Where There's Woke - Thomas Smith - WTW119: USA Hockey Shows That the Bar for Men Continues to Reside in Hell

March 12, 2026 - Where There's Woke - Thomas Smith

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WTW119: USA Hockey Shows That the Bar for Men Continues to Reside in Hell

Thomas Smith and Lydia critique USA Hockey's gold medal celebration, condemning the men's team for associating their victory with MAGA figures like Kash Patel and Donald Trump despite Jack Hughes' heroic resilience. They contrast this with Hillary Knight's firm rejection of sexist rhetoric, arguing the players prioritized political comfort over addressing misogyny. The discussion expands to corporate performative allyship versus rising fascism, citing Kansas ID laws and the dilution of Pride initiatives, ultimately calling for mainstream leaders to decisively reject such toxic rhetoric. [Automatically generated summary]
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Competitive Hockey Rivalry 00:15:00
	What's so scary about the woke mob, how often you just don't see them coming Anywhere you see diversity equity and inclusion you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic can sound The woke monster is here and it's coming for everything
	Instead of go-go boots the seductress green Eminem will now wear sneakers Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke.
	I'm Thomas.
	That's Lydia.
	How you doing?
	I'm doing okay.
	Uh-oh.
	Only okay.
	Well, the stuff today has me a little peeved.
	Oh, yeah?
	A little peeved off.
	But I thought it was all better.
	Yes.
	Everything's fixed.
	No, no.
	It's a tough time to be an American.
	I mean, for a lot of reasons, but especially when the Olympics were happening.
	Yeah, it's a tougher time to be everyone else we're inflicting stuff on and bombing.
	Just wanted to say not to not carry on you, but it sucks to be a caring person who's stuck in a country that's doing horrible things to people.
	It's not, it's not fun.
	Yeah.
	Not fun.
	Yeah, not a fan.
	We're going to talk about the Olympics, Olympic hockey.
	Don't worry.
	It's not just a hockey sode.
	I will try not to just have it be a hockey.
	So you say.
	But yeah, I think by now people have probably heard tons of discourse on this.
	And don't worry, we're not just doing like the thing you've already heard everywhere.
	I really want to talk about this.
	I just think nobody gets it, it feels like to me.
	Yeah.
	We're going to see.
	Lydia's tried to track down if anybody gets it.
	So far, it was a no for me, but who knows?
	Maybe someone will.
	Almost once.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We'll see.
	We'll see what you think.
	I'm excited to talk about it.
	I am going to put people through gushing about how fucking incredible the U.S. women's team was in the Olympics.
	This is historical.
	This is not wokest bullshit.
	Like they were, they were amazing.
	Like objectively, maybe the best performance of any sport thing ever.
	Like it's the level of dominance was incredible.
	Let's save it.
	Let's subject people and you to a little bit of that, but then we got to talk about the politics.
	Please subject me to it.
	Not on Aaron.
	I'm excited to talk about it.
	So yeah, why don't we take a break?
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	So thanks so much.
	We'll take a break and we'll get to it.
	All right.
	Where do you want to start?
	I could talk about the hockey team forever, but I don't know how you want to organize this stuff.
	Timeline order, like let's talk about the women's team.
	Let's talk about how amazing they are.
	Let's talk about their win.
	Let's get into that.
	Okay.
	If we're going to talk about that, I'm going to talk about that.
	Yeah.
	Well, no, let's get into it.
	Let's get into it.
	So I have been looking forward to the Olympics for hockey for a long time.
	For one, definitely the men's because the NHL was back in it.
	The NHL hasn't been in it for a while.
	It was 2010, 2014, and then they weren't in it for 18 and 22.
	And it just sucks.
	Like the difference, as a rabid hockey fan that I am, the difference between the best of the best being in it and then just like, well, there's some of the best around the world.
	And then we get to have a bunch of like amateur players that don't get me wrong are still good, but boy, it's a bummer.
	Like not getting to see the best on best.
	It's just a bummer.
	The difference between that and then seeing Team Canada with my beautiful, amazing boy, Mackenzie Labrini.
	He's the best.
	God, he's the best.
	I was so looking forward to it.
	I had decided ahead of time.
	Now, in 2010, that's how I first got into hockey was my brother just said, hey, do you want to, I have a friend who started playing hockey because there's a rink nearby.
	Do you want to do that?
	And I, having never done anything like that, was like, that sounds great.
	Also, it was not nearby for you either.
	I mean, yeah, it's true.
	You had to drive an hour.
	Somewhat nearby.
	Yeah.
	I had never done anything like that.
	I barely even ice skated like once as a kid, you know, and I was just like, that sounds great.
	And I got really, really into it.
	I love it.
	And so that same year, I started watching hockey.
	I was like, okay, what's the team near me?
	And I literally had to ask Sam, my brother, like, what team do you do?
	And he's like, the sharks.
	I was like, okay.
	Yeah.
	Watching the sharks.
	And I just got into it.
	That was like peak sharks, too.
	Yeah.
	It was like some really, really good years back.
	Good times.
	But that year, 2010, was also really good Olympic hockey.
	And a certain shark by the name of Joe Pavelski, Captain America, literally Captain America.
	He's amazing.
	Yeah.
	Was he, I don't know if he was the captain in 2010, though.
	No, no, no.
	I don't mean like they called him Captain America.
	I'm just saying he's like actually.
	No, I was actually just stopping to think.
	Like, was he the captain?
	He would have been too young, I think.
	Plus, there was other better Americans, but maybe not that tournament.
	He had a tournament that was so good.
	He was a pretty young player.
	It was unreal.
	They beat Canada in the main, because what they tend to do, if you didn't watch, if you don't watch this kind of thing, is they play preliminaries, you know, and there's different matchups, different pools.
	And then after that, they use those standings to then have the medal rounds.
	That's the finals.
	And that year, I think we were in the same pod.
	I'm pretty sure.
	This is all by memory.
	And I swear we beat Canada in the regular play, like the tournament pod play, whatever.
	And then they beat us in overtime.
	Yeah.
	The dagger, Sidney Crosby.
	And that was the greatest hockey experience.
	I was just hooked ever since that.
	2014.
	Sidney Crosby, Captain Canada.
	Yeah.
	Captain Canada.
	2014, you know, let's not talk about that.
	There's no need to dwell.
	It wasn't good for America.
	And then no, no Olympics.
	Think about that.
	2010, 2014.
	Think about politically where a me was and where the country was.
	Back then, I didn't even consider that I would do anything other than root for America to win hockey.
	They hadn't won the gold, of course, since the Miracle on Ice, 1980.
	Yeah.
	Which was an absolute miracle.
	Talk about sporting events.
	Just incredible.
	Watch that movie.
	It's so good.
	So inspiring.
	So cool.
	Unironically, we can have nice things.
	We can be corny sometimes.
	And that movie fucking rules.
	I stand by it.
	There's also a new documentary, too, by the way, that just came out.
	I watched, they made one about the year, about how Russia dealt with the years after that that I watched that was really interesting.
	But I still was kind of bummed because I was like, yeah, I just kind of want to see the miracle.
	Yeah, I just want to watch the miracle.
	I just want to watch the American-centric version of what this.
	So think about that.
	2010, 2014, the difference.
	And of course, I watched the hockey in the other tournaments, of course, but it's just not quite the same.
	Just not, you know, we want to see the best.
	People want to see the best of the best.
	And so then there's no NHL in the Olympics until this year.
	And last year in the NHL, they did a thing called the Four Nations face-off where they decided to pause the NHL, have a little mini Olympics in a way, and play four nations national teams.
	And the crazy thing about this was I'm trying so hard to not go into too much of this because I could just talk about this forever.
	The coolest thing happened last year.
	And I promise this is somewhat relevant.
	It's at least adjacent, and I want to talk about it.
	The coolest thing happened last year, which was there's, if you're not a sportsman, you're not a sports fan, there's historically, we used to have these things called like all-star games and whatever for baseball, basketball, football, the Pro Bowl.
	And back in the day, they were pretty cool.
	Like people, there's, you know, in basketball, it was like Jordan and Magic Johnson, you know, and they had pride.
	They were trying to like win for their conference or whatever the hell it's called.
	I don't, I haven't watched basketball in so long, but, you know, it'd be the East versus West, I guess it is there, I guess, blanking for a sec.
	And it would be cool.
	They'd actually go at it.
	You know, they're probably not playing like 100%, but they're playing close enough.
	Yeah, that it seemed, maybe they were actually.
	I mean, they were so competitive.
	Then I think what started happening is, you know, people recognize sports science is advanced and they reckon.
	And also with how much bigger and faster and stronger the athletes get every single year, nobody wants to get injured.
	So nobody wants to do these things.
	They don't want to actually play.
	The Pro Bowl became a joke.
	The NFL, I watched one where they just were standing like playing catch almost on the field.
	I mean, just nobody watched it.
	It's understandably risk averse when you can see like incredibly terrible those injuries happen.
	Yeah, business-wise, you might blow your multi-million dollar asset for something that doesn't really matter.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And so the Olympics is an interesting thing because it does actually matter, but it's not the business that they're in.
	So it is a, it is a tough thing, I think, for the owners.
	And I get it.
	You know, I don't know much about the other leagues, but specifically for hockey, you know, they're like to be willing to have guys participate in that.
	Yeah, so it's rough.
	So last year they do this Four Nations, and I couldn't believe they were doing that, but they just decided to do that instead of the all-stars.
	And I was like, well, this is great.
	Here's the thing.
	No one was sure how this would go.
	I don't think.
	This is something that players and fans alike have been waiting almost a decade for.
	92 of the game's best players divided up by country.
	Is there anywhere else that you'd rather be?
	The wait.
	It's over.
	They do the Four Nations from the get-go.
	Everyone is enraptured.
	It is like everybody cares about it.
	They're trying really hard.
	They're getting hurt.
	You know, people were worried that, you know, there were some injuries.
	They're like, oh, great.
	They're never going to let us have this again because the Olympics were the next year.
	Mind you, this was last year.
	It was incredible.
	It was some of the most amazing hockey the final had the U.S. and Canada and Canada won.
	Barely, though.
	It was, it was close, very close.
	But the fucking U.S. team with the Kachucks, it felt a little trumpy.
	I was, I was mixed feelings because I was like, man, I don't think I can root for the U.S. really.
	I mean, I kind of was.
	Austin Matthews, I wanted him to maybe, you know, he's had a rough go of it.
	I wanted him to win.
	But I was kind of, yeah.
	And then along comes this year when I am firmly like, well, I hate America and I'm rooting for Canada.
	So of course, this would be the first year since 1980 that the U.S. wins the fucking gold medal for the men's.
	But meanwhile, I also am just as in it for the women's.
	They have a professional hockey league now that's going well.
	It isn't anywhere near us.
	And it drives me crazy.
	I wish we had a team here or closer.
	Even like, even if it was in the Bay Area, that would be so amazing.
	The Bay Area would have like, they would have such an incredible.
	EWHL, if you're listening, please put a team near me.
	Well, like the Valkyries, you know, you have WNBA team based out in the Bay Area and stuff.
	And their fan base is amazing.
	It's so strong.
	Demographically, when it comes to the interest in hockey versus interest in, I don't know, with the sharks and everything, too.
	I wish they would do it.
	I doubt it.
	In a fledgling league, they're going to go to the biggest markets possible.
	Perhaps.
	There's only like six teams.
	I don't know if they're expanded from that yet.
	Yeah, I don't think so.
	I don't think they've talked expansion yet.
	But yeah, but there's a professional league.
	Women's hockey has been great.
	I love watching the women's every single time there's the Winter Olympics.
	The U.S. team is great.
	It's almost like women's soccer where the U.S. team is just actually fucking amazing.
	Fantastic.
	I'm watching the U.S. games.
	I'm watching the Canada Games.
	Our team, amazing.
	This is, I quickly was like, oh, I'm more into this because our team is so fucking good.
	The historic dominance of the women's freaking game.
	I'm just like, I'm remembering the end of it.
	Sorry.
	Right.
	Well, we got to start at the beginning.
	We're going through every single game.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	But the amount of play by play the U.S. dominated.
	I can't even describe.
	And I'm doing this for a reason because the final is that much better knowing how much the women dominated.
	Yeah.
	The women before the medal round allowed one goal.
	They won five to one, five to nothing, five to nothing, five to nothing.
	So cool.
	One goal in the tournament.
	And by the way, one of the five to nothings was Canada.
	We beat the shit out of Canada.
	Now they were missing a good, a very good player, one of their best players.
	But in hockey, one player doesn't make your whole team.
	At that level, no.
	So beating them five-nothing was, that was crazy.
	And I decided that I'm not going to punish women for Trump.
	I'm unabashedly team fucking USA when it comes to the women.
	I'm wearing a goddamn flag around my as a.
	He's painted his face.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Fuck it.
	I can't root for the men.
	Also, they're Trumpy and fuck it.
	I hate our country.
	But when it comes to women, that doesn't count.
	No.
	I'm all about USA.
	Yeah, they're amazing, except there's one that's the Trump river.
	We'll not talk about that.
	Or maybe we will.
	I don't know.
	It was so fun rooting for them.
	And the domination.
	I mean, just the pure, the other teams had no chance.
	It wasn't like it was close and we just happened to get more goals.
	It was like they weren't even, the other teams weren't playing the same game.
	Yeah.
	And so we get to this final where it's like, okay, we have dominated so much.
	And our team, USA, Team USA, is young.
	Yeah.
	Team Canada is very old.
	I saw a lot of the Canadians complaining.
	They're like, this is after they lost five, nothing to us in the, in the pool rounds or whatever.
	They're like, God, we're, we're tired.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're totally.
	No, they're mad.
	Yeah.
	They're mad at like the organ, the people who are in charge of the Olympic team, like the national team and all that.
	They're like, yeah, they just have all these old players.
	Can't believe it.
	Like, this is, you know, we need to fire these people in charge of this team.
	Like Team Canada for women's was just, they were just, it was in disarray.
	And team, Team America, Team USA couldn't be flying higher.
	Our players are like freaking in their teens, practically.
	Yeah.
	So good.
	I mean, we got some vets, obviously, some really good veterans, but young team, I mean, it's just riding high.
	We go through, we beat every team.
	Quarterfinal round, we beat Italy 6-0.
	That's Italy.
	Who cares?
	They don't really play hockey.
	Sweden is a good hockey country.
	Yeah.
	Semifinal.
	We beat Sweden 5-0.
	We still have allowed one goal in this entire tournament.
	One goal.
	I mean, it's unheard of.
	I mean, it's just like the domination.
	And so we get to this Canada gold medal game, U.S. versus Canada.
	And I'm, you know, anything can happen any given Sunday.
	You never know.
	I mean, like, we're talking about two of the best countries when it comes to hockey.
	Yes, but we were so much.
	I know, I know.
	But I'm not sitting here thinking, we got this.
	We got this.
	Inside Santa Julia Arena, the winner will take the gold, the United States and Canada.
	They meet for the seventh time in eight gold medal games in women's hockey.
	Canada has won the gold five times and the United States twice.
	The USA has beaten them the last seven times they have met dating back to the world championships, but we are down to a one-game tournament.
	No matter what has happened up to this moment, it's the next 60 minutes that will make or break this team's legacy.
	And then the game happens.
	And instantly, you remember how much pressure is a part of it.
USA vs Canada Gold Medal Match 00:14:27
	Yeah.
	How much experience.
	And then I was starting to think like, shit, maybe, maybe Canada was onto something.
	Maybe having these old experienced players, I mean, our team looked nervous.
	They just weren't doing the same things they were doing in the middle.
	They were connecting on the passes.
	They were just not there.
	And I was like, fuck, are we really going to lose this poor, amazing U.S. women's team that deserves so much?
	Foster Laplace for Canada.
	Up the boards and out of the zone played by Stacey.
	With Canada shorthanded, Lawrence Stacey across.
	O'Neill scores.
	Short-handed.
	It's a 1-0 lead.
	This game was more important to Canada than the U.S. and they get it.
	This is big for them.
	Great move by Stacey to come down and met O'Neill with a good finish.
	What they do is they take advantage of Team USA, who's got two feet.
	It's one to nothing Canada the whole time.
	It wasn't like the USA played bad.
	They allowed one goal on a, I think, a breakaway, I believe it was.
	Or am I confusing with the men's?
	No, I think that was, and that was early, right?
	Yes, yes.
	Yeah, I think that was it.
	But we just couldn't get past this goalie.
	We couldn't score.
	It's hard to score in hockey.
	It's hard to do.
	And then when the pressure ramps up, you know, because scoring is often a thing you got to do with finesse.
	Well, yeah, you start to feel a little more desperate as the clock winds down, right?
	I've never played hockey, but I understand like a little bit of the mental just because like watching you play for a long time.
	I've been a Sharks fan since 08, I want to say, 2008, and so longer than you.
	And she even watches some of the games, guys.
	Yeah, I used to watch all of them.
	Don't you dare flex your fandom on me.
	Name a one-shot.
	Name one shot.
	Celebrate.
	It's not Celebrine or Will Smith.
	Name a shark, not name Celebrity.
	Go.
	Do it right now.
	Don't you, Google?
	Okay.
	You got Eklund?
	Did you do that yourself?
	Yeah, I did that myself.
	Good job.
	Thank you so much.
	Takoli.
	Oh, that's a good point.
	Yeah, Tofully.
	Oh, I wanted to talk about Toffee Remember.
	We should.
	I'm glad you remembered that because that is actually important.
	I do want to talk about that because it's remind me to get to the examples.
	There are good examples of men in the NHL.
	Good.
	So, point is exactly right.
	Like the desperation starts to get to you as the clock winds down and you start doing things a little crazy.
	When you're desperate and you're having to play so hard, that's what I love about hockey is the combination.
	I don't know if there's another sport quite like this where you have to be killing yourself trying so hard and then do finesse things often.
	Like football, yeah, okay, there's throwing catching, but like a lot of times you're just running.
	You're just trying to pound the ball forward.
	That feeling of like, imagine being desperate, like you're just like, God, I got to score, got to win, got to win.
	That might lend itself unless you're me and you have an anxiety disorder and it gives you a heart attack.
	If you're not me, that might lend itself to like, oh, I'm just going to pound something hard.
	I'm just going to go, If you do that in hockey, it does help in some situations, but you also have to make really delicate passes and shots and stuff.
	And like it's, it's such a, there's so many times that I, as an amateur hockey player, skate my ass off to a puck, which feels to me like it's really fast.
	And I'm skating hard.
	I get there.
	And then like I try to do something with it.
	And because I'm so pumped on the adrenaline of trying to get there and beat the person to the puck, then I do something way too hard.
	Like I'll pass it like way over someone because like, oh, I forgot to switch to the like fucking finesse mode.
	It's really hard.
	And so put that energy into the wrists at that point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I've totally, I've thrown a pass like way over a person because of that.
	Because it's really hard.
	Like it's the presence of mind you need.
	And so often this is going to happen.
	You push, you want to push harder.
	And this team, this U.S. women's team is so good.
	You want to push harder that it took until the last second, six on five.
	We pull our goalie and then all of a sudden.
	Keller Edwards.
	Janekey.
	There's Keller.
	Now Janeke plays the puck.
	United States bed is empty.
	Jadake winning.
	Up the board's Carpenter.
	Now Edwards across the Keller.
	Knocked out to Edwards.
	Edwards with a shot.
	Score!
	The United States ties it with the goaltender code with 2-0-4 remaining.
	The captain, Hillary Knight.
	How about this?
	From a face-off win, Hillary Knight, the captain, five-time Olympian with that goal, becomes the all-time leader in women's Olympic goal scoring and point scoring history.
	And it is a beautiful tip.
	And they finally get one pass.
	And Renee Debienne.
	Desperation mode.
	Team USA ties the game.
	It was, what's her name?
	It was the D.
	No, it was the D that shot it.
	Oh, that shot.
	Layla Edwards.
	Oh, yeah.
	First, black female for hockey women's for USA women's for sure.
	She had been struggling.
	I was a little worried.
	Like, she seemed like she was pretty nervous.
	She was great during the tournament, but then, you know, I was like, oh, you know, I can't understand how anyone could do any of this.
	I would have seven heart attacks just walking into the building.
	Yeah.
	So it's not a judgmental thing.
	I was just like, damn, I feel bad for them.
	There's some players that just have it and thrive under the pressure.
	And there's some that, like, you can tell, like, they just aren't the same.
	They aren't the same under that intense pressure.
	And believe me, I get it.
	I can't believe anyone can do anything under that pressure.
	It's so hard.
	And so Layla Edwards having kind of not a great game till that last second.
	She shoots from the point, I believe, if I'm remembering correctly.
	And then, of course, Hillary Knight tipped it in.
	They tie it last minute.
	So this whole game.
	And here's what I wanted to say.
	The reason I wanted to build this up too is as good as the USA Women's has been, and it's been fucking phenomenal.
	It's been such a thrill to see how good they are.
	I am someone, I just, I just love greatness.
	I love watching people doing incredible things.
	Like, it's just cool.
	Like, we're only here on this fucking planet once.
	There's a lot of people who are anti-sports, but I just love watching the, I'll watch the best people do anything.
	I don't care what I don't care what their thing is.
	Bowling.
	Yeah, that's pretty boring.
	Curling, you watch.
	Oh, well, curling is just great.
	That's not even like an ironic thing.
	It's just a cool sport.
	I like it.
	I didn't watch much of it, but I would have.
	I mainly just couldn't find the time.
	But I will watch the best people at anything.
	And especially stuff like this when the more people who care about it, the better, because that means the more best you're getting.
	You know, you're getting from around the world.
	You're getting like the actual humanities best at something.
	I find it just amazing to watch that.
	And so I'm sitting here.
	I'm just as bummed as I am that I'm virtually certain the U.S. is going to lose because it's been one to nothing for the whole game.
	Yeah.
	It's so hard to score.
	I'm also sitting here being like, fucking Canada.
	Like, I got to hand it to them.
	Like, it gets lost in the fact that they did eventually obviously lose the game, but that might have been the most historic performance in and of itself because of how much they should have lost by.
	Right.
	They should have just been destroyed by the U.S., but they were so good.
	Like the improvement that they showed between the pool play and the gold medal game, that is in itself, that would have been the story forever.
	And it should still be.
	Like the fact that they lost, it should still be the story.
	It was incredible how well they did.
	And so I'm just sitting here like, this is just the best.
	This is the best.
	I love it.
	I love this sport.
	I love these women.
	I love watching it.
	And of course, Keller in overtime with just this incredible move.
	I mean, this move that just like, objectively speaking, so nice to watch.
	The Albert Pastor Keller, a defenseman, high school, cuts to the net.
	Scar Megan Keller, the overtime hero, the United States, Golden Balloon.
	And you said was having kind of a tough game as well.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I can't remember now.
	That's what I recall while we were watching it.
	Yeah, because kind of everyone was like, Canada was doing a great job.
	And USA women did not look like themselves.
	And so, oh, God, she wins.
	I was screaming my face off.
	I couldn't believe I was crying.
	I was like, this is the greatest thing.
	So good.
	We watched the whole meta.
	I'm going to cry right now.
	God damn it.
	It was so good.
	It was so good.
	Oh, man.
	And Hillary Knight having proposed the night before.
	Yeah.
	Ah, so good.
	Such a baller move.
	And so it's such, it's this celebration of women, of queerness, of everything, everything that Trump and Mega.
	Sorry.
	Everything that Trump and MAGA are against it.
	Everything that's under threat right now, you know?
	Yeah.
	Couldn't be more the groups of people who MAGA and these fucking fascists are coming down hardest.
	That they just denigrate.
	Yeah.
	Showing like the most excellence of anyone in our fucking country.
	Ooh, God.
	Sorry.
	Give me a sec.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just pure bliss.
	Just pure bliss.
	Then the men's.
	I'm not going to talk much about the men's.
	I was reading for my beautiful, amazing boy, Macklin Salabrini.
	So much to take away.
	I'm not going to waste too much time, but the fact that this 19-year-old was like one of the best players on a team that most goals, yeah, not most points, but most goals on a team that was historically stacked, like so good.
	So that was fun.
	But then they lose to the fucking Americans.
	And this wasn't like, this wasn't like the Team Canada thing where actually Team Canada and the men's dominated the game.
	Yeah.
	It's just the goalie played phenomenally, just a phenomenal game.
	A lot of that's down to luck, but it's also skill.
	He's really good.
	Hellebuck is really good.
	He's had a hell of a time in the playoffs.
	He hasn't been good.
	He plays great.
	The USA wins.
	And for a second, I was like, okay, do I, I guess, you know, I'm really bummed, but like, okay, maybe I'll feel good for a second.
	Like, maybe I'll just be, okay, you know, it has been since 1980.
	Miracle on ice.
	The Hughes brothers seen.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The Hughes brothers seem cool.
	And there was this Jack Hughes took to kind of a high stick.
	From the player I hear, yeah, they almost made me like them because the player I hate the most on Team Canada, this fucking dick wad, Sam Bennett, who just hurts people, high sticks Jack Hughes in the face.
	He loses teeth in the gold medal game.
	He's going around.
	Like it's disgusting.
	There's blood.
	Yep.
	It's gross.
	That power play, I think, is pretty much one of the reasons that I think I can't remember.
	You know, I guess they didn't score on it, but it gets power play means we're short.
	Like, I say we, means Team Canada was short for a critical two minutes of the last five minutes or something like that.
	So, you know, for a second, I was like, you know, maybe.
	Yeah.
	And Jack Hughes with like lost his teeth and stuff stayed in the game and ended up scoring, scoring the game-winning goal.
	Exactly.
	Incredible name.
	So it was like a beautiful little story that we got towards the end of the game.
	And then they talked about, you know, the Hughes is, right?
	It's the Hughes' mom.
	Yeah, Ellen Hughes.
	She's player development.
	And women's hockey and the women's team.
	And, you know, and they seem to be supportive of each other.
	It's like, you know, maybe, maybe I'll let myself kind of make just a little bit.
	I mean, I'm pretty mad.
	I hate seeing the fucking Kachuk celebrate anything.
	I can't stand those guys.
	They seem very MAGA to me.
	I'm like, all right, maybe I'll.
	And then within seconds.
	It was so within minutes.
	Quick.
	I turned it off because I'm not going to listen to our fucking anthem.
	That's where I draw the line.
	Yeah.
	I said, all right, I'm not going to sit through this middle ceremony.
	So I turn it off and then I start seeing on social media.
	What do we see?
	Fucking Kash Patel is in their locker room.
	In the fucking locker room.
	Drinking beer with them.
	They're all screaming.
	I don't care that they're drinking beer, that they're celebrating in their locker room.
	Why the fuck is Kash Patel there?
	And I was like really bothered by this.
	I remember I messaged you and you're like, well, you know, like he really likes hockey.
	I'm like, I don't know.
	No, I wasn't saying, well, you know, hey, I was explaining why he was there.
	Why he was there.
	I know, but I was like, I don't care.
	You like hockey.
	You're not there.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's just like if Todd Homan was there, it would be like, why is I'm just giving you the ex did you call him Todd?
	Oh, Tom, if Tom.
	We talked a lot about Todd on Tom and Homan were there.
	Yeah.
	I was just giving you like the explanation for why he made that happen.
	I wasn't saying that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	No, and I don't disagree with that.
	Yeah, but it was just like, I was so pissed.
	Giving you information.
	Don't go after me for this.
	I didn't do this.
	I know Kash Patel likes hockey.
	I know he plays correctly.
	No, he also goes to the Capitals game.
	I forgot if you needed that.
	Sorry.
	I know.
	Didn't mean to wasn't trying to.
	I'll never forget that his weirdo eyes are hockey player eyes.
	Like that and Patrick Marlowe eyes can exist in the same world.
	It's insane to me.
	Like you are not allowed to play hockey with eyes like that, Kash Patel.
	Blasphemy.
	And that was bad enough, but it was like, okay, fucking, all right, fine, whatever.
	I was pretty quickly was like, I hate this, but I didn't get over it, but that's okay.
	No, I was mad, but what I'm saying is it didn't like ruin my day, but I was like, yeah, this sucks.
	And then we get the fucking worst thing.
	So Kash Patel pulls out his phone and calls DT on his, on his color ID there, Donald Trump.
	So there's a lot of stuff that happened in this locker room with Kash Patel wearing a gold medal.
	They're singing.
	It's courtesy of the red, white, and blue, the Angry American subtitle by Toby Keith 2002.
	And all these fuckers are singing the words.
	So weird.
	So that's a bad sign.
	I've never heard my flag.
	Yeah, I might have heard it when we were bombing Iraq.
	Like, I kind of remember that.
	Yeah.
	Courtesy of the red, white.
	I mean, it's just bullshit.
	Like, that's a bad sign.
	And then Kash Patel, as you said, calls Trump.
	Right.
	One minute.
	One minute.
	And by the way, you've only played not bad.
	How are you?
	Say hi.
	How you doing, Don?
	I have seen hockey goalies have slightly worse games than this.
	It's unbelievable.
	And you are all unbelievable.
	And that team is pretty good you play.
	I don't know.
	You know, I tell you what.
	I just told my people two minutes ago, I didn't know they'd be going.
	I said, we're giving the State of the Union speech on Tuesday night.
	I could send a military plan or something.
	But if you would like to, it's the coolest night.
	It's the biggest.
	It's the coolest night.
	Can you pick us up in Miami on Tuesday morning?
	Yeah, Tuesday morning.
	Those are Northern lawyers.
	We'll get cash and we'll get the military to get you guys over.
	I'm going to get a State of the Union.
	The nice thing about being president is, I can tell you, you don't have to worry about the weather or landing.
	We don't care if it's the worst collision.
Addressing Inappropriate Comments 00:11:42
	We sail into an SUV just like you did on the ice.
	Thank you, Mr. President.
	Then we'll do it at the White House, Angie.
	What would really be cool?
	And we'll do the White House the next day.
	We'll just have some fun.
	We have medals for you guys.
	And we have to, I must tell you, we're going to have to bring the woman's team.
	You do know that.
	I do believe I probably would be impeached, okay?
	But anyway, if you could work that out.
	Yeah, fuck you.
	Yeah, so freaking dumb.
	Fuck you.
	He's going to have to invite the team that was way fucking better and beat the living shit out of all the competition.
	Right, right.
	It's just, it's, it's, it's just so sad.
	So that instantly, it was so bad that it was like, oh, okay, this almost like they failed so spectacularly and the whole internet was dragging them so badly.
	I was like, oh, that makes me feel better about Canada losing.
	I was like, okay, at least they instantly became the villains for most people.
	Yeah, it was, it was honestly remarkable, like how quickly that day just went from feeling like really good.
	Yeah, I saw it on the internet too.
	Like people, yeah, people were like, okay, those Hughes brothers, you know, they seem, and that's the other thing.
	We were trying to judge beforehand, you know, and we're trying to talk about it because like, ah, what, what bright sides are there?
	And, you know, you, we had talked about like, well, the Hughes brothers had the pride tape thing, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Quinn Hughes was one of the ones that came out and continued to do like Pride Night.
	Even though they did it.
	Even though the NHL tried to ban it.
	Yeah.
	Because you can't bring Paul.
	And he was like, and he was like, no, this is important.
	You know, I'm going to, I'm going to show up and show out kind of thing.
	Yeah.
	And so it was like, okay, maybe, you know, maybe not all that so bad.
	And then, and then this happens.
	Yeah.
	And this is just, this is, it's just awful.
	It's just awful.
	And it was so silent for such a long time.
	It felt.
	I was waiting for USA hockey to say something because like the backlash was pretty swift.
	It was pretty messed up.
	Vast majority of people were pretty upset online, at least in our circles and stuff.
	Yeah, I don't know how to judge that anymore.
	I don't know.
	But yeah, there definitely was a backlash.
	People were upset.
	But I was so surprised that like even getting statements together for this now, I was surprised how quiet it still has been.
	And like we've gotten barely anything like in terms of substance, but even just to get that little bit, it feels like it's impossible for anyone to even come forward and say anything.
	It's been just really dry.
	Sucks.
	This sucks in every, in every way, shape and form.
	I try to be reasonable.
	I try to understand, okay, there's a lot of people who just aren't into politics.
	Yes, the Kachucks and some other fucking fuckwits through MAGA, like whatever.
	But maybe I just had to, I'm just trying to understand.
	Whoever said like close the northern border, like that person's, that person's clued into some, some amount of politics.
	Yeah, I could see that meant as a joke in a way that would, that, that might not be horrible, but also you don't know.
	You don't fucking guess.
	Yeah.
	Also, Kash Patel's in your locker room.
	So if you don't want politics, then maybe don't talk about immigration fucking topic next to laughing along with the fascists who have murdered citizens and stuff.
	Like it's just, yeah, it's, it's, it's horrific.
	But I'm trying to think like, okay, maybe some of them, they just are those kind of people who just don't really pay attention and you win and the president of your country calls.
	I, I, you know, you're carried away with emotion.
	I could see being, I could see the part where you're like, okay, this is whatever.
	It is kind of cool, I guess.
	If you, again, if you're not political and, you know, I'm just trying, I'm just bargaining.
	I'm trying to think like maybe not all of, I'm trying to bargain into maybe not all of them are the worst fucking person, you know?
	Yeah.
	And then this joke happens.
	Even then I could say, okay, I get in the heat of the moment in a situation like that.
	I don't blame people for like, I'm not expecting anyone to turn into a woke Aaron Sorkin speech.
	Like that's just not going to happen.
	I agree.
	It's not going to happen.
	And I think it did, I think it did genuinely catch them off guard.
	Like I think, you know, the guys like two for two, like they, when it first brought up, they were saying celebratory things about the women's team.
	I think that pretty much everyone in that locker room, if not everyone, supports the women's U.S. hockey team.
	Oh, 100%.
	It's not necessarily about that.
	That's all they'll tell you too, with their statements, by the way.
	But that's the end of understanding.
	What I can't believe hasn't happened is that there hasn't been a single to my mind.
	And you've checked on this and going to get kind of, I guess, an update because I haven't checked on it in a while.
	But the fact that, okay, in the heat of the moment, fine, whatever.
	But now the dust is settled.
	Is anyone going to say anything like an apology or even a statement that would make this okay?
	That would, that would show that you understand how shitty and sexist this is.
	Because what's the joke?
	What's the joke Trump's making?
	Like someone to riddle me the joke.
	The joke is fucking women.
	I can't believe they allow them to play sports.
	Like what there's no other plan.
	You're gonna have to invite them too.
	Sorry, guys.
	You're gonna have to invite the gold medal women's amazing team fucking.
	You're gonna have to share the space with them because if you don't, then he's apologizing to the men as though they are gonna have a problem with it.
	And I know Trump is joking, but that's where the joke comes from.
	The joke doesn't make sense without the sexist backing assumptions behind it.
	It's not legible without the sexism behind it.
	So I'm just hoping.
	Give me somebody.
	I'm just like, maybe the Hughes brothers, who, by the way, as we said, their mom like works with the team.
	I was thinking, okay, surely, surely someone is going to say something that is at least like, okay, I'll give them, you know, a half a point of credit for trying.
	Surely.
	But what did we get?
	Yeah, I'll send you a couple things.
	We can just play through a couple of these guys and see if anything lands for you.
	What do you think?
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	All right.
	First up, Austin Matthews.
	So this next part of the show will be me slowly losing respect for people that I used to love to watch play stuff.
	Yeah.
	To me, I don't like to get political or get into that kind of stuff.
	I mean, like I said, we're proud Americans and, you know, winning a gold medal, it's been 46 years since the men's ice hockey team has done that.
	So, I mean, the team that wins the Samley Cup every year accepts the White House invitation to go.
	So, I mean, I just think it's something that you do, you know, because we are proud Americans and whatever your political beliefs may be.
	I mean, hopefully something like this will, you know, hopefully bring more unity to the country and stuff like that.
	Austin.
	We believe it's a great honor no matter who's in who's in office.
	Your phone call to you kind of elicited some negative reaction because I probably mentioned the women's team.
	I know you guys became very close with that team there.
	I'm just wondering your thoughts on that.
	Yeah, it was unfortunate.
	I mean, we, you know, we love the women's team.
	We support them.
	I mean, the night we won the gold medal, we were hanging out in the dining hall till like three, four in the morning.
	You're going to hear that from everybody by that.
	It's unfortunate that, you know, that kind of occurred.
	We have nothing but love and respect for the women's team and what they were able to accomplish.
	And, you know, it's amazing that, you know, the men's and women's ice hockey teams are both bringing home gold medals for the United States of America.
	And I think that should be talked about more than the other.
	But we're extremely proud of them and happy for them.
	And we support them 100%.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's unfortunate.
	What's unfortunate?
	What happened?
	Tell me what happened.
	What's the thing that's unfortunate?
	Somebody tell me.
	Oh, you know, it was an accident that what?
	Like, what's the unfortunate thing?
	I want to know what he thinks it is.
	Because that's the thing.
	Because they don't want to talk about it because they don't actually, I think what they think is unfortunate is the back.
	Is that anyone cared?
	Yeah.
	They think it's unfortunate that like I think in their minds to give them credit and I don't mean to give them tons of credit, but just to just to like to be fair, I bet he doesn't, from his point of view, he's, he's saying clearly, I don't agree with the sentiment.
	So it's unfortunate that happened because now it's put the focus on something that we don't agree.
	But it's not just an unfortunate thing that happened.
	The part that is driving me crazy is that no one anywhere ever is allowed to expect anything from the president of the United States.
	He just gets to be an unfortunate.
	It's unfortunate.
	Darn.
	Bummer.
	Bummer that that happened.
	And bummer that someone caught her on camera.
	No one gets to say, yeah, no, even if you said, yeah, I thought it was pretty cool that the president, we were talking to the president until he said that fucking shit.
	What was that?
	What was that?
	What would a normal human being reaction be if you were a normal human who gave a shit?
	Yeah.
	Like in a social situation, you'd be like, what?
	Why are you joking like that?
	What are you talking about?
	Why would we not, why would you not invite the WIMS team?
	They won and they fucking rule.
	What do you mean?
	What do you mean, sir?
	I wish you could do the thing.
	I know I don't blame him in the moment.
	Again, I can't.
	Exactly.
	There's no way like I would never have the presence of mind in that kind of moment.
	Winning a gold medal, you're celebrating with your president on the phone.
	But later, collect yourself and say, you know, yeah, that sucks that he said that.
	That was a bad thing to say.
	Someone just show the bare minimum of saying, yeah, that wasn't a good thing to say.
	I'm not super into going to the White House now because he said that.
	I just would love a single person to say anything like what any other human, what anyone should say in a situation like this, which is, yeah, that was a bad, that was a shitty thing to say.
	Well, maybe Brady Kachuk will get a little closer.
	Yeah.
	That's, yeah, I should, you know what?
	I should give my rubric before, you know, before we go through this.
	Give me some, I will, I will grade this fucking team on such a curve.
	I will, I will let you fucking do a drawing for extra credit in this class.
	All you have to say is, yeah, that was a messed up thing to say.
	Any, anything, anything like, that was, yeah, that was a bad thing to say.
	I don't, hopefully, you could even say, yeah, I think he was trying to make a joke, but yeah, that was a bad thing to say.
	I don't like it.
	I mean, it's messed up.
	Anything.
	Give me the slightest, the slightest condemnation of the thing that was said.
	Let's see what he does.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's go.
	Let's deal with another one.
	Here we go.
	Are you sorry we saw?
	I know you supported the women's team.
	I saw you watching your semifinal.
	I heard KK talking about you, Abby Murphy.
	Would you understand how they could feel pretty put down by that moment?
	I mean, I get it.
	I think, yeah, I mean, I don't really, of course, we're, I have no really other comments other than for the things that we can control.
	And that was, you know, we supported them.
	They support us.
	Can't control about what other people say.
	That's just kind of life itself.
	But for us, I thought not just the importance, but it was fun being around them.
	It was fun seeing them play.
	It was fun to see the excellence that they brought every single game and how they're by far the best team in that tournament.
	It was just fun hanging out with them after, you know, picking their brains.
	They're picking our brains.
	And it was just fun to be around them.
	So then why would you laugh when they got invited?
	I mean, I don't really have an answer.
	Honestly, it was just a whirlwind of a moment that you can't really control what somebody says.
	And it just, I guess, caught off guard a little bit.
	But I mean, when you're talking to the president 10 minutes after you just achieve your dream, it's just the fact that you're talking to him.
	It's just, you can't really believe where your life's at that you're talking to the president of the United States after you just won a gold medal.
	Have you ever spoken to the women after the fact, after that moment?
	Did you speak to any of the women's players after that phone call?
Megan Kelly Interview Reaction 00:09:49
	Does this say?
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know if, because everybody's kind of gone to their respective seasons and they're playing.
	And obviously, if I see one of them, then we'll just talk about, I mean, the excitement of what we could control, and that's to be gold medalists and champions of the world.
	So I know it's not just, you know, the men's team and the women's team separately are going to be linked together forever.
	There's both teams.
	I think this is the first time that the U.S. has gone two for two in the Olympics as, you know, hockey champs.
	So we're kind of linked together forever.
	Did you ever think that all of this could be so cold or ice cream?
	I mean, I definitely didn't.
	I was just to me, it's not a lot of the guys in the room achieve their childhood dreams that to just have that memory together.
	I mean, I know I wasn't thinking about, you know, the politics of it because at the end of the day, we're the guys on the ice playing, sacrificing our bodies and doing whatever it takes to win and all that other stuff that I can't control and can't do anything about it.
	I appreciate how much they tried to actually get on him.
	The most clear opinion he has, like the hardest stance he's willing to take, is when they ask him about the AI video that the White House posted about basically like making fun of Canada.
	What was the video exactly?
	It was basically him, him in quotes saying negative things about Canada.
	And the White House posted it on their social media accounts.
	And if you go to 932, we'll get the question leading up to it and how Brady feels about it.
	Okay, I have a prediction that he will be much better on this.
	The White House posted a video of you, a fake AI video, and you're saying derogatory things about Canada.
	How do you feel about that?
	Yeah, well, it's clearly fake because it's not my voice and not my lips moving.
	So, I mean, I'm not in control of any of those accounts.
	And I know that those words would never come out of my mouth.
	So I can't do anything about it.
	Do you like it?
	Do I like it?
	Do you like the video about that?
	Do I like it?
	I mean, it's not my voice, not what I was saying.
	So, yeah, I mean, I would never say that.
	That's not who I am.
	So, yeah, I guess.
	Why is it so hard to have?
	And because that's just never would come out of my mouth, never thought.
	And I'll leave it at that.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Why leave it at that?
	So it actually wasn't much better.
	It wasn't much better, but it was a little, he eventually said, I didn't like it.
	Yeah, he was able to say, oh, he did eventually say, I didn't like it.
	That's from my reading of the transcript on this.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And the difference is men.
	He is going to go home and play on a team where a bunch of men that he plays with are from the country that the fake video is.
	He plays for Ottawa.
	He plays in Canada.
	He plays in Canada.
	Oh, you're going to think about that.
	I forgot which team he played.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But I think beyond that, I think the reaction would be in his mind, he's like, wait, the people affected by this are people I give a shit about.
	Don't give a shit about women's or liberals' reaction to anything.
	Oh, these are my brothers.
	Yeah, this is something I actually do care about this because a man will be affected by it.
	That's what I think is going on there.
	Yeah.
	And maybe by their read, something like Canada can be less quote unquote politics than a joke at the expense of women.
	But it's still not great.
	Again, because his Lord and Savior, probably Donald Trump, you can't criticize.
	He has to be talked about.
	Here's the thing that drives me nuts about this, and it's been true of Trump from the beginning, but especially with this.
	We get to treat the president of the United States like a baby who is shit a diaper.
	Yeah.
	You get to talk about the guy who runs the country as like, yeah, boy, it sucks that that baby shit is diaper.
	When we're celebrating, yeah, it stunk.
	I mean, it happened.
	I can't control it.
	It does stink that, you know, there was a baby shit a diaper.
	There's not a sense in which you can be like, yes, the thing that this sentient human did who can make choices and, by the way, is in control of the country was bad.
	Was messed up poor leadership.
	And I do not support those statements.
	And makes me think less of him as a person.
	Like, this is just, you don't have to be the woke mafia.
	You just got to be like, yeah, that's not cool.
	You can, I would even, again, I'm grading on such a curve.
	I would, for the, because this is fucking athletes, this NHL players, give me somebody who said, yeah, that, you know, I didn't really process it in real time, but yeah, no, I wouldn't have laughed at that.
	I don't think that's a good joke.
	I wonder if by the time we're done here, you're going to have any good examples of that.
	But I'll leave that aside.
	I also, there's something that I want to see if you think is valid.
	There's something I can't help but notice.
	Maybe my woke ass is reading too much into it, but I just feel like as a society, we are all, and I think this happens on a micro-relationship level, on an interpersonal level.
	I think it happens at a societal level.
	You know, I've kind of talked about this before in different terms, but I can't help but hear how many ways we desperately want it to be okay for the men.
	Yeah.
	But when we're mad at a woman as a society, we just want to be mad at her.
	We're just like, ha, fuck this person.
	She's, they can never make it right.
	No, it's impossible.
	But with the men, she's like, yeah, we know, we know you, you love, you love, like they started the Brady Kachuk one.
	And I think that questioner was doing good.
	This is not at all to besmirch the questioner.
	I think she was doing a good job.
	And I think she was kind of doing what she has to do because of our stupid society.
	But you have to be like, hey, we know you support the women's team.
	But like, can you understand why that would have, you know, been a little offensive?
	Like, we're desperate to make it okay for them, to do their job for them.
	I don't disagree.
	I think there's also another angle to the way that she's framing that question.
	And that's we see that same exact rhetoric from every single one of these players.
	It's like, you know, we really love and respect the women's team.
	You know, we're always supporting them.
	So you show she's like cutting that off.
	Yeah, I think there's a strategy to that.
	Totally could be.
	I think you're probably right just because I really liked her interviewing.
	I think I don't know who that is.
	You know what?
	I should just like a little Ottawa lady.
	I want to give people some basis of comparison.
	Hockey interviews are terrible.
	They are the worst thing.
	That right there, I was actually going to make the joke.
	Even though it was like a bad answer from Brady, I was actually going to joke, like, this is actually the best hockey interview I've ever done.
	I'm like, oh, that's kind of media.
	Normally, so fucking bad.
	Well, and not just the hockey players.
	The hockey players are bad.
	They're boring.
	But the questions are also so fucking awful.
	They're like, so how did you feel about your goalie tonight?
	It'll just be that.
	It's just nothing.
	And even when they're trying to be like contentious, it'll be like, so do you feel really disappointed that you didn't win the Stanley Cup?
	It's like, yes.
	Obviously.
	It's like, they're terrible.
	Like hockey interviews are notoriously terrible.
	So to hear that person that you played, that interview, she sounded really good.
	I wonder if it's, oh, Ottawa is probably more of a hockey market.
	It could also be like in the United States, we kind of have like the dregs.
	Like it's just not, we don't have like fucking Walter Cronkite on our on our hockey interviews, but they're notoriously bad.
	I think she was doing a great job.
	You're probably right.
	But I do think, broadly speaking, though, I do think we are doing that, though.
	I think so many people, when it's a woman, we're just like, hey, do you know you suck?
	Will be the question.
	When it's a man, it's like, hey, you probably didn't mean it.
	And like, you know, we know you're just so great, but like, and you're, you're awesome.
	But like, could you maybe, do you sort of get why other people might put yourself in their shoes for a little bit?
	Like, could you also see you're kind of feeding them the answer a little bit too?
	Yeah, the bar is so fucking low.
	It's so fucking low.
	Because it really could be in another, like in a just world, I think it would be, hey, man, what the fuck?
	Like you just heard a pedophile, a guy who's in the Epstein files and is likely fucked kids.
	You heard him make a joke that the, oh, he's going to have to invite the women who, by the way, are way fucking better than you.
	Yeah.
	Like just relative speaking, they're way better.
	And you guys laughed along with that.
	Like, what the fuck?
	Like that, that's if it were a just world, that's the tone it should be, maybe slightly less hostile, like give him a chance, but it, but we bend over backwards for dudes.
	Well, you're ready to lower the bar a little bit even more.
	It is, it's pretty low.
	Well, because we have another Kachuk brother that we're going to visit.
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	Now we're going to be able to do that.
	The worst one, too.
	I don't know.
	They're both bad.
	They're both pretty bad.
	We're going to go see Matthew Kachuk.
	And he didn't just give an interview, you know, in the locker room during a hockey game, pre-game, post-game, whatever.
	He went on Megan Kelly.
	What the?
	Oh, hockey journalist Megan Kelly.
	Yeah, hockey journalist Megan Kelly.
	He went on NHL Network's Megan Kelly.
	Unbiased, unpolitical.
	Non-political, non-political, right?
	Because we don't want to bring politics into this.
	So let's go on Megan Kelly.
	I confess, since you already, I already heard you say that.
	Otherwise, my natural reaction would have been bigger.
	What the fuck is he doing on Megan Kelly?
	She's not a hockey person that I know of.
	Maybe.
	Am I wrong?
	Is she like a hockey fan?
	I don't think she's necessarily a hockey fan.
	I think she looks for culture touchdowns to go.
	That's the point.
	It would be like I'll allow for maybe it's like, oh, no, it turns out she actually loves hockey and she talks and they'll be like, she and Kash Patel are on the same team.
	Yeah.
	Nope.
	Well, they are on the same team, but yeah, co-ed beerly.
	Fascism.
	Yeah, fascism.
	Team fascism.
	Yeah, that's like saying he's going on Tucker Carlson.
Obama Joke Controversy Explained 00:10:59
	So you're already, I mean, it's barely barely.
	All these people whining about this becoming, you know, I don't want to make it political.
	And then you're going to go on Steve Hitler's radio show.
	The alt-rights megaphone, basically.
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah.
	So let's go.
	Let's go check in with him and her hard-hitting questions.
	What is he doing on this show?
	Just like last year at the Four Nations playing for USA, we got a surprise call from the president of the United States, which is remembering a surreal moment.
	Like you have no idea that it's like we're hockey players and now the president's calling us to congratulate us.
	Like just all insane and it's amazing what that, what that game did.
	It was such an honor.
	So cool that the president of the United States was watching our game and just, it was such a surreal moment.
	Did you have any hesitation?
	Because it didn't sound like it when he said, you guys want to come to the State of the Union?
	We'll get you on a plane.
	Yeah.
	Like to me, it was very charming that there didn't need to be a focus group meeting before you gave your answer.
	But did you feel any hesitation before you said yes?
	No, I mean, just going off, like winning the last few Stanley Cups, like getting invited to the White House, no matter who's there, it's just the greatest honor as an American, one of the greatest honors as an American.
	So everybody on our team was so excited and honored and shocked to get the invite.
	And then they said the State of the Union was that night, which guarantee you nobody on our team has been to.
	So another really cool experience.
	Or maybe even ever watched it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then so we had that experience and it was just getting a call, getting a call Sunday to go to that on Tuesday back in the U.S. and being like, how are we going to get there?
	All right, they're sending Air Force 2.
	It was just, I couldn't believe it.
	So just surreal people.
	Air Force 2.
	Isn't that the vice president?
	Yeah, it's the vice president.
	JD Vance is going commercial.
	Hey, JD, you're not using your fucking plane.
	They're going to use it.
	Okay.
	You and OSHA can fly economy back.
	You can either stay wherever the hell, I don't know where you are.
	You stay where you are or just, I guess, ride with them somewhere, but don't take up too much room.
	Forget JD Vance.
	God, fuck that guy.
	The president makes this joke about the women's team.
	By the way, we played it on our social media.
	It's gone totally viral.
	President Barack Obama made a joke about the men's team when he called the women's hockey team or sorry, soccer team after they won.
	I think it was the World Cup or some big match.
	But any event, President Obama did the exact same thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	He did it about the men's team.
	It seems we have an experience of all hockey teams and soccer and sports teams being able to have a friendly laugh at a presidential joke about members of the opposite sex.
	But with you guys, certain people on the left try to turn it into a capital.
	Sorry, Yeah.
	Is she suggesting that the joke is like, ew, boys?
	And I'm trying to figure out.
	Cuties.
	We don't want those boys around.
	Like that's that, the way she's putting it is like, yeah, you know, you have just like a little joke at their expense.
	It's like, no, in either, in both those, I don't know what the Obama thing is.
	I'm just looking it up.
	So from what I can tell, it says he famously joked that the team taught everyone that, quote, playing like a girl means you're a badass.
	That can't be what she's talking about.
	I mean, that has nothing to do with that.
	That's all I'm seeing.
	All right.
	Well, that has nothing to do with anything.
	So if that's her example, that's just plain stupid.
	Yeah.
	But maybe there's something we don't know about that was different.
	But like, if there was, if he's like, oh, we'll have to invite the men, let's say.
	Yeah.
	The joke would still be the sexism that's normally there.
	You know what I mean?
	Like in either case, it's not like, oh, we can all make, see, like you get to make jokes about how women's sports suck.
	And then he'll make jokes about how men's sports suck.
	It's like, no, the joke in both of those is based on the fact that people are shitty about women's sports.
	So the joke would be like he's overcompensating or he's doing a joke the other way.
	That's not really the same.
	Like it's not like the way she put it where it's like, oh, you know, you know, men joke about women, that makes it like it's a cooties thing.
	Like, yeah, you just joke that you don't like each other or something.
	That's not what it is.
	That's literally all I'm saying, though, that Obama said.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So she just made it up, which is probably true.
	Yeah.
	Well, and in terms of also this idea of like denigrating women's sports, too, she does that on her main show with Andrew Clavin, which I watch, talking about how like no one actually watches women's sports.
	People watch men's.
	And why is it a big deal if we celebrate men more than we celebrate women?
	Because that's what the markets are, basically.
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	So it's a shitty thing to say.
	The joke is the joke only works.
	Trump's comment only works if it's like he doesn't give a shit about the women and why would you even invite them.
	That's the only way the joke is even intelligible.
	We know that that's what he means.
	You can't pretend that's not what he means.
	Yeah.
	Keep playing though.
	So how did you learn that this was blowing up into something some very bizarre people wanted to take offense at?
	Listen, we're bizarre.
	I was just telling a story this morning about how close we were with the women's team, how we were sharing the same floor.
	He was telling a story that every single one of them told us.
	The whole thing was us and the women's room.
	Or sorry, floor.
	And like we became super, super tight with them over the few weeks.
	We went to their games.
	They went to ours.
	We had like other events.
	A lot of people knew each other from before, but getting to know the rest of them.
	And yeah, like I think it's just all like completely blown up into something that's just not true because we were great, huge supporters of them and they were of us.
	And being able to sweep both gold medals for the first time ever is such an honor.
	One of the highlights.
	Honest to God, one of the highlights.
	Yeah.
	So I think this is something that is really frustrating.
	We mentioned it a little bit before in this show, but it's this idea that like you were cheering for the women's team.
	So then the things that you say behind their backs doesn't matter.
	Or that shirt you allow other people or that you allow other people to say and you laugh at their expense.
	Yeah.
	That is not a way to excuse away that behavior.
	Like it just, it can't.
	No one is saying that you aren't cheering for the women's team.
	No one is saying that you guys didn't get along.
	No one is saying that you guys weren't hanging out three in the morning in the cafeteria, you know, sharing lava cakes.
	That's like the anecdote that they all like to say.
	I've heard it so many times now.
	So many times.
	That's so annoying.
	It's very annoying.
	That all is true and accurate.
	However, when the opportunity arose, when someone else was ragging on the women's team that you say that you love and respect and admire and appreciate and have grown to love, you know, as fellow hockey players and stuff, when an opportunity presented itself when someone else was ragging on them, you did nothing.
	You did nothing in the moment, which again, I'm going to throw you a bone here.
	I get it.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I honestly don't imagine having the ability to turn that on that fast.
	I'm not sure.
	When you're celebrating the most important gold medal win, like, yeah, exactly.
	I fully like, that would have been cool if someone had been like, hey, what do you mean?
	Yeah.
	Like, imagine how cool that would have been, though.
	I don't get the joke.
	I don't get it.
	Oh, my God.
	I would have worshipped that.
	But you know how similar to the bar being low, there is a good side of that, which is like, hey, man, opportunity.
	If any dude wants to not fucking suck, it's cool.
	The bar is still low.
	You get to just not suck.
	Like when Andy, I think it's Andy something, the tennis player, where someone asked his face clip or someone asked.
	Yes.
	Or the first American or the first man to do this.
	And he's like, well, no.
	Well, no, no, he's not.
	Or the first tennis player.
	First tennis player to do this.
	First man.
	First, yeah, first man.
	Because the Williams sisters both did it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Amazing.
	Yeah, it's simple, but hey, in this day and age, fucking A, it's appreciated.
	Yeah.
	But again, I also get it.
	You don't do it in the moment.
	Totally.
	But it's been a week and a half now.
	Like there were so many opportunities for you to come out and clarify where you stood.
	And all I'm hearing is that you love and appreciate the women's team, but then that's a question.
	Right.
	But then also like you don't say anything about this and everyone's trying to make it political.
	Yep.
	What?
	It's just, it's not good enough.
	It's not good enough.
	And men, I know our wokeys that are listening to this.
	You guys are amazing.
	You guys are amazing.
	It is so easy.
	I'm a conflict averse person.
	One of the best things that I ever learned was like, if you hear a joke that you don't like and you don't want to call somebody out and say like, like that's racist or something like that, you can just say, I don't get it.
	Can you explain that to me?
	Like, just play dumb.
	Just play dumb.
	And then that puts them in the position where, I mean, and obviously this isn't going to happen with the president of the United States on the phone.
	Exactly.
	It would have been amazing.
	But that's an easy way if you find yourself in a situation where someone is saying something you don't like and trying to make a joke.
	Just, you don't have to laugh.
	You can just be like, oh, sorry, I don't get the joke.
	Can you explain it to me?
	And then put them in that position.
	So good.
	Yeah.
	To echo your point and to perhaps expand, it isn't that everyone thinks this was a sign you don't like the women's team.
	Right.
	But it is a sign that you sure as hell value the comfort of this other man more than you value that team.
	Yeah.
	You don't value them at all.
	You are willing to root for them.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	I take them at their word that they all very much rooted for the women's team and they wanted them to succeed.
	I believe all that.
	I believe that they probably think of them mostly as equals.
	But if in a social situation, just again, picture that you had a black friend.
	I know it's hard to imagine, Matthew Kachuk.
	Picture that you had a black friend and you also have another friend who is racist.
	And that black friend that you have sees you and this other guy and he makes a horrible racist joke and you laugh.
	And then the guy's like, dude, what?
	What the fuck?
	Your black friend is like, what the fuck?
	Would your response be like, oh, no, you know that I like you and I'm I'm I'm always I'm always cool with you.
	We go to lunch.
	Yeah.
	And I always want you as a friend.
	You'd be like, yeah, okay, but you're willing to abandon all of that and all those values the minute that it's this other person comes and says a shit.
	You think you want to do like if you're not willing to and again, forget calling them out.
	You're not even willing to criticize.
	You're not even willing to be like, after the fact in the safety and the comfort of your own home in this interview or whatever.
	Or even written statements.
	And yeah, and even prepare.
Criticizing Athlete Behavior 00:15:07
	I get it because they're athletes.
	They're conflict.
	They're worried about like, oh, I don't want people.
	You could even say it like, oh, yeah, I don't think, I think that was a not.
	You could even do a kiss ass fucking MAGA version where you still had some amount of dignity and being like, yeah, I think he was making a joke.
	That wasn't, I don't think it was a good joke.
	He shouldn't have said that.
	Give me one person.
	I know I've said it again.
	Maybe we'll see if we get there.
	No spoilers.
	Give me one person to at least have the fucking balls to say, yeah, that wasn't a good thing to say.
	That was kind of a shitty thing.
	I think he was joking.
	Even if you want to fucking give all of me the excuses, because I know these are fucking MAGA idiots.
	Give him the excuse.
	Oh, you know, he just likes, these older guy likes to make joke.
	Give even, even give, I'll even allow for that.
	If someone will give me a, yeah, no, that's a shitty thing to say in any way.
	I know.
	Well, you're going to have to keep listening to find out.
	Next, we're going to go to Connor Hallebuck.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah.
	And so I clicked on this interview and I thought it was going to be like a puff piece because it is on the Winnipeg Jets channel, but she did ask him about this.
	And so I want to give credit to, I guess, the Jets franchise because they were like, well, this is a question that Connor's going to be facing.
	So we might as well attack it now.
	But if you want to click through, I feel like the thing that he did here really pissed me off, actually.
	I was not pleased.
	The American men have won an Olympic gold medal in hockey and the team has been celebrated, but the team has also faced some criticism since that game and started like post-game with the video that came out of comments in the dressing room afterwards and reaction to it.
	You were there in the room.
	Can you take us through kind of what your reaction to all of this was?
	Yeah, you know, we were so excited.
	So like on cloud nine coming in that room.
	And then some things unfolded.
	And I'm sorry that that's the way that they unfolded.
	It's very unfortunate that the criticism that we're taking for all this, because that was not the way we intended it.
	I myself personally, and I know.
	Imagine if you and I were in an argument.
	Imagine I did something wrong.
	Yeah.
	And I'm like, look, I'm sorry for how that I'm sorry for the criticism that you're giving me right now.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's nothing, dude.
	Exactly.
	Literally nothing.
	Empty.
	Vacuum.
	Not even close.
	You're like, not even, you're not even in the realm of like bad apologies.
	Hunt, it gets worse.
	Okay, here we go.
	This entire team, we use the women's gold medal game as motivation for us to win gold.
	We were very quick.
	Because we're like, if a bunch of girls could do it, there was no one more excited for when they won than us.
	Like we wanted them to win just as badly.
	And you know, we use, it's unfortunate that it's getting, that their win is getting overshadowed right now because all they did was shut the fuck up.
	Their goalie, Aaron.
	Stop, stop.
	What?
	Their win is getting overshadowed?
	No, Connor.
	Yours is.
	Yeah.
	We still love the women.
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	This made me so mad.
	I've never seriously, I was so pissed off when I heard this.
	I was like, how dare you?
	How dare you try and like use women here now as a tool to make people stop going after you guys and asking you guys to be accountable and being like, you guys are overshadowing the women's win.
	Like you should be focused on their win.
	Think of the women.
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	We're mad about your win.
	It's overshadowing your win, asshole.
	Jesus Christ.
	This is the best.
	I'm so mad.
	So he goes on.
	He goes on to give props to the goalie for the women's team.
	I'm just going to say this.
	You know, we don't have to listen to freaking Connor Hellabuck anymore, but he says, you know, she had a 98 save percentage.
	Amazing.
	He said, Aaron, she led in two goals in the entire tournament, has a 98 save percentage.
	Someone in the comments on this says, Did he say the women's goalie only led in two goals all tournament and finished with a 98 save percentage?
	Wow.
	Very cool of him to acknowledge that.
	Maybe she should have been considered for the presidential medal of freedom along with Connor.
	That would have been impressive seeing both of them receive it at the same time.
	And I was like, oh, snaps for that.
	But like, fuck that.
	I'm, I mean, you guys know, I don't swear very often.
	Sometimes the show gets me going.
	This is maybe the maddest I've been ever.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I find this disgusting and manipulative.
	And you know, and if I were president, I would take away his Medal of Freedom, which he shouldn't have gotten.
	That's so stupid.
	Anyway.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	No, I'm glad you pointed that out.
	That's such a, yeah.
	Fucked.
	Hey, don't do this to the women.
	Yeah.
	You should stop criticizing me because it hurts the women.
	So dumb.
	Everyone has been singing the praises of the women's team in regardless of the bullshit that you guys have been doing.
	Everyone, including myself, has always been like, but I love the women.
	USA Women's Hockey turned off their comments.
	And I found one where the comments were open.
	And I was like, hey, you guys don't have to turn off your comments.
	We love you guys.
	This is about the men.
	Feel free to leave your comments on.
	It's just so, it's all, nobody has a will.
	Yeah.
	Nobody, it's, oh, it's unfortunate that that fucking bird flew in there.
	When we're like, what are you talking?
	They just, again, it's like a kid shoot his diaper, like a, like a natural event occurred.
	Oh, yeah, it's a shame that when we were celebrating, the, you know, the lights, power went out.
	It's like, that's how they talk about it.
	It's unfortunate.
	Yeah.
	Who could have, yeah, who could, I mean, and then it's unfortunate that we were criticized.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	How about that was a shitty thing to say.
	You're not listening.
	There's so many layers of better that you could be without even approaching being actually good.
	Yeah.
	And that's how far down they are.
	Like there's so many better ways they could have been and it still would have been mediocre as fuck.
	Yeah.
	That reaction might have been, in my opinion, the worst.
	Yeah, that's pretty bad.
	But I do want to go next to Jack Hughes because I think this might have been the first sort of response.
	And again, we were kind of singing his praises a little bit, you know, the Hughes brothers and that sort of story.
	And so I was eager to hear what he had to say after all of this.
	And I left very disappointed.
	Oh, man.
	Quite disappointed.
	Spoilers.
	Yeah.
	Excited to go to the White House and meeting Trump.
	Yeah, we're excited.
	I mean, anytime, like, everything is so political.
	We're just, we're athletes.
	We're so proud to represent the U.S.
	And when you get the chance to go to the White House, meet the president, you know, we're proud to be Americans.
	And, you know, that's so patriotic.
	So no matter what your views are, we're super excited to go to the White House tomorrow and just be a part of that.
	How do you feel about the women not going?
	They got busy schedules, too.
	I mean, we, I know we're getting a lot, like, everyone's given us backlash for all the social media stuff today, but it's so negative.
	People are so negative out there, and they're trying to find a reason to just like cool down and make, like, make something out of almost nothing, but, you know, almost nothing.
	Our relationship with them over the course of being in the Olympic Village, we like, I think we were so tight with their group and our group after we won the gold medal.
	We're in the cafeteria at 3.30 in the morning with them.
	I know.
	We go right from that.
	We pack our bags and we're on the bus.
	So you guys, like, people are so negative about things, but I think everyone in that locker room, you know, knows how much we support them, how proud we are of them.
	And we feel the same, the same way we feel about them.
	We know they feel that way about us.
	Definitely.
	Well, they shouldn't.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, that's pretty bad, too.
	Yeah.
	Everyone's so negative.
	They're so negative.
	They're just looking to find something new.
	They're making it out of almost nothing.
	Almost nothing.
	I like how he hesitated.
	They're making it out of almost nothing.
	He almost said nothing, but he's like, hey, I should give him a little bit.
	Yeah.
	It's just so frustrating again because we mentioned it's Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes, but also that their mother, Ellen Hughes, has been involved.
	I mean, she played for the U.S. women's team.
	Yeah, and is involved in it now.
	And she's involved in the Olympics.
	She's involved in the PWHL, obviously been a hockey mom her whole motherhood journey as well.
	And I was really disappointed with her comments too.
	So I'll send that to you.
	We might as well play those too.
	It's getting a little traction.
	A video that came out afterwards.
	It shows the men's team talking to the president of the United States and he was inviting them to the State of the Union and all that.
	And then he said a comment that gained attention.
	He said, I must tell you, we're going to have to bring the women's team.
	You know that and the room kind of laughs.
	And he added, I do believe I probably would be impeached.
	She was sort of joking through this, but you're cheering on both teams.
	How did that comment land for you?
	Well, I think at the end of the day, it's just about the country.
	And the moment that these players, both the men and women, can bring so much unity to a group and to a country.
	Certainly not.
	People that cheered on that don't watch hockey, people that have politics on one side or on the other side.
	That's mainly the one.
	That's all both the men's team and the women's team care about.
	If you could see what we see from the inside, and the men and women sharing, you know, dorms, dorm rooms, and halls and flex floors, and the camaraderie and the synergy, and the way the women cheered on the men, and the way the men cheered on the women.
	That's what it's all about.
	And the other things they cannot control.
	Oh, really?
	They care about humanity.
	They care about unity and they care about the country.
	Totally.
	I love that from all that story screen.
	Really disappointing.
	Oh, oh, great comments.
	It feels like it feels like damage control for the United States almost, like this weird apology tour without apology.
	Yeah, these people are conservative.
	Yeah.
	So they want to just say, oh, it's all nothing.
	It's just something.
	I don't think Hoda is because like Hoda's filling in for I meant the hockey players.
	The hockey players are conservative.
	So they want to, they can't ever say anything bad about their Lord and Savior.
	That's like the best explanation.
	Otherwise, you're just a sexist, I guess.
	You know what makes me even more mad?
	And I think this will be just a me thing probably.
	I don't want to hear all the fucking jokes.
	The SNL thing drives me nuts.
	Yeah.
	It drives me nuts that whatever they did at a bunch of places.
	Oh, and then they come there to the men and women together.
	Now we're going to make a joke about how, hey, and I guess we'll invite the men.
	That's not, that's nothing.
	That's you after the racist friend leaves whose joke you laughed at that was horribly racist.
	That's you making nice with your black friend afterward.
	Yeah.
	And being like, oh, go hope I can make a joke at my expense.
	That's not important.
	What I need is for you to criticize your racist friend.
	That's what I need.
	I think what's really interesting, and I actually saw this commented on a different podcast.
	I think it's called Sports Gossip podcast on YouTube.
	And they were talking about how the Olympics is an NBC property for broadcasting.
	SNL is an NBC property.
	Then the exact same thing happened.
	Hillary Knight went on Jimmy Fallon with Jack and Quinn Hughes as an NBC property.
	So they're basically having the women escort these men around for, like I said, an apology tour without an apology.
	Just it's this weird damage control that doesn't actually do anything.
	And they're hoping that it does the needs of other people of middle America.
	Yeah, that's probably why it makes me so mad.
	I think people look at this as something.
	Oh, okay, maybe they're again, because they're so, all we want to do is have it be okay for the men.
	We just want these men to be okay.
	We just, we want so desperately.
	So, oh, they're, they're willing to make a joke about that must mean they're actually cool.
	No, that's just another easy fucking thing for them to do.
	Yeah.
	That's easy.
	I do want to take a couple moments because I found a couple interviews from some of these USA men's hockey teams.
	At this point, I'll take a fucking AHL player who's not even involved.
	Yeah.
	Somebody to say, yeah, that was a shitty thing the president said.
	That sucked.
	Let me first shout out because I told you about this when I saw it.
	Wenberg from the Sharks, his wife was like the only person I saw that posted about this on her stories, calling out the men's team.
	She basically like reposted other people's thoughts and stuff, but like most other people were avoiding it completely.
	And I sent her a message and I was like, hey, obviously you don't know me, but Big Sharks fan for a long time and just so happy to see you speak out.
	Did she like it or anything?
	No, no.
	But she also just recently announced she's pregnant with her third kid.
	So I think she's a lot of stuff going on.
	But for me, I was like, at least somebody's saying something.
	Of course, it has to be the wife of somebody.
	But then I saw a couple of these guys did have okay takes.
	They fucking take it at this point.
	Jesus.
	It's much better than what we've seen.
	So I'm going to start with Jeremy Swayman.
	Oh, I know.
	Swayman.
	I don't like him.
	So now I'll have to reverse everything I thought I knew.
	He has a nice moment.
	We're going to end with something better, but yeah.
	But there's a nice moment in here.
	He's not the word.
	Goalies just suck in general, honestly.
	Goalies are nuts.
	But okay, fine.
	Maybe I'll change.
	Maybe I gotta change my opinion on Swayman.
	All right.
	Jeremy, there was some negative reaction to that and to the post-game video.
	Just what is your reaction to that?
	Yeah, we should have reacted differently.
	We know that we are so excited for the women's team.
	We have so much respect for the women's team and to share that gold medal with them is something that we're forever grateful for.
	And, you know, now that we're home, we get to share that together forever and see the incredible support that we have from the USA and Sharon's incredible gold medal.
	Okay.
	I shared this because of literally we should have reacted differently.
	Yeah.
	That's the first thing we've gotten.
	And it's the first sentence out of his mouth.
	And so I want to give props to that because like it can be that easy.
	He was the backup USA goalie, right?
	I think so.
	So it's minor, but I want to give it a little bit of a message.
	So far, it's a fucking A-plus on the grade curve.
	You got a perfect score relative to everybody else.
	Jesus fucking Christ.
	Charlie McAvoy went a little bit further.
	So let's share this with you.
	Oh, that's surprising.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I would have thought that he sucked.
	Let's see.
	These are literally the only two.
	Yeah, I think, you know, just certainly sorry for how we responded to it in that moment.
	Thank you.
	You know, things that just happened really quick there.
	And if you know the men's team and if you know the relationships that we have, the amount of time that we've spent, you know, with the women's team and how we've supported them, it's certainly not reflective of how we feel and look at them and their accomplishments.
Bruins Response to Racism 00:05:04
	What they did was unbelievable.
	You know, kind of like I said, we had this third floor there, you know, in the village and it was kind of, you know, some of the women's team there, the trainer's room where everybody was at all times.
	So men and women's team, like just made friends for life with them.
	We supported them the same way that they supported us.
	So we share this together.
	I know that.
	And I know that I'm pretty confident they know how I feel about them and what they've been able to accomplish and the way that they did it too with how dominant they played.
	I think America should be so proud of them for their accomplishment for sure.
	Fucking, okay.
	I'll give that the best I've got.
	That's the best you've, that's all.
	Oh, I thought you were building to something.
	Oh, no.
	Charlie McAvoy was the best I could find.
	I literally pulled the entire roster.
	I was searching on YouTube for hours.
	You're telling me.
	For hours.
	The two best example.
	We're both on the Boston fucking Bruins.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Jesus Christ.
	I know.
	I know.
	How do you feel about that?
	That's like shaking your entire world.
	Not good.
	Yeah.
	But like, I mean, fucking Jesus, again, on the curve, like, thank you for saying, hey, not good how we reacted.
	Thank you.
	I know.
	the ones that really it wasn't just unfortunate that people criticized you That's not what was bad.
	It was that you reacted badly.
	It was about you and your actions.
	So you did something.
	Oh, yeah.
	I didn't know you were involved in this situation.
	That's the first time someone's actually been involved in this situation.
	Before it was just stuff happened around us.
	Yeah.
	God.
	I want to end my video journey with you all by hearing from the captain of the USA women's hockey team, Hillary Knight, because when she was asked about this, she had the only response that I think women should have to respond with.
	No, I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate.
	And I think, you know, just the way women are represented, it's a great teaching point to really shine light on how women should be championed for their amazing feats.
	And now I have to sort of sit, and anybody has to sit in front of you and explain someone else's behavior.
	It's not my responsibility.
	exactly so but what is is shifting the focus and shifting the narrative of this amazing accomplishment that we all did together And granted, the men's and the women's team did it together.
	And that is super special.
	It's never been done in our program's history.
	It's something we're extremely proud of.
	USA hockey talking points right there.
	These women are amazing.
	And whatever is going on shouldn't never outshine or minimize their work and our success on the world stage.
	This was the best American women's hockey team, the best American team we've ever put together on a world stage when the light is, when the lights have been the brightest ever.
	And so I think everybody felt that, you know, going through the tournament.
	And I want to celebrate.
	I want people to be remembered for that.
	I want the legacy of this team to be remembered.
	And so that's what I'm trying to, you know, shift the narrative on and really focus in championing what we've done and what we've accomplished the last two and a half weeks together.
	Just great.
	And I think all that is expected of women in this moment or any moment where you find yourself in that kind of position is like, you know, now I'm being asked to explain someone else's behavior and it's not my responsibility.
	End of story.
	End of story.
	Wow.
	The men should be held accountable and it's not on the women to help them be held accountable.
	That's not on the women's team at all.
	They are not part of this.
	Unfortunately, that's not what we're seeing.
	That's not what we saw in SNL.
	That's not what we saw in Jimmy Fallon.
	We're seeing kind of these media appearances coupled with damage control for USA hockey as an entire entity, shared men's and women's sides.
	100%.
	100% of all that.
	Great to hear that she said that.
	And it just really shows, it shows the men's values, not in the way they think.
	They think that, oh, no, I don't.
	I'm not really a secret hater of the women's U.S. hockey team.
	No one thinks that.
	That just shows that you don't find it important enough to actually even muster the slightest criticism of your fucking Lord and Savior, Jesus Trump.
	Yeah.
	Even what she said was so tame.
	I'm not criticizing her, but like they could have managed that pretty easily.
	Yeah, the joke was, did anyone even say the joke was distasteful?
	That's so minor.
	Yeah.
	Did any, none of the men could even say the joke was distasteful?
	No.
	At least, you know, those two fucking Boston goddamn Bruins.
	Jesus Christ, in the middle of probably being racist pieces of shit.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Not a huge fan of the Boston Bruins usually, but they, but no, I'll give them credit for that.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Just taking accountability for their behavior and that they should have acted differently and that they're sorry that they didn't.
	I mean, bare minimum.
	It's bare minimum, but look how easy it is.
	Look how high you can raise in our ranks.
	Yeah.
	USA hockey menu.
	We're about to elect them woke president of feminism.
	That's how.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
Corporate Pride and Feminism 00:03:02
	We do have to also do another positive thing, which is I, which I teased at the beginning, which this is the kind of thing, and this is something I'll try not to fucking crying again, but like, this is something when I talked about the pride tape thing, God, a year or two ago, whatever that was, it's something that really gets me where for so long, and sorry to be repetitive, but it's, I just think it, for so long, I think people rightfully mocked corporate pride and it, and rightfully so, again, rightfully so.
	Like it is like, but it's not about that.
	It's about that as an indicator.
	And when you start to see things go from corporate pride to actually fuck all these people, let's fire all the trans people.
	Let's fire all the game.
	Like when you start seeing it go from, well, as a corporation, we hear at Target Corp, fucking, we're going to put rainbows on our thing.
	Like, yes, it's nothing.
	Yes, it's corporate, whatever.
	But holy shit, is it way better to have that empty bullshit than not only nothing, discrimination?
	Yeah.
	And I think that like I, for one, you know, it's easy for me to say because I'm not like the target of pretty much any of this.
	And there's, there's ways that I think our lives intersect certainly with some of this stuff.
	But widely speaking, I'm not the target of anything.
	It was easy for me to overlook how nice we had it.
	And I think we shouldn't, we shouldn't do that.
	And it just makes me that much more appreciative.
	And again, in a way that is like, the bar is low, but you know, when you're in like the worst place in the world and someone comes and wants to be like kind of nice, it's like, fucking take it.
	Just we just take it.
	If you're, if you're getting rescued out of a fucking death camp and the guy who rescues you kind of sucks and smells like just fucking take it.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, it's just like, you're going to be so happy to see that person.
	You know, it doesn't matter.
	So you deal with some body odor.
	Yeah.
	It's going to be.
	So the drive home from the death camp will smell a little.
	Exactly.
	I know I exaggerate, but it's, but it, I mean, it's not the biggest exaggeration to say that when you're in a climate, an atmosphere of fascism and you're on the road as a country to stuff that goes toward that kind of crap.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't mean I'm not saying we will.
	I'm not saying we're there.
	I'm not saying any of that, but I'm saying we are down that road.
	We are not at the start of that road.
	I'll say that.
	We're not at the start of the road of fucking camps for LGBTQ people.
	We're not at the start of that road.
	It is fucking horrifying.
	It's absolutely.
	There are camps for migrants.
	There are camps for immigrants.
	We're there.
	We're getting there.
	So, you know, in one sense, it's kind of an exaggeration I'm making, but like also not, you know, it's like, I don't care.
	Like if you're going to come out in any small way in favor of pride or just not being a piece of shit, you know, like, goddamn, I'll take it.
	I just speak for myself.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we're seeing a version of identification of trans people on like public documents in, what was that, Kansas, where they just passed the law that it has to be your sex at birth on your ID now.
	And they all have to turn in their driver's licenses immediately and get new ones reissued.
Hockey For Everyone Debate 00:03:45
	I mean, it's just like, yeah, just stepping towards this dystopian nightmare that I think 15 years ago, none of us really thought that we would be.
	Oh, I was so goddamn naive.
	I was actively 15 years ago, maybe a little more, 16, 17, I was actually actively a part of the problem.
	I wasn't homophobic.
	I wasn't.
	That's one thing I very quickly changed on as a person, but I was still actively part of the problem.
	And I hope to never be again, but actively part of the problem in that I minimized how fucking dangerous this stuff is.
	You can't, you can't let this fucking shit in for a second, you know, just not even an inch.
	And the sexist joke, I mean, I guess it's branched off a little from that, but I see this kind of one in the same with how queer the women's team is.
	I see a lot of those issues kind of intertwined, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the reason actually, the reason I started talking about that was because of the good thing I wanted to play, which was I will, I will brag about my sharks, but this is, this is the 27th of February.
	So this is like right around this time, right?
	When was the, I forget when the game, the championship game was.
	Let's see.
	The championship game.
	I mean, women's was the 19th.
	Men's, I think, was a week after or so.
	So yeah, right after probably.
	And this is, again, I guess it's not directly related to like the men-women thing, but this is something that didn't even really occur to me because I, again, I think I have the privilege of not thinking too hard about it.
	But they've changed pride.
	All the sports teams had pride.
	And again, it's one of those things that, holy shit, I appreciate that they had it.
	Now they don't.
	Now they just don't even fucking bother.
	What they do have is hockey is for everyone, which is the fucking white lives matter of pride.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's for everyone.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Fine.
	It's a C fucking minus.
	It's a D plus.
	It wouldn't be so bad if we started there.
	It wouldn't be so bad if what they, what they had done.
	And I think that like the context matters.
	If the context was there was no such thing as any pride anything in sports in NHL kind of thing.
	Right.
	And then they're like, let's do a hockey is for everyone and there'll be some rainbows.
	They'd be like, okay, great.
	Yeah.
	But no, they had Pride Night.
	They had that.
	And they decided.
	Let's take that back.
	Yeah.
	Those queer people have too many things.
	Let's dial it back.
	And now they have hockey is for everyone.
	Cool.
	Fucking great.
	But the San Jose Sharks, I'll read the text of this post.
	Alex Wenberg and Tyler Tofoli were behind the bench tonight for our fourth annual pride scrimmage between the Team Teal front office, Team Trans, and the SF Earthquakes.
	Sorry, stuff like really affects me now.
	Yeah.
	And the SF Earthquakes, which is the soccer team, right?
	Yeah.
	But it's the SF Earthquakes LGBTQ plus team.
	So they had like a fun, and they called it a pride scrimmage, which I love because the NHL just says hockey is for everyone.
	And they, you know, this, the sharks did include that as like the heading or whatever.
	But they called it a pride scrimmage.
	They didn't abandon it.
	And these are, these are two major players.
	These are two major players for the sharks.
	Yeah.
	I mean, obviously, it's a great watching game of hockey here, but meeting all the people being supporting all this.
	And I mean, the fact too, like this community would be accepted for everyone here.
	This is something that we really would like to be a part of.
	And I had a lot of fun doing it as well.
	Seeing all the other guys here.
	So it was great.
	Yeah, it was a lot of fun seeing some of the some of the players.
	I met them previously last year.
	So good to see them again and meet some new players.
	It was a lot of fun.
	Favorite part was probably having the earthquakes score the first goal of their pump.
	So it's a lot of fun and great night.
	This is to again set the bar as hockey interviews are very bad.
	But I want to point something else out.
	This was a day off for the team.
	They didn't have to be here.
	I know it probably sounds, this is every hockey player sounds like they're being held at gunpoint.
	That's just how they sound.
	Don't worry.
	This is actually a really good example because the team was off.
	They didn't have to be here.
	This wasn't a team function.
Calling Out Wokeness 00:05:23
	This wasn't, they, they did this.
	They went and did this.
	They went and supported and coached.
	You know, they do a thing where it's like they coach the teams, you know?
	And so one of them, that's why he says like, oh, it was cool.
	The earthquakes score because he was coaching that team.
	You know, it's a fun thing.
	It's something they went out of their way to do.
	And it's, it's just so nice.
	Yeah.
	They're good people.
	So the bar is low and these gentlemen cleared it by a lot.
	Oh man, so frustrating.
	It's so fucking unjust.
	It just is so unjust that, oh, it's unfortunate.
	It's unfortunate what happened and that everyone's mad at us.
	Yeah.
	Fuck you.
	Just like to point out, I know it's an easy point that I've made online, but the Venn diagram of people who cry about trans people being in sports because it's going to ruin sports and the people who actually fucking watch one of the greatest women sporting events in the history of our earth.
	Well, I guess I did it the opposite way.
	They're separate, complete circles.
	Normally you phrase it so they're one circle.
	I decided to play it a little harder mode.
	They're different circles.
	They're not in together at all.
	There's no.
	Yeah.
	You know, a voice that's been very absent from this who strongly believes in women in sports and how important that is is Riley Games.
	Zero comment.
	Oh, weird.
	Yeah.
	You would think they'd be like, hey, I care so much about women's sports that I don't support our president, the most powerful person that we've elected at the top of our country.
	I don't support him making a joke that's essentially like, fuck these women, get back in the kitchen and stop playing hockey.
	It's gold medal, you know, so it's worthless.
	Yeah.
	You fuck you fake considerable.
	Gold is gold, baby.
	You do not give a shit about women's sports.
	Never did.
	It's frustrating.
	All right.
	Well, that ended up being a double episode, but it was worth it.
	It was worth it.
	So frustrating.
	And I just really don't think people, like we don't, we don't hold their feet to the fire.
	And what I'm screaming out for, what I'm dying for, give me a normie.
	Give me a normie.
	Give me someone in media, somewhere who's semi-something.
	Give me someone who has a has a name.
	You don't have to turn into a wokeist.
	You don't have to turn into a wokey, you know?
	You don't have to use fucking talk about like intersectional feminism.
	You don't have to do any of that stuff.
	Give me someone with a name with clout who's going to just be human.
	Use humanity.
	You don't, it's so easy.
	Imagine if any of these big interviewers on any of these shows, like the bigger, not like the obscure hockey ones, but like a good example of someone who has an actual name.
	I don't know who.
	I don't watch fucking mainstream media because probably for this reason.
	But give me somebody who's just like, hey, for example, like my daughter plays sports.
	And boy, that really hurt my heart to hear the president joke like he wouldn't even want to invite the women.
	See, that just hurts my heart.
	Something like that would be really helpful right now.
	Because unfortunately, there's so much poison in the fucking information ecosystem that any signal anyone has that they're like woke or progressive, it just, they're just 60.
	No, 70% of the country isn't going to listen to them.
	Yeah.
	It's not even 50.
	It's like 70.
	That's how poisoned it is.
	Anyone who's at all identified with like woke or whatever.
	So just give me a normal person to be a human and just come from a pure standpoint of like, boy, that's, that's not very nice.
	Like just be decent, but actually be firm.
	That's the thing.
	Be decent, but be firm about it.
	Don't accept.
	And I'm imagining a man because I need a man to fucking step up to your point, to Hillary Knight's point.
	It's not on these women.
	It's on men to step up and actually hold someone's feet to the fire.
	But you can do it in a gentle way.
	You can do it in a compassionate way, but just be insistent.
	What do you mean, unfortunate?
	Because you had control over your reaction, right?
	Yeah.
	So you could have, that wasn't unfortunate.
	You could have controlled it.
	And actually, you have control over what you're saying now, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So, okay.
	So maybe not in the moment.
	If there was something that like you feel like you didn't say then, but you'd like to say now, like, like, please, by all means.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Something like, give me something like that, you know, and we just don't, I don't see it.
	Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see it.
	Yeah, I've looked at a lot of this stuff and I haven't seen it either.
	So just dog shit.
	Yeah.
	Well, thanks so much for listening, everyone.
	Thanks, huh, for going through all those shitty statements and being as mad as I've ever heard you, not gonna lie, slightly turned on.
	Yeah.
	You know what?
	I am too, about myself.
	So that's a good way to go.
	I don't know what that means, but you're gonna go process that, I think.
	All right.
	We just lost everyone.
	No, it's okay.
	So much fun.
	And yeah, it's just important stuff.
	You know, it's just, it was good to get some stuff off my chest.
	I know you too.
	Yeah.
	I could not stop thinking about this.
	Yeah, just infuriating.
	So thanks so much, wokeies.
	Thanks for supporting.
	Share the show with somebody.
	Thanks for listening.
	We'll see you next time.
	Opportunity.
	If any dude wants to not fucking suck.
	Shut the fuck up.
	We're about to elect them woke president of feminism.
	Asshole.
	Jesus Christ.
	Are you wanting me to say more?
	No, sorry.
	I'm just trying to stop crying.
	Oh, hon. You're not going to lie.
	Slightly turned on.
	Yeah.
	You know what?
	I am too about myself.

Chapters

00:00:03 Competitive Hockey Rivalry
00:15:04 USA vs Canada Gold Medal Match
00:29:32 Addressing Inappropriate Comments
00:41:14 Megan Kelly Interview Reaction
00:51:04 Obama Joke Controversy Explained
01:02:03 Criticizing Athlete Behavior
01:17:10 Bruins Response to Racism
01:22:15 Corporate Pride and Feminism
01:25:18 Hockey For Everyone Debate
01:29:03 Calling Out Wokeness