That's the worst part of this. No, none of it was effective. You know, I say this all the time, Joe. It's like a kick in my gut to have to compliment the FBI. But if there's one thing that the FBI is really good at, its interrogations, they've been doing interrogations effectively since the Nuremberg trials in 1945 and 46, these guys know what they're doing. And so with Abu Zubaydah as an example, we captured Abu Zubaydah. And normally overseas, the CIA has primacy. Domestically, the FBI has primacy. But 9-11 was still an open criminal investigation. And so we sent Abu Zubaydah out to the secret site and the FBI took over. The CIA was furious about this. But there was an FBI agent by the name of Ali Soufan who did exactly as he was trained to do. And he began to engage Abu Zubaydah in a conversation. And Abu Zubaydah just gave him the silent treatment for weeks. This went on for weeks. But you go in, you offer him a cup of coffee, you offer him an orange. If he's cooperative, you'll let him write a letter to his mother, you know, whatever. And finally, he opened up and he gave us actionable intelligence that saved American lives.