Bob Kudla – Gold Revalued To Where Bitcoin Is, Trump Sends Message To Fed
Bob is the created and owner of Trade Genius Academy. Bob also does a podcast on YouTube which is called Trade Genius. Bob begins the conversation discussing net zero in Germany and the EU. We have two situations as of right now, US, China moving towards fossil fuels and Germany and the EU moving towards net zero. The people will see the difference. Gold might be revalued to where Bitcoin is, this has been done before during the 1930s. Trump sent a message to the Fed by choosing April 2, this date is when the coinage act came into existence.
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Today, we have a returning guest, Bob Kudla.
Bob is the creator and owner of TradeGeniusAcademy.com, and I am very happy to have Bob back on the X22 Report Spotlight.
Bob, welcome back to the Spotlight.
Oh, hey, Dave.
Thanks for having me.
Hey, thanks for being here.
Lots going on in the economy.
I see Trump, he's moving forward with his tariffs.
We see...
Europe, Germany, they're moving forward with their net zero agenda.
What do you think is going to happen?
I saw Germany, they destroyed one of their coal fire plants, and it looks like they're moving forward with moving towards net zero.
So we're moving away from that.
They're moving towards that.
What do you think is going to happen?
I don't know when Germany is going to...
And I feel like they're Jim Jones, right?
It's like some sort of mass suicide here that they're performing.
You know, their entire chemical industry is moving to the United States because of the difference in natural gas costs and feedstocks for their chemicals.
I don't know.
I mean, their automotive industry.
I mean, I saw BMW.
I forget, $20,000?
No, it was Volkswagen.
20,000 people being laid off.
BMWs laying off people.
You know, it's going to be like Germany is going to truly be like a Disneyland park.
The only thing that's going to be left is tourism.
And they're even screwing around with the agriculture, too.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
Obviously, China never bought into it.
And the rest of Asia never bought into it.
And, you know, America finally came out of its mass psychosis with the with the Trump election.
So I guess it's going to have to get really bad and people are going to then make the switch.
Look, East Germany already went right.
You probably saw the last election.
AFT pretty much controls other than Berlin.
I think it's going to probably take one more election for them to.
The only thing that I could say is a positive in all this is that you have China and the United States now.
They're going to be...
Using coal, fossil fuel, nuclear energy.
And you're going to have Germany and the rest of Europe, the UK and the rest, all going to solar, wind.
And I think the people of this planet are going to see a very big difference between that, what they're doing, and what we're doing.
And maybe that will wake them up.
Yeah, I just, you know, I've given up logic a long time ago with this.
I mean, I don't understand the people.
I mean, look, you and I vote ourself interested.
And most of the people that voted left, Not real hard left, but center-left.
Even the center-right party, mostly older people, I think they just press the button.
I don't think they really are thinking things through.
But look, EU is disintegrating before our eyes anyway.
The Eastern Bloc, the Warsaw Bloc, plus what I would call the Orthodox You know, Catholic bloc is probably breaking away from that orbit from basically the Franco-German approach to things.
So it's just, you know, good news for us, bad news for them.
That's all I can say.
And just in the last maybe couple of weeks, gold as...
Gone over $3,000.
I don't think, if you go back in time, especially if you go back to 2011, 2012, when gold hit a high of $1,900, but then it came down, I don't think anyone would have ever thought that gold would be over $3,000.
What do you think is going on?
I think we're starting to slowly see the repricing of gold to pay off the national debt.
That's what I see.
We're going to talk about that more.
I can hold off.
No, go ahead.
What do you mean by that?
I'll give you my thoughts.
So in 1932, and I forget when in the 1950s, they repriced gold, Dave.
And when they reprice gold, it's kind of an accounting trick.
And they're able to then add money into what's called the TGA, the Treasury General Account.
And that's spendable.
And so if Trump...
Right now, if he did it, he can reprice what's gold in Fort Knox.
He can reprice it to current levels.
He can take $1 trillion.
He can turn right around with that $1 trillion, and he can use it for general purposes.
He can use it to buy down expensive debt, or he can create a sovereign wealth fund with it.
So what I think is happening now is gold has now started to reassert itself as the The great arbiter of national debts.
And you see, you know, China has been desperately trying to grow its gold reserves.
The United States has their gold reserves.
And, you know, look, gold at $120,000 an ounce pays off the national debt.
So that's up from 87,000 just 10 years ago.
So that's how much gold needs to be priced at current amounts of gold in the You know, under the control, direct control of the United States government.
Now, we don't know if they're going to try to do another sweep or they're going to try to nationalize any mines or, you know, any crazy things like that.
But I think you're going to start seeing gold just...
We've been waiting for a parabolic move, and I think it's coming.
Look, if I was Trump...
And I wanted to manipulate the deficit, okay, is that I would try to get gold up to $6,000 in an ounce.
I would then reprice it.
I would take that $2 trillion.
I would make sure that we went into the next legislative session with zero debt, drive the price of treasuries down to the floor, reissue at the low rates that Janet Yellen did not do.
And then keep pressing gold and keep redoing this TGA accounting trick, you know, as long as you can keep pushing gold higher.
That's my view on it.
And I also think if it does a hybrid, creates a sovereign wealth fund, they could turn around and buy Bitcoin with it or high dividend paying stocks, you know, what you would call the, you know, basically the...
The Dow 30 kind of stocks, and then you get a higher yield, and Bitcoin gets a yield because of everybody else's deficits are increasing, is that then you use that to help pay up the debt too.
So I think he understands.
Trump is anything he knows how to leverage balance sheets, and I think he's...
I think it's I spy this is happening, and that's my view on it.
And just so you think, I just conjured this up in thin air.
It's been starting to become a talk here.
It's a real thing.
Roosevelt did it and took the money.
I think either Truman did it or Eisenhower did it and took the money.
And so now Trump does it, and he'd be smart to just...
Pay down the debt with it if you can, or create a sovereign wealth fund with a higher yield than the cost of the debt today.
So you're saying that gold is going to be very close to what Bitcoin is, I mean, unless Bitcoin goes much higher.
I would say that you're a fool for not owning a Bitcoin or related or gold, silver, and related.
Remember the old $1 trillion platinum coin trick?
Yeah. Well, this is how they do it.
Wouldn't it be better, I'm just thinking about this right now, wouldn't it be better if they took the fiat currency, they bought as much Bitcoin as they possibly can, and then revalue the gold, then to pay off the debt?
Yeah. I think they might be doing it backwards.
I think they might be positioning to be buying gold here underneath the covers, and then let gold pop, and then revalue it.
So, but yeah, same difference.
The problem with Bitcoin, if they did that, Dave, is that there's not enough of it floats yet, and it could spike before they own enough of it.
That's my only quibble with that approach.
You know, gold, they've had years to add.
And look, we don't even know how much gold is in Fort Knox.
There could be more as far as, you know, people worry about not having any gold in Fort Knox.
We don't know if there's twice as much in gold.
We don't know anything.
That's why Trump was making that big deal.
Big yak on.
I want to get to Fort Knox.
I want to see what's there.
Because he's going to go in there and say, we have 10,000 ounces of, you know, 10 million ounces of gold.
We're revaluing it.
Boom, boom.
I just paid off the deficit this year.
Love me.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's why maybe they didn't have an audit because maybe there's, they've been, you know, the powers that be might have been storing a lot more.
Maybe all the gold they stole.
Who knows?
Yeah. Well, look, there's a bunch of gold that just came back into the country.
Yeah. You know, I mean, a boatload had just come back into the country.
So I think there's a big repatriation game going on here.
I'd love it if that's how they do it.
Look, I think I may have talked about this last month.
I think almost all that $32 trillion debt was defrauded from the American people.
Oh, me too.
Because you can look over 30 years, trillion dollars a year.
You know, look where it's been going.
So I just think, you know, I think Trump has a number of sleeves, you know, things under his seat.
He could go to China.
Hey, all the Social Security and Medicare fraud and PPP fraud went to your country.
I want it back where I'm going to declare your bond null and void.
You know, so there's a lot of opportunities here.
So that's my view on gold.
So just keep owning it.
The bullion banks are done shorting it, and so now I think it's going to keep rising.
Look, today the gold and silver miners are popping today.
I think gold's up today.
I'm looking sideways as we talk.
I apologize, but let me look at gold here real quick while we're talking.
Gold's up another $11, $3,026.
I think it just keeps going.
I couldn't even hazard a guess, but I think we could see a gold-bitcoin ratio get to 1 to 1. Wow.
Absolutely incredible.
Don't run out there and...
I'm not Michael Saylor.
Don't sell your house and buy it.
Just continue to allocate.
And these things that are more precious than fiat.
That's all I can say.
Do you think it's going to move a lot higher than where it is right now?
Yeah. Well, eventually, I just saw some charts that there's a consolidation period that we're ending here that...
That the blow-off move starts to occur.
So there's potential for, you know, we had 187 as the end of the ending move for this.
So it held the breakout, which was what we wanted it to do, that 67,000 breakout.
It held it and started to move higher again.
There's a good chance that we'll get that parabolic move.
But it's going to require liquidity to start being generated by the central banks around the world to be able to lift it.
Because Bitcoin is tied almost one-to-one correlation to the world liquidity, you know, the availability of liquidity.
So liquidity rises, the balance sheets around the world rises, Bitcoin rises.
So that's kind of...
What you watch for.
But yeah, seasonally and structurally, we should see a higher move in Bitcoin.
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Right now, the Fed, which is very interesting, they've been in a holding pattern.
I mean, they've been cutting the rates right before the election, which was kind of odd because they normally don't do that.
Now they're in a holding pattern and Trump is calling for rate cuts and inflation has come down.
Egg prices have come down.
Fuel prices have come down.
People are feeling a little bit of relief.
So what is the Fed waiting for?
Do you think they'll cut?
Do you think they'll raise?
Where do you think they're going to go with this?
Yeah, the excuse they're using is that we don't understand the impact of the tariffs on the inflation rate.
That's a red herring because inflation isn't a price increase or decrease issue.
It's a money supply issue against the productivity of the economy.
So that's a red herring.
They're just trying to hold off for as long as they possibly can.
Before they lower interest rates.
I think they like to see that PCE come down under two on a number-a-month basis.
You know, so what Trump's trying to do here, I mean, it's a brilliant plan if he can pull it off, is if he could drive the cost structure out of the federal government, the need to constantly be creating new supply of bonds, the price of bonds will absolutely rise and the yield will fall.
Because there's going to be a supply shock.
And I think that probably comes in the back half of the year.
We're definitely going to go into a recession.
You can't avoid it.
I don't care who it is.
Whether it's Biden and none of this stuff, or it's Trump and all of this stuff, we're slated for a recession.
The economy is exhausted.
But what Trump's doing is he's trying to force a recession early so that he can put his plans in place and then force the Fed to lower.
Interest rates.
Because the Fed is a political animal, Dave.
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And we're trying to stay above the fray of it all.
Obviously, I want Trump to succeed.
Obviously, what Scott Bissett is saying is that we're trying to...
We're basically trying to defund the government and refund private sector.
You can't do that without basically going through detox.
And so I think what the Fed's doing is holding off as long as possible.
And then, you know, obviously, they're going to...
Powell wants Trump to succeed because he also knows that it'll be impossible for the Fed to absorb.
All that supply on their balance sheet.
And so he'll be very accommodating.
And look, they don't have to worry about this stuff until next February, March anyway.
People aren't really paying attention.
So they'll be more interested in, am I getting a better job?
Am I streets safer?
Remember, Trump's a populist.
So all the people care about is that...
They're living their life better, and Wall Street suffers for it.
Well, that's Wall Street's problem.
I feel like we've been in a recession, and what's interesting is a lot of people, when they take a poll, they feel like we've been in a recession.
I mean, most of the numbers were manipulated under Biden, so the Fed was making decisions using manipulated numbers, and they lowered the rates.
They made it seem like inflation was going back to normal, which it wasn't.
So I feel like we've been in a recession.
I think he just wants to get us like...
Through this period, and I think it feels like he's pricing it into the market, and he's trying to stabilize everything as we move into maybe even, I would say, a deeper recession.
Yeah, look, I think what they're trying to...
Look, I said this before, even way before Trump 2.0 came in, and this is the only way...
For our country to survive, we basically have to create Fortress America, right?
And you've got to force all the velocity inside of our borders.
And that requires you to bring back manufacturing into the country.
And so you've got lower energy costs and bring manufacturing back.
And then we're self-contained, right?
So what we need from the world, look, we're only 18% import-export on our GDP.
They got to drive that thing down to five or six percent, Dave.
And I think that's where they go with this.
And then we won't go into a department.
We can't go into a depression.
There'd just be too much velocity to generate the income that's required, and there'd be job shortages, so wages will be strong.
That's my view on it.
But yeah, I agree with you.
The growth is underneath pricing.
And so ergo recession.
But they won't call it because they use the inflated numbers as their baseline.
But yeah, you know the old saw, right?
It's a recession when your friend loses a job.
It's a depression when you lose yours.
And so we're trying to know more and more people without jobs.
Yeah, that's true.
But, I mean, he's bringing a lot of investment back into this country.
I mean, yes, they still have to build manufacturing plants.
They still have to do all this.
So, I mean, this all begins on April 2nd.
And, of course, the news and certain economists are saying, oh, my God, you know, iPhones are going to be $4,000 and you're not going to be able to afford everything.
But I feel with him drilling and...
Oil prices coming down, I think 31 states right now are below $3 a gallon.
And I think that's, I think for some reason that's going to counter what we might feel with tariffs.
Yeah, people don't understand what's called the elasticity of price to demand to price, right?
So, you know, those who have taken economics in college, which I have, you have something like cigarettes.
That's why they can tax cigarettes like crazy because somebody addicted to cigarettes has to buy it, right?
But, you know, taking your kid to Chuck E. Cheese, if they double the price of Chuck E. Cheese, well, you're not going to Chuck E. Cheese quite so regularly.
So they're going to have to come off their pricing.
So really you start looking at how much of our economy is nice to have services, right?
And it's probably, it's two-thirds of one-third.
So probably half our GDP is really what I call non-essential services.
So that part doesn't even get affected by By the tariffs.
And then companies are reluctant to lose market share.
So they'll pay the tariff and they'll take less profit.
You do these things until you can't cover your fixed costs.
Then you stop doing them.
So basically what Trump will do and what these companies do is Trump will get the money and these companies will defund themselves until they can't tolerate it anymore.
And then they're going to move to the United States.
Yeah, I mean, we do see a lot of companies like Audi, for example, out in Germany.
They're looking to move to this country.
There's also a repack furniture manufacturer up in Canada who's saying they probably moved to North Carolina.
So I do see that there are certain manufacturers in countries saying, you know, something, if this doesn't work out, we'll just go into the United States and we'll produce our products there.
And I definitely see all of that happening because I don't think they'll be able to compete.
And I think, like, even with Canada, I mean, I think Canada depends on us.
Yeah, yeah.
You saw the meme where the mouse is giving the eagle the middle finger that he's about to be eaten.
Yeah, that's every country in the United States.
I always laugh and say, France is going to do a toleratory and dynamic...
You know, countermeasures to our thing.
Go ahead and do it until you can't import to us anymore.
Right. See how that works.
Yeah. So, you know, and China is the same.
China is in a world of hurt, Dave, because they haven't rejiggered their economy.
They don't let their people consume, right?
Because, you know, communist countries can't give that kind of freedom to the people, right?
So those people don't have money to consume.
Trump's basically creating ghost cities in China, and these factories are trying to move to Vietnam to evade or Mexico to evade the tariffs, but that still raises their cost structures.
And so China is in big trouble.
And if you notice, we really haven't hit Korea.
And Japan very hard at all, if at all, because we want to support those guys against China.
So it's going to be really interesting to see.
It's not going to be anything what the people say.
If the mainstream media is telling you it's going to be bad, it's likely to be good.
Yeah, I think there's going to be a small window where they'll be able to play this up.
And then once that's over with, they're going to go, oh crap.
I saw something on Reddit where someone shops at Costco and they said, I don't understand.
They're cutting prices.
I thought prices are supposed to be going up with all these tariffs and everything Trump's doing.
It doesn't make any sense.
So I think that people are getting confused now because it's not what the mainstream media is saying.
No, because companies are reacting to the private market.
And you want to hear something wild?
You probably heard it.
Stop me if you did.
My philosophy, not my philosophy, my view on this is that there's probably 1 million people in this country that were extremely well off that are going to go into poverty.
And those are the people that have been plugged in like the matrix to the federal government's money machine.
These people are making $300,000, $400,000, $500,000 a year now.
I've completely lost their ability to access that cash.
And so Washington, D.C., Delta Airlines, United Airlines, American Airlines all revised their earnings reports down because the flights in D.C. are down 5-0%.
Trump just basically took away the credit card.
Homes in Washington, D.C. are now exploding.
Homes to buy, to sell.
And prices are collapsing.
And then unemployment insurance and jobless claims are skyrocketing.
What's going to happen here, it's going to be really targeted to the areas that we're sucking on the teat, if you will.
Most people that voted for Trump aren't involved or affected in any way, shape, or form.
And so I think it's going to be one of those things where the people that are affected are screaming bloody murder, and you and I are sitting there saying, I just don't see it.
Welcome to our world.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I think is going to happen.
And, I mean, it's a brilliant move.
Do MAGA people care that New York may go bankrupt?
Absolutely not.
You know what I'm saying?
Or Illinois go bankrupt?
Absolutely not.
And I think the rest of the country is going to benefit from it.
In fact, it's going to be actually reinforced because all these jobs coming back aren't going to be on the coasts.
They're not going to be in New York.
They're not going to be in Illinois.
They're not going to be in California because it's too difficult to set up those businesses.
And then more and more people are going to get jobs and move into these red states.
And I think it's going to be one of those things where it's virtuous.
The only caveat I have is they've got to move fast.
And it's very interesting that Trump picked April 2nd as Liberation Day because on that day, it was the Coinage Act of April 2nd, 1792.
Interesting. Now, see, I didn't know that.
So usually, I'm well prepared.
And that's interesting.
So it might be a shot across the bow to the Federal Reserve.
Yeah. I mean, I think he's sending a message saying, you know, back then, we were using gold, silver to create the coins.
And this is when we had economic independence from Britain.
Because before that, we were using all different other currencies.
And then when the Coinajack came...
I mean, it took a year for us to actually produce the coinage.
We separated from them, and we finally had economic independence.
Yeah, maybe Trump's going to print 32 platinum coins.
That'd be pretty cool.
I think he's going to challenge all that.
How about taking that to the Supreme Court?
So who owns our currency?
Private banks or the United States government?
I think if you look at your bills, it says Federal Reserve note.
We just borrow it.
And when we borrow something, there's interest attached.
And that's why we have what we have today.
So I think let's return it back to the Federal Reserve and let's create our own currency.
No, that'd be awesome.
Well, that's interesting.
I didn't know that.
Ah, I learned something today.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think with him doing it, and he keeps repeating it, you know, April 2nd is liberate.
Yes, I know his tariffs, but it's very interesting that it was the Coinage Act.
And I feel like, like you said, I think he is taking a shot at the Federal Reserve by saying this.
That's my personal opinion.
Yeah, look, I mean, now I won't say all our troubles, but our troubles were magnified once that beast became worldwide.
Yeah. I agree with that.
You see, you can't have war without a central bank.
I agree with them.
I agree with that, too.
Hey, Bob.
Yeah. Oh, sorry.
No, no, no.
I just said you have to directly tax the people, and then they're not going to be so happy about going to war.
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