WTW78: You'll Never Guess What Megyn Kelly Talked About At CPAC...
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All right, so I'm going to take you back just one week ago.
CPAC was just February 21st.
Well, that whole weekend.
And Megyn Kelly's speech was on Friday, February 21st.
She walks out and the title of...
Her speech on the video that's uploaded is how the left gaslighting America relates to Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni.
She is very, very interested, invested in this case.
She talks about it quite a lot.
She's gone on Ben Shapiro's show to talk about it.
She has Brian Friedman on, who is Justin Baldoni's lawyer in all the Wayfarer parties.
His lawyer on, he was also her lawyer when she was let go from NBC after she kind of defended blackface.
And he, you know, fought for her contract and she ended up getting to keep the $69 million contract she originally had.
So, Friedman essentially...
Earned her $69 million less attorney's fees.
Yeah.
You know, that doesn't mean necessarily that she wouldn't be on this side of it anyway.
She probably would.
But that's a little extra connection there.
Yeah, I mean, for example, Candace Owens is very much on this side, too.
And Brian Friedman is not her lawyer.
So, you know, I think this is something that the right has really clung on to.
I think part of it is they like to see people in Hollywood.
Get it handed to them, right?
I think that is something that a lot of them despises, like, this celebrity culture.
And you see that from Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Brett Cooper.
Like, they're all about, you know, the fall of the celebrity, and they take joy in that, for sure.
Unless they're conservative, then it's great.
They're awesome.
Yeah, unless it's Donald Trump or, yeah.
Well, no, unless it's like, yeah, those...
Steven Seagal.
Yeah, there's a couple weird ones.
Yeah, yeah.
All the Yellowstone cast, basically.
It's like, they're great.
They're great.
But yeah, there is this weird like, I mean, I get it because any celebrity, any actor or artist even who's, I don't know, worth anything is not going to be a fascist.
Yeah.
That's like definitionally.
And I just think there's always that hatred and animosity.
But also, I mean, can't deny the conservative mission of always taking down women as well, right?
So it's kind of an intersection of a couple things.
And I think that's a great point there, too, because, like, when you're looking at Blake Lively versus Justin Baldoni, Justin Baldoni is not, like, this, you know, macho man or, like, Kid Rock.
You know, he doesn't present himself as, like, a chauvinist in any way.
So they're stuck between having to be on Blake Lively's side or...
Oh, no.
They're not stuck at all.
I beg to differ.
This is their favorite thing.
Oh, no.
I know.
I know.
They absolutely love it.
Yeah.
And we'll hear from Megyn Kelly herself.
So why don't we just start with the backstory that she presents to this conservative crowd.
Keep an eye out for anything that seems kind of funky, especially you, because you know the ins and outs of the case and the facts.
I literally won't be able to not do that.
Okay.
Yes.
Let's do it.
We don't want to hear a walk-up song.
So remember who you are.
And who you definitely are not.
But it was kind of a compliment either way.
Anyway, speaking of big names, you definitely will know.
Have you heard about what's happening with the Blake Lively-Justin Baldoni case?
I'm just going to walk because I actually had all that.
Can you hear me okay like this?
Okay.
Okay.
Are you obsessed with this case?
All right, there are millions of people who are obsessed with this case.
I'm going to give you a little background on it, and then you will be obsessed with it.
And I'll tell you, there's a reason why conservatives in particular are following this so closely.
It makes sense to me.
All right, so you know who Blake Lively is, right?
Me too.
Most people know her.
Yeah, see, the people who are booing, they know.
Then there's this guy, Justin Baldoni, who's not as well known.
And, yeah, see, they've been following the story.
So he optioned this book called It Ends With Us.
And it's about domestic violence.
And he managed to get Blake Lively to star in his movie, Across From Him.
So far, so good.
He played the abusive guy and she played the woman.
And this is the thrill of a lifetime for this guy.
He had done another TV project, but nobody knows who he is.
So he gets Blake Lively.
A little harsh.
He's married to Ryan Reynolds.
These are Hollywood A-listers.
He's going to put them on the map.
And she agrees to be his female co-star.
I wonder if she is maximizing Blake Lively's power and reach and minimizing his for any reason in this setup.
I'll note just for fun, I haven't seen this.
This is the first time watching. - Yep. - Blake Lively is very dissatisfied with virtually everything around her and decides to allege that Justin Baldoni, this, I mean, forgive me, very effeminate, evolved, modern feminist, man bun kind of guy, is like this virulent sexual harasser who is like this virulent sexual harasser who can't stop harassing one of the biggest stars in Hollywood in front of everybody on the set.
I've got questions.
I'm not sure why he would do that, whether he'd have the guts to do that, or whether the man bun is the most likely harasser in general.
But you never know.
Sometimes the ones who kind of bend over backward to be as woke as possible are the most...
Okay, I'm open-minded about it.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, virulent sexual harasser.
Can't stop harassing.
Yeah, that's what the allegations were.
Yeah.
No mention of Jamie Heath being a fucking weirdo.
She will address that a little bit later, but specifically with this, I think, yeah, like the way that she has set this up.
Describing the thought process of how, it's like, their theory of mind fails so hard.
Like, that's why these people are so dumb.
And sometimes they're just trying to be dumb.
But honestly, their theory of mind is that women are so stupid.
And I think this is true.
I think Megyn Kelly, it's that thing.
It's that internalized sexism where a lot of, you know, I mean, I've seen this with my mom to some degree where it's like they have internalized the sexism of society and then they think that other women are really stupid or really like victims or whatever.
Yeah.
The idea that what she did, well, she didn't like what was going on around on set.
She was dissatisfied with everything around her on set.
So she decided.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Even as a jokey way to do it, there's no way anyone would do that.
It's so fucking absurd.
This is also the fun contradiction that I keep finding.
They love to set up the power dynamic, but then they also, in order to justify this insane plot, That she has.
They have to forget about that for a moment.
So they set up like, she's all-powerful.
He's a nobody.
And then she was dissatisfied.
So rather than just saying, hey, I'm an all-powerful and you're a nobody, here's what I demand.
Which would have worked.
Like she could have just said, I'm walking unless I'm the director.
Look at me.
I'm the director now.
She literally could have done that.
Absolutely.
No, instead of doing that, she has to incorporate an idiotic and...
Destined to fail plot to make up a bunch of very specific allegations involving other people.
Again, in her mind, if she's making this up, she's adding so many points of failure.
She's adding so many ways that she's going to not only look embarrassed by being a liar, but probably legally liable for smearing someone if she's just making this up.
She's adding all that for nothing.
Yeah, I mean, she's pulling in like lawyers to support her throughout her claims and stuff during production.
And if she's lying in there, like, oh, my God.
Yeah.
Why in the world is that the most reasonable explanation for everything?
It is not.
And they have no theory of mind.
And it's entirely stupid.
OK, well, I'm going to keep making you go crazy because we're going to go to 421 where she's going to talk about the PR that happened leading up to evidence with us.
So they go forward.
We move forward in the story, and she's got to go do PR for the film.
And she goes out in the summer, this past summer, and she had about two minutes of bad PR. The problem for Blake Lively, in my opinion, is that she does not improve upon acquaintance.
And so the more time we got to spend with Blake Lively, the less we liked her, the more her promotional efforts for a film about domestic violence felt off.
She was full of giggles and laughter and wanted to promote her liquor brand.
Nothing says domestic violence like a bottle of tequila.
What?
It's the opposite.
So it felt weird and she started to get picked by some of the media for being insensitive.
Then this one reporter re-upped a video in which...
Sorry, just, I know, just pedantry.
She meant to say, nothing says being against domestic abuse like a tequila thing.
Yes.
Like, she's actually saying the thing she's trying.
Never mind.
Okay, we'll move on.
She interviewed a then-pregnant Blake, a then-eight-month-pregnant Blake.
Oh, here we go.
And kicked off the interview, as you would do as a journalist, if there's something obviously different about somebody physically, by saying, oh, you have such a cute baby bump.
And Blake was taken back.
Sorry, that is the stupidest fucking...
I think that was her just, like...
Honestly, I think that was her vamping.
Like, I don't think she scripted that.
Yeah.
But, like, well, naturally what you would do is you'd pick the first thing that's physically different about someone and start to interview.
Yeah, yeah.
You're black!
Like, what?
Yeah.
I will say, so Blake Lively did do an interview with Martha Stewart, like, the same pregnancy.
And Martha Stewart did kick off the interview by commenting on Blake's pregnancy.
But she did it in a way where she was like, you look different from the last time I saw you, you know?
Have any news you want to share?
Like, it was...
So they discussed it before.
Well, it was, like, more playful.
And it wasn't like, you know, congrats on your baby bump.
It was like, congratulations on getting to have another kid.
I'm sure you're very excited.
It was just framed so differently.
And people like to put that up.
It's a different interview, too.
It's a different kind of interview.
Yes, that's true.
This is a four-minute slot.
And all this frustrates me to no end because even what we're talking about here is on the premise that Blake Lively did something bad.
She literally just said, congrats on your little bump, which is like an off-the-cuff kind of weird thing.
I'll admit, kind of weird.
You comment on my body, I'll comment on your body.
She's sort of expressing like, yeah, okay.
And honestly...
If you watch it, I don't even know how much she was, like, upset.
Like, she actually seems like she just doesn't know what to say, really.
And, like, I think maybe in that moment she probably had a lot of thoughts of, like, her body and her body, you know, like all those things you're talking about that you kind of outlined.
And it's more like she just doesn't really know how to respond.
All of this stuff keeps getting premised on the, like, look, okay, we're trying to excuse the fact that Blake Lively did decapitate her live on air, you know?
She had good reason.
No, she said one nothing thing.
It's nothing.
Yeah.
What did you think about that?
Two minutes of bad PR. Yeah.
Well, I actually thought that was more to our side because it's like, yeah, this wasn't based on anything.
It was like two minutes of nothing and then that.
Cause this massive outrage.
Maybe I misunderstood.
No, no.
I think she's saying two minutes of bad PR and that made Blake like lose her mind.
Like something must be behind this.
Oh, that's what she was saying?
That's her angle, yeah.
I'll trust your interpretation from that since it's your second time.
...different about somebody physically by saying, oh, you have such a cute baby bump.
And Blake was taken aback, even though it was obvious, and said, oh, so do you.
The reporter was not pregnant.
The whole crowd was like, Off with her head!
So, normal people at home who don't care about this woman at all are looking at her like, I don't like her.
She seems like a bully.
She seems like somebody who punches down.
Can you believe that?
Somebody's only trying to do something nice for her.
Coming from a conservative.
Trying to do something nice for her.
Yeah, trying to do something nice for her.
Exactly.
What are you talking about?
It's so stupid.
I really wish we could run the experiment of showing that video with no description just to a bunch of people and be like, I already don't know if that would work because there's so much sexism and the sampling problem of like you're showing it for a reason.
But like, I don't even know, like on a scale of one to ten of how awkward that was.
Like, I think people would say it's like, I mean, it's like a...
Three?
What you could do, though, is kind of what we did with our side-by-side in the last episode, where you prime them with a male version.
I'll give them a number of celebrity interactions and see.
Yeah, exactly.
And then see where it's right here.
Oh, God for you!
Calling Dr. Janessa Seymour.
How can we do this?
How do I not just quote Christian Bale for the rest of life?
I can't believe you hadn't really seen that.
Yeah, not in full.
By the way, I told Lydia we were done professionally.
That's so good.
Oh, I didn't even make that connection.
You didn't make that?
You thought I was just being insane to you?
I thought you were really mad.
No, I thought that was funny.
I literally laughed.
Oh, I was mad.
But then I laughed and was like, that is the funniest thing.
I thought it was because you were like, well, I can't say I'm divorcing you over this.
I mean, it's not like the worst thing to think, but we did literally just watch that.
I know.
Mere hours before that.
Okay.
Continue.
Later, she would describe this as though it was the pile-on against Trump.
Honestly, it's like most of us, especially in Republican politics or the news, this is called Tuesday for us.
It's like, grow up.
You're in the public eye.
You've got probably hundreds of millions thanks to your husband.
Just shut up.
No one cares if you've got a couple of bad articles about you in the Daily Mail.
A couple of bad articles about you in the Daily Mail.
She winds up suing Justin Baldoni.
She files a complaint with the Human Rights Commission out in California saying he sexual harassed me and then he retaliated me by pushing all this bad press about me.
He was behind it because I found his agent, his PR agent's nasty text saying, we can ruin her.
If we have to ruin her, we will.
And those texts do exist.
And Blake Lively went to the New York Times.
And she's entirely right for what she did, but that's not the point.
Poor Blake Lively story.
Oh, we were all wrong about her and her weird PR. She's actually a good person and a Me Too victim.
And then Justin Baldoni did something very smart.
He hired the lawyer who represented me in my fight with NBC News, which ended well.
I'm not mad.
His name is Brian Friedman and he's a legal genius.
He's a legal genius.
God forbid.
Yeah, so Human Rights Commission, that's not what it's called.
Civil Rights Department.
I mean...
Oh, she says human rights?
Yeah, she says the Human Rights Commission.
Yeah, that's pretty off.
Yeah, it's not the first time she says it in this, by the way.
This is a lot for me to take in at once.
Sorry, I'm not catching every intricacy.
I mean, her face is a lot.
I get a little distracted.
And then the condescension when she's describing when the New York Times put out their article, like, oh, poor Blake Lively, like that whole voice that she did there is so gross.
And that the New York Times is like celebrating like that, you know, not only.
Were we wrong about Blake Lively?
But she's also a Me Too victim.
That's something that they are trying to capitalize on.
Go ahead and search for more victims so they can write more pieces.
I don't know if they did a scene like this in Handmaid's Tale, but they should have.
I didn't finish it.
But there should be a scene where they have a handmade comedian who's doing all these jokes for all only men in the audience.
She's making fun of how dumb the other handmaids are.
It's all it is.
Inevitably...
They will come for you, Megyn Kelly.
You already have, by the way.
And she just doesn't care because it's her audience still.
And I mean, we're seeing it here already.
We'll continue to see it in some of the other clips that I have as we continue through this.
But what I'm seeing already is like...
A ton of people in that audience don't know about this.
And so the information that they're getting about this is solely coming from this speech from Megyn Kelly, where she's getting things just blatantly wrong, where it's her specific spin on it, her specific rhetoric on it.
And now these are people who are going to go out into the world.
If they overhear someone talking about this case, they're going to start chiming in with that misinformation.
And it's the beginning of that spread, right?
It's here.
I'm so sorry to do this, but we're at CP. That nobody here was under any risk of getting real information from anyone.
No, I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying, like, it's representative of how this works.
It's just a concentrated group of people, and they're hearing something.
She's exactly doing the anti-woke bullshit we debunk on here.
She's doing it in real time.
Well, she might as well be like, oh, this professor just tried to, you know, do a question about racism, and it's the same thing.
It's all one thing.
And if you want to keep going, she's going to talk a little bit about Brian Friedman, how he's been speaking about the case and what Justin Baldoni's position is.
Oh God, that guy.
And Brian Friedman knows how to fight back against a bully.
Trust me.
And he started telling everybody Justin Baldoni's side.
He told us that Justin Baldoni denied those claims of sexual harassment and only tried to appease Blake Lively because she was such a high-maintenance diva bully brat.
He had to bend over backwards just to get her to shut up and complete the film.
He told us that Justin Baldoni claims she tried to take over his movie because she has a history of saying, okay, I'll be the star, but what I secretly want to do is direct it and edit it and produce it.
I want all the roles for me and only me.
So that is in reference to this interview she did with Forbes that has made the rounds, and Kirstie Flaw presents this video as well on her channel and reorders the clips from it.
When you look at the full interview in context, essentially what people are clinging on to is that Blake Lively says when she does a project, she does want to be involved in these other aspects.
And the way that she used to approach that was she wouldn't be honest from the beginning about wanting to creatively contribute.
She would audition because she just wanted to get cast.
And then she would try and find ways to still creatively contribute and get involved in that direction without being honest and clear from the beginning that that's what is motivating her to participate.
In any other context, the conservatives would be like, wow, real gumption trying to donate free labor in addition to the thing you're doing because bosses are the best and you're helping bosses bottom line.
And she says that's how she used to approach things.
But over the last several years, the way she's been approaching things is it is important to her.
It is valuable to her.
her.
It is part of who she is to creatively be involved in the project she's doing.
And so she's honest about that up front when she's going into audition.
And you can tell that if you're looking through the text messages that even come from Baldoni's side, they are creatively, you know, brainstorming things.
They're texting back and forth about kind of their ideas for these things.
Every step of the way, he's giving her, you know, appreciation for expressing her views and her opinions for creating this piece of art together. - Hey, not for nothing, if you are a woman Doing a film that is directed by a man and his name is all over it and he's branded himself as a feminist.
And explicitly stated in an interview that he was not going to direct it because he thought that it would be more important for a woman to direct it.
Well, sure.
But if that man then sexually harasses you and is a piece of shit and you document it and that all happens within like a week of doing the movie before any of this would have even made sense.
Yeah.
Then I'm going to go ahead and say, like, you're right if you want to take over the movie from a sex creep who's going to get credit for doing, like, a feminist-y movie.
Yeah.
Yes, you would do that.
That's the right choice.
You'd be like, well, I don't want his pause on this thing.
Like, he doesn't deserve that.
He doesn't deserve to, like, get to sanitize his image or, like, to bolster his image as, like, a feminist hero by being this massive part of this movie.
And furthermore...
If he is a piece of shit in the way that Blake Lively alleges and has documented evidence of, then, like, maybe his ideas sucked.
Maybe his ideas for how the movie was to be directed and edited were kind of reflective of his blind spots.
I don't know.
Like, there's a million reasons why you might want to do this.
But not to get into the legal component of it, but the biggest thing here that is so obviously a bad faith argument is the movie did great.
It did absolutely great.
There's no cause for complaint here.
You can't be like, well, she stole it and it did really well.
But I wanted to have my name on it.
That's nothing.
My name on it more than twice.
We know courts only care about the bottom line about stuff.
Did they financially damage you?
You know, it's almost always that.
Not to get into legal analysis, but, like, that's going to be, I guarantee that's going to be a part of this.
Like, what is even your damages, dude?
Like, what are you even saying happened?
All right, you want to keep continuing with this particular clip?
I want full control because I am a controlling bully.
But Justin Baldoni, ultimately, by the time they got to the premiere, was mandated by Blake Lively to spend the night in the basement away from his co-stars and didn't even get to see the final cut of his own movie because Blake Lively insisted that she be the one to approve it until he watched it on the screen with his editors, who also hadn't seen it.
Because her editors finished it up.
Okay.
That's the situation he said.
Stop there, too.
Because, okay, we know that, yes, he did spend the premiere separate from everybody else.
Not by himself.
He had all of his friends and family and stuff.
But there was something that happened.
With regard to the situation that led to expectations from the cast for the premiere.
You can't talk about it or something?
I don't know the details.
It's presented very vaguely in some text messages that we've seen in the complaints, but no details.
Oh, you're saying we don't know that that's already just the whole situation that caused that?
There's something more specific that we don't know?
Well, I think we know that it's tied to the situation, but...
I saw, like, a text alleging that it was, like, Blake demanded—you know, it's colored by who's sending it, right?
Where, like, Blake demanded that they not be together for the premiere.
And I think it's—I want to say it's one of the publicists.
I don't recall it off the top of my head.
I don't have it handy.
But I think there's still some stuff to figure out about that.
You know, he walked the red carpet.
No one took pictures with him, including his co-host from Man Enough, female co-host.
Here's the thing.
This isn't something that would happen unless he sucked.
It just isn't.
I will grant you, I'll go over to their side of the argument a little bit in terms of, I'll grant some ground.
I absolutely imagine that there could be a pressure of, let's say you're a bystander who doesn't really know the details and Blake Lively says that this guy was sexually harassing.
I can absolutely see there's going to be a component of it where people are like, well, look, I don't want to be tied to this guy.
Like, ooh, if there's any chance, you know.
But there's no fucking way that, based on utterly false, completely fabricated allegations, that you could get an entire cast to not even take pictures with the guy after being, like, we have to see, again, under the theory that she made it all up, then that cast all has a positive, different experience with him.
And they all are like, and probably they're seeing her being a piece of shit and making stuff up.
And you're telling me they're all just going to toe the line with that?
They're all just going to do whatever she says?
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
Humans don't work like that.
Yeah.
Also, you know, it says that he wasn't even able to watch the cut of his own movie.
But is that right?
He didn't get to see the final cut until the premiere?
I think so, because they weren't really sure what it was going to look like.
The editors hadn't seen it either because it was being finished by...
Up to the premiere?
That can't be right.
That's my understanding.
And we might get facts that show otherwise.
There's a lot of things that have to happen in between a final cut and when it's ready to be premiering.
I feel like there's a lot of phases.
You can't be like, oh, I'm finishing it up in Final Cut Pro.
There's a lot of stuff that happens.
I'm not sure.
We only have Justin's side of this.
But he did specifically say to the editors, I think he said 95% or 97% are original cut.
Like, she ended up changing things back.
There you go.
Because they were like, how'd the movie turn out that we didn't get to put together that has our names on it?
Well, yeah, they got credit, and he specifically said in the text that it's like 95 or 97% of their original.
I only got to do 97% of them.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So someone else got to have input, sounds like.
All right, let's go to 938, where she's going to jump back into talking more about the litigation piece of this.
But, like, how weird is it that we're here?
Watching a CPAC speech entirely about this shit.
I know.
It's so unserious.
I will tell you.
This is a political party.
I guarantee you this is the least bad CPAC speech to watch.
It's entertaining.
It's about something that I care about instead of some insane conspiracy.
And she has good delivery.
She, I think, is an engaging speaker.
I don't agree with anything she says ever, and some of it's really obnoxious and annoying.
But for that crowd, she's very engaging for them.
It's very clear that that's what's happening.
Now we get into litigation.
She files her human rights campaign.
The movie comes out, it does all right.
He's in the basement for the premiere.
She files her human rights campaign.
And he hires Brian Freeman and countersues her and the New York Times for $400 million, claiming this is a massive defamation.
Okay?
Those are also separate claims.
Drags Ryan Reynolds into it as well.
And now we're off to the races.
And where do things stand now as a result of all this?
Minor point, but the counterclaim against Blake Lively is $400 million, and the claim against the New York Times is $250 million, right?
Oh, okay.
I don't know.
I believe that.
It's all consolidated now, but yeah.
Yeah, I understand.
Blake Lively apparently wanting control of a movie she did not control, wanting to get the camel's nose under the tent as an actress and then take over the entire production, mission creep on steroids, and was shocked, shocked when Justin Baldoni did not want her to do those extra things.
And then when it all blows up, lawsuits and cross lawsuits, and Blake Lively, who I believe thought she would be received or perceived as an Alyssa Milano or Ashley Judd Me Too victim, is instead looking a lot more like Amber Heard.
Yeah.
Sorry, are you cool with those folks?
Are those the good examples for you?
Are the conservatives super in love with those victims?
I'm just curious.
The answer's no.
Unlike the victims that we also bash and don't believe, she's more like this victim we bash and don't believe.
Yeah, and then everybody starts laughing.
Yeah.
When Amber Heard's name brought up.
Yeah.
Horrible.
Some Milano or Ashley Judd Me Too victim is instead looking a lot more like Amber Heard.
How did that work out?
Bad move.
And honestly, to me, the lesson is, A, be a good person.
But B, if you're a Hollywood star or any sort of a public figure, would you just please take your licks in the press and shut up about it?
People have real problems.
They don't give two craps that you had a couple of negative articles written about you in the Daily Mail.
And in her complaint, the thing she's bitching about is that this terrible PR campaign that was opened up against her hurt sales of her liquor brand and her hair care products.
Oh my God.
While this is going on, inflation's like...
Sorry, what did Baldoni's complaint say?
Did he say, oh, no one cares about this because inflation, but I'm suing.
Or did he say...
I want $400 million and $250 million, you know?
Yeah.
Also, that's part of what Blake Lively has to show.
Yeah, it's just part of my legal process.
It's obvious.
Yeah.
And she's acting like what happened was...
We all got a copy of the complaint in the article in our phones like that U2 album that you couldn't get rid of back in whatever year.
That's a reference.
I don't know if you remember.
Nope.
Oh, man.
It was like, what, 2009 or 10 or something where the new iPhone came with the U2 album on it and everyone hated it.
It was so funny.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, she's acting like we all were made to watch with our eyes pried open.
It's a New York Times article and a legal complaint.
That's what she did.
Okay, she could have just done a legal complaint, but it's newsworthy, so it's going to get coverage.
I don't know what you're talking about.
The legal complaint's going to be public, and someone's going to find it, and someone's going to report on it.
That is what it is.
I love how she has to lie it over the part where, and she finds this publicist text or whatever.
It's like, no!
Someone came to her saying, hey, look at this shit.
There's a plot against you to defame you, and I guarantee you...
Megyn Kelly would do the exact same thing, obviously.
She'd be calling Brian Friedman.
It's all just the most arguments of convenience that are such utter bullshit.
Yeah.
And now she pivots the talk to why conservatives are so interested in this.
Might as well be like, and then she was breathing, and she ate lunch.
Like, she just, like, put food in her mouth.
And, like, can you believe that?
There's inflation.
Can you believe that she then, she drove a car?
They just pick every single thing and then take a stance that it's this negative thing.
It's so stupid.
It's the cruelest, idiotic thing to do.
You know that if anyone did it to you, it would be just as effective.
That's a good sign that you're not on the side of right.
This isn't some justified takedown.
This is all based on the goal of taking someone down and then finding the facts later.
Fitting in whatever you think you can.
Oh, and then she's saying they cost her hair care, Brent.
Yeah, that's what you would have to say in a fucking complaint.
Yeah.
Moron, what did you say about your complaint?
Oh, they deprived me of my $69 million.
Like, there's inflation.
Like, we should care about your $69 million, Megyn Kelly?
Was there no coverage of that?
Was there any news coverage of that, Megyn Kelly?
Did you do any interviews about that?
I don't know.
But I think the reason that conservatives are so interested in this is a couple of fold.
Number one, you seem to be watching the unwrapping of a public figure.
Like, the unspooling.
You know you've caught someone in what you believe is a lie.
And that's how I feel.
And it's amazing to see it told and to kind of gone down the lane.
Like, okay, maybe, here we go.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow, because Baldoni's released these text messages.
She says he inappropriately smelled my neck when we were doing a scene.
Then you see the scene.
They're dancing, they're caressing, they're making out.
It's like, but the neck thing was too much when he smelled it?
They went in my trailer when I was breastfeeding my baby.
You're like, that's disgusting.
What's wrong with these people?
Then you see his text message where she says, come on over to my trailer.
I'm breastfeeding baby, but it's fine.
Is that what she said?
Yeah, she says his weird producing partner showed me porn.
I'm like, these people are freaks.
Then you see what he actually says he showed her, the producing partner, which was she was filming a birth scene in the movie and it was a still shot of a water birth his wife had at home.
You can't see anything x-rated.
I can't wait to do that on Gigi.
It's a PG photo.
You can't see anything at all.
It's like artistic.
It made me wish I had a water birth.
Yeah, so...
That's a still shot.
Even in your own thing.
Yeah, the still shot is not what Blake Lively was shown.
Yeah.
I can't wait to do this on Gigi.
I've been waiting for this one because it's the stupidest fucking argument.
She claims that she was shown a video by him that was like a full-on naked mother birthing a baby.
Yeah.
Because it was.
Because, again, the point of what he was trying to show is we're doing this birthing scene.
And then he says, no, here's my proof.
And it's a screenshot from when the baby was born.
Yeah.
After the baby was born.
Like, we know that's not what you showed because that's not even what you said you were trying to show her.
That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah.
The scene was about labor and delivering a baby.
So you wouldn't show just a picture of them sitting with the baby.
That's already after that.
So naturally, what obviously happened is they went to a part that was the least offensive in the film, in the video, and took a freeze frame.
You can even tell in the freeze frame she's not wearing anything.
Yeah.
She's just being covered by the baby and the guy.
Yeah, and that's not even to get into the fact that this was after they had already filmed the birth scene that he presented her with this.
Oh, it was?
Yeah.
Yeah, it was like the next day or something.
I'm pretty positive that they had already filmed it, and then they were like, this is what we were thinking about, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And also, the birth scene for that movie is in a hospital, not a water birth.
They're very different.
So how is that helpful?
For figuring out how you're going to approach a hospital scene where you're in a bed and not a pool of water.
They're so different.
They are so different.
So, yeah, it's just silly.
Yeah, the smelling her neck, even though they're like, you see the video and they're caressing, they're making out.
No, they aren't.
It's explicitly not what's happening there.
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff you can get over on Gigi and these debunks, but yeah, she's just misrepresenting it all.
Every single claim is misrepresented.
The part that's over here is why conservatives should care, but she's just described like, well, there's because there's someone who lied.
It's like, well, everyone cares about that.
I don't know what this is about.
Other than it's that you get to go after a woman and take her down relentlessly.
She's become like an avatar.
For leftist overreach in a different, special way.
I really believe this is why so many people on the right are kind of into this story.
Just kind of want to see how it ends.
Will it end as it ended for us on November 5th?
Because we were pretty happy with how that went.
Right?
Or is it going to be something else?
I mean, only time will tell.
Can't even get an applause out of that.
But it's bringing up, like, room to explore the past ten years.
I think the audience is like, this woman's been talking for a long time.
Or at least the beginnings of the end.
By winning.
So the bully thing.
What was one of the biggest stories this past year?
Daniel Penny.
Right?
You guys know who that is.
I don't.
I don't.
Daniel Penny stood up for others on the New York City subway when there was a crazed man who was out of his mind on drugs threatening to kill people and got him in a chokehold and the man ultimately later passed and he got charged by that.
Insane crank.
Boy, that's a very euphemistic way of saying.
And this guy got him in his sights with his guns.
And anyway, then later the guy passed from bullet wounds.
But it wasn't him.
Got him in a chokehold and then later he passed.
No, he choked the guy to death for an excessively long time.
Like a disturbing...
He murdered a guy with his bare hands for no reason.
That one is sickening.
Like, it's just absolutely sickening.
I thought, is she saying that was this year?
That was a while ago.
2024 was the trial, yeah.
Yeah, I was going to say, that was at least a few years ago, I think.
Oh, no.
I think it was 2023. I think it was pretty quick.
...passed, and he got charged by that insane crank Alvin Bragg.
Yeah.
And had to defend himself against criminal charges.
You'd have to be insane to charge a guy for murder for murdering.
No, he deserves it.
So, Daniel Penny got bullied by Alvin Bragg and the media, which did not stand up for him either.
There was Nick Sandman.
Remember him?
Okay, wait.
I want to pause before we get to Nick Sandman.
So what actually happened with Daniel Penny, like she's saying, you know, like wrongfully attacked, maligned by Alvin Bragg and the media and stuff for this thing that he did.
Actually, what happened, it's not like he was just...
Let go, like, oh, we're so sorry.
We got it completely wrong, et cetera, et cetera.
Like, he went to trial.
He was in front of a jury.
And the jury deliberated for four days on the manslaughter charge.
They ended up not being able to figure out, like, come to an agreement there.
So the judge allowed them to then deliberate on the lesser charge, which is criminally negligent homicide.
And they spent just an hour on that.
And I'm not totally sure how they landed on that verdict.
I don't know if you guys covered this.
No.
But yeah, they were deadlocked on manslaughter, which was the higher charge.
But then they were able to return a verdict on negligent homicide and found him not guilty of that.
What?
I don't know.
That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, it is a little confusing.
And it probably has to do with the jury instructions and the specific elements of those charges.
Yeah, just wasn't making sense.
Topic for another time, yeah.
But, you know, Daniel Penny, what's he up to now?
He got hired by Andreessen Horowitz, so.
To do some murdering?
Yeah.
Hey, we need some murdering around here.
Oh, you're qualified.
Jordan Neely's dad, Jordan Neely is the man that Daniel Penny murdered.
He has filed a civil suit, so we'll see kind of what happens there.
God, I hope that works.
Yeah, yeah.
All right, we can continue and talk about Nick Sandman now.
Sandman.
Yeah, you'll remember this.
There was Nick Sandman.
Remember him?
Look, I love how you guys know these names.
You're my people.
Nick Sandman goes out there in front of the Supreme Court to stand up for life, and CNN portrays him as this villain, as this smirking, crappy, arrogant villain.
Is this from 50 years ago?
Look at him, and he's sneering at a Native American who's just there minding his own business.
Totally the opposite.
Totally opposite.
Going through a list of grievances from, like, the past five years that have nothing to do with anything?
Yes.
Oh, my God.
And we're going to listen to them.
What did I do to you?
By the Native American who was dancing aggressively in his face and getting up on him and mocking him.
No, no.
That's why.
That's not.
Hold on.
Even by, like, his story, that's not what happened.
What are you talking about?
Yeah, rewriting history right now.
Yeah, but it's also unnecessary.
Okay, I'm going from memory.
You tell me if I'm wrong.
Because he looks like a smirky little shit and he was being there being a smirky little shit with a Trump hat, people assumed he was harassing the Native American man.
The Native American man was like, oh, I was just trying to kind of calm everyone down.
And so I was doing this stuff.
Nowhere in that was like, actually, the Native American man was harassing.
That was never part of it.
It was...
Is he being a piece of shit or not?
It had nothing to do.
There was never any part of it that was like the Native American man was actually the harasser.
Well, I think Megyn Kelly is characterizing it in that way because it's another way to flip the narrative.
Like the press got it exactly backwards kind of thing.
And also, I think it's her.
Being culturally insensitive.
Like, I think, like, you know, he's singing a song that she doesn't know in a language she doesn't know and dancing in a way that she doesn't understand.
And that must mean scary, right?
Like, I think that is probably what she saw when that happened.
Dancing aggressively in his face and getting up on him and mocking him.
That's why CNN had to pay him in a defamation case.
Okay.
So I want to pause there.
I'm going to do some quick fact checking here.
So she's like very excited that, you know, CNN paid him in a defamation case.
There was actually a total of $1.25 billion in lawsuits that Nick Salmon was pursuing against various media entities.
They were defamation lawsuits.
A number of them were dismissed in July 2022, the ones against Gannett, The New York Times, Rolling Stone, ABC, and CBS. And in those orders, when they dismissed those defamation lawsuits, they said that reported statements were, quote, objectively unverifiable and thus constitutionally protected opinions.
Now, Sandman's attorney has said that they want to appeal that.
That seems ridiculous to me.
He did not go to...
Is that what she said?
No, but she said CNN paid him or whatever.
It was a settlement, right?
To be fair, that is a big victory for him because anything like this, I think there was some mistakes in reporting here or something and whatever.
I don't remember, but if there weren't, it's highly unlikely they would have paid anybody because journalistic outlets until this very year with Trump and then...
powering and just paying them off.
They used to vigorously protect this because it's one of those like you can't negotiate with terrorists because once once one gets a settlement, they're all going to get sued, you know, under that same kind of theory.
And so they usually fight these tooth and nail and they don't often settle other legal feuds.
You might settle just because it's like, all right, get get rid of this.
But like this would just invite much more so.
There must have been something they did wrong.
Something they got wrong.
Yeah, so it was CNN and Washington Post that settled in 2020, and then NBC also settled their suit in 2021. But the vast majority of the defamation lawsuits were dismissed in July 2022. Okay, can keep playing.
Oh, can I? Yes.
Joy.
Kyle Rittenhouse.
Fucking A. Kyle Rittenhouse tried to do what the Biden administration would not.
Murder?
Why would they do that?
It did not go well.
I remember Biden being like, God, I tried to go to Wisconsin and protect a neighboring town.
Couldn't get flight.
Yeah, I couldn't do it.
He had all his fatigues on, like, I was ready to go.
He wound up shooting three guys.
He was acquitted on all charges.
But before we knew much at all about that case, Joe Biden got out there as he was running for president.
This happened prior to...
And say, hey, maybe don't shoot protesters.
...as he was running for president and called Kyle Rittenhouse a white supremacist.
He did?
There was zero evidence of this.
The kid was 18 years old.
He's got the possible next, at that point possible, ultimately, yes, president of the United States telling everyone he's a white supremacist, something for which he never apologized, Joe Biden.
There was no evidence of that, none.
Did he?
September 2020, Biden tweeted a video.
That included Rittenhouse carrying a rifle with the caption, There's no other way to put it.
The president of the United States refused to disavow white supremacists on the debate stage last night.
The video was meant to criticize then-president Donald Trump.
Was there like other people in the video or was it literally just him?
Oh no, it shows Charlottesville.
It shows a picture of Kyle Rittenhouse.
Oh yeah, I'll snopes it here.
It says mostly true, strongly suggested he was a white supremacist or at least closely associated with white supremacists and or militia groups.
He did not explicitly describe Rittenhouse as a white supremacist.
Yeah.
Okay.
But he suggested it or something.
By retweeting a video, which, you know, is Trump ever held to that standard?
No.
So.
Wait, can we look up?
Is he a white supremacist though?
Is that?
Yeah, let me type it in.
likes to bully people who are weak.
He's a kid.
Now he's on trial for triple homicide in one case, and you think it's a great time to pile on him publicly as the possible next president?
There's something wrong with that.
Something's off about a guy in a party that does it and supports it.
And so the bully nature of the left has been on full display.
I just want to add in some context with the Kyle Rittenhouse piece.
So he was found not guilty.
And from my understanding, the key was there are a couple of things.
His testimony and that humanized him for the jury.
This is like legal analysts reporting on this.
And it let him explain.
His use of force and why he decided to do his use of force, right?
So the jury ultimately felt at the end of the day that the self-defense claim was stronger than the provocation claim.
Some state witnesses also helped this claim, like they weren't super strong.
This has nothing to do with white supremacy.
Yeah, I'm just saying, like, it's not that, like, the media got it wrong or that the left is being unreasonable here.
Like, there are other explanations for how this stuff shakes out the way it shakes out.
You know, like, prosecutors took missteps.
Jury instructions really focused on the term reasonable.
Well, yeah, and also juries are racist sometimes.
So, like, I think one of the victims was black, right?
I can't remember.
But anyway, they're going to prioritize white kid.
Saying he's so sorry and he didn't mean to do any of that.
Also gun rights in that area too.
That's really important to a lot of folks who live in specific areas of the United States and they're going to be keeping that in mind.
O.J. Simpson was acquitted.
If any reporter was like, well, I mean, I think he did it.
It's not like you are committing slander.
It's like, we all know he did it.
He was acquitted.
That doesn't mean he didn't do it.
Also, I think what is demonstrative here is that all of these people got to have their due process and or I guess not in Nick Sandman's case, like he pursued defamation is a separate thing, but they were afforded the right in the justice system, which, you know, is a topic for another day and debate for another day.
But they participated in the system that conservatives say works.
And from their perspective, it worked here.
Yeah, they're talking about a bunch of people who want...
Sandman's probably set for life.
You know, like, it's a bunch of people who are fine and won, but had things said about them.
I think Sandman is the most sympathetic case, because I do think...
Mostly we just looked at his stupid face and we're like, this guy sucks because he's wearing a Trump hat.
He actually wasn't.
I mean, he was a kid.
Yeah.
It's like standard punchable high school kid.
Yeah, exactly.
Not any more or less punchable than most white conservative high school kids.
But all the other ones are all murders, right?
Yeah.
We're all talking about literally killers.
People died because of them.
And I'm disgusted by the killers now being celebrated by the right.
It's one thing if you want to say, well, I think letter to the law, okay, maybe this guy should.
Have gotten off on this, like, defense claim.
You know, it's one thing if you want to be like that.
Yeah, it's like, I'm not surprised.
It doesn't mean you then have to worship them.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
You're like, well, you got lucky, but you're kind of a murderer, so no.
Yeah, Daniel Penny specifically is revered.
That's so bad.
He is revered.
That's so disgusting.
Yeah.
To close this out, I just want to go to 1811. We're going to talk a little bit more about that media.
So does the Republican Party.
It's too much.
It's overreach.
And then, inevitably, when you call them out on the nonsense, when you send Elon in there with Doge and the Doge tech guys and they start kicking the tires, they play the victim.
Just like Blake Lively.
How dare you?
I'm subjected to all these stories, right?
You're subjected to the stories because you did something wrong.
And that's the way the media and the world works and because you deserve it.
So we're tired of their games.
The games are outdated.
The tactics are outdated.
They're old and they're tired.
That's your thesis statement?
It's like she had to find a way to justify telling this whole story.
And she's like, ah, so loosely speaking, the media sucks or something.
So that's the thing.
It's like this has really taken over her brain like it's taken over ours, right?
Like we're on the same page there anyway.
So I think like when she was preparing for CPAC, she was probably like, well, I can talk about this.
So, okay.
I might as well get my money's worth over here.
I've already prepped this one.
I think I can do it.
I mean, honestly, I get it.
Yeah, I get it.
I wouldn't prep a CPAC speech either.
But it really is that the left and the media gaslight the right.
They've been doing it for the last 10 years.
And now we're finally starting to see an end of it.
And she believes we'll continue to see an end of it in the Lively Baldoni case.
And Baldoni will come out victorious.
All right.
Well, yeah, put your marker down.
I disagree.
Yeah.
There we go.
CPAC. Wow.
That is...
What a weird...
Incredible.
...thing.
Yeah.
I mean, it's like every other anti-woke bullshit.
It's a spooky story to share around the fucking anti-woke campfire.
That's exactly what it is.
And then, Blake Lively, there was a hook hanging from the back of the Blake Lively movie.
Ah!
Yeah.
That's all it is.
Yeah.
Fucking people.
All right.
Well, thanks so much for listening.
Thanks, Lydia, for taking us through that.
Although no thanks for me having to actually not just hear Megyn Kelly, but look at her, which is disturbing.
I know.
Talk about a spooky story.
She chose poorly.
She did.
We will see you next time.
That's all I'm good for.
Thanks so much for listening, and again, I hope you check out Gabble Gabble, but if you don't, that's okay.
