But for example, at the beginning of the book, Bertin Hirsch, member of the Council of Foreign Relations, says that John Maynard Keynes, Walter Lippmann, and other Fabian socialists were the key architects of America's transition out of the older non-interventionist model and into this international socialist force for the doctrine of expanding Americanism, not in the sense of like free trade and that kind of stuff, or not in the sense of Keynesian, Austrian economics. Excuse me, I should say they did promote free trade, but not because of Austrian economics. We're talking about Keynesianism.