Whatever Podcast - WALK OFF?! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist?! BOW Video 2.0?! She TESTED Him?!

Oct. 7, 2024 - Whatever Podcast

07:53:42

WALK OFF?! Andrew Wilson vs. RAGING Feminist?! BOW Video 2.0?! She TESTED Him?! | Dating Talk #202

Dating Talk is LIVE on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youtube.com/whatever
[Read More]

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Welcome to the whatever dating talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	Thanks for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	We're coming to you live from Santa Barbara, California every Sunday and Tuesday, typically at 5 p.m. Pacific.
	I do apologize for our delayed start.
	We had some flakes, no shows, cancellations.
	We have two people who are arriving probably in about 15 minutes or so who are going to be joining after the start of the show.
	So apologies for the delayed start.
	A few quick announcements.
	Excuse me, this podcast is viewer-supported, heavy YouTube demonetization.
	So please consider donating through Streamlabs instead of super chatting as YouTube takes a brutal 30% cut.
	So if you super chat 100, YouTube takes 30.
	If you donate 100, Streamlabs only takes 30.
	Streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	Link is in the description.
	We do prioritize messages that are made via Streamlabs.
	Now, if you want to interact nearly instantly with us and weigh in on the conversation, consider sending a TTS text-to-speech message.
	$200 and up triggers TTS.
	TTS is via Streamlabs only.
	If your chat or TTS is too toxic, we reserve the right to skip it.
	Please see the description for all other triggers and full details.
	We have channel memberships to become a member.
	You can hit the join button.
	Tier one is just $5 a month.
	Luis, Lewis.
	Thank you for the gifted 10 memberships.
	We're also live on Twitch right now.
	Guys, pull up another tab.
	Go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub.
	That's twitch.tv slash whatever.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to your Twitch.
	It's a quick for easy way to support the show every single month.
	It's bugged, boys.
	I think it's been a minute since the Prime last came in.
	So it's probably like got bugged again since then.
	So if somebody could help test it out, it's bugged, boys.
	We got merch, shop.whatever.com.
	I'm wearing our whatever hoodie.
	If you like it, get yourself one.
	Follow us on Instagram at whatever.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, follow me on Instagram at BD underscore Atlas.
	I never post on there.
	I'm not going to clog up your feed with a bunch of food photos.
	Check out my nonprofit movement, Big Labia Matter, BLM for short.
	It's really the pressing issue of our time.
	10,000 labia plasties, plasties, I don't know, a year in the USA, tragedy.
	If you can't catch the full shows, we have clips channels.
	Link for those are in the description.
	We have a private Patreon members only Discord.
	That's discord.gg slash whatever.
	Discord.gg slash whatever.
	We post behind the scenes.
	We post hate mail.
	We post all kinds of cool alkylades.
	It's a great community.
	So be sure to check it out.
	That's discord.gg slash whatever.
	Let's see.
	Oh, disclaimer.
	The views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever channel.
	So with that said, and without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
	So please tell us your name, age, location, and occupation.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, my name is Arlena, and I'm 20.
	I'm from San Francisco, but now I live in Orange County, and I do social media.
	And I go to Cal State Fullerton for business marketing.
	You're doing your undergrad?
	All right.
	And your major is business marketing.
	Business marketing.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Rachel.
	I'm from Vancouver.
	I'm 39 years old and I'm a server.
	Vancouver?
	Vancouver.
	I'm from Montreal, but I live in Vancouver.
	Oh, like Montreal?
	Montreal.
	That's in Quebec.
	Yeah, Quebec.
	It's like East.
	So you're like a Quebecois?
	I'm a Quebecois.
	When you're a girl, Quebecois, but if your guy can be a bad person.
	Ah Cebien.
	Just unpe, mes patre bien.
	Mais nants palbien.
	Ah, merci.
	Le pépiz?
	Et bien don petête petêtre.
	Petête, maybe?
	Yes, maybe.
	You're good.
	Bon va parles empe de français.
	Person vaucon pran, mai.
	Et bien.
	Mons.
	Te biença.
	Etoi.
	And you.
	Hi there.
	I'm Bianca.
	I'm 22.
	I'm from King City.
	And I am a care provider for kids on the spectrum.
	All right.
	School?
	Are you in school at all?
	Not right now.
	Not right now.
	And did you say your occupation?
	Server.
	Server.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	Bartender?
	Or used to be?
	No, I did kind of everything in the restaurant industry, but I'm a server.
	All right.
	And then any schooling?
	College or?
	Yeah, performing art.
	I make money serving, but I'm an actress and musician and singer.
	Yeah.
	Did you go to school though, like university?
	I did performing arts, I did nutrition school, and I did photography school.
	Do you have, I don't know if it's the equivalent in Canada, bachelor's.
	They were all sort of, no, they were all like sort of private schools.
	Beating cheeks, donate to the language.
	I am testing the customization you did for me.
	If it didn't work at what you said, I am going to be upset.
	Also, ladies, feminists especially, quit college if you are going.
	Learn to be a Christian wife.
	Gotcha, bitch.
	Gotcha, Beatin Cheeks.
	You know, I had the images, but I actually had to get rid of all of them.
	You can hide that just while he's gone.
	Thank you, Beatin Cheeks, though, for the TTS.
	It's been a while, man.
	Good to see you in the chat.
	Thank you so much for your TTS.
	So you get the little, that's a certain website that's your sound until we can come up with some sort of other sound.
	I had to get rid of the GIFs or whatever, but it's just images now.
	You were saying?
	Oh, yeah, schooling.
	So they were all sort of like private schools and like one-year program where you except the photography school was college.
	So there's a thing in Quebec, it's kind of different.
	You have like kind of, it's kind of a pre-university like years, and sometimes you can do something specific or you can do like courses that are pre-university for whatever program you want.
	But the photography school was itself a program.
	Okay.
	Everything else was just like a one-year intensive thing.
	What about you?
	So, hi, everybody, and hi, live streamers.
	My name is LB.
	I am 22 years old.
	I am currently an optician slash optometrist as my occupation.
	And I go to school at UCI for biology.
	Wait, optometrist?
	Yeah, optometrist assistant.
	Oh, assistant?
	Yes.
	Because isn't an optometrist a medical doctor?
	I don't know if they're an MD, but they're an OD, correct?
	Yeah, they are an OT.
	So are you an OD?
	I am trying to get into school for like to become an OD, but I'm currently just a college undergrad.
	So I'm not an OD right now.
	I just work with an optometrist.
	I'm not an optometrist.
	Okay, I see.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Maybe you had misspoke, but you said you were optician/slash optometrist assistant.
	Oh, okay.
	Did you say the assistant part?
	Yes.
	You did?
	Yes.
	Chad.
	Like at the first, like you clarified that you were an assistant, but initially I don't think you left off the assistant.
	I am an optometrist assistant.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate the clarification there.
	And you're studying what again in university?
	Bio.
	Bio.
	Got it.
	What about you?
	Hi, I'm Emma.
	I'm 22 years old and I'm currently a student studying communications.
	All right, welcome back.
	Thank you for being able to kind of fill in here last minute since we had a couple cancellations.
	M-Dog?
	I'm Morgan.
	I'm 18.
	I go to Santa Barbara City College majoring in political science.
	And she's also a star athlete.
	Yes.
	Soccer player.
	Okay, never mind.
	Anissa?
	I'm Anissa.
	I'm 19.
	I got a UCSP and I'm studying biology.
	And you also are sorry, that was cringe.
	All right.
	My name's Brian Atlas.
	I'm 35 from Santa Barbara.
	Washed up over the hill, has been YouTuber, content creator.
	And yeah.
	And stripper, male striper.
	Andrew, what about you?
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I'm the host of The Crucible.
	It's an entertainment channel on YouTube.
	I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and I enjoy doing conversations and debates.
	All right, welcome, everybody.
	Welcome, Andrew.
	So we're going to go around the table once more.
	What is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situation ship, friends with benefits, relationship, married, polycule, sex, cult, harem, whatever it may be?
	2024.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	What's the longest relationship you've ever been in?
	Go ahead.
	So I'm single, and I've been single for a couple months now, and my longest relationship would be four years.
	So like three months, you think?
	You've been single, I mean?
	The whole summer.
	So that's longest relationship four years?
	Right.
	Who broke up with who?
	It was more like mutual because of long distance.
	Was that the one that ended three months ago?
	No, that was in high school when I was in San Francisco.
	But I moved to Orange County.
	The one that ended three months ago, how long was that relationship?
	Only six months.
	Who broke up with who?
	He broke up with me.
	Why?
	Because I was.
	He said that I was very like clingy.
	Clingy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Are you clingy?
	Was he wrong?
	Maybe.
	Were there specific things that he told you he didn't like?
	I guess it was more of like it kind of like ended it really fast.
	I feel like because he didn't take any accountability or anything like that, but for what?
	For like his actions and stuff like that.
	So yeah, what did he do?
	So he would constantly like get mad at me and yell at me in like public settings and stuff like that.
	And he would blame me for it.
	And with me as a...
	So what was an example of a time he blamed you?
	Like what was what was he like what was his justification for the public yelling?
	Let's see if I ever can remember.
	I feel like every little thing I have I do, he would just like get really mad because he just had anger issues and my love language is like quality time, so I love like spending quality time with him, but he saw that as really annoying.
	So that's why he viewed it as clingy.
	So you felt also you were walking on eggshells a bit because he was quick to anger.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If there's one thing, aside from being clingy, is there anything else you did wrong in the relationship that you can point to?
	That was the only thing.
	Okay, the cleanness.
	All right.
	All right.
	So he would like, like people around would hear him yelling at you or like how crazy was the yelling?
	It was pretty bad, I would say.
	In a public setting, we were at Disneyland and he would yell at me and other things that I can't say.
	Like, I can't see it.
	Like, hit you?
	Yeah.
	In public?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, even if it was in private, that would not be a good thing.
	I'm just clarification there.
	But yikes, okay.
	At Disneyland, did like Goofy come up and like fuck him up or some shit or what?
	No, but people were staring and I think they wanted to like help me, but it was like at midnight, so everybody was tired and just going home at that point.
	Wait, so just to be clear, it was still Disneyland, there's still some people around, but it was a lot of people.
	A lot of people.
	A lot of people.
	And he was smacking you around and nobody came to help or anything.
	People were looking for sure, but no one helped.
	Damn, okay.
	Did you smack him back at least?
	No.
	No smack back?
	I don't hit.
	No.
	Yeah, okay.
	Never, never.
	Well, disavow.
	Disavow that behavior.
	Damn, sorry to hear that.
	That's.
	Would he yell at you in English or was it like a different language?
	Yeah, English.
	English?
	Was it Waikai?
	Yeah.
	It's Waikai.
	What's that thing, the Oxford study?
	What's everybody fucking talking about?
	Yeah, Waikai.
	I'm a victim of Oxford study.
	Oh, boy.
	Okay.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, how do you know that?
	Do you know about that?
	Yeah.
	Wait, what is that?
	What is that?
	I don't even know.
	I just see the TikToks.
	An Oxford study is like, is it an actual study?
	I think it is.
	It is.
	It's an actual study, and they study in Oxford University, I believe.
	I don't know.
	It's just about how Asian girls and white dudes tend to date each other.
	Can you ask Grok, Austin?
	Can you pull up Grok and see just what is the Oxford study?
	Okay, damn.
	Good times.
	By the way, I heard before the show you two were talking in a different language.
	Was it Philip?
	Was it Tagalog?
	It was the Galois.
	Yes.
	Okay, your guys are Filipina?
	Half.
	Half.
	Oh, half.
	Okay, all right.
	Yeah, let's see what Grok has to say here.
	Make it a little bigger here.
	What is...
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Let's see what that is.
	All right, what's Grok gonna tell us?
	Hopefully it doesn't.
	There's an rather make it bigger.
	In the context of discussions about interracial relationships, specifically between Asian women and white men, users have pointed out that while there might be real research the way it's invoked online, okay, scroll down.
	Wait, COVID?
	What?
	Scroll down?
	Well, that's not helpful.
	Okay, all right.
	Grok.
	All right.
	Good times.
	So you're single now.
	In any case, you've been single for three months.
	Any rebounds or anything in the three-month period?
	Your friend just gave you away, by the way.
	Girl.
	What do you know?
	What do you know?
	No, it's her thing.
	Do I have permission?
	You have permission.
	I give you permission.
	She's got permission.
	I give you permission.
	She's just having fun right now.
	That's all I'll say.
	She's having fun.
	I just have to tell her and remind her.
	What kind of fun?
	I swear.
	So when I mean like fun, she's just talking.
	She's like in talking stages with guys.
	But I just had to tell her, hey, you gotta be careful, right?
	I tell her countless many times because I am that one friend that always tells her to be careful.
	But that's how much I care about her.
	There are guys I feel that kind of take advantage over her if she's not really being careful.
	Especially if they are implying that they want more out of her than she should be giving.
	They want more out of her than she should be giving.
	For clarification, when I mean like want more out of it, I think they just want head.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Brian, I've been told that you've been Grok blocked.
	What's that mean?
	Well, I guess if you don't know what that means, then you've been Grok blocked.
	I've been Grok blocked.
	Okay.
	Grock blocked.
	Yeah.
	So.
	Wait, can you repeat that one more time?
	Like, let's say we're at a party, right?
	Hi, Ben.
	And like, situation-wise, and some guy is chatting her up.
	And it's pretty obvious that depending on his, like, like, body language and how he's trying to get close to her, asking her, like, hey, like, you want to go get raising canes or something after this?
	Or, like, let's go out after, like, what do you, what are you planning on doing after this party?
	She'd be like, yeah, I'm down.
	I'm good.
	I'm down.
	I'd have to tell her, like, dude, do not go one-on-one with the dude because there is a high chance of where that's going to lead to.
	Right?
	Especially.
	Where's that?
	Where does that lead to?
	It could be anywhere, dude.
	Sing the D?
	Like.
	Isn't that what you said?
	Yeah, like getting head or some, like, like, receiving head from her or from, like, or, like, doing more than that.
	For instance.
	Like, like, that's, like, the, like, that's, like.
	And so that's what you're trying to prevent.
	Yeah, basically.
	You want her to just go full home run.
	Like, you don't want.
	No, I'm just telling her to be careful.
	Like, sometimes.
	Like, her eyes?
	No, like, so.
	My eyes?
	Or her hair?
	What do you mean?
	No, sometimes.
	Because of the head.
	No.
	Like, because that shit's hard to, like, you know, if it gets in your hair.
	Like, I'm just saying is that basically, if she's one-on-one with the dude, anything could happen.
	And I just have to tell her to be careful.
	Or I try to tell her, like, I don't know if this is a good idea.
	If you are really moving forward to hang out with this guy, like at least have some more of a friends around.
	So then that way, like he can't either take advantage of you.
	You barely know this dude, right?
	You've just met him at a party and you're already like full send, ready to just hang out with him afterwards, just one-on-one.
	So you've been advising her in a friend capacity not to S the D too soon.
	Yes.
	Is that my understanding?
	Yes, slop the D, give head, have sex, whatever it is.
	Like, just be careful.
	That's what I pretty much advise her to do.
	When is an appropriate time to do that?
	Like, how, like, not the first night.
	Like, it should be like maybe the second date or are you are you referring to like going like second base, third base with like someone?
	Like the you know, the Sing the D.
	It's like oral sex, right?
	Like like head.
	Oral copulation.
	Oral copulation, I mean.
	I would say fallatio.
	So I think a good time to do that would probably getting to know the person even more.
	Not even like after the third date.
	I think I would say I'm a little bit more traditional.
	Like I have to, or like this is what I would also like want to help her out on doing because I feel like she tends to rush into things a lot.
	And so I would say like a good time to probably do something like second base or third base would be once you like already committed, you know.
	I'm not, unless like you want to go for casual, like that's like with not within my realm, basically.
	Like pretty much you do whatever you want, but if you are trying to be serious with someone and you are committing to your, like committing to them, I'd say like sex should be like after commit like committing to a relationship.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I guess just to move things along, kind of go back really quick.
	You've been single for three months.
	Are there any guys in the picture?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Currently, like you're seeing.
	So well, hanging out with.
	Yes.
	One.
	Just one.
	Just one.
	Are there other guys that you're talking to?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	When's the last time you saw him?
	A couple days ago.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I am single, been single for like a year and a few months, I think.
	And my longest relationship would be, I'm not sure, probably like around two years or two years?
	Two years?
	Yeah, something like that.
	Ever married?
	No.
	Any kids?
	No.
	So longest relationship, two years.
	Is that the one that ended a year ago?
	No.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who in the two-year relationship?
	I broke up with them.
	And then the relationship a year ago, who broke up with who?
	I broke up with them.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Why?
	The last one?
	Why?
	How about the last one and the longest one?
	Last one, I was just, I feel like he was a little emotionally unregulated.
	Like he would just get mad at things, like he would just create problems basically out of nothing, and I just never knew why.
	And I mean, he was, I think, he was like insecurity and couldn't trust also because of ASX.
	So, I get that, but it was just kind of like blowing out in my face a lot.
	And I was just getting into conflicts a lot for what I felt was no reason.
	And I was just like, can't be in cultficks this many times, and or like all the time, basically.
	And then I was like, I can't.
	Yeah, it's just too intense all the time.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	How long have you been single for?
	A long time.
	Forever?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So never had a boyfriend?
	No.
	All right.
	Just like silly ones, but like silly ones.
	What do you mean?
	Can you move your mic this way?
	Yeah.
	This way.
	Right here.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They weren't like, they didn't last that long.
	So I don't.
	What's the longest period anything's lasted?
	Like a month or two months.
	Two months.
	So two months is the longest you've been talking to a guy.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Two months.
	Never boyfriend, girlfriend title.
	No.
	Well.
	Your online boyfriend doesn't count.
	No, no.
	I guess he did ask me out, but I didn't like take it seriously.
	Like, I didn't really like him.
	So I don't know.
	I just felt bad.
	So I kind of just was like, we parted ways, you know.
	Wait.
	So when you say he asked you out, he asked you to be his girlfriend?
	Yes, but I said yes.
	Oh, you said yes?
	I said yes.
	But you didn't like him?
	Like, I did, but I like I didn't.
	Like, I did.
	Watch!
	Okay, so you like him?
	I felt bad because, yeah, I don't know.
	I guess he was nice and all, but like he had like a micro pitch.
	Physically, like, I didn't like him.
	He was just nice.
	Oh, yeah.
	He was nice.
	He wasn't mean enough to you.
	Like, if he was mean to you, then you would have dated him.
	Like all the other girls here.
	No.
	What?
	Sorry.
	Did I say that out loud?
	My bad.
	Yeah.
	But.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, but have you had like friends with benefits?
	No, I did have like a situationship like two years ago, but Millionaire Bachelor donated $200.
	Andrew Wilson, aka third baby daddies.
	Are you running from Millionaire Bachelor?
	Who's that?
	I am your daddy now.
	Hi, Rachel.
	There's a troll following me around the internet.
	Okay.
	So no friends with benefits.
	Have you had a hookup?
	I'm not saying anything.
	Well, I mean, it's a dating podcast.
	I'm good.
	I'm good.
	I mean, so are you a virgin then?
	I'm not saying anything.
	Is that a.
	I mean, you're on a dating podcast.
	Can we talk about dating?
	Okay, I'm not saying anything.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So you're just going to refuse to answer any questions that no, I'll answer questions, but I'm just not going to respond to the ones that I don't want to say.
	But without having an understanding of the scope of your relationship history, it's difficult for me to.
	I told you I was in a situationship two years ago.
	Okay, but like, did you guys hold hands?
	Yes.
	Huh?
	Yes.
	Right, but like, is that the extent of Your relationship experience is hand-holding because I'm gonna tailor questions.
	Hold on.
	I'm gonna tailor questions to you based on my sense of your relationship experience.
	So, I mean, if you're just refusing to answer a fairly basic question, I mean, how do I have a conversation with you?
	Like, we're all, you're 22, right?
	I know.
	Like, we're all adults.
	Sex is a normal thing people have, not a big deal.
	Nobody's judging you.
	If you've had sex, if you're a virgin, nobody's judging you either.
	So, given my further explanation, do you want to perhaps contribute to the conversation and answer the question?
	No.
	okay what are you willing to answer them uh um it seems anything but that yeah
	Yeah, I mean, am I off base here for having an expectation that the panelists engage in good faith conversation and answer the questions?
	I don't think I'm not asking you for like specific details about specific sexual acts, but I mean, I don't think we're in the 1800s here disclosing whether you've had sex before or not.
	Can I just fairly answer?
	That's it.
	That's pretty much it.
	That's fine.
	You don't have to answer it, but I'm just trying to explain to you my kind of all right.
	Okay, well, I'll see how this goes.
	But, all right, what about you?
	I'm single.
	By the way, Chad, it means she's not a virgin if she refuses to answer the question.
	All right, you're single?
	Yeah.
	All right, how long have you been single for?
	For three months.
	All right, three months.
	Longest relationship?
	Two and a half years.
	Okay.
	And the two and a half year relationship, is that the one that ended three months ago?
	No.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who in the two and a half year relationship?
	My ex-partner did.
	Okay.
	And then the one that ended three months ago, who broke up with who?
	He did.
	And then I was like, okay.
	All right.
	So you've been single for three months?
	Any guys in the picture currently?
	Any rebounds?
	Nope.
	No rebounds?
	Nope.
	Rebounds?
	Not ready to mingle.
	Nope.
	Throw her under the bus.
	Not ready to mingle.
	And she knows.
	That's true.
	She doesn't like anyone.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Are you on dating apps or ever been on a dating app?
	I have.
	I have.
	I had Hinge for like two weeks and I hated it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Single.
	I've been single for believe two years.
	My longest relationship was about two years.
	All right.
	Two years.
	Okay.
	And the two-year one, who broke up with who?
	Technically him.
	Got it.
	Morgan.
	Single.
	Alright.
	How long have you been single?
	Six months.
	Longest relationship?
	Two and a half years.
	Alright, Anissa?
	I have a boyfriend.
	We've been together for four months.
	And then my longest relationship before that was a year.
	Alright, cool.
	Andrew, what about you?
	I'm happily married.
	I have been for a long, long time, well over a decade.
	Okay, cool.
	All right, thank you.
	Appreciate that.
	So while we do, I'm wondering, let's save the BAO video for a little bit later, Austin.
	But we have BAO version 2.0.
	I'm going to just jump right into the pre-show notes here that we have.
	So let's see.
	We have.
	Where do we begin?
	Why don't...
	Excuse me.
	why don't um we'll start with irene Irene, right?
	Arlena.
	Oh, no.
	Okay, hold on.
	She's, okay, I'm sorry.
	I forgot my notes.
	Arlene.
	There's an Irene that's supposedly coming.
	You said your friends and I have crazy stories.
	Perhaps I'll give you one and then you can give me another some point later.
	But you said you went on a date with an influencer that was love-bombing you and said he wanted your babies and to marry you.
	He asked you to be his girlfriend on text.
	Can you give us a bit of a kind of elaboration a little bit on this story?
	Okay, so he is more of an actor, I would say.
	I don't know if I can say which Netflix series it is.
	I don't know if I can say that.
	Yeah, I want to know.
	You want to know?
	Okay, it's pretty popular, so you can guess.
	Squidgey.
	There's a ton of them.
	Not Squidchief.
	Jeffrey Dahmer.
	They all have Koreans in there.
	Not Jeffrey Dahmer.
	She's probably Oxford Study.
	Oh, yeah.
	So think of Oxford Study Netflix series.
	And Castlevania.
	Nope.
	Hmm.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	You want to tell us?
	Outer Banks.
	I have no idea who any actor from that show.
	Yeah, no clue.
	What Netflix series is that from?
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	I never watched it before, but he said he was from Outer Banks.
	Like an extra who got paid like 200 bucks for you.
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea.
	But you went on, and he's an influencer too, so he's not just an actor.
	He does YouTube or some shit.
	Like.
	TikTok dances.
	Like, he's like a model as well.
	He's just in that industry.
	I have no idea.
	Okay.
	And so he asked you to be his girlfriend over text.
	Yeah.
	But so did you guys go on a date?
	We only went on one date.
	I only saw him once.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	And then after the date, is this when he started the love bombing and told you he wanted babies and to marry you?
	On the first date.
	He said this.
	He said all of this, yeah.
	Okay.
	And in your notes, you also say you had a gut feeling about something, so you went through his following list and you did what?
	So I went through his following list and I DM'd 20 girls from his following list to test his loyalty and I came to find out that he failed.
	Well hold on now.
	We need to clarify a couple things.
	So you went on just one date with him.
	One date.
	Just one.
	And then it was after the date that you did the loyalty test?
	I did a loyalty test because.
	After the date, correct?
	After the date.
	Okay.
	And how long had you guys been actually talking, though?
	Like, how did you guys meet?
	He DM'd me on Instagram because he saw one of my reels.
	He slid into your DMs.
	I see.
	Okay.
	And so, let's see.
	And then how soon after the first date did you do this loyalty test?
	I believe within two weeks, a week and a half.
	Okay.
	And so he asked, he was love-bombing you.
	He asked you to be his girlfriend.
	Did you say yes?
	Yes, I did.
	What was the nature of this loyalty test?
	I gotta ask.
	I just had a gut feeling that he was definitely talking to other girls because during the first date, he was on his phone most of the date.
	And I thought it was because of work because he's like an actor or model.
	So I thought he was on his phone for work purposes.
	But I was wrong.
	He was texting other girls on the first date while being with me.
	And so you DM'd 20 girls?
	Like, so were these girls you knew?
	Oh, no, it was his following list.
	His following list.
	So they were following him.
	What was the message you met that you DM'd him?
	I was like, hey, girl, can you please test my boyfriend?
	I just have a gut feeling that he's talking to other girls and I would really appreciate it.
	And they and some of them actually answered and did the loyalty test.
	And I. What was the nature of this test?
	It was if it was like a pass or fail.
	And I knew he was going to fail.
	So I just need to.
	Yeah, but what was it, though?
	Like, were they sending him nudes?
	Were they telling him, like, what were they actually doing?
	Tilt your mic down a bit, please.
	Oh. Just tilt. Tilt.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So he, they were just flirting with him in the DMs.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	So they didn't make an arrangement to meet up?
	Nothing like that?
	No.
	It was all just flirting.
	All just flirting.
	Can you tilt your mic down?
	And are we talking about flirting like, hey, I think you're really cute?
	That kind of thing?
	Or are we talking, like, what kind of flirting are we talking about here?
	Like, I really want to see you.
	And these girls are from out of state.
	So he said that he would fly them out to LA to see them and meet up with them.
	Hmm. Hmm.
	Because if I haven't done this, I would have never known.
	And I would still continue being with him.
	So if I felt like I needed to do that, because no one was going to tell me, so I had to find out myself.
	You said that he called you and you knew that he had DM'd those girls, and then he broke up with you because he said, after what you have done and who you messaged, I can't be with you.
	I have health issues and family problems.
	So yeah, but I'm talking to someone, so I want some space.
	Hmm.
	Interesting.
	Now, I want to go around the panel on this because I've heard about these things, these loyalty tests.
	Although typically you don't hear them being done within two weeks of meeting somebody, granted, it's complicated because he did ask you to be the girlfriend.
	So I suppose there's some expectation.
	Well, did he say he was going to be monogamous?
	Yes.
	Or perhaps that's implied.
	I don't know.
	I would say that's implied.
	Like, I don't see who would not understand this as an extra.
	It's fair to say, otherwise, you know, why would you ask that?
	Even if there wasn't an overt conversation about exclusivity or monogamy, if there's a boyfriend-girlfriend conversation to clarify, though, he did in fact say, I want you to be my girlfriend, and you said yes.
	Yes, okay.
	Had you guys hooked up?
	No, did they hook up?
	No, no, okay.
	All right, so um it is complicated, though, insofar as you went on one date.
	He moved things along very quickly, um, but I suppose there was an expectation of loyalty.
	Um, do you think he was trying to make you his girlfriend in furtherance of trying to sleep with you as fast as possible?
	He said that he wanted a stay-at-home mom.
	That doesn't really answer my question, though.
	So, do you think he was trying to move things on really quick?
	Hey, first date, I want you to be my girlfriend so that he could hook up with you quicker.
	No, I don't believe so.
	I think he, the reason why he did that was because he's like, he just wants to settle down.
	So he's kind of like moving things kind of quickly.
	Okay.
	Opening this up to the panel: is it acceptable to test your partner?
	Well, start with you.
	I'm assuming the answer is yes, but I'd like to hear some reasoning.
	I personally did that because I felt like I had no other choice, and there was no other way for me to find out.
	And I feel like with my gut feelings, I would always like, my gut feelings is always right.
	So I just went through with it.
	But I know some people probably think that's wrong.
	Have you done a loyalty test before?
	No, it was just with him.
	Just with him?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Your thoughts?
	Is testing your partner acceptable?
	No, I mean, like, logically speaking, if I want to be with that person, it's because I trust that person.
	So if I already have that feeling, I don't see that being coherent.
	You know what I mean?
	Wanting to be with someone.
	And that whole story, it's a little crazy.
	Like, one day is nothing, and then he wants to be a stay-at-home mom, and it takes you one day online to figure this out.
	I mean, this guy doesn't want to settle.
	Like, I mean, let's be real.
	This guy doesn't want to settle down, in my opinion.
	This guy is just playing.
	Sorry. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.
	But that's, yeah, I don't see.
	But do you think justified to do that?
	I don't think it's ever justified.
	No, I think it's weird.
	Like, I would never do that.
	Do what?
	The loyalty test.
	Like, just testing people.
	Yeah.
	Or testing for, like, no, I don't think there's justification for it.
	Kind of ever.
	Can I add on to that?
	Well, let's get all the panel's answers, but yeah, you can add on.
	I agree with her.
	Either, like, he likes you, like, you don't have to worry about it or he doesn't.
	Like, either he does or doesn't.
	Like, he likes you.
	And, like, you don't need to, like, you know, he'll show it to you that he likes you and he's interested.
	And I don't think there's a reason for him to, like, you know, there's no reason for you to be, like, testing if he really likes you, like, his loyalty towards you.
	That makes sense.
	Okay.
	It's either yes or no.
	Like, I see the reasoning why you did that because there were signs that were based on your gut intuition that his mind was elsewhere.
	So I understand why you would do that, but at the same time, usually when people pull loyalty tests when it's really not necessary, it really shows deep down you did not trust that person and your partner could definitely be offended by that.
	Doing loyalty tests without actual proper communication of like expressing your, let's say, your insecurities or anxieties about certain things or not getting clarification on like acts and stuff like that already leads to like a downhill towards a relationship.
	So it's not really as justifiable as a lot of people would think to do.
	Have you ever done a test like this?
	No.
	Have you done a test like this?
	Done a test like this?
	Test like this?
	You mentioned that there were signs that led her to believe that he was potentially not serious or whatever.
	And these signs were that he was like on his phone or whatever.
	You guys are never on your phone at all when you're around a guy?
	Ever?
	Never.
	So your phone is always, you don't check it once when you're with your boyfriend.
	You're never on your phone in front of your boyfriend.
	You've never checked your phone.
	Oh, definitely.
	Yes.
	Whoa, that's cheating.
	Or now I have suspicion of you cheating.
	Now you've just given me justification because you looked at your phone for five minutes while we were hanging out.
	I now have justification to test you.
	Is that fair?
	No, it really depends on.
	Oh, hold on.
	Depends on what?
	Depends on the situation.
	So, see, I wasn't really there.
	So she could fully explain to you what the interaction probably was.
	She could fully explain to us what he was doing besides just being on his phone.
	So I would ask him questions, you know, like first date questions, like, oh, like, where do you work?
	What do you do?
	What do you like?
	Your hobbies.
	And with me asking him those questions, he would just be on his phone.
	He's like, wait, what?
	Can you repeat that again?
	Because he's like texting other girls on our first date.
	And I didn't know he was texting other girls.
	I realized that when I tested him.
	And I did ask him, are you like talking to other girls?
	And he said no.
	So he did lie to me.
	Were you talking to other guys?
	Nope.
	Okay, interesting.
	I believe that, I believe you, that he was probably texting other girls.
	He was probably not serious about what he said.
	He was probably playing you, whatever.
	But I do wonder, because you mentioned the word signs, right?
	If there's signs that would be pretext or justification to do a loyalty test or some sort of test.
	I can see why she would do it, but I'm not saying it's entirely right to do so.
	We're going to ask Grok, not yet, but in just a moment, what AI thinks about doing, like testing your partner.
	But going back to the signs thing really quick, do you think it would be justification, for example, if you were like dating a girl and she posted a bikini photo, that that would be enough justification for you to do a loyalty test on her?
	Or if she went out to parties and dressed revealing, would that be?
	No.
	That's not enough justification?
	I mean, again, when it comes to relationships, it's really a matter of trust, I believe.
	Let's say, because I do see this from time to time where my friends would tell me, like, hey, I don't know if my man's cheating on me.
	And I was like, okay, like, just tell me what is.
	Or, like, it's obvious he's clearly putting interest in something else, which happens to be his phone.
	When you're in a restaurant sitting down, right, you want to give your full attention to like the person you're with.
	You want to be in the moment, be with your partner.
	They're looking, you know, smiling.
	You would be like, ask, oh, like, what's up?
	You know, like, what's got you smiling?
	And if they're not willing to, like, obviously, like, either disclose, like, oh, I'm just talking to my friend.
	I'm like, okay, cool.
	But you're like, oh, no, it's nothing.
	It's nothing.
	Then I'm like, okay, okay, like, why is it not something that's like open to share?
	You know, it could be like a caffeine or anything, or it could be something funny.
	But if it's like something like you're vehemently against of like disclosing, then I'm like, okay, like it has to be like more than one instance, I believe.
	For sure.
	Andrew, any thoughts on these sorts of tests in relationships?
	Yeah, I did want to dive into it a little bit with you.
	Let us assume for a minute that you had a crystal ball that could tell the future.
	And you knew that if you DM'd all of those women, they would respond and he would then fly them out and do all of this.
	But had you done nothing, he would have stayed with you for the rest of your life and never gone with another woman.
	Just knowing that if the opportunity presented itself, at least in the beginning of the relationship, would you still have not gone with the guy?
	Is this a question open to everybody on the panel?
	no i'm asking her so with the crystal ball i i already knew that he was doing that correct Correct.
	So, well, you knew that if you had DM'd all these women, that he would fly them out and this kind of thing.
	But you also knew that if you never did DM any of those women, that he would be with you for the rest of your life and there would be no problems because those opportunities did not present themselves.
	Would you still stay with him and never have DM'd those women?
	Or is it just the knowledge that he would do it enough?
	I felt like I guess I never trusted him, so I wouldn't, I still wouldn't be with him regardless.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I still wouldn't be with him.
	All right.
	Thanks.
	I appreciate it.
	Do you have more, Andrew?
	I mean, not really.
	I'm just trying to figure out when we're talking about shit testing.
	Like, I understand the concept of it.
	You're trying to set the other person up to see what they'll do, this type of thing.
	But it also adds opportunities that they would not normally have and interest from women or other people they would not normally have.
	And so I just kind of wonder: is it just the idea that they would do that?
	Or if you never shit tested them and they stayed, you know, and even gave you a good life for this type of thing, it's just the foreknowledge of knowing that enough.
	It's just knowing that they would have done that enough.
	Hmm.
	Let's go to Grok really quick.
	Let's just see what Kroc says and then we'll get the next thing going.
	Yep, go ahead.
	All right.
	The concept of testing a partner in a relationship can be quite nuanced depending on the methods and intentions behind the test.
	Here's a balanced perspective.
	Sometimes small ethical tests can reveal how a partner might handle certain situations like honesty or loyalty.
	Observing how they react to a situation where they could easily lie or cheat, but choosing not to can be telling of their character.
	Some tests are more about creating scenarios where communication is encouraged.
	For example, discussing hypothetical situations, cons of testing, let's scroll down a bit.
	Regularly testing a partner can erode trust.
	If the partner finds out they're being tested, it might lead to feelings of betrayal or manipulation, which can damage the relationship's foundation.
	Manipulative behavior, intentionally setting up scenarios to trick or trap someone can be manipulative.
	Healthy relationships are based on trust, not on constant vigilance or proving one's worth.
	Insecurity, frequent testing might reflect one's insecurities rather than any actual problem with the partner's behavior.
	This can lead to a toxic cycle where no amount of testing will ever reassure the tester.
	So I do actually have a couple follow-ups on this here.
	So would you guys be upset or would you be upset since you did the loyalty test if you got loyalty tested and you passed but you found out that you got tested?
	I always advocate for like healthy communication beforehand and with with with him I did ask him like are you talking to any girls Do you like any girls?
	And he said no, but I didn't believe him.
	So for me is if I did if I told him the truth about me not talking to other guys then I guess it really depends if I lied to him or not.
	Okay.
	I have well do you what do you hmm?
	I don't know if this maybe Andrew can let me know if he what he thinks about this argument, but would any of you object let's say you were married to a guy and he wanted to you had kids with him and he wanted absolute certainty that the kids were his would you he asked you for a paternity test.
	So this is your husband.
	You guys been dating for years.
	You got kids together.
	Maybe even you're married, whatever.
	Would you be offended if he asked you for a paternity test?
	I would say yes because it shows that he doesn't trust me.
	Because I feel like at that stage of marriage, it's like if you don't trust me, then you shouldn't be with me.
	Yeah, yeah, I'd be offended.
	And I think it would break something for sure.
	I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I think that would mean there are other issues.
	Like there is something to talk about.
	But you refuse the paternity test.
	No, I said I'm not sure I would refuse it, you know, but I think it would break something because the trust is.
	Would you refuse it?
	I would do it.
	You would do it?
	But it would destroy your trust, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Would you do a paternity test?
	I would, but I would be upset that he doesn't trust me.
	You'd be upset.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, I'd do it.
	Would you be upset at all?
	Honestly, think about it, not really.
	Just because at that stage, I know, like, if I know my partner well and he's like a little bit anxious as a person, I'm just like, okay, you know what?
	Just to give you peace of mind, here, we'll do it.
	And then if, you know, he gets his answer and he's like, oh, thank the Lord.
	And I'm like, okay, like, you just wasted money and time just to do this test.
	But whatever, like, move on.
	Okay.
	Your thoughts?
	I would do it, but I do feel if there is no reason to not be trusted.
	I guess if I gave him a reason for him not to trust me, then I do feel that's valid.
	Even asking for it, I do feel it's going to ruin a lot for our relationship.
	Would it end the relationship if you asked for one?
	Emotionally, I'm not sure about that.
	You guys speak into the microwave?
	I'm not sure about physically end the relationship, but definitely emotionally for me.
	Wait, it would emotionally end the relationship?
	Wait, it wouldn't physically end the relationship.
	So, you guys would still fuck, but you wouldn't be in love?
	Is that what you're saying?
	I mean, if we were having a child together, I wouldn't necessarily, I would try to find an alternative before, I guess, getting a divorce.
	But in terms of the emotional connection with my husband, it would break that trust agreement between us.
	What about you?
	I would take it.
	I don't think I would be that offended, to be honest.
	I mean, I do think, like a lot of other people mentioned, that it would be kind of a problem that we need to talk about.
	And I would definitely want to know where is this coming from, you know, because I don't think those things ever come from nothing.
	But I would take it.
	I take it.
	I think it's way bigger than just a relationship.
	You wouldn't be upset or maybe a little bit, but I don't think I'd be upset after a while.
	Anissa?
	I would take it, but it would definitely be like hurtful.
	And it'd also like indicate, like you said, a deeper issue.
	Yeah.
	Andrew, any thoughts on the.
	Yeah, I'd like to ask a slightly different question.
	What if he went ahead and took a paternity test without your knowledge?
	And then you found out about it, would that upset you?
	Yes, it's the same.
	I mean, it's worse, even.
	Yeah, but if he knew that you, perhaps you'd had discussions about this or something like this.
	If he knew that you were against this or you thought that somehow this was him bringing your integrity into question, and so in order to spare that, right, this is perhaps he's anxious on his own part or whatever for whatever reason, he decided that he would just go ahead and do this on his own to establish paternity in order to not upset you.
	Isn't he kind of in a catch-22 there?
	Right?
	Isn't he in a catch-22?
	Either he tells you about it and you get super upset, so he has to do that.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	I mean, what's what, like, what are his options at that point?
	Yeah, I mean, if he doesn't tell you, I mean, what doesn't, what you don't know doesn't hurt you, but like doing anything behind your, you know, communication and trust is that, because even you said, like, it's bigger than the relationship.
	I mean, trust is the relationship, in my opinion.
	If I don't trust someone or my friends, what am I having?
	Why would I be in the relationship with them?
	So.
	Yeah, I understand that, but I'm just, I'm not looking at this from your perspective.
	I'm trying to look at it from the other person's perspective.
	So women are always assured of paternity.
	That's not a thing that they ever have to worry about, right?
	They know it's their baby because it's coming out of them.
	Men are the only ones who are ever going to have doubts about paternity.
	They're the only ones.
	Since that is the case, if they wanted the peace of mind of the paternity test, which since almost all forms of family go from father to son, including the last name living on, I understand why men want a paternity established, especially now that we can do it.
	And for most of human history, we couldn't.
	I'm not even sure that, well, I'm not even sure.
	I don't think that it even has anything to do with whether or not they trust their partner, but rather it's just peace of mind.
	So if you set up the option of, if you ask me for a paternity test, I would get super offended and I would be upset about it.
	What choice are you giving them except to go ahead and go behind your back?
	Well, the thing is, like, I just, my expectation is that he trusts me.
	Yeah, but I'm not sure that it's an indicator he doesn't.
	Well, you think you think he would just somebody would just get a paternity test, even if he truly trusted you?
	If he like fully trusts you, like there, that wouldn't make so haven't you ever had intuitive doubts about things which were absurd or didn't make any sense or were kind of silly?
	Like, for instance, maybe you had a dream that your spouse had cheated on you, so you wake up and you start smacking them, right?
	And you call them names, and you're like, How?
	And he didn't even do anything, right?
	It was just like some stupid intuition that you had.
	And then you're like, okay, now hug me and tell me everything's okay.
	And he's like, I didn't even do anything.
	I was just sleeping, right?
	So it's, it's, you can have, I just find it kind of ironic that you can kind of have these silly intuitions and you want those fears assuaged.
	But when somebody else might have what you consider to be silly intuitions and you can just put their mind at ease, somehow they're the bad guy.
	That's a trust issue.
	Why shouldn't the guy look at you if you wake them up, for instance, and say, oh, I had a dream that you were cheating, now make me feel better?
	Why shouldn't he say, how could you not trust me?
	Oh, that's awful.
	You don't trust me.
	Now we have a big issue.
	Why are you having dreams like that?
	Wouldn't that be horrible to say?
	In my opinion, I feel that intuition is very different from intrusive thoughts.
	So if there's no, I guess, inner knowing or maybe even a sense of rationality when it comes to trusting your partner, then you are just kind of feeding into your own ego or those intrusive thoughts that they're cheating on you, but they have given no reason for you to believe that.
	Yeah, but an intrusive thought is irrational, right?
	It's an irrational fear.
	There's people who have irrational fears of spiders.
	They have irrational fear of all sorts of different things.
	And they're generally not shamed for it, right?
	So let me give you a couple of examples.
	An irrational fear of heights, very common.
	An irrational fear, like raise your hand right now if you're claustrophobic.
	I'm sure at least one of you at the table is.
	Yep.
	Every single time, at least one person will be.
	What about fear of heights?
	Raise your hand if you have that.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	So we already have established this right here at the table.
	There's two people who have irrational fears, right?
	Way more than you can.
	But the thing is, is that what?
	Wait, tell Andrew, I don't think fear of heights is irrational.
	That shit's irrational.
	Say that shit.
	Brian said that fear of heights is not an irrational fear.
	Yeah, what if you're three feet off the ground, dude?
	What if you're three feet off the ground?
	Then is it irrational?
	What about two feet?
	Still capacity for interest.
	What if you're enclosed?
	What if you're enclosed in a room and you just have a window and you look over and it's 50 feet down and you know, you start getting queasy?
	These are rational fears.
	And so the thing is, is like if that's the case, if you have an irrational fear that a partner could easily take care of for you, like, for instance, you have a bad dream.
	A woman has a bad dream that the guy cheated.
	This is so common.
	In fact, there's entire studies on this phenomenon.
	Entire studies on women having bad dreams and that they don't mean anything and that it's just a silly intuition.
	But the number one thing that they ask their partner to do when they have that bad dream is to comfort them.
	That's the number one thing they ask: listen, I know that this isn't rational, but I'd like you to comfort me anyway.
	Yeah.
	And so now, now, can you imagine if you could say, okay, if we can swab your cheek right now, right?
	These dreams will go away from me forever.
	Wouldn't you want him to do that?
	Yeah, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, right.
	I mean, wouldn't you want him to like if you had dreams, recurring dreams, which you thought he was cheating, there was no evidence of cheating, right?
	It's all just inside your head.
	It's all just intuition.
	And all he had to do was swab his cheek and he'd never have that dream again.
	Wouldn't you want him to?
	I mean, I would, I would self-regulate.
	You know, that's, I feel like that's something I would deal with myself if, you know, if there are no signs, it's really just like random.
	And, you know, and I'm just like, oh.
	And I don't see how that would come up if you don't see signs.
	If, again, I think it would come from you.
	Yeah, but you can misinterpret all of the signs, and that could lead to the dream, right?
	So you could misinterpret everything and have no evidence, be totally wrong.
	This happens all the time.
	Why is it okay for you to do that?
	Just not men.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, that's what I mean, though.
	It's like, men could easily misinterpret all sorts of things or have all sorts of irrational fears.
	And if you can just kind of, oh, I can just swab my cheek and put all those fears to bed, it seems really silly to me that when the shoe's on one foot, oh, this irrational fear is kind of fine, but when it's on the other foot, it's not, even though women don't ever have to worry about that fear because they're the birthers of the children.
	They always have paternity established.
	It's not men.
	Well, I mean, maternity for them and then paternity for men, right?
	Well, some women sometimes don't know either.
	Well, they may not know who the father is, but they're going to always know who the mother is.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, fathers, fathers, though, they're not, they're not, they don't have that guarantee.
	Women always have the guarantee that this is my child.
	So, you know, if you can have those irrational fears and ask that those things be like comforted away because it makes you feel better, I don't understand how that's not just the same thing in reverse.
	Well, I mean, it is the same thing, but that's in what I said is goes for in reverse as well.
	If a woman has an irrational fear of something, I think she has.
	I deal with my shit when I know it's kind of irrational.
	You know, I don't need somebody else.
	Oh, come on.
	So, you've never, ever, ever in your life had an irrational fear like that and asked somebody to comfort that fear away?
	Like, you've never had that dream and you've never been like, okay, I had this dream and I'd like to talk to you about it just because it'll make me feel better, right?
	Never, not really, no.
	No, okay.
	Well, how many women?
	But I mean, yeah, I guess it's something, but no, I've never.
	How many women here have had dreams that their significant other might be cheating?
	Yeah, or maybe seeing other people.
	How many times have you thought perhaps they were, even though they weren't, right?
	And you misread the signs.
	Can we get a show of hands on that?
	Yeah, I mean, it happens, right?
	And so the thing is, is I think that if you were talking to your girlfriends the next day, you said, Listen, I had a bad dream that my significant other was cheating on me.
	And when I woke up, he said to me, You know what?
	I can't believe you don't trust me.
	You're a rotten, you're a rotten person.
	I can't believe it.
	That's awful.
	And then went and slept in another room.
	I think that they would all be like, What a jerk.
	They'd all be like, What a jerk that he did that to you.
	What an absolute.
	All he had to do was give you a hug.
	All he had to do was tell you it would be okay.
	But then somehow, though, if they ask for like the most important thing on planet Earth, which is just establishing the paternity of their child, that's some kind of big ask.
	And that to me is just absurd.
	Well, I mean, asking for support, it's not like asking for proof.
	It's different.
	Yeah, it is.
	It is asking for proof.
	You're asking them for the same thing.
	You're asking them to make you feel better about an irrational fear about something which you know, they know it's not true, right?
	So your partner, your husband, your boyfriend, whatever, they know they're not cheating on you.
	Yeah.
	So it's accusatory.
	It's accusatory to be like, even I, even to tell them, oh, I had a bad dream, comfort me.
	That in its own way is accusatory.
	And it's like, so, but, but the expectation is like, well, they're men, you know, they, they should hug us and make us feel better about this stuff.
	But it's like, when it's all the shoes on the other foot, it's suddenly it's offensive and how dare they?
	And I just don't understand.
	It's offensive in both ways, but equivalent would be the guy not asking for a test, but asking for comfort.
	That's the equivalent of the situation and be like, hey, are you?
	Is this me?
	Me comforting and saying, like, yes, he's yours.
	It's the same thing as, like, let's say you said the dream thing you said.
	Oh, yeah, sure, sure.
	But let's say you could give if the guy, if the girl was having recurring dreams, you said you would expect them to swab their cheek, right?
	They would get rid of the dreams forever.
	You know, hey, will you just swab the cheek and then my dreams go away forever?
	All these bad dreams that I have about this rational fear go away.
	And you're like, no, that's not appropriate.
	That's just silly to me.
	Of course, every man I could imagine would be like, yeah, sure, I don't care.
	Everybody doubtless.
	I don't think they would care.
	I think that every man I've ever talked to has woken up with a woman next to him who has said this to him, who has said, I think you're cheating, blah, And I know it's not rational.
	It's a bad dream that I had.
	It's not even true, but I had the bad dream.
	Make me feel better.
	That's talked to.
	Uh-huh.
	You don't think they find that annoying?
	You don't think they feel annoying?
	Well, I think they find it annoying, but I think that because they, you know, kind of adore the other person, that if she was like, oh, if you just swab your cheek with this q-tip for 30 seconds, I'll never wake you up with this again.
	I think they would do it.
	And I don't even think they would complain.
	I literally don't even think they would complain.
	I think they'd be like, yeah, whatever.
	I don't care.
	I think they do it while they're brushing their teeth.
	I don't think they'd care, right?
	Can I interject?
	Sure.
	Honestly, I see your point.
	I feel like it doesn't matter if you're a man or woman, everyone needs reassurance at least.
	If everyone has some sort of like fears or worries or anxieties, which is completely fine.
	That's why when the guy needs a swab, then to like to ease his mind, then I'm like, okay, sure.
	And, but it does really, again, serves like a means to just talk about like what's really going on.
	Because here's the thing, too.
	Like, I am, I'm someone that's like, oh, like, are you, like, do you love me?
	You know, I sometimes ask, like, oh, do you still love me?
	Like, of course, like, why do you keep asking?
	It's just a matter of reassurance, but there is a threshold, I feel like, where the more you are showing that anxiety, the more it indicates to your partner that you don't have enough confidence in the relationship.
	And I feel like having confidence, having trust again is something that is.
	Yeah, I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure that I buy any of that.
	That's like a bizarre psychoanalysis.
	So here's the thing: people are vastly complex.
	Individuals, especially, are vastly complex, and their experiences are so different from one another that it's essentially impossible to even determine, you know, even the basic things of like what would make one guy a jerk might make another guy endearing.
	What makes one woman, you know, a brat might make another woman, you know, cute to other people.
	There's everything from presentation to voice structure to every people are just overwhelmingly complex.
	And so a person can be an extraordinarily nice person.
	They can be a great person, trust you 100%, and still have an irrational fear.
	And it's like to be offended by the fact that you can, you know, take that burden off their mind seems insane because if I give you tons of examples of it happening the opposite way, it's just so common we take it for granted.
	At the same time, too, I feel like, again, before you get into a relationship, you are your own person.
	Everyone has at least some sort of line or boundary that they set.
	Of course, like once or twice, it's okay.
	Like, I'll let it slide, but then again, you got to work on it.
	Again, a relationship is something that is between two people and communicating to work on like obstacles such as anxiety or going through certain like irrational fears.
	I feel like that's a beautiful thing to like, as a relationship, just to work on each other.
	But again, if it's not leading to like where it's going to have any positive progress, that's where the relationship I feel goes downhill.
	I feel like, again, if we're going back to like the paternity test thing, it's not, I don't think it's that deep, but there is some like sort of like bitter feeling, but that can could be definitely worked out.
	A lot of things could definitely be worked out if there's communication.
	But I know not a lot of people here or like a lot of people in general are like perfect, secured relationships.
	Some people deal with like anxiety.
	Well, they could be though.
	I think you could be in a perfectly secure relationship and one person still has a fear, which is just totally irrational for no good reason.
	And if you're with that person for a very long time, you know how they are.
	And so if that's what I mean, it's like I don't think that, I don't think these things are done from a position of I don't trust you, right?
	I don't think these things are done from a position of I dislike you or I think that you're a lady about town or a harlot of the night.
	I think that they're done because establishing paternity is something that men wish historically they've always, I mean, kings would have given kingdoms for this technology to be able to establish 100% who their heirs were going to be.
	They would have given kingdoms for it.
	And now it's right there at your fingertip for 1999 in a Walmart.
	And it's like, give the guy a peace of mind.
	You know, they do it for you all the time for every little crazy thing that pops into a woman's mind, right?
	Whatever it may be, whatever rational fear is.
	Oh, I heard a noise.
	Go check it out.
	Okay, I'll go check it out, even though he knows there's nothing down there.
	Or, oh, you know, the car is making a noise.
	No, it's fine, honey.
	There's nothing wrong with the car.
	No, it's making a noise.
	Okay, it's fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	There's so many times where men are kind of, you know, operating off of taking care of the fear and irrational fears of women.
	And yet somehow they're supposed to kind of, women are supposed to get a pass on when it's their turn to kind of operate the same way towards men.
	And I just, I've always thought that that was absurd.
	Just, you know, my take on it.
	All right.
	We have two new guests who arrived.
	We'll have them introduce themselves.
	Please tell us your name, age, occupation, and location, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Hi, I'm Irene.
	I'm 22 years old.
	I am currently working as a tarot reader.
	I graduated with a psychology major recently, and I'm from Dallas, Texas.
	A tarot reader, okay.
	All right, what about you?
	Hello, my name is Katerina.
	I am 22 years old as well.
	It was just my birthday this week.
	And then I work at a student financial center at San Diego State University.
	I'm also studying there, majoring in marketing and sales and minoring in social psychology.
	And I'm originally from Europe.
	I moved to California about three years ago.
	All right.
	And so, current relationship status, longest relationship?
	Single and longest relationship, a year and a half.
	How long have you been single?
	Like around seven months.
	Is that the one, the 1.5 year relationship?
	Who broke up with who in your most recent relationship?
	My partner broke up with me.
	And then the 1.5-year relationship, who broke up with who?
	My partner.
	Okay.
	And then for you, relationship status?
	I'm single as well.
	My longest relationship is also a year and a half.
	I actually broke up a couple of weeks ago, really recent.
	Three weeks?
	Like two weeks ago.
	Okay.
	Who broke up with who?
	I broke up with him.
	Longest relationship?
	Who broke up with who?
	That is the longest one.
	That was the longest.
	Oh, that was the most recent one.
	I see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I have some other question here.
	So you guys were a little bit late here.
	Now that's what I call, okay, that's what I call a test.
	You see the omission of even a token apology.
	So why were you guys late?
	We had a situation with a car.
	So we rented the car because she came to visit me from Dallas and we rented it, I believe, from Tuesday.
	And I live in downtown San Diego and I don't usually have a car.
	And the parking is an issue.
	For anyone who ever been to downtown San Diego, they know that.
	And yeah, there was a problem with that.
	Yeah, we got a ticket and we had to pick it up.
	So there was this whole issue happening.
	The car was rented on Tuesday.
	Yes.
	Yes, Tuesday night.
	But today, you rented the car in advance.
	Yeah.
	Well, so we wanted to kind of hang out before the podcast and she was going to show me around because she doesn't own a car.
	And so we did rent it for a few days in advance.
	Okay.
	I suppose that makes it a little more plausible.
	It's just typically when.
	I'll just take your word for it on that front.
	The car was towed.
	So we wanted to.
	But so you wrote.
	Hold on.
	You rented the car on Tuesday, so like five days ago.
	Yeah.
	Did you park the car last night in the same spot you've been parking it in since Tuesday?
	No, it's sitting.
	It's street parking, so it changes every time we drive it.
	It's street parking in downtown San Diego.
	So we had to find a different parking spot every time.
	And the car was towed for.
	So we got a ticket because I guess you can't have a car parked for more than 72 hours.
	Which is incorrect, by the way.
	Which, yes, we'll talk about that later.
	So we, for the past couple of days, we weren't using our car at all because we were going out and we got several tickets as well as the car towed.
	Yeah, because of that 72-hour limit.
	But why rent the car if you let it sit there for we weren't planning on not using the car.
	It just happened to be that way.
	Okay.
	Do you have proof of the tow?
	We can bring it in the car with us.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Well, there you have it, folks.
	I'll just take your word for it, I guess.
	I got my driver's license pretty recently because when I moved from Europe, I didn't get it because they don't really drive around there until they're 18.
	So that might have been our bad a little bit.
	Not the best parker.
	But that's kind of the reason for that as well.
	Okay, I'm going to go back to the pre-show notes.
	You said.
	Don't worry, neither are most American women.
	Don't feel bad.
	It's not unique to European women.
	Okay.
	Well, I'm getting better.
	All right.
	So you said your friends and I have crazy stories.
	Was there another crazy story you wish to share?
	Do you have one?
	Me?
	Mm-hmm.
	A crazy story?
	Mm-hmm.
	Not really.
	I think I feel like my experiences in dating are kind of, I guess, common.
	So it's not, it's not crazy.
	Dude, it's not crazy as yours.
	That's all I want to say.
	It is not that crazy.
	But I did had a talking stage for like seven months, which is not good.
	And I definitely learned from that experience.
	That was beautiful.
	That was okay.
	All right.
	I'll get into the other notes then.
	So let's see.
	We got Vianca.
	Vianca, you said the time I was love bombed by a narcissist.
	What's the story there?
	Oh, yeah.
	So I met this guy online, right?
	And we met up, we had a date and whatnot, and it went good.
	So we just, every weekend, he would come over.
	It was like a two-hour drive, so he would come over, pick me up, and like we would go on dates, I guess, like cue dates or whatnot.
	And yeah, I think I was very delusional after the second date.
	And I started to get really attached by what he would say and do.
	And so, yeah, just weeks kept passing by, two months, and I started to notice like little things that he would do.
	But I said, I was like, just kind of love bomb and kind of didn't say anything, like little red flags that he would do.
	And so it just didn't end up good.
	Oh my god, that was the vaguest story ever.
	Okay.
	I will.
	Was he a diagnosed narcissist or did you diagnose him as a narcissist?
	I guess I did.
	Just because, like, I don't know, he would like he would gaslight you.
	No, no, no.
	It's already difficult enough getting an answer out of her.
	Just don't interrupt.
	Let her answer, please.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so he would like do I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so we're just looking for what are what is the narcissistic type of behavior that you would see that led you to diagnose him as a narcissist.
	Like, let's say I was going to the gym and like he would like, I would wear something and he'd be like, oh, like that's, you know, it's like a crop tub.
	Like, yo, don't wear that.
	Or like saying, like, oh, post this, or else, like, you don't love me, you know?
	Like, type, I don't know.
	Yeah.
	He's, he, he did, like, I verbatim said that.
	Like, like, oh, like, not love me, but, like, like, say, like, oh, like, why aren't you, like, posting this?
	Like, you know, like, like, I took a picture.
	I mean, Andrew, I'll let you continue in just a sec here.
	But did everybody at the table, and did the chat, notice what you just did?
	So you said he said something.
	Yes.
	And then when I pressed you, you said he actually didn't say that.
	Wait, wait.
	He said something completely different.
	Wait, I'm getting confused.
	You said, if you don't post this, you don't love me.
	Like, not love me, but like, oh, like, no affection towards me.
	Like, you're not showing any affection, like, you know, in that way.
	But there's a big difference between, at least I think, between a man saying, if you don't do this, it's proof that you don't love me, and a man saying, if you don't do this, this is perhaps an example of you not caring.
	I think that's a big difference.
	I probably do.
	I think we need to be very precise in our language here because I don't think it's fair to, if you're explaining a situation about how somebody has allegedly wronged you, to lie about what they said.
	But go on, continue.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Andrew was asking what he did that was narcissistic.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm pretty bad at this.
	I think that's just going to be.
	I mean, I don't know why I should.
	I think that's a quit.
	That's going to be a quit.
	I mean, she went into the bathroom, but that's going to be a quit.
	Andrew, I know you have strong opinions on the whole narcissism thing.
	Yeah, well.
	Peace out.
	Peace out.
	You too, homie.
	It's just been something that I've experienced quite often that when a woman calls a man a narcissist and I ask if the man has actually been diagnosed as a narcissist, the answer universally is no.
	That they have not, which means that there's a lot of women who are either dating the same like 12 guys who are narcissists or whatever, or they really overdiagnose how many men are narcissists.
	And I'm just, I've never been able to quite figure out why it is that so many women in the first place think that they could make such a diagnosis to begin with.
	So, yeah.
	What's going on?
	What's going on?
	Huh?
	What's going on?
	Huh?
	Done?
	Donezo?
	She's done.
	Oh, okay.
	All right, that's a.
	Okay, all right, that's fine.
	Morgan, welcome to the panel.
	Andrew, sorry for the interruption.
	We were still figuring out what we were doing.
	Yeah, that a lot of women seem to diagnose men with narcissism, even though they have zero credentials to do so.
	They have absolutely no real ability to do so.
	They don't have the required training to do so.
	And yet, they're very quick to do that.
	And it's very damaging to a person's reputation to say that they're narcissistic.
	You're essentially hitting them with an order which is on par with borderline personality disorder and others like this.
	And I just wonder why women think it's like, for instance, I guess I should ask this first, but has anybody at the table ever dated a narcissist?
	Yeah, now suddenly not, right?
	I think I have.
	I think I have.
	You think you have?
	I think I have, yeah.
	But like you said, like you can never officially tell, right?
	And I mean, I think women do, or people do over diagnose, but also narcissistic people kind of never get really diagnosed because they don't know that they are or don't think that they are and they would never go to therapy to be diagnosed.
	So I think those are two kind of reasons.
	But I don't, yeah, you're right.
	I think you can never be shocked.
	I mean, you know, possibly, the big problem that I have, though, is that many of the traits which are considered narcissistic by women in modernity are often conflated with things which are just confidence, assertiveness, not putting up with things that they don't like or having standards that they want to adhere to.
	Those things are also desirable traits.
	And yet, oftentimes, even though those are the traits which attract women to that man in the first place, later after the relationship has been resolved, they say that, oh, I should have known those were narcissistic traits, which is that's that's, I guess, the bizarre part to me.
	It's like the guy you said, for instance, Rachel, you said, I dated a narcissist.
	When you think about those narcissistic traits that you now look back on and say, these were signs of narcissism, weren't those similar traits to what attracted you to the guy in the first place?
	No, because he doesn't show at first.
	It just starts showing up kind of in a sneaky way.
	And then it's like there's more and more gaslighting and there's more and more like criticism.
	And then it just becomes more and more as you go along the relationship.
	And at some point, you're kind of like, you start doubting yourself so much about kind of everything and you erase yourself.
	But at the beginning, you don't, it doesn't show as confidence or anything like that.
	Well, what does it show us?
	At the beginning, it doesn't show at all.
	Yeah, but what did this, what was this guy's narcissistic trait?
	Just like constant criticism, you feel like you have to walk on eggshells.
	Like everything you're going to do is going to be wrong.
	Everything you're going to say is going to be wrong.
	He's going to kind of freak out about every little thing that you say.
	Those could apply to a narcissist, but they could also apply.
	Well, gaslighting, controlling, like he needs to control the situation.
	It needs to be like he wants.
	And like, let's say you, there's a double standard as well.
	Like he makes a joke.
	And if you make that joke, then it doesn't, you know.
	All of those things, which I agree probably aren't desirable characteristics, can still be held by people who are not narcissists.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	That's why I said you can never really know.
	Well, I think you can know.
	I think that you know by having a diagnosis by medical professionals who work with these people for many years before they make such a diagnosis.
	But even then, I guess maybe an olive branch here, maybe you can't ever know because even diagnoses between psychological professionals tend to differ when it comes to individuals because of how complex it is.
	So one psychologist may say, yes, that's a narcissist.
	Another one says, no, it's not a narcissist.
	Because we're talking about human behavior, the scientific method often goes out the window, right?
	Yeah, and narcissism apparently is the hardest thing to diagnose.
	And narcissist people are very, very smart and very manipulative.
	So apparently, apparently, they can fuck up with the actual psychologist or a psychopathology.
	I'm not even sure it exists.
	I'm not convinced that the actual condition of narcissism exists any more than psychopathy exists.
	I mean, psychopathy is completely made up.
	It's not in any psychological handbooks, not in any of the DSMs.
	It's just never, we made it up, right?
	I mean, we made the entire kid.
	People call each other psychopaths all the time.
	It's not even a diagnosable condition.
	It's like, we just made it up.
	I guess that's the thing.
	Like, how many of you didn't know that?
	How many of you didn't know that we made up psychopathy?
	We made up psychopath.
	That's a totally made-up diagnosis.
	How many of you knew that?
	I didn't.
	Yeah.
	It's totally, it's toy, it's completely fabricated.
	I mean, it's, I think it's fun to call people that, right?
	I guess.
	Oh, that guy's a real psycho.
	But that's not what they call it.
	They call it, you know, it's a personality disorder.
	They have different names.
	You might refer to that as some form of psychopathy, but there's no actual diagnosis for psychopathy.
	So, yeah, it's hard for me to believe some of these, you know, some of these kind of widely used diagnoses like narcissism.
	I'm not even sure if they really exist.
	Wait, so none of y'all have dated a narcissist, really?
	None of you?
	Come on.
	I just said I think I did.
	I think my dad is one.
	Your dad's one?
	I think so.
	Okay.
	Nope.
	I don't think so.
	A narcissist?
	Yes?
	That has narcissistic tendencies, yes.
	Okay.
	But there's a difference if you have tendencies where you're, like you guys said, are actually diagnosed with it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, and that's the bothersome thing, right?
	It's like narcissistic tendencies means what?
	So I do feel, I mean, I did some research on narcissism.
	There's two types of narcissism: there's covert and overt.
	No, covert narcissism, and there's actually six different kinds.
	Okay.
	But covert narcissism is under the umbrella, and it's widely disputed by psychologists if covert narcissism even exists or grandiose or grandiose narcissism, if that even exists, right?
	So these are umbrella terms, but again, it's very difficult to get to specificity when you start to dive into it.
	You start to find out, well, it's a lot more vague than you think.
	I think it's important to do research on these, I guess, diagnoses and before you choose to self-diagnose or diagnose someone else without a medical professional.
	But it can help you be aware of what's going on with that person and why they have these tendencies.
	Like, for example, like, I feel that narcissists lack empathy.
	So it's the difference between the overt and covert that I was mentioning is overt is the grandiose narcissism.
	It's very outward projection, whereas covert, it's harder to really spot because they're not as they don't really need the praise from society.
	It's more, I guess, sneaky is just like an easier way to put it.
	And I do feel that overt narcissism is like the embodying of grandiose behaviors and thinking that they are better than others because they have that lack of empathy, but they also can be very charming because they put on some sort of facade.
	Yeah, let me try to give you like maybe a different take here.
	Well, I was in a shop one time, and I was welding something up, and I looked up, and a guy had put a drill bit through his hand, and he was screaming, and it was bleeding everywhere.
	And all of us stopped what we were doing and started laughing.
	Of course, we went over and we were helping him while he was screaming, but we were laughing hysterically while this was happening.
	Does that show a distinct lack of empathy, right?
	I think it does, but I think that masculine, when you're talking about masculinity and you're talking about how men behave, we're not supposed to be overly empathetic.
	We're not supposed to be that way.
	That's not what we're designed to do.
	We're literally designed to go out and kill large animals, right, and feel nothing.
	We're not supposed to care about fluffy.
	We're not supposed to care how fluffy looks.
	We're supposed to care how fluffy tastes.
	And so, what happens, I think, is this kind of great conflation where because women are very empathetic to each other, they think that men, in turn, are also supposed to be very empathetic.
	Men are not empathetic.
	We're not empaths.
	We're not supposed to be empaths.
	That would be very bad if we were empathetic, in fact.
	That would be the opposite of good.
	We wouldn't have been able to hunt very well, for instance, right?
	I don't believe that narcissism is directly associated with gender or masculinity or femininity.
	True.
	I don't think that laughing at the matter at hand is like the direct example of a lack of empathy, as what I was relating to with narcissism.
	It's almost, it feels very fake when they do the display of empathy because they have that lack of depth when it does come to their empathy.
	And they will be obvious.
	Many men have trouble conveying, for instance, and women too, right?
	So, this argument would be used right back against you.
	Many people just have trouble conveying empathy.
	It doesn't even mean that they're not empathetic.
	They just have trouble with it.
	Or they're not particularly wired to be empathetic.
	Men, especially, are not wired to be empathetic.
	We're not supposed to be empathetic.
	We're supposed to have barriers and guards from empathy for a reason.
	Men who are designed from the biological perspective to protect the tribe, they're going to have to kill other men, right?
	That's what they're wired to kill other men.
	If they're wired to do that, how much empathy should they be bogged down with?
	Probably not much, right?
	Probably not much.
	There's a difference between outwardly showing that you lack empathy and kind of embracing that quality about yourself versus lacking that empathy and making it as if that you have this empathy.
	And that's why I said that narcissists tend to be more charming people because they fake that kind of empathy.
	Yeah, but think about what you're saying.
	Imagine that you're in school, you're a young man, right?
	And schools are mostly overwhelmingly run by women.
	And most of the policies are implemented by women.
	You tend to see young women do really well in school and young men not do well in school.
	Men are penalized for things which we consider to be just fine.
	For instance, if a man gets up in the middle of class and drags another guy outside and beats him up, we don't really care about that.
	We don't consider that to be a big deal.
	And we never did.
	Even in the United States, the idea of like you punched somebody in school and you went to jail or you got suspended or expelled, that's a new thing, right?
	That's a new thing.
	So when you're talking about like rough and tumble play things like this, imagine being in an environment where you're told that you need to be empathetic all the time.
	You're following a different set of rules, which are designed not for your sex or how you're designed.
	It would be very easy for you to fall into the pattern of faking things like empathy in order to keep the people around you happy, even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with you having far less of it or not expressing it.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah, like when you were in school, when you're you guys aren't that removed from high school, who was more likely to get into fist fights, the boys or the girls?
	Boys.
	Boys.
	The boys, right?
	And how often were they able to become friends?
	Hey, we got it.
	After they got in the fist fight, how often were they able to become friends afterwards?
	Guys do make out like easier, make up easier.
	That is true.
	Usually when girls are offended by each other, there's usually like a lot of toxic emotional behavior thereafter.
	So I do agree with that.
	Yeah.
	So what happens is that men kick the shit out of each other all the time.
	And we just don't see a big deal with it.
	And we're not very empathetic about it.
	And we usually laugh hysterically at the guy who's on the ground and then pick his ass up and brush him off.
	Like that's how we do things.
	Women, they don't do things that way.
	They're looking for empathy, things like this.
	But I don't really see why men need to necessarily live in a woman's world where we have to kind of pretend that empathy is this kind of primary edict, because for us, it's just really not.
	Wait, Andrews, originally, do you think that women are more empathetic than men?
	Well, I think that they display empathy much more than men.
	I think that the way that this is expressed is far different, right?
	I think that men can suppress their emotions far better than women can.
	And they're very good at doing it.
	And they have the chemicals in their body that make them good at doing it.
	And women, oftentimes, even if their chemical makeup is perfect for controlling emotions, one time a month, even the chemical differential will kind of kick in.
	And you can see all sorts of hysterical behavior, this type of thing, just based on that alone.
	So, yeah, I do think that men are empathetic, but I think that they display it far differently.
	And what I would consider empathy and what a woman would consider empathy are two very different things.
	Well, excluding the outward displays of empathy, assuming there is no display of empathy, either from a man or woman, do you think women have a greater capacity to the amount of empathy from any normal man or normal woman would be the same?
	But I would say that the counter that men have when they're applying things to it, different chemicals in their body to it, and then stoicism and perhaps reason, things like this, which they're rewarded for in society and always have been, they apply those traits to empathy.
	And I don't think that those types of barriers exist that way for women.
	And instead, different types of barriers for different emotions exist for them.
	So I'm not saying that men and women aren't just as empathetic.
	I'm saying that you're going to think of it like a barrier that you have to walk through.
	One barrier, then the next barrier, then the next barrier.
	If all a person was, ever was empathetic, that would be terrible, right?
	And so these kind of displays are differentiated by what it is that men value versus women.
	And I think that we value reason and we are rewarded for reason and we're rewarded for keeping emotions under control and women not so much.
	They don't really see rewards that same way.
	And so I think that there's kind of counters in how empathy is displayed.
	But don't you think there should be a healthy balance between logic and empathy and emotional reasoning and logical reasoning?
	What if it's logical for me not to be empathetic?
	Which one should win?
	I mean, as someone, I am not.
	Hang on, let me ask you the question again.
	What if the most logical thing I can do in a situation is not to be empathetic?
	But if I were empathetic, it would make the person feel better.
	Which thing should I do?
	I think from my personal perspective, logical think is always better, but I know that some people value emotions more.
	Yeah, no, what you just did was you just gave me a value judgment.
	And your value judgment is we should value logic over empathy.
	So if that is the case, if a man does exactly that, I don't see why he'd be punished for it or how that would be a bad balance because we're valuing that now higher than empathy, right?
	Yes, but I feel like the men that you're mentioning a lot of the times are the men who doesn't have any empathy or lack complete any emotional capacity to understand.
	Those men completely lack those traits are extraordinarily rare.
	I mean extraordinarily rare.
	Yes, I'm sure that we've all encountered them.
	I think most of us who have encountered them probably didn't even know that we encountered them, but they're very rare.
	And I think that the reason so many people misdiagnose this who aren't even in the field of psychology is because they see things as being a lack of empathy or see things as being a lack of emotion because they would behave differently or they're used to behave people behaving differently.
	But that doesn't mean that the person actually lacks empathy, right?
	No, of course not.
	I just think that both genders or people, because it doesn't always apply to gender, I'm more of a logical person, whereas my friend sometimes is more empathetic.
	I think we both need to work on each other and learn from each other how to improve both sides.
	That's all.
	Yeah, but I'm going to kind of reject the balance thing, right?
	I don't think that you need to be balanced.
	I think that there's kind of a hierarchical order of how things should be done.
	And do I think that you should defer to kind of reason and logic before emotion?
	I do.
	And I don't think that that needs to be balanced.
	Why does that need to be balanced exactly?
	That to me seems foolish.
	That doesn't mean like it has to be 50-50% balanced.
	That just means try to understand the other person too.
	Yeah, but that's logical, right?
	You're literally, you're asking for logic here.
	If you say, you try to understand the other person's perspective, I mean, that's exactly what we're doing the second we're arguing or the second we're crafting arguments or the second we're doing any of that we're literally trying to understand the other person's perspective the entire course of discourse is to do this right Oh, sorry.
	Yeah, I mean, I do see what you mean and, like I said, I'm someone who values logic more.
	However, if you're trying to be logical about a situation, sometimes you're becoming too robotic, and I think it's healthy to include emotions in whatever decision.
	Well, who gets to determine these standards?
	Like, who gets to just determine the standard of what's too robotic and what's empathetic enough, other than how I feel?
	So I mean again, you just it's always just a deference to, but I feel this way and it's like well, if the other person doesn't feel that way and they're not doing anything wrong, exactly it then we're just really kind of putting it down to preferences right correct yeah, it varies from a person to person, but I think I do think that there's some people from both sides who are too close-minded to see the other way.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah, but I think closed-mindedness is good too.
	Like, for instance, I would be very closed-minded to an open relationship right, I would be very close-minded to, I mean, just any number of different things I would be extremely closed-minded to, and I don't really see a problem with that either.
	I, I mean, I don't see why that's problematic.
	I mean, there are specific things that we're all closed-minded about.
	Yeah, sure.
	But what I mean, being open-minded about that, okay, this person functions differently.
	This person thinks with their emotions first and then thinks through the actions.
	Whereas, like me, for example, I think.
	Yeah, sure.
	But here's the difference, right?
	Here's the difference.
	You and I value that differently.
	And that's where this kind of empathy thing comes up, right?
	Is because I don't value everybody else's decisions equally.
	I think a lot of people make stupid decisions that I don't value.
	I think that they have bullshit lifestyles that I don't value.
	And so I just say, okay, this is valueless to me.
	I don't care about it.
	I don't even want to understand it, right?
	It's completely valueless.
	And I don't see a problem with that.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yeah, no, 100%.
	I mean, that's why you wouldn't work with every single person, whether that would be as a friend or a relationship.
	It all varies from a person to person.
	And definitely, I mean, I'm sure we all have opinions about, oh, yeah, this person is doing something weird and I don't want to interact with that.
	But I'm saying if you're already, if we're talking about relationships and you're already pursuing this person, and if you guys are already close, you should make amends to try to work on each other together and understand each other better.
	Because I think the healthier relationship, it always should be a balance of emotions and logic.
	Yeah, I mean, maybe, but then the thing is, is I think that all relationships are going to have dominance involved.
	One person's always going to be dominant over the other person, no matter what type of relationship you ever engage in.
	I think any two consciousnesses which come together, one is going to dominate the other one, no matter what.
	And so the thing is, is like, when you say to find this balance, right, I say that you should find the deference.
	Who's going to be deferred to and who's not going to be deferred to when it comes to the larger decisions?
	And that's where the Christian ethic comes in of submission from my worldview.
	So if there's dominance in a connection, there must be the opposing quality or energy which is giving that balance in this kind of.
	Why must there?
	Sorry?
	Why must there?
	In order for someone to be more dominant in a connection, there must be someone more submissive.
	What must there?
	What must there?
	Yeah, I don't understand the premise here.
	So in order for someone to be more dominant, one person has to be more submissive.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yes.
	Okay, gotcha.
	All right, go ahead.
	So this kind of reminds me of the golden mean.
	This is a philosophical, I can't ever pronounce that.
	Maybe by Aristotle, but it's all about there can never be too much excess or deficiency.
	So I do believe everything must be balanced in order to work.
	And in this case, if we're talking about emotion and logic, in order to be an impartial person, you do have to understand all sides and not just through logic, but with your emotions as well in order to get to a sound decision.
	Well, yeah, maybe, but I still don't really understand where you're going with it.
	Like, even if I were to assume that you needed to have emotions and logic, I think I would agree with that.
	But I'm not really sure what the point here is when we're talking about two consciousnesses, which would always, one would always need to defer to the other.
	Like I said, that's always going to be the case, right?
	It's just, I think that what...
	Well, I'm just trying to figure out the position, that's all.
	I'm not beating you up.
	I just want to figure out the position.
	Like, what is it you're actually trying to say here?
	Well, just because you did mention that you don't find it important to have balance, I was just providing an example of why I do believe balance is important in all areas of your life.
	Well, balance to me would assume, like if I was trying to balance this pin, that it was equal on all sides, otherwise it would fall over.
	But as was just demonstrated by the gal next to you, and I'm sorry I didn't catch your name because you came in a little late.
	But she said, well, when we're talking about balance, what if you had the pin still balanced, but it was like this, right?
	What if it was over on its side like this?
	It's still balanced, right?
	It's just all moving one direction.
	But when you say balance, I'm not sure that I'm looking for equality or equality between logic and emotion.
	We just want balance here, right?
	That's what you're saying?
	Yes.
	Nope.
	Yeah, so I mean, if that's the case, then I wouldn't disagree with that.
	I'm just saying that I think that the deference to logic and reason is usually going to be superior than the deference to emotion.
	And that men are, generally speaking, more reasonable and more logical.
	And so generally speaking, I think that women should probably defer to men.
	That's my basic syllogism.
	I'd say to each their own on that stance.
	Yeah, that's obvious.
	Wait, what does that mean, though?
	To each their own.
	To each their own.
	If you do feel that way, then in your own stance and in your own way of logically thinking, then, so be it.
	If we're going to talk about this in the sense of like relationships and stuff like that, someone who probably feels the same way as you is going to compliment to you, complement that.
	And that way will create that ultimate balance in your way.
	Well, I mean, there are people that want to be furries, and they will find someone who wants to do that with them.
	But do you object to his, I think Andrew's getting to kind of, at least to some degree, this concept of women being submissive to men.
	Do you object to this in a relationship dynamic context?
	I would say, like, it definitely is a trope that is quite common.
	What do you mean, a trope?
	Like, it's a relationship type that men are more dominant than women.
	It's very common.
	I understand that.
	But there's also like relationship types that I feel like the woman wears the pants.
	Does this make sense?
	There are some stay-at-home dads, for instance, and Lamond would be the provider.
	Well, we can go ahead and grant that there's all kinds of relationship dynamics.
	There are women who are more dominant.
	There are women who want to date soy boys and peg them.
	I'm not really interested in that, though.
	What I am interested in is kind of more painting with a bit more of a broad brush and seeing what works best, generally speaking, when it comes to relationships.
	What do men generally want?
	What do women generally want?
	Because we can make all these carve-outs about, well, I have a friend who knows a brother, who knows a guy, and she pegs him.
	Okay, cool.
	But I think what Andrew's talking about is he's taking a position.
	He's not just saying, well, whatever floats your boat.
	He's saying, I think, Andrew, you can correct me, the best relationships, they work out best if the woman is submissive to the man.
	Is that correct, Andrew?
	That is correct, yes.
	Yeah.
	I'm saying that that would be generally what I would consider to be optimal.
	I think that the deferrence to the man is generally going to make most relationships more optimal.
	Yes.
	I mean, I agree with you.
	Kind of my...
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Um...
	I agree that it's generally true, but like she mentioned, there still are exceptions.
	Like I would consider myself, like, I want to be a provider, for example.
	Stop the cap.
	You want to be a provider?
	I do, yeah.
	For men?
	Yes.
	Who should you provide for dinner for the whatever podcast tonight?
	That would be a good way to make up for the tardiness.
	Yeah.
	Then you can be a provider.
	I mean, I want to be a provider for my guy.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, so Brian, I guess you have to be a provider for all the women tonight.
	Yeah, we are going to do a pizza intermission, but so you want to be a provider for your guy, so like you'll pay on the first date?
	Yeah, or we can split it.
	But I am in college right now, so of course I'm still working myself up.
	But I'm saying in the future, I want to be a lawyer and I want to make a career for myself.
	I don't ever see myself as being like a stay-at-home mom or like a housewife.
	And there's nothing wrong with whoever wants to do that, but that's what I'm saying.
	It varies from person to person.
	And so you want, so in every instance, when you've been on a date with a guy, perhaps for dinner or some activity, you always often, because men will have a tendency to go ahead and just pay the whole thing.
	You'll make the offer and insist on going half?
	I'll make an offer, yes.
	I'm not going to insist if they really want to do that.
	I mean, like I said, if they want to do that gesture, why would I reject it?
	But I would be willing to do that gesture as well.
	How many first dates have you been on?
	For like, I don't know, maybe like actual dates, first dates, maybe seven, eight, I don't know.
	Did you pay the whole bill on any of them?
	Yeah, in two of those.
	Two of them, and then the rest were split?
	That was like, I don't know the exact number, but I think like majority was split.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, do you want to be a provider?
	Do you want to be a provider?
	I think I tend to be someone who pursues the guy.
	Yeah.
	But I understand that some men really do love the chase and want to have that sort of provider mindset.
	And so to go back on like Andrew's stance, if a man being dominant is like the most optimal relationship and a woman being a little bit submissive, I'd say in some ways, yes.
	Women, like, they know deep down that they could provide, they could do all sorts of things.
	They're like a triple-decker.
	Give men a chance, you know, for them to like open the door for you or pay the bill.
	Let them do what makes them feel good.
	Wait, you said you chase men?
	Or what did you say exactly?
	I don't want to do that.
	I'm a pursuer, yes.
	I do chase men.
	You're the pursuer.
	Yes.
	I'm the one that usually either initiates, but there were men in the past that have initiated.
	And I'm most receptive.
	What about, can you, how does that look?
	Let me see here.
	Okay, so, and I definitely, I definitely learned from like my past relationships where I'm like, okay, maybe this is not the way to go, right?
	Man shows interest.
	Me thriving in that sort of attention is trying to pretty much commit or see and feel out how the relationship's going to go.
	If you open all of your gates, you know, open all of being super open, letting, pretty much being the provider, giving the guy everything that he wants, I feel like slowly over time he's going to question like, okay, what can I even do for you?
	Wait, hold on.
	So you said I asked you how you chase, and the first words out of your mouth were the guy shows, takes initiative.
	Yeah, for I would say like for some of the situations I've had, but the one time that I actually did pursue or several times.
	So a couple times I pursued, I was like, okay, like I obviously show interest and it'll take a couple of times for like the guy to like pick it up because some men are oblivious.
	Hold on, I need details here.
	So you say you show interest, but the men are oblivious.
	They're not picking it up.
	So what are these signs that you're giving?
	I'm obviously chatting him up.
	I'm asking Leo, what are you doing after this?
	I'm just obviously staring at them, smiling, just being actively engaged, making like side-flirting comments here and there.
	With my ex from like high school, I did chat him up and I was like, you know what?
	If I really want to, then I could get it.
	So we just started talking.
	And I never knew that he had feelings.
	So I took the initiative to ask him out or pretty much make it official.
	So that was my sense of pursuit.
	Wait, that was the one time you pursued?
	That was like with my committed.
	And then I tried to like for this for with this one guy, but he was oblivious to it.
	But then I realized I was like, I don't know, maybe, maybe not, not this guy.
	So I stopped pursuing.
	I'm just a bit confused because you say you chase, but then, I mean, maybe these guys are just totally clueless.
	You say you're making multiple moves and they're not getting a hint, but it's like, I don't know.
	It's like you look at a guy and is that you pursuing him?
	No, obviously you want to get to know the person, so you're going to be talking to them constantly and trying to get their attention from time to time.
	So yeah.
	How many first dates would you say you've been on?
	First dates?
	Let me see.
	Say like seven.
	Seven?
	Okay.
	And then in all seven of these cases, did you make first contact with the guy?
	I would say at least like two to three.
	Two, three of them I have.
	Some of the guys are not, some of the guys are not as confrontational to like make the move.
	And so I would make the move.
	And I would pursue it.
	But only for two or three of the guys you made the first step of initiative.
	That's when they become like the committed relationships that I've had in the past.
	Except for that one dude that was like, okay, I'm not feeling it.
	Wait, so a minority, you said you like to chase, but a minority of the men you've been on dates with, you, okay.
	So you approach them, how are you meeting them?
	In person?
	So definitely was in high school, so two of them were in high school.
	I would just see them in class every day, just like sit next to them, chat it up, you know?
	That's how I would pretty much like get a feel and decide whether I want to like you know be with that person.
	Have you ever approached a guy?
	A guy?
	Yeah.
	Like you've never, they're not in your social circle.
	They don't go to school with you or maybe they go to school with you, but you don't have a class with them or whatever.
	You saw him in school, thought he was good looking.
	Did you ever walk up to him and introduce yourself?
	I did, yeah.
	But this was like, I had never met him.
	But like beforehand, it was just like during like a college involvement fair.
	Thought the guy was kind of cute.
	And I wanted him to join my club.
	So me and my friend, like we went up to him, but I was like, yeah, like what's your name?
	And then we just chatted up.
	But like it was very brief because he was busy.
	Of the seven first dates that you went on, how often did you ask for the phone number or the contact info?
	Oh, that's a good question.
	None of them?
	No, I would say, let me see, let me think.
	Because it's been a long time.
	Like, I'm not going to know this on the top of my head, you know?
	It's been a long time since what?
	Like, asking for numbers for a guy.
	Usually, because for me, and I think this is how I would approach friendships too, is like, I don't think about wanting to be with a guy right away, you know?
	If he's cute, he's cute.
	But I usually want to be friends first with the person.
	And if anything, like, ever sparks, then, like, of course, I would take things a little bit further.
	But here's the thing.
	Sorry about that.
	Oh, I don't know what happened about that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And then phone number-wise, I would say like a couple of times.
	I can't really give you like a definitive number just because it's been a while.
	So it's like a passive thing that I don't like actively remember.
	Like, okay.
	I asked his number.
	Did you ask, did you plan and set up the first dates?
	These can be yes or no answers, by the way.
	Just letting you know.
	I would say I'm like, yeah, there were times where I would have to initiate like, hey, like, let's go on a date or something.
	No, no, no, no.
	First date.
	First date?
	Not a guy you've been dating for three months.
	Yeah, first date.
	First date.
	Yes.
	You planned the first date?
	Yes.
	Did you pay for the first date?
	In any instance?
	No, it was split.
	Split?
	Okay.
	You ever go for the first kiss?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just girls will say they like to chase, but then you question them a little bit and they'll say, well, I looked at a guy once and I winked at, or like, I winked at him.
	Did you go up to him?
	No.
	It's like, okay, bro, you don't chase.
	But, okay, all right.
	Let's see here.
	Hey, we're going to go to Twitch, okay?
	Let's get that pulled up.
	Sorry, guys.
	Guys, you got to go to Twitch.
	Like the video, guys.
	Like the video.
	Hit that like button.
	Go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	If you have a Prime sub, drop us a Prime sub.
	It's been 19 minutes since we last got a Prime help.
	It's Bugged Boys.
	Drop us a follow.
	Drop us a Prime sub.
	Check if your Prime's available.
	Also, go to our Discord, discord.gg/slash whatever.
	We post BTS.
	Our whole stream schedule is there.
	All hate mail, everything's in there.
	So be sure to check out the Discord.
	Thank you guys, appreciate it.
	All right, we're going to ask here.
	Gorlock, the destroyer, Stiffler's gone today, ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten.
	You can't pick seven, starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	My looks?
	Or everyone?
	Your looks.
	Yeah, you're just your own looks.
	Can you scoot into the table a little bit?
	So not seven, probably eight.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would say eight.
	Eight.
	Probably like a 6.5.
	Eight.
	Eight.
	Six and a half.
	Um, six.
	Okay, I'll give myself a five, Andrew.
	I'm a ten, for sure.
	All right.
	Wait, why are you laughing?
	You don't think that that's an objective assessment?
	You don't think I'm a ten?
	That hurts my feelings.
	Oh, you're 10.
	You're 10.
	Because I said I'm a 10?
	I mean, you're laughing like it's not true.
	You're laughing like I'm some kind of old man who just said some crazy shit.
	Hmm.
	Follow-up question on this.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years' time?
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	I would say yes.
	Okay, so you're 20 now, so better looking at 30.
	20 years' time, better looking at 40.
	Yes.
	Better looking in 30 years' time at 50?
	Yes.
	40 years' time at 60?
	Yes.
	Well, here, let's keep the camera on her, please.
	50 years' time, better looking at 70.
	Yes.
	I would say so.
	Does it just keep going until you die?
	Yes.
	You're just, you're literally the hottest the day before you die, is what you're saying.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And I just, okay.
	Okay.
	Do you take any forms of psychotic medication, anti-psychotic medication by chance?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Nothing for depression.
	I don't take any of that, no.
	Okay.
	When, you know, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, when is when's the peak?
	My peak?
	When's the peak gonna be?
	I feel like there is no peak.
	I feel like it just keeps on getting better.
	Interesting.
	Before I get into that, I'll have everybody else on the panel answer this question.
	You're 39.
	Will you be better looking in 10 years' time at 49?
	No.
	Okay.
	And then you're 39.
	Were you better looking 10 years ago at 29?
	Yeah.
	Better looking 20 years ago at 19.
	Well.
	I'm not sure to be honest.
	I mean, yes, probably from the outside attraction.
	Yes.
	Can we close the door, please?
	Okay, what about Morgan?
	10 years, yeah.
	After that, no.
	Okay, what about you?
	10 years, yeah.
	Okay, so you're 22, so better looking at 32.
	20 years' time, better looking at 42.
	I'd say so, yeah.
	Okay, and then better looking at 52, 30 years' time.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay, let's go to 40 years, better looking at 62.
	I'd say I'd be okay, yeah.
	Let me just repeat the question in case there's any confusion.
	The question is not, will you still be attractive?
	The question is, will you be more attractive in 10 years' time?
	Or 20, 30, 40 years' time.
	So you, just to be clear, a 62-year-old version of you would out-compete yourself for men.
	Yeah, depends on the situation.
	But I think no, Ben, in that case.
	Like, I wouldn't be more attractive.
	I mean, the way I'm kind of seeing things is like, I see how my parents are, and they look pretty good for their age.
	Sure, yeah, you can still be good looking when you're older.
	And so.
	That's why I'm at 10.
	Look.
	Let me ask you this.
	If we put you, how old's your mom?
	She's 60.
	We put you and your mom in a room with a hundred single men.
	No, let's just do a thousand single men between the ages of 20 and 60.
	You think you're going to have, and you can't, you don't get to talk to them.
	They just see you both, and they have to pick which one they want to date.
	Which one they think is more attractive.
	Do you win or does your mom win?
	Can I say my mom?
	I think my mom.
	I think, like, I just.
	Erroneous!
	Erroneous!
	I would think my mom because she's beautiful.
	And you're not?
	I think I am too.
	And that's why I feel like when I get to her age, I definitely will follow too.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, but yeah, if the question is more attractive when you're 60 rather than 20, I feel like it's 20.
	That's have you ever heard of a popular, it's a very popular thing that the kids are all saying online now.
	It's called cope.
	Have you ever heard the word cope?
	Yeah.
	And what does cope mean?
	To cope is to make do with like the issues.
	You have issues at hand and you try to either compensate or make do with your unfortunate, I guess, with your qualities that are unfortunate to you.
	And so in a way to like distract yourself from experiencing the emotions that come with those infrastructures.
	Do you think that most people would think, like, I'm assuming your mom's probably 20 plus years older than you, I would guess.
	Mom's 60.
	Yeah, do you, your mom's 60?
	Yeah.
	You think, I just want to make sure that we're clear.
	You think that any random guy, any, I'm not even saying age group, just any random guy would rather date your 60-year-old mother over you.
	I just want to make sure that we're clear and you're absolutely not coping here, right?
	No.
	No, so they would?
	Yeah, I would say.
	Yeah.
	And you're not full of shit?
	Nope.
	And of course, not trolling either, right?
	No.
	No.
	Okay.
	Or am I?
	I don't know.
	Are you?
	Or aren't you?
	Whoa.
	But yeah, I have to say out there, my mom is beautiful.
	So.
	Yeah, well, I mean, she must be because every man on planet Earth would much rather have her at 60 years old than you at.
	Let's see if I wrote your age down here.
	I didn't catch it.
	Is it 22?
	No.
	That's not right.
	What is your age?
	Is it 22?
	22.
	Yeah, so they would rather have 60-year-old grandma of over 22-year-old Jack.
	That's your actual stance, right?
	And she got the looks.
	Nobody cares.
	Men don't give a shit about women who can provide.
	Literally, men don't care at all about women being providers.
	They like them because they're hot.
	They don't care about...
	That's the big attraction that they have to women.
	You know what?
	They don't care about.
	I'm going to tell you all the things they don't care about.
	You ready?
	They don't care how much money you have.
	They don't give a shit.
	They don't care if you work at Starbucks.
	They don't give a shit.
	They don't care if you're a manager at a McDonald's and they're a multi-millionaire.
	They don't give a shit.
	They don't care that you're great at philosophizing.
	They don't care if you're phenomenal at logicing.
	They don't care about any of that.
	What they care about more than anything else is that you're hot.
	That's what they care about.
	So here's the hierarchy of needs.
	You ready?
	You're hot.
	And then there you go.
	There's your entire heart.
	There's the hierarchy of needs for men.
	I've just given it to you.
	Right there in a silver platter gave you the secret to life for men, right?
	It's simple.
	So I just wanted to explain that to you: that your 60-year-old mother in the dating market is likely not going to outperform you at 22 years old.
	That's pure cope.
	Okay.
	I mean, if there's an opportunity to tap, then any man would take, right?
	Are you saying if there's an opportunity to smash your mom?
	I mean, some guys would.
	I would say, I'm not sure.
	Sure, yeah, yeah, we would agree.
	Yeah, but nobody would ever disagree that some guy's some 79-year-old guy is going to tap your mom.
	Yeah, I'm sure he will.
	I'm sure he'll get his ass out of his bed and he'll go over with his walking cane and he'll really give it to her.
	But the thing is, like, what does that have to do with anything, though?
	I give you gold.
	I give you gold, and this is what I get, you know?
	Gold.
	He still has a rotary telephone.
	All right, I'm okay.
	Going to you, Irene.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yes.
	20 years' time?
	No.
	Okay.
	Better looking in 10 years' time?
	Yes.
	20 years' time?
	Probably not.
	Okay, so better looking at 32-year-old for the both of you.
	Emma?
	Better looking in 10, not at 20.
	Okay, all right.
	Okay, that was an interesting conversation.
	One quick follow-up, I suppose.
	So if I had a magic wand that I could wave for you two and you, magic wand that could age your outward physical appearance.
	So you would still, you know, obviously as you get older, you get closer to mortality, whatever.
	It would just age you outwardly.
	So your health is the exact same.
	You'll live just as long as you would otherwise live.
	But we age you to 70.
	We age you to 70.
	And you just stay that way for the rest of your life.
	You remain as, you know, looking 70 for your whole life.
	Do you take it?
	If we can wave a magic wand right now?
	Yeah, bet.
	Oh my God, you guys are arslered.
	Okay.
	Do you take it?
	I mean, you already dug the hole, right?
	I mean, you can't kind of just have to bite the bullet.
	It won't stop my game.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	It won't stop your game?
	No.
	It won't stop your game.
	You know, Brian, for situations like this, you need to get one of those aging apps for the computer and then age them forward and show them what they look like.
	You know what?
	That is a good idea.
	Wait, I'm going to have the Discord.
	I'm going to have our Discord team do it.
	So, guys, if you can, I want you and you right now.
	Look into this.
	I need you.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Scoot into the scoot this way because you're out of frame.
	Well, scoot the chair, lady.
	Scoot into the table so you're in frame.
	Okay, look into this camera right here.
	Okay.
	So guys, grab your screenshot, look into the camera, keep looking, grab your screenshots, look into the camera, hello.
	Okay.
	And now we're going to have somebody, the Discord, hopefully they'll do it.
	Put them through an aging thing.
	Make them 50 or 60.
	Yeah, that goes for the crucible too.
	And then if you guys get to it first, toss it in the whatever.
	Toss it in the whatever Discord.
	Yeah.
	If you can put it in the, those of you who are in the Discord right now, leave my research tab open.
	You're going to post it in the research tab, okay?
	So you can do that.
	I'm going to read a chat here.
	Let's see.
	We have TechnoTrooper panel.
	It seems men are staying single longer and sometimes forever.
	Is romance declining in America and why?
	What is the solution to this?
	Is romance declining in America and why?
	What is the solution to this?
	Did you guys, okay, going around the table?
	Do you think romance is declining?
	I would say it really depends on the person.
	Like, there's a lot of people that are lucky out there to have healthy and romantic relationships, where others, maybe not.
	And a solution to this would be maybe people getting out of their shell and like talking to people and going on dates.
	Is it decline, like romance, like being romantic or a couple?
	I'm not sure.
	Is chivalry dead?
	Is that what it is?
	Okay.
	And did women kill it?
	I mean, part of it, yes.
	I think so.
	I think guys are kind of scared because women did become kind of rough.
	In Quebec, like women are rough men.
	Like, it's almost like inversed.
	The worlds are reversed, and like men don't really go towards women because women just kind of like they're off.
	They're rough.
	Canadian women, I'm telling you.
	Yeah, it's tough out there.
	The Quebecois.
	Yeah, it's the poutine.
	Is it the poutine?
	You think that's what did it to the women?
	I don't think that's the poutine, but poutine did some really good things, though.
	Canadian bacon did some amazing things, I think.
	You think it's Trudeau?
	Like his fault?
	Trudeau is at fault for many, but let's not.
	But yeah, don't even talk about this.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I think, so yeah, I think part of it is like the yeah.
	Is chivalry dead?
	I think I could only like say it from a perspective.
	I feel like my scope of the dating life is probably pretty, I would say small, just because I've been in the same community for years, but I'd say it's declining.
	It's still here, but there's not a lot of men that are doing like typical chivalry things.
	So yeah, it's at a decline.
	The same community, like the Pokemon collection.
	I'm from OC, so you mean the place that's right next to LA, like the biggest metropolitan area in the country?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's tough out there in the greater metro, LA area, 10 million plus people.
	It's hard.
	It's very secluded.
	Basically in the forest out there in Orange County.
	Don't look at me that way.
	You're in the forest.
	You're in the sticks.
	No, OC's suburban.
	I know.
	I'm being sarcastic.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	You're in the rural, the rural parts of Orange County.
	Are there rural parts of Orange County?
	We're in the skies.
	Orange County is pretty, isn't it pretty Republican?
	So you're a Trump supporter, right?
	No, I don't want to disclose that because again.
	It's okay, you can do it.
	No, I don't, I need to like...
	a bernie bro no because i feel like kanye no Okay, my bad.
	Go ahead.
	No, I just feel like I need to do more research on stances before I even say anything.
	Cause who you're voting for?
	Not disclosing.
	All right, okay.
	All right.
	Is chivalry dead?
	Oh, you mean, so, okay, hang on.
	I just want to.
	So you're voting for Kamala Heroes.
	I'm not going to lie, dude.
	I think I might forget the date to vote because I tend to forget certain things.
	Awesome.
	Yes.
	That's actually good.
	I'm glad.
	But if you did know the day to vote, you'd be voting for Kamala, right?
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	If it happens, it happens.
	If it doesn't, it doesn't.
	She's going to write in Timothy Chalamet for president.
	Wait, he's British, never mind.
	And not 30.
	He's not.
	He's from New York.
	I thought he was born in England.
	I'm pretty sure he's British.
	Timothy Chalamay, I don't think so.
	Well, he's.
	Ah, okay, whatever.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Is chivalry dead?
	Well, so the question that was asked: are we like kind of grouping romance and chivalry?
	Like, sure, I guess.
	I feel that romance is on a decline, but with chivalry as well, it is declining, but it's almost, it has potential to be revived.
	It's still somewhere.
	I think.
	Yeah, I mean, it's somewhere.
	It is.
	It's gone.
	That's where it is.
	That's the somewhere that it is, is gone.
	Your thoughts, Go ahead.
	Yeah, it's definitely declining, both romance and chivalry.
	I blame social media for that and hookup culture and people feeling like they always need to put up a front.
	I think there's not a lot of authenticity left.
	And that's a problem.
	Emma, what about you?
	I think it's very well alive.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, I'm going to get through some of my notes here.
	Irene, you do the tarot cards thing.
	You describe yourself as the goddess of peace.
	So, okay, let me explain that so it's not like I'm being narcissistic or whatever.
	My name, Irene, actually, the definition of it is derived from the Greek goddess of peace.
	So I used that for my username.
	Do you consider yourself a goddess?
	I don't.
	Okay.
	And then on your TikTok, you're a Sagittarius Gemini and a Pisces, like three or whatever.
	So there's like little symbols.
	A lot of people kind of get confused.
	I guess it's not that noticeable, but it's saying I'm Sagittarius Sun, Gemini, Moon, and Pisces rising.
	That's beautiful.
	Thank you.
	I have no idea what that means.
	I can explain.
	You were on Fresh and Fit.
	Yes, we both were voting.
	You were sitting right next to Myron.
	Question, very important question.
	Did you or did you not sniff his chair when he got up?
	I did not.
	That's a lie.
	Just kidding.
	Did you guys say anything on that?
	Wait.
	what what what what what what yes you did yes you did yes you did Don't worry.
	Yes, you did.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Like, after the cameras were off, though.
	Like, you wouldn't dare let that shit be covered.
	I would never.
	But, like, you definitely.
	It's just between.
	Did it smell like the Justin Bieber fragrance, or was it more like Aqua Digio?
	Did I say that right?
	That Giorgio Armani, the one?
	It's very popular.
	Dolce Gabbano.
	More like Dolce.
	Okay, all right, just checking.
	Okay, well, chat's saying you did.
	The chat says you did.
	Okay, well, that's crazy.
	It's unanimous between two chats that you did this.
	Did you guys get into any debates on that show?
	Did you guys have any back and forths you two on that one?
	Or did you just sit there and like just there was a lot of chaos that kind of prevented us from getting a lot of people were getting really emotional and it was just you know hard to state opinions.
	But I actually been on Fresh and Fit three times.
	Three times?
	Yeah, three times.
	Oh wow, that's Patrick.
	Okay.
	Cool.
	Good times.
	Good times.
	But that specific episode, no.
	I mean, a little bit.
	We got to talk a lot about like femininity and masculinity, and we already know Myron's take on that.
	Sure.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	We'll get through the rest of the notes.
	Actually, you know what?
	Before we get into the notes, I have to bring it back to, let's see.
	I did have a question.
	What should men do when it comes to dating?
	For example, you might say men should pay for first dates, men should open the car door, men should bring you flowers, whatever it is.
	Maybe you agree with that, maybe you don't.
	But what should men do when it comes to dating?
	I would say they would have to plan dates.
	I think that's really important.
	Plan dates.
	Plan dates.
	To be a provider.
	Provider?
	Okay.
	And also, like, show like effort.
	Effort.
	Okay.
	Effort.
	And yeah, that's pretty much it.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Can we open the door?
	I don't have any.
	What?
	I don't have any shoulds per se.
	Like, I think every couple creates their own synergy, but I think, and not specific to men or, you know, I just think you need to have good communication.
	You have to be able to, I mean, minimally manage your emotions and be able to know yourself.
	And I think you should.
	Okay, I guess that's a should, but again, for men and women, you should find a way to be somewhat fulfilled with your life on an individual level before.
	I'm saying more like gendered.
	Yeah, gender roles.
	Like, I don't, I don't know.
	I don't feel entitled to anything particularly.
	Repeal the 19th amendment, donated $200.
	Ladies, you're so boring.
	Painfully boring.
	Justify your right to vote.
	Repeal the 19th.
	Well, thank you for the TTS.
	Does anybody want to respond to that?
	The right to vote?
	I mean, we're part of society.
	Or the accusations of being boring.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Yeah, we might be.
	I don't know which one to say.
	Okay.
	Bro, just come on.
	Like, come on here and then talk.
	I'd love to see you talk.
	If you happen to see the moment.
	I mean, I'm on here right now if you'd like to have that argument.
	But just so you know, I have been instructed by the powers of B not to have that argument.
	So I'm not going to, but I just want to let you know at any future date if you would like to have that argument, I'm willing to have it with you.
	All right, well, I guess back to the whole what should men do when it comes to dating?
	Yeah, like I said, I don't have any specific shoulds.
	No.
	I think like all right, what about you?
	Me, what should men do when it comes to dating?
	I think I kind of agree.
	I agree with you on that in a sense.
	Just one point of clarification: it's easier if you just say your own position instead of saying you agree.
	My position is, is like, before you get into a relationship, I feel like men should pretty much be secure with themselves first before even pursuing.
	Yeah, but you can say this about women, so I'm asking, like, what should men specifically do?
	What should men be?
	What should they do?
	So be good communicators.
	Shouldn't women also be good communicators?
	Well, it seems like a lot of these things, even in terms of like planning dates or even like giving gestures, doing a lot of things, could be things that both genders could do.
	Okay.
	But men specifically, I think they could be pretty good listeners.
	Even if they're not going to fully understand like how a woman would feel, just listening in is like pretty good.
	So there's nothing exclusive, in your view, nothing exclusive that men should do when it comes to their gender expectations and dating.
	Protector, provider, lead.
	They could protect.
	They should.
	I never.
	But should they?
	They should.
	Okay.
	I mean, if I'm your woman, then like protect me.
	I mean, you're obviously probably going to be at least at least like slightly bigger, right?
	Yeah.
	To the size that you could protect.
	I'm very small, petite.
	So you want the guy who would protect you or capable of protecting you?
	Yes.
	Okay, and men should do that.
	They should protect their girlfriend.
	Do you think men have an equal expectation on women that the woman should protect them?
	No.
	Okay, so gendered expectation then.
	What about you?
	I personally appreciate chivalry.
	So like those little things like making sure the woman is on the inside when they're driving by like the cars and opening doors, obviously.
	And of course, if the man did ask to ask or plan the date, I would appreciate them to pay for the meal or the date.
	Okay.
	You know, you said you want something that's, you know, not, doesn't apply for both genders, and I can't think about it right now because I feel like the things that I wanted to mention, like consistency and being a great communicator and just being straightforward about what you want, I think both people should be able to do that.
	Anything for you, Emma?
	I think they should wear the pants and lead.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And then let me ask you guys a question really quick here.
	So would you find fault in a woman if a woman said men should do XYZ, should do XYZ?
	So a woman says men should pay for first dates.
	Men should open car doors.
	Men should be willing to sacrifice themselves in some sort of self-defense situation.
	They should take the bullet.
	Men should take the bullet.
	Would you object if a woman said that?
	Would that be wrong of her to say that?
	That men should pay for first dates.
	Is that wrong?
	That's not wrong at all.
	No objections, okay?
	Men should be paying cooking, cleaning, taking care of kids.
	Men should?
	Ha, yeah, I get your little looks to the side.
	Oh, I just said little troll.
	Congratulations.
	Okay.
	You know, I don't know, Brian.
	I don't know if you can let them off the hook.
	Trolling.
	Sealing my skin from boredom donated $200.
	These girls have the personality of a sex doll.
	I mean, it would be helpful with the flow of the conversation if you simply answered the question in good faith.
	So, I mean, is that actually your position, or are you just going to cop to the troll?
	I would say women are allowed to say, like, oh, like, for men to pay for dates and stuff like that.
	Okay, so are you walking back the men should cook and clean and take care of the household?
	Or?
	No, I was just kidding.
	I was just kidding.
	Okay, all right.
	Yeah, they're allowed to want that.
	Anybody's allowed to want whatever they want.
	So no quarrel.
	No quarrel with men should do everything.
	If that's what it's, if they want that, if that's the yeah, if that's what they want, and then they have, they create that relationship and they have, they offer each other kind of that complimentary thing.
	Like, yeah.
	Any issue with a woman saying men should do this?
	Men should pay for first dates?
	Is that wrong?
	Up to that, I would say, like, if she wants it, then she can have it that way.
	But same goes for men, too.
	Men could be like met, women should be submissive, or women should be, in this sense, you could think however you want to think.
	It's based on like what you want.
	So I'm not really going to like say no.
	You can't have this.
	Technotrooper donated $200.
	Ladies, would your parents be okay with you dating a guy that comes from a broken home?
	I like boring, it's peaceful.
	Technotrooper, thank you for the TTS.
	Just show of hands.
	Would your parents be okay with you dating a guy that comes from a broken home?
	Show of hands.
	I mean.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There you have your answer.
	Thank you, Technotrooper, for the TTS.
	Any objections to women saying men should do men should pay for first aids?
	I believe it's wrong under the circumstance that the woman who's stating that is not offering anything to the table either.
	Well, maybe she is.
	Then, no, I don't believe it's wrong.
	Okay.
	Yeah, if that works for both of them, you know, if it's communicated and this is their preferences and it works, then yeah, there's nothing wrong.
	Emma, what about you?
	No objection.
	No objections.
	Okay, and then just my one follow-up to this is: is it wrong if a man says women should be submissive, women should stay at home and take care of the kids, women should cook, women should clean?
	Is that sexist?
	Honestly, I would prefer it that way.
	I'll be able to cook and clean and then do everything.
	I don't think it's wrong, but I always wonder what you mean exactly when you say submissive.
	And I think a lot of women have trouble with that word.
	I don't particularly, but I never know what it means exactly because I think sometimes women hear like you need to shut up and do nothing and have no opinion and just say yes to everything.
	Wait, luckily, you're asking the exact right.
	Well, okay, go ahead, Brian.
	Sorry.
	Just before, I'll let you get to that, but I want to just get the panelist's answer on that.
	So, of the things I listed, if a man says you should do all those things, sexist?
	It's just a matter of preference.
	I don't think it's like innately wrong to have like a preference or to feel and think the way you feel.
	Hopefully, that person could find the person that agrees with those thoughts as well.
	You should be a politician.
	What about you?
	No.
	All right.
	That wouldn't be for me, that person, but there's nothing wrong with that.
	Again, it's all about preferences.
	I think it's fair to say.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Andrew, do you want to have the exchange about the being submissive thing?
	Yeah, well, I just wanted to clarify what it means.
	It just means you do what you're told.
	Yeah.
	That's what it means.
	No matter what.
	Well, no, I mean, it has to sync up with reason.
	So you do what you're told within reason.
	But the thing is, is that quantifying reason, this is why, this is why when I talk about kind of whenever you have two different consciousnesses which come into contact, one's basically necessarily always going to dominate the other.
	In this case, I do think that men do tend to dominate relationships.
	And I even think that that's a good thing.
	Not only do I not think that's a bad thing, I think that that's how things ought to be.
	But you don't want negotiations?
	Like you don't think that you don't want to.
	Do generals want to negotiate with colonels?
	I don't know.
	But does that mean that you want that in your relationship?
	I mean, the answer is no.
	So like I think, I think that if it you can have tons of objections or needs or things that you want from a submissive role that you can ask for and get, right?
	Between two different individuals.
	This can be a business relationship.
	This can be anything, not just a relationship.
	You can have two people who are in these roles, and one who's in the submissive role can request things within the confines of reason, and usually those things will be granted.
	The thing that happens, though, is that inside relationships, eventually two people come to an impasse.
	Who do we defer to?
	Well, that's the thing.
	I feel like there is so, let's say you have a discussion, then it's like, for me, it's like the best idea.
	Should it win?
	Yeah, but who gets to make the determination as to what the best idea is?
	Well, both of them.
	So what happens when you have an impasse, and it's kind of very pretentious, in fact, when people say, oh, I want a person who we're never going to have an impasse, or we're never going to have a, I think this is the way, and he thinks this is the way, or vice versa.
	That's every relationship that you're ever going to be in.
	There's going to be an impasse which comes up.
	Question is, who gets deferred to?
	So you think everything is within the confines of what should be and so does he, right?
	Who gets deferred to?
	Yeah, I think.
	When you say, well, those with the best idea, it's like, well, who gets to determine that?
	Well, that's always in the discussion.
	I think if you have a discussion with someone, then you both are like that.
	You have to get the discussion.
	You think you're right.
	And he thinks he's right.
	Yeah, well, then you, yeah, you.
	I don't think because you're the man, you, it, yeah, no, I don't believe that because you're the man, you automatically have the best idea or the best.
	Well, somebody's got to be the tiebreaker, especially when there's kids involved, right?
	Somebody has to be a tiebreaker, especially when there's kids involved.
	You can't be at a perpetual impasse when it comes to your children's welfare, for instance, right?
	Somebody has to be deferred to.
	So the question is, who gets deferred to?
	This is the great question, by the way, of the 21st century.
	And this is the question feminism cannot answer.
	We must have children.
	And in order to have children, we're going to have to have men and women sleeping together.
	And in order to have good results with those children, usually those couples need to stay together long term, right?
	Or you're probably going to have bad results with the children.
	Every study on planet Earth confirms this.
	So what happens when we're inside of these relationships and feminism has taught you to be a strong, empowered, awesome, epic woman, boss babe in tight leather who can take down 300-pound men with machine guns with nothing more than your 120-pound ninjutsu.
	And you end up in an impasse, right?
	You end up in an impasse with your husband.
	Now, this used to be codified into law.
	And so the codification in the law was, well, there's an impasse.
	You're going to have to defer to the husband.
	And now that's no longer law.
	And so now we end up in these, well, we can't make the decision because neither party will back down.
	So how do we solve that is kind of the great question in modernity.
	Yeah, I mean, I just feel like two grown-ups will naturally figure it out together, not just because you choose.
	You know, I don't think it goes that way.
	I think naturally, like both people, you come up, you will come up with like two people can't decide on gun control.
	No, but like you can't come outside on where they want to go eat together.
	They can't decide.
	The whole country's polarized 50-50 on abortion.
	Like we can't agree on basic things.
	You think inside of relationships, though, somehow it's going to just naturally occur?
	Like isn't that kind of pie in the sky, you know, kind of silly thing in a way?
	No, I think sometimes like because you trust your partner and you're like, you know what?
	Okay, we're going to try your way.
	And then another impasse is going to be, okay, let's try, we're going to try it the other way.
	Like, it's not that.
	That requires a concession.
	That requires a concession.
	We'll try it your way.
	Yeah, but I think the concession is sometimes going to be from the woman.
	Sometimes the concession is going to be from the men.
	Okay, but here's the thing, right?
	Yeah.
	So it used to be codified into law that when there was an impasse, it deferred to the man.
	It's no longer codified into the law anymore that it's deferred to the man.
	You would agree with me that's true, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so when we have these great impases, what happens when neither party backs down?
	Well, I just think at some point one party will back down.
	It just naturally happens.
	No, like.
	They don't.
	You see nothing.
	But people don't.
	Divorce rates are sky high.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Out of wedlock relationships are sky high.
	People don't even want to take the risk because of this idea that one party's not going to back down.
	Inside of religious cultures, of course, there's a deference to the man.
	And you tend to see the more religious a person is, the less they get divorced.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Because there's this tiebreaker, right?
	There's this, when we hit this impasse, we now have somebody who's deferred to.
	And both people from the religious perspective agree that that deference is going to go towards the man.
	But where feminism's one of their greatest failures has come in is inside of relationships.
	If we're both equal, who gets to be the decider when we have a situation where we can't decide?
	But I think it changes.
	That's what I mean.
	I think like it's, it's, if you can't figure it out together, and if you don't, it doesn't go one way or the other, like sometimes one way, sometimes the other way, then yeah, maybe you're just incompatible and you should meet together.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I'm going to reject a couple things here outright.
	You're not incompatible with somebody because you can't agree on an issue and neither one of you will back down.
	That actually does not assume that you're incompatible with each other.
	That could have issues of pride together.
	It could be all sorts of issues which are inside of that relationship that actually have nothing to do with the fact that one of you is actually right and one of you is wrong.
	But if you would agree, and maybe you don't, but if you did agree that we should defer to kind of reason logic first, I would think that most people would agree the sex that has that mostly dominated is men.
	Not that there's not irrational men, there are, or overly emotional men.
	Of course, there are.
	But generally speaking, I would say that they're much more rational and logical than women are.
	Why shouldn't you defer to men?
	Like, what does that cost women exactly in a relationship to just back down on their pride and defer to the man?
	What does that really cost them?
	Well, I just can't assume that because you're a dude, you will have the best idea.
	So you know what I mean?
	I just don't see how you can't assume that because of gender.
	Yeah, so then you are agreeing that you make bad choices when it comes to picking men?
	Everybody makes.
	Oh, me personally, if I make bad choices.
	Well, I mean, not you personally.
	I'm just saying women, then women would have to concede that they're making bad choices when it comes to picking men.
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	If that is the case, that when they pick the man, somehow they can't defer to his leadership, and they have to defer to their own, it seems like they're picking very bad men, right?
	Yeah, and I think the opposite happens too.
	I think some men pick really bad women too.
	But yes.
	Well, I think that I would say it's necessarily a trait that if you have a woman who refuses to submit to your leadership, she's a bad woman, no matter what.
	I would say that that's always bad, that she's always doing the wrong thing in that case.
	As long as what you're asking her to do comports with reason, I have no idea what the objection would ever be.
	You're making a bit of a face.
	It looks like maybe you disagree with Andrew.
	In some aspects, I do disagree on certain things.
	For instance, let me see here.
	Like, I don't think that just because you're a dude, like, we would have to submit to pretty much your decisions.
	You have to now.
	No, we don't.
	And I want to say that.
	No, you do.
	So listen.
	I want to explain a concept to you real quick, and then you can respond.
	Yeah.
	Do you know what force doctrine is?
	Do you understand what that means?
	Say one more time.
	Force doctrine.
	No.
	Well, the idea here is essentially that all rights which are granted on planet Earth are granted by men.
	And the way that we know that all rights are granted by men is because we can look not only at the historic standard, but currently right now in modern year, and we can see that every nation on planet Earth, if the men decide that women have no rights, they don't have any.
	And the men do.
	And so essentially what happens is women are living based around the benevolence of men who can at any time of their choosing snatch their rights away and there is zero recourse that women have for this.
	And so I wanted to explain this to you as we go through kind of what I'm going to consider to be a preamble for your feminist monologue about how, wait a second, we're equal.
	That's an illusion.
	There is no equality and there's never been equality at any time, any time, and this is the standard globally.
	Men can take the rights away from women and women can't do anything about it.
	But the opposite is not true.
	Andrew, can you do a can you specify that you're making a risk?
	I'm not saying it should be that way.
	He's not trying to understand that I'm not saying we should do that.
	I'm just expressing to you the concept that this is the way things actually are.
	And I can point to you dozens upon dozens of nations where that is the case right now.
	Not that it should be that way, but that it is.
	It is the case that women get their rights from men.
	Otherwise, I don't understand where else they would get them from, because a right to me is just something which can be enforced, right?
	Well, there was no question, sir.
	Well, no, I was...
	I was actually going to let her dive into what she was going to say.
	I just wanted to give her the preamble so that she understood, she understood my worldview.
	She understood where I was coming from.
	Yeah, I do see where you're coming from.
	And I feel like, or I know, like, the Women's March and just like instances where I feel like women have tried to, or like fought for their rights.
	Foul with what?
	It is a matter of.
	Wouldn't they fight with bad language?
	Oh, please.
	We want our rights.
	I mean, honestly, what do you think women fought with?
	What do you think they fought with?
	You think they went and like took their broom handles and went and beat the men over the head with them?
	They whined in the streets.
	They didn't fight.
	There was no fighting.
	They didn't fight for nothing.
	The act.
	I mean, that's the truth, right?
	The act of the march is to pretty much promote the rights of women.
	And I feel like in order for that to push forward, it was through the recognition of men that also have supported those rights as well.
	it was a joint effort it's not just simply oh no I agree with that I agree that it's a joint effort.
	That's why.
	That's actually to my point.
	But what happens if men decide it's no longer a joint effort and they decide tomorrow, you know what?
	Women don't have any rights.
	What happens to women's rights, then?
	Guess we'll...
	Like, let's say a million women were marching in the streets for their rights, and men went, no.
	You get nothing.
	What would...
	What could women actually do about that?
	Good question.
	That is a good question.
	I feel like in that sense, we'll never truly never know unless it actually happens, right?
	Oh, no, no.
	It actually has happened more times than you can count.
	And it's happening right this second in dozens of countries where men say, okay, all you women, you're second-class citizens, and you can't do it.
	And you know what they do?
	Nothing.
	They can't do anything about it.
	It is hard to seek asylum in different countries, I feel.
	And it takes.
	Yeah, but what if the globe did it?
	What if the men of the globe just went, nah, women, second-class citizens?
	Men decided that.
	Women could never make such a decision.
	If women collectively tomorrow said, all men are second-class citizens, we would laugh.
	They could never enforce it.
	How would they ever enforce that?
	They couldn't do it.
	Only men can do that, right?
	That is a good food for thought, I suppose, yeah.
	Yeah, well, so this is the thing, right?
	Is What I'd say, what I'm doing is I'm taking the macro, like the big picture, and I'm looking at it through the idea of force.
	And then I put it into the micro, too.
	And so I think in the micro, men are expected to protect their women, to protect their household, and lay down their lives before their women are expected to lay down their lives.
	So on the micro, they're expected to grant women's rights and protect them, and on the macro, they're expected to do the same.
	But I think that it's always been the expectation that women defer to men because of that sacrifice.
	That's what I think feminism has destroyed, is that idea.
	I see what you mean.
	That's all.
	That's all I was saying.
	One sec.
	I'm trying to arrange a little pizza.
	Here.
	Getting a little pizza going.
	Over to Rachel.
	We were having a nice little discussion there.
	What are your thoughts there?
	Yeah.
	I know.
	I understand what you mean.
	Like, I get it.
	And I also agree with what you just said.
	Because, I mean, it's not even agree to disagree.
	It is a fact.
	It's just the case.
	It's just the case.
	I mean, unless you think about like a super sneaky organization of women getting guns.
	And even then, like, I wouldn't know because then the army is full of, you know what I mean?
	I don't know.
	We went there.
	Yeah, men are always in the key position.
	Yeah, you know, like at the same time.
	Let's see how, I mean, what kind of organization.
	But so I get it.
	But still, still on their, no, but it's still on their relationship level.
	Even though I understand the, but I still have an object.
	But I still know, yeah, because I still feel like I like, okay, I would trust my men so that it's like I wouldn't like submit to his final decision necessarily because he's just a man, but because I trust him.
	And I'd be like, okay, like, you, we're not going my way.
	Like, he's not, you know, I would probably, yeah, I would be like, because I trust him.
	And then I would be, let's do that.
	And then we see that it's not the right thing to do.
	Then we, well, I don't know.
	We can have another discussion like later.
	I've heard this many, many times.
	I think it's a good point to say, I want to be able to trust the person I'm submitting to, of course, right?
	Yeah.
	But I want you to think about this, right?
	The situation.
	Basically, every man you're ever going to be with, pound for pound, might as well be a gorilla.
	At any given time, if they so chose, they could literally rip you to pieces if they wanted to, and they don't.
	They don't.
	They could, but they don't.
	Why doesn't that ever make women trust men a little bit more?
	That the fact of the matter is, is that they really could do that, and they just don't do that.
	But I mean, the physical, the fact that the man is stronger physically doesn't change the fact that if I realize you're very messed up in your head and you are irrational and stupid and you are like your decision or whatever you want.
	In the animal kingdom, do women get a choice?
	Only in this one.
	But yeah, because humans are different.
	What's that?
	Well, humans are different than the animal kingdom.
	Well, we're animals.
	Yes, but we have consciousness, and I thought that that changes everything.
	Well, we just have the ability to use reason, right?
	And animals don't have that ability.
	Yeah.
	And so through pure reason, which is a thing which, by the way, is pioneered by males exclusively almost, right?
	There's almost no great philosophers who are females.
	And it's not because they were barred from it.
	It's just because they just weren't interested in it.
	They had a different interest in what it is that they wanted to do.
	Though there were a few.
	There were a few good philosophers who were women, especially there's some saints I could point to who were pretty good at it too.
	But it's through reason alone that men have pioneered this idea of rights, protections for women, things like this.
	But they never actually had to do it, right?
	They donated $200.
	I appreciate that these ladies seem to be open-minded about what Andrew is saying.
	It's hard to argue with, but some do anyway.
	But don't be mistaken, ladies.
	Men very much appreciate you.
	Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing, right?
	It's not an attack on women to try to get them to understand the bigger picture.
	Imagine you're inside of a society where everything is essentially built for you.
	Everything is built for you.
	Everything is built and tailored around the comfort of the people who are in that society.
	All the wires and all the wiring and all the electricity and all the tape.
	Everything that you enjoy essentially is built underneath the guise of patriarchy with the illusion, a female illusion of equality.
	And that equality doesn't really exist.
	It's never really existed.
	And the thing is, is that that's a great gift of benevolence that men give to women.
	And women just kind of sneer at it.
	And it's always been bizarre to me because it's so obvious to any man who looks at it.
	Well, if they wanted to, if we decided tomorrow to be lions, right?
	Women are going to do what they, and the reason we can demonstrate that that's true is because we can look at the entire world other than the West and see that that is the case almost everywhere but here.
	I do have an update.
	We got the old photos.
	Yo, Craze, thank you for the gifted 20 subs, man.
	So we have old photos for her.
	We got a lot.
	Got a lot.
	It would have been good if we did like a side-by-side.
	I should have specified like do side-by-side comparison.
	But whatever.
	Let's pull them up.
	Let's see what we have here.
	So yeah, way harder.
	Wait, actually.
	Dude, you look hella fun.
	Can we show Andrew here?
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, I thought there was.
	Did we delete it?
	Oh, maybe it's on the video tab.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's just hear.
	Let's just X out of it.
	Is that you?
	So fun.
	That's so fun.
	All right.
	Scroll down.
	I look like I can make it.
	Oh, no.
	All right.
	That's actually pretty good.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Pull that last one up, Brian.
	Pull that last one up.
	Okay, is this Rachel at 60?
	That's me.
	Oh, wait.
	That's me that look oh, but she didn't I know No, I wasn't part of the.
	Yeah, she's not.
	Oh, my God.
	But she looks better than the other one did at 60.
	Wait, wait, go back, go back.
	Okay, let's just get through it quick if we can.
	Oh, my God.
	They gave her a mustache.
	What the fuck?
	It looks like they gave her like an old mustache.
	Damn.
	I look like a woman.
	Wait, look at you.
	Look into this camera.
	Look into this camera.
	Wait, go.
	Oh, the one below is like.
	Better looking?
	Hmm?
	Better looking, bro.
	Tell us the lie, Trollte.
	They were not answering the question.
	That's an obvious one, though.
	All right.
	Let's keep going.
	Yeah, there was a.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, come on.
	That's good.
	Come on.
	That's a banger.
	The geriatrics and the walkers are going to be able to give enough to you.
	The 20-year-olds will be lining up at the door, too, though, right?
	100%.
	Hell yeah.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Ridiculous.
	All right, let's see.
	Oh, that's you.
	Oh, my God.
	That's good.
	Put it back.
	That was too good.
	Damn.
	That's so cute.
	Hard hit.
	I mean, all right, next.
	It's funny.
	Is this really good food?
	Let's see here.
	We got.
	Well, who got Andrew at 60?
	We got Andrew at 60?
	Oh, I like this.
	He said, this is so good.
	Like, well done.
	No, honestly, whoever edit that, like, that's pretty good.
	Very impressive.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	What do we got?
	This is.
	Thank you for the before and after, by the way.
	Damn.
	This is so good.
	Why do you got a lazy eye all of a sudden, though?
	All of a sudden, 60.
	She got the lazy eye, you know?
	She'd be looking in two different directions.
	Well, things start moving, you know.
	Yeah, you know, one...
	Wow.
	Okay, can we get a show of hands of those of you who said that you would be hotter as you get older?
	Would you revise your answer now?
	Show of hands if you would revise your answer.
	They're committed.
	I don't know, dude.
	I could make some really good pho.
	Right?
	Yes.
	She would make really good pho.
	I would make really good pho, bruh.
	Yeah.
	Oh, me so horny.
	Me love you long time.
	She makes good pho.
	Now, I just want to make sure that we got this answer, though, correct.
	Brian did ask you both if you could be cosmetically altered so that you look like that right this second, but it took no time off your life.
	You both said that you would, and you still would commit to that?
	Because if that is the case, right?
	The crucible will, in fact, raise the cash to have you surgically altered to look like that.
	I promise we will do that.
	So go ahead.
	I will chip in.
	If you're willing to do that, and whatever pop guy is going to chip in, if you would be surgically altered to look like your 70-year-old self, go ahead and raise your hand.
	I love this idea, Andrew.
	I will equally contribute.
	Anyone.
	Brian will equally contribute.
	We will say that you are surgically altered to look like your 70-year-old self.
	Raise your hand if you want us to do that.
	Also, Andrew, if I can just, I think to sweeten up the deal, we're not going to send you to Turkey.
	We're going to send you, we're going to keep you local.
	We're going to get you the best plastic surgeon.
	Best plastic surgeon.
	Hollywood, Hollywood plastic surgeon.
	If you prefer South Korea, they're pretty good.
	We can't do that.
	I have a couple of millionaire chatters who are like, consider it done.
	We'll just take care of it right this second.
	If you're willing to take the commitment all the way to, yes, I would be hotter at 70, and it won't shave a day off my life, and it won't.
	Go ahead and tell us, and we'll take care of that.
	Raise of hands if you're going to do that.
	Yeah, bet.
	I would.
	I would.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Are you doing anything like that?
	That's a legally binding contract, by the way.
	So we will sue you if you don't do it.
	Just saying.
	Draft up.
	Draft it up, boys.
	Draft it up.
	Such a liar, too.
	Like, why just keep with the cope and the lie bullshit, right?
	Like, you got caught.
	You know, you're trolling.
	You know, you're lying through your teeth.
	You're not going to do the surgery to look like that, lady.
	Come on.
	Unreal.
	I'm just saying.
	What's that word cope mean?
	What's that?
	You're just saying what?
	You're just saying what?
	I'll let time do its thing.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Yeah.
	I just personally would not want to.
	Wait, Andrew, I have a simpler idea.
	No, hold on.
	I think the plastic surgery, because the women, when it comes to this plastic surgery thing, will argue: well, hold on.
	When it comes to plastic surgery, there's a risk to your health anytime you go under anesthesia.
	Hollywood has makeup that without the use of plastic surgery, that's very convincing.
	So, how about for how do we do this?
	We will fund their makeup expenses, and for the next 10 years, we will provide them for makeup, provide you for the makeup.
	One year.
	I'll just do it for one year.
	We'll provide the cost.
	Every single day, the makeup artist will come in and get you all dialed up as your 70-year-old self, and you can go out to nightclubs, and you can, you can, man, you can do it up, Granny.
	Yeah, maybe, wait, we could get a prosthetic, one of those prosthetic faces, like the face mask.
	They're very convincing.
	So you don't have to pay a dime.
	Not a dime.
	Not a dumb.
	No surgery.
	No surgery.
	We'll take care of it.
	All right, we'll talk after the show.
	Yeah.
	We'll get it set up.
	Yeah.
	By the way, I did want to let you know, though, there has been a social experiment where this was done, and the woman did, sadly, take her own life after just six months of this experiment.
	Another experiment was done where a woman dressed as a man, and sadly that woman also took her life after a very short amount of time.
	So I did want to let you know about the risk, but don't worry.
	It's not going to take a single day off your life and you're going to be way hotter, right?
	Oh, Andrew, are you talking about Nora Vincent?
	I think that's...
	Yeah, well, that's the second example.
	The second example.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Look, you guys got to put your money where your mouth is.
	Got to do it.
	Got to do it.
	You got to do it.
	You don't do it.
	In fact, I feel like the entire internet will help contribute to that just to watch what happens.
	We need after a week when you're on your knees crying and go, oh my God, I can't believe how awful this is.
	I think they will.
	We got to do this experiment.
	We got to do it.
	And if these two girls, if they back out because they're scared, no offense.
	This is open not just to you.
	We'll do it for somebody else.
	We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll do it.
	By the way, over to the whatever chat.
	Can you put a one in the chat if any of these women looked better at 60 and a two in the chat if they didn't?
	And then, Brian, if you don't mind bringing up the chat so that these delusional bimbos can see for themselves, I would appreciate it.
	That's a lot of twos.
	That, that, that, that, that, yeah, that's a lot of twos, man.
	Oh, wait.
	Also, chat.
	I think that's a really good.
	Do you guys want to see us do that every show?
	We can do that every single show.
	So, those of you in the Discord, that's going to be our new thing.
	We're going to do it every single show.
	Do if you guys do do it, though, do like the before and after.
	Like the pre.
	Can you put, by the way, did any more submissions?
	No.
	That was the last one?
	Okay.
	All right.
	We'll do that.
	I think it's a good segment.
	We'll add to it.
	I do have a going back to the being submissive conversation.
	I want to show Bow video version one before I show Bow video version two.
	And I want you guys to react to this.
	Go ahead if you can pull up version one.
	Hmm.
	Oh.
	Boom.
	Yep.
	I kind of missed it.
	Was it?
	Did it?
	No.
	Did we miss it?
	No.
	Boom.
	Huge bow.
	Huge bow.
	This is actually my ex-girlfriend.
	We broke up.
	Unfortunately, she wasn't doing enough for me.
	So I have very high standards.
	Yeah, this is my ex-girlfriend.
	This is at my apartment.
	She was doing good.
	I mean, she wasn't perfect, but she tried her best.
	I'm a fan of noodles.
	Could you close the door?
	So one more time, just so the bow really quick.
	The bow just hit it.
	Boom, huge bow.
	Okay.
	Would you bow for your man?
	I would.
	Because I feel like in Asian culture, it's just a respectful thing.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Would you do it?
	Are you going to bow?
	I guess if that was my culture, but no.
	All right.
	Would you do a bow for your boyfriend or whatever?
	I'm Asian, and I would not bow for my boyfriend.
	But may I?
	You would not bow.
	But if it's like, yeah, like, but like, again, it's not something that I would have to do in my culture to bow to like my significant other.
	That would be for my elders.
	No, but he asked for it.
	You wouldn't do it.
	Okay.
	You had something?
	Because, yeah, bowing is up.
	But I love welcoming my boyfriend.
	Like, because I get excited for him to come home.
	And I would, like, so bowing just feels weird, but I would be like, I often just jump on, I don't know.
	Just hit him.
	You would do it.
	You'd hit the bow.
	I wouldn't do the bow, but that would be my bow, I would say.
	Like, because to me, that's like the welcome.
	He asks for the bow.
	Oh.
	He asks you to bow.
	I don't know.
	That's fucking weird.
	If it's not our culture, that's kind of weird.
	I don't think that would.
	I mean, I think it would be a joke.
	He's a fucking ginger.
	He's a ginger.
	And he wants you to hit the bow.
	I mean, that's a very irrealistic.
	What do you mean, bro?
	Because he's a ginger.
	What's wrong with?
	Hold on.
	They fucking bow.
	Scottish.
	I mean, it would be nice.
	I see this just as a sarcastic thing, then, like, I probably would do it because that thing would be awesome.
	Okay, would you mind if I just gave you briefly a bit of pushback?
	Wait, wait, really quick before the pushback, let me just get the answers from the girls.
	Would you bow for your man?
	No.
	No way.
	Really quick, why?
	I feel like it has to be equally yoked in a relationship.
	And the bow, I feel it's almost giving them more respect than they give me in return.
	Wait, remind me.
	Did you say you want a man to pay for the first date?
	If he does initiate the plans, yes.
	Do you initiate plans?
	No.
	Oh, you're not equally yoked then, are you?
	But I'm actually more comfortable in my submissive energy.
	I don't initiate plans.
	Wait, so you're more comfortable in your submissive energy?
	Then why wouldn't you bow?
	Yeah.
	Your dominant boyfriend says, I want you to bow every single time I come through the door.
	So for me, submissiveness is very different from what traditional people are.
	Yeah, because submissiveness to you means equality, right?
	So I feel that everyone contributes different things.
	And for me, I would want a more assertive, dominant boyfriend.
	And by that, I mean someone who's more decisive, who's willing to take the lead when it comes to logical things.
	Yeah, let's get to the butt.
	Let's get to the butt.
	But.
	No, I just bowing to your significant other is not what's culturally acceptable.
	It's not what people.
	Why do you defer to things culturally acceptable?
	First of all, inside of the United States, it's culturally acceptable for a woman to shove a pineapple up her vagina on a screen for money.
	What?
	And you're worried about the cultural acceptability of a fucking bow?
	Can you square that for me real quick?
	I just thought this was in relation to culture.
	However, I just feel that that's not something that I'm comfortable with doing because I'm used to greeting my elders with bows, but not my significant partner.
	Yeah, okay, so this doesn't really answer to the question that I asked you.
	You said that it's not culturally acceptable, but it is culturally acceptable first and foremost.
	There's nothing culturally prohibiting anybody from bowing in the United States.
	And bows have been something which has been done at deference since early colonial times, in fact.
	Now, right now, in modernity, there's nothing I can think of which isn't culturally acceptable.
	It's culturally acceptable for men to put on strap-ons and walk down the streets during certain parades.
	And yet, somehow, this, the idea that culture somehow is the prohibition, that's insane to me.
	What is not permitted here, in fact?
	I can't even think of one thing that every perversion I can think of is permitted.
	How could that be a barrier for entry to you bowing?
	So, when I said culturally acceptable, I did misspeak because I was going to get at the point that as someone who is Asian, I do, it's a part of my culture for us to bow to elders.
	And in relation to that, I'm more used to how it's done culturally.
	And I just do not see how it's related to like relationships.
	And I don't think I owe them that bow, even if they were to ask that.
	Wait, may I jump?
	Sorry, go ahead, Andrew, if you want to continue.
	No, no, no, you can jump in.
	Oh, okay.
	Question: Do you want to get married one day?
	I do.
	Okay.
	Do you have any expectations on your boyfriend or whatever at the time?
	You want him to get you a ring, I'm assuming?
	How much should he spend on the ring?
	It doesn't matter for me.
	You're fine with a cubic zirconia from Amazon?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Do you want him when he proposes, or would you have an expectation that he get down on one knee to do it?
	Yes, because I do like some traditional values.
	Wait, so hold on.
	You want a man, by the way, I think getting down on one knee is way more of a bitch move than staying standing and just going like this.
	First off, if the guy's got bad knees, that's a big fucking ask.
	But you want a guy to kneel for you, get down, look up at you like a little bitch.
	Here's $3,000.
	Here, I got the fucking right here.
	Um, please, please, will you marry me?
	Fuck that shit.
	I still think it's way better to just bring up the example that most women will get on their knees and allow a dude to jizz on their face.
	That was kneeling.
	Yes.
	That's way more degrading than do it than a fucking bow.
	I'm just saying, like, that's way more degrading than a fucking bow.
	What do you want me to say?
	Andrew, I was just getting to that.
	So have you ever given, have you ever s the D?
	Have you ever S the D?
	I don't feel like I want to share those kinds of things.
	Okay, she's, oh my God, heaven forbid a woman gives a blow job in 2024.
	Oh my God.
	A blow job?
	What?
	1800s?
	Oh, no.
	Okay.
	Fine, you don't do it.
	But the same woman, the same woman that says I would never bow for a man will suck a guy's dick within 30 minutes of meeting him.
	That's a fact.
	I don't know what I'm.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	That's what he's doing.
	That's why he's the goat.
	it's also coming from what is the intention behind him wanting me to bow to greet him every day What is the intention of him wanting you to insert his phallus into your mouth and then expel some fucking jizz, bro?
	Bro, it's crazy to me, bro.
	These girls will suck a dick.
	They don't want to hit a bow, huh?
	Hold on.
	Huh?
	Hmm?
	Well, I mean, you're talking to her.
	She's not that.
	You're talking about.
	I don't think it's most women, anyways.
	Wait, you're saying she hasn't.
	No, but like she doesn't necessarily.
	You said like within half an hour, you would just like go with the guy and like as the D, but then wouldn't want to bow.
	She did that.
	Yeah.
	But I'm saying like.
	Some girl.
	You ever had a one-night stand?
	I have.
	How many?
	Oh my gosh.
	I would say two.
	Two, do, do.
	Sorry, how many?
	Two, do.
	Two.
	Like, so how quick?
	Like, how quick?
	What do you mean?
	From like meeting them to maybe a couple to several hours.
	So you'll let a man penetrate you.
	I just don't see how those are.
	They correlate to me because sexual, the sexualness of everything doesn't correlate to what I find respectful.
	Because I don't think that having sexual relationships with someone equates like what your values should be in a relationship.
	I think you're allowed to have those opinions be nuanced.
	I just don't understand.
	Like there's so there's this objection to well, I wouldn't.
	Well, I get it though, Brian.
	Okay.
	I understand.
	Look, you're totally right.
	It's perfectly acceptable for you to have nuanced needs inside a relationship.
	I can totally understand, my logical, reasonable brain, that you could enter into a one-night stand with a guy, a little blast load all over your face, but not want to bow to the man of your dreams, right?
	I mean, what man wouldn't want that out of his woman?
	Honestly.
	I mean, I don't even know what you're arguing with here, Brian.
	She's absolutely right.
	I just don't get it.
	I don't get it.
	Goat donated $200.
	She's going to swallow Bataint Gunabo.
	How do you like my nuance?
	Thank you, GOAT.
	I appreciate GOAT emojis in the chat for GOAT.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the TTS.
	Look, I just don't get it.
	Like, you'll do all this for a guy.
	And maybe it's quirky.
	Maybe it's unorthodox.
	Maybe it's a little out there.
	But if you like this guy, and he's got this, like, quirk or whatever, and he's like, hey, I want to see you hit the bow when you greet me.
	You don't even have to do that shit in public because that might be a bit embarrassing.
	You should still do it, but whatever.
	And he's like, yo, I just, I want the bow.
	You're not going to do that for your man?
	Would you bow for your woman?
	You're not going to do that for your man.
	No.
	The love of your life, he's perfect.
	He ain't going to bow for no fucking woman.
	What are you talking about?
	I wouldn't ask you.
	Why would any guy ever bow for a woman?
	Wait, wait, wait, question.
	He's fucking perfect.
	He's your perfect guy, but he's got this one, in your view, red flag.
	But he's perfect.
	And he'll never cheat on you.
	And he's awesome in all the ways you'd like a man to be awesome.
	But he wants you to bow.
	Do you pass him up?
	I do.
	That is the most R-slurred shit I have ever fucking heard.
	I'm you perfect.
	But he wants you to bow and you're submissive.
	What else are you not going to do for him then?
	I don't see how that makes me aware because I have certain expectations when it comes to relationships and there are certain things that I won't compromise on.
	Such as being submissive.
	I don't think that you making someone bow and them disagreeing with it makes you not submissive.
	Submissive, just because you're submissive does not mean that you lack respect for yourself.
	Wait, so you would bow to other people though?
	Yes, that's my question.
	Can I ask you a question?
	You want to work a job, right?
	You want to have a job, a career.
	Well, maybe not a traditional job.
	I do want to become like an entrepreneur.
	And so if you could have a job and it paid $100,000 a year, and the only thing you had to do is you were a greeter at a store, and the requirement was you had to bow to each guest who entered the store and just greet them.
	Oh, hello, welcome.
	Would you take that job?
	So, yes, because of the money.
	Well, I don't think so, really, because if you think about it, there are certain things that men will never compromise on because it will go against their pride.
	So, just because a woman's perfect does not mean that he would always make things out of the way.
	So, let's say, okay, let's say a woman.
	I'm trying to think what a sort of such a benign request from a woman would be of a man, but he gets his perfect woman who will be loyal to him for the rest of give him children, but she has one benign request that's just kind of a little, oh, that's a little, I'm trying to think what's going on.
	I can think of one.
	What is it?
	Maybe, like, if she requests him to always get his jacket off and, you know, lay it out front all the time for her and for her to sit down.
	Like, a lot of men would disagree with that.
	In return, he gets his perfect woman.
	But I feel that a lot of men.
	And that's the mountain, the hill they die on.
	Right, but a lot of men aren't willing to do something that makes them seem vulnerable, and especially in front of other people, in my opinion.
	I guess my question would be for you.
	You got your perfect woman, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	Would you let her hold it like a hose when you pee?
	Every time you pee, would you let her hold it like a hose?
	She's like, I want to be honest.
	I don't think that maps on one-to-one to the bow.
	But so I have to go and get her every, if I'm at fucking work, babe, come to fucking work so you can hold my dick while I pee?
	No, like, like, you could just do it like once a day.
	You can do it at home, you know, like you don't have to see anyone.
	It just doesn't work.
	And she's the perfect woman?
	Yeah, I'll make the concession.
	It's a little strange, but fuck it.
	Yeah, for the perfect woman, yeah, you can hold my dick once or twice.
	Welcome.
	Yeah, fuck it.
	Yeah, why not?
	It's weird.
	I think that's a bigger ask than the bow, but sure.
	Yeah, I think it depends on the intention.
	Bro, I don't know if you guys know the definition.
	Actually, I would like to get into the intention.
	What do you mean, the intention?
	What is the intent? Do you think the intention is degrading?
	No, no, no.
	Well, that's what I mean.
	If, like, if it's, I don't know, it can be a little fetish, I guess, or it can be like this is in his culture, like a welcoming thing that's different.
	If it's like, I'm the king and you are my slave type of feeling.
	No, no, not slave.
	I don't get.
	Why does it always have to be such an extra?
	No, but I'm just saying, but that's what I mean.
	I mean, if that's the intention of like.
	What if he just says, I'm the king and you're not the king, then I want the bow.
	Because that's how you show me respect when you come in my door.
	For me, personally, I like the bow.
	You hit the door.
	I like the bow.
	Now, I'm going to give you the Western equivalence of this.
	Yeah.
	You may think this is silly, but you know what I really like my wife to do every once in a while, right?
	I've never told her this, but I still like it anyway.
	A nice curtsy.
	You know?
	A nice what?
	Isn't that a curtsy?
	What's a hurtsy?
	A curtsy.
	Do you know what a curtsy is?
	Like a little.
	Oh, yeah?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, if it's your thing, that's fine.
	What's wrong with a curtsy?
	Hey, man, if it's your thing, and if that's your, you're both like comfortable with that, like, I have no problem with that.
	You've never curtsied?
	I don't, I mean, probably sarcastically or like, I mean, not in a like serious.
	I owe you like respect type of way.
	Is that what?
	I wouldn't know when I would do that.
	Yeah, I think, I mean, I think it's respectful, yeah.
	I think it was a good idea.
	I've never done that for 15 hours a day and he's in like the most god-awful conditions possible to bring home the bacon I don't see what's wrong with the curtsy I do, I would do it differently.
	Like, if I, yeah, if my boyfriend has been working all day, like, I'm gonna, I love welcoming my boyfriend.
	So I would go into the door and hug him, or I would, I'd like to have, like, you know, have something cooked for him.
	I mean, honestly, yeah, maybe.
	I'm just thinking of like a dependency.
	Okay, well, I mean, that's just the bow.
	It's just the bow.
	Maybe the bow, too.
	Maybe the bow too.
	If I said the bow fills me with the drive to go out and fight the world to provide you home and food to prepare us, just makes me 102% instead of 100%.
	You still wouldn't.
	Then yes.
	Yo, we got a piece of party coming, boys.
	We'll do the roast session too while everybody gets a little breather room to eat.
	Really quick, hung around the table, though, to finish this off.
	Would you bow for your man?
	No.
	Bow for your man?
	If it's Conan O'Brien, yes.
	Conan, that's right, Conanisa.
	Yeah.
	Oh, there we go.
	I think you used to say no, right?
	Connor said no.
	Oh, she's.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Yo, Dave on Jackson, by the way.
	Thank you very much, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, you had something?
	Wait, you got something?
	No.
	What you got?
	Guys, we're going to lower the TTS here to $20.
	We're going to do a roast session.
	Give me a second, boys, to get that going.
	Austin, are you able to get the messages typed out or do you want me to do it?
	Which messages?
	I'll do it.
	I got it.
	It's all good.
	Save that.
	I'll read that one later.
	I'll get them pulled up later.
	Guys, so roast session while everybody eats their pizza.
	Before that, though, can we play that Bow Video 2.0?
	Yes.
	Bow Video 2.0.
	We'll continue the conversation, though, on being submissive, the bow, blah, blah, blah.
	But Bow Video 2.0.
	Do you want audio?
	It's just really quick.
	Just play it, I guess.
	Yeah, sure.
	But we might have to mute it.
	Or is it music?
	Yeah, it isn't.
	Okay, no.
	No, no, no, yeah.
	Okay, this is.
	Okay, what do you guys, ladies, this is a little, but there's a twist.
	Would you do this for your man?
	Hold.
	Yep.
	Hold on.
	Oh, no.
	What?
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	What the fuck, dude?
	Oh, wait, there's no, we didn't.
	Okay, we did.
	We didn't have.
	I didn't expect that.
	Somehow there was no thing showing on the video.
	Whatever.
	Like, our reaction.
	Do you know what I'm talking about, Austin?
	No, there's at the end.
	Yeah, okay, it's fine.
	Oh, yeah.
	Does somebody not want pizza?
	It's pepperoni.
	No, I don't want pizza.
	Don't?
	Don't.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Thank you.
	That's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen on whatever, dude.
	Why would you ever play that?
	The beginning's good, though, right, Andrew?
	The beginning's good.
	No, no, the twist ruined the entire movie for me, bro.
	But what if the guy loves washing dishes?
	What if it makes him feel strong and powerful, and that's how yeah?
	Well, I mean, we have a word for those men.
	We call them bitches.
	Call them be a chief.
	I think we're good.
	Yeah, she does.
	Emma doesn't want one.
	I mean, I've met a couple of men who tell me that they adore housework, but they're always liberal progressive scumbags every single time.
	So, guys, TTS is 20.
	We're going to do a little roast session in the roast session.
	We're going to do a little roast session.
	So, TTS now set to 20 for.
	Oh, fuck.
	Didn't I mean that?
	Yeah.
	TTS set to 20 for, I don't know, 10 minutes while we, you know, take a little breather.
	Andrew's going to keep us entertained.
	He's going to tell us – he's going to – He's going to tell us about his.
	Tell us a story from the D-Gen days.
	The D-Gen days, Andrew.
	D-Gen days.
	TTS.
	I've always been nothing but a perfect stoic gentleman, a philosophizer since I was a young man.
	I've always gone the straight narrow, Brian.
	How dare you make such insinuations as to say anything to the contrary of that?
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, unbelievable.
	I would like to actually get into this, though, with Rachel, but you do look like you.
	You can eat your pizza instead if you want.
	This is the roast section, so everybody's about to get.
	I'm not hungry.
	I'm good.
	Oh, yeah, you're not.
	So my atops for donated $20.
	The male equivalent of a bow is opening the car door for your woman.
	No man is going to give up a perfect woman if she asks that any time she gets in the car you open the door for her Delulu women.
	Yeah.
	Blowing loads donated $20.
	You can't bow, but you'll bang a stranger and let him choke you and blow a load on your faces.
	You'll need Jesus.
	And some clam cream.
	The one before.
	Actually, that was a great point.
	The first super chat.
	The first super chat is stating: if you were a great woman, a man would be happy to go and open your door for you.
	It's like, and that's true.
	They would.
	They would go open your door every single time you got into the car.
	They'd open your door when you went into a building.
	They would do all of that stuff.
	But you can't even get a bow.
	Like, you can't get a bow?
	But I mean, who decided that that's the equivalent?
	Maybe it's something else.
	Maybe it's, like I said, like, what I like to do is like welcoming my boyfriend.
	It doesn't mean I don't want to bow.
	Who said who?
	Well, how do you welcome him?
	What do you welcome him with?
	I usually jump in his arm and hug him and just get excited.
	But I just, I just, yeah, I'm just excited when my boyfriend gets home usually.
	When I have a boyfriend, Brian Estadi donated $20.
	Brian, you are the last one on the panel that needs pizza.
	You won't lose your dumpy that way.
	Tubby, tubby, tubby, tubby.
	It's true, ma'am.
	It's true.
	But you know, look, I gotta say, Chris Tabanak donated $20.
	Kolistosti de Tabanakostid Kolistaviosh.
	Do you want the real accent with that, or?
	You need the consonants, and you need some emotion in it.
	So, yeah, that face, Andrew.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't, yeah.
	That just sounded evil.
	It sounded like an exorcism needed to happen.
	King Black donated $20.
	Look, boys, Brian's out here cheating on his burritos with a greasy pizza.
	What a degent.
	No surprise, he got his plate first.
	Gulp, gulp, straight to the dumpy.
	He did get his plate first.
	I'm not.
	He did.
	And there was a lot of pizza on the plate, Brian.
	And it's all gone now.
	I'm hungry, bro.
	I'm hungry, man.
	That's fair.
	It's a long podcast.
	A long podcast.
	It's mentally.
	It's different.
	The legendary trash panda donated $20.
	Andrew, I'm getting another one.
	You all like them finally photos.
	Share one.
	I had a problem processing yours.
	The program automatically set the slider to 50 because you already look old.
	AF.
	Oh, no.
	And we donated $20.24.
	First time donation.
	Keep up the good work, Brian and Andrew.
	Yeah, we'll do, Gran Meow.
	We'll do.
	So, Chris donated $20.
	So I see Android 17 and Vegeta up on the shelf over there.
	Where did Android 18 go?
	Isn't she up there too?
	What?
	What?
	What kind of shitty DVC references is?
	The part of the show where I can afford to voice my Aussie dollar opinions.
	W-based chat.
	Ladies, feminism has made you less feminine.
	Drop your ego.
	Buying isn't worse than taking it up the ass.
	Prehistoric Kweef donated $20.
	Would you date a guy that farts a lot but is an absolute 8.5 overall?
	I can answer this.
	I would because Brian Saggin Ticks donated $20.
	Too slow.
	Please, for the love of God, we can't handle any more garbage.
	Look, ma'am, I need my energy, bro.
	Brian, did you tell him that Dean agreed?
	Dean agreed live on the crucible to come on and do a dating talk panel.
	He agreed live right here to come on and do it and then do a debate afterwards.
	Did you tell him that?
	Let's see if they stick if he sticks to it, you know?
	Well, I have him live on video.
	You saw the video, right?
	We'll see.
	Terminal underscore Lance donated $20.
	Three Asians walk onto a podcast.
	The host says, I've seen this one before, all these donations, and Brian gets little Caesars.
	It's Rusty's Pizza, bitch.
	You think I'm gonna treat my guests well with Rusty?
	Donated $20.
	Proof of Andrew's forced doctrine.
	When Biden left Afghanistan, all military men stopped protecting the women who went to school.
	1.2 million women no longer could go to school.
	Not a feminist in sight.
	Yeah, I noticed that there weren't very many feminists recently pulling people out of the floodwaters either.
	Just wanted to point that out.
	I did see a whole lot of people getting pulled out of floodwaters.
	Not a feminist in sight.
	Can you pull the video?
	Saving the dogs or sh some shit.
	Oh, yeah.
	By the way, I was prepared this time.
	Oh, look at that.
	A little microwave pizza.
	You got sh- yeah.
	Alright, let's play.
	No way.
	Oven.
	Wife would never give me microwave pizza.
	Make it bigger, please.
	Damn.
	These piece of shit men.
	How could the man?
	No empathy.
	They don't have any empathy, Brian.
	Man, these toxic masculinity right here.
	The problem is that they're not saving the kittens either.
	Just the dogs.
	Oh, boy.
	I mean, you can't really blame them for that.
	Ultimately, the cats, they're a little bit smarter.
	They go to high ground.
	It's the dumbass dogs I left behind.
	Like what you want them to do.
	Dumbass dogs.
	Damn, look at that.
	They're on the roofs, though.
	What the?
	Damn.
	Shit, that's great.
	Damn, that's a cute dog.
	Adopt that.
	Adopt that dog.
	Oh, man.
	Yeah, this toxic masculinity.
	We need to put a stop to this.
	I mean, it's just how dare these men.
	Okay, all right.
	All right.
	All right.
	There you go.
	You know.
	Alright.
	So.
	That's it for the roast boys coming.
	Oh, I paused it temporarily.
	We got some coming in.
	The legendary trash panda donated $20.
	Chair 5.
	I also had a problem processing yours.
	It kept giving you a mustache, so I took a closer look.
	You tucking your sack back, bruv.
	The boys must be taped and packed tight, son.
	Talking about you.
	Whoa.
	You got a response?
	You want to scoot into the table, so you.
	What did they say?
	On the back.
	Just scoot your chair into the table a little bit so you can, you know.
	Wait, what am I responding to?
	Alright.
	Dylan Joe donated $21.
	Dating should be like baseball.
	If you get a home run in the first few dates, go steady.
	Eva since cell phones were given to our generation.
	It added a whole texting phase to dating BS.P's chill with the fat jokes.
	North Alberta kid donated $20.81.
	This is the most reasonable, respectful group of women I have seen on this podcast.
	The boys are really reaching hard to instigate controversy.
	The incels are so annoyed right now.
	Fartbox donated $20.
	I would suck a fart out that us and hold it like a bong hit Morgan.
	What?
	What?
	You want to respond to that, Morgan?
	I'd not like to respond.
	Okay.
	Ryan Callaway donated $25.
	Please add Trump saying, shut up, silly woman, to the soundboard.
	From the snake poem he reads at his rallies, so many places to use it.
	By the way, this pizza roast session was a great idea.
	Thank you, man.
	Don Becker donated $20.
	Andrew, I broke down to a femto day why women didn't have bank accounts so they couldn't occur debt back then and she just froze and said sounds like no freedom yeah that's no freedom Donated $20.
	We can't hold out much longer.
	Brian, please.
	It's true, man.
	If they could talk, man.
	They could talk.
	If you could be a fly in my intellect.
	Britu Go-Kart Sports donated $20.
	Do any ladies on the panel have armpit hair to show off?
	A little garnish makes pizza delicious.
	It's a shame Brian was too cheap to spring for real pizza with pineapple.
	Any armpit hair check?
	Anybody?
	Armpit hair?
	Armpit hair check?
	Okay, just check.
	Alright.
	We got more coming.
	Dariel underscore Frank Castle 512 donated $20.
	If it were Springfield, Ohio, the Haitians would have saved the cats too.
	They gotta secure their next meals, LaMau.
	Burrito SA donated $20.
	Uh-oh.
	A couple of eights on this panel are eights in a different sense, as in Brian would vomit his burrito after looking at their faces for eight milliseconds.
	What?
	The fuck?
	Okay.
	The Rosetta Stone donated $20.
	Thank you, Rosetta.
	I love the way words anymore are being appropriated and used without even understanding the standard definition.
	They just assign random definitions based on what they feel the word should mean.
	I want Toba Ninja donated $20.
	Hum, you know what?
	Ma, maybe I too could be ninja.
	I want to be ninja.
	I want to be ninja.
	I want to chop, chop, chop Chow down, take Chow down to Chinatown.
	I want to be Ninja.
	Snap more donated $20.
	Thank you, Snapmore.
	Brixon.
	I'm sorry, but you aged 10 years in one year.
	Stressful.
	We love you and we care.
	Please hit the gym.
	Hi, Morgay.
	More gay?
	Morgay.
	Shit.
	You want to tell us something, Morgan?
	Dylan Joe.
	There once was a man from Peru who fell asleep in his canoe while dreaming of Venus.
	He played with his penis and woke up covered in goo.
	Alright, Dylan Joe, thank you.
	Sorry, the filter got it.
	So as sheep donated $20.
	I work full-time and take care of the babies.
	Should I still be submissive?
	We make more than enough to live off one income, but he can't do his hobbies.
	I just want to be a star.
	Thoughts?
	Guys, you should.
	Techno Trooper donated $20.
	Ladies, give us your best hawk too if bowing is too much.
	Anyone want to let's hear the huck to what is that?
	What's that?
	Damn, bro.
	Okay.
	Alright, you don't have to.
	Well, we know what it is.
	There you go.
	Okay, there you go.
	Good job.
	I'll let we are going back up to.
	We're going to do the TTS at 100 now for the rest of the show, so down from 200.
	I know there's some that are still coming through, so I'll give you guys a grace period.
	But if you guys, if you're watching now, you're watching live, I guess here's the cutoff.
	I'll do the grace period.
	I'll let them come through, but we're going to do 100 and up now for TTC.
	No, filter donated $20.
	Yo, that's big labias don't matter.
	You can big outer lips and small inner lips FTW.
	I like my coochies to look like moose knuckles.
	I mean, that's good too.
	Big, big outer is good too, but like the is better if you're not.
	This panel has the energy of a dying horse.
	Come on, bishes.
	Wake up.
	None of you are pretty enough to lack a personality.
	Dylan Joe donated $200.
	Brian may be big now, but I can sense a comeback.
	Him and Andrew are gonna get shredded and come for you neckbeards.
	Just watch.
	Oh, yeah.
	2026 is my year.
	Prehistoric queef donated $20.
	Would you be with a stud dude that farts a lot?
	Show of hands, ladies.
	Would you be with a stud, but he flirts a lot?
	Yeah?
	Because you can work on it.
	So ridiculous.
	You can work on his nutrition.
	Rachel Wilson donated $20.
	Please ask the ladies if they would still want equal rights if they had to draw straws with men's senior year of high school to randomly assign difficult, dangerous, and dirty jobs.
	Terminal underscore Lanced donated $20.
	Good call putting Morgan on this panel.
	Without her, the next hottest one is Andrew's beard.
	It is if I should still be submissive, Andrew, should I get some extra help from the husband?
	It's a lot to take care of the house fully and children and work full-time.
	All right, guys, we're gonna do first of all.
	Well, I just want to point something out very quickly to you, Ashie.
	I think you're full of shit.
	And I don't think that you work full-time, so you're having to do with hobbies.
	Just shut up.
	Just shut up and stop coping and fucking lying to me.
	Just stop.
	You're full of shit.
	Nobody believes you that you're so altruistic.
	You wanted to work full-time and take care of your children so your husband could pursue what?
	Golfing?
	Just get the fuck out of here with your bullshit.
	Bullshit.
	Nobody believes you.
	That is so.
	I'm going to change the threshold.
	There might be some stragglers, but we do have to bring it back up.
	So it has just been changed.
	TTS is 100.
	I'll read the super chats.
	There was another one that came through.
	I'll read this really quick.
	Brian, do you garnish those pizzas with cheese from under?
	Bring back AVA.
	Yeah, sure.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, man.
	Let's see here what we have.
	Let me refresh this.
	There was a TTS that came in before this at 100.
	Let me play that.
	We'll do the supers.
	I'll get those pulled up here in just a sec.
	But guys, TTS is now 100.
	Thank you guys who participated in the pizza session and the roast session.
	Let me see.
	Uh-oh.
	It's not showing.
	Let me see what's going on here.
	Okay.
	To the person who sent in 100 before we did that, it's not going to let me pull it up, but I'm going to go through the history and I'm going to read it.
	I apologize that we can't pull it up.
	But you did send in.
	Let me see.
	This was from Techno Trooper.
	Techno, sorry, but it was, ladies, holidays coming up.
	How much should your partner spend for your Christmas gifts?
	Oh, hashtag recession money.
	I would say $1,000.
	For the Christmas gifts, okay.
	I don't.
	I don't care about gifts, money.
	I wouldn't want to spend time with him, but I don't.
	Yeah, I don't care about myself.
	No, there's no amount of money.
	No.
	Okay.
	10k.
	Just kidding.
	I don't know.
	I don't care.
	$100?
	I'd say, like, depending on what he's comfortable spending, but $20 is like, I guess, reasonable.
	Around $50, but I also like things that are like handmade.
	Handmade?
	Okay.
	I don't think there should be a monetary value necessarily.
	I mean, I'm a big gift giver, but no monetary value.
	Doesn't matter.
	And Anissa, the only woman here who actually has a boyfriend, no offense to the rest of you.
	How much do you expect your boyfriend for the little holidays?
	You know?
	I don't really have a number.
	Okay.
	I'll read this.
	Daniel Nasiri.
	Brian, next time they refute the traditionally.
	Or wait, let me read.
	Hold on.
	Hide that.
	Just sons of Liberty.
	My house in Florida was submerged by over four feet of ocean water.
	Sorry, man.
	Came in after that.
	I tried.
	We cut it off.
	Forward bow challenge them with the hypocrisy of providing the reverse bow with the hair-pulling bareback doggy style.
	So basically you'll arch your back in a different way for a man, but you won't do a little benign in this wholesome bow.
	You think is it?
	Hold on.
	That's an assumption.
	It's like, oh, do we have any virgins?
	Do we have any virgins here at the table?
	Pulled the hair back doggy style back?
	I think that that's fair.
	I think that she makes a fair point.
	That is an assumption.
	I just want to make sure then, right, that this will be a prying question.
	You don't have to answer it, of course.
	But I assume that you've just never had sex doggy style then.
	No, there's a difference between like pulled a hair back and like being sick or whatever.
	She said, being saved in the hairball.
	$100.
	Neck up in the heart.
	Seems like she'd be a wholesome partner, plus, is a bit of a smoke show.
	Grats to whoever nabs her.
	All right.
	But he's saying that that is a submissive position to be put in.
	If you're in that submissive position, your head is thrown back and your back is arced.
	It's essentially the same exact position, right?
	And of course, I'm not trying to pry.
	I'm just pointing this out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, yeah.
	Yeah, I guess that's fair, though.
	It just sounded more aggressive, like you would let someone do that.
	Let me think.
	I mean, that is assuming that everyone here would let a man do that, and you don't want to be aware of that.
	I assume that women who have had sex multiple times.
	Multiple partners have likely had sex in that position.
	I'm sure that there's some who are just like straight missionary.
	I'm sure that they exist.
	I just have a feeling it isn't going to be most of the women on this panel.
	Yeah, you know what?
	That's fair when you think about it.
	Raise your hand if you've never had doggy style sex.
	All right.
	Okay.
	I guess that's okay.
	Good talk, I guess.
	Good talk, guys.
	That was great.
	Wait, we were going around the table on.
	Wait, what was the techno trooper's question?
	Oh, no, sorry, we did it.
	We did it.
	My bad.
	My bad.
	We already did it.
	We have a message here from Alvin Sam.
	What's more submissive?
	A woman who bows or a man who pulls the chair out?
	Wait, a woman who bows or a man who pulls the chair out or holds the door open?
	Girl in the middle, think about what you said.
	So what's more, I guess this is a question to you.
	What's more submissive?
	Well, I feel that it's more submissive of a woman who bows just because pulling the chair out is ingrained within like chivalry, and it just doesn't seem as submissive as that.
	But, you know, that's just my opinion on that.
	Which one takes more actual physical effort?
	The second one.
	Pulling the chair out.
	Takes more time, takes more effort.
	But y'all can't hit a bow.
	So I asked before, you didn't really answer.
	Would you bow to a woman if she was the perfect woman for you?
	Hmm.
	If she wanted that?
	It's an interesting question.
	No.
	It didn't know it.
	And here, I'll give you my justification for it.
	I don't think that men are supposed to submit to women, and it's an act of submission.
	But not only is it an act of submission, it's a sign of respect.
	Don't think that men should be bowing to women ever.
	Ever.
	But it's also a submission to, like this guy said, to pull the chair out and hold the door open.
	I don't think that that's submissive.
	I think that that's a sign of respect, absent submission.
	You wouldn't consider those things a submission.
	Here, no.
	To make this question fair, I would like you to ask me because putting to Andrew's point, that is it more submissive.
	So you'll have to ask me a question that would be more gender appropriate.
	And I'll happily give you a yes or no.
	But you can't just reverse Uno the question.
	So give me an ask from a woman for the perfect woman that would be gender appropriate for me to do.
	But why does it have to be gender appropriate?
	People are different.
	People have different ways of showing love and affection and respect.
	Well, because even within the worldview of there being 10,000 genders, Brian most assuredly takes the gender of the traditional he him, right, under this paradigm.
	And so even under the paradigm of those who believe that there's a thousand genders, they would have to show respect to the particular gender which the person is allocating to themselves, right?
	I wasn't speaking about that there's 10,000 genders, there's two.
	Yeah, but I'm just, I'm not saying you were.
	I'm just saying even assuming there were inside of that worldview, you would still be assigning the respect portion of it to the gender the person assigned themselves, right?
	That's why.
	So either way, it's like a double-edged sword.
	So either he's the traditional masculine or assigns the traditional masculine, and not traditional in the sense of I go for tradition, but traditional masculinity.
	If that is the case, he assigns thatself or assigns that to himself, whichever way, inside the other worldview or his worldview, you would still be showing respect through that, right?
	Okay, so you're just speaking from a traditional masculinity standpoint.
	Yes.
	Just from that.
	Okay, I understand that.
	Well, because I think so to your question, I think like if she was going to ask you something that's like gender equivalent for you, I think it would be something emotional.
	So something as to, so the bow would be a respect.
	Scoot the mic to the edge of the table, please.
	Okay.
	So the bow is like a respectful thing for you.
	And for, I guess, for you to the woman would be something like you have to listen to her talk about her day and for 10 seconds?
	Yeah.
	For 10 seconds.
	She's about three, four, five times as long as it's a little bit different.
	I'm just saying, like, yeah, that's the equivalent, right?
	Something emotional.
	Once a day.
	Once a day, I will listen to her for 10 seconds.
	So there you go.
	I just feel that would be sort of the problem.
	For the perfect woman.
	You know what, Andrew?
	Perhaps I'm going to get flack for this.
	Dating is difficult.
	Dating is complicated.
	There's a lot of, I mean, I think people don't underestimate what perfection is.
	For the perfect woman, you ask if I would bow, and I was a bit hesitant.
	I wouldn't bow for a woman, but for the perfect woman, I'm going to get flack.
	There's not a lot of perfect women out there.
	In fact, I don't know if there's any.
	I will take the concession.
	I'll hit the bow for the perfect woman.
	Okay.
	Happy to hear it.
	What?
	Yes, Andrew.
	What?
	Yes, dude.
	subscribe to your channel eh?
	I don't want to work full-time I rather raise the children.
	His hobby is a band and spends roughly 1k a month on it so I need to work so we make the bills.
	I love her show.
	Yeah, that sounds like an investment.
	So that's a whole different thing.
	Nope, you should still submit.
	It's an investment.
	You're hoping that his band makes it big so you never have to work again.
	Stop the cope, Ashley.
	But Brian, back to this.
	Yeah, no, let's get into it, Andrew.
	What?
	I actually see in order to secure her.
	I get the perfect woman handed to me on a silver platter, and all I have to do is bow, do one bow.
	But otherwise, hold on, Andrew.
	Here's the entailment.
	The entirety of the rest of the relationship, she's perfectly submissive.
	She doesn't quarrel.
	She's beautiful, feminine, all the traits that I want.
	Giant, fucking giant Guinness World Record book labia.
	Yes, Andrew, I will take the concession.
	This woman does not exist, Andrew.
	You can't bow, bro.
	Okay, but she literally lets me rest my feet on her back while I watch TV.
	You can't.
	But the one you can't bow.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm being extreme here, but I'll do it.
	You can't bow.
	Andrew, no, no, no, no.
	But, Andrew, you're going to have to be able to get a little bit of a bunch of things.
	Let me give you my rebuttal.
	Let me give you a little bit of a release.
	Andrew, you got to take the L. I'm sorry.
	But okay.
	I don't care if you show up every single night to the best food you've ever had, the best sex you've ever had, the most submissive woman who's ever existed, and she loves, she loves you to death.
	She will die, take every bullet for you.
	She will lie to the FBI on your behalf.
	She will help you bury the dead body in the backyard.
	You don't fucking bow.
	No, Andrew, I'm sorry, but I'm sorry, Andrew.
	But, okay, here's the trade-off.
	So I don't say I don't accept the perfect woman.
	Then I must accept a flawed woman, correct?
	And in some way, she's going to challenge her.
	She's already a flawed woman if you're bowing to her.
	There we go.
	That's the entailment.
	That's the logical entailment.
	It has to be already imperfect.
	An imperfect woman if you have to bow.
	That is the logical syllogism.
	So everything is.
	She's perfect in every conceivable way, except you have to bow.
	Therefore, she can't be perfect.
	Therefore, you can never bow to a woman, Brian.
	Done.
	Done, bro.
	Perfect, but I have to bow.
	That's it.
	I got to do a little fucking way.
	Then she's not perfect.
	That's the entailment of the position that she's not perfect.
	No, but okay, Andrew.
	Okay, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	I can prove this.
	I can prove this.
	I can prove this logically to you.
	No, you can't.
	But go ahead.
	If that perfect woman was perfect in every way and you did not have to bow, would you prefer that woman over a woman who was perfect in every way, but you did have to bow?
	Well, yes, sure.
	Well, then we have discovered there's an imperfection, and therefore the perfect woman cannot ever exist if you must bow.
	Therefore, Andrew is right, and he just took the fattest dell of your career.
	No, but hold on.
	Let me just fucking rip out my chapter three from debateuniversity.com.
	You son of a gun here.
	I got you, Andrew, because the perfect woman, but that's it.
	But you have to do this.
	Which, in the hypothetical presented, would suggest that she is perfect, but this one thing.
	So then you're not.
	So, okay, but this doesn't make any sense because you're already making the claim she's not perfect.
	So why would you bow before her?
	You're overthinking, Andrew.
	Hang on, the initial premise.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	Is the investment more important, though?
	My kids are one and two, and we have a third on the way.
	I just want to give them the time they need so they grow up well.
	Sign Q for your criticism.
	Thank you, Ashley.
	Well, I'm not trying to criticize you.
	I'm just trying to point out that, yeah, that's an investment.
	And yes, you should submit either way.
	And even if you're the primary breadwinner, you should still submit because that's still an investment.
	It's still an investment.
	Andrew, can I ask you a question?
	Andrew, let me ask you a question.
	Thank you, Ashley.
	I appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Andrew, you're a proponent of marriage, Christian men.
	Orthodox Christian?
	Yes, I am a proponent of marriage.
	Now, would you have any quarrel with a man kneeling to propose to his girlfriend?
	Yeah, I don't think you should kneel to propose.
	Yeah.
	But men do.
	But men do.
	Yeah, I think they probably shouldn't.
	Well, I agree with you there.
	Well, I don't know what's the quarrel.
	Well, okay, then I was hoping you would say, but I would take the alternative.
	But look, I'm just saying.
	Look.
	Okay, you're trying to get me on a technicality.
	I'm going to grant it.
	I'm going to grant it.
	I'm going to grant it and say, Andrew Wilson thinks you should.
	That's not an act of submission.
	Okay, it's not an act of submission to kneel to ask for the marriage because what you're actually doing, right, is you're saying, listen, this is the one time in my life that I'm going to show you some vulnerability as I ask you for this great leap from you.
	The one time ever.
	Now, if this motherfucker got on his knees every other day to propose, you would agree that there's a problem there, right?
	But like, one time, one time.
	Like, if you said to me, Andrew, I bowed once to the perfect woman, that's different.
	But you said you would bow.
	You would bow to the perfect woman.
	What?
	Like, she's going to hit the door and Brian's going to bow, bro.
	I'm not going to allow you to gish gallop, Andrew.
	You gish galloper.
	You're going to.
	Hold on.
	You want me to answer the question?
	I'm going to answer the question.
	Now, back to this.
	Back to this, okay?
	So back to this.
	So, Andrew, here's the thing, right?
	I would rather live, die on my feet than live on my knees.
	And you're in favor of kneeling one time.
	I would rather die on my feet.
	And as if you bow, you're still on your feet.
	Boom, roasted lawyered.
	Boom.
	Okay.
	Okay, so hang on.
	Hang on.
	If you propose with a bow, just general donated $100.
	Would you recommend that many?
	I'm not going to be able to send in TTS messages.
	You'd probably have to work less.
	Well, we appreciate it.
	What if a man proposed with a bow?
	Is that okay then?
	Because he's still on his feet, Brian.
	If he proposed with a bow?
	Yeah, so he, instead of getting on one knee, he bowed his entire body over and held the ring up like so.
	Would that be okay?
	And then he hold the ring.
	Hang on, hold the ring straight up above your head and then bow your whole body over.
	And you tell, is that?
	You're shifting the goalposts.
	Shifting the goalpost.
	Yeah, can you do that?
	Can you do that, Brian?
	Is that okay?
	You shifted the goalpost.
	Oh, no, bro.
	I think that's the best thing.
	Logical thousands.
	Logical.
	You need verbal combat, honestly, Andrew.
	You should take your own course, bro.
	I did debate myself recently and lost.
	Should we do it again?
	Wait, can we do it?
	Oh, Austin?
	Yes.
	Can we have Andrew debate Andrew really quick?
	Just super quick.
	Let's have maybe we have.
	We should probably have Andrew or Austin do this.
	Okay, hang on.
	Hang on.
	Save it towards the end.
	Save it towards the end.
	We'll do it towards the end.
	Because I have a topic I want to debate.
	He's got to reverse the.
	Transform.
	Transform.
	Flip horizontal.
	All right.
	And then I think Hyde wants to.
	No, no, we have to stay in, Brian.
	We have to stay for.
	I have a topic on this.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Never mind.
	You can.
	Well, go back to the split.
	Just hide them.
	Okay.
	Well, look.
	Okay.
	So, Andrew, you're trying to tackle me here.
	You're trying to tackle me on the word perfect.
	You know what?
	I'll just go ahead.
	Okay, well, no, I'll grant you.
	I will grant you.
	Perfect means without flaw.
	Okay.
	So, but here's the thing: in this scenario, I think here's the difference: the woman isn't asking me to bow.
	So, the scenario is: I'm making a deal with wait, you're making a deep.
	Okay, I'm not making a deal with the woman.
	I'm making the deal with the genie, and there's a genie in a bottle, and the genie says, The genie says, Brian, I will give you the perfect woman.
	She does not request this of you, but you must do it.
	You will have to bow to me.
	Hold on, you got it.
	Andrew, I'm not going to allow you to.
	I'm not going to.
	Hold on.
	You got to let me finish here.
	All right, you got to let me finish my point.
	I'm sorry, bro.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, so, Andrew, the genie is the sort of arbiter, the executioner of this tragic, tragic burden on me to bow to this woman.
	But it's not the woman who is requesting me to do this.
	The genie has created the scenario: in order for me to get this perfect woman, I must do this.
	How can, in this scenario, the woman not be perfect?
	Well, this is actually a great question.
	I'm going to answer it for you.
	Your premise is flawed.
	So, the genie could not actually grant the wish.
	This is illogical.
	The wish is for the perfect woman.
	If the genie says, Great, I'll give you the perfect woman, but you have to bow to her, then the genie could not give you that woman because she would not be perfect.
	You know, that doesn't make any sense.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay, bro.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	I'm sorry.
	But so, what, okay, let me ask you a question.
	If you were talking to the genie, what about her would not be perfect?
	Okay, well, I'll answer your question.
	From your purview of what you consider the perfect woman, if you had all of those qualities, plus you didn't have to bow, but you also had all those qualities, but you did, which of those women would you take?
	I would prefer to not have to bow.
	Well, then we already know your criteria for the perfect woman.
	But that has nothing to do with the same thing.
	Hang on, so if you ask the genie for the perfect woman, if you ask the genie for the perfect woman, when the genie says, I'll give you the perfect woman, but you have to bow, he's not giving you the perfect woman.
	Therefore, the premise is flawed.
	Well, hold on.
	He is giving me the perfect woman.
	He's giving me an imperfect life scenario.
	There's nothing wrong with the perfect woman with the imperfect woman.
	What's that?
	Hold on.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	So, if a genie says, I'll give you a million dollars per day, but you have to do a bow, or the genie says, I'll give you a million dollars per day, and you don't have to do the bow, do you not get the million dollars per day if you take the bow?
	You still get the same thing.
	Well, wait a second.
	No, you don't.
	Because if you say, No, I won't take the bow, you don't get the million dollars.
	Is that correct?
	That would be correct, yes.
	Yeah, well, then, yeah, it wouldn't be the same thing.
	So, you're getting two different criteria here: the first one, you bow, you get the million.
	The second one, you don't bow, you don't get the million.
	Well, hold on, Andrew.
	Let me ask you a question.
	What if I don't know if this is compelling, but a perfect woman, her standard for dating a man is that he needs to earn a million dollars a year?
	Okay.
	I have not thought this one through.
	Hold on, let me think.
	Those analogies on the flyer.
	She's a perfect.
	She is the perfect woman, but the man does not earn a million dollars a year.
	Is she no longer the perfect woman despite his own inadequacy?
	No.
	Wait, she is or she's not?
	She's not.
	She's not the perfect woman.
	She would still be the perfect woman despite this inadequacy.
	Because entailed in the premise is she's the perfect woman.
	She wants the perfect man, but the perfect man must make a million dollars.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	So, yeah.
	Andrew, listen.
	Listen, bro.
	We're getting caught up on the word perfect here.
	Let's get back to the without flaw, right?
	You okay?
	Let's get back to the spirit of the conversation, right?
	Now, you've managed to derail the conversation with this hyper-focus on the word perfect.
	I get it.
	I get it, Andrew.
	Listen, you're a master debater.
	I get it.
	But let's get back to the spirit of the question, which was.
	Okay.
	Would I bow?
	Submit.
	Andrew?
	Andrew?
	Would I, the perfect woman, I just have to bow and I get the perfect woman?
	Yeah, I'll do it.
	That's it.
	Okay, but the entailment there is that you think the perfect woman wouldn't make you bow.
	And so therefore, if you think the perfect woman wouldn't make you bow, it can't be the perfect woman.
	Just for simplicity's sake, I will go ahead and grant you that she is imperfect.
	Now, but she's so you will bow to the imperfect woman, Brian?
	Oh, Andrew, you trickster you.
	Andrew, you little trickster.
	You're a little trickster, Andrew.
	She's she.
	Wait, Andrew, what about this?
	She's the imperfect woman.
	She's perfect in every way, except this one.
	Will you grant that?
	Yeah, so if so, if you're saying that in every other way than the way that she makes you submit every single day to her, she's perfect.
	I can grant that, yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I would hit the button.
	So what you're saying is that you will submit to the woman who you think is perfect, even though the imperfection of her making you submit makes her imperfect.
	You would still submit if she had all the other criteria other than that, right?
	Look, man, I know you're doing your Tai Chi Judo or whatever.
	You're overthinking this, Andrew.
	You're overthinking this.
	You're trying to get me to be like, just to basically admit that I'm a soy boy, okay?
	I know what you're doing.
	I know what you're trying to do.
	You're trying to clip.
	You're trying to get a little clip.
	Here's the thing, Andrew.
	Listen.
	Well, let me ask you a question real quick.
	Is bowing submission?
	I would, look, do you bow to a king?
	Sure.
	That's submissive.
	You would be submissive.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I would bow in deference to men who were above my station.
	You know what?
	I will grant it, Andrew.
	I will grant that bowing is submissive.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I just want to make sure we got this on record that there are cases where you are going to submit to women.
	Ah, no, Hold on, Andrew.
	Be precise in your language.
	I will submit to the penultimate perfect woman.
	Penultimate.
	You're going to submit to the imperfect woman.
	No, no, no.
	Hold on.
	You got to use my language here.
	She's the penultimate perfect woman.
	You know what penultimate is?
	I know it's a big word.
	No.
	Big word, Andrew.
	Penultimate.
	Secondary ultimate.
	I think I, hold on, let me Google.
	So you would, okay, got it.
	So you would submit to a less than perfect woman.
	Next to last.
	Wait, fuck.
	Last one, last but one in a series of second to last.
	Wait, hold on.
	Second to last, yeah.
	So, okay, so let's use the word.
	So let's use a word in reverse: supersede.
	So supersede, you would agree, supersede.
	I know it's a big word, Brian, but you would agree that the word supersede means to come before.
	And so if we're talking about perfect and we have perfect, and then second perfect is less than perfect.
	And you would admit that perfect supersedes less than perfect.
	You would bow to less than perfect.
	That is correct, Andrew.
	That is correct.
	But, Andrew, let's say I don't accept this scenario.
	I don't accept, I refuse to do the bow.
	And in so doing, in so doing, in reality, I end up with a woman who is orders of magnitude worse than this supposed just slightly less than imperfect woman.
	Is it worse?
	I'm not fucking bowing to a woman, bro.
	Andrew?
	Like, regardless of the circumstances, I'm not going to bow my head to a woman.
	I'm not ever going to do it.
	And even if that meant that I was in a worse situation than I was before that, I'm not bowing my head to a woman.
	Okay, let me give you.
	I'm going to ask you a question, Andrew.
	I'm going to ask you a comparison.
	So, woman.
	If it's under threat of coercion, if it's under threat of coercion, if that's what your hypothetical is, then yes.
	No.
	If it's under threat of coercion, sure.
	Let me ask you a question, Andrew.
	So you have two women, two women.
	One of the women, and you have to pick one.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	One of the women is an atheist, liberal, feminist, obese, BPD, bipolar, depressed, on a slew of anti-psychotic, anti-anxiety, anti-depression drugs.
	She is infertile.
	She's a biatch.
	She her name is Andrina.
	Destiny.
	Sure.
	Destiny.
	She has pink hair.
	She has pink hair.
	The physiogamy is.
	She's heinous.
	It's bad.
	Yeah.
	Again, atheist woman.
	She'll never convert to Orthodox Christianity.
	Yep.
	She's, did I say infertile?
	Yeah.
	But you never have to bow to this woman.
	Never.
	Never.
	And all things else are equal.
	And she smells.
	And she smells.
	Hold on.
	Hang on, Sheriff.
	Okay, go ahead.
	But all other things are equal.
	All my choices between that or the perfect woman, except she's not perfect because I have to bow to her, right?
	Well, hold on.
	Let me paint the picture for the other woman.
	Okay.
	The other woman, beautiful, fertile, Orthodox Christian, virgin, will give you seven sons.
	That Bible verse, I don't know the exact, I don't recall it.
	Children in a man's youth are like arrows in the hand of a warrior.
	Okay?
	She'll give you seven sons, Andrew.
	She's a babe.
	She's hot.
	Submissive.
	Submissive, Andrew.
	Feminine.
	Beautiful.
	But I have to bow to her.
	But once a day, you got it.
	Three seconds, you got to hit the bow.
	Which woman do you pick?
	And I just want to make sure all other things are equal.
	What do you mean?
	All other things are equal.
	So everything else remains the same except these two conditions.
	The two conditions.
	There's a lot of conditions, Andrew.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, except the difference is between woman A and woman B. Everything else stays the same.
	Can you could you give me an example of woman A, the heinous woman?
	I can pick between her.
	I can pick between this golden goddess who's fucking fantastic, except I have to bow to her, but everything else stays the same.
	What would everything?
	What would everything be?
	Well, there's no condition.
	Like, the world isn't flat in this scenario.
	There's still an outer space.
	There's still stars in the sky.
	There's nothing.
	Everything else external to this stays the same.
	I know you're trying to get, I know you're trying to do something, Andrew, but sure.
	Okay, well then great.
	Then I'll take the heinous bitch and divorce her.
	Andrew, you trickster, you.
	First off, I asked, bro.
	I asked.
	You, okay, let me.
	Okay, hold on, Andrew.
	I asked, bro.
	I did.
	Now, this is a perfect example of your bamboozling trickery here, Andrew.
	Let me, let me.
	Oh, my goodness.
	You must.
	You can't.
	There's no divorce.
	Andrew.
	Oh, okay.
	Now there's.
	So, okay, so then all things aren't equal.
	Okay, so, okay.
	Hold on, Andrew.
	It's implied.
	It is implied.
	It's not implied.
	That's implied, you little.
	Oh, let me do a loophole.
	Can I divorce her?
	No, you got to pick one, dude.
	You got to pick one.
	I just, I told you who I would pick, and I told you why I would pick her.
	Because you could divorce her?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Okay, wait, hold on.
	Let me.
	Okay, just curious.
	I'll engage with that a little bit, but I'm not going to let you get away from this, Andrew.
	So, okay.
	Andrew.
	Sorry, ladies.
	So, but you have to consummate the marriage.
	Yeah, then I consummate the marriage and then divorce.
	Andrew, I can't.
	You would have carnal knowledge of an obese feminist.
	The crucible.
	The crucible.
	Clip that, clip it, then ship it.
	Andrew will have carnal knowledge of an obese pink-haired feminist who smells.
	I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
	Clip it and ship it.
	That's not what you said.
	You said consummate.
	Isn't consummate?
	Isn't that?
	Well, no, sir.
	The night of your wedding, if you can't get it up, you are still consummating that marriage.
	Okay, you know what?
	You have to.
	I tried to give you all these conditionals that you could have changed, you know?
	You're being a little bit of a divorce.
	You said consummate, Brian.
	Not have to have sex with.
	Let me just Google consummate.
	Hold on, you trickster.
	Let me just make sure.
	Consummate.
	Make.
	Andrew, you little trickster.
	Okay, I Googled this.
	Make a marriage or relationship complete by having sexual intercourse.
	And then go to go to definite.
	Dephanyan 2.
	You know what?
	Definitely N2.
	No.
	No, because I'm happy with definition one.
	And I'm.
	Yeah, no, go to Definy New.
	No.
	Andrew.
	No.
	This is the agreed-upon definition of this word.
	Well, there's multiple agreed-upon definitions of the word, which is why there's multiple definitions, Brian.
	This is the accepted definition by the broader public.
	It's one definition, yes.
	Well, they're not going to be able to do it.
	And this was the definition of the money.
	You never get married to a woman if you can't get it up.
	Andrew, I used to be.
	How do you consummate such a marriage if you can't get it up?
	No, but make complete by having sexual intercourse.
	Sure, but how, but wait a second.
	So you're saying any marriage, any marriage where the guy can't get it up, it's not consummated according to definition one.
	Technically, if you can, if you don't have sexual intercourse, technically, according to this definition, that is correct.
	It would not be consummated.
	If you have a different definition, that's fine.
	But I'm using definition one.
	Well, and I'm going to go with definition one.
	I'm going to grant definition one in its entirety.
	Granted.
	What is sexual intercourse?
	Does that mean vaginal penetration?
	Andrew, do I need to bring you back to health class here?
	Yes.
	Well, it means vaginal penetration.
	For the purposes of the Andrew, you're being a little shocked.
	I want to make sure.
	If it's vaginal penetration, I'll just grant it, Brian.
	Can we stop with the pedantry?
	Okay, okay.
	You know what?
	You're being pedigree.
	I'm just going to say it's vaginal penetration.
	Well, then, entailed in your scenario, this woman, we would never be able to consummate our marriage because I would never be able to get it up.
	Therefore, we could never get married.
	I'm trying to give you all the bones in the world here, Brian.
	Oh, but hold on.
	Viagra?
	Sildanophil?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, we're going to.
	We're forced.
	You get forced Viagra, Andrew.
	Yeah, so this is why it's very important that we get into the details.
	Does the man have to ejaculate for it to be consummated?
	No, he doesn't.
	He doesn't have to ejaculate according to the definition.
	So basically, I just have to sit there while this beach whale rides me, and then I never have to bow to a bitch the rest of my life.
	Yeah, I'm fucking taking that deal.
	I'm divorcing that chick the next day.
	But you don't get another woman.
	You don't get another woman.
	I'm still divorcing that chick the next day, and I'm going to become a monk.
	How about you can't divorce her, and you got to smash once a week?
	Wait, so I have to have sex with this chick once a week?
	Yeah.
	Like, wait.
	So under the hypothetical, right?
	I just want to make sure I get this right.
	Either I bow to a woman or I have to be with the most heinous whale person who's ever existed and be put on Viagra and have sex with her once a week.
	Now, hang on.
	I just want to make sure.
	Remember, I told you earlier we were talking.
	I said, does any of this have to do with coercion?
	And if there's coercion, I'll always say yes.
	Brian, how the fuck is this not coercion, sir?
	You might have got me there, but.
	Yeah, that's coercion.
	So yes, under coercion, under absolute coercion, yes.
	Tell you what.
	But that's totally coercion.
	Change it.
	Let's change it a little bit.
	Okay, Andrew.
	So you don't have to have sex with her, but that's your wife, and you can't divorce her, and you have to stay with her.
	Okay.
	Hang on.
	And all conditions stay the same.
	Andrew, just, oh my, Andrew.
	I just want to make sure.
	All conditionals stay the same.
	All external conditionals stay the same.
	Look, I get it.
	You want a fat feminist.
	I get it, dude.
	I fucking get it, dude.
	Hang on.
	If all conditionals stay the same, then I would still take her, and then I would go to a different country, and then I would come back without her.
	Different country.
	Mm-hmm.
	I mean.
	She would get lost in the jungle, you know?
	You'd murder her.
	No, I didn't say that.
	Oh.
	I mean, what?
	I'm sorry, Brian.
	Am I willing to do something bad when I'm forced by a genie to marry a fat, heinous feminist who I have to force to have sex with every week?
	Oh, Andrew, you would do something about that.
	Oh, what a terrible guy.
	First off, to be fair, to be charitable, you wouldn't have to go to another country.
	You could just go for a walk in the woods in Michigan.
	Okay.
	I didn't say, well, okay, the reason I would go to another country is because I renounce my U.S. citizenship and then divorce her in that country.
	That's why I asked if all things would be equal, Brian.
	Andrew, this is so bad faith.
	It's so bad.
	It's so bad faith.
	So bad faith.
	Okay, so last question.
	And the girls are, I got to get the girls back.
	Okay.
	Well, we gave them a nice break anyway.
	Yeah, you know, they've had a chance to recharge here.
	Okay, final question.
	So the choices between these two women, you can't go, you can't bring the woman into the jungle or the swamp or whatever.
	I don't know.
	You got to stay with them.
	Yeah, you got to stay with them.
	You can never find another woman, even if I give you the grant, the whole divorce thing, whatever.
	You can't get another woman.
	And this is assuming you don't have kids.
	Almost perfect.
	The woman I described previously.
	Or the woman.
	Yeah, I'm taking the woman that I can get the divorce from.
	I'm not bowing my head to a woman.
	And then that's the end of your bloodline?
	Yeah, even if it meant for all future men that they could always take a look at this one stupid asshole from Michigan who took the worst deal possible and made sure he would not fall on his own sword so that he would not have to bow to a woman.
	And all men took their lead from that forevermore, I would take that deal, yes.
	You know, Andrew, do you remember earlier on in the conversation when the women over here were saying, I'm going to be better looking when I'm 70?
	Andrew, that's you.
	That you're going to be better looking when I'm 70?
	No, the level of deluge.
	I'm sorry, you don't.
	You sound that's ridiculous, Andrew.
	Just true.
	No, I think they take thousands of dollars.
	All right.
	This information was brought to you by Bank University.
	Become the monster debater today.
	Yeah, let's pull it up.
	Let's pull it up.
	All right, guys.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Brian, Brian, Brian, I'm dying a hero, Brian.
	I'm dying a hero.
	I'm not bowing the head to no fucking.
	I'm not doing it.
	I'm not ever going to bow my head to a woman.
	You know what?
	I've gone 40 years without bowing my fucking head to a woman.
	And no matter how many genie bottles you come up with, I'm going to find the flaw in that contract.
	I ain't bowing my fucking head to one now.
	All right.
	Hey, you know, look, it is what it is.
	If you guys want, go, if you want to learn how to become a master debater, you guys have to go to debateuniversity.com.
	It's a course by Andrew Wilson, Verbal Combat.
	You know, look, I know that it's a good course.
	It's a good course.
	80 plus videos, six plus hours of content.
	If you want to learn how to become a master debater like Andrew, how you just saw him master debate, he master debated all over the place.
	You got to get the course.
	It said debateuniversity.com.
	Now, hang on.
	You can tell that Brian has also taken a course in master debating, as he has been master debating better than I've ever seen him master debate this fine evening on whatever.
	So I must admit, you have really improved in your master debating skills, sir.
	Thank you.
	I'm a journeyman master debater, but I'm hoping to one day get to like, you know, like artisan level master debating.
	So thank you, Andrew.
	It's all, and a lot of all, you know, a lot of credit to you, you know, because, you know.
	All right, let's get back.
	I guess we got it back to the show.
	Yeah.
	Can we open the door a little bit?
	I'm getting a little sweaty here, you know?
	It ain't easy going up against the king.
	You know, if you're gonna, you're gonna, what's that saying?
	Like, if you're gonna step to the step to the king, you gotta have your have your what's that?
	Come on, somebody.
	We don't know.
	Damn, bro.
	The thing about take if you're gonna if you're gonna scuffed, just hide it in, hide it in OBS, hide it in OBS, Stream Yard.
	No, sources, sources, sources.
	Scroll up, scroll up, scroll.
	Okay.
	You can fix it now.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Sorry, guys, we had a little technical glitch there.
	Okay.
	Would you bow to a man?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	No.
	Bruh.
	It's crazy, dude.
	It's crazy.
	You know what's crazy?
	Wait, I have a question for you.
	You will work a job, right?
	Yes.
	So if your boss tells you five times a week, I want you to commute 30 hours in a car and then come to work and show up at 8 a.m., will you do it?
	So for me personally, I want to be an entrepreneur, so that wouldn't really work with me.
	You don't have a job right now?
	No.
	Can you envision yourself in some scenario where you would end up having a traditional job?
	I can envision it.
	Okay.
	Do you realize most people will have a job where they have a boss?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So here, maybe I should ask somebody else.
	Anybody here have a job?
	You got a job?
	Yeah.
	What's your job?
	Optometrist assistant.
	Okay.
	You got a job?
	Yes, I do.
	You're a server, right?
	Yes, I'm a server.
	Ah, okay.
	And you work full-time?
	Yeah, for restaurants, yes.
	And then your boss says, show up at this time, doesn't he?
	Yeah.
	He says, show up at times that maybe you don't prefer, right?
	Yeah.
	Early in the morning?
	Well, you're serving me.
	No, I'm a server.
	I'm doing evenings.
	But I know what you mean.
	Can I ask the panel question?
	What's the earliest a boss has ever told you, I need you here at this time?
	What's the earliest ever?
	6 o'clock in the morning.
	6 a.m.
	5:30.
	5:30 a.m.
	3 a.m.
	3 a.m.
	Okay.
	And if your boss says, hey, move that over there, has a boss done that to you before?
	Yeah.
	Hey, I need to move that.
	Put it over there.
	Can you move that?
	Has that.
	Like, if, yeah, if she requests me to do something.
	Hey, can you move this over here?
	Maybe they'd say it more politely, but they ask you to do it, right?
	Do you do it?
	Yes.
	And you, uh, any other undesirable tasks that the boss has asked you to do?
	Hmm.
	Is this to me?
	Or to anyone, I thought.
	How about everything that you do for work is something you otherwise wouldn't do, but you're being given money to do it, pretty much, right?
	Yeah.
	That's why we work.
	Unless you have a job that you like.
	So I guess to wrap up the submissive conversation, I know we've lingered on it for a while, but so women were submissive to their husbands, but you've now traded this to be submissive to an employer.
	And I would argue that employer is going to ask much more of you than your husband ever will.
	Thoughts?
	I think the big difference is like the relationship or relationships in general are personal and the job for me is not personal.
	You know what I mean?
	If like my boss asks me something, I don't know.
	Even if my boss yells at me, I don't like.
	You know what I mean?
	It's a different, like a relationship is different.
	The intimacy is different.
	You know what I mean?
	So like the implication is different.
	Like what my boyfriend's going to tell me is going to affect me way more than what my boss tells me.
	Tell me.
	Can I ask you a question?
	So you said you would not bow for your perfect man, correct?
	And you're a perfect man.
	Would he be a billionaire?
	No.
	Oh, trillionaire.
	I'm sorry.
	So my, are you asking for my ideal person?
	No, yeah, your perfect man.
	Would he be a trillionaire?
	No.
	Why not?
	My definition of perfect isn't about what's on the outside.
	It's not surface level.
	So just to be clear, you would not desire to date a trillionaire?
	I just, so what are you?
	I feel that everyone's definition of perfect is very different.
	I mean, if I could ask for everything, sure, I would enjoy for him to have some money, but it wouldn't be like, I don't need that much.
	It's not perfect to me.
	I would do a lot more than bow to marry a trillionaire, but okay.
	You realize the amount, like.
	Wait, what else would you do?
	Oh, Andrew, let's not start.
	Wait, what else would you do to marry a trillionaire besides just bow, Brian?
	Andrew, I will.
	Do you realize that's like a thousand-year dynasty?
	That kind of generational wealth that it give me the fucking apron, bro.
	You want me to cook?
	I'm fucking cooking.
	Andrew, wait, we talked about this.
	Remember, like a couple weeks ago?
	I think, didn't we say?
	I don't know if I ever know such conversations.
	No, we no, I think you even said, oh, yeah, if I could marry a woman who's a billionaire, I would.
	There's gaslighting.
	No, you said it.
	You said it.
	Gaslighting.
	You said, dude.
	Oh, gaslighting.
	Very feminine, Brian, trying to gaslight me into previous conversations.
	Supposedly happened weeks ago.
	They have zero evidence of, but okay, Brian, that's fine.
	It's not a woman thing.
	That's men do that a lot.
	Gaslighting?
	Everybody does it.
	Men don't gaslight.
	Come on.
	I didn't say that.
	I said everybody does it.
	Men do it too.
	I'm getting off topic here, but okay, so trillionaire?
	Not perfect.
	He would have all the other traits that would make him perfect, right?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So he says, hey, I'm a trillionaire.
	You don't need to do this tarot card reading bullshit.
	I want you to stay at home and you don't have to worry about anything.
	I'll pay for everything.
	Everything will be taken care of.
	So my perfect man would respect that I have a passion or a hobby and would actually want to support me on creating a business for myself.
	What's the purpose of a business?
	Some people enjoy.
	Hold on, no, no, no, hold on.
	What's the purpose of a business?
	For making money.
	To make money, right?
	Okay.
	He has a trillion dollars.
	Right.
	You don't need to make money.
	My objective is not to make money if I'm passionate about something.
	You're passionate about tarot card and selling it.
	Can't you do tarot card.
	So but, but here's the trade-off, you don't get to do your tarot card thing and you get to marry a billionaire who's perfect.
	You, that's kind of like almost sacrificing my own wants and needs just for a perfect relationship which we clearly differ from what we want.
	Wait, can I ask you a question?
	If I paid you a million dollars right now to shave your head, would you do it?
	No oh, my god.
	But a billion dollars, would you do it?
	Sure yes, but not not for a million.
	Okay, I actually reacted a little bit.
	So yes, I would do it for a million dollars, for one thousand thousand dollars.
	One thousand dollars?
	I would not.
	No no, one thousand thousand, a million yeah, I mean, I said I accidentally, you know, reacted too quick, so I okay, she'll do it for a million.
	Okay, I don't know, I was just curious.
	I've always been curious about that.
	Any girl who would not shave their head for a million dollars, I mean, it'll grow back within a few years and you can get a wig, you can get a really nice wig.
	I mean I can't imagine like any anyone who's intelligent assuming like look, if you were a billionaire, maybe I could see like eh, i'm not gonna take the million.
	Or you have I don't know 10 20, 30 million dollars.
	Why would you not take the million?
	I'd take it, I know you wouldn't, and then i'd shave my head.
	I mean it'll hang all right, get the razor.
	She's like, she's like cheese Brian.
	I'm a troll, but i'm a smart troll.
	Go get the razor blade.
	Get the razor.
	Um okay, um.
	So you wouldn't give up the tarot card thing for a trillionaire, who's perfect.
	But how would that be perfect to me if that's not the ideal kind of life that I want?
	It's like a hypothetical so it's like would you the they're the best person?
	But there's this one downside.
	It's not just like a little downside for me, because it's something that consists of my entire life, almost.
	It's my passion, it's a part of my spirituality, it's something that I want to constantly learn more about.
	So for me to just give that up because someone wants me to is a big sacrifice.
	I thought you were.
	Are you religious at all?
	Or just spirit?
	I am religious.
	Which religion Christian?
	Oh, Andrew's gonna love this.
	Get one sec Andrew okay, so we can really get into this.
	But so hold on.
	So you're Christian.
	What denomination?
	Well, i'm still kind of figuring that out for myself, because I have went through some sort of religious trauma And I've developed a more closer connection.
	Religious trauma.
	Well, I'll let Andrew jump in here in just a sec.
	So you're a Christian.
	You claim to be a submissive woman.
	Wouldn't the submissive thing be if your ultra-wealthy husband said, I don't want you.
	And he's Christian.
	And he's like, well, I believe you practicing tarot cards is, I don't know the specific word.
	Is it a blasphemy or is it like a what is it, Andrew?
	It's not like kosh or not copacetic.
	It's definitely a heresy.
	Heresy, thank you.
	He's like, that's heretical.
	You're a Christian.
	I'm a Christian.
	I'm also a trillionaire.
	I don't want you practicing tarot cards anymore.
	Do you do it?
	For me, I.
	Okay, so my relationship with God is much more important than my relationship with my husband, who's a trillionaire.
	So for him to, I guess, make that or try to put that belief onto me is.
	Tarot cards.
	The hill you die on is tarot cards.
	It's not even about just the tarot cards.
	I also have a sense of my own pride.
	Wait.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Andrew, before I have you, I know you want.
	Wait, what the fuck?
	What happened here?
	What the dis.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I have a question for you.
	Would you want your boyfriend or husband to take a bullet for you?
	Look at that.
	Just hide it.
	I mean, I would do it for him, so maybe yes.
	Like my husband.
	You'd want him to take a bullet for you?
	Yes.
	Bro, these girls literally want you to die and provide for them, but they won't bow.
	They won't give up some heresy.
	They won't give up.
	Tarot.
	She won't.
	She wants her husband to take a bullet for her, but she won't give up her tarot cards.
	Make it make sense.
	I got to take a smoke break.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, I just wonder if you can help me out with a couple of things.
	So I'm not going to beat you up.
	I understand.
	Yeah, I was just going to ask you a couple of quick questions.
	I understand that you could be quite new to your faith.
	Is that what's going on?
	Sorry, what did you say?
	Are you new to your faith?
	I wouldn't say that.
	It's Emma.
	It's Emma, right?
	Irene.
	Is that your name?
	What's that?
	Irene.
	Irene.
	Okay, sorry.
	You're new to your faith, Irene?
	I'm rediscovering it.
	Okay, gotcha.
	Just so you know, in tarot, I just want to ask you just a quick question.
	Do you use tarot to figure out kind of future events or current events?
	No, I do not.
	Or current events, in a sense, yes, but I never use it to predict the future.
	I don't do any predictive readings.
	It's much more of a tool to kind of get the general idea of what's going on.
	And do you have a spirit guide?
	Well, I wouldn't say a specific spirit guide.
	I do pray to God before I start my tarot readings.
	Yeah.
	And when you're looking at tarot cards for current events, do the tarot cards ever lead you in such a way where you know what current events are or give you some type of insight into them?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Leviticus 19, 26, do not practice divination or seek omens.
	Hang on, you're doing both things.
	You're seeking omens and practicing divination.
	Divination would just be trying to figure out currently what is going on through some type of externality, which is other than God.
	That would be divination, and then omens would be the exact same thing, right?
	You're looking at the cards for omens of what will happen or has happened or is happening.
	So I have done a lot of research on this because of a lot of people who have a lot of controversial opinions when it comes to tarot.
	And my argument is that when people have maybe, I wouldn't, maybe like Christian people wouldn't call it mediumship abilities, but gift from God and ability to see more than, I guess, like other people who may not be considered, I wouldn't say like I'm chosen or anything, but there are those kinds of people within the Bible.
	So would that be considered the same thing or not?
	Like to be able to use your gift that was given to you.
	There's a distinct difference between revelation and utilizing tarot cards, which would be external to God's revelation, right?
	Because it's a tool?
	Yeah, well, what tools are.
	Let me ask you something.
	Where do you get the idea for what divine authority is?
	What is that to you?
	Is that just God?
	To me, divine authority is belief in a higher power and having faith in a higher source.
	Okay, for you, is that Jesus Christ?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And so you are beholden to Christ's word and you believe that Christ is God, right?
	So if Christ is God, you have to admit that this is the God of the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, correct?
	Yeah, so if that is the case, Leviticus 20, 27, a man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death.
	They shall be stoned with stones.
	Their blood shall be upon them.
	Does it sound like they want to see any divination, witchcraft, anything like that?
	Okay, so I have read that verse many times, and it's just a bit hypocritical and ironic when a lot of people are able to just pick and choose which verses that they want to use to be able to judge other people.
	But there are many Bible verses that mention how no one should be able to judge anyone but God.
	So I just feel it's which ones?
	Well, I can't, honestly, I don't have it at the top of my head.
	Yeah, you know what?
	The Bible actually instructs you the opposite way, that you're supposed to use righteous judgment, especially as a Christian, so that you can judge the fruits of what is a thing, right?
	How else would you know what is evil if you couldn't use judgment?
	How could you even know?
	How would you know what to stay away from and what was evil, what was bad if you couldn't use judgment?
	Okay, that's a good point, but I also don't think it's up to people to decide what is righteous.
	It's almost like having that belief.
	Then who is it up to?
	God.
	And then what did God instruct you not to do?
	I don't really want to argue about this because this is something that I'm still rediscovering within myself.
	And of course, I knew that there are going to be many people who pull Bible verses to come against me and my practice.
	But I mean, that is what I believe.
	And I don't think there's much up for argument there.
	So even if you were wrong, do you believe it anyway?
	I can't say that I'm wrong though.
	Okay, well, how do you know you're right?
	I'm not saying I'm right either, and that's why I'm telling you that I'm rediscovering this part of me with my connection.
	Well, who would you go to to determine if you were wrong or right when it came to spiritual matters?
	God.
	You're going to go to God and does God talk to you?
	I just pray to God I'm able to get more clarification that way.
	And if I do seek a mentor, then I will, a trusted mentor that I truly believe they have a really good connection to God as well.
	But how do you know that you don't suffer from affirmation bias?
	Where even though tons of people have told you that this is not Christianity, that you just choose not to believe them because you don't want to believe them?
	How do you know that that's not the case?
	I've gone through a lot of spiritual warfare, debating between if this is right or wrong.
	I've prayed many times about it.
	I truly believe that God does give gifts to people.
	I'm not saying like, oh, wow, I have like the ultimate gift here, but there are many people who have gifts from God.
	And it's my question is, what would make it wrong for them to use that gift?
	Nothing.
	Yeah, nothing would make it wrong for them to use a gift from God.
	But we are specifically instructed as what is and is not gifts from God.
	Tarot cards are not gifts from God, right?
	We are instructed in this in Leviticus, but also even in the New Testament, we're instructed in this multiple times by Christ's apostles.
	So I'm not saying there's anything wrong with any gifts from God.
	Why would I ever say that?
	I'm just telling you that we have 2,000 years of Christian history of every single saint who exists explaining that this is not the thing that you should ever gravitate towards.
	And even Protestants know that this is so.
	And why is it that you have decided you figured it out and all of them were wrong?
	I've been constantly telling you that I am still rediscovering this.
	What does that mean, though?
	Rediscovering it.
	When somebody corrects you, you don't take correction?
	How do you rediscover a thing if people who do the thing tell you this is the wrong thing and you go, well, okay, but let me rediscover it?
	Like, what does that mean?
	Rediscovery.
	What does that even mean?
	Just like you mentioned about having the righteous judgment, everyone should have their own free thought.
	So I'm not going to just allow for people to correct me and just go based on that.
	Well, then who's allowed to correct you?
	Whoever you think is correcting you based on your affirmation bias or confirmation bias?
	Who's allowed to correct you?
	Like, who's the person who's allowed to tell you, okay, what you're doing here is wrong, and here's all the proof?
	Who's the person who's allowed to do that?
	Just you?
	Are you the ultimate arbiter of what is Christian and what is not?
	Like, who is?
	I think the whole journey of spirituality and finding your journey.
	It's a journey.
	Everything's a fucking journey with.
	You're just finding the impartial opinion yourself, finding these things and allowing yourself to almost formulate your own free thought in relation to your connection to God.
	But I don't think that if.
	How do you know it's not a demon?
	How do you know that?
	How do you know you're not talking to a demon?
	How do you know it's not a demon who's chatting with you?
	I don't think a demon would be the one who leads me back to my faith in Christianity.
	Really?
	why not especially if you're let's assume for a second that you were utilizing such a bastardized form of christianity that you could not separate it from modern satanism and you just called it christianity Wouldn't a great deceiver convince you that a thing which was not Christianity was Christianity?
	So, how do you know that it's not a deceiver?
	I'm still figuring that out right now.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, I'll turn it over to Brian.
	All right.
	Oh, you know, two last things on the whole submissive conversation.
	We have a video to react to, but before we do that, I guess the point I was trying to make by asking you guys about, you know, what would you do for an employer?
	It's like the same girl who will work a brutal fast food job dealing with a boss, excuse me, barking orders, cleaning dirty dishes, the bathroom, shitty customers for like $15 an hour.
	But like, say a good guy comes into the picture who has the money to support her, a family, and make sure she never has to work a day in her life again.
	She doesn't want to bow.
	She doesn't want to cook.
	She doesn't want to clean, whatever it is.
	It's just confusing to me because it's like your husband's going to ask way less of you than your employer.
	You'll do all the cleaning, the cooking.
	An employer will ask you to do that if you're in like food service or something.
	A lot of women have experience, you know, in food waitressing or whatever it is.
	You'll do it for an employer, but you won't do it for your husband.
	And that's very confusing to me.
	Or take it further, if it's, you know, if we're not talking about like a job that's a bit more physical, you'll be submissive to your employer.
	That's a cold corporation, your boss, but you won't be submissive to a man who loves you and who you love back.
	I don't know.
	It's confusing to me.
	And the silence would indicate to me that I don't know if you guys agree.
	Like you've come to this realization that you've all submitted to your faceless corporation.
	You go work for Facebook or Google or whatever.
	They compensate you well.
	But at the end of the day, they tell you, be here at this time, do this, do that, sit in a chair, be good and obedient.
	If you don't, you lose the job.
	You get fired.
	You've traded your submission to men for the cold, heartless corporation.
	It's an interesting trade.
	Yeah, but the comparison is like, your comparison is like if you're with a man, well, that is your comparison, or you're with a man that makes you not have to work.
	That wasn't initially what you said.
	You just said the question was just, would you bow to your men?
	Sure.
	Well, I asked you.
	I added some extra details here.
	Yeah, yeah, but that's what I mean.
	Now it's changed.
	Now you're like, if you don't have to.
	And by the way, by this, through this conversation, I'm like, I don't think I, I don't know.
	I kind of changed my mind about the bow.
	I think.
	Oh, you're against the bow now.
	No, no, no, no.
	I was against it.
	And now I'm like, maybe it's not, like, maybe as a sign of, like, maybe it's not as bad as I thought it was initially.
	I always just think from my perspective, right?
	It's like, so, okay, let's say there's a guy, or I mean, I'll even like my own perspective.
	Like, if I'm making $2 million, $3 million a year and I want to date a submissive girl, and you could be my life partner, and I'll take care of everything you never have to work a day in your life.
	You just got to take care of me.
	And in fact, by helping me, you'll help me earn more money by taking some of the pressure off my life.
	So by freeing up time for me, I'm going to go out there and earn just because of you, because you're in my life.
	I'll go earn an extra half a mill a year because you're making my life easier and that enables me to work more and earn more.
	Yeah, I get that.
	You can do that as a woman, and I could come in your life and totally change it.
	Or you can work for $70K a year.
	Yeah, nine to five.
	Yeah, it depends.
	Be here at this time.
	Wake up at this time.
	But I mean, if that means, if like the money, first of all, like, personally, my value is not necessarily a super, super rich guy, but yeah, I would be happy to have.
	But like, my criteria is like, if the guy's a dick and then he makes a lot of money, then I wouldn't want to submit.
	But if, like, you know, what I need is a connection and what I need is like, I also need respect.
	But I also need to be able to be myself, to be authentic, and to do things that I love.
	If I'm not able to do the things that I love, like play music or the things that I love, really, that fills my soul, then what's the point of me being in a relationship if I can be myself and do things that I love and vice versa?
	Also, and I think you shouldn't have to use it.
	That's what I mean.
	No, because you said give up tarot, whatever.
	Well, she does it for a profession to make money.
	But she loves to do that.
	So, for example, she could have a day, she could work a full work week where she's got 10 new clients a day and she's doing a tarot reading for 10, 20 people a day, and that's a full-time job.
	Yeah, I didn't understand it as a job.
	I understood it just a hobby.
	Yeah.
	Like, she has to not do things that she loves.
	That's the only way I understand.
	I'm just thinking, like, if you could be involved with a guy that he makes a million dollars a year and you can be with him, or you can make $100,000 a year and be on your own.
	Like, I don't know.
	Well, there's just so many more elements.
	It's, you know, that's why it's like, you just tell me, like, a guy that's super rich and I don't have to.
	Sure, I would.
	I mean, yeah, I would love that.
	I think who wouldn't want to not have to work?
	I would actually always want to work.
	Really?
	Life without work.
	There's no challenge.
	It's boring.
	I personally think people who are like, stay at home.
	Well, we'll give you 10 years in the workforce.
	They're really strong.
	I could not do that.
	Go ahead, finish your point.
	Go ahead.
	I was saying that I would always want to work because I feel like I would just feel empty that I'm not pursuing something that I love.
	Do you want kids?
	I am still kind of debating on that.
	Well, let's leave that for a second.
	How old did you say you were?
	22.
	Yeah, give it a decade and then we'll see if you want to work or not.
	Give it a decade.
	Some people enjoy working.
	Give it a decade when you're working and you're grinding for 10 hours plus a day at your job and then we'll see if you want to keep working.
	Do you think there's guys who genuinely enjoy working?
	Like men?
	Do you think men genuinely don't enjoy it?
	I think that most men are hardwired for it and they absolutely enjoy it.
	But they don't have to go into the conflict that women do, the biological conflict of wanting to have a family and childbearing and nesting.
	Men don't have the same conflict.
	Women do.
	And the other thing is, is that even though I know men absolutely love to work, right, I think that they absolutely would love to work on their passion projects even more than working at a job for a boss.
	So if you were to say, okay, man, you're liberated with $5 million to pursue X, I think that they would choose that very quickly.
	Okay, but personally, I think even if I would want to have a child, you can childbear and then you go back to work if you really truly enjoy it.
	You think there's not a single woman in this world who really doesn't enjoy working?
	No, I would never say that there's not a single.
	I would never group anything in a monolith.
	I would say that most women, the majority, the vast, vast majority of women who've given the choice not to work or to work would choose not to work.
	Perhaps the majority.
	And I don't think, I don't think that that's true of men.
	I think that men would still choose to work, maybe not jobby jobs, but they would still choose to work.
	But no, I don't think most women would choose to work.
	And this bears out when you ask them if they would prefer to work or not work if they did not have to.
	Most of them say that they would prefer not to.
	So do you think?
	Because I always struggle to understand that because for me, I am like you say men are hardwired to want to work.
	I think that is true for a majority, but for me, as someone who I could not see myself just not doing anything, I constantly have to be on the go and well, I think we're speaking past each other, so maybe we can clarify some things.
	It wouldn't be that you aren't doing anything.
	But let me ask you a question.
	Let's take a girl who works at Subway and she says, I want to work, right?
	Okay.
	What the hell is the difference between her making a Subway sandwich for a customer and making a sandwich for her husband?
	I have never really understood that.
	You know what I mean?
	They're both work.
	It's just like, why would you want to go work for strangers instead of working for your family?
	I've never really understood that.
	It just seems illogical and nonsensical to me.
	I do understand that example.
	I think it just depends on occupation.
	Like for me, as someone who I wanted to be a lawyer, that's completely different.
	If you're, you know what I mean?
	If I would to be a submissive woman, my lawyer skills or my debating skills or problem solving would not be helpful at all when, you know, if I'm trying to be a submissive woman.
	Yeah, they would be extremely helpful.
	So you know why we need really smart women raising children?
	It's because I don't want really dumb women raising children.
	So all those women who have the capacity to be really, really good lawyers and doctors and things like this, who have those really high IQs, I'd rather see them at home teaching their children.
	That's where I'd rather see them for the next generation to turn out all of those great high IQs.
	I want those women having babies and I want them nurturing those babies and making the next high IQ generation, right?
	I don't want them wasted away in a cubicle.
	That seems silly to me.
	But that's not a waste, wasting away in their cubicle for them if that's what they truly love to do.
	I do understand.
	I mean, if you're someone who wants to have kids, if you're a woman who wants to work a high-occupation job and have kids, then for sure you've got to make some sacrifices at some point of the child's life when you're working that position.
	But again, it is possible, and I don't think you should put away your passion to raise a kid because that would...
	If you want to work, if that's what you feel like you're compelled to do and you don't actually want to do anything but that, fine.
	Nobody's saying that you can't do that, right?
	You can.
	And you have every right to.
	But for the vast, vast majority of women, the conflict does not come between I want to work or do not want to work.
	It comes between I have to work, but I'd rather have a family.
	That's the real conflict which comes up because we value education over family.
	That's what we do.
	That's why women get married in their 30s now because they want to have this social safety net, right?
	The safety net of something to fall back on.
	So the big conflict really doesn't come into play between women who just demand to be at work because they want to be there all day, but rather that they have to work because people have to work in modernity in order to make ends meet, right?
	But let me ask you this, now that I've kind of given you my view on this, do you think that if you went down the street and asked women, would you prefer to spend the rest of your life working or would you prefer early on to be able to settle down with a man who could provide for you that you loved?
	Which answer do you think they'd give?
	I mean, most likely they would want to have a family and settle down.
	Right.
	But all I'm saying is that.
	That's my whole point, right?
	And so, like, I would prefer a society where we made that easier for them to do that rather than a society which valued sending our best and brightest women not to carry the future generation of children, which only they could do, but rather to slave the workforce underneath a boss.
	That just seems insane to me.
	Right, so everything is about the choice.
	I just think that there shouldn't be that much societal pressure to have kids if you don't want to.
	You know what I mean?
	Why?
	Why shouldn't there be so?
	Why should there be so much societal pressure instead to value going to college, for instance, where useless degrees are handed out like they're candy?
	In fact, it's so bad the standards have gotten so low that anybody can do it.
	College can't be about rewarding the best and the brightest, or everybody couldn't get through college, but they can.
	And so the standards have necessarily lowered in order to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
	A high school diploma is the equivalency of a high school education just 70 years ago.
	So it's like, why shouldn't there be a national propaganda around a nuclear family and having children instead of national propaganda and wasting your youth and your childbearing years, going and getting a worthless degree that almost nobody ever uses?
	I'd like to know the answer to that question.
	Because if you know that your true passion is being in this whatever occupation job that is, and then you have a society pressuring you to have a kid and you feel like, oh, I have to do this, I have to sacrifice this.
	You're always going to regret not pursuing what you want to do.
	And that kid is going to know.
	That kid is going to know that you didn't do what you wanted to do.
	And that's what?
	I mean, what do you think sacrifice is about and patriotism?
	Do you think that many get drafted and have to go to war, right?
	That they don't look back and go, oh, I could have done X and I could have done Y and I could have done Z?
	There is such a thing as patriotism.
	There is such a thing in a nation as sacrifice for the nation.
	Why is this idea that everybody must endlessly pursue endless hedonism the best way instead of people pursuing what the greater good for the actual nation is?
	That seems way wiser to me if you're going to propagandize an entire country.
	Why not propagandize them towards procreation and having nuclear families and things which are really good for the health of the nation?
	Why not do that?
	So you, okay, so you're being that as a grand scheme of things instead of in a particular family.
	Because sometimes there are women and men who have kids and don't pursue something they wanted to do and that affects the family and that causes a generational trauma.
	Every human being on planet Earth has some pursuance that they weren't able to do.
	The whole world is filled with failed rock stars and failed artists and failed professionals of all kinds who chased a dream that they were not able to achieve.
	I mean, that's most people have some regret of something they weren't able to do.
	This kind of idea of that because people have kind of unachievable goals, that we shouldn't kind of move society towards these achievable things, which most people can do, which have proven time and time again to increase the happiness levels of almost everybody around.
	That still seems way better to me.
	Okay, so you think for the greater good, it is important to pursue something that you don't want, even if that's going to make you and your family miserable?
	Possibly.
	Well, so this is loaded.
	Recognize how you said this, right?
	If it necessarily was going to make people's families miserable, how could it be for the greater good?
	That makes no sense.
	So if it was for the greater good, the most amount of people would find it useful, and the most amount of people would find this to be something which they would want to pursue.
	Or it couldn't be for the greater good, right?
	It couldn't be.
	I'm speaking of.
	Like, how could it?
	You know what I mean?
	I mean, you were speaking about Greater Good, and the way I understood you were speaking about a nation and perhaps even a world, how it would work better in a world.
	But then there are going to be those really unhappy families who just did this because that was the societal pressure.
	I mean, that's always going to be the case.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, but we're not going to.
	You would never, in a million years, for instance, you would never say that there are going to be some people on planet Earth who perform better when they're doing drugs.
	There are.
	There's going to be some people who do.
	You would never say everybody should be able to do drugs because some people who do drugs perform better than others and have regrets they never did drugs.
	Does that even make sense?
	Would you ever say that in a million years?
	Of course not.
	I don't think.
	Of course not.
	But I don't think drugs would affect anyone positively, to be honest with you.
	No?
	No, wait a second.
	Caffeine doesn't affect people.
	Hang on, wait, hang on.
	Caffeine and sugar doesn't affect people positively?
	Oh, that's what I was about to say, unless you're talking about those things and like...
	You mean drugs?
	Like, do you mean something that was prescripted or just you're going to go even prescriptive as well?
	There's all sorts of, like, for instance, you say you think narcotics like painkillers, which are highly addictive, aren't highly useful to society?
	Of course they are.
	And so, like, this idea that, oh, wait a second, because some people would have preferred to have been on those drugs that we can't regulate or propagandize against them, that's insanity.
	It's the same thing at the national level.
	This idea of endless hedonism and individualism with absolutely no thought to the greater society at whole is pure female solipsism.
	Men seem to understand this very well.
	And the men I talk to go, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
	We probably should move towards those things.
	But when you look at voting patterns, that's what those things move to.
	Patriotism, nuclear family, anti-degeneracy, that's what men vote for.
	Women vote purely around solipsism and let me do what I want, which is just crazy to me.
	If everyone understands that this is the optimal option, why do you think, especially in this day and age, there's so many people who disagree with that?
	Okay, I'm going to give you the answer, and you're not going to like it for one reason, one reason only, because of women's suffrage.
	Women's suffrage absolutely destroyed the United States of America, and women's voting patterns prove it.
	And the truth of the matter is, is that women vote, vote mostly against risk-taking.
	And because they vote mostly against risk-taking, they impede on people's freedoms.
	And so, individual people, men especially, who had the opportunity to vote out illegal immigration, keep the country exactly how they wanted it to be, that was all completely destroyed by female suffrage.
	Men, if only men had been able to vote in the United States of America right now, the United States of America would be beyond the glorious shining example on the Hill.
	It would be beyond that.
	And the voting patterns prove it.
	Every single time it's a vote for security over the freedom to actually pursue these higher values, women vote against it almost every single time.
	Okay.
	And that's what I think.
	I think that that's the primary problem.
	The primary problem is that the two sexes do not see eye to eye on what is valuable.
	And this is why I think that one's going to have to inevitably choose and it'll always move back that way.
	That all of this, what you see before you right now with egalitarianism, this will all reset eventually and it'll just go back to primitivism and it'll be in charge anyway.
	Andrew, you're going to get canceled if you're talking like that, Andrew.
	You know, you got to be careful.
	You're going to get canceled, my friend.
	I don't think so.
	I think I've never actually, you know who knows this better than anybody?
	Feminist theorists know this better than anybody else.
	Feminists are the ones who came up with force doctrine.
	I just borrowed it from them.
	They were the ones who understood that men at any time collectively could take charge and there was very little women could do.
	Feminists theorized all of this.
	They knew all of this years and years before I was ever born, hundreds of years before I was born, in fact.
	Almost 200 years before, in fact.
	It's their own writings that I go off of.
	They insisted, the feminists insisted that women had the right to vote.
	But when it came to women voting for the right to vote, they wouldn't let them do it because every time women had the opportunity to vote on their own voting rights, they voted against it.
	Every single time.
	I do have to move things on.
	We've been on this for a bit, but we do have one, the video, and then a couple reactions.
	Austin?
	We'll do the video first.
	The video I sent you private chat.
	It's just the one we reacted to, I think, last week.
	Wait, what?
	Stop, stop, Can you show us, please?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Away with everything under the last boss, and it wasn't good for me at all.
	So I want guidance.
	I want leadership.
	But don't just like boss me around, you know?
	Like, lead me.
	Lead me when I'm in the mood to be led.
	Does that resonate with any of you?
	So you want, I mean, he's talking in the workplace, but like, this is what I see when women say they want a masculine man, dominant man, a man who's a leader, who has leadership characteristics, who takes initiative.
	You want all these traits, but you want to pick and choose.
	You want the man to be able to turn that shit on with a light switch.
	You only want him to be a leader in some context.
	In other contexts, you want him to be a good, submissive boy, pat him on the head.
	Good boy.
	It's just interesting.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't think anything is black or white generally.
	You know, I think it's very nuanced.
	Well, it's true.
	Like, you, I mean, if you want to talk about things like that, relationships, like, it just isn't.
	It isn't.
	It's like.
	No, but it's not.
	It's two humans.
	They're very complex.
	No, it doesn't have to be just one way or just the other way.
	Like, you have two people.
	It's very complex.
	And first of all, I think that like you have masculinity and like femininity, let's say.
	And everyone's kind of like there on the spectrum, kind of, right?
	So everyone's going to find someone that's like complimentary to them.
	No, but like you, if you ask most women, like they want a guy to take the lead, to take charge.
	Yeah.
	In the dating context, you want the guy to make pretty much all the moves.
	Like I didn't agree that we made a contradictory.
	I agree with that.
	I know what you mean.
	And you want a man.
	Oh, like you see these memes.
	Like, I want a guy who's going to say, be ready at 7 p.m.
	I'm going to pick you up.
	We're going here.
	Y'all want that.
	But then you also kind of don't want, like, it's, they're totally mixed signals.
	And then also, you say you want a leader, but like, you don't want to follow is the big thing.
	In order for somebody to be able to lead, if you want a man who's a leader, you got to be a follower.
	There is no, we can't both be the leader.
	You don't think you can sometimes be, sometimes not be?
	You don't think it can kind of like move around?
	You can, but if you want the man to be a leader, I don't really think you can.
	If that's what you want, yeah.
	If that's what you, like, yeah, there can be some dynamics like that.
	Yeah.
	But if you want, broadly speaking, and I think women broadly speaking want men to be leaders.
	Yeah, what you're saying is like they're contradictory with themselves.
	On a sort of biological evolutionary level, you're attracted to men who are leaders, who are confident, who take initiative, who are masculine, who are dominant, who have those leadership traits.
	But feminism has put it into your mind not to be a follower.
	So you won't be submissive.
	You won't follow his lead.
	But you want him to be a leader.
	You want him to take the initiative.
	You want him to lead, but you won't follow.
	Be the leader, but I won't follow you.
	Doesn't make sense.
	That doesn't work.
	If you want a leader, somebody's got to be the follower.
	And I can't lead with somebody who won't follow.
	Yeah.
	But it doesn't mean that you must not have an opinion.
	Because sometimes it doesn't mean that you must not have an opinion.
	Like you're still in a relationship, right?
	Like I understand your synergy of like followers and a leader.
	But in any leader, follower, you still have, you're still going to have discussions.
	You're still going to.
	Just earlier you said, well, that's just weird.
	That's just not being human.
	Hold on.
	If I'm the CEO of a corporation and I give a task to an employee, the employee should not be like...
	So that's how you want your woman to be?
	You're a CEO and you just...
	No, I'm using an analogy to better articulate the point.
	So my, no, not an employee, but yeah.
	Yeah, you're using the analogy because that's the- If she wants me to pay for the first date and do all this shit and be a leader, and she never approaches guys, she wants to be approached.
	She wants me to take the lead in every realm.
	She wants me to plan dates, everything, then yeah.
	Then yeah, she must not have an opinion.
	Then you should probably listen to what I say.
	But if you want to, ladies, if you want to start sliding into my DMs and hitting me up and paying for first dates and doing all this shit and moving things forward physically and sexually, then we can have a conversation about who should listen and who should be a follower, who should be a leader.
	I don't see how that equates to like not having an opinion, not like you.
	You can have an opinion.
	Yeah, that's what I mean.
	Even earlier you said someone that doesn't quarrel.
	It's like, that's not a relationship.
	You're going to have quarrels.
	I'm not saying there's always going to be discussions.
	You're always going to have like two humans.
	No, there should be no quarreling.
	Well, whatever you want to call it, but like you're never going to want someone who's always going to agree with you.
	First of all, I would want to be challenged personally.
	I would want my ideas to be challenged.
	I would want my boyfriend to want to be challenged so that we can like find, because for me, okay, what I need.
	They're different, though.
	Men and women are different.
	They are.
	They are.
	Yeah.
	So, but you guys, no, but you are, but I mean, if you talk about men, let's say like you talk about.
	Wait, I got to respond to the you want to be challenged in a relationship.
	I don't, most men, we contend with the world in our lives, right?
	The home has to be our piece, right?
	Yeah.
	If the home is not our recluse, if the home is not our piece, and you're quarreling and nagging and just constant, constant conflict because you're challenging us.
	That's not a good girlfriend.
	That's not a good boyfriend.
	No, I under.
	Well, that's the thing.
	That's not a good boyfriend either.
	And I get that because my ex was kind of like that.
	But I'm saying, like, you're going to bump heads sometimes.
	You're not going to always, you know, like, I'm just saying it's going to happen, but there's a difference between that and like, yeah, always like creating problems, always creating conflicts.
	I get that, but that's for everybody.
	Nobody wants to be in a relationship.
	Like, you know, you don't want a guy like that.
	You don't want a girl like that either.
	Okay.
	That's just a given.
	But you like to just want someone to constantly agree with you.
	It's like when you want, you don't want to know if you're wrong about something, or maybe you have to think something through a bit further, or like maybe there are other options, or maybe perhaps if you don't mind, I would like to just ask you two very simple questions.
	The first is, you yourself personally, would you prefer to have a man who treated you more like an equal or who treated you more like he was in the dominant role and you were to be a submissive follower?
	Which would you personally prefer?
	There's no wrong answer.
	Yeah, I'm not even 100% sure because I haven't had a lot of relationships and I've had bad ones.
	So I and I'm being honest.
	It's not that I don't want to answer.
	I'm just not sure what the synergy I would want to be in.
	Okay.
	So maybe the second, let me ask you the second question, as I understand your answer to the first that you're not sure.
	Do you think that most men would prefer their women to be in a submissive position or a dominant one?
	No, it's submissive.
	But again, I think what I'm saying.
	Yeah, right.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I agree.
	I agree that I think most men would prefer their women in a submissive role.
	And you agree with me that most men would prefer their woman in a submissive role.
	I think so, yeah.
	If that is true, then if you look for an equal role where you say, okay, wait a second, we're equals.
	It's not submission.
	Don't you necessarily narrow the field of men for yourself by an incredible amount, right?
	Yeah, possibly, yeah.
	So when Brian says, this it always sounds bad rolling off the top because we're so indoctrinated into egalitarianism.
	We're all interchangeable widgets and everybody's equal to everybody else.
	Clearly, though, you have a bit of life experience.
	You know that that's not true.
	So the question then becomes: can't you value a person's opinion, but at the same time dismiss it?
	Can't you say, I value what you're saying, but you're wrong, and I'm going to do this anyway because that's what's for the greater good of our family.
	Can't you value an opinion and dismiss an opinion?
	If like a message comes in, there was something covering a motion.
	You can go to the split.
	No, you're good.
	You're good.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, what?
	Did something?
	No, he doubted.
	Oh.
	I don't know why he's there.
	Oops.
	Can you guys hear me?
	Yeah.
	We can't see you.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I was.
	Something happened?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I just lost all audio.
	Oh, weird.
	So I was just, the end of my question is: can't you, at the same time, you value an opinion, you value an opinion, dismiss it?
	Yeah, I don't see the logic in dismissing an opinion that I value.
	If I value your opinion, I'm going to think about it.
	I'm going to understand.
	I value the opinion of my children, but I dismiss the opinions of them all the time, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I don't understand.
	But as grown-ups, as two grown-ups, how is that illogical?
	Well, that's a completely different scenario.
	You're talking about kids because kids are kids and because adults are adults.
	Wait, wait, wait, hang on.
	My question to you was: Can you value an opinion and dismiss the opinion that you value?
	You said, No, that's illogical, but I just showed you how that's not illogical.
	Okay, yeah.
	But how do you, the way you value your kids' opinion is like, you know, that kids are, you know, kids.
	And they, it's, yeah, it's different than the valuing of like your wife's opinion, right?
	We can agree with that.
	But hang on, hang on, let's back up.
	But your concept's not saying, I'm not saying that a woman is a kid.
	I was just giving you a comparison, a very quick comparison to show you how you could value an opinion while at the same time dismissing it.
	Yes.
	You say, okay, this is valuable, but I outright dismiss it.
	Even though I care about your opinion, it doesn't mean your opinion is going to be correct, right?
	I don't see why that couldn't be applied in intersexual dynamics between men and women.
	Of course, it can be.
	I guess, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So that's, I mean, that's what I'm saying is.
	Yeah.
	So if we're looking at this objectively, when Brian says to you, well, wait, I want a woman who's submissive.
	You say most men want a woman who's submissive.
	You say, but I want an opinion.
	Brian says, well, you should have an opinion, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to dismiss it.
	I don't see what you're actually disagreeing with.
	But I mean, I think it's the definition of value, too, like in the sense of like when I talk about valuing the opinion of like grown-up adults, it's like it's you value it because it's something that you can't actually like think about.
	And like, and again, it depends on situations, but like kids generally, like young kids, it's like they're you don't value it in something that can be, well, sometimes, yeah, it could be tangible.
	But anyways, yes, your concept, I get your concept.
	And yes, you can dismiss that.
	I get that.
	You completely value an opinion and dismiss the opinion at the same time that you value it.
	And so what I think happens, and this is just my opinion, but I think we have a lot of sloganeering where, especially under egalitarianism, we think a lot about the slogans of like, but my opinion matters.
	It's like, yeah, I think your opinion does matter, but that doesn't mean that it's going to matter in every situation or that it shouldn't be dismissed and dismissed often.
	Because here's the thing, you and I both know.
	You're 39.
	You're not particularly young, right?
	A lot of people have a lot of opinions that are fucking stupid, right?
	Like, isn't that true?
	They just have a lot of really dumb opinions.
	Yeah, of course.
	Yeah, so I mean, and don't you dismiss those opinions all the time?
	It's just being stupid.
	Yeah.
	But I think this conversation goes back to our earlier conversation: but then we assume that, like, because you're a man, then it's better.
	I think that's where.
	Well, then I'm going to ask you a couple other questions just to kind of figure this out, right?
	And see where this leads.
	Would you say, if you had to make the comparison, if you were on the spot, right?
	Gun to your head, which sex do you think is more logical and reasonable, men or women?
	Yeah, probably men.
	Okay, well then by this so then an entailment.
	Hang on.
	So then an entailment there.
	If you think that men are more logical and reasonable and you think that that is so, then why would my position of you should probably follow the logic and the reason be in any way disputed?
	It seems totally rational to me, right?
	Well, first of all, I just don't think all men are logical.
	I'm not saying all.
	No, I know.
	I know you're not.
	I know you're not.
	Yeah, nor am I saying that all women are not logical and rational.
	Yeah, men generally are more logical than women.
	And also, I don't think.
	Would you rather have a leader who is more logical and rational or more emotional?
	Yeah, of course, logical, rational.
	Yeah, but you need rational.
	So, men are more logical and rational.
	But you need both.
	You'd rather have a leader who is more logical and rational, and you think that men would prefer a submissive wife and you would prefer a leader, then it stands to reason to me that you would want the man to lead, right?
	Sure.
	I just my point is just I, the way sometimes you talk about the or men talk about it, it's as if, or like, yeah, it's as if like we shouldn't say anything if we like it's just it's just it's improbable to just be with another human and just expect them to just never say anything, never get into conflict, never like because that I think that that's uh I understand what you're saying, and to steel man it and you can correct me if I'm wrong.
	What you're saying is you hear a lot of rhetoric from different uh different places which say, Okay, we're gonna just utilize women as objects, their opinions don't matter, and they need to just do what the fuck they're told at all times, day and night, right?
	Something akin to that, yeah.
	If you go to the extreme, basically, of like what what we what or what women hear, I think, and I think that's the big problem.
	Yeah, but you know where they hear that from?
	They hear that from women, they hear that they hear it from feminist propagandists.
	Men don't say that, they don't say we hate women's opinion and we hate women and we want to all be abusive.
	They don't say that.
	What they say instead is, this is the role that I want, the role that I want for you.
	I don't really hear women or men ever producing the rhetoric that women's opinions don't matter.
	Rather, I hear feminist women claim that that's what men say, but I don't really hear men saying it.
	Warlord 69U who donated $99.
	Brian 07, Andrew, God bless you.
	Thank you for shining the light on everything that I used to be blind on.
	Question for the panel: What is the first thing you look for when visiting a new hotel?
	What?
	What the fuck?
	What?
	Bed bugs?
	Can we agree?
	Bedbugs?
	I mean, bed bugs.
	Hang on, hang on, Brian.
	Brian, wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, hang on.
	I got to turn this into something now.
	Okay.
	Brian, you have OCD, right?
	Yeah.
	Do you take a blacklight with you to hotels, Brian?
	No.
	No, but I bring my own pillow.
	No.
	I travel with my own pillow.
	Not, you know, maybe you got me thinking, maybe I got to bring my own sheets and shit, but that's a lot.
	And I will flip the mattress just to check for bedbugs, you know?
	That's smart, though.
	200 IQ.
	Yeah, that's smart.
	That's smart.
	Risk mitigation.
	Mitigating the risk.
	What are you doing?
	Fucking gang signs over there?
	What the fuck are you doing?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	She's throwing up something.
	I don't know.
	Well, in any case, I appreciated the convo.
	I thought it was a good back and forth.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Quick, quick follow-up on this.
	If you had to pick one, chivalry or equality.
	Chivalry?
	Well, you have to pick one.
	I think it's more nuanced than that.
	But you have to.
	Listen, if I have to pick the like huge lesbian peak-haired lunatic in my genie wish, you've got to pick one, okay?
	Because egality doesn't work either.
	I think both are.
	I would say, I think I would say chivalry.
	I think it would say chivalry.
	Me?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Just go ahead.
	Oh.
	That's a good question.
	I see the benefits of both.
	Why, deep down, I think chivalry.
	Mm-hmm.
	Equality.
	Now, to the women who said that you would prefer equality, I just wanted to kind of throw out what that would actually mean.
	All female privilege is gone.
	Men are no longer approaching you for dates.
	Men no longer slide into the DMs.
	Men are no longer paying for the dates.
	Men are no longer paying for anything.
	Men expect to be treated the exact same way that they treat women.
	They expect to be approached.
	They expect all of this.
	Would that change your value assessment at all?
	Not for me.
	No.
	Didn't earlier you said you want chivalry?
	But this is a question of this or?
	Sure.
	You want chivalry, but not at the expense of equality.
	Yes, I said I appreciate it.
	Okay.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	So you guys would be in favor of, for example, women being drafted in the military?
	If it comes down to it, I mean...
	would you guys but so for me i personally do believe that men are physically stronger than women I'm able to acknowledge these differences between genders.
	However, the question at hand was if I prefer this or that.
	So I chose equality.
	Yeah.
	You think that physical standpoint is something different.
	Yeah, but hang on, but hang on.
	No, no, no.
	You can't kind of slide out there.
	Because you're giving us a value judgment.
	You're saying between these two things, chivalry, meaning that men are giving you all of the privileges that women get in society that men generally give you, versus equality, meaning all those privileges are gone, but you can basically vote.
	That's about all you get, really.
	You can just vote.
	That's really all it is, right?
	There's really nothing else.
	I don't really know what else there would be, except you can just basically vote.
	So you get that, but everything else is basically equalized, including the draft.
	Including the draft.
	Like, you would have to get drafted at the same rates as men, fight in the front lines the same way as men.
	If such a war came to pass, World War III, and you were drafted, would you go?
	If that's my duty, yeah.
	Yeah?
	Would you let them strap you up with armor, send you to the front line?
	I mean, yeah, if I have to do something like that, I'll do it.
	You know, I think it's a good idea.
	And how do you think you would perform versus the men?
	I mean, like I said, I think there's a different physical capabilities for women and men.
	I do still, like she said, acknowledge biology and I understand that most women.
	But you would do worse.
	Huh?
	So you would do worse than the men?
	Most likely, if I'm not trained enough.
	Most likely you would do worse than the men.
	So, isn't it, doesn't it make more sense then, if men are supposed to be the fighting force and men are supposed to be people in those positions that you don't have to be in those positions, that they get additional privileges not you okay, but you're only bringing an example of like war situation, wars and situations, and I understand that men were the most important situation, the military possibly be more important than defending your nation against other nations.
	I couldn't even think of if, if I was on the hierarchy of scale of what a government is supposed to do, the top priority is going to be the protection of its citizens right right, of course.
	Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be warfare soldiers force Right, But do you, but what I'm speaking about is that don't you think that, for example, like there's two different things.
	There's an emotional and just your intelligence and what you're able to do in a workforce versus physical capabilities.
	So perhaps men are more optimal to fight and protect the country, but there are all of other things that women would be just as if not more optimal to do in a workforce.
	Yeah, what?
	I mean, women are really intellectual.
	Hang on, Aon.
	Let me caveat this.
	Other than reproduction, what is a woman going to ever be better at in any of these markets than a man?
	What?
	if you're speaking on generalities i i had that exact same question impression i'm pretty sure i mean i can't name you one but i think that you know so there's so there's not a single thing that women are going to supersede men in No, but there's a menu.
	They're going to supersede women when it comes to force.
	But you deserve the privilege and not the men.
	What I'm saying is that women who do prefer equality, there's a reason why they prefer that because they understand that their value is in different areas of life other than reproductive situations.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, but you're not really answering to the question.
	So I asked you this question.
	If men are the ones who are tasked to defend the nation and they're the ones who are going to be tasked to do the forced jobs, which they're tasked to do, why is it they don't deserve additional privilege?
	Your response to this was to say, well, that may be so, that men are equipped to do those forced jobs, but this does not mean that women could not excel in other jobs that men can't.
	My ask of you was, well, what?
	Your answer is there aren't any.
	I don't know, like, I don't have statistics of which gender does better, which type of a job.
	Well, I can tell you which ones there's more women in than men and which ones there's more men in than women.
	But even that wouldn't answer the question of which jobs women specifically are going to do better than men.
	Well, actually, well, that's just an example about one of the societies, but in Malaysia, there's actually a lot more women in computer science fields because they value their intellect and that's considered more feminine.
	It doesn't mean that they're better at it.
	We're going to, so, so without equivocation, men are better soldiers than women.
	Yes?
	Yes.
	Majority, yes.
	Yes.
	What job are women better at than men?
	I would say like a lot of social work.
	Which social work are they better at?
	Not that there's more of them, but they're better at it.
	Like psychiatrists, everything that involves a lot of mental health.
	How are women and what makes women better at being psychiatrists than men?
	Well, because they're more, I feel like if you're entering such a field, you have to be able to be more empathetic.
	And we all agree that women are more empathetic.
	And you also need to be very logical.
	And we agreed that men are more logical.
	Yes, but if you're...
	I don't see how a man would not be just as good as a woman inside of the field of psychology nor psychiatry.
	In fact, I think psychiatry-wise, there's actually more men in that field.
	I think there's more women in the field of psychology.
	Like I said, I don't have the exact statistics, and I'm not saying women would necessarily be better.
	But from a physical standpoint, the only thing is that I know for a fact that men fight better.
	I mean, we all know that, right?
	But I don't think that you can pinpoint on other specific jobs and say one is better than the other.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	So if that is the case, I would just agree with you, right?
	I would just say you're right.
	I don't think in many of the, well, I think that there's some jobs we could say men are going to be better at it, right?
	So for instance, I think men in general are going to be better at underwater welding.
	I think they're going to be better at construction, at concrete laying.
	I think they're going to be better at roofing.
	I think that they're going to be better at an innumerable amount of jobs which require physical strength.
	However, I can't think of a single job which requires less physical strength that men are going to be worse at than women.
	I can't think of one.
	Can you?
	No, go ahead.
	I wouldn't say that these jobs women are better than men at, but some examples could be things like fashion design or art.
	Hang on.
	You mean the job that gay men have?
	Else about that.
	And that's how you get all of the fashion of the world is invented by men for women, specifically gay men.
	Gay men are killing it.
	Okay, so another example that I thought of is you don't have to agree with this.
	By the way, this is the case with makeup.
	This is the case with fashion.
	This is the case with, including lifestyle, all of that, that's all invented by men.
	That's all done by men.
	The gays are doing a great job.
	So some jobs that I thought of are caretaking, nursing.
	You don't have to do that.
	I'm not laughing at you.
	Hang on.
	Let me go through them one at a time.
	Okay, let's take nursing.
	Nurses right now are on the globally, not just here.
	Hospitals are desperate to have male nurses because women do not have the physical strength to move patients.
	They're desperate to get more male nurses.
	In the United States, there have been many, many such programs to destigmatize the gender distinction in nursing so that men don't feel like they have to feel bad by going into nursing because that's how desperate nursing stations are to have men.
	Nobody would ever make the claim that female nurses are better than male nurses, only that there's more female nurses than male nurses.
	So how about patients who are dealing with dementia and Alzheimer's and things of that nature?
	Can you tell me what women are uniquely equipped to deal with when it comes to that, that men are not?
	In my opinion, yes, if we're going by the traditional roles that women and men represent, I do feel that women are more empathetic and more nurturing and receptive.
	I think that's a good question.
	Yeah, but a dementia patient is going to forget all about that, right?
	It's a joke.
	It's a joke.
	But even if that's the case, that women are more empathetic than men, in all of those situations, you would still need logic, reason, all of those other things, which you think that men have a kind of, well, not the monopoly, but they're better at.
	There's no way you could never give me a trait set of why women would be better at taking care of dementia patients than men without me being able to give you a trait set back to say, okay, but this is why men would be better at it than women.
	There are many jobs that need effectiveness and, you know, logic and reasoning, but there are also jobs that exist that need that more patient and understanding kind of quality.
	And if you feel that women teaching nursing, teaching, teaching, teaching doesn't require logic and reason.
	I would say teaching out of all the jobs you could think of requires logic and reason above everything else.
	Otherwise, how do you teach them anything?
	In my personal experience, maybe from kindergarten to, I guess, like middle school, it was mainly more female teachers or at least like male teachers that are mind that there's more female teachers.
	But I don't understand the trait of empathy for teaching, why that's more valuable than logic and reason.
	Can you explain that to me?
	I think that empathy goes hand in hand with passion.
	And with logic and reasoning, you don't really need passion for whatever you're doing.
	And if you don't have passion for your job, that can also be, I guess, transferred on to the students that you're teaching, and there's no effectiveness in teaching them either.
	But you can be passionate and very logical and reasonable.
	This has nothing to do with empathy.
	You can be very passionate without having empathy for other people.
	You could be like a passionate serial killer, passionate about what you're doing, but that doesn't mean you have any empathy.
	I don't understand, though.
	If you're going to teach people how to do X thing, isn't logic and reason the thing you want above all other things?
	Like, I can't think of a more important trait.
	I'm not saying you don't need empathy.
	I'm not saying you don't need to have these other things.
	I'm just saying, wouldn't we value the logic and reason portion of teaching above everything when it came to teaching?
	Well, I feel that I learned best.
	This is me personally when a teacher was more passionate about their job, but they're not telling us to open our books to like page 91 logic.
	Like, it has to be a mixture of both, but that is just my opinion.
	I do feel that.
	How did a teacher teach you without logic?
	I'm not saying they didn't use logic, but I'm saying that.
	How does somebody like empathetically teach you math?
	Like, I'm trying to think about it, right?
	How would one go about empathetically figuring out how to teach a person mathematics?
	Trying to think, like, how I can make you feel the math.
	How can I make you feel the math?
	Empathy is about being able to place yourself in other people's shoes.
	So if there's students struggling with learning something, you would at least be able to, you would at least need the empathy to at least be patient with them and to understand the progress that they're making.
	Yeah, but how would you make them feel the math?
	I never said that they were making it.
	Yeah, so how would you go about teaching?
	So you tell me, real quick, let's pretend for a second that I'm, oh, I don't know, first grader, and you're trying to teach me one plus one.
	What would be your first step to teaching me one plus one?
	So for me, is it just one student that I'm teaching, or is it all just one student?
	Yeah.
	And what is their, I guess, like, capacity of they have a normal capacity of a first grader, whatever that is.
	Okay, so big SAS Energy donated $99.
	Blows my mind that people think empathy is an overwhelming need in taking care of people that are out of their mind.
	Affirming mental illness is not care.
	It's the opposite.
	Yeah, I tend to agree with that, but I'm going to leave that aside for right now, Big Sass.
	I think that that's a good point, though.
	But if you're teaching a student one plus one, what do you think step one would be?
	And that's why I did mention more other careers outside of math.
	Like, I feel like you're using math.
	Yeah, I know, but let's start with that.
	Let's start with it because you really have to do it.
	My example doesn't really be history.
	You're trying to teach me the battle of the bulge.
	What's step one?
	So for me, I'm talking about careers or teaching when it involves like arts, fine arts.
	I feel like when you use science and things like that.
	Okay, sex education.
	What would be step one for sex education?
	What would you say for that?
	How about physical education?
	Like, I can't actually think of anything in regards to teaching where you wouldn't value reason and logic above everything else.
	Like, I really can't.
	And I'm willing to give you the floor to demonstrate to me that I'm incorrect by just telling me any subject.
	Pick any teaching subject you can possibly think of and tell me what step one to it would be.
	Well, English and Would be, for example, like there are different English classes.
	I just recently took literary device for like poetry, and you would need to feel that and be passionate about what and be able to do that.
	Okay, so poetry.
	You're passionate about poetry.
	What's step one to teaching me poetry?
	What would be the first thing you would do?
	I'll first preface by saying that there's no wrong answers in poetry.
	Okay, there's no wrong answers in poetry.
	What next?
	I would allow my students to kind of first like read through a poem and be able to like freely think and express what they truly feel from the poem.
	And then based off that, we would have a discussion.
	I don't understand, teacher, Edgar Allan Poe's poem here.
	What does the beating heart represent?
	What do you think it represents?
	Now we're in logic and reason.
	You can definitely fuck up a haiku.
	I'm just saying.
	Like, you can definitely fuck up a haiku.
	You can even fuck up a soliloquy.
	Like, that's really easy.
	You ever fucked up a soliloquy?
	That pantamic, what's that one?
	The pantamic tan man?
	The dynamite.
	Wait, what is it?
	Anissa, what is it?
	The pen.
	Pantamic?
	Pantamic?
	Denaminer?
	Yeah, Ryan.
	My audio is a bit scuffed.
	I'm going to jump and come right back in.
	Yeah, no worries.
	No worries.
	Well, while he does that, guys, TTS is $69.
	If you guys want to get it in, you can go to twitch.tv slash whatever, drop us a follow, and a prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drops a follow.
	We have to do a couple reacts too.
	You can also like the video, guys.
	Guys, like the video if you're watching on YouTube.
	Hit that like button.
	There we go.
	That's better.
	We got Twitch, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	There it is.
	There it is, guys.
	Guys, it's been a minute since we last had a prime.
	I think it's probably bugged.
	If somebody can probably bugged.
	Help.
	Help, I guess.
	All right.
	And then, yeah, that's pretty much it.
	All right.
	Like the video.
	Cool.
	Yo, Brian, thank you for the membership.
	Appreciate it, bro.
	$69 TTS.
	Got a couple things we need to get through.
	So here, let me try to get through a bunch of this as quick as possible.
	Let's do the dating app.
	Or actually, it's just photos, right?
	Yeah, it's just photos.
	Let's just save time.
	Do we save time and just skip it?
	We can just skip it.
	Sorry.
	They can, I mean, we saw like old you and young you, so it's pretty much the same.
	Okay, and then we need to do.
	I'm just going to save.
	What are the, can you tell me what the reacts are, Austin?
	Yeah, I think you got the.
	It's just like the inside edition thing, and then there's.
	It's the cat caller one, and then there's just a TikTok?
	We don't need the TikTok.
	And what's the other one?
	Sorry, guys.
	One moment.
	We have the follow-up list, and then the cat calls turned, and then we have TikTok, and that's it.
	Okay, yeah, we'll save those for another day just because we're limited on time.
	Here are a couple rapid-fire questions going around the table.
	Do you consider yourself a feminist?
	No.
	Nay.
	I was actually just.
	Can I just ask you a quick question?
	What do you define as feminism?
	Can you guys hide that while until you get it fixed?
	It's a good question.
	I mean, there's a couple different definitions.
	So there's my charitable definition.
	Well, hang on.
	We would ask you first: what would you define as a feminist?
	Well, feminism is about wanting equal rights between men and women, right?
	Okay.
	So, yes, exactly how you would define it?
	Yes, equality between men and women.
	So, I suppose I'll give you here, Austin.
	Can you just take over?
	I'm just so okay.
	Charitable definition: Feminism is woman's advocacy.
	That's the most charitable definition I would ever give it.
	It's never been about equality.
	This is just factually true.
	Feminists don't care about equality.
	There's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but to parade feminism as an equality movement is laughable.
	Nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but let's not pretend like feminists really give a fuck about equality.
	The actual definition of it is: I think it's woman's advocacy plus a man-hating ideology.
	That's what I think it is.
	I see.
	Okay, so what do you mean by charitable definition?
	So, charitable would be the nicest.
	I see.
	Okay, but wouldn't you say that that's a definition when it comes to radical feminists instead of like genuine feminism?
	Well, I can ask you a couple questions to clarify this.
	Is patriarchy theory a core tenant of feminism, even normal mainstream feminism?
	Can you ask one more time?
	Is patriarchy a core tenant of mainstream feminism?
	Core tenant?
	No.
	That there is a patriarchy?
	Yes.
	I think you need to explain what's the core core ten or whatever you said, like a core tenant.
	It's a core belief of the ideology.
	Okay, that's what I don't think she understood that.
	Thank you.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And this ideology teaches primarily women what?
	That misogyny is ingrained within society, I guess.
	Okay.
	Now, let me ask you a couple questions.
	Do you think that the patriarchy has to do with an oppressor, oppressed narrative?
	So women are oppressed, correct?
	I don't agree with that, though.
	It's just.
	You don't think.
	Okay, do you think women were oppressed historically then?
	Yes.
	But they're no longer oppressed in any capacity to this day.
	In my opinion, no, not in this country.
	Okay, that's fair.
	But you do think they were oppressed historically.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And so, but you believe there's a patriarchy.
	Does this patriarchy have a tendency to oppress women?
	So for me, I just, I personally believe, and according to the definition of feminism, that it's just about advocating for women's rights when there is some sort of inequality.
	And so I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	But I do feel like it's not an equality movement.
	You said it's advocating for women's rights.
	But I just feel like what you're defining is only going after, I guess, the stereotypical feminist who is very radical in their beliefs.
	Well, is the stereotype wrong?
	Let me ask you a question.
	So every single university in this country, college, whatever, every single one has a feminist study, gender study, women's studies program, right?
	If you take feminism 101 or whatever, the introduction to feminism, the lecture, whatever it is, do they teach you about patriarchy and female oppression?
	I'm sure they do.
	Yeah.
	And so it sets up an oppressor-oppressed narrative and it pits the sexes against each other.
	If you teach swaths of young women that men are to blame for everything, it's men who are the oppressors, and women are the oppressed, and women collectively are oppressed, and men collectively are the oppressors.
	Are women supposed to feel positive or think positive things towards the oppressor class?
	No.
	I don't think that's the objective, though.
	What's true?
	But if you take any feminism class, the words patriarchy, oppression, oppressed, oppressor are going to come up.
	Under feminism, who is the oppressor?
	Men?
	Who's the oppressor?
	Is it men?
	Well, according to them, I guess.
	According to feminist theory, men are the oppressors, right?
	And who are the oppressed?
	Women.
	Ah.
	Do the oppressed get to have contempt for the oppressor?
	Yes.
	Do the oppressed have to overcome the oppressor?
	Do the oppressed have to defeat or in some way defeat or tear down the oppressor.
	So this is a narrative that is taught to vast swaths of women, and it teaches women to hate men and have contempt for men and view men as having historically put on some sort of injury onto women.
	Women have a historical and even current day grievance, a significant grievance, women as a group, towards men as a group.
	So I think that this would teach women to either have bias on the low end bias or bigotry against men, or on perhaps the more extreme end, have contempt or hatred towards men.
	So that's why that's my sense of what feminism is.
	Okay, I didn't know what we were agreeing to was your definition of feminism rather than but I just walked you through it and you agreed with me on all these things when it comes to the oppressor-oppressed dynamic.
	Right.
	So well, and I think it's fine to say it like if you if you have a different definition or what you think feminism is as opposed to what Brian just said, I think it's fine for you to tell us what that is.
	I mean, for me, I do believe feminism is about advocating, like you mentioned, more for any inequalities or even like advocating for women because of just almost like lifting up the women empowerment movement in a sense.
	And that doesn't have to come at the demise of men, but that is only when it happens in a more radical, I guess, violent way that maybe stereotypical feminists do.
	It literally sounded to me like you just kind of agreed with Brian's definition of feminism, to be honest with you.
	The only kind of caveat that you threw in there was they don't have to be violent to overthrow the oppressor.
	But Brian never included that in his definition.
	He just said if there's an oppressed group, it is the oppressed group's duty to throw off the oppressor.
	It sounds like you kind of agree with that, right?
	I just don't think there's anything wrong with, I guess, like I almost feel like the feminism is when you acknowledge your role as a woman, a female within society, and being able to uplift other women in that manner and I guess like advocating for any inequalities if they find some.
	But I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
	Well, hold on.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that's fair too.
	I just asked this one question.
	You think that female advocacy is perfectly acceptable, right?
	Okay, so when men advocate for men, is that also perfectly acceptable?
	Warlord 69, you donated $69.
	Feminism, I follow other women because they give me power, power from the oppression that doesn't exist, but because the media keeps telling me that it does exist, I'm going to keep yelling about it.
	Warlord, thank you very much, man.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, it's very kind of you to send in the dollars there.
	Yeah, so just kind of quickly back to this, you think it's okay for men to advocate for men, too, right?
	A thousand percent.
	So what happens when women advocate for women and men advocate for men, and we come to different conclusions as to how each should be treated?
	So I'm almost thinking of the example of when men are able to recognize that society makes it so that they're supposed to repress their emotions, and that's why there's such a high unalive rate with men.
	And when men choose to speak out about that.
	Well, hang on.
	I want to correct something very quickly.
	Actually, men and women try, attempt to unalive themselves at about the same rate.
	It's just that men are way better at it.
	So they take, they take the final solution, they grab the pistol, and women take pills and shit like that, but men just happen to be far better at doing so.
	If a woman says I want to be unalive today and a man says I want to be unalive today, they do try to off themselves at the same rates, roughly the same.
	I mean, it's very close.
	It's just that men get the job done right.
	But that's not.
	That doesn't really have anything to do with what I was going to say is that when men are able to recognize the, I guess, the reality of between man to man, what they go through in their day-to-day life because of them being a man, I don't think there's anything wrong with advocating for one another.
	Yeah sure, but what if they say okay well, the reason we're going through all this is because those women fucking suck.
	But that's why I also said that I don't believe that it's all people who are that radical when it comes to feminism, and I wouldn't agree with but it's.
	It's mainstream feminism.
	It's mainstream feminism.
	You go to any university.
	You take an intro to feminism class.
	They're going to teach you patriarchy theory.
	They're going to teach you the oppressor-oppressed dynamic between men and women.
	And they're going to say men are the oppressors and women are the oppressed.
	There are still feminists who are actually, you know, like thinking how she defined it.
	I understand that, you know, just advocating for women's rights.
	In the same way, men should probably do that too.
	Advocate for women's rights?
	For men's rights.
	Oh, okay, sure.
	But the thing is that I think we both agree that there's fundamental issues in the mainstream feminism, like you mentioned.
	And there are some things that need to be changed.
	Because the matter of fact is right now it's not a patriarchy anymore.
	So there is some things that need to be changed.
	I also almost think that feminists need to heal from the fact that we got out of this hole.
	You know, now it's more equal.
	So there's the most equal it's ever been.
	Exactly.
	So there are some issues, but as an idea of equality, that's why that's what you meant.
	Like, that's why.
	Well, I mean, my pushback there, just one little nitpick, is when feminists say feminism is about equality, and I say the most charitable definition is it's a woman's advocacy movement.
	If there's a form of equality where women don't stand to benefit or it comes to women's detriment, but it's equality, feminists won't fight for it.
	Women won't fight for it.
	So you're not, feminism is not an equality movement.
	And this is just, I mean, the perfect example is just forced military conscription.
	We've had over 100 years of women being able to vote.
	For men to be able to vote, we have to be subject to forced military conscription.
	We've got to register with the selective service.
	100 years, women are not, feminists are not saying equalize forced military conscription.
	And in that time period, we've had numerous World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War.
	Men were drafted in these wars.
	Men would still be alive had they not been drafted.
	There are men who are still alive who were drafted, who have terrible injuries.
	I'm talking specifically about Vietnam, who are still alive, who've got PTSD, all this kind of stuff.
	And so I don't really think feminists are like striving for equality.
	You're striving to secure female benefits.
	And if that means fighting for equality and that gets women benefits, they'll do it.
	But you'll never fight for equality if it could conceivably come to the detriment of women.
	And I don't think you can actually make an argument against that because the glaring example is forced military conscription.
	I think it would, being drafted for anybody, is a detriment to one's life.
	If you're drafted into the military, I think it's hard to argue that it's not a detriment.
	It would be a detriment to women if they were subject to military conscription and all the negative ramifications that come with either being drafted or if you don't register for the selective service, there's various issues that can arise there.
	But where are the feminists in the streets like, oh, I want to be drafted?
	They ain't fine for it.
	It's not an equality movement.
	Okay, so then when you said the charitable definition was women's advocacy, then putting that aside, like the equality or fighting for equality, wouldn't that just be like more of a movement to empower other women?
	So I don't.
	Sure.
	So maybe then.
	Sure, but you can't parade it around as an equality movement when it's not.
	Okay, then I can agree with that.
	Sure.
	So, well, I have a very quick question.
	I'd like to ask everybody on the panel.
	Get everybody to participate on why we're on the topic of feminism.
	Wait, Andrew, I apologize.
	Yeah.
	She was in the middle of something.
	I do just want to give her an opportunity to finish.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	Just to finish it.
	But then we'll ask your question.
	Go ahead.
	If you forgot.
	You're in the middle of something.
	If you forgot.
	I just forgot.
	It's okay.
	All right, go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean to jump in there.
	I thought the exchange was done.
	So, just very briefly, I would like to kind of tell you guys a few things.
	You are aware that women couldn't have credit cards until very recently, and they couldn't have bank accounts, right?
	This is fairly recent.
	Did you guys know that?
	Women couldn't have those things.
	Do you mind telling me how recent?
	Yeah, well, actually, I'm going to pull up the exact date, just so you have it.
	So I think that this was, let's see, yeah, 1974, looks like.
	So, 1974, before they could have credit cards, right?
	That seems pretty unfair, right?
	They couldn't even have them, right?
	Or bank accounts, things like that.
	That seems pretty, do you guys agree that that's fundamentally unfair?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I would like to ask you this question, though.
	In the 1950s, when women couldn't have these things, can I get a show of hands of the women here who think that relationships right now in the year 2024 are more stable and better than they were in the 1950s, just by a show of hand?
	Can I get a show of hands of the women who think that the relationships in the year 2024 are more unstable than they were in the 1950s?
	Unstable?
	Unstable?
	Unstable.
	Yeah, it's more.
	I'm pretty sure they are.
	So just nobody else has an opinion?
	Do you think that the relationships in the year 1950 were more or less stable than they are now?
	By a show of hands?
	More stable.
	Yeah.
	Do you think that they were more stable in the 1950s?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Than they are right now.
	And do you think in the year 2024 that relationships are less stable than they were in the 1950s?
	Yes.
	So can you explain, can any of you explain to me why it would be in a million years that even though women were suffering under this type of horrific oppression, that relationships were better under that oppression than they are right now when women are the most liberated they've ever been?
	Well, stability can mean a lot of things.
	It can be stably bad.
	You can, because they did.
	Do you think that they were stably bad or do you think that the relationships were better?
	When you talk to your grandparents, do they tell you how horrible things were?
	Do they tell you things were better?
	You tell me.
	Honestly, like, I had a lot of mixed opinions on that.
	Yeah.
	They mostly say it was better, right?
	They mostly say it was better.
	Most of the time, you talk to people who are older than you, especially significantly older than you.
	I can tell you right now, the 90s were better.
	The 90s were better than the year 2024.
	I promise you they were better in every conceivable way I can think of.
	It's not nostalgia.
	They were better.
	But I think that has to do with something also, like I mentioned before, with social media and people feeling like they have to put up a face and all that stuff.
	That's my opinion.
	Yeah, it's not just.
	Well, wait, wait.
	Wait a second.
	That's really weird because the internet is a recent invention.
	This is not an old invention.
	People, don't you think people in the 19, so let me ask you this: 19, the year is 1980.
	There is no internet.
	There's no internet in the year 1980.
	Do you think relationships were better or worse?
	Better.
	Better.
	They're better, right?
	Well, they were more.
	Yeah, so now, so now moving forward, right, you hit the internet age.
	You think that the internet age is what destroyed everything?
	I think so.
	I think, well, I don't think it's the only reason, but there's a big influence in that.
	100%.
	Yeah.
	What is it?
	Like I said.
	is the thing about social media that destroyed everything between men and women.
	Because people like, wait, like, it's... E-boys.
	Probably did it.
	People...
	E-boys.
	People try to portray themselves as someone they're not in social media.
	Everyone are constantly trying to one-up each other.
	There's no authentic connections anymore.
	Definitely twerking to that.
	Dating apps are way more superficially based.
	There's a lot of reasons.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so what's the number one reason that you think things were better back then?
	I also...
	And by the way, the reason I brought this example up is because in the year 1980, women had those equalities, right?
	They had those equalities, and yet you still say that the relationships were better even then.
	So are we pinpointing this on the internet?
	And what is the thing about the internet that has messed relationships up?
	There's more easy access to more people because of the internet.
	So therefore, you're looking at more people than they did back then.
	Back then, they actually believed in true love, I guess.
	And now it's kind of way more accessible.
	And so therefore, that traditional marriage or traditional kind of love is dying out.
	Yeah, people see that they have more options now.
	Even if that's not the case.
	They're like, oh, there's this guy or this girl and there's this.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you think that the entirety of relationship dynamics have been destroyed, not because of the feminist move for women to become empowered snobs, but rather because women have more choices in men, and so what?
	They're going for a select group of men?
	I think men also have those choices as well.
	And maybe I can consider.
	No, men don't have those choices.
	It's still more easily accessible for men with the men.
	It was way more easy.
	So here, I can demonstrate this for you.
	If you were localized and there was only 50 women who were in your community versus 50 men, right?
	Wouldn't the women be far more accessible to the men and the women to the men?
	Because these are your only choices, right?
	Right?
	Well, now it's a buffet.
	But let me ask you a question.
	Do you think on a dating app that a guy who's as attractive as you are just for a male as opposed to a female, do you think that you get more people DMing you or he gets more people DMing him?
	Most likely me.
	Most likely you.
	Wait, do you have something?
	So that means that from the sexual selection perspective, you have way more options than he does, right?
	Wait, really quick, do you have a brother?
	I do.
	How old is he?
	He is 18.
	18.
	Okay, still.
	Oh, 19.
	And you're 22, right?
	Who's crushing, like, who could crush it more?
	You know?
	Crush it?
	Who could crush it more?
	Like if you guys had to do like a competition, like just to fuck or whatever, like who could just crush it?
	I don't like those two words in the same sentence.
	But I would say I guess I guess me.
	Yeah.
	Like you would, but but it wouldn't, it's not even a competition, right?
	Like you would just fuck them up.
	Yeah, and I can't not acknowledge the fact that like it's true that when you see like a woman's like dating profile versus a man's and they could be equally attractive, it's always the women that get more matches.
	And I'm not going to deny that, but I do feel that because of the internet, it does still make it easily, more easily accessible to both man and women.
	There's a lot of men who prefer to not commit to a lot of women anymore.
	Like that's pretty common in this day and age.
	Maybe the top tier guys, maybe.
	I would say most.
	At least our age.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but those men, I mean, most.
	Wait, most men aren't willing to commit to a woman?
	I feel like a lot nowadays more.
	What percentage of men are you attracted to?
	I don't have a percentage.
	I think my type is weird, but I don't know.
	okay but but also like i feel like most men are invisible to y'all Like most men, you wouldn't even consider.
	Whereas most men find most women attractive.
	Most women definitely do not find most men attractive.
	Huge differential.
	Tom underscore stone donating 100.
	Thank you, Tom.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Maureen Corvette here.
	Name one right you don't have that men do at this point in time.
	Name one.
	Anybody on this?
	Thank you, Tom.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Anybody?
	Going once?
	Going twice?
	Yeah, well, what we were, what I was getting at, we were like, we were right there, is the idea that if the internet has messed things up and sexual selection for women is very high, then how come men are having such a hard time finding women?
	I feel like nowadays...
	Drake.
	Sorry, so so sorry.
	I feel like nowadays women are.
	I can't deny the fact that women now have this mindset, like as a collective.
	I'm not saying I relate to it, but it is the truth where women are like, oh, independent and like I don't need a man kind of energy.
	So therefore, men also have like proven, or not proven, but it's like I guess in a study where men have said that they're more intimidated by women nowadays because of the rejection that they'll face or this fear of being seen as like a creep or something.
	Yeah, you have 100 DMs for every one DM a man might get.
	Possibly a thousand, possibly 500, right?
	But it's going to be significantly more, right?
	Men are going to DM you significantly more than you DM them, right?
	Do you think that it's possible that most of the women are responding to the same type of man?
	Same type of man.
	Well, everyone, well, so if you have this giant pool of men to select from now that you didn't have before, and now you can select for the top tier ones that you want, they're over six foot two, perhaps.
	They make a lot of money.
	They're very good looking.
	Do you think that women would compete over those men?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I think so too.
	And do you think if they were localized and they only knew about the men in their local area pre-internet, they wouldn't have to compete, right?
	Andrew, wouldn't there still be competition?
	Yeah, but it would be localized competition.
	Right, yeah, yeah.
	Localized competition.
	Meaning it's not a buffet, right?
	Right now you have a buffet.
	If you get 100 DMs, you can go through 100 guys and pick and choose, right?
	Men can't do that, correct?
	Correct.
	So doesn't it stand to reason that if men are having trouble finding women, that women are going for this kind of top tier of men?
	They're all going for kind of those same guys.
	I still will stand by the fact that I do believe both men and women have more access to dating and having more of a variety when it comes to dating due to the internet.
	And I'm not saying one is like getting it more.
	No, they don't have the same access.
	I'm not saying we have the same access, but I'm saying we both have grown with variety due to the internet at scales.
	Okay, but again, I'm going to ask you this again.
	If men get no DMs from women and you get 500 DMs from men, who has the selection buffet?
	Men or women?
	Women.
	Women.
	And does it stand a reason that they would go for the best looking and the ones who were the best looking and made the most amount of money?
	Sure.
	Yeah, and it would stand a reason that men would go for like the hottest women, right?
	Right.
	Okay, so then if that is the case, couldn't it be possible that women are just really all competing over a small select group of men?
	Sure, yes.
	Yeah, so this is called hypergamy.
	And the idea here is that I agree with you that the internet is what destroyed dating.
	I just wanted to kind of walk you through how it did.
	Absent localization, right?
	Meaning we live in a farm town in the 1950s.
	There's only 30 women to choose from, right?
	I'm going to pick one of those women.
	And those women don't have access to men external, those same men in the farmtown.
	So they're going to only have X amount to pick from.
	But what happens when we open up that global market?
	Well, now all women can compete for 10%, 5% of men, right?
	Which though?
	And that's exactly what's happening.
	Yes.
	How many DMs do you respond to?
	Huh?
	How many DMs do you respond to?
	I don't check my DMs.
	I don't respond to DMs.
	Wait, these girls got to answer the question, too, because they're making faces.
	You go first.
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Exposed myself.
	Wait.
	So, okay.
	How many DMs have you gotten in your whole life?
	More than 100.
	Thousands, maybe?
	Thousands, yeah.
	Wait, into the mic.
	You're way too far.
	Oh, yeah, more than thousands.
	How many DMs have you sent out?
	Less than five.
	Okay.
	How many DMs have you received?
	Not that many.
	Also, I'm from, you know, I'm older, so like, back in the days, it was very different, but now that I'm older, then it's not the same thing.
	It's not the same thing.
	Okay, well, we'll get back to that.
	We're going to get back to that, though.
	Oh, how many DMs have you gotten, Morgan?
	I don't know.
	Hundreds?
	Yeah, sure.
	How many DMs have you sent?
	Zero.
	Zero?
	Okay.
	How many DMs have you received?
	I don't even count because I don't really care about it too much.
	Well, I mean, you don't need to give me a precise number, but over a thousand?
	Probably like 10,000.
	100, 200.
	Hundreds?
	How many DMs have you sent out?
	Good question.
	Probably like around the tens.
	Okay.
	And wait, was it like nobody dudes or was it clouded, like famous dudes?
	Oh, your friend just gave you away.
	So like musicians, right?
	Athletes?
	No, wait.
	She didn't give me away because she doesn't even know who I like DM.
	Okay.
	Who are you DMing though?
	Probably like.
	Well, actually, you know, people that I would probably slide in DMs for would be like either like I'm interested in them, so people from school, I think, are like cute.
	But have you ever slid into like a famous guy's DMs?
	Yeah.
	Like once.
	Did he respond?
	Hell no.
	No, actually, technically, I wasn't trying to slide.
	Like, he was trying to ask for like ideas for his video.
	And I was like, oh, you should, like, react to this.
	And that's it.
	How many followers does he have?
	Dude, I lost.
	I don't know.
	Like, if I don't.
	What is he?
	A musician?
	Yeah, he's a musician.
	Rapper?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	He's probably like 150k.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	How many DMs have you received?
	Hundreds?
	Thousands?
	Sure.
	I mean, I wouldn't say thousands because.
	But hundreds.
	Sure.
	How many DMs have you sent?
	Maybe like 20.
	Famous guys?
	Maybe like one.
	One famous guy?
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I don't really use social media that much, but I mean, the answer is still the same.
	I'm sure I received more DMs than I sent.
	Emma, what about you?
	I don't receive very many.
	I don't never send any.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Anissa, what about you?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hang on.
	Hang on, back up.
	You were on the, you've been on this show before.
	Hold on.
	No, I was just going to say that.
	There's no way you walked off this show and did not receive DMs.
	Andrew, I don't even.
	I don't think her Instagram was even in the thing.
	So I know you're the same.
	They're going to ruthlessly hunt down.
	If they're interested, they're going to ruthlessly hunt them down and send him a DM.
	Not a one.
	You didn't get a one DM.
	No.
	Yeah, come on.
	All right.
	That seems honest.
	Go ahead, Anissa.
	Not that many because I don't have my DMs on.
	I can't get requests.
	Okay.
	All right, back to you, Andrew.
	You passed it to me.
	Yeah, well, I was just saying, if you're looking at that, if you understand that women are receiving thousands or hundreds more DMs than men are, then this necessarily would show that you have a much wider kind of array of men to choose from than men have women, right?
	But isn't 99% of those DMs just to hook up?
	So like, yeah, we might have a bigger amount of money.
	I would think so.
	I think most, I think 99.9% of them could be for hooking up, but it gives you still this huge option men don't have, right?
	Right, but so yeah, women have more options to, you know, perhaps hook up, but not necessarily to be in a committed relationship.
	Well, okay, but let's back up.
	And let's see if this actually passes the test.
	So do you think that a man who wants to hook up with you is more likely to be interested in a relationship with you than a man who didn't want to hook up with you?
	Like a man who's not sexually attracted to you?
	No, I mean, both of them, of course, would want to hook up regardless of.
	No, well, hang on, hang on.
	But a man who's sexually attracted to you is going to be more likely to be interested in you, right?
	I don't think anyone who I'm sure most of the DMs we get are like really, you know, you're so hot.
	Something like that.
	I think people.
	Yeah, they're sexually attracted to you.
	So those men would be more likely to be interested in you for dating as well, right?
	I don't think so, because I feel like if you start a conversation like this, you're kind of already setting your intentions clear.
	What?
	Like what?
	What are they sending you?
	Like, hello, beautiful.
	Oh, man, that really sounds like that guy just really hates your guts.
	Like, what do you mean?
	Not hates your guts, but in this day and age, most of the guys who DM, they don't want to pursue anything.
	They want to hook up.
	Yeah, maybe you'll change their mind.
	Maybe they end up liking your personality, but that's not their problem.
	Yeah, right.
	But you have that option is the point.
	Men don't have that option.
	And so if women are all getting the same DMs from the same guys, let's say, why wouldn't they gravitate towards the best looking and the tallest and the most handsomest and all of that?
	Why wouldn't they gravitate towards those same men?
	Yeah, I'm sure they do.
	Yeah, so now you've run into the problem of hypergamy.
	And hypergamy is showing, okay, now the marketplace is completely open, but now those top-tier men, all the women are pursuing them, and all of the other men, they're not getting pursued.
	And they're not pursuing because they can't compete with that higher echelon of men.
	Yeah, I feel that's a phenomenon.
	The reason the entirety of the dating market is screwed is because of this one principle of localization versus globalization when it comes to dating.
	Anyway, go ahead.
	I just think that's a phenomenon that existed before 20.
	It's just exponentially.
	Where did this phenomenon exist before the universe?
	In the cities, like, you know, like that, the hottest.
	How could it have existed in the cities?
	No, I mean, like, that's not just an internet thing that, like, women are the gatekeepers and they're going to receive, they're going to be hit on more than, like, men are going to be hit on.
	And, like, that's, I'm just saying.
	Yeah, sure.
	I agree with you.
	The idea here is not that women are going to get hit on more than men.
	The idea here is that if you only have a localized pool of men to choose from, you're going to pick one of that localized pool.
	What if, so like, let me give you an example, Rachel.
	So let's say there's 100 men that you can choose from.
	Would you rather have that or 20 million?
	Yeah, no, I know what you mean.
	But ultimately.
	That's the point, right?
	It's like once you have access to 20 million, who's going to say I'd only rather have 100% 20 million.
	No, I get you.
	But ultimately, like you said, the hottest men or whatever are going to have their first pick too, right?
	So they're going to pick the hottest women or like whatever, right?
	So then women will have to go to the rest of the pool anyways at some point, right?
	Because you're not going to get that.
	After they've had sex with your man.
	I guess.
	And all of these different women have had sex with that higher tier man.
	That's why men have body counts.
	Some men have body counts into the several hundreds to thousands, right?
	It's because many women are gravitating towards that same select group.
	Yeah.
	Men.
	So it's like, okay, that's great.
	But if you're holding out for that man, what happens to you?
	You're wasting years, right?
	And so that's why women get married later in life.
	I agree with you.
	They're settling for that next year of man, but they were gravitating towards that higher tier, right?
	Yeah.
	But yeah, and I think the problem is like you, that's how women nowadays kind of value themselves.
	Agreed.
	You know, and I think that's the deeper root problem.
	Where like you think if you have sex with this dude that doesn't really give a fuck about you and does it's not gonna give you something stable long-term, whatever, but then you had sex with the hot guy, but then like, okay, and then you you're you got the attention, you got anyways.
	My point is like the values, the core values are not at the right place.
	Yeah, no, I agree with that.
	The core values may not be there, all right?
	Uh, prescriptively, that's true, but descriptively, I'm just talking about what is happening.
	Yeah, what is happening is that we've opened up the marketplace for dating, and you can date a guy right now in Ohio, right?
	Yeah, through online.
	And in the 1950s, how would you have communicated with a guy from Ohio?
	How would you have even met him or known how he existed?
	Yeah, and also how would that have even been done?
	Would you have just done like long-distance letter writing to each other after you happened to stumble into him in your local community, right?
	Yeah, it would not have been very easy, but right this second, if a guy from Ohio DMs you who's 6'2 and six figures, boy, it's really easy to communicate with him, isn't it?
	That's the thing.
	And before internet, like people had to actually like you know, like it takes way more guts to go to a person in person than to DM a little message online.
	Oh, yeah, I mean, the commitment is non-interpersonal.
	Yeah, I agree.
	So the commitment is already way more when you're like, okay, you know, it's either you meet the person in a bar or like, I mean, whatever, right?
	But in physical form, then you have like, you know, you got to get like either the girl or the guy.
	So that's already already creates like someone that values you way more than just DMing you because it's so easy.
	Well, as somebody points out, they say, what about pen pals?
	Well, I think that pen pals existed, sure, but you had to meet them, right?
	Like you had to still meet them locally somewhere.
	But you don't have to meet people locally anymore.
	You can go on a dating profile and you could post you.
	You can be like, here's my face and here's my body and I like hiking and walks on the beach and all that bullshit, right?
	That's all you got to do.
	And then the guy from Ohio finds you, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so this, this is, this is the, if you want to know what destroyed all of dating, it's not really more complex than that.
	I think that women's liberation and all of this type of thing leads to the idea of basically reducing the moral grounding to the point where women will engage in hypergamy.
	But I think the internet's what destroyed dating.
	Yeah, that's what we said, though.
	Yeah.
	I'm just to hopefully get through as much as we can.
	Yeah, I gotta do everything.
	You did, and I'm agreeing with you, but I'm showing you a bigger problem, which is hypergamy.
	And that's what you weren't alluding to, right?
	So.
	Okay.
	Let me just get through the couple things that we need to get through.
	I got to get through the notes.
	So let's see.
	Do you guys think men are insecure if they care about body count?
	I would say yes.
	Okay.
	No, I don't think it's insecurity.
	Like them being insecure about our body count.
	Do you think men are insecure if they care about body count?
	No.
	Not really.
	No.
	Okay.
	Who said, I think you said yes.
	Was it just you who said yes?
	Okay.
	All right.
	So, do you think body count doesn't matter or shouldn't matter?
	I feel like I feel like it shouldn't matter.
	Okay.
	So, question for the panel.
	What's your body count starting with Anissa?
	Two.
	And then going to you?
	Two.
	Me?
	No, I was just more like looking at you and seeing your reaction to your friend who you know very well.
	Oh, dude, I only known her for like three weeks.
	Oh, okay.
	All right.
	Well, body count?
	Yeah, hi.
	Hi.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, because I was a drinker.
	Very.
	That's what I said back in the day.
	I'm going to get to your notes.
	But yeah, I actually made a list because of this show.
	Oh.
	Well, because you got the list of names.
	Can you read the list?
	I don't want to read the list.
	No, no, no.
	But I have the list, and it's like, honestly, it's like over.
	And I was like, holy, like, it's, yeah, it's the old me, so I am, that's what it is.
	But honestly, I think.
	What's the number?
	I think it was like, oh, at least 50.
	I think it was 100.
	100?
	I feel like at that point, if you're making a list, you're probably forgetting a couple.
	Tom underscore stone dates $75.
	Selective deviances are par for the course.
	No one answered the question.
	Andrew is a boss.
	Brian is a killer, too.
	The 1% will always prevail.
	Body count matters, lol.
	Yo, Tom Stone, thank you very much for the TTS man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, you were saying you think about some and you kind of do.
	And the things like as I started doing it, like a two days, like, you know, like your brain keeps working when you're not thinking about it.
	And I was like, oh, fuck, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	And some guys I didn't remember names.
	And some guys.
	I'm going to be honest with this because it's not cool.
	But I was a problematic.
	I wasn't at colleague, right?
	Like some guys was like, did I or did I not?
	And I was like, oh.
	You don't remember?
	And I don't think, yeah.
	And like, I don't think I could have talked about it now.
	Like, you know, after one year of sobriety, I don't think I would have been ready.
	But now it's like, fuck, it's such so long ago.
	But yeah, it's not.
	I'm not proud of it, but it's real.
	Did you go?
	Did you do chronologically for the list?
	I try.
	You kind of do because you need to do the list.
	Yeah.
	That's the only way you can do it.
	Yeah, but then it comes back.
	And then also some guys I had to write like coffee.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, you don't remember the name.
	No, but then it would come back later, and I was like, oh.
	Okay.
	So over 100.
	I think it was around 100.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	One.
	So wait, really?
	Two?
	Three.
	Brett.
	Multiply it by three, and that's the real number.
	Andrew Schrozer?
	Three.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	I do not want to share.
	Oh.
	How about the range?
	You want to give us a range?
	Nothing.
	Like 10 to 20.
	I just feel like it doesn't have anything to do with the conversation because I agree that body count matters.
	Well, I mean, that's fair, but it does kind of have to do with the conversation.
	But if you don't want to answer, that's fine.
	Over 10?
	Okay, all right, all right.
	Okay.
	Three.
	Oh, my God.
	I have to answer the question.
	Okay, three.
	Bro, there's too many girls.
	Sorry, bro.
	No way.
	I don't believe.
	Okay, so this is our.
	Go ahead, Emma.
	Under 10.
	Under 10?
	Bro, I can tell you lying, dude.
	She's lying.
	I don't know.
	You're telling stories about Sing the D and shit?
	Like, come on, bro.
	I feel like three that come on.
	Wait, me.
	No, I don't, I don't do that.
	You said, man, my friend, I gotta tell her.
	Like, she can't be S in the D too soon.
	Like, I'm looking out for my girlfriend.
	She can't be sucking all that dick so quickly.
	That's what you were saying.
	Yeah, real shit.
	Real shit.
	Yes.
	What's the Sing the D count then?
	Hundreds.
	Dude, I don't even know that.
	Again, I don't know.
	It's three weeks.
	Oh.
	All right.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Oh, here's a question.
	Would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear?
	A bear.
	Ooh, it depends.
	Is it a room or are we talking about the woods?
	So here's a scenario: you get spawned into the woods, and then there's a button, two buttons, and you can press one button, a random man spawns, or a random bear spawns.
	Hmm.
	I mean, a bear is in its element when it's in the woods.
	Right, but because it's the random spawn, the why is the man in the forest?
	He just randomly gets he was in his office in fucking Chicago.
	Boom, you hit the button.
	Oh shit.
	I'm now in the woods.
	Okay, and so that's the condition.
	The condition is it's a random man.
	A random man.
	So you can't be like, why is this motherfucker in the woods?
	No.
	You just press the button, and that's why he's in the woods.
	No, no, no, like the condition is he's like in Chicago.
	It's a random assistant.
	It doesn't have to be Chicago.
	I love Chicago.
	He could also be in Utah.
	Or Idaho.
	Tell you what.
	I'll exclude Alaska and Hawaii because it's not contiguous.
	Contigious?
	Andrew, help?
	Andrew's having trouble.
	Oh, is it contiguous?
	Contiguous?
	Contiguous?
	So we'll exclude Alaska and Hawaii, okay?
	So 48, the 48 states, bottom states, okay?
	A random man from those states spawns.
	We can also exclude Puerto Rico.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	And Guam.
	I'd say, I'd say and other U.S. territories.
	Go ahead.
	I'd say a man.
	Okay.
	A man.
	Same here.
	Man.
	Man.
	Wait, so who said?
	Did somebody say bear?
	You're the only bear?
	Why do you pick bear?
	Because I think bears are cute and cuddly.
	What the new ones?
	Color minds.
	59.
	Oh boy.
	You're not.
	Weird dude.
	Girl, what?
	I'm just going to go in there and tell them what happened here.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	Why would this have happened, bro?
	This remote appearance.
	What the fuck?
	Wait, can you mute it, Austin?
	Here, just mute the.
	I think they're just trying to figure out the Discord.
	So, okay, you pick Bear because they're cute and cuddly.
	Okay, that's a good answer.
	That's wonderful.
	Okay, I'll just rapid fire the rest.
	Who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	The reason for war?
	Men.
	No, no.
	Primary victim.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	So you know, if you get shot and you die, you're like a victim, kind of?
	That whole thing?
	Woman.
	Wait, I kind of fucked that up.
	But okay, oh, women, primary victim of war?
	Okay.
	No, men.
	Men?
	Okay.
	Men yeah, men.
	Yes.
	Men.
	Of course, men.
	Men.
	All right.
	Is it wrong for a man to not want to date?
	This is definitely a dating question.
	Wrong for men to not want to date a trans woman.
	People have different preferences, so that's valid.
	Okay.
	No, I don't think it's wrong.
	Okay.
	No, I don't think it's wrong.
	No.
	No.
	All right.
	Are men or women physically stronger?
	That's woman.
	Oh, men.
	Men.
	Men.
	Oh, sorry.
	I thought you said women.
	Did anybody else hear women?
	Men.
	I said men.
	Okay.
	Men.
	Women.
	Actually, ridiculous.
	I think Andrew's texting me.
	Hold on.
	You think women are physically stronger?
	Why is that?
	I just feel like we can be.
	But that's not the question.
	Sure.
	Yeah, there are some women that are stronger than some men.
	Sure.
	But I'm asking in general.
	Like, are women.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	Are women shorter than men?
	Yes.
	Are men taller than women?
	Yes.
	Are there some women that are taller than men?
	Yes.
	Yeah, but generally speaking, men are taller, right?
	But do you, will this also apply to are men or women physically stronger?
	Men are stronger.
	Oh my god.
	Okay.
	Well done.
	We fixed you.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	Yes.
	I think so.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	It's not dating.
	It's not a dating question.
	It's kind of dating.
	No.
	Not at all.
	You want it there, but it's not dating.
	I'll get it there.
	I'll get it there.
	Just wait.
	Just wait.
	I'll get it there.
	Trust me.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	She wants to say no.
	Yeah.
	You want to say no.
	Just say what you mean.
	Just what you mean.
	No.
	Say what you mean.
	What you think.
	I think as of lately, yeah.
	Based on just like passing conversations, hearing other people talk, and I'm like, ooh, okay.
	I mean, yeah, that's a little extreme, but.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	You can be racist to anyone and anything.
	All right, there you have it.
	Let's see.
	Oh, the feminist one.
	Oh, do you think you're oppressed?
	Yes.
	Oh, my God.
	This girl.
	No.
	Nope.
	No.
	Why are you oppressed?
	She wants a bit of attention, eh?
	We'll give you a bit of attention.
	Here you go.
	All right, go ahead.
	You're oppressed.
	Go ahead.
	Andrew's bugged, boys, by the way.
	Andrew's bugged.
	Andrew's bugged.
	He will be back.
	He will be back.
	Patience.
	Patience, young Jedis.
	What the?
	Did I just, oh my God, please smack me and then say, don't smack me.
	You've got a strong.
	It's the geek inside of you.
	Strong.
	Since women are stronger than men.
	It's true, yeah.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	Let's see.
	Do you beat up your boyfriend in this thing?
	Have you ever fucked him up?
	Like, you went into close fists, but you'd smack him, right?
	Into like a.
	Yeah, I could definitely beat him in a fight because women are stronger than men.
	You gotta hit that button.
	Just letting you know, if it's a misdemeanor battery, the statute, even misdemeanor, the battery, the statute of limitations, hasn't.
	You've only been dating the guy for four months.
	Just wait six more months so you can admit to being a man-beater, okay?
	All right.
	Let's see.
	Do we need men?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	What years were World War I and World War II?
	What years were World War I and World War II?
	I have no idea.
	World War I. I'm not sure.
	World War II is around the 1942 40s.
	Wait, you have to guess.
	Just take a guess.
	World War I. Take a guess.
	Just give me a decade.
	You don't gotta give me date range, start, end.
	Give me a decade.
	19 something?
	You want to finish the last two digits?
	That's not a decade, that's a century.
	That's a century.
	That's a century.
	You got the right century.
	I shouldn't have told you that.
	Fuck.
	Go ahead, take a guess.
	Before Christ or like BC or AC?
	Or is it AD?
	I don't know.
	1920?
	Okay.
	World War I, World War II?
	Date?
	There's a decade, my bad.
	I think, was it World War II being 1940, 1950?
	And then World War I was like 1930, 1990.
	Yeah.
	What about you?
	Okay, these are just guesses.
	Yeah.
	Maybe 1922 for World War I and for World War II, 1954.
	They're guesses.
	Go ahead.
	World War I, I would say around 1940.
	Actually, no.
	No, no, no.
	Go ahead.
	And then World War II?
	No, because I'm thinking about when my grandma was deported.
	Deported?
	Well, I'm from Europe.
	Which?
	Well, my grandma, she was deported from Estonia to Russia.
	And that was during the 1940s.
	So I'm just going to say World War II was 1940s.
	Okay.
	Emma?
	1337-ish?
	Okay, that's fair.
	Ish.
	Okay, World War II?
	37-ish.
	Before Christ?
	Like BC?
	No.
	Or AD?
	1937.
	Oh, you were saying 30 set 30s.
	No, no, no.
	1930.
	13.
	No, wait.
	1913 and 1937.
	Ish.
	Not bad.
	Not bad.
	Alright, good job.
	That was good.
	What is the answer?
	What are the answers?
	World War I, 1914, 1918, World War II, 1939, 1945.
	So some people were kind of kind of close.
	Is Andrew doing a little better or is he still?
	He's bugged boys.
	He's bugged boys.
	Uh, let's see here, and then I'm gonna get through the notes really quick.
	We're gonna do a row session, then we're gonna wrap the show.
	So, do we have a Raquel?
	We do have a Raquel Raquel Raquel yeah, Raquel, Raquel's.
	The Facebook thing um, do you guys want to share the conversation?
	You guys are sorry, we're just, we're talking about, like history oh yeah, of course.
	Yeah, I get it.
	Yeah, I do that all the time.
	I mean, you're just, we're all.
	Wow, you're so far from the mic, that's wonderful.
	Um sorry, being a little sassy, getting tired okay, uh bien, don't ban la Français.
	Uh Canada, the Canada, Je pense que la Canada, et per dui Perdu Vremont doncense, que les comont Canadien.
	Canadien oui, il d'roi Doua.
	Patriot patriot patriotique, tout patriot patriot, like they must be patriotic.
	how do you say it in french yeah patriot patriot patriot we are patriot your r's are really good Thank you very much.
	It's good.
	And so, I'm French, not Canadian.
	I do.
	I like Canadians more than French, it's true.
	Canadians.
	But I think because Canadians are I'm sure people love it.
	Comment, neighbor LES Voisain, LES Voisin Voisain de les êta UNI, c'est important.
	Canadien, LES Comment LES Zomme, LES Zomme.
	Merci Bouco, IL DROI retourné.
	Canada, La propère proper, la propre propre, merci.
	My French isn't trying to say something, I'm trying to say some deep shit.
	How about this?
	Je doi, un jour retourne France parseque, la France aussi, perdu pé sons perdu, c'est, c'est vre é bien.
	Donc, j'ai besoin, j'ai besoin de retourner à France parce que je devais, devais?
	Je devais changer le destin, changer l'avenir.
	Tu vas changer le destin?
	De mon peuple.
	Tu comprends?
	De ton pape?
	Tu comprends?
	Je ne suis pas sûre.
	Tu ne comprends pas?
	Bien, tu veux changer le destin de ton peuple.
	peple peu pas par França.
	Change bien France, tuite qui para bique vecoi.
	Oh, because you think you are, it's good confidence, la France per du, et je ve tout mon possible pour changer the destin, the.
	Okay.
	Et je bezoin de tonned merci bouco.
	Okay.
	Merci situ.
	C'est tousa.
	Ra vous défantastique.
	C'est tribien sa.
	You guys like that.
	All right.
	Wipe yourselves, ladies.
	Not you guys.
	Not you guys at the table, the viewers.
	Okay.
	Chill out, ladies.
	Chill out.
	Put it, keep your pants on.
	Just kidding.
	Yeah, because you put one.
	Oh, fuck.
	All right, brother.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Raquel.
	Yes.
	You said you come from a culture of bars and restaurants, so getting fucked and fucking and kissing anybody, everybody, each other, and thinking that this is just the norm.
	Trying to find love in the worst places, people, because the concept of love that you have is messed up.
	But there's the recovery, growth, and wisdom that come from a past.
	And I feel that's a very important part of dating that is really touched on.
	The fact that humans question themselves, hopefully lol, and become better and wiser even than someone who doesn't do the wild thing.
	Yeah.
	So you had a crazy.
	I mean, we talked about the body count.
	You were working in bars and restaurants and clubs.
	Getting fucking.
	It's the norm, you know, like everybody behind the bar.
	Have you ever fucked on the bar?
	No, not, I mean, sometimes, like, yeah, I mean, everything happens, like, no, in the bathroom or whatever, but it's like everybody gets so shit-faced.
	Nobody, you know, everybody just, it just doesn't matter.
	Like, there's no kind of importance in it, you know?
	Like, being with someone, there's an intimacy, there's something special about it.
	And but that's just gone when everybody's drunk.
	Okay.
	And then you also said, I have an ex-narcissist, oh, boy, boyfriend who destroyed my self-esteem.
	The guy on a positive note, forced me to rebuild myself and take my take of reality and regain confidence in myself.
	It could also be interesting to talk about the man I fell in love with when I was 25, but I was getting fucked up on booze and cheated on him and broke up with him, even if I loved him very, very incredibly much.
	So, again, like that culture of like the drinking and like going going out and kissing anybody, whatever.
	It's like I had a really good guy that I really loved and he really loved me, but I was just so caught up in, you know, but just like a shitty self-esteem.
	And like, that's why it comes going, like drinking and kissing and fucking, it's like you, it's like you think you gain value from that.
	You think you like you need love so much.
	And you think that the only way to get love, or you think that love means that you have to give sex.
	Like when you give sex, this is when you have value.
	This is how you think of things.
	And when you have that very messed up concept, then you mess, you could mess up really like great relationship.
	Fair.
	And I think it, because like with that comes like this idea of like the emancipation, you know, women.
	Like it's like you're liberating liberating to have sex and just be like casual or whatever.
	Well, I.
	This is a Bob Marley song.
	What's that song?
	Wait.
	Anybody know?
	You know what I'm talking about, Austin?
	You're a music guy.
	I don't know the name.
	Emancipation song?
	No.
	I think you're talking about redemption song.
	Oh, redemption song.
	I think something.
	Emancipation.
	Maybe there's another one.
	Emancipation song.
	But like, you know, this, yeah, I just think this idea that like you're just, you love casual, you don't need anything, you don't want anything from men.
	I just think it's a lie.
	I don't think it's true.
	And I think alcohol really messes up with that whole thing because when you drink, you know, you just don't care anymore.
	In your notes, you did also say that Why I wasn't ready to accept a good man like this, and how the guy you cheated on that you loved, and how I messed everything up because I was partying and lost and just unable to communicate, didn't understand myself, didn't know how to care for someone or how to let someone care for me.
	As long as you don't love yourself properly, you can't be in a relationship.
	There's all this backstory to why you choose every single person you date.
	What are you getting from them according to the concept of love you have and what you learn from it or should learn from it?
	You said, I'd love to talk about honesty towards oneself.
	You said modern dating.
	I'm going to skip that one, but you said modern dating is like McDonald's.
	It's just junk.
	It's quick, it's fake, it demands the least amount of effort, and it doesn't focus on what you really need.
	Online dating is fucking weird, although I'm not against it.
	Oh no, like sometimes you can like cop an in-and-out burger, you know?
	Yeah, I just think it depends what you love.
	It's like fast food, at least I like it's like good ingredients, but like but is it really fulfilling?
	I don't know, I eat it, yeah, yeah, but you're not.
	Yeah, but you didn't answer, but that's what I mean.
	Like, you're gonna be too much in and out, but how really is gonna like you should choose things in life that really fulfill you, that really makes you feel peaceful, that makes you feel you know that that makes you grow, that makes you a better person.
	Does the whatever burger makes you that?
	I don't think so.
	Maybe I'm wrong.
	Maybe.
	Katerina.
	Wait.
	Wait, Katerina.
	Hold on.
	Katerina?
	Katarina, yes.
	Where are you from, by the way?
	Like Estonia?
	Estonia, okay.
	You speak Estonian?
	Russian, too.
	That's cool.
	You said you're in your pre-show notes, it said you were in a relationship.
	Yeah, I was.
	I was just confused kind of how to answer that question because I was in the middle of everything, you know, and I didn't want to just say something until it was finalized.
	But yeah.
	But so you're single, correct?
	I am single now.
	You think you have a lot of different crazy situations happen in your dating life, but I want to emphasize the difference I encountered from dating in Europe compared to dating in the US.
	And you moved from Europe three years ago.
	So you prefer the US guys or European?
	I do think that in Europe they have more of like people commit to serious relationships, especially at my age, more often than here.
	At least where I'm from, from Eastern Europe.
	And I think a part of it has to do with like Western media less affecting Eastern Europe less.
	Like West Europe and Eastern Europe are completely different.
	Completely different.
	And because of the media is affecting way less countries like Estonia, Finland, you know, even Russia, Belarus.
	I think the dating is more healthy over there.
	I noticed that in America, like I mentioned with the social media and everything, it's just way harder to find someone who, I guess, really is trying to work problems out.
	I think people back out on the first try they can get.
	As soon as things get a little bit hard, they just back out here.
	That's what I noticed.
	One of the main things.
	Has anybody here ever had a threesome?
	Not me.
	Show of hands.
	Anybody?
	Going once?
	Never.
	No threesomes.
	Why don't you believe?
	Something you want to tell us?
	Okay.
	Going to you, actually, on your notes.
	You said your talking stage lasted for seven months.
	I learned a lot from that experience, and I will never allow myself to extend the talking stage to that length ever again.
	I think this sort of situation is actually quite common rather than unique, but its nature is a bit ridiculous.
	Yes.
	So, usually I think in general, the talking stage for like between like people in a relationship or trying to pursue a relationship is usually three months.
	I think that's usually the average time of like when a guy decides like, okay, I want to commit.
	But we, it's pretty, like, I think it was more of a transitionary phase.
	Like, this person was about to graduate and move back to their hometown.
	So I didn't want to admit it that it was a transitionary phase, but I already accepted that it was, I was part of that point in their life that I was pretty much the transition.
	And so it extended for a bit too long because I was just waiting, like, okay, like, are you going to ask me out or are you not going to ask me out?
	And we definitely did the thing that should be technically done after being asked out, but or like after establishing exclusivity, but we didn't.
	So no.
	But I definitely did extend it.
	I don't know.
	What are you talking about?
	Like, like things, you know?
	Yeah, like third base.
	Third base.
	Third base.
	So like, damn.
	Watch out.
	I feel like I didn't.
	You know, I was kind of holding on to it a little bit.
	Third base.
	Wait, you were holding on to the third base.
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	I mean, wait, hold it.
	What were you?
	Wait, holding on to what?
	Sorry.
	Like, holding on to the fact that, like, oh, like, we could possibly be something because I've already gave a lot to you.
	Oh, that kind of holding on.
	My bad.
	I thought you were.
	Okay, sorry.
	No, bro.
	I'm not holding on to like a dick, like a hose while they're peeing.
	Yeah, that's why I was asking because you were like Brian with is that like what you're into or not?
	No.
	Actually.
	You just revealed a lot of information there, bro.
	Honest, look, hey, some girls like to be peed on.
	Good for you.
	Oh, not my thing personally.
	I don't think it's a lot of people's things.
	We're not going to yuck your yum.
	Weird.
	Bro, because this is an inclusive space.
	This is a safe space.
	If you like to golden showers, your friend seems to know something.
	Your friend here.
	Yeah, because you're like literally telling the person.
	She likes to be peed on?
	No, I don't like to be peed on.
	Oh, sorry.
	You don't?
	She likes to peek on.
	Oh, shit, son.
	Girl, she's trolling.
	But is she?
	No, I don't like to get peed on.
	I don't.
	I was joking about that.
	But she knows a story.
	Yeah, she knows the story.
	What's the story?
	Tell him.
	Tell him.
	What story do I have that you know?
	Water sip.
	With your situation?
	Do I like to pee?
	Do I like to get peed on or not?
	Oh, oh, oh, nah, nah, nah, nah.
	Wrong person, my person.
	Wrong person.
	Wrong person, my bad.
	Oh, yeah.
	Of course.
	Of course, of course.
	So, wait, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, I lost track of like.
	Yeah, so So you're talking about your seven-month talking stage.
	I think you were mentioning something about like he wanted to date you, but then when you revealed to him that you have this pee fetish, he kind of like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	He was like, hold up, dog.
	He was like, ah, man, I liked you, but now that you told me that this is weird, like he wasn't accepting.
	Nah, dude, I never got peed on.
	Bro, just look, it's okay if you got peed on.
	Dude, no, girl.
	Girl.
	I think you're asking the question to the wrong girl.
	Oh, she got beat on.
	Wait, for real?
	She likes it.
	How did we start talking about peeing, man?
	Yo, crazy.
	I'm just trying to have like a wholesome dating podcast and y'all start talking about it.
	You started it.
	That was crazy.
	That was you.
	That wasn't me.
	That was her.
	No, you said golden shower.
	That was you who brought it out.
	I'm going to gaslight this whole thing.
	She brought that shit up.
	Yeah, you guys letting.
	I'm gaslighting.
	See men do it right now.
	Look, it's okay.
	Look, it's okay.
	Look, some.
	I'm not into that, but that's cool for you, dog.
	Bro, I'm not into that, but that's cool for you, bro.
	I don't even, no, I don't like that, dude.
	Like.
	Look, it's okay.
	I know it's like it's definitely.
	It's okay if you're into it, though.
	It's okay.
	No, it's okay.
	Like, look, I get it.
	It's okay.
	It's fine.
	Yeah.
	Like, it's fine.
	If people like the fetish, but I don't like that.
	No, but like, be your true genuine self.
	Like, why you gotta front?
	My true genuine.
	Be real.
	Why are you fronting?
	Bro, I don't, dude, I don't like getting peed on, but I definitely like getting like tied up.
	Look, it's open.
	Oh.
	Word?
	Word.
	Yeah, word.
	By the way, Andrew's coming back.
	Andrew's coming back.
	We're trying to get Andrew back, by the way, chat.
	We're trying to get him back.
	Dude, our personalities look literally flip, bro.
	I wasn't supposed to.
	What's it called?
	Sorry, sorry, I mean.
	The tying up?
	It's like Shabar.
	Bondage.
	No, but there's a Shabar.
	Sh DSM.
	Oh.
	Shabbar?
	Shibari?
	What?
	Shibari.
	Japanese bondage.
	Shibari.
	Oh, shibi.
	Like that kind of shit.
	Well, that kind of.
	That is kind of like, I think it's aesthetic.
	Aesthetic?
	Girl, it is.
	Record next time.
	No, hell no, I'm not doing that.
	It's for behind the doors.
	All right, good talk.
	Okay, more getting through your notes here.
	Oh, yes.
	Dating topics of interest.
	What are each other's red flags?
	What is considered a red flag from the other speakers?
	How to know when to leave a relationship?
	That's a fun little topic that we can do pretty quickly.
	Red flag?
	Like myself or guys?
	In guys.
	You're the entire red flag, girl.
	Not a red flag.
	Yeah, girl.
	Entire red flag.
	Bro, where's the green?
	It ain't even blinking.
	Oh, I was gonna wear green today.
	Girl, wait, you shouldn't match with me.
	No, for real.
	What the fuck?
	I would say.
	See, a guy that doesn't know how to communicate, that gives no efforts.
	And gaslighter, manipulator.
	Your situation shit.
	Can we open the doors?
	Your crushes.
	Don't call me up.
	All your fucking relationships.
	Yes.
	No, it literally.
	Girl, dude, the fact that we like entered this whole podcast with your situation is crazy, girl.
	Like, girl.
	See, no, that's the pinnacle of red flag, girl.
	No, I'm going through it right now, too.
	You guys from Compton or Orange County?
	Yeah, we're from Orange County.
	I'm from Anaheim.
	There's a black person in here.
	I'm from Ana Crime, y'all.
	I'm from the Bay.
	Maybe.
	Hey, but you catch me at Seaside Bakery.
	Alright, if you're NorCal, I guess you get the pass, right?
	Yeah, I get a pass.
	How about you?
	Girl, I don't even want to say stuff like that, though.
	Why do you want to say stuff like that?
	What the fuck?
	Gotta have some burnette.
	Wait, what's the difference between NorCal and SoCal Asians?
	This is our shit right here.
	Okay, but I'm gonna go.
	No, You can go first.
	So we're Seaside Bakery TikTokers.
	No, no, no, no.
	You have to go first, girl.
	You have to go first.
	Meers, yeah.
	See, I would say with NorthCal, I feel like our fashion's completely different.
	Go closer to Mike.
	Bro, she thought I was like, oh, I thought you were doing this.
	I was like, oh, yeah.
	I feel like our styles are very different.
	I feel like with North Cal hoodie sweatpants.
	Everyone's wearing hoodie sweatpants.
	But in SoCal, like, we got the Stusi, we got the Essential Chrome hearts, right?
	Car hearts.
	Car hearts?
	Yeah, a car heart.
	Isn't it like Chrome hearts?
	That too, I guess.
	Opium.
	Opium.
	What the?
	We got the opium fits.
	And what else?
	Who's nicer, you think?
	Because I feel like North Cal are more chill and more like.
	Bro, I think like NorCal is a like NorCal guys are a bit more stoic and they are a bit tougher.
	Yeah, like much tougher.
	Like get into fights, crimes, and stuff.
	In SoCal, there's nothing like that.
	SoCal guys are like...
	Soft, soft boy.
	What about like Texas Asians?
	Like you're from Texas, right?
	Oh, Keshi.
	Keshi!
	Keshi!
	Keshi's a Texan!
	Oh, my gosh, bro.
	I mean, we're...
	honestly i only know like two texans one being keshi and then like momo We have a friend named Matt.
	He's from Texas.
	Shout out Matt.
	He's a musician.
	Yeah, he's a musician.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Yeah, dude, you just chill.
	I mean, he's chill.
	Not my chill.
	Yo, boys, TTS is 20.
	TTS is 20.
	Just letting you know.
	Rose session, Rose Session.
	What is it?
	I think, like, they're chill.
	I don't know too much about Texans besides guns.
	But I do need advice, though.
	On what?
	What happened if you like a guy and he says that he doesn't want a relationship, but he found out you were with his friend last night and he confronted you about that?
	What?
	Yeah.
	So you're talking to a dude.
	He doesn't want a relationship with you.
	Doesn't want a relationship with me?
	You fucked his boy.
	I did not.
	I went to Seaside to create content with him.
	And then fucked him?
	No, I did not.
	He's a TikTok.
	Blowy?
	Huh?
	Blowy?
	No, she didn't do shit, bro.
	No, I didn't.
	Oh, you're the one telling her to chill out on all the blowjobs.
	You said chill out on the blowjobs.
	Oh my god, he's probably watching this right now, but I started on no.
	What's okay?
	We didn't do anything.
	We were.
	And he's mad at you.
	He's mad at me.
	That you.
	That I was hanging out.
	That I was hanging out with his friend at like 2 a.m. 4 a.m. The Lulu.
	At Seaside.
	But we're not exclusive.
	We're not talking.
	It's just like he just.
	Do you guys smash?
	No.
	He's upset?
	He's upset, yeah.
	That's probably a wrap it up.
	Like, not condom use.
	I mean, like.
	Just wrap up that.
	What do you mean that?
	Well, for him, it's probably a rock.
	And when I hear stories like that, I'm just, I'm just like, why, though?
	Hmm?
	I'm just.
	I'm just wondering why.
	Like, what is it that you're, what is it that you're doing?
	What is it that you want?
	What I want?
	Like, he doesn't want a relationship with you, okay?
	Then you went to not whatever.
	Like, did you do it out of spider or like you want, like, for attention?
	So that the guy that you actually like, did you was there like a subtext?
	We were just friends.
	Me and the guy that created content and took the fancy side?
	Yeah, we were just friends and we just wanted to create content together.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And I did pick him up at his house.
	But I mean, you, okay.
	But you want to be in a relationship with him?
	Just in general.
	Do you want a committed relationship?
	I would say, like, if I find the right person, yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Word.
	I mean, I'm just saying, like, so that guy that's mad at you, you're not going to have a relationship with him, anyways.
	Why?
	Like, does it matter then if he's mad?
	That's beautiful.
	That's why I told him that.
	That's so true.
	You know what I mean?
	Like, what is it that you're like, what is that you're actually getting?
	He has no reason to get mad.
	Exactly.
	And that's why you should think of it as it's not that deep.
	And honestly, check yourself.
	That's what you can tell.
	No, not you.
	Check him.
	You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself, fool.
	It's crazy because you might know him.
	You might, maybe.
	White guy?
	I might know him.
	You might know him.
	Huh?
	He's a.
	I know, like, I know him?
	Probably.
	Logan?
	Logan?
	Is it Logan?
	Paul?
	Logan.
	No.
	Edward?
	Is it Edward?
	Colin?
	What?
	That was a good one.
	I'm Team Jacob.
	Oh, wait, okay.
	Let's see here.
	You said, how I view relationships and love.
	Colon, transactional?
	Yes, I'd like to talk about this.
	So, no, no, no.
	So, how I see the way relationships are kind of in terms of self-fulfillment or fulfillment through another partner is transactional.
	So, when you're in a relationship with someone, right?
	You like that person, you do things for them.
	In a way, you're kind of expecting something back in return, right?
	You love the person enough, but like, to be realistic, there's always going to be some sort of limitation to how much you're going to give.
	So, let's say love, right?
	But let's turn it into a form of money.
	You're a cashier.
	Your partner is a customer that goes to your store every day.
	Let's say you gave them more charge of money, like in return, than they should get, right?
	So, like, this guy needs 50 cents, but you gave him a dollar.
	Is the guy gonna complain about the dollar?
	No, he's not gonna complain about the dollar.
	The more you keep making that sort of investment, that like, hey, like, I'll just keep giving him a dollar and, like, hopefully, like, you know, things are okay, bro.
	Is gonna keep taking it and taking it.
	Um, sometimes in certain situations, maybe the guy's like, oh, you probably overcharged me.
	And then you're like, oh, okay, but it's fine.
	Like, it's just a couple of cents or whatever.
	The more they don't complain, right?
	The more you're going to lose business because you're not keeping the exact amount of change you needed in exchange, right?
	So then you're going to be like, oh, shit.
	Shit, I need to run my business.
	I need to, I need some money.
	Like, I'm not getting anything in return.
	And so, like, matter of communication-wise, it's obviously like, hey, checking in, like, you're giving me a bit too much, or you're giving me under, you're undercharging me.
	So that's why I like you could use money as an analogy to pretty much explain like fulfillment in relationships in terms of love.
	How much love you give, how much love you're lacking of, and ways to really go about it is just a matter of communication.
	But some people are not really as good as communicating sort of needs or wants.
	So yeah.
	What?
	Can anybody translate what she just?
	I'm sorry.
	That was just like...
	I don't know, man.
	I'm a yapper.
	Did anybody follow what she was saying?
	Yeah, so like if you get into a relationship where like you give, you give, you give, and you can create a synergy where the other person is just going to take and take and take and take if you don't have like good boundaries and you have to figure out if you got the money and you want to spend it all the way, bro.
	There's girls out there who are like, be your analogy.
	All this shit.
	No, but for me, maybe you want to be, though, if you got the money, like, and you're like, I want to spend it all on you.
	Like, take my money.
	Take my get into financial dominatrix.
	I'll take you, though.
	Okay.
	But you were making an analogy.
	Yes.
	I was just messing around with him, but yeah.
	Okay.
	So wait.
	So just you view relationships as transactional?
	No, the amount of self-like self-fulfillment or like fulfillment in a relationship in terms of needs and wants can be like compared to I guess money.
	Because money has value, right?
	Oh boy.
	And love is a value.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	Go get a currency.
	Money is a currency?
	It is a currency.
	But love, love, put that.
	That is like.
	She's making an analogy.
	I'm making an analogy.
	Money is money.
	And money is currency.
	But yeah.
	Good talk.
	Yeah, love, love can be compared to currency.
	Not saying that you have to quantize, you know.
	I get it.
	But, I mean, it's just like, okay, like, like, am I, like, am I. Do you want you to give me like 50-50 or 60-40, whatever?
	I'm more of like a 99-1 type of person.
	Bro, you should be the one that's like raining money on the women, financial dominatrix.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, no, we'll be talking about the pay pigs.
	No.
	Pay pigs, bro.
	Bro, I want to see some sock.
	I want to see a little bit of dog.
	I'll spend money on that shit.
	Like, you could be that person and save a girl from poverty.
	Yes.
	Oxford study.
	Yeah, it's an Oxford.
	No, but it only applies to like Asian women and men.
	White men.
	I'm just saying in general.
	Wait, you don't know his type.
	Does he like Asian women?
	Wait, he said that his ex-girlfriend was...
	Dude!
	Dude, that was a fake TikTok.
	He's just saying that for the actual.
	That was your actual girlfriend.
	There you go.
	He likes Asian.
	Oh, no, that's Asian girls.
	You like Asian girls?
	I like white girls too.
	Do that for any kind of girl.
	It's like white, Asian, pretty equal.
	And then you have like Latinas.
	And then.
	I love Latinas.
	That's crazy.
	Odittari loves Latinas.
	What?
	What's crazy?
	What's your type?
	Nerds.
	I like nerds.
	The type of nerds that I like, they gotta be at least, I mean, guess attractive and attract attraction is subjective, but I like the nerds that definitely have like a like a like a niche interest.
	Like it could be like math or it could be like comics or it could be like is it Star Wars, Legos, Rubik's Cube?
	Bro, if a man could do Rubik's Cube within like one to three minutes, goddamn ethnicity-wise, Asian, Asian, yeah, that's why we're different.
	Yeah, that's where we're different.
	You whitewashed as hell, girl.
	No, I totally like that.
	You just said you made you made an Instagram reel saying who's the whitewash Asian and who's the ABG so she's not in my content.
	I swear to God, when she makes reels sometimes, I just let her do whatever the caption is, bro.
	I'm just an actor.
	ABG.
	ABG?
	Asian baby girls.
	That is you.
	That's not.
	Are you an ABG?
	I am not an ABG.
	We're seaside ABGs from Seaside.
	That is our acting role.
	That's our title.
	Yeah, we just pretend to be ABGs for videos.
	Are you an ABG?
	I don't think so.
	And Anissa, are you a ABG?
	Oh, okay.
	That's cool.
	Yeah.
	What do you think ABGs are?
	I want to hear your opinion.
	What do I?
	I don't know what it.
	It stands for what?
	Asian baby girl?
	Is that what you said?
	Asian baby girl.
	I don't think I've.
	Wait, that's not true.
	I have.
	I think I have dated one.
	Dude.
	Okay.
	Like, like, tell us.
	Like, what's what's the story?
	Like, what was your interaction?
	Yeah, like, what was your interaction with that?
	What was the interaction?
	Yeah, like, how does she look?
	I want to know.
	Dude, was she bad?
	Balayage.
	Okay, okay.
	Of course, of course.
	Balayage.
	Boba.
	Boba.
	Okay, okay.
	Okay.
	Vietnamese.
	Italian.
	That's you.
	Bitch.
	That's you.
	No.
	Wait, actually, no.
	No, no.
	They say what comes around is the Vietnamese-Filipino combination is hell.
	It doesn't matter.
	That's you, bro.
	Bro, but like negative multiplied with negative makes positive.
	So I'm positive, girl.
	Bruh.
	I'm hella positive.
	I think Chinese are green flies, right?
	I guess so.
	They're more family-oriented.
	See?
	I'm a green flag.
	Okay, but like, okay, let's say you were to date an Asian guy.
	And this goes for any of you guys.
	I can't.
	Oh, go ahead.
	Like, if you're a dating.
	I've dated an Asian guy.
	Yeah, but if you were to date an Asian guy, which particular ethnicity of an Asian dude and why?
	You go first.
	Asian guys don't like me.
	I know.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Did we just not cover the fact that we get more DMs than guys do?
	So.
	Probably like Thai guy for me.
	Want a Thai guy?
	Yeah, like I'd go Thai.
	Oh, so you could do muay thai with him Bro Koreans.
	Oh, and then honestly, you could go for a lady boy.
	Why did you say ladyboy?
	A lady boy.
	Lady Boy?
	That's crazy.
	Okay, you.
	That's crazy.
	I said Koreans.
	And you know who.
	Wait, are you saying which is the most toxic?
	No, we're just saying, like, no, which one would you date?
	At least your wise and why.
	You say King?
	Korean.
	How about you, Rachel?
	What?
	Okay, I'm not really attracted to Asian people.
	That's fine.
	Are you part Asian?
	People think that, but I'm Italian.
	You could and part native.
	Potentially.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	You can get benefits.
	But yeah, I don't.
	Like, nothing against Asian, but not physically attractive to me.
	I like white boys.
	Yo, we're where was this energy from y'all all night?
	Oh, we weren't.
	I was leaving it, Loki.
	Last night.
	We were being charged.
	My back was hurting the entire time, bro.
	I got scoliosis.
	You didn't even finish your pizza.
	You didn't finish your pizza.
	I was going to eat it.
	Have that shit.
	For real?
	Have it, dude.
	I'm not going to be able to do it.
	I'm feeding the child.
	Come on.
	You saved this shit for the last five minutes of the show.
	No, just extend it.
	Extend the shit.
	Let's get it.
	Oh, and by the way, guys, I paused the TTS temperature.
	We'll let the roast session come in in just a moment.
	We're trying to get Andrew back, guys.
	We're trying to get Andrew back.
	Andrews, let me just double-check.
	I'm pretty sure we finished up all the pre-show notes.
	We'll do a roast session, then we'll wrap up.
	Let's see here.
	Wait, so you're are you like trying to get like a pay pig or you have had a pay pig?
	Uh, no, I was just saying sugar daddy.
	No.
	Uh-oh.
	Girl, I think you would.
	What's a pay pig?
	Wait, she.
	Oh, a pay pig is.
	Oh, yes.
	So my understanding of a pay pig is that there's these men who have a lot of money, right?
	Had a lot of money, but their kink is to spend on women that would dominate them.
	Like, like, be bullied by them.
	Like, the crazy.
	It's like dominant.
	Of course, it was kind of like diametrix.
	Diamondrix, but like financial-wise, like take all my money.
	Bro, if I were to like hypothetically say, like, speak, like, like, hypothetically say that I do have a pay pig, bro.
	I'm going to go to Gentle Monster, right?
	Gentle Monster tomorrow.
	Bro, I swear to God, dude, I'll get the metal frames.
	Just my optometrist assistant speaking out right now.
	The frames are amazing, bro.
	We love it, but I can't have it in the.
	Wait, so you're saying it would turn you on to Findom a dude?
	Is that what you're saying?
	No, no.
	It's not what she just said.
	What?
	She's on.
	No, no, no.
	I just have.
	No, a pay pig is someone who has a lot of money that wants to be dominated by a woman.
	Which is what you want to do.
	It's just a matter of means that hypothetically seems like, like, why not?
	You know?
	There's no sexual.
	No sexual at all.
	You don't show anything.
	That's really weird.
	You know, I hear a lot of women that are like, oh, like, he's just giving me money.
	I don't have to do anything.
	I'm like, I don't.
	At most, like, 99.9%.
	It's not.
	I don't believe it.
	What?
	Really?
	No.
	People send me money.
	Just like that.
	I don't do anything or say anything.
	They send you money.
	People send you money.
	No.
	Wait, wait, girl, Jet Andrew Jet once.
	Who the fuck is that guy?
	Jet once.
	You don't have to do anything.
	Don't send photos.
	Oh, the what?
	What are you talking about?
	No, You don't do any photos when you have a pay pig.
	No, no, no.
	You don't have to show any like snakes.
	No, but she's like, I just receive money with no, like, you don't have to do anything.
	You don't talk to them.
	You don't, you don't, you don't.
	There's no sex texting.
	There's no photos.
	There's no.
	They're just like, hey, I want to just give you money.
	Yeah.
	I just don't see.
	You don't believe that?
	I don't know.
	I don't see why.
	What do you get?
	I feel like you wouldn't want to get someone.
	Guys, roast sessions.
	$20 TTS.
	$20 TTS.
	Spending $40 plus/slash WK together will do that.
	And alcohol kaboom.
	But serving this table would be an example, PFY we drink as well.
	I hate her.
	Serving this table.
	Snap more donated $20.
	Walk to a please stop.
	You're out cringing, Rickson.
	More geek check DMs.
	Oh, she doesn't get DMs.
	All right.
	Boom.
	Walk to what is asked me, bro.
	GMD gym donated $20.
	Blowing the high IQ Asian myth completely out of the water.
	You go, girls.
	You put them in the hood and they will become hood in just one generation.
	OC the hooded, donated, donated $20.
	Ladies, chivalry is disappearing because real women do not exist anymore.
	Chivalry goes hand in hand with real femininity.
	Women used to be the prize.
	Why be chivalrous anymore?
	I think it's a vicious cycle.
	What happened to the Austin?
	That might have got moved?
	Yeah, I need a.
	Can you remind me after we wrap to fix that?
	I think it just got moved in OBS.
	Dragon's Talon, is it any wonder why these 30 foes are single?
	Yo, chat, by the way, should episode 304 be the last episode of the whatever podcast?
	I think that might honestly.
	That could be in the cards.
	I don't know.
	We'll see.
	Okay, like the video, guys.
	We'll do a very short roast session.
	$20 TTS if you want to get the final roast in.
	You need to roast Anissa.
	You need to roast her because she's from Estonia.
	And we love Estonians.
	You need to roast that lady.
	You need to roast her over there who's got a FinDum thing.
	Well, no, but it's just funny to entertain.
	Honestly.
	Whatever.
	Wait, can you demonstrate?
	Pretend Anissa here is a dude?
	Like a hot dude?
	Like a hot Asian dude or whatever.
	Oh, okay.
	That's your type.
	Can you riz up?
	I'm nervous already.
	Oh my gosh.
	What would your guy name be?
	Just say Arnold.
	That's not Asian, bro.
	I'm just kidding.
	Arnold.
	Well, Anissa, Arnold, it's the closest I could think.
	Okay, let's see the Riz.
	Go ahead.
	That's the thing.
	I wouldn't approach first.
	Oh, my.
	You said literally that you would chase.
	Wait, are we talking about financial dominatrix?
	What the fuck?
	No, no, at the beginning of the podcast.
	Like, I'm a chaser.
	Oh, me.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Shit.
	No, I'm like so lost because I was like, wait, are we talking about how I would approach a dude if I was in a fin dumb like situation?
	Or if I'm not in general, oh, in general?
	Okay, okay.
	Okay.
	I'm like scatter brain, but anyway.
	So riz her up.
	Or riz him up.
	Riz up, Arnold.
	Up to it.
	Andrew's Master Batterfan.
	Donated $50.
	Long time listener, first time donator.
	Yeah, thank you, man.
	Keep up the good work, Brian and Andrew.
	Not one step back, boys.
	Yo, thank you so much for the first time donation.
	Really appreciate it, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Big 50.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay, Riz, go.
	Hi, how you doing?
	What's up?
	Yeah, so, um, like, I haven't seen you around in our club, like, have you, oh my god.
	Yeah.
	Have you, um, are you transfer?
	Yeah, actually.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Nice.
	What new are you?
	I'm a sucking year.
	Oh, sweet, sweet.
	I'm, I'm a fifth year.
	So, um, just wondering, like, uh, like, what do you like to do?
	Um, I like to solve Rubik's cubes.
	Damn, me too.
	I like solving Rubik's Cubes.
	Like, um, like, what's your time?
	Um, 20 seconds.
	That's crazy.
	I can't even do it, like, within one minute.
	Wait, do you like, do you like keyboards?
	Yeah.
	Bro, what's your words per minute?
	70.
	Damn, you're really good with your hands.
	Bro, I'm like, but honestly, my words per minute is like 128.
	Was it a W?
	Um, yeah.
	Oh.
	Does she get the digits?
	Yeah, since you're pretty good with your hands, I was wondering if you could, like, text your phone number online.
	Yeah chat, we got it.
	Chat we're in we're in chat hot asian nerd What, what?
	Why are you stopping me?
	I was in my moment.
	Oh yeah, keep going, go ahead.
	You're doing good continue, continue.
	Yes, go ahead.
	You got it.
	You got this.
	What?
	What the with the sound you want?
	I can't play it again here.
	I can't tough note here.
	Let me, I got you.
	I got you.
	Were you ready?
	Yeah, but if I do it, if I play the sound, you gotta, what were you saying?
	You're on your shit.
	Continue okay, you ready, but you're gonna talk while this is playing ready.
	I don't know how to feel about this situation.
	I think it happened too fast, like maybe i'm just a clown.
	You know what i'm saying, so you know what.
	I'm gonna give it a shot, but I know i'm like gonna do this good talk.
	Okay, let me let the rest of the roast come through, guys.
	Last call on the TTS.
	Last call on the TTS.
	I agree, don't end up donated 19.99 for the cameras.
	I'd love to see who has the nicest teeth and who needs their tooths fixed.
	Men, stay away from bad teeth.
	All right, let's smile everybody.
	The camera, that's so fucking.
	That's weird.
	I got tooth jumps.
	That me.
	That might be some guy's red flag.
	Tooth jumps.
	All right, let's see here.
	If we have no, I think that's it okay any final thoughts from any of the panelists before we wrap things up?
	My back is hurting, but i'm not big backed, because obviously I didn't finish my pizza.
	What's big back mean?
	Like you're fat yeah okay oh, is that what it really means?
	Oh, fuck man.
	Or like big bag means like into the mic, into the mic.
	A big bag means like big stomach and your back be hurting.
	You know, like my back always hurting, bro.
	Yeah people, ain't that some shit.
	Okay guys, we're gonna wrap up the show.
	If you want, you can still get a your last minute roast in last minute.
	Uh, twenty dollar tts uh, guys.
	Final thing, if you can go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and the prime sub if you have one.
	If you have Amazon Prime, you can link it to her twitch.
	Quick free, easy way to support the show every single month.
	We're joining you here from NPR Radio.
	I'm your host, Brian Atlas.
	Uh, make sure to drop a follow and it's been uh, 40 minutes okay sorry sorry, 40 minutes, since we last had a prime sub.
	If you guys can drop us a prime, we have a discord, discord.gg.
	Slash whatever.
	We post the bts.
	Maybe we'll post the bts of that girl who walked off guys.
	Discord.gg slash whatever i'll, we'll see.
	We'll see if we can post the bts.
	I don't think there was much, but maybe if we pull up the discord I can show you.
	Derek Pinkney donated twenty dollars.
	The Asian woman in the white blouse is by far the most attractive, but it's mostly because she's quiet and seems intelligent.
	Brains over beauty.
	First time donator Brian Atlas donated nineteen dollars and ninety nine complimentary.
	My Dumpty goes like this.
	Burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, burrito, and comes back like this.
	Dabamonian donated $20.
	That's crazy.
	I think it's reasonable to say that males increase in value with age and females become devalued.
	At what age will have no longer be viable?
	I don't know.
	Like, is it though?
	Because, Austin, can we just pull up like young Brian photos?
	Because I feel like I peaked a while ago, you know?
	Just oh, my Instagram?
	Just pull it up.
	Do you want to surface?
	Yeah, go stroll to start at the bottom.
	Made our way to the top.
	And then.
	Is there.
	Is that you?
	Yeah, that's like.
	That's me.
	Rip.
	Donated, donated, donated $20.
	Anissa, for the love of God, please shut up.
	Hey, let the other girls speak.
	Hey, you are a lot more intelligent when your lips are sealed.
	You talk way too much, okay?
	I'm sick and tired of you just yapping all night.
	Just yap, yap, yap, Anissa.
	It's unacceptable.
	I'm a yapper.
	I kind of feel though, for like if we do a segment where a girl has to like pretend to be a guy, I mean, we framed it differently, like you're the dude.
	But you're actually the perfect girl to like be a girl and then have a girl try to hit on you as a dude.
	That's kind of a is that a compliment, I think, I think, you know?
	Thank you.
	I think it's a compliment.
	Okay, anyways.
	Because you do a good job.
	Yeah, I'm very in touch with my masculinity.
	No, no, no, that's not, I didn't mean, no, you're, never mind.
	That's not what I meant.
	Yeah.
	You're just good at like whatever it was you did.
	Okay, good talk.
	Good talk.
	Wait, what were we doing?
	Oh, the Discord before came in, guys.
	Discord.gg slash whatever.
	We're going to post the behind.
	We post behind the scenes.
	We post the hate mail.
	We're going to post.
	What are we going to post?
	Oh, wait.
	Get out of it.
	Let's skip over the hate mail one.
	Wall of haters, you can show.
	Let's do wall of whatever.
	What's on the wall of whatever?
	What's over there?
	Oh, scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	Scroll up.
	What do we got?
	Oh, that's just like.
	Okay.
	Eh, whatever.
	Okay.
	Discord.gg slash whatever, guys.
	Be sure to join.
	We post our full stream schedule.
	We post the BTS, hate mail, all that good stuff.
	If you want, you can get your last-minute TTS in.
	We are going to wrap up the show here.
	Final thoughts from anybody?
	Thank you for having us.
	Thank you for coming.
	What you got?
	You got something, right?
	You got something?
	Emma, you got something?
	Oh, okay.
	I do.
	What's up?
	Dablamonian donated $20.
	What is the best pickup line you've ever heard?
	Brian, you should role play like you made your panelists text D. Maybe?
	Best pickup line ever.
	Go ahead.
	What you got for us?
	Oh.
	The legendary trash panzer donated $20.
	Brixen, WTF, Dem DM, D'sby Slack and Yo.
	But Dem Mommy Milkers and the Ghost Quisk Kishkish Kishkish Kishkish Kishkish Skish in my furry hands.
	Chair one.
	Stay old, queen.
	Wait, can we pull up the old photos really quick, just as for the outro?
	Oh.
	No, of the two girls, like the old transformation.
	I was gonna say my last words was all hail, Chae Wan.
	That's your best pickup?
	And honey.
	Oh, that was my last word for everyone.
	Well, the pickup line, you have to start first.
	Oh, we do?
	Yeah, let's do it.
	They're safe, right?
	Oh, let's take a look.
	We'll wrap the show on that.
	Right now.
	Do it.
	Oh, oh, oh, but that's really good.
	I like that.
	AI is amazing.
	Fine.
	10 out of 10.
	Oh, wait, I look so cute.
	That's honestly so good.
	I look so cute.
	I like that one.
	Who did these?
	The good.
	Whoever did this, good job in the Discord.
	Are these it?
	Those, just those two?
	Whoever made these edits?
	Oh, like, like, these guys off the damn, bro.
	God damn.
	This is the killer.
	They added like glass glasses.
	Yeah, you got hyperobia.
	That's what you want.
	Oh, fuck.
	That's crazy, bro.
	We gotta do this every show.
	This is hilarious.
	Wait, the oh, shit.
	It just looks so real.
	Like, grandma's like, hella happy.
	Oh, wait, I think we did that one.
	That one's crazy.
	Wait, okay.
	Why is it just us two?
	Bro, did you not like because you were saying that you were gonna get better looking when you were gonna be older, and that's why they did the just one.
	That's true.
	It's true.
	Well, best pickup line.
	Go ahead, and then we'll wrap on that.
	I don't have a best pickup line.
	Just go straight to it to flowies?
	No, like be direct.
	Direct.
	Be direct.
	Yeah.
	Be like, I like you.
	You like me.
	Let's come together, baby.
	Like, write a baby.
	Make a baby.
	Yeah.
	I want babies with you.
	What's the best pickup list?
	For me, nothing specific, but just a good sarcastic thing.
	A good sass.
	Absurd humor.
	I'll be.
	I'll be.
	Yeah.
	How about you, Morgan?
	I literally have no idea.
	All right, I got two in my arsenal.
	What you got?
	Go ahead.
	One says, Are you copper and tellurium?
	Because you're cute.
	And then the other one is, Are you a fart?
	Because damn, you blew me away.
	Pretty good?
	Yeah.
	I have nothing.
	I don't like pickup lines.
	I have nothing.
	Danissa.
	I have one.
	It's a bit vulgar, so earmuffs for the sensitive.
	This is just, I think, one of the best one.
	It goes, I'm reading it here.
	I would bury my dick so far inside your ass, whoever could pull it out, whoever could pull it out would be crowned King Arthur.
	Does it work?
	The girls don't appreciate it.
	I feel quite a lot of it.
	Well, I got a novel for you.
	It is in the cranium.
	It's in the cranium.
	So, can I be a Rubik's Cube?
	Because I bet you can unravel me within one minute.
	Yeah, that was good compared to your Arthur shit.
	What the fuck was that?
	The King Arthur one.
	It's not really meant to be a joke.
	It's just.
	What?
	This one, my one.
	The King Arthur one.
	I think it is the best pickup line, though, ever invented.
	The worst, maybe the worst.
	I wanna fuck you.
	Is that my pay con song?
	Yeah.
	Was this like 2005 or something?
	Yeah.
	It was the best.
	Dude, can we like have karaoke on this podcast?
	We'll have you back.
	We'll get the karaoke next time.
	Dude, you better have like the mic, the speaker rating.
	GMD Jim donated $20.
	Brixon, I hope these two are killing your Asian fetish.
	They are Asian in their business.
	We fucking knew it, dude.
	That one she changed it.
	I can see it.
	Yeah, she did.
	Asian fetish.
	I don't have anything.
	Can we see her try rizz her if she was a pay pick dude?
	I'm not the pay pig.
	I'm not the one, like, spending the monies, bro.
	I'm trying to get the monies.
	Hypothetically speaking, if I were to even do such sort of transactions, Daniel Stain donated $50.
	Yo, thank you, Daniel.
	Is the end goal of the feminists distrioing something that is so natural eventually?
	Men are just gonna say, F it and F you survive on your own, I guess, stupid feminists.
	Wait, Daniel Stein, are you from South Africa?
	Because I feel like Stein, the way that's spelled, is like a South African or a Dutch.
	It's either Dutch or South Africa.
	What's up?
	Oh, final thing.
	Is anybody here down to hit a bow before we wrap the show?
	Yeah, bet.
	You'll do it.
	Let's do it.
	No, you gotta like stand up and do that.
	Stand up.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, wait.
	Are we, is this like a potential slip?
	Can you just like maybe?
	No.
	W. She's seething over there, by the way.
	She is furious.
	I see her fuming, seething.
	Would you do it?
	Yeah, to everybody?
	Like, to everybody?
	Let me do it.
	Yes, yes, to the podcast.
	Wait, wait, are we all doing?
	Wait, no, you're not.
	No, one at a time.
	One at a time.
	That was pretty good.
	Yeah, I prefer the more.
	You don't want that.
	I don't like this.
	I prefer the more like timid.
	Yes, good.
	Good.
	I mean, it looks like you're covering your crotch, but it was.
	Well, yeah, I'm trying to follow your instructions.
	We're going to see a bow.
	Let's see.
	You got to stand it up.
	You got to stand up.
	Yo.
	Shit.
	Let's go.
	There's a lot of styling.
	I know it was.
	Hey, this is your redemption.
	You're going to hit a bow?
	No, thank you.
	Rip.
	Estonia?
	No.
	Emma?
	No.
	Okay, that's okay.
	That's okay.
	It is what it is.
	Okay, guys, I promise.
	Let's see here.
	We're going to wrap the show.
	Oh, wait, no.
	Nobody here has OnlyFans, right?
	No.
	Another W for the whatever podcast?
	No.
	No OnlyFans, girls.
	In order to.
	I think it's not even King Arthur could pull me out of that.
	Oh, that's a good one, too.
	Thank you, Angela.
	Oh, okay.
	I see the reference now.
	But going back to the PayPal that you're like.
	Excalibur.
	Is it a wait?
	Is it Excalibur?
	but but the thing is that in order for you to like for like the pay pig to know that you are of age you need like the abermonian donated twenty dollars Seat 2 is actually respectable.
	But you don't have to post anything.
	Only Osmosis didn't change that.
	What's up?
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah, you don't need to, like, post anything on your OnlyFans.
	You just have to verify that you're age 18 for, like, the pay-pick to, like, trust that you're, like, a real person.
	What are you talking about, like?
	Yeah.
	That's how they do it.
	But I don't have an OnlyFans.
	So that just proves to show that I'm not into this PayPal shit.
	I have exclusive content, but it's not OF.
	What exclusive content, girl?
	Oh.
	You don't know.
	Girl.
	Do I have to pay money for that?
	Do I have to pay money for this shit?
	Because I don't want to download.
	I'd rather put money onto my Amazon account.
	Okay, well, GG to the whole panel.
	It was a good stream, guys.
	Appreciate you guys.
	Appreciate you guys coming out.
	Thank you guys.
	Sorry, guys.
	Let me just make sure I got everything.
	I think we're good.
	So, GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, guys.
	Hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	Thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats, donates, and supports the show.
	Your patronage is greatly appreciated.
	We could not do the show without you guys.
	You know, we don't get sponsors.
	We're talking about kind of sometimes controversial topics, or it's a bit vulgar.
	We're talking about like sex-related stuff.
	So fucking Sprite ain't coming through with the hookup.
	So, or what?
	Hold on.
	Oh, I haven't played this shit.
	Hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	Now, who's gonna be the Medici family and stand up and let me create more?
	Or do you want to marginalize me till I'm out of my moment?
	Support the whatever podcast if you can.
	We will be live again Tuesday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram.
	If you can make it to Santa Barbara, we're going to do a Twitch raid really quick.
	Who are we going to raid?
	me just do a quick refresh on this we are gonna raid a twitch streamer by the name of do we do ampi How about our friend?
	How about our friend?
	Oh, no.
	No, we can't say his name.
	Can't say his name.
	We're going to do Ampi.
	It should be in the following thing on the side.
	That might make it easier for you to grab it.
	Yeah, he's leveling.
	Can you put the yeah, so guys who watched on Twitch, thank you guys so much.
	Before you leave up, before we do the raid on Twitch, just check if you can drop a follow and then taking like every second.
	Check if you have a prime sub available.
	So we're gonna raid Ampi.
	Mute the audio really quick.
	Guys, Ampy, he is one of the best raid leaders, one of the best classic players in the game.
	Right now, he's leveling a fuck a mage in hardcore SSF, World of Warcraft.
	So be sure to tell him what's up.
	Tell him, ask him if he will carry, like, maybe carry me if I come back to World of Warcraft.
	Maybe in the chat, be like, yo, are you down to carry the whatever podcast?
	Like to like a rag kill on a fresh server.
	Or like, sorry, sorry, like Nax, like full clear Nax on a fresh server.
	Yo, dab, thank you for the gift of 10 subs.
	To KT, like a full clear to KT.
	Anyways, okay, thank you guys for watching on Twitch.
	I'm going to send the raid now.
	Sending the raid now, and you can put the audio back on.
	Oh, sorry, 10 seconds, guys.
	Donated, donated, donated $20.
	Brian, do you have an update on Mason?
	I'll adjust that after the raid.
	Thank you, though.
	Thank you, donated.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you for the streamer.
	Thank you guys for watching on Twitch sending the raid now.
	There's going to be like a Fangsley.
	They had a data helper guild last time, Fangsley, with all the viewers.
	And it is open, but it's only on US servers.
	There's no EU.
	EU server.
	I don't know if he has notifications on.
	Let's do it.
	Giant grizzled bear.
	There it is.
	Whatever.
	Well, well, well, look who it is.
	Whatever with the 777 lucky raid.
	Thank you, bro.
	Was it 777?
	Or 77?
	Look at that bear.
	Yeah, the irony.
	What?
	Dude, look at that.
	He's fucking this bear up.
	He said, I paid for the raid?
	No, he didn't pay for the raid.
	Fake news.
	I wish, bro.
	Fake news.
	anyways okay let's i think that's it um yeah we're all good Oh, the quick update.
	My understanding, I haven't checked the update on his little page or whatever in a couple days.
	He's still in the hospital, but I think he's doing, I checked like two or three days ago, so I don't know that like they are updating it every single day.
	He's still in the hospital, I'm pretty sure.
	But I think he's doing a bit better.
	I think things are looking on the upside.
	So for those of you who don't know, we did a fundraiser.
	I have a webinar.
	The update?
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah, we can pull that up really quick.
	If you guys want to support Mason, you can do it.
	Oh, look at that.
	There was a recent pretty big donation there.
	We were able to raise $3,400.
	I rounded up, but we got $3,400, raised it for Mason here.
	And then just on my own, I just did a $1,500 donation.
	So if you guys, he's got a lot of medical expenses.
	If you guys can, we have the link and everything posted in the Discord.
	He's been on the show like 10 times.
	Wonderful dude.
	One of the nicest guys I've met.
	All-around great guy.
	If you guys can, you can go here to his thing.
	If you want to send him a prayer or contribute to his, it's called Give Send Go.
	He's still in the hospital, is my understanding.
	He was in a severe motorcycle accident, for those of you who don't know, pretty catastrophic motorcycle accident.
	With anybody else with the injuries, like I think they said it was a 10% chance of survival.
	He did it.
	So he's definitely improved, but he's still in the hospital.
	He still needs your support.
	So if you want, you can check it out there at the Give Send Go.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for the reminder for reminding me.
	But thank you, man.
	Okay, guys.
	Long stream.
	Appreciate y'all.
	We're going to wrap there.
	07's in the chat.
	What the fuck happened to my hair?
	07's in the chat.
	I hope.
	Wait, what are we forgetting?
	Nothing.
	I didn't do it.
	Yeah, I think that's it.
	Okay, 07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

▲