Whatever Podcast - Pregnancy WORSE Than War?! 300+ Body Count?! $1,000,000 To Date Her?! Andrew W!

May 19, 2025 - Whatever Podcast

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Pregnancy WORSE Than War?! 300+ Body Count?! $1,000,000 To Date Her?! Andrew W! | Dating Talk #243

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	Go ahead.
	Hello, I'm Shannon.
	You can find me online at Shannon, S-H-A-N-N-O-N, David D-A-V-I World.
	W-O-R-L-D.
	Thank you for the shameless plug.
	How old are you?
	I'm 29.
	I live in Los Angeles, and I have four small businesses.
	I'm mainly a content creator, and I run a marketing agency and dabble in a few other things, pet sitting, stuff like that.
	Any education?
	Yes, I'm college educated.
	I have my bachelor's in what?
	Comedy, writing, and performance.
	They think we talked about this last time.
	Yeah, that's a thing at Columbia College, Chicago.
	That's where I went to school.
	Like, is it the same branch of that school in New York?
	No, this one's in Chicago.
	It's not associated or affiliated with Columbia University.
	No.
	And sorry, the degree is comedy writing, isn't it?
	And performance.
	And performance.
	Okay.
	And it's a Bachelor of Art?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And that's, do you have a other minor or anything?
	You think that was maybe a Bachelor of Science?
	Right.
	They could offer.
	I was minoring in like communications and NPR, but I didn't end up following through on that.
	Wait, you used to work at NPR?
	No, no, no.
	I was getting a minor in communications slash PR.
	Oh, PR.
	Yeah, actually, I started there as a musical theater major, and then I switched to comedy writing and performance.
	And it's a university in Chicago, you said?
	Yeah.
	Okay, got it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hey, y'all, I'm guidance.
	I'm 37 years old.
	I'm from Louisiana originally, but moved to California to be a professional chef.
	So I have a soul food restaurant here in Santa Barbara.
	I do a little TV and content create and stuff like that.
	I'm also a pastor, so I have a pretty forward-thinking church here locally.
	And I'm currently getting my degree in culinary arts and marine biology here in Santa Barbara.
	All right.
	And sorry, did you say your age?
	I might have missed that.
	37.
	37, got it.
	And sorry, you're from where originally?
	From northeast Louisiana.
	Louisiana.
	Okay.
	That's right.
	All right, nice.
	And you are, do you already have a bachelor's degree or you're working on it currently?
	Working on it, yeah.
	Working on it.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	All right.
	And you said you're a chef?
	That's right, yeah.
	A chef.
	You should have brought some Cajun food.
	My restaurant is right down the chef.
	So let's plug my soul food.
	And you said you're a pastor?
	That's right.
	Okay, we'll come back to that after the introductions.
	We'll explore that.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Natalie Stavola.
	I'm 37 from Los Angeles, and I am a career and dating coach for men.
	Okay, and age.
	Oh, sorry.
	You said 37.
	I meant to say education.
	Sure.
	Florida State University, bachelor's in psychology with a minor in propaganda and media.
	Minor in propaganda and media.
	And it's a BA, right?
	I actually did.
	It's a BS, but when I graduated right before, they offered me the BA because I did take a lot of just random philosophy.
	Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
	Sure.
	So they offered and they said, do you want a BA or a BS because you have enough credits to have the BA?
	And I told them, I was like, I can't say I have a BS degree from FSU.
	Just put BA.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Got it.
	So both.
	And so you're from Florida originally?
	Originally from Connecticut, lived in Florida for a long time and then moved out to LA about 11 years ago.
	Got it.
	And you said there was a minor in propaganda.
	So what?
	Media communications.
	I was double major criminology and psychology for a while and then switched over to psychology and communications.
	I just focused more on PR propaganda.
	So that was my focus.
	Got it.
	Psychology.
	Propaganda have a negative connotation.
	It does.
	That's why they rebranded a PR.
	Absolutely, right?
	Checks out.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Sure.
	My name's Joey, aka the Filipino Latina.
	I'm a cosplayer and a streamer.
	I also am an accountant during the day, so we were many hats.
	I'm 38 years old.
	38?
	And where are you from?
	Currently, I'm living in Vegas.
	I moved around a lot, Navy Brat.
	Navy Brat.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And any education, any degrees or anything like that?
	I have a certificate, but I never got to fulfill my college career yet.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And you said you do cosplay, cosplay?
	Cosplay.
	What's cosplay?
	Cosplay.
	It's costume play, so we call it cosplay.
	And you do, you don't have like OF or anything like that?
	Not anymore.
	Okay, you used to, though.
	Yes.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And how long have you not been doing OF?
	OF specifically, that platform, it's been, I don't know, probably over a year.
	I was doing some like exclusive content on a different site, but it was really more just like more risque pictures, nothing.
	You know, it gave me an opportunity to talk to people on a more one-on-one level.
	So people that follow me.
	Gotcha.
	So you deleted it or is it still active?
	It's probably, it's not active.
	It's there, but it's not active.
	Okay, gotcha.
	And Shannon, did you used to do OF too?
	Yeah, I did OF for two years.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And you were like top percent.
	Yeah, I was at one point in the top 1%.
	Top 1%.
	Okay.
	But you stopped.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	You're done, though.
	You stopped.
	Yeah, it's been like almost two years.
	Okay.
	And have any other involvement in anything else like dancing, like stripping?
	Oh, no.
	No.
	That's the only sex work.
	Yeah.
	OF stuff.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Did you say same?
	Yeah, I used to do burlesque.
	I did OF for a little while back in Arkansas.
	So, yeah.
	Arkansas.
	Nice.
	You were in the top 1% too?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Make a lot of cannabis content and adults.
	Wait, you combined cannabis content with burlesque?
	With burlesque, with my spirituality.
	Cannabis is a big part of me.
	So even my church is centered around cannabis.
	What the hell is burlesque?
	Burlesque?
	It's like a fancy word for it's like a fancier.
	It's kind of vintage stripping.
	Yeah.
	Like Dietavante.
	Okay.
	Vintage.
	Who the hell is that?
	Oh, no.
	That's unfortunate.
	I know.
	I know.
	My degeneracy skills are not up to snuff.
	Who is she's like a famous burlesque dancer?
	Like the most.
	I feel like this is a circle.
	I'm like, what is this dancing?
	And you're like, this chick is, well, who's that?
	The chick who did that type of dance?
	Oh, yeah.
	I will say burlesque dancers consider it more of an art form.
	They're not just like working on stage there.
	I'm going to be more like eventually.
	It's like, yeah, it's a stage, right?
	Whereas I guess like at a strip club, like the burlesque dancers, they don't do like private backstage shit.
	No, no, there's no stripping.
	Usually, I mean, you can.
	It's like a stage.
	Like at a theater.
	They do that shit at a theater.
	I'm offering a $500 reward for a comprehensive degeneracy cheat sheet.
	Hot, not knowing what these terms mean again.
	Okay.
	We're off to a great start.
	And so someone's going to take that seriously, watch.
	Yeah.
	And then what was the nature of your OF?
	Were you doing solo content?
	Was it boy-girl content?
	Solo, girl-girl sometimes, mostly revolving around cannabis.
	So you guys would be like making out and there's cannabis in the background.
	No, we're usually smoking a gym.
	Like, is there like a bag of like cannabis on your head or something?
	No, like the foot-long bongs and blunts.
	Okay.
	Honestly, I'm a little surprised to hear that because I didn't think that they allowed smoking on there.
	You have to be very creative with cannabis content in general, but especially when you have like OF platforms like you were saying.
	Yeah, I mean, that would be just one step too far to let pot talk.
	Right?
	How dare you?
	You're really crossing the threshold there.
	I like that.
	That's what I do.
	Cross-threshold.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name's Gabby.
	I'm 18.
	I'm from Michigan.
	I currently work at a hostess, as a hostess, at a steakhouse, and I completed high school and did some college.
	Okay.
	And you did some college?
	What were you studying?
	I just did art education, so it was mainly art-focused classes, like drawing, studio art.
	I had an English class as well in another class, but I forgot what class that was.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Hi, my name is Wen Yu.
	I'm from China.
	I'm 29 years old.
	I'm currently a visiting PhD student at the UCSB in linguistics.
	All right.
	And how far do you have your master's?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	From China.
	Gotcha.
	And how close are you to getting your PhD?
	Have you done your dissertation or working on it?
	Working on it.
	Working on it.
	Okay.
	And you got another one year, two years?
	Hopefully, one or two years.
	And you said you started working on your dissertation?
	Does that have the title?
	Not yet.
	Not yet.
	And you said you're studying linguistics.
	Yes.
	Can you tell us a bit more?
	Is there a specific thing you're working on with that?
	Yeah, I focus on interactive forms such as interjections and discourse markers in Mandarin.
	Like well or oh, like if I give English examples.
	Yeah, like little items like that.
	Give us an example in Mandarin.
	For example, a Would be like a filler.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And where are you from specifically in China?
	From Shandong Province.
	It's like five hours drive from Beijing.
	From Beijing.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Cool.
	What about you?
	My name is Felicity.
	I'm 19 from Santa Barbara.
	I'm a full-time student majoring in business.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, I'm Andrew Wilson, the host of The Crucible.
	I'm a political analyst, a political satirist, engaging debates and conversations all over the world.
	I'm happy to be with all of you here tonight.
	All right.
	Welcome, everybody.
	We're going to go around the table once more.
	So what's everybody's current relationship status?
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	All right.
	Well, I'm in a relationship.
	And my longest relationship was around two years.
	I've been in this current relationship for a year and a month.
	All right.
	One year, about one year.
	How did you guys meet?
	We met on Bumble.
	Oh, what was your opening message?
	I don't remember.
	We were actually, I know our first conversation was talking about Easter and that he was with his family.
	And I was a little confused because on his profile, part of the reason I matched with him was because it said he was Jewish.
	So I was like, Easter, but I guess his family is half, so they celebrate both holidays, Passover and Easter.
	And so we chatted a little bit about that.
	You were looking specifically for someone who's Jewish?
	Yeah.
	Is it because you're Jewish?
	I'm Jewish, yeah.
	All right.
	And the two-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	It was kind of mutual, I would say.
	Mutual.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Oh, boy.
	Recently engaged, like other than the last week.
	Have a wonderful fiancé.
	Before this, I was married to a man twice.
	So two different marriages, both to the same guy.
	Different guys.
	Oh, different guys.
	Okay.
	Then I've been married to one other woman.
	And so I've got, I would consider myself a lesbian, but you know, at times I've been kind of bi.
	I'm also right now monogamous, but prior to this engagement, I've lived a polyamorous lifestyle.
	I preach that openly at my church.
	So longest relationship would probably be to my ex-husband.
	We were together like 12 and a half years, something like that.
	Let me just get a bit of clarification.
	So you were married twice, right?
	In terms of chronological timeline, you were married to a woman also, correct?
	So is that three marriages total?
	Yes.
	And then in terms of chronological timeline, can you just tell us, like, was it the man, the man, the woman, or like what was the order, I guess?
	Funny.
	Yeah.
	So man, man, then woman, woman, and now again, almost, yeah, woman again.
	Wait, so you've been married?
	Three times.
	Oh, but then you were in a relationship with another woman, and now you're currently engaged to a woman.
	That's the same woman.
	So three marriages, and then this fourth one to my current fiance.
	And you're engaged, and she's a woman.
	She's a woman, yeah.
	Last time I checked.
	Gotcha.
	And then also, you said you're polyamorous.
	I'm more monogamous now recently.
	You know, it's a struggle, I'll be honest.
	You know, she knows I'm honest about it.
	Monogamy is a struggle for me.
	Even being very religious and being a pastor, I have different views than most on relationships and monogamy, but I'm doing it.
	A couple further clarifying questions.
	The length of your marriages.
	The first marriage, how long was your first marriage?
	Like three years.
	And was it monogamous or open?
	Monogamous.
	That was your marriage.
	Okay.
	Your second marriage, how long did that one last?
	That one was longer.
	We were both very deep into church.
	I was a deaconess.
	He was a deacon.
	We were in like a traveling gospel band.
	That marriage and relationship was 12 years.
	It was mostly monogamous until right up at the end when we opened our marriage up because I came out.
	Oh, okay.
	And you said towards the end, and it was 12, you were married.
	So, would you say in like, was it year 10?
	Probably 11.
	Year 10.
	You're 10.
	I met my ex-wife right there at the end.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Man, there's a lot of lore here.
	Okay, so, and then how long were your excuse me?
	How long was your third marriage?
	That one, oh, goodness, seven years.
	Seven years.
	Yeah.
	And how old were you when you first got married?
	Oh, goodness.
	1920?
	Yeah.
	1920.
	Okay.
	And then the guy who you married, how long had you been dating him prior to the marriage at 1920?
	Three years.
	Okay, so you guys were like high school sweethearts then?
	No, he was 13 years older than me, or still is.
	So.
	Wait, and you met when you were how old?
	That one, I was 26, around 26 or so.
	Wait, yeah.
	Wait, but I thought you met him when you were 19.
	That was my first.
	There's a lot to take in here.
	I know.
	I'm trying to keep up.
	That's all right.
	That's right.
	So, okay, wait.
	So, you, the first one, your first marriage was at 19.
	19, two or three years long.
	But you had been dating him, like, maybe like how soon after meeting him did you get married?
	Okay, so I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness.
	I didn't really date or do any kind of interacting until I was 19.
	Met him online.
	This was back when, like, Yahoo Messenger and AOL Messenger was still a thing.
	Okay.
	I think we chatted on that platform for about a month or two before he met me in person.
	And then we had like a three-year relationship.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Of not celebrating Christmas.
	Yeah.
	I was like, oh, yeah, he celebrates Christmas and birthday.
	So I'll give this a shot.
	I had never done that before until I was in my 20s, never celebrated my birthday or anything.
	So you've pretty much been, it sounds like there weren't really long periods of being single.
	No.
	You were married, married, married, married, pretty much.
	I mean, what was the longest break from, I guess, the age of 18 to now at 37 of actually being single, I guess.
	Or not married, I suppose.
	A couple months.
	I mean, so little that I really couldn't even date when I was single.
	Like, I couldn't tell you at what chronological point I was actually single.
	I've always been active.
	Got it.
	And I'm trying to parse all this information.
	It's a lot.
	I should have gone last.
	No, it's good.
	It's good.
	And you said you were Jehovah's Witness.
	Are you still, like, what's your denomination?
	You're Christian, right?
	Christian/slash a little Shinto, a little Buddhism.
	My church kind of incorporates spirituality from a lot of different religions, especially like nature-based, a little bit of Christianity, but you know, it's mostly love thy neighbor, love the earth, and love yourself.
	That's the church of spiritualism.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	It's called the water.
	So very, very natural.
	We'll come back to that.
	I'm sure Andrew has a couple questions on that one, but we'll get everybody's relationship status.
	So, okay.
	And your longest relationship, you said was 13 years.
	13, 12 years.
	Okay.
	Currently.
	And how long have you been seeing your current partner?
	So we met on New Year's Day this year, got engaged on Valentine's Day this year.
	That's when I asked her to marry me, and then she turned around and asked me to marry her like a week ago.
	So double 10 seconds.
	So you guys have been together for about five, six months?
	Yeah, five, six months, yeah.
	All right.
	Engaged.
	Very.
	And you proposed in six weeks.
	She was also, so like with you with the Jewish thing, I really thought that was interesting because like for me and her, she had also shared a Jehovah's Witness past for almost the same amount of time as me.
	And that was like very connecting for us, for her to understand that part of my history and vice versa.
	So we connected really fast.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And you said you were a deaconess.
	Yeah.
	Was that when you was that under Jehovah's Witness?
	No, that's Baptist.
	So that 12-year marriage.
	So what's the transition from, you started as Jehovah's Witness, correct?
	And then you became Baptist.
	And now, and then was there, were you Presbyterian?
	I was.
	What was the transition to where you're at now currently?
	I would honestly say atheism.
	I went from a very strict religious lifestyle for the majority of my life.
	You can't really leave being a Jehovah's Witness once you commit.
	So like the shunning?
	Yeah, so I got shunned or disfellowshipped, as they called it.
	Can't talk to my family or friends or anything.
	Mom, you know, all that.
	So like you're not in touch with your not really, no.
	My mom passed.
	Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
	What about like other family that's still Jehovah's Witness?
	Have you?
	No.
	That was the last time you spoke to them.
	Years.
	I was raised by a white family for 10 years also.
	Were you adopted or what?
	She basically, I mean, she was also a Jehovah's Witness.
	My mom was going through a really hard mental time.
	And so she came in, you know, changed my life.
	They really did.
	She's also a witness, so can't really talk to her.
	So I left that or got kicked out of that.
	Went into the Baptist religion when I met my ex-husband.
	He was already really deep in the church.
	So that just really took off.
	You ever miss dating guys?
	Or are you kind of over it?
	Yes and no.
	I mean, we've only been together, me and my fiancé, six months.
	So before that, I had dated a guy or two.
	You have to be really special to clip through that gate for me, so to speak.
	Got it.
	So I don't really miss it, but, you know.
	And then final question here.
	You said you've had periods of polyamory.
	Yeah.
	So I guess when was that?
	Very recently.
	It's a more recent thing.
	Okay.
	And then you were, what's the most amount of people you've dated at one time?
	What do you consider dating?
	Just like hooking up with all the way to like a relationship.
	Did you have poly partners where you're like you have multiple?
	Polycules?
	Yeah, there were definitely some polycules.
	There was multiple polycules.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Tell us about the polycules.
	Oh, goodness.
	Well, I mean, for me, I would probably say four at the, it was like the max of me dating at the same time, those four people.
	But then, especially back in the South and being in the LGBTQIA community, there's not a lot of us.
	So like those same four probably dated the same four who dated.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And what was the break, the gender breakdown for the polycule?
	Was it?
	Honestly, it was mostly girls and those girls' boyfriends.
	I'm not sure why those girls' boyfriends seem to have a thing.
	But you were just dealing with the, it was a group of four girls or was there one guy?
	There were four girls.
	Okay.
	Four different girls.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Wait, and they had boyfriends?
	Most of them did.
	But would you be like dealing with the boyfriends too?
	Yep.
	So you were the unicorn?
	I guess so.
	The what?
	Oh, the unicorn.
	The magical creature.
	It's like if a boyfriend and girlfriend are looking for a threesome, the third person, the third party is the unicorn.
	Okay.
	Are unicorns referenced in the Bible at all or no?
	No.
	Okay.
	So I haven't read them.
	I don't know if they're like co-opting unicorn or something.
	Anyways, there's so much.
	We'll come back to some of that stuff.
	No, it's no, it's correct.
	No need to apologize.
	I was just asking you some clarifying questions, but what about you?
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	What was the question again?
	Yeah, how do you follow that?
	All right, I'm none of this.
	I don't know about that.
	But I'm having a field day as a dating coach.
	My mind is like, okay.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Can I have you just tilt your mic down slightly?
	Perfect.
	There we go.
	So it's what's your current relationship status?
	How long have you been single?
	If you're single?
	Single for about a year.
	Longest relationship, five years.
	Longest relationship, five years.
	Who broke up with who in the five-year relationship?
	I broke up with him on the five-year.
	And was the five-year relationship the one that ended a year ago?
	No, that one was like three years.
	Three years.
	Who broke up with who in that one?
	I think he broke up with me.
	That one was kind of mutual.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Or mutual.
	Sure.
	I'm sure he broke up with me on that one.
	I can't remember.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Longest relationship.
	I was married for 13 years.
	I'm currently single.
	And the last time I dated someone was probably six months ago.
	Six months ago.
	All right.
	The marriage.
	Who broke up with who?
	I ended that.
	You ended it.
	So you filed for divorce?
	Yes, I did.
	Only marriage?
	Only marriage.
	Only marriage.
	Okay.
	Why?
	I don't want to go into too much detail, but there was.
	These terms.
	What's only marriage?
	Wait, what?
	Only marriage.
	Wait, what did I say?
	Only marriage.
	Oh, I meant if it was her only marriage.
	Oh, her only marriage.
	I was like, does that mean two OnlyFans people were married?
	What does that mean?
	He's learning a lot today.
	Only marriage.
	No, only marriage.
	It was if she had been married.
	Okay.
	No, it was my only marriage.
	There was DV involved, so yeah.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And did that.
	And if you don't want to talk about it, that's totally fine.
	Was that something that was always present in the relationship or manifested later on?
	I think those are things that kind of happen.
	It's like a cycle on and off.
	So it was always present.
	Not a lot in the beginning.
	Eventually, yeah.
	Got worse.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And you said you've been single for six months.
	Was that when the marriage ended or is that a different child?
	I've been divorced about five years now.
	Five years.
	Got it.
	The last person that I considered seriously dating was when we ended it was about six months ago.
	And how long were you seeing him?
	I want to say maybe eight or nine months.
	All right.
	It was a long-distance relationship, so it was different for me.
	Very different.
	Who broke up with who?
	I want to say it was mutual, but honestly, I'd say he did.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	My longest relationship was a year.
	I'm currently single.
	I've been single for like two, three months, maybe.
	And then I had a relationship not too long ago.
	Oh, sorry.
	Got it.
	The one-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with her because we were having issues from previous circumstances and things that happened.
	Okay.
	And actually, I think it might be worthwhile to go around the table on this.
	What's your orientation?
	Are you bisexual?
	Bisexual.
	Bye.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Have you, your most recent relationship?
	It was with a guy.
	It was with a guy, but the longest was with a woman.
	Is that correct?
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	So bisexual?
	I think, oh, gosh, I don't know.
	I would consider myself straight.
	I've only dated men, but I've definitely experimented with women.
	So not dating specifically for a relationship.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Same straight experimentation, but straight.
	Okay.
	Bye.
	No, I'm kidding.
	99% opposite of the time.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Bye.
	Okay, bye.
	And then your relationship status?
	I'm single.
	Single?
	I've been single for two years and a half.
	My longest relationship was like three years and a half.
	It was like with my high school classmate.
	And then I went to Germany as an exchange student.
	It was a long distance relationship and I felt like I broke up with him.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And the three-year relationship, you said it was in high school?
	From high school.
	You knew him from high school, but it was when you were a bit older or?
	It was like from the third year of high school and until the third year of my bachelor.
	So you were like 17, 18 when you met him?
	You dated him until like 2021?
	I started dating him when I was like 17, but I knew him from maybe earlier when I was even 13 or 14.
	Okay, got it.
	And then you said, is that your only relationship you've had?
	No.
	You've had others?
	Yeah.
	How long were you in Germany for?
	One year at that time.
	Do you speak German?
	I do.
	Can we get a little demonstration of some German?
	Oh, nice.
	There you go.
	Did you date in Germany at all?
	Yeah.
	Did you have a boyfriend?
	You said that like with a German accent.
	Ya.
	No, it's good.
	How long were you dating the guy in Germany?
	Actually, I went to Germany twice and I had different experiences once in Cologne and once in Eastern Germany.
	But none of them was with German guys.
	So, like, one...
	There was other, like, Chinese international students, or...
	One time with a Chinese international student, one time with an Indian guy.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Did you date, like maybe even go on a singular date with a German guy, though?
	I think he was born in Brazil, but he immigrated to Germany.
	And have you, besides Germany, have you lived anywhere else for an extended period of time?
	Not really.
	So China, Germany, for like you said it was a year?
	Like two years in total because I went twice.
	You went twice, okay.
	And then you've been in the U.S. for how long?
	I came here last September, last year.
	Okay, so you've been here for nine months?
	More or less.
	Ten months?
	Yeah.
	Do you speak German or English better?
	English better.
	And you speak three languages or do you speak more?
	I have learned more than eight languages, but I'm only fluent in English, German, and Chinese.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Got it.
	Okay, so you've been single for two and a half years.
	Have you done any dating here in the United States?
	Not yet.
	Nothing?
	No.
	Any dating apps or anything like that?
	No, I actually don't know what to do.
	And also, like, rationally, yeah, I think I shouldn't date here because I need to go back to China next year.
	Like, I don't see the relationship going anywhere.
	And I was heartbroken in my last relationship, and it took me, I think, more than two years to almost recover.
	So got it.
	You said you've been single for two and a half years.
	Was that, what was the length of the relationship from two and a half years ago?
	It was actually less than one year, but it was devastating.
	Devastating.
	And that was in China.
	That was in China?
	In China, yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right.
	Cool.
	Felicity, what about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	It's the longest relationship going on two years.
	All right.
	Andrew Wilson, what about you?
	As possibly the only actual heterosexual here at the table.
	Been married?
	What the fuck?
	How are you going to throw me under the bus like that?
	Possibly the only heterosexual.
	And as Andrew, as the possibly the only person.
	The only one who's never experimented with a member of the same sex.
	Hey, I don't know.
	So, anyway, I saw your stream with Jake earlier.
	You guys got a little cozy.
	I'm just, you know, it's never too late.
	Yeah, so I'm happily married and have been for a long, long time.
	All right.
	Rock and roll, rock and roll.
	And then, oh, orientation, straight, straight.
	Okay, and then Felicity, straight by.
	Okay.
	Andrew, gay.
	Are you a gay manager?
	We have some chats here we got to get to, and then we'll get a lesbian.
	I'm a lesbian.
	Andrew's a lesbian.
	He's actually a black lesbian, so if it doesn't work out with your...
	Do you have a type, by the way?
	Woman.
	No, I actually like white girl.
	Do you like white women?
	I prefer white women.
	You prefer is your current fiancé.
	She's a got it.
	Italian and Latina mixed.
	Okay, there's one.
	Spicy.
	Yeah, missed a bow.
	All right.
	FYI.
	Oh, he bought something on our merch store.
	Pull up the shop.whatever.com.
	It doesn't tell us what it is, but I'm assuming given the price it was.
	Oh, plus a donation there, too.
	Thank you, man.
	I think he must have bought a hoodie.
	He probably bought a big lady matter hoodie.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Well, we have a lot of bisexual women here.
	I'm just curious.
	Do you guys have a preference?
	Like, do you prefer innies or outies?
	Andrew's.
	Do you want us to go in order to get it?
	Yeah, if you're bisexual, do you have a preference for innies or outies?
	I prefer my partner.
	That's a great answer.
	That's a man.
	He doesn't have anything.
	Same because I'm sure mine's watching, but that's also an honest answer.
	But I like my ladies thick.
	Oh, okay.
	You like them?
	I love that shirt.
	Yeah, that you've got on, the hoodie.
	Okay, you like them for the dry hoodie?
	Yes.
	I have no preference.
	She doesn't care.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Andrew, do you think this is appropriate to pull up?
	I mean, I would still do it, but probably.
	Probably yes appropriate.
	No, it's probably not.
	Chef Dill Pickles, here's what we're going to do.
	We got to, it's probably, I want to be respectful to the panelists here.
	If you send in a $10, I'll treat it as a TTS and we'll read it.
	You're going to have to send in something more appropriate.
	That's the Chef Dill Pickles.
	He's being slightly racist, so I can't pull it up.
	Can't pull it up.
	Guys, and by the way, keep the discipline good in the YouTube chat as well.
	Moderators, keep the discipline.
	Yeah, JJ Madd, I'm not pulling up your soup chat.
	Keep the discipline good, guys.
	We're not going to pull up anything race-related or anything like that.
	So appreciate that.
	Really quick, Coastal Operator, it's below the threshold, but I want to respond to that.
	If you've got the hookup for the white jazz cups, do you have the 16 ounces?
	Because I need to get my hands on some.
	Because I contacted the what's it called?
	The supplier?
	Not the supplier.
	The manufacturer directly.
	They said, yeah, we stopped making them 2022s.
	So Coastal Operator, can you just bump a DM on Instagram or wherever?
	Yeah, just bump a DM on Instagram at whatever.
	And I would appreciate the hookup.
	Guys, if you want to get a message in, $100 read.
	TTS is $200.
	And then you can also support us, Venmo Cash App, whatever pod.
	And then, let me see what else there is.
	Like the video if you're enjoying the stream so far.
	Thank you guys.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	Where do we begin?
	Andrew, I think, would be interested in exploring the whole pastor thing with you.
	Although it sounds like you're not strictly Christian.
	No, with your religion.
	You see just a spiritualist, right?
	Very spiritual, yes.
	Okay.
	We incorporate many different religions into our practice.
	Okay, so when you are you a universalist?
	No, I wouldn't really say that because there are some things that really don't align with, I would say, my teachings or viewpoints, but we don't turn down any viewpoints.
	As long as their religion or spirituality is based in love and respect for the planet we live on and its people, we're pretty much aligned.
	Okay, whatever that is.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So let's see here.
	Where do we begin?
	We're going to start with Shannon here with your notes.
	Shannon, you previously stated that you will not date somebody who makes less than seven figures.
	Has that changed at all?
	I said seven figures.
	Yeah, you said you only date six to seven figure or what?
	Six or seven figure-earning men, and you'd love to discuss your experiences.
	Sorry.
	So.
	Oh, were you?
	Oh, okay.
	I think she sneezed.
	Oh, it was a sneeze.
	Oh, okay.
	I thought it was like a it was a laugh.
	It might have been a laugh.
	All right.
	I'm going with a laugh.
	We can talk about it.
	Go ahead.
	So, yeah, we talked about that in our previous show that I was on.
	That I did previously date men who made six or have six to seven figures.
	However, my current relationship that I'm in, it's a little complicated in regards to that.
	However, I have negotiated for myself that sort of want in a partner because he brings so much else to the table.
	Like, what?
	Well, we have a lot in common.
	We have a lot in common.
	Like, I mentioned we're both Jewish, so we have religion in common.
	I mean, we're both not super religious, but we do have where we grew up celebrating the same holidays and having similar traditions.
	Especially don't go to the temple or any of that.
	We used to go to more of like a reformed sort of temple, but we stopped going because he was outside.
	And it's just kind of gross to it's like in a park.
	It was weird.
	Maybe we'll start going again if they like start doing services inside, but when it's too cold out or too hot, it's weird.
	We also are both into comedy, so he's into comedy writing and performance as well.
	And yeah, we just have very similar like wants for our future and stuff like that.
	So what's he making?
	So he does a few different things as well for income.
	I don't know his exacts of what he's making, but he has a lot of different investments.
	So.
	Do you make more than he does?
	At the moment, I think I might actually.
	It depends on the month and what we're doing.
	But some months I probably do make more, but he, in the grand scheme of things, has more resources and things like that.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	So you don't know how much your person you're dating makes?
	Well, he doesn't have like a standard job.
	He's more like a gig economy type with his work.
	Like he does video editing and he'll do stuff in the arts for film and stuff like that.
	But he also just started his own business with my help because I run my own businesses, a few of them.
	So he's starting a photo booth company.
	So that's kind of new, but he did have some help from his family in starting that up.
	So that's where it's a little complicated.
	What's the complication?
	Well, like his specific income.
	It's like he's maybe not making money yet from the actual business, but he has like family income, resources, things like that.
	So he definitely will date outside of a six or seven figure bracket.
	I mean, it depends on the person.
	I normally, before meeting him, would have probably not been that open to it just because of my previous experiences with men who've brought in that type of income and just being kind of comfortable with like upper middle class life.
	But like I was saying, he has so much that he like brings to the table and we really get along.
	And yeah, he's opened me up to doing that.
	Is he older or younger?
	He's older.
	He's about 10 years older.
	Gotcha.
	Okay.
	But before him, my past two relationships had more income coming in from like working and stuff like that.
	Gotcha.
	Now, did you do a lot of content creation, right?
	Yeah.
	So did you meet this person because they were doing like clips for you or something like that?
	No, we met on Bumble.
	Yeah, we went on a dating app.
	Oh, okay.
	Gotcha.
	All right.
	Well, I guess I don't have the notes here.
	Hang on.
	All right.
	Sorry, you happened to get up.
	I'm like, I just couldn't keep that going.
	We did.
	Has anybody tried the water?
	Yes, I was going to say.
	Did it taste weird?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	I took one.
	I don't really think.
	Does it taste weird?
	Like tap.
	Is it tap?
	It is tab.
	Okay, it tastes like tap.
	But should I be concerned?
	Do you want to let us know why it would taste weird?
	No, it's we just put in fresh water.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	But it's running through like this filter.
	And I think the like the it's probably not harmful, but like the filter or something is like giving it a weird taste or something.
	Oh.
	You think it smells?
	I think it tastes fine, but it smells weird.
	It tastes fine.
	I know I smell it.
	Yeah, it smells a little citrus.
	Citrusy?
	We all smell in different things.
	Okay.
	What is it?
	This is.
	Yeah.
	What did I sign up for?
	Like a fish tank.
	Did y'all put a fish tank?
	It does smell like fish.
	Does the water taste for it?
	Like an aquarium.
	But it smells like an aquarium.
	No, it doesn't.
	It's not the most fishy.
	Does it taste weird?
	No.
	That's interesting.
	It does smell fishy.
	I don't even know how that's happening.
	How is that possible?
	Can someone Google that?
	Wait, chat.
	Okay, here's what I think it is.
	Chat, can you help any scientists in the chat help us out?
	So I had this was like one or two months ago.
	We bought octopus from Costco.
	Okay.
	Well, hold on, hold on.
	And I kept it in the refrigerator for one day.
	And then we used it during the show and then we tossed it.
	I think, this is my hypothesis theory.
	I don't know, whatever.
	I think somehow, and mind you, the octopus was plastic wrapped.
	You know, like it's totally wrapped.
	Yeah.
	I think somehow the octopus is so powerful.
	It seeped into, seeped into the air of my refrigerator.
	And somehow it's not been in there.
	It was in there for one day.
	And I've cleaned the refrigerator.
	Minuscule minuscule particles of octopus have somehow I don't know This might not make any sense, but I think we have no it's sounds very scientific But for what other reason would the it smell like seafood?
	Well, there's a like, just a possibility that the filter's broken and whatever the chemical compound is smells somewhat close to oh, the fish.
	The that could actually explain it.
	Is that possible?
	Sounds a lot better than octopus particles.
	When you open your refrigerator, do you get whiffs?
	No no, I don't know whiffs, I don't smell it at all.
	That was just my like really stupid low iq hypothesis of, okay, there was octopus in there for like in a day, but it permeated somehow and there's just octopus particles and then they're getting into the filter.
	Did you rinse the octopus?
	No, chances are pretty good that there's just like a bad filter.
	The compound smell fishy.
	Start how much you think it's a bad filter?
	Oh dear yeah, probably a bad filter.
	Does someone know if if that's possible to have a filter that can smell like fish can like?
	I'm looking in the chat.
	Let's see what the chat says.
	Yeah, help please.
	This is about to turn into a crazy live tap water water filter contains charcoal.
	Yes, so octopus particles?
	No, clean your fridge.
	I cleaned it.
	Um, the girl from China knows something?
	What it is?
	Yo, it is zero water.
	Evildoer, it is zero water.
	Uh, hold on, give me one sec, guys.
	I can't be.
	I I know you guys want, want us to talk about like dating and whatever, but I can't be having my guests drinking octopus water.
	I drank the entire thing, right.
	Oh, my god Andrew, you've no zero warning whatsoever.
	I didn't know, I didn't know look, but also, Andrew tastes fine, though Andrew likes.
	Andrew liked the octopus water chat.
	It's still better than well water.
	That well, that's true.
	Yeah, well water, it's a wait, isn't well water?
	Good, it's good for you yeah, but it doesn't taste very good.
	No yeah no, and I, I ran all the glasses through the dishwasher with the the soap last night.
	Did you have an octopus in your dishwasher?
	Is that where it was?
	Uh, the dishwasher, did you have an octopus in the dishwasher?
	Yeah, i'm just trying to figure it out.
	The dishwasher is brand new too.
	All right, like I, it just a brand new one got put in like two months ago.
	But how did we get to the octopus in the dishwasher?
	Like, what's the like?
	Because I figure he said it was in the, it in the refrigerator and then it, but it doesn't smell there.
	So i'm like well, maybe he washed the octopus in the dishwasher.
	I was yeah, because the sink, she's going with the sink.
	You know what Felicity.
	You should have just not said anything.
	You should have.
	Just you should have just allowed.
	No, i'm sure someone would have people wash their octopus in the dishwasher.
	It's, it's not too too bad of a smell, but it's, it's there.
	Yeah, i'm sure it's fine it's it's, it's good.
	We've been drinking.
	Andrew's been drinking it for the past three days.
	So apparently, okay.
	He's fine.
	Well, good, good detection there, Felicity.
	I have been drinking a lot of alcohol for three days too, so they could be canceling themselves.
	All right, we'll get back to the show.
	If, yeah, all right.
	Yeah.
	Let's see.
	Let me check if there's any chats that came through.
	We have Dill Pickles.
	Did you want to revise your message?
	Let me see if you did.
	Scroll up.
	Don't show these, please.
	Just don't scroll up.
	I'll pull them up.
	All right.
	We have, oh, we have some people who bought some merch.
	Trevor, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Looks like you got a t-shirt.
	We have Brad who bought a hoodie.
	Looks like we have Dwight, who also bought a hoodie.
	Thank you, Brad.
	Hashtag BLM.
	Guys, shot.whatever.com.
	If you want to get this new merch, we got Big Labia Matter.
	Mr. Enigmatic, immediately get an octopus in the dishwasher t-shirt.
	Yeah, we need right away.
	We're going to do some new merch.
	Thank you for the t-shirt purchase there.
	All right.
	Dill Pickles, get your revised one in.
	Like I said, I can't pull it up.
	But if you want a revise one, just $10 so I can see it.
	All right.
	Oh, my.
	There's a lot of chats I guess.
	Okay.
	So your current boyfriend, though, I don't know if you guys discussed this while I was investigating the octopus gate.
	How much does he, your current boyfriend, make?
	We were talking about that a little bit.
	It's complicated because he's part of the gig economy and he also has like some investments, like his property and things like that.
	And he just started a new business and he's getting some help from family with starting that up.
	So that's why I say it's a little complicated because he's got his hat and a few different things.
	And you said that he got you a promise ring.
	I'm wearing it right now.
	Yes.
	Nice.
	So what is a promise ring?
	And basically, we've been together for a year and it's kind of like his commitment to obviously being loyal and to having a future together, but it's not an engagement because we're just not really ready to be engaged.
	He knows that I have pretty like high standards when it comes to the person I'm with and making a certain amount of income.
	So he wants to work for the next year to get me a better engagement ring.
	Okay.
	I think I haven't heard about promise ring since high school.
	Yeah, it's old-fashioned for sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then you wanted to, these are your new notes.
	You'll be talking to your doctor about skin removal surgery.
	Yeah.
	Is that that's the most recent ones you sent us?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So last time I was on the show, I was down about 80 pounds and I've maintained that weight loss.
	So I've basically been losing weight for like two years.
	The first year I lost the 80 pounds and then this past year I've maintained that loss.
	And so now I'm trying to basically do it again.
	And by the time that I do another like 75 to 80 pounds, I'm planning to get skin removal surgery.
	So I'm talking to my doctor about that right now.
	And that's kind of like what I document of my own content of kind of like my glow up weight loss journey.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And journey.
	Yeah, we talked about that last time.
	It's a journey.
	And okay.
	We're going to move over to nope.
	She was going to be here, but she was 30 minutes late.
	So no notes for her.
	We have.
	The notes not seem like the same as the super Nazi force.
	No notes for you.
	I have something that I want to talk about with the skin removal.
	Oh, if we go back to that real quick.
	Is it dating related?
	Yeah, it is.
	Okay.
	So the reason that I'm thinking about it now is because I'm trying to talk to my doctor about getting it through my insurance.
	However, my boyfriend has given me the money to get a tummy tuck.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Yeah.
	And he said I can talk about it.
	Like we discussed what I can share.
	Usually when you do a tummy tuck, though, you do all the weight loss first and then do the tummy tuck, right?
	Yeah.
	So we're trying to plan out when that tummy tuck is going to happen, but I already have the money to either do that or if insurance can cover that, then I want to get like my arms and put potentially my thighs done.
	So I have the money to do it.
	So I feel pretty motivated.
	Amazing.
	Okay.
	Here, I'll do Chef Tale Pickles really quick.
	The agent chef that taught me how to cook would always put the octopuses in the dish.
	Oh my god.
	Standard culinary practice.
	Standard culinary ticket.
	Don't be in the right, Andrew.
	I love that that's a thing now.
	This is great.
	And then, oh, we have don't put your octopus in the dishwasher, ladies.
	It's never going to work out.
	Washer octopuses.
	Yes.
	Crypto Hado bought shop.whatever.com bought a looks like a BLM hoodie.
	Thank you so much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Crypto Hado.
	All right.
	We're going to get to Gabriella.
	Gabriella there.
	It's Gabrielle.
	Oh, my bad.
	Okay, Gabrielle.
	Let me fix that.
	You just call me Gabby.
	Okay.
	Are those reading glasses or?
	Yeah.
	Well, they're like prescription.
	I have to add them on.
	I can't see.
	Okay, that's fine.
	You said in your notes here, one time you hooked up or a guy you hooked up with.
	We didn't hook up.
	We didn't hook up.
	Well, I'll read it as you wrote it, but one time a guy you hooked up with dated hooked up with and dated lied to you about his age because he knew you wouldn't get with him if he told you his actual age.
	Okay, I thought it was something else, but yeah, he lied about me, lied about his age to me.
	He was two years younger than me.
	Oh, how old were you?
	I was 17 turning 18, but I was very strict on how much younger I dated because I have a little sister.
	He's in the same age range as her, and that's just weird.
	So 17 going 18, so he was 15?
	He was, he just turned 16.
	Okay.
	And you were 17?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So I mean, it just bothered me.
	I mean, he, I don't think there's, is there an issue there with the 17 with a 16?
	I mean, not necessarily, but just more.
	The issue was he lied.
	Yeah, and it was just uncomfortable with me because it's just weird.
	Okay.
	You said that traditional, you think traditional values that are pushed onto men and women in relationships.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	Was there more to that?
	I don't remember.
	It's been a minute.
	Okay, here.
	I'll pull it up directly.
	Wait.
	Oh.
	You had a guy try to tie you up with a bandana?
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, wait.
	Okay.
	How did somebody get tied up with a bandana?
	Bro, it was a miscommunication.
	He took things the wrong way.
	Oh.
	We were watching a show.
	Yeah, someone does.
	I made a joke about something that was happening on TV, and then he was like, oh, you want me to tie you up with a bandana?
	And then started to get up and grab it.
	And I was just like, what are you talking about?
	No.
	No.
	It was just weird.
	Odd.
	Did he tie you up with the bandana?
	No, no.
	Oh.
	No.
	Was it because it was a bandana and not rope?
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Okay.
	And the okay, so going back to this though, so it was any dating topics or takes you want to speak on, if so, what, to which you wrote, I think traditional values that are pushed onto men and women in relationships or otherwise.
	So, are you against traditional values that are pushed onto men and women, or are you in favor of them?
	Not necessarily.
	I mean, it's, I think it's really up to what the people, like the people in the relationship want.
	But when you're trying to push that agenda onto people who aren't practicing that, that's when it gets negative.
	I see.
	Okay.
	What?
	Negative how, I guess?
	I mean, it's like, it's just judging people for living their life the way you don't want to live it, I guess.
	Like, it gets like, let's say a girl's out sleeping with multiple people, not in a relationship, and then someone who is in a long term, they just start hating on that person.
	I think you just mind your own business because it's not your life, I guess.
	Things like that.
	Do you think it should be that way just with strangers?
	What about people that are like in your family?
	I mean, in your family, you can advocate it, but it gets like if you can advocate for having a better dating life, but if you're pushing it in a way that's shaming them for how they're doing things, then it's inherently negative, I guess.
	Okay.
	So, if somebody, I'm trying to think of an example here.
	If a guy didn't want to date a woman because of her body count and he was, he prescriptively was like, Yeah, that's a bad thing.
	People shouldn't be promiscuous.
	Would you object to no, because that's his preference.
	That's what he thinks.
	Yeah, but he's trying to instill his, like, he's trying to put out to the world, like, don't do that.
	Well, I mean, you can advocate for it.
	Okay.
	But if you're calling someone a slut because of it, then that's where it gets foggy.
	Gets foggy, okay.
	And then I noticed in some of your Instagram photos you wear a cross.
	Are you Christian?
	Not necessarily, no.
	I'm trying to get back into it.
	I was a Baptist for most of my life.
	And I just fell out of the belief when I was in middle school.
	And recently, I've been wanting to get back into it.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And then you also wrote, oh, as far as disagreements with the show, you said you had a lot, but you can't pinpoint all of it.
	I'm not pinpointed because I just have a really bad memory.
	He's like, I can't remember.
	Okay, so you said probably his opinions on body count.
	What are my opinions on body count?
	Well, I can't remember, but I think it's just like the fact that it matters, I guess.
	I mean, it does, but it doesn't.
	What's your body count?
	Two.
	Okay.
	So I guess why does it not matter?
	If you're not, if you're looking for someone with a little body count, then look in that dating pool.
	Let me ask something different too.
	If you count like BJs, fingerings, all that stuff, does your body count change?
	Goes up by like one.
	Okay.
	So it does change.
	I wouldn't add it.
	Well, I'm not.
	I wouldn't include that in the body count.
	Well, I'm just curious.
	I'm just curious, like, is the criteria for body count just penetrative sex?
	No, because I think that rules out a lot of homosexual women.
	That wouldn't be a body count, then, right?
	This is a good point.
	I think you would have a separate category, but for the heterosexual body count, I think strictly would refer to intercourse.
	So if a chick was like, Brian, I'm a virgin, but I sucked a hundred dicks, that would be like...
	You know she'd be really good at it.
	So that could be judged.
	Yeah.
	But I wouldn't consider it a body count.
	That's still, it's still not good.
	It's still not great.
	I think if you suck a dick, you got to add that to the body count.
	Well, you just reminded me with the 100 BJs.
	I do want to add a lot of things.
	I just reminded you of something, did I?
	Yeah, I want to talk about Bonnie Blue at one point today.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	I mean, I'm pretty sure like half the things she does and says are just lies just for I've seen her Twitter.
	Yeah, I mean, she faked a pregnancy, like both those Bonnie Blue, who's the other D gen?
	Lily.
	Lily?
	Yeah, they're just, I think they do some degen stuff, but I think a lot of it is just like, oh, I'm going to do the most, like, claim I did the most salacious thing or, you know, I don't think they actually do a lot of degenerate stuff.
	They claim they do.
	I've seen some.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I haven't purchased anything.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	But I've seen it on Twitter.
	But I think they sensationalize some of this stuff and they just make it up because they're like, oh, I don't have to actually do the thing.
	I can just say I did the thing and still receive the body fit.
	Do you think that that chick, Vonnie, is really in her 20s?
	No.
	I think she is, but some people just.
	I don't think she is.
	You think she's in her 30s?
	I mean, she should be lying about her age, but I don't think she's in her 30s.
	Early 30s, but I think she's in her 30s.
	I think she's had some work done, which makes her in the face.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	You just reminded me.
	Oh.
	But so where were we?
	Oh, the BJ, does that count towards body count?
	I mean, like, for example, Andrew, I wouldn't say a woman whose body count is zero, but she's given 100 BJs is nearly as desirable or the same as a woman who has a body count of zero and is also given zero BJs.
	So, okay, so hang on.
	But I wouldn't categorize it as like a as a body.
	But what if she's only had one body, right?
	Given zero BJs or anything, and the other one has zero bodies, but it's given 100 BJs.
	Which one would you select for?
	The one with one body.
	Yeah, right.
	So then, so then.
	Yeah, you see what I'm saying?
	So it seems like you do categorize it as at least on par or something close to on par with it.
	Yeah, but I mean, I would say like, okay, a woman who's had three bodies, but she, it was like, it was group sex could be arguably worse than a woman who has three individual partners.
	Or even like four or five like individual bodies, but they were like long-term partners.
	But because of the nature of the act, right?
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah, I understand that.
	But I just think that like if he like finishes in a chick's mouth, like I'm just going to count that as the same thing, dude.
	I just count it as the same thing.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	I mean, perhaps you could ask, it would be fair to ask a clarifying, like, okay, well, if your sex body count is this, what's your job count, I guess?
	But I wouldn't call it a.
	Maybe we could throw it in there, but when I think of body counts, the blow counts, what's the blow count?
	What's the blow count?
	What's the blow count?
	You know what?
	Maybe there's been a lot of the girl claims.
	A lot of the virgins?
	Virgins.
	But the oral sex count, very high.
	Shit.
	I need to see.
	Like it's a DUI thing, right?
	It's like, you know, did you blow six?
	Did you pull a seven right for the DUIs?
	It's true.
	That's a good one.
	Well, you know what, though?
	Here's the other thing that I've, oh, I have, I had something on this is so, and maybe the panel, the women on the panel could weigh in on this too.
	Is so there's the body count, right?
	You could have a girl who has a body count of one and a body count of one, but if you look at the specific guy that each of those women was with, that could have an impact.
	Like, even if it's she has one, she has one.
	If they dealt with a just like a filthy dude, like just a scumbag.
	Like, I'd almost like a grimy, like a fucking grimy dude.
	That's just an amplifier.
	Like, if it was, I don't know, like, who's a fucking grimy dude?
	Like, Lil Zan or Takashi69 or like NLE Chapa or the Island Boys.
	Oh, wait, Mary, Google Island Boys.
	Yeah.
	Google images, just so the girls here know what I'm talking about.
	If a girl's been with a grimy dude, that's like an amplifier.
	That's like 3X.
	You got to 3X the body.
	Yeah, I don't think it's just like who she slept with with that one, too.
	I think you're also questioning why she's with that person and if she's overcome her trauma and like if she's addicted to chaos.
	These guys, can you like open a new tab?
	Yeah.
	Thank God I'm gay.
	If a girl has had sex, if she's only had sex with one of the island boys, that's like 30 bodies.
	She might as well have a body count of 30.
	Yeah, that's a 30x, 30x amplifier.
	So that's another component of the body count discussion where if she fucked a grimy dude, you got to count all of his.
	Okay, so one more question.
	Do we have the photo real quick?
	One more question about this.
	What about times?
	So if it's like a girl slept with two guys, but only once each, but slept with one guy a hundred times.
	Oh.
	That's an interesting.
	Well, it could almost go both ways, couldn't it?
	Because on one hand, a one-night stand is kind of grimy.
	Yeah, it's pretty grimy.
	But then, whereas the other one, you would say, well, it was like a long-term committed monogamous relationship, but then, yeah, shit.
	Was it a common boy?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	I would frame, you know what?
	Here's how I would.
	Here's how I would frame this, right?
	Okay.
	And there's probably variations based on like if you start going more, if there's like more.
	So it'd be something like this.
	If a girl has one body and she slept with the guy one time versus she had a boyfriend and she slept with him a thousand times, honestly, I would prefer the girl who just slept with the guy one time.
	Okay.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	And then I'm number two?
	Yeah.
	Okay, but what if it's three?
	Three.
	One time.
	Yeah, three one time.
	And then a chick with one guy.
	With one guy, but like a thousand times.
	Really, even if it was a long-term relationship and safe, you're just like, no, thank you.
	No, I'm not saying, hold on.
	I'm not saying I was not saying I wouldn't date her.
	I'm just saying what would be more preferable.
	So I'm not excluding the one in the long-term relationship in the 1v1 example he gave.
	But so you're saying three one-night stands versus one.
	I'd pick the one in that situation.
	Me too.
	I'd pick the one in that situation.
	But if it's like equal for equal, but then if it starts getting okay, how about this, Andrew, to you?
	10 one-night stands or 10 long-term relationships where they had sex 100 times each.
	You know the actual relationships.
	You can't really have can you have 10 long-term relationships?
	Say she's like 35 and she's had sure.
	Nah, at that point, I would take the 10-19 stands fancy.
	10 Jesus interesting.
	Because the law, I mean, if you're in a long-term relationship that's failed nine times, that's a problem, right?
	That's a bigger red flag than just having.
	Oh, that's interesting.
	I didn't think of it that way, but yeah, that would be.
	Yeah.
	But then, I mean, the other one's not great either.
	No, it's not great either.
	Neither.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is, you got to push the button, right?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	This is the body count trolley problem.
	This is the body count.
	Do you have a belly problem? Is it like...
	Yeah.
	It's like low quality or whatever.
	Go ahead.
	You can pull it up super quick.
	If you had to chew.
	If you had to pick.
	Oh, God.
	Built in?
	Yeah, if a girl was a virgin but fucked one of these guys, I'm sorry.
	That's 30X amplifier.
	I think it's also because they're from Florida.
	They could have Florida, man.
	I mean, chat, do you agree?
	Like, if a girl has sex with a grimy dude, it's like an amplifier.
	It's like an X.
	It's a multiplier.
	I feel like this should apply to guys, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you are sticking to something and something nasty, you'd be like, that counts.
	What would be the.
	I wonder what, who's like a grimy chick?
	Oh, we got plenty.
	Who's a grimy?
	Name one.
	There's a lot.
	I don't know.
	Oh, I don't know.
	The ones that I think are bad, though, probably aren't.
	Come on, who?
	Who?
	Oh, I mean, we could use her example.
	Like, if you knew a guy had been.
	Well, it's different, though, because girls, like, okay.
	Do you guys know who Lily Phillips is?
	Yes.
	Bonnie Blue.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	I keep up.
	She does.
	I know.
	Sorry.
	I don't like anybody I've seen.
	That's pretty grimy.
	That's over the top, though.
	Like, she's worse than the Island Boys would be the other way.
	Brooke Candy is like an island boy, but as a woman.
	Well, there you go.
	I'm not sure.
	I get that picture in my head.
	I'm not sure who that is.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	But so going back to you, what were the disagreements, I guess?
	Like I said, I can't pinpoint them.
	You say, but pinpoint.
	Go ahead, pinpoint.
	What do you mean?
	Pinpoint.
	Go ahead.
	Body count.
	So, okay, of what you just heard, and we were talking about grimy women sleeping with grimy dudes.
	No pushback there.
	No.
	No.
	Because the Island Boys are disgusting.
	They're disgusting.
	I'm pretty sure they did OnlyFans Together 2 or had something on Twitter.
	They did that.
	That was disgusting.
	Yeah.
	I've seen, I saw like a video.
	No.
	That was absolutely disgusting.
	But if a girl tells me that she slept with a famous rapper, I'm just like, ah.
	That's a 30x multiplier on the body.
	But what if it's famous rock star?
	Also bad.
	Yeah, but like Jean Simmons.
	Which one's worse to you, though?
	Gene Simmons?
	Rock stars actually have talent, so I'm going to have to say, you know.
	Uh-huh.
	It's although you're worse?
	So you're going for like Metallica fangirl over Diddy fangirl?
	It would be like who's like a I don't know.
	Do you listen to rap music?
	Yeah.
	All right, who's like a big rap artist right now?
	He's married.
	Or like Drake or something.
	And if a girl fucked Drake, yikes.
	Yeah, because then she has at least good taste in music.
	Like if she fucked, like if she fucked like Axel Rose from Guns N' Roses or some shit.
	Like yeah, I'm gonna give her.
	Although, man, that guy's he's been around since the 80s, so that's a rough one.
	I have a question.
	Is it different for you if she actually was in a relationship and dated a famous musician and then they broke up?
	Like it wasn't just a one-time thing.
	Well, the body is still grimy.
	Okay.
	Because they still slept with the dude.
	I don't know if it really changes that much.
	Oh, but here, okay, but hang on.
	If we get back, if we get back to the B question here, right?
	If they blew one of the island boys, wouldn't you consider that the same thing in that case?
	Yeah.
	Nah.
	It's still bad.
	Don't get me wrong.
	It's still bad, but it's like, it's the progression of worseness.
	So like if they just like held hands, then kissed, then like second base, oral sex, full, you know, sex.
	It's the progression of disgust.
	No.
	The disgust progression.
	I think that shit's just as gross, dude.
	Oh, it's bad.
	Yeah, I think it's just as bad.
	I'm putting them both in the same category.
	Okay, no, but so when we were talking about like, is it a body?
	I wasn't even attributing necessarily to, is it as bad or not?
	There could be some dispute over whether oral sex is, in terms of the disgust response, is as bad as sexual intercourse.
	It's disputable, I guess.
	The girls are loving this conversation.
	Go for it.
	Here's the.
	I mean, it's dating related.
	Yeah.
	Wait, Spyro did an algorithm here.
	I can't even parse this.
	Okay, Spy.
	Hey, where's the oral time is greater than three?
	Oh, bro.
	Well, maybe.
	That's linguistics.
	All right.
	Thank you, Spyro, for the updated math.
	He did the update.
	Thank you, Spiral.
	I can't even parse that on anymore.
	Wait, did he include it for the grimy?
	Was there a grim?
	Go back up.
	Just use your order of operations.
	I lost it.
	It got, let me see, it got unstarted.
	Cosign.
	Yeah, use your order of operations.
	We'll figure this thing out.
	So, look, ladies, me and Andrew here have just been talking about grimy dudes and body counts.
	Are you guys going to push back at all on that?
	You guys seem to really love it.
	You seem very entertained by grimy guys.
	You can't get back because I think we're all kind of in agreement.
	Yeah.
	The thing is, though, how are you going to know if somebody was maybe not famous but still equally grimy?
	Like, there are men out there who sleep around crazy and don't talk about body count.
	So, like, I get you're having the discussion about it, but it's like, I don't know how to, like, women don't have the same intuitive disgust about it that men do.
	That's the interesting part.
	Do you think?
	Oh, I know so.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is.
	In what way?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So paternity tests, those are pretty recent inventions, right?
	Yeah.
	How would men assure paternity before a paternity test?
	The way that they looked when the body, when the baby came out.
	How else?
	What would be the best way to assure that the child was yours?
	Make sure that you're the only one having sex.
	Probably the only one.
	Right.
	So for the assurance of reproduction for the purposes of survival, right?
	It makes sense why men have this kind of like revolt carriage to women with multiple men.
	They want to assure that that's their offspring.
	They can't assure that it's the offspring.
	It also is detrimental to the mother because then they can just deny it, right?
	It's not mine.
	You slept with multiple men.
	So that's it.
	And that's why that revolt or disgust is there for men.
	It's not that.
	You don't think that that's societal in there, too?
	What do you mean?
	I don't know if there's.
	This is just what you find socially when you give different polls and different questions between the sexes.
	Correct.
	It's not that women don't care about it.
	I'm not saying that, right?
	And some women really care about it.
	Just that they seem to care about it less than men care about it with them.
	Or a different reason why.
	Like for women, it'd be protection or safety because if you have someone that's sleeping on a lot, right?
	But we might, yeah.
	So if you use that terminology with someone, a guy might go revolted.
	A woman, we might forgive more or something, or we might look at a different angle.
	That would tell me that it's just not as prominent of a deal breaker as it is for men.
	Or if we, maybe if you adjusted how you ask, you know, because I do think that there's women that are going to be like, I don't want a guy that's sleeping around too much because I don't want to catch something or I don't want to.
	Like, here, I'll show you a big, distinct difference that I think will maybe change your view on this.
	So if you tell a guy, well, you know, there's a woman and she's 28, 29 years old, right?
	And she's still a virgin, they think, well, that's a pretty good catch, right?
	28, 29.
	But the flip side is, is that women will often reject men in 28, 29 who are virgins because they think, what?
	What the fuck is wrong with this guy that no woman wants him?
	So that happens often to men.
	I don't know.
	I've seen it in coaching.
	It just depends on different societies.
	And then also, I have a lot of clients that are 30s and 40s who are virgins.
	Mostly men, though, right?
	Just women too.
	Just one sec, we'll come right back to it.
	Jungle.
	Yo, jungle.
	Guys, W's in the chat for jungle.
	Pop champagne.
	E.O. Brian.
	What up?
	Pop that bottle.
	Andrew is going to need it with all these lesbians.
	Thank you, brother.
	Thank you, John J. All the race jokes to life on the other side.
	Who here wants champagne?
	Crucible.
	Champagne?
	Champagne?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	No?
	I'll do some.
	Yes.
	Sorry, you can't have any.
	Yes.
	So wait, yes.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Wait, yes, yes, yes.
	Okay, so five total.
	Yo, jungle, thank you so much for the champagne pop, man.
	You're a virgin.
	By the way, they better not be.
	And if they are, they should probably shut that stream off and be done with it.
	If they were to do something that stupid, you know, they should probably not do that.
	Just saying.
	Just because it's on your channel.
	Yeah, just saying.
	Probably shouldn't.
	Probably shouldn't be doing that.
	But, jungle, thank you so much for the champagne pop here, legend, sir.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	All right, we'll get this porn.
	Sorry, you guys can continue on with your conversation.
	So you're talking about your clientele and how they don't really care.
	I think it just depends.
	As far as for being a virgin, if the guy's insecure about being a virgin, he'll naturally go towards and by accident date women who will say something like that, right?
	But the more he heals from that insecurity, the more that all of a sudden he's naturally around people that really don't care.
	But as far as societal, we've noticed that certain countries don't necessarily consider body count or care, like Spain.
	Spain, for instance, women are very much so more sexually dominant there.
	They even go half on the bill or pay the bill, is usually that kind of.
	So some of it's societal, some of it's very primal, of course.
	Like you want to make sure that you're procreating that your seed is, that's yours.
	So of course there's something to it on that one.
	So I think it's also how you phrase the question to someone.
	All right.
	Let's do a really I don't know if it, I don't know if it would be how you phrase it.
	What do you mean how you phrase the question?
	If you ask a woman, hey, would you care if you were dating a guy and he was sleeping around with a whole bunch of women, you know, while you guys were in a relationship, I'm sure she's going to have like a repulse factor in that, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	But that's not really what you would ask, right?
	So what the question determines like if you're asking previous partners, right?
	So if you were, I think if you were to keep all things equal, right?
	And you were to say to any number of different women, there's a man here who has a 100 body count, right?
	Versus there's a woman here to the same equal amount of men who has a 100 body count, that the men would be far more revolted by that than the women.
	Sure.
	And I'm just saying with that one, sometimes we notice that that has a little bit to do with society, like in Spain compared to here, for instance.
	But yes, you have that for sure.
	I'm picking up on a lot of words.
	Like you said, primal.
	I think you said something about like when you're selecting a mate to procreate and everything.
	Like for me, body count and like putting value on anybody, male, female, whatever, based on who they've touched or not touched.
	Like we're making equations and trying to figure this shit out.
	But like at the end of it, like we're not in BC era.
	We don't have to pick mates on how much they say.
	Well, you can go get pregnant by yourself as a woman without a man even being involved.
	So I just feel like we're at this point.
	Well, no, you definitely can't get pregnant without a man being involved.
	Well, you got to have some sperm somewhere.
	I guess what I mean is without intercourse or without worrying about how many persons that man or woman have been with.
	I just think that putting value on a person because of body count is so not 2025 because like we don't have to do that anymore.
	Yeah, but it's still part of a survival mechanism.
	For who?
	For men or heterosexual men?
	For everybody.
	Well, I'll explain it.
	Okay.
	So human beings.
	Really quick.
	Yeah.
	We got to do a cheers.
	Oh, cool.
	Cheers.
	Salute to Jungle.
	Welcome to the jungle.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, man.
	So human beings are pattern recognition machines.
	That's how we live our lives.
	Patterns change.
	Yes.
	But keep going.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	How do you know they change?
	That's evolution, sir.
	Right.
	So you know patterns change because they don't fit the pattern that you're used to.
	Yep.
	That's how, right?
	That would be the way.
	So if you're a pattern recognition machine and you notice a pattern between people who do this type of behavior, right?
	This is what I see with them, people who do this type of behavior.
	This is what I see with them, people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	The reason that's ingrained inside of you to do, to make those risk calculations, is so that you can survive and thrive long term.
	And every human being does this, like all of them.
	In ways, I get to.
	Yeah.
	But you know, I just feel like as society advances, some of our mindset has to advance and change too.
	Because we're not out here catching AIDS and STDs as much as we used to.
	Yeah, we have those.
	STDs are STDs are at almost an all-time high, I believe.
	Like they're increasing.
	In fact, STDs we almost got rid of are now back with a bang.
	That's interesting.
	So that, to me, that says that more, you know, I may be wrong.
	No, this is just like a personal opinion.
	Like maybe if STDs are kind of on a rise or not going down, I mean, it seems like promiscuity is in in a way because people who have STDs are obviously still having sex and having sex and having sex.
	So some consider it a very important thing, but there's reasons though, right?
	Like it may be, well, there could be trends you can point to that promiscuity is going down, actually.
	But what is going up is things like sex work and the amount of people who are involved in sex work.
	Promiscuity and different avenues.
	That's a place where you would grab a lot of STDs and get them out to the general public, right?
	Your risk assessment for that is way, way, way higher.
	So that's the case.
	You wouldn't actually need general societal promiscuity to go up.
	Just a small portion of the society to engage in high-risk behavior and then move it out.
	That's what happened with HIV, for instance.
	Same thing.
	It was a small subset of the population, but they were heavily promiscuous.
	That moved out to the other subsets of the population.
	In a way, yeah.
	I think it's also because there's a lack of sexual education in schools now.
	No, there's not.
	Well, where I'm from, I took a sex ed class fourth grade just because of puberty, and I had one one semester of one in seventh grade, but my high school never taught it.
	This middle schools I used to go to, they don't teach anymore.
	I don't know anyone who's younger than me who gets taught sex ed anymore.
	My son is 17, and he had no idea what that was.
	He goes to a local high school, and he's like, No, no one's teaching them condoms and STDs.
	That's part of the general curriculum for most people.
	It definitely should be.
	I think it's so good.
	But also, it's not like, you know, I've never really bought this.
	There's not enough sexual education in schools.
	There was a huge primary campaign run on that throughout the 90s and in the early 2000s, and it didn't do anything.
	Nothing.
	And here's the thing: convincing me that the average 13 to 15-year-old doesn't know anything about sex and modernity is fucking insane.
	You're going to learn.
	You're going to learn.
	You can Google things now.
	I don't, with sex education and everything, it's like you're not going to really understand a lot of it until you experience it or make the mistakes.
	And you won't even hear it anyway.
	A lot of it to like trauma.
	Trauma has a lot to do with whether or not you're escaping in sex and that it's at any age.
	So, you know, you can tell someone all day long, you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that, but they're, they're going to.
	I think trauma's a cope.
	I think that.
	So, here's what I think: I think that a lot of women utilize the trauma excuse for their promiscuous past when they really just wanted to get dicked down by a stud.
	And what they do is they cope about it and they're like, no, see, the reason that I went down and got dicked down by so many studs is because my trauma that happened when I was younger, this bad thing happened to me, and that's what made it so that all these handsome men just had to fuck me, right?
	Maybe the younger ones, the older ones are owning it.
	So I hang on.
	So I hear that and I think to myself, ah, you know, maybe not.
	Maybe it's not the fact that you were traumatized, but the fact that you just wanted to have sex with a lot of good-looking guys.
	I mean that, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think so that, like, if a guy said, like, oh, I just had a really bad breakup and she really broke my heart.
	And, you know, like, oh, I'm back on the streets.
	You know, the boys will be like, yeah, yeah, get back on the streets.
	You know, but like when women do that, like you said, it's kind of, were you really hurt?
	Like, is that really a trauma response or is it just being wild?
	Well, whatever.
	It's coping.
	Yeah, it's coping.
	What it is is they're coping.
	They're doing this.
	They're going, look, my dating chances drastically go down because I've slept with like, and now the numbers are fucking astronomical, like 50, 60, 70 guys, right?
	I've slept with that many guys.
	When people realize that.
	60 and 70 chicken.
	Well, you got me, Brian.
	So Clipping should.
	That's what they'll, that, yeah, that's what they'll say, right?
	Yeah.
	And so if they do, right, their chances for having like the kind of more high-status man, especially in their 30s, going to greatly decrease in comparison to women who haven't.
	So if that's the case, like they have every reason to make an excuse to cope about it to be like, no, it's not my fault.
	It was some trauma that I had that got treated, this type of thing.
	Yes and no.
	It's if you're still engaging in that behavior.
	So if there's a quality man who's healed and he's ready for marriage and he's dating a woman who obviously you can tell if someone still like doesn't love themselves and they're acting out and they're seeking love and validation from other men, then sure.
	But if someone's like, I think they get, I think they get tired.
	You can do it.
	Yeah, I think they get tired.
	I do.
	We do NLP and hypnotherapy with my hypnotherapy is bullshit.
	You don't think sex is.
	There's a little bit.
	All it is is hypnotherapy.
	All it is is that you go in and you can rewire, reframe some memories so that you're not as freaking loaded by them.
	It's the least scientific form of especially any sort of hypnosis.
	But it's kind of fun.
	So the thing that's interesting about this is like, it's not that men are coping or get healed.
	They're not healed.
	They just get tired of it.
	So playing the field for men who can, right?
	It's fun for a little bit, and they just get sick of it.
	And it's not that they're healed from, they weren't traumatized, right?
	They're like, what are they traumatized from?
	Oh, I had sex with a bunch of beautiful women.
	Oh, my God, the trauma.
	Oh, the trauma.
	No, well, that's not where trauma comes from.
	That's not trauma.
	They're not traumatized by it all.
	They're sick of it, right?
	And the same thing with women.
	They do get in some ways traumatized by women, but mostly it's just they're sick of women's bullshit, right?
	Well, sure, but that's not trauma.
	Well, what is trauma for them?
	Trauma is when you're like, if you're getting actually abused, beaten, hurt.
	Like I've had clients that were like for men actually dated narcissistic women, which is surprising.
	Not surprising for me, but a lot of people don't realize that men can be in abusive relationships.
	Of course.
	Right?
	They're psychologically abused, physically abused.
	Yeah, and they can hold those scars over.
	They can go through terrible divorces.
	But no, dating a bunch of women is trauma.
	Yeah, but I'm talking, when I talk trauma, I mean that.
	I don't mean the superficial coping shit.
	I mean actual.
	Yeah, but the amount of women who express that they've been traumatized and then you find out what they've been traumatized by is just the same racial shit that most every human being has to go through.
	I'm like, that's not trauma.
	Yeah.
	That's cope.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because now right now with UCA like influencers right now, I have such a grip with this one.
	They take the word trauma, they take the word narcissist, they take the word and they overuse it to the point where when you are actually having that or having trauma or having abuse, it's like it's gotten so blown out of proportion that, you know, the people who actually do need help or do actually have it.
	Well, actual narcissists are rare.
	And so what's happened is that every woman on planet Earth thinks she's a psychologist.
	I have no idea why.
	They read something online about narcissistic tendencies and traits and don't realize how common the miscalculation between confidence and narcissism is.
	Oh, that was a confident man who was assertive and aggressive in his boundaries.
	I don't like that.
	So he's a fucking narcissist.
	It's like, no, that's not a narcissist.
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	So that's a very common female cope.
	Yeah.
	I think that'll change when we have more females talking to other females about that one.
	Like, no, you can't say that, Becky.
	How would that be the case when the whole field of psychology is completely inundated with women?
	It's like saturated with them.
	And they mostly treat women.
	Men don't usually seek psychological help because they have the boys.
	They go out with the boys.
	They grab the traits.
	They do have gaches.
	Right?
	They do that stuff.
	They're not grabbing many female coaches either.
	They're grabbing their buddies.
	They're grabbing their pals.
	They're grabbing their groups.
	Maybe they might not tell you.
	No, most men are not.
	I mean, most men by the known.
	Yeah, there's a lot.
	Just like most men by the known boot camps all over the world.
	Sure.
	With men.
	With men.
	What I'm saying is that they're not going to female psychologists.
	They're not even really going to know.
	No, but that's why I'm saying I'm not a psychologist.
	They have that like nice little, I'm a coach.
	So for me, if they're coming to me, it feels a little bit less like, oh, I'm not going to someone because I'm messed up.
	I'm not going to a psychologist.
	Although I do encourage it.
	I think there's talk therapy doesn't help with certain things, but it's great to talk things out.
	But there's different modalities of like CBT or EMDR or, you know, whatever it is.
	So yeah.
	I think most women seek out psychological assistance from psychologists so that they can learn various forms of manipulation in order to manipulate whoever it is they're trying to manipulate and they want the assistance from somebody who's a professional at it.
	Yeah, weaponizing.
	So it's weaponizing therapy talk.
	Right.
	We have men that do that.
	But anyone, anyone who's traumatized who's not really or an a-hole or whatever, who's not willing to take a hard look at themselves.
	But they're going to go in there and they're going to be able to do that.
	If I look at the numbers, though, and I look at the numbers of women who seek psychologists versus men, it's overwhelmingly women.
	It's overwhelmingly women in the field.
	So can you always make the case, oh, the other sex also engages in that?
	It's like, yeah, but to the degree of it, it's not even close.
	Yeah, unless they Google it.
	You can Google, you can Google all day long and not have to go to someone and spend money and $300 a pop to go to a psychologist to learn the jargon.
	You could just Google it online.
	It's true.
	It's everywhere on Instagram.
	You know it.
	Psychology is a study of the mind, right?
	I've never even considered, I don't consider it even scientific.
	I never have.
	They have scientific elements for data gathering and things like this, but it's not itself a science.
	That's why it's considered a soft science.
	Soft science, yeah.
	I mean, we're learning not science.
	They learn more and more.
	It's nice that it grows.
	I mean, I remember back in the day when I was in psychology courses, and we thought back then that you only use 10% of your brain.
	And I mean, that's what we learned back then.
	They didn't know.
	And there's so much more.
	It's just a growing thing.
	What happens is a sociological study will come out that has no refutations to it, has not been replicated.
	But because it's the most modern study, everyone will reference it as though it's gospel.
	Within two years, the refutation comes out.
	But what?
	Everybody inside their mind, they already have this bad information, right?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I still hear people say we only use 10% of our brain.
	I still hear people say that left-handed people are more creative.
	I still hear people say that people with blue eyes are generally taller.
	I see people say all sorts.
	I see people.
	I see people say all kinds of crazy shit, right?
	That has been refuted, repudiated, completely decimated for years and years and years.
	But because it's allowed to permeate within the decade of reason that these people are in, they hear it, it sticks.
	They're not looking for refutations years later.
	That's the problem with psychology.
	It's a complete building block of lies.
	Psychology, but that's the thing: psychology isn't that building block of lies.
	It's the fact that you can take a Zoom out and look at the fact that that's a pattern.
	We talked about patterns earlier.
	Patterns do, I do agree, patterns actually repeat.
	It's what human behavior doesn't necessarily change.
	Our circumstances might, or the way things look might change, but there's a pattern to that.
	So over the years, every decade has some sort of bad information that gets caught up with.
	Something's way worse in sociology and psychology.
	You're talking 60, 70% of the studies suffer from the replication crisis.
	All science suffers from the replication crisis.
	The hard sciences, very low.
	When you go back to the chemicals, like chemistry.
	Yeah, when you go back to replicate a chemistry experiment, really easy.
	You take this chemical, this chemical, this chemical, you put in the same conditions, right?
	Yeah.
	The human element is very confounding, especially when you're not studying the direct biological.
	So they go out and replicate the sociological studies like 70%.
	In Canada, it's worse.
	Canada, it was worse, was like 80% plus.
	They couldn't replicate the studies if they got the same participants, the same scientists, and the same control conditions.
	So it's like, why the fuck would I ever trust any science?
	It's 80% wrong or 70% wrong or 60% wrong.
	I don't know.
	I do that too because I remember people were talking about Freud for a long time.
	And like, I was nuts.
	I hated it.
	Yeah, but wait a second.
	He made psychotherapy and he did a lot of hypnotherapy.
	He did.
	We took a lot of that.
	And hopefully you grow.
	Hopefully, you learn.
	The one thing that I like about it is like, hopefully, you can take a mistake and learn from it and grow from it and do better.
	But I mean, there's some cool elements.
	Take what you like, discard the rest, you know.
	And that's that's about it.
	I think it goes back to control because, like, what we were talking about with the body count thing and even this, like, it's unpredictable.
	You can't quantify it.
	You can't hypnotize it.
	Like, we keep trying to put these calculable elements on dating and love.
	And like, my mindset on it all is it's not.
	Like, it doesn't matter how many people you've had sex with.
	It doesn't matter.
	I won't say your trauma, but like, we're trying to calculate the human experience, especially relationship-wise.
	And it's incalculable.
	Like, you don't wake up and you say, I'm going to eat eggs and I'm going to eat eggs every day for the rest of my life.
	And I'm going to have a pizza and I'm going to be bad if I have pizza.
	You know, like your genitals are not one-time use because if that was the case, the first person you linked it with or had sex with, you would only be able to orgasm with them.
	You would only be able to procreate with them.
	Like, we have multi-use organs, but we try to make them single-use or monogamous.
	And that's cool if you find that.
	But I just feel like biologically speaking, we're not even biologically set up for yeah.
	But if you can't, if you can do a thing, it doesn't mean you should do a thing.
	Yeah, I mean, and that's very important.
	Not only that, like, I think that you would even agree that not really, like, there's a lot of calculable risks that you intuitively know.
	Like, you've heard this advice from your parents, for instance, right?
	Don't date someone who treats you bad.
	Something simple, right?
	Or you'd be looking for patterns for bad, bad treatment, right?
	So, there's like no way around pattern recognition, especially when it comes to dating and things like this, so that you can mitigate risk.
	You go, oh, you're treating me bad.
	Don't be a rhythm person, treat you bad, right?
	That's that's calculating risk.
	Uh, quick thing here: we have two champagne pops from jungle.
	I'm actually so curious.
	Jungle donated one thing on my dog.
	Pop champagne because sometimes I get another one, Brian.
	And Andrew was just a light chokey jokes because we're all good.
	No, he's keeping it classic for the crew.
	Jungle, jungle.
	Okay, it is okay.
	So, Brian moderately questioned your integrity briefly, but I did explain to him that your integrity is not to be questioned.
	Well, you, if he, if we get like crazy, uh, first off, if it's legit, and I'm assuming it's legit, it's legit, uh, then that's this guy's a fucking legend.
	Thank you, Jungle.
	I'll just we gotta be careful.
	Somebody's like, they could just like try to screw us over and just like do a credit card dispute or something.
	But accept that that guy sent like $20,000 to the crucible and never disputed a single thing ever.
	Yeah, so maybe it's a piece of like a little faith in my boy Jungle.
	No, yeah, I just want to clear that up.
	That's why I was asking.
	But yo, Jungle, you're fucking legend, and we're about to pop.
	I had to have my girl because we're actually out of champagne.
	You tapped us, Jungle.
	So she had to go down.
	She had to go get some more champagne.
	And by the way, so he did say Jungle donated $1,000.
	Or the legend.
	Pop champagne.
	Thank you, man.
	Wow.
	Bubba Jake is keeping it light and classic.
	We good in the hood.
	Oh, it's one of these weird win.
	Not one step back.
	In one SB.
	Oh, no.
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	This is a good time for me to get a smoke.
	All right.
	Yo, Jungle, you're a legend.
	You're a legend.
	All right.
	Thank you, Jungle.
	Appreciate it, man.
	I'm in the cross.
	By the way, Jungle, if you want to do some fucking top G Giga Chad shit.
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	And you can, for one Ethereum, will pop a ball of Crystal, which is, it's like a $500 bottle.
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	All right.
	While I'm getting this popped, I'm trying to.
	Oh, don't want to get this.
	While I'm getting this popped, Felicity, go ahead, take over.
	Don't be excited.
	All right.
	You got this, Felicity.
	We believe in you.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, is this just.
	Oh, that makes me nervous.
	Oh, God.
	Hold on.
	I'm not doing this off-camera.
	Hey, I'll go.
	How old are you, Felicity?
	Sorry.
	I'm 19.
	19.
	Oh, my God.
	Okay.
	How old did you think I was?
	I mean, in your 20s at least, you know, you look very mature.
	You're closer to my son's age than mine.
	I get like mixed, mixed opinions.
	Like, some people think I look really young.
	Some people think I'm like 24.
	I'm like, I'm not 24.
	I just turned 19, like not even a month ago.
	Happy birthday.
	So does body catal still matter for like your age group?
	Because I'm old.
	So I know, right?
	But then again, as we get older, we don't care.
	Even the guy, I got to say this: the guys that I coach, honestly, once they start healing and stuff, they literally don't give a they don't care.
	There's some people that will, I'm sure, of course, and there's some people that will, but there's sometimes it's just you just you care about more about the person.
	Yeah, I've honestly never encountered someone who was like, Oh, I have an automatic count.
	No, I don't date very often.
	I do, I have not.
	I would prefer someone to have like the same body count as me if I'm gonna date them seriously.
	Well, you're younger, too.
	I can't imagine a 19-year-old being like, I've had 500 women.
	You're like, Yeah, in what time?
	In what time?
	Are you going to school?
	Do you have hobbies?
	If you dated like an older person who had like three times your body count, I could see how that would be.
	Like that, I would understand more like if I was dating someone that was a few years older than me, I'd understand if they had perspective.
	Yeah, thank you for that answer, though.
	That's yeah, you'll have some.
	I'll have some.
	So, what are the age demographics for like most of your clients?
	Because I have two boys, and once I get married, we'll have eight boys in between the two of us.
	So, just like as a future husband, mom, you know, mom, like, what are the age groups of clients that for me?
	Yeah, I coach anywhere from 18 to I have a client in his 80s, mid-80s.
	I have a couple, actually, I have a few clients in their mid-80s.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Yeah, like I've never heard of a coach that handles that kind of thing.
	Honestly, I didn't either.
	I didn't really know about it.
	I knew about Tony Robbins, but I didn't know that this kind of thing existed.
	I knew about pickup artists a little bit.
	Did you want to?
	But no, I got sober eight years ago today, actually.
	Today's my eighth year sobriety date.
	Congratulations.
	Thank you.
	I just like took a cake for eight years and then came here.
	What was your poison?
	Alcohol and cocaine.
	And then pretty much whatever anyone had in their hand.
	It really wasn't.
	I was like, that, whatever.
	Put it in me.
	But then I was doing odd jobs.
	I had a great resume, but I was just, I had to heal so much.
	And then eventually I was debating on going back to getting my master's and PhD.
	But it just, I didn't like the idea of being in school for that long.
	And so I just waited.
	And then I had a friend of mine call and she was like, hey, we've got a friend.
	She's a dating coach for men.
	I think you guys would be a great fit because I was always helping people.
	I was always helping men.
	I was always guiding.
	I was always giving advice, right?
	And then all of a sudden, it was like, oh my God, this is a thing.
	And then honestly, when I started coaching, is when I started really taking a better look at myself and taking massive accountability.
	I learned so much by coaching men.
	I was like, whoa, we're a lot more similar than I thought.
	And then I want to continue my education and doing like NLP and all that.
	You're a lot more cool.
	Can I tell you that I'm always, I'll just be honest with you, I'm always skeptical of dating coaches.
	Me too.
	Are you kidding?
	They suck a lot of them.
	Sorry, there's a lot of great ones.
	So if I was, let's say, I woke up tomorrow, right?
	Meteorite hit my house and went through the wife.
	She's dead.
	Right.
	I'm single with my kids tomorrow.
	I wouldn't have a fucking clue about the modern dating market and I wouldn't give a shit.
	I would literally give up.
	I'm fine with that.
	Live the rest of my life in isolation on a mountaintop somewhere and just enjoy the shit out of it.
	I'm fine with that.
	Honestly, it sounds great.
	But here's the thing: it's like when I talk to the dating coaches, it seems very scammy to me.
	Yes.
	It seems very much like they fluff their resume for how many success stories they've really had.
	It seems like they kind of fluff their experiences.
	And here's what I mean by this: my dad gave me a great piece of advice when I was 14 years old.
	He said, never take financial advice from someone who's broke.
	Right.
	So if you're talking about dating coaches, should people take advice from single dating coaches?
	Yeah, it's dating.
	I'm dating.
	I'm in the pool.
	But I also have an amazing relationship.
	I get that.
	But doesn't that follow the same logic of don't take financial advice from people who aren't rich?
	But you answered it.
	Would you take dating advice from someone who's dating, you know, who's in it, who sees it, but who's also had it?
	But also, you're someone that discerns.
	Like, you're someone that, like, for you personally, you might not need it because you're reading people.
	You are an analyst.
	Yeah, but you're not going to be as the marriage, like, the marriage aspect shows that you were successful in the dating, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	I do.
	I mean, yeah, my clients are not.
	It shows like I was just like the million dollars shows that you were successful in the financial markets.
	It's like when you say, Well, I'm in the dating market, I'm successful at dating.
	It's like, what's the prize of dating, though?
	Isn't it marriage?
	This would generally be the prize.
	Well, what happens with a lot of them is, and I get this a lot.
	So, I'll have a program that's called from like toxic to triumph.
	And I do career as well, too.
	Like, I do have multiple careers, and I have success in there, so I do get to pass that on.
	But the main thing is also like what I help a lot with is stop dating the toxic ones, the ones that you actually don't like, you know?
	So, like all of them, yeah, right.
	So, a lot of them stay single for a while.
	No, I like the financial advisor for love and relationships.
	And we do careers well, too.
	We do.
	I get to unblock in there on like, so I read, and again, this is my studies, right?
	So, you take it with a grain of salt as well.
	You should.
	But some data is better than others that you can judge better than others.
	Like, if it comes from a dating website, it's usually fairly good.
	It's not great, but it's usually fairly good.
	There's less bias, things like this.
	But one thing is like there used to be dating placement agencies.
	So, what they would do, and they still exist, yeah, yeah, is that they would just like link people up for dates, right?
	And then, you know, let the chips fall where they may.
	When it came to the track record of those agencies versus straight dating coaches, those agencies had a way better track record because what they were doing is putting people with people, with people, with people.
	And it's like it's the natural course that if you run into more people, your chances for success increase versus decrease, right?
	So, they come to me when they go to those pools, but they keep picking the ones that don't work out.
	Then we find out why you're picking this person over here versus if you actually want a quality woman who you're aligned with, who you would get married to, but yet you keep dating the ones that are, you know, having good times with the island boys.
	Like, what, why do you keep getting around those?
	So, we identify why are you around those women that are in those parties versus if you want a quality woman, where would you go?
	And then I could point him back to like, well, go to this dating pool or go to this one or do this one or tweak your bio this way, you know?
	I think men or women are better at dating coaching for men.
	I think both, honestly.
	I think as long as you know what you're doing and you care, because I think men or women would be better dating coaches for women.
	Again, I mean, for all right, look, for me personally, if it's a guy and he's wanting advice on a woman, you're gonna, you're we read, we read women a little bit faster.
	But for me, like, there are a couple my girlfriends that I'll go to because they speak dude, and I'm I'll go to them, they give it to me straight, there's no fluff.
	But if I'm dating someone or if I have questions about it, because I have my own blind sides, right?
	I have my own like things that'll come up, I'm gonna go to a guy because, guys, you guys do read men a lot faster.
	You think it you are in it, so I typically do like that, but I'll go to both and hear like what they both have to say.
	But so, I mean, it would stand, it stands so it stands for reason to you that men know men better, women know women better.
	Yeah, I can't say that like as a complete thing because you know you can, you can, you know, you can read women, and there's women that can read men.
	There's an interesting phenomenon here that's interesting, right?
	Yeah, this is why I asked.
	Yeah, what are you setting me up for?
	Well, I'm not even setting you up, it's just it's just this is a trend that's that I see a lot.
	If I ask a female dating coach, and they answer both ways, right?
	Usually, female dating coaches will actually say women are just better to go to, period, when it comes to dating coaching because The advice for women, it's better.
	And then the advice you get from men, they don't, you know, it's not as good, right?
	They'll just kind of phrase it this way.
	Yeah.
	Now, there's some who, like you, will say, well, you should go to men if you're a woman, because they're going to read men better.
	Or you should go to a woman if you're a man because they're going to read women better, right?
	But here's the problem that comes up: women are way worse at holding elongated relationships with each other than men are with each other.
	With friendships?
	Friendships.
	What does that have to do with relationships?
	Well, that's what's interesting, right?
	It's like everything, all of these aspects are interpersonal.
	So it just means interpersonal dynamics, right?
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	So a friendship is still an interpersonal dynamic.
	And friendships actually take, in some cases, more work than a relationship.
	My longest right now, I just messaged with her.
	It's over 20 years.
	Right.
	But what I'm saying is that men.
	I agree with that.
	I think that you should look at what are your relationship relationships.
	But if men do generally better in interpersonal relationships than women do.
	Shouldn't men and women both go to men for relationship advice?
	I think it just depends on the relationship.
	They're better in interpersonal relationships with women and men.
	I mean, we're not going to go down on the street and just grab any man and be like, help me with my dating advice.
	Like, I think it just depends on, you know, if the guy, if the guy's good, he's good.
	If the girl's good, she's good.
	You know?
	But again, you're going to be able to read them and just read them.
	And hopefully they're not full of money.
	Go to my girlfriends, you know, my friends who are female for more emotional, you know, like social advice.
	You know, not that we are not intellectual because duh, we are.
	But if I was having a relationship issue, especially since I date girls mostly, then I would maybe go to my guy friends or something like that for more like analytical advice.
	Like I feel like y'all see it from that more, you said primal earlier.
	I'm going to use that phrase, but because it kind of fits, but not really.
	But I feel like men see the world and women and relationships for more of that like primal thing, like how do I make?
	How do I, you know, provide those things.
	And then women see it more from like that emotional, like, you know, how do I make sure I have a loving partner?
	How do I find a supporting partner?
	Things like that.
	So I think, again, we just go, for me, it goes back to love and dating is uncalculable.
	So I think, I think that one of the best pieces of advice is in modernity for men, right?
	Yeah.
	And you can love this or hate this, is that generally speaking, taking advice from women about anything is a terrible idea.
	Basically, always a terrible idea.
	And it's a lot of people.
	What women are you around?
	Who hurt you?
	See what I mean?
	Like that.
	The famous comes out right away, right?
	The idea, the idea of who hurt you comes down to your blanket idea, your psychological training of trauma, right?
	You assume that there must be some trauma.
	There's not trauma.
	It's just pattern recognition.
	No, but it'd be your pattern recognition.
	Everyone's got a different pattern.
	Because you do have a lot of guys that, like, if they grew up with a lot of women, then they actually do tend to go towards more women.
	And if they had like bad, right?
	But if they had a bad relationship, like I have a lot of guys that if they had abuse from men or bullying from men, they actually don't know what they're doing.
	Trust me immediately to a trauma analysis rather than a logical analysis.
	That would be logical.
	That would be logic.
	No.
	Logic one plus one equals two.
	If my friend group of men is mean and I go to them and they give me bad advice, then I'm not going to go to them.
	That's logic.
	That's one plus one equals two.
	Yeah, no, well, hang on.
	There's a distinction.
	When you use an analysis, a trauma analysis, meaning the very first thing you said to me is, who hurt you?
	Well, that's not the first thing.
	I think we've already now.
	The second I said something you disagree with, it was who hurt you.
	Now, you'll find this trend with women, right?
	The second you say you make a claim that they think is effective women as a category, instant trauma response.
	Must be trauma.
	Who hurt you?
	There's that.
	What happened to you?
	Emotional.
	What is this thing that triggered this, right?
	And it's like, actually, there doesn't always have to be a thing.
	In fact, there most often isn't.
	You can just use logic and reason to assess the situations around you based around the social relationships people have and determine that women usually give really fucking bad advice, especially to each other, especially to each other.
	But men, generally speaking, especially older men, tend to give really good advice and they usually tend to solicit it, right?
	Only when you ask them for it, and it's usually pretty good.
	Women often will give advice nobody fucking asked for, right?
	Nobody asked for it.
	They don't care about it, but they can't wait to give it to you.
	So it's like what I see with the pattern is that generally speaking, women give terrible advice to women and men, and men tend to give, especially if they're older men, fairly good advice to the people who ask them for advice.
	That's just what I see as a trend.
	So if I see that as a trend, of course, my logical brain says most men and women probably shouldn't go towards women for advice.
	They probably just shouldn't do that.
	It's probably not a good idea.
	I'm going to let you guys respond.
	I'm going to let you guys respond, but we have another champagne pot.
	Oh, shit.
	And we still need to do a cheer.
	Jungle donated $1,000.
	Pop champagne.
	Brian, I DM you and it.
	Oh, I let the air out.
	Nothing to worry about.
	They are God.
	Or did someone make a popping?
	No, pinax.
	That was a good champagne.
	It was a champagne.
	It was a champagne.
	It was a gust.
	It was a champagne.
	It was a gust.
	So there's multiple.
	So we need to do three cheers, I think, right?
	We need to do three cheers.
	All right.
	So we're going to have to do some ladies on the panel here.
	How's your guys' singing voices?
	Singing?
	Good singing.
	You're a good singer.
	You're a good singer.
	Good singer.
	Decent-ish.
	I'm a fun singer.
	Don't sing your kid.
	Okay, okay.
	Since Jungle sent in like four grand, can you guys all sing he's a jolly good fellow?
	Ow!
	Could you do it?
	All right, all right, all singing.
	With us, right?
	I'll sing with you.
	Okay, thank you.
	Okay, ready?
	One, two, three, go.
	For he's a jolly good fellow, for he's a jolly good fellow.
	For he's a jolly good fellow that nobody can deny.
	Everyone fucks up the end every single time.
	Thank you, Jungle.
	It's very kind of you.
	Which nobody can deny?
	Yeah.
	What prepositional phrase is it?
	Salu.
	Double fisting over here, Brian.
	It's crazy.
	Is that propositional?
	Prepositional?
	Is that a propositional phrase?
	That in which on about that in, yeah.
	So she said that.
	So that would be propositional phrase.
	Yeah.
	Nobody can deny.
	I think it's a dangerous thing.
	Yeah.
	Which nobody can.
	Yeah.
	All right, guys.
	Well, next time we'll get it.
	To jungle.
	Welcome to the jungle.
	Thank you.
	I'll fill up if they need some later.
	Okay.
	Did you guys want to continue on the you're talking about dating?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I was, I was pretty much done there.
	I just said that's the pattern that I've noticed is that women generally.
	Yeah.
	And here's the thing.
	I don't just see that.
	I don't see this in one occupation.
	I see this across occupational boards.
	Like, for instance, women are often in HR departments, and they usually make things 200,000 times worse for everybody because they're in HR departments.
	And it's just awful.
	They're just awful at HR departments.
	But why are women in HR departments?
	Because normally, like, I think that kind of goes back to like the systemic change.
	I'll tell you why.
	That's all we can do.
	Yeah, yeah, hang on.
	I'll explain why.
	I'll explain why in HR departments, they're problematic, especially when it comes to men.
	So I'm going to tell you, this is true.
	When you go to a human resources department, they have psychological training courses that they often go through.
	And during the psychological training courses, they're taught to use a specific tone, which is designed around the feminine, just like in school.
	In schools, men are disadvantaged.
	Boys are disadvantaged because it's usually a feminine curriculum.
	And that's why women excel in school.
	Men don't.
	They have a feminine curriculum.
	This idea of like sit at the table, have your hands folded, listen quietly while the teacher's teaching.
	Men don't do that shit.
	They want to throw stuff at each other.
	As a boy, man, be obnoxious.
	They want to throw stuff at each other.
	And I'll push back on that, though.
	There's plenty of men who do great in school, though.
	We used to see that a lot more.
	Women excel in comparison because of the rules which are there, right?
	So for instance, when I was younger, you got into a fist fight.
	It was not, it was maybe suspendable.
	It was not a police arrest you and you go to jail.
	Sure.
	If I came home with a black eye and bloody nose, I lost.
	That's all that that meant.
	Or unless he had more bruises or something.
	And you could, that you could have won on that.
	But the point is, is like, nobody gave a shit.
	It wasn't like, oh my God, these kids, they started knocking each other around.
	Oh, my God.
	Well, I think once there was more shootings and there was a massive amount of gang violence inside of schools before any of that like mass stuff started happening, right?
	Yeah.
	But still, men, especially young men, learn differently than women.
	But because they're inside of like a very feminine zone, they actually can't excel the same way they do in like all boys schools and things like this, where they excel much better.
	What's interesting is in HR departments, since they're always inundated with women, right?
	It's always from the feminine perspective, too.
	So let me tell you some things that men hate.
	Can we have a little conversation?
	Every man who hears that does this.
	Oh, God, can you just come down and lightning Zeus lightning bolt me through the fucking chest?
	Please do that.
	So I don't have to go into this room.
	I think women have that too.
	They won't hear any of that.
	Can we have a talk?
	Oh, as a more masculine presenting.
	Or how about this one?
	As a woman, I agree.
	So we don't hate that.
	So what we're going to do here is a little bit of coaching.
	We're going to do a little bit of coaching.
	I don't talk like that.
	Or how about we're going to, you know, I'm just here to assist you with some of the problems that we've been seeing you having.
	And they have a little like fucking stupid post-it notes and shit.
	Every guy on planet Earth, right?
	Even the most like cringe dude thinks the second they hear that, all they can think of in their head is this.
	And this is what's on repeat right now.
	You can believe me or not believe me, but this is what's on repeat.
	Shut up, bitch, shut up, bitch, shut up, bitch, shut up, bitch.
	Please shut up, bitch.
	Please shut up.
	That's all they're thinking on repeat.
	Now, me saying that out loud to a group of women, you think, you think even right now, man, that's harsh.
	That's actually kind of harsh.
	But it's like, that's actually how we think about it.
	It's like, please, can this end?
	How quickly can this end?
	But do you think that that's why that tone is being made?
	Because a confrontation, because I feel like men can only hold it in before they go.
	They lose it.
	You know, and so it's like they have to take a softer tone, almost like, I don't want to say speaking to a child, but just being softer to create this open space.
	No, no, no.
	See, I think that that misses the whole point.
	And that's the feminine prism, too, right?
	They don't actually give a shit.
	What they really want to say to you is like, everything that you're about to tell me, I don't give a fuck about any of it.
	I don't care.
	It means nothing to me.
	I'm only trying to get through this meeting as far as I can to keep this job.
	But everything coming out of your mouth, I literally don't give a fuck about.
	I think women are.
	That's what they actually are thinking in their brains.
	I think women in that circumstance are also thinking the same thing.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Going to you, you are not enjoying what Andrew's saying.
	It's true.
	Oh, my goodness.
	What are your thoughts?
	The reason why she doesn't date in America.
	Oh, I was thinking why you could make such conclusions without giving any examples.
	Like, you need to support your own opinions.
	But even his examples would be a good idea.
	So if you're asking for data for these examples, right now this is an anecdotal conversation.
	Yeah.
	So I preface this conversation by saying this is based on the pattern recognition experiences that I've seen.
	Yeah.
	not preferencing it on like oh i have a massive data packet here that's sociological in nature and probably will never be replicated in order to uh show my findings that this is what men think but based on all the conversations that i've had with men and i've had thousands of them all across across the world same thing with women this is what they think sure but there will be something called confirmation bias in this as well too Yeah, the thing is, though, is like, I think pattern recognition assists with eliminating confirmation bias.
	That's what it's there for.
	Confirmation bias is.
	Because you wouldn't be able to assess your own patterns and your own confirmation bias in it or awareness of it.
	If you understand what I'm saying with that one.
	But sorry, I don't want to take a conversation.
	Let's just talk about it from the ideological.
	You can hold ideologies which are false based on confirmation bias like you're talking about.
	Many people do.
	Until they are moved into a position where their ideology is tested and doesn't fit with the pattern, then they enter cognitive because their confirmation bias shatters based on new pattern recognition.
	You hope, but it actually doesn't happen unless they're like forced to recognize it and forced to face the information.
	We see new patterns.
	Now, what we see in dating is confirmation bias is huge.
	If you have a belief system that all women, all men are shit or nothing or all women are toxic, I'm sorry, but if you put someone in a room full of quality people or nice people, they'll make it up in their head.
	You will make it up in your head.
	You will actually physically hear it differently and you will repeat it back differently.
	You can ask someone with confirmation.
	I would never say that the idea of like all women are shit.
	No, no, I was giving an example of that.
	I know you didn't say that.
	Like in these monolithic tones.
	I do think.
	But we generalize.
	Yeah, of course, we generalize.
	But that's part of pattern recognition is generalization.
	And that's what, but that's a good one to recognize.
	I'm generalizing.
	So my pattern is, is that I'm generalizing and I'm seeing these people and I'm putting them in.
	Well, no, I'm generalizing based on patterns.
	So I would just say, like, for instance, I don't get in very many car accidents.
	So I think driving's pretty safe for me.
	That would be a pattern that I would recognize, right?
	But if you were to see the diagnostic.
	But if I were to, well, how about just I were to be moved to a large city where there was massive traffic congestion and now suddenly I'm driving a lot more and I'm getting into more accidents.
	I might enter into like, oh shit, my preassumption about driving being safe is actually driving is only safe under these circumstances.
	Maybe if that happened, but you could also go to that big city and suddenly only drive like, you know, 2 p.m. when there's no traffic.
	So you could absolutely still hold that belief system.
	That makes my point.
	It's safe to do.
	Right, but that makes my point for me that the ideology, unless presented with new patterns, is going to hold still based on pattern recognition.
	Yes, based on pattern.
	But that's why it's on the individual as well, too.
	So that's.
	You said like women are like less like, not available, but reliable for like advice and stuff.
	Like for me, it's much different.
	Like growing up in the South, like my mom and my grandmother, my aunties, like those powerful women were the ones leading the family, like giving advice, cooking all the meals.
	And like, I couldn't really name maybe like one or two males that really had a dramatic impact on my life where I would say like, oh yeah, like I need you to remember this though.
	Yeah.
	That I didn't actually say who was more available for advice.
	No, that was a bad.
	That was a better person.
	What I said was better if you were a man.
	I would actually go to.
	Yeah.
	For me, it wouldn't be a man because.
	I actually said women are more available.
	More available for value.
	It depends on the subject.
	I think it depends on what you're asking them advice on.
	Right.
	Because women would be experts on makeup, for example, like stereotypes.
	Raising kids.
	Well, you know, here's the thing.
	Why would a guy go to a girl for advice on makeup?
	We can answer that.
	We're in LA.
	That's a great example.
	Like, women are aware of that.
	I mean, let's actually dive into the examples, right?
	So the example of makeup.
	Guys aren't going to go to fucking women for advice on makeup.
	Like when women go to other women for advice, it's on their expertise.
	What would men be going to women for advice for?
	You know how to get women.
	That's about it.
	How to keep it.
	Well, when you think about it, let's break it down.
	There's not actually that much for men to go to women for advice on.
	So if they wanted to talk to very wealthy people, plenty of men who are very wealthy, usually more wealthy than women.
	If it was going to come down to an occupational skills, there's no way women are going to get better advice on electrical roofing, you know, concrete mixing.
	It depends.
	Just like I said, makeup was one of those.
	It doesn't depend.
	What were you going to go to for advice on mixing concrete?
	Come on.
	Well, some women were better at sales, specifically.
	Sales.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But here's the thing.
	Even then, right?
	Wouldn't you, if you were a man, go, okay, well, there's some disadvantages I have immediately.
	Like, I don't have boobs and I'm not cute and I don't have this and I don't have that.
	You're going to go to who for the best advice on how to sell shit as a man.
	Men.
	I think you're going to go with, yeah, someone that looks like you.
	That way you're like, how do you do what you do?
	And with that part, I agree with advice for women on if they're the person you're trying to sell to.
	You get advice on being better at sales through that.
	That would be market research.
	Yeah.
	Except the most successful marketers on planet Earth were men.
	But they probably also have to be a lot of money.
	They got the entire planet to smoke, and they got the entire planet to do all of these other things, which are...
	This isn't the greatest argument right now.
	Well, actually, imagine that I know that you're not going to be able to get it.
	Like, imagine all the bad.
	But you said good advice.
	Well, imagine that you can actually get through crafted, through like crafted propaganda, the whole population to smoke.
	That was men who are able to at least craft that propaganda.
	Work for men and women.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, and they weren't like.
	And by the way, that was like the most misogynistic society ever.
	They weren't.
	I think that's the, what she said was that men were the first ones who can get in that role.
	And I think that.
	So they have, you know, they're a step ahead of women.
	That's worth changing.
	Like now, like, I'm an executive chef when you wouldn't really see executive chefs in a female role.
	Like now my fiancé is a pilot.
	Like women are terrible at marketing.
	Oh, actually, how many women are you?
	I'm going to give you a massive example.
	Do you remember Bud Light?
	Bud Light had a massive controversy where they put Mulvaney on a Bud Light beer can, right?
	And then lost the entire market share of Bud Light.
	Spearheaded by a woman, right?
	Spearheaded by a woman trying to sell this beer, not because she understood.
	She's still in a woman.
	What's that?
	Well, that depends on, because I know a little bit about your background that I'm assuming you don't see Dylan Mulvaney as a woman.
	Yeah, I see the woman in charge of the marketing campaign as a woman.
	Okay.
	The woman in charge of the marketing campaign who had a vagina is definitely a woman.
	Yeah.
	By any criteria I can think of.
	Okay, I didn't know if you're talking about Dylan specifically or if your opinion sites.
	No, the person who put Dylan on the can.
	Okay.
	That was a female in charge of that.
	Completely fucked it all up, right?
	There's multiple marketing campaigns actually pointed to women spearheaded that they fucked up because they don't take in the male element.
	They take in the female element.
	That was a campaign.
	I think that that's something to learn for sure.
	I'm sure we can point to men failures as well, too.
	You know what I mean?
	On marketing.
	But there was a study that did come out, and I can't remember the guy's name, so I haven't gotten to say it.
	But he just, there's studies that have come out, and we can debate it or whatever, but apparently women make excellent CEOs and better CEOs.
	No, they don't.
	There's data on that one.
	No, but you can look on that one.
	Someone else can go on.
	There's also data on this.
	There's also data that says that if you have corporations that do diversity hires, they actually do better than corporations that don't.
	That was a study that came out that I was just debating the other day until I came into the debate with all of the modern refutations to the study based on, of course, the new evidence, which emerged when they went back to replicate that study.
	Turns out those companies were already doing great.
	They just had so much money they were able to start parking.
	Like Costco?
	There was tons.
	There was a bunch of Fortune 500 SPs.
	Right.
	They just had so much money that they were able to start playing around with this model.
	Right.
	It wasn't that that model made them rich.
	They were already nothing rich.
	They just had enough money that they could start playing with the model.
	What's the term for that?
	That's a damn unblanking.
	No, no, no.
	You know when something looks like it's coming from this.
	There we go.
	Correlation.
	It's a correlation, not a causation.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So just, yeah.
	They actually said, like, they took a correlate.
	They took a correlate and then asked, pretended it was a causation when it wasn't to affirm a bias.
	So the thing is, it's like, anytime I look at this stuff, right, I realize that whenever it's led by empathy first, which women usually lead their morality by empathy first, it's usually a massive failure.
	It's usually a massive failure.
	I hope that they mix both.
	I think that we can learn from both men and women.
	I agree because I think that if a woman's just coming in and she's only looking at the empathy, then yeah, absolutely, you're losing it.
	But if a guy's coming in and he's only looking at one thing as well, too, I think that, you know, yeah, if you open yourself up and think about different things and new ways of attacking.
	I wouldn't dispute that.
	I wouldn't dispute the idea that there's going to be some.
	So I wouldn't monolith anything.
	I wouldn't say everything is always an all of anything.
	But if we look at general trends, what we see is that women lead with empathy first, right?
	Men tend to lead with reason first.
	Yeah, when I coach differently, like if I coach women, I have to get them to like stop with feeling stuff.
	It's, I just need you forward motion.
	But with men, I need them stop forward motion because you're making mistakes and not assessing.
	So I need you intuitive.
	So men can listen to your gut.
	You've done it and you've said it.
	You right now could look at someone or look at someone's profile and intuitively kind of know based on logic, based on things, based on whatever, but you could know who that person is, what they're about to do or say or whatnot, or if they're a good person, decent person, or false.
	I've had intuition as well.
	But I've had significant advantages of having tons and tons of interpersonal conversations with thousands of different people all over the place.
	So it helps your intuition.
	I have significant advantages that the general public would not have when it came to understanding what people are saying, why they're saying it, what type of worldview they're leading from.
	Most people don't have that.
	And because they don't, right, it's easy enough for me to just say, look, generally women do lead with empathy.
	Yes.
	And generally, men do lead with reason.
	Yes.
	If that's the case, right?
	Who the fuck would you want in charge of every situation?
	Both.
	Probably the sex.
	I want the person.
	I want either one that's unlocked both.
	So for a man, if he's got intuition.
	What advantage does empathy give you over reason?
	Because your intuition.
	Think about it as intuition.
	No, no, no, not intuition.
	That's not my question.
	What advantage?
	Oh, yeah.
	If a man has empathy, if a man is able to do forward motion plus empathy, I feel like he's leaking.
	What?
	What?
	How?
	What does the empathy give him?
	In the marriage?
	Like, if you're in the dating pool, a woman's going to look for a man who has empathy as well as strength.
	EQ.
	But if you have reason, couldn't she just fake the empathy?
	Who's faking empathy?
	Who's going to get married to someone who's been faking for that long?
	And you can only get spot red flags.
	So, like, the idea, I'll give you this great example of this, right?
	And almost probably every man will do this, where his woman comes to him with some stupid fucking problem he doesn't give a shit about, but she does, right?
	She cares about it for whatever reason, and it's literally fucking meaningless.
	Totally meaningless, means nothing, totally irrelevant, totally nonsensical.
	Nobody on planet Earth gives a shit.
	He's like this.
	He goes, it's okay, honey, right?
	Now, in his mind, I'm going to tell you what he's thinking.
	What he's thinking in his head is, God, this is fucking stupid.
	And I hope that you just stop with this fucking shit in the next 20 minutes.
	That would be great.
	I got other shit to do.
	I can't even believe that you're hysterical about this.
	This is, they're faking empathy.
	Well, if you need to fight me.
	Hold up, guys.
	We have to do that too.
	But we know.
	It's called a relationship.
	You know, you know, no, no, no, I'm not.
	I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding on that one.
	Chuck down my throat on that.
	Are you actually that way with your wife?
	Sometimes.
	Like, there's been times where my wife, for instance, right?
	Just like every woman on planet Earth, she's been on her period.
	She's completely irrational, right?
	Says some stupid ass fucking shit.
	And I've told her things like, go to your room.
	Literally go to your room and take a fucking nap.
	And she can't.
	Take a quiet room and take a nap like a fucking human being.
	Go to your room and take a fucking nap.
	Does she speak to you?
	And you know what she does?
	She goes to her room and she takes a step.
	And she's a little bit of a child.
	Next thing I know, she acts like a rational human being.
	Does she speak to you that way too, though?
	And I mean that in a good way, but do you guys get to communicate like that?
	You know what I mean?
	Let us pretend for a moment.
	Because I'm Italian, so we talk like that as women too in our families.
	Yeah, I'll respond to that.
	So I'm just saying that it's a matter of time.
	I'll respond to this.
	I'll respond to this.
	Let us pretend for a moment that for a week out of every month, I completely lost my fucking mind due to hormones and started like, oh, I don't know, ripping doors off hinges.
	I'm sure she probably wouldn't be very pleasant about that.
	Yes, exactly.
	But guess what?
	But guess what?
	She's like, go take a look at that.
	Because I'm not, I don't have what is called hormonal lunacy once a month.
	You don't have to worry about that.
	Men lead with reason.
	So, no, my wife's not going to talk about it.
	Maybe you might have some reason, but you've suppressed emotions and you emotionally explode and angry.
	You're supposed to suppress emotions.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Go for it.
	Suppress.
	Men out there, suppress.
	Yes, suppress.
	You don't want to see what happens.
	Push it down.
	You only allow corniness and anger.
	Really quick before I move this on.
	You've been grimacing the week.
	And she had such a great point.
	Yeah.
	She has.
	She's nothing happy.
	Yeah.
	What do you think about this terrible misogynist?
	Her winner.
	I'm a misogynist.
	Can't believe what I've just heard.
	Terribly, I know.
	Yeah, that's exactly why I don't turn to men for help or support.
	What did he actually say?
	Like, he doesn't care about what the girl is talking about, like her feelings, saying like lunacy, hysterical, all these words.
	Like even in hysteria, the word estimologically is like anti-women.
	Like it's made up by men to saying women are crazy.
	So I don't know.
	Do women, let me ask you a question.
	Do men get periods?
	No.
	Okay, so they do change hormonal.
	No, they do have hormonal frequency.
	Hang on.
	Do women one time per month have massive hormonal changes which affect literally how they think?
	Yeah, not everybody.
	Not every woman.
	You can actually have a smaller women for help.
	It's because like when I feel really sad, I need to have emotional support for you.
	Yeah, you want me to lie to you.
	Yeah, hey, you want to lie to you?
	And then, like, I can reason myself.
	I can think it's true.
	And also.
	Because we don't want them to be lying to us.
	We want them to have genuine empathy, which they don't live.
	They lie.
	Women lie to us.
	We all lie.
	That's fine.
	No, we all lie.
	Of course.
	I don't even care.
	We'll come right back to this.
	I knew that this chat, I'm very sorry I missed it.
	Or a TTS came in 25 minutes ago.
	I apologize.
	Normally we're on companies, but I missed it.
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	Six plus have a greater likelihood of cheating, relationship dissatisfaction, can't pair bond, depression.
	And it's just disgusting.
	Why would any guy want that?
	Actually, the last part of what that chatter said is the most important part.
	And it's just disgusting.
	That's all that needs to be.
	If it is the case from the man's prism that it's revolting and preferences are fine to have, then that's enough.
	Sure, absolutely.
	You don't need any preference.
	Your preference is changing.
	Even where men feel like it's okay for them, where with a woman has a higher body count, it's a no.
	I think that that's where there's a disconnect and it just doesn't seem to exist.
	Well, here's what seems like a fairly different thing.
	Well, here's the thing.
	Well, let me ask you a question.
	Yeah.
	You go on first dates, yeah?
	Of course I go on first dates.
	When's the last time you've been on the first date?
	It's been a while.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	In my ripe age, I'm not really sure.
	I'll say maybe in the last year I've gone on, I don't know, eight.
	Okay, who paid for the dates?
	The men have.
	Did you offer?
	One time, yes.
	And I actually paid and the guy decided not to get anything.
	Yeah.
	And then, but you went out of baby.
	Wait, and he didn't pay for anything.
	He didn't ask for anything when I offered to pay.
	So I was like, all right, I'm getting my own thing.
	So, I mean, we can discuss about what's fair, what's unfair, or double standards or benefits that men receive, benefits that women receive, male privilege, female privilege.
	You seem to have a double standard as it relates to who pays on the first date.
	So what's the actual problem?
	think it's a double standard i think that do you do you pay for dates I have.
	Okay.
	Other than the fact that he didn't order anything, I was very willing to pay for it.
	But okay, so seven of the eight dates that you went on just this year, the man paid for all of them.
	Yes, because he asked me out on a date, and I was like, sure.
	Do you ask men out on dates?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	So conveniently, it's just very convenient, this whole men should pay on dates.
	Whoever asks should, or excuse me, whoever asks should be the one who pays on dates.
	But women conveniently never ask men on dates.
	So your argument as to if your argument is whoever asks should pay would make sense to me if men and women asked each other out at equivalent rates, but they clearly don't.
	So you're kind of going around the bush as to beating around the bush or not beating around the bushes.
	I'm actually interested in how this correlates to my thing about body count.
	Why is it okay for you?
	Sure, sure.
	So here's the example.
	So you were saying, well, it's kind of okay for men to have a high body count, but when women have a high body count, there's an issue with it.
	So there's a double, you claim there's a double standard that exists, right?
	Yes.
	Right.
	And you might say, for example, as follows.
	If a guy himself has a high body count, it would be unfair or unreasonable or hypocritical or a double standard for, as a man with high body count, to desire a woman who has a low body count.
	Oh, she's just like, so definitely he can desire someone.
	I just don't think it should be shamed.
	Like, oh, it's disgusting.
	We're not, I don't think we're talking about, well, I'm talking about.
	That's what I thought was a problem.
	To use that term disgusting to describe a person because of their human experience.
	Disgusting for the women.
	No, I'll explain it.
	So for example, body count sort of moves it far away from what a sexual encounter actually is.
	So for example, and there could be differentials here.
	You'll probably respond like, oh, well, a woman could have a high body count, but she's been celibate for three years.
	But I'd point to it like this.
	For example, here's how it's disgusting.
	If a woman slept with a different guy the night before and she goes on a date with me and I sleep with her, that's disgusting.
	To you.
	To most men, that's going to be disgusting if a woman recently slept with another man, especially if she fucked him without a condom, especially if she let him come inside her.
	Can I say why?
	Can I just ask why?
	Why do you know that?
	Well, I mean, why is it disgusting?
	Biologically, socially, or emotionally?
	What is disgusting?
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, can we break those down, maybe?
	Sure, then.
	Sure, actually, let's just start with the first one.
	I just want to start with the biological.
	Personally, I actually wouldn't disagree with you.
	Now, although I have gone on dates and things like that, I would not disagree with you.
	I just mean in general, I just want to know why it's okay.
	I know she wants to discuss it, but I don't disagree.
	If she was with somebody, went raw, he came in her, whatever, and then goes on another date, and then that's going to happen the very next day with a new person.
	I'm not in disagreement with you.
	The main point I was going to say here is that when it comes to the unfairness, I think you're pointing towards the double standard or the potential hypocrisy.
	Now, the thing is, my view is when it comes to both men and women, we are allowed to desire things in the partner, traits in a partner that we ourselves don't possess.
	So, for example, I wouldn't find it a double standard necessarily or hypocritical if a woman who was poor was attracted to and dated or wanted to date really rich men.
	I don't think that that would be hypocritical or double standard.
	So, a guy who has a high body count, for example, I don't think it would be hypocritical or double standard if despite him having high body count, he wants to, he has a preference for women with a low body count.
	I think it's different because I think it's how would it be different?
	I think because it's morally like if you're loose with yourself with other people, then you know, maybe the person that doesn't have as much money that like your example was of a poor girl.
	Okay.
	No, no, no, go ahead.
	I have a response though.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, sure.
	So, like, if your example is like, okay, there's this poor girl or somebody who's maybe just like a server.
	She doesn't get some money.
	She wants to date someone who made six figures.
	Who knows?
	Whatever, a multi-millionaire.
	I don't think that that's the same morally.
	Maybe she hasn't had the same opportunities as somebody who, a guy that sleeps around.
	Okay, so I'll respond to that.
	So are you stating that when it comes to preferences, people are only entitled to having preferences as it relates to morals?
	Because women have one last thing, and I'll let you respond.
	Women have plenty of preferences for men that have nothing to do with morals.
	And they do, and they also have preferences that do relate to men.
	Just relation, relationally, even to just attraction, right?
	It sounds like we went off topic from shaming someone.
	Not really.
	Like, we're still on.
	I think it's still somewhat on top.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Go ahead.
	I'm going to let this come in, but then you can respond.
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	Sorry, you can't reason with these women.
	They're driven by emotion and are therefore unreasonable.
	Reason and logic push society ladies not your feelings.
	That sounds like an emotional response.
	But when you go home.
	Right.
	Because when you go home, you want that woman with feelings.
	You don't want a woman that sits there and is analytical.
	You don't come home to a pair of boobs that are hard as rock.
	You come home.
	Some men do.
	Some do.
	And, you know, I mean, like, I think there's a balance.
	There's just that balance that we have to.
	Well, you make a fine point.
	I would just give the quick refutation before Brian and the gal get back into it.
	The only thing I would say is this, it is the case.
	You are right.
	That men are perfectly happy to have women who lead with emotion in life if they submit to them.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like, I'm more masked in my relationship and my current partner and fiancé, she's more feminine and she definitely likes she submits to me because like I, I mean, she makes, but she makes more money than me as a pilot and me as like a chef and doing like more gig work and stuff like that.
	It has nothing to do with what submission is ultimately.
	Well, no, no, I definitely know that.
	But I just mean like did you want to continue?
	If you don't mind just repeating, I kind of lost track of the you guys were focused on whether or not it was hypocrisy, Brian.
	Oh, because there was a focus on the higher body count.
	I think that if versus women.
	I mean, I think that if long term you're looking for somebody, like obviously you're going to want to connect on moral things, on compatibility is a factor in a long-term relationship.
	So yeah, I think that if you're going to be not asking, but looking for the preference of somebody who has a lower body count, you yourself should not have been like a hoe as a man.
	Well, let me see if I can make a response to this by just asking you a simple question.
	Would it be a deal breaker for you if you met a man and he had all the right criteria?
	He was a millionaire, perhaps.
	He met the attractiveness scale that you wanted.
	If he had slept with 150 women, but he wanted to settle down with you?
	I think if he was ready to settle down, then that's fine as long as he's clean.
	And now it's just him and I were married.
	So that wouldn't be a deal breaker, right?
	Right.
	Okay, but for men, that's a deal breaker.
	But for a majority of men, I want to know why.
	Yeah, it doesn't maybe logically.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, actually, actually, it should logically make sense.
	Hypocrisy, people use this word the wrong way.
	Hypocrisy doesn't mean I'm guilty of the thing in which I'm telling you not to do.
	That's not hypocrisy.
	Hypocrisy has an experience of pretending.
	So let me give you an example.
	I smoke, but I tell my children not to smoke.
	Does that make me a hypocrite?
	Should I tell my 10-year-old they can smoke?
	Well, I mean, 10 years old, there's a lot of things you shouldn't do at 10.
	As a parent, I do think that it's confusing for the child.
	Yeah, yeah, but the pretending, that's why it's not hypocrisy.
	Pretending is what's hypocrisy.
	So if I were to say it's wrong for anybody on planet Earth to smoke and then smoked, I'd be a hypocrite.
	But if I'm like a fat person, let's say I'm really fat, right, and I'm around another fat person, say, hey, you should lose some weight, right?
	That's not hypocrisy.
	That person actually maybe should lose some weight.
	You actually being fat doesn't have anything to do with whether or not that person should lose weight or not.
	It would only be if you said, right, I myself, right, as a not fat person, am telling you not to lose weight.
	That would then make you a hypocrite, right?
	Hypocrisy has an um you have to have some type of pretending associator.
	It's not hypocrisy.
	People confuse this with just you are guilty of the same thing you're telling the other person not to do.
	And a great example of this.
	I was a former drug addict, let's say.
	Okay.
	And I'm telling people not to be drug addicts.
	Am I a hypocrite?
	No, because you've changed your ways and you're trying to, I would think that as a man, you're trying to lead by example.
	Right.
	Right.
	That's what a traditional man is.
	But if I was, if I said, okay, I'm a former drug addict.
	You stopped being a drug addict and secretly did drugs.
	Would I be a hypocrite then?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	That's what actual hypocrisy is.
	So if a man is the definition.
	No, I'm not sure if that's a good question.
	So if a man has a preference and he says, I don't want a woman who has a high body count, right?
	But he's fine with his own high body count.
	That's not hypocrisy.
	Okay.
	I mean, to me, I'm still not convinced.
	It still seems like an unfair, like, I mean, obviously people can have their preferences.
	Well, you can say it's not fair.
	Yeah, I just don't know.
	You can't say it's hypocrisy.
	I don't know.
	What's hypocritical about it?
	Being guilty of that which you're accusing the other person, that's not hypocrisy.
	Depending on the why.
	But so when you say it's unfair, right?
	I can't think of a better word to use though.
	That's fine, but let's go ahead and grant it.
	Double standard, maybe?
	Yeah.
	That might be better.
	Let's go ahead and grant.
	Double standard, yeah.
	I'm so sorry.
	It's okay.
	Let's go ahead and grant that it's unfair.
	So?
	Yeah.
	I'm just trying to understand where the logic is behind it.
	If you guys have the logic of what?
	The logic of why it's okay for you for, I'm not going to say you.
	Men typically always are, they are known for sleeping around.
	If they can get it, they're going to take it because maybe women.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, can you clarify when you say it's okay, what specifically?
	Because I don't think I'm making the claim that it's okay for men to be promiscuous, but I am saying it's okay for a man who has a high body count to want to walk who doesn't.
	Date a woman who has a low body count or who's a virgin.
	And I'm not disagreeing with that.
	I just think it's the shame and the you're disgusting and calling, you know, it's revolting.
	And yet they're sleeping around doing the same.
	I'm actually fine with that too.
	I'm fine with that too.
	But are you saying it's revolting for both to be doing it?
	Or just both to be promiscuous?
	My viewpoint always follows from Christian ethics.
	So promiscuity in men is just, from my view, right, is a no-no, just like it is with women.
	But while that's prescriptively true, meaning this is a prescription I give men and women, I'm also going to give a descriptive truth.
	The descriptive truth is that it's less of a big deal for women than it is for men.
	And because that is the case, that women perceive it that way versus men, the societal damage is always going to be lesser if men do it than if women do.
	Sure.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Simple.
	Honestly.
	There's my prescription.
	My prescription is that neither of you should do this.
	But descriptively, if this behavior is found in one sex versus the other, it's more damaging.
	That's why we have virtues.
	That's what femininity and masculinity is.
	It's a tie to virtue from the sex, right?
	So if women engage in one type of virtue and it does way more damage if they abandon it versus men, it's feminine.
	It's masculine.
	If men refuse the virtue, it does way more damage to society.
	That's a masculine virtue.
	So you're saying societally because men typically do do it.
	Hold on, let me take this back.
	No, no, no.
	The ramifications on society are it's not as bad, right?
	The outcomes are not as bad.
	Because women are generally more accepting of a high body.
	No, not just that, because of reproduction.
	Like there's a reproductive element which goes into it, which would make it worse for like, especially for the outcome for children, if it is the case that women are promiscuous versus men.
	Like, for instance, you could have 300 promiscuous men all screwing the same woman, right?
	For like the purpose of reproduction or whatever.
	That would be less bad than if you had 300 women get pregnant and be single moms, right?
	Like ultimately, that would be worse, right?
	Wait, worse for what?
	Just for society in general.
	If there were 300 single moms versus one single mom, right?
	That would still be worse, you would agree, right?
	I don't know.
	Are you trying to make kids?
	I don't, yeah.
	It's not a matter of making kids.
	I'm just trying to give you a scale.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just like a sliding scale.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying any of it's good.
	Just which would be more optimal, which would be better.
	Which makes sense.
	Personally, my boyfriend and my ex right before him both had very low body counts.
	I don't know the exacts, but I know it's pretty low.
	And I actually appreciated that in him.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we're not even saying that there's a matter of appreciation.
	We're just saying that ultimately, here's what I see: that women, generally speaking, have a lesser interest in the male body count than the men do with the female body count.
	Sure.
	And I also see the outcomes of if you have promiscuous women, because they can reproduce and men can't, seems to actually be worse if women are promiscuous than men.
	Because men can be promiscuous with a small pool of women, right?
	But if women become promiscuous with a large pool of men, there's going to be reproduction.
	Is there a component here, too, to the, I guess, the unfairness and the double standard?
	Is that, and I agree with Andrew insofar as I don't think either men or women should be promiscuous.
	I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women.
	But I do know that there is some cohort of men who, for example, if a woman sleeps with a bunch of men, she's a slut.
	If a guy sleeps with a bunch of women, he's a stud.
	Like it's, it's, and not all, trust me, there's men who frown on the guy who's promiscuous too, like I just said.
	Right.
	But I call them fucking degenerates.
	They're all degenerates.
	I like that we've gotten here, though.
	This is great.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But there is some men who will be impressed by a man who's sexually successful with a lot of women.
	So is that a component of your argument?
	Yeah, I mean, that's a huge part of it.
	So, I mean, I'm understanding where Andrew came from with the whole, you know, right.
	I mean, I would, again, just to be clear, not in favor of male promiscuity.
	Right.
	But my, I guess my response to that would be when it comes to the impressiveness factor or men who sleep with a lot of women, they're like, oh, that's, you're, you're such a stud.
	So cool?
	Uh, the reality is, any single woman, if she wanted to, could be a slut.
	Any single woman could be a slut.
	Very, very few men can be a slut.
	Like most men average man, he can't sleep with a new girl every single day, every single girl at this table.
	If you wanted to, you could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week.
	You could probably three guys in a day.
	You could probably ten guys.
	I see you.
	I see you shaking your head.
	I will prove this to you.
	I will put a bet on the table right now, for 500 bucks, that if you and I go out to the street right now with a cardboard sign you put up and say i'll sleep with any man who wants and I hold it up and say i'll sleep with any woman who wants, which one of us getting picked up first?
	Which one of us getting picked up first?
	Probably me yeah, but why do you disagree?
	I guess it's.
	I mean yeah woman, it's easier for women go around, go out and sleep around, but for some women that's not the case and for some men it's easy to go sleep around.
	So it's like you can't even say it's easier for one gender over the other because, it's up to looks, at the end of the day, there's attractive men when you sleep around and there's attractive women well, okay.
	So look, just to be clear.
	I'm not saying that there's zero men who are sluts.
	That's not even my argument.
	Uh, there's that.
	There absolutely are men who can sleep with a bunch of women.
	I'm not.
	This is not what i'm disputing.
	And then I think men, either if they're really good looking, they can do this.
	If they have like exceptional, top tier uh charisma or personality, they can do it.
	If they're like well, if they're super wealthy but they're a dork, it's probably still gonna be a little hard.
	But, like if they're super rich, they might help.
	And then, if uh status yeah, like she said, status celebrity, so like a professional athlete, a musician, an actor uh, these men, even if they're not really that good looking or they don't have great personalities or whatever uh, although sometimes status tends to give the aura or the halo of of uh charisma, even if there's not actually any there, but um, but yeah.
	So those are the, those are the scenarios in which men can be sluts, so to speak.
	But I don't think uh, most men fall into those categories.
	Most men don't fall into those categories.
	So the reality is you can take here look, you can take a woman who's average looking, who's got a terrible personality, no personality, terrible personality.
	She has zero status, she has no uh fame, she has no money, she's not, she doesn't have any of these things.
	She could hop on tinder and sleep with three guys a day if she wanted to.
	Most women don't want to do that, but if they uh, if she, she could is what i'm trying to get at whereas like, most men just can't do that.
	Possibly you mean physically, i'm sorry, what do you mean physically?
	You mean they can't do that physically?
	No, what i'm saying is they're like on the apps they're not getting.
	Why can't they do it even with like uh?
	So there's, there's a degree of effort too.
	Right, like a guy who's really good looking but he stays inside all the time and doesn't communicate With women, but otherwise could get laid, isn't gonna get laid.
	So there is a degree of effort that's involved, but I would argue, like, an average-looking guy, even if he's like putting in like a really good faith effort, like he spends three hours a day on dating apps.
	He spends another hour or two messaging back and forth with different women.
	It's he's not gonna get laid every single day.
	Whereas a woman, I think you could get on a dating, you could spend about an hour on the dating app, do some messaging.
	You could fuck three dudes in a day.
	And I think us women see it completely for me anyway.
	I see the completely opposite.
	I was on like every app there was, and I got a lot of play, especially as like a masculine presenting person.
	But I think it was because I was a more masculine presenting person that I got so much play.
	So for me, I would definitely say that if I was biologically male, it would be so much easier for me to swipe right and link up than it would be for, because then, like he said, women have periods, but yeah, I mean, we just try that.
	I have been able to.
	Going to you, though, have you been on dating apps at all?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	How many guys do you swipe no on the dating apps?
	I don't know.
	I haven't been on recently, but quite a few.
	Quite a few.
	Like what percentage of if there's a hundred guys, how many did you say no to?
	Probably like 60-40.
	60-40.
	Okay, but how many of okay, so how many of those guys do you meet up with?
	Two.
	You've only met up with two.
	Okay.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Of all the men that you've wanted to sleep with, did you sleep with them?
	No.
	Okay, what's the rejection rate?
	So just to be clear, so you offered essentially not super, I'm not necessarily suggesting super directly, but you offered to the guy basically, here's some pussy.
	You gave it to him on a silver platter and he's like, no.
	It's not always been the case, but it's been more or less like, I don't know.
	In my experience, it's been, I've been willing to, but then it's just like the personality is just, I don't know how to explain the guy's personality.
	It's like, it's making Brian's point.
	It's not good.
	And then it just makes me like.
	Wait, you were willing to have sex in general, but that specific guy, well, I mean, I think we're all willing in general to have sex with people.
	But yeah, of course, so you're saying, well, that's just a rejection then.
	I mean, but so, okay.
	And but you were saying that wait, I'm just confused.
	So, okay, of the men that you've offered sex to, were you turned down?
	One time, yeah.
	But just to be clear, I'm not saying like you had a boyfriend, and one time he was sick and he didn't want to have sex that one time.
	I'm just down before, yeah.
	You've been rejected.
	Okay.
	How many guys have you turned down for sex?
	For sex?
	I don't really have.
	Well, I have a way to maybe demonstrate this that everybody will agree with.
	I call it the flasher hypothetical.
	It works like this.
	It works like this.
	We'll take a 25-year-old random man, 25-year-old random woman.
	They have an overcoat on and nothing underneath.
	And they're flashing people in a random Walmart parking lot.
	And what they do is they open up the overcoat and they say, Hey, you want to go have sex?
	What the fuck?
	Tell me which one, man or woman, is going to have sex almost immediately versus the other one, man or woman?
	Who I would have sex?
	No, no, no.
	Who any person in general normally would?
	Probably a woman.
	Okay, next.
	I definitely say a woman.
	Next.
	Oh, yeah.
	Next.
	Next.
	I'm kind of confused on the question.
	Woman.
	Woman.
	Okay, that's the end of that then.
	Right, done.
	That's the end of the day.
	Done.
	To bring it back to this, though, the whole thing was, is like, okay, why is there this double standard where men are kind of exalted for their promiscuity, not by all people, but by, you know, some group of men.
	Whereas women are almost kind of universally looked down upon if they're promiscuous.
	It really just comes down to the impressiveness of the achievement.
	I think to some degree, it's incredibly easy for women to get laid.
	Whereas for men, there's some degree of skill and complexity in order to achieve that.
	So for like, as a woman, you don't need skill to get laid.
	By the way, as demonstrated by our hypothetical.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	As demonstrated by our hypothetical.
	Go ahead.
	I don't know.
	I've seen some pretty grimy, not, I don't know how to explain it.
	Just some grimy guys, men able to get laid easily.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	There's a guy who actually spread ACDs around a school in my town because he was just sleeping around.
	Well, was he grimy?
	And there's going to be lots of other men who were around him who are like, how did you do that?
	Just in general.
	But if a woman's doing that, there's no women around who are like, how did you do that?
	They all know how she did that.
	She just offered it up and men were like, sure.
	Yeah.
	Simple.
	So it kind of comes down to like a skill thing.
	Like, oh, you didn't even have to work for it.
	So it's not.
	So men are just, are they angrier then?
	Are some men angry?
	No.
	No.
	Or just that they're like, damn, I want to be able to have sex more, but women get to do it easily.
	Let me, I guess, I wouldn't be either of those things.
	I posed this question to you.
	I guess going around the table.
	Of the men that you've had sex with, or well, of the men that you wanted to have sex with, and let's be reasonable here, like you probably wanted to have sex with some like really attractive celebrity, but he's not in your, he's not in your orbit, really.
	I'm talking about men you have like in-person.
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck is going on here?
	What the fuck is going on here?
	What is what is this?
	What is this?
	What happened?
	Yeah, well, you said like celebrity.
	And then I look over, she's beat red and giggling.
	She's beat red.
	Okay, so spill it, spill the beans.
	I'm in filmmaking.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Why are they making your life?
	Was it Jared Leto?
	No.
	But I have friends that know him.
	Did you say ooh?
	No.
	Oh.
	She said.
	I mean, was there a Leto connection?
	No, not from, I know people that know him and that are, no, that would be great.
	Spill the beans.
	No.
	I'm on, I see some of these people more on the red.
	Spill the beans.
	Your face was bright.
	It was bright red.
	Okay.
	Spill the beans.
	No, he didn't get to finish his sentence.
	That's obfuscation.
	Don't let her obfuscate.
	Spill the beans.
	Yeah, you were in the middle of saying something.
	Here, why don't we do this?
	Was it an athlete, musician, or actor?
	A-list?
	Yes.
	Leo?
	Nah.
	I was actually, I used to be.
	Leo's great.
	No, not Leo and Knight, but I've met Leo a couple times.
	No, Leo's great.
	I met him a couple times.
	I really liked him.
	Please don't take this offensively.
	Or don't take offense to this.
	You're probably too old for Leo.
	I think so.
	I think that's what happened.
	No, I think that's what happened.
	I think that's the end of the day.
	The only date's like 20 under 25 or whatever.
	And that's okay.
	I'm okay with being too old for that.
	We're going to read a couple chats, but we can come back to the convo in a bit.
	We got four.
	It looks like Lucas.
	Yes, there are double standards.
	It just is.
	Trust me, there are double standards that go the other way.
	When I turned 18, this is Lucas, by the way.
	I signed up with Selective.
	I'm pretty sure.
	Selective Service, you didn't.
	When the Titanic goes, and he's going to continue here.
	Thank you, Lucas.
	Appreciate it.
	Two.
	Titanic goes down.
	You get whisked away to the lifeboat.
	I hang out and listen to the chamber orchestra.
	If we each go to the new trendy club, and for those who don't know the reference, when the Titanic was going down, the Symphony Orchestra was playing.
	They're women, they've all seen the Titanic.
	I don't know.
	I had it when it was like a moment.
	If we each go to the new trendy club, you get in right away without paying cover.
	I wait in line like a schmuck for hours, only get in if I'm lucky, and still pay the $100 cover.
	When the beaches of Normandy needed storming, a bunch of 18-year-old boys were sent off to do the storming while you stayed back and played Rosie the Riveter.
	Double standards are simply part and parcel of the complementary yet contrasting reproductive strategy.
	I don't think they're complimentary ultimately.
	I think that there's one's dominant and the other's not dominant.
	I don't even think it's complimentary.
	I won't even give it complimentarian status.
	I'm just unwilling to do that.
	I have better arguments for why it's not complimentary.
	Dude, I know who it was.
	Carrot Top.
	Oh my God.
	No.
	What?
	You definitely did Carrot Top.
	You know what?
	Listen, no, but would you do Carrot Top?
	Who's Carrot Top?
	Oh, he's not as like.
	He's like 18 or 19.
	She would Carrot Top, dude.
	I don't.
	Is he still out and relevant?
	Or I don't know if he's done any comedy things lately.
	He draws his fucking eyebrows in.
	I mean, come on.
	Oh, we have a message here from Andrew's wife.
	This is Rachel Wilson, Andrew's wife.
	The hormonal roller coaster is real.
	Andrew is right.
	Sometimes I just need a nap and I'm being hysterical.
	Women need to understand this so they don't blow up their lives because of mood swings.
	You've got a big face on this.
	Do you want to?
	What do you think about a comment from Andrew's wife?
	What do you think there?
	Wow, she can accept it.
	That's why she is his wife.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	I mean, you could just kind of lie and pretend that that doesn't happen with women, but it fucking happens with women.
	And if you talk to every man who's been in a relationship with a woman, they all have seen this time and time and time again.
	Where it's like, how come my normally rational and pretty reasonable, significant other has just lost her fucking mind?
	And by the way, they actually, and this is something a lot of men won't tell you.
	A lot of men take preparation.
	They have preparations for this event.
	They actually like a survival kit, like a fucking survival kit in their home, like a first aid kit, like a flare kit.
	If you're stuck on the side of the road, they have a preparation strategy where they're like, here's what happens when this thing happens.
	I'm ready for it.
	Bam, bam, bam.
	They have it all in place.
	You think I'm crazy?
	There's going to be men in the chat right now who are telling you.
	I'm telling you, they're going to be like, yep, I'm ready.
	I'm ready.
	I'm ready.
	I kind of love this just because it's like all we're asking for is some understanding.
	I'm not saying I'm being rational on that one month.
	Sometimes I'm extra sleepy.
	It's like I'm in a coma, or it could be the opposite.
	So I'm not saying I need you to lie to me.
	Just understand that if I'm losing my mind in this moment, how do you differentiate between when a woman's being hysterical to you and when she actually genuinely does need you?
	Here's the thing that's really interesting about delusion.
	The thing, and it is, it is, well, hang on.
	It is a form of delusion.
	I'll explain.
	If you have a rush of hormones you would not normally have, right?
	It can make you crazy.
	You could do this with any human being on planet Earth.
	You could perhaps take a man, right, and rush him with all sorts of like positive male hormones and they go fucking berserko, right?
	And, you know, possibly rip doors off handles, do crazy shit like that.
	The thing about delusion, which is so interesting, is that the person who's deluded doesn't know they're deluded.
	So you can't actually rationally, reasonably.
	But how do you as her husband know when she's being delusional versus when she's like genuinely well just like I've been with her for years and years and years.
	But what about as someone who's in a new marriage, let's say, or a new relationship?
	Well, it's not hard to detect, usually for most men that like, wow, this person was really cool 24 hours ago and now they've lost their fucking mind.
	That's really weird.
	And they continue.
	And then, wait, four days later, they seem like they haven't lost their fucking mind anymore.
	That's really odd.
	But I think like as the woman who's going through something that you might consider delusional and maybe she in the back of her mind does know realistically this is not something to blow up about.
	It's about having like a partner who understands.
	They do blow up about it though.
	Who?
	That's the problem with the delusion, right?
	It's like if you're in the delusion, you don't know how bad you are.
	No, I know, but eventually you cool off.
	It's like having a partner who has the empathy to ride with you through that rollercoaster of emotion.
	Because what you're saying is...
	How is that empathetic?
	The empathy...
	They empathy.
	Because of something you said hormonal that you can't even.
	The empathy the other direction should be like, look, I'm literally a Jekyll and Hyde.
	And when I turn into fucking Hyde, I want you to be empathetic.
	It's like, what the fuck is that?
	No.
	When you turn into Hyde, when you become the monster, right?
	From Dr. Jekyll.
	It's like the best empathy they have.
	You can kill on purpose to make it happen.
	It doesn't matter.
	It doesn't matter why you turn into Hyde.
	It doesn't matter why you turn into Hyde.
	It just matters that you do.
	Well, sometimes it does matter.
	Like if your wife, for example, is drinking heavily and she turns into Jekyll because of her drinking, that's a choice.
	But to have a period, it's not a woman's choice to have.
	Yeah, but what would a man do in most situations?
	Same thing.
	Be like, well, you got to stop drinking so you don't turn into Hyde, right?
	You can't stop having a period.
	Right.
	But here's the thing that's interesting about that, right?
	You can't stop that.
	But it's actually maximum empathy for a man to be like, look, you don't get to treat me like shit, even if you can't help it.
	I get nothing to do with that.
	That's fucking bullshit.
	I'm not going to treat anyone like shit.
	That's not going to be bullshit.
	There's boundaries.
	There's levels to it.
	But if the woman's not name-calling, she's not, you know, throwing things, she's not being extremely hysterical.
	No, that's not it.
	That's not it.
	There's a spectrum to it.
	No, That's not just it.
	It also is like, you might not be making rational decisions, even if you're being nice to me, that you normally would make.
	You know what I mean?
	Things like that.
	It's not just a matter of like, you need to still be nice to me even when you turn into Hyde.
	It's also you're not allowed to make like big, big financial decisions, big decisions about this.
	You're not allowed to like, I don't know, embarrass me at a fucking party or something.
	Like you're not allowed to do that.
	Even having boundaries around those things.
	I just would hope that, you know, since you're married to a woman who can't help but have those things happen to her each month, that you would have some empathy for her situation that she's not choosing to turn into the Jekyll.
	But don't you understand?
	Like the biggest amount of empathy is exactly the idea of like, I'm still going to listen to you because I know, right?
	Somewhere in me, I know that this is not, even though I can't quite detect it, like most women can't, they don't know when they're in it, that they're in it, right?
	Even though they kind of do, right?
	They kind of do.
	They can't.
	In the moment, it's hard.
	Right, exactly.
	Yeah, it's hard to admit, and it's even hard to like deal with, right?
	So is it the best thing to do from the empathetic level to deal with a rational person guiding you through that?
	To be like, look, you're out of control.
	Stop.
	And you actually listen.
	Like, imagine that.
	Yeah, no.
	I think it works both ways too.
	Yeah.
	Having a good partner that has your back like that.
	Got to move on just a little bit here.
	I did want to come back just for a moment before we have to do a couple chats here.
	Just going around the table, when I was talking about, well, it's with a double standard, well, it's easier for women to get laid, harder for men to get laid.
	Do you guys agree with that?
	I think it's easier for women to get laid for sure, especially with the apps.
	Yeah, agree.
	I agree.
	Disagree.
	Agreed.
	You disagree?
	I agree that I understand why it's considered a achievement for men to have more body count, but it doesn't explain why it's despised that women have more body count.
	It's like a different thing.
	We kind of talked about it, but I think Andrew got into it with, did you bring up paternity uncertainty or they find it revolting?
	It's a matter of revulsion.
	So men find it more revolting than women.
	Right, she was asking why.
	Literally find it more revolting.
	So like, I mean, at its root, you're asking a fine question.
	So you're saying, okay, I get it, that there's a higher achievement, right?
	A higher achievement level.
	That's why men would honor that over a woman who has a no achievement level because she can just open her legs and 100 men will run in, right?
	But what about the revulsion level?
	If one sex is less revolted by an activity than another sex, right?
	How do you reconcile that?
	Like, what do you do about that?
	Revolting, meaning disgusting.
	Yeah.
	They just find it more disgusting than the other sex does.
	You mean men find that more revolting?
	They find it more disgusting when women have a higher body count than women find it disgusting when men do.
	Why is this so?
	I think it's rooted.
	It's more of like a cultural thing.
	I don't think it's cultural.
	I actually have something really good on this.
	Would you agree that women will find physical weakness in men as less attractive than men finding physical weakness in women?
	Does that make sense?
	No.
	So, okay, when he calls it.
	Okay, he asked it wrong.
	Well, okay, the trait of physical weakness.
	Men are going to be very forgiving of physical weakness in women.
	However, maybe prefer it.
	Sometimes whereas I think physical, like demonstrable physical, like imagine a five-pound weight and the guy's like struggling to lift a five-pound weight or something like that.
	I know that's an extreme example, but women are going to find physical weakness, I think, much more unattractive than men.
	Does that make sense?
	It depends on the person.
	Because I know women who love lanky boys.
	There's no example you could ever give about anything on planet Earth where we couldn't say it depends on the person.
	We could talk about it.
	We could talk about murder.
	We could talk about theft.
	We could talk about the most immortal.
	We could talk about incest.
	It depends on the person.
	Doesn't actually help us with this, right?
	If we're looking at it from a social scale, we would have to look at it at the social scale of how these sexes generally seem to respond to this.
	Is it the case that generally speaking, at least in all of your experiences, you would definitely prefer to have a man who is at least stronger than you?
	I mean, that depends.
	We're in 2025, so you're not building me a house.
	You're not building me a hut.
	You're not fighting off saber-toothed tigers.
	Yeah, but all of you.
	But all of those same reasons, like the building the hut and the fighting off the sabertooth tiger and this and that, would be rudimentary why it was that women were attracted to that to begin with.
	Yeah.
	It's built in biologically.
	You still have tribes where there was women that were the warriors too.
	I know you can do that this, that, this, that.
	Not really, but even then it really wasn't.
	So even with trips out of the warriors that were women, but that's, yeah, and weakness and all of these things.
	There really wasn't that many tribes where there was women's.
	I didn't say there was that many.
	I just said that there was.
	Don't think so.
	It's dubious.
	It is very, the anthropological evidence is very dubious.
	Jungle's jungle back again.
	10,000 is a little bit more than a little bit more than that.
	Pizza, no pineapple.
	Brian, is this a pizza pop?
	Wait, jungle, is this a pizza pop instead of a champagne pop?
	It's a pizza pot.
	It's a pizza pop.
	Pizza population.
	Girls want to eat too.
	Why are the guys all the time?
	I'll order pizza for the table.
	We'll do a little pizza.
	Am I the only one that likes pineapple and pizza?
	I'm just trying to share it.
	Don't even say that around the table.
	Oh, yeah.
	No pineapple on the page.
	My wife loves it too, but that's how I know that Satan is involved.
	There's a little bit of Satan in there somewhere.
	Somewhere.
	Does that make sense at all?
	Or no?
	So you're talking about biology.
	Like if she's a virgin, you're sure that's your kid.
	Are you talking about that?
	Well, yeah, in that case, but he gave the different example.
	If it is the case that women are generally attracted to men who are strong.
	Yeah, so this is like biology or like evolution, right?
	Like if we're talking about evolution.
	Well, in this case, we're just talking about even if you didn't know anything about evolution, you knew nothing about it.
	Let's just pretend you knew nothing.
	It didn't even exist.
	You would still at least observe that men or women were attracted to men who were strong.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you can at least observe that.
	You don't even need an evolutionary explanation.
	You can at least observe it.
	And that men generally aren't attracted to women who are stronger than them, right?
	So you mean it's natural.
	Well, just observable.
	You would at least observe that that is the case, right?
	So, but like you give this example.
	Yeah, I need you to answer the question.
	I see that you're kind of like not answering the question.
	Is that observable or not?
	Observable that women prefer strong women.
	Men.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you can observe that that is the case.
	Okay, got it.
	And then you can observe the counter that men don't seem to prefer particularly strong women.
	It's not a preference they have.
	So when they're looking for women, they're not like, oh, the fact that she can really lift up heavy shit is a big deal for them, right?
	You can observe that, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, great.
	So what Brian's point was, is like, if that's the case, we're talking about the distinction of observation in the intersexual dynamic and in the interpersonal dynamic.
	What were you moving it into?
	From the attraction portion?
	Sorry, it already slips my mind.
	Yeah.
	I just went through that whole fucking thing.
	He's on pizza.
	I was moving on.
	Well, no, we were.
	When it came to the disgust thing, right?
	Oh, yeah, the disgust thing.
	It would be the same thing.
	It would just be like, if it is the idea that if like really masculine women, meaning they were stronger than the men, disgusted men, or really weak men disgusted women, is that like a double standard?
	I maybe have something.
	Are there anything when it comes to, for a guy you're thinking about dating, are there any behaviors or traits that you might find disgusting?
	Being not clean.
	Okay, well, I think that could go both ways, but that's fair, certainly.
	But are there any things maybe specifically related to this guy?
	Jungle.
	Okay, hold on.
	This guy.
	Pizza, bro.
	And he's getting me a burrito.
	$10,000.
	Pop champagne.
	This guy's a giga chat, dude.
	Holy shit.
	You can guess what you're doing.
	You're welcome, Brian.
	Thank you, man.
	You're fucking welcome, Brian.
	If the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow.
	He's a bow fan.
	He's a bow fan in the bow enjoyer.
	Really quick.
	Wait.
	This is a great question.
	If the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him.
	We have to play the bow video.
	I'm going to get on the here.
	Let me write down the front.
	Hold on.
	Wait.
	Jungle, you're a legend, sir.
	Pizza, I gotta also, I got he's get if he gets fucking pineapple pizza, you're going off the balcony.
	What do you want?
	You want pineapple?
	You want pepperoni.
	Pepperoni.
	Right off the balcony.
	You want pepperoni?
	Pepperon.
	And he did a burrito pop, too.
	So we'll pull up the bow video in just a sec, then we'll ask them the question.
	I really quick just wanted to finish up on this.
	Anything like gender specific when it comes to disgust?
	I'm only thinking about pizza and burrito.
	Like, how about this, maybe?
	Like, would you date?
	Are you typically attracted to men who are like shorter than you?
	No.
	No.
	Okay, so that would be a bit of an example.
	It's kind of related to the ick.
	You guys all get the ick when it comes to guys' stuff.
	You explain the paternity uncertainty, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay, last thing I go.
	I mean, it just comes down to the ick.
	Yeah.
	It comes down to the ick.
	It just comes down to preference and ick.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why that's.
	Christopher, thank you for the 20 gift time.
	It comes down to the ick.
	They get the ick.
	I have a quick test.
	Do you guys get the ick?
	Yeah, yeah, guys get the ick.
	I have a really quick test before we get into the bow video on the like the whole like easier to get sex thing because you had some disputes about it.
	It sounded like you maybe had some disputes.
	I don't know.
	So here, we can test this out really easy.
	Let's do this.
	How do we you gave the example of the coat flasher guy?
	Yeah, I call it the flasher hypothetical.
	The flasher hypothetical.
	Here, we're going to do it like I don't want to do this.
	Are you pulling up?
	Oh, no, I'll just, I'll do, we'll do a real easy test.
	We'll go.
	What the fuck?
	Here.
	Gabrielle, after the show tonight, would you like to have sex with me?
	No.
	I'm sorry, I forgot you're not.
	I'm not.
	Nameless woman.
	I forgot you.
	This is the best way to proposition a woman for sex, by the way.
	Not knowing her name.
	That's the no.
	Thank you.
	Excuse me, lady.
	Would you like to have sex after the show tonight?
	I'm good.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Would you, you've been celibate for like three years or something.
	Would you like to have sex after the show tonight?
	No.
	Oh, see, you've just been offered sex on a silver platter.
	You turn it down.
	But wait, there are also guys.
	Hold on.
	More to it.
	We're also on a public forum.
	What if one of us wants to, but doesn't want everybody to be able to.
	No, wait a second.
	So you guys are lying.
	Wait, we're in it.
	I'm not a sample advocate because I've been in situations.
	So you guys are lying and you do want to have sex with Brian.
	Maybe I don't want a thousand.
	I knew it.
	I knew it.
	I still have a chance.
	But even if that's a chance, wouldn't that make his point that like if any of you said yes, he looks like a fucking king, right?
	But if after, if after the fact you're like, actually, Brian, you know what?
	I actually do kind of want to like, you know, do this thing with you, right?
	After the fact, isn't it because you feel like you're devalued if right now you said yes?
	Well, no, what if you're just a private person?
	Yeah, a private person.
	Why?
	Like, if they were going to get some like esteem boost from that or like some crowns for that, wouldn't she be like, yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	Not if we knew that as a heterosexual, which I'm not.
	Like for these ladies sitting here, if they said yes to that question to one of you guys, you should.
	Maybe they should.
	And maybe they want to, you know, but then when they leave here, the other guys who may think like y'all will then devalue them because they're not.
	But that's the whole point.
	Yeah.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	Like you literally hit the nail on the head, right?
	So the whole point would be he gets the crowns if they say yes.
	They get the shame if they say yes.
	So like, what if after the show we could make some like little arrangement or something like this, right?
	But in this case, you don't get the shame portion, right?
	Isn't that the thing?
	And whoever does have sex with me after the show, that's your last body.
	Like we're getting married.
	So you're not saying that.
	Wait.
	And it is kind of like, I think there's someone who doesn't really believe in marriage.
	Am I wrong?
	Well, first of all, the question is, someone husband that man up.
	Just to be clear.
	I'm going to see this now.
	You're all fucking.
	All of you.
	Oh, fucking degenerates.
	All of you fuckers are degenerates.
	Every one of you fucking DJs.
	Just to be clear, I wasn't genuinely propositioning you guys here.
	This was for the Brian Raw.
	Wait, now they're upset.
	Now they're dead.
	What the fuck?
	Now they got it.
	What the fuck?
	How dare you say no?
	How dare you say no, Brian?
	Pizza.
	They're like, shit, maybe I should.
	Maybe I should say yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Supply and demand.
	He was like, shit.
	Damn, it's crazy.
	Okay, I need to get on this pizza.
	And she started it.
	She was like, well, but Brian, what if after the show it's the case?
	No, just saying.
	Just saying.
	Just saying.
	Yeah.
	But yeah.
	Just don't feel uncomfortable for the rest of the show being like, did that guy just try to fuck me?
	No, it's just for the sake of the, you know, the what would that be?
	A rhetorical solicitation of sex?
	Talking to Jed.
	No, it was a rhetorical solicitation of sex.
	This is great.
	All right.
	We have, I was rhetorically asking for sex.
	For the purpose of demonstration.
	Like demonstrating.
	Like a rhetorical question.
	Yeah, I was trying to demonstrate an argument.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	To make a point.
	Yeah.
	Because like next time you should make it more extreme.
	You should be like, hey, will you give me a blowjob after the show?
	You should just like take it one step to the next.
	You know what I mean?
	She's more than sex.
	Just like, oh, she won't have sex, but maybe a lot of people have to do it.
	Yeah, maybe a blowjob.
	He doesn't count.
	But that's what I mean.
	It's like, he could just keep going through them, bro.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to make out?
	Maybe you should go back.
	Well, how about a makeup session?
	We'll just take a blowjob.
	You don't want to kiss me, but you don't.
	The real rhetorical win here would be if they offered, now they were like, well, Brian, would you like some pussy after the show?
	Yeah.
	Hang on, but Brian, let me ask you this.
	Yeah.
	Would you believe them?
	Probably not.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, if it.
	Well, I can't really.
	Is it really a rhetorical win then?
	Would you take it?
	Wait, now I'm getting confused.
	Yeah.
	Now I'm just confused.
	He's not confused.
	Women are awesome.
	All right, pizza.
	Gotta do a couple super chats.
	Pizza.
	Christopher Murky, Murky.
	Murphy.
	Thank you for the gifted 20, and you sent it in twice.
	Thank you for the 40, man.
	I feel like he keeps it.
	You're a legend.
	But what about six?
	I've seen it a few times.
	Yeah.
	Oh, what about six?
	What about the grift, Christopher?
	Pacy George, yeah, send in an ice cream pop.
	Only Brian and Andrew can eat.
	Oh my god, this is great.
	Here's the thing.
	No.
	Is anybody who does a pop?
	I'm going to make this new rule.
	If you can actually specify in your pop in your messages, whether champagne, pizza, I guess it's too late now for some of you who did it previously.
	If you want to single out somebody to not get champagne, like they're, if you're doing a champagne pop and you're like, ah, chair two is annoying me.
	They don't get champagne.
	You can you can specify.
	So Pacy George, if you want to preclude someone from having ice cream, you can do so.
	But this is the second super chat you sent about an ice cream pop.
	So you better, you better, what you better pop that fucking ice cream, George.
	What's the word, though, for saddle up?
	No.
	Is saddle up?
	I don't say saddle up.
	Saddle up.
	I don't say saddle up.
	Saddle up.
	He can do it.
	You can bring it back.
	Coco.
	You can't bring it back.
	You could do it.
	Thank you for the thought.
	Look at him.
	We got it.
	We have Chef Dylan, chair two.
	That's for you.
	What are the five mother sauces?
	Oh my goodness.
	I've had at least five things of champagne right now, so I'm not quite sure.
	Oh, you haven't had that much.
	No way.
	For me, no idea right now.
	What is mother sauce?
	Is that like a.
	Yeah, oh, well, there's like five sauces for cooking that are like the safest one on that.
	What's another 20?
	All right.
	There's some chats from Lucas.
	Is Worshire sauce one of those sauces?
	It is not.
	It's pronounced incorrectly.
	Not a fan.
	I think Worcestershire.
	Yeah, what's this here sauce?
	What's this hair sauce?
	Thank you, Christopher.
	Appreciate it.
	All right, we have a bunch of chats from Lucas here that I'm going to get through.
	We have Lucas.
	Can we please, oh, remind me, the bow video for our good friend Jungle.
	Can we please, for once and for all, stick a fork in this blank slate social constructionist theory.
	Men have been since time immemorial and will continue to be viscerally and subconsciously revolted by promiscuity in women.
	This has been settled science for decades.
	And it was also settled even before the scientific method was even introduced as a method.
	Right.
	This was something which was a matter of law prescribed by almost all societies globally because he's exactly right.
	It is a social constructionist theory, this idea that this doesn't exist, blank slate theory, that we have no preferences that are ingrained in us for the purposes of being revolted.
	He's totally right.
	Yeah.
	No, a lot of us have said it is primal.
	Like, that's a thing.
	It's just, I think some of us were asking why.
	We were trying to get deeper on why.
	Like, every time I ever asked someone, why is it revolting?
	Yeah, we keep going back to that meeting.
	It is.
	Oh, she's a hoe.
	That's the default.
	I feel like I gave you actually.
	No, no, no.
	Yeah, I'm understanding.
	I'm just saying that that's why.
	And by the way, Lucas, Lucas is totally right.
	You already know.
	We already agreed.
	Mostly, by the way, totally right, except for me.
	I'm totally right more than you, Lucas.
	But other than me, Lucas, you're the most right.
	Lucas has some continuations, Jungle.
	I'll get to it once I get through all of Lucas's continuations.
	Jungle's.
	Who is this guy?
	Jungle F. What does the F stand for?
	Brian, what?
	Favor.
	He's trying.
	You know, the Crucible likes to support the channels that support the Crucible, Brian.
	I'm grateful.
	Yeah, that's true.
	When I say who is this guy, I'm like, this guy's a fucking legend.
	He is a fucking legend.
	He's a fucking.
	Here, let me play this thing for him.
	He's a brave and a decent man.
	Oh, my God.
	He's a brave.
	What does the F stand for?
	Favor.
	Jungle fever.
	Fever.
	It has to be jungle.
	What if it's jungle?
	Fuck you.
	What if it's jungle fallopian tube?
	Wow.
	Oh, there it is.
	Yep.
	I mean, just, I think I could be.
	I think you're right.
	It's possible.
	Lucas, too.
	This isn't the hill to die on.
	You're not changing fully entrenched preference.
	Likewise, don't hearken to evolution as to why this primordial aversion to promiscuity should no longer apply since we are now enlightened beyond our primitive continued three.
	Oh, it's an incontrovertible fact that almost all animals, including humans, have not changed, i.e., evolved in the last 200,000 years beyond a de minimis.
	Oh my God, this guy is on fire.
	You're Lucas, you're on fire with the words.
	The thesaurus has been brought out.
	Minimal local adaptation.
	I think it's like what?
	He's googling.
	Oh, God.
	De minimis.
	That's a legal term, by the way.
	Well done, Lucas.
	He's an attorney, a very powerful attorney.
	Chat, if you need an attorney, if you need an attorney in New York City, he's your guy.
	Okay, minimal local adaptation.
	Why are we doing the voice?
	I don't know.
	I know.
	I kind of like it.
	Yeah.
	Evolution literally takes millions of years.
	Chair three, as a male dating coach, I recommend against trying to convince men, at least conservative men, they should look past body count.
	Otherwise, you're looking at an incredibly short foray.
	As a men's dating coach, of course, if you're advising simp liberal soy boys, then disregard and godspeed to you.
	Well, he makes two really good points.
	Let me respond to both of them real quick.
	The first great point he makes is right at the end of it.
	Actually, progressives utilize feminism and utilize female promiscuity as a mating strategy.
	They actually do.
	They are the ones you'll see at the forefront promoting OF and promoting all of the female promiscuity they possibly can.
	Which men are you saying?
	Progressive liberal men.
	Progressive liberal.
	Instead of like conservative, traditional men, progressive men tend to do this because it's a much better mating strategy for them because they're pussies.
	Literally.
	It's because they're pussies.
	There's some men that really love a woman with a high country.
	Challenge any David.
	Yeah.
	Progressively.
	I mean, sure, with that one, yeah, but I've definitely noticed the, yeah, they're pussies.
	I just think if it's your preference, it's your preference.
	Whatever.
	The other point that he says is like, he's right.
	So the modern incarnation of humanity is only, what, 200 to 400,000 years old from an evolutionary standpoint, that's like meaningless.
	Yeah.
	It's like a drop in the bucket.
	Evolution takes millions of years for even gradual changes.
	So even if it were the case that this is the incarnation of humanity that's 400,000 years old, we have not gotten past this idea of like we're revolted by this for reasons.
	But it's interesting because a lot of us have already agreed that we already all came to it that we're like, oh, yeah, we know men have this revolting thing against women with high body counts.
	Got it.
	Move on.
	The next topic was why?
	And then we're like, why?
	Why are we?
	There was a lot of different questions.
	There were, but we wished it because we're trying to get a full fee understanding.
	Yeah, at least that's where.
	Now, the only thing that I do is I've said that there are people that like, I mean, women too, women can have a revolting thing against that too.
	You can absolutely have women that are like, I am revolted against a high body count, men or women.
	We're just looking at the idea of like, I would never dispute that.
	Yeah.
	I've known women who are like, absolutely not, like playboys, things like that, disgust them visibly.
	Yes.
	But generally speaking, if you're talking to a woman and you ask her the question I asked her, would you accept a man who has like a hundred body count if he fits all the other criteria?
	She said, yeah.
	But if you ask a man, but you ask the man the same question, would you accept a woman who meets all the criteria, but she has like a hundred body count?
	They say no.
	It's really important to ask.
	That's another question I have.
	What if I just don't want to know?
	I don't think it used to be as important, but I think it sure is important now because of trends.
	You think that the answer is really going to change that much depending on if the man's more conservative or more liberal?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So I think that the audience kind of shows that different men have different persons.
	100%.
	I've had men who are sitting right across from me who literally say, I prefer that my woman is certified pre-fucked.
	Okay, they've said it out loud.
	No, I've heard that.
	Yeah, they've said it out loud.
	And the reason is, is because they're like, you think I'm an ally, right?
	You like me now, right?
	I'm an ally for women's rights, right?
	And it's all a strategy to get.
	But those men are getting more women these days.
	Yeah, fucking women.
	Sometimes than some of the traditional guys.
	Shoot, if that's their tactic and that's what they want to do, more power to them.
	Let them live their best lives.
	You're not outright saying, I'm a Trump supporter.
	The men who showed up to the women's march and wore pussy hats on their head.
	Let me tell you something.
	Those are not guys who are getting a lot of pussy.
	I'm just going to say they're not the guys.
	I think it depends on their looks.
	Yeah, I mean, sure.
	Because remember, women don't care if it's a bad thing.
	If the guy who has good looks is the kind of guy who's going to show up and wear a pussy on his head.
	If the girl he's really into wants him to, maybe.
	No, no way.
	I think we've acknowledged that these preferences and stuff exist.
	I think for me, and just watching the younger side.
	This dude is definitely don't.
	Jungle threads.
	Okay, so we need $1,000 of champagne.
	Was there ice cream popping?
	Oh, a little bit.
	That's okay.
	I'm definitely not a hypocrite, even though I'm having pizza and ice cream right now.
	Fucking hypocrite.
	Okay, so we're gonna do pizza ice cream, and I have to get a burrito for me because he insisted on the burrito.
	Is there any way of doing gluten-free?
	That's so bad of you saying that.
	I know.
	I was waiting so long to say it.
	It's bad.
	I'll take the cheese.
	Nah, you just gotta.
	It's a preference.
	Gluten, gluten.
	Gluten is kind of poison, so I don't blame you.
	Yeah, it's not on purpose.
	Meat in general is such a bad gut irritant.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Have you tried it overseas or like in a different country?
	Anyways, we have a message here from Rachel Wilson.
	Liberal beta men are the only ones who see high body count in women as good because it signifies a willingness on her part to do anything with anyone, which is the only way they're going to get it.
	That's Andrew's totally agree.
	Thank you, Rachel.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, bow video.
	Okay, bow video.
	Then I'm going to get all the food situated.
	Mary, pull up the bow.
	Or should we wait?
	We got to wait until she's back from the bathroom.
	Okay.
	Here, while we're doing that, I'll read some of the pre-show notes.
	We got some stuff to get through.
	What the fuck was your Priscilla?
	What's that Priscilla voice, bro?
	Why are you Priscilla?
	Why are you Priscilla modding?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think I'm...
	Bruh.
	It's the champagne.
	It's the champagne.
	I like to do the Priscilla modding.
	I will do the next 10 minutes of the show.
	Prothilla.
	In a Prothilla voice.
	Oh, that would be great.
	We do a Crystal Pop.
	One Ethereum.
	One Ethereum.
	I'll do the Prothilla voice.
	You can do that for 10 minutes?
	I can do it for you.
	You could do it.
	Oh, you know how?
	He'll do it.
	But here's the thing.
	I'll hold him to the fire.
	You just got to shotgun questions at him so that he can't divert it to run the timeout.
	That's how we do it.
	That's how we do it.
	That's fair.
	Okay.
	That's fair.
	I like this.
	You don't ask me anything.
	This is fun.
	Yeah, you'll ask me anything.
	All right.
	Once she's back, we'll do the bow video, but we do have some other notes we're going to get into.
	Gabrielle, just curious, you got two lip piercings, right?
	Everybody's getting with the do anybody want a what is it called?
	Oh my god.
	I'm sorry, champagne.
	God damn, bro.
	I kind of like this.
	Okay, hold on.
	Let me gather my thoughts here through the alcohol.
	Hold on.
	An appetizer of, we have popsicles.
	Anybody?
	What kind are they?
	Fruit popsicles?
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Why not have them eat?
	All right, hook it up.
	I'll take one.
	I'm not allowed.
	Don't like.
	Do you want one?
	They told me I'm not allowed.
	Oh, my God.
	They told me I'm not allowed to do it.
	Wait, we got to do one at a, let's do one at a time so there's not like a amalgamation of like popsicle sucking sounds into the like so do one at a time did you want the popsicle okay get get her popsicle then when she finishes it's gotta be one by one I just can't have all of you doing the popsicle for like two at a time what's that it's the misophonia the what it's oh it's a thing people they get bothered by noises and Well, I don't mind.
	It's just the picks it up in the microphone, then they're going to murder me if they're like disgusting.
	Or if people are like, this is ASMP.
	Wait, so you have the two lip piercings.
	Do you have any other piercings?
	I have an eyebrow piercing and I have chest piercings.
	Chest.
	Okay, got it.
	Nipple piercings.
	Okay.
	And when did you get the lip piercings?
	I got them on my 16th birthday, so it's about to be three years, I think.
	Alright, what did your parents think?
	Were they on board?
	Yeah, my mom's the one who took me to get the mom?
	Yeah.
	She took you to get a bunch of people.
	Did she have piercing?
	Yeah, does she have she used to have like a nose piercing?
	My dad had a nose piercing.
	They're not really, they don't care that much.
	Their whole thing is like, it's you, what you do.
	It's whatever.
	Okay.
	How it affects you is how it's going to affect you.
	Let's see.
	And then you, if there's anything else in your notes here.
	Disagreements, but we'll get to those later.
	Let's see.
	Victoria.
	Who's Victoria?
	Was that the 30-minute late girl?
	Victoria?
	Oh, she, yeah, that's a no-go.
	That was another no-show.
	Joey?
	Oh, but you're up at the table.
	Okay.
	Natalie, going to you.
	You're a dating coach, a hypnotherapist, an author, and a producer.
	You didn't say you were a hypnotherapist in your intro.
	I didn't.
	I have a lot of things.
	I'm sorry.
	I did say it eventually.
	All right, can you hypnotize us all right now?
	No.
	Come on, do it.
	We should wait until Andrew's back.
	You're right.
	No, he knows.
	It's not like that.
	It's like a, what I do is I teach people how to, like, do a meditation where it's more somatic, where you can go back into a memory and reframe that memory so you're not as triggered by that memory anymore.
	That's really it.
	Not to make it as anticlimactic, but I don't do as much as the woo-woo stuff.
	All right, we have a chat here at Name Taken.
	Men are as disgusted by women with a high body count as women are disgusted by men with a huge Pokemon card collection.
	That's a lie.
	All right.
	Some girls like that.
	Listen, I forgot how to write a Pokemon card collection.
	I'm like, oh my gosh.
	Does the popsicle count as ice cream?
	Is that part, is that, am I being a goblin here?
	I think that might be a good one.
	I gotta wait until everybody's back at the table before I get into the, wait here, just hang at the table, unless you're, because I think Andrew's in the bathroom right now, so.
	So here, let's do the bow video while we have everybody at the table.
	This is going back to Jungle's question.
	So keep this in mind while you're watching this following video.
	The question is, if the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him, would you?
	Go ahead and play the video.
	No audio videos.
	It's fine.
	Go ahead.
	This is my ex-girlfriend, by the way.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Did you see that shit?
	She got rewarded.
	Huge bow.
	Huge bow.
	Giant bow.
	And then, you know, this is the rest.
	She's, you know, doing the whole hamper thing.
	This was after a long podcast shoot.
	I, you know, she had my dinner ready.
	She's got my beer ready.
	My noodles ready.
	I don't know what the fuck was in the left corner ready.
	Tomatoes ready.
	Whole tomatoes, right?
	Whole tomatoes ready.
	I actually dumped her because of that.
	And then get ready, play it again.
	We're just going to watch the bow part.
	By the way, while you're doing ordering, you got to order in some of those.
	Huge bow.
	Do you see the depth?
	Do you see the depth?
	That's a really good bow.
	I had to teach her that.
	Like, she tried to do, like, give me a half-assed bow.
	I had to say no.
	Full.
	Teacher?
	Full bow.
	Huh?
	Did you say teacher?
	Yes, that was my, also my, I was groomed.
	I don't know.
	You have to teach her.
	My bad.
	It took audio processing.
	So the question was: if the man of your dreams fits all your desires, asks you to bow for him.
	Don't ignore the other shit after the bow.
	Just the bow.
	Would you?
	I feel like the man of my dreams wouldn't want me to bow, but if for some reason he was on something and wanted it, sure.
	Sure.
	No, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Guidance doesn't bow to anyone, first of all.
	So no, but if I.
	Okay, let me hold on.
	Let me let me paint.
	Okay, so you said you like thick white women.
	That's right.
	So she's thicky icky.
	Racist.
	She's the thickest white girl you've ever.
	Why are your eyes?
	You're like, your eyes are closed and you're like picturing that shit.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	She's the guy.
	Thunderthighs.
	Thunder thighs.
	That's right.
	Thicky, icky.
	Fucking degeneracy nose.
	I'm trying to help her out.
	All right, all right.
	I like the picture you painted.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	And she's got, she's got.
	Do you like girls with like color in their hair?
	Oh, as long as they have beautiful hair.
	I don't care what color it is.
	Beautiful hair.
	Okay.
	You like preferably blondes?
	No, I actually don't like blondes.
	That's crazy, but I like brunettes or black hair.
	But if it was a blonde, would it be a disqualifier?
	I think it would.
	I mean, that's just for me.
	I'm not sure why.
	I'd be like, oh, you're a beautiful woman, but you're blonde.
	No way.
	Yeah, you got to have a lot more to back that blonde hair up.
	So, no to the bow, okay?
	Would you bow for your perfect guy?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I'll even kneel.
	You'll kneel.
	Oh, she's there.
	She went there.
	She went there.
	Wait, hold on.
	I got a place.
	Die of my dreams.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anything you want.
	That's awesome.
	Absolutely.
	Oh, yes.
	I feel like over the course of a couple of years, you have really driven this point home to the point where the answers are completely 180 from what they used to be.
	I have single-handedly shipped.
	So you brought the bow.
	Oh, boy.
	I brought the bow in, Brian.
	I've brought it in.
	Well, you know, we, it depends on the panel.
	This panel seems would you bow for your perfect man?
	Is it a one-time thing or do I have to do it every day?
	Every day.
	Every day, no.
	Every day.
	How about three times a week?
	That's a good deal.
	Perfect.
	Perfect guy.
	And he's not German.
	Because I don't know.
	You had some stupid.
	No, he can be less perfect, and I don't have to.
	The Asian chick won't bow.
	The Asian chick won't bow.
	She goes less perfect.
	The perfect guy?
	You wouldn't.
	The perfect guy.
	So, like.
	Yeah, I think this deal makes him less perfect already.
	But, but just one clarify.
	And Felicity, you would.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	I was doing the bow, bro.
	She's been having some relationship problems because she doesn't do the bow.
	No.
	She doesn't do the bow.
	There is no relationship problems.
	I'm just saying she should do the bow.
	So, okay.
	For you, though.
	Wait, you said no bow, no bow.
	That girl bows to me, sir.
	That doesn't.
	Okay, whatever.
	Wait, sir.
	I don't know how the lesbian relationships work, but I really like this kneel thing that I do.
	No, I'm like that too.
	Was that good?
	I think the kneel is better than the bow.
	Huh?
	I would.
	Sure, yes.
	Yeah, the kneel is better than the bow.
	The kneel is better than the bow.
	Because it's like kneeling on your knee, like proposing type.
	No, no, I think I need straight.
	I really feel like I need both knees.
	No, not a kneeling bow.
	Yeah, I feel like I need both knees.
	Not a kneeling bow, but you just do it on your chair.
	No, the knighting is the one kneeling.
	Oh my god, no, it's a kneel on the chair.
	What?
	On the chair?
	I was saying if she would kneel on the chairs.
	What the fuck?
	How do you kneel on a chair?
	I did not see you guys.
	You can do it.
	She doesn't, her legs wouldn't be pointing towards the back of the chair.
	She'd have to be, she'd have to change her orientation to do it, to kneel on the chair.
	What the fuck are you telling me?
	What do you kneel on a chest?
	What the fuck is that?
	Where's the Priscilla voice?
	Oh, she said on one knee.
	Oh, one knee or both knees.
	Oh, wait.
	No, no, baby knee.
	But that's so lower than kneeling.
	When you say kneel, are you saying kneel like you're on both your knees?
	No, because I can't get up right.
	Wait.
	Like a proposal, kneel?
	Like I'm going down on the bottom.
	Like a.
	That's what I was thinking.
	Like your fucking football club.
	All right, team.
	We are proposing.
	All right, team, take a kneel.
	Take a knee.
	I get it, though.
	I think both.
	It's got to be both.
	No, it's got to be both.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It has to.
	It has to be.
	No, the kneel.
	Really?
	I would do two no.
	Yeah, I would do the kneel for sure.
	Man of your dreams, kneel.
	It's got to be both.
	Man of a man.
	I'll say this.
	For the perfect woman, I'll do their sound.
	Ask the question: would y'all kneel to the girl of your dreams?
	That's what we wanted.
	That's right.
	For the perfect world.
	That's like doing the Black Lives Matter thing where you kneel.
	It's the same shit.
	You don't kneel for the perfect woman, dude.
	What?
	No, he said bow.
	Andrew.
	That's a whole it's a compromise.
	Right.
	Thank you.
	That's the most important thing in relationship is compromise.
	That's the only thing I'd compromise on.
	But it's a concrete charge.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	Are you doing it every day or just three days a week?
	Everything else is.
	But then again, are you in a relationship right now, Brian?
	I'm asexual.
	That doesn't mean you're not in a relationship.
	And a monk.
	I don't do that.
	But you're not bald.
	You wouldn't bow?
	No, I wouldn't kneel.
	I would bow.
	That's it.
	You know what?
	Fucking.
	The kneel's kind of weird, though.
	But if it's the bow, whatever.
	It's behind closed doors.
	No, no.
	Okay, but here's.
	Oh, and listen to this part.
	So here's the entailment of.
	Bow for the personality.
	Hold on.
	Here's the entailment of the.
	Here's the entailment.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	Never do.
	You could.
	There's.
	No, no way.
	They would never happen.
	Here's the entailment of the.
	Wait, Pasty, you are a little goblin, dude.
	You said you were going to do an ice cream pot.
	You fucking canada.
	This is obfuscation.
	This is fucking obfuscation.
	It's obfuscation.
	I'll debate you.
	The bow.
	I will debate you on the bottom.
	You're obfuscating.
	I'm going to debate you on the knee.
	Hold on.
	I just need to call pasty out because you said you would do an ice cream pop, and where is it at?
	Offiscation.
	Jungle ain't going to protect you.
	Jungle's not coming to help you out, buddy.
	Okay.
	Pelagic, Bebop, and Rocksteady.
	Okay, not sure what...
	Thank you, Pelagic.
	What is that?
	I don't know what that is.
	Okay.
	Is that an inside joke?
	No, it's not, but it just registered with me, and it is pretty funny.
	But the bow, the bow?
	The bow?
	Oh.
	Okay.
	The bow.
	Exact angel threshold.
	Thank you, Spyround, for the messages.
	Every time I see them.
	These are great.
	It would have been worse.
	I'm not going to forget, Brian.
	Hold on.
	Like, I'm not going to forget, Brian, about this bow thing.
	Wait, I wrote down the notes in case Andrew.
	And you fucking challenged me on this shit.
	Hold on.
	I need my fucking response.
	What's it called when people have responses?
	A retort?
	Or a rebuttal?
	But a list of them?
	Wait, what is it?
	Fuck.
	Wait, oh man, I had my fucking, I had, oh.
	Oh, you know what, though, Gruber?
	You know, I just feel like we should.
	I'm going to change the subject.
	I just feel like we should change the subject.
	No, because you know you're about to get like BTFO'd on the battle.
	You're right.
	Let's do this.
	I just want to make sure that you know you insisted.
	Wait, hold on.
	You insisted, bro.
	You insisted.
	Hold on, we'll do it.
	We'll do it.
	But let me let me let these chats come through because I don't want to be a goblin.
	Yeah.
	Christopher Murphy, long live.
	Christopher Murphy, donate shop.
	Pull up.
	Long live Big Labia.
	Hey, guys, if you want to get a Big Labia Matter, a Big Labia Matter shirt, t-shirt, or hoodie, shop.whatever.com.
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	Thank you, Christopher Murphy, your legend, sir.
	We have Lucas here, and then we have Big Jungle F. Uh-oh.
	Hey, you didn't clarify, Jungle, what the F stands for, but he doesn't need to.
	No, I went there for the Mystique.
	Yeah.
	I feel like we know what that F stands for.
	Jungle Felipe.
	Jungle for Nick.
	It's that.
	It's Felipe.
	Jungle Fred would be so disappointing.
	Lucas, someone in the chat suggested that Andrew and I debate each other.
	If I had to handicap it, this is how it would go.
	I believe this, this, and that.
	Yep, I agree.
	I submit to you this.
	Jungle donated $1,000.
	Pop champagne.
	Chair five.
	You are dreaming of me.
	So technically, I am the man of your present dreams.
	Congratulations.
	When you bow after kneeling, you know, Jungle, you're kind of hoeing around on the crucible a little too much.
	You know, you're hoeing around a little too much here, Jungle.
	You know, I get the whole, you know, support the people who support, but geez.
	You know?
	How much is that, by the way, for Jungle?
	I think it's been six.
	Six thousand dollars.
	Six, cheers to you, Jungle.
	Speaking, I mean, hold on, Jungle.
	And retort to Andrew on this.
	Jungle.
	If you'd like, I'll arrange.
	Do you want to go on a date?
	I think he's, do you want to go on a date with Jungle?
	Yes.
	No.
	I'm sorry.
	Can we do a picture?
	No, he didn't like you anyway.
	Yeah, he didn't like you anyway.
	He was just messing around.
	It was a hypothetical.
	It was a rhetorical.
	Yeah, it was rhetorical.
	Brian had cracked this perfectly good joke, and I feel like you made it kind of weird there.
	Nope.
	I think you made it weird.
	I think not.
	I think you made it.
	I think you made it.
	It was definitely you.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, Pasty, you are a little goblin, Pasty.
	You just.
	Pasty.
	Should I do a champagne pub?
	Or ice cream pop, bro?
	Wait, what?
	Huh?
	Thank you, Andre.
	Okay, thank you guys for the super chats.
	Wait, let me find in my notes.
	Who the fuck is that, Sperg, dude?
	Who?
	I don't know.
	Whoever you guys are.
	I didn't see it.
	What's Spurging out?
	I didn't even read it.
	Oh, well.
	Oh, I'm just looking through a couple of things.
	Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, read 100 TTS 200.
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	By the way, thank you, Jungle.
	It's been awesome, man.
	Thank you for so many champagne pops.
	You've been fantastic this evening.
	Thank you.
	He's a brave and a decent.
	He's a pioneer.
	Thank you, dude.
	You're a legend.
	We need to, you know what?
	I feel like we got to give Jungle something.
	Jungle's amazing.
	How about you send Jungle like a whatever labia?
	Jungle's like, look.
	I got.
	Maybe he just wants like a whatever one instead.
	How about a big labia one?
	That's like very nice.
	How about both?
	Give them both of you.
	Okay.
	Yeah, give them baby.
	I'll do both.
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	But up.
	Okay.
	So, me and Andrew, we're going to debate, but I need to find all my notes here to just totally tell you, we should probably get into some of the show notes.
	It seems like you're kind of like a little scared.
	That's the second time you demanded it.
	Find the notes.
	Second time, bro.
	A little reverse psychology there for Brian.
	Did you already have notes prepared for this?
	It was bound to happen one day.
	Yeah.
	Oh, so he knew.
	It was bound to happen one day.
	Okay.
	One day.
	He was like, I know one day.
	I know.
	He's like, I know one day.
	I'm going to admit that for the perfect woman, I would bow, and I'm going to have to have this debate with Andrew.
	Here are the notes.
	It's going to be, here's how it's going to go, too.
	It's going to be hypothetical, hypothetical, hypothetical, Andrew Wentz.
	Watch.
	I think he's going to make some really good points, though.
	I see how to find it.
	I'm excited for the points.
	Cope.
	Brian.
	Cope.
	Hold on.
	I got it, bro.
	Hello, Lil Cope.
	I got it.
	Hold on.
	COP.
	So, oh, before we get into it, before we do, I need to pose her one thing on the bow thing.
	So, okay.
	So, your perfect guy.
	What?
	What?
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	Yeah.
	You're perfect guy, right?
	So this is, this would be the perfect guy in terms of what you would find most physically attractive, perfect guy in terms of what you would find in terms of personality.
	And then if you want, you could add on, like, he's a trillionaire.
	So he's the richest man in the world.
	That's when I'm saying perfect.
	That's what I'm willing to grant for the hypothetical.
	Would you bow for that, man?
	If you just saw what just happened, you would have lost your fucking mind.
	Is it on it's not a big deal?
	I'm just talking smack.
	It's not a big deal.
	No big deal.
	Is it like a flush?
	No, no, no, nothing like that.
	Oh.
	What that I walked by the camera?
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	It had nothing even to do with you.
	Just like TOS?
	No, no, no, nothing like that.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Now I want to know what the fuck you're doing.
	Yeah, right.
	So you're all like OCD'd out all the time.
	And so if the cameras aren't like where she follows the camera?
	No, she walked in front of it and we saw the back of her head for like a good five seconds before it's oh, yeah, right.
	Whatever.
	It's not a big deal.
	All right.
	Okay.
	He's a changed man.
	Answer.
	Yeah, right?
	Three times a week?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She's negotiating it.
	He's saving children in World Hunger.
	He's angry.
	Well, I'm going to up it, but would you, for yeah, three times a week, would you do the bow?
	Okay.
	Okay, seven every single day.
	No.
	I don't understand the differential, though, of like, yes, three days a week, but no, not to seven days a week.
	Like, what's the reasoning there?
	Let me ask you a question.
	You're working on your PhD, right?
	Once you get your PhD, do you want to become a professor?
	You want to, I assume you want to get a good paying job?
	I want to become a professor.
	A professor.
	How much do professors make?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I work in China, but not very much.
	Okay.
	If somebody came along, some like really weird autistic guy came along and said, I don't know.
	Came along and he was like, I'm going to pay you a million dollars a year and all you have to do is you have to work at my restaurant for 10 minutes a day and all you have to do is just bow to the guests who are coming into the restaurant only for 10 minutes a day and he'll pay you a million dollars a year and that's it.
	Would you do it?
	I will do it.
	Interesting.
	Okay, so that's a million dollars a year, but you wouldn't, you wouldn't do it for your perfect man who's a trillionaire who conceivably your shared wealth would far exceed making a million dollars a year.
	I think it's a different thing because that would be a job, but now we're talking about my partner.
	Like, why does he want me to do that?
	I think there's some like power like difference here.
	Yeah.
	Let's even grant it.
	Let's even grant that it is a power thing and he just gets off.
	He gets off to it.
	Same thing as the employer though.
	Well, I mean, if he has you come in for 10 minutes a day to bow and gives you a million dollars, it's not about power.
	Well, it's got to be about power, right?
	But you would still do it, even if it was about power.
	The employer just wanted to see you bow.
	What if in every other aspect he's treating you with respect?
	It's everything that your perfect man, your relationship is about.
	All he's asking is for a moment of submission to be like, I love you.
	Everything you're giving me.
	Like, I appreciate everything you've given me.
	Yeah.
	It's almost like a thank you more than just like a, I'm your, I don't know, subservient.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's not really in that way.
	I think sometimes people hear submissive and they think very negative.
	Would you, it's really hard to imagine that.
	Like he's.
	Well, she's not into it, it seems like.
	So yeah, if she's not the right match then, if she's not into it too.
	It's just interesting because she's willing to do it for pay, but not for the perfect partner of her dreams who she can probably.
	I kind of get some of that with it being like your partner because that's the person you share every meal with.
	You spend every night usually sleeping in bed with.
	So to know that that power dynamic is like off for her for the rest of her life in that relationship whereas a job, she could come in a couple shifts, get a couple mil and dip.
	But look at you.
	You're pursuing a master's, doctor's, which one?
	PhD.
	A PhD.
	A woman pursuing a PhD or with a PhD is probably not bowing to anyone.
	So I think it goes right back to the point.
	I think women with a PhD would bow for a million dollars.
	We got one right here who turned up and I would.
	She said she would.
	She's willing to do it as a job, but she's not willing to do it for the partner of her rest of her life.
	So this one I have a bit of an internal conflict with.
	Do I think that there's men out there who are very prideful and would be very dominant in a relationship, but would still go to like a Caesar's palace and bow for 10 minutes for a million dollars a year?
	I think they would.
	I think so.
	I don't think that that's even problematic or contradictory.
	The whole point here is the matter of like love and respect.
	The idea is that your partner, if they feel like it's showing them love and respect, for you to take the submissive position, they want to see that in a bow.
	Is that appropriate?
	That's really what the heart of the question is.
	Not whether or not you go to a Caesar's palace and bow for a fucking million dollars, because almost anybody would, right?
	Yeah, that's simple.
	That's, yeah.
	10 minutes of it.
	If it would benefit my entire family to go to a Caesar's palace and bow for 10 fucking minutes in order to get a million bucks, yeah, I'd fucking take the million bucks and laugh on my way out.
	But in regards to what we're comparing here, where it's her job for part-time work of a million dollars a shift, and then the rest of her life is being spent with somebody.
	It's like you going to Caesar's Palace and they're saying, you have to give up your wife and your children.
	Here's a million dollars, but now you're with me.
	Yeah, yeah, but that's a completely different type of hypothetical that really doesn't dive in.
	I don't think that, I don't think the hypothetical gets to the heart of what we're trying to get to.
	No, that's her argument: is that she would be willing to do it for work for the 10 minutes of bowing out of the world.
	Which is exactly why I think the hypothetical doesn't get to what we're trying to get to.
	Yeah, I would just concede that I think that most men, if I went to basically any man on planet Earth and was like, hey, show up for 10 minutes and bow to people, and I'll give you a million bucks, he doesn't give a shit.
	And that's he's like, Whatever, I'll take the million bucks and laugh all the way to the bank, right?
	Yeah, that doesn't really get to the heart of what we're after here.
	The heart of what we're after is that if a man wants that type of submission from his woman, right, just wants it, yeah, for some reason he feels like this is the ultimate way in which he receives respect, and you really adore him and love him, would you do it?
	Yeah, I've also dated many jungle donated $1,000 pop champagne.
	Don't want a date, don't need a date.
	My woman is stacked with gracious femininity.
	The both of me, if I want, she gives because she trusts me.
	I don't ask for it.
	BTW, I'm leaving the ephemeris.
	There we go, jungle.
	There we go.
	I've dated guys that were like that, that like they loved that kind of dynamic, but they also appreciated that I, you know, stronger in other areas.
	Right.
	It wasn't like I'm always subservient.
	I'm always like submissive.
	It was like they loved that I was strong and had a career and they empowered me in it.
	And it was this really cool power dynamic.
	A different example that you could give her that wasn't specifically a bow.
	I'm wondering if it's the bow that makes it seem like it's well.
	I think the bow is champagne.
	The bow is fine.
	Yeah.
	Champagne.
	Champagne.
	I think that the bow is a fine example.
	The idea here is like women get on their knees and suck men's dicks.
	It's like, don't give me a bunch of shit about how bowing is too fucking to bow.
	It's like, no, it's not.
	Give me a break.
	For every day to the same person, maybe though.
	Like, you know, that's made by Brian Alice, by the way.
	I've argued that.
	If the guy's on the bottom, this is how I frame the argument.
	It's like, okay, you won't bow to a guy, but on the first date, you'll have sex with him, you'll give him head, you'll let him blast on your face.
	Yeah, it's not that much.
	That's because I like that, though, Brian.
	The women feel like they're getting something out of that, whereas the bowing, they might think it's just like, oh, we, it's just weird.
	I think she just may be an exception to the rule.
	There's always going to be exceptions.
	She may be the one of, you know, one of the power wall.
	No, I'm not going.
	We found the diamond in there up.
	I think that's what it is.
	I think, I feel like the major, other than because you're a little masculine presenting, I think the majority of us were like, yeah, we're going to do that.
	I think the more feminine women bowed.
	What the fuck?
	Going all the way over there.
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	It's here.
	That's yours.
	No, that's yours.
	No way.
	No, that's his.
	No, it's not.
	I've been drinking from the bottles.
	Did you want any more?
	No, I'm okay.
	I've been drinking from the bottle.
	Do you want more?
	Yeah, fill it more for you.
	Phillip more for you.
	And then the rest is for.
	Oh, wow.
	Okay.
	I mean, we have before time.
	Yeah, she's not fucking around.
	Jungle, you're a legend, sir.
	Thank you, thank you, Jungle.
	Thank you, Jungle.
	Oh, my God.
	This guy is on fire.
	I still have some of the original bottles, so we'll do a cheers.
	Cheers to bowing.
	Yeah.
	I haven't.
	I haven't.
	By the way, Brian, I just want to let you know: two times, two times now, you're like, Andrew's running away from the bow debate.
	And I just wanted to kind of bring it back real quick.
	Just saying.
	I'm out, boys.
	I'm out, boys.
	By the way, the pizza and the burrito and the ice cream is coming.
	It's going.
	It's on the way, boys.
	And not for you.
	You get nothing.
	Oh.
	I've done that.
	I did.
	One time.
	Okay.
	This one time.
	You guys can find this.
	Some lore, right?
	I don't know if the frame was on me.
	Maybe they moved the frame off.
	Maybe Brian can put it behind the scenes.
	But one time there was like an almost full champagne bottle, and I was like, fuck, nobody's drinking anything.
	So I had to make some content.
	So I tried to toss it back, and the whole thing flared up.
	It just went all over me.
	It was terrible.
	And there's something about champagne that bubbles more.
	Andrew Pasty is asking what he wants to do a specific kind of pop in front of the female panelist.
	So what could like there's the pizza pop, there's the ice cream pop, the burrito pop, the champagne pop.
	He wants to do a unique.
	I refuse to do any type of monkey activity in front of women ever.
	I actually refuse to do that.
	Yeah.
	I mean, pasty.
	Pasty.
	We have bottles of Crystal for one Ethereum.
	My Ethereum thing is in the description for the video.
	So you can do Crystal if you want to do something a bit unique.
	There's also some.
	Oh, I know.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	I know.
	I know what we could do.
	And this will really piss off Brian.
	And that'll make everybody happy.
	If you send in Brian one Ethereum, I'll light up a smoke in this room.
	No, no, no.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Oh, he'll be so fucking mad.
	He will be so pissed.
	Look, honestly, I don't care.
	It's the landlord.
	Well, you'll be all right.
	One cigarette won't do it, bro.
	Andrew don't put this out, dude.
	Here's some options, Pasty George.
	I'll propose some options.
	For a pop, so a thousand.
	You can have one of the guests, including me.
	Andrew, are you waiting for me?
	You're not wearing the hat.
	No way.
	Okay.
	For 10 minutes, they'll wear the helicopter hat.
	You also, I have a couple Dr. Seuss books.
	You can ask one panelist.
	I do want to see you wear the helicopter hat.
	I do.
	I don't have no good reason for it.
	He's trying to deflect.
	I'm not wearing a picture of the picture.
	This should be for Andrew.
	Cat in the hat.
	Somebody has to read Cat in the Hat.
	I have green eggs and ham, and I have the.
	I do want to kind of see Cat in the hat for no good reason at all.
	So, Pasty, those are some options.
	Harry Potter.
	Those are some options.
	I feel like he's stalling anyway.
	It could be.
	He's just, he's enjoying the attention.
	He's enjoying the attention.
	Okay, he's either Brian's alternate.
	We have name taken.
	Whoa, wait.
	So anyone who drops 6K can get a date with the women who appear on whatever.
	Looks like Brian is officially advanced to the position of E-Pimp, shaking my head for shame.
	Fucking D-Gen.
	Fucking D-Gen.
	Wow.
	Look, hold on.
	Hold on.
	Look, it's not about the money, guys.
	I just, that's my girl.
	Gabrielle's my girl, and I'm trying to do her a solid.
	I'm trying to do her solid.
	Jungle's the homie as of today.
	I'm trying to get, you know, as of today.
	He's my homie.
	As of today, yesterday.
	He's both of our homies.
	He's your homie, and he's my homie.
	And he's my date.
	Why is Jungle going for the date?
	He's going for the date because he likes race women with piercings.
	He likes frizzy-haired.
	Sorry, curly-haired.
	She's beautiful.
	Dude, she likes sexism going around on her, Bobby.
	What the hell?
	He likes curly hair, curly-haired women with glasses and daddy issues and piercing.
	Wait, you need a way bigger shovel to bury that hole.
	No, I mean way bigger than the net.
	I meant we all cut each other.
	You meant something else.
	I didn't mean to say that.
	That was just like the champagne.
	It was her fault.
	She distracted him.
	Oh, Pasty, you goblin.
	Okay, I gave you options.
	We got cats in the middle.
	Come on.
	I want to see Brian wear this.
	I'll wear the fucking hat.
	No, I think you're going to be able to do that.
	I'll wear the hat.
	For sure.
	If you want, but you got to specify who you want to wear.
	Brian's got to wear the fucking hat.
	Thank you, Super Chat.
	Appreciate it, Avon.
	I think Brian would wear it and have fun with it.
	Andrew would hate it.
	You know, I hate it.
	And I would not do it.
	I think people have been really supportive tonight.
	Yes, they are.
	Because of the just total.
	The past three days, Andrew, you have had a complete.
	You've had three debates.
	Lavandovsky for the hat trick!
	And you said, Let's put it in.
	Oh, my word.
	This is one of Levandovsky's fucking fire.
	Hat-trick, Andrew.
	You really, three debates in a row.
	You did fantastic.
	You secured the W's.
	You secured the victory for all three of your most recent debates.
	And I think this is just the audience coming in and they're doing a little celebration here because that's well they should.
	But Brian, there's more.
	This is a permit.
	Aren't there more debates coming?
	Including tomorrow.
	Yes, we have, guys, tomorrow, 3:30 p.m. Big debate.
	Possibly this might be bigger than all the previous ones.
	And then we have a special show on Tuesday.
	So be sure to tune into that.
	Don't miss it.
	Both of them are going to be good.
	They're going to be good.
	Do you guys have like a masterclass type of thing?
	I feel like I heard something like that.
	Debate University.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	You get over to Debate University.
	You're welcome.
	Give me all of your money so I can go buy guns with it.
	But you will get something in exchange.
	You will learn how to debate.
	Wait.
	And it will be good.
	He said one Ethereum.
	One?
	Somebody said they sent an Ethereum?
	You got an Ethereum?
	Wait.
	Eskimi.
	Wait, so this guy on Twitch said one Ethereum.
	There you go.
	Four minutes ago, but I do not see any indication of an Ethereum.
	Ethereum lies.
	And that's 10,000?
	It's like right now, I think it's 2,500 last I checked for one Ethereum.
	One Ethereum.
	Crypto.
	But I don't see it, so maybe it was a little bait.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Pasty, you are being a little goblin, dude.
	Saddle up.
	Saddle up, bro.
	Stop with these super chats.
	You're talking the big game.
	Give him no more attention.
	That's what you do.
	Pasty, pasty, pasty.
	Andre, thank you for the these two.
	Okay, see.
	Isn't that what they say we should do with you?
	Thank you, Andre.
	What?
	Don't give them attention.
	Don't give any of you any attention.
	Christopher Murray, you're a legend, sir.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Christopher.
	All right.
	We should get back to the show, though.
	And then, you know, me and Andrew will debate a little later on about the battle.
	By the way, I just wanted to ask everybody who's in the audience currently: either if you're watching from the crucible or here from the great whatever, did you see that that chick from yesterday decided to take a five to seven days off for mental health?
	I did see that.
	Yeah.
	Andrew.
	I didn't do shit.
	I was super nice.
	You monster, Andrew.
	In 1v1 debates, I'm always super nice unless the other person's a fucking dickhead.
	That's the only people who are just almost opposite of your viewpoint.
	Even no.
	That's what the debt.
	I haven't seen one.
	A lot of times, the closer they are, the more brutal the debate.
	I can see that.
	Yeah.
	But you like debating.
	Well, I just think that my view is correct.
	So I debate it from a passion form because I think it trumps all other worldviews.
	That's what I debate.
	Sure.
	That's why I'm good at it is because I honestly believe my worldview is better.
	That's why.
	Oh, man.
	This hold on.
	Jungle.
	You might laugh.
	No, no.
	I can't.
	You can see it in it.
	You can see it in you.
	Oh, he wasn't trying to get at.
	Destroying everything on Sir Jungle's name.
	I have a woman, she adores me.
	She's watching with me.
	Brian, you need to kneel, Brian, and apologize.
	What did I do?
	I didn't do anything.
	There might be a bow from the guy.
	There's a fucking guy up who's got a fucking chick at home, Brian, after he supports the show.
	First off, I'm also out of shampoo.
	Hey, Brian.
	Hey, Brian, Brian.
	Brian.
	Oh, no.
	Apologize.
	For what?
	Apologies.
	For trying to.
	Oh, my God.
	There was just a misunderstanding that was horrible, brian.
	Yeah, outside perspective, it was a misunderstanding.
	Wait, here's the thing.
	Play his last message.
	Okay, play it.
	Hold on.
	You're telling me this isn't flirting.
	Hang on, let me listen to you.
	Pop champagne.
	Chair five.
	You are dreaming of me, so technically, I am the man of your present dreams.
	Congratulations.
	You won.
	When you bow after kneeling, dreams come true.
	How does that equate to he wants a date, Brian?
	I don't know.
	That's not even in the same universe.
	He's making, he's literally contrasting a hypothetical.
	He's like, so since it is the case that you're dreaming of me all the time, just remember I'll always be here when you bow in your dreams to a man like me.
	How does that equate to like he wants a date, dude?
	Oh, shit.
	Hold on.
	No, it's obfuscation.
	It's fucking obfuscation, bro.
	What's going on?
	What?
	What the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	Pizza?
	They put pine burritos.
	I need to order the shit.
	Fucking odd dog, dude.
	Hold on.
	What kind of obfuscate?
	What the fuck kind of?
	I still think it was a misunderstanding.
	So I will.
	How was that a misunderstanding?
	Because he said, you're dreaming of me.
	Now, I know he probably meant a man like me, but it sounded like, oh, me?
	No, he did mean him.
	Here's a thousand.
	No, he actually meant him.
	Okay.
	And then he says, I'm in your dreams.
	That doesn't equate to like, I want you.
	That equates to like, you want me.
	If I say, I'm in your dreams, how does that equate to I want you?
	Oh, wait, is that still okay for you to say if you have, like, would your wife be okay if you said something to that?
	Yeah, if I said, oh, look, this chick, I'm, I literally dominate her mind in her dreams.
	My wife, how would why would she be upset by that?
	Specifically, you could, you could, because that would be who X person would be dreaming of.
	I get it.
	I still think there's a could be easily misunderstood.
	That's not.
	No fucking way.
	I could see where Brian was trying to give him a shot.
	He set her out.
	Look, Jungle, Jungle, I got your back.
	I feel like I got your back pretty good here.
	Brian does.
	If you're saying jungle, we understand.
	But it could be chair five.
	We have your back.
	Yeah.
	Well, I got Brian's too.
	Brian was like, yeah, I just thought I was doing something good.
	That part.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, it could have been easily misunderstood.
	Wait, Jungle.
	I don't want you to feel like you're getting screwed over here.
	We're out of champagne.
	You put on the dunce cap, bro.
	Can you tell me what you want?
	You don't have to send in a thousand.
	Put on the fucking dunce cap so I can't.
	He didn't specify.
	Yeah, but did you see what you did and spend?
	Put on the dunce cap so I can flick the fucking propeller, Brian.
	After what you did.
	This is Jungle F.
	We got to take a bit of initiative here.
	I'm assuming instead of the champagne pop, we're going to do a dunce cap pop.
	So I gotta, I'm gonna wear that shit backwards, though.
	Spin it, spinning.
	What the fuck?
	Oh my god.
	I don't even know.
	Dunce cap is a dunce.
	No, it's got it.
	We put it on tight.
	Maybe I gotta do it like a little tighter.
	It was your head's too flat.
	Wow.
	Wait.
	Hold on.
	It's still.
	God damn, this is small, man.
	This is really.
	I feel like I have to fix this propeller.
	Sorry, one sec, guys.
	All right.
	We're close.
	We're close.
	We're almost there.
	We're almost there.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	Thank God.
	There we go.
	There you go, Jungle.
	Revenge, Jungle, revenge.
	Here, dude, again.
	All right.
	Oh, what the fuck?
	You're too strong, Andrew.
	It's a bad startup.
	It was a bad startup.
	Hang on.
	Let's get it really moving here.
	There we go.
	Now, look into the camera, Andrew.
	Look into the camera.
	I think you're probably enjoying this.
	Make the eye contact.
	It's important, right?
	It's important.
	Okay.
	All right.
	The show's been derailed for like an hour at this point.
	I feel like we should get back into it.
	Well, Jungle started it.
	It's all jungle.
	Jungle.
	It's all your fault.
	Yeah.
	All your fault.
	We have a message here.
	One shot.
	Andrew, what's up?
	Forgive me for the simping I'm about to do, but check it out.
	That's enough.
	Oh, wait, what?
	That's enough.
	Forgive you for the simp.
	I can't forgive you for this.
	Wait, we got to do a sim tax, though.
	Here, here's what it is.
	I'm going to read it, but you're going to pay the sim tax.
	One shot, there's a luminous glow about you that captures everyone's attention.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	What the fuck?
	I'm like, I'm just going to see your hit.
	Your elegance and radiance glows like the midday sun and are impossible to ignore.
	Now he's thanking you, Holy Dream.
	What the fuck?
	Yo, what the fuck?
	Jude.
	What the fuck?
	One shot.
	Yo, one shot.
	You got to do a fucking champagne pop.
	That's your sim, you know what?
	No, look.
	Actually, yes, you got to do a champagne.
	If you're going to do a simp message, you got to pay the sim tax, and that's a champagne pop.
	Avon, thank you for the soup chat, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Or I'll leave it up for a little longer.
	These are below the read, though.
	Guys, if you're enjoying the stream, $100 read, TTS 200.
	I know we've been kind of getting off topic here, just like meta conversation.
	We're going to get back into the substance of the show, talking about dating, but hold on.
	This guy.
	This guy, bro.
	Okay.
	This guy.
	Jungle donated $1,000.
	Chair 5 can wear it.
	Put on it.
	I DM whatever.
	I'll check my DMs.
	I'll wait for 10.
	Just because.
	Then Chair 5 can wear it just because.
	Where did you DM Jungle on?
	Is it my personal Instagram or did you DM on whatever?
	Because I don't see you on whatever.
	One sec.
	Let's see.
	Did you send it to my personal?
	Did he do it to the personal Instagram?
	All right, guys.
	If you're enjoying the stream, like the video also.
	Damn, bro.
	I don't see it.
	Where did you DM?
	Tell me where you DM, Jungle.
	All right.
	I have a quick question for you, Ryan.
	What's up?
	With your big labia matter.
	Is that like a deal breaker for you?
	I'm just curious.
	I'm just generally curious.
	Like, you know how people have their deal breakers and you're advocating for it?
	What if you met your perfect woman, but she doesn't have big labia?
	I don't even know what big labia would, what the size is.
	Are you measuring?
	Are you like an innie or an outie?
	Is that what you're doing?
	I'm not going to discuss mine.
	I'm just curious if that's a deal breaker for you.
	If she doesn't.
	If she doesn't have what you consider big labia, but in every other aspect, that's it.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	Oh.
	It's not a deal breaker.
	I was just curious.
	Because I see a lot of these men buying your BLM hoodies.
	Oh, speaking of which.
	Speaking of which, guys, shop.whatever.com.
	We've got Big Labia.
	Big Labia Matter Hoodies, t-shirts, if you want to get one, shop.whatever.com.
	And we'll give you a shout-out as if you send one in.
	Streamlabs can show merch purchases.
	Yeah, it's not a deal breaker, but it is a preference.
	Preferences are allowed.
	I mean, women have genital preference.
	You guys want a guy who's cut.
	You guys want a guy with a big dick.
	Yeah, no, no.
	There's nothing wrong with preference.
	I was just curious because some people are very like, I know some women who are like, oh, you can't be under a certain preference, which to me is crazy, but everybody has their preference.
	Yes, Pasty.
	We could probably do this, assuming it's available.
	But yeah, we could probably, we could probably do that.
	But if it's like some super unique alcohol, but I think Andrew would really like this.
	So yeah, we'll go and buy it if you do the pop.
	But I got to wait until he's back.
	He's out on the balcony smoking a sig.
	So, but yeah, we'll do it, Pasty.
	I'm going to, I'm going to hold you to that though, Pasty.
	Pasty needs to put his money where his mouth is.
	He's been doing 10 for wait.
	I'm going to pull that up for at.
	Yeah, I'll tell him.
	Thank you, Akon.
	Wait, what?
	Okay, where are we here?
	Let me get through some of the show notes while we're just waiting.
	Let's see here.
	We got everybody's gone from the table.
	Oh, Natalie, are you going to do some hypnotherapy for us or what?
	No.
	Okay.
	Is hypnotherapy somewhat comparable to like placebo effect where it's like, okay, maybe if they think they're making something happen?
	So, yeah, actually, so some of it is that too.
	Like affirmations have been shown and proven that if you force yourself to believe something or say it over and over and over again, you'll actually behave that way and can break through any limits or fears that you have.
	Tony Robbins is really good about that.
	So Tony Robbins has this thing where like he'll do this trick and technique where whenever you're feeling down and out, you just get up, start moving around, move that energy, move that whatever.
	And then what he does is he'll like scream affirmations until he forces himself to believe it.
	So you can Delulu your way into an amazing life for sure.
	So yeah, that's kind of whatever you believe, if you can force yourself to believe that you're worthy and you're good enough, then you can definitely break limits, make more money doing it.
	Who the hell?
	I'll be I ate a bunch of chips.
	Sorry if I'm like is it about hypnotherapy?
	Because please don't.
	Yeah, more about like her strategy, I guess, for clients and stuff.
	So like, have you ever been have you ever been engaged or married?
	And have you gotten people married through your services?
	I'll leave it on her bill.
	Yeah, a lot of my clients.
	I'm not going to scoot over jungle.
	I've been coaching for a long time.
	Coming up, I'm close to a decade.
	I have a lot of clients right now that are finding themselves.
	They're, you know, getting better in their career.
	They're finding the love of their lives, the women that are good pairs for them, getting married, all that.
	I was close to getting engaged, but he wasn't the right one.
	And I knew it.
	Have you been to their weddings?
	Like, did you get invited as the matchmaker?
	I typically don't really break those.
	I kind of like, there's only been very, very few clients that I've met in person, unless I'm doing a boot camp.
	But I try and keep that.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I keep that space.
	So you don't engage in like medical.
	Oh my God.
	Who the hell can't you?
	Bro, danny!
	I mean, I'm sorry.
	Your hat is way more entertaining.
	It's true.
	It is.
	The hat is much better.
	It is true.
	Okay.
	Andrew tried to.
	You know, they have a thing.
	Psychotherapy, though.
	No, I don't really.
	But I told him.
	I was like, I don't really care if it was like placebo effect.
	Yeah.
	And you can, like I said, you can delusion your way into believing whatever you want.
	You know that.
	Yeah.
	I do.
	Yeah.
	Christopher Murphy donated $200.
	How do you guys like Bergen or cigars?
	Love.
	Rob Samuels is a family.
	We all love cigars.
	Yeah, man.
	That'd be dope.
	I'd love that.
	Thank you, Christopher Murphy.
	Send it through.
	Just send me a DM on Instagram and we can arrange for that.
	Somebody bought some merch on the merch store.
	It just says someone.
	Looks like they bought the t-shirts.
	Appreciate that.
	I think the food's here.
	Yep.
	Okay, so really quick, where do we have to see the women's like eyes light up?
	Thank you for that.
	Andrew, there's a liquor ordering service in your area.
	If so, could you order a bottle of liquor of Andrew's favorite liquor so he could enjoy a glass of it, but not the whole bottle for a pop?
	Yes.
	What's your favorite alcohol in it?
	So I'm partial to vodka and soda, but you can get it pre-canned.
	I did tell Brian about this.
	I can actually walk right next door and grab those right now, Brian.
	It'll only take me a minute.
	Wait, you can get vodka in a can?
	Vodka in social media.
	Wait, wait, hold on.
	Would you like to have one with me?
	No, I meant you're sober today.
	Yes, I would, but I'm not gonna, I can't break that.
	So, uh, but yes, I would, but not right now.
	Um, everyone else can have one.
	Is there a brand?
	Like, do you want whiskey or there's a brand?
	Okay, what is it?
	Well, I just told you it's called Mule.
	Yeah.
	Oh, here, let me write it down.
	Thank you for asking.
	Or I can just like walk right next to you.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, okay, wait, wait, wait.
	Okay.
	No, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	IMPORTANT.
	What?
	Oh, do you want him to pay before you order, or do you want to already have it on hand for the no?
	He has to do the pop, then we'll get it.
	Yeah, we're waiting for you to put your paper.
	We'll get the drink.
	Okay, so we'll get the drink.
	You got to do the pop pasty.
	Yeah.
	No more.
	Okay.
	No more bullshit.
	Andrew, can you ask a question for the future?
	Thank you, Brian.
	And thank you, Joan.
	I feel like he just wants to not be on camera with that dunce cap.
	It's restarting when you get back, Brian.
	It's right.
	I'm not going to take any time.
	Yeah, it pauses.
	I'm sure that's it.
	Okay, so let's talk about hypnotherapy.
	Oh, God.
	Okay, let's do it.
	Why do you do hypnotherapy?
	You know it's bullshit.
	It is.
	Wait, some of it's so, I don't, but I don't do it that much.
	I do a little bit.
	A little time.
	Yes.
	Is it?
	Yes, yes.
	There's glue in.
	No.
	I can't too.
	It's okay.
	One, two, three, four.
	That's more pizza for me.
	Yeah.
	He can have mine.
	I would eat the meat off of it.
	Seven blue.
	You just do the topping.
	Yeah.
	I'll just scoop that off.
	It's very keto.
	You can just like wait until all of the like everybody grabs their piece.
	You know how at the bottom of the pizza, there's always like it's my favorite.
	Yeah.
	I always go over to the pizza box.
	It's like treats for fat kids where you just like grab them and you just, you know, relax.
	Okay, to answer your question, honestly, like I've done some of it and I understand like affirmations.
	So I understand that if I, if someone else comes in and gives me better thoughts than what I'm telling myself, like I grew up with a voice in my head that said some nasty things and mean things.
	Do you have a voice in your head?
	Do you not have, do you not have like a voice that tells you things, like an idea of ideas?
	Well, okay, I have an internal dialogue.
	Internal dialogue.
	That's my voice.
	That's what I mean.
	So there was my internal dialogue that didn't say very nice things.
	So there was hypno, there was like hypnotherapy or people who would give me better affirmations or better things for me to say in my head, my internal dialogue.
	So that.
	But honestly, with a lot of it, getting the hypnotherapy certification.
	And I'm just going to say it.
	Getting the hypnotherapy certification was easy.
	And really, honestly, I love NLP.
	I do NLP.
	I do love that.
	It's NLP.
	Neuro-linguistic programming.
	Tony Robbins does a lot of it.
	You do it essentially too.
	You have, like, you know, patterns, you spot patterns.
	People reveal everything.
	So you do a form of it for sure.
	Like, you listen, you hear, you figure it out.
	That I really like.
	Like that certification, but when I went off on my own, I started my own company and I started my own business.
	I just, yeah, I like to do gluten.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Does everyone have she got one?
	You got one.
	I'm trying to like direct.
	I'm so sorry.
	No, you're good.
	Food's important.
	And then one more for her.
	I'll take this one.
	Yeah, that's great.
	Thank you.
	There we go.
	Here we go.
	I just liked all the little fancy things, not fancy, but the things.
	They'd be like, I've got this and I've got this and I've got this.
	I'm a certified hypnotherapist.
	Yes, I'm a certified this.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	There's some little things that I'll do, but yeah, exactly.
	And I'm being honest with it.
	I did the certifications and all that because I wanted to be like, look, I know what the heck I'm doing.
	I'm going to help you.
	I'm going to pull your head out of you.
	Is that kind of like guru shit, though?
	I hate guru shit.
	But don't we all have it?
	No.
	Don't you with a debate?
	I specifically make sure that I don't give advice.
	So I always tell my audience, I'm not your guru.
	Oh, yeah.
	Give advice.
	I'm an entertainer.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you're really good at it.
	I try.
	I mean, there's advice that I'll give, but mostly it's like you are trying to get the person to figure out what it is that they want and go after it.
	So, but I mean, I'm sure if someone came up to you and actually asked for advice, you'd be able to give it.
	I don't.
	No.
	Why?
	So from my perspective.
	Yeah.
	You don't want to fuck up their life.
	Exactly.
	Well, it's not just they don't want to fuck up their life, but I think that unless you intricately know a person's situation from the inside out, and it takes a long time to do that.
	Yes.
	To really get to know a person, that any advice you give them is likely going to be bad unless it's basic.
	So here's what I mean by that, right?
	Like, don't stick your face in that fryer.
	That's pretty basic advice I think anybody can give, and it would probably be pretty good, right?
	Right.
	The type of woman you want is X, way different.
	Yes.
	Right?
	But I won't do that.
	I'll have them write that out and then I can at least tell them why they're not maybe getting that.
	But usually with decision making, no, they can write it out.
	You can figure out how to go after what you want.
	I'm just there as also someone to take accountability or help you with accountability too to get it.
	Yeah.
	But like there'd be a better way of saying it.
	Accountability.
	Yeah, I get that.
	But the hypnotherapy thing, do you actually engage in that?
	No, not really.
	There's only like, what does that mean though?
	See that caveat?
	You're like, not because I guess, so there's this that would be, I guess, considered under the umbrella.
	Let's say someone has a really big insecurity and they feel like they're not good enough.
	And so they're not going after the woman that they really want or they're not going after their.
	You give affirmations, don't you?
	Yeah, there's affirmations.
	So, yeah, exactly, where you can just kind of overcome that.
	So that'd be unfortunate.
	Do you ever tell them to go to church?
	If they want to.
	Yeah.
	But like.
	I have clients that you can, I could tell, like, they're spiritual and they want that.
	And I would say, like, try different things.
	Or like, what are your hobbies?
	What are the things that really light you up?
	And they'll reveal it.
	They'll be the ones that say, I used to do this.
	I'm kind of feeling like I'm disconnected.
	So I get to tell them, like, look, if that's what you're really wanting, what are you doing?
	What's stopping you?
	What's why aren't you going?
	So then you try to give them like a gentle push if they kind of reveal that.
	Yeah, I feel like most people with church are don't want it until they actually open up to it.
	Yeah.
	What's that?
	It's amazing.
	Round of applause, ladies.
	Hey!
	This is for Jungle.
	Yeah.
	A burrito, a burrito paw.
	That is amazing.
	Brian, Brian.
	Yeah.
	That's a good sign.
	Is it going to be a delicious burrito?
	That big fat burrito you're about to stick in your mouth, Brian?
	Oh, man.
	What's happening?
	With the hat on, bro.
	Twirl it.
	Twirl it.
	Honestly, Brian, like the points are just going through the roof, I feel like.
	We got the Dunch Cap with the burrito.
	This is the perfect.
	I love this.
	This is payback for that fucking pineapple pizza, you piece of shit.
	He made you eat pineapple pizza.
	It is payback.
	It is payback.
	Yeah, it is payback.
	You got me there.
	I don't know what else to do.
	Remember that time you tried to keep me from In N Out?
	I got the In N Out, Brian.
	I got the fucking In N Out and I posted it.
	Why would you wave it in and out?
	Yeah.
	It was so good.
	Exactly.
	Why would someone deny you in and out?
	Because he's a fuckhead.
	Sometimes Brian's a fucking dick.
	Was he trying to help you?
	No.
	He was just fucking with me because it was funny.
	It was funny.
	Look, it was funny.
	Okay.
	But look at that.
	Ah, there we go.
	How's that making?
	He made eye contact.
	I feel great.
	Yeah.
	Actually, that does look really fucking good.
	I feel great.
	That's why it looks pretty good.
	Yeah.
	That looks good.
	I'll eat like a third of it.
	I can't eat it.
	I can't eat all of it.
	Is there, is it on the inside?
	Would I be able to, if you don't finish it?
	Whoa.
	Oh, you think you're having some of this?
	You think you're going to have some of my burrito?
	I mean, I'll bow for it.
	Let's see it.
	Let's see it.
	No, no, no.
	Hold on.
	You didn't agree?
	Yeah.
	I know.
	I thought I'm not going to go eat in the burrito.
	He's like, no, I didn't agree to this.
	I'm trying to negotiate a good deal.
	Okay, I was trying to negotiate a good deal.
	It does look like she could probably have a lot of that burrito, though.
	Because she's not having pizza.
	Just saying.
	Empathy.
	Look, there's a lot of gluten in this burrito.
	There's rice, there's the tortilla.
	Rice is gluten-free.
	Okay, there's the tortilla.
	Yeah, but she eats around the tortilla.
	Eats around the tortilla.
	Oh, it's a burrito.
	How do you eat around the tortilla?
	You open the tortilla.
	Oh, it is.
	That's a perfectly good waste of a burrito.
	I think so.
	How could you ever?
	That's blasphemy, Andrew.
	Listen, I agree that it's like borderline satanic to open a burrito.
	It is.
	I agree with that too.
	She might be the devil.
	Yes, I also agree with that too.
	Oh, my God.
	There's going to be people listening who actually believe that.
	You're hypnotizing people you level?
	She's like.
	You did add guacamole.
	Oh.
	Where's the steak, Brian?
	It's chicken.
	The fuck, he got a chicken burrito.
	He gets a fucking steak burrito.
	Everybody who's a man gets a steak burrito.
	Shredded beef burrito.
	No, steak.
	No, my straight steak.
	It's got to be from a good place.
	Who the fuck doesn't like steak?
	Look, you out there in the whatever.
	Can you fucking tell Brian the steak burrito is the way that's the way?
	Chicken fucking burrito?
	It's a shaky bet.
	You can stuff that thing with anything.
	You put chicken.
	I'll go get a steak burrito.
	Does another burrito pop, and then I'll have the steak burrito.
	There we go.
	Fair.
	Can we, where's Felicity?
	Rest.
	Can you collect?
	Are you guys all done with the food?
	Maybe all done?
	I apologize.
	They put way too much sauce on them.
	They put way too much sauce on the sauce.
	That's how it looks like it.
	But he didn't get gluten-free.
	Look, as the woman goes back into her native habitat and grabs the plates.
	It's a whole lot because she's bringing them over to clean up this.
	That's funny.
	This is funny.
	Let's watch her in her habitat.
	Blimey.
	I can't believe she did it.
	These little critters can be really tricky sometimes.
	Don't make eye contact.
	She might slam the plates.
	You know, you ruined it.
	I did.
	It was a perfectly good joke.
	It was great.
	And you just fucked it all up.
	They fucking did.
	I felt it too.
	I actually felt it.
	I have it on good authority.
	There's an Australian right now.
	Literally, the Prince of Australia who is watching this right now, who is so fucking disappointed with you.
	Yeah, I disappointed him.
	And I own it.
	I own my mistake.
	I actually have this on 100% good authority.
	There actually is the Prince of Australia.
	Not kidding.
	I believe you.
	Watching this.
	Yeah.
	And he is disappointed.
	Yeah.
	Now, the true king of Australia, his name, he has an Italian name, so he's super weird, Vinny.
	But hey, Vinny.
	I'm pretty confident he's watching too, the true king of Australia.
	And I'm just telling you, you ruined the whole joke.
	Okay, you fucked it all up.
	I did.
	Everything was perfect.
	I hope I get redemption later, but I don't think I'm going to.
	So I'll have to.
	Take the dumpster off.
	No, you got to get the dumps after that.
	So ridiculous.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	Pass it down.
	Put it on.
	See it.
	You got to twirl the propeller.
	Oh, yeah.
	There you go.
	There we go.
	Hey, I got it going.
	All right.
	In the natural habitat.
	That's good.
	It's a good look.
	It's good luck.
	Good luck for you.
	All right.
	Hopefully, we'll get.
	There's a bunch of chats that have come through.
	We'll get through the chats, and I promise we'll get to the show.
	So, and we do have ice cream too for that ice cream pop.
	And then there's more.
	Pasty, where are you, bro?
	Pasty.
	Oh, wait, Pasty.
	This freaking legend.
	Did he do it?
	This legend.
	He did it.
	You know what?
	Do it.
	You know what?
	I had my doubts.
	He did it?
	I had my doubts.
	All right, Pasty, are we doing it?
	Cheers to Peter.
	He is a man of his word.
	He is a true gentleman and a scholar.
	Pasty.
	No shit.
	Wow.
	Pasty George donating.
	Only for us.
	Pop champagne.
	Oh, my God.
	This is only for random.
	Andrew and Brian.
	Thank you very much.
	Hello, El Tong Andrew.
	Get your favorite alcoholic drink and enjoy it with us.
	Yes, I would like to do that.
	Okay, we'll do that.
	I'll get that going.
	Can you?
	Do you have your phone on you?
	Can you text me what it is?
	Of course.
	And then I'll send it to Mary.
	Oh, wow, this is Barry here.
	Yo, Pasty, you're a legend.
	Thank you, Barry.
	Thank you for the you bought a t-shirt, it looks like, on shop.whatever.com.
	And then somebody else, no name, but items three.
	So it looks like you bought like three t-shirts.
	Thank you.
	Real quick, can you ask our OBS gal over here?
	There's the box of those things that's like right there in the fridge.
	He could just snap a pick and send it to you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'll go real quick.
	I'll tell her.
	Hold on here.
	Real quick.
	Andrew, I'm going to have two chats come through.
	Can you have you read them?
	Gotcha.
	Curtis Leon donates $100 of Brian.
	Great job on your decade-long weight loss journey has not taken.
	It appears that you have gone down in weight from Job of the Hut to Pizza the Hut.
	Lapla may give you a chance now.
	No.
	Jungle F for a big $1,000.
	Jungle Foen.
	Pop of champagne.
	Holy crap.
	Pop champagne.
	Chicken is for chicks.
	Steak is the only way.
	Andrew deserves a smoke in the studio.
	We hereby declare your DM should be there now in the personal.
	Okay, so real quick, Brian.
	It was the drinks that I just had.
	You can just check the cans in the trash, maybe.
	They're like the little purple cans.
	They're the vodka soda mixers.
	Okay, so I do deserve a smoke in the studio, but Brian's obviously being a little fucking bitch, and there's no possible way that he's going to allow that because landlord, you know what I mean?
	So, maybe we can compromise somewhere else, Jungle.
	I don't know.
	Maybe we can compromise some other way.
	I have no clue.
	Film him smoking outside.
	He's really butthurt.
	You won't let me smoke in the studio at least one cigarette.
	I'll tell you what, Jungle's man.
	Here's what I'm willing to do.
	When I'm moving out of this place, what a fuck, dude.
	Bro, I can't get evicted.
	I can't get evicted.
	That's fair.
	That's fair.
	Not all of us are homesteading with like hundreds of guns on our expansive Michigan luxury mansions.
	But some of us are in like a small farmhouse like myself.
	We do have that.
	No, I know, but I'm happy with it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Curtis, I saw that hat suits.
	I like it.
	Thank you for the well-wishes.
	She likes it.
	She likes the dunce cap.
	I love it.
	It looks good, honestly.
	It brings out the blue.
	It brings out the intelligence in your eyes.
	Right?
	Thank you.
	I was waiting for it.
	This is the first hat that's ever fit me.
	Uptown, thank for the.
	It looks like you bought a maybe a big labium man or you bought a hoodie on.
	Man, they are buying up the merch.
	It's crazy.
	They're buying it up.
	I kind of, I want a hoodie.
	Can we get a t-shirt over there?
	The big labial one.
	You got to have the dishwasher, you know, squid shirt going.
	Octopus.
	The dishwasher octopus.
	Was Jungle that last pop he did?
	Was he saying I have to go get a steak burrito now?
	No.
	Or he was saying that steak, that chicken burritos are for bitches.
	Chicks.
	And that steak burrito.
	I'm going to say bitches.
	Well, no, that's what he meant.
	That's what he meant.
	But chicken for chicks sounded really good.
	So you're going to get one in.
	So tell me what you want.
	Yeah, what do you want and get a second burrito?
	By the way, you don't have to send in a thousand.
	Just send in a 10 to clarify what you're doing.
	That's a hard briar.
	Yeah, foster me.
	Pasty, George.
	It needs to look cheap and ass.
	Actually, it looks pretty good.
	It was pretty good.
	Well, here's what happened.
	So I asked for a bit light on the cheese and extra sauce, and they took that to mean no cheese and a fuck ton of saucy pizza.
	It was way too saucy.
	I apologize for that.
	It ghosted all right.
	Yeah, I feel like that's a little more Italian style.
	You get a lot of sauce on it.
	Dude, everybody's losing their mind over this burrito.
	Steak burritos are superior.
	They're fucking superior.
	Steak-like cards.
	Pasty, we're getting to it in just a moment.
	I feel like it depends on my wife where you're getting it from.
	Even my wife eats the steak fajita and the steak for even she loves chicken and she still eats the steak burrito.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	Who the fuck eats a chicken?
	All right, my pronouns are she, my pronouns are she, her now.
	I know my man card's been revoked because of my burrito preferences.
	Ash, oh, yeah, we'll do this, Ashley, in just a moment.
	Michael G, chair two.
	What's in the Trinity?
	These are below the threshold, just FYI guys.
	We're pulling them up.
	Oh, wait, there was gonna be someone asked me if I slept with a client.
	Have you?
	She's a cook.
	She's a chef.
	No, I haven't thought about it.
	Good pizza.
	I've had some fucked it up.
	In the beginning, there was like a couple because people are surprised.
	People think that, like, oh, only ugly dudes will go get help.
	But like, I have some, I have, because I do career coaching too.
	So I'll have some clients that are like gorgeous, you know, very good looking, well-to-do.
	But once you start like talking about, you know, your family life and your problems and everything, and I'm just there.
	Like, I turned it.
	Isn't that like a first date?
	Oh, yeah, true.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Good point.
	Isn't that like just a first date?
	Yeah.
	No, it's never, never.
	I have a quick question, Andrew.
	This goes way back into earlier in the podcast when you had mentioned that men do actually better interpersonally and they have really close relationships with other men and things like that.
	So, why is it when it comes to women in a relationship, they automatically go, nope, let me find somebody else.
	But with other men, you said, questionably, even with close friendships, it could be a little bit harder to keep those, like they have to work a little bit harder for those relationships.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm trying to make sure I don't know.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Wait, so if you're fine with this, Andrew, can you hold that question for later on in the show just so we can move things?
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	But I'm happy to have you ask the question a bit later.
	Guys, really quick, go to twitch on TV/slash/whatever.
	Guys, it's been 33 minutes since we last got a prime.
	I think it's bugged boys.
	33 minutes, Brian.
	I know, that's insane.
	Check if you have a Prime sub available.
	Check if you have a Prime sub.
	That's twitch.tv slash.
	You guys have like the best chorus singing voices ever.
	Oh, no.
	Let's just try this.
	Can we just?
	Hang on.
	Can we just get this?
	Can we just get this?
	It's ma'am.
	Can we just get this?
	Can we just get this, madam?
	Can we just say prime sub?
	Let's try it.
	Ready?
	On three.
	I doubt this.
	You got this.
	You're a good singer.
	I am.
	On three.
	One, two, three.
	Prime sub.
	God.
	Wait, it came together.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I'm a little surprised on that one.
	I did what I could do.
	Yeah.
	I did what I could do.
	It was good.
	It was good.
	It doesn't cost anything to prime sub.
	And you guys know you enjoy the show, so just prime sub.
	By the way, everybody out there watching right now, like this video.
	It helps boost it in the YouTube algorithm, especially as live viewership is popping off.
	Really appreciate that from everybody.
	Appreciate you guys, especially Jungle F.
	We did try to do the Prime Sub.
	I don't know.
	I think you should make that like part of your soundboard now.
	Prime sub.
	I could.
	I can't.
	That's kind of cool.
	There we go.
	This is for pasty, right?
	Yeah.
	The preferred drink, vodka soda.
	We have two.
	She loves those.
	Well, it was just.
	It was just for you, too.
	Did he give you guys the pop, though?
	Yeah, he bought it.
	Oh, I should have done it.
	He bought it.
	I'm just trying to.
	It's too pasty.
	So down the hatch, though.
	Oh, no, I can't do that.
	Bro, dude, I don't drink.
	I don't drink like that.
	We're going to try this.
	I'll drink as much as I can.
	Okay, one, two.
	Oh, oh, what the fuck?
	Oh, I already started.
	I didn't know you were going to do a counting.
	We're going to do a counting.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Three, two.
	Wait.
	Okay.
	Two, one, go.
	June shine.
	Passion fruit, vodka, and pineapple at your nearest.
	I'm just kidding.
	Please drink your June shine.
	You're manly.
	I'll drink.
	Cheers to you.
	Thank you, man.
	You're a legend.
	Passion fruit.
	We could see.
	But they wanted some.
	Can they have one?
	Pasty sweater.
	We got to be considerate to the pasty.
	Said it was just.
	But there's four in the pack, right?
	We're just going to have to drink three each.
	Wait, three.
	Oh, my God.
	Girl.
	Okay.
	Nobody's leaving here tonight.
	Okay.
	This is just not going to happen.
	This is great.
	24-hour, 24-hour strand.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what I expected tonight, but it wasn't this, and this is great.
	That's many volumes of the panel.
	I think they're trying to keep us here.
	Yeah, I know.
	I'm not sure.
	I mean, we all suck, but they're here for you.
	This is really good.
	We have a good guys over there on Twitch.
	We have Jungle here.
	They did the how, why did you give like the bullshit?
	They did the five self pretty good.
	It's okay.
	Jungle's kid $1,000.
	Pop champagne.
	Chair 3.
	We have different tastes.
	Chair 5 needs the same thing.
	Chair 3 needs 5.
	Damn.
	I was hoping he was like, get the fucking stick for the beef in the night.
	Thank you, man.
	You're a fucking legend.
	Cheers to you, Jungle F. Of course, always pour one out for my homey Jungle F into my drink.
	I poured out some liquor.
	And cheers to the Crucible crew.
	Thank you, Jungle F, for coming through big tonight.
	Really appreciate that very much.
	I think around $8,000 from Jungle.
	Who is this guy?
	None of your business.
	Hey.
	He has.
	He's my Caucasian now.
	Boy, I mean, he has to be after that.
	Is he white?
	Do you really think a black man could have that?
	No, I'm kidding.
	I'm kidding.
	Andrew Shadow.
	What did he say?
	What did he say?
	What?
	Listen, the two black lesbian women at this table will not stand for this.
	This is no.
	I've been drinking.
	I got to go have a small.
	I got to drink.
	It's not like that.
	I like the dead we need a purple can.
	They might get a purple and a purple can.
	Hey, Andrew Shradder.
	That's the lead.
	Andrew Shraddha can.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Although, baby girl is underage, though.
	Okay, never mind.
	What do we have to do?
	I have to protect you.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to remember.
	Oh, you know what?
	Here, let's do some show notes.
	We got to do the questionnaire.
	We got a bunch to get through.
	I'll try to do it quick.
	It's just been a pretty wild night here.
	Getting through to the rest of the notes, we're going back to Natalie.
	Natalie, you said you had a first date take you to a sex shop.
	I did.
	And he was also high on cocaine.
	Cocaine.
	Yes.
	What's that song by Lit?
	I'm On a Plane.
	You know that song?
	I haven't heard it in a while.
	No, I think we need to hear it.
	I'm not going to sing it.
	No, you're doing great.
	I'm on a plane on cocaine.
	That.
	I don't know.
	Lit.
	Anyway.
	Okay, whatever.
	Were you aware during the date that this was happening, or was it later that you're like, wait a second?
	Yeah, it was kind of all of a sudden I'm realizing that like he's talking a lot and his eyes are bulging.
	And I just was going with the flow.
	I was like, sure.
	I was early 20s.
	You know, I wanted to impress him and say yes to whatever.
	And we wound up at a sex shop.
	And I don't have anything wrong with that.
	I think it's great.
	On a first date, not knowing the person and watching them high on cocaine was crazy.
	What?
	No?
	You're going to eat?
	Responding to that.
	That's good.
	Dorian fruit with pasty's either trolling or yo, Christopher Murphy.
	For the gifted 20 memberships, you are a legend.
	Christopher Murphy's.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Oh, my goodness.
	They are on Fire Tonight in the chat.
	Let me play that.
	Okay, and then you were on a different date with a guy.
	You really liked him.
	He drove you up the coast to his favorite restaurant at sunset because you said you loved seafood.
	It was simple, thoughtful, effective.
	Yes.
	What sound is he?
	Yo, it's going to be like a wah-wah-wah.
	I don't know, man.
	That sounds like a lot of work.
	Oh, bitch, all these rooms.
	I don't know.
	That sounds like a lot.
	That sounds a lot.
	Unless that he likes it too.
	Like, if he was just doing it, going out of his own way.
	But I mean, he liked seafood too, and it was his favorite spot.
	It was like something that he was already going to in Malibu, you know?
	So it was like a kind of.
	Yeah.
	There you go.
	I personally think the best first date Is to have the girl come over and do your laundry.
	Absolutely.
	Just ask her and see.
	And then, if she does, and you put a ring on it, right?
	That way you don't have to like date her.
	You could just get married to her.
	You skip some steps.
	So, yeah.
	On the first date, would you guys fold laundry starting with you?
	No?
	No.
	Do you do laundry?
	For others, no.
	Into the mic.
	Into the mic.
	For others, no.
	For your perfect guy, would you fold his laundry?
	No.
	Why is this perfect guy also always asking me to do weird stuff?
	She's like, my perfect guy asked me to do that.
	I love her.
	Are your parents still together?
	Yeah.
	They're married?
	Yeah.
	In the household, like, do they both work?
	Or they both have jobs?
	What does your mom do?
	She works at a high school, but not as a teacher.
	Administration.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And what does your dad do for work?
	He used to be a high school teacher, but later he became an environmental engineer.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So you wouldn't do a what?
	Okay, not on the first date, but like you're married to the guy and he was like, hey, I'm gonna, I want to marry you, but you have to do all the household.
	No, hold on.
	You just have to do the laundry.
	All the laundry in the house.
	Would you do it?
	Like, that's only in this condition will he marry me?
	Or what is the deal?
	Like, forever?
	Like, I have to do the laundry?
	For all, there could be extenuating circumstances, like you're injured, you're extraordinarily sick, there's external problems which happen.
	And so, because of those, he does the laundry because you're unavailable to do so due to no fault of your own.
	But for the most part, you're doing the laundry.
	Is he doing the rest of the housework?
	No.
	So who does the rest of the housework?
	Are we allowed to hire it out?
	Yeah.
	Get like a maid.
	No.
	Well, and even if you could, let's just assume it would only be for the means of which you could.
	And if the means were not there, then you're doing it.
	Okay, well, I have a good example from my own life because we kind of.
	Well, but hang on.
	Let's let her answer first.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Then no.
	No.
	Who wants ice cream, by the way?
	Show of hands.
	What kind of kids just vanilla?
	This is why.
	You know, the Chinese, you know, this is why foreigners come into the United States, they get feminized, they become feminists.
	Just saying.
	They do.
	She also went to Germany, which is really good.
	Yeah, but you know, it is.
	That's true.
	But, you know, even in the United States, it's pretty bad, too.
	Yeah, but she just got here.
	You know, got here, what?
	You said two years?
	Nine months?
	No, like I remember.
	Oh, yeah.
	So Germany feminized her.
	Who would have ever thought that Germany would rank out feminists?
	You know, there are histories.
	Well, it's not really a very feminist history.
	They went like the option.
	Yeah.
	It happens.
	It happens after a world war.
	We have Christopher Murphy here.
	Hey, is the audio lower?
	Christopher Murphy.
	Way lower.
	Can we silence chair three for 15 minutes?
	It's not enough to silence.
	Was it lower?
	Oh, that's weird.
	Can we silence her for 30 minutes?
	Yeah.
	So my understanding with the it's you have to do chair three.
	Oh, you have to do it's four nine 499 for a 20-minute mute mute mic mute.
	That's the threshold if you five minutes.
	Five minutes, though.
	For 200?
	Yeah.
	I do five minutes.
	Yeah.
	I'll do five minutes for a 200 if you want to send it.
	Oh, well.
	That's fair, I guess.
	He donated a lot of subscribers.
	Does he have to say that?
	I talked a lot.
	I'm fine with that.
	Thank you.
	We'll compromise.
	Wait, no, the TTS is 200, so I don't think that's.
	Oh, yeah, that's true.
	That's not fair.
	Send in another 200.
	If you silence her life for a few minutes, if you do another 200, we'll duration of the show.
	No, no, no, for 15 minutes.
	The whole duration of what it is.
	Okay, that's fair.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Send in another one, Christopher.
	All right.
	Pasty George, Andrew enjoying his two packings and bypassing the smoke.
	Thank you, Pasty.
	I'm trying, man.
	I'm trying to do what I can do.
	Guys, if you want to get a message in, read is 100.
	TTS is 200.
	Also, if you're enjoying the stream, like the video, Vemmo Cash App, whatever pod.
	If you want 100% of your contribution, go towards us.
	Mary, you want another one?
	No, no, no.
	Me and you, you got to finish that.
	Oh, no, I can't.
	How much is even in?
	Oh, my God.
	You're fine.
	Come on.
	A little more.
	Ready?
	Give me a new one.
	What?
	You touched the lip part.
	No, I didn't.
	It's not this part.
	I'm a germaphobe.
	I'm sorry.
	Andrew.
	It's not.
	Don't take it.
	Don't be offended.
	It's not.
	If it was anybody sitting there and they touched this part, get me a new one, Mary.
	Oh, my gosh.
	It's yours now.
	Unbelievable.
	Yeah.
	Very wild.
	That's going to get fucking believable.
	I didn't even touch the lip.
	I didn't even touch the lip.
	Look, Andrew, your hand went like that.
	I understand now.
	Oh, my God.
	You got to grab, Andrew.
	You got to grab.
	Look, let me show you the proper, and then the pinky has to be out.
	Okay?
	You got to leave the pinky.
	The pinky out.
	When you drink, you got it.
	Is that good?
	We love it.
	It's so good.
	Wait, was I going to do something?
	I don't know what to do, Priscilla.
	Remember that I was going to do a voice, but I forgot it was.
	Priscilla.
	Priscilla.
	Prithilla.
	I forgot if somebody asked for that.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	All right.
	Yeah, let's do it.
	Okay, but okay, if I judge the can, if I hold it from the bottom, I can't drink like that, Andrew.
	Are you trying to get me drunk, bro?
	Kind of.
	Are you trying to a little bit?
	We got ice cream coming, by the way.
	Okay, ready?
	There we go.
	I'll finish the rest of this while Brian goes.
	I'm going to take some very feminine skin.
	This is pinky.
	Put your fucking pinky out.
	Put your fucking cup.
	I get to do it my way, but the pinky has to be.
	All right.
	Pinky out.
	All right.
	Drink it.
	Here we go.
	One, two, three.
	You probably drink faster than something.
	Oh, my God.
	Chip mud.
	Delicious.
	Oh, my.
	What the fuck is this?
	There's no bowls?
	I don't have bowls.
	We're eating out of them.
	We're eating ice cream out of the ice cream.
	Keep the ice cream going.
	Give it to her, then pass it down.
	I get first dips.
	Actually, give it to Andrew.
	Andrew gets first dips.
	Sorry.
	No offense, Sharon.
	Shannon.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Yeah, that's how you.
	Yeah.
	Andrew's been getting me.
	Andrew's been getting me.
	Those things.
	No, we know.
	Oh, we know.
	We know.
	All right.
	All right.
	First, cheers.
	That vanilla ice cream.
	It's vanilla.
	You don't like vanilla?
	Wait, put it in.
	Okay, never mind.
	I'm a fan of vanilla women, but not a vanilla ice cream, okay?
	No, give it.
	Go ahead.
	Passionate doctor.
	I guess so.
	I like chocolate ice cream.
	With the exception of my ex-wife, I like chocolate ice cream.
	Well, jungle.
	This is very good ice cream.
	Thank you, jungle.
	Oh, does it have like the vanilla bean?
	Okay.
	It's actually good.
	I feel pretty good about having the chew pack in and eating the ice cream at the same time.
	It gives it like a little bit more flavor.
	A little kick.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	We got to get back to the show.
	There's been like two hours of having fun.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, look, I want to.
	Are people having too much fun, Brian?
	Is that upsetting?
	I'm the fun please.
	Is that upsetting to you, ma'am?
	I'm the fun piece.
	We got a woman over here with a dunce cap who got her fucking mic muted.
	Thousands of dollars in super chats, right?
	You had to eat a fucking burrito.
	Now you're eating ice cream on it.
	It's just a little too little fun for Brian.
	Have you ever seen the movie Casino?
	Yes.
	There's a scene at the very beginning where they're introducing the characters.
	And I think it's trying to remember who's the character narrating.
	Joe Pesci's narrating.
	I forgot the name of his character in the film.
	Robert De Niro plays the protagonist of the film.
	I forgot his name in the movie.
	Ace.
	And his name in the movie.
	And he was running sports betting when he was younger.
	That's correct.
	And they're all making a fuck ton of money.
	I can't, I forgot exactly verbatim what he says, but Ace was making the mob, the mafia, a fuck ton of money.
	But he needed protection.
	Who put the protection on him?
	Who put the godfather put the protection of Joe Pesci on him, bro?
	But the point I was trying to make here is that in the scene, when Joe Pesci's narrating it, he says something along the lines of, and he was making money hand over fist, but he never had any fucking fun with it.
	Yeah.
	That's me.
	Hold on, let me let me know.
	What the fuck is that?
	What?
	Hold on.
	Casino, transcript.
	I don't think the guy ever had any fun with it.
	You know, he just did it methodically.
	That's basically what you're talking about.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Here, I'll read it.
	Nikki.
	But the only thing he ever directed was the casino.
	He made his first bet when he was 15 years old, and he always made money.
	But he didn't bet like you or me, you know, having some fun with it, shit like that.
	Wait, hold on.
	The fuck?
	Now it's.
	Oh my God.
	He bet like a brain surgeon.
	Wait, what?
	Ah, this isn't even.
	It's not.
	Yes, it is.
	That sounds exactly like the dialogue.
	He'd find out the kinds of inside stuff nobody else knew.
	And that's what he'd put his money on.
	Even back home years ago when we were first hanging out together, he'd know if the quarterback was on Coke, if his girlfriend was knocked up, he'd get the wind velocity so he could judge the field goals.
	He even figured out the different bounce you got off different kinds of wood they used on college basketball courts.
	You know, he'd be working on this shit day and night.
	There's nothing about a game he wasn't gonna bet that he didn't know.
	Season after season, the prick was the only guaranteed winner I ever knew, but he was so serious about it.
	All that I, all that, I don't think he wait, he was so serious about it.
	All that, I don't think he ever enjoyed himself, but that's just the way he was.
	Brian, that's me, bro.
	Did Ace need protection, Brian?
	Yeah, you also.
	Yeah, he needed protection, Brian.
	He also married a fucking degenerate.
	Did he need protection, though, Brian?
	Did he take his cowboy friend and beat his face in with a fucking phone for disrespecting Ace?
	Yes, he did.
	He did need protection.
	Yes, he did.
	Just saying.
	Just pointing this out.
	So I need fun protection?
	No, you just need to have some fun.
	Oh.
	Even Ace had some fun.
	Now, it is true that Joe Pesci started fucking Ace's girl, though.
	I'm just pointing this out.
	He did.
	Who did fuck Ace's girl?
	He did fuck Ace's girl.
	And then he got in the black book.
	But when she tried to get him to kill his best friend, he did say, like, no, I ain't gonna do that for you, you stupid bitch.
	So that was cool.
	I watched Goodfellows recently.
	Good movie.
	Great movie.
	Love that movie.
	Yeah.
	These girls don't know what we're talking about.
	No clue.
	What do you mean?
	Am I a clown?
	Am I a fucking clown?
	Bop, bop, bop.
	I've seen it.
	That's not how that scene went.
	Well, I didn't say I knew it word for word, but I've seen the movie.
	That's not how this scene went.
	Am I a clown?
	Bop, bop, bop.
	What the fuck?
	You just disrespect Shannon.
	What do you want?
	He's a lot of disrespect because he saw it two days ago and I saw it like 10 years ago.
	I know what movie you went to.
	We got Stan here.
	We got Stan here.
	Bought some two items on the shop.
	Yo, thank you so much.
	Excuse me.
	Thank you so much, man.
	I'm a big fan of Andrew's crew.
	Thank you both for what you guys do, trying to shed light on what's going on.
	Yo, Stan, thank you for the merch purchase.
	We appreciate it.
	You're a legend.
	Thank you.
	Is everybody done with the ice cream?
	Are we still done?
	I'm still working on it, man.
	I almost done.
	I'm still working on it.
	Damn.
	It's a lot of ice cream.
	Oh, no.
	We're getting fed well tonight.
	Bop, bop, bop.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God.
	The viewers are hating this.
	We got it.
	Okay.
	We got to bring it to the show.
	So, Shannon, we did all your notes.
	How are the viewers mad about us talking about casino and goodfellas?
	Well, no, that's good.
	That's good.
	But the food stuff, they're probably like, all right, guys, come on, move it on.
	You know what I mean?
	I wish I could see the chat.
	But we're talking about casino and goodfellas.
	Yeah.
	Who the fuck could ever be mad about that?
	Maybe they haven't seen it.
	What's your demographic?
	Maybe they're under a certain age.
	No, they definitely, my audience has seen a lot of stuff.
	Oh, okay.
	I don't know.
	My audience has impeccable tastes in film and cinema.
	The Crucible Crew is slightly better though.
	I'm just gonna point this out: that the Crucible is slightly better with pop culture references.
	Probably.
	Probably.
	I might be making this up, and I might be completely wrong, but I'm standing by it.
	Why is everybody up from the table?
	I don't know.
	Oh, this is supposed to be one at a time.
	Because they had fucking melted ice cream.
	They're trying to wipe their hands off, bro.
	There you go, baby.
	All right.
	All right.
	Okay, let's get into it.
	Can I have a slave, please?
	You seemed like you were very good at that before.
	You know what?
	It's not a slave of me being a mom.
	I got the mom instinct in there.
	Oh, you're a mom.
	I am a mom.
	I select all the plates.
	Hun, let me pick up your plates because that's what you do.
	Are you doing your ice cream?
	I'm done.
	Yeah.
	I can't wait to see you.
	I got you guys.
	I'm not a big fan of the sweets.
	Thanks, Philip.
	All right.
	Please press it down.
	Yeah, it gets in your bed.
	Weird.
	It's no good.
	Okay, guys.
	I'm taking that.
	You've got a mellow the whole night.
	Chat, we're going to get right.
	We're going to get into some good stuff.
	All right.
	Mary, get on the computer, please.
	All right.
	We're going to do a quick react.
	Then we're going to do.
	I need everybody back at the table, though.
	Hello?
	All right.
	So, guys, I'm going to have you react to this this show.
	Wait, hang on.
	Before you do that, sit down.
	Where's the fucking hat?
	It's right here.
	Yeah, it's not on.
	It's not working.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Can somebody get the propeller spinning, please?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Okay, now you can.
	There you go.
	Could you take that water off the table there?
	Just leave it on the side or something.
	All right.
	Mary, pull up the React.
	Yeah, we're going to react to this.
	This went viral on Twitter.
	This is this guy's Tinder profile.
	Why are you already laughing?
	The fish.
	What the fuck?
	Why are you already laughing?
	No, you ain't laughing about the fish.
	No, I am.
	You're foolish.
	I really was laughing about the fish.
	Make a big experience.
	Fucking bullshit.
	Too big.
	Are we rating profiles?
	I'm not sure what we're doing.
	So, okay.
	Well, let me explain.
	Let me explain it.
	So there's this app called Tinder Insights, and you can input your Tinder data and it'll pop out your like swipes.
	So he swiped 2 million.
	I'll repeat that 2 million times.
	He right swiped.
	Yeah, 2 million.
	He matched with 2,000, only 2,000 women.
	He chatted with 1,200 of them.
	He went on one singular date that led to nothing.
	So 2 million swipes for nothing.
	Hang on.
	I got to ask a question.
	Sure.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	If it is the case that this poor bastard did this, I still want to go fishing with him.
	Like, would the whatever podcast link with the crucible so we can go fishing with this guy?
	Who is he?
	Fine.
	Who the fuck cares?
	Let's go fishing.
	Oh, you just, I thought you wanted to go fishing with him.
	Yeah, I want to go fishing with him.
	I thought you just wanted to.
	Okay.
	Yeah, we'll do it.
	Let's do it.
	We got to find the guy.
	We got to find the guy.
	That's really sweet.
	We got to find the guy.
	Christopher Murphy, Streamlabs doesn't process Amex, communist.
	Chair three is muted.
	Chair three.
	Do you know how to mute Mary?
	You've already been gone for like 10 minutes.
	You know what?
	She has some self-control.
	I think she can self-mute.
	Yeah.
	Can you self-mute for 15 minutes?
	So it's 95.
	Mary, let us know in 15 minutes.
	Oh my God, shut up.
	Fucking ridiculous.
	15 minutes.
	That's all we had.
	We asked for 15 minutes.
	Holy shit.
	All right.
	So, ladies.
	Reaction to the little thing I just showed you.
	It's really shitty.
	Dating apps are terrible, I think, for finding your, like, let's be for real.
	Wait, this almost remember the conversation we had earlier when it came to like dating easier for or have getting sex easier for women?
	So let's pull it back up really quick.
	Look.
	That's a really big fish, by the way.
	Look, he's honestly, here's the thing: his female equivalent, she'd be a massive slud.
	Huge slut.
	100-plus body count.
	This poor guy swipes 2 million times.
	Nothing.
	Nothing.
	Was he in the fishing boat, you think?
	Was he in a fishing boat?
	When he was 2 million fucking times, dude.
	Can you imagine doing this 2 million years?
	It does say like five and a half years.
	I mean, if you're swipe, I'm going to follow the time on there.
	One date after five and a half years.
	No, no.
	No.
	That's why dating.
	You're not paying attention.
	What the fuck?
	It didn't say one date.
	He went on one date.
	Yeah.
	One date, but that was it.
	Maybe I'm not paying attention.
	It's the alcohol.
	There was one date, but there was no spark.
	So I'm assuming he went on the date.
	And then, but it didn't go anywhere.
	Right.
	Two fucking million times.
	Two million times.
	I think it's the fish photo.
	Oh, no, heart of the film.
	No, the fish photo.
	You think you're lighting the fish photo?
	Look, I'm about to say this, right?
	I'm about to say this.
	Y'all saying it's the fish, right?
	Here would maybe be the equivalent for a dude.
	So you're a white woman with like multiple in your bio.
	Wait, why are you making racial, bro?
	Because he's a bad person.
	I feel like it's appropriate.
	Okay, that's fine.
	That's fair.
	That checks me.
	Go ahead.
	Actually, I probably thank you for that.
	I would bring it there.
	You have a woman.
	A woman.
	There we go.
	She's got Tinder profile with three kids in her photos.
	And she's like, yo, I got three separate baby daddies.
	I'm looking for the fourth.
	Like, I think in women's minds, like, that would be the equivalent for the fish photo.
	Exceptional.
	You can do dumpster fishing.
	In Brian's defense.
	In Brian's defense, that one will get way more dates.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Way more dates.
	So maybe for the wrong reasons.
	I think more women want to do that.
	Well, yeah, because men just want to connect.
	Like, that's kind of like an inside between women.
	Like, if a guy has a fish photo, I feel like a lot of, I've heard a lot of women talk about how they wouldn't go for a guy if he has like fish photos on his Instagram.
	Why?
	Not me, but I just have heard.
	I think it's just like, yeah, it's like an ongoing.
	Kind of like a joke.
	Yeah.
	Well, I don't know.
	What the hell is wrong with this?
	It's so common.
	It's so common.
	It's common.
	Did you see the size of the fish?
	That was not common.
	That was not common.
	It's an impressive.
	It's an impressive fish.
	Impressive sized fish to be able to reel in.
	He reel in the fish.
	You're like, oh, this guy likes fishing.
	Fuck this guy.
	No.
	Like, what the fuck did he do?
	You have only so much.
	You know what, dude?
	That guy looks like the type who catches the fish and then releases it.
	He does look like that.
	See, I'm the fucking type of brick.
	I pull up those giant fish and I'm like, I ain't putting it back.
	Fuck you.
	There's no way I'm putting that back.
	What are you going to do with that big ass fish?
	Well, I just listen.
	I'm not going to even do anything with it.
	But it's mine.
	You see how that way?
	It's like, it's mine, though.
	So I'm like, I don't need to do anything with it.
	It's fuck.
	I caught it.
	It's fucking mine.
	That's how that's supposed to be.
	Photo with it and then post it on a dating app.
	It's kind of like a bad thing.
	It's like their hobby.
	It's like their hobby.
	They're expressing their hobby.
	They like fishing.
	We're taking that guy out for fishing trips.
	Let's do it.
	The Crucible's taking that guy out for a fishing trip.
	Also, can we do this?
	I don't know if you saw this on Twitter.
	It's not dating related, but this poor kid looked like a nine or ten year old got beat up in a playground by like a couple people.
	Shiloh.
	Huh?
	Shiloh.
	Shiloh?
	No, nothing.
	No, no, no.
	Nothing.
	Shiloh.
	There's this poor kid, like a little chubby, chubby kid.
	He got like, some kids were making fun of him.
	Or they were throwing.
	I forgot.
	Were they throwing rocks at his dog?
	I forgot.
	I forgot what it was.
	And then these kids, he confronted them, and then one kid jumped him.
	And then another, it was like a two-on-one.
	And he was all bleeding and shit.
	I kind of want to do something for that kid.
	If anybody who's watching who knows what it is, whatever.
	And then a bunch of people on Twitter saw, and all these MMA fighters offered them jujitsu lessons.
	So we can maybe back some of those MMA fighters up if they help this kid out.
	Yes.
	I saw that.
	That was that little portly kid who was in a fair fight and they got knocked out from behind.
	It wasn't even a fair fight because the first one is a cheap shot.
	And then another kid came in.
	Yeah, another cheap shot.
	Totally fucked up.
	He was crying.
	It was cheap.
	It was sad.
	At least fight fair, you know?
	Yeah, one-on-one.
	Yeah.
	It's stupid.
	Mary, pull it back up really quick.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	The panel.
	I want you guys to give him a looks rating on a scale of one to ten.
	And don't lie.
	Don't fucking look race.
	Starting with you, give him a looks rating, scale of one to ten.
	I think he's an attractive guy.
	I would say, like, am I allowed to say seven for them?
	We can't say seven for ourselves, but can I say that for him?
	You're going to go on a date with him?
	I am taken, but if I was single, honestly, I'd be interested.
	If I were single, he's someone I would have swiped.
	You know what I feel like?
	I feel like because you got the backstory here, that if I see what Brian should have done, just pulled this up and said, what do you rate him?
	I think it would have been a two.
	But because you have the backstory, you don't want to feel like there's pressure on you.
	He's more like you would be a monster.
	I wouldn't give him a two.
	I mean, to other women, I know he might be a two, but I mean, do you see what I'm saying, Brian?
	I feel like if the story wasn't told, the ratings would be different.
	That's true.
	What do you rate him on a scale of one to ten?
	Oh, he's like a six.
	Oh, dude.
	Oh, is the mute?
	Oh, I guess we got to skip it.
	Okay.
	Party.
	I give him the three.
	The roof.
	The three?
	Okay.
	I think they were going to judge me.
	I give him three.
	Probably like four or five.
	Okay.
	He looks like he gives good hugs.
	I don't know why that the awful thing is.
	That's not what I fucking hug to hear, but okay.
	Dude, does anybody rate based on hugs?
	I do.
	No, you come on.
	I love hugs.
	Okay, wait.
	Give me a fucking break.
	Oh, you know what?
	I can't wait to go.
	He looks like he gets good hugs.
	Are we rating strictly on looks, though?
	Because I can take personality.
	Yeah, just looks.
	Which we're just rating all the time.
	Just looks and what you saw.
	You are swiping, I don't know, whichever way fucking women swipe on these apps, but you come across this, you see him.
	Which way are you swiping?
	I don't know, the next.
	The next.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	What do you rate him?
	I would say four.
	Four?
	Okay.
	He's kind of nerdy.
	I like nerds, but I give him like a five.
	Give him a five.
	Okay.
	You like hugs?
	Hold on.
	You know what I do?
	He's a really good hugger.
	Brian, does any man ever want to hear?
	You look like you give great hugs.
	Oh, anybody?
	No, come on.
	That's terrible.
	Why is that a bad thing?
	Why is that a bad thing?
	Because what the man wants to hear is like, you look like you plant my face in the pillow.
	They don't want to hear, oh, you look like you give good fucking hugs.
	Imagine me opening this.
	It sounds friend zoning.
	It's like a woman.
	It does sound friend zoning.
	It's like a woman saying he would make a great husband.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's brutal.
	Oh, wait.
	That's not a compliment.
	No.
	No, no.
	It all has to be.
	Because what that sounds like is like, I wouldn't say that.
	I wouldn't fuck you, but you do seem like you're a good husband material, so I will fuck you.
	So, but don't men kind of judge that way too?
	Like, that looks like a whatever.
	I'm going to try for that.
	I'm going to fuck her, but I want to marry this girl because she looks like a good one.
	I think that men's criteria and what they want in a wife is way less than what the criteria is for what women want in a husband.
	This isn't so deep.
	No, no.
	Well, it's not just a matter of looks.
	I think that men look for maternal instinct.
	Okay.
	I think that they're looking for like women who could be really good mothers for their kids.
	So like if I were to see you and I saw the tats and this and that, I'd be again, no offense, but I'd instantly make the presupposition, you're going to be a fucking terrible mom.
	Fuck that shit.
	But my priority is also children, right?
	Other men might look at you and think, ah, it should be a fun ride, right?
	Okay.
	Literally, amusement park, fun ride.
	The question becomes this, though.
	You know, kind of like all things equal, I think that men's standards for what they're looking for in wives is a much lower standard than what wives are looking for for husbands.
	It's like, what are you looking for if you had perfect husband?
	Are you married right now?
	I'm single.
	Right, right.
	I was single.
	So let's go: perfect husband versus perfect wife.
	What does that look like?
	Perfect husband versus perfect wife.
	Yeah, so your perfect husband is what?
	I think that that's somebody who is a provider, not just for myself, but for the family, the house.
	The provider, sure.
	The provider is a sure.
	Somebody who is leading by example, somebody who's looking out for us to maybe correct us.
	That would be strong moral character, right?
	Yes, strong moral character.
	Strong moral character and provider.
	What next?
	Somebody who provides some emotional support in that sense, I think, because I also bring some financial to the table.
	But even if I didn't obviously be able to understand me to undergo, just like you were talking about earlier, with the whole once a month, you're going to have to.
	You're out with your husband.
	A guy walks over, a rando, and he grabs your ass.
	Your husband got to knock that fucker out, right?
	In my opinion.
	He's got to, right?
	In my opinion, yes.
	Yeah, he's got to.
	So, but I think that comes with being the leader, the protector.
	So it's not just a matter of provider, right?
	Protect her in the home, but it's also a matter of protector outside of the home.
	Other people come.
	Of myself and of our home.
	Of course, of course.
	So he's got to be strong and a little bit tough, right?
	He's got to be, so there's actually a little bit more criteria here, isn't there?
	Okay.
	What is he looking for in you?
	I don't know what he's looking for.
	You don't know what he's looking for.
	No.
	What is he looking for for me to just be?
	I'm asking you, what is he looking for?
	What is this guy who's a great provider?
	He's fucking epic.
	A guy grabs your ass out in the club.
	He's going to knock him the fuck out.
	What's he get?
	I mean, I would reciprocate as much as I can on every other level.
	I mean, I can't beat up somebody.
	No, I'm not asking you to beat up somebody.
	What does he get, which is similar to what you're getting?
	Loyalty.
	You expect loyalty from him.
	Yes.
	That's not something new you're bringing to the table.
	Okay.
	Him knocking a motherfucker out is something you can't do, right?
	Okay.
	So what is physical?
	Yeah.
	So without the equalization, you say loyalty, you're going to get loyalty from a guy.
	Maybe loyalty brings in a lot of other things.
	We talked about being submissive or subservient.
	I know a lot of people take that as a negative, but it's like, I'm not really sure.
	I've never really.
	Right.
	Not really sure.
	I'm not really sure because as you guys have said, it doesn't take a lot more.
	It doesn't.
	Men don't want to.
	Oh, so the standard is lower.
	I'm not saying the standard is lower.
	It sure sounds like you're saying that.
	I'm not saying the standard is lower.
	I'm just saying I've never really thought about that because literally I've never.
	But men always think about that.
	That's what's so interesting.
	I don't think men always think about that.
	Yeah, they actually do.
	They think about things almost starting in a transactional rate, right?
	Like, what do I get versus what you get?
	And then they move into what they'll settle for versus what they won't settle for, right?
	You, what you get is the privilege of saying, I've never really thought about that.
	Isn't that kind of like slightly problematic?
	It's not, but personally, it's not only because personally, I'm not actively dating or searching for my ideal person.
	Have I thought about it maybe?
	You've dated plenty, right?
	I've dated, sure.
	I've dated.
	And it's still never crossed your mind.
	I don't think it's afraid.
	Okay.
	It's still never crossed my mind.
	No, no.
	It's not that it's never crossed my mind.
	I think it's just in a way, like, so I'm going to take it a couple steps back to where when I was married, I kind of had my role switched where I was the one financially providing.
	I was the one, you know, my husband.
	Like a good wife.
	Like a good wife.
	There's going to be times occasionally.
	Perhaps your husband's sick.
	Perhaps he has problems.
	I'm saying for the majority of my marriage, I was the one that did that.
	So I think roles because I actually don't want to get into the details.
	Okay, okay.
	But whatever the reason is, my point is, from my perspective.
	You did choose that man, though.
	I did, but I think I felt years into it that there could have been forms of manipulation or masking.
	And when kids come into the world, I'll just grant it all.
	I'll just grant it all.
	Okay.
	But you move forward, right?
	So you're moving forward.
	How could it be possible that you can tell me what your value is or the value of women are?
	But when I ask you the opposition, like, what is it that the man's getting on par?
	You're confused and don't know.
	Because she doesn't have to.
	Hang on.
	Let her answer.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	It's okay.
	Can you say that to me one more time?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What were you confused about?
	You said I'm confused.
	I'm not really sure.
	I think because I've never been in a relationship.
	I haven't gone past a few dates.
	I know you don't like the word trauma, but maybe I was a little traumatized from my marriage that I don't really know what a strong person should look like in a maybe traditional, more conservative type of relationship, which is something I would like to seek based off of hearsay and other people's anecdotal kind of situations.
	But I think that's why it's harder for me to say because I'm not sure.
	Let's pretend that we take you and we take you out of your skin and we put you in a man's skin, right?
	Okay.
	So women supposedly are great in empathy.
	I've never thought so.
	I've always thought men were more empathetic and I have great reasoning ability to demonstrate they're more empathetic, but I'm just going to leave it and assume for a second women are actually more empathetic.
	Just because you lead with empathy doesn't mean you're actually more empathetic from my view.
	But here's what I would say.
	Let's take you.
	We're going to put you in a man's skin.
	You swipe across yourself at like 35.
	You're a 35-year-old man.
	You've been in the dating field, this and that.
	I look at you.
	What do I see?
	I see.
	Let's start with negatives.
	Okay, negatives.
	Okay, you're really asking me to look at myself.
	So looking at me.
	Yeah, I'm really asking.
	Hold on, let me put myself out, right?
	Okay, if I'm a guy.
	So hang on.
	Let me, let me, let me, let's do this again.
	I want to make sure there's no confusion.
	Okay.
	You are supposing in your mind, hypothetically, you're a man tomorrow.
	You wake up, you have your same mind, everything else, and you're looking to date.
	You swipe across yourself.
	What are the negative things you see?
	I think the first thing is going to be age.
	What is this person doing on a dating app at her age?
	What age is that?
	I'm 38.
	Okay.
	So, but I'm not on dating apps.
	There's plenty of 40-year-olds on dating apps.
	There are.
	There are plenty of people.
	So, what are the negatives?
	Okay, so I think for men, that would be a negative.
	I feel like a lot of men look for younger women.
	So that would be one.
	Okay.
	I think depending on the person, I know you mentioned tattoos.
	That could be something.
	I got my tattoos with my man.
	I am a man in this.
	In this hypothetical, what do you see when you see the tattoos on the sleeves and the arms?
	Tell me what you see as a man.
	I don't know.
	I just, you don't know.
	The reason why I'm telling you this is because, you know, I'm looking.
	What type of tattoos does she have?
	Maybe the person that I'm looking for will be similar to me.
	I have anime tattoos on me.
	I have, you know what I mean?
	Like, these are all, this is from video gaming.
	Maybe she's a little bit of a nerd.
	If I'm being observant, if I don't like tattoos, if I don't like tattooing.
	You got seven fucking seconds that you're looking at these.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Seven seconds looking at this profile.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If that.
	Okay.
	So three seconds.
	What do I see?
	I'm you.
	What do I see?
	Let me actually take this back because you're like, let's look at the negatives.
	But if I start.
	Hang on, hang on.
	But if I'm going to all the positives, forget the positives.
	I just want to see the negatives first.
	Forget all the negatives.
	No, fucking bullshit.
	No, no.
	Bullshit, cope.
	Start with the negative.
	It's actually not a cope.
	What I'm trying to tell you is: I'm looking as a guy going on a dating app.
	Yeah.
	They probably would see me as, oh, she's showing skin.
	Maybe the age I can put to the side.
	Okay, age just shows the side.
	So age, okay?
	So, okay, she's showing skin.
	What does the skin?
	Let's start.
	We're going to do it.
	Hang on.
	We're going to do one at a time.
	Which can be seen as a negative.
	What is the skin?
	What do you think the skin is signifying to the guy?
	I think she's, you know, comfortable with showing herself a little bit.
	She's probably a little bit more outgoing.
	She's not going to be.
	Does it signify permiscuity, maybe?
	I think for a majority of men, yes.
	Okay, so we got that.
	What's next?
	What's the next negative?
	I don't know.
	That's it?
	Those are all the negatives.
	You show a little bit of skin.
	That's it.
	That's the only thing they see in the dating profile.
	I have seven seconds.
	I'm seeing age.
	I'm seeing skin.
	I'm seeing tattoos.
	If you don't like the tattoos, maybe, I mean, I don't want to necessarily say, but maybe racially, not their preference.
	Hang on, let's back up.
	I want to show you something that's interesting, and I think you'll agree.
	Okay.
	There's many, many videos, many videos of an infant dropping from a high altitude off of like a rail or something like that, and a man catching, and a man catching them.
	Okay.
	Or even a woman catching them.
	Okay.
	Now, think about this.
	An infant falls off of like a four-story balcony.
	You have how many seconds?
	You just have to react.
	Like that, right?
	But all of the things that are processing in that microsecond is like, this kid's going to die.
	Here's what's going on.
	You can process so much information in a microsecond.
	Okay.
	But we can't do that with a dating app.
	I just.
	Hang on.
	We can do that with a dating app.
	We can spend less than seven seconds on.
	Right.
	So if that is the case, right?
	And I can make a microcosm decision as to when to die for that infant, processing all that information in a nanosecond, right?
	And catch it.
	You should be able to tell me what you see as the negative within that same nanosecond about yourself.
	I guess I don't, I told you the biggest thing that I think would be a negative.
	The biggest things because it's like a quick thing is the age and the showing of skin.
	Those are the biggest things.
	Tattoos, no?
	I did mention tattoos in case someone doesn't.
	So that's the third negative.
	Anything else?
	It could be a negative.
	Anything else?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Now, if we pull that picture up, let's do this as an experiment.
	Brian, where are you?
	Pull the picture back up of the fisherman.
	Okay.
	I want to show you something interesting.
	We got three things from you.
	Okay.
	Right.
	Don't bullshit us.
	Are we talking about it?
	Every you got three seconds to evaluate.
	Give me all the negatives and tell the truth.
	They'll see right through it if you don't.
	Tell us the truth.
	What do you see?
	The only negatives that I can see, and I'll be honest, are the fact that he might be overweight.
	Okay, he's overweight.
	What else?
	That's it.
	He's got, other than that, he's got a great smile.
	He has good energy.
	Yes, he's got a big ass fish.
	I've gone fishing.
	I know what that's about.
	Nice background.
	All mostly positives.
	The biggest thing is that he might be overweight.
	Not my type.
	That's it, huh?
	Yeah.
	There's nothing else.
	Let me see what it said on the thing.
	If I actually take the time to read it, because most guys won't read what's on the bio.
	If I'm not home, you can find me at the lake.
	There you go.
	So because he's single, he spends time on the lake fishing.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So did the chat see through that?
	It does sound a bit copish, but okay.
	What do you mean when you say copish?
	I know you've mentioned that even earlier.
	I'm just saying.
	So like cope is the idea that you know that there's some type of problem, but you refuse to acknowledge it.
	So you give excuses for the problem.
	That's called cope, right?
	Okay.
	So what would you say about him then?
	There's more that you see about that.
	Oh, man.
	I could give a laundry list.
	In fact, let me just make it even easier.
	I'll give a laundry list about me, right?
	Okay.
	I'm fucking old, right?
	I'm set in my ways.
	I got a fucking beer gut, right?
	I mean, what do you think about it?
	I'm literally, hang on, I'm literally, I'm literally fucking abrasive.
	I don't give a shit what most people think.
	But even just off of a picture, if I give, put my best self forward, right?
	It would still be something akin to like some interest that I had or some shit like that.
	And he would still look at it and be like, well, he's old, right?
	Maybe his teeth are a little crooked.
	Maybe his eyebrow is a little too kirked.
	Whatever the fuck it is, there would be all kinds of things that you could associate with me just on a picture look that would disqualify me instantly, right?
	Now, you don't get to see the fact that I am extraordinarily charming and charismatic, but what you would see is just the picture image, right?
	And that's it.
	And there's no fucking way that all of that is not processing the same time you look at that guy with that fish.
	There's just no way.
	I think if I'm looking at it in a split second and going, this guy is not my type, I'm not thinking about it.
	Exactly.
	But I also don't think.
	It's intuitive, right?
	It's sure.
	I'm not thinking all the other things.
	By the way, this isn't a dunk on you.
	No, no, no, no.
	And I'm not taking it that way.
	And again, as I've said, I think that you got two babies?
	Wow.
	There's twins.
	Brian.
	Those are two.
	Twins, Brian.
	Twins.
	Yeah, but I mean, if you'll note, two separate fathers.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean.
	It's not the same dad.
	Well, no.
	How can they be twins?
	What?
	I don't know.
	What do you mean?
	Okay.
	Have you ever heard of a recessive gene, you fucking racist?
	This is fucking ridiculous.
	It's not a recessive gene.
	Drink it or dispose of a killer.
	I think my biggest thing, though, is I think that dating apps are terrible.
	I haven't done dating apps.
	I don't think that if I met that personated $1,000.
	I thought he went to the house.
	Pop champagne.
	So my wife asked, and I accepted.
	She says that her attraction to me was my vast humor and stunning decisiveness.
	I lead, she follows.
	And she agrees.
	What a legend.
	Chair 5 has to put on the hat.
	Chair 5 gets the hat.
	Give her the hat.
	Give her the hat.
	And I'm going to do a little freebie for jungle here.
	I put on the shit.
	Holy shit.
	Wait, this was.
	I accidentally triggered it twice.
	I accidentally, but now I want to see it.
	What?
	Well, now you did the did to did to dead.
	Now I want to see what the chat was, even if you triggered it twice.
	It was the same one.
	Yeah, I want to see it.
	You want me to trigger that?
	Yeah, I triggered it.
	All right, I'll trigger it again.
	Why not?
	All right.
	Here, I got to do a freebie.
	It's coming up in just a sec.
	Fuck.
	I think it's super cute.
	You get to wear a Pokemon hat the rest of the show.
	There we go.
	Ash's hat.
	That's Ash.
	She wants to be the very best.
	Whoa.
	So my wife asked.
	There we go.
	Felicity.
	Pop champagne.
	Come on, Felicity.
	So my wife asked, and I accepted.
	She says that her attraction to me was my vast humor and stunning decisiveness.
	Oh, never mind.
	She follows her.
	Not paying attention.
	This chair five has to put on the hat.
	Jungle.
	Thank you.
	You're a legend, sir.
	Okay, let's hear.
	Oh, man.
	Everybody gets up when I'm trying to do some person.
	It's one person.
	But I got it.
	The segment has to, it's like a go-around-the-table segment here.
	You know what?
	I'll come back to it.
	She barely speaks English anyway.
	True.
	Okay.
	Here, Shannon, getting into your notes, we're going to do some stuff from here.
	What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband?
	I said 100,000.
	Well, I'm with someone who I'm hoping to get married to.
	So I'm hoping between $100,000 to $150,000.
	Okay, what about you?
	Same?
	Close to three, yeah, like $300,000.
	$300,000.
	Have you ever been with someone who made $300,000?
	Currently.
	So I'm going to go ahead and get it.
	I feel like she makes $300,000.
	What does she do for work?
	She owns several businesses.
	She works in aviation as well.
	Do you guys have a mansion?
	Not yet.
	Working on that.
	Well, here's the thing, though.
	Forgive.
	Forgive my forgive my skepticism.
	But I do okay for myself.
	Just a little bit.
	I do okay for myself.
	Even here, even here, if you have the combined income you're talking about, like it's even 300 to 600,000 per year, I would think you would have a really big sprawling pad, right?
	Well, we've only been together six months and we have eight kids.
	So that's eight kids?
	Eight kids?
	Wait, what, what?
	I said that earlier.
	I hate anybody called it all missing.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, let's rewind that.
	I have two boys.
	She has six.
	Biological.
	Like your kids.
	That's right.
	And six of hers.
	So even though our income is pretty great.
	So you've all hopped up on the old pogo stick a few times.
	A time or two.
	Wait, your household is polyamorous?
	No, not currently.
	No, no, it's just me and her.
	How many of your kids live with you guys?
	Well, hers are older.
	The first two or three are like grown.
	Okay, we have everybody at the table.
	Oh, we were going.
	Okay, we'll go around on that, then we'll get to the other thing.
	All right.
	Minimum income for your future husband?
	As much as me.
	Which is what?
	Over 300K.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I say 75K, just not in California.
	Okay.
	I'm good with that.
	What about you?
	60 to 70K.
	You said 100K.
	I said 100K?
	100K.
	60.
	Well, you said 60K to 100K.
	What?
	60 to 100K.
	Oh, well, it doesn't matter.
	I don't know why I wrote 100K, but 60%.
	What about you?
	3,000 promise.
	You said 36,000 a year.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Reasonable.
	That's very more than reasonable.
	Nobody understands mathematics.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	We have, or wait, before we do Stiffler, everybody stay at the table while I read these.
	Christopher Murphy, Andrew's hair is top tier Chad.
	Agreed.
	I agree.
	It's very nice.
	I'm not bald.
	Holy shit.
	It's lovely.
	He's got great flow.
	It is.
	MAGA Ramble.
	Hey, thank you so much for the super chat, man.
	Andrew, I have a boat in Fort Lauderdale.
	It's Mahi season.
	Come on down.
	Also, women don't like me.
	Fish.
	Is he a pirate?
	Women don't like me fish pigs.
	No, no, no, no.
	What the fuck was that voice?
	Okay.
	Women don't like me fish pigs.
	I was like, that's the right way, dude.
	I was like a leprechaun.
	Yeah, what the fuck?
	I get leprechauns and pirates.
	It's women don't like me fish pics.
	Women don't like me officially.
	What the fuck is what?
	You just took it.
	It made it twice as cringe as the first time.
	I'm trying to think of like...
	Slap of the bass.
	Slap of the bass.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Because they hate men, haven't hobbies they can't control.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	I don't have a problem with the fishing thing.
	Maybe the fish thing is the same.
	But fishing is so much doper, but it's like women with fake nails, especially the long ones.
	Maybe that's like the equivalent.
	Like men don't get that shit.
	Really?
	You know what I mean?
	Like the new Oblivion came out, the new Oblivion game, and it's remastered, and I couldn't wait to get my hands on it.
	And man, what I rolled was epic.
	I made my own class.
	It's called a paladin class, and it literally focuses on restoration and blade and a few other things.
	And it's not in the game.
	Is that 33?
	Yeah, don't fuck up my monologue.
	So we get in, we get into Oblivion, right?
	I got it.
	My wife comes out and she's like, honey, what are you doing?
	I said, it's Oblivion.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	And she was like, absolutely.
	And I sat down and I played it for 13 fucking hours straight and I wasn't done.
	I couldn't wait the next day.
	And she was like, don't you have to stream?
	And I was like, yeah, probably, but I'm playing fucking Oblivion, right?
	And it's remastered.
	And this is awesome.
	So here's the thing.
	My question, right?
	The ultimate question.
	If your man's playing Oblivion, do you shut the fuck up and leave him alone?
	You got to shut the fuck up.
	They're making 100K.
	Fuck the weekend.
	I did the equivalent of calling in sick.
	I was like, I'm moving the fucking stream.
	I'm playing Oblivion more to be fuck off.
	Looks like a new game.
	Yeah, so good.
	So good.
	Guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drop it a subscrie sub, like the video, memo, cash out, whatever.
	Podcast.
	Do you play Obivians?
	Yes.
	What?
	Do you play Oblivion?
	I saw the trailer for the remastered.
	Get it.
	It's good.
	I played it like way back, like, originally, briefly, though I didn't get to.
	I was more World of Horror, you know?
	Okay, guys, Stiffler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10.
	You can't pick seven starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so last time I was on, I said six or six and a half.
	And apparently, I'm incorrect to your audience.
	So I'll go down to a five.
	All right.
	Was I too mean before?
	Do you think I was too mean?
	You did laugh.
	You weren't here in person, so I think it was depersonalized.
	I don't blame you.
	I'm not mad at you.
	I still agree with my former position, even though I'm here in person.
	There is no possible way you can give yourself that assertion.
	A five?
	No way.
	I mean, I see myself in the dating pool.
	I am partnered, so clearly.
	Let's all right before we get into it, why don't we have everybody go?
	Eight and a half.
	Okay, there you go.
	Eight and a half.
	There you go.
	Now you got to do it.
	You got to answer the question.
	Is she passed her?
	Oh, no, the mute's over.
	Oh, it is?
	Yeah, damn.
	I was enjoying the shit out of that.
	So were we.
	Yeah.
	How are you guys?
	It was great.
	Five.
	Okay.
	A six.
	Okay.
	A 10.
	Oh, wait.
	Did it on this?
	Was it on this angle when she said?
	Oh, okay.
	Ten?
	Okay.
	Yes.
	7.5.
	6.
	Andrew, what do you give yourself?
	I don't know.
	Fucking three or two.
	So over here, though, I got to ask you to the 10.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	I just want to be sure: do you think you're the prettiest girl at the table?
	Obviously not.
	No.
	That's weird.
	How come I?
	I'm pretty sure myself.
	Yeah, but I'm pretty sure.
	What was the question, though?
	Our own looks on a scale of one to 10.
	Can't pick seven.
	I chose 10.
	Our own.
	Oh.
	But I don't understand.
	You consider yourself to be a 10 by your own scale, but you consider that there's other women at the table who are more attractive than you who lower their own rates for themselves.
	That's what they think of themselves, but this is what I think of myself.
	I personally think I'm a 10.
	I'm not saying I'm the 10 out of everyone, but somebody spin the helicopter on.
	All right.
	Well, let me ask you.
	Let me ask you this.
	It's actually an important question.
	And there's a reason.
	We think we're answering for like what you would think general population.
	Well, here's the thing that's interesting, right?
	Like objective.
	Well, everything moves into the perception.
	The question being asked itself is just a determined delusion.
	Very simple, right?
	So we could assume that if I asked every fan that I walked across, rate yourself on a scale of one to 10 by looks.
	How would you rate yourself?
	I think that the majority of men I came across would rate themselves somewhere between a four and a six, even if they were very good looking.
	For instance, there's a man right now who's watching this podcast.
	Guarantee it.
	His name is Jake.
	He's better looking than from the female standard, all of you.
	And from the male standard, all of us, right?
	He would never rate himself a fucking 10 in a million years.
	The question becomes: why do you?
	Is it because, A, you misheard the question?
	Because I don't think you did because you repeated it.
	Or B, is it because you have a false sense of security when it comes to your own looks?
	I don't have a false sense of security.
	I think I'm attractive to myself.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	So, if there was 100 men and they were all in an audience and you went up in front of the audience and they had to rate you, right behind them, all of the women on this panel came behind you, and then they gave their ratings after, where would they place you?
	I don't know.
	What do you think, though?
	I'm not sure.
	Of course, you're not sure.
	That's why I'm just asking you for what your subjective opinion would be.
	I don't know.
	You don't know your own subjective opinion out of a group?
	No.
	Okay.
	If it's other people rating me, I don't know what they would think.
	Well, let me ask a different question for all the women who were here.
	I'm asking for honesty.
	Not sure I'll get it, but I am asking for it.
	When all of you sat down and you made an assessment of your surroundings, as human beings tend to do, did you at any point scale things on the sense of like, her hair is nice?
	Her body's nice.
	Her skin is nice.
	I wish I had eyebrows like hers.
	I wish I had eyelashes like hers.
	Did any of you make those assessments?
	Sure.
	Can you raise your hand if you did?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	I think it's just like naturally when you're like meeting new people and that's like the first thing that you know about them.
	You just kind of go off of your looks.
	Fair.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	I think that's because that's what people, like she said, it's what you, your first impression of a person, it's what you see.
	And we are just by nature, we can do we do comparisons like that.
	Why?
	Yeah, just natural.
	It's instinct.
	Same?
	Same.
	I like looking at people.
	I think I'm not very happy with my own body image.
	So you compare yourself to others.
	Yeah.
	Fair.
	Just acknowledging other people.
	Just acknowledging.
	Okay.
	We forgot to rate ourselves, by the way.
	No, he did.
	Your rating?
	What?
	We forgot to rate ourselves, if I recall.
	I rated myself.
	Oh, did I forget?
	You gave myself a five.
	Okay, sorry.
	Sorry.
	So, well, I didn't forget, Brian.
	But anyway, back to this.
	So the very idea to me then becomes: all of you made assessments in comparison to the other women who were there.
	And if you're making those comparisons, did any of you, let me just ask this by a hand raise, sit at the table and think that there were other women at the table who were more attractive than you by a hand raise.
	Go ahead and raise your hand if that's the case.
	That makes sense to me as well.
	So when we get to the rating system, what do you think we're asking here?
	Like, what do you think we're asking here?
	Clearly, there's a diametric difference and distinction between the looks of some of the women on this panel versus others.
	It's not even an insult.
	There's massive differences in looks between the men who are here right now.
	Obviously, I'm very much better looking than Brian.
	But the point.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the point is, right, is that obviously there's distinctions here.
	So, so on that assessment, understanding that that is the case, understanding that you even grant that you were making those judgments, would any of your self-ratings change by a show of hands?
	No.
	Not a single one.
	No, no.
	Okay.
	I said what I'll say.
	Okay, well, I got, you know, I got some stuff I want to say.
	Do you guys ever carry the show, Andrew?
	Don't carry the show, Andrew.
	What the fuck, Brian?
	A lot of mixed motions, Brian.
	I can't keep up with you, Andrew.
	You've been getting me sloshed off of vodka.
	You drink heavily.
	I rarely drink.
	What do you mean I drink heavily?
	I barely drink.
	Okay, you drink mostly heavily.
	Most of the time.
	I'm rude.
	I'm having a smoke.
	Can't take this shit, Brian.
	What the?
	You just said you were hotter than me.
	What's that?
	What's that?
	Hey, I was.
	Did you hear how he said that like that?
	I like said like I'm his son.
	Wait as a second.
	And I said, I like, I cursed.
	What the fuck?
	Dude, I actually know.
	When he said that, I felt fear.
	You should be like, the fuck did you just say?
	So fucking shit.
	So, okay, hang on.
	In my defense, from the charismatic perspective, it was a way.
	Hang on, hang on.
	It was a way to provide a sense of comedic relief.
	It's not because I actually think that I'm better looking than Brian, even if I am.
	Oh, no, it was a joke.
	Even if I'm not.
	I'm not upset by it.
	You seem pretty upset by it.
	I'm not.
	What the fuck?
	I'm not upset.
	Nobody's convinced, Brian.
	Is anybody convinced Brian's not upset?
	I'm not on a show of hands.
	I think you're upset.
	I have captured the entire panel.
	I've captured the entire panel, though.
	I've captured them.
	They're going to turn them against me.
	They're going to turn them against me.
	Well, I'll ask a couple questions.
	To you, the 10, the soul 10 at the table.
	Can you tell us a guy, like maybe a celebrity, famous person that you think is a 10?
	I think is a 10?
	Like a guy who you think is a 10.
	No celebrity crushes.
	Okay, maybe Messi, the soccer player.
	He's cute.
	Okay.
	All right.
	My whole plan is failed.
	Right.
	In terms of looks, you're talking about.
	He's cute.
	I mean, he's rich and one of the best soccer players ever and status and successful and all that.
	He's like an average-looking guy, though.
	I mean, he's an average-looking guy.
	I don't need a 10 out of 10.
	When you say 10, like, come on, really?
	Like, don't look.
	10?
	Is he a 10 because of all the other shit surrounding him?
	The fact that he's one of the best soccer players ever.
	No, he's just cute.
	He's cute.
	Wait, is cute a 10?
	Can you be a 10 and cute?
	I feel like 10 is like jaw-dropping.
	You literally, they walk past you and you just are in awe.
	Your head snaps and you turn.
	Head turn.
	You want me to give him a different celebrity then?
	Sure.
	Give me a different celebrity.
	He's also kind of short.
	I don't care about him.
	He's probably shorter than you.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	He's a great guy, though.
	Give me a different celebrity.
	Can it be a girl celebrity?
	No, it has to be a man.
	It has to be a man.
	Michael B. Jordan, I guess, then.
	Okay.
	Michael Jordan.
	Michael Jordan.
	Michael B. Jordan.
	Huge difference.
	Okay.
	He was in the celebration.
	Have you slid into his DMs?
	Now, why would I do that?
	No, I'm pretty sure he's married.
	I mean, why would I sign to his DMs?
	I didn't know he was married.
	So you're a 10, he's a 10.
	Is that, you think that's a good.
	If he was single, would that be a good match?
	No.
	So he would be settling for you?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	You're both 10s.
	Bro.
	Okay.
	Tell me, bro.
	What's up, dog?
	Okay, okay.
	What's up, dog?
	Tell me, dude.
	Thing is, one, he's significantly older than me, so I think that'd be a deal breaker.
	Two.
	For you or for him?
	For him, and possibly for me, too.
	I mean, I don't mind, but for probably for him.
	Okay.
	Two, he is rich and famous.
	I don't think he wants to settle for a hostess in a little town barely anybody knows about.
	Yeah, but guys don't really care about a woman's status.
	It just wouldn't be a good match.
	I don't want to be inconvenient.
	All right.
	Name taken says, so wait, Oblivion is the reason we haven't had any TikTok invasions recently.
	Andrew, Fair?
	No, I've given you guys actually more TikTok invasions recently than you've ever gotten, even with Oblivion.
	But that's because I need to afford the DLCs.
	I needed to afford the DLCs.
	That's for me, Brian.
	Oh, that's fair.
	That's for me.
	By the way, all of you, you got to get your super chats in because I'm only going to be here another half hour.
	I always have a hard out at 2 o'clock my time, which it almost is.
	And I got a debate tomorrow.
	So just throwing that out.
	Does that mean we're all out?
	Andrew's time?
	No.
	No.
	Nope.
	But unless you guys can convince Andrew to stay a bit longer.
	Well, so then I'll try to get to the important stuff.
	Let's get through it.
	Okay, so going to you really quick.
	Can you give us a guy who you think is on your level who's maybe like famous or celebrity?
	Just looks-wise?
	Because you said 7.5, right?
	Hmm.
	I can't think of any because I think they would look better if they are famous.
	Like if they are movie stars.
	Well, I mean, Brian's famous.
	You're pretty famous.
	More good looking.
	Was that?
	But you said.
	I'm more good looking.
	I mean, she is right.
	She fired him.
	But he's way more famous.
	No, no, no, no.
	Andrew's pretty famous.
	You're pretty famous.
	Andrew's pretty famous.
	Andrew's a famous guy.
	Would you date Zi Jin?
	What's his name?
	The president of China?
	Xin Ping.
	Would you date him?
	You don't know Xin Ping's?
	Bro, I don't know how to pronounce it.
	I'm sorry.
	All this political Xi Jinping.
	I know the fucking spelling, but I don't know how to pronounce it properly.
	Would you date him?
	No.
	No.
	The most powerful man in China?
	No, no, He's kind of fat.
	Yeah, but he's kind of fat, right?
	Is he kind of fat?
	Is he married?
	Oh, you're not going to.
	Is the CCP going to do away with you when you get home?
	Is the CCP coming?
	First of all, he's married.
	Also, he's old.
	Okay.
	Can you say, I'm not a CCP spy?
	No.
	And Jing is fat.
	Andrew.
	I'm not going to fight.
	You're not going to say it.
	Yes.
	Well, she does have to go home.
	Just saying.
	All right.
	Let's see here.
	We have.
	Oh, going around the table, just to finish off on the looks rating thing.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Better looking 10 years' time.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 37, better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yep.
	20 years' time?
	Yeah.
	30 years' time?
	Nah.
	Okay, so better looking at 10 years.
	Yep.
	You're 37.
	That's right.
	So better looking at 57?
	Okay.
	What about, oh, and clarification, you're 29?
	Were you better looking at 19?
	Or better looking now?
	Honestly, I'd say pretty even.
	Can you just tilt your mic down a little bit?
	Okay, pretty even.
	What about you?
	37, better looking at 27?
	Nope, I was around 400 pounds back then.
	And then 18 versus 37.
	Even bigger.
	Even bigger.
	Back then.
	Damn, okay.
	You're 37, better looking in 10 years' time at 47.
	Back up just.
	All right.
	Go ahead.
	No.
	And then were you better looking at 27 versus now at 37?
	No.
	Better looking now.
	Okay.
	And then 18 versus 37.
	Better looking now.
	Better now.
	Okay, you're 38, better looking in 10 years' time?
	No.
	Okay, and then going back 10 years, 28 versus 38?
	No, I was probably prime at like 35, a few years ago.
	Yeah.
	So three years ago.
	And then 18 versus 38.
	I don't know.
	That's almost a different person.
	We look like two different people, 18 and me now.
	So would, yeah, which one's better looking, I guess?
	I think that that's going to be a little bit subjective.
	At 18, I looked very young, like a little girl still, a middle schooler.
	So it's a little bit different.
	Okay, but you're an adult.
	I mean, 18, sure, but yeah.
	Yeah, well, were you better looking at 18 or 38?
	I don't know.
	I don't think I can answer that.
	All right, that's fine.
	18, but will you be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yes.
	20 years time?
	Possibly.
	I'll say yes.
	30 years' time at 48.
	No.
	Okay.
	You're 29, better looking in 10 years' time at 39?
	No.
	And then you're 29, were you better looking at 19 or better looking now at 29?
	I think at 19.
	Wow, that might be the first ever honest answer ever on this.
	Here's the okay.
	She's pretty rational.
	She's been asking very rational, very based questions the entire night.
	She's been like, can you justify the shit that you're saying?
	And I'm like, actually, I would prefer to do that.
	It checks out.
	So here's what we've done.
	We've put every single one of you into an AI filter.
	We've aged.
	But before you show that, Kids.
	Can I ask a couple of questions?
	Actually, I'm going to start with you guys because I'm always wondering about this.
	So you said if you were to retract time, you're more attractive now than you used to be.
	So if I go back 10 years, you're more attractive now.
	Yeah.
	Now let's say that you had the same access to the resources you do right now.
	Oh.
	Hang on.
	And you had the same thought process on giving yourself augmentations, whether they're breast implants or lipo or whatever they are, right?
	I don't know what they are and I don't care.
	But I'm just saying, whatever they are, you had the same like mindset for that and for exercise diet.
	Would you be as attractive now as you were then?
	It was sobriety.
	Back then I wasn't sober and I looked at it.
	So yeah, so if I have sobriety back then and I had that, oh my God, yeah, that's okay.
	So you just made poorer choices when you're younger.
	Yes.
	But if it was equalized, you still think you would be attractive when you were younger.
	That I might be more attractive 10 years ago if I was sober then.
	I might still look the same.
	I don't know.
	But yeah, definitely a lot of it had to do with like drinking a ton.
	Okay.
	Looking terrible.
	Same over here.
	I think at 18, if I was more, because I mean, I wear makeup and stuff.
	Again, very young.
	I think if I had all the same access.
	I mean, I guess my assumption was we don't have like in 10 years from now, we're not talking about like, oh, yeah, no, I understand.
	I understand.
	Okay, okay.
	I just want to make sure I'm getting this correctly.
	At 18, sure, if I wasn't still very young-minded, I had my mind now.
	I was maybe taking care of myself.
	Sure, then at 18, I probably would be more attractive than I am at 35.
	Here's why I bring this up.
	I ask this question often.
	I'll ask it real quick to this panel before he pulls up the AI images, right?
	And we'll just do it by a show of hands.
	If I were to ask you who's the fairer sex, men or women, let's start with men by hand raise.
	Let's start with, now let's do women by hand raise.
	Are they the fairer sex?
	Fairer, meaning, yes.
	Better looking.
	Men or women, the better looking sex.
	Is it men by a hand raise?
	Is it women by a hand raise?
	Okay, so basically everybody says women.
	Now let me ask it this way.
	If it is the case that women no longer have access to makeup or any sort of augmentation, meaning breast implants, meaning lip fillers, meaning any period.
	If I ask the same question, who is the fairer sex, men or women?
	Raise your hand if your answer changes.
	You.
	I think it might.
	Yeah.
	Because I think that there's a lot of men who are naturally like pretty attractive and they don't have to do a lot of like changing to their parents.
	But there's some women who are like attractive just solely on like their extra stuff.
	My challenge would be this.
	Men have not changed much since 1800.
	If you go back and look at pictures, right?
	There's still no makeup for us and there's still basically just beards.
	We get beards.
	We don't get much else, right?
	We get beards and that's about it.
	The ones who are lucky.
	Yeah, the same.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Same thing in the 1800s, right?
	But if you go back and look at the women of that time versus the women of now, I think you would be way more hard pressed when you're talking about who is the fairer sex when we get rid of all the augmentation and makeup.
	That's all I'm saying.
	I thought men did wear makeup.
	They did.
	I mean, but the white face, like we've had in the English times.
	Yeah, yeah, but they, but so did.
	But in those times, women still wore makeup, and men usually only wore it when they were in courtly positions.
	But are you looking at them, though, from a male or female gaze?
	I feel like I would look at it from both.
	But I don't think you can see the way that like maybe a woman might look at a man and go, yeah.
	I feel like I'm way better at juxtaposing myself in the shoes of women than women are good at juxtaposing themselves in the seat of a man.
	Okay.
	So when I look at it from the woman's perspective, right, I understand why women think in modernity, especially that women are the fairer sex, but they have every shortcut available, which men don't.
	We have two choices: banger bodies and beards.
	That's about it.
	Good choice.
	We can't decide on balding.
	We can't decide on any of these things, right?
	We have those two things, and you can't shortcut those two things.
	If you're a man, you don't get a banger body.
	Some of it's genetic, but you've got to be fucking disciplined no matter what, right?
	Men can't wear makeup.
	They get shamed.
	If they do liposuction, they do height extensions.
	They do any of these types of augmentations.
	Fuck no.
	That's out, right?
	Woman gets a butt implant, great.
	Boob implants, great.
	Tummy tuck, great.
	Lip filler, great.
	Massive amounts of makeup, great.
	And that's why it's like, are they really the fair sex?
	You know, when we start to break it down, are they?
	That's a good point.
	Men don't have to do anything.
	They just roll over.
	I always said that too.
	Men could just roll over and like look amazing.
	And you're like, but that's because I still think that women appreciate and find older men attractive, where men, as a majority, look at women who are younger as more attractive.
	So that's why I bring up the male-female gaze.
	Yeah, I understand the distinction.
	That goes back to the trench coat thing, though.
	If you're taking a bare naked woman, bare-naked man, and you're exposed themselves, I think, you know, it kind of sucks for guys, but the bottom line of it is no vagina-carrying person at this table has to do much, but carry a vagina, and we're going to get play.
	Correct.
	Women don't have to.
	We are already the totally agreed.
	I mean, that's just what it is.
	Well put.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	You know, we're going to actually save the AI thing for a little later, Mary.
	Pull up the one, though.
	Here's that Fisher guy as a woman.
	Now, look.
	Wow, she's super short.
	She's a bit big boned.
	Every fucking, but 50% of the guys who saw her is going to bang her, right?
	She downloads Tinder.
	She's getting laid that night.
	Yeah.
	That hour?
	You mean that hour?
	That hour, sure.
	Total differential.
	Just thought it was a little bit more.
	If she put like, come over right now and fuck me.
	She's getting fucked, right?
	I mean, girls don't got the evening.
	If they did, but if they did, yeah, sure.
	She would get a guy.
	Yeah.
	It would come off pretty sleazy, but yeah, she could do it.
	All right, so here's what we're going to do.
	We're going to get into the questionnaire.
	So we're going to, let's see.
	I don't think there's really anything on the height thing that I found particularly shocking.
	Joey, no, actually, yeah, nothing too crazy on the height.
	We'll just do bear then.
	Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on hike?
	I think I put man.
	I think that's what I put.
	What about you?
	Take the bear any day.
	You?
	Random bear.
	Random bear.
	Okay.
	I said man.
	You wrote neither, but you have to pick one.
	I pick one.
	Probably man.
	Probably men.
	Man.
	Okay.
	Why do you pick bear?
	Why'd you pick bear?
	There was a time I was actually hiking and I was out in Zion and this guy started following me.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And in that moment, I was like, fuck, if there was a bear, the bear probably would have run away.
	Because the bear is probably thinking about eating me or chasing me.
	The man may be thinking about killing me, murdering me.
	What kind of augmentations do I have?
	All of those other things that some of them are.
	Why would you think about your augmentations?
	I mean, all of the things that we kind of brought up today or that some of the men brought up today is why I would choose a bear over a male any day.
	Here's what I'm going to do on this one.
	So me and Andrew would just totally, just totally destroy you guys on this debate.
	So here's what I'm going to do.
	I'm just going to state categorically that we've won the debate without even arguing the points.
	Sure.
	That's like a bad thing to do.
	Why are you robbing me?
	Andrew said, let me know.
	Why are you robbing me, bro?
	There's better stuff.
	All right.
	If you can stay.
	I'm staying for a second.
	If you can stay.
	No, I can't stay for longer, but I'm going to.
	If the heart's out, yeah, I'd rather get it to other stuff.
	Okay, so let's see here.
	But I do like the preemptive declaration of victory.
	I'm a big fan of that.
	Sure.
	It was, okay, so what's.
	It was men versus women, and we were out in a room.
	We still won exactly how it should be.
	Andrew, what would interest you more?
	The T stuff or the women oppressed feminism stuff?
	Let's start with T and moved on to feminism.
	Okay, so we'll be quick on the T. I'll make a little bit of extra time if necessary as we go through it.
	All right, so we have, let's see.
	Moon, you say it's wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they are trans.
	And in addition to that, Gabby, you said a man dating a trans, or you agree, a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	And you also say you agree a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	So that's Gabby.
	That's you.
	And then Moon, you said, you didn't say that it's straight, but you did say it's wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they're trans.
	We'll start there.
	Why?
	Just curious.
	So if I refuse to date a transgender woman, that would be wrong.
	Why is that?
	Depends on your reasoning for not dating her.
	Is it just because she's trans?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Sure.
	I believe personally that a transgender woman is, in fact, a woman.
	So if you're speaking biologically, if she's had biological surgery that presents as a female, I believe that is presenting as a female.
	It's like if you drive a truck, I mean, you let's try to, I'll be as good faith on this as possible if you are.
	So let's back up.
	Yeah.
	What is a woman for you?
	What does that mean?
	For me, as a woman who dates women, I would say someone feminine, someone probably with breasts, probably with a vagina.
	Like a real one?
	You know, real as in, yeah, a physical vagina.
	Yeah.
	Like born with it?
	No, not necessarily.
	No.
	So let me ask you this.
	If I were to ask you, let's pretend for a second I'm like your 10-year-old son.
	All right.
	And I come to you and I say, mom, I'm not gay, but I'm going to go suck my girlfriend's dick.
	I'm not gay, but I'm going to go suck my girlfriend's dick.
	All right, I hear you.
	How do you reconcile that with him?
	Or no, not 10.
	Let's say like 14.
	How do you reconcile that with him and be like, no, you're right.
	That's not a gay act to go suck your girlfriend's dick.
	Can you just like walk me through the logic there?
	Yeah, I know it's probably going to be different than yours, but first of all, I wouldn't care because that's my child.
	I'm not saying you care.
	I'm not saying that from your perspective.
	So there's nothing.
	There's anything that's wrong with that.
	All right.
	We're asking a specific question about homosexuality, heterosexuality, gay or straight.
	He's asking this question.
	Is it gay if I do that?
	Am I a gay person if I go suck my girlfriend's dick?
	You say to him, what?
	Have fun.
	Yeah, I know, but that's not, what's his question, though?
	My son wouldn't have a question.
	Yeah, I know, but if he did, but if he did.
	What is this question that I asked you?
	You're gay is a term that people in society chose to describe your sexuality.
	Whatever my child, whatever descriptor he wants to use to describe his sexuality, that's up to him.
	It doesn't matter who he's going to be.
	What I'm asking you for, repeat back to me the question that your 14-year-old son's asking you.
	I'm having sex with a transgender woman.
	No, no, no.
	What's the question your son's asking you?
	Maybe I'm not going to say that.
	If I suck my girlfriend's dick, mom, am I gay?
	I want you to repeat that so I know that you know what he's asking.
	If I suck my girlfriend's dick, am I gay?
	Yeah.
	What is, how do you walk him through that?
	Tell me.
	Easy.
	Okay.
	Do you like this person?
	Sure.
	He likes this person.
	Is this person like you?
	Absolutely.
	Are y'all going to be engaging in this sexual activity for safety?
	He says sure.
	All right.
	Are their parents okay with it since they're probably both minors?
	Sure.
	They say sure.
	Have fun.
	Okay, great.
	But what's the question, though?
	There is none.
	And for there to be one, I would not even say that I was a loving parent towards my child if there was any other question that didn't involve their happiness and their safety.
	So you just basically never answer the question.
	No, because there isn't one.
	Right.
	Okay.
	And then who was the next one?
	Yeah.
	So, Gabby, you said that it's straight for a man today to transgender.
	So Gabby, your son comes to you.
	I'm going to ask you the same question.
	And he says, hey, mom, right?
	I'm 15.
	I can make my own decisions now.
	I'm in a sexual relationship.
	I'm going to suck my girlfriend's dick.
	Is that gay?
	No.
	Can you walk me?
	Hang on.
	Can you walk me through what you would say?
	Wait, why did they got to be 15?
	16, whatever.
	Because she's the mom.
	And so I'm like 15, 16, 17, whatever.
	Yeah, whatever.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's irrelevant for the point.
	Do they present as a girl, as a woman?
	Sure.
	Oh, nope.
	It's not gay.
	That's a lady.
	Lady with a dick.
	A lady with a dick.
	Yep.
	I'm a lady with a dick.
	When I want to.
	I mean, so does that make my partner hetero when I wear a strap?
	Well, hang on.
	I feel like you just lied to me.
	Oh.
	Do you have a physical penis?
	Nope.
	Well, then why did you just say you're a lady with a dick?
	You just lied.
	Because a dick is something that goes inside a vagina.
	It doesn't have to have blood.
	So a cucumber's a dick?
	If you use it as such, I mean, oh, yeah, so cucumber.
	If you attach it to a pencil, I feel like when I say the word dick, I mean a penis that is attached to a male.
	And when you say dick, you don't actually mean the word dick.
	I sure don't.
	Right, exactly.
	So what you do is you just avoid the question.
	No, because does the girl get off on the cucumber or does the person with the color?
	Sure, let's just assume they do.
	This would be like me saying pussy is like peanut butter.
	If I got peanut butter, bro.
	If I got a piece of meat from the grocery store and made love to it, that that's a pussy.
	Not at all.
	That's not the same at all.
	Not the same.
	You literally said like a banana or like a cucumber would be a dick.
	Obviously, a piece of meat isn't the same shape or anatomy as a vagina.
	I don't know, whatever the fuck looks like.
	So maybe if you said like, if you carved a piece of meat into a vagina, is there such a thing as a dildo?
	Of course there is.
	Is there such a thing as a male penis?
	As a male penis?
	Like a, yeah.
	What's the difference between the two?
	One has blood pumping through it, one does not.
	Okay, great.
	So then it is the case that if I were to say to you that you're going over to suck your girlfriend's penis, we're talking about one category, not the other, right?
	We're talking about a flesh, what I call a fleshy penis.
	Okay, so if we are talking about that, then how can you possibly say a cucumber is a penis to you?
	Because the same way, if I put on a strap tonight and I go home and my girlfriend, then you have made the category differential that that's a dildo and not a penis.
	No, it's not about the, so it's not about the equipment, it's about the wearer.
	If you put on a fake vagina today, right now, and you said to us, I am now a woman, I have on a quote, fake vagina.
	Wait, it's fake, though.
	I mean, that's why I'm saying it is fake.
	It may be, but if you are presenting and telling us to respect you as a female person.
	But is it true?
	Do you believe it's true?
	I know.
	Okay.
	Of course not.
	It's like objectively not true, right?
	I think exactly.
	So that's why it's not about you feel like it's about true because you made the differential yourself.
	There's a difference between a dildo and a penis.
	Of course there is.
	So if there's an attachment distinction, if you have that same attachment, homosexual meaning same sex, you suck on the penis of the same sex.
	How is that not gay?
	I don't think there's a difference because gay just means you're having sex with someone of the same sex.
	Got it.
	However, no, no, no.
	What does gay mean?
	That you're having sex with someone of the same sex.
	And if you're having sex with someone in this case, who you call your degree on who you call your girlfriend and has a penis, they are the same.
	No, because if that girlfriend with the penis decided to, that she wanted to be a he or a they, it's not about the sex, it's about the orientation of the person.
	I have a full vagina biologically, but if I presented as male and I said I'm a male and my partner respects me as a male and uses he, him pronouns, that makes me a male.
	You said gay is somebody who engages in sex with somebody of the same sex.
	That's right.
	If you engage with sex with some with a person who's a male who has a penis, even if they present, hang on, hang on.
	Even if they present as a female, by your own logical criteria, they would have to be gay.
	I want to put it this way.
	I think that your questions are reserved for a specific subset of people who simply don't get it and never will.
	And that's just fine with me.
	Because those who do.
	You do realize that like logic has to be consistent or so logic.
	I feel like the human beings are.
	You don't feel like logic has to be consistent.
	Experience is not quantifiable, calculated.
	Logic.
	Go ahead.
	No, I have a question about the words that you use.
	So you're saying, is it gay?
	Is it gay?
	Is it gay?
	Wait, No, no, no.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Don't lie.
	I asked her what gay means, didn't I?
	Well, yes.
	And what did she say?
	I don't think anybody can't.
	What did she say?
	She said that it's having sex with someone of the same sex.
	So it's not me.
	Hang on.
	So then before you get into whatever you're about to get into, I actually asked what her criteria for gay was and used that, didn't I?
	Hang on.
	Didn't I use actually what her criteria for gay was?
	So can I?
	Didn't I add?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now go ahead.
	What if we, instead of using the word gay, use the word queer?
	Okay, well, queer means what?
	Queer means like having sex with people of either the same gender or a different gender than you, but it's still not like.
	What makes you queer, though?
	What measure that instance?
	The gender part of it would make it not specifically gay or straight.
	So if I were having sex with a biological female as a biological male, but she identified as being a male and I identify as being a female and we changed nothing.
	We changed no phenotypical.
	Hang on.
	Stop.
	So then all that makes it queer is that we self-ID that we're queer.
	That's right.
	Because who cares about what you think or what you think or what you think?
	So then how does that word have meaning?
	It doesn't.
	It doesn't, exactly.
	That's right.
	Perfect.
	What do you think about this argument, Andrew?
	If when women who are lesbians told us we were lesbians, we actually said...
	Yeah, what makes Brian not a lesbian, actually?
	He doesn't have a vagina or identify with a vagina.
	Oh, that's crazy.
	That's crazy.
	Are you a woman?
	Do you consider yourself to be female?
	It's about his identity.
	No, it's about his identity.
	I just got to ask, if Brian flopped out his penis and said it's a vagina and a woman sucked it, is he a lesbian then if he identifies as a gay?
	Are you guys able to scoot over?
	If he identifies this way.
	Just a tad.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	So if Brian identifies as a lesbian, he whips out his penis.
	A woman sucks it, right?
	He's a lesbian.
	Is he?
	I mean.
	If he wants to say he is.
	That's up to him and the woman is doing it.
	He might be ridiculous, but.
	Then what are we pointing to here with these words?
	They're empty labels.
	Like me, I'm Andrew.
	You guys all know that I'm Andrew.
	What makes me Andrew, though?
	What makes me an Andrew?
	If there was another guy sitting here, like let's say Brian's name was Andrew, there's two different Andrews, right?
	The label is empty then.
	It doesn't point at anything.
	It's just a label that says, I'm Andrew.
	But if I wanted to give a descriptor for something like heterosexual, homosexual, I'd have to be pointing towards some behavior, activity, something, right?
	Something I'd have to be pointing to.
	So what am I pointing to?
	If the question is labels, I can't speak for any other issue.
	No, it's not just labels.
	It's definitionally, if Brian says he's a lesbian, what makes him a liar?
	It's that he doesn't have the follow-through of actually showing that that's what he's interested in.
	What does that mean?
	That doesn't mean anything.
	He's not dressed like a woman.
	He's not presenting.
	So you can only be that gender.
	So you can only be that gender if you present that way?
	Nope.
	If you say that.
	That's a contradiction.
	Move on.
	Are there transgender people in China?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Is it accepted, though?
	Yes.
	Not widely.
	Not widely.
	Okay.
	It's providential, right?
	Like, secretly?
	Yeah.
	I guess so, but there is a famous dancer as well as a comedian and talk show comedian who is like trans, like she.
	Okay.
	But is also hated, right?
	Okay, so that makes sense.
	Yeah, you wouldn't want your family to.
	You said a man dating a transgender woman is straight.
	Why do you think that is?
	It's all a matter of definition.
	Like, if you say it's a transgender woman, you already define it, like, define her as a woman, then automatically, like, that person would be straight.
	Right, she's right.
	It's just trivially true.
	So if you define it as such, it would just be trivially true, but it doesn't point at what we're trying to point at.
	So she's right.
	Like, it would just be trivially true.
	If you said a woman is anybody who identifies as a woman, I identify as a woman, then it's trivially true that I'm a woman.
	Right?
	But it doesn't point to anything, right?
	We're not pointing.
	I understand what you're saying.
	Because I understand people who have that mindset.
	Yeah, because anytime we make a definition of anything, we want it to point to the thing we're pointing to, right?
	Why does any human feel like they need to define or point towards any other human sexuality or something?
	Because we couldn't have communication if we didn't have definitions for what we're trying to communicate.
	Well, that needs to change.
	No, it doesn't.
	If I'm smoking a cigarette and everybody knows what cigarette means, and you're trying to convey the information that I'm smoking a cigarette, but I'm actually chewing gum.
	Does it make sense that you say cigarette for gum if nobody understands what you're saying?
	Unless you're chewing nicotine gum.
	Yeah, but you see what I mean?
	Like, it's queer.
	It's that the reason that in this circumstance of the example you were giving before with the son and the transgender girlfriend, it's that you wouldn't specifically say, is it gay?
	Because the person is queer.
	He does ask that.
	So I would say queer.
	So what is a woman?
	A woman?
	I mean, oh my gosh, I have to get into it.
	Like, a woman basically is usually a person who is born with a vagina and the genitalia of what we typically would know as a woman.
	Usually he's doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
	Usually?
	It's doing a lot of healing.
	I know that there's people who are.
	Yeah, so what is a woman?
	Like, when we point to a definition, we don't say usually, right?
	Because otherwise, the definition doesn't mean anything.
	Right?
	Like, if I said a camera is usually a component base that a camera had, but also an electrical board had, I'm not pointing at anything.
	So what is a woman?
	A woman is someone who has a vagina.
	Born with a vagina.
	Yeah.
	Can I ask a clarifying question on that?
	So you're familiar with the term neo-vagina?
	Actually, I'm not.
	Okay, so you know, but she said born with.
	Oh, is that something like?
	Did she say born?
	I thought she was a woman with a vagina.
	Can you repeat it one more time?
	I would say, yeah, a woman born with a vagina.
	Oh, okay, fair enough.
	What's a woman?
	Anyone who presents or identifies as a woman.
	Your definition?
	Has a vagina.
	Same.
	Has a vagina.
	Wait, just to be clear.
	Transgender women can get a surgery that gives them what they would call a vagina.
	So I just want to clarify.
	They wouldn't be biological, but they would be a woman, a transgender woman.
	Just yes, that's what I'm getting to.
	Because I want to, because I don't consider the transgender surgery, what they do, the bottom surgery, that's not a vagina.
	So I just want to be really precise in our language here.
	Are you saying a woman born, like born female with a vagina?
	So a woman who's born with a vagina and then a transgender who goes through the surgery is transgender woman.
	What other people want to call themselves and do?
	Yeah, that's up to you to later on.
	Okay, so are you agreeing with her?
	I'm agreeing with the same.
	Okay, so transgender women's women's women's.
	I do see a distinction between the two, but they're both women.
	Okay.
	What is a woman?
	A woman is someone who either presents themselves as a woman or goes through the process to be able to present themselves as a woman because there's a difference between sex and gender.
	Okay.
	And what is a woman?
	Like a woman is a person with a vagina, but like I know people are sometimes born with not with no complete virginity.
	Like intersex?
	Hermaphrodite.
	Intersex?
	Intersex, like they have both.
	They can't be.
	They would call those chimers or hermaphrodites.
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure about those cases.
	But there are cases that like their genes are like XXY.
	No, but XX, but however, they're sure.
	They're still males.
	No, they're female.
	XX is male.
	XY is Y is male.
	XX is female.
	But you can't have XXY.
	Yeah, right?
	And things like this where you're still the opposite sex.
	Yes, but I'm not talking about that case.
	What is a woman, just to find it?
	A woman is a person with a complete vagina, or like they have problems with their vagina, but they were raised up as a social female.
	Okay, so you're talking like a birth defect.
	Yeah.
	Okay, sure.
	What about transgender women?
	Are they women?
	Like, do they still have a penis?
	But I'm a bit confused because you said born with a vagina.
	No, I said with a vagina, I think.
	Yes.
	Oh, you said a woman is someone with a vagina, not born with a vagina.
	Right.
	Okay, so that would include trans, at least in your view, that would include transgender women.
	Do they still have dicks?
	Yeah, they cut their dicks.
	They get rid of the penis.
	Yeah, then it's okay.
	Okay.
	Then it's a woman.
	Okay, one follow-up on that.
	Can a male become a female?
	Well, okay.
	They can do whatever they please and identify with, but personally, I just.
	Hold on, hold on.
	So I'm asking you a question.
	Yes.
	So there's gender.
	Can a man become a woman?
	No, no, no.
	There's gender and sex.
	So I'm talking gender.
	Can a man can become a woman?
	I think some of you are going to say yes.
	If we're talking about sex, can a male become a female?
	If it's not about gender, no.
	Okay.
	Can a male become a female?
	I don't think I get the question.
	Can you scoot your mic that way?
	So the separation between sex and gender.
	Gender is your expression of how you identify.
	Sex is your actual physical body.
	Yes.
	Can a male actually become a female?
	Quick answers if you can, guys.
	Yes.
	If they're a hermaphrodite and you have both inside of you.
	I'm speaking in generalities here.
	I'm not talking.
	I'm not looking for like the fringe.
	I'm actually willing to accept the specifics.
	So if you think a maprodite can become the other sex, I think that that's fine.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I don't think we got really definitive there.
	Can a male become a female?
	So, yeah.
	So, if he was like presenting, but he has ovaries, okay, right?
	Yeah, but that's okay.
	But, like, how about there aren't birth defects?
	Like, an otherwise normal, healthy male.
	Can they become a female?
	He can't have he can become a woman, but female with ovaries, if you're looking at biological.
	What about you?
	No, no, not completely the same as okay.
	I just want to point out: uh, you are all of you who said, uh, a woman is this, that, you're all biology, excuse me, you're all science deniers.
	All of you are science deniers.
	Biology is a hard science, it's not a soft science like psychology and sociology and economics, hard sciences like biology, for example, with established fact, it's not up for negotiation, it's not up for debate.
	Sure, just to be clear, who's I think that depends.
	So, for me, I would ask this: why do you, specifically you, as a hetero-married, happily, as you mentioned, man, why do you care?
	Well, I'll dive into it and I'll show you why.
	Actually, this is a I'm sorry, I know I was having a conversation, you couldn't help but butt in.
	Go ahead.
	I feel like I kind of care.
	But anyway, so back to this conversation over here.
	I can't believe that.
	I might just buy in while we were having the discussion, but you couldn't help yourself.
	But here's the thing: I think that that's a fair question.
	And I'll explain my position, but let's start with this.
	I want to show you something that's super important.
	Okay.
	In philosophy, we call this an infinite regress.
	An infinite regress would be if I ask you, in this case, for like a definition, and you give me the thing that I'm asking about as the definition, it infinitely regresses.
	And I'm going to show you how this works in real time.
	So, I asked you, What is a woman?
	And you said, A woman's anybody who identifies as a woman.
	That seems fair, right?
	Okay, is she a woman to me looking at her sitting here?
	Yes.
	Am I a woman?
	No, because you definitely don't present and have stated that you are not.
	That seems fair that there's distinctions between the two of us.
	So, if I ask the criteria again, what differentiates me from her?
	If you say a woman's anyone who identifies as a woman, okay, I'm a woman.
	All right.
	What differentiates us now?
	Well, despite the fact you became a woman five seconds ago, but I am now.
	Physically.
	What differentiates us?
	The physical characteristics of being female.
	At this point in your transition, ma'am, that's a big difference.
	And what are those differences?
	I don't see boobs.
	I don't think there's a vagina present.
	Then it sounds to me like when you say woman, you actually don't mean anybody who says woman because that doesn't give you enough information.
	It sounds like you mean there has to be other criteria there.
	Otherwise, how could you?
	Yeah, otherwise, how could you make the distinction?
	Because you would tell me, like you just did, you'd say, guidance, I'm a woman.
	And from there on out, I would respond to that.
	Yeah, but why is it that you would instantly see her as a woman and not instantly see me as one?
	But the same reason why you would look at me and say African-American and not Latino.
	That makes sense.
	So if I were to say like black definitionally, I might point to like skin, I might point to hair, I might point to all sorts of physical differentials, right?
	I would not say anybody who identifies as black, would I?
	Nope.
	Why?
	Because you can't really and truly choose that race is different than sex.
	Yeah, yeah, but hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	I'm not saying they're the same.
	I'm just asking you black.
	I'm just asking you this one question.
	Yep.
	What would make me not black?
	You're not.
	You don't.
	You're not.
	So if you gave a definition of black versus white, you would be pointing to criteria.
	Which made a differential between black and white.
	You can't say that.
	But how is it that you can look at me and say, how is it that you can look at me and say, man, look at her and say, woman?
	Because you are a man.
	But the second I say, but I identify as a woman, suddenly those distinctions go away.
	That's an infinite regress.
	What that means is, what is a woman?
	A woman's anyone who says they're a woman.
	Yeah, but what is that, though?
	Well, anyone who says they're that thing.
	But what is that?
	Anyone who says they're that.
	But what is it, though?
	It's anyone who says they're it.
	Right.
	I don't think that people.
	There's no one asking that question.
	Yeah, but that's what they are asking.
	That is what they're asking.
	And so the thing is.
	That's what y'all are asking.
	Yeah, it is what we all are asking.
	On that spectrum.
	But it's super.
	I know you don't care, but it's super important to us.
	Men who are not happy with the state of males.
	It's super important to us because.
	To who is us?
	Yeah.
	So to the people who don't believe in the ideology.
	Of wait a second.
	Anybody can just identify as anything to become that thing.
	You say, no, they can't.
	But when I say, what's a woman?
	You say, anybody who identifies as a woman.
	I say, well, what distinguishes me from her?
	This, And then I say, okay, so what is a woman?
	Well, anybody who identifies as a woman, you're not pointing at anything.
	You have an empty label.
	It points to nothing.
	I think because listen, I want to explain this so that you know.
	I'm explaining it.
	It's a logical, it's actually logically fallacious.
	It's called an infinite regress fallacy.
	What you're doing is you're infinitely regressing.
	So you're just always saying the same thing, but never pointing to anything.
	So if I were to tell you, if I were to ask you, what's a guitar?
	And you said, anything I point to and say it's a guitar.
	Have you told me what a guitar is?
	No.
	But I think most people, when you say guitar, they form an image of a guitar in their mind.
	So if you just say, I mean, you know, hey, if you want to play a drum as a guitar, you can do that.
	But I think I totally agree with that.
	We're removing the human experience from that.
	It's only the human experience which can identify what is a guitar.
	Who can make a guitar besides a human?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Nobody.
	Nothing can make a guitar but a human, as far as we know.
	So if that's the case, when I say what is a guitar, you say anything I point to and say it's a guitar, you say, that tells me nothing.
	I agree.
	You, if I asked you this question and just describe it for me, what is a guitar?
	An instrument with strings.
	What does it look like?
	There are so many shapes of guitar.
	Yeah, but what do they generally at least look like?
	Long stick strings and a bottom part.
	I don't even know what you mean.
	So based on that, I can at least say that I can rule out everything without strings as an instrument as not being a guitar, right?
	Sure.
	Now we're getting to what a definition is, right?
	Sure.
	And that's the distinction between an empty label and a definition.
	When you say that's a guitar, at least I can point to what that is.
	When you say anything I point to is a guitar, that tells me fucking nothing about what a guitar is.
	So are we so simple-minded in 2020?
	So broad minded.
	If we don't have a distinct description for a person, their sexuality, their preferences, if we can't define it, it's not right.
	If we can't define, oh, no, no, I listened to you for a long time.
	Okay, go ahead.
	If we can't define it, it's wrong.
	If we can't define it, it's confusing.
	If we can't define it, it's not scientific.
	There are a lot of things in science and biology and history and art that are undefinable.
	You cannot define a person.
	And honestly, just blatantly speaking, people like you do not have a seat at the table because it's not for you.
	We're the only ones who have the seat at the table.
	That table is just for y'all.
	But I would think that I know that the people who are on the rainbow spectrum, we don't care.
	Yeah, but y'all do.
	And it's interesting because I feel all I hear behind it to me is we don't understand y'all, so we feel threatened.
	No, no.
	Why?
	What are you threatened by by myself?
	Does my fake penis really do something that big to the male ego?
	Does my strap really do that?
	You do understand us.
	I guess it does.
	You do understand us.
	It sounds to me like you're saying you do understand us, and we feel threatened by that.
	So, well, it has to be the case.
	It has to be.
	Why do you have to define us?
	Well, here's the thing.
	It has to be the case.
	Yeah, logic.
	You can't beat logic.
	You can't put logic to love and human experience.
	You can't put logic to unquantifiable.
	Right.
	Logic is the one thing you can't ever refuse.
	Is love logical?
	Have you experienced love?
	Actually, love is logical.
	Yes.
	Or is it emotional?
	It can be.
	No, it's not candid.
	It is logical.
	No, we just ran the experiment.
	It is logical.
	No, no, no.
	We just ran the experiment in front of everyone here based on swipes.
	There's no logic in a swipe.
	You get a five, six second, oh, I like that.
	I don't like that.
	I like what I see.
	I don't like what I see.
	And then you get into the deeper.
	Hang on, let me respond.
	Let me respond.
	Let me respond.
	Actually, there is.
	Not only is there a logic to it, but the whole reason we're having the discussion is about the logic of it.
	Just because if you say, well, what happens, Andrew, is that there's an influx of emotion, which based on these emotions, humans have interactive experiences where they swipe left, swipe right, blah, blah, blah.
	Well, that's within the compliance of logic.
	There's absolutely nothing illogical about that.
	Saying, I have emotions, therefore I act on emotions logically follows.
	There is nothing illogical about that.
	There is, however, something highly illogical about giving an empty label to a definition of a thing you're trying to describe.
	That's completely illogical.
	I don't think the label can't, I mean, I don't know the history of it.
	We're not talking about labels.
	We're talking about defining a thing so that it can be even understood.
	At the end of the day, I don't care what the person, who the person I'm interact with, whatever their label or definition for themselves is, that's great for them.
	So would it be fair to say you don't care about logic?
	I don't care about descriptors and can you even have logical interactions without descriptors?
	Heck yeah.
	How?
	And if you can't, then that's the same thing.
	Is there a single thing that you can logically express without a descriptor?
	All words are descriptors.
	Yeah.
	Aren't all words descriptors?
	Yeah, but how do you describe feelings?
	With words.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So all words are descriptors.
	When you say feelings, you're describing.
	I don't think we, I think our disconnect is I'm not disagreeing with you as far as there are labels.
	There are definitely people.
	I'm not talking about labels.
	There are words to describe people.
	There are scientific terms and things to describe genitalia.
	None of that's false.
	1000% with you.
	I think my personal standpoint on that is none of that matters to those that it doesn't matter to.
	But to those that it does, that's great.
	Is there, if you want to quantify that information and use it in your dating experience, like by all means.
	But for me as a person, the first thing I'm asking or looking for when I swipe left or right or talk to a person is not, is your vagina surgical.
	It's biological.
	But this doesn't answer the question.
	Like, how come I'm not black?
	I don't know.
	You'd have to ask your mom that.
	You don't know why I'm not black?
	You don't know?
	No.
	I just want you to look me in the eyes and say, I don't know why you're not black.
	I don't like surgery to as black either.
	Yes, you can.
	Yes, American.
	Yes, you can.
	And did Michael Jackson get surgery?
	Yeah, he became white.
	Yeah, but did he get surgery also?
	Yes.
	And so the thing is, is like, if I could get surgery, that would make my skin look like your skin.
	Am I black?
	That depends.
	Do I care?
	No.
	I mean, I.
	That is my question about whether you care or if I am black.
	It kind of is, because if you asked a person who really debated that kind of thing with people and that kind of stuff mattered, of course, they'd have an opinion and they'd have an answer.
	So you have no opinion on if I bleached or in some way changed my skin to be black.
	Nope.
	Would I be black?
	Your experience of blackness, authentic or not, biological or not, is yours.
	My authentic experience of blackness is mine.
	Your experience as a newly black or not?
	That's not up to me.
	No.
	That just doesn't answer any.
	You just don't answer questions.
	This is the biggest problem with this whole ideology, right?
	It's like you can't answer a single question.
	You go, I'm not even saying that.
	You just go like this.
	You just go like this.
	You just go, maybe.
	And it's like, it tells us nothing about anything.
	It just literally tells us.
	We don't care.
	I think it's only our age group and up.
	I get what you're saying related to.
	There's nothing to get.
	There's nothing to get.
	No, I'm not.
	What I'm saying is objectively true.
	And what she's saying is subjectively nothing.
	So when you're saying, if you suddenly got a surgery and became black tomorrow, would you be considered black by everybody?
	And the thing.
	No, that's not what I'm asking.
	Would you be seen as black?
	Nope, that's not what I'm asking either.
	Nothing is as black.
	So like if we're relating it back to gender.
	What am I asking?
	Start with this.
	Before you strawman the entire position to fuck it all up.
	What am I asking?
	What am I asking?
	We started with gender, didn't we?
	Stop spurging.
	Stop spurging and just answer my question.
	What am I actually asking?
	And then I'll tell you, if it's wrong, what I'm actually asking.
	Would you be considered seen as black?
	Nope.
	She's asking if she's black.
	I'm not asking about perception.
	I'm not asking about any of that.
	I'm asking, would I be?
	So let me ask you this again.
	That's why I don't allow people to strawman my position with bullshit.
	If I were to somehow go through and get all of my skin reconstructed to look exactly like hers, would I actually be black or not?
	In my opinion, no.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	That's why I don't have to gender.
	That's it.
	No, no, that's it.
	Okay.
	The whole debate right now, what you just did was you demonstrated how illogical the entire position is of saying, but if I presented as a woman, you would be.
	That's fucking absurd by your own logic now.
	But if you're dating, how would we know that you're not biologically black?
	No, it's not.
	I want to go off of your point with that statement in regards to gender and kind of mapping it onto each other.
	If you decided tomorrow to become a woman and you didn't have the experiences of a lifetime of being a woman, I like no man does?
	Yeah.
	I, as a sister, no man could become a woman.
	I'm going with your point here that I would be upset.
	So then no man can become a woman, can they?
	For me to know.
	All right.
	I'm good.
	I'm going to go off and smoke.
	And I feel like the whole argument kind of takes away from cisgender women kind of rallying together almost for a certain type of feminism.
	Hold on.
	Well, you asked why this matters.
	Yeah.
	Why this matters.
	I'd like to give you three reasons.
	And you might not agree with the gravitas of why this would be important.
	Can I ask also why does it matter and who does it matter to?
	It may be part of your answer, but I think that's important.
	Yeah, so I think the first one I'll give you will matter to everybody.
	Okay.
	And that's the truth.
	That is the reason the truth is the truth.
	So that would matter to everyone.
	And that's the first reason I would give you as to why it matters.
	Truth.
	So are we speaking in terms of like you're in your life?
	I'm speaking about the truth.
	I'm speaking of the truth, not your truth, not my truth.
	The truth, the truth of the matter.
	In terms of dating, though, right?
	Or are we just talking about generalization?
	No, I'm speaking about that males can't become female.
	Males, like that's biologically.
	Well, I'm not even.
	Look, I don't think you can.
	I'm willing to grant that within the ideology, I guess it's accept you can change your gender, but I link gender and it's it's irremovable from sex in my worldview.
	Sure.
	So in my worldview, a man can't become a woman and a transgender woman is a transgender woman, but she's not a woman.
	Sure.
	Because to me, in my worldview, woman is linked to sex, and it's irremovable.
	I don't think any of us disagree with that.
	Now, the second thing is, is that since it's a dating podcast, I'll relate it to dating.
	I think that, one, transgender women have a duty to disclose to potential romantic partners.
	Agreed.
	Because one, I think it would be good for their own safety.
	Yes.
	So if you're a transgender woman and you're trying to date a, I don't like this term, a cis man, for your own safety, you should disclose beforehand so that they can choose whether perhaps for them they don't want to date a transgender woman.
	Agree.
	For their own safety, I think they should disclose.
	But if we start getting into too deep into, well, transgender women are women and this is non-negotiable, then it's like, okay, well, what is the, do regular women have to disclose to men?
	By the way, I'm not a transgender woman.
	So we get into this kind of murky territory where there's less of a duty for transgender women to disclose.
	They might even feel like, no, it's actually perfectly acceptable for me to essentially trick men into sleeping with me.
	Right.
	So I think they have a duty to disclose.
	And then also related to dating, what of if I, as a man, don't want to date a transgender woman?
	Am I, if, if the narratives allow to fully manifest themselves as it relates to this ideology, what kind of social repercussions are there when I have a preference towards not dating transgender women?
	But if on a long enough timeline, it becomes determined, like if the greater right now there's a massive culture war related to this issue.
	But let's say I'm in the minority one day, you know, and maybe the leftists, the LGBTQ activists, they win on the culture war.
	And 90% of people are like, that's a transgender woman, and you can't ask them if they're transgender.
	And if you don't sleep with them, you're a bigot.
	And what do bigots deserve?
	Bigots deserve violence.
	Bigots deserve to lose their jobs.
	Bigots deserve bigots deserve all kinds of repercussions, both social and sometimes when it comes to violence.
	Isn't that what transgender people have been getting for tens of years?
	Sure, I'll go ahead and grant it.
	So the tables turn and now we're upset.
	Well, hold on.
	Well, I don't want violence.
	I like that.
	All right, violence either way.
	I don't think that's fair, but I don't think people should be subject to violence for their dating preferences.
	But I could see some sort of scenario in the future where if somebody does have a stated preference of not wanting to date somebody who's transgender, if that is bigotry, if we're using that metric as bigotry, people are happy to enact violence to against bigotry.
	And then, so that's the second thing.
	Hang on, before you get into this, I want to bid the whatever podcast adieu.
	Wait, Andrew, I got it.
	I hang on.
	Hang on.
	I brought in tons of crazy.
	Hang on.
	Tons of cash tonight.
	I got to be fresh tomorrow for a debate, Brian.
	Got to be fresh tomorrow.
	What if Mary goes and gets nothing to do with that?
	I got to be fresh.
	That's a pretty pitch.
	Fresh for a debate tomorrow.
	I appreciate it.
	Andrew, can I hear my pitch?
	Hear my pitch.
	There's no pitch.
	This right here.
	This right here.
	Are you going to delay the debate for tomorrow?
	Okay, see you later, Brian.
	Wait, guys.
	All of you.
	Wait, Andrew.
	I might be able to delay it a little bit.
	Actually, no, fuck me.
	Yeah, no.
	Yeah, I got to delay.
	That's fine.
	All right.
	I got to get some sleep.
	Everybody out there, whatever.
	Everybody out there at the whatever chat.
	Thank you so much for having me this fine evening.
	I appreciate it.
	I'll try to talk.
	All of you fine women.
	I take no personally.
	I've never taken anything personally.
	We're here to debate worldviews and talk about dating.
	And I really, truly appreciate it.
	All of you have.
	She's going to clip.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	She's going to be like, I made him rage quit.
	Go ahead.
	That's all love, bro.
	That's all.
	I won.
	Didn't mean to interrupt her.
	Goodbye.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	You're really trying really hard here, Brian.
	Have a wonderful night, my friend.
	Have a wonderful night, ladies.
	Take good care of yourself.
	I will see you tomorrow, Andrew.
	Seethe Brian.
	Fucking seethe, Brian.
	Seethe, Brian.
	Listen, just scoot it down on chat.
	All right.
	So I was saying, the third point, the third point on this is laws.
	And I'll just ask a simple question on this, then we'll move on to a different topic.
	So the first is truth.
	The second is like dating since dating podcast.
	Do you think that we should criminalize?
	Say, if you were a dictator, like, do you think misgendering, for example, intentional, intentional.
	So somebody refuses to acknowledge.
	So somebody's pronouns, it's a transgender woman, and she, my pronouns are, I want to be referred to her as a she or a her.
	But somebody ideologically differs from her view and thinks that's not a woman, that's a man, and refuses to use the pronouns and says you're a he, you're a him.
	Do you think that this should face, if used in certain circumstances, should face criminal punishment or some sort of punishment?
	Not necessarily, I guess.
	I mean, it's hate.
	I mean, I don't know.
	It's hate?
	How's it hate?
	Okay, like you're saying they're purposely not using the correct pronouns or they did on accident intentionally but not in a not in a rude way.
	You might say it's rude on the surface already, but not like like not in a mocking or condescending way, but like in the same way that they would say it's a she says he.
	You're this person's like, are you over this person in a place of hierarchy?
	You're their boss, and this person is it could be any scenario, but they're not, they're not like intention.
	When I say intentional, they're not intentionally being condescending or rude about it.
	They're just like, this is what I believe.
	I'm not saying it in like a snarky way.
	It's just like, Felicity, that's a she.
	But if she thinks she's a he, I'm just, I'm not like, oh, she's, she's great.
	If that makes sense.
	If you're her boss, I think then you have an obligation to your employee to use the pronouns that they are choosing.
	If you're her friend or something, I mean, she can't really do anything or have any bad things.
	But if you're the dictator, if you were the dictator, right?
	That's already in itself a problem, but okay.
	Would you pass a law criminalizing intentional misgendering?
	Depends on who the law is for.
	Bosses and CEOs and people of power?
	Sure.
	I mean, they have an okay.
	But like me and you, if I called you a he, I mean, I hope you wouldn't have to mean.
	I wouldn't care.
	No criminalizing on this one for me.
	No criminalizing.
	The mean streets of Santa Barbara.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, God.
	Brutal, brutal.
	Crazier.
	It's wild out here.
	And criminalization can be like a fine, or are you talking about like jail?
	Well, let's start with just a fine.
	It's a $500 fine to misgender.
	No.
	I misgender people by, well, I guess mistake.
	Yeah.
	There's mistakes and stuff.
	I say no.
	Clearly intentional.
	So here would be the example.
	Still no.
	The person says, here are my pronouns, and the person refuses to use them and says, he, you know, he instead of she.
	Yeah.
	No criminalizing.
	Intentionally.
	Should that be criminalized?
	Should there be a fine?
	No.
	No.
	Me and you standing on the balcony, I tell you, I'm a he, you continue to call me she.
	No fine.
	Me and you sitting right here on this podcast live and I have said to this group, I identify as a he, him, and you continue to call me she, her, you're getting sued.
	That's all there is to it.
	Oh, yeah, but that's different.
	And that's different than like criminalizing.
	Then it's like, you're in libel, slander.
	Yeah, you're civil.
	That wouldn't be libel or slander.
	No, it would be, what would it be?
	But yeah, but essentially that's a civil case.
	Right.
	So I think there are civil civil penalties for in that situation.
	Like, because it's a whole thing with IDs and passports now.
	Like, do they have to have it legally put on their stuff that they are that gender?
	Or are they, because that's, if it's legal and there's legal ramifications, then you could just change it back.
	Like tomorrow.
	Sex on our, like, why at this point or sex even on our IDs and stuff?
	We don't need to know.
	Should there be like a fine for misgendering?
	I don't think you could bring it into law because, like I was saying, there's stuff with IDs.
	Like people don't automatically just change those legal documents.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So that's it's murky, but I think that there should be a you can't get a fine for name calling.
	No.
	What do you think?
	So I don't think there shouldn't be a fine.
	What do you think?
	No fine.
	Well, what about this?
	High school students.
	So they're classmates, right?
	That would be a new context.
	Should there be like maybe a detention for a misgendering, intentional misgendering?
	Or should there be maybe if they repeat it three times, should there be a suspension?
	No, I think it depends on the person.
	That person knows that they're causing harm.
	So it's not even about the misgendering.
	It's about that you're intentionally trying to cause someone harm.
	So there should be a repercussion if you're, especially if you're in school.
	Yeah, but you would just make the reverse argument that by them using, like if it's just totally separate, maybe they're religious, you would be causing the individual harm because they're causing themselves harm by lying.
	If they think it's lying, if they don't think it's the truth, then you're inflicting harm on them.
	It does no harm for you to say he, she, they, or them to a person.
	It just, there's that, for his argument, he thinks it's lying and people are against lying.
	You can justify a lot of crazy shit if you go into other people's business and go, you said this thing and I'm offended by it, which is why we don't like, I'm offended by everything.
	You said this, you're making me do this.
	So, yeah, no fines.
	Okay, but intentional harm is intentional harm.
	Like she said, if you know that a person has stated to you, legally otherwise, I identify as such.
	What harm, whether you believe it or not, it doesn't matter.
	If they want to sit there and be a potato, let them be a potato.
	You're not eating the potato.
	You acknowledging that that person feels that way about themselves does nothing to you at the end of the day.
	It just doesn't.
	Usually, if you don't like something, you just get away from it.
	If someone's in a-hole, you should just get away from them.
	If someone's misgendering on purpose, just get away from it.
	It's like dating on their pizza.
	You're not going to.
	So there's probably scenarios where, just for like the simplicity's sake, some people are really hard lined with this.
	Like, if I'm just not interested, like in like a particular case offending somebody, or I'm just not like, it doesn't, there's situations where I just don't care.
	It doesn't matter.
	I'd probably like go along with it just because, like, to avoid the situation.
	There's probably situations where, like, if you're a student in college and your professor's transgender, like, that's probably like you're probably going to have to bite the bullet just for the sake of getting a good grade in the class, even if it's against your thought process.
	But like, I'm speaking, you know, outside of these, outside of these specific instances, there are situations where, or not rather, not situations, but if we're having a conversation about the issue itself and we're actually, it well, is it a woman?
	I, that's what we're talking about here.
	We're talking about the truth.
	Who's truth?
	Yours or that person?
	No, I see.
	I get what you're saying.
	There is to a certain degree, like, we all have to live in the same society and we all do to a certain point have to agree on what is the truth.
	Yeah.
	I don't think it's any different than what like she had mentioned earlier.
	If it's something you're just not in agreement with or it's a situation that makes you uncomfortable, get out of it.
	Now, if it's like a work school situation, you guys, you got to learn to figure it out.
	Do I think it should be criminalized?
	What Brian's argument is is that in the war going on between our society of people who are in agreement and disagreement, let's say he's saying someone's in school.
	Let's say you have a super liberal principal.
	And so they're like taking the side of the student who's trans or using like different pronouns than they normally would.
	So of course, like you're at a super liberal school, maybe they're siding with that student.
	Whereas if you go to a more conservative school, they might be telling the other student, like, hey, you're going through some sort of like it depends on the place you are in society.
	And like that's that is an issue I see long term in society is that we have these two opposing views and it is clashing.
	And how do we come together?
	We are getting there.
	We're all human and our genitals do not matter.
	At the end of the day, why do we even have, I'm not saying why do we have genders, but why is it who cares?
	Like if you put in your resume, I shouldn't be worried about whether you're male, female, or what you present.
	You're a human being.
	And I think when we come down to making those gender distinctions, that's why we're at war.
	At the end of the day, we're all just humans.
	Doesn't really, we, this is just us classifying each other, like, oh, I'm not going to respect you because the genitals you have don't match with your pronouns.
	At the end of the day, they're a person, their experience matters, and that's it.
	It doesn't really matter what they have down there.
	I mean, it just doesn't.
	Yeah, no, no, no, what they call it.
	I would agree with that, but I feel like, especially like in a maybe a school or work situation, you're probably going to talk to somebody more directly.
	Hey, can you do this for me?
	Not, hey, she.
	I think that there's really only particular situations.
	And I think that's why he's asking, if you're a dictator, would you criminalize this in some form?
	And I think it almost is a slippery slope because then it comes down to belief.
	Some people truly believe that gender and sex are the same thing, where people see the opposite.
	So how do you criminalize that?
	And then what's next?
	Then is it religion?
	Yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	So you'd have to criminalize ideology on that one.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And that's what people are scared because I think people who have that mindset, the they, them, the transgender people, you know, the non-binary, it's becoming more and more and more prevalent.
	And the people who don't identify with that way of life are, in my opinion, freaking out.
	Like, how do we navigate these LGBTQIA people?
	Just respect and love them just the way you would a non-LGBTQIA person.
	And if those situations arise, address them with empathy and love.
	This person says, yeah, he, they, whatever.
	I don't really agree with it.
	I'll call them that while I'm addressing them because that's how they feel.
	But at the end of the day, I'll go home and still feel the same way.
	Is you respecting that person going to change your mindset?
	Obviously not.
	So why not just give them that respect and empathy while you're addressing them, especially if you're in a professional setting?
	At the end of the day, they're just a human.
	What they decide to call themselves should not matter to you and what you do with your life.
	It does matter to a certain group of people, though, who are trying to maintain a certain order in society.
	And are they right?
	Are they wrong?
	Personally, I'm not exactly sure, but it does matter to them because if these wars between the cultures continue on, it's just going to wreak havoc.
	And I think part of while conservatives have their own issues, I think part of the issue that they're having with this is that they see these people as having a very severe mental illness.
	And while they can respect them as a person, they can't respect the mental illness of it all.
	So what do you do if a person has an illness?
	You disrespect this.
	And if it is illness, I wouldn't say you disrespect them, but also you don't go blindly with their beliefs.
	But if they're sick, then you disrespecting or not respecting is not going to heal them.
	They're still going to be aware of that.
	I was saying earlier, you don't cause harm to people on purpose.
	However, some people on the more conservative side would be saying, well, they're causing me harm because they're being so mentally ill that it's becoming almost a hassle on society.
	So do we sit there and say the same thing about obese people?
	They are people who are not afraid of the sake of the people.
	For the sake of time, I've got to move it on.
	We have one chat here from Lulu.
	If this would work, actually work.
	Thank you, Lulu.
	Lululu donated $200.
	Trans sympathizers are basically willing to bend truth and logic for the sake of trans people's feelings.
	Care 2.
	Do you think that making choices based on feelings and emotions is wise for society?
	I do.
	I believe that using your human instincts and treating people with love and respect is how we are going to survive as a race, not by describing each other's genitals or using pronouns.
	I think at the end of the day, none of that will matter to the success of the human race, is whether you are they, them, trans, or what.
	I think that us as a people supporting and loving each other and having community, that's that's it.
	All right.
	Um, I would have, I'd be more than happy to engage further in it, but we've got a bit more to get through, so I'm gonna have to move it on.
	Uh, guys, we've lowered the TTS.
	We're uh, this is gonna be the roast threshold.
	So, if you guys are like holding out for like the 30 or the $29 TTSs, we're just gonna do $69 TTS, and that'll be the Rose session, and then we'll wrap.
	So, don't hold out for the 30s because 69 is the that's gonna be the end of it.
	So, let's see here.
	There's oh, let's do uh, you know, that was kind of a heavy topic.
	Let's do the AI stuff, that'll be fun.
	Oh, yay!
	All right, so uh, we have age-advanced, all of you here.
	I saw a little super posing picture.
	Yeah, I'm so excited for this.
	All right, uh, go ahead and pull it up.
	It's gonna be so dumb, okay.
	Oh, is the first picture of the sweet I look like today?
	You when did you pose for this?
	It was when I did the story.
	Oh, okay.
	I'm like, when did we get it?
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, goofy as a logo.
	I know I made a grandma.
	Yeah, nice.
	Okay, all right.
	You look like a fun grandma.
	And then whoever is doing these, I think we've done some adjustments.
	Mara and the Discord, thank you.
	I think it's so far that one looks a bit better than usual.
	Usually it goes a bit, the AI goes overboard with it.
	So well done.
	All right.
	Next age difference.
	Oh, horrible.
	Yeah.
	Wee-wee.
	So this relates to our like, will you look better in 10-20-30?
	Is that 1020?
	There can't be 1020.
	I don't know the exact break.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There it is.
	Next.
	Aww.
	You look sweet.
	I'm not.
	No, kidding.
	Accept the compliment.
	Thank you very much.
	I'm receiving that.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, my God.
	I thought she just agreed.
	Did the AI Wow.
	You went from Asian to Latina.
	I look like my grandmother.
	I'm not going to lie.
	You look like Janae Iko.
	I've had a couple people tell me that.
	I think from a certain angle, maybe.
	Oh, she's actually more.
	No idea.
	She's Asian.
	You should look her up, Brian.
	Next.
	Not aging gracefully.
	I'm sure you're not.
	I hope you keep this.
	That one's really bad.
	Chopped.
	Did you just say chopped?
	Yeah, I'm chopped.
	Into the mic if you can.
	Yeah, no, that's horrible.
	I hope I die before the age of 50.
	No.
	Oh, my gosh.
	R-I-P-M.
	That's so extreme.
	That's extreme.
	It's only because you're a baby sneaker.
	That's you at 98.
	That last one.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, you look so sweet.
	So seriously.
	All right.
	I will buy whatever you're selling is really what I'm seeing.
	Next.
	Ew.
	Ew.
	That one's awful.
	Ew.
	Oh, my gosh.
	It's not the worst, though.
	That is the worst.
	It's not the worst.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Here we go.
	This is probably Andrew next.
	Oh, darn.
	Darn.
	It would have been great.
	Oh, wow.
	He would have loved that.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh.
	They used like an old, that's an old photo.
	That's kind of scary.
	And why?
	I didn't know.
	It's a really bright picture.
	Yeah.
	Lots of light.
	Yeah, a headshot.
	Uh, no, I feel like I'd want to see you now with the beard and the AI do it.
	Yeah, uh, is there another one, or is it gender?
	All right, oh god, before we do gender, uh, oh, I've done this before, they did this, me as a dude.
	Oh, whoops, sorry, Lulu, I'm gonna change the threshold.
	Not sure what why that happened there.
	One sec, there's like five questions in one right now.
	We're gonna do boom, sorry, Lulu's message.
	Lulu donated $69.
	Care two, do you think trans people should be allowed in women's sports?
	What do you think about the girls or JK Rowlings that are against that?
	Is there validity to their qualms?
	Quick answer on this, if you can.
	I'm not too versed on the JK Rowlings things other than like she's against or not like for trans people.
	I would say I dated a trans woman very recently, and she was very biologically male, like muscles and all.
	I would think that like a person with that type of body, I wouldn't put them in a women's sport.
	I would maybe put them in a different, like maybe a sport for transgender women or have a league for just transgender women.
	I think that's very circumstantial, though.
	This person had like lots of muscles, though.
	So, all right, let's do gender swap.
	Let's do this.
	Oh, yeah.
	I love this.
	Ready?
	I don't know.
	By the way, Matt, I saw your chat.
	Look, the thing is, is that it's funny when you're anonymous, sending in like insulting messages, like making comments about like people's weight or their race or whatever.
	But like, if you're in a room with somebody, that's completely unacceptable and inappropriate.
	And look, sometimes they slide through accidentally.
	And you can call me a simp if you want, man, but there's just like a certain degree of these are guests here on the on the show.
	And a lot of the, a lot of the, you look, there's very few other YouTube channels, live streams where they would ever allow through some of the chats that we do allow through.
	And there's just some that are just like just strictly insults.
	So sometimes they get through, but we're not gonna like, if you're just being egregiously insulting and you're not actually criticizing like anything that they're saying, it's just an insult.
	Like you can attack their, you can tack, you can attack their arguments, you can attack their ideology, but if you're just in like personal attacks, that's really not going to fly.
	And I don't know how else to say it, man.
	I don't know else how to say it.
	You guys can call me Simps in the chat, but it's just, and it's just, it's not conducive to like the topics that we talk about are already controversial to begin with.
	And then like, we're going to throw on top of that.
	We're just going to outright insult the guests.
	That's never my goal.
	Again, we're already having like uncomfortable conversations as it is.
	I don't need the guests to feel further discomfort just by just getting straight up like insulted over race and stuff.
	That's crazy, guys.
	That's crazy.
	I'm not going to allow it.
	If you don't like that, I don't know what to tell you.
	And as far as the TTS, it's already very late.
	We'll be here way too long if the roast is if the roast is lower.
	So yeah, because there's a ton more to get through.
	So sometimes we don't always get to do like a roast session at the lower rate.
	It is what it is.
	It was a kind of a pretty hectic panel tonight.
	That's integrity.
	Thank you so much because that's leadership right there.
	That is amazing.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	I fucking love that.
	That shit's so sexy.
	It is hot.
	Okay.
	I kind of killed it.
	Hey, yeah.
	Thank you.
	Andrew was dunking on me today, so I'll take a comment.
	Yeah, like it's just, I don't know.
	And sometimes, look, sometimes some comments get through and it's like, nah, that one's probably a little on the fence.
	Or it's just like, guys, if you enjoy the, here's the best way I could put it that I think people will be understanding of not wanting certain chats to go through.
	So if we want to get guests on the show, like, and somebody is contemplating coming on the show who could be extremely entertaining for you and you'd want to hear either their arguments or you'd want to hear them debate against me, against Andrew, against somebody else.
	It is not in furtherance and not conducive to securing guests for the show.
	If somebody pulls up a stream and it's just like super chat after super chat of just straight up like racism and insults and all this stuff.
	So if you guys want me to put on a good show, like the actual content, like the super chats are fun, but the content of the show is the conversations.
	And trust me, guys, like the amount of people, and the shows already walks the line, like I said, there's plenty of people who we've had scheduled to be on the show or we've invited.
	Well, I'll start with people who've been scheduled on the show.
	The amount of people who flake as is just due to the nature of the conversations, but there's a component of like the super chats that makes people hesitant to come on the show.
	So there's that.
	It's already difficult enough as it is, guys, to like book guests to come on the show.
	We're down to one show per week.
	If it's really in terms of, and I apologize for yapping here, guys, but I feel it's important to explain this to the audience.
	We're already down to one show per week due to guest.
	Well, part of it's, there's a couple reasons, but one of it is difficulty with guest booking.
	The super chats are fucking brutal.
	People don't want to be associated with that.
	They just don't.
	They don't want to be associated with it.
	And so I'm very supportive and or I'm very grateful for people who do support the show via super chat and whatnot.
	But I just got to be considerate of the guests and I got to be considerate of my own platform to ensure that I can continue to get guests for the show.
	So it's, anyways, that's it.
	So I just wanted to explain that because I saw Matt's chat.
	So we have Christopher here.
	There's a video where a guy asked something like, if it's illegal for men to use steroids in bodybuilding competitions, why isn't it, isn't, oh my God, sorry, I'm still drunk.
	Why isn't it illegal for women to use makeup in beauty pageants?
	Thoughts.
	Quick answer on this from anybody?
	That would be an awesome pageant.
	Nothing.
	Yeah, I think there should be two types of natural Christopher's.
	Yeah.
	Very, very good point there.
	Christopher, yeah.
	Okay, so the next thing we're going to do here with the AI is gender swap.
	We're going to gender.
	We've gender swapped all of you.
	So the question you're going to ask yourself is, would I date the male version of me?
	Go ahead, pull it up.
	Okay.
	Oh, okay.
	Interesting.
	Wait, I need to see it again.
	I need to see it.
	Maybe.
	Yeah, I think I would.
	I'd go on a date or two.
	There you go.
	All right.
	Next.
	What's the one?
	With purple hair.
	I need something with the purple hair.
	I'm a lesbian.
	But you've dated many.
	Yes.
	Sure.
	I give me a shot.
	Why not?
	One date.
	One first date.
	The guilty thing or whatever is not doing that.
	Whoa.
	It's kind of hot.
	Felicity.
	Give it without a date.
	If you ever transition, she's right.
	Hey.
	Would you date the male version of you?
	I'd give him a shot.
	Which do you prefer, the beard or no beard?
	I think I like the beard, right?
	Well, I don't know.
	Let me ask her.
	No beard.
	No beard.
	I don't really like facial hair on guys usually.
	Okay, for her, I'm going no beard.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's do next.
	I was scared.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, wait, you guys said yes.
	I'm not in my tire.
	What?
	You don't like Asian guys?
	I didn't say that.
	Wow.
	I've just never dated an Asian guy.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Middle one looks like my brother.
	I've never did an Asian guy.
	I've gone on one first date with one Asian guy.
	I think most Asian guys don't approach me.
	So I'll just put it that way.
	But I also don't go on a lot of dates.
	Did you date like white guys, Latino guys?
	Yeah, I've dated a mix of white, Hispanic, black, a mix of all those.
	Who's the baby daddy?
	Half white, half Mexican.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So is this a no?
	Is this a no, though?
	I don't know.
	Sure.
	First date.
	Let's see where it goes.
	I'm off.
	Let's drop vibes.
	No, you're blocked.
	No, you're blocked.
	I look like I do drugs.
	No, you're blocked.
	I'm not like a man.
	Nerd, stop.
	I look like my friend.
	I look like a girl.
	You look like my best friend.
	You look like a lady.
	You just need some time.
	I know exactly what I look like, and I know he's watching.
	This looks just like you, dude.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, no.
	I look terrible.
	I will date you instead of my.
	Okay, I'll take it.
	You look like a professor.
	No.
	But you look handsome.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yeah, you're the hottest.
	She's trying to.
	I'd be short, though, even if I transitioned.
	You can't fix the high.
	I'm short anyway.
	Are you okay with the love connections up here?
	This is in a matchmaking show.
	Oh, yeah, wait.
	Oh, boy.
	Bring up the other one, the pink one.
	It's lost forever.
	Oh, wait, no.
	No.
	That's great.
	I think the metal one looks like a cake pulp.
	Seriously.
	Well, men should not do bangs like that.
	That just doesn't work.
	But that's just got out of the shower.
	Here, Felicity, cover the hair up.
	Like, go like that.
	Hold.
	Yeah.
	That's a cute white boy.
	Yeah.
	You know, just push the bangs back.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, that's young Andrew Wilson on the left.
	I was like, who is that?
	What is on the right?
	Wait, on the right?
	Yeah, he's Asian all over.
	How did he get younger Asian?
	It's the Asian Asian.
	Like, really?
	Wait, what?
	He looks attractive as an Asian.
	As an Asian woman?
	Yeah.
	Okay, yeah, sure.
	I don't know how they got there, but I love that one.
	All right.
	Next.
	Oh, my gosh.
	What?
	I don't think AI is.
	I'm doing the right thing.
	Maybe it's getting confused with the beard.
	Second homebird with a little bit of filler.
	Super cute.
	I like the left one.
	The left one is a little bit more.
	Honestly, though, tell me, guys, tell me what you think about this.
	So the one on the right, so the transition from my beard to there.
	Yeah.
	Like, I got one of those like that's a model.
	You know how models can be looking kind of like aliens and shit?
	Yes.
	Not like a Victoria Secret model, but like one of those.
	Like a runway model, like that makes a lot of money.
	Does that like check out, I guess?
	Yes.
	Does that parse, I guess?
	Yes.
	Like you have the features where it's like, oh, okay, wait, hold on.
	I got to see the walk.
	But then all of a sudden, that girl takes a photo and you're like, oh my God.
	She's tall.
	Like, you can't, like, she's hot, but ugly at the same time.
	Model.
	Like, you don't know.
	Different, very different.
	Like, alien-looking chick.
	Yeah.
	I see, like, that's what the runway model is.
	They look for like unique features.
	Yeah.
	It's like something you can't find anywhere else.
	That's a unique looking chick.
	You're unique.
	Christopher Murphy.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	Yeah, send it through, brother.
	Send me a DM.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, brother.
	Nice.
	All right, we have this comment.
	And says Raw donated $69.
	Appreciate you, man.
	Do you think transgender women or men, fully intact, should be allowed in women's locker/slash dressing rooms?
	Do you think it's fair to ask biological women to open space, knowing some have been sit?
	Wait, do you think it's for an asthological women?
	Quick response on this, if you can.
	I think this is for human if you.
	As far as the locker rooms, I'm going to say, yeah.
	I mean, because for me, like, what does it matter if they're changing clothes next to you?
	Like, everyone changing clothes next to you isn't trying to have sex with you.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, let them change clothes and shower next to you is not a big deal.
	You don't have to be in a relationship with them.
	Yeah.
	I don't think someone who's changing genders is really trying to jump your bones.
	Yeah.
	And either way, like, it's if someone wants to essay someone in a locker room, they're going to do it whether or not they're going to go there and do it.
	Yeah.
	Moon, in your notes here, or while in the questionnaire, you agree with the following statement.
	Women are just as physically strong as men.
	Can you just clarify?
	You think.
	Some.
	Definitely.
	I wouldn't say myself, but some women are definitely.
	Or more.
	In general, would you agree that men are physically stronger than women?
	I would say that men have the biological makeup to be stronger than us.
	But if a man doesn't work out and a woman does, she's going to be stronger.
	Y'all are set up to be stronger.
	Yes, of course.
	That's.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree with you that there are certainly, there are women who are stronger than some men.
	Yep.
	Perhaps many men even.
	But if we, generally speaking, men are physically stronger than women, generally.
	Most men.
	Do you disagree?
	You seem a little.
	I can't tell.
	Oh, you were just kind of.
	Maybe it's just how you're talking about it.
	Oh, it's the champagne.
	Of course.
	What do they call champagne in China?
	In Chinese.
	Xiangbing.
	Changbing.
	Changbing.
	Chongbin.
	Chiang.
	Champagne.
	Champine.
	Bing.
	Yeah.
	Champine.
	Champing.
	Do they make champagne in sparkling wine, I guess?
	Why would they not?
	What the fuck?
	I feel like we should talk about dating in China.
	Oh.
	Do you have any thoughts on that?
	Any?
	All the days that I had were like marriage oriented.
	It's very, do people hook up in China?
	To get sex?
	Yeah, like just, you know, they go to a party.
	Like, I'm assuming there's, you know, nightclubs.
	You go to a nightclub in China, and, you know, wherever, and people just.
	Yeah, some people do that, but such behavior is not considered decent.
	Like you wouldn't want all your classmates or your friends to know that unless you are all the same kind of people.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And well, I feel like there's definitely people definitely got to hook up in China.
	Yeah.
	Because I mean, there's a lot of people in China.
	What is it?
	It's 1.4 billion.
	1.
	They're having sex in China.
	They have hookup culture.
	They're having sex.
	But, like, people have to get married first.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And let's see here.
	Do you want to get married or have kids?
	Yeah.
	You do want kids?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And do you have, I forgot to ask, do you have a preference for when it comes to like would you date?
	Because you said you dated another Chinese international student when you were in Germany and an Indian guy who have not dated a white person or black person?
	No.
	Or Latino person?
	No.
	Mexican?
	Not yet.
	No.
	Would you or do you have, do you prefer to date Asian men?
	I think I can date Latinos, but like I dance South Salem Pachata now.
	And I know a lot of Latinos and Latinas.
	I have a little bit issue with their punctualities.
	And some people just don't respond to my messages at all.
	I mean, it's just certain people.
	And then would you date a white guy?
	Yeah.
	Black guy?
	I don't know.
	I think my parents would cry.
	Like, literally, my grandma was crying when she heard that I was dating an Indian guy and we wanted to live outside China.
	She was in her 90s.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Are people pretty racist in China?
	I think people are not aware of this issue because there are not enough foreigners.
	People who haven't been to the big cities have not seen any foreigner in their whole life.
	So people don't know whether they are actually racist or not.
	But I would say because I dated this Indian guy, so I would notice a lot of comments in the internet.
	They were pretty racist, especially against brown people or black people.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Moving on to the questionnaire.
	We probably won't do all of these, but we'll just do a few more.
	Shannon, you did a squiggly line.
	People of color can't be racist towards white people.
	I don't think the word shit.
	To which you agree.
	I put squiggly because I think the wording, I don't think that they can be racist, but I think that they can be.
	Prejudice.
	Yeah, they can be prejudiced.
	And then, Gabby, you also circled that people of color can't be racist towards white people.
	What's your position there?
	Same thing.
	You can be prejudiced, but not racist.
	Okay.
	Can you explain it to me?
	Racism, it's more systematic when you really think about it.
	Because we had the civil rights movement for a reason.
	We were, well, I can't say we because I'm mixed.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Are you like 50-50?
	Yeah, 50-50.
	But it was.
	Dad's black or mom's black?
	Dad's black.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Yeah, but it was more or less of a thing that black people had to fight for the rights as well as other people of colors.
	And to this day, there's still ways that they're being oppressed.
	And the prison system is a way of that it really shows.
	Black people get incarcerated at higher rates.
	And when you're in prison, you work, work for like five cents.
	Wait, one question on that.
	So you said related to the prison thing.
	So you're saying there's a disproportionality comparing whites to blacks in the prison system.
	Like black people are more likely to be convicted of crimes.
	Incarcerated.
	And you think, is it, would you say that's because of racism?
	Not inherently, no, because everyone commits crimes, but a part of it kind of is.
	The whole prison system, like the working, initially when it was started, it was just a way to incarcerate black people and have them do slave more slave work.
	Because it was mainly in the South.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, historically, yes.
	There's an incentive there.
	Still to this day, there's still, like, a lot of help.
	But they still work in prison for, like, peanut wages.
	Well, sometimes they get time off.
	It's iffy, but it's more or less like racism is a systematic oppression, not just a hate of their skin color.
	Okay, but question for you.
	So you're pointing towards there's a discrepancy in convictions and incarceration between whites and blacks.
	But what if I told you that discrepancy is orders of magnitude greater comparing men to women?
	So, and you're pointing towards, well, the discrepancy between white and black, that's due to racism, right?
	Well, then surely following your own logic, you would have to say that the discrepancy between men and women in the prison system must be due to sexism.
	No, and that's the different thing.
	Black men are most of the time prosecuted because of their skin color and sent, like, they get charges against them.
	But there's other ways black women face racism, specifically.
	Well, white men are more incarcerated than black women.
	That's what I'm getting to.
	It's different a little bit for the genders within the black community.
	the thing is with black women it's also um they're less likely to get proper treatment in hospitals and things like that there there's a yeah but let's stick to the prison thing um okay Okay.
	Can you explain that?
	Can you reiterate that?
	Well, so my question to you was, you're pointing towards the discrepancy between whites and blacks in prison as evidence of racism.
	And I'm telling you that there's an even greater discrepancy between men and women in prison.
	So that too should then be evidence that would be due to sexism.
	Following your own logic?
	No, because that's a whole different thing.
	How's it different?
	That's a gender breakdown, not a race breakdown.
	But if you're saying a discrepancy exists, right?
	Between the races, yes.
	Between the races.
	And you're saying this discrepancy exists because racism.
	So you'd have to acknowledge that there is a discrepancy between men in the prison system and women in the prison system.
	There's far more men.
	That discrepancy is far greater between men and women than it is between black and white.
	So this must be due to sexism, right?
	I'd say more or less because most men commit more violent crimes and things like that.
	There's a higher percentage of men committing violence.
	Are you sure you want to make this argument?
	Yes, I know, but you're probably going to be right.
	Hold on, but if I were to present to you evidence that if there were statistics that showed that black people committed more crimes, would that then explain away your claims that it's due to racism for the discrepancy between white and black?
	Depends on the crime.
	I know it's not my question, but I think it depends on the crime.
	A little bit, yeah.
	But I can't really defend that because honestly, I did some research on this, but not as much as I probably should have, which is kind of crappy.
	I'd say that's more or less because of the this higher incarceration rate and also because of other things within the black community itself like gang violence and things like that.
	So, I mean, yes, and no, I don't.
	I do think that there might be some sexism in there for sure.
	I mean, we allow men to push down their emotions and they go bigger, right?
	Women are doing more small crime and small things.
	You get the slap on the wrist.
	So there's definitely both cases.
	You have sexism and racism going on for sure.
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, if you look at sentencing disparities, so there's some statistics that indicate, and I'd actually have to do more research to say something definitive, that there's a sentencing disparity.
	So the length, you know, the length of the sentence, the prison sentence, between whites and black, there's disparity there.
	Yeah.
	But the disparity, again, not just the incarceration rate, but the disparity in terms of sentence length, incarceration length, is again, the disparity between men and women dwarfs the disparity between white and black.
	And so oftentimes, for example, I mean, look, I could give you anecdotes.
	You guys could probably give me anecdotes in return.
	Well, perhaps it's not anecdotes, but I mean, and I think this happened in Ventura Felicity.
	So I don't know if you like you're kind of living that, like you live further down south.
	There was this woman who was smoking marijuana with her boyfriend or like hook casual hookup or situationship, and she had like marijuana-induced psychosis.
	And then she stabbed him to death and also stabbed her dog.
	He died.
	She got let off with probation and community service.
	Wow.
	I would find it very unlikely if a man murdered a woman, even if it was marijuana-induced psychosis, whatever that is, stabbed her to death, that he would get off.
	He would not see the inside of a prison cell.
	Unless he's got a lot of money, like a whole boatload.
	Even then, and then he's fleeing the country.
	Her dog.
	Oh, yeah.
	But I think that's two separate things, like the sexism thing that's going on, where it's like, yeah, I agree.
	Like, it's like, and I think a lot of us do, where women can get away with certain things that men can't.
	And then, but then the disparity of race, of course, is a separate clarification.
	Because isn't the question white people can't experience racism?
	So if somebody's going to be able to do that.
	Yeah, we can bring it back to that.
	We got that.
	I'm just a little, well, I'm just a little confused when I'm asking because obviously it's not a, it's not really like my question or my fight, right?
	But I'm just wondering, so if somebody were to do a crime, because you're talking about prison system, against someone because they were white, is that not racism?
	I hope I don't sound ignorant.
	I'm really just.
	That was a good question.
	Let's go.
	No, it is a good question.
	And in that sense, I'd say, yeah, I guess.
	Probably, yeah, that would be a form of racism.
	It's just the bigger picture is systematic.
	I'd say more prejudice, I guess, because it's based in just hate and a dislike for that, I guess.
	For that race, though.
	Yes.
	Maybe I'm not understanding.
	Maybe I feel like maybe I don't understand what the word racist definitionally means.
	I don't know.
	But so are there any instances where a black person can be racist towards a white person?
	You're asking me.
	Oh, I thought you were squiggly on this.
	Because you said it was prejudice, right?
	Yeah, just the word.
	Yeah, but I'm asking racist.
	I agree with what was your name again?
	Gabby.
	Gabby.
	How could you forget my homegirl's name?
	I apologize.
	My moment with me and my map.
	It's okay.
	It's about it.
	Yeah, I would just say I agree with you that it's like racism is systemic and like white people don't face the same type of systemic racism.
	So other races can be prejudiced towards white people, but it's not the same exact racism.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's some counter arguments here.
	I think you could argue that affirmative action is systemically racist against white people.
	Why?
	Women got so many benefits out of affirmative action.
	We benefited white women.
	Well, there's like, there's gender-based affirmative action, race-based affirmative action.
	So you would argue if like perhaps otherwise more merit-based white candidates were overlooked because of their race.
	You actually see this happening a lot with Asian students in particular.
	So like there's a big scandal with these Ivy League schools, Harvard, for example.
	So as an Asian person, you had to score way higher than white people, Latino people, and black people to be able to get in.
	So that was like a sort of, and Asian people are minorities, but they're like, they're not the right kind of minority in the sense of, well, they're discriminated against in a different sort of way.
	That is still discrimination.
	It is still discrimination.
	But like with Harvard, basically they were like, you know, these Asian people are way too smart and we're letting too many of them in.
	Wow.
	But that would be a racist against Asian people just in a sort of different way.
	Absolutely.
	But it's also just unfair.
	I think the best people, the best people, should get the acceptance into the university.
	Yes.
	And when you overlook the best people, the smartest people, and well, you know, we got to do the, what is it?
	The inclusion thing.
	Yeah, no one's really doing that.
	Yeah, I get what you mean, though.
	Yeah.
	And it should be the best candidate.
	I think a study just came out that showed, and they did across the board, they did all fake, you know, applications or whatever.
	But a study over several years, and I'm not debating anything, I'm just sharing the information.
	But they did white and black candidates, all fake applications, and they did white, two, four groups, white that had no criminal record, white that had criminal record, black that had no criminal record, and black that, you know what I'm talking about?
	And then black with criminal record.
	And what they showed is that a white person with a criminal record was getting more job opportunities than a black person with no criminal record.
	So I get that we shouldn't do a crazy thing where it's like you should just get people in because of, no one's really doing that though.
	But I think that, here's something I can share.
	I didn't realize that I had a bias.
	I had a bias in me and I was coaching.
	You don't like black people?
	What?
	No, not that kind of bias.
	Sorry.
	Not that kind of bias.
	I meant like I go towards or move towards or select things that look like me.
	And I didn't know that I was out doing that.
	Years ago, I was working underneath a boss of mine and she was having me do the articles.
	And so she's Latin.
	I was doing the articles and I was selecting photos for the articles, doing it for months, thought I'm doing a great job.
	And she sat me down and she was like, hey, let's look this over.
	She goes, look at the articles I posted and published and look at the articles that you posted and published.
	Do you see any difference?
	I looked at them.
	I was like, no, they look good.
	I think I'm doing a good job.
	And she goes, look again.
	And I'm looking and I can't see it.
	And she goes, Natalie, on mine, I have Asian, black, white.
	I have all different ethnicities and races.
	She's like, you only keep putting in white people.
	And I was like, oh, oh.
	So that's, yeah.
	So, going back to the, I guess, the original thing here, people of color can't be racist towards white people.
	It's just when it comes to the definition of racism, you've changed the definition to be prejudice plus power, basically, right?
	Is that your definition?
	And you've changed the definition to suit you so that often, well, not saying, not actually accusing you guys of this, but they've changed it so that your racism or your sexism can't be labeled as such.
	But I think that, look, ultimately, I think people should be judged as individuals, not as part of some group identity.
	But one question to you: let's say there's a company and the CEO is black, the board of directors are black, and they refuse to hire a white janitor.
	Would that be racism?
	Why are they refusing to hire?
	Just because of the race?
	Because he's white.
	But I'll let you answer.
	Go ahead.
	Those circumstances, based in power, pretty much.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why do you feel hesitant to just be like, yeah, that would be racist?
	Well, it is racist.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	And would you agree?
	Like, would you agree with that if a black CEO of a multi-billion dollar company refused to hire a white janitor?
	Would that be racism?
	It's solely just based off of his race, and yeah, probably.
	Okay.
	We wouldn't call it discrete.
	Fair enough.
	But yeah.
	But the butt cut.
	Go ahead.
	Let's hear it.
	The broader thing for me is just mainly the systematic issues within racism itself.
	It doesn't benefit.
	It benefits the white people more than it does people of color.
	So that's my main issue.
	And that's why I see racism the way I do.
	Okay.
	I also just don't think me, well, me personally, because I'm halfway, I don't think I can be racist to white people.
	So it's just like you can't be racist to your own race.
	I can't be racist to my own race.
	Can't you, though?
	No.
	Wouldn't you?
	Wait, but hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Let me give you an example.
	Someone who's fully black refuses to hire black people because they have negative opinions about black people.
	Wouldn't that be race?
	I think that would be racist.
	Internalized racism.
	Internalized racism.
	Well, it'd still be racism.
	But I mean, I'm like, I'm not racist, so it's just like there's nothing I do that would be considered racist.
	I don't really know.
	Well, you wouldn't do racist things because you're not a racist, I guess.
	Wait, this is going to sound really bad, but I have to.
	I have autism, so I have to.
	Are you actually?
	Huh?
	Never mind.
	Are you?
	Do you have autism?
	Are you trying to bond over this or something?
	I'm not autistic.
	I'm sorry.
	Oh, okay.
	So can you not do it now?
	I'm just asking, like, are you allowed to say the N-word?
	Don't say it.
	I'm just saying, like, are you willing to?
	There's so much debate about it that I don't even know at this point because people say I'm white-passing.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I get told I look white passing.
	I get told I don't look inherently white, but I don't look just black either.
	I look mixed.
	The thing is, is because we're mixed, we don't align with just one race.
	We're both.
	And the thing is, they expect us to align with one more than the other.
	And it's also just you're not fitting into the groups themselves.
	Like, it's hard to bond with a just white group.
	And then sometimes it's hard to bond with just a black group.
	And it also comes down to like my family as well.
	I am not close with either side.
	I only have a few people I'm close with.
	And that's just because of my parents.
	But it's just the matter of fact that I don't fit in anywhere.
	And it's just like you're within your own thing.
	And some people say I can say it.
	Other people say it's not.
	But have you said it and has somebody gotten like mad at me for saying it?
	Because I mean, I can tell, like, you look like you're half white, half black.
	Like, it's not that, yeah, so I don't know.
	I don't know.
	And it's just also that mix people don't really face the exact same racism as darkers, like as fully black people do.
	So that's another issue within itself.
	There's just a ton of things.
	But I have like had like a few people like be like just like one or two really be serious about me saying it.
	And it was literally just like me lip-syncing a freaking TikTok.
	I have some in my comments be like, you're not black.
	I'm like, okay, thank you.
	But I do have people just like try to be funny saying it.
	Like, I'm not going to really point out who in my life did this, but there's a white girl and she was saying Ember around me.
	And I was like, you can't say that.
	And she was like, why can't I say it?
	You're half white.
	You need like, it's just.
	If I called you my Caucasian, would you be offended by that?
	It would just be funny.
	I mean, I'm still.
	Like, if I dapped you up, my Caucasian, I would just laugh.
	I'd be like, my white, I don't know, my cracker.
	I don't know.
	Okay, avoid the word if you can, but it's not.
	It's okay.
	Yeah, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	Okay.
	Don't worry.
	You didn't know.
	It's not a big deal.
	I mean, no, I'm still Caucasian.
	I mean, I'm still white.
	I'm still black.
	I guess I set that one up a little bit.
	Charlie Johnson, did anyone here choose to be the race and gender we are?
	Or did we all just get put here and now have to deal with our own choices in this life?
	My father always said, no one chose to be the way they are born.
	I say, judge people by the content of their character.
	That's beautiful.
	Oh my God, Charlie.
	I love you.
	Thank you, Charlie.
	Yay.
	No notes.
	Oh, Christopher Murphy, there's a vast generational difference regarding the race topic.
	Being raised colorblind used to be a virtue.
	Now we have to kiss the ass of those who look differently from white people.
	Well, that went to the other.
	That one's interesting.
	Thank you, Christopher Murphy, for your message.
	I'm going to let these two chats come through.
	We got.
	Oh, boy.
	Well, it is the roast session, so fuck it.
	Why not?
	We got to let a couple roasts go through.
	Base Thor donated $69.
	Sorry.
	Brian, you need to give credits to your whatever chairs for putting up with the heavy amounts of weights.
	Dump trucks and stacks.
	He's talking about all these years.
	I need to use the same chairs.
	Do we disinfect the?
	We clean them after the show.
	Usually.
	What kind of in sale comment is that?
	Base Thor.
	You're such an incel.
	That's what she's.
	I firmly don't believe you can change their race or gender.
	But maybe your species.
	Yeah, you know.
	They really get down on it.
	Look, guys, I've gained a bit of weight.
	It's in the, you know, I'm going to lose it, though.
	It's coming off.
	It's coming off.
	I've been saying this for years, but it's in the work in progress.
	What do you do to lose weight?
	What do I do to lose weight?
	Eat more burritos.
	Yeah, the thing.
	No, wait, what do you, I, do you look great?
	I'm confused.
	Well, somebody said, I didn't.
	You were, and you, you lost weight too, didn't you say?
	You lost like a lot of weight.
	I lost a bit of it, but I put that shit back on.
	It's a work in progress, though.
	Yeah.
	It's a work in progress.
	All right.
	Okay, let's do a couple more here then.
	Let's see.
	We have.
	Oh, we did need to do.
	Okay.
	A woman's past should not matter.
	We did talk about body count a little earlier.
	Moon, you agree a woman's past should not matter.
	Gabby, you agree, a woman's past should not matter.
	And remind me, the pronunciation when you?
	When you.
	When you.
	Yeah.
	Did I do it right or not?
	Kind of.
	A woman's past should not matter.
	This is kind of related to body count.
	Why do you say that?
	Yeah, I mean, isn't that objectifying woman?
	Like, if you consider that, like, if she had sex with different people.
	I don't know if it's objectifying, but here, what's your answer?
	Why doesn't by her past doesn't matter?
	Yeah.
	Why should a woman's past or should not matter?
	It depends on whether or not she's, I mean, I guess, changed from what she used to do.
	It's also down to what that person is looking for.
	If it matters to you, then it matters to you.
	But inherently to me, it doesn't matter.
	And I don't think it really should matter in the long run because what you do in the past, you can't really make up for it, you know?
	Like what you did like 10 years ago, and you bring it up, and then someone's like, oh, I don't like you because of that.
	What does that matter is a decade ago, you know?
	So I think inherently it's kind of like just a stupid way of thinking.
	Is this question just regarding body count or just or just like a woman's past in general?
	It could be taken either way.
	Yeah, well, because I know that we already have like the body count conversation.
	Yeah, I'm just taking body count.
	I mean, it could apply to other things, but typically we're just talking about body count.
	Wait, you do ASMR, right?
	The rest of the.
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh, did you see my hidden ASMR channel?
	No, but in the notes, or I think in your bio, you do ASMR.
	The rest of the show, you have to do ASMR.
	No.
	You don't like it?
	For free?
	No, I'm just kidding.
	We're getting okay.
	And then, Moon, you said, not like the weird kind.
	A woman's passion does not matter.
	Why is that?
	I mean, I'll just use myself for an example.
	If we're talking, like, you know, maybe body count and even maybe like criminal history.
	Like, you wouldn't look at me and know I've been in jail twice.
	You wouldn't look at me and maybe, you know, guess my body count.
	Like, I can say that I have a pretty high body count.
	But like, with that being said, like, I'm not a criminal.
	I've never even really committed a crime.
	You know, that's part of my past is not who I am now.
	And like, yeah, I'm a loyal person, even though I have a high body count.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So here, actually, I want to ask, you know what?
	We'll do the body count question.
	We're going to go you, Felicity, then you.
	Okay, so what's your body count?
	Two.
	Felicity?
	Sorry, what?
	Two.
	Two?
	27.
	27.
	Do you want to do the breakdown between men and women?
	Sure.
	I would say 10, maybe within me.
	10 guys.
	10 guys, and that will be what?
	17 female?
	What about you?
	Last time I was on, I said I didn't answer because you're answering, right?
	No, same answer.
	I have a boyfriend and he...
	Do you want to do range?
	Him.
	He's my range.
	Okay, man.
	At least one.
	At least one.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	One.
	That's bullshit.
	Wait, men and women are separate?
	Yeah, separate them, please.
	I would have to say probably under 25.
	I haven't counted, but that's my guesstimate.
	Some of them were couples.
	Under oh, you've like threesomes?
	Bodies, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I think I better not say it if I still want to get married.
	That is.
	Not at all.
	We just.
	Here's what we're going to do.
	So we're now engaged.
	Put it on.
	So now you don't have to worry.
	Like you're engaged.
	You can just share this.
	That was so clutch.
	That was great.
	Do you want to tell us a range?
	How about that?
	Less than 10.
	Okay.
	So nine?
	No.
	All right.
	Well, I'll say this to that.
	Where is it?
	Hold on.
	Wait, what the?
	Multiply it by three.
	That's the real number.
	Give us a range.
	I have honestly no idea.
	Did you lose count?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	But I never counted, so I couldn't lose it.
	I never counted.
	But yeah, wait, what do we got from me?
	What do you got?
	Is there a noise?
	Do you want to?
	Is it above 100?
	Men or women?
	Give us the breakdown.
	I don't.
	I honestly wouldn't even know the breakdown.
	But yeah, there's a total.
	Total.
	Above 100.
	Above 100.
	Is it above 100?
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Yeah, no, I said above 100.
	Above 200?
	Oh, I. Maybe.
	No.
	Sure.
	I was like, look, Charlie Sheen was a good aim.
	I was drunk for like 17 years.
	No, it wasn't Charlie Sheen.
	Wait, you were drunk for 17 years?
	Yes.
	I was drunk for like 17 years.
	Every day?
	Did you drunk?
	It was a lot.
	Almost every day.
	Yeah, it started to get to that.
	Okay.
	And good times.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Above, was it above 300?
	I have no idea.
	If I get that noise for saying above 300, sure, yes, absolutely.
	Okay.
	I mean, here, here's another one.
	It's over 9,000.
	Oh, my gosh.
	There it is.
	All right.
	Oh, my God.
	Thank you for making that fun.
	That was lovely.
	That was good.
	That was good.
	Okay.
	So, but it's actually over 300.
	I yes, it's over 300 if you're pushing that button.
	Nope, no buttons.
	Damn it.
	I messed it up.
	I messed it up.
	Zero buttons.
	Zero buttons.
	No buttons.
	I really like that button.
	Llama.
	Well, it includes me in the roast, so fuck it.
	Three pigs in the same room.
	Huh?
	What does that mean?
	I think it's referencing my weight because I need to lose some weight.
	Thank you for the super chat.
	You guys are going ridiculous.
	You guys are ridiculous.
	Did we do the one from Curtis Leone?
	He said, I firmly don't believe you can change your race or gender, but maybe your species.
	Yes.
	And he called me a beached whale.
	He did.
	Oh my God.
	He did.
	Thank you, Curtis.
	Appreciate it.
	It doesn't offend me.
	It doesn't bother me.
	Thick skin, I guess.
	Okay.
	Wait, where?
	Oh, body count.
	Okay, we did.
	Boom.
	Boom.
	All right.
	I think there's just two more things.
	Maybe.
	All right.
	So, Shannon, you say women are oppressed in the USA.
	Or actually, hold on.
	We'll do men or no, we're going to do men are more privileged in society than women.
	You agree.
	Moon, you agree.
	Gabby, you agree.
	When you?
	Did I say right?
	When you?
	I was going to say no.
	Yeah.
	Here.
	Yeah.
	Good idea.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What's your do you go?
	That's your Chinese name, right?
	But do you go by like Sally or something?
	You know how like a lot of Chinese students, they'll do like, oh, my name's Sally.
	I'm in the linguistics department, so I taught everybody how to pronounce my Chinese name.
	Much like a countless, I will say I'm Cassie.
	Cassie.
	Okay, I see.
	That's her ultra.
	Always pick the worst names, though.
	Like, it's always like maybe it would have made sense in the 80s or 70s, but you guys got to get, you know, like, do like a crystal or something.
	I've never heard like a Chinese person who's using like an American name.
	It's never like anything new.
	Like modern.
	It's never like Crystal or like Shaniqua.
	Yeah.
	Or like Dakota.
	Tanika.
	Never Tanika.
	You should start.
	It's sounding like a Pete Pablo song.
	Yeah, or like Becky or something.
	Oh, that would be great.
	Becca.
	Becca.
	Fucking.
	What about, yeah, Crystal or Sapphire or Monique?
	Or Chastity?
	Or what's like a stripper name?
	Destiny.
	Destiny.
	No, there's a can't.
	What's like the go-to stripper name for women?
	Isn't that it?
	Crystal.
	I think it's Crystal.
	I think it's Crystal.
	All right.
	Well, anyways, whatever.
	Okay.
	But I think anyone watching now has that list, so that's good.
	So, Shannon, men are more privileged in society or in society than women.
	Why is that?
	It's just how it's been for most of our society, and it hasn't really changed that much.
	I mean, it's slowly changing over time, but it just hasn't really flipped that script in our society.
	Give me just one example of men's men having privilege.
	Yeah.
	I mean, men don't face as much like SA as women do, and they have just more opportunities to, in the business world, usually advance in their careers.
	Do they?
	Typically, yes.
	I mean, also, it's not clear to me if, like, when it comes to like when I think of privilege, I tend to think of something, how can I best put this?
	When I think of privilege, like, it's something that's granted, right?
	Like, I'm trying to think if there was, there would be a like, so for example, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Is it a privilege to is it a privilege that women have that they're less likely to be victims of violent crime as compared to men?
	Would you say that's a female privilege?
	I mean, I think that women do face a lot of violent crime in our society as well.
	So, I think it's just violent crime is the issue, not as much.
	It's a privilege for women because women still have to deal with it.
	Right, but men also are essayed.
	So, it's different because it's like for women, part of the assaulting is because of their because they're women, they're women.
	So, just to be clear, when bad things happen to women, it's because they're women, and when bad things happen to men, I would say more specifically when it comes to essay, it's a way for men to basically like control and have dominance over women, usually without their consent.
	So, it is something that because you're a woman, you're more subjugated to than if you're a man, you have the privilege of usually not being.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't want to really go down.
	I don't want to go down a deep rabbit hole of like the essay topic.
	I was always confused, though.
	And look, perhaps it's the case.
	Maybe there's studies on it.
	I'd be curious to see them.
	This idea, like I'm this idea that it's about power, like maybe it is, but to me, the thing that would make the most sense is it's like just a piece of shit who's horny and wants to have sex.
	But, like, what gets them going?
	Like, what makes them horny?
	I think it's like the thrill of the power that they have over that other person, right?
	It's psychological a bit than just the like physical, yeah.
	There could be like maybe they get off to like well, what if it's not about power?
	They get off to harming somebody.
	That is a power dynamic, though, because you're causing harm to someone, they're they're weaker than you in that instance.
	Yeah, but in any case, uh, you mentioned when I said that men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, you said, Well, but so are women also are victims of violent crime, but they're not as likely to be victims of violent crime as men are.
	Is SA not violent crime?
	Sorry, it's a component.
	Well, yeah, I would say it's yeah, I fall under the umbrella.
	It sounds like it's not encountered counted in that for some reason.
	Like, SA isn't considered the violent crime, but the different violent crimes.
	So, they counted in the statistics, and overall, I'm my understanding is overall, including all violent crimes, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	Interesting.
	Yeah, the numbers that I saw were the other way, but I'd love to see that.
	Yeah, it's it's pretty well established.
	You can look at crime statistics, yeah.
	But that's why I wasn't sure if SA was in there or if they put that under DVD.
	The other thing, though, is the definition of grape, for example.
	Yeah, in certain jurisdictions, like men can't be victims of grape.
	That's awful.
	Like, uh, that's terrible.
	Yeah, if a woman grapes a man, you might not believe that that's actually possible.
	No, it's possible, definitely, yeah, but the actual definition of it, they don't consider a woman forcing herself onto a man, they wouldn't consider that grape.
	Do you know why that's terrible?
	Well, I think it's just the specific definition, it's like there, there's like a penetrative component to the crime.
	So, I suppose like a man could grape under the under that specific jurisdiction, a man could grape another man is mind.
	But even some of the definitions include the term like vagina, for example.
	Yeah, so maybe that's just based on jurisdiction, but it skews the data a little bit.
	But I do want to, I don't want to linger too long on that topic just because it's kind of uh never it's kind of a buzzkill.
	But men are more privileged in society than well, I'm moving on to moon.
	Why is that?
	Oh, uh, definitely like in careers, careers, okay, even like with health.
	I mean, we talked about the fact that women have periods.
	I mean, I know guys get prostate cancer and other things too, but even just having the genitalia of a woman, we get ovarian cancer, cervical cancer, like just all kinds of benefits sometimes, you know, to being a man that we women just don't have, you know.
	Okay, what about you?
	Um, I'm not too sure about like wage gaps and things like that.
	Doesn't exist, but see, I don't know anything about it.
	Yeah, but um, I think it's more like for me, socially, I guess, like just social aspects benefit men more than women, um, as well as just like general hate towards them and also the fact that there's like the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which is like kind of crappy, and then there's just other things That are just very oppressive.
	Okay, there's a lot there.
	I won't be able to make counter arguments for all.
	Well, I could make counter arguments for all of them, but for the sake of time, I can't.
	It's not clear to me, at least with the abortion argument that you made, that that has anything to do with men being more privileged because males have no reproductive rights whatsoever.
	If the woman wants to get the abortion, the man can't say anything about it.
	If the woman decides to keep the child, the man can't do anything about it.
	So, I mean, men have zero reproductive rights.
	Yeah, and I think that, I mean, it's unfair.
	And I think that's why I need to be like, when it comes to abortion, it needs to be a like lengthy discussion between you and your partner where you guys really weigh the pros and cons and things like that.
	Well, yeah, but you would agree that even if there was a lengthy conversation and the woman was leaning towards get the abortion and the man was leaning towards keep the child, there's nothing that the man could actually do to force her to keep the child.
	If she wanted the abortion, she can look at the abortion.
	Assuming she's in a state where abortion is legal.
	Yeah, that part.
	Right.
	What about you?
	Why are men more privileged in society than women?
	Why are you talking about why?
	How?
	How, rather, yeah, in China, employers will still ask about your marriage status at interviews.
	And when I graduated from my bachelor, some of the boys from my class didn't have good grades at all, but they got really good jobs just because, like, for English major, if you're a boy, like they'll just take you because all others are girls, but they want boys.
	I can't, I'm not really particularly well-versed when it comes to like feminism in China or the gender, the gender specifics in China.
	I am aware that there are certain sexist practices in China.
	You know, for example, I believe with the one-child policy, there seemed to have been some preference towards male boy babies.
	But I'm just not well-versed enough in the Chinese gender politics or whatever to really be able to address that adequately.
	But I'll just say this, though.
	What do you mean?
	I'll just say this.
	I'll just throw out my favorite argument on this.
	All of women's collective grievances just fall completely flat in the face of a singular sole male grievance, and that's war.
	And you can look at that as military conscription.
	I would even consider it within the purview of the volunteer men who volunteer.
	But forced military conscription, I would argue, and there's the suffering that men have exclusively faced in wartime and in war cannot be understated.
	I would argue that if we're looking at the amount of suffering or amount of grievance, I don't think you can look at anything and tell me there's a singular female or even in totality of all you put together all of women's grievances and they fall flat in the face of war and forced conscription.
	Wouldn't that be though, you guys are fighting other guys or fighting because, I don't know, some dictator is doing some crazy stuff overseas.
	So, I mean, you're fighting other men, right?
	And women didn't tell you to do, like, that system was set up by me and we didn't set the menu.
	Stop trying to do it.
	Right.
	So stop killing each other.
	Throughout history, there have been queens.
	Currently, there are heads of state that are female that are involved in, to some degree, military conflicts.
	Let me revise that a little bit.
	There are countries with female heads of state that are involved by proxy with certain wars.
	But queens, for example, they actually did a study.
	They looked at kings versus queens, and they actually found that queens were more likely to go to war than kings.
	Was that because people were going after them because they were female?
	Or was that studied at all?
	I'm just curious.
	I don't know the specifics.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know the specifics of it, but my understanding of the study was that these monarchs, these queens, they were more likely to go to, I don't know if it was start a war.
	I'll have to further look into that, but I believe it's, they were more likely to start a war than kings.
	Yeah, I'm curious on it because I'm wondering if it is that they're like, oh, there's a female head.
	Let's go after her.
	We can grab her land.
	And then she was having to defend.
	But no, there was, but there was, what's the name of that one queen in Bloody Mary?
	Yeah, she had a lot.
	You made a point of like, but it's men who are sending the men to war.
	Yeah.
	So?
	Like, what would that, why would that matter?
	Like, men are not this hive mind collective.
	Like, neither are women, though.
	Yeah, I'm not saying that, though.
	But you're saying, like, our collective grievances don't amount to the war thing.
	And I mean, maybe so, but I guess how does that?
	So when I'm talking about collective grievances, the difference here is, so you're talking about something else.
	You're saying, well, you're asking whose fault is that?
	Whose fault is that?
	That doesn't really relate to my statement as it relates to grievance comparison.
	So you're saying y'all should be able to cry more than us because you have to go to war?
	Is that what it is?
	I'm not saying men have to cry more.
	I'm saying if, for example, if we're looking at things through the lens of oppression or hurt or damage or suffering or privilege or lack thereof, then this specific thing, I think, is worse and has caused more suffering in the specific gender, men in this case, than all of women's collective grievances.
	So you add all the up.
	Oh, we couldn't vote for a period of time and we couldn't, we couldn't, women couldn't vote.
	The claims about SA, the claims about gender gap, the claims of whatever it is, add them all together, not as bad as all the men who have died or been forced to go to war.
	I think it's to that, though, that okay, obviously dying is the worst situation, especially in war.
	However, think about the women who collectively lost their husbands to war.
	They're grieving.
	Obviously, dying is the worst situation, but grieving that death, having to raise the children, and then having all that collective stuff that you kind of just downplayed a bit.
	There's a lot of layers to women's grieving.
	No, I'm saying that obviously dying is a war thing, but okay.
	But who's left to take care of when the men die?
	It's like the women who they've left behind.
	And obviously, like dying, like I've said, is the worst situation in war.
	However, life does continue to go on after death.
	And who's there to have to deal with the ramifications?
	It's the women who you already admitted have been through these Traumatic situations, and I'm not downplaying men's part in war is obviously completely traumatic.
	We see that.
	It's just different types of trauma.
	Like, women have to carry with them the trauma of having a husband who's died in war as well.
	Yeah, so is your position that I mean, you didn't indicate it here.
	Do you think women are the primary victims of war?
	No, because dying is obviously okay.
	So you're saying men are the primary victims of war, but and I don't disagree with you.
	Oh, I also wanted to just kind of recap in saying that that I don't think that it should really be taken as a issue of the sexes or genders.
	I think it should be taken that we collectively as men and women are actually basically fighting against like the 1%, the people who are in power, who are causing wars to actually happen.
	Like we were saying, kings and queens.
	We're turning it into a gender argument.
	But like we just said, both sexes, genders, whatever we want to call it, suffer immensely from war.
	So to be like, okay, death is the ultimate suffering.
	So I'm not going to say that that's not true.
	However, women have to carry on life after death, and that is a terrible process of grieving.
	And then having to take care of children that are still alive who actually don't have a parent in the home anymore.
	So it's terrible all around.
	Yeah.
	It's all true.
	So, yes, so I'll engage there.
	So I think where I would begin with this is that you would also have to acknowledge that men have male relatives too.
	So that would be further, not just female suffering when men die, but also male suffering when men die, whether it's fathers, brothers, friends, or sons.
	And I agree that those men usually have to step in and kind of take care of the children of the, yeah, in the community.
	My next point would be, though, is that while I'll agree with you that men aren't the exclusive sufferers when it comes to war, yeah, women also suffer.
	Children suffer.
	Boys and girls suffer when it comes to war.
	War, everybody suffers, right?
	But I think it's going to be a hard sell to tell me that when we're looking at something that's gender specific, in this case, every single country in the world, I think except for maybe there might be some small one I'm not aware of, or Israel, where forced military conscription is exclusively male.
	In all the other countries, absent maybe one or two.
	In any case, it doesn't matter because of all the major countries, only men are subject to forced military conscription.
	Do you have something?
	Yeah, actually, recently there's a bill imposed.
	Certain states, you do have to sign up for, women do have to sign up for drafts.
	There's a lot of people that are not.
	It's not true.
	It is.
	It's opt-in.
	Women can volunteer to join the military, but there's no, first off, it wouldn't be at the state level that this would be done.
	The selective service system is a federal system.
	So it would be done at the federal level.
	So there's this idea that on this individual state level, some of the women can be drafted.
	It's just not true.
	And there's no bill.
	I can't, maybe there's some dumb bill that's been introduced in a state legislature.
	I can't imagine it's enforceable.
	I don't even believe that that's true, but it would be at the federal level.
	Oh, no.
	See, I think it's more of a classic war situation than it is the actual gender war that we want to make it into.
	Because like we just said, men are suffering immensely from going to war.
	Women are suffering immensely from not having their husbands around in the home to care for the children.
	Everyone's suffering.
	And I think it's collectively because, like, usually the people suffering the most are the lower class, because those are the ones who are getting drafted or deciding to go into the army.
	Okay, so I want to finish making my point here.
	Okay.
	So I'm trying to remember, recall exactly what.
	Oh, okay.
	You were saying, well, the wives and the mothers and the daughters, they all suffer, right?
	When men die in war.
	what would you think if i made the following argument that in rebuttal to the pain that women experience when they're essayed i said well their brothers and their fathers and their boyfriends and their husbands suffer when women and i'm i'm using that to miss to redirect and misdirect from your claim about the suffering it causes women when they're essayed
	And I say, yeah, but let's think about the men in their lives.
	You would find that objectionable, I'm sure.
	Well, they're the ones doing the essaying, usually.
	The brothers and the boyfriends?
	No, but men in general.
	So it does hurt the people in the women's lives, the men in the women's lives who are getting essayed.
	It does hurt them because it hurts their reputation.
	And also, like, they could say something to other men to try to help prevent these things.
	I don't feel like you're actually contending with my argument, so I'll give you a different example.
	When women go through pregnancy, it's really hard for the husbands.
	I mean, husbands have a part in making a child, so it should be hard for the husbands as well when it's hard.
	I don't think it should be, but yeah, I mean, if your wife or the person who you are having a baby with is suffering, then like we're talking about way at the beginning of this conversation, you should have empathy for your partner.
	So if your partner is having a hard time, you then also would be having a hard time as well.
	Not as hard.
	If I said, because of the frustrations or whatever that men experience during women's pregnancy, and I used it to try to dismiss your point about the suffering that women experience or the pain that women experience or the discomfort that women experience when it comes to pregnancy and childbirth, you would find this laughable.
	I mean, to a certain degree, because it's like physically happening to the woman, where it's like more of a mental strain for a man or like financial strain.
	But you can't genuinely tell me that you would say that the discomfort and pain that women experience during pregnancy and childbirth is anywhere near comparable to the supposed frustration or pain, mental pain that the man might feel.
	Because it could be, you know, seeing your wife giving birth and she's in physical pain, that could be distressing to a man, but you would never say that that's anywhere near approaching the woman who's actually going through the childbirth.
	You'd never say that it's anywhere approaching the level of pain or suffering she's going through.
	That's true.
	Okay.
	So I think we're going to have to agree that the suffering that men experience in war is dwarfs the look.
	Just to be clear, if you lose, if you're a woman and you lose a son or you lose a husband or whatever it is, you lose a male figure in your life in war, that's terrible.
	That's going to be an awful experience.
	You're going to be grieving.
	That's going to be awful.
	But the thing is, is that people can come back from grief.
	People come back from grief all the time.
	People, parents die, grandparents die, and people get back to their life.
	When you're dead, you're dead.
	It's final.
	It's over.
	Your life's over.
	Saying in regards to comparing women and men suffering, I would say obviously dying is the worst situation.
	However, it is final.
	However, the person who is grieving that, like I was saying, you have to raise potentially children alone now in a situation.
	Sure.
	So it's an ongoing suffering on top of the suffering we already previously talked about.
	What you were saying, like women couldn't vote, women didn't have as many rights.
	Like it's adding trauma.
	I know that's a buzzword.
	Adding trauma, what do you mean?
	Like if women if the husband dies in war.
	Yeah, that's traumatic.
	Yeah, I'm not disputing that it's going to be really bad if your significant other dies or your brother dies or whatever it is.
	But if you're trying to compare the suffering between men and women, women's, after that point, like you die, you're done.
	Women, it's ongoing suffering.
	You're forgetting one important thing, though, is that the suffering men experiences that men experience in war is not strictly related to death.
	That's true.
	There is the PTSD of it.
	There's PTSD, there's the actual like in the shit.
	You know, like if you look at historical wars, for example, and if we're allowed to say that women's historical grievances are, you know, if you bring up women often or feminists often bring up women not being able to vote.
	Okay.
	So I'm going to bring up World War I, World War II.
	These were absolutely brutal wars, trench warfare, totally catastrophic.
	What they witnessed, what they experienced, absolutely terrible.
	They came back with just either debilitating physical injuries if they didn't die or just mentally completely thrashed and destroyed.
	You know, shell shock, war fatigue, or there's a different term for it with fatigue.
	PTSD, as it's now called.
	I completely understand.
	And I think that if instead of having conversations about which gender is suffering more, we can collectively agree we're all suffering under this system.
	And so why don't we band together and say, hey, we're all collectively suffering here as a lower class people.
	And it's really the people above us in like the top 1% who are causing these wars to happen, who are profiting off of us and this collective trauma.
	Yeah, I have a response to this.
	Do you think there should be a revolution?
	I'm not exactly sure what should happen.
	Are you in terms of your political leanings, would you consider yourself like a communist or socialist?
	I would say I lean more towards socialism.
	However, I don't really have like this utopian concept personally.
	I'm not exactly sure what the right answer is moving forward.
	So, but you think the you're saying the people who don't have the means of production should band together and overthrow the bourgeoisie?
	I'm not exactly sure if an overthrowing is exactly what needs to happen.
	I don't know if it could even happen.
	But clarify, you said the what, the lower and middle class should band together.
	Yeah, I and do what?
	So I do what?
	I think that instead of having conversations where we're saying women suffer more, no, men suffer more, we should collectively say we as lower class people are all suffering together and we should definitely try to implement some change.
	I don't know if it's an entire revolution.
	I don't think that is potentially even possible with just how life is nowadays.
	However, I do think that having conversations together instead of trying to Clay trauma dump Olympics is going to be the answer.
	Like we're all collectively suffering when it comes to things like war, and war is typically something that the upper class uses towards the lower class to keep them in place and to cause suffering, like we just said.
	But I mean, you're talking about, okay, so I mean, to what end do you want the lower and middle class to band together?
	I'm assuming it would be like revolutionary.
	If we look historically at revolutions, you look at the communist revolution in, well, the USSR, Russia, well, what became the USSR.
	Did that, I mean, did they not have a military?
	Did they not send men to war?
	In fact, my understanding, if you look at the communist revolution, World War II, they lost a fuck ton of men, a fuck ton of men died in World War II who were part of the Red Army, the Soviet army.
	I don't have an ultimate answer of utopia here.
	I just think my theory is that instead of making it where we're compete against who's suffering more, we should have a collective mindset that we're all suffering under this system.
	But hold on.
	Isn't that feminism?
	Women suffer more.
	Women are disadvantaged as compared to men.
	So you're trying to disregard my arguments as to male suffering and say, well, we shouldn't play these games of oppression Olympics.
	But this is a game that feminism started, right?
	So you're going to have to completely dismiss feminism.
	And you're going to have to say, feminism's bullshit, feminism sucks, women's rights advocacy, like all that.
	You have to dismiss all that and say it's bullshit because that's exactly what feminism is.
	Comparing men to women, saying, here's how women have it worse compared to men.
	They have had it in regards to their rights and abilities worse than men until very recently.
	I disagree.
	I think men have had it worse, not just they men have it worse today and historically.
	I mean, depends on the man and the situation.
	I don't think that's generalizing that.
	I'm not sure.
	Anyone else wants to see that?
	Yeah, feminism.
	Yeah.
	Look, there were men who were homeless in the 1910s, and there were women who were like living incredible, like they were part of the upper class, and they were living great lives.
	Weren't there also women who were also on the streets?
	Well, actually, I mean, when it comes to homelessness, men are much more likely to be homeless, but both in modern day and historically.
	But she was trying to make the point: well, you have to, it depends on the person.
	And it's like, well, we can look back historically or modern day.
	We can find evidence of women who have it worse than a particular man.
	And we can look at a particular man who has it worse than a particular woman.
	Yeah.
	I don't think women are saying that we have had it worse than men.
	That's feminist.
	Feminism just means equal rights.
	You're talking about ultra-feminism.
	Not worse.
	Feminism just means equal rights for men and women.
	And then ultra-feminism is what you're describing.
	Feminism has always been a grievance movement related to women have it worse than maybe in your I don't know anyone who's saying that we have worse or that they're just saying not good.
	Who's worse?
	We want to vote.
	That was it.
	It was like feminism.
	Hey, we want to vote.
	How about that?
	And then we're like, hey, you also suffer.
	Why don't we do something about it?
	What's the solution?
	Okay, but so hold on.
	So you said feminism is an equality movement, right?
	Men and women for equal rights is the definition of that.
	Does that include gender roles?
	What do you mean by gender roles?
	I mean, there's been a big push by feminists to dismantle and destroy gender roles, especially traditional gender roles as it relates to women.
	But I want to ultra feminism.
	So there's different levels.
	We even learned that in psychology a long time ago.
	There's actually like different levels of feminism.
	And then you have people that are like extremely egregious.
	Look, it's mainstream feminism.
	Mainstream feminism is about destroying traditional gender roles for women.
	Mainstream feminism is about grievances.
	Mainstream feminism, mainstream feminism puts forward this, I think, dubious patriarchy theory.
	And it paints men as the oppressors and women as the oppressed.
	This isn't like fringe radical feminism.
	Mainstream, mainline feminism is patriarchy theory, women's grievances, and men oppressors, women oppressed.
	That's basic patriarchy theory.
	You're going to learn at like any college in a feminist studies.
	I wish that we didn't label it though, because back in the day, we decided to start labeling it that and then going, okay, mainstream feminism.
	And then what happened was it was like, ah, crap.
	You know, there goes the labels on that, just like overdoing it with narcissism and trauma.
	And now when you actually have what the real word actually means, you don't get to use it anymore because the moment I say feminism, everyone's going to have a trigger.
	I mean, it's always been bad.
	No, it's always.
	It's always been bad.
	And I'll explain.
	Well, here's.
	No, no, no.
	I think that women coming to the table and going, hey, we want to come to the table for you too.
	I don't think that that's a bad thing.
	I think that y'all should go to war.
	I have two sons.
	Yeah.
	I should go to war before I sent any of my boys.
	I think.
	But that's not a, we suffer more versus you.
	That's that.
	No, yeah.
	Men suffer so much.
	Y'all, we want it to be.
	We would just rather systematic sexism towards men.
	You're absolutely right.
	Who's doing it though?
	That doesn't matter.
	It wouldn't matter.
	So look.
	So I think that's none of us are just women.
	But it's men.
	But it's men who do it.
	I'll tell you, look, men as a group didn't create male-only selective service.
	Men don't maintain it.
	Like, I, as a man, have no more say in how selective service is run than does a woman.
	So we as women are trying to say that we feel for you and we don't want that to happen to you as men.
	So we want to seat at the table to vote against it.
	Yeah, we want to be able to vote.
	But here's where I'm going to get you guys.
	So here's where I'm going to get you guys.
	And there are a couple things I want to say.
	But really quick, before I address the draft thing, you were saying how feminism, like feminism has never been about equality, and I can prove it.
	So women got the right to vote in 1920.
	Yes.
	Right before that, just a few years before that was the most catastrophic, brutal worldwide war that has ever occurred.
	World War I, right?
	I forget the exact numbers.
	I think it's 10 million, 20 million deaths or casualties.
	Casualties would include injuries and so forth.
	Completely brutal.
	Just look, if you guys want to have a glimpse of the understanding of how brutal World War I is, go watch or, well, you could also read the book, All Quiet on the Western Front.
	I think it's on Netflix, All Quiet on the Western Front.
	Totally brutal.
	I think most people don't.
	No offense to you guys.
	Do you guys like, have you seen even a historical fictional war movie?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Like, a lot.
	Or is there ways you can, and those movies don't even capture 1% of the brutality and suffering men have experienced.
	Yeah.
	But World War I happened a few years before women's suffrage in 1920.
	Why is it the case that women were able to secure the right to vote without any corresponding responsibility?
	Men have duties.
	Women don't.
	What kind of duties are you talking about?
	Were we trying to?
	Do we want those duties?
	So a lot of women didn't want to get the right to vote because they were worried if they did get the right to vote, they would, because they were fighting for equality, they would be treated as equals to men, meaning they would be subject to forced military conscription.
	Right.
	Something that's coming up as you're talking, though, is interesting because it feels like when it was feminism, and don't get me wrong, it really was from the beginning.
	There was a delineation between feminism and ultra-feminism.
	I do remember that from 20 years ago.
	It does feel like there's this kind of counterpoint here going on that it's like a lot of us are coming to the table and go, yeah, you guys shouldn't be suffering and you shouldn't be suffering at the hands of other men.
	You shouldn't be suffering at the hands of women.
	We are coming to the table.
	It's like, yes, two things coexist.
	We're trying to make it a causality and a thing instead of it doing two separate things.
	Yes, women right to vote doing certain things.
	And at the same time, men suffering is terrible.
	And I have friends that have been going in hard on trying to get more money to the VA and more work for men and more, you know, all kinds of things because it does affect our entire community.
	It affects everyone.
	Obviously, we've said that in different ways.
	Sure, on the war thing, whatever, but not whatever, but you know what I mean.
	It affects, you guys come home, there's a lot of PTSD, the women takes it too, there's PTSD in the home, the child gets PTSD, all kinds of things.
	Sure, what's the solution?
	Well, I'll address that in just a moment.
	I just want to make it clear, though.
	Feminism has never been about equality, and I'll prove it.
	So 1914, 1918, World War I, 1920, women get the right to vote, but they also don't have any, like I said, corresponding responsibility as it relates to forced military conscription.
	They're exempt from having to register with selective service, and they were exempt from the draft, right?
	And then women fought for that.
	Mind you, it's been a century, right?
	We've had a century of feminism.
	I don't hear women or excuse me, I don't hear feminists advocating for let's equalize the draft.
	I don't hear that.
	You do.
	No, but let me just...
	You have it in Israel.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	We're trying...
	Stop.
	Stop, stop, stop.
	I'd like to finish my point.
	And so it's never been about equality.
	Just to be clear, feminism is a woman, the most charitable I'll be is a women's advocacy movement.
	I think there's a lot of misandry in the movement.
	I think, I think I can see that.
	Yeah.
	So it's man-hating.
	I think it's man-hating.
	Patriarchy theory, total conspiracy theory.
	It paints men as predators.
	It paints women as perpetual victims.
	Men are the oppressors.
	Women are the oppressed.
	Feminism's never been about equality.
	But if I'm going to be as charitable as I can be, feminism is a woman's advocacy movement.
	And there's nothing wrong with women's advocacy.
	But to try to parade that as some sort of equality movement, if you're advocating for women great, what does that have to do with equality?
	Absolutely nothing.
	And I'll continue to prove it once more.
	So as related to the draft, again, it's 2025.
	Women have had over a century to equalize this, not equalized.
	Feminism, women have plenty of political capital.
	Most elections are dictated by women, except for this most recent one.
	Women make up the majority of the voter base.
	If you guys wanted to, you could, with your political capital as women, could get this passed.
	But it's just not, one, it's just not politically tenable because women enjoy their privilege of not being subject to military conscription.
	I think it's, I certainly don't think it's a privilege that men are the exclusive, I'll just say victims of forced military conscription.
	You're talking about a couple things, though, in there, too.
	You're also adding in power.
	Sorry, conditional.
	Well, just a few more things here on this.
	There's other examples, too, where, look, outside of giving the examples, I'll just say this.
	If conceivably equality, a form of equality, would not stand to benefit a woman, but it would be equality.
	Like we would agree that there could be a form of equality that could be to the detriment of women.
	Feminism will not fight or advocate for said equality if it conceivably comes, like I said, to the detriment of women.
	And this is exactly how the feminism movement is not an equality movement.
	I think that there's 50-50 in that.
	And I agree with that.
	I think that that's why I said I was like, there's a part in there that we're also starting to talk on now, which is privilege and power.
	Because now all of a sudden, now all of a sudden, when you've been at the bottom, so to speak, or you look at yourself as the bottom, when you view yourself as the oppressed, sometimes what happens is if you don't heal from that mindset, you start to get power or you start to get that privilege.
	And suddenly you don't really want to have that taken away or you don't want the full part of it.
	So women with each other, we have our own communication.
	We have our own, like, you know, you said it, we talked about it earlier.
	Women shame other women.
	Women are still like, we're still working on, for instance, when I tell women that I'm a coach for men, they're like, oh, good, they need it.
	And immediately I'm like, no, we do too.
	And that's, it's just ridiculous because if you don't heal, regardless of who hurt you, you're just going to wind up giving that pain to someone else or continuing to take it on.
	So there's a lot to be said that it's like, yeah, we hear you.
	We know there's a lot of women who would love that right to be able to go into war and do that.
	And some countries have that.
	And that's what they wanted.
	So we're looking at like, you know, the Karens of the world too.
	We still have to battle.
	And other women have to battle that shit.
	You had something shit.
	Yeah, that's why I think now this is more of a class issue than it is a gender issue because women can fight in war and actively choose to participate because of the benefits that going into the service gets them because they're usually lower class people.
	Yeah, they can agree with you that women can volunteer to it didn't fully like equal out obviously because women haven't been able to for so long until more recently.
	But women still actively do go into the service.
	Yeah.
	Voluntarily, but even if you look at the but is it voluntarily though if you're somewhat forced into it because of your class?
	Nobody, hold on.
	Nobody's forced to join the military.
	You're not forced, but there is a pressure when you are of lower class.
	No, look, I can't.
	Yeah, because there's an incentive.
	There's incentives.
	There's an incentive, but there's also an incentive to get a job at McDonald's.
	There is.
	Yeah.
	There's more incentive, though, when it comes to the military because they prey on the lower class.
	I mean, I'm talking to recruiters now and they are telling me the same thing.
	Like, for me, being like a single mom and student, it made sense for me to enlist because, I mean, that's housing, that's school, that's health, that's dental.
	My kids are covered.
	Those are all selling points.
	Those are all selling points.
	And so if you're already at a lower class status and you're already struggling, you're already despairs, you're already those things.
	Somebody offering you pretty much a set future for the rest of your life to sign up for it, it's going to look pretty good.
	I mean, like, it does.
	That's why you have people enlisting every day waiting in.
	We have women in our family that have enlisted a lot too.
	I'm going to address really quick just the draft thing, right?
	And I think this will maybe change your mind.
	So you guys all said, well, maybe we should just get war is so bad.
	There should never be war.
	We wish fucking utopia doesn't exist.
	And there should never be crime, and nobody should ever have any cancer or injury.
	Are we talking about Norway?
	I'm sure we should all agree.
	Are we describing Norway and Switzerland?
	We can all agree that, yeah, how the world should be, but if we're looking at how the world is, right, war is going to be a reality.
	Yeah.
	Like, there's no escaping it.
	And even if as a country, you're like, well, I don't want to have an army, you do so at your own peril because if you do get invaded, you've just lost your sovereign nation.
	And so the point I would make is this, and I think I'll perhaps change your mind on the draft.
	Look, I don't think the draft is good, but I think it's one of those, there's a specific term for this, not a necessity, but a necessary evil?
	Sort of a necessary evil.
	So, which I will acknowledge men are the victims of, and it's awful, and it shouldn't happen, but it does.
	But I'll explain it like this: here's this scenario.
	Well, should I use China?
	Okay, we'll use so okay.
	Here, we live in the United States, right?
	We live in the United States, and China, we know China is going to invade our country.
	It's hypothetical.
	Definitely not.
	I know, no, I know.
	I'm just fine.
	I'll change it to Russia.
	No, I'm going to pick a I'm going to pick, let's do Kazakhstan.
	Yes, Kazakhstan becomes a superpower somehow.
	I don't know.
	And, or we just become like really shitty.
	I don't know.
	And this country, though, they're going to invade us.
	And this country is evil.
	And we know what's going to happen.
	And they invaded another country near them.
	And we know what happened to that country.
	This is what happened to that country.
	They killed all the men, and then they took all the women as war brides.
	That's happened.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, historically, yes, this has happened.
	And they essay all the women.
	Yep.
	And we know that this country, when they do invade us in, say, a year, they're planning the invasion.
	We find out.
	In a year, they're going to invade us.
	If we don't draft men to fight for the country, they're going to kill all the men anyways, and then they're going to essay all the women.
	Under these circumstances, are you as women?
	Here's the entailment.
	If you don't, let's say, and you all get to vote on if there should be a draft that happens.
	If you don't vote to draft the men to go to war, there's not going to be enough of a military force to repel the enemy.
	There's just not, you have to force the men to fight because the volunteer force isn't strong enough to repel the enemy.
	Question.
	If you don't, you're going to get essayed and all the men are going to die.
	Yeah.
	Do you vote to draft the men?
	Question.
	Sure.
	On in this scenario, or what do you believe?
	And I'm just curious.
	Do you think that's the one?
	I think that's going to answer the question before I give my position.
	No, but I meant so for this, would it be that women can also be drafted?
	Are we voting in that women get drafted as well, too?
	No, just the men.
	Really?
	Yes.
	But then why?
	But do you think that women should also be a part of that draft?
	I mean, they have it in other countries.
	Well, in my specific example, it's just the men.
	And I mean, that's how most military conscription works around the world.
	It's just the men who are subject to it.
	It sounds like we're losing either way, draft or no draft.
	So, no, in the scenario, I'll just go ahead and say in the scenario, if you do draft the men, you do win.
	Okay, that was that was my scenario where it's like, well, you know for sure if you don't draft the men, you're gonna lose.
	But if you do draft the men, it's even 50-50.
	We can change it to that.
	So, would the women in here reenact the draft if war was imminent with some countries?
	Would you vote to draft the men?
	I would say yes.
	I would say yes.
	Yeah, everybody's suffering, so I'd say, yeah.
	You have to pick the even if that takes away men's free will because you would be drafted.
	Well, you would be sending men who don't want to go and fight to go and fight.
	So, you're taking away their free will and agency.
	But all their wives and mothers and all those people would get essayed if we decided to call them anyway.
	Because we have to wait for the fight.
	Yeah, they would die anyway.
	So, I guess we would have death or deaths.
	Either way, it's death.
	I would say losing just because I wouldn't send my son.
	Death seems imminent.
	I wouldn't send my sons over there just to prevent me from or some other woman from getting SAI.
	Yeah.
	I would say no.
	Like, we're all fighting or we're all dying.
	That's all.
	Yeah, honestly, I would push and I would keep advocating for if that's the case, then I think women need to be in the draft on that one too.
	We all need to be World War II.
	We had it where women went to the workplace and started doing that.
	It's not the same, but there means that we can do something.
	If that's the 40s and we can sit there and push for, like, hey, this is eminent, which means that if it's eminent, then we're going to have a serious conversation on, well, if that's the case, then women need to be in the table on the draft, and that would be the push.
	The opposing nation isn't going to have a conversation.
	They're ready to go.
	Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
	Then it's like you can do that quickly.
	You can do an executive order where you go, hey, women are now in this draft order.
	Because you said it's a year away.
	They found out that it's a year.
	So I'm pushing forward.
	Here's what we're going to do just to get this wrapped up.
	We'll do a brief roast session.
	Whatever.
	$30 TTS, then we're going to wrap.
	So if you want, you guys have like five, ten minutes to get a roast in, then we got to get this wrapped up because it's super late already.
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	I'll let these ladies in on a little secret.
	Most men live a life of pain and tolerance.
	You enjoy your peace while we take the blows to maintain life for you.
	Call your father.
	Oh, there's this great quote.
	Is it from Winston Churchill?
	People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
	Have you ever met an Italian woman?
	Okay.
	Oh, apparently it's attributed to somebody else, I guess.
	Oh, I heard that quote, though.
	That's, yeah, it's a good quote.
	All right.
	Guys, if you want, get them in.
	$30 TTS, $30 TTS.
	We'll let it go for about five, ten minutes.
	One last, I guess, one or two last things from the questionnaire here.
	Women are oppressed in the USA.
	Shannon, you agree.
	Moon, you agree.
	Let's see.
	Anyone else?
	Gabby, you agree.
	Just really quick, how are women oppressed in the USA?
	I know we talked about privilege, but how are they oppressed?
	I would just say in it's baked into our society.
	Like women still don't seem to have the same level of seriousness when it comes to the workplace.
	Like women aren't taking us seriously.
	And yeah, just in general, socially, like women aren't taken as seriously as men.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you, Moon?
	How are women oppressed?
	You know, no offense, but I mean, I would even say like just the fact, like this podcast in general, we are having to defend basically who we are, what we believe in, and some of the stuff that we didn't even have any control over, such as like the draft and stuff.
	You know, I get war.
	I think it's horrible.
	You know, I think all of that's just disgraceful.
	But like to me, nothing compares to childbirth.
	And the day that a man can pull another human out of his body, then we'll talk.
	I mean, war is war, but none of that has any balance towards childbirth, if you ask me.
	Voluntary childbirth.
	Not all childbirth is voluntary.
	What percentage of childbirth?
	I have no idea, but not all childbirth is voluntary.
	And childbirth lasts nine months.
	Some women die.
	It's a horrible thing, and no man can do it.
	And then when y'all sit here and you say, but aren't we stronger than you?
	Then go to war.
	Why are you crying about it like that?
	Why is it this big thing?
	You just said y'all are stronger.
	You want women with low body counts.
	You want us to be at home.
	You want us to be that model woman that's beautiful and soft and submissive, but you don't want to go, like, you can't have it both ways.
	You can't have us.
	And then, no, I mean, if this just.
	I believe we should not send men to war at all and we should just send the woman to women.
	I think we all be sick.
	I want to send Gabby to war.
	She'd do it.
	She'd be lethal.
	What did you say?
	I want to send you to war.
	I actually would sing with the proper training.
	Because college sucked.
	I think when you go back to the menu, I gotta, hold on.
	I gotta address that first point you made, though.
	Childbirth is worse than the brutality of war?
	I would say because the amount that most women, most women are going to have to go through childbirth.
	I mean, sure, some volunteer to give birth.
	Most women want children.
	Men want children, but we are the only sex that has to go through nine months of usually uncomfortable living and then painful birth or surgery.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Look, I'm not going to dispute that pregnancy and childbirth is painful or discomforting or suffering or whatever, but I don't think you're going to make a compelling argument that childbirth can be nearly as bad as war.
	No, I'm saying for me personally, it's like, like she said too, I think there are things and suffering on both sides.
	And most women today, I think especially the ones sitting here, we don't want any of us to suffer.
	We don't want y'all to go to war.
	We don't like, I get your argument, but I think my question behind the whole men going to war thing was like, what's your point?
	Like, we get it.
	We see it.
	We don't like it.
	What is your point behind it?
	Like, oh, we also deserve a blankie because we suffer too.
	We knew that.
	We knew that women did battle.
	I'll explain.
	Yeah, I'll explain.
	Because we want to do something about it.
	No, I'll explain.
	So feminism has always been about a comparison.
	Women have it worse to men.
	But I just reject this categorically, both modern day and historically.
	So this idea that like the point I'm trying to make by bringing up warfare is that it's clearly ignored as a gender-based grievance, But it clearly is a gender-based grievance.
	If you look at the distribution of men who are soldiers, and not just that, but even if you do do a comparison between male soldiers and female soldiers, men are almost exclusively the frontline soldiers, exclusively the ones that are injured, exclusively the ones that are frontline combat that are getting killed, or PTSD, or all of these things.
	Women often, even when they are in the military, they're not on the front lines.
	They're not going to raid Osama bin Laden's thing.
	They're not SEAL Team Six or whatever, you know, all that stuff.
	Women are typically in administration roles.
	They're in support roles.
	Men are overwhelming.
	Like even in that scenario where women are in the military.
	So this comparison, feminism's always been about a comparison.
	And I'm saying, actually, now that you're playing the comparison game between men and women, I'm going to play it too.
	And I'm going to say that if we're looking at the totality of circumstances, and there's a bunch of, by the way, besides war, men are more likely to be homeless.
	Men are less likely to go to college.
	Men are more likely to unalive themselves.
	Men are more likely to be incarcerated.
	Men are more likely to be a victim of violent crime.
	There's plenty of things that I can tell you besides just the war argument where men are disproportionately impacted with negative life outcomes.
	It's interesting to me.
	I think part of feminism is the apex fallacy.
	You look at the top 1% or 10% of men and you attribute that lived experience.
	Oh, that's how all men must experience life.
	But the reality is, here's my argument, is that while it might be the case that there's more male CEOs and there's more men who are rich and there's more men who occupy boardrooms and there's more men who occupy positions of power, I'm not going to argue any of that.
	I'm not going to dispute any of that.
	I'm going to go ahead and agree and grant it.
	However, I think a greater proportion of women enjoy what I would call the middle, the comfortable middle.
	And then though, if we're looking at this like a pyramid, sure, let's just go ahead and put men on top.
	And then in the middle, where it's like, you're living like your life's good.
	Your life's okay.
	You're not a superstar CEO or you're not, you don't have power or whatever, although we can have conversations of the soft power that women do have.
	But at the very bottom of this pyramid, you see almost exclusively men.
	The most dangerous jobs, the dirtiest jobs, the most negative life outcomes are disproportionately men.
	So yeah, maybe it's true that you don't get the cease, or what's it called?
	The corner window office at your company.
	It's not even clear to me if like being a wage slave for some company is like this big win.
	But the worst negative life outcomes, it's almost always men.
	So it's like you were saying that feminism is like women's advocacy.
	So we're all and also like trying to help men as well, just trying to make things better for majority of people.
	And so women are coming together and we're having conversations and we're explaining these grievances and we're usually voting things in to make this change.
	Whereas it sounds like men just want to maybe just complain about the tasks they have to do in society.
	And I get your grievances, but like, what do you want us to do now that we're listening to them?
	I don't want women to demonize men.
	Don't want women to view all men as predators.
	I want green.
	I want to.
	I really think that's a conversation you should have with your fellow man as well.
	But hold on, feminism is always like, we want men to acknowledge our grievances.
	Yes.
	And you want equality on that.
	You want to also be acknowledged in your grievances, which is great.
	Yeah.
	This is good.
	But I don't like once you play, open up this game of grievance, then we have to, I think it's completely fair for men to be like, wait, hold on.
	You're saying that just by virtue of me being a man, I'm so privileged and my life must be so easy because I'm a man.
	But the reality is, is that's just, it's just not true whatsoever.
	And this idea, it's kind of this, it's almost, it is sexist to just say, well, men are privileged.
	Men just have privilege in comparison to what?
	In totality of what?
	I think it's a privilege to not have a period every month.
	I think it's a privilege that the majority of women in this country don't have their genitals mutilated upon birth.
	And I think we can both have our grievances, but at the end of the day, are you voting to make that change happen?
	Because we can't vote to change having periods, but you could potentially talk to your fellow brethren about the situation, but instead you're like complaining to us.
	And it's like, what do you want us to, we hear you and we have empathy for you.
	Yeah.
	Just like we want you to have empathy for us.
	But at the end of the day, like you have to talk to your fellow man about that situation.
	Or else do we can vote.
	This conversation is actually what helps us a lot because when we hear that you guys wait, we're like, wait a minute.
	Like it blew my mind when I'm realizing that I had been programmed to believe that men didn't have feelings and emotions.
	I had to do a lot of work to realize that it was like, oh, I need to be more mindful of what I'm telling someone, especially with a partner and in a relationship.
	Like you do have thoughts and emotions and feelings and grievances and pain and trauma.
	And like blue, like, and I watch that.
	I've seen women destroy men and emasculate and all that.
	So it's like, wait a minute, women do have some work to do.
	Now that we're at the table, there should be some solution.
	We can keep going with the he said, she said, you do this, I did that.
	But it is.
	It is more like, hey, there are grievances.
	What's the solution?
	And men asking for help.
	Personally, I don't identify as misandrist.
	I have empathy and care for men in my life.
	I have a relationship with my boyfriend and it's very close.
	And I understand his own grievances when it comes to being a man in our society.
	I do, however, have friends who are feminists who are misandrists.
	So I understand what you're saying.
	Why would you be friends with a misandrist?
	Well, she has certain opinions, but her overall, she's a kind human being.
	Well, you know, my friends.
	She just has differences of opinion.
	My friend's racist, but and like hates this group, this.
	Well, like, you probably have friends who are like extreme, extreme conservatives.
	You don't have the same exact viewpoints as them all the time.
	Are you still friends with them?
	Does she like identify as a misandrist?
	I don't think some of her takes maybe go a little too far.
	I wouldn't say that like mainstream conservatives are sexist or racist or racist, really.
	It depends on which people.
	I think most mainstream conservatives have pretty reasonable takes on gender stuff.
	And yeah.
	But like once you because like, you know, on both sides of the spectrum politically, you can go too far on either way.
	So it's like you probably have friends who have opinions that are too far, but you're still friends with them, even though you don't agree.
	Or maybe not.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm definitely friends with people who have positions that I don't agree with.
	I don't think I, I don't know if I would be particularly inclined to be buddy-buddy with somebody who was like demonstrably, like viciously racist or, you know, something like that or like hated.
	Like if somebody like hated women, blanket leaves like a misogynist, or do you not believe in that term?
	Well, I think that the term misogyny gets thrown around a whole bunch where it doesn't necessarily apply.
	But if somebody just blanket hated women, I'm against that.
	I don't think you should blank.
	Blanketly just hate women.
	I think if they like hate that because of their experiences, then I'm just like, well, that's just a really like traumatized, unfortunate event type person.
	And so they're like taking it out on that specific gender.
	And I feel like that's a similar conversation we're having where it's like, you as men feel like unheard.
	You don't feel like you have the same.
	I mean, do you feel like as a man, you don't have the same opportunities as women?
	Like you do feel oppressed?
	Is that the sense that you're getting from men nowadays?
	The oppressed, the oppressed word is a difficult one, but are you saying that in relation to opportunities?
	Yeah, affirmative action.
	Absolutely.
	Now, granted, I'm not in the like professional corporate world, so I can't speak to that.
	I'm self-employed.
	However, what I can tell you is I've had hundreds of men and I've there's there's been journalism on this topic.
	There's been investigation on this topic.
	You look at what's going on in Hollywood.
	I have a lot of friends, male friends, white male friends in the entertainment industry in Hollywood.
	And yeah, there's been massive amounts of affirmative action in the entertainment industry and in Hollywood where they're like, we only want to hire.
	And I believe, I don't know if it was the Oscars or the, they're like, look, in order for your film to qualify for diversity.
	You need to have 40% or 50% of this demographic.
	You need some transgender people.
	You need some black dwarf lesbians.
	You need whatever it is.
	And it's just, there's absolutely affirmative action that's hurting men and hurting white people and specifically hurting white men.
	I mean, if they want to band together to start creating laws and get them passed and like they have every right to do that.
	Sorry, what?
	Don't they have the rights to make laws and get things changed?
	If that is such a cross to bear, then like go ahead.
	Because that's what women had to do, right?
	No, but hold on.
	I'm literally addressing your argument.
	asked me uh are men or white people or white men losing out on specific opportunities and if and you're saying yeah if uh If corporations, either through their own internal policies or there's like social pressure or whatever it is through DEI policies or affirmative action is like, you can't hire white men, that would seem to indicate to me that, yes, white men are not being given opportunities.
	I mean, the same thing could be said for women in the past and for people of color.
	So it's like the reason that these things have changed is because there's laws that have like started to create that change because people are voting them in.
	So if it's such an issue for you guys, then like, why not do the same thing, vote it in?
	Because we can't go backwards.
	And I mean, I hate to say that.
	It's not even a matter of time.
	But if there's enough of them who are upset and they want to vote it in, then like you have every right to.
	Oh, wait.
	Well, hold on.
	But just to be clear, so if you would be fine with a company only wanting, and this is their internal company policy, only wanting to hire white men.
	Personally, I don't approve of that messaging.
	But if they're able to get it voted in, like if it's hurting such a large group of people and they all have collectively decided that they want this law to be now be put in to be more inclusive towards them, then they have every right to do that, right?
	Well, California, this was on the ballot a couple years ago, and I think it failed actually.
	But they were trying to essentially get rid of, I forget the specific terminology.
	Maybe somebody in the chat knows.
	It was on the California ballot.
	They were trying to undo the somebody in the chat maybe help.
	But basically, they're trying to make it so that you could discriminate in hiring practices.
	But the discrimination that they wanted to do was discrimination towards hiring minorities and women and discriminating in terms of being able to not hire men or white men.
	Wait.
	Did everyone get discriminated on on that one?
	What do you mean?
	Sorry, it sounded like you said discriminated minorities and white men.
	Huh?
	I got a little confused.
	It sounded like you said discriminated against.
	No, who's getting discriminated against?
	There's positive discrimination.
	So discriminating, discriminating towards, I want to hire black people.
	That would be discrimination in their favor, right?
	I thought discrimination just always meant that you are against.
	Well, it depends on the phrasing, but yeah, you would, in other words, you would be discriminating against white people or white men or men.
	And it didn't pass.
	Great.
	I believe I don't recall the outcome of it, but my understanding is it did not pass.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, I understand the overcorrection of things.
	And now we're at the table going, all right, there's an overcorrection and there's a lot of people screaming.
	How do we do it where there's more of a meritocracy while also helping out, identifying confirmation bias or what's the familiarity bias?
	How do you account for that?
	How do you, what's the, again, what's the solution?
	How do you, yeah?
	Sure.
	Hold on.
	Moon, you said women are oppressed in the USA.
	How are women oppressed?
	Oh, I think I did, but, you know, kind of just goes back to like what she said.
	I mean, childbirth, periods.
	Oh, maybe you did.
	By the way, guys, $30 TTS.
	I'm going to let them come through here in just a moment.
	And you also said women do not have equal rights to men in the USA.
	Can you explain that?
	Equal rights?
	So, or let me ask you this.
	What right does a man have that a woman doesn't?
	You're going to scoff at this, but like the right to not have a child in some states, especially if you get pregnant and you do not want to carry that child.
	Okay, so abortion rights.
	Yeah, your reproductive right.
	We don't have, you know, and I think you said something earlier.
	I can't remember what it was.
	We were talking about like promiscuity.
	And you were like, well, basically, my point is one man can get.
	But let's talk about rights.
	Let's talk about rights.
	Yeah, I mean, that this goes back to those reproductive rights.
	Like one man can get a thousand women pregnant, but a woman can only get pregnant one time a year.
	Like, so a woman being promiscuous still does not equate to the social damage of a promiscuous man.
	If you're looking at their ability to just procreate endlessly, I mean, you could knock up seven, you can knock up, I mean, as many Times as you can, you know, produce each of those individual women would have to, I assume, be promiscuous in order to be knocked up by a like one guy.
	No, to be knocked up by one guy, how would she be promiscuous?
	Well, logically, it could be the case that, like, this one guy has managed to get in a short period of time seven virgin women pregnant.
	I find this kind of unlikely, but why would they need to be virgins?
	No, I'm not saying they need, I'm saying it's possible, and this would point to although some people would make the argument that a virgin woman just getting knocked up, they might consider that promiscuity, but like given the low body count, I don't know if I would necessarily categorize it as promiscuity.
	But probably if one guy is getting like seven different women pregnant, I think that would also point, it'd point to his promiscuity, it would also point to their promiscuity.
	So, like, if a girl hadn't had a relationship in three years or a month and she meets you and gets pregnant, she's promiscuous.
	Yes, I'm agreeing that in this scenario, the seven women that this one man or the seven women, that this one man, he's getting them all pregnant, they could all be virgins.
	I think it's probably unlikely.
	Oh, yeah, I think that that is too.
	So, like, then why does the value of promiscuity for women like why is it so high?
	I mean, we can't go out and get other people pregnant with the people.
	Is there, besides the abortion thing and that thing, is there anything else in terms of rights?
	I'm gonna just stick with those rights that men have that women don't.
	Okay, and then finally, this is the final thing, then the chats, then we're out.
	Uh, Gabby, you said women are oppressed in the USA house.
	Actually, no, I changed my stance on that now that I thought about it.
	No one benefits from society these days.
	No one does.
	Everyone's a victim.
	There we go.
	The rich people are the only people benefiting from anything.
	I fuck with that.
	All right, sweet.
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	Nothing any of you has said is oppression, which is defined as prolonged, cruel, or unjust treatment or control.
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	On note to the childbirth versus war.
	As a nurse for eight years, we all have different pain thresholds.
	Some women go through childbirth like a breeze.
	Some women don't.
	We also forget the pain and want more.
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	You looked at yourself in the mirror.
	I bet you can't wait till June cause that's your only month to shine.
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	Feminism wants to erase the shit that women have to take.
	But the point Brian is making is that men have to take shit no matter what.
	Men can't opt out of the shit they have to take.
	Stop complaining.
	No one's complaining.
	No one's complaining.
	Thank you, Lilulu.
	And then we have Carl Chider's.
	You were talking about Prop 16.
	That was what was defeated.
	Also, childbirth aims compared to rounds coming down range, killing your friends and brothers.
	Yeah, I'll just pull this up really quickly just because it came into the conversation earlier.
	And all right.
	It was a 2020 California Prop 16.
	It was a failed California ballot proposition that appeared on the November 3rd, 2020 general election ballot, asking California voters to amend the Constitution of California to repeal Prop 209 from 1996.
	Proposition 209, excuse me, Proposition 209 amended the state constitution to prohibit government institutions from considering race, sex, or ethnicity, specifically in the areas of public employment, public contracting, and public education.
	Therefore, Proposition 209 banned the use of race and gender-based affirmative action in California's public sector and public university admissions.
	Scroll down.
	And then that was just right there.
	So it was pretty close.
	So yes, they wanted to, they voted in favor of it.
	No.
	So it's a little confusing because they basically said originally they were like, you can't consider race.
	So like if the person's black, this is back in 1996.
	If the person's black, you can't use that against them.
	Or if they're a woman, you can't use that against them.
	You can't discriminate on the basis of their race or sex.
	But then with Prop 16, what they're trying to do is they're trying to say, no, we do want to be able to hire people based on their race or sex.
	But this typically dealt with minority groups.
	So we said it's basically they wanted affirmative action.
	Does that make sense?
	It looked like they wanted a repeal of affirmative action.
	No, so I got you.
	Affirmative action was essentially disallowed.
	Oh.
	And they, but they wanted to employ affirmative action.
	But this meant they wanted to allow for discrimination.
	So the previous law said discrimination is illegal, but they wanted to allow discrimination.
	Yeah.
	But in a way that they view discrimination as positive.
	Sure, right.
	I got you.
	I see what you're saying.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That happens all the time, especially in California.
	You have all those props and everything.
	People get really confused on them because it's tricky language.
	Sure.
	All right.
	This is the final one.
	It looks like Mar Go Home.
	Well put 13.
	Great final check.
	Go home.
	Oh, that was it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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