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Sheriff Mack – It’s Time For Sheriffs To Remember Their Oath & Assist In Deportation

Richard Mack, the former Sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, served in law enforcement for 20 years. In 1988 he was elected to the office of Sheriff in his hometown and served as such for eight years. In 1991 he graduated from the FBI Academy. Sheriff Mack is the Founder and President of the Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association- This organization that brings citizens, law enforcement, sheriffs, and elected officials together. He has provided hundreds of training seminars to Sheriffs, Police, and Public Officials in all 50 states and in several other countries across the world.  He has also appeared on CNN, FOX, MSNBC,CBS, ABC, Newsmax, NYTimes, LA Times, USA Today, and over 1,000 networks worldwide 

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Hi, and welcome to the X22 Report Spotlight.
Today we have a returning guest, Sheriff Mack.
1988, he was elected to the office of sheriff in his hometown and served as such for eight years.
In 1991, he graduated from the FEI Academy.
Sheriff Mack is the founder and president of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.
This organization brings citizens, law enforcement sheriffs, and elected officials together.
He has provided hundreds of training seminars to sheriffs, police, and public officials in all 50 states and in several other countries across the world.
He has also appeared on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Newsmax, New York Times, LA Times, USA Today, and over a thousand networks worldwide.
I'll be putting all the links to his organization below the video.
And I am very happy and honored to have Sheriff Mac on the X22 Report Spotlight.
Sheriff, welcome to the spotlight.
Well, Dave, thanks so much for having me.
I appreciate being here.
I love coming home to X22, so thanks again.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming on once again.
And I mean, we're seeing a lot happening in this country right now.
And we see ICE, they're deporting a lot of the illegals that were brought in during Joe Biden's term.
And Trump ran on this platform to get rid of the illegals.
And we're starting to see individuals come out and fight against ICE.
And it's not just those on the streets, it's also mayors and governors and legislators in certain states.
They're also fighting against ICE where they're going after certain individuals.
What is your take on this?
How do you see all of this?
It's astonishing that attorneys general across the country, some mayors, some governors, the AG from Arizona.
And I just saw another AG say the same thing, and I can't remember what state it was, but one of the woke blue states, just so astonishing.
And they call, and then they suggest that it would be lawful to shoot an ICE agent, that any citizen would be able to shoot an ICE agent because they have a mask on.
Well, nobody said we could shoot people that walked into banks four years ago that had a mask on.
But now they're saying shoot officers who are in uniform, and just because they have a mask on, they're shootable.
And so it's talk like that that makes you really wonder how they can actually criticize Trump for anything.
This is so out of line and such egregious behavior for a public official to actually say something like that is just totally astonishing.
It's absolute inexcusable, deplorable behavior, and it's disgusting.
And it's so un-American.
And they're the ones that caused this problem in the first place.
And the biggest threat, this lady was saying this morning, I didn't even see her.
She had earmuffs on, so she was in a cold place.
Maybe it was Minnesota.
And she was saying how that the greatest threat to Homeland Security is Homeland Security.
What a farce.
Because I got news for her.
Why don't you look at what's going on in the country and tell me where the problems exist and tell me where they don't exist?
How about Florida?
Florida is still having people that protest.
None of them are being arrested.
None of them are going to jail.
None of them are obstructing.
None of them are threatening federal officers or anyone else.
And oh, there's something else.
All 67 sheriffs in Florida voted along with to support Governor DeSantis in getting rid of the illegal aliens in the state.
I have yet to hear one Democrat say, yes, we need to get rid of the drug dealers, the cartels, the gangs, the murderers, the rapists, the human traffickers, the sexual exploitation of children.
None of them.
I have not heard one of them say, we don't mind and we would like to work with the federal government in getting rid of these horrible, horrible criminals.
We don't support the ones that just came here illegally.
We don't support attacking them.
But we do want to get rid of these others.
And we understand that that is a necessity for our society.
Oh, no, none of that.
These people are totally supporting the gangs and the cartels and the international terrorists, Hamas and ISIS.
Could they be asking anyone worse to come into our country than what they've done?
No.
It is the most disgusting thing I've ever seen in my life and the most disgusting thing in American history that I've ever seen.
And so again, let's look at Florida.
All 67 sheriffs voted to participate and cooperate and try to get these criminals out of their state.
Wow.
Sheriffs and law enforcement trying to get rid of criminals.
Minnesota is doing just the opposite.
And I've got to ask, I've worked with these sheriffs in Minnesota before several times.
Where are you, sheriffs?
These are happening.
These things are happening in your jurisdiction.
Most of these major cities are part of your counties.
And I want to know.
And the people of your state and your county want to know what you are doing to help things be safe for protesters and for federal agents.
What are you doing?
And that's really the solution.
If you look at Minnesota and then look at Florida, what's the difference?
They're working together and they're trying to cooperate to make things safer for everyone.
Minnesota?
No.
Well, out in Minnesota, I mean, the law enforcement, who's telling them to stand down?
I mean, number one, as a law enforcement individual, don't you have a constitutional responsibility to follow the rule of law?
Number two.
Of course you do.
Of course.
So, I mean, are they then in violation of the law if they're not upholding the law?
Well, they don't, no one can force the sheriffs or local law enforcement to cooperate if they don't want to.
And I don't believe that that would be, it would be immoral for them not to help.
But is it a crime not to help?
And I would say maybe not, probably not, because they're not in charge of protecting the border.
They're not in charge of naturalization or in Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution, to protect our borders from invasion.
It doesn't say that.
Do they have a moral responsibility to help?
Yes.
And they should be.
But they cannot be forced one way or the other.
But they cannot interfere.
And if they see anyone else interfering in their jurisdiction, they have an obligation to stop that.
But all of this would be so much easier for everyone and safer for citizen and agents alike if the sheriffs and local law enforcement were cooperating.
But when you have governors and mayors and chiefs of police saying, no, we're not going to help and we're not going, we're okay with shooting these federal agents.
That's just absolutely so egregious.
There's not enough adjectives to cover all this, but that is absolutely unacceptable.
It is absolutely disgusting what they're doing.
Who do you think is giving them the standdown order?
Do you think they're doing it on their own, or do you think this is coming from higher up?
Well, there's been a chief of police here and there, and I know there was at least one in Minnesota, and he was trying to walk it back.
But this is really coming from governors and mayors.
And you can see them.
You can see the governor of Minnesota.
You can see the mayor of Minneapolis.
You know, they're on record.
They've said these horrible, stupid things.
And it just shows you the lack of leadership that we have in Minnesota.
And so this, you know what?
Just examine what's going on and then tell me that you agree that people should be following your advice, which has been way out of line and way over the top.
And the overreach of government in Minnesota is not coming from ICE or Tom Holman.
It's coming from these red, horrible leaders that absolutely are so stupid that they're promoting the violence.
And I also heard like Waltz, he kept, I noticed he kept doing this, saying that the ICE officers are not federal officers.
And he kept repeating that, saying, no, they're not federal officers.
They're not federal officers.
Yeah, he kept repeating that, saying they're not federal officers.
The ICE is a branch of the federal government.
I don't know where he's coming up with that or what his point is.
But the only thing I can think of is that the reason he's saying that is that his officers do not have to assist those people because they're not really federal officers.
That's the only thing I can think of why he keeps repeating it.
Well, you know, keeping the peace there is something that they're all responsible for, no matter where those officers are from.
Yeah, I agree.
They're not from Latin America, you know, and they've invited people all over throughout Latin America to come into their communities.
They've invited people from the Middle East.
They've invited people from Europe and Africa.
They've invited them here.
And now they're here.
And now, what are you going to do about it?
I mean, this is a great distraction also for the fraud committed by illegal aliens in Minnesota.
So maybe they're liking this because it's taking the attention off of the crimes that they've helped perpetuate there.
Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
I'm sure this is a gigantic distraction where they're trying to distract everyone from everything that they've been doing.
Well, always blame Trump.
Blame Trump.
Oh, yeah.
Blame Holman.
Blame Trump.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why do you think Trump had to call in Tom Holman?
Why didn't Bovino, why wasn't he able to handle the situation?
Why did they have to bring in Tom Holman?
What's your thoughts on that?
You know, I think more the merrier, actually.
I would have had Tom there the first time.
Maybe Trump trusts his negotiation and diplomacy ability.
He's very strong in his leadership tactics, Holman is.
And I know him.
I talked to him several times.
And I think he's a great leader.
Maybe that's what Trump needed.
Maybe he needed a bulldog there and he had a Labrador.
Well, he wanted a bulldog.
I don't think that Bovino was that bad.
I don't think Trump does either.
But I think Holman is tough.
And you need somebody who's a good diplomat, but also tough.
And I think that's what Trump wanted.
Yeah.
So, I mean, since Tom Holman came into the picture, I think Christy Noam just the other day said, you know, all officers are going to be wearing body cameras now.
I guess to shut down the fake stories that are coming up, because we see that a lot of these individuals now, like Alex Predi, he was carrying a weapon on him and the police officers, the ICE officers thought he was reaching for it.
We had Renee Goode, who also didn't have a weapon.
Her car was the weapon, and she was trying to run into an ICE officer.
So we see these individuals, you know, they're moving towards being very aggressive and using other forms of violence against the officers.
And, you know, with Rene Goode, there's a whole question about, and there's an investigation going on about, you know, should the officer, you know, should he have taken out his weapon?
Should he shot Renee Goode?
Was it right to do so?
What's your take on that?
Well, I've been in similar situations, not a lot.
And thank goodness, and I prayed for this every day as a peace officer, that I would never need to shoot anybody.
There was a couple of times I probably should have, and I didn't.
And I'm glad I didn't.
But most officers that I tell the one story to about this guy waving a gun, most officers I've ever told that story to say, you should have shot him.
And my deputy and I, and I, we had good cover.
And I probably would have shot him had he not had his son next to him.
But, and he wasn't using his son as a shield.
He was, this guy was crazy.
He was a meth addict and he was having hallucinations.
And he was, you know, waving a gun at everybody.
But it was late at night.
So the streets were clear.
And with his son, 10-year-old son, standing next to him, we were more careful.
And we didn't want to endanger the boy.
And we didn't want to have him watch his father be killed right next to him.
Any further threat from that man, he would have been killed, regardless of what the situation was.
Close Call 00:14:48
And I talked to him two days later in my office and told him what he did.
And anyway, how close he came to being killed.
And this one is not exactly the same, but she did have a lethal weapon and she used her car as an assault weapon, her vehicle, her truck.
And I would say this: none of the other officers shot.
And I think that's going to be used against the officer who did shoot her.
When it comes right down to the lawful protocols on using lethal force, I believe he will be exonerated.
But I can honestly tell you, 100%, I would not have taken the shot.
And I'll tell you why.
It was a split decision.
However, as soon as I was hit by her vehicle, the threat stopped.
And she wasn't trying to run over him or continue to attack him with the vehicle.
So she hit him.
We don't know for sure if he even went down to the ground.
I don't think he had time to get up to shoot her.
Maybe shot her from the ground.
I'm not sure.
It doesn't really show what he did when he was firing at her, where he was.
But any of the other officers would have been justified if it was a justifiable shooting.
They would have been justified in shooting at her.
But nobody did.
Why do you say that?
Why would they have been justified?
Because an officer was being attacked feloniously, and they have a right to defend that officer.
So, yeah, absolutely.
No question.
I think the officer should have just said to himself at that time, we're going to get her.
She's not going anywhere.
The threat, as soon as I was hit, the threat is over.
She's not trying to continue hitting me.
And I'm not positive of that one just because it doesn't show the exact position of the officer.
But he obviously was not run over.
And so it appears that she stopped or he got out of the way, one or the other.
So the threat was gone.
And, but she is a FFF, a fleeing, forcible felon at that point.
And you can shoot at a fleeing, forcible felon.
And so again, I would not have shot her.
And I would have made sure that she was arrested.
What about Alex Pratty, the one that was reaching for his weapon?
What's your take on that one?
There's a lot of officer shootings when a suspect is not even reaching for a gun, but it looks like he is.
And that's been proven time and time again.
He reaches for his glove box trying to grab his proof of insurance and registration.
And officers take that shot.
Right.
If you tell him to get to his license registration, you need to allow that to happen.
And officers have paid a price for that.
Another one was an officer in Mesa, Arizona shot a guy who they told him to do not make any sudden moves.
And the guy reached down to pull his shorts up because he was crawling on the floor, which was not according to protocol.
So he was just trying to pull his pants up, and the officer shot and killed him.
I thought the officer should have paid for that.
But he warned him not to make any sudden moves towards his belt, and he shot him, killed him immediately.
So, in this particular case, where Renee Good was killed, she was bringing a lot of this on herself.
She was being obstinate and uncooperative and kind of a smartass.
And she created a lot of this scene.
And then, when she hit the officer, or even if she tried to hit the officer and didn't hit him, she committed an act to deserve lethal force.
And so, on what was the other guy's name?
Alex Predi.
Predi, yeah, Predty.
It doesn't show, I have seen nothing clear where it actually shows.
And I actually watched a video of a person showing it in slow motion.
See, you can see where he's going for his gun.
I couldn't see it at all.
It was too cluttered.
It was officers in the way.
I never saw him reach for a gun.
If he made any move whatsoever towards that gun that he was carrying, then that's going to be justifiable.
So if that's there, indeed, then.
So I don't like any shootings, and I believe that the leadership in Minnesota and Minneapolis are responsible for these shootings.
And they should be trying to call for peace.
The sheriff should be more involved.
The chiefs of police should be more involved.
State police, everyone to try to keep the peace and protect both sides, protesters and federal agents.
And the state of Minnesota and Minneapolis and many others in leadership positions are not doing that.
No, the thing that's missing from all this, we don't know what the officers were saying to the rioter, and we don't know what the rioter was saying to the officers.
I think with the body cams now, you might hear the officer saying, stand down, step back, don't do this, don't do that.
And you might see the individual not, you know, not abide by those commands and continue on with what they're doing because it seems like a lot of these individuals on the streets, they keep pushing and pushing and pushing, but not they don't attack, but they, I guess they try to force the officer to respond to everything that they're doing without hitting the officer, without shooting the officer.
Yes, we've had some officers, you know, shot, but I'm saying it seems like they, there's a very fine line where they bring it to a certain point and they wait for the officer to respond.
Yeah, they do.
And they're walking, you're right, they're walking a fine line and they're trying to egg on these officers and they're trying to bother them and they're trying to frustrate them.
And they are hoping that the officer will make a mistake.
But sometimes those mistakes can be deadly, as we've seen in both incidents.
And you've got to wonder what was really the underlying causes of those two shootings.
And once you have leaders saying, we're not going to have your back, we believe that the people should be shooting you because you're wearing a mask.
And then you want to talk about officers.
You're talking about Representative Jerry Nadler that said that, right?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
But there's been more.
There's been a couple of AGs doing it, talking like that.
Again, AG Mays out here in Arizona said the exact same thing.
Yeah, he said the same thing.
I mean, it's absolutely astonishing.
To me, when someone comes out and says those things, it seems like they're telling the rioters what to do.
I mean, why would you come out and say, listen, if someone comes up to you in a mask and you don't know who they are, but you know who they are.
You know they're ICE agents.
I mean, let's not be foolish about this.
It seems like they're giving them permission to go ahead and take the next step.
Yeah.
And for anybody in law enforcement or government to suggest such a thing, they're talking about charging her criminally out here in Arizona, and she should be.
That's just absolutely inexcusable behavior for an attorney general.
If it were me, I would be telling people, don't go protest.
You don't know that you can trust these people.
So don't go there.
Don't egg them on.
And then I would be calling for the state police to go there and provide security and keep it safe for both sides, lady, for both sides.
Wake up and do your job.
And so, no, no, it's totally inexcusable.
And these people are going to run for re-election next year, you know, and she might not be up.
I think she's when the president's up.
But this is an astonishing thing that Democrats are still trying to vote for all these people that are causing these problems that brought these criminals here in the first place.
How could you ever, as a Democrat, how could you ever vote for someone who brought cartels and terrorists and human traffickers into our country?
How could you vote for anyone to do that?
And what have they been trying to do?
They've been trying to get them on the voter rolls and that you don't have to have ID to do that.
So you know why they brought them here.
And they're trying to get them on the census to increase Democrat positions in Washington, D.C. Really?
Why, that's a big surprise.
We knew that was the reason you brought them here in the first place.
And now you're defending, keeping them here by lawlessly saying they can get registered to vote.
And then you try to tell us that there's not election fraud.
Yeah.
So, I mean, as we get closer to the midterm, I mean, now we're pretty far off.
Do you think this is going to get worse as time goes on?
Let's say Walt and the mayor of Minneapolis and out in Arizona, out in LA, out in Chicago and New York.
I mean, most of these areas are sanctuary areas and they're protecting the illegals.
So if they're going to cheat in the elections, if they're going to use these people to vote, as we approach the midterms, how do you think this is going to play out?
Well, to me, it's you need to focus on one of the things you just said, and that is that they invited these, they're inviting these criminals into their county with sanctuary laws.
You cannot make a law, a pretend legislation in your state that allows to exempt criminals from their original crime.
There's no authority to do that whatsoever.
And yet these Democrats are still doing that.
That's another X to add to their list of horrible things they're doing.
You cannot create sanctuaries for criminals.
That is also a crime.
And I believe that the Justice Department should have been really focusing on a lot of those investigations.
They should have.
And sheriffs should be investigating those same crimes because those are actually criminal aiding and abetting criminals is against the law in every state.
You know, that's the sheriff should be investigating those and the federal government should be also.
That's actually a very good point.
I mean, they came into the country illegally.
They broke federal law and then they created laws to protect them against the law that they broke.
I know.
Exactly.
I mean, that's actually a very good point.
You know, you don't think of it in those terms, but now when you think about it, it sounds ridiculous.
And everything I just said was absolutely true.
Yeah.
It's absolutely true.
But Democrats, you talk about Trump needs to follow the Constitution.
No one is exempt from the law.
If that's really the case, your entire party is in real trouble.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, do you think we can, and I think this is the biggest worry of a lot of people.
I mean, they voted for President Trump to deport.
He's deporting people.
Do you think we have the ability to deport all the people that have been brought into this country?
No.
No, it's too many.
They say conservatively, I heard Marco Rubio say 12 million.
We don't know how many gotaways are out there.
And to be able to document people who came here illegally is very difficult.
I believe it's double what Rubio said.
You think it's like 24 million?
Maybe more.
Yeah.
Wow.
I mean, right now, I think ICE, their mandate is to go after the worst of the worst.
The criminals, the drug traffickers, rapists.
Even when you do, even when you do, and you run into others, are you going to just, oh, well, you're okay.
Yeah, you can stay here because all you did was cross the border illegally.
No, you're going to supership them all.
Of course you are.
And why wouldn't you?
But they're all criminals.
From what I read, it looks like the DHS right now is purchasing warehouses in 23 states to hold the illegals.
And they're saying that this will set it up where they can deport about a million a year.
And if the calculations are correct, let's just use 12 million.
That would take 12 years to get rid of all the illegals.
If it's 24 million, I mean, we'd have to either ramp everything up or the people would just have to self-deport and that would help.
I mean, there's been a lot of people.
There's been some of that.
Yeah, yeah.
But again, if you want to make it faster and better and more efficient and safer, get the sheriffs involved.
Washington State's Sheriff Controversy 00:07:42
So aren't the sheriffs involved right now?
Some are, but there's not nearly enough.
And again, I'm going to point out Florida's example.
The Florida sheriffs there have set a tremendous example for the rest of the country.
Texas is doing a pretty good job and they're cooperating.
Iowa is cooperating pretty well.
Washington State, probably the worst in the country.
Their AG and their governor and their legislature are suing and attacking sheriffs for helping with deportation.
Really?
The AG, A.G. Brown, I think it's Nick Brown.
I know it's Brown.
A.G. Brown is suing Sheriff Wagner in Adams County because he was helping with deportation, because he's trying to get these criminals out of the state that his party brought in.
And they're suing him.
And I think they're going to actually try to charge some of them criminally.
And they already got rid of the sheriff in King County, and he's now appointed.
He's a bureaucrat.
They stole the AG and the state legislature and the governor stole the stewardship belonging to we the people to select our own representatives in law enforcement.
And the sheriff has been elected in this country for 250 years.
And of course, this woke red state, this woke blue state of Washington is now getting rid of the sheriffs any way they possibly can.
They're actually trying, they actually have legislation waiting right now being proposed that the legislature will set up a committee to say who can run for sheriff, who cannot run for sheriff, and then who can remove the sheriff for any reason.
This committee, a bunch of bureaucrats, will be in charge of the sheriffs, not the people.
So how do we stop this?
Is your organization?
We just came from there and we just came from there and we had a big event, but we've got to get back there and we've got the sheriffs now with the people have got to wake up and get this legislation stopped.
So how do we do this?
Like, how do we is there a way to bring?
First of all, if you're from Washington, you need to be calling your legislatures there, your legislators, your legislatures, get a hold of your Republican heads the way you are and get people moving.
Okay.
Even the Democrats should not want a sheriff appointed.
Okay.
Because after that, you know, what if the Republicans are in charge of appointing your sheriffs?
A committee, not you, taking away your power to vote, your authority to vote.
And so, yeah, the people have got to wake up.
And we had a great event, and General Flynn and I were the headline speakers there, but Patrick Byrne and Pastor C. O. Bryant and several sheriffs.
One sheriff came over from Idaho and he spoke, and national organizations, American Police Officer Alliance, Constitutional Sheriffs, and the state sheriff's association didn't get involved as much as they should.
The National Sheriff's Association didn't get involved at all.
So we're trying to push this and move them, but it's going slow.
That's why we, the people in Washington State, have got to rise up in righteous indignation and make this go away.
I agree with that.
And just explain to people what your organization actually does and how it helps.
We trained public officials, especially sheriffs and law enforcement, to uphold and defend the Constitution and thereby protect the individual rights of every citizen.
The purpose of all government is to protect the rights of the people.
Is there any national organization or any government entity focused on protecting civil rights?
That's what we promote.
And that's what our organization is dedicated to.
And no, the NAACP does not focus on civil rights anymore.
Martin Luther King should be turning over in his grave because all they're focused on is being a branch of the Democrat Party.
And they have missed the vote big time.
And they really don't care about black conservatives.
In fact, they aim for black conservatives.
And so they're completely gone away from what their name is and national advancement for colored people.
And it's not.
It's trying to get freebies and entitlements and whatnot.
And they really do not do a job anymore.
CSPOA is filling that vacuum in a lot of ways because we believe in civil rights for all people, all colors, all races, all nationalities.
And we believe at the same time the rule of law.
And if our peace officers are trained in that and the sheriffs are trained in that, then they're going to know and understand their responsibility and they're going to get going and get more involved.
And again, that is an indictment against the sheriffs in Minnesota.
And Washington state's starting to wake up, but they've got to hurry up and do it even more there.
So if people wanted to assist or help out, where should they go to get more information on this?
Yeah, good point.
Everyone, join our posse.
This is for every citizen.
Join our posse at cspoa.org.
There's an $11 a month fee.
There's no contract.
If you don't like what we're doing, quit.
But I believe that you're going to see that this is an absolute necessity.
This is a peaceful and effective solution called CSPOA.
Constitutional sheriffs, you want a constitutional sheriff in your area?
Join us, be part of it, help fund us, send a donation.
You can donate any amount you want.
cspoa.org We just had a conference there.
It costs us $65,000.
We're still paying the bills on that.
We're going to keep doing this nationwide.
We're going to keep involved with Washington State.
But man, we need you there.
So, anybody even close, you got friends, family in Washington State, call them, call them, call them.
Get going.
Main thing is go to cspoa.org.
Become a member, become involved.
We help train you how to be involved with your sheriff.
It's all part of the holy cause of liberty that we all are responsible for.
Great.
I'll put all the links at the bottom of the video.
Sheriff Mac, thank you very much for being on the X22 Report Spotlight.
I really appreciate it.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Thanks for having me.
Thank you.
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