WTW110: America Fest 3 - Tucker Carlson Hits Back at Ben Shapiro
Time to dig into the keynote speaker from Day 1 of AmFest 2025. That's right, folks! We FINALLY get to (have to) listen to Tucker Carlson! Tune in to hear how he handles the call out from Ben Shapiro earlier in the day, and stick around for some crazy Q&A - what seems to be a hallmark of TPUSA. Be sure to listen through to the end to hear the craziest attempt at an intro for a podcast that we've probably ever done. If you enjoy our work, please consider leaving a 5-star review! You can always email questions, comments, and leads to lydia@seriouspod.com. Please pretty please consider becoming a patron at patreon.com/wherethereswoke!
What's so scary about the woke mob, how often you just don't see them coming?
Anywhere you see diversity, equity, and inclusion, you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed.
Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic hands down.
The woke monster is here and it's coming for every two, everything, everything, everything.
Instead of go-go boots, the seductress green Eminem will now wear sneakers.
Hello.
This is where there's woke.
What show are we doing?
Have we launched a new podcast?
I don't even know.
No, that's patron only or something at this point.
Oh, man.
Well, hello.
Anyway, that's some of the most enjoyable podcasting I think we've done in a long time.
All right.
We'll leave that part in and say, if you want to hear Lydia and I do nothing, nonsense stuff for 10 minutes.
It's very enjoyable.
I will put it after the show.
Yes.
For everybody, I guess.
I'll put it for every, there's no value to it.
I'll put it for everybody.
Yes.
After the show.
You'd like to hear it.
After what show, I don't know because who knows how many parts of this there's going to be.
Because I watched Tucker Carlson so that no one else had to.
Hello, I'm Thomas.
That over there is Lydia.
How are you doing?
Doing better than you because I don't have to watch Tucker Carlson yet.
Well, yeah, also the supreme peak of human emotion you just displayed in the thing people might hear after the show if they actually like us.
But that's all five of them.
It got me in the mood.
It was the funniest thing that's ever happened.
Anyway, yeah, I'm doing well.
I didn't ask.
Yeah, that's fine.
How are you?
You know what?
You just had your most mind blowing experience, you know, it's like, I know the rush.
It's like it was your wedding day.
I'm not going to be like, oh, she didn't ask me how I was.
Like, whatever.
You got stuff going on.
That's fair.
It doesn't work because we're married.
Well, no, it works.
It still works.
Truth be told, we, because of multiple reasons, including everybody being sick and everything.
Oh, and hey, everybody's sick again.
Everybody's sick again.
So cool.
We'll see when we get this out.
Working our hardest.
But seriously, everyone was just sick and then everyone's sick again.
Hopefully this one's quicker.
I think Remy got through it pretty, hopefully, pretty quickly.
Yeah, 48 hours.
The last one was rough.
Anyway, I watched America Fest as people obviously just listened to two episodes of it, but there's been a bit of a delay between when I watched it and now.
There wasn't in the first two, but now we had to like break for various things.
So I went back and I watched the Tucker Carlson again to make sure I was prepped for this one.
And I don't know how I'm not going to do the whole thing.
It's really fucking interesting.
It's really interesting.
Clearly, you can tell I've like kind of changed my mind about Tucker Carlson.
Not that he's like a good guy by any means.
None of that.
But that like he comes across as more of a believer of what he's saying than I thought.
I was surprised by that because I do think we have a tendency, and this happens everywhere, you know, especially with Tucker Carlson.
I don't want to fucking watch Tucker Carlson.
I don't want to listen to him.
I don't want to hear him.
So my exposure is when people are roasting him or when people are dunking on him, which they should because he sucks.
But like I said, give you a bit of a skewed view.
And I don't even mean that means like we're judging him too harshly.
I just mean it changes our view.
It affects our view of who people are and what and what they believe, not even just judging them, but like knowing what they believe.
Because I'm changed a little bit by this.
It doesn't mean that he's good.
I'm just very clear.
It's just that the things he believes, I think, are different than I thought.
That's all I'm saying.
And they're like differently bad.
And this speech is so interesting.
So we've already set it up and people are more fresh than we are.
No, I guess we edited it.
But like, there's the feud.
Well, why don't we just get to it?
No reason to keep pre-loading it because we can just take our break, which you can avoid at patreon.com slash where there's woke.
And we edited that pause out so people don't know that my brain doesn't work.
Thank you for the note.
I am lightning quick with all my references and I get the composer that I'm trying to think of right on the first try.
Yeah.
And we don't go off for 10 minutes about all the music.
I don't even know why we're saying all these things because those don't happen.
Anyway, point is patreon.com/slash where there's woke.
Get all the nonsense and everything early.
That's probably the biggest benefit of stuff early.
And the no ass and the nonsense, please.
Well, we're giving everyone this nonsense.
Yeah, that's true.
This time, not guaranteed all the time.
That was so honest.
Yeah, this time.
They better watch their fucking asses next time.
They're not going to get our nonsense.
Yeah, I know.
All right, we'll take a break and then we're going to listen to Tucker Carlson, our favorite person in the world.
Yes.
We're just going to go because I'm telling you, if I had my drothers and I don't have, I didn't bring my drothers.
I've never owned druthers, but if I had them, if I bought a pair of druthers, they come in pairs.
If you had the forethought to go and buy some druthers.
If I ordered druthers, it would mean that we listened to this entire fucking thing.
Really, I'm not joking.
I'm so interested by this because it's like, it's a really interesting thing that's happening.
I'm trying to get a sense of what these fuckers believe.
And I'll be honest, the last one, and I think we probably all felt this way.
The last one left us with a, oh shit, we're all going to die feeling because if Michael Knowles is the voice, is the conscience is the place that the right is going, it's only going to get worse.
Like it just, it feels horrible.
Mouth is talking directly to children's ears.
What does that mean?
Well, because I said, you know, he was Prager U.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
Prager you guy.
Yeah.
Jeez.
Yeah.
I still don't know how that's working.
Does he tone it down or is he just like, hey, kids, we hate all the non-whites.
Or, you know, I don't even know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But he, you know, he's so coded.
He was so sneaky.
I had no idea he was basically just being white nationalist.
Totally had no idea.
It was so coded.
We fell for it.
But this one is interesting because it's not exactly that, but it's a different kind of thing.
And I'm trying to wrap my mind around where this sits within the movement.
He postures himself in this as though he is embattled and everyone's going to agree with Ben Shapiro.
And it might be true on this crowd, maybe.
But I feel like he does an incredible job in terms of knowing his audience and sticking to his guns.
And he gets to have the last word, which I think is virtually everything in something like this when you have two shitty people like being shitty to each other.
Like whoever gets the last word in front of these dumbos that are in the crowd probably is going to win.
But okay, let's just go.
Dun No, that's a call ahead.
Call forward.
Oh, we got, of course, we got to get the intro.
I never miss a Charlie Kirk event because I love Charlie Kirk.
The more you tell the truth, the stronger you become.
Telling the truth means the hardest truth of all, which is telling the truth about yourself.
It might be worth taking just 10 minutes out of your busy schedule to say a prayer for the future.
And I hope you will.
Don't let anybody insult you instead of answering a legitimate question.
You know, you've got your ideas.
I've got my ideas.
We can debate them.
But I honestly don't think ever again in my lifetime will the richest people in the country be able to point a finger in your face and say, your position is too immoral to discuss.
And if you keep talking, we're going to put you in jail.
That has been their position.
And they will never again get away with that.
Ever.
Ladies and gentlemen.
Who the F is he talking about?
I don't know.
I think he's talking about under the Biden terror regime.
You know, like this is, look, okay.
The swamp.
The date of this, admittedly, it's been almost a month.
This is before Venezuela.
This is before the Renee Good murder, but it's after Charlie Kirk was killed, obviously.
It's after they fired everybody who even quoted Charlie Kirk.
That's completely lost.
I would imagine they just don't cover.
It's funny of bullshit.
Yeah, exactly.
It's so funny to be like, oh, never again will they stop me from talking.
What are you talking?
No one was arrested.
No one was arresting you or anyone like you ever for anything.
What are you talking about?
Well, yeah, the closest thing has been the press being kicked out of the Pentagon unless they would sign documents saying that they would run every story by the Department of Fake War, you know, before they publish like all these infringements on legitimate constitutional protections.
That's what's happening now.
It did not happen before, Tucker.
Yeah, it's crazy.
After Charlie's Death00:02:03
But I just wanted to situate this in time with where we are.
But like, this is after Charlie died.
So you know that happened.
That has been their position, and they will never again get away with that.
Ever.
Ladies and gentlemen, the top current car is like fucking pyrotechnics going on.
I just noticed there's like the part in the stage that juts out, you know, in case he wants to like play a solo, you know, like like going to the crowd kind of thing.
Yeah.
I wonder if anyone used that.
But it also, I guess, it's a bit of a like pointy shape.
So I don't know if it's trying to be evocative of like a star, like fucking stars and stripes kind of thing, but I just imagine like a lady gaga-esque, like something, you know, just iconic, like Beyonce, whatever, walking out where the crowd is on the jutted-out stage.
But no, I don't think anyone did that.
Oh, what a trip!
Thank you very much.
Oh, yeah.
To his minor credit, I think he is pretty put off by this shit and is trying to just like, okay.
Trying to like play it off a little bit.
My God, they're shooting confetti into the air.
What?
Did they win the Super Bowl?
I just got here and I feel like I missed the first part of the program.
I hope I didn't miss anything meaningful.
Not bad.
But I just want to say, I don't think I did.
No, I'm just kidding.
I watched it.
I laughed.
I laughed.
That kind of bitter, sardonic laugh that emerges from you when like upside down world arrives.
When your dog starts doing your taxes and you're like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way.
To hear calls for like deplatforming and denouncing people at a Charlie Kirk event.
Michael George's Cognitive Dissonance00:11:44
I'm like, what?
This is hilarious.
I want to do the Michael.
No, not George Michael.
He's George Michael's dad.
Michael.
It is Michael?
It is Michael.
Okay.
Got him.
So I want to do the Michael, like still doing that, huh?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's still doing the laughing like an insane person.
He has to have seen by now that he laughs like a fucking insane person, but he's still doing it.
But you can tell he's tried to tone it down a little bit.
Tucker is such a Joe Bluth.
He is such a Joe Bluth.
God.
You know, he's Joe Bluth, but he's also, he's, oh my God.
Remember that brilliant send-up in Veep?
Yeah.
Where the tall guy that ends up, like, by the end, he's like a fascist member of the house or whatever.
Yeah.
The hell's that guy's name?
I don't know.
He's great, though.
It's that vibe.
But the prediction that, you know, at some point when Republicans took power again, which I did everything I could, you know, to help and really felt that was important.
I still think, you know, I was right, but I really thought that the impulse to de-platform people or even to use the word platform as a verb, which it's not, it's a noun.
Don't steal my nouns.
Hey, man.
I got news for you.
The language changes all the fuck.
If that's your criticism, look, I love being a stickler for certain things of language that like are incorrect uses that then turn correct and I hate it like irregardless or something.
Like I'll, I'll take irregardless to my death as in that's not a word and you shouldn't do it because it's just wrong.
But I'm wrong.
Like I know I'm right.
Whatever.
Language changes.
And the point of it is just to communicate.
There's no, there's no reason why the sounds we make have to mean a certain thing.
But like if the hill you're going to die on is not using a noun as a verb, like, dude, we settled that 200 years ago.
Like Shakespeare did that.
What a dumb point.
Anyway, sorry, we can't spend our time.
Why haven't you denounced somebody else?
The whole like red guard cultural revolution thing that we so hated and feared on the left that we did everything we could to usher in a new time where you could have an actual debate.
I mean, this kind of was the whole point of Charlie Kirk's public life.
And I think that I think that he died for it.
I really believe that.
And I know a lot about it because the last several months of Charlie's life were devoted in part to arguing about this event.
In fact, this speech.
In fact, my speech here.
You know, man, I'm going to try to not butt in as much as I can.
I think that, for one, I don't think the point of Charlie's life was debate.
I think that was what he used to accomplish the real point of his life, which is Christian nationalism.
Yeah.
And absolutely.
I also was just thinking like, this is a philosophical point, but if you are killed because you have disgusting views that someone doesn't like, and I'm not justifying killing people for their disgusting views.
I'm just killing that.
But that does seem to be what happened.
Let's grant that that's what happened.
He expressed disgusting views about trans people.
We can just grant for the moment that that's what happened and was shot.
You didn't die for the sake of debate.
You died because you had gross views.
That'd be like if fucking Hitler is doing Hitler language and then someone's like, we got to stop this guy.
And then you shoot him.
He's like, I always believed in debates.
You know, it's like you're just expressing bad views.
That's why someone killed you.
If you were dying for the sake of like debate and free expression, that would mean like you were like an ACLU lawyer who like tried to protect someone's free speech, but then they got mad at you for that.
And that would be legitimately like dying for free speech.
If you defended like an unpopular person or something in court or whatever, and you're like, nope, they suck, but I'm defending their rights to have free speech.
And someone killed you for that.
That would be dying for free speech.
Or even closer to Charlie Kirk, if he had just been organizing the events on these campuses and not actually participating in them and then was killed, then yes, absolutely.
That's exactly what happened.
And I get that like, okay, he lived his values and that he was spouting his disgusting crap and might have been killed for it, I guess.
But that's not the same as like, oh, what he really stood for in that moment is the principle of debate.
What he stood for is ugly, disgusting crap.
And that's why someone shot him.
You know what I mean?
It's weird to say that that's for debate.
You know, it's not.
It's like, he could have been anti-debate and been up there just saying his views and been killed by the exact same person for the exact same thing.
And you wouldn't be like, well, he's pro-free speech.
That's why he died.
You know what I mean?
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Well, especially because like what the right has really focused in on too is like the positions of the shooter, the positions of Robinson, and, you know, that it was against things that Charlie would say.
Like, that's not, that's not debate.
You're talking about a difference in positions, a difference in beliefs, a difference in values there.
The right has accepted that even from their own perspective.
So I don't really know what he's getting at here.
Which he asked me to do earlier this year, this summer, and was immediately put under just immense pressure from people who give money to Turning Point.
I would assume good people, but who wanted him to take me off the roster?
And this has all become public, and the whole thing is so sad that I never talk about it, except to say Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply held belief that people should be able to debate and that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in detail to people who don't agree with you and that you shouldn't immediately resort to shut up racist.
You shouldn't immediately go to motive.
By the way, shut up racist is the number one reason I voted for Donald Trump.
And because they're just sick of it.
I mean, first of all, if I was a racist, if I was a- voting for him wouldn't shut him up.
What are you talking about?
Yeah.
I would just say so.
Okay, it's America.
You're allowed to be whatever kind of person you want.
I'm not.
I'm sincerely opposed, have always been and will always be.
But the style of debate where you prevent the other side from talking or being heard because you immediately go to motive.
Well, I wonder why you're asking that question.
I wonder why.
Why are you asking that question?
I detect in the question a certain evil in your soul.
And everyone listening should know that listening to you implicates them.
And that they someday may be asked to denounce you.
And that friendship is not a reason to defend someone.
So far, I bet you're thinking, wait a minute, isn't he exactly denouncing his entire shtick all the time?
At least in terms of like questioning motive.
Yeah, like he never questions the motives of.
But what's interesting is that what is so fundamental to what's happening here is that it's silly and makes no sense if you think of him as just speaking in a general sense.
But when you realize he's very, very specifically dealing with and speaking about this possible schism in the right and all of these principles of charity and of like, I don't go for motivation, all of that only applies when he's talking about the other MAGA or the other people.
Like it took me a while.
You're in group.
Yeah, exactly.
It took me a while to realize that because like he says so many things that are so directly laughably like, oh, dude, you do that all the time that it's like, it's hard to believe he doesn't see it.
But I think it's that he truly just does not think of people on the left as like people.
They're just like evil demons to him.
You know, like anyone who would at all go for racial equality or anything like that, they're just these evil demons.
And the only people who are people who are like worthy of these like principles of charity that he's sort of, and he talks about this a lot in the speech, like different principles of charity.
It's because it specifically fits this moment in the schism.
And it works really well for that.
And what I just found myself wondering is like, if there hadn't been this controversy between Ben and all that, like, I wonder what this speech would have been.
You know, I'm actually kind of curious if that hadn't been the central thing.
Because the minute, if you were just stumping for Republicans or against Democrats in general in some way or conservatism, whatever, liberalism, I think it would mainly just be hate.
It would mainly just be like, these people are demons and they suck.
And explicitly, they have bad motives and they want to control you.
And all the stuff that's exactly the opposite of what you just said.
But because he's dealing with a conservative on conservative split here, it's funny to hear him talk about all this that he definitely doesn't follow ever when it comes to like him talking about anyone else.
Yeah.
I think I should take the opportunity to explain why Charlie was under all this pressure.
And I think Erica, who I just saw backstage, and whom I love, and who I can tell you is totally committed to continuing the core principle of public life, which is the right of every person to express what he believes that is rooted in Christian faith.
We believe people should be able to say what they think because they have souls.
They're for the soulless Democrats.
Created by God.
They are not slaves.
They are not animals.
They are not objects.
You cannot tell another human being to shut up.
Oh, I can't even shut up.
Shut up, racist.
Because you don't own him.
He is an independent, autonomous person created by God as an individual.
Okay, so that's where that belief comes from.
That's where freeze is free from conversion accident.
This is the only country in the world that protects it.
This is the only country in the world that protects free speech.
Did you know that?
Yeah.
Oh, no one is allowed to say that.
Yeah.
That's why people have to listen to our podcast.
There's no speaking in other countries.
It's, you know, it's great for us.
Oh, yeah, totally.
This is the only country in the world that protects it because our founding documents were formed, as you just heard so nicely expressed by Michael Knowles, my friend, by people who sell the incorporation.
He references Michael Knowles.
Oh, yeah, you heard that?
No, Michael Knowles was like, I love cancel culture.
Fuck the Democrats.
They shouldn't be allowed to live.
What do you platform all of them?
Literally.
A lot of this is so worthless because it's all, and this is sort of the depressing conclusion of this is I feel like it's all special pleading.
Like all of this entire fucking side is special pleading.
You can make any statement of principle.
And he makes a lot.
He makes so many statements of principle where I'm like, yeah, right on, I agree with that.
That's great.
But it just doesn't matter.
Because if he says, I treat everyone equally, you're like, okay, yeah, I agree with that.
But then what happens is he's like, okay, but black people commit more crime.
So we got to police them.
You know, like instantly will be special pleading.
Okay, but not this situation or not this person or it'll just be convenience.
Like he doesn't think about those principles ever in his daily life with his show.
He only can just speak about it.
It's like this real cognitive dissonance or I don't even know if it's, it's like this compartmentalization or something where it's like he can believe these principles and I think he thinks he believes them, but it just doesn't matter.
Because like the minute there's a police shooting, then it's like, well, that guy was clearly suspicious.
And it's just all the things that he thinks he's not doing, he does, but it's fine because he thinks he's not doing them.
So it's okay.
You know, it's just like depressing.
Well, yeah, I mean, like, it's just so clear in the most simple of versions too, where he's saying, you know, we're allowed to speak.
Why Free Speech Isn't Enough00:15:27
We have souls.
We have autonomy, et cetera, et cetera.
Okay, well, then everyone who says, I don't like what you're saying, that's also their autonomy.
That's also, if you believe that.
Saying shut up racist is also speaking.
It's literally the exact same thing.
We're not preventing you from saying it.
We're saying, hey, we don't really like what you're saying.
That's a really, really shitty thing to say.
That can't exist in the same world.
Yeah.
Well, I'm out of luck because I don't have a soul.
So I'm not allowed to say shut up racist.
Yeah, exactly.
Someone with a soul.
Can I hire someone?
Can I contract with someone who has a soul to be able to shout that?
Yeah, check Task Rapid Christian precepts into their structure of government.
So Charlie was committed to that.
But the people around him were like, you can't because it's not that Carlson's wrong.
My only point was I don't want a land war with Iran.
I got over my skis and said I didn't want another regime to change war with Iran.
Rather than explain why we should have a regime change war with Iran, which I'd be happy to listen to, he's an anti-Semite.
He is an anti-Semite.
To which I said, well, obviously that's not true.
And Charlie said, I know.
And then it just didn't stop.
So I continued to say, I'm not an anti-Semite.
We don't care what you say.
You're lying.
You are.
So let me just affirm one final time.
Not only am I not an anti-Semite, and would say so.
I think I was.
I'm not an anti-Semite for a very specific reason.
Not because it's unpopular or my donors don't like it.
I don't have any donors.
I'm not an anti-Semite because anti-Semitism is immoral in my religion.
It is immoral to hate people for how they were born.
Period.
Sure.
Unless they're born trans.
Or gay.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Like, it's like, cool, man.
I wish you ever lived that ever.
But the minute you're like, hey, what about a trans kid?
Then you can be like, well, there are no trans kids.
It's just the people trying to trans them.
It's like, okay, so what about the people trying to trans them?
Were they born that way or not?
You know, it's like, it doesn't mean anything.
It means nothing.
It's frustrating.
It's like, what's the point of this?
A limited principle.
That is a universal principle.
It applies to every human being on planet Earth.
You may not.
You are prohibited by my religion, which is a very important thing.
He's going to transition it pretty soon.
From hating people for how they were born.
Because God created them with his spark in his image.
Where do you see this going?
I'm just wondering.
Eventually.
Not where.
Not where we anticipate.
Within a few minutes, this idea of not doing anything wrong with people based on how they were born.
Where do you think that's going?
The exact opposite.
Oh, no.
Okay.
Don't see anyone at home.
Because they have souls.
You can disagree with them.
You can hate their ideas.
You may even find yourself, and I do, I'll confess it, hating them for a moment.
But you can't hate everyone who's like them.
You can't punish people for crimes they didn't commit.
That's the basis of our justice system.
That's the basis of Christian ethics.
That's why we have what are called human rights.
They apply to every human, not just your group, not just my group, but every group, every human, because we don't consider people in terms of the groups to which they belong.
We consider them as individuals the way that God created them.
You didn't create any groups?
So anti-Semitism is not just naughty, it's immoral.
And it is perception.
I can't stop thinking about that turn of phrase.
Naughty.
Yeah, it's really interesting.
No, don't get hung up on the word per se.
Okay.
I'm getting it.
Is that thought?
Like, there's something about it that my brain is putting together, but I can't quite put into words.
It's not just naughty.
It's immoral.
I think what that comes from, I think what that sentence comes from is him thinking that everyone who says, oh, that's racist or that's anti-Semitic is doing so from a sense that it's like a faux pas or it's something that we're trained to say is bad.
And he's saying, no, I actually believe it's bad.
Like not just naughty, it's immoral.
I can't imagine coming up with that sentence any other, like that's my closest guess.
I think that he thinks, you know, people like us who would be like, oh, that thing you're saying is, you know, anti-Semitic or that thing you're saying is racist.
I think he's, in his mind, we don't really believe that or we're just doing so because it's like a social nicety or something.
And he's coming around saying, no, it's not just naughty, it's immoral.
Like I actually believe it's immoral.
No, this feels to me more like, and I could be wrong, but this feels to me more like a direct plea to Ben Shapiro to be like, anti-Semitism to me is not just like a bad thing.
It is opposite to humanity.
I don't know that he's necessarily like contrasting himself with the left and like saying that the left, you know, only is avoiding anti-Semitism because we think it's a bad thing to do.
It's not avoiding it.
It's about calling it out.
Yeah, but it almost feels like this is a like very personal, I don't want to say plea, but like sort of demonstrating in his speech to Ben Shapiro and maybe folks that might feel in the way that Ben Shapiro feels, like I don't just think that anti-Semitism is bad.
I feel like it is opposite to being a human being if you are going to participate in that.
So I think maybe I messed up by saying don't focus on the word.
Okay, focus on the word a little bit.
Because why would you say naughty?
That doesn't make any sense.
I don't know.
I would say like, I don't think it's, I don't just think it's like kind of bad.
I think it's super bad.
Like naughty is a weird, I really, I mean, you could be right, but I really feel like that comes from, I just think based on what I know of him and how much these people think, because these people think that no one actually believes the stuff that we or anybody says.
Like he, I think he thinks, and I said to the left, but I also think it's because of Ben Shapiro too.
Like I think he's applying that same thing because he's talking about the entire purpose of this is how Ben, it's the thing I said, where it's like Ben Shapiro is having to use all the leftist arguments.
So it's one and the same that he's talking about.
And I think, I think he thinks we don't actually think something's racist.
I think he thinks we're just like trained by society to be politically correct and to think that like if you say something politically incorrect, then you're being, you're being naughty.
You're being bad.
You know, like I really think it comes from something like that.
And he's trying to differentiate and say, no, I'm not even just doing it because of that.
I actually think it's immoral, which I think is just such a window into how he views everybody else.
I don't know.
So we'll see.
I don't know.
What do you think?
Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure.
It's a weird word.
Yeah.
It's not just naughty, it's immoral.
And it is precisely as immoral as hating any other group.
And that would include other groups in the United States that are hated and have been under attack for decades.
White men.
That would include white men.
You got there.
Nothing to become white men.
They were born that way.
And just because they beef with a white man, let's just say Donald Trump, doesn't mean you need to punish all the rest of the white men.
They caught us.
Guys, they caught us.
We're just mad at Donald Trump.
That's why all of the rhetoric around white men started in 2015.
Like there wasn't.
Oh, there was nothing before.
Oh, yeah.
We weren't mad.
Well, maybe I wasn't.
White men were all fine.
We were mad at George Bush, too, or something like before that.
Because like that, that is so funny.
We're mad at Trump, and that's why we're like, man, I hate everyone who looks like Trump.
So stupid.
That's very strange.
Yeah, no, I also did not.
He's also an orange man, not a white man.
That's true.
He's not even your race, man.
He's a different race.
I also, oompa loompa.
I also did not predict in real time that hard pivot.
And it like he sits in it for a bit?
Whoa, man.
It goes so long that you're like, oh, that was the point.
Oh, okay.
That's his original speech.
And yet.
And yet.
Our leaders.
Oh, my God.
Not just Congress.
Sorry, who's our leaders?
Oh, yeah, it's all of you.
Are they all black women?
I do.
But of every major U.S. corporation, of every college in the country, probably except Hillsdale and two others.
Every single one for more than 10 years has engaged in a systematic effort to hurt white men.
Oh, he really does think it started with Trump.
Yeah.
Never mind.
Okay.
I take that back.
I guess his worldview is that all of the anti-quote anti-whiteness or anti-white maleness started with Trump.
He just had a decade.
All right.
To hurt white men because they are white men.
That is racism that is precisely as bad as anti-Semitism, but it is much more widespread and has been so far much more damaging.
Much more damaging.
Much more damaging.
And my point is, if you said nothing about that.
Guys, which has been more damaging?
Anti-Semitism or a thing we don't even have a name for because it's nothing.
How many millions of white men have damaged?
Anti-white menism.
We don't have a thing for that because it's nothing.
Yeah.
Invite Ben Shapiro back on stage, actually.
Like, just bring him back on.
Let's duke it out right here, right now.
People don't know this because they're not good at history.
We've been Holocausted twice.
That's the thing.
Us white men.
They've only had one.
Yeah.
Yep.
We don't teach all of it.
No, they don't teach you that.
I don't know why, but it's true that they don't teach you that.
So ridiculous.
It's been more harmful, guys.
Wow.
Look around, you idiot.
Like, what in the fucking world are you talking about?
Every single person is a white man who's in power.
Like, every, just all of them.
Look in the mirror and recognize how mediocre you are and how much power you've had in the media landscape for so many years.
And it's because you're a white man.
It's because you're a white man to have a lot of people.
For example, I guess this is why it necessarily has to go along with conspiracism.
Because I guess you have to believe that like, well, you know how everything, literally fucking everything is run by white men, like just majority, vast majority, disproportionately so, more than we are the population?
That's nothing.
Forget that.
There must be some shadowy figures behind the scenes.
Because otherwise, how do you deal with the fact that literally the demographic that you're saying has been more harmed than Jews?
Yeah.
White men are in charge of everything.
Every president except literally one.
Yep.
And they've all been men.
So you've got that.
Like the men part, you're 100% on presidents.
But one of them was not white.
That's crazy.
And he was half white.
So you still get partial numbers.
Point is, if you said nothing about that, or if you encouraged it by, say, cheering on BLM, which was an anti-white hate group and said so, then you have no moral standing to lecture me about bias.
Period.
Who's he talking to there?
Because all bias is the same.
You are not allowed to hate people based on their bloodline.
Again, I would play this whole fucking thing because it's so funny, but I think I can skip some because he goes on like for, you know, a couple minutes about how there's no permanent enemies.
Like the Bible teaches us, you know, Saul of Tarsus or whatever the hell it is, like he was the worst.
And then overnight he's a, he's a hero.
And it's like, there's no permanent enemies.
Everyone is capable of whatever.
Again, all these high-minded Christian principles that just have no effect on his life.
He thinks he believes them.
He's very convincing right now that he believes them.
And I think it's because, again, I think his frame of reference, I think the thing he's talking about is just amongst the right wingers.
I think he probably does believe a lot of this when it comes to other right wingers, where it's like, there's no permanent enemies.
You know, tell that to Joe fucking Biden or whatever.
You know, like there's no everybody's, you know, collective punishment is all that stuff.
Like, I think he very much thinks he believes it and maybe does when it comes to right on right crime.
But the minute he's back on his show, it doesn't matter.
Okay, I got to skip a little bit at least, but this part's too interesting.
So I guess I would just say to the many organizations now, and particularly the supplies to the...
Are you ready to agree with Tucker Carlson a whole lot?
Yeah, that's going to be this theme.
Again, it doesn't really matter because he doesn't live this in any meaningful way, but he's going to say so many things that I'm like, yeah.
I can't.
Are you ready?
So I guess I would just say to the many organizations now, and particularly the supplies to the Anti-Defamation League.
Yeah.
Which has cheered off anti-white hatred for white.
No, Tucker, are you what?
Which has been one of the most aggressive cheerleaders for hate against white men in the United States.
Now trying to lecture the rest of us about hate.
I would say it's enough to put out the irony of that.
Come to our side, which is the side of humanity.
Yes, she is.
And oppose all hate against all people.
Say out loud, hate against whites is every bit as bad as hate against Jews.
It's a universal principle.
Or it's not a principle.
It's just a preference.
Wow.
Have you ever had to argue with somebody who has this view?
Because I have.
No.
I haven't had to argue with someone who literally believes that oppression against white people has been as bad as oppression.
But I have had to argue with people who are like, it's the same.
It's a principle.
It either counts all the time or none.
And you're like, yeah, but that does not important.
Like it counts just as much as hatred against the French.
And you're like, yeah, but I just don't think that's, especially in the U.S., like, does that matter?
Does that come up a whole lot?
Does that have an effect, really?
Does it mess?
Like, sure.
If you want to just for fun, be like all things being equal, just because I'm all for a good hypothetical.
I love a good hypothetical.
Hypothetically, we live in a planet with two people and no other people and no history and nothing has ever happened and one is black and one is white.
If you hate either of them for just the color of their skin, you are doing an equal thing in that situation.
Cool.
Great.
That's a cool hypothetical that just doesn't apply to anything.
You know, it's like, yeah, no, if you could come up with a scenario in which all things were equal, then those would be equal.
It's not to say that hating white people for being white is like not bad and hating Jewish people for being Jewish is bad.
Hypothetical Equality Debate00:05:59
It's not really that.
It's that it's just irrelevant.
Like it doesn't, it has no mapping onto our current reality in a way that matters at all.
But if all things were equal, truly equal, meaning, I don't know, like there was a country where black people had enslaved white people for 300 years or whatever it was.
And they controlled literally every single fucking lever of government.
And they've persecuted and the police shot white people at a hugely disproportionate rate.
And they're mass incarcerated.
Like, yeah, sure.
They entered the debate stage with America.
If you literally want to just flip the colors black and white as a hypothetical, then yes, it's not about the colors black and white.
Like if you just flipped everything and it was just the pigment was different, then yes, of course.
Right.
But that's meaningless.
Like it doesn't matter.
That's not actually what happened.
It's not really.
Yeah, it's not as though our son is colorblind or someone who has like a, sees color differently interacts with race differently.
Like it has nothing to do with that.
Like it's not the literal colors.
It's like the situation we're in.
Yeah, I'll be honest.
Like this sentence in particular just feels so clansy to me.
Like it feels like exactly what a Ku Klux Klan person would have said.
Yeah.
He's getting a little claims.
Against whites is every bit as bad as hate against Clancy.
That's totally what a Klancy guy would have said.
It's a universal principle or it's not.
Yeah, yeah, you're getting clancy.
Buy me dinner first.
Yeah.
It's just, yeah, it's so dumb.
It's just transparent.
Really, really frustratingly stupid, literalist.
So white, it's transparent.
Yeah, it's a thing.
It's a tactic that I very much understand from my previous life as a conservative, annoying person, which is when we were not together.
Yeah.
Which is, and I and I was never like, don't worry, I was never like this, but like as a kid, I could have seen making arguments adjacent to this of like, oh, it's just as bad if you do that because I had no fucking knowledge.
I had complete ignorance of the real.
It's more like a debate me bro kind of situation.
No, I'm not really debate me, bro, but it's just like in a vacuum when you're raised not with knowledge of the world.
You know, it's just like, yeah, no, of course.
If someone was being mean to a white person because they're white, that is the same as being mean to a black person.
It's like in a vacuum, again, if you were in a vacuum, we don't live in vacuums that we would die if we were in a vacuum.
That's a scientific fact.
But anyway, it's such a tactic that I noticed with a particular almost always male.
I don't know why.
And that's me being, you know, probably a racist in his night.
That's me being a racist against men or something.
But I don't encounter women making these types of arguments as much.
And I don't know why.
Maybe it's because men do all the fucking talking everywhere.
It could be that.
But let me know if you think I'm right on that or wrong.
The thing they do is really home in on a particular logical black and white thing that's like language-based and just refuse to budge from that.
So you'll be like, but disproportionate policing and like systemic, all that.
And they'll be like, if it's not a universal principle, then it's not.
So if it's not in every case, if hatred against white people is not the exact same as hatred against black people, then it's not a principle.
It's a pro, you know, it's like they're focused on this like hyper-specific logic thing that like doesn't matter.
Yeah, I think on the end of like not seeing women engage in this argument this way, I think is like a whole episode probably.
So like, I don't know if we want to go down that road.
But at least that the observation, do you think that observation's right or no?
Like that that's, cause I just, I've never come across women arguing in that way.
No, I, I, I think that's fair.
I think women tend to argue differently.
And that's for a variety of reasons.
And some of it is because they're shut out of those spaces where they might have participated in more of this type of debate or argument style.
But yeah, it does not happen from my perspective.
Yeah, it's really interesting.
I mean, there's all kinds of crap that obviously only men do because like when there's the underlying basic kind of overvaluing of men's voices, I think it very much comes from a deep-seated, almost evolutionary thing in that throughout history, we have to be more scared of men than women.
Like it's just men are like throughout history more violent.
They're the things we worry about.
Like when we worry about something, we're worried about, you know, it's like, we're worried about the men.
So like if there's a dumb argument style and a man does it, we might give it a little more credence than if a woman does it and we're like, oh, that's stupid.
You're a woman.
So I don't, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't know if that's.
Yeah, and also, you know, just misogyny.
That's what, well, it is that.
Yeah.
That's what it's all just baked in.
Yeah, no, I'm very much saying that.
It's like the, I think, I think that's maybe like an underlying, that's always been my theory of like a reason why there's so much misogyny and like while there's the hypothy in particular, like the hypothy thing, reading like Kate Mann and a lot of that, you know, like this over regard for men because they're the ones we fear.
Like they're the ones who, if we're worried about a conflict or something turning violent or anything like that, like we are worried about men.
really think that has a broad and large effect and even if it's a small effect the fact that it's so like broad and it's so everywhere you know I think just vastly skews the gender dynamics of our society and just makes men the priority so much more than they should be yeah but I guess like teasing that apart from power can get complicated right like because men are often the ones in power and so then you don't necessarily fear the result because of man,
but also because of the assumed power that they have, largely because they're a man, right?
Like so figuring out exactly like how to tease that apart, I think gets complicated.
That's a good point.
It's interesting.
It might be the feedback loop result where it's like that's, but yeah, it's kind of one in the same eventually.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Okay, sorry, getting back onto this.
Identity Politics Proxy War00:14:36
Back to the white man.
Yeah, we've been so racist toward him.
I think we need to give him a chance.
On a universal principle, it's not a principle.
It's just a preference.
It's just identity politics.
And we've had enough of that.
And that's the one thing that will destroy this country, certainly.
Sorry.
The biggest, most oppressed group is white men.
Now, enough of these identity politics.
Now that I'm done declaring my identity in front of all of you.
We are literally, we've been harmed more than Jewish people.
Now, enough of this identity politics.
Yeah.
So funny.
The only thing that will save it is the understanding that principles upon which America was founded apply to every single human being always.
Dot, dot, so I just want to say that.
But it is a way of saying that it's a more tepid response than Ben Shapiro, I feel like.
Yeah.
It's interesting.
I mean, it's the response is there, but it feels more tepid.
Also, his stuff is, I think, maybe another reason there could be more of a tepid response is the stuff he's saying very much so people in the crowd might be thinking this is supposed to apply to the left at all.
And they're like, wait a minute, I don't want to treat people charitably or do anything.
No, no, this is about Nick Fuentes.
Remember?
Like, this is basically being like, no, we need to also treat Nick Fuentes like a human being here, too.
And why are you getting mad at me for having a human being on my show?
He's just another human being, you know?
Yeah.
Sorry, were you saying that's what they're saying?
No, no, no.
I'm just saying like from Tucker's perspective.
Oh, yeah.
He's like, you know, right, no, exactly.
It's like, but is that lost on some of the audience?
And they're like, wait, do I have to, does this mean I have to think Joe Biden isn't evil?
Because I want to think he's evil.
You know what I mean?
So like, I wonder if that's part of the tepid response or if there's more, like, I don't know if there's more Ben people here than, I don't know, we'll see as it goes on.
By way of saying that I'm not just situationally opposed to anti-Semitism, I'm actually opposed to anti-Semitism.
And I hope that the ADL will join me.
I'll send them money, by the way, if they come out against hate aimed at anyone and everyone.
Hope they will.
But let me just say something.
Imagine coming up with a way to be annoyed and mad at the ADL right now that I'm like, nah.
Well, yeah, no, because he's basically saying, like, if the ADL comes out and says that hate against Nazis is also wrong, then I will send them money.
Yeah, what are you talking about?
What are you doing?
What do you think groups form in order to do?
You know, like, why do you think like, hey, we're a group that's going to say all bad things are always bad.
Donate to us.
Cut us a check.
Yeah.
Thank you so much.
People have interest groups.
Like, as much as the ADL fucking sucks now, it's funny to see, like, I almost was like, ooh, you're perking up, you anti-Adi.
Oh, never mind.
Yeah.
No, it's just because they don't like Nazis and he would like them to like white people.
But let me just say something more broadly about where the conservative movement, whatever that is, the people who voted for Trump, the Trump coalition, and the supposed civil war going on within that group.
I don't think it's real.
I think it's fake.
I think it's totally fake.
That's one side of this.
And I've had pause to think a lot about this because this is really interesting, actually.
I've been unwittingly involved in the proxy war.
There are two things going on here, and I'm not guessing.
One is jockeying for position post-Trump.
So Trump created this amazing coalition, bringing in people who had never voted Republican before, but were very enthusiastic about him.
And that coalition took over the most powerful government in the history of the world.
So there's a lot of stake here.
And so the question becomes: who gets to run it after?
Who gets the machinery when the president exits the scene?
And there are a lot of people in Washington, maybe even in this room, who aren't quite sure what they want, but they know they don't want JD Vance.
Okay?
And so the attack, and you heard it from the stage tonight, there's someone here who's a very bad man.
And he's friends with JD Vance.
Could be me.
I'm sad about being used in a proxy war over politics in which I'm not involved in any level.
I'm not an advisor to anybody.
But I just think I should say that out loud.
Okay.
There are people who are mad at JD Vance, and they're stirring up a lot of this in order to make sure he doesn't get the nominations.
This is true.
So this raises the obvious question, which is why are they mad at JD Vance?
Such a nice guy.
She is.
They're mad at JD Vance because he is the one person, and things could change, of course, but right now, who really kind of buys the core idea of the Trump coalition.
Now, what is that idea, ladies and gentlemen?
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
Do you know?
What is it?
I don't know.
What do you think he's going to say?
Just keeping you involved.
I don't know.
What do you think he's going to say?
What does he think the Trump idea is?
I hate immigrants.
No, like, what would he say?
I mean, that's kind of, that is.
In what language?
Oh, like branding.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and just America first.
There you go.
Ding, ding, ding.
There it is.
America first.
She nailed it, everyone.
That wasn't an edit, but he actually nailed it.
It's really simple.
Very good.
Which I notice some people are pretty anxious to retire that phrase.
So that's really interesting because, like, he says, I'm not guessing.
So I imagine he's referring to something, like maybe some back chatter thing he has access to in terms of something.
But I just don't really see how is he like, I think the things he's saying about a kind of a proxy war going on about the future after Trump, that's obviously true.
Like there's going to be that.
There would be that if there was a Democrat, like there would be some sort of battle going on about the future.
But how does that have to do with this feud?
I think that's a pretty weak connection.
I think, again, he just doesn't understand.
And I think he's fundamentally incapable of seeing, say what you want about Ben Shapiro.
I think Ben Shapiro identifies his Judaism with Israel and is really concerned about that issue.
I disagree with him vehemently on that.
But I at least grant that like that's what he's doing.
It's real for him.
Yeah, I think he links.
And I have a lot of empathy for that to some degree.
When I've talked with Jewish friends about like, you know, we've been persecuted throughout history and there's a feeling that like never again means ever again and we're not as a people going to tolerate anything like that.
Like I understand that.
And I at least understand that that's what's going on.
I'm not going to, I don't think there's any need to like, nah, it can't really be that.
It's got to be a proxy war.
And I think that just, again, is so revealing of Tucker Carlson.
I think he just doesn't think people believe what they say ever.
And that's why I also with the naughty thing, I think it goes with, like, I really think he doesn't believe that people believe what they say.
You know, I'm just putting this together now, but I think it goes along with, and you wouldn't know this as not a white man, but no, it goes along with, I think a lot of white men, a lot, and this is, I think the proof is in the pudding of the proof of the pudding isn't.
No, it's the actual phrase.
There's one we got to fix.
Don't make my nouns, verbs.
The proof of the pudding is in the tasting is actually the phrase.
But now people say the proof is in the pudding.
Because of the viral YouTube guy.
Well, no, I think this one's been forever.
I think people just, I think that's too long of a phrase.
And I think people are like, I don't have time for that.
Gotcha.
The proof is in the pudding.
It's just easier to say.
We get it.
Yeah, but it's like the proof of whether or not the pudding is good as when you actually taste it, I think is kind of what it's getting at.
That's like the longer.
Anyway, point is.
The proof of this bigotry is in the MAGA, which is I think a lot of white men throughout the, you know, 90s, 2000s, 2010s had this feeling out of, I think, sheer audacity that like, well, people don't really believe this PC crap, right?
Like everybody's, everybody, you know, is like me and they think like, oh, black people, you know, they all think that, but they're just faking it to be polite.
Like that's what Tucker believed.
I strongly believe that.
I think Tucker and people like Tucker think, and a lot of people think this.
It's, it's depressing.
They think that no one actually believes in political correctness stuff, like social justice stuff, wokeness stuff.
They think, I strongly believe this.
They think that it's just about trying to like gain status in some way or be cool in some way.
Yeah.
And it's like, I think he genuinely thinks that people don't believe that.
Relating that back to the Ben Shapiro thing, like I really think he's just trained to think that everyone always has an ulterior motive.
And, you know, sometimes people do, especially in his bullshit line of work.
Like sometimes pundits, politicians, yeah, like they're honestly like a lot of times they will.
But like when it comes to Ben Shapiro, man, I don't doubt Ben Shapiro sincerely cares about Israel.
Like I don't doubt that.
Yeah, well, I mean, it comes down to his like position on identity politics, right?
Where he waxes on about being a white man and like, why are you going to go after cis white men?
But identity politics are bad.
And what we're seeing is identity politics is inevitable because you have an identity.
I guess the point I'm making is he can't even believe that Ben is doing identity politics.
Yeah, no, I know.
Because he thinks it has to be like a— Because he thinks all identity politics is fake, right?
Yeah.
Except when, except when he's talking about being a white man.
I don't think he thinks that, though, because I think he would say that like black people are only looking out for black people because of identity.
Yeah, okay, I guess.
You know what I mean?
He could put Ben into that category.
That it's not necessarily fake, but that it's used as a tool.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's weird.
It's just weird to me because of all the things I think Ben is full of shit on, I don't doubt that he cares about Israel.
I bet he cares a lot.
Like he seems to wear that on his literal sleeve or whatever.
Like he, he like actually, yeah, on his head.
He like, and that's his religion.
That's his in-group.
That's his people he care.
This is his culture.
It's what he cares about.
I take that sincerely.
I disagree strongly with where he goes with that because I think it's, it's just terrible.
I think you can have too much empathy with a group and it causes you to not see other groups as people.
And that's really, really, really bad.
Sometimes there is too much focus.
It's not really about empathy per se, but it's like, it's about too much empathy on one side causing you to get so emotionally invested in that side that you're willing to overlook just horrible things going on to the other side.
The loss of shared humanity.
Yeah, exactly.
But I don't doubt that there's that empathy.
I think that's what Ben's doing.
Like, why would you think this is about JD Vance?
I don't even understand how this helps or hurts JD Vance.
Am I crazy?
It's just, I feel like he's trying to just hijack something.
Like he's trying to like make it.
I think this is him trying to discredit it in a weird way, you know?
And I don't, I don't get it.
It's just very weird.
Now we're going to transition to like his putting America first stuff.
And this is where like, I think there is a genuine belief out of Tucker.
And it's the weird thing is when Tucker starts talking about all this stuff, I got this feeling that like, oh, wow, this is almost kind of irrelevant in a way because Tucker might in a way be like a true believer.
He's a true believer in something awful.
Don't get me wrong.
But I feel like he's a true believer in the America first thing.
I think he's a true believer in that.
And what's funny is that like, even though that's all about Trump and that's what Trump allegedly was doing and that like all of that is there.
And yet it doesn't really matter because at the end of the day, it's who's running our government.
And sometimes they're doing America first stuff, but a lot of times they're not like even on its own terms.
Like even if we were just to grant like, okay, America first means don't spend our money on foreign wars or whatever.
Fine, I could agree with that.
You know, like, yeah, sure.
Don't love the name.
Now, does it mean actually taking care of Americans?
No.
It doesn't mean actually taking care of Americans, really.
That's why it's stupid.
But like, what's funny is like, I almost see Tucker in a way as being this sort of, this is why I'm so interested in this.
I don't know what's true here, but, but I got a feeling, and I don't, again, I don't know if this is true, but I got a feeling for a moment here that like, wait, is he kind of irrelevant in a way?
Like, it just doesn't really matter.
It matters like who kind of hijacks Trump for their purposes in a way and who's in the government and who's doing what they want within the government.
I don't know.
Well, here, let's listen a bit.
Right again, by putting America first.
Now, what does that mean?
I'll be more precise.
It's not a complicated concept.
It's a really simple concept.
The U.S. government, the largest organization in human history with the most well-funded military in history, ought to, in all the decisions it makes, put the interests of American citizens first.
That's it.
Oh!
That's creepy.
Sounds kind of fascist.
You're going to invade Poland now?
No, just the opposite.
In fact, the original America firsters were kind of against wars, and the current ones are too.
Actually, it just means what it sounds like.
The government ought to serve the people who elected them in whose name the business.
Actually, I think it does because he is actually making a point.
And you know what?
It was very quick, but I caught it, you know, on the 15th time around.
He actually started off, and it's going to be like 10 minutes ago by now.
He started off with an interesting language construction, which I think reveals that he's unhappy with a lot of what Trump's doing.
Because the thing he started with is, I can't remember the exact wording, but it's there if you go back.
It was something like what I believed and a reason that I tried to work to get Trump elected.
It was something like that.
And then he starts going off on this thing.
And I actually think this does age well because he's already saying he doesn't agree with the Venezuela thing.
He doesn't, he like give the devil his due.
He doesn't want them to be doing foreign wars.
He's actually, that's why there's a big schism.
I think that's more the schism than whatever the fuck he's talking about with JD Vance.
Like the schism is that Tucker Carlson actually doesn't agree with that stuff.
He's super anti-helping Ukraine at all.
Right, right.
I thought he was like a Russian stooge based on how fucking Russian stooge-like he was being.
But he's being consistent.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Like I find myself wondering, like, is he just really, like, it's dumb, but like.
He's isolationist.
He's very isolationist.
And I think he also, obviously, anytime his enemy is doing something, he's going to kind of go over to the other side of that too much, like to trigger the libs or that kind of thing.
Like, I think it might be that.
Like, I think he genuinely, because he's taking a ton of flack for the Israel thing.
Like, he's gone against, you know, Trump, really.
He's gone against Trump.
He's gone.
Currency Wars00:14:19
He's against spending American money on anyone else.
Now, this is idiotic for a million reasons.
Please don't get me wrong.
This is idiotic for a million reasons.
And he's not actually in favor of spending American money to help fucking Americans.
He just thinks that if we don't spend it helping other people, that somehow helps us.
I don't know how fucking how, because you're not using it for anything.
But anyway, I think it does age well.
It's very weird.
Now, there are two things to know about this idea.
The first is almost everyone's for that.
Okay, I think I can skip a little bit of this because he's saying everyone's for it.
And a lot of people, even if you explained it in different terms, even Democrats might be for it.
And it might be true.
Like if you explained it in different terms and said, do you believe we shouldn't be spending money on foreign wars?
Instead, spend it on Americans.
Yeah, but you don't do that.
Like, I don't know.
Look, I confess I don't follow Tucker.
Could be that he's like, yeah, let's do a Medicare for all bill or something, but like, I don't think he is.
No, I doubt that.
So again, I would love to be like, sure, man, America first.
Let's not spend money on foreign wars.
But the part that gets me is then like, what are we doing with that money?
And I think what he really wants to do with it is I guess businesses get to keep it.
Rich people get to keep it because then maybe, maybe, and this is giving him some benefit of the doubt that I don't know if he deserves.
Like maybe he thinks if American people are richer than trickle down, blah, blah, blah.
Everybody will be better, I guess.
I don't know.
Or has he ever supported anything that's like actual helpful to Americans policy, like actually spending money on Americans?
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
I don't think so.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm really not sure 100%, but my instinct is not.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
Cause like there are the people, though, sometimes where like there was that weird universal basic income thing.
And like, you know, we know that there are really shitty conservatives who like say they want a universal basic income, which would be spending money on Americans.
Yeah, no, I think he's America first, but also don't spend money on anything.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
Which is like, okay, great.
That doesn't fucking be.
Like, he's, yeah, he's smag.
So he goes on like, the only legitimacy the American government can have is if it's America first, because that's, that's why we consent to be governed.
So you'll put us first, you know, stuff that like, okay, but like, then you're just pushing it one step further because I think a lot of the money get that gets spent like in foreign aid is ultimately because it does help America.
Like we could recast a lot.
I'm not saying all, because I do genuinely believe that we should spend money to help other people just help them.
I believe that.
You know, I don't think we should spend all our budget on it.
Like, obviously, like we also need to take care.
The government should take care of Americans more than other people in the world.
Like, sure, of course.
It's our tax dollars.
And that should mean giving us health care.
And that should mean doing a bunch of stuff for us.
Like, I agree with that.
And then a certain percentage in the way that you would approach money management in any other way.
Sure.
A certain percentage goes towards charitable causes.
And it should be more than the point fucking 5% that it was that we now gutted and killed like hundreds of thousands of people for no fucking reason.
That's so awful.
I want to both say that that is better for America and you could easily argue for it for America first.
And it is, but also, I mean, I don't think.
And it's worse for humanity.
And so then what kind of country are we?
Yeah, exactly.
And I want to both say that like, I don't think that's necessary.
I think it doesn't need to be America first.
I think it should be good to, like you said, just like any budget.
Hey, we have, we're so rich.
Let's help other people.
But setting that aside, you could easily cast tons of our policy as America first.
Like, and in fairness to the fucking warmongers, like they do tend to cast that as America first, oh, we need our safety.
You know, we got to protect Americans.
And credit to Tucker Carlson, again, to give the devil his due.
He, he casts that aside.
He's like, that's not real.
Like, they're not, what are the people of Gaza going to come bomb us?
That's not real.
Like, okay, all right.
Give me credit for that one.
Poor dying pregnant women that are eating clay because they have access to no food.
They're going to be the ones that are going to, yeah.
He says a lot of stuff that, again, it's hard to endorse anything he says, but he makes a lot of statements to that effect in the speech.
They're like, yeah, man, cool.
All right.
I guess I'm glad you're saying that.
So anyway, that's one thing I did want to say about his whole America first thing is like, it doesn't really suck.
Like, I think it's a convenient package to put all his messaging in.
And again, I can't, I feel like it's kind of genuine, but I think the easy response is like, yeah, but you could argue that a bunch of progressive policy is America first.
Like it's going to help Americans first.
Like it is, you know, giving us healthcare helps Americans.
Doing foreign aid helps America.
It gives us a good like image throughout the world.
Isn't that good?
Like, isn't isn't that beneficial?
You know, it like helps us.
Nations want to cooperate with us.
It helps, you know, us being a leader on the world stage.
You know how fucking good that was for us and how much it's blown right now?
Oh my God, I know.
And I'm conflicted because it's maybe not good.
Like it's maybe not good that we've had so much influence.
But as an American, it's undoubtedly in my pure self-interest.
If it was just like purely, we were selfish as Americans, it was better that the world revolved around us to the degree that it did.
And it really did.
Like the currency, the language, like I'm not saying all places and all peoples, but I'm saying largely the world economic system and culture revolves around America to a disproportionate degree.
Yeah.
And that has been fucked.
Like the dollar not maybe being like the currency that people kind of value throughout the world as sort of like, it's not like everyone's default currency, but it's a currency that has a lot of value to everyone.
That has actually, and it's funny, there's an economics thing about this.
There's an economist who wrote a paper that that's probably resulted in you and I and every American having like effectively like a 0.25% to 0.5% reduction in the interest rates on like every loan we've ever gotten.
Isn't that interesting?
Because our currency is so valued.
It's really complicated economics, but this is a real thing.
This was an economist that Ezra Klein interviewed some time ago that I found that really fascinating.
It just has to do with, you know, like macroeconomics.
I took that class, but holy fuck, is it complicated?
It is a really complicated topic.
But one way or the other, as not at all next.
I did great in that class.
Of course you did.
You did great in every class.
My understanding is that, well, I bet you explain it.
No.
I do great in the class and then it leaves my brain.
We would be such a good team because you are good at all the things of class that are actually more important to getting a good grade.
And I'm like, I don't care about any of that, but I do kind of want to like understand some of these concepts and think about them more and not do homework.
We're a great team.
Yeah.
And the homework where they gave me like extra credit if I made it like look nice with colored pencils and stuff.
I would do all of that.
If we could have been a duo throughout school, no class would have gotten anything less than an A plus.
But it's something to the effect of like, because our currency is so valued and because, you know, like, because there's always people throughout the world who want to borrow money, like it's just some one way or the other, like you would almost think that would have the opposite effect.
But one way or the other, there's a paper that suggested that's been like a benefit to us as Americans.
Again, America fucking first, you idiot.
That has possibly been a benefit to us of like 0.25, 0.5% on a loan.
That's a lot of money.
Like think about the whole fucking nation, every mortgage, every whatever, even if it's just the lowest number of 0.25%.
That is fucking significant.
Yeah.
Again, globally speaking, I guess like maybe I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not that sad because America kind of sucks.
So maybe it's not terrible if we aren't that powerful on the world stage.
But I also worry that who fills that vacuum, you know, like Russia shouldn't.
China shouldn't.
I'm not more happy if Russia or China.
Well, who knows though?
If things get bad enough here, then sure, like maybe it is better.
Yeah, I mean, ideally, it's that you have people in power who care about people, right?
And like, obviously that's ultimately the goal.
But like for America to be like the it girl, you know, that, that holds a lot of power.
Just think about like when you go in to make deals and stuff and people respect you as a country and like you specifically as a leader, they respect you and they want to be your friend.
You know, like they're, I just think about Obama walking into a room versus Trump walking into a room and how other countries approach those conversations and those deals and stuff.
You are more worthy worthless now too.
Yeah, exactly.
And so, like, all I'm saying is it is America First to be an it girl.
So that's my platform.
Vote Lydia 28.
Nice.
I was trying to, I will.
I would vote for you.
Oh, thank you.
I'm trying to skip, but I realized I wanted to say that anyway.
Cause it is an interesting, like, again, I think.
I'm just going to go two parts on this Tucker thing.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
But, but I am skipping some amount of video time because he talks about, you know, the America First stuff.
And it's like, hey, man, if we lived in a world where that was a political debate we could have and it mattered, that'd be fun.
I'd love to have that debate.
Hey, actually, all this stuff is America First because it is, but we don't live in that world.
It's just fascism versus not fascism right now.
But let's see what we can skip to here.
So he says, you know, American citizens come first, et cetera, et cetera.
And then he's like, essentially going to like, that's all that matters, you know?
And it's like, it's, again, so once you realize that that's the statement at the center of the debate, it all becomes pretty clear.
Really clear, actually.
It's not an ideological debate.
There's nothing ideological about that.
I've got all kinds of kooky ideological views.
I love Knowles' list of all the views.
I probably had most of them in my long and varied life.
I have fewer now.
I just kind of want to see a good faith effort to improve the country.
That's it.
And I'm ever aware that I'm not exactly sure the right way a lot of times.
Are tariffs the best way to help the country?
I don't know.
I hope so.
Not an expert.
All I really care about is that the people in charge care.
That they love the people they lead.
That is the first and most important.
And that is what I've always said about Donald Trump.
Selflessly, he loves the people he leads.
I'm going to let it go a little longer before we.
Yeah, it's so funny.
That they love the people they lead.
That is the first and most important requirement of leadership.
They make mistakes, probably will, inevitably will.
I did.
But if he loves his kids, he'll do a pretty good job and they'll be fine.
Okay, I could probably skip a little bit.
People will evince you you have no agency or control.
You have a lot of control.
You just change the government.
Good.
Sure.
But if you want to know what the debate is going forward and what your job is going forward, it's holding your leaders to that very simple standard.
Not on tariffs or any of these specific policy questions necessarily, but on their motive.
Can you look me in the face and explain to me why the thing that you are doing, the money you're appropriating, can you tell me why that helps our country and our people?
Tell me how.
And if you're doing the whole shut up racist thing, then I have a right to question your motives, actually.
Why can't you answer the question?
But people do answer the question.
Yeah.
People do answer that question.
That is so obnoxious.
This is diabolical because I've been thinking about this conceptually and it's so fucking convenient.
And one of the themes that we've talked about through a couple of these is like, what is the it that brings all them together?
I think it's white Christian nationalism, really.
But it's interesting to hear different ones of them talk through that, you know?
Because like, you know, we're going to have non-white people kind of talk about that here a little bit in different speeches.
And they wouldn't say it's white Christian nationalism or we're going to have non-Christians sometimes and they wouldn't say it's Christian, you know, like it's what all holds it together.
And I think this is in the same way that Michael Knowles' thing was pretty diabolical because it's like, oh, it's not something can't quite put my finger on it.
It's not something you can learn in an immigration pop.
It's like, yeah, you're fucking talking about white people, dude.
Like, I know you, I think this is like maybe slightly less racial, but it's very convenient because it's so funny that he says it's a simple question.
He's like, oh, a simple question.
It's so simple.
It's not about tariffs.
Not blah blah, blah.
It's just this thing of motive which, by the way, he spent 10 minutes talking about how he shouldn't question motive and you should blah blah blah motive motive, motive.
And then he's like, it's a simple test.
If you want to know the one key test of like, should they be in charge or not?
It's, do they love America and are they putting America first?
Great man, that's awesome.
That's real actionable.
How do I know that?
How do I tell that?
Give me some information.
Well, it's very convenient, because the way you tell that is, Tucker Carlson tells you that.
They're saying that, yeah, tune into his show on his channel.
He's going to use his powers of divination to divine whether or not someone is actually cares about America.
And wouldn't, you know it?
The, the white men do and the black women don't.
Or the?
You know the?
Whatever, the Kamala is, the whoever?
Yeah, they don't.
That's useless man, but it's.
It's a perfect tactic for this kind of bullshit, you know, because it sounds like something you're like, yeah, they just should love this country first, and then you realize it's just a placeholder to be able to put your own bigotries, it's just a way to be able to say, well oh, who does, just so happen, they're not.
He's gonna say he loves all people equally or whatever.
He's not bigoted.
Sure you can say that.
I think he believes it.
I actually think he believes that about himself, but he's just blind to it.
That oh, what wouldn't you know?
It just so happens that all the people who actually love America are a certain kind of people, mostly conservative first, you know, but like also they tend to be white, and that it's hard to tease apart which is which there.
But there's a huge overlap.
And all the people whose motives you can instantly doubt, well, maybe they're more often women, maybe they're more often non-white, maybe they're more often not Christian, you know, whatever it is.
But he can think he's doing a real thing, but he's just doing a bigotry with more steps or fewer steps might be fewer steps, I actually don't know.
He does a thing where it's like, i'm not going to denounce people.
You're politically and this is more specifically kind of, you know, responding to Ben, i'm not going to denounce people, etc etc.
Brother's Supportive Barbs00:02:47
And he makes an interesting reference here that I don't know about.
If and if I know you, I feel like you'll look this up.
He says like oh, my brother's, my best friend and he once said something lunatic is his words.
All these reporters wanted him to like, denounce him, and he's like, i'm not going to do that, you know, because he loves his brother.
He's like, if my brother went on a murder spree, i'm not going to denounce him.
I'm going to say, don't do that, but i'm not going to denounce you know.
It's like kind of I don't know what his brother said, but but anyway, so we can skip through that a little bit.
I think what that's getting at.
There's like a number of things.
One instance is like, back in 2015, even it said that a person that worked for him wrote an article with a mistake about mayor De Blasio and one of the mayor's media people wrote to ask for a correction.
The author responded with a respectful disagreement.
The media person held their ground this is a woman, by the way provided more supporting evidence and an editor told her to stop being whiny.
Oh my gosh.
She reached out to Carlson about his staff's unprofessional response.
It says that he lectured her on how she was responding.
So his brother responded, supporting Tucker's response there, and said, whiny little, self-righteous bitch as part of that.
So this Like Tweedledee and Tweedledum.
Like they're together more often than I think any of us anticipated.
I didn't even know.
And they are so close.
Tucker named his son after him.
So initially, when I looked up Buckley Carlson, it was coming back as deputy press secretary for JD Vance, but that's his son.
That's Tucker's son that serves in that role, not his brother.
Oh, that's interesting to know.
Yeah.
But his brother, to this day, they are continuing this kind of back and forth sort of situation.
Just yesterday, there have been articles coming out about some drama that's been happening on X, apparently, where it says writer Eitan Fishberger, a critic of Carlson's views on Israel, claimed on X that an upcoming episode of Tucker Carlson's show featuring his brother Buckley would involve the Carlsons projecting their quote, unresolved daddy issues and familial psychodrama onto the American public.
Buckley Carlson responded with mockery of his own.
So glad you will be watching, Eitan, he wrote.
Do try and keep your clothes on and your hands firmly on the keyboard.
Can't recall if we mentioned you specifically by name, but we sure did talk about your kind.
And then Laura Loomer got involved and said the TPUSA humiliation ritual continues.
Tucker's brother recently accused TPUSA executive Tyler Bauer of being a homosexual and often tweets attacks on President Trump and his biggest allies.
So now by the way, Tucker doesn't hate anyone for how they're born, just so we're all clear.
So naturally, Tucker is having him on his show.
I'm sure TPUSA will continue platforming Tucker and his associates, though.
God's Side Decisions00:05:51
Anything to not have moral clarity, am I right?
So we have Laura Loomer, who is a character onto herself, kind of chiming in here and saying, like, hey, these two are freaking idiots.
I never thought I'd say this, but can we get back to Tucker Carlson?
Yeah, I know.
I know.
So anyway, a little side comment there.
So he sounds like an awful sexist bigot, probably.
And then he responded to that, calling Laura Loomer a relentless and bloodthirsty cheerleader of genocide, perpetual land theft, U.S.-focused espionage, blackmail, and expression.
Is there a sexist thing in there?
No, not in that one.
Not that time.
Wow.
Impressive.
I was counting on that.
It's weird to be woker now than in 2015.
I was like, I was going to say that.
It's funny to think back to a time where that would have mattered.
And now Trump is like quiet piggy and just doesn't.
Oh, yeah.
Doesn't even register.
People have forgotten.
But anyway, the point is you need to remember if you're a Christian, and I think there are a lot of them in this room, that Jesus makes demands on you and holds standards for you that are very different from those, as my friend, close friend Russell Brand so beautifully explained.
They're very different from those of the world, which really is controlled by Satan.
It's hard even to say that because it's so dark, but it's also so true.
So don't be surprised.
I think we can skip a bit here.
A lot of Jesus stuff.
We're diagnosing the plank in our neighbors or in the spec in our neighbor's side.
The whole thing begins with, I'm a pompous douchebag.
I'll admit it.
That's essential.
It's essential.
We are called to be righteous, but not self-righteous.
And we're also called, and I have to say this before opening it up to your hostile questions, we should also be very on guard against people who try to leverage the word of God, the words of Jesus, for political ends.
This is interesting.
Where's he going with this?
That is one, that is a dangerous thing to do.
This audience clapping for that shirt.
Literally, the entire event, the whole event.
The whole audience who has literally got a hat that says Jesus wants to kill the other people.
Jesus was MAGA.
The whole fucking thing.
The whole audience that has explicitly done the opposite of that is like, yeah, I totally agree with that.
Yeah.
This is really telling.
I think there's more here.
It's interesting.
This is all sort of new to me.
I'm so obviously a Christian that it's like a lot of people are going to be like, oh, I want to be like him.
But there are people, particularly Christian ministers, I have noticed, who are preaching a political message and pretending that it's the gospel.
So let me just say, and I think my theology is right.
I'm hardly a theologian.
God is not on any country's side.
Certain countries can decide to be on God's side.
And that is true for people too.
Okay?
God doesn't have a partisan affiliation.
He doesn't have a nationality.
And if someone is telling you otherwise, that is just not true.
It is not true.
And I would also call your attention to the very obvious prohibition.
Yeah, I love how that for a moment might be like, oh, that's true.
Yeah, refresh.
I agree with that.
And then you realize, wait, that's also meaningless.
It's just like when you say the only people who are the good people are the ones that put America first.
And you're like, well, how do you decide that?
I just decided.
God isn't on any country's side.
Countries can be on God's side.
Oh, okay.
Which ones and why?
Oh, us.
It's like, that didn't do anything.
That did not do anything at all.
It just made you feel a little more godly while you were doing the thing you already wanted to do.
It's useless.
And same with the political party.
I think he said, I don't know if he said that now or later, but he's like, God doesn't have a political affiliation.
People can, you know, affiliate with God.
It's like, yeah, okay, but you're just moving it one step that doesn't do anything.
Which people have aligned themselves with God?
The people you say.
Those are the ones who've aligned themselves with God.
It's all there is.
Here's the problem.
There's no God.
Sorry, man.
I hate to bring it to you.
Or if there is, like, just for fun, I'm sure not everyone listening is an atheist.
There's either no God or things are exactly how they would be if there is no God.
You could believe there's a God, but things are exactly how they would likely be.
Or at the very least, I'll even retreat a little more just out of being conciliatory.
Things are exactly how they'd be if we've never heard from God, just at the very least.
And so it's not very useful to say, like, well, we have to be on God's side.
God's not on any one side.
We have to be on his side.
That doesn't just translate to the same thing, man.
That just means like whoever you think is on God's side is on God's side, and then you've done nothing.
So, cool.
Cool, man.
The very obvious prohibitions in the New Testament against killing the innocent.
Here we go.
We are not, as Christians, allowed to kill the innocent.
Period.
We are not.
Okay.
And you see elaborate arguments on behalf of doing so or ignoring it.
Oh, that always happens in war.
Well, you're right.
One of the reasons I'm not that into wars, but when it does happen, unavoidably, we have to say that's wrong.
We have to say that.
We have to acknowledge that was wrong.
And I'm sorry for the extent to which I participated in it.
Forgive me.
Because killing people who committed no crime is immoral.
It will always be immoral.
And people who do it will be punished for it.
And nations that endorse it will be punished for it.
That's a fact.
Extreme Efforts to Mislead00:05:29
You know what's crazy is this was once again before Rene Goode.
But just listen to this.
And you are seeing now, you are seeing now a very intense effort to convince you otherwise.
Oh, it's fine.
They deserved it.
Really?
Did their children deserve it?
If a man commits a crime, do he kill his kids?
I don't care if it's in Minneapolis or Gaza City.
No, we don't.
Isn't that fucking crazy?
What does he have in mind there?
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm trying to think.
Like, I actually don't know.
Like, what is it just a random poll or is he maybe thinking about like George Floyd or something?
I think Phil Castile, who was who was Minneapolis?
Oh, yeah.
Who's uh, oh, oh, Philando Castile.
Oh, that might be right.
Well, George Floyd was Minneapolis.
Oh, he was?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Duh.
The fall of Minneapolis, the retcon.
Yeah, yeah.
Philando Castile might have also been.
Yeah, this is St. Paul, Minnesota.
Oh, still Minnesota, but what the fuck's going on with Minnesota?
I don't know.
What the hell?
Okay.
Isn't that weird, though?
Yeah.
It's just like an ominous thing.
Like, I don't know if why he is not important, but it's just like a weird coincidence.
And it's not like they were hosting it in Minneapolis.
That's a good question.
I don't think so.
I mean, it could just be a random poll, like, you know, Middle America.
Phoenix.
Wow.
Might just be like a America, you know, it's like a random Joe America city.
I don't know.
I'm not sure why he would do that.
But anyway, I love this because it's like, hey, man, fucking go nuts.
Right now, I can fully endorse what you're saying, even if you don't actually live this principle.
Because let me guess the next time a black man or indeed Renee Goode is murdered.
I haven't seen what he said on that.
I think he actually came out okay.
Yeah, no, he actually was okay.
That is, wow.
Okay.
See, do you see what I mean?
Like, I've been, this has been messing me up about Tucker Carlson.
He's still racist and he doesn't know it.
And he's still a piece of shit, but like, it's just that he's actually just more consistent than I thought.
Do you think he's always been that way though?
Or I don't know.
I just, I don't know a lot about it.
I think this comes from not just, you know, I always just cache the clips of roasting him.
And again, this is nothing like an endorsement.
It's just, it's, he's different than I thought.
He's like, the reason I'm making a big deal out of it is, for once, this is the topic of the show, but also it's like, I think it is important to understand these fucking people, you know, and like which ones of them want to do what and to whom.
There are big differences depending on if we're talking Stephen Miller or frankly, Tucker Carlson.
Like I would, if I could fucking kill Stephen Miller right now, I would.
End of sentence.
I don't even know why I said that.
I just would love to.
But if I could strike him dead and replace him with Tucker Carlson, I think I would.
Yeah.
I think he's more evil.
I think Tucker Carlson is evil.
I think he would be bad.
I think he would be less bad.
I think it's interesting, especially as we, you know, as he said, as we do move into hopefully, hopefully an era beyond Trump.
Fucking whether or not that will be better or worse, I now don't know.
I don't know.
I would have been more sure four years ago or whatever the first time, but now I don't fucking know.
They've ruined everything so badly.
But anyway, I want to know what these people actually believe.
And I do think that when we only consume the straw man versions of them, I shouldn't even say straw man, honestly.
It's not like, it's not like they're being straw man.
It's just incomplete.
When we only consume snippets of them, even though those snippets very often are very stupid and very harmful and very dumb, I'm not saying they're not.
I'm not saying they're being like clipped out of context, but it is a limited selection of them.
And maybe I'm unique in this.
I really didn't think he had this level of like coherence.
Yeah, I think when he was on Fox News, too, it's like it's the regurgitation of talking points, right?
I don't know that you necessarily got to know what he personally thought.
And I don't think that he actually really ever shared what he personally thought.
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I think he did.
I think that's, I mean, I think maybe on certain things, maybe.
I think he did.
I think he did.
But I do think it is important to try to understand a little bit about these people because at the end of the day, we do share.
They are our overlords.
Yeah.
No, but like, but we share a country with them and like they're, they're part of our communities.
I mean, like, Tucker Carlson's not in my community exactly, but people who follow Tucker Carlson are.
Like they live in this area too.
And am I going to pretend like they don't exist or am I going to say that they're all evil and just like write them out of my head completely?
Maybe for some of them, like you said, like the Stephen Millers and things like that.
But I think that there are people where it's like from a strategy standpoint.
Nuggets.
Okay.
I don't know about that.
I'm not sure if I'm going with you on that.
Oh, I don't know.
But I even just mean, yeah, I get it.
You're very kind, and I get it.
But also, I'm even just talking about from a strategy standpoint.
Like, if we don't actually understand who they are, then we're not going to be able to predict their behavior.
Yeah.
Like, and I see this a lot.
Like, people who comment on stuff, you know, and they'll just, and this is just internet, whatever.
Like, there's always the incentive to go to the most extreme all the time, you know, even if it's like the New York Times.
And I love bashing the New York Times.
And then we get the person who's like, yeah, they're directly fascist.
They want the whatever.
And it's like, no, you're going too far, man.
They're not directly Trump.
They're not Trump.
They're not trying to be Trump.
They're not the same.
But they are doing a very bad thing.
But it's like everyone has to do the like, it always has to be the most extreme version of whatever the thing is.
So it's like, take fucking Gavin Newsom, who just did something stupid.
I don't like Gavin Newsome.
But then the comment will always have to be, yep, he's exactly the same.
He's just a, you know, fascist who wants to be aware of that.
Extreme Excuses?00:07:45
You're not talking about my comments, are you?
No.
But it's just like, you know, there's the incentive to always go to the most extreme thing because also, especially when it's the most like mind-ready, counterintuitive thing, because like there's the incentive for everybody to appear that they know more than other people online, you know?
And so it's like, no, I actually know he is the, oh, yeah, he's just a Republican and whatever.
He's not a Republican.
He's not.
Sorry.
He's just not.
It's like there's always a fucking incentive to go the furthest possible thing because I think it makes people feel like they know something other people don't.
Sometimes they do.
It also feels like it enhances their ability to get likes.
Yeah.
People are going to say that they don't care about that.
You do.
No, that's why they're literally why they're careful.
Because you want to get noticed.
Point is this very interesting.
Let's let him cook because I feel like this is a one place where I just can pretty much say, yeah, man.
They deserved it.
Really?
Do their children deserve it?
If a man commits a crime, do we kill his kids?
I don't care if it's in Minneapolis or Gaza City.
No, we don't.
And if we do, accidentally, we say, I am so sorry that we murdered someone who did nothing wrong because it is murder.
And just Christian people have excuses for that.
It's a funny image.
Oh, and that's not a partisan question.
Yeah.
That is not a political question.
That is the only question that matters.
Do we have the right to murder people?
And the resounding answer that Christianity provides us is no.
Sometimes.
Oh.
I don't get into the whole debate.
You know, there's some unhappy people.
There's a smattering of applause, but the camera for some reason goes to like, we fucking love murder.
Shut up, man.
We're super, we love murder.
I don't get into debate.
Seriously, there's like some really unhappy people.
I didn't even know the terms, dispensationalist, you know, or whatever.
Replacement.
I'm an Episcopalian.
Okay.
I don't enter these debates.
Or was.
I can skip a little bit.
And killing tens of thousands of children and then making excuses for it on behalf of a foreign government is not in there.
It's antithetical to that.
Yeah, it's not in the Bible.
Sorry.
It doesn't make me a hater.
It makes me the opponent of hate.
So now that I've alienated most in the crowd with my staunch position against violence and power worship and money worship, which are also prohibited, and we should also keep that in mind.
And in all of us is the desire to suck up to power and accumulate money we don't need.
We're not allowed to.
Sorry.
Well, then why are you?
Anyway, now that I made everyone mad, are there any questions that I can answer?
We're so close.
We get a couple questions from just tragically indoctrinated children where they're just like, I'm an eight-year-old girl and I want to someday be a fascist.
What should I do?
It's fucking stupid.
But there's a pretty good one here that I do need to play.
But holy crap, we just about covered all that.
Is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, commonly known as APAC, is them being in America and not registered with FARA like all other lobbying groups in America?
Is that America first?
Is it America first for senators, Congress, and even our president to take money from AIPAC?
Is it America first to take money from a foreign lobby so you'll send taxpayer dollars to that country?
You know, even the question kind of answers itself.
Obviously, it isn't.
And that's not an attack on Israel.
It's certainly not anti-Semitism, despite the efforts of many to claim that it is.
It's just an obvious statement.
And the fact that people are attacked for asking the question, this is something that I talked to Charlie a lot about in his final months because he was being attacked as an anti-Semite for asking that question.
And we memory hold that, but I was there, so I saw it.
That's not the right way.
Don't attack people's motives.
Don't gang me a phone.
And I have a lot to attack people's motives.
I'm trying to remind myself, don't do that.
Respond to what's happening.
I've been trying to remember.
Fuck.
Right?
And so, no, of course it's not.
And it's totally fine to ask about why a foreign government tried to sink one of our ships in 1967.
That doesn't mean anti-Semites.
Sorry.
Those are Americans who died.
And by the way, the point is.
No, of course not.
And that's why they won't have the conversation.
And my point is, you know, I'm 56.
My kids are grown.
I'm just not afraid of you at all.
I don't hate you or anyone else.
I love this country.
I'm going to be here till I die.
I have an absolute God-given right to ask these questions.
And I'm going to keep doing that.
Period.
And you can shoot me or put me in jail, but the questions won't go away.
So, no, of course it's not.
And that's why they respond with like rage and shame because you caught them doing something they can't defend.
Duh.
Oh, man.
The next one is a guy who tries to like talk about his book.
It's so painful.
And he also does a thing.
I'm realizing, too, if you want, actually, this is a bit of like pretty revelatory Tucker Carlson lore.
He is really hard of hearing.
And that actually might be why he makes that stupid fucking face all the time.
And why he's always yelling.
Yeah, that could be that too.
But he, so he keeps, and partially it might be a tactic because whenever one of the questions will be like, oh, could you interview me?
He's just like, well, I can't hear you.
So there's part of that.
But he also can't hear the ones that he likes to.
And he says, like, oh, when I was a kid and we were hunting and we needed earplugs, my dad said, just use the filter off the cigarette.
And so I can't hear any of these questions.
Oh, no.
I know it's so awful.
But it's like, that actually might be why he makes that fucking face all the time.
And so it's like, I hate to elicit sympathy for Tucker Carlson, but that might be why he makes that dumb face.
So there's one more that you're, oh boy, you're just going to love this one.
Orient the Republican Party around the single most popular and true message ever articulated by an American politician, which is put your own country first.
That's why Trump got elected.
In 2016, it's why he's president now.
America first.
And don't think of everything in narrow partisan terms.
That's a trap.
Most people agree with that.
Most Americans have more in common with each other than they disagree on.
And almost everybody agrees on that.
And almost everybody is willing to tolerate a good faith argument about how to get there, except a few.
And they're the ones running around calling everyone an anti-Semite.
But everyone else is like, yeah, of course, that should be the debate.
And they'll vote for you.
They want that because they know they haven't had that.
That's the fact.
And what you're watching now, attacking people on the attacking millions of Americans because they're Muslims?
It's disgusting.
Hold on, what?
And I'm a Christian.
I'm not a Muslim.
I know there's a lot of effort to claim I'm a secret jihadi.
I'm not.
You should not attack people on those grounds.
And you're seeing it from Republicans.
What the hell are you doing?
What you're doing is trying to divide the country.
And I've lived through 50 years of this crap.
All these fake race wars that they're always promoting.
Oh, go hate each other while we loot the treasury.
Ban on Child Mutilation Effort00:04:10
That's exactly what's going on.
And most people are totally sick of that.
Holy shit.
So, yes, there is a possibility for a huge coalition of decent people once they free their minds from the traps set for them by others and realize, wait a second, we all want to make this country better.
And the 15% or 30% who don't, okay.
You know, good luck in Maryland or wherever you wind up.
But the rest of us would like to fix it.
That's crazy because I was like, oh man, dude, preach.
But then I'm realizing, like, oh, wait, I think he's talking about Joe Biden.
I think he's talking about like, oh, the liberals start these race wars by emphasizing race.
They're the 15% of the country that can just go live wherever you need to.
Emphasize race too much and be anti-white man.
That's how we're doing.
And then we're looting the treasury.
It's like, dude, I mean, I guess I'm not sure, but that's what I think he's probably talking about.
But for a moment, I was like, dude, do you understand what you're saying?
Like, that is what they've been doing.
Yes, that's what literally your whole party does all the time.
That's been the point of all of it all the time.
It's very weird.
Then we get, okay, you're right.
This is a great one.
Here we go.
You're going to lie.
Tucker.
Tucker, my name's Harrison Tinsley.
I'm a single dad in California.
Didn't get to meet him till he was 15 months old just because I'm conservative.
One half copy.
His mom tried to trans him.
Long story short, I have full custody now, and it's a dream come true.
But it's a miracle.
And praise God, because I know so many dads that all have zero custody because of this.
So Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill, Protect Children Innocence Act, just passed the House.
Can we pass it in the Senate and finally end this gender insanity, mutilating, hurting kids?
And will you?
Last part, pull your face back for the microphone so I can hear you.
And will you interview me?
Am I going to interview detransitioned people?
Is that the question?
No, no, me as a dad.
And can we finally stop the mutilation of children with Marjorie Taylor Green's bill?
Okay.
I'm just going to say, when I was a child, we did a lot of birds on it.
And my father would always say, my brother and me, he'd say, Pop, you know, everyone wears earplugs.
And he would just say, pull the filter off your marlboro and stick it in your opposite ear.
Your marble.
Wow.
And that's actually, at 56, made it really hard for me to hear microphone questions.
So you asked, and I'll just answer this and stop.
You asked about Marjorie Taylor Greene's bill to ban the mutilation of children, which for some reason seems to have a lot of trouble getting through the House of Representatives, which is controlled by Republicans.
And if there's ever a clearer example of whose side they're on, I can't think of it.
Because at least on some of the foreign policy stuff, they can tell you, no, no, no, we have to be at war with Russia because Putin's bad.
He's just bad.
He's bad.
Okay, got it.
We have to kill all the kids in Gaza because otherwise the Gazans will come here and kill us.
Okay.
What's the potential excuse for allowing the sexual mutilation of children?
At that point, I'm like, you know, I don't want to question people's motives, but I'm starting to wonder.
And I do think it just gets back to you have to demand more from your members of Congress, from your leaders more broadly.
You're not allowed to sell us out again because if you keep doing that, people get radical and hateful.
And then they get desperate because they realize their vote doesn't matter.
And that's when things start to go sideways in a way that nobody wants.
So yeah, if you can't even ban the castration of children.
Oh, my God.
I hope there is a list, and I've been traveling today, but I hope on the internet there's a list of everyone who voted against that effort.
And I hope that they are punished for it.
I mean, they will be ultimately, but I hope they're punished in this life.
Anyway, thank you very much.
There you go.
And that's it.
Wow.
What do you think?
Oh, I had to look up that guy.
So Harrison Tinsley, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I didn't realize he gave his actual full name.
He gave his full name.
Tucker's Belief Hangup00:14:06
Well, because he was like, and interview me.
Yeah, interview me.
Yeah, I'm sure.
So this idea that his.
The first claim is he didn't meet the kid until 15 months because he was conservative.
Yeah, it's so unrealistic.
I don't have time to dig into all of that.
Yeah, I'm not debunked false.
But just here's the prime.
I mean, unless the girl was like, I hate you.
You're disgusting.
I don't want you.
I mean, that could be true.
And also you're conservative.
Well, because you're conservative.
Yeah.
So this is just from Reddit, people kind of commenting on this from a year ago.
It looks like the custody battle started after the mother was arrested for felony child endangerment.
So I think there was a lot more going on here than gender identity.
Yeah.
Well, unless the child endangerment was trying to trans the kid.
Not in California.
That's not going to happen in California.
And it says, add to that CPS recommended mom get drug and alcohol testing.
So some folks are thinking that she probably got a DUI while the kid was in the car.
And then tried to trans the kid.
And that's how she lost custody.
Yeah.
And he got full.
So not because she was making him wear girl diapers.
Yeah.
Which whatever.
Girl diapers.
What is a girl diaper?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah, I think he sees a good grift and knows.
Oh, yeah.
Well, he's not even shy about it.
Interview me on your show.
What an asshole.
Okay.
Overall thoughts about Tucker Carlson because I found this very enlightening.
Man, no one's going to agree with me on this.
I feel like I want to talk to him in person.
After hearing this, I think there's like moments where if I could just like keep him in that mode, then maybe there'd be progress.
Oh, you're crazy.
I don't know.
Yeah, that's not happening.
That's why I said no one's going to agree with me on this.
This is my rose-colored glasses.
You know, let me have my moment.
But I don't know.
I don't, geez, I just walk away from this going like, I don't know.
I'm just like, you see what I mean?
Like, I was really kind of blown away by this in a lot of different ways.
And I'm like, yeah, I guess I'm glad that he's anti-bombing people in Gaza.
Like, that's good.
He's doing that.
And I think it does come from, like, I actually, I don't think that comes from an anti-Semitic place with him.
Like, I'm not saying he doesn't have anti-Semitism.
I think he probably does, but like, I don't, I don't think that's the main motivator there.
I think that one goes a little bit the other way around where I think he doesn't want to spending money on that.
And I think what you said was right.
I don't actually think he cares that much about the Gazans and all that.
I don't think he actually cares.
He doesn't want to spend any money on that.
And then I think from there, he's happy to find whatever allies and he doesn't particularly care if they fucking love Hitler.
But I also don't, you know, people may disagree with me on this, but I also don't think he's trying to platform people who love Hitler because they love Hitler.
I actually don't think he's trying to do that.
I think he has this hard-headed view that like platforming anyone is his God-given right and everyone should do it and it's great and whatever.
And like, it's just stupid.
And I think he's on the side of the schism that is anti-Israel or at least anti-that, you know, in the money.
Yeah.
And I think he's fine.
I, like I was saying the first time, I just don't think he cares or knows how harmful it is to platform that fucking guy.
I don't think he cares about it, which is slightly different.
Like it's, I would have thought before that he was trying to platform, like trying to specifically promote that anti-Semitism.
I, it's, you know, it's six and one and a half dozen things.
I don't know how much it matters, but it's just a, again, getting into this idiot's mind.
Like just, it's just weird.
It's fascinating.
I actually don't think he's trying to, because he resisted platforming that guy for a while too, like for a long time.
Yeah, he's just, he talks a lot about in this speech anyway.
He talks a lot about humanity.
Yeah.
And, you know, she would apply that to.
Well, and that's what I'm saying.
Like, if I just like, I don't know, not me, I guess, like, but somebody, I feel like, like, when he's thinking about it on, and I said this during the Ben Shapiro piece too, that when it seems like when he's approached by somebody talking about a situation as it relates to a person, as it relates to, you know, a friend of his, someone that he knows, right?
That it seems like he has an easier time of understanding why that stuff matters.
But when you have like the, the bird's eye view and you're talking about a community and the, the systems, right?
Like that's where Tucker seems to kind of get hung up.
And so I almost feel like if you have someone who's dedicated to kind of like keeping the humanity spotlighted throughout all those conversations, one-on-one with Tucker, I don't think you're going to get that way if it's like televised or anything like that.
But I do feel like there could be something maybe.
Man, I just, yeah, I just don't know.
It's like, okay, crazy question.
Yeah.
Crazy realization.
And then I guess a question.
I actually will say, I'm not agreeing with you, but I will say, you're an idiot.
I feel like if you had to choose who are you going to move more or who do you think you could maybe have some kind of fruitful, productive conversation with Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro?
I actually think I might say Tucker Carlson.
Just like, I think neither is going to do anything.
Don't get me wrong.
But I feel like Tucker at least is saying what he believes all the time, pretty much.
I think he's just this fucking asshole.
And I think he, and Ben Shapiro, I know I said before, like I do take him at his word with Israel.
I think he does believe what he says with Israel.
But I also think he just lies a lot with his arguments.
I think he knows he's making bad faith arguments all the time.
And I think Tucker maybe doesn't know that he's doing that, even though he is.
Like, I think he believes what he's saying.
I guess it all comes down to, after watching this, I actually kind of think Tucker Carlson believes what he is saying more than Ben Shapiro believes what he is saying.
I think I would have to answer that based off of who I am as a person.
No, sir.
And who I am as a person.
And I think that like, I think I would have more success with Tucker because I think it would be talking about humanness and sort of like ideals and values.
Maybe I did some LSD before this recording.
I just, we should be clearly with a flower in her hand right now.
I think Ben Shapiro would be more focused on like, well, the numbers say this, even if the numbers don't say that.
And I think it would be like, I think that would probably be more infuriating for me because I'd be like, you're wrong over and over and over again.
And I don't think the conversation with Tucker would be like that.
And here's another interesting thing.
I listened to recently, I think it was probably on the daily, but I think it was part of that stupid deal book fucking summit thing.
God, I fucking hated that.
But they had a panel of podcasters.
They had a discussion of podcasters.
Ahead of Golden Globes?
Was it for that?
No, I don't think so.
I think it was more about like here are the kind of new politics influencers type thing like the new medium-ish, you know?
So they had Jon Favreau.
Keep listening.
I'll tell you if they were nominated.
So I have to actually go look this up.
It's not, it's that he's Ben Shapiro, John Favreau.
He's going to be like, him and Ben Shapiro will be the only ones.
The guy from Dateline.
What?
Do you know this or are you saying that's who's no, it's the Golden Globes guys.
I know who was nominated for the Golden Globe for best podcast, but it sounded like you were saying you knew that.
Okay, well, hold on a sec.
Yeah, look it up.
Journalism interrupted seven podcast hosts on the state of the media.
Oh, man.
Okay, you ready?
Charlemagne the God.
Okay, never mind.
Yep.
Jon Favreau.
Amna Noise.
Nope.
Oh, co-anchor and co-managing editor of PBS News Hour.
Oh, yeah.
Well, they were eligible, but did not campaign because it was going to cost thousands of dollars, tens of thousands of dollars.
David Remnick, editor of New Yorker and host of New Yorker Radio Hour.
I think I liked him.
Stephanie Ruhl, host of The 11th Hour with Stephanie Rule.
I don't know.
Oh, on MS Now.
Okay.
Yeah.
All these like news.
Andrew Schultz, host of The Brilliant Idiots and Flagrant.
That guy.
Wait, I fucking know that guy.
Like personally?
No.
Andrew Schultz.
Is he the one?
Am I losing my mind?
Is this guy also a comedian?
Yeah, he's a stand-up comedian.
This is that fucking guy.
Oh, with the mustache.
Yeah, he's that mustache guy.
Mustache.
I thought it was him.
I was like, isn't that name familiar?
It's also kind of a generic name.
Yeah.
Oh, man, that guy.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
He's fucking sucks.
And Ben Shapiro.
Oh, there.
All right.
All right.
Point of all this was.
So two nominated for Golden Globes.
Well, was the Daily?
Do you know?
No, no, no.
Because again, I think a lot of the journalists, they were eligible, but they viewed it as a violation of journalistic ethics to spend 25K or 75K.
I think that's a great encapsulation of what's going on here because then you just think these shitty people who aren't as good at this job of journalism.
Well, I don't want to praise the New York Times right now, but you know, you get the point.
Like you think they are more deserving because they're nominated for these awards.
And then it turns out it's like, no, they, they were willing to spend the money to pursue it.
Well, and Amy Pohler won.
So, you know, celebrities.
Yeah, but she's not trying to do journalism.
No, she's not.
But this conversation was so fucking frustrating.
I listened to this thing.
The reason I bring it up is there's no fucking way in a billion years that Tucker Carlson would ever do anything like that.
Whereas Ben Shapiro comes on and he's like, plays nice, you know, and he gets along with Jon Favreau.
Yeah.
They get a lot because I don't think Ben Shapiro really believes all of what he says.
Yeah.
And maybe you could, you could maybe, if you were trying to bright side it, maybe he believes fewer shitty things than Tucker Carlson.
That probably is true to some extent.
But I don't know.
They're often on the very same side of everything.
And like, except for Israel.
And I think that Ben Shapiro is willing to play nice with a system that he kind of fundamentally is undermining.
Whereas I think Tucker Carlson is like, no, fuck that.
Like, I'm not even playing nice with it, which I at least respect as a matter of he believes what he says.
Ben Shapiro is constantly in the business of trying to promote Ben Shapiro.
Tucker Carlson is in the business of white nationalism.
Like he's just like, that's my full-time gig.
No, I don't think that's what I'm doing, apparently.
Or maybe he does and he just doesn't say it, but that's what he's doing.
And he really believes those things.
And for that reason, like I kind of feel like you could potentially have a discussion with him that I don't know why I'm still arguing because we're on the same side of this.
It's just interesting.
I didn't, I wouldn't have thought that.
Also, Ben Shapiro tried to make it as a Hollywood industry person or whatever.
Doesn't his sister do the musicals or whatever?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I mean, his cousin was Matilda and all that stuff.
So I think there's part of him where like you never really know where he's going to be.
He'll just act his way through it.
You know, he'll just kind of.
I mean, you mostly know where he's going to be, but yeah.
Yeah, now I know.
But yeah, anyway, I thought this was particularly interesting.
And I mean, who got the better of the essentially the exchange between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson in this arena, you know?
What do you think?
That's tough to say.
Yeah.
I think I have to say Tucker because he talked about Jesus also.
And like, that's going to matter a lot to the turning point audience.
Whereas Ben Shapiro is not talking about Jesus.
But Israel does matter too.
Yeah.
No, I don't know.
I felt like there was more applause for Ben.
I agree with that, but it was also the beginning of the day.
True.
True.
But also, Tucker was the headliner for the night.
And often that's who has more.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
Erica Kirk, did you do surveys following every evening?
And can we see that?
I really don't know.
I think that I don't.
I mostly think that it doesn't matter a whole lot because I do think that I think more of them than maybe us are aligned on the whole we need to stick together thing.
I think they've just been bet.
They've just been bet.
Republicans, the right has been better at all voting the same way more than us, you know?
And I feel like ultimately in the end, pretty much all of them had some sort of message of, hey, we actually don't need to fight or we don't.
We aren't really fighting.
You know, like they pretty much all did that.
I don't think that the vast majority of turning point audience members care that much that Nick Fuentes was on Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, I agree.
I think they will care about, I think a lot of those people probably consume Candace Owens content.
And so when Ben Shapiro is going after Candace Owens, I think some of them are going to be turned off by that.
Yeah, but some of also, I think there was some level of, if they're at a turning point event, they like turning point and she's talking major shit on turning point.
So that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, but she's also like both those groups are there.
Was close with Charlie Kirk too.
It's just.
Yeah.
No, no, I hear you.
I'm just saying that.
And I think there's kind of two factions there.
There's going to be people who are like, I can't believe it.
That shit, how much shit she's talking about them.
And there's also going to be the people who are, hey, they're just fans of Nazis.
They just love all the white nationalism.
So, you know, I collect all the cards, you know, the rookie cards of all the white nationalists.
There's going to be a lot of that.
Right.
Yeah.
But in the end, I wish it was more of a fight than it was.
I mean, it was pretty direct in places, but here's another thing.
I also think that Tucker was making that, or no, no, it was Michael Knowles, actually.
Was he the one saying, like, don't believe the people who seem to not care if we win, like, we need to just win?
I also think that was a little bit about Ben Shapiro because I'm not sure if I'm not sure about that, but I also get the sense that like, I think Ben Shapiro personally is happier in a world where, you know, Trump loses or Democrat wins than Tucker is.
I think Tucker is miserable when Democrats are in power.
I think Ben Shapiro, I think he gets to like do all his arguments.
Four Seasons of Vivaldi00:09:08
Yeah, I guess the content.
And I really just think that like Tucker just fucking is that guy.
He just hates it.
Anyway.
Yeah.
Thanks so much for anyone who listened.
And we are going to now reward you with 10 minutes of the stupidest conversation that anyone has ever had.
It was the best.
Yeah, it was actually.
And we're going to launch a new podcast over it.
It's more gavel-gavel level banter, but we'll make an exception.
It's a little goofy.
Ah, start the show with a nice yawn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hello.
How everyone's going to be.
Like the morning, like, oh, yeah.
Waking up, feeling nice.
I feel like that's a waking up classical music piece.
I didn't know if it was like another Star Wars thing.
No, that song, right?
That I love how there's like a piece of classical music for everything, and no one or like no normie knows what it is.
Yeah, only music theory people know what it is.
Music theory, yeah, people that listen to classical or whatever.
But like, there's the like, if you want to signal in a movie that things are fancy, there's the like, what's the one?
I was gonna say, uh, the one that's not fancy, that's not fancy, that's freaking Verdi or whatever.
Yeah, Verdi, Verdi.
Are we recording right now?
Yeah, this is a solid start to the show.
This is how I drew it up.
Yeah, we're still having our best.
That's true.
No, that one is that one is something.
Is it the four seasons?
Yeah, I know the four seasons.
Oh, is that that one?
Maybe.
No, I don't know which season that is.
Yes, and you that feels very springy.
It probably is actually.
Okay, here's what I'm going to do.
Is that the same one that goes?
Oh, I don't know.
I'm not a classical music aficionado.
I don't know if that's right, but now I want to see.
Okay.
Oh, I typed it maybe wrong because that's rightside broadcasting version of nice inside joke.
Okay, how do you, what's his name?
V-E-R-D-I.
That's what that's what I thought, but Verdi.
How does that not be the top thing?
Is he one of those artists that did a strike on Spotify?
He got up from the grave and was like, I don't like the Joe Rogan contract.
No, I typed in in Google.
It's the guy.
No, I know it's the guy, but it's not.
So where's the seasons?
Okay, the four seasons total landscaping.
Yeah, the four seasons.
Oh, it's Vivaldi.
What about no, we can't use this.
Well, wait a second.
Vivaldi.
No, Okay.
No, it is Vivaldi for sure.
I was just wrong.
Okay.
What's the Verdi one?
No, there is.
There is a connection.
There is.
According to AI.
Oh, no.
Okay.
So there's not.
This is Vivaldi.
Vivaldi's famous Four Seasons concertos with Verde's music from I Vespri Siciliani to create a Vivaldi and Verdi, the Four Seasons theme.
Oh, did some albums combine them together?
Because they both have written songs regarding, I don't know.
I'm going to search this.
Vivaldi and Verde, The Four Seasons.
Yeah.
Total landscaping.
Just call me Rudy Giuliani.
Okay, I'm on Wikipedia.
That's a safe source.
Okay, Vivaldi was a hundred years before Verde.
Yeah, okay.
So I don't think it's that.
They were not that is a V. It was a V, and I don't have a brain anymore.
Okay.
Yes.
So the top digital.
We got to go to Vivaldi's top hit.
All right.
So Spotify was right and Google was wrong.
Well, obviously, yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
The top one is this one.
Wait, is this part of the me neither?
Wow.
This.
Well, this is one of them.
Yeah.
Or is this.
I don't know.
That's the same one.
Okay.
That's it.
Hold on.
I want to actually go to that's that might be summer.
Let's see.
Okay, here we go.
Here, let's go to the album.
The album's better anyway.
Yeah.
There it is.
It's the first one.
There it is.
Oh, and it's the very first one.
That song honestly is very fancy to me because that's like great coupon.
That's like Masspiece Theater.
That's the only one of Imager Piece Theater.
The fancy things in life.
That's a bop.
Yeah.
Yes.
I did have the right song, though, right?
Wasn't that what I did?
Okay.
I think so.
We'll have to go back and check this out.
Let's see what the second most popular season.
So he's got three for each season.
Okay.
Because they had to do the different spring is popular.
They could do Allegro.
Yes.
Adagio.
Yeah.
They had to do three cheeses per season.
Adagio.
Three cheeses slash noodle shapes per season.
Yeah, no, it's got to be noodle shapes.
We're talking Italy.
Okay, the second most popular is winter.
Oh, is this going to be a bummer?
Let's see.
Do we know this one?
Oh.
Oh, whoa.
I don't know.
I don't know this either.
Ooh.
Okay.
Oh, man.
This is getting dark.
It feels very wintry.
He's about to kill himself.
Has anyone checked on this Vivaldi guy?
It's definitely like a Scrooge vibe.
Oh, oh, hold on.
It's turning.
No.
Oh, that was just a fake out.
No.
It's staying in that little minor.
Dude, is this going to have like a chorus that we know?
Oh.
Oh, yes.
I know this.
Oh!
Yeah!
This fucking one!
That was the loudest reaction you've ever had to anything.
I don't, I only recognize that literal one part and not anything else.
If you could see me vibing right now in my room, yes, Now we're getting, I'm getting a Sherlock vibe or something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, here we go.
Of course!
Duh!
Those fuckin' rules!
Okay, this is one of- This is so good.
It turns out all the classical references are just Vivaldi.
And the funny thing is that I'm pretty sure Vivaldi is like sneered upon by, you know, it's like, oh, is he?
But God, that's good.
It's a total sellout, like basic, basic B-word classic.
You know, pumpkin spice latte.
Yeah, it's a good thing.
Vivaldi.
Speaking of, let's try it.
You know what's funny is autumn is like the fucking black sheep of the Vivaldi four season.
It's interesting.
It's like nobody's dog shit.
Nobody even listens to it.
Yeah.
Do you even know it?
Play it.
Oh, come on.
What?
How is that not the most popular one?
What the hell?
Well, man, winter's a freaking vibe.
Is that the one I did?
No, you did spring.
They sound so similar.
Oh, yeah.
It's different.
It's different.
It is kind of similar, though.
Of course.
Well, it's supposed to be an entire set.
It's a concerti.
Did he ever play any other instruments, like a guitar?
I doubt it.
This is, oh, this has gone too long to even be post-show band at this point.
Anyway.
Well, we're going to give it to the people.
But I think what's funny is the, so the spring is the kind of the fancy one sometimes.
And then there was the first fancy one that I did that I think wasn't Vivaldi, maybe.
Or I forgot.
But winter is also.
No, it's not fancy.
Winter is in the movies, it's like a dramatic, like someone, you know, it's like, it's more of a drum.
Except when it gets to the Toyota.
The Toyota.
Toyota-thon.
It totally is a Toyota-thon.
You're right.
I wasn't going on the Toyota thon using it.
Like, like, let it move into the gift buying vibe.
That's a good point.
You make a strong argument, but I do feel like this is like in the movie where it's like the person I picture there's like someone's like driving to commit a murder or something.
I don't know.
So, something like that, you know?
Yeah.
Things are not good.
Yeah, it's a dramatic someone just got bad news, but you can't really hear it.
It's just this music is super loud or something.
I'm picturing like someone drops like an old telephone.
You know what I mean?
I picture that too.
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't know why.
Slow Motion Appreciation00:01:20
And then, like, slow motion, like a glass is dropped, and then the wine we see come up from it and the slow motion and the way that movement works for Isaac Newton.
We don't live in vacuums.
That we would die if we were in a vacuum.
All my nerds appreciated that one, I bet.
Yeah, yeah, they appreciate the pronunciation.
Although, yes, everyone should know that that's just because the movie exists and not because you were like the Tolkien nerd who's out at the oh, it is, yeah.
I think ultimately, that's because the movie exists.
I just think it's funny that they're like smog in the movie, anyway.
Smog, let him cook.
I love cancel culture.
Fuck the Democrats, they shouldn't be allowed to live.