WTW42: Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, and Tom MacDonald All Walk Into a Grift...
Part 1! After *Rap Icon* Ben Shapiro made his simultaneous debut and retirement in Tom MacDonald's "Facts" last month, Jordan Peterson realized what the public needed was an incredibly overwrought and bull shitty analysis of these very simple lyrics. Before we get to that, though, we take a look at the characters. Who is Tom MacDonald and how much does he suck? Could he have ever just been a normal musician? We all know Ben Shapiro, but do you know about his claimed musicianship? That's the subject of a BONUS, look for that later. And finally, Jordan Peterson himself. Is he still a clinical psychologist? Is any amount of authoritarian tolerance enough for him to be beautiful? And more! Feel free to email us at lydia@seriouspod.com or thomas@seriouspod.com! Please pretty please consider becoming a patron at patreon.com/wherethereswoke!
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Hello, and welcome to Where There's Woke.
This is episode 42.
I'm your host, Thomas Smith, and that's my host wife.
Host wife.
Why have we never said that before?
How's it going, host wife?
Of Thomas, yeah.
I'm doing okay because we watched something that made me feel like I was going insane.
Oh, it's the best.
Literally insane.
I want to tell you folks something.
Here's how good this fucking root material is.
This subject matter on which we are basing this episode.
You may have noticed that so far this month of Where There's Woke, you know, Lydia has been handling things along with, of course, Matt, because Opening Arguments is back and I've been focused on this.
And then we get to this video.
This video is so good that I was like, I will clone myself in order to be able to cover this because I can't not.
And I started going down the research rabbit hole and it's so good.
God, I fucking love it so much.
That's how good.
I don't have the time.
I have borrowed time like, you know, like the Fed or something.
I don't know.
Like we're the United States.
And rates are really bad right now.
I'm printing time and it doesn't exist.
And then somehow later on, I'll owe it back.
But it's worth it because this is that good.
This is the best.
It's so good that one of my notes, I was looking back at this from when we were watching it the first time, and one of my notes was just in all caps, I am worried about this person.
Yeah.
So here's the thing, Jordan Peterson.
If you couldn't guess.
I'm sure people have already seen the title.
Yeah.
Where do we, what?
I don't know.
Where do you even start?
It's impossible.
It's impossible.
Okay.
I don't know if people know this, but way back in the day, I've kind of mentioned it here and there, but it's hard to keep track of where I've said what and who knows what, but way back in the day, I was around for this, for this.
I was there 10,000 years ago when Jordan Peterson first cropped up.
I know a lot of everybody was, but, but, but a lot of people weren't, you know, it's actually been, God, fucking eight years now.
And not in the podcasting space necessarily.
It's been eight years pretty much since, and maybe a little more since he popped up.
And he popped up in the context of being a transphobe.
I'm not going to go down that route.
And there were a bunch of people, listeners of my show even, who swore that this guy was amazing.
He's the best.
He's a genius.
I even, I should go look this up.
I don't remember where it is.
I think it's in my Twitter account I don't use anymore.
But there was a guy who offered to pay me, I don't know, $500 to read Jordan Pearson's book.
Do you remember that?
Did I tell you about that?
Yeah, I should go back now.
I actually thought of that.
I was like, maybe I could find this person and see like, are you still a true believer?
Because again, this was an atheist and it wasn't immediately apparent.
People are so bad at this.
They're so bad at going back and recognizing what they knew at the time.
I've done the same thing with Sam Harris.
I know I mentioned that a lot, but like, I thought I saw through Sam Harris earlier than I did.
But then I go back and I look at the years and I'm like, oh shit, I was still into Sam Harris.
Maybe, not like, you know, not like yesterday, obviously, but it was like a year later than I thought, you know?
I think I was giving myself a little more.
You go back and rewrite your history a little bit and you kind of rewrite like, okay, when I first was suspicious, Then that's when you rewrite yourself to be like, yeah, I saw through the whole thing.
But it's like, you know, so I think that happens with Jordan Peterson because at first people didn't know he was a religious nut.
There wasn't much known about him.
You know, obviously information was available, but in terms of just like what people were seeing, what info people were getting about Jordan Peterson.
And specifically my audience at the time, which is, you know, it was mainly atheists, mostly people on the left.
But as we saw, there was a significant group of atheists who were kind of, uh, I won't say they were right wingers per se.
They might've turned out to be, but many of them were just anti what we would have called at the time, anti PC or anti regressive left was, was around that time.
It wasn't called woke yet commonly.
So they loved this guy's.
They love that Jordan Peterson was out there speaking truth to power, which they really think it's that.
Like they've convinced themselves that the powerful are trans people who just want you to use their pronouns.
And the weakling is this very wealthy professor, psychologist, like that's the underdog.
And then the real just punching up is just him sticking it to the trans people.
I guess with the Ricky Gervais thing last month, there's a bit of a theme there.
Oh, yeah.
And so anyway, Jordan Peterson is a classic guru.
He's a classic cult leader.
Like, he really is.
Yeah.
He says incredibly mundane things, but he has a real talent for language.
Like, he really does.
He can generate massive amounts of language very quickly.
And he makes excellent use of religious imagery.
Imagery.
Yeah, exactly.
And like classical literature allusions.
So it sounds really impressive.
And he's very good at that.
Like he generates so much language so quickly that I think it overwhelms people and it makes a certain percentage of people think, well, he must be a genius.
Like if he's saying things that I can't keep up with, like that means he's super smart, right?
But if all he's doing is fundamentally just giving you a pretty simple message, then it's not, it doesn't always mean it's bad.
It just doesn't necessarily mean he's a genius.
You know, he might have a rhetorical gift, but it doesn't mean the underlying message is right.
Like that's the, the overarching theme of, of what I wanted to cover in this.
That's like the thing to keep an eye on.
And so that guy was like, yeah, if you read his book, I'm telling you, he's a genius.
And I think, I believe this person really believed that.
They were willing, they were like, how much money?
I'll pay you so much money to read this book.
And I was like, I don't, I'm not doing that.
He's, I'm not, first of all, it's a book.
I'm not reading a book.
Secondly, I, there's no way, like, I know this guy.
It's, he's not some hidden genius.
You and I have consumed a lot of the Keith Raniere cult stuff.
Yeah.
And it's the same thing.
I think it's like that kind of cult leader.
JBP does not play volleyball though.
No, no.
I can look at him right now and I can tell.
But part of the effectiveness of cult leaders like that is like, if they can speak in a way that's hard to understand, it just gives their followers the license to be like, this is so genius.
And it's easy to be like, hey, if you don't get it, that's because you're missing something.
You know?
And it's like, it perpetuates itself because all of the people following him are fully incentivized the longer it goes on to convince themselves and to convince each other like, yeah, this guy, he's a genius.
Everything he says is genius.
And when someone is very rhetorically gifted and speaks in an incredibly obtuse way, you know, in a very authoritative way, if you notice how he speaks, it's incredibly authoritative.
Mm-hmm.
I find it grating as hell because personally, I think I see through it pretty easily.
I always have.
I never believed him for a second.
But like to people who are susceptible to it or to people who agree with him, it comes across as like this guy authoritatively knows what he's talking about.
And there's a confidence there.
Ooh, there's a, talking about authoritarianism, there's a bit of a nexus there.
Ah, Nexus.
Isn't that the name of the other cult?
No, what was it?
Nexium?
Nexium.
Nexium?
Okay.
It's all connected.
See, I'm doing the Jordan Peterson thing.
It's brilliant connections linguistically that actually don't mean anything.
No, but the authoritarianism thing actually does mean something because specifically, as we're going to talk about, there are correlations with authoritarian personality traits and right-wing politics and all that.
And those types of people are very attracted to somebody like this who speaks very authoritatively, incredibly morally black and white.
Oh, yeah.
It feels like a sermon, right?
Like you feel called by his words.
He's a preacher.
I was going to make that comparison too.
It's totally true.
He's a preacher.
He's more unpleasant than any preacher I ever had.
But I also was in the kind of the loosey-goosey Christian churches.
I wasn't in like fire and brimstone ones.
So your mileage may vary there.
I'm sure people who had those like awful preachers who were just about people going to hell and stuff.
But like he is very much a preacher.
I would like to go to Andrew Scott's, wherever he practices.
From Fleabag Season 2?
Timely.
Hot Priest.
Andrew Scott's always timely, please.
Lydia was raised without religion, so that's the closest thing in her brain that she could grasp onto that was like, I know religion, it's Hot Priest from Fleabag Season 2.
Yeah, that's what everyone is talking about when they talk about religion, right?
You know, it would be a better world, hon, if everyone was like that.
All this was to say that, like, this is an interesting show for us to do, Where There's Woke, because a lot of these shows have a lot of success being very dedicated to, like, one person, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, and they evolve.
They do other stuff like these shows.
It's not to at all denigrate the shows, but I have a really hard time with anything repetitive or monotonous.
And so what I tend to do is be like, oh, Jordan Peterson, he's an idiot.
I wrote him off eight years ago.
I never listened to him again.
But There's a trade-off because I'm missing a goldmine.
And part of me when I watched this video, I was like, oh, I should have paid attention to him more.
And this show is a little bit about finding that trade-off because it's all good fun.
I don't think my approach of like, oh, that person sucks.
Don't need to listen to them forever.
I actually don't think that's the best approach because you could be missing good stuff too.
Like I could just be wrong about someone.
I'm not wrong about Jordan Peterson, but you know, you never know.
And so in watching this video, I was like, oh, what have I missed?
And all that is to say, I don't know if the audience will know way more about Jordan Pierce than than I do at this point, if they've like paid closer attention.
I've dug up some very interesting things, but I hope they're not old news.
They weren't old news to me.
And I'll just have to assume there's enough people listening to whom they won't be old news.
But if there's some other podcast people listen to, that's like Jordan Pearson all the time, every single video breakdown of that, then I worry that like, oh, OK, this is going to be old news to them.
Who knows?
Well, it won't be to me, so lay it on me.
Yep, iPodcast to an audience of one, baby.
So how did we come across this?
Do you remember?
I stumbled on this.
It was either my Google alert that I have every day for this kind of stuff or Reddit.
It might have been Reddit.
Huh.
Weird.
Well, anyway, I don't remember.
However it happened, we started watching this video.
We referenced, in a previous episode, in last month's News Roundup, we talked about, last minute, it was a last minute addition by me, the best rap song ever made, Facts, by Tom McDonald and Ben Shapiro.
Yeah, which had a John Ralphio-esque cadence to it that I particularly enjoyed.
And that rap song is the funniest thing ever.
It's so stupid.
But it's also, honestly, it's kind of business genius because everybody wants to laugh at it.
And they're just getting views.
It's very smart.
If nothing else, Ben Shapiro is smart about being an online personality.
Yes.
I think he knows how to get attention.
And I'm sad to report that in my research I've discovered I think he's a little more self-aware than I would have hoped.
You know?
He actually knows what he's doing with a lot of this.
It doesn't mean, don't confuse that with him not believing what he says.
I actually think he believes what he says pretty much.
But I think he also Like all the clips.
Well, I'm probably not going to go into it, so I'll just say it now.
You know, all the times where he's like reading the rap lyrics, you know, and like, you know, WAP and all those.
And when I came across those, it's always someone else quoting it and being like, look at this fucking dork reading his rap lyrics.
But I think he knows that that's what it is.
That it's going to be used for that.
Yeah, I saw a video of him talking about it, and I got the indication that it's like, okay, well, I would rather he not be self-aware in that way, but I think he is.
Yeah, it's just calculated.
Yeah, he just wants to get views.
He knows how to get views.
He knows how to get attention.
Yeah, well.
And yeah, he is good at that.
So, I think this rap song is the stupidest fucking idiot thing I've ever heard of, and it's hilarious, and it's a self-parody, but it's also very smart business-wise, and it did very well.
And that was that.
We were kind of like, oh, it's not worth doing more on that song, even though it's, God, it's so bad.
Until we saw this video, which you, I guess, found.
I don't, now I have no fucking idea, but one of us found, probably you.
It was me.
And it's okay.
You found, if you're confident, then I believe you.
That is Jordan Peterson, his YouTube channel.
He's got 7.75 million subscribers.
Pretty healthy.
And it's a psychological breakdown of a rap song.
And he's obviously talking about this rap song.
I don't know.
Why would you do that in the title?
Why don't you just title it facts to try to get that SEO?
Hmm.
Interesting.
Yeah.
Who knows?
For some reason he didn't, but it's 51 minutes and it's a psychological breakdown, according to him, of that Ben Shapiro, Tom McDonald song.
And for some reason we started watching it and it's instant classic.
It's the best.
And so I'm still in the fucking preamble here because I started watching it and then that was when we were like, okay, we could do this for Dub T Dub.
And then the more I watched it, the more I was like, I want to, first of all, this is my new religion.
This is the best thing ever.
In an ironic way, yeah.
No, I appreciate how fucking insane this guy is.
It's glory to behold.
He's so good at his shtick.
I love a good shtick, you know?
I love a good culty shtick.
I appreciate a good cult.
Jordan B. Peterson is absolutely a cult leader.
He just doesn't have a physical cult.
I think if he did, we would see the documentary where they all killed themselves or Netflix would be covering it.
But because it's an online cult, those can go on a while, I think.
We'll see.
Anyway, I go into this video.
I start researching stuff.
I have so much to tell you about Tom McDonald and Ben Shapiro.
And then I get one minute into this fucking Jordan Peterson video and he said so many things that I have to fact check and then lead to other things that like that's going to be a separate thing.
And then I have another secret bonus thing planned for Ben Shapiro that is my new favorite thing ever.
I'm delighted by this.
Patreon.com slash brother as well.
Yeah.
Don't worry.
I'll give you more info later.
So this video is the subject of the episode, but we're probably going to get all of one minute into it and then we'll have to transition to something.
But before we get into that, let's talk about the other characters here because, uh, I didn't know anything about Tom McDonald.
Did you know anything about Tom McDonald?
Not really.
No.
Okay.
I assumed that maybe he was like a normal rapper and then didn't find success and then... Oh, and then went anti-woke?
Yeah.
That's what I assumed because that's usually what it is, but he's been anti-woke rap from day one.
Yeah.
He was apparently, he tried to be a professional wrestler at some point and didn't make it.
There's just like one line in his Wikipedia that I found interesting.
But no, his rap early on, it's incredibly anti-woke, which was, again, not exactly what I was expecting.
Why?
I think he has absorbed a lot of these talking points and believes them.
So I wanted to go through some hits.
It's not as though this is his first anti-woke rodeo by a long shot.
Here's one of his early ones, and this is six years ago, so 2018.
His songs are very formulaic music-wise, which everyone's are.
It's not really a knock on him.
But I only say that because we can pretty much play every video until the chorus and hear the chorus and then that's enough, you know?
You'll see what I mean.
This one's called White Boy.
Oh, I should describe the scene.
He's in a classroom taught by a black man.
Some sort of adult education class?
I don't know what it would be.
But that's the setting.
So picture, this is 2018, so this, I imagine, is like peak discourse on like colleges or what or something.
This is just classic nobody colon blank.
And then Tom McDonald.
I cannot feel guilty for that I didn't do.
But I can understand the reasons why you think that I should.
Yeah, I'm white, but I never put your neck in no noose.
Oh my god.
I don't know why it's censored actually.
I don't know why it's censored actually.
White boy, white noise.
I can't say it with my white voice.
White boys, white lies.
Don't tell me how to see it through my white eyes.
Like, where does this come from?
The amount of victim narrative that he has, the victim complex over being white.
This is his first album that I see in his wiki.
I mean, he had some like mixtapes or some crap or whatever.
I don't know how anything works.
Again, it wasn't as though he was like a normal mainstream guy and then was like, you know, let me try a different thing.
And here's the other thing that I hate that I have to say right now.
Now, I have never particularly been a fan of rap.
I don't really know anything about it.
I don't have an opinion on it because it's not music that I care about.
So I'm not saying it's good or bad.
I don't know.
But he's actually pretty good.
Just musically.
I have no fucking idea about rap.
I know nothing about that.
I'm making no opinion on his rapping per se, but like musically and production wise, he does a really good job of like writing just enough like catchy melody for each chorus and making interesting sounds.
It's actually frustrating to admit, but he is actually good at it.
Here's another one.
I don't know if you'll notice a theme, but this one is called straight white male.
This is from, looks like the next album.
So we're in, we're in 2019 territory here.
And this one, he's in like an orange jumpsuit in a witness box or something.
Like he's being, again, talking about the persecution complex.
It's called straight white male.
And he's already appearing like he's under arrest for being a straight white male.
Like that's literally the imagery we're going with.
He's in an orange jumpsuit.
He's on trial for being a straight white male.
Let's listen through to this chorus.
Straight white male.
Hate myself.
Mad that my skin so pale.
Got white privilege so I cannot fail.
The world told me I'm evil still.
I break the law but I escape the jail.
My diet only mayonnaise and kale.
I went to school and I pay my taxes.
I use good grammar.
I'm bad as hell.
I'm not a Nazi.
I like black people.
Black Jesus.
Black Santa.
Black coffin.
I'm not a racist.
I like Hispanics and Negroes and Natives and Asians.
Black power says I'm the problem.
Girl power says I'm the issue.
Gay rights think I'm trying to stop them.
I'll let y'all trip and I'll get you some tissues.
Y'all have been painting me villainous.
I'm not the one setting fire to your villages.
I'm not the man that is raping and pillaging.
I do not care if my neighbors are immigrants.
Maybe all whites look the same and you think that I'm somebody else.
So it's cool.
Honestly, I think that everyone looks alike if they aren't white and I'm sorry, it's true.
Straight white man.
I have it all.
I'm the one that you love to hate.
Straight white man.
Yeah.
Interesting.
There are elements in there I definitely hear, like, Eminem a little bit.
You know, just some rap commentary.
Oh, he's a big fan of Eminem.
Yeah, I can, like, hear some of that in there.
Oh, that's funny.
And then, honestly, like, some of that I heard, ironically, maybe, like a little childish Gambino.
There's a little bit of it where you're like, if it was ironic, and that's why, again, Facts is actually that way too, where like, if someone did it as a joke, it's hilarious.
Like if that was like, oh, I'm going to make fun of the concept of right wing music and rat, it'd be hilarious.
Again, it's a John Raffio thing, right?
Like if it were on an episode of Parks and Rec, like mouse rat, right?
Like we'd be like, oh my God, this is amazing.
And let's listen to it, because it's so stupid.
It's funny.
There are people, including, by the way, the actor, there's a black actor that was the teacher in the last video and is also in this one somewhere.
There was a publication that interviewed him.
It was like, hey, why are you doing these videos?
And I swear, this is a coping mechanism for so many people.
He was like, yeah, he doesn't really believe it.
He's not really racist.
I think he just likes to, you know, get a rise out of everyone.
I'm so sick of that fucking point of view.
It doesn't...
I feel like we come across this from all sides all the time.
People on the right believe that no one believes what they're saying on the right and people on the left believes that no one believes what they're saying on the right.
Yeah.
I don't know why.
Like, I think it's like there's a version of it, I'll say, that is trying to still like someone, even though they say right wing stuff.
So there's a version of it that's like, yeah, he doesn't really believe that stuff.
He's being funny.
You know, people did that with Joe Rogan forever.
People did that with, you know, basically everybody.
Yeah.
It's like, no, he doesn't.
He doesn't really believe that stuff.
It's meant to be provocative, right?
It's meant to get us thinking.
And then for some reason, and Eli is a huge proponent of this point of view, my co-host dad on Dear Old Dads and his other shows.
You can say boyfriend, it's fine.
For legal reasons, I can't say that.
He loves to say that people on the right, like these personalities, don't believe what they're saying.
And he probably, I think he has some personal experience that tells him that, and I think he's probably accurate in that judgment.
He like met somebody and it was clear they didn't believe what they were saying.
He's told the story somewhere, like a major personality.
He doesn't say who, but anyway.
But I just hate living like that.
Like maybe I'm naive because I always say what I mean all the time.
I can't imagine other people not doing that.
It just seems like How would you live like that?
It just seems horrible.
Like, I don't know.
So maybe I probably overcorrect the other way where I think everyone's telling their truth all the time.
Honestly, but even if that were true, that they don't mean what they say, like, I don't know that that helps.
Oh, no, it doesn't.
They're still willing to say these horrible things.
In some ways, it's worse.
Exactly.
And that's the next point to get to, which is it really doesn't matter.
Yeah.
The fact that it's like, oh, you don't understand, Tom McDonald, he's not really a racist.
And I feel for that black actor who's like, hey, man, I'm an actor trying to get paid to act.
Yeah.
It's like, all right, I guess tell yourself the story you need to tell yourself to feel good about it, you know?
But Tom McDonald is pretty fucking consistent from day one.
He has this Yeah.
- Complex about him, he's probably absorbed so much right-wing bullshit that like, he thinks white men are like this persecuted group.
There's nothing more consistent in the fucking earth than that message from this guy's music.
Like it's everywhere.
So at what point does it matter if he doesn't truly believe that or something?
Like, I can't distinguish that.
So what does it matter?
He's just constantly putting out that message and everyone in the comments is like, God, totally, totally.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yeah.
Love it.
Love it.
Yeah.
28,000 comments on this particular video.
Straight white male.
14 million views.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Very popular stuff in the right wing sphere.
So I don't care whether he believes it or not.
OK, here's a weird one.
There is actually one song that I came across.
I don't know if there are more.
I haven't gone through every one of his songs, but there's one that I came across that doesn't seem to be right wing.
OK.
It's really weird.
It's like actually weirdly like it might be good.
I don't know.
OK, just listen to this.
You're struggling here.
This has 43 million views.
Oh, my God.
I want you to forget everything you know about this.
Like, do your best right now.
Everybody listen.
Forget who I'm talking about.
Pretend I'm just telling you about some random new artist.
Well, I was four years old, but whatever.
Some random new-ish artist.
Yeah.
And they have a song.
Forget everything you know.
I'm serious.
Like, I'm bad with rap, so I can't judge what's good or bad rap.
But this is mostly melodic, so it's not really rap, I don't think, for most of it.
There's some weird rap parts, but we'll probably not get that far in this one.
Mama I got bad news, bad news I've been rolling with some bad dudes, bad dudes I've been trying to get a bag to, a bag to I'm just doing what I have to, I have to I said mama I got bad news, bad moods Every day, brand new Tattoos on my face, sad dude With a head full of rain I just wanna make it rain Mama I will be okay I feel like I might break right now.
I feel like making a mistake right now.
I just need a cake right now.
I blow out all the candles in my brains right now.
I'm so tired of flexing.
I got a minor confession.
Like I might die from depression.
I look good on the gram.
But you know anyone can.
I'll keep it grand.
Mama, I got bad news.
Bad news.
I've been rolling with some bad news.
Yeah, this is a good song.
I'm sorry.
It's really good?
It's a good song.
I don't know what to tell you people.
I didn't know any of this about anything.
Play the rest of it.
It's a good song.
Here I am in the, like I'm doing this research.
I've got, this is the, like the fourth one I've gone through in my list.
Like, Oh, I'll go through and get the examples of the videos.
And what I was doing is kind of going through chronologically a little bit.
And then I was like, Oh, maybe I should just check what his most popular one was.
And so this is his most popular, 43 million views.
That's his most popular one.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Again, it's older, but it's not like his first thing.
So it's like his third album maybe or something.
And it's also seems to be a collaboration with people I have no idea about.
It says Tom McDonald featuring, I don't know this fucking shit where I'm so old.
God, I'm so old.
I don't understand music now.
I'm sorry.
Tom McDonald and Mad Child featuring Nova Rockefeller.
Don't know any of those people.
Wait, I think Nova is his girlfriend.
Yeah, yeah.
OK.
OK.
No, I've come across that.
Nova is his partner.
I don't know if they're married or not, but she does all the videos.
Oh, that's cool.
It is cool until you remember that every single one except this one is like Nazi propaganda.
So, you know.
But this one is good.
And then what's funny is what happens is whoever these other people are, I guess it must be Madchild, he starts rapping and he has like the weirdest fucking voice ever.
So it turns into, I don't, I don't know what that guy's deal is, but it's, it turns a little weird.
Interesting.
But the point is, here I am, I'm watching this right wing garbage monster, just, oh, this every single video, so dumb.
Oh, I'm a white male and whatever.
And then this song starts playing.
I put, he'll play on this video and I'm 20 seconds in.
I'm like, am I, am I feeling emotional about this?
I was like, this isn't even a genre of music I like.
Yeah.
But like, it's this is it's a good song, man.
Like it's actually if this were all he had done and I didn't know anything else about him.
Yeah.
It's like genuinely a moving song because he's talking about like depression and he's talking about he's talking about a lot of serious stuff.
And you know, what actually is a little bit weirdly nice to see is every single comment on this one is all people genuinely enjoying the song.
Oh, that's nice.
Yeah, it's interesting.
There's nobody who's like, I'd rather see your Nazi shit.
Yeah.
There's just a whole bunch of people being like, this is amazing.
Like this one really spoke to me kind of thing.
Yeah.
There's so much like, oh, my, you know, my son committed suicide this year and I've connected to the like, it's, it's so what the fuck is happening?
I don't know.
It's like, just do this, man.
Like just do this stuff.
That's cool.
It's the most popular anyway.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, and maybe it's the kind of thing where I don't know if it's because of the collaboration.
I don't know if the other person's popular.
I don't fucking know anything at all now.
Cause again, I'm a hundred years old.
So then after that, I, I kept going down the list and just to, just to cleanse our palate here, this one's called fake woke.
Of course.
I think it's crazy.
Yeah.
I'm the one who they labeled as controversial and Cardi B is the role model for 12 year old girls There's rappers pushing Xanax at the top of the billboard, but if I mentioned race in a song, I'm scared I'll get killed for it.
It's backwards.
It's getting exponentially dumb.
It's more difficult to get a job than purchase a gun And yeah, can I just say he does this in a number of songs where again He's the right-wing rapper and he's like yeah, it's easier to get maybe it's just Canadian coming through Oh yeah, yeah.
Or he's like, it's harder to get a job than it is to purchase a gun.
And you're like, wait, yeah, I agree with that point.
What are you talking, do you think that's, you think it's the right wing point?
Like, that's a completely left wing take.
You're right, let's fix it.
Yeah.
Not only do people on the left want people to have good jobs, but they also don't want guns.
So that's like a double lefty take.
He makes that point a number of times in different right-wing Nazi propaganda videos.
Well, he is Canadian.
I know, I really think that could be what it is.
Well, you're not American.
Yeah, what?
He doesn't want fans if they voted for Trump.
We're ashamed to be American.
You should probably.
Well, you're not American.
Yeah.
What?
That's interesting.
Yeah, that one's kind of boring.
Here's the last one, and this one features an argument so stupid I had to write a note about it.
Like, I was just like, alright, I'll do one more just to kind of take a survey of this music.
This one's called People So Stupid.
Oh boy, here we go.
There you go!
Can't get a doobie on a plane.
Well, yeah, it's a plane.
Is that what you said?
You're not gonna be allowed to smoke on it anyway.
Is that your talking point?
Oh, is it that you can't bring one?
Oh, travel with marijuana?
But specifically a doobie though.
You know who won't let you travel with marijuana?
Yeah.
Conservatives.
Exactly.
But also the gun message again, the Uzi in schools.
It's like, all right, man, who's your audience?
Okay, this image right now is, it's like, this is a fake news broadcast bullshit thing.
And it's man crucified for having opinion.
And he is standing in front of a cross like he's being crucified.
Yeah.
Again, the persecution complex is insane.
Like it is, it is so fucking crazy.
I grew up watching South Park.
How are we offended?
Now being fat is beautiful.
Name a thing that you can't do?
Jumping jacks, run a mile, live past 42.
Man, it used to be cool to just flip a bird to the system.
And now it's trendy to be triggered and pretend you're a victim It's my race, it's my weight, it's because I'm a Christian I hate the internet and anyone who has an opinion I'm sorry.
I'd be angry if you say white.
Okay, fine.
Pass me the brush and I'll paint my face to the shades right.
Let's talk about abortion.
Sorry, tell me how this works.
Bacteria is life on Mars, but a heartbeat isn't life on Earth?
Weird.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
Bacteria is life on Mars, but a heartbeat isn't life on Earth.
Nobody says that a heartbeat isn't life.
No one says that.
You know where bacteria is also life?
On Earth.
Like what's the Mars part?
Why is that?
Like he thinks he has this gotcha.
I'm sorry.
If your song is called people so stupid, you got to have good gotchas.
You can't just be like the worst arguer in the world.
Do you care about killing bacteria?
No.
Do you use Lysol wipes?
Yeah, bacteria, yeah, that is life.
Do you wash your hands?
Yeah.
A fetus, also life.
It's just not a person yet, in my opinion, and also there's a million other philosophical concerns there.
Bodily autonomy matters.
That's the worst fucking argument ever.
Yeah, unless Mars is also life and bacteria has taken over the planet.
Well, but even so, I would say Mars has a right to planetary autonomy.
Mars can get rid of that bacteria.
But like, I know this might sound like quibbling, but then just listen to it come into the chorus here.
It's like, you can't make that argument and then go, oh, you're so stupid.
Literally everyone else on earth but me.
You're so dumb.
But that chorus by itself, I could picture myself blasting that in my car and having the time of my life.
If this was parody, if this was Lonely Island, we're in.
We're 100% in.
Yeah.
This fucking guy.
It's too bad.
Yeah.
So that's Tom McDonald.
So then I start to do the Ben Shapiro part of this, where I'm like, all right, I wanted to talk about those Tom McDonald songs, because Jesus Christ, what a victim.
And I was like, all right, what does one say about Ben Shapiro that hasn't already been said?
Like, everything's been said.
You know, I mean, the obvious points for this one are everywhere where he said rap music isn't music.
And if you think it is, you're stupid.
Actually, here's the thing to say.
I recognize a lot of my former self in Ben Shapiro, which is the worst thing I've ever said.
Yeah.
No, but it's true.
The correlation between going after rap music as not music and being a conservative who's also probably a little bit racist, at least.
Yeah.
That's real.
And I feel like that was me when I was a kid, you know?
Yeah.
Rap music was equivalent to black people.
And so I think it was more than a little problematic to just, that's a type of music that I hate.
Now, here's the thing.
I never grew to like rap music, but I realized that my opinion on it doesn't matter.
So that's why I've tried to present it in a way of like, I don't have an opinion on this because I just, I grew up not listening to it.
I don't claim to understand what's good or not about it.
So.
I hope that that comes across in the way that I intend, which is I'm not going to pretend that I like it or understand it because I don't.
I just don't.
But my opinion doesn't matter.
It's not for you.
Yeah, it's not for me.
Plenty of music that's not for me.
Country music is not for me, but I'm happy to say it sucks because I understand country music.
I understand how bad it is.
Fully understand it.
It sucks.
It's a modern country anyway.
But yeah, I hope that comes across.
And I would say that Ben Shapiro is a big reason that I don't know how, again, this will be one of those things where I don't know if I'll remember when this change came about.
Maybe it'll be more recently than I would hope to admit.
But seeing Ben Shapiro be like 17-year-old me, it's an indictment of Ben Shapiro.
I think he really is 17-year-old a lot of conservatives.
He's a 17-year-old dude in a lot of sense.
His voice, too.
It's like a 17-year-old's voice.
But seeing him do this shtick of like, ah, it's not music, rap music, it's not real music.
I'm like, oh, God, was that what I sounded like?
Oh, fuck.
Oh, God.
That's so racist.
Why didn't I know it back then?
That was really bad.
That's something I did want to kind of admit when seeing Ben Shapiro talk about rap.
That is a big reason why I tried to make that change in my life.
And then And then, OK, here's what I'm going to do.
I'm just going to tease for you what's going to be the bonus thing.
And it's the it's it's the best.
It's the best.
I don't know when this will be out.
The bonus thing will probably be like third in the order here.
We'll see.
Yeah.
Well, let me let Jordan Peterson set up his little video.
And I think that'll launch me into what I was going to say.
Hi everybody!
So, as you may or may not know, although most people know if they're vaguely awake, Ben Shapiro and Tom McDonald have the number one song in the world at the moment.
And it's very comical because it's a rap song and just the idea of Ben Shapiro doing rap hip-hop is comical.
It's so funny.
Hip-hop.
God, it's the best.
This guy.
Okay.
I wasn't ready to get into this video, but see, this is why I can't get into anything.
16 seconds in, there's 40 things to say.
For one, just keep in mind with Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro as well, everything in their fucking persona and character and vocabulary, everything has to be geared toward appearing to be smarter than they are at all times.
And it's so funny.
Just a small example.
Maybe it's nitpicky.
But like, he has to say comical.
He says, oh, it's so comical.
Oh, it's very comical.
He says comical like four times.
He can't just say like, yeah, it was really funny.
It was hilarious.
Because that's what I, an idiot, would say.
I can say that.
I can say something's funny because I'm just an idiot.
But a smart person says, oh, it's very comical.
It's so comical.
He references that thesaurus in his brain, right?
Because he can't just say the word that is most readily used.
He has to come up with the synonym that is a little fancier.
Yeah.
Actually, I'm realizing I said a little bit about this kind of thing in the, in the live stream for top patrons the other day.
That was so much fun.
Ah, love you folks.
That was amazing.
But like I very much in my life, my entire life always had the opposite priority.
Like I feel like trying to sound smarter than you are is fake, but as a consequence, I sound really dumb and Jordan Peterson sounds really smart.
And that's just something I have to live with.
I just have to live with it.
And then also, I just have to point out that he said it's the number one song in the world, which was never true.
It was the number one on iTunes for like a minute.
But the thing he puts up, like the graphic that goes up behind him is just number one song in America.
Like even his own graphic, like he couldn't find one that confirmed his lie.
I just had to point that out.
Hey, before you continue, though, I just have one note.
I feel seen because when he said anyone who's vaguely awake That's me.
I am vaguely awake.
You are.
Your two modes are asleep or vaguely awake.
Yeah.
So when he said that, yeah, I felt really appreciated.
Yeah.
Okay.
Fact check.
We'll give him credit for that one.
You were vaguely awake and you were aware of this song.
True.
So there you go.
know if they're vaguely awake.
It's very comical.
Ben Shapiro and Tom McDonald have the number one song in the world at the moment, and it's very comical because it's a rap song, and just the idea of Ben Shapiro doing rap hip-hop is comical in and of itself.
It's even more comical because, you know, he's been a critic of that particular genre.
So it's very interesting to watch Ben step out of his presuppositions, let's say.
And also his domain of previous competence, although he is a musician.
So I hear, and later in this video, he references him as being a classically trained musician.
Yeah, he shows a picture, doesn't he?
Classically trained.
Yeah.
Oh, and so I, a musician, though not classically trained, whatever the fuck that means.
I latched onto that.
And I have heard that vaguely, but I've never cared enough to research it until now, baby.
And this set me down a path.
Well, I had to know.
I just wanted to know because we're finally talking about music and this has come up a bunch with this Ben Shapiro rap video.
His snobbery and he's like, I'm classically trained.
And I was like, all right, fine.
I'm going to look into this.
Are you a musician?
And so I started Googling and I was just kind of looking for some stuff here and there.
And one of the first things that came up, okay, here's what I'm doing.
I, this is a teaser folks.
This is a teaser.
I can't launch into this now.
And I know nothing about this.
I'm going to strap myself down so that I don't launch in.
Yeah, Lydia knows nothing about this.
I'm going to play for you what is to me and anyone else who knows music, probably one of the funniest fucking clips I've ever heard in my life.
And I'm not going to go into it because that'll be the bonus.
I have so much on this that I'm just going to do for patrons.
But here you go, hon.
You ready for this?
I'm ready.
It sounds like a seventh.
An octave is, in music, an octave is non-dissonant.
A seventh is that weird feeling that you get when somebody is playing an A and almost an octave up, they are playing a note that is one below the octave.
It sounds terrible.
It's actually called the devil in music.
Quick music theory lesson there for you.
But it sounds dissonant.
It doesn't sound correct.
So here is Trump talking about joys.
He leaves the Oval Office and all conservatives across the land shaking their heads.
Wow.
It's so good.
Every second of that video is funny, and I can't wait to go into why.
And it also led down... There is actually a debunk in this bonus.
It's a debunk of... And it's just a myth.
Ben Shapiro does reference it there, but it's also... I don't blame him for that.
Just in general, it's a myth.
Yeah, it's a commonly referenced thing that is just not true.
Did you find any youth recitals of his?
I did.
I actually did.
Oh, it's not hard.
It's on YouTube.
But like, oh, my God, referencing being classically trained.
And so when I saw this, I was like, well, no, you're not like that.
That's stupid.
Like there's no one who is classically trained, quote unquote, would talk about music in this way.
Yeah.
But then I was like, am I being too harsh?
Maybe he's now 30.
I think he's two years older than me.
So he's now whatever that is.
Thirty nine or something.
I was like, ah, maybe it's been a while, you know, maybe doesn't remember his theory.
Here's another weird thing about the video.
Well, no, I'm not going to go into it.
Yeah.
- Yeah, I can't go into it. - You gotta sign up at patreon.com/wherethere'swook. - God, I found there's literally a video of him when he was 12 that we're gonna go through.
There's a video of him recently that we're gonna go through. - Oh my God, so excited about that. - And we're gonna talk about a music myth that he, again, I don't particularly blame him for this, but like now that I've looked into any of this, I of course have to talk about this stupid fucking myth
And not for nothing though, if I were to try to distill one of the important messages for the main show here, not the bonus, is being obsessed with quote-unquote classical music and classics and all that is about as racist as you might think if you're a listener to this show.
It really is.
It's the kind of thing that It's just like saying Western philosophy or Western blah, blah, blah, or enlightenment values or whatever.
It's just code for white people.
It's all it is.
And what I love is when someone like me who knows a thing or two about music and is wise to these racist talking points and to these like ways of disguising it, it makes it so abundantly clear how not smart you actually are when you talk about Western classical blah, blah, blah.
Like it sounds smart.
To the average person, they're like, yeah, classically trained.
Wow.
The classics.
Those are smart.
Plato.
Aristotle.
Smart.
Smartness.
But then I hear him talk about music theory.
And I'm like, oh no, you don't know what the hell you're talking about at all.
And it's part of the facade.
Like it's all part of the I'm so smart facade.
Man, that makes me so uncomfortable.
That's all I'm going to say on that for now.
So that's Ben Shapiro.
And now Jordan Peterson.
So we're not even going to get to the video.
And I know I played.
Hold on.
How much did I play?
I played 30 seconds of it.
I was going to say 26 seconds.
30 seconds of it.
Admittedly, there is another like 30 seconds I can play before we get to our first thing.
But I'm not going to because there's a different thing I want to talk about, which is I've set up the characters a little bit.
I've set up Ben Shapiro, I've set up Tom McDonald, and I've also set up Jordan Peterson.
However, there's another thing I want to put here because I think it's a good place for it, even though it's a little out of order.
He makes an offhanded comment in this video.
Okay.
I'm just going to go ahead and I'll play the comment.
Again, I'm cheating.
This is six minutes and 29 seconds into the video.
We're never going to get that far.
Don't worry.
We'll never really get that far.
But I want to play this because I found it, it just stuck out.
I was like, what's that about?
Here, let's listen.
So, uh, I wouldn't recommend that, you know, as a clinical psychologist, which I still am, by the way.
It's like, what is that?
Do you know about that?
Yeah.
I had picked up on some of this through like osmosis or whatever online that there were calls for his licensure coming into question, right?
Like because of his positions on certain things and stuff, but I did not follow it super closely.
Yeah, so I hadn't followed that at all, and so I looked into it a little, and we've got ourselves a court document to read.
And it's Canadian, so I don't know how... I'm not doing a law breakdown, but I'm just reading it.
I don't know a lot about American law, so there you go.
No, I'm just reading this for the background and the fact pattern kind of thing.
So, Jordan Peterson, who is very proudly saying that he's still a clinical psychologist, The reason he made that comment was, here's the thing about being a clinical psychologist, is the only reason that's worth fucking anything, and this goes for, I don't know, being a lawyer or being a whatever, a doctor or whatever, is because there's some sort of organization that's in charge of letting people know, like, yes, that person is a legitimate ex.
Licensed to practice.
Licensed.
Exactly.
That's a great word for it.
He's licensed.
And God, the narcissism of this guy just knows no bounds.
Like it truly does not.
The amount that he thinks he's above every single rule ever made is the weirdest.
It's so hard to understand why people don't see that as anything other than being a fucking asshole.
So many people worship him for this.
All I see is, oh, so you're just an asshole who thinks the rules don't apply to you in any way, shape or form?
And he'll often lecture people about how they ought to stop being so individual and get along with society and follow the rules, you know.
Oh, men and women are different.
You got to follow the rules of society to be able to blah, blah, blah.
You know, it's like until it's a licensing board is saying, hey, you got to follow our rules to have a license.
And he's like, this is a fucking dystopia.
This is an outrage.
It's really pathetic.
So here's a little bit of background.
I'm not going to read the whole thing, but Peterson has been registered with the college and that's the College of Psychologists of Ontario.
So that's who is in charge of him having a license, I suppose.
The board.
Yeah.
And so it says he's been registered with the college as a clinical psychologist since 1999.
Okay, so at least he was a real vet.
Give him credit.
However, oh, do you know this?
If you could guess, when did he last see a patient?
In 2015.
Oh, that's a very good guess.
However, he stopped seeing patients in 2017 and no longer has a clinical practice.
Rather, as his counsel described him in their written submissions, quote, he's a prolific author, podcaster, and YouTube content producer.
I was going to say, he's too busy making videos.
Who maintains an active social media presence.
In his social and political commentary, Dr. Peterson is often colorful and controversial.
Nevertheless, Dr. Peterson maintains his membership in the college and refers to himself in his public statements as a clinical psychologist.
So that's apparently very important to him.
And now we have, since at least 2018, I like the at least, the college has received complaints about Dr. Peterson's public statements.
Some complaints have been formal, but many were tweeted to the college via the social media platform.
Often involve Dr. Peterson's views on topics of social and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So the categories are being transphobic, racism, you know, overpopulation and COVID-19 among others.
So we won't go through all of them, but they outlined some of the complaints.
And I love this.
Again, this is very Canadian slash it's also seems to be how these things work.
Cause like in the same way that you cannot fucking ever get disbarred apparently.
The first response to these complaints in 2020, following an investigation, by the way, the ICRC concluded with the following advice, quote, As a registered member of the college and in light of your public profile, you may wish to offer your opinions and comments in a respectful tone in order to avoid a negative perception toward the profession of psychology.
That's it.
That was their first thing.
Hey, sorry, but can you be respectful when you're being a transphobic racist piece of shit?
And of course, Jordan Peterson said, ah, how dare you?
I will not, you know, it's just like, he can't even accept that.
Yeah.
And then they get way more complaints, of course.
Some of the stuff is like, all right, I actually don't care that much.
Like he responded to somebody complaining about overpopulation by saying you're free to leave at any point.
I guess, you know, implying like go kill yourself, I guess, but like not.
Oh yeah.
I don't know.
Like, honestly, that one for Twitter, like, honestly, that in Twitter speak, that's like kind of gentle.
I didn't really care about that.
There's plenty more to be upset about, but they list a bunch of stuff here.
So here's one.
Various comments Dr. Peterson made on a January 25th appearance on the podcast The Joe Rogan Experience.
Dr. Peterson is identified as a clinical psychologist and spoke about a, quote, vindictive client whose complaint about him was a pack of lies.
Speaking about... So that's bad.
I feel like if you're a clinical psychologist and you're like, yeah, I have this vindictive client who's a liar.
Yeah, that's problematic.
Yeah, like maybe that's not like... I would think the board that is in charge of licensing you would be able to have an opinion on that, I think.
That seems valid to me.
And then, burying the lead here, it says this, speaking about air pollution and child deaths, Dr. Peterson said, quote, it's just poor children and the world has too many people on it anyways.
Oh my god.
Yeah, I don't know if that's some joke or out of context, I didn't check, but just go fuck yourself.
Like the minute anyone ever talks about children dying as anything other than complete tragedy, you should just fucking go fuck yourself as hard as can possibly be.
I have no tolerance for that whatsoever.
It's awful and evil and you can just go fuck yourself.
Did these children choose to be born poor, you fucking asshole?
I don't care how many bootstraps you believe in, like, the children are children, so fuck off.
I know this whole thing is like, everyone's responsible for how they were born, but like, fuck off.
Anyway, lots more annoying shit, he sucks.
Oh my god, but I have- do you know- okay.
I just want to send you this one, I don't- I'm sure you already know this, but just in case you don't, I just have to send you this tweet.
Okay.
Because this is one of my favorite things ever.
I saw this in real time when it happened and it was the funniest thing I've ever fucking seen and I'll never get over it.
I received a link.
I am clicking the link.
The website formerly known as Twitter has loaded and he has opinions about the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
Yeah.
Do you remember this?
Yeah, I do remember this.
Oh God, it's so good.
This is model Yumi Nu, looks like, and she is plus size.
And he says, sorry, not beautiful.
And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to change that.
Sorry, not beautiful.
This is from May 16th, 2022.
Can you believe it's been almost two years?
Wow.
And you say plus size.
This is just a normal person.
Like, I don't understand.
Yeah, sorry, I'm thinking like model speak, right?
Yeah, model speak for plus size means completely normal-ass human being who looks great, by the way.
And this is so fucking funny to me because I saw this in real time back when I guess I was still on Twitter and I see the swimsuit model.
I'm like, oh, she's absolutely hot.
Objectively speaking, there's no way anyone would ever think she's not.
Not only that, here's the other funny thing that I instantly thought was, don't these dumb fucks always have like the whole, you know, well, evolutionarily blah, blah, blah.
And like every single thing I've ever read about anything suggests that like wanting women to weigh 70 pounds is a recent thing.
Like, I don't think that that's like, An evolutionarily driven thing.
Like, I think, if anything, this model looks much more like the quote-unquote classic conception of beauty that I would think this idiot would be into.
Yeah.
But he literally, I mean, sorry, not beautiful.
Because she looks like she can bear children.
Yeah, exactly.
She's just normal.
Like, I'll be honest, she just looks normal and great.
No amount of authoritarian tolerance That's crazy.
Authoritarian tolerance.
Oh my gosh.
Someone tweeted, someone replied, you know, and said, the replies are amazing.
How's this related to authoritarians?
Yeah.
Here's what I love about the replies, which I was also going to go into.
Yeah.
I haven't found the reply I saw at the time because Twitter is a mess and who God knows if it could be deleted, could be not there.
Who knows?
Who knows?
But I saw at the time and I actually felt for this guy.
And you can still see these comments underneath this tweet to this day.
People who are fans of Jordan Peterson.
And there was one I remember that was like, hey, man, I'm a big fan of yours, but like my wife looks like this and I think she's really hot.
Can you please like not say this?
You know, and I remember just in that moment, I know it's a Jordan Peterson fan, so we can only have so much sympathy, but I remember feeling for that guy being like, yeah, man, duh, because this isn't some authoritarian project to make you accept some hideous thing as beautiful.
It's like, nah, she just looks fine.
Looks good.
On the cover of a magazine.
Yeah.
Magazines dare to allow people who have, again, I don't want to body shame anybody.
Not that being skinny, there's nothing wrong with being skinny, but choose someone.
No, it's just all different body shapes and sizes.
Yeah.
Whereas before you had to be a certain body type to be on a magazine.
It's nice that sometimes people are like, yeah, well, it's still terrible, but like we've made progress in being like, hey, here's someone who we're going to call plus size, which I think is insane.
Who's just like an average body type.
But it's progress, I guess, again.
That's what I love about this tweet is so many people are like, hey, I love you, man.
You've really inspired me.
But like, what?
Oh my God.
Someone said, honestly, this took a lot of confidence to tweet considering your face.
I appreciate that.
There's also some good owns.
Yeah.
But like, here's one.
Dr. Peterson, I respect you and you've changed my life reading your books, but you do not determine what beauty is.
This is an awful tweet.
Another one.
Dude, she's hot.
There's so many.
Oh, here's a good one.
This tweet was a mistake.
Been a listener since the very beginning, five plus years ago.
This tweet is disappointing and unnecessary.
The critics are justified this time, Dr. Peterson.
I fail to see... I love this.
These fucking dorks.
I fail to see how this is a meaningful or precise tweet.
Oh my gosh.
Precise.
Fucking stupid.
God.
Oh, amazing.
What an asshole.
Colossal asshole.
Sorry.
Not beautiful.
Yeah.
And of course that spawned so many memes.
Like it's just incredible.
Like you just put that description with like so many different things.
Oh, it's just the best.
It's just the best.
There's other good photos from that shoot.
She's great.
Someone's saying tweet another of the photos and said, this is the ideal female body.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Oh, good stuff.
So I forgot about that and it was referenced in this court document as one of the complaints and it goes on and on and on.
Lots of complaints, lots of complaints.
I'm going to cut to the chase and let you know that this court thingy I'm reading is a good court thingy because he appealed whatever thing it was to the Canadian court and the Canadian court was like, no, fuck you.
Yeah.
Court document was like, yeah, no, you got to listen to the fucking licensing board that's in charge of that.
Like that's seems like a pretty basic, forget everything else.
That seems like a pretty basic economic transaction just to go all like conservative for a moment.
They get to be in charge of that and set regulations so that I, a potential customer can see, ah, this person is licensed by this board.
That must mean something.
That must mean they... at least something.
And for him to treat that like it's some... it's Trumpian.
Like the rules just do not apply to this fucking guy.
He originally tweeted out what they wanted him to do and it's like he has to do like a course on not being a fucking asshole and he has to pay for it and...
Right.
I don't even know, like, he probably has to violate shit ten more times before anything happens, because it's too lenient.
This kind of stuff is too lenient.
Oh, but re-education, right?
Well, okay, here you go.
Here's his post after losing this decision.
A higher court in Canada has ruled that the Ontario College of Psychologists indeed has the right to sentence me to a re-education camp.
There are no other legal avenues open to me now.
It's capitulate to the petty bureaucrats and the adult-pated woke mob or lose my professional license.
Congratulations, CP Ontario.
You won this round.
Mark my words, however, the war has barely started.
There is nothing you can take from me that I'm unwilling to lose.
So watch out.
Seriously, you have been warned.
Oh my god.
That was only a month ago.
Disney villain.
Like, it's just so ridiculous.
He's insane.
Like, he's just insane.
My comment in my notes, then, is holding up great, right?
Like, I am genuinely concerned about him.
I also wrote, like, this man is not well.
All that being said, let's go into this video until I have to stop it for part two.
And scream.
Ready?
See how far we get into this.
On with the analysis.
They call me offensive, controversial.
It's only two genders, boys and girls.
Okay.
Well, the first thing we might point out here with regards to use of language is that Tom does use genders.
And I think that's actually a, what would you say?
That's an interpretive mistake because he should have used sexist.
I can't tell you how serious his face is.
Deadly serious.
- The rap that the leftists have laid with regards to language utilization.
They're very, very good at occupying the linguistic terrain.
There are a variety of temperaments, and that's easy to get confused with gender, and that's part of the reason we have the problem we have.
And sexes would have worked, because it's also a two-syllable word, and it's a minor critique, but in some ways, it seems peccayoon, which means minor.
Thank you.
You said minor four times and then you're like, and it seems which also means minor, by the way, just in case.
That's like when I write, when I would like write papers and stuff in Microsoft Word, and I'd be like, I'm using this word so many times.
Let me right click and do a synonym for it so I can switch it up.
It's all geared toward sounding as smart as possible.
But he dumbs it down for us dumbs by saying, it's minor, it's minor.
And it's also picayune, which means minor.
It isn't.
It's more important than that because if you let your political opponents gain the linguistic territory, then they win.
Right, you can't.
Once you use their words, they win.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I mean, all of this is just him finding things to say.
Like, this is an hour.
This video is 51 minutes.
I cannot tell you how not worth 51 minutes the lyrics of this rap video are.
They're nothing.
They're absolutely nothing.
But it's almost like he's playing a game of like, how much output can I do from nothing?
You know, like it's an improv game.
But that commits him to making really stupid points over and over.
So, like, he's saying you should have used sexes and not gender.
At first, it's like, OK, I think he's making that point because it's a little more defensible to say there's only two sexes.
Like, that's a little more biological and maybe you can defend that claim better.
And saying genders is kind of a misstep.
But then he says the reason, though, the reason why, again, Tom McDonald, who is anti-woke here, The reason he should use sexes is because we've occupied the linguistic terrain.
If you let your political opponents gain the linguistic territory, then they win.
Okay, well then, wouldn't you want to use gender?
Hmm.
Interesting.
If you're going to not use gender, then you are ceding the linguistic terrain.
The proper anti-woke thing to say would be like, no, I'm committing to gender because I'm not going to cede that word to them.
And I'm going to just say there's only two genders.
So like in an effort to spend 51 minutes on nothing, he just makes really stupid fucking points.
And that's most of it.
So we're not going to go through all of it.
Let's see how much further we can get here.
Once you use their words, they win.
So that's something for everybody to keep in mind.
You can't cancel my message because I'm the biggest independent rapper in the whole freaking world.
Claim that I'm racist, yeah, all right.
I'm not ashamed because I'm white.
If every Caucasian's a bigot, I guess every Muslim's a terrorist.
Every liberal is right.
So with regards to every Caucasian being a bigot and his claim that then therefore every Muslim is a terrorist and every liberal is right, which is definitely not correct, especially if you're talking about the progressive mob.
I just have to point out first how awkward that fucking those lines are.
Okay.
If every Caucasian is a bigot, I guess every Muslim is a terrorist.
Okay.
First off, nobody says every Caucasian is a bigot.
Nope.
Like again, his entire rap career, except for that one good song is just nobody, nothing.
Stop saying I'm racist because I'm white.
Like, that's this whole thing.
Nobody says that.
Nobody says that.
We've gone on how many years of this?
10 years?
Actually, it goes back to slavery, by the way.
But like, you know, white people have been complaining about being the real victims forever, like since the 1800s, at least.
but like even in just our kind of lifetimes of this current movement at least a decade of you think everyone who's white is racist and every time being like no no one thinks everyone is racist because they're white whiteness is a concept it's kind of racist and that's it's not the same thing it's like How many times do we have to clarify this?
Yeah.
But like, okay, forgetting that for a moment.
I'll accept your shitty right-wing lyric of, if every Caucasian's a bigot, I guess every Muslim's a terrorist.
Okay.
Wow.
Great.
Amazing lyric.
And then he says, every liberal is right.
And it's like, what is the structure there?
The formula is if every certain identity is bad thing, then other identity is bad thing.
But then he switches to like, every liberal is a good thing.
So it like switches, like the wording suggests that you're arguing or talking to a liberal.
You know, like, you're arguing against liberal points, so, like, why would you say that?
You wouldn't say, like, if every Caucasian's a bigot, then I guess every liberal is right, because a liberal would be like, well, uh, yes, I don't, okay, I guess, that's a weird thing to say, I don't, not only that, it doesn't really work, because being liberal is like an ideology, so why would some of them be right, but others not be right?
Like, what would, it's just this, I guess that's technically could be true, it's such a fucking awkward, shitty lyric.
So dumb.
Anyway, then we get to what launched a thousand ships or whatever the fuck here, because here I'm going to tease part two with this.
The fundamental problem with the, there's a variety of fundamental problems with the woke algorithm, reductive algorithm or ideology that Ben and Tom are criticizing.
We did research back in 2016 looking at politically correct authoritarianism, and that was back when psychologists were just starting to analyze left-wing authoritarianism.
Interesting.
And we found that the best predictors of being a left-wing authoritarian were being not verbally intelligent.
That was a walloping predictor.
It was the variable most closely associated with intelligence that I had ever seen, including grades.
And so, If you're not very bright, the woke ideology is very attractive to you.
The second best predictor was being female.
The third best predictor was having a female temperament.
The fourth best predictor was ever having taken a course that had the woke ideology as a portion of it.
This is crazy.
That obviously raised our eyebrows and was like, what is this about?
Did he have research?
Did he do research?
And then I was like, what, what is this?
And so I looked into it and would it surprise you to know that literally everything he just said is a lie?
Like, would it surprise you to know as a teaser for part two, everyone, what if everything he said was just made up completely fucking wrong in significant ways?
Oh god.
So in part two, we're now three minutes into the video and I have to stop and I've done the reading so that you all don't have to.
I looked at the study quote-unquote and I've tried to track down what he could possibly be talking about.
The answer is I think he's just lying slash misremembering maybe charitably speaking but like I cannot wait to tell you all, the original paper he's talking about, it does exist.
One of them exists.
One that he might be referring to exists.
And after reading it 40 times, because I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to do a scientific breakdown, but I can at least represent what they claim to have found.
I don't need to be a scientist to do that, really.
I can represent what they claim to have found and tell you that over the years, he keeps changing what it was.
To the point where it's now unrecognizable.
And so that's next time on Where There's Woke.
How did Jordan Peterson go from whatever was like, it seems to have been a legitimate paper, sort of.
I can't fully endorse it because I'm not a scientist, but it seems as though it was something like legitimate to whatever the fuck he just said there.
Can't wait to tell you all.
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