Where There's Woke - Thomas Smith - WTW92: Transphobia Has Melted Bill Maher's Brain

Oct. 1, 2025 - Where There's Woke - Thomas Smith

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WTW92: Transphobia Has Melted Bill Maher's Brain

Bill Maher decided to bless us all with his sage advice on our country's fascism problem - why don't we all just stop doing the things that the fascists use as their excuse to do the fascism they already were going to do anyway? How did we not think of that??? Are we all the dumbest bunch of idiots?

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	What's so scary about the woke mob?
	How often you just don't see them coming.
	Anywhere you see diversity, equity, and inclusion, you see Marxism and you see woke principles being pushed.
	Wokeness is a virus more dangerous than any pandemic handstand.
	The woke monster is here and it's coming for everything.
	Everything.
	Instead of go-go boots, the seductress green MM will now wear sneakers.
	Hello and welcome to Where There's Woke.
	I'm Thomas Smith.
	That over there is my amazing wife, Lydia Smith.
	How are you doing?
	Hi.
	I'm doing pretty well.
	How are you?
	Uh good.
	You don't even you don't even know.
	I know.
	I have no idea except for who it involves.
	And that's about it.
	Yeah, I thought it was high time.
	This is something that could be every single episode of the show.
	Like we could.
	Oh, yeah, it'd just be the show.
	Yeah.
	Just focus.
	And given that our show is about debunking anti-woke, uh, you know, scare stories and all that kind of stuff.
	And you might think, like, oh, who would I be talking about?
	Well, for one, they probably already know from the title, but I'm not talking about Ben Shapiro.
	I'm not talking about Trump.
	I'm not talking talking about fucking Bill Maher.
	One of the most obnoxious goddamn anti-woke people in the world.
	And I thought it's high time I check in on Bill Maher.
	I hate to see what he's up to.
	Yeah, I absolutely hate it.
	Our TV wants to make us watch it all the time.
	Yeah.
	Uh just like no matter what I need.
	I need an option of things I hate in my TV.
	Like here, this is why the blacklist.
	Yeah.
	Like I technology is scary.
	AI is scary in certain ways.
	I could imagine such a good version of certain things, you know, like if we felt like making things good, you know.
	Like, give me give me AI for one thing that can make my phone at all type the things that I want to type.
	It just does it's so fu it's worse than ever.
	I've been doing this observation for 15 years, and it's true every single time, and it's worse every single time.
	I can't even, it's uh unbelievable.
	Voice to text is always terrible.
	Voice detects terrible.
	Here's what my thing does.
	For the text is not great either.
	It messes up a lot.
	There's an amazing glitch.
	Hey, Tim Apple, if you're listening, my phone does this.
	I don't know if it's just an iPhone thing or what, but when I'm typing something and then it decides it wants to auto-complete another word.
	So, like example, I'm saying, oh, I'm going to, as in you say, like, oh, are you gonna do something?
	I say, oh, I'm going to.
	But then maybe the autocomplete is like, I'm going to the store or something.
	And so I'll say, I'm going to.
	The autocomplete will suggest the because it's wanting to do another thing, but I don't want that.
	So I'm already hitting send.
	Like, I'm going to.
	And then what it'll send is I'm going to the what?
	Even though I never took it.
	Yeah.
	That's an Apple thing.
	I do not experience this.
	Have you noticed how many of my messages you get that have an extra stupid word on them that aren't anything?
	Yeah, but also I I know that you're dealing with a lot of texting nonsense too.
	So I figure every time it's so fucking stupid.
	Like it doesn't make any sense.
	Why would it default to like if you don't do anything, it's sent anyway.
	Uh what we're just showing.
	We're recording.
	Shit, this mic's on.
	Okay.
	Anyway, Bill Maher is the worst.
	Here's the thing.
	I have a lot on this.
	I don't know that I have like a clean two different parts, but I think it's gonna be a lot.
	So there might be a point where I'm just gonna be like, all right, and scene.
	And then calling it, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because I also have some interesting stuff.
	So Bill Maher on his stupid fucking dumb show with his dumb face that oh, that's how I got on that.
	I wish the AI could select, like I want to select things I hate.
	Yeah.
	And then have that apply again everywhere.
	Yeah, like I want the one if we're gonna get Skynet, have it be useful in one some way, you know, because I just want to be able to say, hey, I don't want to see Bill Maher's face ever.
	HBO, I'm never gonna watch a show.
	Now, the irony is I had to watch the show to do that.
	But that doesn't count.
	They didn't know that.
	They didn't have any idea.
	You have like one sanctioned work device that like you can access it on.
	Yeah, but but through imagine if you could do that like through the whole internet, like through everything, and it's like, yeah, I don't like this particular thing.
	Don't ever show me it.
	Or I do like this particular thing.
	That's what the algorithms try to do, but they're bad at it.
	And anyway.
	So Bill Maher has his new rules thing where he says, New rule, I'm an old fucking Gen Xer, I think, that complains about everything that's anti-woke, and I'm basically the same as Ben Shapiro and all the anti-woke people when It comes to almost everything that he talks about.
	Except religion.
	That's like the only thing.
	Yeah.
	It's like 90% of what he talks about.
	But then he still claims to kind of be a liberal and all that.
	And he's he is like fair enough, he's anti-Trump, I guess, although he did have that Trump visit.
	Oh my God.
	We talked about.
	Yeah.
	But I decided to check in with the new rules.
	And it's perfect because he wants to make a grand bargain.
	Are you ready for this?
	I am.
	The grand bargain is in order for the right, like if MAGA and Trump, they should stop their whole authoritarianism fascism thing, right?
	And then what's the what do you imagine the left's gonna do?
	Um we're just gonna stop being woke.
	All we're gonna stop doing all the things that Bill Maher already hates.
	Gosh, which is really cool for him because he's like, here's the deal, we'll make everybody do only things I like.
	Like that's the deal.
	Interesting.
	That's pretty cool.
	And in the process of that, we can talk about it because his examples I think are funny.
	We'll go through it.
	But there also was something that he brought up in the more culture wars area, and it's Bill Maher, it's anti-woke stuff, so you know it's gonna involve trans people.
	But there's an interesting thing I came across, which is a scientific American article from two years ago, and then there's like a Neil deGrasse Tyson appearance from like a year ago where he didn't bash it enough for Bill Mars.
	Then Bill Mar, like he's in Bill Ma's shit list forever.
	It's the other thing that's funny is Bill Maher forms all these like permanent grudges for this stuff when people aren't anti-woke enough.
	And then in doing that, I was looking at some stuff there.
	There's gonna be some really funny things that I want to play for you.
	And then also I went into the Scientific American article, and I actually I think I have a surprise debunk.
	And so I'm gonna give you a bit of a left debunk.
	You know, we're always debunking the anti-woke side, but there is a bit of a debunk in this Scientific American article that I'm excited to go through because I think it's interesting, and I also just think the main thing we support here is like truth and nuance and all that.
	Yeah.
	So I want to go all through all that.
	So we're gonna get some fun, awful Bill Maher stuff, and there's another thing.
	I can't wait.
	I can't wait for you to experience this.
	Bill Maher has an entire argument.
	I'm I'm teasing it now.
	I don't know when we'll get to this, but he has an entire argument with Neil Dugras Tyson in which he never knows what Neil Dugras Tyson is saying.
	Oh, geez.
	He has a whole like a whole argument where he just he's never talking about the thing.
	It's just talking past him the whole time.
	It's it's amazing.
	But imagine imagine talking past someone but yelling and scolding them while you don't know what they're saying.
	And they're Neil deGrasse Tyson, and like, yeah.
	So good.
	So well, that was a long intro, but that's what we're gonna do.
	I'm excited for it.
	Should be fun.
	So why don't we take our first break here?
	Please support the show, Patreon.com slash where there's woke.
	There's more attacks on you know, sanity than ever.
	Wokeism is practically defeated in when it comes to society and how people are viewing stuff and how and the mainstream media is complicit in all of it now, too.
	So yeah, and how the victors are, you know, writing the history or whatever.
	What do they say?
	History's written by the victors or whatever.
	Like it's kind of that is happening a lot.
	And so I think shows like ours that actually talk about the truth behind these things and expose the anti-woke lying constantly, uh, I think are important.
	So if you think so too, patreon.com slash where there's woke, and you get to skip the ads and get some bonus stuff.
	So I think we can start.
	We'll start with this.
	This this always happens where I start with one thing, branches off to a hundred other things.
	Because all these Thomas Smith research method.
	It's not just that.
	Yes, and you're right, but yes, it's ADHD.
	But what we found with all these things is that the anti-woke don't have like these discrete, distinct fun fact.
	Okay, this is ADHD, Thomas.
	I just learned or relearned for the tenth time because I keep forgetting that there's two forms of discrete, and they're spelled differently.
	Yeah, did you know this?
	Yes, I did.
	Who did I'm gonna do the Trump thing?
	Nobody knew this.
	Nobody knew this.
	I didn't know they were spelled different.
	I knew there were two different words, but I didn't know they were spelled differently.
	Oh, yeah, no, they're definitely spelled differently.
	Oh, yeah, tell me.
	No, now how they spell differently.
	D-I-S-C-R-E-E-T-D-I-S-C-R-E-T-E.
	Shut up.
	She edited that, so it worked.
	Yeah, okay.
	I'm bad at spelling, so I never knew that.
	I'm gonna tell you, I a hundred percent truly believe that you have learned this before, and then it just has not felt important to keep in control.
	That's why I can't spell because it's arbitrary.
	I remember spelling is arbitrary, yeah.
	It is.
	I'm sorry, you want to have this argument.
	Oh no, the way we spell words is handed down by God and follows rules that are always true.
	No, it's arbitrary.
	It's how things are spelled, is what people decided or what they language evolved to within.
	Literally the same word in UK English and our English are spelled different.
	Yeah.
	That's how what I mean by arbitrary.
	There's no okay.
	It thank you for clarifying because I thought you meant you could just put whatever letters you want.
	And no, no, no.
	Like what you mean is what you mean, and I have to figure that out.
	So no, that's Eli Bosick method.
	That's that's that's Eli Bosnik's firm position.
	I know there's a quote unquote right way, but that right way is not important to me because it's arbitrary.
	There's no reason why the E T E versus the E T, like there's no reason, like I know.
	I mean, I think there is a Latin.
	No, no, there's a causal reason, but I'm saying there's no it's not important.
	Like it doesn't, you know, like that isn't anything that matters in our lives.
	All right, linguists listening is like no, it doesn't fuck.
	Don't argue me with this.
	It does it doesn't I just I want them to chime in.
	I think it's interesting if you want to study that.
	But like rough being spelled that way versus if if we had just had alternate history in which it was spelled R U F F is anything different.
	Does it matter?
	It doesn't matter.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Anyway, point.
	Episode one.
	Just kidding.
	They don't have discrete.
	Yeah.
	End of part one.
	Turn over the tape.
	They don't have discrete.
	And by that, I apparently mean the ETE one.
	Yes, I think.
	Yeah, distinct, discrete ETE.
	Reasons and problems or policy pro issues or whatever with the woke.
	They have a scattershot web of 400 million lies.
	And so every time we try to do anything, debunk anything, we've talked about this.
	It inevitably spreads exponentially.
	Where you have to be like, wait a minute, did this person say this?
	Oh, did that wait?
	Did they do this?
	Did they cancel that?
	And then you you go so far afield because the anti-woke stories are most often so dumb, they have to like be this massive web of lies in order so that if they debunk any one of them, they don't care, you know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And so I just went on one of those for a bit, you know, off of this.
	And I but I think it's interesting.
	I think there's some good interesting stuff here.
	Let's hear Bill Maher's amazing point about how we should uh deal with the fascists.
	Hey, what if we just Bill Maher has the genius to ask, hey, have we considered appeasing the fascists?
	Have we considered capitulating to that?
	Has anyone ever tried capitulating to the fascists?
	Yeah, uh maybe about nine.
	Does anyone throughout every history?
	Have anyone ever thought of why not just capitulate to them?
	Let's uh let's hear his take here.
	And finally, new rule, as it's kind of late in the fourth quarter for America and we're behind by three touchdowns.
	Uh let's make one last stab at a grand bargain between the two sides that hate each other so much.
	America used to do this all the time, make bargains.
	Sure.
	And I've suggested many myself.
	Like you stop saying fetuses are the same as babies, and we'll stop saying trans women are the same as biological women.
	God.
	Wow.
	No way.
	It's amazing.
	That made me so mad.
	So literally immediately I just wanted to jump out of my chair.
	I love how he's doing we.
	Yeah.
	That's my favorite thing.
	Unbelievable.
	Here's the deal.
	Everyone believe what Bill Maher believes.
	That's the only like the audacity to be speaking for the left, right?
	Like, geez.
	Unbelievable.
	Exactly.
	You stop saying alternative facts, and we'll stop saying my truth.
	Who says my truth?
	I don't know.
	I mean, it was a thing you would make fun of the woke for saying, which you wouldn't call it woke back in 2014 or something.
	Yeah, you know.
	I have not heard that in so long.
	I mean, like, I guess people say like lived experience, right?
	Like that's kind of the phrase used now.
	Yeah, right there is instantly why this is such both sides e horseshit like one of them is them literally denying reality and saying, no, that's alter we have alternate facts.
	Like we uh we have that's not it's fake news, alternate facts.
	The other is like, yeah, for people when they're talking about usually like personal stuff or emotional stuff, people have different truths, and you can make fun of it, and it is kind of a punchline to say my truth.
	I'm speaking my truth, but it's the punchline that's not it wasn't like Barack Obama was famous for saying, like, my truth is you know, it's yeah, it's not like my my truth about the Holocaust, like that's not what people say.
	Yeah, it's like in a in an argument, maybe, or when you're talking about expressing your feelings or whatever.
	Your perspective of a situation or whatever you say, like, well, my this is my truth.
	Like, and yeah, that it's just it's something he finds annoying.
	Yeah, and so that's and fundamentally he's he's setting up an explicit both sides.
	Like I wouldn't even think he would argue with that.
	Like he's saying, no, no, both sides suck.
	Here, let me pick out these equivalent things.
	Yeah.
	One was that a fetus is a baby, which involves taking away women's rights, taking away reproductive rights, is not scientific, any of that.
	And the other is just saying, yeah, trans women are women.
	It's fine.
	Tall women are women, you know, short women are women, trans women are women.
	And also based in science.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it's and it's also like not exactly science when it comes to like societally, like that it's oh, yeah.
	It's about gender, which isn't necessarily a question of science, it's just a question of culture and a question of meaning that we give to stuff.
	And absolutely.
	So it's like it's already not, even if you wanted to have a problem with with that or with with trans athletes or something, it's like it's are these aren't equivalent things at all.
	Yeah, who are people laughing?
	Yeah.
	You stop saying thoughts and prayers, and we'll stop with the land acknowledgement.
	Look at this.
	Oh, hold on.
	Let's get the let's get the audience.
	How in the like okay, I can kind of see how he's like set up these these things for, you know, the first example, the second example, they're at least like related-ish.
	So like I could kind of see, at least from you know, if I'm putting on a Bill Maher hat or whatever, and like figuring out this perspective, like kind of tying those two things together for his first example, the second example.
	This has nothing to do with each other at all.
	So I don't even really understand.
	Like, like, did was he running out of things to say?
	He's really struggling with this construction.
	Yeah.
	Like, okay, but let's I just love I just love the pure evil that is this comparison.
	Yeah.
	Thoughts and prayers is when a bunch of children are murdered.
	Yeah, instead of fucking doing something about it, the evil, murderous deaf cult of guns of the right is like, well, thoughts and prayers about it.
	That's all we can do.
	It's all we can offer.
	It's hard too because I'm trying to like parse his stupid comparison.
	He doesn't mean like when we say thoughts and prayers, like is a mocking thing.
	He means like when they offer thoughts and prayers instead of gun control.
	That's the only way that it's a thing that the right does that you know that that's a thing.
	The other side is land acknowledgments.
	So literally just saying this institution stands on land that was cared for by whichever tribe and stuff.
	Like, come on.
	I have like a theory, but I think it's actually giving him too much credit.
	I think I because my theory would be, oh, okay, are you saying, and and this would be actually almost like a far left thing, which is why I know it's not what he's doing.
	You could almost make a valid argument about this if you're saying, hey, the right has a thing they say that doesn't fix a bad problem, and the left has a thing we say where we just say, Oh, sorry about stealing your land, but we didn't actually do anything.
	You're right.
	That's giving him a lot of things.
	There's no fucking way that that's what he's saying.
	Because that that would be interesting if you're like, oh yeah, we say these land acknowledgements, but what are we actually doing?
	Are we even helping, you know, uh indigenous people?
	Yeah, or is it just empty words?
	I don't I mean, maybe he's going for that, but I don't think so.
	Cause he I don't know that he gives a shit about that.
	It's not an issue he talks about or cares about.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I was gonna say, like, unless maybe he's talked about it on episodes that we have not watched or something, like maybe he is on the side of that, but like I do not have that connection in my mind at all.
	So I I would be surprised if that's where he's coming from.
	I know the thing he's saying when he says the land acknowledgments.
	What he's saying is that's stupid and we just shouldn't do it.
	Like that's what I know he believes because that's all he talks about is this exact kind of thing and why things people on the left say are hollow and stupid and pointless, and we shouldn't do it.
	That's basically his call.
	Virtue signaling, right?
	Yeah, reason for being.
	Yeah.
	But one is like enabling child death, and the other is like, oh, I don't want to have to hear someone say a land acknowledgement.
	You know, it's like for 15 seconds.
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	It's absolutely crazy.
	Land acknowledgments are interesting.
	We could talk about them.
	I'm amazed.
	I know we have many listeners from everywhere.
	Canada seems to have like really, I don't know what the proper phrase would be, but they do serious land acknowledgement stuff, you know, like because it'll be in the hockey games.
	It'll be like before every playoff game that's at a certain and maybe it's only certain areas of Canada.
	I'm purely speaking, this isn't something I researched for the show.
	So everybody don't hold me to anything.
	But I when I watch hockey games in Canada and playoffs, you know, when they're in the playoffs, no, Canadian hockey games, like at certain Canadian arenas, like there's like long land acknowledgements, and it's interesting.
	I don't know, I just find it interesting.
	Well, I I think they have not that our country doesn't also have a dark history with how we treated indigenous people, but I think Canada has they are trying to reckon with that.
	Some of those big stories That came out in the news, right?
	Where they were finding like the ways that like indigenous folks in in Canada were like horribly mistreated as recently as like the 70s and stuff with regard to like education and sterilization and all those things.
	So yeah, I think that they've just decided that they need to reckon with it.
	Couple thoughts.
	For one, I am surprised these still exist, and I worry, I worry.
	I hope Canada's doing better than I've been a little distracted with us, so I haven't kept up.
	But like this feels like one of those things that in the great rewrite of history that we're doing right now where all the woke stuff was a mistake and stupid.
	It feels like these are like on the chopping block any moment.
	But that's just my feeling being an American.
	Hopefully, maybe Canada feels you know, I don't know what's going on.
	I don't know the the mindset there, you know, in terms of this.
	But like if these were American, if the NHL had been doing American land acknowledgement statements, it would be gone this year.
	Like there's just because of the atmosphere we're in, where anything remotely woke is like, boy, what a dumb bullshit we were doing.
	But it's also funny because I am somebody who doesn't like or care for meaningless words without action.
	And so I don't know, like I don't know.
	I I would also be interested in how much like the tribes of each area that's actually the one he shows, let's see, the Bay Miwok people, the Ohlone people, like I don't maybe those tribe like this might be meaningful to them.
	They might have traditions or views about land that make a land acknowledgement about this meaningful to them, and that's if they do that's great.
	I just had a quick thought now, which is on one hand, this is the perfect white America thing to be mad about because it's a thing that happens at a time that you're probably not expecting it that's feels like this great infringement on your time as a white American, you know?
	Yeah.
	And then I was thinking, like, yeah, but you know what they do right after that is the stupid fucking national anthem.
	Yeah.
	Everywhere.
	And look if someone wants to be consistent and be like, yeah, get rid of both of those, okay.
	I'll go for that, actually.
	Yeah.
	But if you're like, oh, get past this land acknowledgement so we can sing our little worship song about the flags.
	North Korea worship off.
	Yeah.
	It's just goes to show people's blind spots.
	And I think so much of the anti-woke backlash is people have these blind spots and they very much don't want to be told that they do or have it pointed out that they do.
	But the kind of thinking I would rather do is being more considerate, you know, and like wondering if oh, maybe I have, you know, like I say, like I I would find land acknowledgements weird just because I would worry that it's like papering over something is all.
	Like, I would does that actually, but I don't know.
	That's just an inclination.
	And I would be open to, and I imagine, by the way, here's another thing that anti-wokesm relies upon.
	I imagine some people somewhere have put some thought into that.
	Bill Maher's entire existence is nope, everyone's an idiot, and anything they thought was dumb, and I can come in here for anything and just my first initial gut reaction is smarter than whoever thought of this.
	That's what his entire fucking shtick is.
	Everyone is an idiot except Bill Maher all the time.
	And maybe sometimes he's right, like it's certain things.
	He's right when he's making fun of Trump, you know, it's like, oh, that's gonna, but like he'll turn that on anything, and it just shows how hollow it is when he turns it on something that actually has some thought to it.
	Yeah.
	Because it just shows like if that's what your mind is doing, if that's how you are thinking about things, you're not doing a good job thinking.
	So you shouldn't be somebody people listen to.
	Yeah.
	Oh, they're clapping for me.
	You admit there's no such thing as voter fraud, and we'll admit that getting a picture ID isn't really that fucking hard to do.
	All right.
	Stuff like that.
	Yeah.
	So stupid.
	Just I don't have much to say on that other than just like it's so stupid.
	Like these are things that have been debated about over and over and over again.
	And there are barriers to that for a lot of people.
	Those are just not equivalent things.
	This is two ways of democracy not happening.
	Yeah.
	You stop this attack on democracy and we'll let you do a different attack on democracy is what this deal was.
	We'll reinstate all of the voting barriers and stuff of the South.
	Like, let's do it.
	Let's just let's get back to it, because then we could protect our elections.
	I guess I would ask, okay, Bill Maher, why do you think the right is so intent on voter ID laws?
	And why do you think people on the left have resisted it?
	Yeah.
	Do you think that they just decided arbitrarily, like spelling to have that position?
	Like, yeah, no, we did they said they want it, so we said we all want it.
	Or is the reason the right pushes for those, and the reason the left resists it is that they know that there's a percentage effect, a pretty significant percentage effect, but even if it's small, there's a percentage effect that that restricts voting and makes it harder for people.
	And it's particular demographics.
	Particular people, yeah, exactly.
	Right, Yeah.
	Particular people.
	And there's no benefit.
	Because voter fraud is not a thing.
	Doesn't it?
	In fact, it's funny that like the first thing where it's like voter fraud isn't a problem.
	If they're gonna admit that, then that completely negates the idea that you would need these stupid fucking things.
	Yeah, because voter fraud's not a problem.
	Yeah.
	And so yeah, it's just once again, false equivalents, but okay.
	But this is where someone wooed that.
	Yeah, they all they all do.
	Jeez.
	I mean, uh not for nothing.
	I can't imagine the empty hollow existence of getting up in front of a crowd and saying the same three talking points about trans people and other bullshit, anti-woke bullshit, and getting these like haphazard applause.
	Sometimes they forget for a while.
	Yeah.
	And then for three seconds, oh, we're supposed to laugh, ha ha ha, the woke or dumb.
	So awkward.
	Yeah.
	Ah, what a boring existence.
	I guess.
	That's why no one ever cheers for anything I say, and I never hear it.
	Yeah, or if they do, we literally never hear it.
	Yeah.
	But here's where this is what spawned a bit more research and just looking back into stuff.
	But as it is so late in the game, let's just go right to the granddaddy of bargains now.
	The left will seriously quash all their loony woke shit.
	And the right will stop the slide into autocracy.
	That's really the only card left to play.
	What?
	Oh, by the way, just went to uh the guests of this show.
	Um tell me.
	Nancy Mace is one of the oh wow.
	Yeah.
	Nancy Mays.
	Nancy Mace.
	Wow.
	Incredible.
	Cool, cool.
	I wonder what she said.
	I almost watched it and I was like, nah, yeah.
	No, not worth it.
	Yeah.
	Please don't become Nazis.
	And in exchange, we will uh it's dumber than that.
	Like, yeah.
	Here's why it's dumber than that.
	And then I know this is at risk of Bill Marring myself and repeating something I say a lot.
	The process is exactly backwards.
	What fascists and religious nuts and white Christian nationalists and racists and billionaires have done is say, hey, you know what would be a good way to get our agenda to happen is to distract people with endless fucking made-up horseshit about this other side that we've demonized and about trans people who demonized immigrants we've demonize.
	So let's just focus massive propaganda networks that are funded by billionaires into nothing but that.
	And Bill Maher, an idiot, took that bait and is like, hey, okay, here's the deal we'll make.
	We'll stop doing the things that you're saying we're doing in order to do fascism, and you stop doing fascism.
	Deal.
	Yeah.
	Like, no, I got news for you.
	No deal.
	They're not gonna do that deal.
	It isn't a genuine response to a thing that's happening.
	It's the thing they want is fascism.
	Right.
	The way they are achieving it is making up these stories all the time.
	And you're too stupid to realize that.
	Yeah.
	No, that's a great point.
	I mean, like, ultimately, what it boils down to is needing to sew division across a large group of people.
	Anyone who's seen a bug's life knows, right?
	This is the classic ant versus.
	It's your go-to.
	You do go to a bug slice.
	I do go to bugs like that.
	Honestly, listen, I saw a tweet or something where someone was like, a lot of you haven't seen a bug's life, and it shows.
	That's fair.
	You sow division across the general populace from these people who are in power, and then Bill Mark comes in and says, Let's stop being divided by giving the people in power what they want.
	That's 100% what it is.
	You're 100% right.
	And that's been their plan all along.
	It's just so funny to take that as the it's like if you told Hitler, like, all right, you stop doing a Holocaust, and we'll admit that sometimes the international Jew is a little, you know, conspiratorial.
	It's like, no, you don't.
	What the fuck are you talking about?
	Both those things are the same thing.
	They want both those things.
	It's not a deal that we they would make.
	Like, I don't, how could you be so fucking dumb?
	Yeah.
	I guess it's it's what we've been fighting.
	It's what makes these anti-woke stories so easy for these fucking idiots to swallow is it just plays into all their biases.
	And especially people like this.
	It's a it's amazing, like, not exactly like the who goes Nazi, but in kind of a way like who goes anti-woke would be an interesting article to write.
	Actually, I wonder if anyone's done that.
	Because it's specifically this personality.
	Like I've talked about it so many times.
	It's people who cannot be wrong.
	Like Bill Maher is never wrong ever in his life.
	He's got a huge chip on his shoulder.
	He's white.
	That's a big part of it.
	White male privilege.
	And so it's just inevitable that like anything that other people are saying who might be people of color, who might be people who want him to like maybe stop and think for a sec, is going to look like an insane stupid thing to him.
	And he just has this anger.
	He's so mad about it.
	And let it this is another reason I wanted to do this, is we haven't gotten to it yet.
	But just looking at like the way he's borne these grudges about here, I'll keep keep going and we'll get to what I was gonna talk about.
	But it's just so it's so sad and funny and it's a lot of very sad, but also like pathetic and funny and bross.
	Anyway, here we go.
	Because the basic problem we have in America is conservatives think the liberals are insane, and they're not completely wrong.
	Now, I don't think most liberals are insane, but neither do they make it clear they disapprove of the ones who are, and their cowardice in not marginalizing their own crazies has been their downfall.
	I couldn't get Neil deGrasse Tyson a genius scientist and preeminent scientific voice in the media to agree that it was ridiculous for scientific American and the Atlantic to be claiming that separating sports by sex doesn't make sense.
	Yes, it does.
	Actually, it makes perfect sense.
	And it's obvious that it does.
	Nancy Mace, happy and clapping.
	Of course.
	Live your life in such a way that nothing you say ever makes Nancy Mace happily clap at you.
	Like literally.
	I if that ever happened to me, I'd be like, fuck, what what did I say?
	What it wasn't, did I ask?
	What did I do?
	What how did I make accidentally make that happen?
	How did I make her happy?
	Yeah, did I it's something on my face?
	It's something what's I just have to call it like how pompous that is.
	Yeah, like I couldn't get Neil deGrasse Tyson to an incredibly intelligent person to understand this basic fact.
	Like I couldn't even I couldn't get a shut up, Bill Mahr.
	Then maybe you're wrong.
	Then maybe you should reevaluate your stance on that.
	Come on.
	It's so dumb.
	He is a supreme narcissist.
	It's so dumb on so many different levels.
	I I just love it.
	I want to let I just want to hear it again.
	Because we're gonna trace back so naturally, I was like, what is this?
	I I've tracing back how this happened.
	It's so funny and it's such a window into the sad psychology of Bill Maher because it's even worse than you would think.
	So let's just get this claim right here.
	I couldn't get Neil deGrasse Tyson, a genius scientist and preeminent scientific voice in the media to agree that it was ridiculous for a scientific American.
	So first off, is he like a liberal politician or anybody?
	You know, like it's oh yeah, crafting policy exactly.
	Yeah.
	If someone was like, name your top 100 public, like liberal intellectual or what left, whatever, Neil deGrasse Tyson would not come up.
	No, because you don't think of him in that space.
	No, yeah.
	I don't even think of him politically.
	I think he's been pretty cool on some issues.
	And I gotta say, Bill Maher is such a piece of shit that I've not a huge fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson because there's some allegations against him.
	Yeah.
	And I guess now that history is rewritten such that me too was a mistake or something, like maybe everybody's just cool with it or whatever.
	God, that's depressing.
	Yeah, I know.
	I it kind of didn't really do anything.
	So ever since then, not a fan.
	I'm not a fan.
	I also like, I wasn't really a fan of kind of how he talks about science.
	It just kind of annoyed me.
	But I am a fan of astrophysics, and I did listen to his podcast back in the day, like 2009.
	Star Talk.
	Yeah, because I just love science and and he's got plenty of interesting things to say.
	I loved Cosmos.
	Yeah, I liked Cosmos, but I didn't like the Neil deGrasse Tyson of it all.
	But whatever.
	Point is I'm not a huge fan.
	This made me like, oh my God, do I do I like him again?
	Because like that's how bad Bill Maher was in this.
	And Neil deGrasse Tyson like stands up for trans people pretty well.
	It's incredible.
	Isn't that also like such a weird gotcha, too?
	It's like asking someone who like this this guy who studies astrophysics to tell me, you know, things about biology and like this podcaster about space to say a thing about sports and gender.
	Yeah, it's very I it's strange.
	It was kind of like that attempted agacha for Katanji Brown Jackson, right?
	Like, can you tell me what a woman is?
	And she's like, Well, I'm not, you know, no, That's not that's not my area of expertise.
	I'm not here to define that, etc.
	etc.
	It feels like that almost.
	Yeah.
	Now I could go through the rest of what he says, but we've we've heard it so many times.
	It's the same anti-trans bullshit.
	Oh, they're making kids be trans without any whatever.
	That's just nonsense.
	It's the same fucking shit over and over.
	I can't imagine wanting to talk about this so much.
	You know, like if they would just fucking stop attacking trans people, I would never talk about this again.
	Yeah.
	Like, why would we go through the same bullshit?
	Like, imagine being so simple-minded that you're constantly like, no, the penis, the giant, two different rooms.
	They got two different like your whole life is dedicated to that.
	You know, it's like so boring to just be constantly on that all the time.
	Yeah, it's like such like you're stuck in fifth grade sex ed, basically.
	I know.
	And it's like there'll be congressional hearings where they're like, first question for you does the pee-pee and the vagina, which is the girl and which is the boy.
	You're like, how did we get to this?
	Like, what are you talking about?
	And it's just constant.
	It's constant.
	Like the national anthem.
	It's the national anthem.
	And debating whether or not.
	Yeah.
	But I had to track this down.
	I was like, what is he talking about?
	Interestingly enough, I found two things.
	I found the one that I think he actually was referring to, but that was second.
	So the first thing I found was on his dumbass Club Random podcast.
	Oh, God.
	I'm surprised we haven't covered anything from Club Random, I don't think ever.
	Well, I I probably will.
	I mean, so annoyed all the time by him.
	We're doing it in one, it's like a uh vaccine.
	We're getting we're getting all our Bill Maher out of the way and false.
	Antibodies and hopefully hopefully none of the Bill Maher attacks us throughout the year.
	Like we don't have to, we don't need to get any violent Bill Maher fits throughout the year.
	Yeah.
	This interviewer we're gonna watch is the most awkward fucking interview ever.
	Oh boy.
	That's the one he's actually talking about.
	It's from November 2024, so somewhat recently, and it's on his actual show.
	And it's the most I we're not gonna go through the whole thing, thank God, but it is the most awkward interview to the point where I'm like, I think they might hate each other but not know it, you know, like they're so awkward, and they're just like arguing and bickering at every little thing.
	Yeah, and the club random one happened a year prior to this.
	So I don't know if it's just like I don't know if Bill Maher just has it like permanent grudge against him for like that or something, and it's just constantly but we actually do need to go through this because I it does paint a picture of how sad and pathetic the anti-trans life is because so Neil seems to be on the show.
	I haven't kept up with Neil, but he seems to have a book out, and it's probably a science book, it's probably fine.
	I think he's and I will say, I think Neil deGrasse Dyson has been, I think, a good defender of trans rights from what I've seen.
	And if I'm if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but like I've seen in numerous places.
	This is why I give Neil actually quite a bit of credit.
	There have been plenty of other people who sort of defended trans people until like two years ago or a year ago when the election happened, who then stopped.
	And I feel like Neil has kept going, and I appreciate that.
	Like I that's more value at a time when things are so shitty.
	I actually I actually do have a feeling of like, let's give people give people a little little little thumbs up, a little recognition for not being pieces of shit.
	I know it's a low bar, but like holy shit, when everybody's under the bar, maybe I guess definitionally it's not a low bar anymore.
	Like it like maybe we need to recognize like thank you, Neil, for sticking to your guns as of November 22nd, 2024.
	I don't know if I've seen anything after, but I think he's been pretty consistent on it.
	I think he maybe has trans people in his life or something because it comes across pretty genuine, consistent, heartfelt.
	I just want to say I appreciate it, Neil.
	I know I'm not not a huge fan of you, but I do appreciate this.
	So he has Neil on to talk about his science ebook, and I'm gonna try to play as little as possible, but I just I just want I just I just want you guys to hear this transition and just like how fucking stupid this is.
	So he's talking about a science book.
	And these they have like a bunch of awkward interactions about this where it's like I I don't know, watch it if you want, but it's like it's super awkward.
	And I I get the sense that it's like for one, Bill Maher's a piece of shit, but also Neil doesn't really know how to handle what's happening because I don't think he picks up on everything that Bill Maher is kind of saying in a way.
	Barely any point in bringing it up, except that it seems to be this dynamic where they don't understand each other, but Neil is like a pretty like nice guy, just in general in demeanor.
	And so when he doesn't understand what's going on, he's just kind of confused and he tries to like soldier on kind of, but Bill Maher, when he doesn't understand, just yells at people.
	Yeah.
	And so it's like he's just gets so mad, just yells.
	But anyway, okay, forget all that because right now he's explaining his book.
	Don't know anything about it, but it sounds like a science book, sounds delightful.
	Whatever.
	There's poetry, there's there's uh other sort of turns of phrase, there are interviews with historical figures.
	I Dear Merlin, I don't quite understand gravity.
	And Merlin remembers a conversation with Isaac Newton.
	That's what's in the book.
	So I I was celebrating basically a life of bringing the universe down to earth.
	And I wanted that to also be there available in the 21st century.
	But I was saying my brother illustrated it.
	Yeah.
	He's an artist.
	Yeah.
	And when you write a book like this and it's somewhat for children, children are not.
	No, it's not what can I just finish my sentence?
	No, if it's not if you're wrong, it's a bunch of this.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I gotta skip through this because it could be right off.
	Yeah, it's just a bunch of weird crap like that.
	So I want to do is be a force operating on adult curiosity, which is what's something we lost decades ago.
	And also on this subject, all children don't know shit, and I don't know shit.
	So like for me sound like that.
	When I got the feeling when I got the feeling I was reading something that uh, you know, a 10-year-old would I was like, oh good.
	This will be perfect for me to try to understand this.
	You got it.
	Anyway, you got it.
	But let's ask, let's just talk about where children are with science, because I found this very disturbing.
	Oh, interesting transition.
	I'm gonna tell you.
	Scientific and America, Scientific America.
	How's that for a transition?
	Okay, so they're talking with it.
	They have a really awkward uh conversation about his book and it's combative in weird ways, but also whatever.
	I guess it's fine.
	And then he's like, let's talk about the children and science is that transition.
	Let's just talk about where children are with science, because I found this very disturbing this week.
	I'm gonna tell you.
	Scientific and America Scientific America.
	Uh-huh.
	The magazine.
	I remember when it was around when I was grew up with it.
	Yeah, grew up with it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, their editor had to quit.
	You saw this.
	Yeah, I I I heard about it because she uh expressed some opinions, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Sure, but it sure didn't sound scientific.
	It didn't sound like the person I would want to be running Scientific American.
	Okay.
	It was a rant on Twitter.
	Okay.
	Okay, I could read it to you.
	It's it's really ugly.
	Here's what's funny.
	And this is again, this is so fucking artificial.
	And we haven't even gotten through to how he's trying to fucking bring this up and bring this back to his hobby horse.
	But he says, okay, the ch the kids with science, scientific American.
	It's like this word associated.
	Yeah.
	Kids, science, scientific American.
	Here we go.
	Editor quit or she resigned or whatever.
	And it seems like Neil knows the story because he seems to say, Oh, yeah, for expressing opinions on Twitter.
	And this is so fascinating because right away, I think that is Neil saying, Oh yeah, you know how you're always against canceling.
	She had to resign because of opinions on Twitter.
	Yeah.
	And then Bill bristles, of course, and is like, well, they're not very scientific.
	Okay.
	All right.
	This isn't the point of the story, but I do want, since you pulled up the bleeds or whatever.
	Yeah.
	Tell me what you think about these.
	Um, there's a several that she posted, kind of uh quick order.
	Election night when all of us were feeling a certain type of way.
	Yeah.
	Every four years, I remember why I left Indiana where I grew up, and remember why I respect the people who stayed and are trying to make it less racist and sexist.
	The moral arc of the universe isn't going to bend itself.
	That's the first one.
	After that, solidarity to everybody whose meanest, dumbest, most bigoted high school classmates are celebrating early results because fuck them to the moon and back.
	And then the next one after that, I apologize to younger voters that my gen X is so full of fucking fascists.
	Yeah.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	Those are the ones that I can find right here.
	And there may be more, but these were the three that you know, right wing Twitter was calling out.
	Yeah.
	And saying science is not politics, is what one of the right wing folks on Twitter said when they showed the screenshot of this.
	Oh, that's weird, because it sure is.
	What are you talking about?
	I'm not sure.
	80% of your political uh fucking talk is well, the left doesn't know the science of gender.
	You know, it's like, yeah.
	So this isn't what I wanted to get into, but I love that there's not even a thought that Bill Maher would be consistent and not care about the cancellation.
	Well, we're gonna find out how he zigs on this.
	But let's suffice to say, I love that a totally normal, reasonable reaction to the US electing a fucking fascist after everything we've gone through, electing a fascist, electing the same idiot fascist in 2024, having a totally reasonable reaction to that.
	Exactly.
	And also it's not like it was the Scientific American Blue Sky account that she's you know, posting this on.
	It was her personal account where she has feelings on a night where a lot of people had a lot of feelings.
	So frustrating to me that that happened.
	But as you said, beside the point.
	I was just thinking, like, I would think, just in my personal bias, I would distrust any scientist who wasn't extremely upset about Trump being elected.
	Yeah.
	Not for nothing.
	Like all the science funding that has been cut.
	Like you wouldn't be a good scientist if you were like okay with Trump being elected a second time.
	Like it's totally reasonable.
	Damn near scientific to have that reaction because fuck these things.
	I mean, health and human services.
	What's happened there?
	Like where we're at with Acetamenophon, and I can say it, unlike other people.
	And then he's like, is that okay?
	Yeah.
	Who was that for?
	See him?
	So funny.
	So stupid.
	I'm banning a thing I can't fucking pronounce.
	Anyway, get this for a very organic transition.
	Bill Maher said, okay, your book, science, science book, kids, kids, science.
	Hey, here's the state of science and kids.
	Scientific American editor got fired or resigned.
	I forget what she said, but she resigned.
	Resigned, yeah.
	Well, their editor had to quit.
	You saw this.
	Yeah, I I I heard about it because she uh expressed some opinions.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Sure, but it didn't sound scientific.
	It didn't sound like the part of the thing.
	Okay.
	It was a rant on Twitter.
	Okay.
	I could read it.
	Now it wasn't on Twitter, right?
	No, it was on Blue Sky.
	Now, how do you think we're gonna get from here to where we end up?
	Any guesses?
	You don't know.
	Any idea?
	No.
	Okay, so all I can think of is like he was so intent from the beginning of that interview to say like this book for children, and then Neil deGrasse Tyson was like, Well, it's for adults too.
	Don't just say it's just for kids or whatever.
	But it was so clear he just wanted to be able to talk about kids and science, and like that was his goal.
	Well, I would say yes, except that this doesn't relate to kids in science, really.
	So it like it feels this like this is just Scientific American.
	The editor resigned for so that doesn't involve you know what I mean?
	So I don't even know.
	Then I have no idea.
	So let's find out.
	So what he has said is it's unscientific, though, these rants on blue sky.
	To you, it's it's really ugly.
	You know, uh, I apologize to younger voters that my gen X is so full of fucking fascists, right on.
	I would I don't I'm not okay.
	I'm not gasket right now.
	I'm not for I'm not for canceling anybody on either side.
	Yeah, sure.
	But here's the point.
	Here's what I think is the scandal.
	This is in scientific American.
	Yeah.
	Not for canceling it, but here's what I think is the scandal.
	Now, what the fuck is he gonna say?
	Less than a year ago.
	Less than a year ago.
	Inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes, but of biases in how they are treated in sports.
	All right.
	That's nuts.
	That's not nuts.
	What's nuts is fucking the convoluted MC Esher fucking way that he's getting to this.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Where he I don't even know if people remember why we're even here.
	I'm gonna remind you in a minute.
	So the information that Neil has right now from Bill is hey, this Scientific American editor resigned.
	Here's what it's for.
	It's these opinions on Blue Sky.
	He says Twitter, but on Blue Sky that were rants about the fucking fascists, which I don't think Neil's like a super lefty, but I don't think he's a fan of the fascists.
	There's a sense, especially when he laughs.
	Like that's kind of him being like, oh, you know.
	That's kind of funny.
	Yeah, kind of reasonable.
	And then Bill Maher is like, okay, but here's what I think is the real scandal.
	And then he quotes an article from a year roughly a year ago.
	What is Neil, what is he supposed to say to this?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What are you talking about?
	Bill Maher trying to get out of this conversation.
	Like, like I think about that a lot when people start doing like nonsensical questioning and stuff, and it's like, okay, you just want to be able to rant, but what are you expecting from this other person?
	Otherwise, excuse them from the stage and just do your rant.
	Or now that we know I've kind of tipped people off, but now that we know there was this other conversation from a year prior where Neil defended trans rights a little bit to Bill.
	I think Bill knows he has this position.
	So Bill Maher wants to constantly like find it's like when you have a disagreement with someone uh and you're like constantly finding ways to bring it up.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, randomly texting an article or something like eight months later.
	You know, and when uh yeah, and I relate to that when it comes to like you know, Trump or family or something else.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Was just perusing and saw that, but he's done it in such a fucking weird way.
	What is what is Neil supposed to say right now?
	Let's let's see what he's how he handles it.
	But here's the pr here's what I think is the scandal.
	This is in Scientific American.
	Yeah.
	Less than a year ago.
	Inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes, but of biases in how they are treated in sports.
	Is that from my book?
	That's nuts.
	Exactly.
	And it sure ain't scientific, and it's in Scientific American.
	Okay.
	And that's why the Democrats lost the election.
	It's true.
	And Neil laughing.
	Oh my God.
	Genuinely burst out.
	Bill, every 20 minutes on your platform, you come up with another reason why the Democrats lost.
	You already have the answer.
	They lost the election.
	So anything you say, that's why they did it.
	First of all, you don't watch this show, so you don't know.
	It's okay.
	But you talk as if you do it.
	That's the one thing people can't ever do on your show is bullshit.
	He's absolutely deadly serious.
	But I don't say that.
	I have very good reasons.
	But address engage with the idea here.
	What I'm asking is that you're talking about it.
	Sorry, engage with fucking what?
	What are you talking about?
	First off, I can fucking tell that he's genuinely mad at Neil deGrasse Dyson for not watching his show.
	It would have been a funny joke if he just left it at the first line and be like, oh, okay, but like he really is like, you you pretend you do, but you don't.
	Yeah.
	Jesus Christ.
	You can't ever do a show.
	Here we go.
	And that's fine.
	But I don't say that.
	I have very good reasons.
	But address engage with the idea here.
	What I'm asking is Scientific American is saying basically that the reason why an NBA WNBT team can't beat the Lakers is because of societal bias.
	What you're saying is not Scientific American says that.
	An editor for Scientific Americans says that who no longer has the job.
	So don't indict 170-year-old magazine because somebody okay.
	This is called Scientific American.
	Someone enters the cesspool that is social media and then participates in that exchange.
	This is so off the rails.
	I don't blame Neil because Bill's insane.
	Yeah.
	Neil is making logical inferences that are actually wrong because Neil is assuming that Bill's not insane, but Bill is insane.
	He's like, oh, okay, well, this must have some connection to the first thing he said.
	Exactly.
	It has no connection.
	She didn't write the article.
	She was editor during the time it came out, I guess.
	But like he's assuming, well, since Bill's bringing this up, maybe she tweeted that or something, or may because like he's just apropos of me.
	She's not an author.
	My question would be that is being written because there has been research done around that exact idea.
	Probably that exact question.
	And so my question would be then, if I heard that, I wouldn't say that's nuts.
	I would say, let me check out that initial research that was done that prompted Scientific American to say, hey, we should write an article about this because there's some interesting work happening in this area.
	Yeah.
	And we're gonna look at the article, and it's interesting.
	But like, what the fuck are we doing here, Bill?
	What are we doing here?
	Because he is head on Neil Dreyson to talk about his book about fucking Merlin having conversations.
	It's probably fine.
	Whatever, it's a fine science book.
	I don't know anything about it.
	And then he's like, okay, here's the state of science with kids.
	Scientific American deserter quit for some political, like anti-Trump stuff.
	And then now here's the real scandal, which by the way, has nothing to do with why she quit.
	I mean, other than so off the rails.
	I actually think it does have to do in that I think when she made these blue sky posts, I think obviously conservatives were already, you know, MAGA is already pissed at anyone like this and her and probably dug up the stuff and probably you know they do that post hoc rationalization of why she should be can't it's not really a canceling because actually here we found the stuff that means she should have been canceled.
	That's what they do.
	They're anti-cancellation unless it's somebody that they think should be canceled, and then they're fine.
	Yep.
	But it has nothing to do with the story.
	How would you expect your guest, Neil deGrasse Dyson, to follow what the fuck is happening here?
	Yeah.
	What you're saying is not Scientific American says that.
	An editor for Scientific American says no longer has the job.
	So don't indict 170-year-old magazine because somebody, okay, this is called Scientific American.
	And they're printing something because someone enters the And he has just selected one quote from an article.
	Yeah.
	That Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn't know.
	There's no reason he would have that memorized from a year ago, and is like, defend this person who's in a different area of science.
	Like what what kind of fucking lunacy is this?
	Like what how deranged Do you have to be to make this your interview on your show?
	S pool that is social media and then participates in that exchange.
	So why can't you just talk about science?
	Why can't you just say this is not scientific and scientific of your own?
	Because he doesn't think you're talking about.
	He can't say that because he hasn't looked at the research because you're springing a random thing on him from a completely different field for something.
	That's crazy.
	Any scientist, even people who are in fields where this might be more relevant, would be like, I'd need to review the research that that's based off of.
	You know, like they would want to look at primary sources.
	Maybe read the at least more than one sentence of a quite long article.
	At least, yeah, the news article itself, if not again, looking at those primary sources.
	We know that scientists, when they're doing their job and stuff, like they they are careful.
	They are methodical, they are thoughtful about the kinds of things that they give credence to or not.
	It's always going to be nuanced.
	It's always going to be complicated.
	It's always going to be speaking about a particular sliver of the population or or the environment in this particular way.
	So I think it's it's such a disingenuous thing from Bill Maher that's obviously, as you pointed out, just born out of his grudge that he has against Neil deGrasse Tyson trying to find trans people.
	And against the left.
	Well, no, but uh specifically note about Neil deGrasse Tyson and the issue that they had at the Club Random podcast.
	Like it's just he's throwing nonsense at him because he wants to get him.
	Yeah.
	There's no sense of a real conversation happening.
	Yeah.
	So here's the reason that fundamentally Bill Mark can't do this is because he can't have an actual conversation about this issue because in his mind, and this is him with most things, but definitely this.
	In his mind, the other side is so fucking stupid that no one could possibly believe it.
	So in Bill Maher's mind, there's no one who could believe anything like the idea that maybe differences between men and women in sports like aren't what we think they are.
	And the straw man example that he gives to there is so ridiculous.
	To put it mildly.
	And so for him, he can't have that conversation.
	So all you can do is confront somebody with an out of context quote and be like, you must agree instantly with me that I've given you no information, but you must agree instantly.
	And when he can't, he's like, what an idiot.
	But he's never he can't have a true conversation in good faith where you're like, all right, here's what I believe.
	Like if you're Bill Maher, here's what I believe.
	I believe men and women very different, they shouldn't be in the sports.
	What do you believe other person who exists?
	Yeah.
	And then they might be able to explain kind of a nuanced position about this, and and who knows if if it's somebody who's defending this article or whatever.
	Like that's a conversation.
	Bill Mark can't do that.
	He's incapable of doing that.
	He's invented a platform where he never has to do that.
	Even though he has people on who disagree, he just yells talking points and then quits.
	Like he's he really, really cannot handle somebody disagreeing with him at all.
	It's it's amazing.
	It just it infuriates him.
	Yeah, thin skinned and lazy.
	And when it's something he doesn't really care about, he can kind of let it go.
	But when it's something like this, he just cannot get over that someone disagrees.
	And so he's set up this extremely ridiculous artificial trap.
	And then uh let's so let's get through the rest of this real quick.
	Yeah, and then participates in that exchange.
	I so why can't you just talk about science?
	Why can't you just say this is not scientific and scientific Americans should do better?
	Uh well, does she still have her job?
	No, not because of this.
	I said the scandal is not their tweet.
	This is that was like a year ago, was it?
	Which one was a year ago?
	I think a year ago, women still couldn't beat men.
	What?
	They have extended cover.
	This is the the flow of logic there.
	Neil doesn't know what's happening, but I totally feel for him because he shouldn't know what's happening.
	Bill Maher is being insane.
	Neil's like, she doesn't have the job, right?
	And you said the real scandal is this.
	But why are we talking about her?
	Yeah, but then Bill Maher does it as a gotcha ah, but you forgot that I completely fucking arbitrarily brought this up and has nothing to do with anything, idiot.
	So he's like, yeah, she wasn't canceled for this.
	And he's like, oh yeah, because that was a year ago.
	And that's Neil just trying to clarify.
	Like one of those was a year ago.
	He's not even making a claim.
	He's like, one of those was a year ago.
	And Bill Maher says, Well, I think women could still beat women a year ago.
	It's like, what?
	Yeah.
	That doesn't.
	He was just saying clarifying that she wasn't canceled because of this because this was a year ago.
	And we know she was canceled just recently.
	That's all he's saying.
	He's trying to clarify.
	What a colossal asshole of this sport.
	And it wasn't because of society.
	Okay.
	You don't see a problem.
	Long distance swimming, women might actually have the advantage.
	You can look into that.
	Yeah.
	Maybe long distance swimming.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I've looked into it.
	Well, I'm gonna file you under part of the problem.
	Yeah.
	Let me read one other quote.
	What do you got?
	Ask about AI.
	What do you got from it?
	Oh, okay.
	That's a different thing.
	So that's the exchange we're talking about.
	And now I just want to go back and remind you.
	So this conversation we just played right now was November 22nd, 2024.
	So going on a year ago, we'll say 10 months if you want to be stickler.
	Now, 10 months later, yesterday, as of taping, he's bringing this up.
	And I think it's so telling that he said, I'm gonna put you down as part of the problem.
	Yeah.
	Because like that's the simple-minded bullshit that Bill has done.
	Because his idiotic binary world is are you one of the fucking morons who who's so dumb you would believe anything related to trans rights, or are you one of the good people?
	And now, 10 months later, he brings this up as an example of how the left is so gone.
	I'm gonna remind you how he framed this.
	I couldn't get Neil deGrasse Tyson, a genius scientist and preeminent scientific voice in the media, to agree that it was ridiculous for scientific American and the Atlantic to be claiming that separating sports by sex doesn't make sense.
	That was the Atlantic one.
	We never got into that at all.
	Actually, it makes perfect sense.
	And it's obvious that it does.
	I genuinely thought, based on that, that there was going to be some discussion between Neil and Bill as to whether or not dividing sports by sex makes sense.
	Yeah, but it was just nonsense talking past each other.
	There was none of that.
	Yeah.
	At best, you could say like you could infer that Neil didn't agree with Bill's point that the quote, which I'll read, inequity between male and female athletes is a result not of inherent biological differences between the sexes, but of biases and how they're treated in sports.
	You can infer that Neil doesn't agree with Bill's idea that that's fucking ridiculous.
	You can, I think that's fair, but I'm not even sure if that's true because they never were speaking about the same thing.
	They've there's never a time.
	Listen to that whole exchange.
	I I mean it's painful.
	We could do it again.
	It's not very short.
	How could just as a human being, if I had a disagreement with someone that was at all like this, imagine writing them off as a fucking piece of shit forever.
	When you you weren't, they never even knew what you were saying.
	Yeah.
	You're like, well, this isn't scientific.
	And Neil, the one thing he responded to was he didn't want Bill to write off the scientific American with its 170 year history as unscientific because of whatever this one thing was that he didn't even really know about.
	Slash former editor got fired for because Bill presented it kind of in that way and then was wrong.
	Like they never were talking about the same thing.
	And yet Bill has written him off as part of the problem.
	Yeah, well, I mean, that that's that narcissism at play, right?
	It's like you're either on you either agree with everything I say or you're part of the problem.
	And I don't have to care about anything that you say in the future.
	We don't know what Neil's thoughts on that sentence are.
	We don't know what his thoughts are because you never really got to the bottom of it, you know.
	Like you didn't really, you accosted him with like, you better agree with me real quick without any information.
	Any good scientist would be like, I don't, as you said, like I gotta know more.
	Like, I'm not gonna declare something unscientific that was written in the Scientific American because you're gonna assume there's something there.
	You would be an asshole of a scientist.
	You'd be a bad scientist if someone accosted you with one sentence out of an article that you haven't read from the Scientific American and demanded that you agree it's anti-science.
	And I think Neil actually did a like a good job demonstrating this too, where he's like, well, in the field of a long distance swimming, I do believe that women may have an advantage over men.
	And he's like, Because I've looked into that, and you could look into that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like this very narrow thing that he has researched, where he said, well, okay, there is some data to demonstrate that in this particular athletic endeavor.
	Exactly.
	I credit Neil for that.
	Because I, as much as he was justifiably lost in whatever this was, I think it it actually did ultimately make sense that I think he he managed to catch up with whatever was happening to at least say, well, long distance swimming or whatever.
	And then the second he caught up, then Bill Maher switches and starts talking About something completely different.
	Yeah, and you're part of the problem.
	Yeah.
	That's it for part one here.
	Uh I know it's a little arbitrary, but just like spelling is, but too much to talk about.
	Let it go.
	Uh thanks for listening, everybody.
	We'll see you next time on Where There's Woke.
	We complete Bill Maher's hobby horse and what all that was done.
	Thank you.
	Everybody do only things I like.
	Ha ha, the the woke or dumb.
	I keep fidgeting with something and dropping it.
	I gotta find a different thing to fidget with.
	My fault.
	I have to have something.

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