WTW84: RFK’s Choice to Head Autism Study? A Total Fraud Who Abused Autistic Kids While Posing as a Doctor
Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr. and his second-in-command, Mr. Brain Worm, have appointed a real piece of work to lead the supposed "autism study" that HHS is conducting; and we had to call in for backup as we take on these anti-vaxxers: Dr. Jenessa Seymour! Jenessa takes us on a deep dive about David Geier and tells us all about the way he's approached science, ethics, and human beings in the past. Spoiler: it's not great! **If you enjoy our work, please consider leaving a 5-star review! You can always email questions, comments, and leads to lydia@seriouspod.com.** This content is CAN credentialed, which means you can report instances of harassment, abuse, or other harm on their hotline at (617) 249-4255, or on their website at creatoraccountabilitynetwork.org.
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This is episode 84. I'm Thomas Smith.
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All right.
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Outrage is what I'm anticipating.
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My weather forecast.
Yeah.
Give us a tease before the break.
Oh, boy.
That's good enough, good enough.
Yeah, all right.
Oh, man!
Might as well be the name of the show.
So, what we've got today is David Geyer, who has been hired by Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr. to study autism and vaccines, which is somehow going to be worse than you imagine.
Well, that's good because we've never studied that, right?
So it's probably based on what they say all the time.
It's never been done.
Brand new.
Never thought about it.
That's what scientists usually do.
Don't they just give you something to inject into you?
And they're like, we don't even know what that is.
We're just trying.
Just go ahead.
Just do it.
It's fine.
That's usually how science works.
So painful.
This has been, like, decades and debunked decades ago, and, like, we're still having this conversation.
It's infuriating.
It's time for a three-bunk.
It's like the three-peat.
The three-peat, yeah.
We've done a debunk.
Now we're going to do a three-bunk.
We did debunk Andrew Wakefield on SIO with Kelly a while back, so this is the three-bunk, and folks can check out that if they want.
But that's what we're talking about after the break.
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Let me kick this off, because I want to talk a little bit about why we decided this is probably somebody worth digging into.
Honestly, like, the idea kind of was sparked when the gender dysphoria— Country fell apart.
No, specifically when the gender dysphoria report came out through Health and Human Services, and the authors were not named in that.
Jesse Singel says that he knows who they were because Health and Human Services let him see it before.
Apparently.
But that he was sworn to secrecy and wouldn't disclose it.
I wonder why.
Why?
I wonder why.
Yeah, I wonder why.
I know.
Now, some folks have been able to identify some of the authors because, like, for example, the PDF of the report included one unresolved comment that had the author's name attached and they found a couple other things as well.
But for the most part, I don't think...
Yeah.
All the best science has to be done anonymously because you don't want to stand behind your work.
That's usually how the best science is done.
Now, on this particular next study, I guess they're doing, where RFK announced he's going to do, you know, he's going to find the cause of autism and so then we can find a cure for autism.
We're going to find the cause of autism and Nicole Brown Simpson's killer.
Those two things.
Finally.
In a handful of months.
A handful of months, right?
What's different about this, though, is that we know who is going to be working on this study because they announced who they hired.
And so I thought it would be really important for us to try and get ahead of this before any sort of report comes out, any sort of study, I'm doing air quotes here, comes out about autism, that we figure out, okay, who's this person behind it?
What do we need to know about them so we're prepared when that material comes out and whatever nonsense it says.
Given the fact we know who it is, I'm going to guess that's bad because if the other people were at least shamed...
And this guy's like, no, put my name on this thing.
It's not going to be good.
And so I summoned Janessa and I said, help!
Help me figure out this guy.
Help us scratch this itch.
Yeah, and let's dig into who he is and why we need to be concerned.
Yeah, and that worked out because in addition to reading some bullshit medical stuff, it also required reading some legal cases.
Very interesting.
Yeah, it's gonna get wild.
Okay, it was around April 10-ish is when I first start seeing the reports that RFK Jr. is proposing to and I think has now hired him to analyze CDC data.
Looking into autism and vaccines, he has said that it's just going to be analyzing that data.
He's not going to be conducting research, like collecting new data.
I guess, assuming you believe that, I'm glad he's not going to have direct access to children.
that's better.
But this is still conducting research and there are still ethical...
And I think we're going to find that severely lacking in this case.
So the individual is David Geyer.
It's really impossible to talk about him without talking about his father, Mark Geyer.
Literally, if you go to Wikipedia, David Geyer does have a page.
It was last edited 17 years ago.
Oh, wow.
And all it says is...
And there's a link.
Yeah, he has no identity separate from his father.
I'd be like, just delete the page.
I don't need a Wikipedia page.
It seems worse than not having one.
It seems rude, right?
Like his identity is completely wrapped up in his father, which is like...
So I don't know if it's like they were going to pick David no matter what, or if it's like, well, Mark is on his deathbed, so let's get the next best thing.
He's kind of second fiddle through this whole thing, which is probably a good thing.
Not that Mark Geyer is great either.
So to go through who is he, he gets a PhD.
In genetics from George Washington University in the 70s.
And then he gets his MD from the George Washington School of Medicine right after that.
He then does, it's unclear because it's the 70s and medicine has always been confusing and complicated, but I think it was an internship or a residency, something like that.
In obstetrics and gynecology.
So not even a little bit related to anything he's going to go on to do with autism and vaccines.
Unless vaginas make kids autistic.
I mean...
So he does that like one year intern clinical fellow kind of thing.
He's also...
I don't know why we keep finding these anti-vax people in the NIH.
His term there overlaps with Russetti, and they do have one paper where Russetti is thanking him for sending him materials.
Otherwise, I don't see overlap.
I can't prove they communicated.
I don't know.
Yeah, it was not the mouse cells.
Thank God.
It was immunological material, which one of the things Geyer is going to be accused of is practicing as an immunologist when he has no expertise in that field.
When he's an OBGYN.
Yeah, exactly.
So really, what he's essentially qualified to do with that expertise, the PhD in genetics does not give you Any authority to practice genetics in medicine.
You're going to have to go do like an internship, a residency, something in medicine to be able to do that, right?
He will...
He's a fraud.
Got it.
Yeah.
Yeah, right off the bat, he is lying about that.
Oh, yeah, that didn't take long to get to the fraud part.
No.
No.
So, what is his biggest legacy here?
Him and David.
Now, David, his son, has a bachelor's in...
I think it's biology.
It's really hard to find information about him.
They've worked together to publish a number of studies, most of which have been retracted at this point, that suggest thimerosal.
A preservative that used to be used in vaccines.
We took it out basically so people would shut up and take vaccines.
I hate how much of that there is.
I really hate how much of that there is.
I almost wonder if we just should or not.
I get that the calculation was probably by these saintly scientists who are trying to save lives.
It's like, look, it'll save more lives if we just do that.
But in the long run, I don't know.
Because I feel like we keep giving these assholes an inch and then they take a mile.
It's like, no, it's fine.
It is safe.
Shut up.
Take your stupid vaccine, asshole.
That's what it should be.
Or die.
I don't care.
That's where I am now at this point.
Well, and it's in there for a reason.
It's not like it's just there.
I have to imagine.
Yeah.
Critically, there's, I'm going to mix up which is which, there's like ethyl mercury and methyl mercury, and like one of them gives you mercury poisoning, and one of them is like bioinert and doesn't bother you.
And that's why they're named different things.
Yeah.
It's not, look, I'm no chemist, but it's not as though, it's like, no, if it's ethyl mercury versus methyl mercury, it's probably the same.
Yeah, it's just an M, that's only different.
It's ridiculous about their namings, usually.
It's like, no, that's a massively different...
different thing.
It's an entirely different compound.
One is like with different chemicals that's the gas they used in World War One.
The other version that's one letter off is oxygen.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
That matters.
Yeah, that's where we're at.
So they allege that and this is total bullshit.
We know this is total bullshit just in case anybody's getting to Earth for the first day.
Mercury in vaccines, thimerosal in vaccines is How could this be causing autism?
It doesn't.
So this is a really dumb question.
But how could it cause autism?
Well, what it's doing is it's boosting testosterone levels.
And that is step two, question mark, step three, autism?
I don't know.
That's a weird way to go since every podcast that these people talk on is selling testosterone.
So that's a weird, you know what I mean?
Great point.
They don't care what's in those boner pills and the fucking...
God knows Alex Jones is injecting himself with who knows what.
Oh, I know.
But if it's a vaccine that the scientists have definitely cleared, then no.
All of a sudden it's a problem, right?
So what they're going to do is diagnose kids with precocious puberty, which is basically going through puberty too early.
That is a real diagnosis.
It can be a real issue.
You don't want to be six years old and getting a period.
That's not healthy for your body, and it obviously can have social implications.
So precocious puberty is real.
There are real medications that can delay puberty, the same puberty blockers that can be used for trans children.
They're going to diagnose these kids as having precocious puberty and Heavy metal poisoning and therefore give them puberty blockers and chelation therapy.
Wait, who is diagnosing kids?
What?
Yeah, so the problem is it's Mark Geyer hypothetically running the study, but it's David Geyer, his son, who has just got a bachelor's, is kind of running the whole thing.
Wow.
Yeah, so here's what happens.
That's their theory, right?
They will first assemble an institutional review board, an IRB, which is required to get any study through.
And usually the way you would do that, like when I've done that for my research, it'll be run through your university, for example.
And there would be certainly somebody, you know, I do psychology research and neuroscience.
There would be somebody with expertise in that.
But they would also have like an English professor and a member of the community, like people who can comment on health.
Is this ethical?
Is this right?
Out of academia, too, right?
Like kind of having like a gut check on the board.
Yes.
Precisely.
To say like, hey, I don't care how this advances science or academics.
This is wrong.
Yeah.
That's the purpose of having this diverse panel.
Well, the IRB they assemble is then-Dr.
Mark Geyer, his son David Geyer, his wife.
Andrew Wakefield, I'm just kidding.
Mark's business partner and a lawyer who represents plaintiffs in vaccine injury cases.
Wow!
I would go somewhere and say that isn't an IRB or whatever.
No.
That's just like, hey, I'm telling my idiot friends about my stupid thing.
It's the group chat.
It's like literally the group chat.
Wow.
Yeah, pretty famously, you can't be on the IRB to approve your own study.
That wouldn't work.
Yeah, how did that happen?
Do you know?
He listed the business address of the IRB as his own business and just started going.
Nobody knew he was doing it because he was the IRB.
And he ran it out of his own basement.
But you're not allowed to do that, right?
No.
No, you're super not allowed to do that.
But what they did is they drafted up consent forms and advertised this to parents and opened centers.
Different businesses under different names, like the Genetics Center, really generic things, in multiple states, and just kind of advertised it like, we're doing treatment, FDA-approved, allegedly, treatment for your kid.
Come on in.
And people came in.
Many parents only saw David Geyer.
Believed him to be a doctor the entire time.
Oh, wow.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, he at one point was doing ultrasounds on patients, which involved him.
Like, what?
Yeah, this is freaking evil.
Wow.
I don't know how they escaped this.
David Guyer was, like, following patients around the room.
Because, like, even if your kid wasn't autistic, they're kids.
They, like, wander around the room.
He was just following them around and, like, tapping different parts of their body with the ultrasound wand.
And when parents were like, that...
That doesn't really...
Doesn't seem like anything.
Yeah.
I'm no doctor, but that doesn't feel like...
Yeah.
This one's not tapping right.
It's not tapping correctly.
Honestly, me wearing a sexy doctor costume for Halloween, I'm going to act doctor better.
I was going to say, when we do our role play, I want you more in character than this.
Otherwise, I'm not.
That is so funny.
Just tapping around the phone.
Oh, Jesus.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Like, parents raised the issue.
They were like, that doesn't seem like a real test.
And he was like, no, no, it's fine.
Everything's fine.
Your kid's great.
His thyroid looks great.
Look, I tapped it.
I tapped him on the thigh, and his thyroid, I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then went on to order all kinds of tests and blood work.
He would order a number of tests that required more blood than a person could give in a single setting.
And so parents would show up and be told, like, you're going to have to come back on another day.
Like, we can't take all of this blood at once.
Also, who's your fucking doctor?
Who signed off on this, right?
Like, that's an important question, I guess, at that point.
Yeah.
So he forged his dad's signature.
Look, I don't think that his dad was opposed to any of this from all of the records available.
But probably just as a matter of convenience, I don't know.
They found that the shape of the D that David would write in multiple places way too closely resembled the D when lab tests were ordered, signed as Dr. Mark Geyer.
That just didn't make sense to have ever been written.
So the medical board of Maryland found that this was a forgery.
So he was forging his dad's signatures to order all kinds of unnecessary tests.
They were giving IRB forms to parents saying that this was an IRB-approved study.
This is crime.
This sounds like crime to me.
Yeah.
Multiple crimes.
Yeah.
They prescribed Lupron, which at the time was FDA-approved for precocious puberty, but in many cases they gave a way higher dose, and it's not FDA-approved for- And did these kids have precocious puberty?
No!
Crimes!
This is crimes!
What is happening?
Yeah, this is horrible.
I'm starting to think there's not enough vigilante justice in our society.
We've gotten to that point.
Like, if you're a parent of one of these kids, can you just kill this guy?
Like, what are you doing?
It will ultimately be parents who report this guy when they figure it out.
But like, for example, to diagnose precocious puberty, it is understood.
You must take an x-ray of the left wrist.
I don't know why the left.
I guess that's just for standardizing.
And I'm assuming what they're looking at is growth plates.
I don't really know.
Then you tap them three times with the wand.
I'm not a pediatrician!
So Phoebe actually has to have this done for scoliosis because they're trying to make sure that her bones are still growing and the brace is actually going to do something.
Because if her growth plates are fused and her bones are not going to extend anymore, then why would you be wearing a brace?
It's not going to actually adjust anything.
Yeah, so I think that's the idea is we're looking at those growth plates.
So that is something that is just understood.
And if he had been a pediatrician or somebody who studies precocious puberty or knew anything about it, he would know.
You just can't be diagnosing this without that.
You also use this thing called the Tanner Scale, which looks at puberty and the stages.
And this was just not done for a single one of these kids.
So fundamentally, you can't claim to have diagnosed any of them with it.
Also, you're not a doctor!
Yeah!
I don't think you can claim to have diagnosed literally anything.
Yeah.
No.
No, his dad, the actual then doctor, sometimes saw some of the patients, sometimes read some of the records, but it is clear...
It was only David, the bachelor's student.
Tapping their bodies with an ultrasound.
Yeah.
He was prescribing this drug for blocking puberty at way higher doses than you would, even if they had precocious puberty, at a dose that is not FDA approved for it.
And giving chelating agents, in some of the cases, they wrote in the consent form that you would be getting this chelating agent, which is an FDA-approved drug, and then gave a different drug, which is not FDA-approved in the U.S. for any use.
It is technically used for chelating in other places, but it's not FDA-approved in the U.S., so they lied to the parents.
Pretend I've never chelated.
Yeah, what's a chelate?
This is what treats heavy metal poisoning.
So they also don't have heavy metal poisoning.
But if they did, here's a consent form saying we'll give you this drug that is FDA approved to treat the heavy metal poisoning you don't have.
And now I'm going to give you a different drug that is not approved for this and lie to you about it.
Also, parent, you're going to go home and administer this to your child rectally.
What?
Okay, now we're definitely talking crimes.
Your kid doesn't need this for any possible reason, but just go ahead and do this at home.
Sorry, I'm just like in disbelief over here.
You don't have to answer this now if we're going to get to it, but I really hope some of these parents, like civil lawsuits, please, dear God, this is so bad.
I couldn't find any civil suits.
Oh my God.
I'm excited to get to the part where this guy's dead.
Yeah.
I'm excited.
Oh, what?
He's being put in a very important position?
Or I don't know if it's a position technically, but yeah, no, this is...
Yeah.
All right.
So let's pretend you are an absolute nut who believes this is all real, and you really think you're conducting a study.
You're going to prove that this is what's doing this horrible, tragic thing.
Your child is autistic.
What a nightmare.
And you're going to cure it.
Oh, my God.
Wouldn't you be, I don't know, collecting data and keeping records?
No.
No, the record-keeping...
That was a three-tap kid.
That's a four-tap kid.
Yeah.
No, there's such poor record keeping that during the hearing that was going to ultimately take away Mark Geyer's medical license- It's not enough.
They subpoena him to say...
And when he doesn't answer, they're like, you do know that if you don't have them, you have to respond in writing and say that you don't.
And he also doesn't respond to that.
But it turns out he doesn't have them.
Like, he did not keep the most...
He didn't keep the bare minimum required medical records for treating a patient.
Wow.
It was already a violation of the medical codes and practice to do this.
So why are they even doing this if they're not conducting a study?
Because they're charging 10 times what that drug would normally cost to these parents.
These parents are paying thousands and thousands of dollars to treat their kid for a disease they don't have.
Wow.
Cool, cool.
Super, definitely crimes.
Literally desperate for help.
For sure, crimes.
Wait, they're desperate for help with what?
Just because they're autistic?
Well, I guess they suspect that they're autistic or something.
Well, so that's the thing also is David was doing the autism diagnosis.
So presumably some of these kids had some level of developmental delay in something that led their parents to think they needed assessment.
Whether they were in, you know, I'm sure some, I am assuming, possibly incorrectly, some of these kids were independently diagnosed somewhere.
But without that, I mean, One of the reasons David is going to be held liable by the board for practicing medicine without a license is he writes down, like, yeah, I administered this questionnaire.
this kid has the, oh gosh, I always forget the name.
It's like a developmental disorder, not otherwise specified, which is the like, You don't necessarily meet the criteria for this, but there's some sort of developmental delay here.
Yeah, you can't be doing that.
You're not licensed to do that.
At one point, he told a parent that their 13-year-old looked 16 and had the beginnings of a mustache and, quote, that's a high testosterone kid.
That's his precocious puberty diagnosis.
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah, they're just...
But let us always keep in mind, autism is a spectrum.
Autism can have comorbidities with other disorders.
So it could be your kid isn't struggling because they're autistic.
They're struggling because they also have an intellectual disability or they also have this other disability.
and this is all coming together to make their life very difficult.
And also we have things we can do to make Can we not?
I don't even know if you need to say that.
I think that should be understood.
Obviously?
Yeah.
But here's the thing.
This has happened before.
We had that guy with that, like, miracle mineral solution, which was basically bleach.
And he was telling parents, it'll cure your kid's autism.
By the way, it's an enema.
I don't know why they want you to keep putting it up kids.
Like, stop it.
Because they're criminals and this is a crime.
Yeah, this is Nazi shit.
You're just-Yeah.
And you're also going to make the parents the ones that are doing it to them, too.
So now the parents, who knows what kind of guilt they're carrying with them for the rest of their lives.
And, by the way, give me all this money for it, and I'm not really – you think you're doing this for the good of, you know, other people, part of a study, a clinical study that might help people.
Just kidding.
You're just giving me money.
I'm not even collecting data.
So, okay.
The good news is this will get stopped eventually.
A parent will report this because they – Take their kid in, and they're just very suspicious.
Nothing seems right about this.
Yeah.
They get the order to do all this blood work.
The fact that this guy was wearing the stethoscope around his waist was part of it.
Yeah.
So they go in, and you know how, like, I don't know why this is a thing now.
It used to be you just did blood work at your doctor's office.
Obviously, they were not doing it in this basement.
So they said, you know, go to this place.
They'll do the blood work, and you go to some independent place.
She got there and they were like, yeah, we need like 22 vials of blood.
We can't do this in one day.
And she was like, that doesn't sound right.
Googles it and is like, cool, this guy I talked to that I 100% thought was a doctor is not a doctor and reports it.
And so this is what starts the investigation.
It will ultimately lead to David Geier is fined $10,000 by the Maryland Board of Physicians for practicing without a license.
How much?
$10,000?
$10,000.
Oh my god.
Yeah, which is like, you know, maybe two patients worth of what they earned.
Wow.
This is unreal.
Do you get the sense?
Did they have any, like, political connection or something before this?
Or is this just that bad of a system?
How'd they get out of this with a slap on the wrist?
So, David, about a year before this whole thing goes down, he gets appointed to the Maryland Commission on Autism by the governor of Maryland, Martin O'Malley.
Yep, I don't know, man.
They did, as soon as this came out, people were like, what is happening?
And O'Malley will eventually dismiss him and say, like, you do not have the qualifications to be on this.
Panel.
But like, I mean, the thing that ordered the creation of this commission on autism was like, diagnosis rates are skyrocketing.
And anytime I see that, I just red flags start going up about like, we know that's largely or maybe exclusively driven.
I would argue exclusively driven by increased awareness and increased diagnosis and expansion of diagnostic criteria.
This is not because more kids are getting autism.
It's not real.
So like this panic about increased diagnosis, if the rationale was we have more kids with a diagnosis, we want to provide them services, we need to figure out the most effective way to do that.
Okay, great.
But as soon as it's a panic about what's causing this, red flag, not good.
So he did somehow get himself onto that commission.
the Democratic governor appointed him.
You know, once you're appointed to something, depending on the agency, you may or may not be immediately removable or require some...
I would imagine this is one of those agencies you can just come on and off of.
Some things you have to be impeached or-Yeah, it doesn't seem like a statutory agency, but- Yeah, you would think so.
Actually, I'm researching this for a separate work project on local government, and it is wild how many agencies are like, well, this one, you can only be removed for cause.
This one, you get appointed and approved by the Senate, but then the governor can just remove you without cause, even though it required Senate approval.
And it's a whole mishmash, so you never know.
So there's some level of political connection there, but he did pretty quickly after this get booted off of it.
Probably not quickly enough, in my opinion.
Mark Geyer loses his license and David Geyer gets fined.
There is a piece where you're going to hear RFK Jr. using this and it's 100% horseshit.
The argument that all of this is defamation, this isn't true, they won a lawsuit against this, it's not true.
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There's a period where they emergency suspend Mark Geyer's license while they're doing all of this, and they will ultimately permanently get rid of his license.
During that suspension period, the Maryland Board of Physicians finds out he's still prescribing to His family members.
Oh my god.
Wow.
I know.
This creates a public record that says he prescribed this medication to David Geyer and this medication to Ann Geyer.
And like, yeah, that's kind of not cool that it did reveal some medical information about his family members.
Like, that was probably not necessary, right?
Here's the thing.
So in the lower court...
By whom?
Like, who are they winning against?
The Maryland Board of Physicians.
Oh, come on.
Yeah.
So here's the thing, is it will immediately get reversed.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So they win, I think it was like $2.5 million and an injunction to take it down.
But the next court up is going to say...
Yeah.
I mean, maybe you shouldn't have done it, but they're going to ultimately find, first of all, that the Maryland board is immune from suit over this.
Oh, interesting.
And I saw an analysis of this that I think I kind of agree with, said there's a general phrase that goes around of like, bad facts make bad law.
You had the most unsympathetic plaintiffs possible and a ridiculously egregious monetary award.
There's no way $2.5 million was appropriate damages for what happened here.
He shouldn't have been prescribing.
They had to report that.
Now, could they have redacted it?
Sure.
And they very quickly took it down.
Could some amount of damages maybe have been appropriate?
I think it was all three of them as plaintiffs.
I'd have to double-check it.
Yeah, like maybe some small amount of damages would have been appropriate.
Maybe some qualified immunity rather than absolute would have been appropriate.
But they're so unsympathetic, and that number was so ridiculous that it just ultimately led to this decision of like, no, they're just immune.
Stop it.
This is ridiculous.
Right, which is probably not necessarily good, but yeah.
Yeah, like if they did this again in a more egregious way to somebody we don't, Not like this.
The way RFK Jr. is portraying it.
Well, the Maryland Board of Physicians claims that he did this fake study and he lied to people and blah, blah, blah.
But he won a lawsuit against them for millions of dollars because that wasn't true.
Oh, my God.
That's just a lie.
It sounds like he's just lying.
Like he's lying all the fucking time.
Guy is the biggest fucking liar and people are sanitizing it because he somehow...
What really happened is a tiny, tangentially, barely-related thing.
They won in the lower court and then lost on appeal.
Unrelated.
So, no.
Just a lie.
A total lie.
No, no, no.
So, basically, this guy who's really enjoying some Nazi science is going to go through the CDC data.
And try to tell us whether autism is caused by vaccines.
Tap the data with his wand a little bit.
Yeah.
What was it?
Ultrasound wand.
Ultrasound wand, yeah.
His data's not tapping quite right.
I think it's wrong.
Yeah, so I think it's like really important here to just remember.
I know there's a temptation for some people to feel like, well, does your opinion on something necessarily disqualify you?
Yes.
It does.
First of all, yes.
Depends what it is, but sometimes yes, very much so.
This has been debunked over and over and over again.
There comes a point where we have to abandon certain ideas as BS.
We don't have to keep entertaining it anymore.
In addition to holding ideas that should themselves disqualify him from this position, that's not even close to the problem.
This guy abused children and practiced medicine without a license and lied to parents and the patients and made shit up and prescribed drugs that weren't FDA approved.
Like this person has no sense of ethics about how to treat people and data and doesn't care.
So, yeah, I don't trust.
He should be in jail.
Yeah.
I think the child abuse angle is really smart because it's clear that that's what was happening.
And I have not seen anyone talk about this guy in that way.
Yeah.
And I think when you hear the details, you're like, yeah, obviously that was abusive to these children who did not ask to be part of this thing, whose parents were just trying to find help for something that they thought their kid had.
And they might not have even had it.
And it's just, what do we do?
How do we keep them away from people's data?
I mean, like, there are people I know out there that are not wanting to pursue abuse.
you know?
So I don't know.
It's tough decisions.
I guess.
Yeah, I don't know about all that.
I think that these idiots are going to do what they're going to do.
They're going to put their shit in a spreadsheet and they're going to manipulate it and do whatever.
It's not really going to matter what data is in there.
I sympathize with that feeling, like why parents are feeling that way.
I mean, the services are so helpful.
Having accommodations is so helpful.
I would hate to imagine that somebody didn't get those accommodations.
Then none of this hopefully comes to pass and we don't have autistic concentration camps and you missed out on services for nothing.
But I mean, yeah, historically it's never been great when they start assembling a list of people with disabilities that hasn't gone well.
Yeah, but in terms of this personal decision, I just take it from the standpoint of if we're getting to the point where that's happening.
Yeah.
I don't think the solution is, oh, well, you know, I thought ahead a little bit and withheld services from my child, so now he's not going to be one of the ones going to the camps.
Yeah.
It's like, no, we're fucking at war then.
Like, there's not just, that's not a thing.
Like, you know, like, we're not doing that.
They're going to find you.
That's the reality.
Well, or, and if they're doing that, then we all need to be literally fighting them.
Like, we're not saving it.
The duty is not for you to save your kid by not filling out a form.
Like, the duty is like, let's all get in the way.
You know, like, that's just not going to happen.
I would hope that we will not let this happen for a second time because this is how it started in Nazi Germany.
They had Dr. Hans Asperger developed Asperger's as a diagnostic criteria to separate out autistic kids who were not going to be productive.
And autistic kids who would be labeled as Asperger's, who had high IQs and who could be productive to society, and they could go on their merry way, and the other kids were sent to a supposed children's hospital where they were killed.
And it was how they practiced mass killing techniques that would later be used on other populations.
I gotta look that up.
I had seen it presented the other way that he was able to save the kids.
But I don't know.
That's what I saw presented.
Either way, point stands.
we don't need to be doing this.
Yeah, the narrative has to be Or like, did he know?
Did he know that some of the kids he labeled as like, yeah, not this one, went to a baby death camp?
Or what did he know?
I am very persuaded by the he was not on the good guy side.
but you know, there's some level of interpretation open.
The point being, This would not be a first shocking time.
Regardless, this is going to get kids killed.
Spreading this idea that getting a vaccine is damaging your child, that will get children killed because they will not get lifesaving vaccines.
Autistic kids are going to be labeled as a problem.
And they're going to be traumatized.
And they're not going to get their vaccines.
And they're going to be killed by that.
So, like, this is already so unbelievably damaging.
It also just feels like for, I mean, we already said RFK's a liar, right?
He's a big, fat liar.
But I just think about Bill Cassidy a lot.
And, like, what do you think is going through his head right now?
I mean, a cognitive dissonance must be through the roof.
Yeah, I think he did.
He tried to do the thing that would make him okay with what he was doing.
It was never going to work, and it didn't work.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's just so crazy to me that Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Senator Bill Cassidy, pediatrician, he talks a lot about the moment that changed his life when he saved a child.
Well, the whole thing could have been avoided had this person been able to get a vaccine.
Because it was like a transplant, I think, that they needed.
And they were like airlifted to get it done.
But anyway, the point is, he's like almost a sensible-ish Republican, one of the few remaining.
And he basically gave the okay to RFK Jr., I think, because realistically, I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm not sure what he could have done if his one vote would have made a difference.
But he made RFK swear he was never going to touch vaccines and all this stuff.
Yeah.
It just, yeah.
I don't know.
I never had any faith that that was going to work.
Yeah.
He, like, promised that he would be consulting Senator Cassidy and, like, bringing him in.
And then this is just, like, such an obvious move, like, to bring on someone as evil as this.
Someone who, like, again, abusive of children.
And you have this pediatrician who, like, signed off on this guy's, you know, appointment for RFK.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know how he would sleep at night, but that's just me.
Yeah.
So that's where we're at.
This guy is going to make money on this.
Yeah, so I feel like whatever he comes up with is not going to be anything, is what it sounds like.
No, I can't.
He doesn't have the necessary skills to begin with.
He's not a medical doctor.
He's not a psychologist.
He's not a psychiatrist.
He does not have the data analytics skills.
And even if he did, So, no, I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of this.
If it comes out exactly the way I expect, I would still be like, yeah, but it's a pile of bullshit.
I want somebody who knows what they're doing to do this.
So, do we have anything to track?
What's the next?
What do we expect?
Is he just going to be crunching his little numbers or something for a while?
Yeah, I mean, that's the problem.
This is a position within the Department of Health and Human Services.
RFK Jr. can pretty much only be either fired by Trump or impeached by the Senate.
And anybody RFK Jr. hires is like, it's up to him mostly to hire and fire.
Like we have very little input on this other than like, Maybe they will.
Maybe they will.
I don't know.
I never want to tell you not to try.
We just need to get the word out on that this guy is a sicko, weird, child-harming person.
Like, that's all we can do.
But I mean, like, what's the next step in what they're trying to do?
Like, is he on a timer to release, like, some report or something?
I think RFK has said September.
Well, that's when he said many months ago, by September we would know the cause of autism.
That deadline's been getting closer and closer.
I've not seen even fake progress on that, so I don't quite know.
I'm sure we'll have the full self-driving Teslas as well.
Yeah.
Something that Elon promises every few weeks.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Yeah, I think he's just gonna be there with access to a whole bunch of health records and doing whatever the hell he wants with it.
I don't know.
I haven't seen a timeline or assembling a team that's gonna research this.
I've mostly just seen people yelling.
How do you even populate that team?
Who is shitty enough to go on that team?
Yeah.
Truly empty Arkham Asylum to do that.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, thanks for, you know, thanks.
Telling us how much a fucking criminal should be nowhere near any of this and should be in prison.
Yay.
Cool.
So fun.
But before we let you go, Janessa, I want to hear this from RFK's beautiful voice.
I'm sure he has an explanation.
Why are you doing this to me?
So just a couple weeks ago, there was a Senate hearing where RFK, you know, they're talking about the budget, right?
Because all the different agencies have submitted their budget.
And Maggie Hassan from New Hampshire took this as an opportunity to start asking some questions about his hiring of David Geier.
Now, you lead the nation's health department, so let me ask you a couple of questions.
Who the fuck are you?
Do you think HHS should employ anyone who has endangered the health of children?
No.
You hired David Geyer to lead autism research at HHS, an individual who fraudulently posed as a doctor and gave dangerous medications and medical tests to children with autism.
According to the State of Maryland's investigation, David Geyer, who has no medical license or training, gave hormone blocker injections to children with autism who were as young as eight years old, which the Maryland Board of Medicine said poses a substantial Secretary Kennedy, yes or no, will you fire David Guyer?
First of all, what you're saying is not true.
We did not hire David Guyer to manage autism research at HHS.
So what is his job?
What is the job that just said some very defamatory?
Well, no, I think about a person who by the way is Those charges, Senator, I am going to correct the record on this.
No, let me tell you what the record says, and then I will hear from you.
Last week when Mr. O'Neill was here in his confirmation hearing, I submitted for the record the charge that the state of Maryland laid out.
Now, if you'd like also for me to submit to the record with unanimous consent today the findings of the state of Maryland, which fined him $10,000 for practicing medicine without a license.
He does not have a medical license.
And for providing and instructing and giving children hormone blockers.
That is what the founding of the Maryland Department, the state of Maryland, medical licensing board was.
And I'll submit that for the record, I hope with unanimous consent.
I'm assuming that you don't know what I'm about to tell you, or you wouldn't say something that was so dishonest.
You may or may not know that David Geier sued the American...
I do know that.
That doesn't change the findings, nor does it change the experience of the parents who testified.
That finding was reversed by a court, and he was awarded $5 million.
Right!
That is not true.
Now, let me ask you.
So, I just want confirmation.
David Geier is still at HHS.
I wrote you a letter about this a month ago, and you have not responded.
Well, I apologize for that.
That's our bad.
I will respond, but David Geier is not managing autism research.
So what is his job?
What is his job at HHS?
This is somebody who gave parents the impression that he was a doctor and gave hormone blockers to children as young as eight, telling them that hormone blockers magically help their kids with autism.
His father is a doctor, but he is not.
And his father was not in the room, and he faked his father's signature according to the State Board of Medicine.
And that ruling was overturned by a court.
So what you're saying is just wrong.
It's just a lie.
And they were actually the court said that the Maryland Board of Physicians Also not true.
Well, we will pursue this.
And I will submit for the record.
So do you want to know why we brought David Guyer in?
Sure.
Because it wasn't to run autism research.
In 2002, the CDC runs a vaccine safety data link, which is supposed to be the vaccine information for the biggest HMOs.
That are supposed to allow CDC to have a surveillance system for vaccine injury.
It's a backstop system.
The CDC will not let any physicians in there to look at it or any science, independent science.
He's neither a scientist nor a physician.
Right.
Congress ordered CDC to open it to the Guyers.
So they are the only scientists who have ever been in there.
But again, Mr. Guyer is not a scientist.
Senator Heston's time has expired.
But before we move on, did you have a unanimous consent request that I heard in there, Senator?
Again, Josh Hawley.
Unreal.
Yeah.
Oh, I forgot.
Yeah, a senator did in fact at one point get them into CDC data.
They pulled some strings on that one.
Yeah, back way long ago.
So they did have some connections or something.
Yeah, they even like, all these people know each other.
There was a guy who testified as the expert for Dr. Geyer as like, why he shouldn't lose his medical license.
And it's a guy who a year prior to that, Wrote a book with Jenny McCarthy about, like, anti-vaccine stuff.
All of these people know each other.
They're all working together.
And sometimes they get the ear of a congressperson and all of a sudden they're in the freaking CDC database.
I don't know what is going on.
And, like, some of them are hanging out at the NIH and I don't like it.
Wow.
On that happy note.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
That's so crazy, man.
All right.
Well.
Fuck that child abuser.
And yeah, we'll keep an eye on this and hopefully we can get the word out.
