on it, and newspapers, at least in the United States, are making the effort to go out and do research and contact people to say that they have had contact with something that they think is beyond at least the reality of the day-to-day earthquake light that we live here.
And if so, the big question is, as we end 1993 and we begin 1994, are we counting our people going to craft revolutionary front and early as a glow as a government?
So I keep hearing from Washington, D.C. contacts that something is afoot from a political level.
Now, what that force or energy or whatever it is that is behind these current speculative rumors are, I'm not sure.
But there seems to be a growing sense that in this coming year that at least some kind of a public statement might be made, maybe by this administration or by another country or another government.
While we're on that subject, Linda, the new Secretary of Defense, Bobby Ray Inman, Secretary Designate, Has allegedly made a very interesting statement in the past about UFOs.
Well, he was tracked down by a Maryland investigator and was asked if he knew about MJ-12.
And for those who have stayed with Area 2000 over the past few months, they would know that MJ-12 refers to possibly an inside group inside the government that has originated from the Truman administration and has been replaced, that people have died by others who have, you might say, the keys to the kingdom of the knowledge about UFOs and other life forms.
If there's any truth to MJ-12, the one person who might know about their knowledge would be Bobby Ray Inman.
He has served in the government and in the intelligence community for a long portion of his life.
And I think that the timing right now that he would be tapped to take this particular very important position in the cabinet of Secretary of Defense is, if nothing else, the timing is existing.
And he has, of anybody, he may have knowledge about this other phenomenon we'll call another life form in the universe.
He may know that we are, in fact, interacting with or being interacted with by other life forms.
And if he is a Secretary of Defense, 1994 may be the first year where someone in that kind of position in the government might also be in a position to finally talk to us honestly about what, or at least a portion of what the government knows.
My own sense of things is that we have only six years until we turn to the year 2000.
In those six years, if we don't get past this paradigm that we're alone in the universe, something is truly askew.
It does not make sense.
There are too many eyewitness testimonies, too many confidential military sources, too many intelligence sources that are speaking and saying, yes, we have had ongoing communication, relationships, interactions with something else out there in the universe since at least the 1940s.
And now we're in the 90s.
We have to come up to speed with the facts.
And it may be that the government has been correct, that it may be that in the long run, if we all look back and say, yes, it took half a century to get through all of the old conditioning about our being alone in the universe.
It may have taken 50 years to get the population of the United States and other countries up to the point where they could say, all right, we can accept the fact we're not alone in the universe and that then we have to deal with the implications of the statement we're not alone.
Well, again, with Bobby Ray Inman, Linda, he is renowned for saying exactly what he feels, not necessarily a team player, somebody who will do what he wants to do when he wants to do it.
You have to wonder if it couldn't be something as simple as a question put to the new Secretary of Defense by somebody in the press early on about something like this to break it all open.
Well, we could all hope that would be the case, but you have to also remember he may have been independent of mind in his career, but you cannot have served in the agencies that he has and not be some kind of a team player.
And I think personally that the reason that the policy of silence of this government and probably other countries has survived for so long is art, this is a story that is very difficult to tell.
People don't have the ears and the mindset to hear about another life form or intelligence involved with the planet in all these various facets that we talk about every week.
So it may be that it has been easy for the government to wait out a kind of generational shift, one generation, second generation.
Now we're moving into a third generation since the 1940s.
And even if Bobby Ray Inman knows specific details, he may also be saying, look, we have to wait a number of more years before we can tell the whole story.
But my point of view personally is, as a person who has come, lived in the United States and been a journalist and a writer, is at least in this government structure, that we as a public, we need to know more about what the truth is because it may affect our future.
And that's the part that I think is the hard nut to crack.
The government has a story it doesn't know how to tell, but it also is representing a public that by constitutional rights has a right to know and by future rights should know in order to make some kind of informed comment or reaction to what may unfold next year or the year after.
And that's the hard part.
And it may be something that would be worth asking the radio listeners.
If they were in the shoes of an administration and they were faced with the complete and total knowledge that we had another intelligence interacting with this planet that was other than human and more sophisticated, would it make sense to inform the entire planet now, or would there be arguments to perpetuate the policy of silence?
That would be a very interesting question to debate.
Of course, once a lie has been told, the older it gets, I think, the more momentum is accrued toward continuing the lie.
That's the problem.
It gets bigger and bigger and bigger every year, and when you finally admitted it, or if you were to announce it, you would be revealing the fact that for this X number of years, you had been lying to the American public.
And there was one government guy, and I really believe he was talking heartfelt.
He said to me, this goes back many years ago, he said, the people associated with me referred to it as MJ-12.
And I think of MJ-12 now as like the word Kleenex or Xerox or kind of a generic term that simply means people on the inside who have had the very difficult challenge of writing an almost impossible story of contact with another intelligence that we don't comprehend and it apparently does not comprehend us very well.
That this MJ-12 generic term would refer to people that this man said, this was the quote to me, they would rather be dead before this story comes out.
Now, the only reason that I can think about that is that it has been such a complex horse to ride, so to speak, of dealing with other knowledge that was completely outside of the experience of the planet as a whole on a natural day-to-day basis.
And that there were certain people in our government and other governments who had knowledge that was completely outside of the day-to-day survival and activities of our planet.
And that over the last 50 years that they have had to make the hardest decisions about whether or not they kept this information to themselves and monitored whatever was going on, or would they reveal part of it?
If they revealed part of the story about contacts from another intelligence, how far would it unravel?
How big would the story go?
And then the only issue would be of our social and money and all of that, would it remain in the same status flow as it exists?
And it may be that the government has had psychiatrists and psychologists and various other people hired telling them, once you open this Pandora's box, you have to be ready with answers or you're going to have an unruly mass on your hands.
And if anything like that happened to Art, the policy of silence by government may not be as insidious as it has been portrayed sometimes.
It may actually have been an act of benevolence, an effort to ignorance is bliss.
And in the long run, here we are sitting at the transition of centuries.
And it may be that there are a lot of people, we'll call it, inside this generic MJ-12, using that simply as a symbol of people on the inside and not knowing what it's called now.
So, and when you start with Chad, who is a true friend and colleague, this showover to the quad circles raises this interesting question that Colin Andrews, George Wingfield, and others three, four years ago said,
why is it that the English Army seems to be, and that's not proven, but seems to be involved with creating hoaxes in the quad circles in order to convince the rest of the world that there's nothing to this phenomenon but a hoax.
We know that the science says the hoax does not answer it.
Why would the English military have been called into action to create something to cover it up?
This back to the 90 and 91 research that was done where BBC TV, Nippon Television, others brought infrared, they brought star scopes,
they brought a whole series of cameras and higher tech technology into the cross-circle summers with the idea that they would track it, watch it, monitor it for two weeks at a time and see if they could find anything that would give them an insight as to how these circles were made.
During one of those watches, it found in the middle of a circle that there was a Bible, some sticks, and some candles, and very odd things.
Colin Andrews said at the time, George Wingfold said at the time, that they had sources inside of England who said that the Army in England had been, or people were telling them, that the Army had been ordered by someone to put those particular elements, a Bible and a candle and some various odd things, inside of the middle of a circle.
Whole point being that they were trying to move the crop circles apparently into some kind of, for lack of a better word, we'll just say occult or mystical association and to take it completely away from the possibility that there actually was something from somewhere else in the universe perhaps involved with our planet.
None of us know who is making the crop circles, but the fact that people were in England and getting, we'll call it underground, non-proven, but at least so-called confidential sources saying that the military was even involved in keeping the story quiet.
My guest, Chad Dietkin, is founder of Pacific Research.
He has been conducting extensive investigations into the crop circle phenomenon since 1990, both in Canada and in England.
His specialty, detecting and photographing physical anomalies, which cannot be accounted for, repeating, which cannot be accounted for by hoaxing.
In 1992, he was a member of Project Argus, the most extensive scientific research effort to date.
His findings provided a substantial portion of the Argus report and were recently reprinted in the MUFON Journal.
He is founder of Pacific Research.
As I said, he has written many articles as well as an 18-page report on Canadian crop circles.
He's been interviewed numerous times on radio, television, and in the newspapers, and has lectured in Vancouver, Bath, Glastonbury, England, and the Whole Life UFO Conference in New York.
Although he works independently, he is in close contact with key researchers such as Colin Andrews, George Wingfield, Dr. W.C. Leavengood, and many others.
Well, Art, I've been interested in UFOs in the past, but not more than most ordinary citizens.
Until 1990, when I saw a T V show, Unsolved Mysteries, it was on crop circles.
It was quite a good show, and that was the first time I'd ever been exposed to the crop circle phenomenon.
And once I heard about the facts of this strange phenomenon, I realized immediately that there was something very, very odd going on that we cannot explain in any way in traditional terms.
Our science and technology was not able to explain what was going on here.
It seemed to me that it was like a door that was opening to possibly another dimension.
It's very, very difficult to trace it back throughout history, although we do find occasional references to a phenomenon that appears to be similar to crop circles.
But it really came into public prominence in the late 70s and early 80s.
And the reason for that is because they started appearing in numbers in one particular area of the world, and that is in south-central England in an area of Stonehenge, Apebury, Silbury, megalithic monuments dating back to pre-Druid times.
During the early 80s, the numbers were quite minor.
There were maybe three, four, five, half a dozen per year.
And progressively, each year, we saw more and more.
And Colin Andrews and Pat Delgado were one of the first researchers that started investigating this on a full-time basis.
That fellow is Robert Irving that we had in the phone booth with us.
Now the approach I take to crop circles is it's a physical investigation.
I look at the actual way the stems are bent, any sort of anomalous effects on the ground, etcetera, etc.
I look for footprints and any other signs that I can find in trying to determine whether a person could have been responsible for this.
When we're talking about crop circles to the public, I think this is the most important thing to address because that is the most obvious answer that comes to people's minds: is that all these things are just hoax, and it's a bunch of college students or whatnot having fun with researchers, and that the more us researchers look at the phenomenon, the more people try to have fun with it.
So I think it's important to lay this to rest.
There's no doubt in my mind whatsoever.
And I've spent four years at this art, that people, although there have been some hoaxes perpetrated, that people simply are not involved in the vast majority of these crop circles.
We allowed them to make a cross circle in ideal conditions, in daylight, in other words.
All across the vast majority of crop circles were made at night.
We allowed them to use ideal conditions.
They only got halfway done in their lot of time.
They had to quit.
The other reason they quit is because the result was very obviously quite pathetic.
Most of the stocks are still standing up.
They popped up.
It looked quite a mess.
There was no beautiful flow to the lay of the crop at all.
And when you look at an authentic one, most of them have incredibly beautiful lay.
They're perfectly pressed flat to the ground.
They look like they've been combed into place.
When the light is shining off them, they have a tremendous sheen to them.
It's just a very beautiful thing to behold.
And none of these people, seven days rather than origin snuggles, have ever been able to produce anything in public but look like a real current.
So that's one reason.
Another reason is that there are so many anonymous effects that I have photographed and recurring that simply can't be done by the human hand.
And some of these effects are multiple layering.
It's where you get the intersection of, say, a path with a ring or a path with a circle.
I have seen as many as four different layers.
And it's not just one layer of crop on top of the other going in different directions, but they're interwoven with each other without any damage to the stocks.
You'll have to remember that the stalks are very brittle.
Most of the formations of Fluor lead in the harvest season and they're very dried out.
You try to bend them the slightest bit and they will crink or break.
Are you suggesting that the stalks are so brittle that pressed as they are in the making of the circle, whatever it is that does it, they should have broken?
Yes, and we've looked at every possible explanation.
And like initially, we're just trying to eliminate people because they've caused us the most problems, the claims of hoaxes.
So we tried to eliminate those.
And with what I've described, and there are literally dozens of other things I have noted that simply couldn't be done by human beings.
Not only that, but I've approached Robert Irving and Doug Bauer of the Doug and Dave team, asked them about these strange anomalous effects, and they didn't even have any idea what I was talking about.
They had no idea what I was talking about to them.
Their answer to me was simply that we just make them.
Well, those two fellows claimed that they were doing it for fun.
It started out as a prank.
And because of the response that they got from us, the attention, that they discontinued it and did more and more and more.
Now, first of all, you have to realize that there have been over 3,000 formations just in England since the early 80s.
So these two guys are trying to claim having done 3,000 formations only during the three months in summer, pretty well, because that's the time you find crop circles, sneaking out at night, three times a week, without their wives knowing that they were out in a field, spending at least four to six hours at night, usually in very dismal conditions.
If you've ever been to England, even in the summer, you know it's pretty rough out there.
A lot of rain, cold, dank, muddy fields, and that they were doing this for fun.
What evidence is there, Chad, that whatever is doing this is also doing it in other areas.
Is there any evidence of that at all?
In other words, is there any distur is there ever any disturbed dirt or anything else that would indicate that had there been a crop there, you would have ended up with a crop circle, if you follow me, in any point other than in the middle of some farmer's crop?
We get many, many reports from people that we can't substantiate.
We get no photographs or real proof.
We have had several reports of circles in trees, but we haven't been able to substantiate that.
I've heard of a few in ice fields in the north and a few other odd places, but again, we have no evidence of this.
I take it just to be mistaken identity.
And the numbers have been so small that we're not even paying much attention to them.
I would say 99.5% at least of all the ones that have been reported to us have been in crops, which is a very interesting phenomenon in itself because I look at the I don't know what the intelligence is that's making these, but I know it's not an earthly intelligence.
Whatever it is, if I were them and I were trying to leave traces on Earth to get people's attention, I couldn't think of a better canvas than wheat fields or any kind of planted crop, because if nobody sees it at the time that it's created, it will certainly be found by the farmer at harvest time.
It's an absolute guarantee that it will be found.
And you can't put it anywhere else on this planet where you get an absolute guarantee it will be seen.
When you're looking for some sign of a message, and I realize that I may be looking out of my own dimension or within my own dimension and not looking out of mine, you look for anything we would understand, as you suggested, planetary symbols, some sort of language, some repetitive nature to what's being done, something that would tell you that it's an intelligence rather than a random occurrence.
Now, obviously you were unable to examine every one of them that occurred, or even perhaps most of them.
But in those you did examine, did you ever find one that you declared a fake for one that you thought perhaps a farmer did to attract attention or charge admission or whatever?
There have been very, very few farmers, and they've all been in England, who have charged admission.
And I really sympathize with their plight.
When they get a crop formation in their field, first of all, because it's laying so flat, they literally lose hundreds of dollars in lost harvest because they can't pick it up anymore.
Not only that, but people will go charging into their fields from all different angles, tromping through more crops.
They're faced with a loss, and simply what they're really trying to do is recover some of that loss.
And it's not a profit-making kind of thing.
They never make up for the loss.
They have to have somebody in place.
They have to pay this person to collect the money.
And they really don't get enough people looking at them to make it worthwhile.
They're just I only know of two or three farmers that have done this to date out of the thousands of circles we've seen.
He has taken on looking at crop samples in his laboratory.
He spent thousands of hours, literally, last three years, looking at this.
What he has just recently come up with, first of all, he didn't know what to look for, so it took him quite a long time to know what part of the plant to look for, what changes to look for, etc.
He has just come out with his recent report, which is quite definitive.
This is a real bright light for us in trying to prove the difference between a hoax circle or something like wind damage and the real phenomenon.
What he has found, just to put it very simply, is in the cell wall of the plant, especially around the seed head, there's what is called a microfibril tissue.
Now that is a tissue that looks like cheesecloths when you blow it up on a microscope.
And this allows for the transfer of nutrients between the cells.
In this tissue, through this tissue, is an ion transfer.
And he has found that in affected crops, the ion transfer is much greater than in an unaffected crop.
These microfibril tissue holes that I would call them were the ions that the ions transferred through are enlarged, substantially enlarged, allowing for a faster, freer flow of ions.
And that you will not find in a mechanically damaged stock or in wind damage or any other form, only in affected crops.
About the only known way that he has come up with is through microwave activity.
He has put stocks into microwave ovens and blasted them for 20 seconds or something of that nature and has gotten not identical but similar effect, which leads us to believe that the energy involved in this is of a microwave nature.
Not saying it is microwave.
We're just saying it's something similar to microwave.
This is going to begin to get a little technical, Chad, but it may well be that the microwave frequency used on the stocks would determine or would vary the effect on the stocks and on the membrane.
the cell wall tissue you're talking about.
I wonder if Dr. Levengood has experimented at all with varying the microwave frequency.
Since it started before 1978, we have a few cases that go back into the 60s.
It's unlikely that we had that sort of technology then, and we certainly don't have it even today, not that we know of.
Also, the amount of energy required would kill, literally kill animals in the field, such as mice, hedgehogs, birds, insects, and things of that nature.
But what I'm saying, Chad, is whether it was Star Wars technology that would produce something or microwave energy of that magnitude, or whether it's alien, shouldn't the effect on the animals be the same?
It's one of these oddities that we can't we don't know what to make of it because we haven't seen it before.
But one possible explanation here is that porcupines, their natural response to danger is not to run away like all other animals would, it's to curl up in a ball.
And that is possibly what happened.
This unfortunate creature was caught in an area that was about to be turned into a crop circle, rolled up in a ball, and got caught by the energy and killed.
Not on this one, because by the time we found out, it was too late to do a laboratory analysis.
But from that case, a farmer phoned me and said that in 1989, he had had a similar case, and this is the only other one we know of, of a dead porcupine found in a crop circle.
He didn't know at the time that it was a crop circle.
He called the police.
He suspected it was some sort of satanic ritual that occurred in his field.
He called the RCMP.
They took tissue samples from the porcupine or the remains of the porcupine.
It was mostly a blackened area, about three feet by three feet.
The only thing that was left of the porcupine were the quills and the bones.
It was completely blackened in sort of a soot, covered in sort of a soot.
The stalks of wheat were unaffected.
It was only the animal itself.
They sent some samples off to the laboratory to find out if there was any burning involved, as from a fire, because they did suspect it was satanic worship.
The laboratory report came back and it was negative.
And unfortunately, they didn't do any more testing on it than that.
But again, these are the only two cases we know of for whatever reason.
Now, again, getting back to the Star Wars technology, you would have to ask yourself: if this is what's going on, then why would they choose such heavily populated areas in central England to carry out these experiments?
Somebody would be sure to be killed at some point.
There are people in the fields practically every night watching fields, watching for new formations being formed.
In England, in particular, because of the rain and the stiff winds they get occasionally and the rolling hills, which catches the wind at odd angles, there's a lot of damage to the fields.
I've seen fields that were up to 75% damaged, flattened, or mostly flattened.
The crop circles bear no resemblance whatsoever to any kind of wind damage that anybody has ever seen.
They are like cookie cutters stamped out.
Very, very clean, clear, defined edges.
Whereas wind damage is just what you would expect.
Undefined, usually very lengthy corridors where the wind touches down and then picks up again.
Other than that, there have been lights reported at night, and a few times in the daytime, and we have this on film, silvery objects were seen skimming across the tops of wheat fields.
And strangely enough, these objects were very small, anywhere from a foot to three feet in diameter, but shiny, silvery objects, self-propelled evidence, obviously.
You can see from their motion.
But other than that, there were a few other reports of strange lights like Ferris wheels in the sky.
But I myself have not seen any of these.
The best I can tell you is that one night we were on a crop watch and there was a tremendous flash on the horizon.
It seemed to be quite a ways away, sort of like sheet lightning.
But in fact, it was very close to us.
All the lights went out in the village where I was staying.
And the electric company had no idea why the lights went out and they had no idea what the flash was.
We do have night vision equipment and I personally use a camera.
I have a wide angle lens on it.
I put it on a tripod and I'll take time exposures from anywhere from five minutes to half an hour and then see what I get on the photograph the next day.
In one particular incident, this is the best one I've been on.
We mostly come up empty-handed, but in one incident, there was a very large formation in a field, and that was in August of this year.
Beautiful formation, very, very spectacular, very strange anomalous effects in the lay.
I had a very powerful feeling that this field was super energized, and I wanted to go back that same night.
I thought something else might happen.
So I went back in my car with a friend, and we parked on a hill overlooking the field.
We sat there, I took pictures, we sat there until about 2:30 in the morning.
It was quite cold, and we just got cold and tired, and we didn't want to leave the car running all night.
First thing in the morning to see us, there was a brand new addition to the crop circle that we had been watching.
It's really typical, Art, when they're not being watched, things happen, even to your back sometimes.
2020, which is ABC-TV program, they did a night watch a few years back, sitting on top of a hill with very sophisticated camera equipment with about a dozen people.
They were looking down in a field where they've had a lot of formation and had the cameras running all night.
Next morning when the sun came up, they looked down, there was nothing.
And somebody said, oh my God, look to your back.
Right behind them in a field behind, there was a huge formation.
Then you share, really, the same frustration that the people trying to research this UFO phenomenon do.
It just, it occurs and occurs and keeps occurring, but not so that you can carefully and scientifically document it and almost seems to avoid areas where there are researchers or affirms, as you have just said.
Project Argus was funded mostly by a very generous grant from the Bigelow Foundation.
And it was an effort, an international effort, by about two dozen, two to three dozen people.
About half of them were scientists.
We went out and we used all kinds of electronic instruments, anything that we could think of to try to determine mostly what the energy is that's involved in this, to try to detect it coming from the sky, from the ground.
We try to find traces of radiation in the crop and the soil.
We took soil samples and sent them back to have them analyzed in the labs.
Yes, I was going to suggest, Chad, what about the possibility, if there is the funding, for some sort of microwave energy sensor with sensors placed in a lot of likely locations?
That might yield some information since it seems to be a microwave radiation doing this, or maybe.
The final conclusions of the report were that electronically we weren't able to detect anything.
But again, with the physical anomalous effect on the ground and other things that we couldn't really put under a microscope, we continued to gather tantalizing information.
When you put it all together, you cannot get a full picture of it.
But we're gathering more and more information.
What really came out of Project Argus is that we were able to eliminate tests that we didn't need to do anymore because we have quite frankly exhausted them, which is very helpful.
It tends to focus our project for the following years.
And this year, as I mentioned, microwave was one of the detections.
Would you ask him for me if he's considered experimenting with varying the microwave frequency and trying to produce an identical effect to the one he absorbs on the SAIR tissue?
That might yield some interesting results if you could actually pin down the rough frequency that's being used.
He told me about it was about a year ago when he was doing this, but something in the nature of a now don't quote me exactly on this, but it's something in the nature of a 20 to 30 second blast of microwave energy from a household microwave oven.
Now you have to remember that this is very, very close quarters.
And to get the same effect from an airplane or satellite, the energy is absolutely mind-boggling, and we simply don't have a microwave generator that is capable of creating that much power.
And again, it would be so incredibly dangerous that somebody would have been killed by now.
Or at least somebody would have detected the energy.
Getting back to Dr. Loving, I did a test myself on germination.
He did some germination tests.
In other words, taking the seeds from crop circles and from control samples outside of the crop circles to get a comparison and germinating them under laboratory conditions.
I did this under laboratory conditions at home, and the results were the same as his.
Very odd.
The seeds from the crop circle germinated much faster and at a much higher rate than the seeds from outside.
Perhaps up until now it's been to get our attention, and maybe once our attention is fully focused, we'll begin to see some sort of message or but documentably, you're suggesting every year we're getting more crop circles.
One is that there's an energy involved in allowing the wheat to go down.
And the other one is that it is guided, just like a paintbrush.
I look at the whole phenomenon like an artist, using the energy like a paintbrush to draw on a canvas of wheat these spectacular patterns to gain our attention.
That's the closest analogy I can make.
And not only that, but I see different if you would have entities or artists involved.
There's some similarities between some of the formations.
You can almost see that the same entity is involved in certain ones.
They have certain characteristics that are similar.
And that goes for Canada comparing with some of the ones I've seen in England.
Some are very, very sophisticated, incredibly beautifully laid down.
Others are much more childlike in their nature and maybe not quite as well laid down.
And also, there are varying amounts of energy that are applied.
Some are flat to the ground.
Others are maybe just a few inches off the ground.
They haven't been completely pressed down, as if less energy was involved.
And I might add, Ed, Art, that not only am I looking at the physical anomaly, the anomalous effects in the field itself, like in the stocks and the soil, etc., but also the strange effects that are noted on equipment that we've been using.
For one thing, I and most people have noted headaches as we walk into the crop circle.
Quite pronounced.
Not a painful headache, but just like somebody put their hand on your brain and started squeezing a little bit.
And this sensation ends once you leave the area.
Not in all of them, but in a lot of them.
And in one formation, I always have a tape recorder, a little pocket tape recorder.
I put it in the center of the formation where the center swirl is and lay it on the ground and I just let it record while I'm photographing and doing my measurements and things.
Because in the past, there have been electronic beepings and chirpings that have been recorded.
So I'm just curious to see if I can pick any of this up.
In this one particular incident, the tape recorder recorded for a full hour.
When I took it back and listened to it, I realized that the entire recording from beginning to end ran at half speed.
Exactly at half speed.
And I know that because you can hear us talking occasionally, you can hear voices.
The whole thing ran at half speed.
It wasn't because the batteries were going dead, because it wasn't declining in speed.
It was exactly the same speed.
This tape recorder is not capable of recording at any other speed.
And it's never done it before.
It's never done it since.
There's nothing wrong with the unit.
I've had it analyzed.
In that same formation, a German film crew came in and wanted to film me pointing out these anomalies on the ground.
We went ahead with it.
They had a fully charged battery pack.
They had a needle on their camera that showed the full charge.
The battery pack normally lasts about 35 to 40 minutes.
Their battery was flat, completely stone dead within eight minutes.
Two of us had mechanical cameras like Pentaxis with no electronics.
The third person had a fully electronic camera.
Everything was electronics, $800 camera.
He could not get a photograph of one particular formation when he flew over it.
The camera jammed every single time.
Yet when he aimed it out the other side of the window of the plane, it worked perfectly.
And every time he aimed it back at the crops formation down below, it jammed on him.
He never did get a picture of it.
That also is quite common.
Or film that won't develop.
You take pictures, and the photographs of one particular formation are all blank, whereas everything else is perfectly perfectly in focus, perfectly exposed.
Well, that would certainly indicate the presence of some sort of energy.
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Chad, are you there?
All right, if you're up to it, I would like to let you subject you to a little bit of the great unwashed American public with questions.
Yes, two questions, one for Mr. Bell and one for Mr. Deakin.
First, Mr. Bell, you mentioned that Defense Secretary Dezing at Inman had been asked by a Northern investigator about MG12, but you did not mention what Mr. Inman's reaction was.
It was kind of a side side topic from what we're now on.
So you had a question otherwise?
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Yes, Mr. Deakin.
I'm interested in whether in Project Argus you had more fully explored the Star Wars technology, microwaves or lasers as possibly being a cause of the crop circles.
And whether now you mentioned that the you had determined that excess energy would have to be involved, which would have killed mice and hedgehogs.
But I understand that there is a very finely focused, finely tuned technology involved with the Star Wars technology, which would be able, perhaps by computerized programs to create interweaving or multilayering.
And I'm interested in what you're whether you've explored This more deeply.
Again, I'm interested in what Mr. Brown's reaction is to the first question, but I'll hurry up and let you answer.
First of all, we have literally several hundred miles to cover, even though most of these crop formations are happening in a relatively small area, say 30 miles, 30-mile circular area.
It's difficult to cover all the fields and to get the instrumentation in there.
But I would just say again that since crop circles were known before the late 1970s, we have some cases, including in Canada.
It's hard to imagine that this sort of technology, even if it exists today, which I highly doubt, and most of us doubt this, that it would have existed back then.
When there's so much attention, when there are literally hundreds and hundreds of people around in very, very close proximity to these, it just seems like it's too dangerous.
And if the government were carrying out secret experiments, wouldn't they be more inclined to do it in a closed-off area, say like Area 51, where the public can't get into?
Why would they choose a populated area?
There are many, many aspects that we have thought about that simply don't add up.
Well, where Rocketson, the craft circle, atmosphere at the same time, wild and spoiled, and grappling the same experience as people have who absorb UFOs or who have become abducted by UFOs, claim that the atmosphere around them became totally still and quiet at the time of their abduction and um it just seems like they're uh you see a relationship there
And looking at all the facts, Art, most of us would have to say that the UFO connection is probably the strongest, even though we don't have any absolute evidence.
There is a delay system here, everybody, so please when you get on the air, immediately turn your radio off.
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There was a story I heard recently about a crop circle that when they looked at the pattern on the crop circle, they found a coin inside the crop circle that had the same pattern printed on it.
Number one, don't let anybody into it until a researcher has been there.
This is really, really critical for us, especially for me.
I need to get in there before anybody else does to check for footprints, before the stocks are crushed, before any damage has been done to it, to try to get some samples, to do the photography, to look at it very closely.
After I or other people like me have spent, say, two, three, four hours in it, then it could be open to the public.
Now, this is really difficult, but that's the one thing I always ask of farmers.
Please, please, please save it in its pristine form until we get there.
In Canada, I'm trying to cover 600,000 square miles.
In England, we're talking about a very small area with a lot of rolling hills.
The vast majority of the crop circles are discovered either by the farmer or by somebody driving by first thing in the morning because there's hills all over and they're easily seen.
Well, if you get a call, Chad, that one's occurred somewhere, even if you did go and investigate, presumably most times they're hundreds or maybe even thousands of miles away.
You can't possibly get there fast enough to do any research before, you know, a whole herd of people have gone over it.
Uh last year I was fortunate enough to be called by a farmer who I knew from before.
He phoned me up and said he had a brand new crop circle in Oats.
It was a circle with a ring around it.
He asked me if I wanted to come out and look at it.
A few people had already been there, and I said, well, okay, I'll do it.
I may not get another chance in Canada this year.
So I flew out to see it.
I got there about noon the next day, and a brand new one had formed that very night.
He knew it wasn't there before.
It was within sight of the road.
Not a well-traveled road because he had traveled by it that evening on his way home.
It wasn't there in the evening.
It was there the first thing in the morning.
He knew I was coming, so he didn't tell anybody, and he watched it from across the road to make sure nobody else would go into it.
He didn't touch it.
I was the first one into that.
And that was a really precious one for me.
It wasn't very complex, but it was really important.
I spent six hours in it, crawling on my hands and knees, starting from the very outside, looking for footprints for one in the soil.
Very dry soil.
I didn't find one single clot of earth disturbed, pressed down, or disturbed in any way.
In this particular formation, the wheat this one occurred in wheat, although the one he phoned me about was in oats.
The wheat wasn't completely pressed flat to the ground.
It was a few inches off the ground, which showed that if anybody had done it with an instrument, you would not have had the wheat popped up a few inches.
So no physical object of any kind had been in this crop circle, which proved to me, this was one of the rare cases, that no human was involved in this.
It could not possibly have been.
Also, in Canada, we don't have any tram lines like they do in England, sort of tractor marks.
There's no way to get into the field without leaving a trail.
I had a conversation with Paul Winfield this last week here in Las Vegas at the UFO convention.
Apparently, he said, and I was in search of, because I'm studying the old ancient Hebrew text and ancient languages in correlation with the crop circles.
It appeared to me at first when I started doing this that if anybody was going to try and give us a message, the first things they'd do is send us their alphabet.
And if the simplest crop circles are a form of teaching us their alphabet, the more that we've had time to study them, the more complex the sentences would be.
I asked him if he had a copy of any research done on the chronological order of appearance and locations.
And he said to date he doesn't know of anybody that has a listing of chronological order of appearance.
Do you know where I could get hold of something like that?
But it seems to me that if the government had anything to do with it, they certainly wouldn't be doing it in a field and immediately going out and erasing it.
And if it is in fact a message, then it means that whoever is trying to give the common people the message, the government doesn't want the common people to know what the message is.
You know, it appears to me that some of these crop circle formations resemble schematics for electronic circuits, especially if you place them in certain configurations.
Also, it appears to me that some of the characteristics of the crop formations, like you were saying, you couldn't take pictures of certain ones, certain anomalies involved with the formation of the circles have characteristics of.
I don't know if you're familiar with Wilhelm Reich and his experimentations with Oregon energy.
A lot of the characteristics that are displayed in these crop circles were the same type of effects that he got with Oregon Energy.
All right, puzzle after puzzle, more questions and answers.
Wildcard line three, good evening.
You're on the air with Chad Deacon.
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Good evening.
This is Fritz Carl.
Yes.
I told you that I announced that tomorrow, Monday, the Mandela Williams show will also have a UFO program.
For those out there in the UFO land, I'm sure you're going to tune in.
Now, I would say this.
It is my firm belief that the crop circle phenomena is definitely connected with UFOs, but with our current level of scientific knowledge and understanding, and Chad just pointed out, it is very difficult to analyze that pattern.
After all, it is a conditioning process for what I call from below.
But my scenario is this, that about 1,000 or 2,000 feet in a different dimension sits the spacecraft looking through a dimensional window and just like a slight projection to a screen to focus and put a crop circle formation to our awareness.
Since we don't look up, perhaps they catch our eyes looking down.
For one thing, we're looking at the crop circles not just in a two-dimensional plane, but in a three-dimensional plane, and we're using computer graphics to try to do that.
And as far as trying to find out where this intelligence is coming from, it could very well be from another dimension, another...
Toward that end, Chad, have they taken a computer and modeled these circles in different dimensions, looking for some sense to them in other dimensions, as if, for example, you...
you would view them from the side rather than from above?
There's a lot of work being done in that right now.
It's relatively new, and we have a long ways to go yet.
What we're finding, Art, getting back to the language and symbolism, possibly electronic circuits or whatever, we're finding a very interesting mathematical relationship in the crop circles.
It's based on the diatonic scale, which is a musical scale.
Taking the diameters and the distances that circles are apart from each other and the width of paths that connect them, et cetera, et cetera, there's a very, very interesting relationship there.
So possibly, if there is a language, it may be mathematical, and maybe they are trying to talk to us on that level, a very simple mathematical level.
Gerald Hawkins has done a lot of work on that.
Nothing definite yet, but the most tantalizing area yet to be explored is the mathematical aspect.
And the other thing is that I was in England in 1978 around Stonehenge and traveling around the country and remember seeing these large indentations in these very low-cut grass fields.
And it was almost like looking at a golf course and seeing these big round circles that had little channels going into other circles.
And there was also mounds that were protruding above the ground that were very strange.
And I never got an explanation for those.
What year was that?
In 77.
77.
That is pretty well pre-crop circle time.
They may have been mounds, burial mounds.
I've been to Stonehenge several times, and all around Stonehenge are very little mounds.
They're only about four to ten feet high.
And they keep them cover them in grass.
They're not cross, in fact, they're grass, and they keep them closely cropped.
But I don't really know what you were looking at, but I doubt if it was cross-circle.
Well, they're not really crop circles, but the other things that were just right on the ground and indentions in the ground, maybe eight inches deep, and perfect circles, and just everything seemed very symmetrical, and they were just all over the countryside.
Could they have been ancient excavations or excavations for the stones, the large stones that they built Stonehenge with?
In a cropped circle, you don't get an indentation in the ground.
There's no physical imprint whatsoever.
It's only the crop that is bent, flattened to the ground.
Chad, again, you know, if that kind of radiation was used, or some sort of radiation, one would think that it would also affect the microorganisms that are normally found teeming in fertile earth.
And would that not be another area of investigation?
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I'm sorry we didn't get you all in.
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