Brian Atlas hosts a contentious debate with guests like Portia, Tatum Love, and Milena regarding gender dynamics, reproductive rights, and the ethics of sex work versus OnlyFans. The episode scrutinizes taxpayer-funded education for identity studies, challenges feminist narratives through "Brian math" attractiveness ratings, and explores male vulnerability in dating. Ultimately, the discussion highlights deep ideological fractures over traditional gender roles, financial responsibility in relationships, and the perceived double standards surrounding female autonomy and male protectionism. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hi, I'm Portia, 29, and I'm from LA.
And I do social media and I trade options in the mornings.
Okay, social media and education.
Education.
Crypto Wallet Setup Guide00:02:42
Like, did you go to college or in college?
I went to beauty school.
Beauty school?
What kind of beauty, I guess?
To do hair, makeup, and nails, but I didn't finish.
Yeah, obviously I don't do that, but I do it on myself, so yeah.
So you're a beauty school dropout.
Yeah.
There you go.
And let's see.
You said you do social media.
What kind?
So I monetize on all platforms.
I also do OF, obviously, right?
I do really well on there, though.
Why would that be obvious?
I don't know.
Just thought it would be obvious.
I don't know.
People online say that it's obvious, right?
They're like, oh, and also, I actually just started music.
I released my first single a week ago, and it's doing really well on Spotify, everywhere.
So, I guess I'm marketing it pretty well.
What kind of music?
It's RB.
And you're a singer?
I'm a singer.
Yeah, you guys can find it on YouTube or Spotify.
Did you produce the beat?
No, it's with my company, Creators Inc.
Okay.
Spit a bar.
I'm not a rapper, though, so I'm not going to do that.
How about acapella singing?
Yeah, probably not right now.
Maybe a little later.
Are you a soprano?
I sing pretty low.
As you can tell, my voice is kind of raspy.
So, I sing kind of lower.
So, would that be like baritone?
I don't know.
I don't know the specifics of it.
There's soprano, there's baritones, there's, what's, any singers here?
Alto.
Alto, yeah, that's what I was thinking.
I don't know, I'm just Porsche.
Sing like me, I guess.
Baritone is deep, I believe.
All right.
Yeah, baritone is a deep one.
Okay.
And how long have you been doing OF for?
So I started in like 2020.
I wasn't really capitalizing on it, though.
I kind of just like left it there for my Instagram people to like subscribe and stuff.
I wasn't really doing much with it, but I did start taking it seriously like the middle of last year, I would say.
And It does really well now.
So, have you done any other forms of adult content, like stripping or?
I was a stripper for a long time.
I think I started stripping at about 20, and I did that for a long time alongside other jobs, though.
Like, I was a personal trainer, I did stuff like that, and I always just tried to do my social media, but because I had crazy ex boyfriends, they would delete my stuff, and that shit always just set me back.
Obviously, I would hit 100K, I would hit 200K, and boom, deleted, and then they would act like they don't know what's going on.
So that, but then, yeah, so I was stripping for a while and I stopped.
And now, I don't know, like, if somebody will hit me up and be like, oh, I'm going to give you five bands to be in the club, like, I might just show up, you know, something like that.
But it's not really my thing anymore, though.
And wait, you're 29?
Yeah.
I'm a little older.
Social Media Struggles Explained00:06:21
Huh?
Yeah, I'm 29.
Why?
You said you're a bit older?
Yeah.
It's a secret how old I am.
Oh, no, because in your notes, you said you were older.
I said that?
Yeah, in the notes you sent us.
Oh.
Did I really respond with that in my notes?
I don't think I said anything.
Well, yeah, usually when people message us, it's we're asking age, location.
Yeah, I kind of like to keep my age a mystery for obvious reasons, which obviously I don't like people knowing too much about me.
Why are the reasons obvious?
Because I just said I don't want people knowing too much about me.
No, I, well, sure, that might be fair, but why would that be obvious?
I just said that's the obvious reason.
Oh, that's the obvious reason.
That's the obvious reason you don't want.
I don't like people knowing too much about me.
It's like me saying what city I live in and stuff like that.
Don't.
I just like to be vague.
So, a lot has happened in my life.
Like, a lot that I just like to keep my life as vague as possible.
Even though I'm on social media, I still try to keep it as vague as possible.
Yeah, I do recall, I think you get blackout drunk and shoot people, or you get.
Definitely did not say shoot people, or guns get drawn.
Yeah, you wrote that in your notes.
I'm pretty sure.
Really?
I don't think I sent you any notes.
Wait, read it?
Yeah, I'll read it.
April 6th.
April 6th.
Oh my God, imagine I was drunk when I wrote that?
Imagine.
That makes sense.
Yeah, April 6, 2026.
You black out a lot, so crazy things happen.
Fights.
Before.
Straps.
Straps being pulled.
Right.
Peeing on the freeway.
That happened, yes.
You peed on the freeway?
I definitely peed on the freeway.
Sometimes you got to go.
You got to go, yeah.
But the straps being pulled by you?
That's so.
You pulled the strap?
I'm not going to say that, but I have been shot, right?
Four times.
You've been shot?
Yeah, it was on the news.
Four times?
It was on the news and everything.
You can like pull it up.
I was actually on the No Jumper podcast talking about it, right?
Where can I look this up?
You can go on No Jumper.
I'm on there.
I was on KTLA News.
How do I Google this?
So, Google like Porsche because my old Instagram name was Porsche Fitness.
So, you can put Porsche Fitness got shot.
Asian suicide girl.
Definitely not suicide girl.
No, you can search it though.
You know what a suicide girl is though.
Yeah, it's not like.
Not really.
It's not like somebody who does that.
It's like an aesthetic.
Yeah.
Oh, so then that's what I was called that before.
I never really understood that.
Yeah, it's like heavily tattooed aesthetic.
It doesn't mean you're like trying to unlive yourself.
Right, right, right.
Asian suicide girl got shot where in like Compton or?
In Alhambra.
Where's that?
In SGV, like San Gabriel Valley.
Yeah.
Who shot you?
Somebody ran.
Did you shoot them back or what?
No, but I don't think they're alive anymore, which is crazy, right?
Did you send peep your peep?
No, I did not do anything.
They're just not alive anymore.
Okay.
Was it a man or a woman who shot you?
It was a man.
Wait, have you been shot on more than one occasion?
I've been shot at more than one occasion, but actually physically hit?
No, just once.
Only once I've been hit, so you're just dodging bullets.
I was just a fucking.
Neo in the Matrix.
Neo, I was about to say that, yeah.
Not saying I'm a badass.
The one time you did get hit, you got hit four times.
I did.
He shot, he let off nine rounds.
Nine rounds.
I was Neo for a little bit, and then I got hit four times.
Were you the intended target?
Definitely, yes.
They knocked on my door and asked for my name.
Oh, they came to your house?
Correct, yes.
So there were multiple assailants?
It was one guy, but I feel like.
Oh, it was a trans person.
Yeah.
You said they.
You didn't know their pronouns.
So it was like.
Oh, no.
They, them.
You know how like there's.
Oh, no.
Sorry.
I don't even say all that like right.
No, but you said they.
It was.
I feel like somebody sent him.
So when I say they.
Oh, they.
Oh, shit.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So are you Filipino?
No, I'm Japanese.
Japanese.
Okay.
Why did you think I was Filipino?
Because I'm like 10.
I feel like I'm tan.
Am I tan?
Well, I feel like this might be gang related.
And I've heard of like, there's, I suppose there's Japanese gangs in LA, but I've heard there's not really, no.
It's more Filipino gangs.
More Filipino.
I was actually raised with a Filipino gang.
So it was a Filipino gang.
But it had nothing to do with that, though.
You're not Filipino.
It had nothing to do with that, though.
Okay.
So what was the, I guess, the reasoning?
It could be like a possible stalker situation because, again, I used to be a stripper, right?
Oh, shit.
Okay.
It could have been the people I hang around.
It could have been the career I was choosing at the time.
Okay.
Right?
Stuff like that.
Did you owe a Tri Flynn Ho some money?
Definitely not.
They owed me.
They owed you?
Yeah.
Oh, so they wanted to get rid of the debt.
Yeah, I don't know.
I probably said too much on here.
We're probably going to move on to something else.
Yeah, dang, that's crazy.
So you went to the hospital?
I went to the, yeah, so the cops pulled up.
I crawled to my door because at the time my door had like a lock, right?
You know, the automatic ones where you put the code.
Yeah.
So he came out, and at the time my son was home, right?
He was really young at the time.
They asked for me.
My masseuse came up and she was like, dude, there's somebody at the door looking for you.
And I was like, what the hell?
So I came out and at the time I went outside and I thought to myself, like, okay, I don't know what's going on, but I'm going to go out like an idiot, right?
So I went out.
It's either he comes in my house, which my son's in my house.
So obviously I'm not going to do that.
So I open a door and I close it behind me.
It locks right away.
He was like, oh, so and so has something for you.
And I said, who?
And he just started letting off.
But I saw his hand.
It was like shaking, right?
Like this, like going into his jacket.
And I was like, oh, fuck, right?
So I kind of like turned around and I just, I was like, okay, there's nowhere where I can go though.
Cause I wouldn't have been able to get to my door in time, right?
I couldn't hop my thing cause it was super high.
I'm hella short.
I'm 411.
And yeah, he just let off and then he dipped.
I crawled into my house.
I like put the code, crawled, and I just yelled upstairs cause my house was a three-story house.
And I was like, yo, call 911.
I just got hit.
And so crawled in.
The cops came.
My homegirl came down, was like putting pressure at wherever she thought I got hit on, which honestly, I didn't even know at the time because I don't know if any of you guys have been shot, but it burns and you don't know where it's at, right?
The cops came, they searched the whole crib.
And then from there, they're like, okay, clear.
And then they let the ambulance in.
And I just feel like that was insane because I could have probably died in the time that they're searching my house.
And then, yeah, I got put in the ambulance.
The EMT fell on top of me.
I passed out because we cut a corner.
And then I didn't wake up for, I think, like almost more than 24 hours, a little bit more than that.
Translation Degree Background00:04:04
Yeah.
Pretty crazy.
And you were shot in the stomach or?
In the back, the stomach, and then twice in my thigh.
Damn.
Do you carry, do you own firearms?
I do, yes.
Okay.
What?
Were you able to, were you armed at the time?
At the time, no, because they were not.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
What about you?
All right.
So, hi, my name is Chyna.
I'm 29 years old.
I'm from Montreal, Canada.
School wide, I act and model.
And yeah, I have a bachelor's degree in.
Education and a master's in translation.
From what university?
University of Sherbrooke.
In Canada.
In Canada.
Okay.
And you have a bachelor's in comm?
No, education.
Oh, and then the master's is in translation.
Translation.
Yeah.
You translate what?
French and English.
Because you're Canadian.
Exactly.
French and English.
Okay, so I assume you're fluent.
We did.
What was your first language?
So, English, but then, so I was born in BC.
So, from zero to four, I spoke English, and then we moved here, and my mom started dating a French guy.
So, then I was kind of speaking more French, but I went to English school, then French school, vice versa.
And your bio father is a famous hockey player in Canada?
Yes.
Or a hockey player.
I'm not too familiar with hockey, but.
And, okay.
Do you play hockey?
I do not.
My brothers do, though.
Brothers do, okay.
When did you graduate with your master's degree?
2023.
Okay, so pretty recently.
And that was in translation?
Yeah.
Just French English?
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
What are some of the, like, aside from being, like, for example, say you were just studying English, or, well, I guess if you're studying English or the French language, you're typically, it's not so much speaking it, but if you're studying English, you're.
You're like studying famous works of English, for example, famous books, et cetera, writing.
But so, translation to get a specific degree in that, what are some of the components of being educated in translation?
I mean, well, it was mostly like professional translation, so either like business related, or we would kind of like specify in some kind of.
Like, whatever we liked and wanted to do.
So, for instance, I translated a book that was in French into English.
But I'm just wondering what is the knowledge that they're imparting on you as part of an education, specifically in translation?
Because I assume if you're, say, you're already fluent in both languages, aside from actually learning the language, which it doesn't sound like they don't teach you the language.
So, what specifically would they?
Like, what are they teaching you about translation that warrants a master's degree?
So, mostly what we're learning is like there are some literal translations, but then each language has their own slangs or stuff like that.
So, I'd say, yeah.
Okay.
All right.
So, is there like a translation 212 class or something like that?
Like, There are some translation classes, but there's some English lit.
There's a bit of history about certain philosophies and stuff like that.
Exotic Dancer Career Path00:03:21
Okay.
Nothing crazy.
Got it.
All right.
What about you?
Hello.
My name is Tatum Love.
I am a full service sex worker at Sherry's Ranch, which is a legal brothel one hour outside of Vegas.
In two weeks, I am graduating from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas with a bachelor's degree.
And, oh, I'm 30 years old, and I do have an OnlyFans.
All right, all right.
And what are you studying again?
Sorry, I might have missed that.
I'm getting my degree in interdisciplinary studies.
So I have three areas of study in anthropology, sociology, and women's studies.
But within those categories, I'm taking mostly classes on sex works, history of sexuality, and marriage and family.
All right.
And you used to be a stripper, is that correct?
Yes.
Or dancer?
Do you guys, do strippers dislike stripper?
No.
You say dancer.
Oh.
Is it rude?
No, it's not rude.
It's just now you say dancer.
You say dancer.
Yeah.
But like a dancer could be a dancer.
I guess it depends what kind of person you're talking to.
Like, for example, if you're a background dancer.
Then you would say background dancer then.
Or backup dancer.
So strippers get just the dancer?
That's what you're saying?
They just get dancer?
Yeah.
Dancers don't get dancer?
Strippers get dancer?
Yeah, you just have to specify, you know what I mean?
Seems a little uncomfortable.
Fair to the dancer.
It is what it is.
And then ballet.
Well, I guess ballet, you would say ballet dancer.
But I think the dancers should get dancer.
That's too bad.
And then strippers get stripper.
Right.
Maybe exotic dancer.
I'll give you that one.
But that's too charitable, I feel like.
Exotic?
Interesting.
Dancer?
You're really showing your opinion on strippers right now.
Well, I mean, I don't know.
Like, exotic dancer, I don't even understand why exotic.
Why is it exotic?
You don't understand why it's exotic?
Like exotically dancing, like sexy dancing?
Well, that would be erotic.
That would be erotic.
Exotic is not.
I didn't come up with a word.
Let me Google the strict definition.
Yeah, Google it.
Me an exotic dancer because you have that exotic look.
Oh, because she's Asian.
Well, now that's racist dancing.
Yeah, that was a little interesting.
It's a little racist.
No, I don't care.
Well, so exotic refers to something strikingly unusual, foreign, or from a faraway place, often characterized by fascinating or intriguing appearance.
It typically describes things not native to a particular environment, such as, well, okay.
So I guess that would make sense if it's an exotic dancer.
Because you don't really see them in the wild, so it's something that you go to see, almost like a show.
You know what I mean?
Does that make sense?
I suppose.
I wonder, like, eh, well, okay, so you used to dance, you are a courtesan.
Have you done any other forms of sex work, like escorting or prostitution?
Well, I mean.
I am a legal prostitute.
I guess perhaps I should rephrase like any street prostitution.
No.
Okay.
And escorting outside of the ranch, it's called?
No.
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Not the ranch?
It's not the ranch?
Meaning I only work at the ranch.
Oh, it's called the ranch.
Sherry's Ranch.
Yeah.
Right.
And that's located in Pahrump, Nevada.
One of the regions of Nevada where it is legal to have brothels.
And you said you've been doing that for how long?
For almost three years.
Three years.
Okay.
How many clients do you think you've.
A few hundred, probably.
Do you think over a thousand?
No, but a few hundred.
I'm more low volume, more repeat.
You have repeat customers, okay.
Yeah.
Per week, how many sessions would you say you do?
It's a lot different from when I first started.
When I first started, I had a lot more, but now I maybe have like.
Two to three really long sessions a week.
When you say really long, what do you mean?
Like anywhere from five to nine hours.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Or multiple days.
Sometimes you'll do like day long hangouts.
And so, how does it work?
What's the calculation?
Is it like a flat rate, hourly rate?
Everything is negotiated by the client.
Every situation is really unique.
So, I don't have like flat rates for anything.
Sure.
Well, I suppose what for you would be a typical rate?
Oh my gosh, it's totally not legal to discuss that.
It's not?
No, it's considered solicitation to advertise my prices.
Unless I'm in the room with my client.
I don't think it would be.
I think discussing it on a podcast where you discuss these things, I don't.
How about this?
Not you, but a friend of yours.
Okay.
Wait, hold on.
A friend of yours who works at a competing brothel.
That offers the same level of service that your brothel offers with the same sort of clientele, with the same offerings, et cetera.
And it's your identical twin who works there.
Speaking of, how much does she, your identical twin, how much does she typically charge?
Okay, a simple Reddit search will have lots of people talking about the prices there, but I personally don't talk about what I charge.
No, no, no, not what you charge.
I know.
But in a hypothetical scenario, I don't want to get into it, but it is something people save up.
For.
I will say that.
Well, then, like, for other people that you're aware of, would you say that the hourly rate is in the hundreds or thousands?
Can you say that?
It is the latter.
In the thousands?
Damn.
Fucking inflation, man.
Fucking this war in Iran's fucking us up.
Prostitution prices through the roof.
Need some Iranian pussy in here.
Okay, just kidding.
Relax.
All right.
Why would that be racist?
What the fuck?
I'm just.
Okay.
All right.
So, and okay, you can't talk about money.
How about this, though?
Are the rates the same across women?
Can you answer that?
We all set our own prices.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then, do you guys offer coupons?
Obviously not.
No coupons?
No, no.
I think some women do have certain communities that they support.
I know some women offer military.
Military?
Yeah.
Police, fire, EMS?
Yeah.
Okay.
Is there a senior discount?
No.
No.
Like a 65 plus?
No.
Like retirees?
French Ballet Student Life00:04:15
Do you guys go to retirement homes ever?
That would be a good, yeah.
No, they have to come there.
I see.
Okay.
You don't do alcohol?
That's illegal.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So, as far as the coupons or discounts, is there ever a buy one, bang one free?
No.
Not for me personally.
Buy two, bang one free?
You'll have to ask the individual lady.
You guys should start, I think, offering that.
Maybe you guys need to hire me as your marketing, advertising.
You seem good at it.
Yeah, we get some coupons out there buy two, bang one, free, I guess.
I don't know.
Okay, that's cool.
And I'm sure we'll get into some of the more S work related stuff as it relates to dating a little later on.
What about you?
Hi, my name is Milena.
I'm 24 and I live in Cherbourg near Montreal, but I come from France.
You were born in France.
You're from France.
Yeah, I was born in France.
When did you move to Canada?
Like two, three years ago.
Okay.
I came here to study.
First, I did a master's in chemistry.
Okay.
And then I am right now a PhD student in electrical engineering.
Okay, PhD student?
Yeah.
Electrical engineering.
So, what's the next step after you graduate?
I still have two years to run.
And then I would love to work in.
In a firm, like a private firm, and do chips for the telephones, things like that.
Okay.
And research.
Gotcha.
And, okay, you're from France.
Do you have a job currently or just a student?
It's my job.
Oh, that is your job?
Yeah, I'm paid to study.
Oh, you're paid to study, okay.
And then are you just temporarily in Canada or?
I think I don't want to go back in France after, but I'm not necessarily have to stay here in Canada.
So I will see.
Any idea of where you might end up?
No, I'm going to see the opportunities.
Okay.
So you don't want to go back to France?
Not necessarily.
Why is that?
Because I've lived there.
Now I want to explore and do other things.
Yeah.
Where in France are you from?
Hmm?
Where?
Wait, let me see if I can do it in French.
Hold on.
Oh, yeah.
Thanks.
Oh, man.
I.
Okay, hold on.
Let me.
You said you were in France.
Fluent in French.
I'm not.
Well, I speak it at the five year old's level.
I was born in France, but I moved to the United States when I was five.
De quelle partie?
No.
Okay, what part of France are you from?
I live near Luxembourg.
Luxembourg?
So it's the east of France, near Germany.
Yeah, okay.
All right, cool.
All right, I'm trying to think.
She also dances, but she's not a stripper dancer.
Not a stripper dancer.
You're not an exotic dancer.
No, commercial, hip hop, street jazz.
I did ballet a little bit.
Ballet, yeah.
Ballet, yeah.
Okay.
And I love to dance everywhere, every time.
And you're a professional dancer or just for fun?
Just for fun.
Okay.
I took classes and now it's just on myself and I will enjoy the rest of my life.
So you do ballet?
Yeah.
Okay.
Can we see a plie?
Yeah.
Okay, go ahead.
I have to stand up?
Yep, go ahead.
Scoot your chair back.
All right, plie, first ever on the Whatever Podcast.
Watch out, I'll make you do a pirouette next.
Yeah, that's good.
All right, perfect.
Right there.
Go ahead.
All right.
I give it as a professional ballet connoisseur.
It was like a B minus, I think.
You know?
The depth.
Yeah, I don't have the band there.
Yeah, that's right.
I noticed you have a bandage on your arm.
PhD Research and Power Dynamics00:09:40
Did you?
What's that?
Oh, nothing.
I get a picket.
The jab?
You got a vaccine?
No, an insect.
Oh, insect?
Yeah, and I don't want to scratch it.
So I put something on.
Gotcha.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
I'm Brooke Lebedew.
I'm 28 and I'm from Middleborough, Massachusetts.
And I am a CNA.
I do senior home care.
Okay.
And I used to do OnlyFans, but I don't anymore.
All right.
So I just do CNA.
Education?
I went to.
I didn't go to college, but I went to technical school.
That's how I got my CNA license.
Got it.
Okay.
All right.
What about you?
My name is Taylor.
I'm 31.
I live in Los Angeles.
I work as an administrative director remotely.
I do comedy content creation and I have a PhD in international relations.
When did you get your PhD?
In 2025.
2025.
So pretty recently?
Yeah.
In international relations.
So when, I guess, what, a year ago you graduated or typically in June people graduate or?
Yeah, I graduated.
It was probably.
A year ago, like April.
About a year ago, okay.
Is it still fresh in your mind, what you learned, I guess?
Hardly.
The thing about PhDs is you learn the first two years and then the rest is research, very specific research.
So you wrote a dissertation?
Yes.
Okay.
How long was your dissertation?
Like pages?
Pages, yeah.
I don't remember.
It was double spaced.
Times New Roman?
Yeah, 12 years.
Okay.
And let's see.
International relations?
Yes.
Well, it must be given that it's a, you didn't just get a bachelor's degree, you got a master's degree and a.
Wait, do you skip, you go master's, then you get your PhD, or do you just skip the master's and go straight to the PhD?
It depends on the student.
Some people do a bachelor's and then go straight to a PhD.
When the first two years is technically a master's, you can graduate out with a master's.
I did a bachelor's, a master's in something different, and then I got a PhD separately.
Oh, what did you get your bachelor's and master's in?
Russian studies.
Closer to the mic?
In Russian studies.
Russian studies.
Are you Russian or?
No.
Why Russian studies?
I just really liked foreign languages and I studied a few and I, by the time I went to college, I decided Russian sounded interesting and when else would I study Russian?
Okay, so when you say Russian studies, this is language, not like the study of Russia?
It was the study of Russia and language was the component of it.
Okay, so are you fluent in Russian?
Not fluent, but.
But you can speak it?
To an extent.
Conversationally or?
Not a great conversation.
Okay.
All right.
And I mean, are you, I guess, what spurred on your interest in Russia?
Are you a Marxist?
Are you communist?
What?
So I studied Spanish and French a little bit, and then also Chinese.
And I was thinking for college, I'll either do Arabic or Russian.
And I decided Russian because I thought I could get a better grasp of it.
And I didn't think I'd be very comfortable in the Middle East because I don't like hot weather.
But then I moved to LA, so I was wrong.
Have you been to Russia?
Yes, four times.
Four times?
Can people travel to Russia at the moment or no?
I mean, it's not good to travel there when it's at war right now, but I went before the war.
I see, okay.
Well, okay, so you just graduated in 2025 with your PhD in international relations.
Were you hoping to do something with that?
Or I guess what's your job?
I don't know if you did your content.
So I do administration remotely.
So at some point during my PhD, I realized I don't have strong career goals, so I'm just kind of going with whatever.
Since it is pretty recent that you got your PhD, can you relay to us maybe one or two things, big takeaways that you learned in international relations?
Yeah, so power is really important.
Who has it?
Most things are a power struggle.
That's not my opinion, it's the realist school of thought, which is just one theory of essentially how the world works.
Okay, anything else?
Like some sort of academic takeaway from what you learned in international relations?
An academic takeaway?
Well, I suppose like something infer, like something material that you learned in the class.
Like, I'm unsure, like a fact.
Well, I mean, you have a PhD in international relations.
Just, if you were to teach somebody perhaps an advanced concept of international relationship or international relations, excuse me.
I'm assuming you would, given you have a PhD in the field, in the discipline, you'd be able to elucidate something that you, like I don't have a PhD in international relationships.
So I'm curious to know can you articulate something that you learned?
How to set up a research study, like getting a unit of analysis, and how to set up research in a way where you are actually getting to the root of the question, I guess.
Well, wouldn't that be something sort of basic to any sort of discipline that would be reliant on statistics or anything related to research?
I mean, the first thing you mentioned was power being very important.
I mean, a five year old could tell you that.
Five year olds, infants, children engage in power dynamics even with their own parents, and they're often very manipulative.
Children have a manipulative sense of how to, you know, if they cry or they whine, they maybe often get what they want.
So, I guess what I'm asking you, though, is.
Can I ask, did you have scholarships or did you pay for the?
It was paid for.
By?
The university.
Oh, so you had scholarships?
No, like she said, a lot of PhD programs are fully funded and you get paid a salary.
Okay.
Well, I mean, you must have some expenses that you put towards college, perhaps your undergrad?
I mostly had scholarships, yes.
Where did you go to school?
My undergrad at Miami University in Ohio.
Okay.
And post grad school, I guess?
Grad school.
I got my PhD at Northeastern.
That's a pretty good school, right?
Yeah.
Northeastern?
I think it's.
Or Northwest?
It's Northeastern, I think it's.
That's a good school, I think.
Okay.
So you had scholarships.
Is Northeastern a public or private school?
It's a public school.
No, it's a private school.
Private school?
No.
Private school?
I think it's private.
Does anybody in the chat know Northeastern?
I think it's a private school.
I don't ask.
It's not really something that comes up, I think.
It is a private nonprofit research university, Boston, Massachusetts.
Okay.
It is private.
I wonder if it's taxpayer subsidized.
But I mean, I would imagine speaking to somebody who holds a PhD degree that they would have, like, you know, perhaps they're not like top in their field in the subject, but they have like a depth of knowledge that could be perhaps articulated or shared.
So I guess I'm looking for power, it's very important.
It's how to set up a research study.
I'm looking for the juice.
I'm looking for the meat.
Okay.
So it's.
This is a funny question because I feel like when you're in this level of schooling, you really aren't going to get a one sentence thing that's compelling.
Closer to the mic.
That's compelling.
What was the title?
One thing I think that was interesting that I learned is that when you look at world leaders across the board, more of them have something called one of these dark triad traits, which is Machiavellianism, which is like manipulation.
What are the other components of dark triad?
Narcissism and psychopathy.
Okay.
And so these traits are more prevalent in people who rise to the top through a process of competition and elimination until they're at the top of their field.
Well, dear, I must tell you, as somebody who dropped out of community college, I've been aware of what the dark triad for many years without the need to get a PhD degree.
So, is that what the universities, you spend.
Nearly a decade in university, and you get a PhD, and power is important, dark triad, and how to do a research study.
It seems like college might be a bit of a scam if you ask me, but perhaps I'm wrong.
Research is a process, and when I'm just throwing things out there, it's really just me throwing things out there, so please don't take that as a reflection of university.
Well, I guess it's like, okay, in this case, you went to a private university, although I assume they still take on some tax subsidies.
Class Identity in Academia00:15:23
But I am always, to some degree, tickled by.
Of course, it depends on the discipline.
She does electrical engineering.
That's a very hard science to a degree.
Or you look at math and you look at physics or biology.
These are hard sciences, but when you get into international relationships, I mean, I wouldn't even.
I don't even know if that's categorized as a soft science.
That might be more of a liberal art.
But what was the title of your PhD?
Of my PhD.
The title, excuse me, my research.
The title of your dissertation?
I'm not going to say because I don't want it to be searched.
I don't want the record to live here.
Okay, I mean, that's fine for privacy reasons.
You do know the title of it, though.
I do.
You haven't forgotten it.
Okay.
All right, well, okay.
Anybody want to weigh in on the college thing?
I don't think Scandinavia is.
Trade school, all the way.
That's why I never went.
That's why I went to a tech school.
I think that's awesome.
I genuinely think any sort of post secondary education is good.
Well, you're in college, right?
College rocks.
You said you're about to graduate?
Yeah.
What are soon?
May 16th.
Okay, very soon.
So you're fresh in classes.
Yeah, I've been taking classes.
How many classes do you take right now?
Four.
Online or in person?
They're all online because I do work.
What are the four classes you take?
I am taking my interdisciplinary capstone class where I'm writing my.
Okay, just what are the titles?
Yes.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, ethnicity and identity class.
It's like an upper level anthropology class.
Is that the name of it?
No, there's a long, it's an anthropology class.
Okay, anthro, it's identity and what?
Ethnicities and identities.
So it's, okay, what's the other two?
Okay, okay.
These are just like this class I saved for last because they're like a little easier.
The anthropology of cats and dogs and human dynamics and their relationships to cats and dogs.
And other animals.
And oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, this is putting me on the spot.
I'm a little anxious.
But I do have two other classes.
Oh my god.
You have two other classes?
Yeah, well, four in total.
Sociology of aging.
Sociology of aging.
Okay, what's the other?
And then, oh my gosh.
Sociology of aging.
Wait, the sociology of aging?
Yeah, sociology of aging.
Right, okay, what's the other one?
Wait, wait, what's the other one?
What's the other one?
I'm trying to do it for my.
Oh my God, you'll have to get back to me.
My brain's going blank.
You have four classes and you don't remember the title of your classes?
Because I, you're catching me.
Wait, can I just ask something about that?
Yeah, she can go back.
Okay, so all the classes that you just named, like obviously I know nothing about that because I don't know what the fuck that was, but I'm just confused.
Like, okay, so all those classes that you're taking, like what is that going to be?
Like, what is that for?
Like, what are you aiming to be?
Like, studying those things?
Like, I guess I'm just confused.
Like, because you're taking those classes, like, what's your ultimate goal?
Because, like, obviously, like, she's training to be that, so I know what she's about to be.
But then, like, you're studying that.
I just, I'm kind of confused.
Are you going to school to be a sex worker?
Yeah, well, I'm writing my senior capstone on the importance of sex workers telling our own stories.
I am an anthropologist.
And.
What's an anthropologist?
Someone who observes cultures.
Am I an anthropologist?
Yes, you are.
Okay.
So.
So then that's what you're studying to be then?
An anthropologist and a sex worker.
Well, yeah.
Like, ultimately, that's your goal.
Are awesome.
Yeah.
Oh, no, no.
Girl, I'm not putting them down at all.
Like, good for you.
Like, I'm actually so proud of you coming on here and telling the world that you do that.
Like, good for you.
But no, I was just kind of confused because, like, you're studying, like, dogs and cats and stuff like that.
And so I'm just like, why waste all this time doing all that when it's not going to get anywhere?
Do you know what I mean?
Not a waste of time.
I think a big reason I was even able to come on this podcast and, like, answer all the essay questions was because.
College gave me the ability to problem solve and realize that I'm quite a good writer.
So, thank you very much, college.
So, wait, what was the last class?
I'm trying to.
Okay, there's anthro identity, ethnicities, cats, dogs, and then sociology of aging.
What's the last one?
Sociology of sexuality.
Sociology of sexuality, okay.
From your sociology, when was the last time you had your sociology of aging class?
When was the last time?
Like, it's not like a class where I zoom in.
There's not like a lecture or something?
No, there's lots of papers and discussions due every week.
Okay, one.
Have you recently written an essay or anything?
I've written many essays.
For all of the classes?
For all of the classes, yes.
Tell me one thing from your sociology of age in class that you could communicate to us.
All right.
I'm glad you asked.
So, in one reading we read in the past few weeks, it was about.
Oh my God, I feel like I'm going to bore you guys.
Give me the 10 second sentence.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, you'll love this because it's about France.
All right.
I'm going to love this.
Okay.
So, a group of researchers in France found this boy who was just living in the woods by himself.
This was in the 1800s.
And he had been abandoned by his family.
And he just was rather feral.
And he couldn't hear people calling for him.
Because his ears were accustomed to hearing sounds that mattered to him.
Like he could hear a walnut crack like 100 feet away, but he couldn't hear people yelling at him.
So the point of that is to say that our brains adapt to what we are.
It's like our brains are environmentally adaptable.
And that's also why we are.
Not in gestation as long as other animals, meaning like we're born and we don't know how to walk already.
That's because our brains as humans need time to develop to our environment rather than like a horse that gets born and walks immediately, if that makes sense.
I can expand on that.
I don't want to like bore you guys though.
I could like talk about that for like 30 minutes.
I mean, I'm familiar with the case and there's actually probably a few examples of these sort of feral, I think they're referred to as like feral.
Children, where they are like essentially almost abandoned, basically, and sometimes even like animals will take care of them in some odd sort of way.
But I, as a sociological concept or principle, yes, you providing an example of something that relates to sociology.
I guess I'm more so looking like from a principal perspective.
Oh, a principal is that our so we adapt to our environment.
Okay, well, I dropped out of college, I could tell you that.
Oh, well, good for you.
Yeah.
I couldn't.
Okay.
Maybe.
I mean, that story was basically just about, like, what, selective hearing?
Okay.
Because, like, my kids do that.
Right?
All right.
My kids do that.
I'll be like, take the trash.
I'll be like, I didn't hear you.
I'll be like, hey, there's food.
You know what I mean?
And then they'll hear that.
Right?
Are you arguing?
Is that what you meant, though?
Oh, no, no.
I was just saying, is that what you meant about that kid, like, adapting to his environment?
He just basically has selective hearing.
Okay.
Well.
Okay.
Well.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, sociology of aging, the feral boy or whatever, anthropology of identity and ethnicities.
What's just like one quick takeaway from that that you could relate to us?
Well, I just wrote a paper on my own identities and how they've shifted over the last like 10 years.
Definitely super personal.
Don't want to get into it, but it was really powerful.
I got an A.
Well, so.
Good job, good job.
I'm looking for, like, I don't know, if you were taking a physics class, you might, for example, be able to.
I mean, this is very elementary, but you might be able to relate to me some, like, a principle of Newton.
Totally, yeah.
So, but when you say I wrote a paper about my identity and I got an A on it, I'm looking for a principle of the anthropology of identity and ethnicities, a principle that you can relate to me.
So, maybe it would be helpful to understand that I chose this major because creative writing was not an option for online students.
I don't need the reason why you chose the thing.
I'm just looking for a principle of the anthropology of identity and ethnicities.
No, but partially why anthropology is.
Why I'm doing it is to be a better writer.
So I don't need the reasons for why you're taking the class.
I'm simply, you've been taking the class, you've been studying it, you've been going to college, you're about to graduate in two weeks with a bachelor's degree from a university.
I would hope the university is doing its due diligence in properly educating you so as to confer you with a diploma that would indicate to an employer that you have a degree of understanding over the subject in which you are studying.
Thus, I'm asking once again what is the principle or concept that you learned about from the class, anthropology of identity and ethnicities?
That we, I mean, from that particular class.
Just one thing.
Our identities are a combination of how we were raised and the.
You're stressing me out.
A combination of how we were raised and how we made.
So, nature and nurture.
Nature and nurture.
Congratulations.
I'm very far from getting a bachelor's degree in.
What do you say?
Interdisciplinary.
I've never taken an anthropology class.
I think I once took a sociology class and then I decided to drop out because it was total fucking bullshit.
I dropped out too the first time.
I can tell you, I'm pretty sure when I was like 10 years old, I heard the concept nurture and nature.
And how that.
So you're saying it shapes the identity, nurture and nature.
That's.
I really enjoy creative writing.
That is why I'm doing it.
And.
What does creative writing have to do with identity and ethnicities?
Because I write about my identity as a sex worker.
But I mean, if the title of the class includes identity and ethnicities, perhaps you.
Well, I wrote about my background in being white.
You wrote about your background in being white.
Congratulations, white supremacists do that all the time.
No, no, no.
Congratulations.
No, no.
Oh my God.
I'm still confused why you're getting a college degree if you want to be a sex worker.
Oh, okay.
Well, I mean, I don't think to defend her, I don't think that they're.
I assume you want to do some sort of career beyond sex work.
Or maybe open your own brothel.
No.
Oh, no.
I think the point is that she has a way of expressing herself without feeling camera angles.
All right.
She has a.
Wait, sorry, repeat that.
She has a way of.
I was saying, like, I think the point of her going to college is a way to express herself in a more creative way, and that's why she was saying she wanted to take creative writing.
Now, I'm not like.
Defending it, but I'm just saying I think that's her reasoning, and because she keeps getting into too much detail, we're missing that part.
She wants to wait, she wants to go to college to what again?
To find a way to express herself in the proper way.
Yeah, she wants to write about it so that she can be honest and open to people, but she wants to do it in the way that I guess they're teaching her how to do it.
Do you go to public school or private school?
The University of Nevada, Las Vegas is a public university.
Taxpayer funded?
I mean, I got.
Do you have scholarships or are you paying for it?
Both.
Okay.
So look, you said that she's going to school to learn how to express herself.
Right, in a writing way.
Fuck, the taxpayers should not be paying for that.
That taxpayers, I don't think, are paying for it.
You go to a public school, it's taxpayer subsidized.
You go to an adult learner scholarship.
No, I understand you might have some scholarships, but well, I mean, that would be depending on the source of the scholarship, it would be to a degree taxpayer subsidized.
Taxpayers should not be subsidizing.
I want to learn how to express myself.
Hmm.
Okay.
Agree to disagree.
That's not the purpose.
College ought to be.
Now, look, I think college perhaps has gone through transformation in the past 10, 20, 30, 40 years where instead of it being an institution for genuine academic achievement in education, and not all disciplines, some of the disciplines, the hard sciences, those are still valid.
However, the liberal arts, the soft sciences, These are very much adult daycare centers.
They're diploma mills.
They're like, okay, here's a diploma.
It's why you find so many people are unhirable after they get a diploma from a four year university, after they've taken on a substantial amount of college debt.
They've cost the taxpayer a pretty penny.
They have bloated administrations where there's all these, okay, they're putting on concerts at fucking university.
They're doing all these, there's like, Different centers and all this bullshit in universities, massively bloated, just a waste of taxpayer money.
And I think we see the fruits of that.
I agree that there are excess costs at universities, but I don't know how it could be an adult daycare when I am a fully online student and I'm working from the brothel.
Well, I mean, obviously, there's in person classes.
So, yeah, there's online class offerings, but there are in person classes.
And I would say, Even if you reject the categorization of it as being adult daycare, I would perhaps frame it better like this University is so that you can have somebody else read to you.
That's university.
How are they reading to me?
That's literally university.
University Education Critique00:15:39
I'm doing all the reading.
Especially now with like you have AI and all these sorts of things, but for the past 20 years, you've had all the knowledge possible at your fingertips on the computer via the internet.
Now, there might be some applications, again, If you're taking certain classes where there's like actually lab work and you're dealing with like, I don't know, if you're in chemistry and you have to do actual lab work, that's different, right?
But like soft sciences, liberal arts, it's all on the internet.
Well, also, yeah, okay.
Also, I find now that with AI, I have someone in my family who teaches.
Every single student is using AI to write the papers.
So, there's a lack of, from the students themselves.
Look, obviously, the students want the good grade.
They want to just breeze through it.
They want the diploma.
They want the grade, whatever.
But I think there ought to be, if you are going to spend this time and money on university, especially if it's taxpayer subsidized, I think there should be a genuine educational and academic internal motivation and like a curiosity within the student to want to actually learn the material.
At a deeper level than just, I'm just trying to get the grade, I'm just gonna put this through AI.
But I do have someone very close to me who's a professor at a major university on the East Coast.
And yeah, they told me every single one of my students uses AI for the assignments.
So it's just like, we may, of course, might have to reassess the value of education if everything's just being done by AI.
Brian, can I comment?
Sure.
Okay, so I also work as a teaching course assistant.
For a university class, and I will say that university is more than just reciting facts.
It's also a process of understanding how to do research, it's a process of how to make an argument.
And I have edited essays from students freshman year and senior year, and the writing is so different because students do learn these soft skills that maybe you undervalue.
But if it were just picking out facts, then I don't think that's a strong understanding of what university is.
I agree that university has a lot of problems and inefficiencies.
However, I think it has a lot of value as well.
And I don't think it's for everyone, I don't think it's necessary for everyone, but I do think it has value for those who want to pursue it.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a misrepresentation of my position.
I never said that university is just about rote fact memorization.
Then why did you ask that question?
Which question?
Can you say one thing about whatever?
Well, I don't think it would be pure.
Well, hold on.
I think it's actually, I'm looking for something actually beyond memorization when I ask that question.
So I think, you know, you might be able to just like, you know, memorize a fact.
Which I think she was alluding to by this case of the child who was abandoned or something and taken care of by animals.
But I'm looking for a deeper level understanding, a conceptual understanding, which transcends fact memorization.
So when I ask, if I'm asking, convey to me conceptually what is the depth of what you've learned, that's not a fact finding, I'm not searching for fact.
I'm searching for your depth, your level of depth and understanding of the subject matter in question.
So, I mean, I don't understand.
So, is university just for like bumping up and developing some base, like sort of a base level of what exactly?
Yeah, so I think university is many things.
As you know, in our society, we do put a value on the degree itself.
So, that is, of course, one inescapable element of it.
It also, It is also going deeper and also broader into your area of interest, which is another component.
It's also a process of understanding how to communicate better and research better and understand if you see a fact written down to interrogate it to the level where it's like, how can I believe what I'm reading is true?
Trying to understand like arguments, research methods, etc.
I feel like I learned that without college.
You can learn that without college.
I'm not saying.
No, no, I'm just saying I did.
I wasn't.
Yeah, I think you absolutely can.
I think there's a baseline.
Wait, wait, what you're explaining is baseline.
Like, for example, I know it's a dating podcast, but like, for example, I think loyalty in a relationship is baseline.
And then there can be like additional things beyond that.
So, when you're saying, well, you should be able to think critically and examine statements and be able to decipher whether the truth of a statement, to me, that seems like it would be a baseline, a very baseline thing.
But when there's specific disciplines like international relations or Anthropology or sociology, you shouldn't just tell me, well, I took anthropology and sociology and international relations so I can think critically.
I mean, that should be a concurrent part of it.
But you should be able to conceptually tell me about the specific discipline anthropology, sociology, international relationships, not just the fact, and it may very well be the case that through university you have cultivated the ability to think critically.
That might be the case.
But I'm asking conceptually the subject matter in question what did you learn?
Okay, well, I'm not going to linger on this too long, but I will tell you this.
If I was dictator, I'm getting rid of 80% of educational disciplines.
Math, the STEM fields can stay.
STEM fields can stay.
Dance, no offense.
Dance is staying.
Dance has to go.
She's not studying.
No, I know she's not studying dance, but I'm saying, like, there's stuff in the universe.
Look, if you want to pursue dance in a private, Capacity.
I don't think taxpayers should be teaching students, and there shouldn't be like facilities that are, again, taxpayer funded.
Taxpayers should not be funding dance.
They shouldn't be funding perhaps certain other, I don't know, what are some of the other bogus things that you can do in college?
I don't know.
No offense, art.
Oh, that's.
Nah, get rid of that shit.
Art can go.
I'm not, no, no tax.
Look, if you want to study privately, we're not going to, if I'm dictator.
I'm not going to make it illegal, but not even a taxpayer penny will ever go to dance or art or, I don't know, some kind of bullshit.
Sociology, kind of bullshit.
Anthropology, kind of bullshit.
Yeah.
Gone.
You can study privately if a private university wants to offer it.
Fine.
Taxpayer, nope.
You can go into STEM.
That's pretty much it.
Can I add something on that, like, baseline?
Sure.
I've dated guys that went to college, university, or whatnot.
And others who have not.
And I feel like there's more guys that have that baseline when they went to college or university versus when they did not from experience.
Yeah, I do recall in your notes you said that it gives you the ick.
Yeah.
If a guy doesn't have a college education.
Not always, but.
Most of the time.
Yeah.
Okay.
Just because of that baseline that is lacking.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think.
There may be a distinction here between like correlation and causality.
But my philosophy on this is that you should never let academia get in the way of your education.
And so this idea that you wouldn't date a guy because he didn't get a university degree.
It's more so if he just stopped after high school kind of thing.
Sure.
Yeah.
Stops after high school.
Yeah, it would be.
Well, your dad, what's his level of education as a hockey player?
He went to high school and then he did some college in communication.
Some college in communication, yeah.
Okay.
Would you be upset?
Is your dad dating or is he single?
He passed away.
Oh, sorry to hear that.
Didn't know.
No worries.
Okay.
But he probably, and I think he'd admit it too, to some degree, sometimes will act on that baseline.
Yeah, but he's in Canada and a hockey player, so probably didn't stop him.
I'm sure he got a lot of.
We'll continue on, but okay.
Intro, if you can introduce yourself.
Sure.
I'm also Taylor.
I'm 25.
I'm from New Jersey.
I graduated from Rutgers Criminal Justice and History, and I'm a bartender.
When did you graduate?
2023.
Okay, you know what I'm going to ask.
Yeah.
One thing that you learned.
And what subject?
Well, you said criminal justice and history.
Yeah.
Let's do criminal justice.
One concept.
I did most of my studies in juvenile gangs.
So I would say one concept is that the law is, I shouldn't say the law, but I guess specific environments are really not in favor of how people are raised, if that makes sense.
So if you like low socioeconomic.
You're a product of your environment, basically, and everything is not there to help you.
So, product of your environment, yeah.
So, is this like a justification for criminality?
Absolutely not.
I was not there to condone, I was there to understand.
Okay, yeah.
But is there like a greater understanding or more leeway given to those who commit crimes?
No, come from a lower socioeconomic.
No, I wouldn't say, um, a pass, I would say that there's more understanding, of course, but I still don't think it's right.
But I understand that it happens because I'm not.
You know, an imbecile to what happens around us, even if that's not what you currently are going through.
You know?
And it's not fair to me to judge someone if I don't understand or know what that environment is like, because that's not how I live.
That's not how I grew up.
Wait, it's not fair to judge someone if you don't understand where they're coming from.
Yeah.
I can, you know, I think if somebody commits a crime, especially one that is the more objectionable it is.
Frankly, I don't give a fuck what their background is.
If they've committed a crime that is abhorrent, they did so willfully.
I don't care what their background is.
Truth be told, humans have agency, humans have control of themselves.
Sure.
So, I mean, if you've murdered somebody and you grew up in poverty, I honestly don't give a fuck.
Sure.
Like, you've committed a terrible crime.
That's why I said it was more about.
Juveniles in gangs.
It's something that, like, you know, if you, I'm like I said, I'm 25, you know, there's people as young as 10, 11, 12, 13 that are joining gangs.
What I don't, I've never been in gangs, I've never grew up around gangs.
So to me, my interest is what would make someone as young as 10 join a gang?
What would be the reasoning of that?
Like I said, while I don't condone it, I think my main reasoning was because I'm, you know, one to go into the police force.
So It gives you a sense of why and how.
I don't want to be a cop to judge people.
I want to be a cop to help people, but how can I help someone if I don't understand where they're coming from?
Well, of course, I think our mission should be to help people, but.
And I think, like, there's nothing wrong with, as a course of study, trying to gain an understanding of why it is people get involved in gangs or why they commit crimes or whatever it may be.
But I don't think, from a moral perspective, we owe people who do commit crimes.
Some greater form of understanding because of their background.
I think, look, that's not to say that, hey, there are people who have difficult upbringings.
There are people who live in poverty.
There are people who are surrounded with bad influences.
And that's worth addressing.
But I don't know if I would frame it like, okay, I wouldn't judge somebody who's committed a crime because I'm not familiar with their specific circumstances.
I would just say, I don't know.
I don't think being in a gang is necessarily considered a crime, though.
There's people in gangs that don't commit crimes.
Sometimes.
That's just how it is.
Well, yeah, I suppose you could be.
I don't actually know legally if there might actually be some sort of, if you're gang affiliated, even that could get you in trouble.
But not if you don't have any priors.
You could be in a gang, but they're not going to arrest you for just being in a gang.
But I'm not sure if that's really my central argument here.
I would say, though, typically, like, the purpose of a gang is not to work in soup kitchens and do charity service.
Being in the gang usually involves criminal activity.
I mean, not necessarily.
I can give you an example if that makes you feel better.
Yeah, right.
MS 13 is.
Okay, well, you're going to go to the extreme.
Tell me.
So, other reasons.
Gangs are known for their charitable work and not their criminal activity.
Oh, I never said charitable work.
No.
That's not what I said.
No, but at all.
Hold on.
That's the association.
If you're in a gang, you're committing crimes.
But not everybody.
Some are just a brotherhood.
Some are just a family.
Some are just.
For protection from other people.
You know what I mean?
It's not always like, hey guys, now that we're a gang, we're going to go shoot people.
Like, that's not.
Right.
I know what you just brought up MS-13.
Like, yeah, duh.
You know what I mean?
But they're not always a crazy thing.
And also, I mean, I don't know.
Do you know anybody from a gang?
Yeah.
And then those people, what, commit crimes?
Oh, I know.
I don't.
Like, personally, like on a personal level, not know of.
So, okay, hold on.
Okay.
Currently, I'm not friends with anyone who is actively in a gang.
Actively, right.
However, I knew somebody who did 10 years in prison.
I've actually had them on the show a long, long time ago.
And yes, he was in a gang.
He did 10 years in prison.
Gang Membership Motivations00:03:14
He's out of that life now.
But this idea that I don't understand this, like, are they Boy Scouts, the gang members?
I never said that.
Look, I mean, people join gangs for various reasons.
Maybe it is the case that they join the.
Well, I think.
Look, I'm going to go ahead and grant that people join.
Sometimes people are looking for belonging, and maybe they don't have strong male figures, they don't have strong masculine figures, they don't have a father figure, or maybe they've been bullied or whatever it is.
And maybe it's just they're living in a geographical region, maybe their neighborhood is just predominantly filled with gang members, and that's who they're around and who they're exposed to.
I'm going to go ahead and grant all those things.
However, you're not going to be able to make a very convincing argument that when we're referring to gangs, that this is typically.
This is typically not a criminal organization.
Right.
And I'm also pretty sure that in order to get initiated into a gang, you have to do something illegal.
Not always, no.
Not always.
Yeah, when you get jumped into a gang, you have to help the elderly lady cross the street.
That's what gangs are known for, is, you know, just doing acts of charity.
And this is true.
Well, you're just saying like completely random things.
Like, obviously, that's not true.
Whether it involves like stealing, like robbing people.
No, I mean, I just got jumped in.
Gangs are the same.
I didn't shoot anybody.
I just got jumped in.
Not all gangs are the same.
This wasn't a debate about me defending gangs at all.
It was just saying that I don't even know how it came up.
Because I said that I went to college for criminal justice and history.
He asked me to explain.
I said that I focused a lot on juveniles in gangs.
And it's sad.
It's a sad story.
It is sad, and I don't condone it.
But I do.
And there was, I mean, I was in university for five years.
Obviously, I didn't study juvenile gangs for five years.
But that is a class that was repeat for me because I was constantly peaked in the interest of gangs.
However, you know, there were more aspects to criminal justice that I learned, but I think that my main interest was that while I was in university.
There's a lot that people don't know and don't understand.
And when you start to understand, it's just one thing that's like.
It's just.
I get it.
I don't know.
This isn't like.
I don't know.
What's that movie?
I've actually never seen it.
West Side Story where they're fucking dancing and shit.
Like, that's not what a gang is.
Like, look, I understand if you want to do this thing where we're going to be like, well, some.
Members are like affiliates or associates of the gang, but they haven't actually participated in any criminal behavior.
I'm actually going to agree with you.
Of course, there's probably associates or affiliates of gangs who haven't actively participated in any criminal activity.
However, I would argue like the leadership or the central membership of the gang or purpose of the gang has some degree of criminality.
There's a criminality component to it.
That is a gang.
That's a gang.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
Gender Transition and Family00:08:22
That's a gang.
Anyways, let me move it on.
Okay, what about you?
Introduction, please.
Hello, I'm Brooke.
I'm 41.
I'm from the Inland Empire and I'm a server and I have two kids.
All right.
Any college education?
No.
Okay.
All right, great.
We're going to get everybody's relationship status.
The dude, thank you for the gifted subs.
Appreciate it, man.
So, going around the table, tell us your relationship status.
If you're single, how long you've been single, and if you're in a relationship, How long have you been in the relationship?
I'm single.
Okay.
I love being single.
Do you?
I really do, honestly.
It's the best way for me.
I have two, yeah.
You love being single?
I love it.
Because I'm able to focus completely on what I want to do without an insecure man in my ear 24 7.
Like, what are you doing?
We're answering the phone.
I don't want you to talk to that guy.
Oh, but this is for my career.
And men are typically insecure.
They are.
Typically insecure?
Yeah.
Are women typically insecure?
Yeah, most likely not me though, but yeah, a lot of females are.
No, not at all.
I don't feel like I need to be.
I feel like if I obsess over you cheating, it's probably going to happen.
So why am I going to do all that?
I just don't do that.
So, yes, I'm single.
I've been single for since February or no, March of 2023.
So, about two years.
Or, wait, no, three years.
Is that like three now?
Yeah.
Three years.
What's your longest relationship?
I would say five years.
Five years.
And you said you had two kids?
Same father?
No, different.
Two different dads?
Okay.
Because they're very far apart in age.
How old are your kids?
17 and 11.
17 and 11.
The five year one, is that one of the fathers?
No.
Okay.
It was after my son.
Okay.
Your first, your oldest child, how long was the relationship with the man there?
Three years, about.
And then we got married, actually.
Oh, married.
Okay.
Your youngest child.
Forced to be married, though.
Forced?
My parents, yeah.
They're very Japanese.
So they were like, if you're having this baby, you're getting married.
And I was like, damn.
Both your parents are Japanese?
Yeah.
Do you speak Japanese?
I do.
Are your parents from Japan or were they like from the United States or born in the US?
My real mother, she passed away when I was younger, but she was born, I think, in Monterey Park.
And then my dad was born in like Chicago.
My stepmom, right now, though, she's actually the one who taught me how to speak Japanese because she didn't speak any English.
Gotcha.
Okay.
And the length, sorry, I might have missed this.
The length of the relationship with the second father was pretty short, maybe like a year and a half, two years.
Yeah.
Okay, and then how soon into the relationship did you get pregnant?
Very soon.
How soon?
On both.
Yeah.
Yeah, how soon?
Like less than six months, I would say.
Okay, under six months.
I was young and just wilding, you know what I mean?
Like, and I don't.
Wait, hold on.
You said your kid is how old again?
17.
17.
So, how old were you when you got pregnant?
Okay, well, now we're going to go into the age, right?
I mean, honestly, I don't care.
I'm 35, right?
So.
Yeah.
So, I'm 35.
I was 17 when I got pregnant.
Okay, 17 when you got pregnant.
But I had her at 18.
Had her at 18.
Okay.
And she's, wait, sorry, 17 or 19?
17.
17.
Yeah.
Okay.
Not 18, yeah.
Have you told her, like, Don't get pregnant.
Well, you know, she's actually gay.
So, oh, she's, yeah.
Wait, bi or like?
No, she's like a boy.
She's a full on boy now, yeah.
Not trans or?
Okay, see, that's where I get all mixed up because, you know, before, back in the day, would be like, oh, she's a dyke, which is like a girl who dresses like a man, right?
I don't know.
I don't know the politically correct terms now she tries to teach me.
And I'm trying to be as politically correct as I can, but I guess she's considered a mask or something.
What's her pronouns?
He, now.
Oh, he.
Now, yeah.
She just doesn't know.
So, is she trans or non binary?
I don't know.
You don't know your own daughter?
I don't know the terminology.
What I do know is she would like to be addressed as a male now.
Does she have a different name?
Like, did she change her name?
Yes.
To a male name.
Okay.
So, what is that considered?
Well, I'm not sure because you said she's mask.
So, you could be like, I guess, feminine mask or whatever, but she's lesbian, but she goes, wait, so hold on.
But she goes by he.
Now.
So, originally, she had gone by still her birth name, right?
We would call her her and everything.
And now she goes by, oh no, like, mom, I wanna be addressed as a different name.
And I was like, oh, okay, cool.
When did she transition?
So that's what you call that transition?
See, before a transition to me was getting like your body parts changed.
But now teenagers are saying, like, oh, I transitioned.
Oh, how?
Just by saying that.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
So.
Well, did she change her appearance at all?
Yeah, yeah.
So when she first came back to me from living at her dad's, she was like, I wanna chop my hair off.
I'm like, Okay, go ahead.
She's like, Yeah, I'm gay.
I'm like, Fire.
That's cool.
Do what you want to do.
I will fully support you.
So we cut her hair off.
She still was going by her birth name, though.
She was saying, I'm gay.
I like girls.
This and that.
And I'm like, Okay, cool.
But now that she's a boy, they're saying that it's technically not gay because she's a boy who likes girls now.
Does that make sense?
I mean, in a very peculiar sort of way, yes.
I don't get too much into it.
I love her.
So you have full custody.
No, I have full custody of both my kids.
Oh, okay, because you said she was at her dad's.
Before, yeah, and then some stuff happened, yeah.
Okay.
What does the dad think of the transition?
Is he on board with it?
No.
He doesn't like it.
So she doesn't live, go to see him anymore.
They're cool, but.
They're cool.
Yeah, they're cool.
Okay.
And you said you were married once?
To him, yeah.
Have you been married other times?
How long were you married?
I've been proposed to, but no.
How long were you married?
Very short.
Did he pay you alimony?
No.
No.
Nothing.
Does he pay you child support?
I think we annulled it, I think.
Yeah, it's so long ago, though.
Does he pay you child support?
He never has up until recently, where I asked.
It's not on paper, but I was like, hey, you want to shoot a couple hundred?
You know what I mean?
Sure.
Yeah.
I'm obviously doing financially better than both of them, but I just feel like it's just not fair.
You know what I mean?
Like, you should be contributing.
You know what I mean?
Okay.
So it's not like through the court system?
No, I don't do all that.
You help out with it.
Yeah.
Like, hey, here and there.
And it actually was very recent, like almost three months ago, that I really started asking both of them for anything.
Oh, okay.
So, and you said one is 17 and one is 11?
11, yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Got it.
And then your younger daughter, I'm assuming she's like.
My son.
Oh, sorry.
My son, excuse me.
He's not trans or anything like that.
No, he's just a boy.
And the.
So, okay, your daughter, well, I guess now your son?
Right.
To be correct.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
To be.
Is he, she taking puberty blockers?
Oh, I'm not about to talk about my kids' stuff.
He watches all this, so we're not about to talk about that.
You don't want to talk about that?
That's fine.
Okay.
But is there plans for changing the appearance and all that?
Definitely.
And I'm all for it.
But are you saying you want them to wait until they're 18?
I think that honestly, I feel like a little bit older than 18.
You know what I mean?
Because that's the Still young at 18, you know, okay, but I mean, I was on board for like the hair, you know, I she's tatted, like, you know, whatever.
I feel like that's a he, he's tatted, yeah, you're misgendering your own, yeah, okay.
I'm so used to it, you know, this was literally last week.
Does oh, she said it that she was like, oh, by the way, I want to go by that, and I'm like, fire, all right, let me, it's gonna take me some time.
So, short hair, been short hair though, for like four years, yeah, oh wow, okay, okay, so, um, and he looks hella cool, tatted, does he, I mean, she does he.
Say he, yeah.
He, yeah, yeah.
Does he like get mad at you if you fuck up the pronouns or no?
No, yeah.
I think he's very understanding because this is also new to me, you know?
So, okay.
Somebody looks like somebody bought some merch.
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All right.
Okay, that's super interesting.
Dating Show Casting Preferences00:15:21
So, you've been single for three years, though.
Yes.
Can you crack a door open?
So, Are there currently any guys in the picture?
No.
Yeah?
No?
Yes.
I don't know.
When's the last time you hung out with a guy?
Oh, I don't know who's watching this.
Oh, what night?
No, I'm playing.
So you have a roster?
I wouldn't say I have a roster.
No, I would say that I hang out with people and they know what it is.
They know that I am not interested in pursuing a relationship.
So whatever happens that night happens.
And we're just hanging out.
We're chilling.
And I make that very clear from the beginning.
Because when I love, I love very hard and I've lost.
Myself once in a relationship, and I think we can all kind of relate to that, you know.
As a woman, like, you know, you fall for that fairy tale shit, and it's just not real, you know.
So, this happened a long time ago in that five year relationship that I spoke of earlier.
Oh, fairy tales.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
So, now can I have you just push your cup a little bit?
Just like push it.
Yeah, perfect.
Thank you.
So, now I'm more so of just like, I'm very focused on what I need to do, and I'm getting very far in what I'm doing.
I've, you know, I came from being homeless with my daughter.
To now having so much things right, and just I built myself so I find it that when I'm single, it's just best for me for you, for me, yeah.
Not everybody, obviously, but good for you, yeah.
For me, oh, yeah, good for you, thank you.
Gotcha.
Uh, what about you?
Uh, I've been keeping it on the DL, but I'm in a relationship.
Oh, you're in a relationship.
Why were you keeping it on the DL?
Um, well, because you're dating multiple guys, or no, just um, because of like casting, sometimes there's some casting.
Yeah, because I act and stuff.
So sometimes it's just better.
Oh, that sounds really sketch, bro.
Well, just because at the beginning we were kind of seeing each other.
So there was no title, but then since recently we're.
Wait, why would you hide your relationship status for casting?
I don't know.
Sometimes it's just like, oh, like we want a single person for this ad, even though there's nothing actually going on with other people, but they just want us, like, single person.
So you're like, yeah, single.
I guess for like a dating show, maybe you might want them to be.
Yeah, potentially.
But, like actual acting gigs, I don't think they would.
Like, for a proper acting gig, I don't see why your relationship status should matter.
No, I'm going to defend you.
Yeah, yeah, it's very true.
As a woman, they're more prone to hiring you if you're single, available, ready, and all that.
But if you're no, trust me, it is.
You can shake your head, but you haven't obviously been in that situation, right?
Well, no, I mean, so I understand, like, if these must be really, like, sketchy, low quality productions.
So I understand that there's a casting couch and these.
These photographers, or whatever, like they want a casting couch, they want to fucking Harvey Weinstein you, or whatever.
Like, I fucking get that.
But, like, for most professional productions, whether you're single, you're married, you're in a relationship, I don't see how that shouldn't matter.
Like, it shouldn't matter.
But I don't even know why they would, like, why would they ask you?
Like, that's not relevant to.
I can give an example.
So, one of them, it was for a certain drink.
That they were gonna do ads for, and then in the ad, they want me to say something of the sort like, If so, I'm single, if I'm up for this brand, then maybe you are, kind of thing.
So, I have to like in the ad say I'm single, so they prefer to say that I am.
So, but if I am in a relationship, I can't do the casting, yeah.
You can't do the casting, they don't want someone who's in a relationship.
So, wait, they up front ask if you're in a relationship.
Yeah, they will only cast people that are in a relationship.
Acting is make believe.
So, this idea that in an advertising campaign, an actor does not actually need to be single to say that.
Okay.
No, what you're saying is right.
Also, it's not how it is.
I know the real world, though.
I've done a lot of commercial castings where it's like, for example, if there's a dating app, Thing they want you to be single because they don't want any chance of someone seeing me.
I need you speaking close to my sorry apologies.
So, uh, for like dating app commercials, for example, they will make you they will only cast people who are single because they don't want anyone who's in a relationship promoting it because that undermines the dating app.
How the would it undermine the dating?
What that makes like no sense.
I mean, I'm gonna take your word for it, I'm gonna just say I believe you.
That's still not what you not you guys, but that's just retarded.
Yeah.
Like if this is actually true, it's just retarded.
It's true.
But there was a moment in time, like we were seeing each other, and I felt like it could go somewhere, but we weren't, like, in a relationship.
So I was still open for that kind of castings for a bit.
So I wasn't, like, openly saying that title.
But now, like, it's locked in, so I won't be taking those kinds of things.
How long have you been seeing him?
Since November.
Okay, so about six months.
Six months, yeah.
What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
Three years.
Three years.
Who broke up with who?
It's a little touchy, but he died.
Oh.
Yeah.
Okay.
There you go.
Sorry for your loss.
Oh my God.
Okay.
And let's see.
So you've been seeing this guy for six months?
Yeah.
Like in a relationship, or you met him six months ago?
I met him six months ago.
Okay.
During that period of time, were you dating other men before making it official?
I was open to it, but I wasn't dating any.
Okay.
Is he Canadian?
Yeah.
Okay.
Did he go to college?
Yeah.
Did he get a degree?
Did he graduate?
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Ever married?
No.
Okay.
What about you?
Single.
How long have you been single?
Since June of last year, so 11 months.
11 months, okay.
Longest relationship?
Three years.
Ever married?
Mm hmm.
That was my husband.
Only once?
Just one marriage, yeah.
Okay.
Kids?
No.
No kids?
No kids.
Wait.
She passed away.
Oh.
I don't.
Shit.
Okay, sorry.
I didn't write about it, so I don't know.
I think I saw something online.
Oh, it's in a documentary.
I saw something in the documentary.
Yeah, she passed away.
Okay, so I don't.
Was that referenced in the documentary?
It was.
Well, I'm very sorry to hear that.
I didn't know that.
Single for 11 months.
How long was the relationship that ended 11 months ago?
Three years.
Three years, okay.
Wait, is that the same one that you said your longest relationship three years?
Mm hmm.
That was the same guy.
And you said you're married?
Oh, well, not right now.
Not used to be.
Yes, sorry.
Is that the three year?
Yeah.
I see.
Okay.
Who initiated the divorce?
Me, but we stayed together for six months after the divorce.
It's complicated.
Wait, you got divorced but kept dating?
Yes.
It's complicated.
It is complicated.
True love.
All right.
Okay.
All right, what about you?
Single.
How long have you been single?
Since I was born.
Okay, your whole life.
That's right.
Okay, so let's explore that.
We're going to explore that.
So, you've been single your whole life.
What's the longest period of time?
So, you've never had a boyfriend, is what you're saying?
No.
Mike.
What's the longest period of time you have seen a guy?
Not very long at all.
A week, two weeks?
Maybe.
A month?
It's like a number of times, maybe.
Four or five, and then.
Four or five times.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what?
But four or five times over the.
You can see somebody four or five times in a week.
It could take a month.
It could take two months.
Yeah.
I'm not seeing anyone right now.
And that was for a really long time because I'm focusing on my studies, my life, everything like this.
And yeah, that's it.
And so, but the guy that you saw four or five times.
I see him.
One, two, three, four, five.
Approximately.
Cinq.
Combien de temps?
Combien de temps est-ce que tu as fait le boom boom avec cet jeune homme?
Did I say that right?
I think she got it in English too.
Oh, yeah.
I'm not French.
I'm not French, but I can understand.
Yes.
I'm okay.
I'm just.
This is more for me.
I'm practicing my French.
No.
Can I add something?
Sorry, I'm going.
But when she was in France, France, she was like a different person than she is now, so she was like really studying, not very social, and maybe a little bit from a strict, more strict family, I'd say.
So, and then like religious family, no, just strict, strict.
Yeah, so you're I've never seen a dad in France.
So, you're you never what seen a boy in France, like never seen me dating.
I wasn't dating at all.
I had my first kiss when I arrived.
You had your first kiss, wait, and you're 24, yeah.
How old were you when you had your first kiss?
Around 22.
Oh, okay, so like two years ago.
Okay.
When she moved to Montreal is when she started, like, so she's freshly new to, like, the dating scene and all that.
How long have you been friends with her?
Over, like, a year.
Yeah.
Last summer.
So she's your wingman, wingwoman.
For sure.
Wingwoman.
Okay, is she a bad influence on you?
No, very good influence.
My best influence there.
What's that?
My best influence there in Montreal.
But we have some bad influences in our friend group.
Friend group.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those Canadians, what can I say?
Yeah.
They get up to no good.
All right, so.
A month?
Four months.
Are you a virgin?
No, not anymore, no.
When did you lose your virginity?
At 23.
Okay, so like a year ago.
Yeah.
And is that the guy?
You said you saw a guy four or five times.
Yeah.
But it's not.
I don't want to speak about that much.
She's seen a few people since, sir.
She didn't just see one guy, she saw a few people.
At the same time?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Yeah, I'm just like one after the other kind of thing.
Yeah.
A few, like a few people at the same time.
No, one after the other.
But she just hasn't just seen one guy for that four or five times.
She's seen a few guys.
Oh, okay.
Like four or five times, let's say.
No, but I asked her what's the longest.
So she hasn't had a boyfriend, but what's the longest period of time she was talking to or hanging out with a guy?
So, like, if you went on.
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe one month.
A month, okay.
All right.
And, okay.
And how many different guys have you had that with?
Not a lot.
How did you meet them?
Dating app?
I tried, but I really didn't like it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Sure.
Mutual friends.
Yeah.
Mutual friends?
Yeah.
Okay.
What are you looking for?
Right now, someone who understands me, who supports me, who is able to teach me a lot of things that I don't know.
Patient, like I want to find a partner in life, not just a guy that is there for me.
We will be a team, and I'm still, I know that I will meet someone later.
I'm sure about that.
So I'm not stressing me out.
Oh, I need to find someone right now.
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
It will happen when it will happen.
Okay.
But are you just having fun right now or?
No.
A little closer to the mic.
No.
Okay.
So you are, you're not in a rush.
But you would like something more serious.
Yeah, for sure.
Got it.
All right.
What about you?
I'm single.
I've been single for a little over a year.
I'm in the same as her.
Looking for something serious, but I'm not in a rush.
And then, longest relationship?
Seven months.
Seven months?
Yeah.
Any kids?
No.
Ever married?
No.
Okay.
You've been single for one year.
Did the seven month one end a year ago?
No, that was a different relationship.
Are there any guys in the picture currently?
No.
For you, are there any men in the picture currently?
No.
No guy?
No guy.
You're not on the dating app?
No dating app.
You're not talking to a guy?
No talking to a guy.
You didn't kiss a guy recently?
It was maybe three weeks ago.
Three weeks ago.
Three weeks ago.
Oh, okay.
Wait, wait.
I have something on this.
Okay.
No guy in the picture?
No.
I am on dating apps, but I'm not.
Dating apps?
Okay.
What about you?
So my last relate.
I'm single, and my last relationship ended about nine ish months ago.
Okay.
My longest relationship wasn't my last one.
It was around three years.
No kids, never married.
Perfect.
Thank you.
What about you?
I'm single.
I've been single since last June.
My longest relationship was four years, and I don't have kids.
Ever married?
I have not been married.
What about you?
Longest relationship is seven years.
And I've been single for about four years.
Ever married?
No.
Any kids?
Two.
Same father?
Nope.
Two different ones.
Two different fathers.
Okay.
Age of kids?
11 and 15.
All right.
And then the two different fathers, how long were you dating them respectively?
Before I got pregnant.
Well, how long were you with them total?
I was with my oldest son's father for about, I want to say, three and a half.
And then my youngest, he was seven years.
It was kind of off and on, but pretty much together the whole time.
Yeah, he passed away.
How soon into each relationship did you get pregnant?
Very quick.
How quick?
About, I want to say, three months in.
XQC Marital Issues Discussed00:08:05
For both of them, yes, damn, y'all be moving fast, yeah.
Now, question oh, I guess, question for both of you um, were these were you guys like trying to get pregnant?
No, was it were you on birth control?
Were you on birth control?
Birth control, uh, the first one, no, the second one, yeah, so like it didn't work.
What were you taking?
Um, the shot, the depot shot, the depot shot, really?
I love it, I got lost, okay.
And so you were on the depth, yeah, because that's a bit more effective because it's not like, oh, I forgot my pill.
Interesting.
Very strong.
Okay, so, but the first one, so, question, were you, like, were you, the first pregnancy, you said no birth control?
Were you using protection?
No.
Was he just blasting?
Yes.
Up inside?
Everywhere.
And you weren't on birth control?
No.
Bro.
I was 17.
17.
Good times.
Do you have a type?
Do I have a type?
Like white guys, Asian guys, Latino.
I tatted Asian gangsters.
I mean, you know.
Okay, so it's an Asian guy.
Yeah, they're both Asian.
Both, okay.
Same gang.
Same gang.
Oh, shit, so they know each other.
Right.
No, they're not friends.
They bang together.
That sounded weird.
No pun intended.
That's what they do.
They bang.
Yeah, they're, I think, highly more of one than the other, obviously.
Sure.
But yeah.
Okay, so.
Could that be the reason why you got shot?
No.
No.
That was, I was 17.
Oh, okay, good.
Yeah, I got shot because she had two guys in the same gang, no?
No, but earlier I had said that it had nothing to do with them.
And then for you, you were not on birth control?
No.
Not on birth control?
Were they just blasting inside?
Sometimes, and then sometimes pull out, but yeah, just going full force doesn't work.
Blasting, no, yeah.
I mean, pull out.
Pull out.
It has like an 81% rating or something.
I mean, you got to.
If the girl's not on birth control and you're not pulling out, not wearing a rubber, and you're just blasting inside raw, she's gonna get fucking pregnant.
She's gonna get pregnant.
So, I mean, shit, okay.
They're rolling the dice with their dick.
Well, with their child support payments, I guess.
Well, not in any way.
No, not in any way.
No, not in any way.
No, neither.
Okay, independent.
Well, there it is.
Okay, so that's everyone's relationship status.
So, what we're gonna do, we have two lovely Canadian women here.
Can you pull up Twitch?
I hope he's still live.
I'm going to, well, you're in a relationship, but I'm going to do her a favor.
I'm going to, fuck, he's not online, never mind.
Actually, wait, there's another guy.
Okay, here's who you're gonna twitch.tv slash Bobka, B O B K A, and you're gonna put it in video tab.
And then you can put the video.
So these are, they're Canadian.
Is Peyo, this fucker, Peyo is offline, damn it.
I was gonna get you set up with Peyo.
I'm also, we're gonna do XVC.
All right, come on, guys, come on.
Pull it up, please.
Bob what?
B O B K A, twitch.tv slash B O B K A.
This guy is a World of Warcraft.
Player, you're gonna go full screen, full screen, full screen, full screen, video tab, video tab, full screen, full screen, full screen.
All right, so he plays.
He's in the middle of a match, but I'm gonna set you up with him.
He lives in Canada.
Lower the volume a bit, lower the volume a little bit.
I broke his van.
I have sheep.
Gonna step to him.
Big, big ghosty, too.
All right, so he played.
This is uh World of Warcraft, the Burning Crusade, and um, he plays uh, he's a rogue.
They're in arena right now.
This looks like a 3v3.
Oh boy, here we go.
Um, it looks like they're up against what's that, a mage?
There, no, that's on his team.
No, no, no, that's the opponent.
Wait, I can't see who's yes, that is a mate.
Wait, oh, he just got feared.
He just got feared.
Yeah, he resists shatter.
Who's on his team?
Oh, they lost.
They lost.
Hey, tell Bobka guys, if I'm gonna open up another tab, tell Bobka.
We're watching him right now.
I'm trying to set him up with a girl.
So, do you want to date video game players?
I'm not really into video games.
Doesn't matter.
And he's a Giga Chad.
He has almost 2,000 subs.
So, he's a fucking Giga Chad.
And somebody tell Vodka that we're reacting to him right now.
So, let's see.
So, he's like one of the top tier rogue players in World of Warcraft.
And he's in Canada.
I don't know if you can detect.
The accents a little bit.
So, are you down to datum?
I don't see him.
He doesn't.
What does he look like?
I hear him.
I hear him.
Here, boost the volume really quick.
All the way, I guess.
It'd be good to be careful.
She goes sometimes.
It'd be fun.
Oh, wait.
You know what?
Okay, well, here, pause that.
Pause that.
Yeah, and then go to XQC.
So, twitch.tv slash XQC.
Pause the audio, please.
Do you know XQC?
He's also Canadian.
Okay, I'm gonna set you up with him.
XQC.
XQC.
Based on the accent, he's not fucking here.
Pull it up, please.
Alright, so I'm gonna get you set up with.
This is your option, too.
Unfortunately, Peo went offline, otherwise, I would have done it.
Hello?
Can we get it pulled up, please?
Oh my god, he's just watching a fucking video.
Alright, fuck it.
Never mind.
Alright.
Maybe pull up XQC's Instagram.
Pull up XQC's Instagram.
Pause the audio, please.
All right, pull up his Instagram.
It's probably just, I don't know, Google XQC Instagram.
And because look, she's never had a boyfriend.
I'm trying to help her out.
I'm trying to be.
All right, scroll.
Okay, window tab, please.
Scroll down.
Okay, so this is XQC.
Scroll down.
Scroll down all the way to the bottom.
He's Canadian.
He's a nice guy.
And he speaks French.
He speaks French.
So he's a friend of mine.
He's a friend of mine.
Creepy.
Scroll back up, scroll back up.
Yeah, and so those are some photos.
So, is he your type?
I need to see the people in real life to know if it's my type or not.
Because it's all about his mania, his being.
I don't know.
It's a whole thing, it's not just a picture.
Right, so I understand that there's more than just his appearance and other things, but based off what you've seen, would you go on a date with him?
Maybe.
The multi millionaire, super famous?
I won't say no because it's everything you're trying to do.
Yeah, I tried my best.
I tried.
I tried XQC.
The poor guy, XQC, he's had some marital issues.
Long time ago, he's out of that mess now.
But you are Canadian, you're also from the French part.
I'm French, but you live in Canada.
Sorry, you're French, but you live in Canada.
You live in Canada.
He is Canadian.
He speaks French.
You don't need your translator there.
Crying as Manipulation Tactics00:14:58
No.
So it'll be all good.
All right.
Okay, well, that's everyone's relationships ask.
We're going to get into.
Where do we go first?
I actually need to get up momentarily.
What was there?
Okay, no payo.
Rip, Okay.
Let's see the first topic.
One sec here, guys.
Actually, Let's start with disagreements.
I feel like I'm kind of lollygagging here with the beginning phase of the show.
Does anyone have any disagreements?
Oh, bro, what?
Damn, I told her the instructions and she just.
All right.
Don't worry.
Any disagreements anybody has?
With what?
Not yet.
Don't make me dig through the.
Color is a scam.
Like with you?
I agree with.
Right.
Any disagreements with you, you mean?
Maybe.
You said that.
Oh, okay.
She's getting up then.
All right.
I'm pretty sure some of you guys had disagreements in your notes.
Do I have to really prompt you guys?
Or.
Okay.
Disagreement.
All right.
We'll get to that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Here, why don't we do that?
Go ahead.
What's your disagreement?
Oh, me?
Yeah.
Just a little baby disagreement.
I think a lot of times you say women cry just to manipulate people, and that's like.
A podium you stand on.
Well, don't misrepresent the position.
I'm sorry.
So, the position is not in all instances when women cry, they're doing so to be manipulative.
That's not it.
Okay.
However, would you agree with me that women do cry to manipulate in some instances?
Yes.
A small percentage.
Small percentage.
Okay.
Probably.
Okay.
I don't know if it's a small percentage, and this is going to vary by women to women.
But okay, continue on with your disagreement though.
Oh, just, I mean, because I think you also say that the Socrates quote, and then I researched the Socrates quote, heavily misattributed.
A lot of people don't think actually Socrates said it.
But I think your laser focus on that does not allow for women to, like, a lot of times I cry out of joy.
Almost every day.
So, it's just.
Yeah, well, okay, I guess a couple things.
So, first off, there's a mischaracterization here as to the laser focus.
Okay.
This topic has come up perhaps three, four times out of nearly 300 episodes that we've done.
So I think laser focus.
This is not a topic that comes up a lot.
Hold on, I have a TTS coming through.
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Thank you, man.
I don't know who Joe is.
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Pan out, but I'm trying.
It's hard scheduling people, and especially like to align it all on one date.
But I'm trying.
Thank you for the TTS.
Okay, so your disagreement that women cry to manipulate.
So, again, not all instances where women cry, they are doing so to be manipulative.
I don't even think I would say it's the majority of the time.
I couldn't give you a percentage off the top of my head.
I don't know.
I would say this though women are more likely to cry.
In a way to manipulate as compared to men.
When women cry, as compared to men, it's often over something.
When men cry, typically, they're fucked up.
A woman will cry because she had a rough day.
I've seen men cry because they've had a rough day.
Yeah, but okay, so I'm speaking, hold on.
I'm speaking here as a sort of general principle.
So, yes, there are men who will stub their toe or will be minorly inconvenienced and will cry.
Yes.
However, here's my position.
I'm trying to think the best way to frame it.
Women, I guess the easiest way, women cry more.
Women cry more than men.
Can we start there as a.
Do we agree?
I don't agree.
Definitely.
You disagree.
I disagree.
I would agree.
I think it just varies per person.
Well, hold on, hold on.
Because you won't catch me crying more than these men.
No, but still, hold on.
So there are women who are stoic and you'll never see them cry.
And then there are men who are highly emotional.
Who will cry?
But these are sort of, I would say, leaning towards, especially for the man, very outlier.
As a general principle, on average, I'm asking you, do women cry more than men?
I guess we'll never know.
Well, we don't know.
It's true, though, we won't know.
We can know.
I don't know if I could point to a study, but I don't think you need a study to point to, like, to refer to, like, anecdotal, universal experiences.
I really just feel like that's an opinion.
Common sense.
It's an opinion.
Okay, well, here, before I respond to you, let me open it up.
What do you think?
Hold on.
I think women cry more than men because it's more socially acceptable to do so, but I don't think it's in a way to manipulate anyone.
I just, like, it's hard to fake cry.
I don't think it's hard to fake cry anybody.
But again, my position is not in all instances where women cry, they do so to manipulate.
Although, I do think there are probably some times where women may cry unconsciously in an effort to confer some sort of sympathy or benefit, where they might not be consciously attempting to do so.
Not in all instances.
I haven't done that, but I've been accused of it.
So.
Okay.
What do you think?
Miss Anthropology Society.
Not which part.
Well, let's start with if we can agree to some baseline things.
So, my position is as a baseline, women cry more than men.
For me personally, I don't know.
I'm not asking you personally.
Okay.
So, when I say women cry more than men, did I say Tatum cries more than men?
No, I meant my observations might be a bit because of the line of work that I do.
I see men in vulnerable positions.
So, I see a lot of men crying a lot.
So.
Okay.
I don't know.
But so, for example, if you're a police officer and you saw a disproportionate amount of dead bodies, as police officers frequently do, I don't think you could then map that on to a sort of average.
I understand.
Like, for example, let's say you're very specialized, you're a homicide detective.
Right.
Your sole job relates to investigating murders and homicides, right?
Yeah.
You would not map that on and say, like, the majority of people commit.
Homicides and murders, because on a daily basis I'm dealing with the investigation of homicides and murders.
So, in your case, your claim, you're going to say, Well, I'm a sex worker and these men are very vulnerable and they sometimes cry when receiving my services or whatever.
Well, besides my line of work, I will say that the most masculine men I've dated are the ones who've cried the most.
And the more feminine men I've dated, I never saw them cry once.
Which is fascinating, right?
The most masculine men you've dated cried the most.
Yes, because they're in touch with themselves and they're so confident in their masculinity that they're okay crying.
And I think that's awesome.
Can I ask you a question?
The most masculine man you've ever dated.
Yes.
When you say he was comfortable crying in front of you, what was the.
Could you maybe list a few of the things that he cried about?
So, for example, I would have no quarrel with a man crying if his mom died, his father died, a sibling died, perhaps even a pet, a beloved pet died.
Were those the circumstances under which the man was crying?
I mean, there's a handful of circumstances, but I mean, my husband, when I told him I wanted to work at a brothel, he definitely cried.
I'm gonna allow that as a reason for a man to cry.
Your fucking wife wants to become a prostitute.
I'll give him a pass on that.
Yeah, I'm gonna okay that from as representative of the male delegation.
Your fucking wife wants to become a prostitute and the relationship is basically over, I guess.
Yeah, you can cry, I guess.
Sure.
No, we stayed married for two years.
Yikes.
Okay, well, I don't know what's going on there.
Okay.
But okay, most masculine men, what were the things he was crying over?
Other things?
Sure.
I think he did a lot of crying around that topic, but in the other relationship, it was just like, you know, processing his own relationship with his father and everything, crying through that.
That's like really honorable to do in person.
Well, so I mean, I'm not going to dig too much.
No, I know, I know.
But if there was like abuse, this can obviously.
No, no, no, no.
This can obviously, and if you're like talking through that.
Then that could probably prompt tears.
I'm actually going to walk back the granting that he cried when you told him you want to be a prostitute.
Honestly, I think if your wife tells you she wants to fuck other men for money, I think you have to be a stone cold killer.
You can be upset by that.
You got to be a stone cold killer and just instantly divorce.
And I don't think you should cry.
Fuck that.
No.
If my girlfriend came to me, or my wife even, my wife comes to me, Hypothetical wife comes to me.
Excuse me, Brian.
I want other men's penises in and around my mouth and vagina for money.
Hell yeah.
Fuck no.
I'm like, I'm gonna be like, oh, do you now?
Okay.
I'm gonna pull up my phone.
All right, Mr. fucking.
I'm gonna call a Jewish lawyer.
Excuse me.
I need the best divorce attorney.
No.
Are you Jewish?
Huh?
Are you Jewish?
No, but I mean, they're known for being good lawyers.
Oh, I just thought you were Jewish.
No, they're solid lawyers.
I'm going to call it.
All right.
Right.
Mr. Goldstein.
I need a divorce.
And I'm going to, yeah, and it's an instant divorce.
I'm either like, get the fuck out the house, out the house you go, or I'm leaving if we got kids.
All right.
Custody dispute.
I'm trying to get the kids.
100% custody.
But I ain't crying.
I am not crying.
When's the last time you cried?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Brian.
Yeah, Brian.
Let me think about that.
You know what?
I was watching a sentimental movie.
Let me think.
What the.
No, I'm kidding.
Wait, what the fuck?
What was the movie that I was watching?
Shit.
I'm trying.
Was it a documentary?
I cry all the time.
Was it Babe?
You know at the end?
You know at the end?
Have you seen Babe?
Probably not.
It's an old movie.
The pig movie?
The pig movie.
Yeah.
And the old man is like, this cute little pig is like, that'll do, pig.
That'll do.
Oh my God.
Heartbreaking, instant tear.
No, I'm kidding.
Oh.
Oh, so he did cry, yeah.
So you cry at movies.
Are you trolling us?
I'm trolling, obviously.
I did.
He did cry.
In my heart.
Right.
He did.
I cried internally when he was like, that'll do, pig.
That'll do.
Holy shit.
Does that stem from maybe like, you know, because that's like a.
Thing with, do you have a good relationship with your dad?
It's not like you got parents' issues.
No, But I get that, though.
You know what I mean?
Because, like, coming from an Asian household, like, you'll never hear your parents be like, I'm so proud of you.
Like, let me hug you.
That shit don't exist, right?
So it's like, you know, nowadays, like, when I do something, you know, somebody close to me or somebody I actually respect is like, oh, I'm proud of you for doing this.
And, you know, it's like, oh, you feel differently, you know?
So I think maybe, like, you referencing that part from the movie, you weren't growing up with people being like, I'm proud of you?
No, my parents were both very loving.
They're still married.
Maybe it just Touched something.
Very, very pretty normal.
I'm just curious.
Good household, parents still together, still married, loving, caring parents.
So, no, it was.
I wasn't like thinking I was a.
I mean, I'm a pig now, but that's another conversation to be had.
Hold on, we have a TTS here, really quick, from Adzils.
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Yeah, no, I thought that's who you're talking about, but he was on, like.
He was on the panel for, I think, one episode a long time ago, and then did security on like two episodes.
So I don't feel like he was super central that would warrant him coming on.
But thank you, Adzils, for the TTS.
Appreciate it.
Okay, back to crying.
Did anyone else want to weigh in on this topic?
Who cries more, men or women?
Me.
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You.
I cry a lot.
You cry a lot.
Okay, what about you?
I cry a lot, but I definitely agree that women cry more than men.
In general, women cry more.
What do you think?
In general, women cry more.
I agree, women cry more.
What do you think?
Women cry more, and I was going to say I cry a lot, hormonal changes.
Hormonal crying.
Yeah.
And then you said you cry a lot?
Yeah.
I'm a sensitive person.
Sensitive.
Yeah, sensitive.
Did you cry today?
No, yesterday.
Yesterday, you cried.
But just a little bit, one minute.
But so, question for you How often would you say you cry?
I don't have an average.
Well, but it happens when it happens.
Sometimes it's a week.
Sometimes it may be like two times a day.
I don't know.
But after that, I don't cry for one month.
It's like very short periods, and then I'm good.
Okay.
So, how many times have you cried?
You cried yesterday?
Just one minute, a little bit.
Why didn't you see that?
Why did you cry?
Because I was stressed to come here.
Oh, no.
But right now, I'm okay.
Stressed to come on the podcast?
A little bit, yeah.
Stressed to come on the podcast.
All right.
Like, hey, it can be stressful, right?
But what about something else?
What's another reason you've recently cried?
I miss my family.
Miss your family?
Okay.
Missing family.
Homesick.
Homesick.
What's something else?
Can you scoot into the table?
Yeah.
Like, scoot, scoot, scoot.
Even when watching films?
With animals, especially?
Pig.
Yes.
The little pig.
I don't know the pig.
I know Balto.
I know.
The Husky one.
I don't remember the name.
The Husky one.
It was a very good film.
Avatar?
I haven't seen Avatar.
I haven't seen Avatar?
Yeah.
Do you know Denver?
No.
Tu connais Denver, le dernier dinosaur?
Tu connais?
No.
Tu connais ça?
No.
Ah, eh bien donc, c'est quoi ça?
Ah, okay, so.
This is a craziest crossover.
What about Marley and me?
Oh, Marley.
Oh, you cry.
That one always gets me wrong.
Oh, it's so good.
That's the Golden Retriever one?
No, it's a Hus.
No, it was like a lab.
It was like a lab.
It was like a Yellow Lab.
Yeah.
Archie gets me.
Archie.
Yeah, Archie.
All right, sometimes a film will move you.
Damn, I'm trying to think.
There's something that got me misty recently.
It wasn't the Hulk Hogan documentary.
Poor Hulk.
My old biopic.
Poor Hulk Hogan, man.
Let's see.
Shit.
What was the.
Oh, man.
Damn, I'm trying to remember what it was.
Some fucking documentary.
Anyways, okay, so you cry frequently.
All right.
I'm doing better.
Look, so okay, here's my first position.
Women cry more than men.
So, Anna agreed?
I agree, yeah.
You disagree, though.
And then you.
I think women have more access to their emotions at this point in time, and men are catching up.
Men are catching up.
Well, there could be like a hormonal, as she said, predisposition to this.
But could it be that emotions may manifest in different ways?
So.
I think men tend to go.
To anger before like crying.
So for me, like if they get mad, it's like the female version of crying.
Yeah, I agree.
But once again, I think it's because it's more socially acceptable for us to cry and I guess more socially acceptable for them to get angry.
But often I'm like, I don't know, just when they get angry, I'm like, you're crying.
Right.
Well, that's true.
Every time a man yells at me, I cry.
I'm sensitive.
If you yell at me, I'm going to cry.
Same.
It's just.
It's going to disappear for any strong emotion.
I'm going to hit him.
It's too strong.
Now, the quote that I'm referencing, and you are correct that there is, whether it's attributed to Socrates or not, there's obviously some, and it's more likely than not, he didn't actually say this.
Regardless of who actually is the originator of the quote, though, I think it does speak to some truth.
And again, not all instances.
And I would say, even the majority of times when women are crying, certainly they're not doing so as a means of manipulation.
However, I do think that they're, depending on the context, in a crying that occurs in a social interaction and specific social interactions.
The rates of when crying occurs in these specific social interactions can actually be quite a high amount of manipulation.
What specific social interactions?
Well, one specific situation where you might be holding a woman accountable.
In that specific situation, if you do see tears, I think there's actually quite a high probability that tears are used as a method to attempt to elicit sympathy and.
And tears have a tendency to shut down dialogue.
Now, I'll give you examples.
Now, it's never my goal.
The reason I cite it on the podcast is not to say when women are crying in other contexts that they're doing so to manipulate.
But we have had women cry on the podcast, and this often has occurred.
And again, it's never my goal, but it has happened.
When women cry on the podcast, this typically has been.
Happens when I'm pushing back on something.
And what happens when a woman cries, it's actually the manipulation is actually not even necessarily an action from the woman.
Notice we have eight women here.
The moment a woman cries, ah, well, we have to put aside the logical conversation we're having and we need to placate and we need to coddle her.
Oh my God, are you okay?
Is everything okay?
Do you need an applesauce?
You need a little blanket?
It shuts down conversation.
And if I continue with my line of questioning, and by the way, this has happened very few times, a handful of times this has happened.
We've had 300 episodes, we've had 2,000 women plus on the show.
This is not a common occurrence.
But I have noticed a pattern where if you start continuing on with the questions or whatever, and the woman's crying, it is somehow other women will do a sisterhood thing despite a logical presentation of the actual conversation.
It shuts down conversation, and I believe that is manipulative.
Oh, so it's like you're saying it's a collective manipulation rather than.
Well, it's a sympathy thing in the sense that we've had women cry oftentimes over very.
It's not like I hit a sensitive thing, for example, I mean, obviously, if you've had a loss or whatever, it's not like I hit something sensitive there.
It's just they start crying because, for whatever reason.
Okay, I'll give you an example.
Oh, here's a perfect example.
I was talking to a girl, and a famous clip.
She said, she invoked misogyny.
She said, not me directly, but she said that I think maybe it was a chatter, or there was an idea that was being presented.
And she said, that's a very misogynistic idea.
That's the essence of it.
It was a long time ago.
I might be misremembering the context.
But she did invoke misogyny.
And I asked her to define misogyny.
And she couldn't define it.
And I was like, well, what?
And she started crying.
Because she maybe felt embarrassed.
She didn't know the definition of it.
And then she asked to leave.
And the other women, when, by the way, I wasn't like, you stupid fucking bitch, how do you.
I was very calm.
I was very calm.
I was just like, so what's the definition?
And then the women were like, Brian, Brian, stop, stop.
She.
She's crying.
I'm like, okay, well, it's a discussion podcast.
I mean, like as if I was treading on her by talking to her.
I don't know.
So I don't know.
That's the manipulation, I guess, where it will be used to attempt to cultivate sympathy from surrounder, nearby people, or whatever.
And once the tears come out, you can no longer.
I don't know.
Right.
So the goal is to continue dialogue through tears.
Like, potentially.
And that's not a bad thing.
I think that would be a strength to be able to keep talking through tears.
I suppose, but I mean, it's not like I'm just going to super dig in.
But, well, I guess here's the other component I will be blamed for her crying.
So that's the other manipulation that occurs.
She cried, and I'm to blame.
And again, I'm not usually, I make a very good effort to avoid insults.
I might disagree with people, but I try to avoid just straight up insulting people.
But even disagreements or inquiry into somebody's perspective has resulted in this.
And I'll get blamed.
You made her cry.
I'm sorry.
I don't, I don't, I reject that as an idea that I made them cry.
They cried.
They are, in fact, crying, but I made them cry.
Now I'm the villain.
I'm the monster.
I'm the bad guy for her, perhaps, disproportionate emotional reaction.
Or even if it's a valid emotional reaction, why am I to be blamed as the cause of this reaction?
Yeah, I don't think you should be blamed, but I think that crying over embarrassment is a very, you know, common reaction.
People get embarrassed and they cry because they don't know, you know, we're embarrassed.
That's the whole reason.
So I don't think you should be blamed, but I think maybe a little bit of understanding about why she's crying because she's embarrassed.
That's like, you know, just basic human decency.
I think we should just be nice to each other.
And I'm not saying you weren't nice to her.
I'm saying, like, just be like, okay, I shouldn't be blamed, but she's crying because she's embarrassed.
Could be.
I'll be right back, but you guys can either continue on on the crying thing or discuss something else.
I don't want to talk about crying anymore.
Continue on.
Carry on.
I think it's the fault of the English language.
It's like when you say, I hurt my hand, it doesn't mean that you took a hammer and hit your hand.
Like your hand hurts.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe she was just nervous and yeah.
And it's hard to talk when you're crying.
So, well, a lot of people use words that they really don't know the meaning to just because they hurt somebody else, use them.
I will raise them.
Probably so.
Yeah.
But don't you think a lot, like, I think a lot of crying is involuntary.
So I think it's interesting to say, like, I think, okay, sure, maybe sometimes it's manipulative, but a lot of it is so involuntary.
Yeah.
Can't we just accept?
Like, a lot of human behavior is involuntary.
Like, I raise my eyebrows too much.
It's not like I'm trying to.
Like, if it's manipulative, I don't think it's fully consciously intentional, personally.
Right.
And then at the same time, if someone's crying, it can be, but like, from experience, like, maybe, like, after I started crying, like, something went on to my advantage, but it's never, I'm just, like, nervous, stressed, sad.
So I'm crying.
And then.
Right.
I feel like anytime I've cried manipulatively, it was because I knew that was, like, what I was going to gain out of it.
Does that make sense?
Like, if something happens and I'm crying and I'm by myself, obviously, who am I going to have to manipulate?
But if I know that I can gain something out of it to make myself feel better, you know, I feel like everyone is guilty of that at some point.
Even if it's to your parents, you know?
I'm sure when we were younger, we were like, oh, I really want ice cream.
If I cry for it, they'll eventually give in.
So to say that, like, no one or, you know, personally, you haven't done it, you've got to think even of the small things.
I know it's like, we're talking about dating.
Even as a kid, I wasn't, I was just.
I wanted ice cream and I wasn't getting it, so let's just say it's a manipulative tactic.
And even if we're not consciously thinking about it at the time because we're children, that is what it, you know.
But I think as adults, we should have some type of regulation to that.
I don't think it's fair to use that tactic and be like, okay, let me cry to get what I want out of it.
I think I'll do whatever I want to get what I want.
Not that I do that, but I'm just saying, no, I'm not going to lie to you.
I mean, if you're like crying because if I'm in front of a man and I need to act a certain way, I'll read him, right?
And I say, okay, this is my end goal.
This is what I need to do.
Sure.
Not talking about crying just by itself.
I'm talking about like other shit, right?
Like if I need to do what I need to do and I could read this man and if that's what's stopping me from getting what I want, I'm going to do it.
Yeah.
Right?
I'm not talking about just crying.
So I don't know.
Just everything.
My brother is saying it's like, you know, we shouldn't do that.
I don't know.
No, that's not what I meant.
I mean, like, I'm not talking about men specifically.
I'm just talking about men.
Like, I mean, like, okay.
Let's just say, like, you're homeless, you have no money, you know what I mean?
Sometimes you got to cry.
Like, look, I'm starving, you know what I mean?
You might shed a tear or two.
But I'm saying, like, if you're going to work at the ranch, you know?
Fire.
But I'm saying if we're just like chilling, not getting your way, like, what is the point of that?
Because at that point, I feel like that's creating other roadblocks in whatever relationship if we're referring to relationships.
You know what I mean?
I think crying is just a waste of time sometimes.
I don't know.
That's why I tell my kids, right?
I'm not saying all that.
Like, obviously, we're human.
We have emotions, right?
Obviously.
But I just feel like some people, they'll sit there and they'll wallow in their emotions and, oh, woe is me.
And I'm fucking crying.
And, There's no solution there.
So for me, I'm a very practical thinker.
I feel like, you know, I try to teach my kids this too.
Like, you can sit there and you can cry about something, but what the fuck is that going to do?
Nothing.
So for me, I'm like, okay, cry about it.
Trauma and Male Perspectives00:15:24
Cool.
Now, what are we going to do about this?
That's just how I think about it.
So it might come off as like insensitive to me, but I think that's just how I was taught throughout life.
Like, I'm not going to sit here and cry about it.
What the fuck?
I got to figure it out, you know?
So that's why, like, when girls are like, oh my God, I just cried about it for five hours.
Why?
You know, I'd be like, bitch, what?
Drying is healthy.
Drying is healthy.
It's healthy to you, maybe.
It's not healthy to me.
You know what I mean?
To each his own, you know what I mean?
Sure.
But that's how I feel about it.
Because those five hours could have been spent figuring something else out.
Biochemically, crying does have a calming effect.
So if there is one purpose, it does calm the individual down.
Some people cry more than others.
I'm not really sure what's wrong with that.
I'm just saying, I think it is medically proven that crying is a form of comfort.
So if someone cries about something for five hours, it just might be their form of comfort at the time.
I don't think it's about like I cry more, she cries less.
It's about the same situation.
You're releasing that bad energy.
Right.
Well, here, let me ask a couple clarifying questions on the crying thing here.
You're a stripper or used to be a stripper?
Used to be, though.
Used to be.
Dance?
Used to be a stripper or you still dance?
Sometimes I do pop into clubs.
Okay, can I ask, when you guys were there, how frequently would you, and there's a locker room, right?
There's a locker room, yeah.
Would you see women crying?
No, not really.
Not really?
What about you?
Didn't see women crying?
No.
And what about your work at the ranch?
Do you hear or.
See women crying?
I'm on an individual basis.
Usually it's me.
Usually it's you.
Data was a crier.
We've already established that.
All right.
And then, I mean, the other example that I would cite too is that, for example, if on TikTok, I think women are far more performative with their crying.
So, like, here's an example I would give.
Women just, this is what women will do.
Like, have you seen the Crying.
Oh, yeah, I hate those.
But I feel like, look, from the male perspective, you can't just be dishing out cries just for the fuck of it.
As a man, there are, as the representative of the male delegation, there are some, there's a code.
There's a code that men need to live by, an honor code.
The only times in which a man is allowed to cry are as follows He has cancer, diagnosed with cancer.
Okay.
You can cry upon receiving the news that you've been diagnosed.
And then we will grant every 14 days the continuing sorrow.
You can cry once every 14 days.
If you cry before, depending on.
Successive.
If it's stage one, stage two, stage three, you know, it reduces by days.
A family member dies.
You can shed one tear if it's like a cousin.
I'm talking, you know, brother, sister, mom, dad.
You can bawl your eyes out.
You can cry.
Totally fine.
Child, yep, definitely can cry if your child dies.
What else?
You were involved with something severely traumatic.
Like, I don't know.
You saw the fucking towers in NYC fucking fall down in that moment.
You're a first responder.
You saw some shit.
You can cry.
You're a police officer involved in a shooting.
You can cry.
You're a firefighter, and it's the worst.
Fire that you've seen in 10 years and you've been up for 36 hours and you're pulling bodies out of buildings, you can cry.
What else?
Your dog dies, your cat dies.
If you have a reptile and it dies, can't cry.
Nope, sorry, reptiles don't count.
No, yes.
Okay.
Cat, dog.
Okay, got it.
Okay.
Maybe there's other.
Should we allow birds?
Birds, yes.
I don't know.
Should we allow a man to cry over a bird?
Please don't cry over a bird.
I don't know.
I'm going to wait for judgment on the bird thing.
Besides that, I'm probably forgetting something.
I don't think men should cry.
And why can't they cry in other circumstances?
I don't think men should have a voice.
Maybe I forgot one.
I'm sure I forgot one or two other circumstances.
But just in general, why can't they cry for other things?
In your opinion?
Because I think, well, there's a couple reasons.
There's a couple reasons.
So the first reason is men ought to be as in control of their emotions as possible.
And so this also would relate to, I don't know.
Well, that's one.
That's one.
Gender roles.
Now, you might say we should reject gender roles.
Okay, all of you think men should pay on first dates, get fucked.
I didn't say that.
Okay, well, I don't know.
I'm.
I'm assuming.
Almost all of you probably think that.
Most of you probably would prefer a man who's masculine.
So it's socially reinforced, it's socially stigmatized and shamed for men to cry.
Now, again, there are certain circumstances where, like, you know, if a police officer is not the one who did the shooting, but he is responding to the call and he gets there and the police officer who, you know, killed somebody.
And he sees that guy crying, the police officer should go, rub his back, give him some support, and be understanding that he's crying in that context.
You shouldn't, in genuine situations of crying, if it's not in private and it is in public, no, there shouldn't be like some sort of mocking that should go on for these people.
Or perhaps even, I don't think you should mock a man in any circumstances in which he's crying.
However, realistically speaking, there will be a social judgment that occurs.
When men do cry.
And then, in addition to that, this is also not just propped up by other men, but women themselves will, let's say it's your girlfriend, a lot of women are not prepared to deal with male emotions in that way, and you will lose attraction for that man.
It might even be on a subconscious, unconscious level.
If a dude fucking cries, it's not gonna go over well with women.
And you might say, no, of God, be supportive.
Nah, you're all full of shit.
You want a virtue signal because you want to be perceived.
Women want to protect their social standing.
And it would come off as harsh or perhaps unnurturing to say, it gives me the ick if I saw a guy cry.
But deep down somewhere, whether unconscious or conscious, a lot of women have an issue with their man crying.
Nope.
I feel like it depends on what they're crying about.
Hell yeah, I'm leaving.
It depends on what they're crying about.
And you can say this, and you say, men.
Proceed at your own peril.
This advice that you should fucking cry in front of a woman or be vulnerable in front of a woman.
It's the politically correct thing.
It's bullshit.
And women might not even understand their own psychology when they witness a male who is weak or a man who is vulnerable or a man who cries because women do not respond well to weak men.
Absolutely.
I don't.
So, men, as a general rule and principle, Should not cry in front of women, especially.
If a man cries in front of him, I'm out.
There you go.
You heard it.
I feel like I'm wrong.
No, I just, I feel like I'm wrong.
Obviously, because I feel like it's situational.
Because in our society where participation trophies are handed out and everybody matters and blah, blah, blah.
All this shit, right?
Everyone's equal, blah, blah, blah.
And yes, oh, compassion and empathy, blah, blah, blah.
Can I get an example of when I got icked out, of when a man cried?
Go for it.
Okay, so I was dating this guy, super loser, right?
Well, I didn't think so at the time, but whatever.
He cried hella, right?
Like, one time he found out something, we were all chilling.
One of my homeboys told him something like, hey, you know, Portia gets really bored of guys, da da da, something, something.
He left, right?
He sends me a picture of him in bed, sideways, crying.
And I was like, I know, I know damn well, bro, you ain't never gonna see me again after this, cause what the fuck is that?
Like, that's pathetic.
I think so.
What you just said, like, yeah, when you asked me, like, oh, do men cry more than women?
In my situation, I don't know if maybe I make men cry, More or what was he crying over because he thought that I was gonna get bored of him over a joke, basically.
Oh, my home, wait, you noticed how like half the women laughed?
Yeah, that's why you don't cry in situations like that.
Like, I had a picture, yeah.
Why are you?
It's like the tick tock thing.
Why are you sending me a picture of you crying, bro?
That's crazy.
You're a baby, oh, great.
If you're a princess, sure, but you agree with me, if we elevate this idea that men ought to be, I never said that, I don't agree with that.
I know you didn't say that.
But other women here are saying, Oh, you should be vulnerable in front of a woman.
It's fine to cry in front of a woman.
A woman's not going to change her perspective.
And let me tell you why.
Okay, obviously, me, her, her, we're all different, right?
I feel like she's a very soft, sensitive little girl, right?
Like, you'll never hear me say that.
Like, you know what I mean?
We're just different.
So that's our opinions.
Well, she does say that in her notes, I recall that she prefers very masculine men.
Because masculine men bring out the.
Feminine in your life.
So, I don't know if we have a different understanding of masculinity, but I think a component of masculinity is emotional stability.
Those are.
You, if you're, you know, there's.
I'm not crying.
I'm going to butcher the saying, but like this idea of stoicism, you're the.
What is it?
It's like some.
I don't even.
Rocky.
Upon the rocky promontory, and the waves are crashing, you remain still and sturdy.
That is the idea of stoicism.
That is the idea of masculinity.
Love that.
And so, a man who.
Is crying in.
Now, look, just to be clear, of course, women, like you're dating a guy for two years, his mom dies, he cries.
I don't think that the circumstance in which he cries is important.
Most women are going to be like, this completely makes sense.
His mom just died, he's crying.
Although I would say perhaps some women still feel a little something, but I think most women are like, of course, this makes sense.
A family member just died, I'm here for my boyfriend.
However, if the man cries in circumstances where you think perhaps this isn't warranted for a man to cry, why is he being a baby?
Why is he being a sissy?
Being a bitch.
Yeah, it's going to be like you women are going to have an issue with it.
But in her example earlier, if a girl were to do the same thing, like she doesn't like something one of the friends said at the table, she leaves, doesn't communicate anything, and then sends a picture of her crying, that's also weird.
I don't think so.
Like both are weird.
I think they're weird.
Men or women looking for examples are really that good.
Oh, I was just bringing up one for funny.
Yeah, it's really situational.
Really quick on the vulnerable thing.
So, like, crying would be a form of vulnerability.
Would you guys agree?
Yes.
Yeah.
And I respect.
So, I'll give you another example of being vulnerable in front of a woman, which, should you be in this position, it will be at your peril as a man.
So, if you ever are in a state of weakness as a man, and this could be.
If your girlfriend sees you get beat up, not all women, but there's a 50% chance she's lost, maybe not all, but a high portion of her attraction for you.
She's going to view you in a different way, whether consciously or subconsciously.
She might not even, she might be there.
You might take care of the guy when he's all fucked up or whatever, just got his ass whooped.
There's a part of you inside that you might not even know.
You're like, ooh.
Yeah, I'm like, ooh, to the guy who beat him up, you know?
Yikes.
Okay, right.
I mean, I'm not getting it right.
I'm not saying all women.
I'm not saying all women, but this is something that men have to be conscious of.
And I mean, you know, I'm trying to think there was a woman who went on the Joe Rogan podcast.
She was an MMA fighter herself.
So, of course, I would assume she'd be understanding because unless you're an excellent MMA fighter, you lose.
You do lose fights.
You get knocked out in fights.
She was dating another MMA fighter.
Or maybe she was a kickboxer or something.
I'm not sure.
No, I think she was an MMA fighter.
She saw her boyfriend get knocked out during a, not like a street fight, like an MMA, an official match, you know?
And she was like, ooh, when I saw him get knocked out and he got in the fencing position or whatever the fuck, she was like, I dumped him right after.
And so, and I look, I have my own anecdotal experiences I've heard from other men.
I can tell you my own experience.
I'm not going to go super fully into detail.
I got jumped by three people.
So it wasn't like a 1v1.
And, you know, so I didn't really have a fair chance.
I got jumped by three people.
This was many years ago.
And luckily it wasn't that bad, but I did get punched.
And I was like, I got, I ended up on the ground and like my fucking knee or something got fucked up.
So I was like kind of limping for a week.
And I had like massive, like road rash or whatever.
So like bruise, like skin ripped off, whatever.
And, uh, And so I was like in pain, kind of limping around.
And right after it happened, I was seeing this girl for six months.
I call her up and I'm like, hey, I just got jumped.
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Come over, babe.
She comes over to her credit, you know, helps me out, takes care of me.
But like, there was an instant like switch.
And by the way, I didn't cry.
I wasn't like, oh my God.
I was just like, I told her what happened.
I got jumped.
She saw me all weak, limping, whatever.
The whole relationship changed.
Ick.
Well, she never, she never.
She sucks.
I didn't pay the wrong person.
No, she was actually, I mean, there's nothing, I don't know.
But we never argued.
We were together for six months, never argued.
Immediately, she started fucking arguing with me.
Immediately.
Because everything bothered her after that.
Right.
And so when that shift happens in a relationship, when it was smooth sailing, and then she starts nagging and bickering and kind of testing you a little bit.
Yeah.
Well, one, it's over.
But two, she lost respect for you.
Yep.
She lost respect for me.
She lost.
And look, not all women are like that.
But you're rolling the dice with a woman because you don't really know what kind of woman she is.
Sometimes even the woman doesn't know.
She doesn't even know.
So you're rolling the dice.
And ultimately, and you might say, well, Brian, you shouldn't date a woman like that.
Well, you know, I think somewhere deep down in the lizard brain, men have a lizard brain too.
But in the lizard brain of women, You see your boyfriend get beat up, or like you see him in the week, like to, you see your boyfriend being a little bitch.
You see your boyfriend, well, how about this?
This was a couple months ago.
There was this viral video, I think it was in Colombia or Peru or something.
A guy was with a girl, and this thug on the street had like a knife, and he tries to rob, and he successfully robs the woman.
He successfully robs the woman of her purse.
And she was with a man.
Now, it's not clear if this was just a male friend.
Maybe it was a gay friend, who knows?
If it was a male friend or boyfriend or whatever, but she was with a male companion.
And he didn't do anything.
He just stood by and he kind of didn't like protect her or anything.
Everyone was on his case.
How could you not protect the woman?
And so I would say that in instances of either male vulnerability, male weakness, or male cowardice, women definitely, whether consciously or subconsciously, Judge men.
That was just the cowardice.
I mean, I saw another guy that did.
Wouldn't cowardice be vulnerability?
Yes, to be coward.
Hold on.
What could be more vulnerable than I don't know how to deal with a life or death situation?
That would be vulnerable.
That would be vulnerable.
Oh, one shade of vulnerability.
Well, yeah, but for example, if a woman sees a rat scurrying across the floor and she shrieks and jumps up on a chair in the kitchen, oh my God, can you get it?
I don't.
I'm like, perhaps.
I mean, if I was having a logical thought process of it, it seems like to some degree, logically, a bit of a disproportionate response.
However, I wouldn't lose attraction for a woman if she did that.
If a man did that, if a man, spider, oh my God, shrieks, babe, can you kill the spider?
I'm scared.
You're going to, as a woman, you're going to lose attraction for the guy.
Vulnerability, though, that would be vulnerable.
Maybe a little bit.
So, you shouldn't be vulnerable in front of women.
Oh, can I share an experience?
Yeah, a personal experience of mine.
Okay, so this was my most recent ex boyfriend.
On our first date, we went out into Boston and we were sitting in his car and he got bad news, like about his mom.
And he immediately started crying in front of me and I wiped his tears and was very comforting.
Just instinctually, I'm very caring and comforting.
And even like months later, before we broke up, he said, I just wanted to say thank you for being.
You know, so understanding that he felt comfortable enough to let loose like that in front of me.
So I definitely think it's very personable.
Like, it depends on the situation.
But so that was one of my, you said something happened to the mom?
Yes.
Like she died?
Not that day, but she did end up passing.
Yes.
Okay.
So, I mean, it was obviously something very severe.
Yeah, that's one of my, you know, grantings there.
I might have, I think perhaps I didn't include, like, okay, so not death.
But, like, they're in a fucking terrible car accident and they're in a hospital.
Yeah, that's fine.
They could die.
Yeah, that's fine if the man cries in that instance.
But I do have respect for men that feel comfortable enough in a woman's presence to let go of their emotions.
Wait, I have two really good examples, but then I want to move on to the topic.
One example this was actually another example from the show.
It happened two, three months ago.
We had a woman on who, one of the questions in the thing here is wrong for a man to reject a woman because of her weight.
Or a woman should not be rejected because of her weight.
And the woman was arguing that it is wrong.
You shouldn't judge a woman because of her weight.
And she had a height preference.
And so I was like, you know, poking at her on that.
Okay, well, hold on.
But you have a height preference.
By the way, if a woman doesn't want to date a guy because he's overweight, that's totally fine too.
So I don't have a double standard.
Women can reject men who are chubby, overweight.
Trust me, I get it all the time as a chubby man.
Happens all the time.
Totally acceptable thing for a woman to.
A female preference, but it's also okay for the male to have that preference.
And she was like, Well, I wouldn't date a guy who's under five foot ten.
And I was like, Well, oh, God.
If it's, then it, it either has to be okay then for the man to reject a woman because of her weight, because you're fine with people rejecting people based on how they look, their appearance.
But then she was like, Well, weight's different, blah, blah, blah.
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And then she just couldn't, she just couldn't, she literally started crying though.
And like, got, not just crying, got up and left.
Wait, was she fat?
No, she was.
Well, you know what?
It might have been a sensitive topic.
She's on the thinner side.
Oh, so maybe it was like a.
Like too thin.
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe she had.
Maybe it was just something she had.
She had bulimia or anorexia, perhaps.
Who knows?
So it could have been a sensitive subject.
In any case, I really don't think it's that sensitive.
I wasn't like, well, tell me about how long you've been suffering with bulimia.
No.
It was just like, she was like, she couldn't wrap her head around the idea that men.
Are allowed to not want to date a woman because of her weight.
Now, typically, this is framed from the perspective of the woman's fat.
But technically, yes, maybe the woman's too thin.
Like she's a skeleton.
Maybe she couldn't gain weight.
Maybe that was like one of her things.
You know what I mean?
But like, everyone has a right to their own preference.
She's not going to say that.
Everyone has a right to their own preference.
Yeah, but so she got upset with that conversation and she walked up, off, and left.
And then, like, I got blamed.
Everyone's like, Brian, you're kind of a dick.
No.
I was like, Anyways, whatever.
Then the other example, final thing on the crying thing World of Warcraft.
Who's familiar with the game?
Well, you just showed it, but I have no idea how to play it.
Okay, so this is crazy.
So actually, I was being a little bitch, not gonna lie, but she just didn't understand.
So, okay, this was.
Ew!
What was that?
What?
No, she didn't understand.
What was that, bro?
Look, when I talk about this, I.
Well, games can be everything.
World of Warcraft is very emotional.
You didn't see when he put it on.
I was nerding out my like 30 seconds.
He was like 10 words.
I didn't even know each other's teeth.
Let me explain it.
I'll explain it like this.
So I'll cut to the bulk of it.
So, okay.
I was in the hardcore.
You guys are not going to understand what the fuck I'm talking about.
Just go.
I was in a hardcore rating guild.
Like the number one guild on the server.
And like there's politics in the game.
Like World of Warcraft is not just Tetris, where, look, some people, I guess, can play that like 10 hours a day.
World of Warcraft can be a game where you're literally playing it.
12 hours a day, hardcore gamer type shit.
And people take that shit seriously.
And there's, you play on a server, and there's like a social component to MMO.
It's MMRRPG, massively multiplayer online role playing game.
And so, if you're on a server, maybe there's a few thousand people on the server.
Well, I guess now they merge servers, so it's like tens of thousands of people.
But you have your reputation, and there's social connections.
And, like, you can have a good reputation or a bad reputation, and there's favor and there's guilds.
Oh my god, this is so fucking cringe.
Such a nerd.
Yeah, nerding.
The point here is, I was in the top guild, and this is a game you invest hours into.
So it's not just like, you get invested, right?
And so I was in this guild, and they had loot council.
They've got no fucking idea.
I'm almost at the finish line here, though.
All right.
I was on the receiving end.
Of a really unfair loot distribution.
I should look, people are gonna be like, Brian, you're a fucking loot goblin.
By the way, I don't play video games anymore.
I haven't touched a video game since like essentially, I stopped playing video games since like 2020.
I played like one week two years ago, but that's it.
You know, had a little relapse.
Oh, he's in recovery.
I had a relapse for like a month or no, sorry, a week, but I was like, I'm too busy with the podcast.
I don't have time.
One week relapse, haven't played video games since 2020.
I was on the bad end of a bad loot deal, and my girlfriend was like kicking it in my bed while I was playing.
And I got, I was like pissed.
I was pissed.
Because look, you pour hours of work into this.
Hours of work.
Like, just, it's like hours.
You're playing fucking eight, nine, ten hours a day.
And this was a period in my life where I basically had fuck all going on.
So this was my main.
Thing right, very bad, blue thing, and it wasn't the first time I got screwed over in other situations.
So I was like, oh man, like, what's going on?
I'm getting screwed over in the guild.
And I actually, so I actually decided to quit not long after, but that's besides the point.
But my girlfriend, I was telling her, I was telling her about what happened, very vulnerable.
That relationship was over within a month.
That's right.
Yep.
Yeah.
Within a month, it was over.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a game.
Yeah.
But I get it.
She was not happy.
Yeah.
I didn't.
Oh my God, they gave, they gave, they gave you the wrong loot.
Like, no, not the wrong loot.
They didn't give you enough.
They gave Perdition's Blade.
Perdition's Blade, like the fucking best dagger from Ragnaros, Molten Core, for like multiple.
You don't replace Perdition's Blade for fucking months.
That's your best in slot.
No, like, I understand.
She knows what I'm talking about.
I understand.
I do not, but I forgot to put it in my list, but gamers, like hardcore gamers like that, huge ick.
Wait, say that again?
Huge ick.
That's a fucking Christian DKP Minus!
What the fuck was that shit?
But yeah, my ex was like in a huge gaming phase at some point.
I was so annoyed.
It's so unproductive.
You're not doing anything good for your future.
You're just in your room getting mad at a computer.
Well, if it's like to that point where it's like it takes over your entire fucking life, I understand that.
But I also, like, I've seen like some videos of girlfriends like purposely.
Shutting off like their game, like when they're so close to finishing.
I think it's fucked up.
And then they break up with them and then they're like, ah!
But I'm like, you earned that.
Like, you fucked over his entire, like, earning of that game of where he was at that point.
I do want to make, I do think that there are some pros to gaming.
There's definitely pros.
Like, I do think it actually, in some ways, like, there are certain games that you will become smarter if you play that game.
It'll help with your hand eye coordination, it'll help with organization, it'll help with, like, Doing tasks in an expedient way.
Like in World of Warcraft, oh shit, like you gotta, if you're like leveling, there's a way to maximize your leveling routes and shit.
That has, that's life skill application, right?
But in any case, overall, I think video games are a distraction.
That's why I quit.
I don't play them anymore.
But especially, it depends.
If you can do it in moderation, but for me, it wasn't.
And I've never been addicted to drugs or alcohol or smoking anything.
But video games, oh boy, I might as well be a fucking meth fiend.
That was your drug.
Because I can't be casual with it.
I can't just play two hours.
Yeah.
Right.
I need to play 10 hours.
It's your life.
I think most men are kind of like that.
Yeah.
So I'm like, look, I understand.
You have to learn.
But related to the ick, though, that's an interesting segue.
For sure.
Related to the ick, I think it's fair for women to have an apprehension to, it's a fair preference to not want to date a guy who, Yeah, close the door.
To not want to date a guy who plays video games.
I think that's fair.
Women have this preference.
It's hot.
But I think men are willing to acknowledge this to a degree.
Now, some men will go on the defensive.
But I think it's fair for men to also make criticism of women's behavior.
But when men criticize things women do, women do a lot of defensiveness and do a lot of cope.
So, for example, I would say, I don't know what the, what is the corresponding thing to video games?
Like, what's the thing women do?
Hmm.
Maybe I'll give a list.
Social media, maybe?
Like TikTok?
It could be social media usage.
It could be going out to bars and clubs and partying.
It could be dressing, revealing.
It could be sex work or OnlyFans.
And then also makeup.
Absolutely not.
I disagree.
Plastic surgery and makeup.
These are the things, so these are the behaviors that men want to stifle in women.
Oh, okay.
But you're not comparing it to gaming, right?
Because it's totally different.
Everything you just named is totally different than spending 10 hours on a game doing nothing.
You know what I mean?
Like all the things you just named.
They're different?
Yeah.
Me doing social media.
Like, let's say I want to get my boobs done or I want to get some done.
This is to make more money.
You guys are just sitting there on a fucking game doing nothing, being stinky.
Well, so I would actually.
Some of them make money.
I would disagree.
Some of them do.
Like a competition or whatever, right?
So they are different.
But I would disagree as follows.
I think different in different ways.
So, for example, if your man's playing video games, He's not fucking another bitch.
He's at home.
Being a loser.
Being a loser.
Right.
Right, but he's at home.
He's not cheating on you if he's at home playing video games.
Whereas if a woman's at the bar, a woman's at the club, a woman's doing a bachelorette.
Like, nah.
Like, y'all women going to the clubs, bars, parties, drinking, hanging out with your single friends, going fucking doing little.
Men do that too.
Girls' trips.
It's different.
It's different.
But he's not at the gym working out either.
Sure.
Yes, so I agree.
So.
Look, I think video games in moderation, women can still prefer against that, but video games in moderation, not such a big deal.
10 hours a day, I think it is going to have an impact.
But, and look, I'm fine with women having the anti video game preference, but women seem to really push back against the don't be going to the club, don't be dressing in a certain way, don't be partying, don't be drinking, don't be going on girls' trips, don't be doing XYZ.
Women do not like that conversation, yeah.
No, that's fair, that's valid.
I think it depends on what it is.
Can I give an example?
Club and everything, I understand that.
Um, and then obviously, like dressing too revealing, I can also understand that.
That this guy just said, um, only fans obviously don't worry about it.
Only fans, obviously, thank you, Pasty George.
He has a crush on Brian.
Um, he is Canadian, but hey, Pasty George, I don't know if you caught Canadian.
Well, she's got a boyfriend, but yeah, he mentioned earlier, he talked about them, he said.
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Your friend C2 is jealous of you.
Did you guys read that?
What?
Yeah, I saw that.
I saw that.
I was like, oh.
Oh, I didn't see that.
Just another example of men not knowing what the bug's going on.
Hold on, we have a chat here, real quick.
Sure.
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Okay.
So there's that.
Anyways, I don't know where I was going with that, but the video game thing.
Yeah.
How about this?
I think when a woman's in a relationship, she should not be going out to the bar or club, period.
Can a man?
With her man or without her man?
Well, so here's where it differentiates.
With.
The men should not go to bars and clubs, period.
They're retarded venues.
Like, it's actually retarded.
Oh, well.
Yeah.
So you'd never go.
I went a few times when I was younger, but no, I haven't been to a bar or club in probably over a decade.
No.
Well, you also don't drink.
Not even like a chill bar or something like that.
So when I say bar or club, I'm typically like, obviously, there's like more lounge type environments where you might meet up with a friend, and it's not a party environment.
Okay.
That's a bit different.
Like, I'm trying to think an example.
Like, when I say bars and clubs, these are, I'm talking about party.
Like, there's bars that are like party clubs.
Like, nightlife.
Nightlife.
Okay.
Like, dance floors and the whole nine yards.
So, I don't think men should go out, period.
But so I guess, yes, in the relationship also, but it's different.
What's different?
Okay.
So, for example, men and women, would you agree with me that men and women have different strategies when it comes to dating?
Yes.
So, for example, men will like.
Say before the advent of social media, it still is the case for social media and dating apps.
Before social media, men would go up to women, generally speaking.
Men would make the first move.
Agree?
They're supposed to, yeah?
Right.
And so typically, women might put themselves in a venue that gives men access to approach them.
Yeah, they're supposed to do that.
Yeah.
So women are not like, they are, I suppose, passive.
They're not active in the sense that.
You'll never see a woman who's like a pickup artist go out to a bar and like approach like 10 dudes in a row.
Me.
Okay.
I'm kidding.
I'm kidding.
So you don't really see that.
But as a guy, if you're trying to mack on girls in a bar or club, he might go up to 10 different girls in a night, right?
10, 20, 30, whatever.
He's shooting his shot.
Women don't do that.
Women will put themselves in a situation to be approached, though.
When men and women get into relationships, We say to men, and technically women too, even though women don't do it to begin with, you can't go up to new people and hit on them.
You need to stop.
Men have to stop their behavior when they're in a relationship.
We don't put, we don't stifle what women do when they're in a relationship.
And so because we have different strategies, women, you're not going to like, Go up and hit on a guy or slide in his DMs, although sometimes you do, sometimes you can, but you might post photos on Instagram.
You might thirst trap on Instagram and you wait for the men to come to you.
That's your strategy as women.
That's fair.
You might go to a bar or club.
You might not go up to a man, but you might be in the venue.
And look, I get it.
You don't just go to the bar and club just to get a dick.
I get it.
But if a really handsome, cool, attractive guy, Happens to be there and talks to you, you're not going to just instantly necessarily shut that down if you're single.
So if you're in a relationship, I believe the man should, of course, not be approaching women.
That's his strategy when he's single.
Why aren't we having a conversation about shutting down women's strategy when they're clearly in the relationship?
You got to shut down your methods of procuring men.
So the entire time women are in fucking full blown monogamous relationships and married, y'all are still advertising.
Us men, we're salesmen.
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We are salesmen.
We're going out there.
Y'all are marketers.
You guys market and you continue marketing throughout the relationship and throughout the marriage.
I don't really agree.
I think some women are very happy with their men and they're not doing all that.
Right.
Well, okay, yes, fine.
Then if they're not doing all that, perfect.
They're doing what they should do.
If you're in a relationship, you can't be posting thirst traps on Instagram.
You got to put your shit private.
Oh, I know.
I 100% disagree, bro.
You got to put your shit private and you should not be going to bars and clubs.
Period.
That is fine.
But if I'm in a relationship, I can't, like, if I'm on vacation, I can't post a picture in a bikini or something because I'm in a relationship.
I just feel like.
Why?
Because I said so.
Oh, so you make all the rules, basically?
Yes, I am the dictator.
Yeah.
Tiffany, can you get water for.
Oh, yeah, if any of you need water, maybe just hold it up and my assistant will get it for you guys.
Okay.
I personally want to be more on social media, like a content creator, influencer type situation.
That's the end goal, hopefully.
So I don't know if I'd.
I'd get rid of like certain things, but I wouldn't.
I don't know about maybe deleting my whole Instagram.
I might go private, but like that kind of defeats the whole purpose of trying to be an influencer, especially like on TikTok and stuff.
Like, yeah, well, the other reason you shouldn't date influencers is because they'll literally use your relationship as content.
And like, so I don't know.
That's another issue.
That's why I'm like highly averse to dating any women who are involved in social media.
Because they'll just use the breakup for content.
Then again, well.
Of course, it depends on the creator.
Yeah.
Like, not everyone.
I suppose, but like.
Like, some are solely just so.
I'm a private individual when it comes to my relationships, and relationships should not.
Relationship issues should never be litigated in the public sphere, ever.
No, exactly.
But literally, like, look, I guess men can do this too, but.
Women will literally be making TikToks about guys they're actively dating.
And I'm like, bro, how can you date a woman who's literally airing out everything?
Like, no.
No, that is not it.
Yeah, I agree.
That is not it.
It definitely depends on the person, obviously.
I personally am not one to go do that, but I have seen that, so I know exactly what you mean.
But beyond that, like, I don't even, I mean, putting social media aside, if you're in a relationship with somebody, I don't even think, unless it's like really something insane, I think it's really toxic when, and men can do this too, but girls, y'all talk with each other.
And I think it's toxic when, in a relationship, now look, there's, on one hand, I think it's fair to attempt to get advice from your girlfriends.
You will, a woman will poison the well with her entire friend group because she's constantly complaining about her boyfriend.
My perspective, I don't know if I'm old school, this can be family too.
You do not talk shit or just like dump about potential conflict to your family or friends.
About your partner.
Because are you going to dump him?
Right.
Okay, fucking dump him and then fine.
But if you're going to keep dating the guy and you're just, oh my God, my boyfriend's fucking blah, Yep.
Yeah.
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I agree.
And then it's just poisoning the well.
And then you're going to stay with them and then I'm going to be meeting your friends and your friends fucking hate me.
Yeah.
Now, of course, I'm a perfect gentleman and my girlfriend would never think to say anything.
Hypothetical.
Yeah, no, I totally would never think to ever say anything negative.
But guys do that too.
Ever.
It goes both ways.
Men shouldn't be talking shit about their girlfriends to their guys.
Men suffer inside.
Men suffer in silence.
We don't really laugh.
That's not true.
Well, I'd say, like, for example, y'all women.
A lot of guys.
Hold on.
Y'all friends, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
C'est bien ça.
Eh bien donc.
She's had some new experiences, right?
Has she told you about the experiences as her friend?
I witnessed them.
You were in the bedroom seeing it.
Wait.
Hold on.
That was just before.
But she might have.
Was this a threesome?
Threesome?
Next question.
Whoa, what?
You lost your virginity in the threesome?
No, Have you had a threesome?
I won't rip on.
You want what?
Wait, what?
I won't answer.
Wait, have you had a threesome, though?
I won't answer.
I think that's a yes.
I guess we'll never know.
I guess, yeah, I guess we'll never know.
Damn, bro.
Losing virginities and threesomes and all this shit.
No, no, no.
That's a no.
Okay, all right.
More than the threesome?
No.
Who here is a show of hands?
Who's had a threesome?
Foursome?
Gang bang?
Bukaki?
No, no.
Okay.
No, I don't do porn.
No, you could have a non porn.
Okay, a non porn, okay.
Nobody else?
Threesome?
Threesome?
When I was real young.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Look, I have not had a threesome.
No.
You know, the thing is, I would, but I'm not going to go out of my way.
Okay.
Like, it has to fall into my lap.
Like, my girlfriend has to be like.
Do all the lifting.
She has to.
Here's a threesome, silver platter.
Otherwise, I ain't doing that shit.
So, you're saying it has to be her idea?
Pretty much.
It would have to be her idea.
She would have to do the legwork.
Or it could just like spontaneously fall into my lap.
But I'm not going to be like, hey, babe, let's organize a three.
No.
She, I mean, she can come to me with it.
But I, okay.
Generally speaking, though, look, I don't know.
I'm happy with one girl.
It's like, I don't want to disappoint two women at the same time.
I'd rather just disappoint one woman at a time.
You know, so it's like, you know.
What?
What if she wants a dude in there?
Not a chick.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, hold on.
Double dick.
Fuck.
No.
Absolute.
No, when I. Hold on.
First off, blasphemy.
Oh, God.
You call me that guy.
That's fucking haram.
Two dudes.
Haram.
Two dudes and a woman.
Fucking haram.
No.
The only acceptable threesome.
Muslim?
No.
Group Dynamics in Intimacy00:04:45
Oh.
Then why would you say.
Right.
I mean, it's Arabic, right?
Or whatever.
I don't know.
Haram.
The only acceptable threesome is two women and one man.
It's not that fun, though.
I don't know.
I'd be pissed if I were you, I guess.
Yeah.
Brought another girl.
Oh, no.
Have you been Eiffel Tower?
Yeah, I agree.
What's Eiffel Tower?
Two dudes.
Oh, no.
I wish, though.
That'd be so fun.
Can I pick?
I don't know.
No, honestly, I might start laughing.
Those type of situations, if I see their dick touch you or something, or one guy's thigh touch another guy's thigh, bro, I'm laughing.
I'll be like, did you like that?
That was weird, huh?
So, anyways, when I'm with someone, I love them too much.
And I'll get pissed if he wants to bring in another girl.
Yeah, that's my territory.
I'm not, you didn't want to be with another girl.
Are you wearing a cross?
Is that a cross?
No, it's a star.
Oh, okay.
It looked like a cross.
He was about to go in.
That was ammo right there.
Yeah, he was about to go in.
Wait, what were we talking about?
We were talking about three something.
No, but before that, before the three something.
What were we talking about?
I think you guys were talking about telling your friends and then if you see.
Thank you.
Okay.
So, have you shared intimate details about your intimate experiences with your friend, China?
No.
China.
China.
Like the country.
No.
Where'd you get that?
That was also my name.
Oh, do you guys want to know why my parents called me China?
Because of the wrestler?
No.
Because they made me in China.
Oh.
Made in China.
All right.
Made in China.
Literally made in China.
Do you have a tattoo?
Oh, she has a tattoo.
Oh my God, I have made in Japan.
Oh my God.
Wait, you have a bit of a hair strand?
Pull it back.
Like there's a hair covering it?
Oh, yeah.
It's okay.
Yeah.
Right?
Wow.
Made in China.
Wow.
That is.
That's actually cool stuff.
I love that.
China.
Damn.
Now I wish my name was China.
Well, it was almost China.
Ah, made in China.
You know, they say, though, the things that are made in China are typically low quality.
Oh, that was a nice Brian.
No, it's true.
Not that you made it.
No, I'm just saying.
Maybe the products.
Yeah, the product quality.
Like, for example, certain plastics or metal that's produced in China, typically not the highest quality.
My mom is also half Chinese, so she was just randomly on that trip.
Wait, your mom's half Chinese?
Yeah, I'm a quarter Chinese.
Wait, so what's your breakdown?
I'm mostly indigenous, but I'm a quarter Chinese.
Wait, so you're 75% indigenous and 25% Chinese?
Yeah, I'm a quarter Indian.
Your dad's white as fuck.
What are you talking about?
He looks white.
His dad was 100% indigenous and his mother was half.
Are you part of a tribe?
Where I'm Algonquin.
Fire.
Sweet.
I love that for you.
Thank you.
That's dope.
I just figured out who you look like.
I was trying to figure it out this whole time.
Have you guys seen Bring It On?
Yeah.
Yeah, you know the coach, the girl before they brought in Torrance?
Oh, Big Red.
Big Red.
Does this look like Big Red?
Big Red?
Oh, Big Red.
She's wearing a very brown the whole time.
Yes.
I was looking at that thing and I was like, yeah, she looks like a very brown.
You would be Big Red if her hair was brown, you would be Big Red.
Bring it on?
Yeah.
No, she's great.
I get Georgina Rodriguez, the soccer player's wife, and Dua Lipa.
That's the one I use.
Why is she Dua?
What the fuck were your parents doing in China?
My dad was coaching the Chinese hockey league.
No, it was like a training camp.
Oh.
And my mom came with it.
Okay.
Things happened.
Okay.
I want my children made in the United States.
I was waiting for some shit like that, bro.
Made in the USA.
Made in the USA.
Very patriotic of you.
That's cool.
China's fire.
Were you born in China?
No.
I was born in Vancouver.
Vancouver?
My dad was playing for the Canucks.
The Canucks, eh?
Why have I heard of that?
How I met your mother.
Yeah.
What are some Canadian things I could say?
Poutine.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
A boot.
A boot?
A. What's that?
About.
Oh.
A boot.
All right.
Canadian Heritage and Poutine00:15:15
I get it.
South Park does count it up.
Apparently, we say a lot of A's.
And you guys are like, eat donuts and like are happy all the time, right?
Oh, the talking.
The talking.
Yeah, I think that, I don't know, y'all women, y'all share more with each other.
Yeah.
When it comes to intimate detail.
No, not all women.
Maybe not all groups of friends or whatever.
But like, I do think there is this idea, like, I don't know, some.
I've.
Overheard some of y'all conversations.
I've done research.
I undercover, like, you know, I'm just in the bushes and I've heard y'all's private conversations.
Like, I'm an anthropologist, sociologist in the field.
I got khakis on and all that shit.
And I overhear y'all talk, and man, you guys share some details, like sex details.
Y'all talk about sex like crazy.
Like, y'all be talking about dick sizes and where he nut and what it tastes like.
What you did.
And it was like the viscosity and like the fucking.
No, not viscosity.
What's the word?
Girth.
What, bro?
The.
I forgot the fucking word for it, but y'all be talking about crazy shit.
If I sleep with a woman and my buddy asks me, oh man, how'd it go last night?
You were hanging out with Becky, I'll be like, it was good.
Bullshit.
That's boring.
What if it wasn't?
That's bullshit.
No, it's okay, fine.
It's boring, but it's showing respect for Becky because I'm not just airing out, oh yeah, her pussy lips were perfect.
They were so fucking big.
Pussy lips, huge.
Big labia matter.
Giant pussy lips, the biggest pussy lips ever.
No, I keep that shit a secret because you never know.
Look, I got good friends, right?
But maybe, who knows?
Maybe they got a thing too and they're trying to roll up and snatch.
Big Labia Matter, pull that shit up.
Big Labia Matter, son.
I'm just saying, I got to keep that shit under wraps.
I can't be telling my male friends.
She's got a giant, like a giant pussy lip.
So, you know, I can't be saying that.
I got to keep that shit under wraps for me.
Okay, good talk.
Personally, I feel like I've never, like, said, oh, this guy, like, I fucked this guy.
He has a really big dick.
And my friend was like, you know what?
Let me, like, try to.
Slide in there.
That's a shitty prank.
Yeah, like I don't think I've ever had to do it.
I know it happens, but I don't think I've ever had to deal with that.
I think like my friends are just like, ooh, what happened?
Like, was it good?
We're just curious.
Yeah, we're just talking about it.
Wait, hold on.
I'm sure in the history of women sharing details about men, a woman has been like, holy shit, he was the most amazing sex ever, blah, blah, blah.
Somewhere in the female brain, I feel like that triggers a curiosity.
Not so.
If you have like a best friend, you're sharing all the details.
Best friends do each other dirty sometimes.
I'm just saying.
Oh, facts.
Yeah, then they're not your friend.
Right.
Best friends.
Hey, males will do it too.
Sometimes the men.
Men pillow talk more than bitches.
No, no.
I used to have a lot of male friends and they talked very dirty all the time.
Well, this is perhaps a class thing as a sophisticated.
Oh, right.
Oh, yeah.
This is sophisticated.
As a sophisticated ex gamer.
Yeah, I would say.
The loot.
As a sophisticated.
Sophisticated.
The sophisticated.
Sophisticated man, I never talk about my sexual conquests ever.
No, seriously, jokes aside, I actually don't.
Like, I would never, they don't even know if we hooked up.
They don't know if we've had sex.
I'd literally, literally, hey, Brian, how'd it go?
It was good.
We had a good time.
That's it.
You don't be like, I smashed?
No.
No.
So if you have the best sex of your life, you wouldn't want to tell the girl.
You're not going to tell your homie?
Like if that was the best performance you've ever had, you wouldn't want to be like, tell me.
You could tell my girl.
You could tell your girl.
That was the best.
No, well, here's the thing with that.
Even if it is the best sex, you should not tell the girl the sex was really good.
Now, here's why.
This is going to be toxic.
I'm going to put you on some game, though.
I don't get it.
No.
If the girl is really fucking good in bed, you can't boost her ego like that.
Stop.
Now, look, look, two years down when she's locked in, then you can boost her ego, then you can tell her.
But right away, you got to pump the brakes a little bit.
You got to make her keep her on edge a little bit, make her think the oral sex game ain't, you know, you can't be letting on too soon that the sex is too bomb because then she thinks there's this old Eddie Murphy joke.
Very old.
This is some boomer shit.
He had this comedy special called, I think it was Raw.
I think it was from Raw.
Yes, it was.
No, what's his other one?
There's Raw and then there's.
Wait, chat.
His specials from the 80s.
There's Raw and then there's like.
It starts with an I. Infamous.
Or wait.
Fuck.
Delirious.
Wait.
Is it Delirious?
Delirious.
It was from Raw.
So.
Once a man makes a.
Hold on.
Let me start over.
Okay.
I'm not going to do the bit.
No, but so.
Once, and I'm gonna butcher his joke, and we can't play it because copyright.
He says, We know we've got the woman once we've made her come real good.
Like when she, I don't even want to do it because it's cringe as fuck.
It's like, if you make a woman go, If you make a woman go like that, you're in the pillow like, I got this motherfucker now.
Like that's, you got that girl.
But so as a man, you can't let a girl know too soon.
That the otherwise, then you know that the pussy is bomb.
You can't not too soon, you can't let it on too soon.
You can't let on that the sex is too good.
She's gonna get too confident, you know, yeah, because you can't fake like, like I don't fake an orgasm.
I'm just saying, you can't let if he's not doing it for me, I'm not gonna let him know.
Because then she's like, she's gonna start slacking.
No, she's gonna start slacking if she's like, I got this, if you're too if you're pussy whipped, if you're put if she thinks you're pussy whipped.
You can't let it on too soon.
I so disagree with that.
Just saying.
You gotta have like a building.
You gotta get better.
Yeah.
No, because look, you don't also, like, let's say she gives good head.
Let's say she gives you A head first time.
Yeah.
You gotta tell her B minus.
What?
Now, here's why.
Here's why.
Always room for improvement.
If you just tell her out the gate, maybe she was holding back too.
Maybe she's on some Super Saiyan shit where the head, it's like.
But she's gonna stop there.
You gotta get to B minus, and then she'll try harder next time.
Interesting.
So my grand plie was an A. What's that?
My grand plie was an A. Her plie.
No, I was being honest.
That shit was a B minus.
That shit was still a B minus.
Still a B minus.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
You know, look, you can't let.
Now, I think the woman should simp, though, right away.
Oh, God.
The woman needs to be.
The woman needs.
To be confessing her love to you within two weeks.
That's what the woman should be doing.
Men run away like that.
The woman needs to be.
Well, not in.
No, look, I think there's a right.
Well, if the man runs away, he wasn't that into you.
But not in like a stalker, I'm going to murder you sort of way.
Like, not in that way.
You shouldn't be like.
Not wide eyed or shit.
But you got to tell the guy, like.
But I mean, look, obviously it's better.
It should be true.
Okay.
Right.
It's got to be true.
Don't fake the shit.
Yeah.
But don't hold back.
What I'm saying is, if you do really feel that strongly about a guy, don't hold back.
If you really feel strongly about the guy, even early on, you got to say that shit right away.
No, she's not.
Men need a woman to obsess.
But should men?
Should men if they feel it?
Nope.
Why that?
No, that is the recipe to.
Nope.
You cannot let a girl too early know how much.
If you're too into a girl, you got to basically.
No.
Why that?
Just now.
Can you explain to me why, though?
Because.
Women do not.
Okay, hold on.
How do I want to frame this?
Women are inundated with sims.
Women are inundated with male validation, male attention.
Inundated.
And so I don't think women will respect that.
I agree, actually.
If the guy.
You do.
Because I think the best relationship dynamic.
The girl has to be more into you than you're into the girl.
Oh my God.
No, I agree with what you first said, but the second part, no.
Like in love and, you know.
Okay, sure.
I'm willing to grant that.
However, I think oftentimes there's an unequal interest level, usually.
Most of the time, there's one person who's more into the other.
Now, I'm not saying you can still really be into the person.
Or be into the person, maybe not really.
But the other person is more into you than the reverse.
And it needs to be the woman.
It needs to be the woman.
Because it's a bad recipe.
I think our mothers teach us the opposite.
Yeah.
It's a bad recipe.
I think it's a bad recipe for men to be too much onto the girl, I think.
I don't know.
Well, then it's like validating to us.
We express it.
Yeah, but you guys already get validation.
We don't want it from other mothers.
We don't want it from other men.
Come on, Brian.
Or most girls who want to be in an actual, like, legit relationship and not just, like, fucking attention seeking, you know what I mean?
Right.
Like, yeah.
If I'm going to be with a man, like, it's going to be reciprocated.
Look, sometimes there can be a genuine, like, equal level of interest, but I don't know.
I don't think it works out that well if the man is too into the girl.
Like, it's just.
Okay, when you said that, I agree a little bit because, like, look, if a man comes off, Hella strong on me, like, oh my god, I'm in love with you.
I'm like, ew, right?
So, I do value like the chase a little bit, you know what I mean?
Like, oh, okay, like he's not super into me because you are right.
Like, men do that all day, right?
To me, so I guess it is a little bit different when the guy is like, yeah, like, you know, less that way.
Then I'm like, okay, cool, you know what I mean?
But yeah, I agree with that.
But the other part you said, no, not really.
I thought it's considered thirsty if a girl is like, shows she's too into a guy.
And then, so that's my approach in dating.
I just don't show anything.
Look, there's obviously different men out there.
My personal perspective is I like a woman who's upfront.
It doesn't mean she needs to be.
I still want to be in the lead, but there's ways in a feminine way for a woman to demonstrate her interest in you.
And frankly, I do think it's feminine if a woman's just fucking simping all over you.
Like, that's not masculine for a woman to be like.
Ooing and ahing and gushing all over you.
You see that dynamic though.
Like, if a woman's dealing with a guy who's just like, frankly, way above her league, like, you might see that with a celebrity, basically.
Like, these women are fucking gushing over fucking, who knows, Justin Bieber or whatever.
Like, are they lacking in femininity and they're like fucking gushing over him?
I don't think so.
I don't think that that's like somehow masculine.
But there's something like if, fuck, what's.
Oh man, there's this great saying.
Maybe somebody in the chat, it's not coming to me.
Somebody in the chat, help me.
If you, it's something along the lines like this.
Somebody can correct me.
If you put her on a pedestal, she'll treat you like a fan.
Wait, what?
What?
If you treat her like a, what is that saying?
Somebody in chat knows what I'm talking about.
Like, she'll treat, blank, blank, blank, she'll treat you like a fan.
Chat, hello.
Help me out, chat.
Help a brother out.
I think that was the pussy on a pedestal.
I think that, wasn't that a song?
That's Kendrick Lamarbeck.
She will be a fan.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
I can't even think.
I'm like hot.
If you treat her like a star, she'll treat you like a fan.
Well, you can have one.
Am I wrong to say, like, when a woman is single and men are, you know, actively swiping up or giving us compliments, it's like good to feel validated.
But when there's that one guy that you're really trying to take interest in, if he's not taking similar interest, you are like, okay, well, I have all these other options.
Why am I going to chase after this one person that's not giving me the same amount of attention that I'm giving him?
Like, am I wrong to say that as to why I feel like the woman shouldn't be simping more than the man?
Like, it should just be equal?
I think, on the other way around, if a guy had like interest in five different girls, four are like on their knees, like, oh my God, like obsessed with him.
And there's one that's like, Yeah, you're cool, but like, that's usually the one they want.
I think he's going to be drawn to that, like, fifth girl.
That's usually what they want, but what I'm saying is, like, if I know that, like, open the door, please.
Go ahead, continue.
Oh, if I know that someone out there is going to give me the attention that I'm looking for, but this one guy that is claiming they're interested in me and that wants to pursue me is not giving me the attention or the interest that I feel like I deserve, why would I keep.
Letting him, you know what I mean?
Like, keep me dangling, you know?
Because to me, if you're not giving me that interest, you're just keeping me dangling, and that's not fair.
No, you shouldn't be, you should, as the guy, if she's interested in you, that should be reciprocated.
You shouldn't be playing some hot or cold game.
You shouldn't be playing around with her emotions.
You can still demonstrate that you're interested in the woman without it devolving to you being a sucker simp.
I guess that's what I'm trying to get at.
Okay.
Like, I think women can do a thing where they're gushing over a man, but if a man is like gushing over you and he's like, oh my God, I really like you.
Oh my God.
Like, that's, ugh.
Love Bombing Critique00:03:17
That's, no.
Like, the man has to be like, yeah, you're hot.
But it can't be this, like, the man can't have, like, this sort of not obsessive, but he can't, like, yearn.
I don't think the man needs to be, shouldn't yearn for you.
Like, he should find you attractive.
He can even tell you that.
But it needs to be from this place where it's not like if he loses you, it shouldn't matter.
Okay.
But why do so many women fall for the love bombing then?
Because it feels good.
Well, so the love bombing thing, I think, is women want, not all the time, but women want relationships.
So if a woman, and by the way, this is a criticism I have of men.
If the woman wants a relationship, The love bombing is essentially this guy is sort of misrepresenting his long term intentions for the woman.
And it might be like, oh my God, I'm so into you.
I love you.
I mean, love bombing.
And so I would say that that's wrong.
Is it though?
To love bomb?
No, I mean, it's wrong.
I agree that it's wrong, but women fall for it, so I think.
I don't think there's as many women, well, guys that fall for it.
Huh?
She wants to try to go grab something from my car.
Can I just, what is it?
Well, it's like girl stuff, right?
Do you need like a change?
Change?
Change?
Like, are you cold?
No, I'm hot.
You're.
You ain't wearing nothing.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Well, yeah, we're going to crack open the doors a bit more.
Crack open the doors a bit more.
What's that?
I think 10 minutes.
Whoa, you said 10.
What are you talking about?
Oh, I thought you said you're leaving in.
No, I just want to go to my car real quick.
We'll be right back.
I mean, we really can't.
Is it.
What are you getting?
Clothes?
But it's.
What?
Girl stuff.
Yeah, like relax, bro.
We're online.
No, but you said you need to get clothes.
Yeah, I'm going to change.
Change?
Because it's too.
Did she.
cold?
That's what I was thinking.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh.
Here you go, Brian.
Come on, Brian.
We talked about this earlier.
Her brown turned a different color.
What?
Why else would.
What does that even mean?
Aunt Rose is visiting.
Yeah.
Motherfucker.
Aunt Rose.
She's visiting.
Oh, I like Rose.
You need.
Why would you need 10.
Okay, wait, wait.
Oh, my God, bro.
So you're leaving then?
No, no.
She's coming with me.
Okay, go ahead.
Lock behind you.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I'm trying to remember where we were at.
I forgot.
I just said that I think girls fall for.
Casual Sexual Preferences00:15:35
Love bombing more than guys do.
I think.
Is.
Women's fault.
Well, yeah, okay.
So, wait, your question was why.
Like, if a girl love bombs a guy, I think guys are a little bit more avoidant, so they'll be like, well, yeah.
Whereas a guy that love bombs a girl, they'll be more into it.
Well, I think here's my idea here.
So, if the guy really likes the girl, it can go one of both ways.
Either, yes, it can work for him because he really likes her, he's already, like, determined that he'd.
She's attractive and he'd want a relationship with her.
Sometimes it can be like too intense, where it's like, whoa, stalker vibes.
But if he otherwise, it depends on the degree of the love bombing.
Right.
But like, you got to understand a lot of guys deal with you for pussy, and that's all they want.
So when you're love bombing, they don't want a relationship with you, they just want pussy.
So that's why love bombing is going to be off putting to certain men you're dealing with.
Because they don't want anything else besides sex.
They just want a casual sexual relationship.
Hey, sometimes women want casual sexual relationships.
But I would say there's a difference here.
So for a guy to fuck y'all, for a guy to have sex with you guys, you could.
Okay.
Here's my perspective.
In order for a man to have sex with a woman, well, hold on, let me flip that.
In order for a woman to have sex with a man, his baseline.
In terms of looks, he's at least attractive enough to be in a relationship with.
Like, if you're going to fuck a guy, baseline, he's at least good looking enough, you would, like, boyfriend, you would be in a relationship with him.
Oftentimes, it's like, for example, let's say a girl only wants a relationship, but she's like, either meets a guy who's really attractive, or, I don't know, she's just looking for a hookup.
She's not just going to, a girl who's just trying to get some dick, like a girl who's just trying to get laid, she's not going to go to, Because dick is easy.
Dick is abundant.
She's not just going to go to the easiest option, which would technically, I suppose, be a less attractive guy or the first guy.
When a girl's just trying to get some dick, she goes in the opposite direction.
She's like, well, if I'm just going to fuck, I'm going to make sure the guy's really attractive, physically, generally speaking.
So women work in this sort of opposite way that men work.
So if, say, you're a woman who primarily wants a relationship, Ooh, but it's a celebrity and he's really good looking.
I'll fuck him.
I'll fuck him.
And maybe that's all you get, right?
You'll break your rule if the guy's hot enough.
Men, if we're just trying to get some pussy, but we don't want the relationship, we'll fuck a girl that just on her looks alone, we would never be in a relationship with her.
Like, we will have sex with women that she could be fucking amazing.
Personality, the other things we care about.
But we would never date her because she's fat or because her face is not attractive.
But we'll fuck her.
Women don't do that.
Women typically don't do that.
So, in other words, we will fuck women we're not even all that attracted to physically.
Like, just to get some pussy.
And so, but for y'all women, just to repeat the point, for you to have sex with a guy across the line, whether it's relationship or.
Just a casual thing.
He has to be at least, well, I guess it's just for casual.
To have sex with a guy as a woman, he has to be at least attractive enough you would date the guy, be in a relationship with him.
Personally, not me.
So, just to be clear, for you, when it comes to casual sex, you fuck ugly dudes.
But then for.
Not necessarily ugly, but it's just, like, it can work for that, but, like, I would probably be a little ashamed to be like, hey, this is my man.
You know, like it could be attractive for whatever's going on, but like sometimes it might be a little bit of a height thing or just uh personality.
So you're like fucking dwarves or no, no, but it's I don't know, it's just like they're fine, but I if he's my man, I'm like, nah, I wouldn't see that.
See, I feel like I'm the opposite.
Like, if I'm gonna have sex with you, this is someone that I would see myself being with at least to some extent.
Like, I'm not going to just have sex with someone to just have sex with someone because at that.
Point, what's the point?
I can just wait for the person that I'm attracted to, whether you think he's ugly.
Like, I don't.
I've dated plenty of guys, and my friends are like, Bro, this guy is hideous.
I'm like, Okay, to you, you know, right?
So, but I just feel like I'm not gonna get into bed with someone that, like, I'm not remotely at least attracted to in terms of bringing them around other people because then it's like, Yeah, I think maybe like right in the beginning, I'm like, Sure, and then I get to know them.
Like, yeah, well, that's different.
That's different.
Like, people's personalities are ugly, but like.
I mean, I just feel like if you're going to lay in bed with someone that you're not, you know, like confident enough to even show someone a picture, it's like, are you really doing it?
Extent, but it's just like sometimes you get to know them and you're like, Yeah, no, right?
Yeah, personal people's personality sucks all the time, but like looks wise, yeah, that's like now.
Look, sometimes women do charity, you know, work every once in a while, but as a general principle, as a general principle, like, again, men they'll have sex with women that like they've already, I don't care, like, what else there is about you.
They've art, men will put you in a category.
There's, and it can be just off the basis of looks.
There's like, I'll have sex with her, but I would never long term date her because of her looks.
Okay.
But pussy is a bit like pizza.
It's hard to fuck up pizza, you know?
Like, most pizza is good pizza.
Like, there's better pizza, there's worse pizza, but it's still fucking, I mean, It's really hard to fuck pizza up.
So, most pussy is good pussy.
Not all dick is good dick.
Let me tell you that much.
Not all dick is good dick.
Have you tried?
Have I tried dick?
No.
How do you know this?
But he knows.
I mean, I, bro, well, I mean, for example, women, a frequent complaint from women is that they don't orgasm during sex.
And so, when I say dick, when I say dick, I'm not necessarily, like, it's not necessarily literally the dick.
It's like, His skills in the bedroom, his ability, like his abilities in the bedroom.
So you just have to work it then if he doesn't know how.
But it's like, y'all, women, for women to be bad in bed, you have to go out of your way to be bad in bed.
You have to try to be bad in bed.
Like, sex is a, and this is a physiological thing, like, to be good in bed as a man, that takes a bit more skill, that takes a bit more work, that's a bit more rare.
But, like, for example, I could take, I could meet a virgin, and I, at least from my perspective, I mean, I like to think I'm just to be humble.
I'm not bad, you know, I'm not bad, I'm not bad.
And I like to think I could have great sex with a virgin.
Like, at least I would enjoy it.
Again, who knows?
Hey, look, you know, sometimes it's like a puzzle piece, sometimes you don't always fit together.
You know what I'm saying?
You know?
Like, I don't know, these chicks that want to be choked and shit.
Like, too much rough sex, I don't know.
Can we just take it slow a little bit?
They're like, deeper.
I'm like, there's no more dick.
Sorry, honey.
I'm at the end of, I've given all the dick.
Deeper, Brian, I'm sorry, there's no more dick.
I don't have any more dick.
What do you want me to do?
I can't go.
There's no more dick to give.
I wonder if they're just saying that, like, because they hear it, like, on pornography or, like.
I don't like harder either.
If they tell me to go harder.
I'm like, are you shaming women that don't have sex?
I got a bad back.
Am I shaming?
No, well, sort of, yes.
I am.
I don't know.
Some of y'all women, like, for example, violent porn.
That's actually women who be, it's women who are consuming the violent porn and shit.
So I do think there's an aspect of female sexuality that, I don't know, 20 years, I don't know when it changed.
Like, something happened 20 years ago.
All the women got together and were like, Want to be choked.
Oh, like Steve.
What the fuck happened?
Something 20 years ago, they just all of a sudden wanted to be choked or something.
What the fuck?
I don't want to choke a bitch.
I don't want to.
If she asks nicely, I might, you know, I'll do a limp wristed.
Like gently.
Might do a little hand on the neck for novelty.
But I don't know.
What happened?
What happened 20 years ago?
They just all want to be choked all of a sudden.
Choke me, daddy.
Shut the fuck up.
I am not catching a case.
I am not killing a woman.
I ain't trying to kill a woman for her sexual gratification.
Okay, here, how about this?
I'll spill some tea.
One thing.
I'll spill some fucking tea.
Maybe you guys are going to laugh at me.
I actually, I can't believe I'm fucking saying this, but why not?
I actually don't like rough sex all that much.
Now, look, I can fucking, you can pull her hair, spank her a little bit, talk in her ear, whatever.
But when I say rough sex, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like that shit.
Like, the jackhammer, get the fuck, get out of here with that.
How about like gentle, A little more gentle, you know.
Sensual.
So cute.
Sensual.
A little more gentle sex.
I don't know.
I'm not trying.
Like, it doesn't even feel good.
Like, the jackhammer.
Like, I want.
Actually, I'm not going to get too detailed, but like, slow and steady wins the race, I feel like.
Also, I have a bad back.
Sometimes it is the case.
I will say it.
It doesn't feel.
Like, it dulls the sensation if she just be throwing it back all fucking crazy.
Or, like, you're just jackhammer.
It doesn't.
Let me feel every fucking centimeter.
Okay, anyways.
That's so wrong.
Brian, how old are you?
She's fucking gooting over you.
She's going to hire me as a prostitute.
She's going to be like, this is a new experience.
Do you have any cash on you, by the way?
Wow.
Do you carry cash?
No, I don't.
I'm not soliciting you for sex.
I'm not soliciting.
I am saying, though, if you do have any cash and if you just want to give it to me, just because, I'll take it.
I'm so confused right now.
Do you have cash on you?
I'm above my head.
No, do you?
Okay, here.
I'll make it super.
$20?
Can you go get it and give it to me?
Well, here's why.
I'm so confused.
Because I feel like women, not even just sex workers, women have the experience of men just give you guys shit, kind of.
Yep.
Men will just like.
And it might not even be a guy who you're dating.
Like, I've heard.
Look, I'm sure it maybe doesn't happen all the time.
Maybe if you're really hot, it happens more often.
But, like, women will be like, oh, I was at the gas station the other day and this guy just filled up my tank for me.
Aw.
It's an art, Brian.
Motherfucker.
Right, but he just doesn't get it.
And like, I want to do a role reversal.
So you're a sex worker.
You kind of do OnlyFans.
Maybe y'all women have had sugar daddies.
Sugar daddies?
No.
Sugar daddy?
Come on.
Maybe went on a date or two.
Sugar daddy.
And it's like, men just, even guys you're dating and shit, men will just give you stuff.
Yep.
Yeah.
So I want, as a novelty thing, as a novelty thing, like just one time to give you guys an opportunity because I'm a nice guy.
Oh, I did this.
If you guys want to do a reverse simp, so if you have any cash on you, I'll take Canadian dollars.
Well, yeah.
If you guys have any cash, maybe just give it to me.
But we're not simping over you at all.
No, but not.
I know you guys aren't.
I know you guys don't want to have sex with me after the show.
I know the money here was too expensive.
But I'm saying, if you guys just as a novelty, like tea, tea, tea.
I gave Brian some bucks on the podcast.
You know, if, like a, oh, that was funny.
Like, I gave him money on the show.
Like, I'm assuming you do that to men in real life.
Women are not simping to the same degree that men are simping.
Okay, yes.
I flew out here for the show, so.
Right, but.
Why are you trying to flog?
No.
See, she's not.
You're not trying to flog?
No.
Right, yeah, you came to be on the show.
No, I don't put out either.
Would you say yes if she was?
I don't know.
Do you have a big labia?
I only date women with large labials.
Is that a real thing, Libya?
Is that just like a big labia?
It's 100% serious.
Now, look.
Look, look, look.
Right, I've never measured.
So, I say it in a humorous way.
Oh, no.
Is it a legitimate preference?
100%.
Oh, okay.
100%.
Now, look, it's not a deal breaker if she's got an any, but she's got, you know, like for example, a short guy.
Like women will, like if he's rich, you know, he's short, but he's rich and he's got a lethal face card, like she'll date a short guy.
Oh, but for me, if she's got an any labia, like she's got to make up for it.
I get it.
And the bigger the labia, she gets past.
Wow.
If she's got a giant labia, like I'll let something slide.
Oh, damn.
Oh, like sexually or like relationshipally?
Tiffany?
Did you get contact info or no?
Yeah.
Okay, so I have to be looking at the fucking Instagram for.
I mean, maybe you can pull up the messages.
Do you know?
Okay, that's fine.
Do you know how to pull up the messages, Nathan?
So it's just like the Instagram, it's the fucking messages tab.
It's in the general tab.
Her name's Elisa.
You're just, I mean, just keep an eye on it.
Keep it the.
Hold on.
Keep it the.
Oh, I could have scooted over.
I didn't know you were trying to get out.
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Do I like move the chair?
I guess I'll leave it for a bit, but if she's not.
Wait, wait, should we do a poll in chat?
A what?
I want to say it's a chat, so I think it's a 50 50 chance she comes back.
I give it a 50 50 chance.
Maybe a mod on Twitch can do a prediction thing or whatever.
I give it 50 50.
Was it close to 10?
Like what time is it?
8 45 or something.
Oh, okay.
So.
Yeah.
I know she said she wanted to leave like 10 or whatever.
Wait, was she bullshitting though, Tiffany?
No, no.
What is she?
Sorry, what does she need?
I don't think she wants that on the podcast.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I heard it.
Okay, that's fine.
Disregard.
What were we talking about?
Is it locked?
Labia size.
Yeah, we were measuring.
Tiffany, is it locked?
Yeah.
Okay.
You said like big labia.
Oh, right.
One in big labia.
And, like, you had to make up for it if you didn't have a big boy.
Oh, you were letting stuff go.
Like, for example, right?
Like, a guy, let's say his dick is either small or he's not good with, like, intercourse sex.
You might say, oh, he's got to make up for it with, like, oral sex or some shit.
Or he's got to be rich.
Or he's got to be really funny or have a really good personality.
So, yeah, woman who, she's got to make up for it, you know?
If she doesn't have a good personality, she's got to, like, get me gifts and.
She's got to, you know, take me on nice dates and she's got to, yeah.
But isn't that preference uncommon?
Because I feel like most girls are doing like surgeries to get it smaller.
It's so sad, yeah.
It is true though.
I was going to ask how you like, like, I didn't.
Okay, so just like, first of all, I never heard of this.
So I'm just wondering, like, is this something that you see like in porn and like figure it out or is it just experience?
But if it's not average, then statistically, maybe like to figure this out without, you know, They're like secondhand, like through firsthand experience.
That's wait, with okay, so okay, the labia sounds, yeah.
So if a big labia is statistically not common, you know what?
Well, so I'm actually not sure, I don't know if they've done a study on this, but I think they estimate it's about 50 50.
Okay, that was going to be my question, yeah.
Well, even I didn't know if you guys are down to do a little research, we could okay, show of hands, who has who has an Audi.
That was a what?
Audi labia.
Audi labia.
I don't know what it's called.
Oh, shit.
Maybe.
You don't know?
I don't know.
Can't France?
No.
I haven't seen other people's.
Wait, so you guys don't know what I'm talking about?
No, I don't know.
I don't know if it's.
I don't know if it's an inny.
I know.
It's average or not.
You have an inny.
Yes.
Okay, threesome off the table.
Okay.
Good.
I don't want to threesome anyways.
I get it.
Whatever was after the show off the table.
I just don't know what the average number of it is.
Does it poke out of the pussy lips?
The pussy lips.
Here, wait.
Does it poke out of the pussy lips?
Here, go.
Nathan, go to the Discord.
We can settle this right here, right now.
I'm trying to explain it like the most.
Nathan, go to the Discord.
Go to media.
Go to the.
Wait, is it the media tab or is it the memes tab?
Hold on.
Let me.
Oh, it's the memes tab.
It's one up.
Okay, pull that shit up, Nathan.
Pull it up, Nathan.
Okay, so this is a sandwich.
That's a sandwich.
Audi for life.
Okay, so Audi is good?
Well, hold on.
It's.
I like Audis.
It's my preference.
Oh, yeah, it's a preference.
Sure.
The bigger, the better.
Okay.
The bigger, the better.
Okay.
Got it.
That's a simple way to show it.
I think this is great because I think growing up, I thought it was, I was like ashamed.
I thought it was cooler to have a.
Well, so, okay, so.
So thank you for your answer.
Yeah, I think that's a good answer.
I'm like the only guy talking about it.
No, that was a thing.
I'm a fucking maverick, okay?
I'm a fucking.
He's a martyr.
I'm a trailblazer.
I'm a trailblazer.
The martyr of labias.
What's that?
He said the martyr of labias.
I will, yes, I will die.
I'll die.
I will die for the pussy.
Just kidding.
What's it called?
No, but look, it is.
So the old thing here was well, if you like, this is the old, like in the 70s, 80s, 90s, the language about this was like in the porn magazines and shit, they would only show women with innies.
Right, right.
But now, like with the internet, that changed because there's.
By the way, if I'm in a relationship, I don't watch porn.
Just saying.
Nice.
That's a good thing.
I have.
That's a good thing.
I'm not going to sit here and lie.
I have watched porn.
Yeah.
But I'm not like some gooner where it's like I'm looking at that shit all day.
You know, you use it as a tool if you're single.
You know, look, hey, whatever.
People masturbate.
But yeah, there's definitely women in porn who have outies.