Jimmy Kimmel basically had no viewers. He was like a tree falling in the forest, and nobody hears it fall, so did it make a sound.
How about Joe Rogan, who consistently does have the biggest show in English speaking in the world? His average show, the main show, is watched 30 million times. And then large chunks are watched another 100 million.
Tucker Carlson's in the top three English speaking shows in the world. Conservatively 30, 40 million viewers a day.
You look at the ratings and go, ABC Nightly News, 2 million viewers.
Nick Fuentez's Nightly Show, 20 million viewers.