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2 RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson vs. Liberal Feminists! 2 + 2 ≠ 4?! TOO Picky?! | Dating Talk #161

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	With that said, and without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves.
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	I'm Mael.
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	All right.
	Welcome.
	Hi, I'm Audrey.
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	And yeah.
	Hi, I am Sophia.
	I am also a student here at UCSB, and I am originally from Brazil.
	Sorry, did you say your age?
	I am 21 years old.
	21.
	Forgot.
	Did you say your major?
	I'm Psych and Brain Sciences.
	My major is art history and museum studies.
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	Do you want to be a curator or something?
	Either that or maybe own a gallery if I'll get there someday.
	Okay.
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	That is.
	Yeah.
	Was he Dutch or?
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	Yeah.
	I think he's 19th century.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And what about you?
	I'm Lauren.
	I'm 32.
	I work with kids during the week and after school program, and on the weekend, I wait tables.
	All right.
	Welcome.
	Hi, I'm Larissa.
	I'm 21.
	I'm a UCSB fourth year, and I'm a Soch major.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, I'm Ina.
	I'm originally from Ukraine.
	I live in Sacramento.
	I'm 30 years old, and I'm a realtor.
	All right, welcome.
	Hi, my name is Pei.
	I'm 27 from Massachusetts.
	I work with farmers and farmland.
	I do, sorry, I do customer service, and I'm working on music with Hank Chill.
	All right.
	My name is Haley.
	I am 20 years old.
	I am from Stockton.
	I am a part-time goat milker.
	Oh, sorry, I didn't even post that one.
	Wait, you're a part-time goat milker?
	Yes.
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	You milk goats?
	I do.
	Do you milk other animals or is it just goats?
	Just goats right now.
	Maybe cows in the future.
	And then I'm a full-time student transferring to Fresno State in fall.
	Stockton?
	Yes.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	And then without, oh, we have Andrew Wilson, my Caucasian.
	Welcome, Andrew.
	Yeah, my name is Andrew Wilson.
	I am the host of The Crucible.
	It's a fastest-growing debate channel on the internet.
	I'm a political analyst, political satirist, and also a blood sport debater.
	Appreciate all of you being here.
	Good to have you back, Andrew.
	So we're going to have, we're going to go, excuse me, we're going to go around the table once more.
	So what is everybody's current relationship status?
	So are you single, talking stage, situationship, friends with benefits, relationship?
	Wait, I already said that.
	Maybe.
	Married, polycule, sex cult, part of a harem, whatever it may be.
	If you're single, how long have you been single?
	And what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you?
	Go ahead.
	I'm single, I guess.
	Okay.
	My longest relationship was like two years.
	How long have you been single, you guess?
	Like eight months?
	Eight months, I think?
	Eight months.
	I don't know.
	And when you say single, you guess.
	Is it complicated, kind of?
	It's currently complicated.
	Sure.
	There's a prospect in the picture.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Well, we'd like to know.
	So is it currently complicated with the guy you broke up with eight months ago?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so you're like in a situationship kind of sorta.
	Is it on again, off again?
	Not really.
	I don't know.
	I'm just not looking for anybody really.
	But so you're still like talking to the guy that you used to date?
	Yeah, he's like my best friend too, though.
	He's your best friend.
	We're just really close.
	When's the last time you guys hung out?
	Last week.
	Last week?
	You said you're from Santa Barbara, right?
	No, I'm from the Bay Area.
	Oh, you're from the Bay.
	Okay.
	And is this like kind of a long distance thing, or does he also live here?
	He goes to Cal Poly.
	Okay, slow.
	Okay.
	So you you'll go there or he comes here?
	Uh not like to see each other though, just like when I visit.
	Because there was like that music festival, was it last weekend?
	Yeah.
	Shebang.
	That was.
	Shebang?
	Yeah.
	I went to that.
	Was that in Slow?
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, it was super fun.
	Okay.
	So were you guys, so was this the two-year relationship?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Or like almost two years.
	Almost two years.
	But then it ended.
	You've been single for eight months.
	So for the duration of the two-year relationship, was it committed, monogamous, or was it?
	Committed, yeah.
	Okay.
	Exclusive.
	Yeah.
	Boyfriend, girlfriend.
	Yeah.
	Okay, there was a title.
	And so you see him like every weekend or something?
	No, no.
	Just like if I'm going there or if he has friends here too, so.
	Who ended the relationship?
	Him.
	He ended it?
	Yeah.
	Because it was like distance.
	It was a lot of things.
	So is he currently dating somebody else?
	No.
	Not to your knowledge?
	Not to my knowledge, no.
	Okay.
	But he is kind of dating you.
	Not really, though.
	Well, you guys are hanging out, right?
	Yeah.
	Are you guys still getting frisky?
	That's one way to put it.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Wait, so I mean, but you said you've been single for eight months, but the guy you were dating for two years, you guys are still, like, hooking up.
	Kind of doesn't sound like you're totally single.
	I mean, sure.
	I guess.
	Like, would you go if some guy who you thought was like really cool, really attractive, if he asked you out, would you?
	Or would you say no because you're kind of involved with this current guy?
	Like asks me out.
	Like some guy was interested in you, a different guy, would you tell him no because you're kind of involved with this guy?
	Or would you say, oh, I'm single, yeah, I can date you?
	I guess I'm just not really looking for like anything.
	I'm just kind of focusing on myself, I guess.
	Well, would you say no because you're currently semi-involved with?
	I don't know if that's the reason I would say no.
	I think it would be more just because I'm not like wanting that.
	I'm also like transferring in the fall, so it's like.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Wait, so you said he broke up with you?
	Mm-hmm.
	And you said the reason was just like the distance or whatever.
	Okay.
	Because I went to SDSU, and so that's like a much longer distance.
	Okay.
	So is it kind of like SDSU, nothing, Santa Barbara, friends with benefits, and if you're closer to Slow, that would get you the title.
	What do you mean?
	Well, because SDSU, he was like full-on breakup.
	Now that you've come to Santa Barbara, you're three hours closer.
	No, it was after.
	So I left SDSU, and then it was after that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It's complicated.
	So you would consider, is it a situationship?
	How would you categorize your current things?
	Sure, yeah.
	I guess that's what I mean.
	Okay.
	And you're fine with that.
	You don't mind that.
	Sure.
	Would you be okay if he was like dating or sleeping with other women?
	I mean, obviously not dating, because dating, that means you're like just with one person.
	Well, let's say he's just like casually hooking up with other girls.
	Would you be okay with that?
	I don't think he is.
	I also, he's not that type of person.
	Well, you guys are both single by your definition, right?
	But I also, I'm not into like hookup culture, and anybody I tend to date isn't either.
	So like if he was, that'sn't equal.
	Well, why?
	I mean, if that's the case, if he's not into it, you're not into it, why avoid having a title?
	I don't know if that's.
	I don't know.
	It's complicated, as I said.
	How?
	I'm not, well.
	I'm a little confused now.
	Like, I don't know.
	That's, I don't know.
	Well, would it, would you no longer want to see him if he was, say, casually hooking up with another girl?
	Not necessarily.
	Not like, I don't know if I, I mean, it's his life.
	We're not.
	Is he in a fraternity?
	Yes.
	Are you in a sorority?
	No.
	He's in a fraternity.
	Yeah.
	A couple girls here seem like they have a reaction to that.
	Slow, it's a Cal Poly Slow.
	Do they have a decent party scene there?
	Not so much?
	At least compared to UCSB?
	Oh, nothing compared to UCC.
	Not compared to UCSB, but UCSB.
	I don't know.
	Every time I've gone there, it's always like it's not that good.
	It's also like the cops are really, they don't have, they'll shut down a party in like 30 minutes, like quickly.
	So he's in a frat.
	You guys don't have a title.
	We met in high school, so.
	It was before he was in a fraternity.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Oh, so you guys went to high school together?
	For the last senior year of high school, yes.
	Okay.
	I want to ask the ladies at the table: do you think, be honest, do you think the guy is maybe seeing other ladies?
	What do you guys think?
	I think he might be.
	But I don't know.
	To me, at least it sounds like he has you on a leash a little bit.
	Doesn't it?
	That's just what it sounds like.
	But it sounds like you guys have a close friendship.
	Yeah.
	I think if there's not a label on it, he's in a fraternity.
	I feel like that's enough.
	I think that's enough.
	But she's saying she doesn't really care that much if he's like, she cares more about the friendship.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The friendship?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wait, I'm curious.
	So you guys, he dumped you eight months ago.
	Sort of.
	What do you mean, sort of?
	I mean, yeah, but I feel like dumped is not the way.
	Okay, well, so how did it go then?
	I don't know.
	Did he text you or call you or was this in person?
	No, it was in person.
	In person.
	Yeah.
	And he sat you down and he was like, was there a handhold?
	Did he go for a handhold?
	Okay, I'm just kidding.
	Just kidding.
	Okay, so, okay.
	Do you go for handholds when you do something like that?
	Is that your thing?
	I don't even want to do that shit in person, to be honest.
	We've been dating for two years.
	Maybe a text.
	Damn.
	Not even a call.
	I'll give you a text.
	Not even a call.
	Are you proud of that?
	Super.
	Well, okay, no, hold on.
	Maybe two years, maybe I'll consider doing it in person.
	Usually I just, you know, I'll just wait until they break up with me.
	That's the better.
	But I prefer that they just send me a text.
	You prefer being broken up with?
	If I've been dating a girl for like two years, yeah, just text me.
	Have you ever seen?
	What's the breaking up with?
	You got to speak into the microphone.
	Have you ever done the breaking up work?
	Yeah, yeah, I've ended things.
	Why'd you?
	She looks, she does this.
	Like, oh, you'd never break up with a girl.
	Yeah, I've broken up with girls.
	Like, just over text, or?
	I mean, look, I've done it in person too.
	And you prefer the texting?
	It's easier?
	I'd rather a girl just break up with me over text, to be honest.
	It's much easier to be broken up with than like breaking up with a person.
	But then I feel like you get back together when it's over text.
	I feel like there's a lot more emotional labor that goes into breaking up with someone.
	And then it would be a lot easier for you to just like be an asshole until she finally gives up and then just texts you and you're like, ooh, it's done now.
	You're on to something.
	You're on to something.
	Okay, so like that sounds a little bit, you know, cowardly, but I'm not saying that you're a coward.
	I'm just saying that I think that maybe you could like, you know, communicate or something.
	I mean, I'm being a bit flippant, but yeah, no.
	If I've decided that I no longer want to see somebody, I'm not going to intentionally be a dickhead.
	So they do it.
	So they do the breakup.
	But I actually don't mind.
	If the girl wants to break up with me, you can just text me.
	It's okay.
	Like, oh, you want to meet in person?
	I don't need the closure talk, really.
	I don't like the closure talk.
	Do you have like a ready paragraph on your notes app?
	To break up with people, like a little paragraph.
	Copy and rest.
	Copy and paste.
	Copy and paste every time.
	Yeah.
	I have like chat GBT.
	Like I ask it to draft up like a breakup text for me and just send it or just email.
	Don't even text anymore.
	Exactly.
	Wait, so does anybody else here think any thoughts on her guy situation?
	What's so significant about your friendship, if I may ask?
	I feel like, well, he's just like one of the coolest people I know.
	Like, genuinely.
	He's just a cool person.
	He has really, he's just interesting and he's nice.
	And he's just like a good person to have around.
	And he's, yeah, we always have a good time.
	So it's like, I feel like it's, yeah.
	I don't know.
	Do you have other close guy friends?
	Some, yeah.
	I have some close guys.
	Do you think any of them would be better options?
	Oh, none of them would I want to view that.
	No, no.
	Wait, so I mean, if you it sounds like you really like this guy, he sounds great.
	You're really attracted to him.
	Have you made a push in this eight months to like regain the title?
	No, not really.
	What would happen if you were like, you texted him tonight, called him tonight, and you said, I want to be boyfriend, girlfriend.
	What do you think his response would be?
	I'm not sure.
	I think it's a complicated situation.
	How's it complicated?
	Well, I live here.
	He lives there.
	I'm also transferring.
	Like, I don't know where I'm going to transfer yet.
	So there's just a lot of things that, like.
	Well, you're currently already at fair.
	What?
	Slows, like, two hours away?
	90 minutes?
	Something like that?
	Something like that, yeah.
	So you're already distanced.
	You don't think he would go for it?
	I don't know.
	I haven't asked.
	I think I don't like, I don't like conflict or asking necessarily.
	I'd rather just enjoy what I'm happy with right now.
	Okay.
	That sounds like not good, but I swear it's true.
	I mean, just the only reason I'm asking is because, I mean, initially you said single, but then like you're still frequently every weekend pretty much.
	Every other weekend?
	No, like maybe once every few months.
	Oh, once every few once a month.
	Maybe.
	Well, you saw him last weekend.
	That was because there's a fifth music festival.
	Oh, okay.
	I was there for a different reason.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So I'm just going to say it's complicated.
	Yeah, I'm admitted.
	Yeah.
	It's complicated.
	But it doesn't seem like you're open to meeting somebody new, though.
	So you're kind of like, this guy's kind of locking you up a little bit.
	Sure, yeah.
	I saw that.
	If you met another guy, would you break it off?
	Like, because I mean, I could certainly see if you met a new guy and he finds out that you're still friends and still hanging out with a guy you dated for two years and you've been in a essentially a situation ship for eight months.
	Would you just do a clean cut with this guy and stop being friends with him if a new guy asked you to?
	Like, stop being friends, though?
	Just as friends, too?
	Yeah.
	No friends.
	I don't know.
	I'd have to.
	I'll open that question up to the whole panel.
	Like, should you remain friends with an ex?
	Is it a bad look to your new partner?
	But first, let's get through everybody's relationship status.
	So, what about you?
	I'm single.
	All right.
	How long have you been single?
	Since I was 19.
	So, 22, 21, 24.
	So, you've been single for about four years?
	Yeah, like three or four years.
	Three to four years.
	Okay.
	Longest relationship?
	I think probably like six months.
	Six months.
	I don't even know if he would count it as six months.
	You could ask him.
	Why do you say that?
	Depends on the cheating timeline, I would say.
	How many dudes did you cheat on with?
	Oh, I didn't cheat.
	Oh, shit.
	My bad.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Not me.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	So he was cheating on you.
	Yeah, it also would depend on like, yeah, I guess like we were on a different page about what the relationship was.
	So in my mind, it was probably about like six months, like in terms of how I was invested as like a girlfriend.
	Okay.
	And you, from what age to what age did you date him?
	Were you 18, 19?
	19 to 19.
	19.
	Okay.
	So 19 for this one.
	All right.
	And then that's the longest relationship you've been in.
	Was there a title, boyfriend, girlfriend?
	Yeah, for a period of time.
	Okay.
	And then you broke up with him, I'm assuming, because of the cheating?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	But you've been single for four years.
	Any prospects in that four-year period?
	Anything shorter-term, maybe three months?
	Any short-term things like that?
	Or not really?
	Nothing where I thought someone was going to be my boyfriend.
	Okay.
	Have you been on dating apps at all?
	Freshman year I was before I met my ex.
	And it was kind of just to like mess around.
	Like I wasn't actually going on a dating app to try to meet someone.
	Would you like use the was it Tinder that you were using?
	Yeah, I think it was only Tinder that I ended up on.
	Like other people recommended like, I think it was Hinge or Bumble, maybe?
	Hinge Bumble.
	But what was actually funny because one of the guys that I was talking to on Tinder ended up swiping on my friend on like another app.
	And then I was like, oh, he's on all of them.
	Like, you know, he's.
	For the streets?
	He's for the streets.
	He's the streets.
	For the streets.
	Okay.
	And so I didn't actually like.
	I was kind of just messing around on Tinder because I was bored.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Did you go on any dates, meet any guys from Tinder or no?
	I went on one date.
	Okay.
	Did it go beyond that or was it just a one-date thing?
	We went on a second date and then he was 22 and I was 19 at the time.
	So we were like in just really different places mentally.
	I guess like, I mean, I was a freshman.
	He had just graduated, I think, from like one of the UCs.
	And he lived in Santa Barbara.
	And so he had his parents' house here.
	And I don't know exactly what he was doing.
	He claimed to have a really good job or something like that.
	And he just talked a lot of talk and just seemed like he was 22.
	And so I was like, ooh, you know, like, older guy.
	Like, he must be, he must be set.
	He must be like legit.
	And then he was acting up.
	And I was like, why are you inviting me over to go like drink at your parents' house and like play beer pong?
	You're literally 22 and you claim to have like a high-paying tech job.
	Like what's your deal?
	And so I was like, no.
	Uh well, is he like a dinosaur basically?
	Like, did you view him as a dinosaur at that age?
	No, I didn't view him as a dinosaur.
	I viewed him as like a high-value man.
	Like, I thought that he was like, you know, had his had his shit together, and then he like kind of didn't.
	So, I was like, and also, I was like, why are you asking out like freshman girls?
	Like, why are you not dating in your own age range?
	Not that that's like a huge age gap, but I was kind of like, it was just weird.
	So, he was 22 and you were 19?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I don't think that's, I don't think there's anything weird.
	And also, like, looking at it now that I'm 22, I don't think it's that weird, but like, it was just kind of funny that he was more, it felt like he was more interested at the time.
	And, like, obviously, when you're 19 and you're living here, you have a lot more options than you just graduated.
	Sure.
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	That first girl is going to be her friend's baby mom.
	Any plans to get knocked up?
	No.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Actually, really, I want to add a question onto the.
	But I mean, that's not really an age gap, right?
	22 to 19.
	That's not really even.
	Yeah, I don't think that would even fall into it.
	But so you were, so you've been single for four years.
	In that four-year time period, I mean, are you any prospects currently?
	Any, like, any prospects?
	No.
	Nothing?
	Just stay at home, pretty much?
	I don't stay at home.
	I just like don't like, I'm not looking, I guess.
	I'm like about to graduate.
	Yeah.
	Do you go out and party at all?
	Yeah.
	Like, do you hit the bars downtown?
	Yeah, I honestly, the bars downtown are not riveting, in my opinion.
	Not riveting, okay.
	You party around here?
	Yeah.
	Like, are you in sorority?
	Yeah, I am.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you go to like the frat parties and stuff?
	Yeah, I did the whole frat party thing.
	Okay.
	I mean, like, when you're younger and they like pair with the frats to go have the parties and stuff.
	Like, fully had the whole like sorority experience, I guess.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So no, zero prospects.
	Not even like a more casual friends with benefits thing?
	Not really.
	I don't think that the dating pool, at least that I'm like mingling with, is interested in copying a girlfriend at this point.
	And I don't think that I'm necessarily interested in copying a boyfriend.
	And I would just say that the love of my life is not in IV and he's not at Joe's downtown and he's most definitely not at any of the frats here.
	So.
	Okay.
	And so what you said you're not really looking to have a boyfriend at this moment.
	What are you looking for, if anything?
	Like I would be looking to be in a relationship.
	I just don't think that it's here.
	So like when I graduate, then like that's a different story.
	But here.
	Are you planning to stick around here?
	Are you going to move somewhere?
	I'm moving back to Seattle.
	Back to Seattle?
	Downgrade.
	It is kind of a downgrade, yeah.
	Weather-wise, anyways.
	Weather-wise.
	Probably otherwise.
	Other reasons.
	I have a job back there, so.
	You got one lined up?
	Yeah.
	And you're graduating, like, so you're leaving in like a month or two or something?
	Yeah, like, once I graduate, I'll be going back like three, once my lease is up, like three days after.
	Yeah.
	Okay, gotcha.
	But so for the four years you've been single, were there any, you said there was like a couple month thing here and there?
	Yeah.
	Like, it's not like I've been celibate, but like, it's, I don't think that I've never been like, I haven't been committed to someone since I was a freshman.
	Because I think I kind of learned my lesson with that one where I was like, I'm not going to fight for my life to try to wipe someone up.
	And that was what happened.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Good to know.
	Good to know.
	What about you?
	I am soon to be single.
	What does that mean?
	Soon to be single.
	You want look into this camera and say, Bartholomew, I break up with you.
	Bartholomew.
	That's his name, right?
	I don't know.
	No.
	If I say his name, it's like too obvious.
	Like, that will not work.
	So you're currently in a relationship.
	Yes.
	Like, yes.
	Like, yeah.
	It's just, okay.
	It's been very complicated.
	This has been a really weird, the weirdest relationship I've had so far in my life.
	Why is it weird?
	Because a lot of bad things happened, and it was a lot of.
	What did you do to him?
	I didn't do anything.
	That's the thing.
	I've been there.
	I've been sitting and getting a lot of DMs half the time.
	And it was just like very troubling.
	And it was.
	Wait for you to be getting DMs or what was troubling?
	It was just like people saying stuff, which I will not open up here, but it was just like a lot of outside influences into the relationship.
	Oh, like girls would DM you saying like, yo, your boyfriend's cheating on you, basically.
	Like, like worse things.
	What's worse things?
	That I will not say here.
	But it's just been a very bad thing.
	He was like, making rumors about you?
	No.
	Like, I. That's like a for and off, like, no, imagine?
	No.
	No.
	It was just a lot of.
	He's a furry?
	Imagine.
	Yes.
	I kind of.
	Yeah, he was.
	Okay.
	Wait, so how long have you been dating this guy?
	For like technically since July again.
	Wait, again?
	So it was off?
	I met him last year in January.
	Okay.
	And then I left the country for two months.
	And then I came back.
	So for like a period while I was gone and we were like, we took a break because like I was gone, I guess, and it was just too much.
	And then just like everything went downhill after I came back in a way, but we're both graduating.
	So we both had a talk recently of like, okay, let's just not because we live really far from each other.
	And that didn't work.
	Can I just have you scoot your mic this way a little bit?
	This way?
	Yeah, this way.
	Oh, sorry.
	You're fine.
	So, okay.
	You've been seeing him for like six months again?
	Like July, like last year.
	It's like a year, basically.
	Okay.
	I'll just say one more.
	But you're going to end it?
	Yes.
	He's probably watching.
	What if he's watching right now?
	Well, we talked.
	and i we've talked like yes we've both are in agreement of that Take it off 69.
	Keep going.
	We are both in agreement of that.
	And it was just like hard at first, but again, while I was gone, it was terrible.
	And we don't live close to each other.
	And I don't need that.
	I don't need to go through that again.
	I don't think he needs to go through that again.
	So it was just.
	It was a mature talk.
	Like, we're fine.
	But at the same time, we both know that we're literally not seeing each other in like three weeks.
	Wait, so did you get because you said you're in a relationship, but you need to break up with him.
	So you had like a pre-breakup breakup talk?
	Yeah.
	So it's like, hey, in a couple of days.
	It's like we have like an expiration date.
	Like we're like, you know, like things go bad.
	Like, hey, it's going to go bad that day.
	And after that, we're done.
	So is this like one of you, you're graduating or sending.
	So you'll stay together until the end of the semester or whatever.
	Yeah.
	And then you go your separate ways.
	Yes.
	Huh, okay.
	Why not just break up with him now?
	Because there's still a lot of care towards each other.
	Like, I care a lot about him, and I know, like, I hope and I believe that he cares as well.
	So basically, it's like, let's just, like, appreciate what we've had, even though it's been a very troubled road this far.
	Yeah.
	And just try to be peaceful for the long.
	Are you guys living together?
	No, I will never do that again.
	And I both live in Santa Barbara.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	So you're planning to break up, but you're currently together.
	Yes.
	And is the breakup is because you guys are just going to be going your separate, like, moving different areas, moving to a different area?
	I think for me, like, I can't speak for him, but like for me, it's just like, apart from distance, like, there needs to be a lot of personal growth.
	And I'm for you or for him?
	For both.
	I think same.
	Like, I feel like I've been through a lot in a different relationship and in that one.
	So it's like, I don't need to go through that.
	And I think it's an actual time for me to start just focusing on myself because I jump from relationships.
	You're a serial monogamist or whatever?
	Not really, but it just kind of happens.
	It's like bad.
	What's bad?
	The dating.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, after a while, I'm just like, oh, like, why am I dating again?
	But it's funny.
	All right.
	So you said you got like weird DMs about him.
	What?
	I don't know if you can give us a general idea of was he cheating?
	Is that basically it?
	Things like that kind of happened, but that was, I was told that in person by people that I thought were my friends.
	And then I was like, oh, damn, you knew that for like a long time until you told me this.
	So like, but the Instagram stuff, it was more, I don't know, like, how do I say this?
	Like, dark subjects.
	Like, I don't know.
	Just like very bad things that were like being spread about him.
	And yeah.
	Sure.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm in a relationship.
	How long have you been in the relationship?
	About four to five years.
	Is this your longest relationship?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm single.
	How long have you been single?
	A year and a half.
	1.5 years.
	Longest relationship?
	Two years and a half.
	Alright.
	You're on one of our early shows.
	Like, I think it was one of our first 20 shows.
	So that, were you in a relationship back then?
	So that was, I believe, in September of 2022 was when you were on.
	That was actually when we just started talking.
	So we started dating shortly after.
	Okay, so you dated him for a little bit.
	Yeah.
	But not too long.
	A couple months, it sounds like.
	No, two and a half years.
	Wait.
	But you said you've been single for 1.5 years, but you were on the show like a year and a half ago.
	No, I was on the show in 2021.
	Then that was 2022.
	September of 2022.
	I double-checked.
	Really?
	Take my word for it.
	Okay, then I started.
	Then we were already dating and we had been dating for a year then.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	I don't know the exact math on it, but you probably either ended it or were single around the time you were on the show.
	What about you?
	So I was with someone for about 10 years and then we were like on and off.
	We were married.
	We have two kids together.
	I'm divorced now.
	I'm single and I've probably been single for about a year.
	One year.
	Okay.
	Any dating prospects in that time period?
	Yes, I'm just keeping my options open.
	All right.
	Actually, going back to you really quick, you've been single for 1.5 years.
	Any current dating prospects?
	No, I actually just got out of a situationship.
	Situationship.
	How long was that?
	Very, like my entire college time that I was single, but like off and on.
	Because it was like also my best friend that I was like hooking up with.
	So now we're just friends.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'm currently running a harem sex cult.
	Sorry, I'm just kidding.
	I'm single, and my longest relationship was seven years.
	From what age to what age?
	From 13 to 20.
	Damn, okay.
	That was like junior high status.
	Middle school, baby.
	Middle school, yeah.
	How long have you been single?
	For seven years.
	So longest relationship, seven years, single for seven years?
	Yeah.
	In that seven year single period, any prospects?
	Longest thing in that period?
	I've tried to date, but it hasn't worked out for me.
	So nothing?
	Like a month?
	No.
	Two months, three months?
	Nothing?
	No.
	Anything short term?
	More casual?
	No, I've tried.
	I went on like, you know, one date here or there, but nothing more than that.
	So have you been celibate?
	No.
	There's been a couple times where I've slipped up, but I've been celibate for the past couple years now.
	How long have you been celibate?
	Like three years or something?
	Four years.
	Four years, alright?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's a pretty good, pretty decent period of time.
	Four years.
	And you've been on dating apps at all or no?
	I tried to go on Tinder and I've had bad experiences on Tinder.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Celibate for four years, good times, good times.
	Is it for like, are you religious at all or?
	I'm Catholic, but it's just because I have realized that I don't want to have sex with someone until I'm in a committed relationship with them.
	Okay, until you're in a committed, so not until marriage, but until you're in a relationship.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so has that been your standard for all the men that you have dated?
	No.
	Okay.
	That one relationship that I was in, that was the only relationship that I've been in.
	And then the other people I have hooked up with.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I have a wonderful boyfriend.
	We've been together for six months.
	And is this your longest relationship?
	My longest relationship was a little over a year.
	One year.
	All right.
	Andrew Wilson, what about you?
	I am happily married.
	Have been for well over a decade.
	All right.
	And you said you had two kids, is it?
	Yeah.
	From same men, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Let me just write that down.
	Two kids.
	All right.
	You've got everybody's relationship status.
	So where do we begin?
	Oh, I wanted to ask, okay, so do you guys think it's a good look or a bad look to remain friends with an ex starting with you?
	I think it depends on.
	Oh, sorry, am I speaking close enough?
	No, you're good.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I think it depends on the person in the situation.
	I feel like it's kind of hard to give a generalization because like, you know, I don't know.
	I would say it really depends.
	There's like obviously certain people that you sh like if they've been bad to you, like don't stay friends with them.
	You know, if it's I feel like it depends on the well, like let's assume that the relationship was otherwise a good one.
	I guess this question is more so from the frame of you're dating somebody new.
	Could remaining friends with an ex become an issue in your new relationship.
	That's kind of the angle for this question.
	Yeah, um, I mean, I suppose it could.
	It just depends on like what relationship you still like.
	If it's really genuinely just friends, then I wouldn't see the issue on like both sides.
	Like, if someone's literally just their friend, then that's one thing.
	So, would you date a guy who's still best like best friends with an ex-girlfriend?
	Um, yeah, I guess.
	If they were genuinely just at all, I feel like it like nothing in the back of your head.
	No, I mean, maybe I would, that would be, you know, something where I'd be like, hmm, you know, but also, as I said, I think it's all situational.
	It's kind of hard to put it in generalization.
	I would say that there's like something a little suspicious about it.
	Like, I don't think that it's like a lie if someone were to say that they were friends with their ex.
	And I think that's like pretty respectable, I guess.
	But I don't think that you just kind of like go back to being friends.
	I feel like once you date someone, then that's the status of what your relationship is.
	And so, if I were to meet a guy and he was like, Yeah, like I'm besties with my ex, I'd be like, that's weird.
	Like, I don't know if I would be 100% comfortable with it.
	And I think that, like, even if I were to try to be fine with it, I would probably feel kind of insecure and be like, why do you like, why are you guys still friends?
	Like, is there like an underlying motive?
	Or essentially, like, I'm your friend.
	I'm your best friend.
	So, we're not going to have you be besties with the old one.
	There's no reason for the old one.
	She's done, respectfully.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	What about you?
	That's like a tough one because it's so situational.
	Like, I know I've tried being friends with an ex and that didn't work.
	And I don't know.
	Like, I feel like if I started seeing a guy too, I also like would be like very sussed out.
	And like, I've been the one that tried to be friends.
	So I was like, I might be the problem too.
	So I don't know.
	But it's just like, because like how close friends are you guys?
	Like, do you guys just hang out at all times?
	Like, what is happening?
	Like, what is this friendship?
	And like, what is happening here?
	Like, what is this relation that you now like you downgraded?
	Like, what happened there?
	So, I don't know.
	I have too many trust issues.
	I think it depends on the relationship also.
	And I think sometimes maybe if you're in like a super long-term relationship, you might still have connections back with your ex and might be friends with them.
	And it might be just that.
	And I think that could be unproblematic.
	But I think if you're going to make yourself open to a completely new experience and they know that you're talking to your ex, it does look bad.
	So there's two sides to it, in my opinion.
	I feel like you can't really be friends with your ex after you guys break up.
	Like, depending on the relationship, you can definitely have a closeness.
	Like, I'm personally very close with two of my exes.
	But if I were to get into another relationship, I would change the dynamic of our closeness.
	So the most we talk would be like a happy birthday phone call or something.
	Well, I don't know.
	It just depends on the situation.
	It's kind of a slippery slope when you're friends with an ex.
	Like me and my ex have two co-parents, so we have to be cordial.
	But I also feel like there's also that chance that you guys could end up hooking back up, and it just kind of starts everything back up.
	So yeah, I think it's really hard to do that.
	I think it would be detrimental to a newfound relationship to be friends with anyone that you were in a relationship with before or hooked up with before.
	I definitely think it's a huge red flag.
	I think that there are some situations where it's not as bad, but definitely odd.
	Okay.
	LPE, by the way, we boosted it back up to 100, just heads up.
	But thank you for the song, LPE.
	We did change that about 15 minutes ago.
	So it was just the $69 TTS was for just the first 30 minutes of the show.
	Now it's back up to it's 100 read, well, 99 read, 199 plus TTS.
	Okay.
	And then, I mean, my thoughts on this is easy answer, no.
	Not a good look.
	Would not date a girl who is friends with her ex.
	You can be on good terms with them.
	You can be amicable, but if they're like friends and like hanging out, that's just it's a no-go.
	Andrew, quick thoughts on this one?
	No, you shouldn't ever be friends with your exes.
	And if you're in a committed relationship of any type, you shouldn't have friends of the opposite sex either.
	Okay, there you go.
	And so I want to ask this question.
	We won't linger too long on it because we've already talked about this on the show a couple previous times.
	The man versus bear debate, maybe I've seen this viral thing on TikTok, social media.
	So if you're walking alone in the woods, would you rather come across a bear or a man?
	I've come across bears.
	I do a lot of hiking, so they're not, like...
	What kind of bears?
	Uh...
	Thankfully not a grizzly, but black bears.
	A lot in Wyoming?
	Was it Wyoming?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	They kind of leave you alone.
	As long as you look down and you back away slowly, you don't make yourself look big, you're fine.
	So you have come across, you've actually come across a bear.
	Were you alone or walking with friends?
	I was with my mom and my sister.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	We were backpacking.
	And so you did come across an adult black bear.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And so what did you guys do in that situation?
	We really just, you know, it was like far enough away that it wasn't like, you know, right at our faces or something, thankfully.
	Otherwise, my sister would have freaked out and run away, which would have been really bad.
	But, you know, you really just, you mind your business.
	You look down, you back away.
	You don't look, you know, you don't want to scare the bear, obviously, or make any sudden movements.
	So it's really just look down, back away, slowly.
	Which I feel like could be the same thing you could do if you see a scary man alone in the woods.
	You look down, back away, slowly.
	So I think it could go either way.
	Okay.
	But I don't think you did do that with the black bear, though.
	You looked down and walked back.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Or like when you see them, like if you're backpacking, when you see them, you just kind of, they just mind their own business.
	They don't really want your skin.
	Do you ever do that?
	Have you ever like crossed paths with a man and look down?
	I feel like every time I see a man, I don't want to make eye confidence.
	Oh, shit.
	Yeah, all right.
	I don't want to look down.
	All right, what about you?
	My friends and I were talking about this debate the other day, and I think that it's funny because I would say a bear.
	I think that if you were to reverse the question respectfully, I don't know what guys say to this, but I would say a bear because I know that at least like the worst thing that he could do is kill me.
	A man could do a variety of things.
	Okay.
	Well, I'll get everybody's answers.
	We won't linger on this one for too long, but I'll get people's answers.
	A bear, because that's easier to scare away.
	A bear is easier to scare away.
	I think isn't like you're supposed to just scream at them and they like run away.
	That's like the tales I've heard.
	It depends on the bear.
	I'd rather the bear is still, though.
	I don't know.
	I'll take my chances.
	Okay, so the bear.
	Alright, what about you?
	I love bears.
	I wish I could be close to a bear and not kill me, but I'd rather be a man.
	Okay.
	I'll take the bear any day.
	You guys are crazy.
	A man for sure.
	A man.
	I would say bear because I like large animals.
	That's a terrible answer.
	Well, bears are also like dumber.
	Like, you like, if a bear was, like, I would rather be probably, like, being mauled by a bear would suck, but, like, a man could sneak up on you.
	Like, they could kill you in, like, lots of other, like, really sadistic ways.
	Like, a bear is just going to maul you.
	But if you're lost in the woods and you find a man that could help you out or build a fire or build a place for you to stay, like, over the night, wherever you guys are lost, like, I feel like they'd have a lot more survival skills than at least I would have if I'm lost in the woods.
	Oh, I thought this was a man.
	I would help you, though.
	Yeah.
	I thought this was a man with a motive.
	I hope you live, though.
	That's the whole thing about men.
	Like, finding a man in the middle of the woods would be the dangerous part.
	What if they're just hiking?
	I'd rather be alone.
	What if you get lost and there's a man hiking and he has all these survival skills that you personally don't have that could help you in that situation?
	There's a lot of men that would help women.
	Yeah.
	But there's also a lot of men that would do the opposite.
	And it's like, are you going to take your chances of like, I rather trust myself.
	So let me ask.
	So this sort of seems to.
	There's this assumption here that the man would be bad in this situation.
	What percentage, like, so the frame here is you take, you pluck a totally random man out of, say, the entire population of the United States.
	Totally random man.
	So what percentage of men do you think would attack you?
	A high one.
	I feel like it's also the fact that the man knows that he's alone with you and that he can get away with anything.
	It'd be very different to find a man on the side of the road.
	Like on the side of the road, it'd be like, okay, that man will probably help me.
	But like in the middle of nowhere, it's like you really don't know.
	And I wouldn't want to take my chances because I just value my life a little too much.
	So, well, asking the question, what, since we are talking about you're just picking, it's a totally random man.
	It could be a good man.
	Could be a bad man.
	Could be a neutral man, I guess.
	The good man could conceivably, say you're lost in the forest, he could help you survive.
	Could be a neutral man who just walks right by you, goes along his way.
	It could be a bad man who serial murder, whatever.
	What percentage of men do you think, if presented with this scenario, would actually attack you in some way, whatever way that might be?
	Are you asking?
	Yeah, starting with you, we'll go around the table.
	I don't know, probably not a large percent.
	What do you think?
	I don't know.
	That's such a broad question, I feel like.
	I wouldn't, like of the U.S. population, you mean?
	Was that what you said?
	Yeah, sure.
	I don't know.
	A low percentage, I would say.
	Not a very high percent, necessarily.
	Give us 10%, 20%?
	Like 30, maybe?
	30%.
	30% of the men.
	Am I?
	I don't know.
	Well, we'll get everybody's answers.
	What about you?
	What do you think?
	I would say maybe like 20%, like one in five.
	One in five men would try to murder you.
	Hopefully.
	I don't know.
	I think it's really context-dependent, too.
	Like, what is he doing in the woods alone?
	Well, it's just you've just plopped a random man.
	It's just like by chance.
	Totally, totally random man.
	I would say probably 20%.
	So one in five men would be inclined to murder a woman if given the chance.
	I don't really know.
	Like maybe, I would say it's it's probably lower like in reality of in terms of like murder rates or whatever.
	Okay.
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	Okay, first girl's answer is mute because she was...
	What?
	Okay, I thought the microphones were muted.
	What percentage of men?
	I don't know how to, I can't even think about it.
	If I recall, you said like a high one for the majority of someone's.
	I said a high one.
	I feel like what's high?
	I feel like 30 to 35, like maybe even pushing 40.
	I feel like men are just scary as a woman.
	If you're ever alone just in the streets in the city, it's already scary enough and there are no bears.
	Imagine this scenario.
	There's like no one else but just you and a random man.
	Okay, so random 40% of men would opt to attack you in this situation.
	What about you?
	I'd say a very low percent.
	Did you say man or bear?
	I said man.
	Okay.
	I'd rather be a man.
	Yeah.
	Wait, be a man?
	I'd rather it be a man.
	Oh, it be.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I'd rather the person in the woods be a man than a bear.
	What percentage do you think?
	A very small percentage.
	I think there'd be some men that'd be happy for like another person to find another person in the woods.
	And I think there'd be a low percentage that would want to kill you.
	What percentage?
	2%, maybe 1%.
	2%.
	Okay.
	What do you think?
	I think there actually would be a pretty low percentage who want to full-on kill you.
	Maybe like 5, like 7%, but like a good 30% that would do something very questionable, even if it's the lowest form of sexual harassment, but for sure make you uncomfortable.
	Maybe even like 40%.
	Okay, so when you mean like they would essay you?
	40% would essay?
	40% would make you uncomfortable.
	Like they would do something that well wouldn't couldn't a man just make you uncomfortable just by walking past you in the woods?
	Not even doing anything?
	No, I'm pretty sure you like you get my point.
	Like 40%, like for example, one would like, I don't know, like slap your ass or something like that.
	Like something that like is not okay.
	All right.
	No.
	That's okay.
	You said man.
	What percentage though do you think would to murder or to like rape or like what are we talking about here?
	Anything?
	Just try to say essay instead if you have to.
	No, sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't know.
	Like five to ten.
	It depends what we're talking about.
	Ten percent men would try to essay or murder.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I think like very small, like 0.1%.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Yeah, I would say like one to two percent.
	But you did pick bear, if I recall.
	I did, only because I am striving to be a large animal vet.
	So I think that I could actually help the bear if it needed it, you know?
	You're not really engaging in good faith with the question, but she just wants to come in contact with a bear in the wild, I think.
	I know, but you're kind of like dancing around the point of the question.
	But, okay.
	So the numbers some of you guys provided were pretty high.
	Well, here's what I've got.
	I've got for the first one, she thinks that 33 million men 33 million men would want to in somehow do horrible things to you, which would include murder.
	The second one's 55 million men, by your estimate, would want to do something horrible to you in that situation.
	The other one's estimates were still beyond high, but you really think that 33 million men in the United States want to murder you in a forest if they could?
	Like, honestly, do you think that?
	No, I was kind of just shooting a random number.
	I wasn't like, I feel like it's so broad, I don't know the percentage is very for that.
	So I've meant not a lot.
	Let's just go with not a lot.
	Okay, then the other one's roughly 55 million.
	You think roughly 55 million men want to murder you in a forest?
	No.
	No.
	I would like to say that the misconception and like the high estimates are coming from the idea that as women, we are kind of conditioned to fear the idea of getting attacked by a man and be afraid of that.
	And so our estimate would be high because we already think the probability of getting attacked would be high given that women are not necessarily safe when they walk alone.
	I think that's where the misconception is.
	Yeah, doesn't that seem to you to be illegitimate, though, if your estimates are so high that you believe that as many as 55 million men in your native nation would just murder you in a forest if they happen to be alone with you?
	I mean, that kind of conditioning might be a little bit absurd.
	I'll retract my estimate if it bothers you.
	But I would say that I can stand by the fact that maybe there's an overflowing estimate.
	Wouldn't you retract it?
	Well, you seem a little bothered.
	That's why.
	Yeah, wouldn't you retract it, though, because you don't actually believe that 55 million men in your native nation would murder you horribly if they were in a forest with you?
	You're right.
	I think that it was inaccurate, but I'm saying that even though it was inaccurate, I'm speaking to the inaccuracy and saying the reason why was because lots of women fear being attacked by men.
	Yeah, but that doesn't sound like it's very justified that they fear that.
	Are you a woman?
	When we start talking about the actual, do I need to be a woman to note if it's justified by the numbers, whether you should fear that or not?
	I don't understand.
	I don't know if you can understand.
	Should I be able to use my logical brain, even if I don't have a vagina, to take note as to whether or not this is possible or not possible?
	Do I need to be a woman to note that 55 million men obviously and clearly don't want to kill you in a forest?
	Did I need to be a woman to know that?
	I think you're a little stuck on the number.
	I think really what we're talking about is the female experience, which you can't speak to.
	Yeah, but I can speak to the male experience.
	And don't you think the male experience can speak to the male experience of how many men I think would actually want to hurt you?
	Well, I'm really happy that you wouldn't hurt you.
	How come only your bias opinion matters?
	The male experience, I would think, would be able to speak much more highly as to how many men would actually be determined to do some harm to you if you were in the middle of a forest and they came across you in the forest.
	You're right, but this is a podcast of women and we're talking about women, so that's why.
	Well, it's a podcast of women, but there's clearly men on the panel.
	It's not ours.
	Well, you're talking a lot for what it's like.
	It's not our job to kiss your ass because you're a woman.
	I'm having an adult conversation with you.
	I didn't ask you to kiss my ass.
	I don't know why I need to look at everything from feminist standpoint theory or from your perspective when you so easily dismiss mine.
	I'm telling you that your number is absurd.
	It makes no sense.
	And as you retract it, you very quickly retracted it because you realized how absurd it was.
	Why would you say that I have to be a woman in order to speak to this?
	That seems insane.
	I didn't say that.
	I said that I was talking about my estimate.
	And you're right.
	My estimate was over-inflated, but I explained to you why it was over-inflated.
	Yeah, I know, but the reasoning, so I still have to take everything through a logical prism.
	So, even if you tell me the reason that it was over-inflated is because of X, that still has to make sense.
	Saying that it was this way because I just felt like it should be that way, that doesn't actually make any logical sense.
	You're not basing that on anything other than how you feel, right?
	Right.
	So, she based it on the fact that we're conditioned.
	We're actually taught to think this way, not just by our mothers, but by our fathers, especially in the Hispanic household, like our fathers will be the one that tells you, don't trust the man in the wood.
	Yeah, but that's really kind of strange because even right here on this panel, the estimates are wildly different as to how many women think that they would or would not be assaulted or murdered by men.
	So, when you say we are taught, like as a collective, that clearly can't be true as there's many women on this very panel who gave wildly different answers, right?
	Yes, but not every man is a good father who teaches his daughters to be wary of a certain type of man.
	You know, not everyone is brought up in the same way.
	That sounds like an indictment of being raised by mothers only.
	Mothers only?
	What do you mean?
	I was like, there would be nothing wrong with that.
	Yeah, there wouldn't, but I'm confused on your point.
	Well, because if you're saying that it would require some kind of strong man in the home to condition a daughter to know what type of man to look for, wouldn't that be an indictment of being in only a single mother home?
	That that probably wouldn't be good for a kid?
	No, because I started off that statement saying that it's not just mothers that do that, that it's also fathers.
	So, therefore, like it's both parents who have the ability to teach their children about these things.
	Well, was it your father or your mother who told you that such a wildly disproportionate amount of men were going to assault you in a forest if you came across one?
	If I'm going to be honest, it was both, but it was mainly my father who wouldn't even let me go to a sleepover because of things like this.
	Yeah, but I mean, there's a distinction between not wanting to let your teenage daughter go to sleepovers under certain types of conditions rather than an indictment of men and that men are going to just do horrible things to you.
	That seems kind of silly, right?
	Well, no, because he actually like taught me like why it wasn't.
	Like, you know what I mean?
	Like, he didn't just say you can't go to a sleepover because I don't want you to.
	He told me the reasoning behind it and like gave me equal talk, you know.
	Yeah, so that's not really an indictment of men.
	That might have just been an indictment of the situation, right?
	I love that we said I think what she's saying is that the numbers are so different because everyone has a different background experience of what they heard from growing up.
	Nobody actually knows what percentage.
	We're just all guessing.
	So, some have a higher percentage because that's what they, the information they receive growing up.
	Some have a lower percentage because that's the information they receive, but no one really knows.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, but that's why we're kind of having a back and forth on it, right?
	We can assume that nobody knows the answer for sure, but we can still reason things out to make a determination.
	So, like, let me ask this question a slightly different way.
	Let's assume all of you were trapped in a forest.
	You were in a horrible plane wreck, and you were actually trapped in a forest, and there was a bear there.
	Now, the bear hadn't been overtly aggressive, but you have been avoiding it like the plague because you didn't want to find out.
	You're trapped in the forest, the bear is there.
	You happen to come across a man on the trail who has not noticed you yet.
	Would you ask him for help?
	100%.
	Go ahead, going around the table.
	Would you ask him for help?
	Oh, yeah.
	If I'm lost in the forest, yeah.
	Yeah, would you ask for help?
	Before I answer this, I think that I can see where your logic is going, where it's like, oh, why would you trust a random man if you were endangered?
	Just answer the question, please.
	Well, okay, yes, but I think I know where you're going with this.
	That's just what I was going to say.
	Okay, and then next one, would you ask for help?
	Probably not.
	Probably not.
	You'd stay trapped in the middle of a forest with a bear.
	Okay, next one, would you ask for help?
	Yeah, I would if it was a man or woman or they or anything.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but it's a man specifically.
	Oh, and he has a rifle.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah, I still would.
	And then next, would you ask him for help?
	I'd eye him out first.
	Yeah, I know, but you've eyed him out.
	He looks like a normal man, just like Ted Bundy did and Jeffrey Dahmer did.
	He looks like a normal person.
	I mean, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	And then next, would you?
	Yes.
	But I think if you put the situation like.
	Oh, no, no qualifiers yet.
	Hang on.
	I just want to get everybody's answer.
	The next?
	Yes, I would.
	You would.
	And then next.
	Yes, 100%.
	Okay, so now we can give all the qualifiers now that the whole table's gone around.
	So can you guys explain to me the logic of when you're asked the question, would you rather be trapped in the middle of a forest with a bear or a man?
	You say the bear.
	But then when asked if you were trapped in a forest with a bear and a man came along to give you help out of the forest, that you would ask the man for help.
	Can you explain that to me?
	I really would like to understand the logic.
	Oh, I don't think I even answered actually the first time around.
	I just said I've seen a bear.
	So I don't think I'd be able to do it.
	No, you said you would prefer the bear because you've seen him and that you know how to deal with him because you're an experienced hiker.
	I don't know if I'd say that.
	I don't know.
	I think being trapped with another person is obviously probably preferable just because you can have help, like building shelter, whatever, finding water, you know, whatever you can.
	And then, but then with a bear, if you're trapped in the woods, you're pretty much always with the bear.
	That's their home.
	That's where they are.
	Okay.
	So.
	And then next, next gal, can you tell me why you would do that in contrast to your own logic?
	I'm just curious.
	I think that it would just be out of desperation.
	Like in that sense, like it wouldn't be who's more dangerous or whatever the argument is supposed to be.
	It would just be a matter of like, you know, oh my god, there's a bear over there, and we're two humans and that's a bear.
	I don't think it's not on the basis of gender.
	Well, I didn't say it was on the basis of gender, but can you understand that it's really, really strange to me to hear if you're asked, would you rather be trapped in the forest with a man or a bear?
	And then when you say a bear, I say, and if you were trapped with a bear and it hadn't even shown signs of aggression, but you hadn't approached it because it could, and a man came by, would you ask for help?
	You say yes.
	You see why that sounds absurd to me?
	No.
	No.
	Because in contrast to this, you're basically trusting a man the same exact way to help you get out of this situation.
	But if you were put in the situation with a man, you would not expect a man to help you get out of the situation.
	It makes no sense.
	In that sense, first of all, this isn't really a logic game, so I don't want to necessarily approach it 100% with logic.
	I think that there's some legitimacy to approach the situation with emotion because I think everyone would be kind of scared.
	I think in this situation, you would be trusting a man to protect you against a bear as opposed to trusting yourself to make the decision against whether or not you're going to choose the man or the bear.
	Yeah, so then why wouldn't you prefer to be trapped with the man instead of the bear if your assumption is that the man's going to protect you from the bear?
	Well, I guess you could say that I could, sure, I could approach the man when I saw the bear and have to trust that he's not going to attack me too.
	But like, I guess then it's just kind of a lesser of two evils.
	But then why wouldn't you prefer to be trapped with a man over a bear if you're hoping that the man would extract you from being trapped with a bear?
	I don't know which situation you're presenting here.
	Is it you alone and there's one or the other or both at the same time?
	Yeah, if it's you alone or there's one or the other, you can be trapped with a bear or you can be trapped with a man.
	You prefer to be trapped with a bear.
	However, in this situation where you are trapped with a bear, you would still, if a man was coming by, request his aid in making sure that you could get out of being trapped with a bear.
	That's nonsensical.
	It makes no sense.
	It's completely irrational.
	Humans don't always behave rationally.
	Yeah, but when they don't behave rationally, shouldn't they behave rationally?
	Not necessarily.
	You think that human beings should behave irrationally?
	We're not robots.
	Like, it's not a trendy person.
	You're not calculating the logic every time I make a decision.
	Like, do you always behave rationally?
	Yes.
	100% all the time.
	Yes.
	You've never gotten emotional and made a rash comment or anything like that?
	Just because I'm emotional doesn't mean I become irrational.
	But to my knowledge, I've never become irrational.
	It's possible, perhaps, that I have had too much to drink at certain points in my life or something like this, where I've lost my faculties.
	But yes, when I'm in my normal state of mind, I don't believe that I become irrational, no.
	Okay.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I don't think that irrationality is something that generally people strive towards.
	I just think you're kind of oversimplifying the human experience by saying that, like, you know, you're a perfectly rational being and all these things would just innately make sense to you.
	Like, there's plenty of evidence that people make quote-unquote illogical decisions, by your definition, all the time.
	Yeah, but that doesn't mean that they should.
	Well, I don't think that humans should or shouldn't behave.
	No one wakes up in the morning and says, I'm going to behave illogically.
	Yeah, I know.
	So they shouldn't do that then.
	I like that you wake up every morning and decide that you're going to behave logically.
	That doesn't mean that you will.
	Yeah, but I should.
	Well, okay, everyone should.
	Sure.
	Right.
	That's my whole point.
	So if everybody should, then just saying that, hey, not everybody does isn't really much of an argument because we still agree that they should behave rationally.
	So when we have these scenarios and you kind of give me an irrational logical basis for why it is that you choose A over B, shouldn't that question your foundations?
	Shouldn't you question your own foundations then in your own emotions to think, well, wait a second, perhaps I'm behaving irrationally and I shouldn't do that.
	By your own admission, you should not behave irrationally, right?
	Like, I see your point, sure.
	But I don't know.
	I don't think that I have necessarily the strongest motivation to perfectly behave rationally at all times.
	I always think that there's a better, like an answer that's better explained by the context in that situation.
	I mean, sure, there could be answers which are better explained in the context of the situation, but they would be rational answers, right?
	You really like this word rational.
	Do you have any others?
	Do you prefer logical?
	I just seem to.
	Do you know any others?
	Sure.
	Yeah, sure.
	I just think that you just seem really stuck on the idea of logic.
	And I just don't think that this is really an argument about logic unless you're trying to prove a point about women supposedly thinking it's illogical to fear being alone in the woods with a man.
	Well, it seemed to be by your own logic that it's an irrational fear if you would still allow a man to extract you out of a situation with a bear, why you wouldn't just want to be trapped with a man to begin with.
	That seems totally irrational.
	It's essentially the same scenario.
	You just remove one item, and suddenly the entire situation changes, and there's really no reason for it to change.
	It doesn't really make any sense.
	They're both still strangers in this scenario.
	They're both still men in this scenario.
	You're still actually technically trapped with both of them in this scenario, but you would still.
	You're right.
	It's so different, though, because, like, if there's a bear and a man, it's like a whole different situation.
	Because, like, what man in the right mind is going to still think about like S-A-N-U while there's a bear right there.
	Like, that's like, there's one bear at that point.
	So, I'm saying it's like two men.
	It's just two humans that, like, that's why we're choosing that option because it's just like those two humans against the bear is like way better logically.
	Yeah, I know.
	But if that's the case, then why would you choose the bear to begin with?
	That makes no sense logically.
	Well, but if you're alone with only the man that is scarier than you are with both, you have more chances just face.
	I guess the bear would be, if you want us, like, say it, it's a greater evil because you can't really communicate and say, like, please don't attack me.
	But still, as much like, as a woman, safer to just like not be alone with a stranger and that stranger being also a male, like a full man.
	Like, but yeah, if you were, by your own admission, to ask a stranger who is a man for help and assistance because you were trapped with a bear, you're essentially putting the same trust in him as if you were trapped with him.
	Because he would also probably be scared of the bear.
	So he would probably put his life first instead of strapping away.
	It's contradicting to your answer because he would ask him.
	The bear is there, right?
	He doesn't even know because you're asking him for help.
	But like, he doesn't even know about the bear.
	The bear is irrelevant to him.
	But you would ask him for help to extract you from the situation, thus putting your hands, your life in the hands of a stranger.
	Using your own words, it would be more rational for the man to be afraid of the bear compared to me.
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	Like.
	That's literally my answer.
	Yeah, no, I literally less afraid of a bear than you would be.
	But the point of the question is to ask you who you would prefer to be trapped with, a strange man or a bear.
	And the answer is a bear, but you would still put your trust in a strange man who you did not know to extract you from the situation of being with a bear.
	That's where it becomes irrational to me, where I don't, where I lose the plot.
	I don't understand anymore because it seems like you're just doing the same exact thing.
	Do you guys get what he's saying or no?
	I just want to backtrack into like, so the second scenario, we are there.
	We are in a bad situation.
	There is a bear that we are aware of, and this strange man doesn't know, and we can ask him for help.
	Yeah.
	And the bear is like not doing anything.
	It's just there.
	Yeah, it has not overtly shown signs of aggression to you being trapped with it yet.
	You haven't, but you haven't approached it.
	You haven't done any of that.
	You've been hiding from the bear, which I assume you would probably hide from a bear.
	I don't assume that you would approach it because none of you seem like you're stupid, right?
	You wouldn't approach a wild bear, would you?
	No, I'm not like smokely.
	No.
	No, you're not approaching a wild bear.
	So you have not approached this wild bear.
	You've been hiding from it.
	You see a man.
	He's in the forest.
	He's got a rifle slung.
	He's walking through the forest.
	He's by himself.
	You're in the middle of nowhere.
	You're otherwise trapped.
	Would you ask him for help?
	I'll keep hiding from both.
	So you would stay trapped with the bear rather than ask him for help?
	I think the, yeah, I thought.
	So, in order to be logically consistent, you would stay trapped with a bear in the middle of a forest rather than ask a man who you did not know for help to get you out of the situation of being trapped with a bear in the forest.
	And does that sound like that's rational either?
	Well, it's not a rational situation.
	It's not a rational scenario.
	It is a rational scenario.
	It's a hypothesis, but sure.
	In fact, I can give you one such situation where something similar to this happened, absent a bear.
	You can look this up.
	I just did the other night when this came up because it had triggered a memory about this.
	There was a woman, her plane went down over the Amazon, and it was in the Amazon rainforest, and it crashed and it broke her arm badly, and she was wounded badly.
	And she was trapped in the Amazon following the water for five days, totally wounded.
	She thought she was going to die.
	And guess who she asked for help?
	You'll never guess.
	Oh, was it a man?
	She came across a hut with two men, and she went into the hut and laid down and begged them for help, begged them, please.
	And of course, they didn't trap her and SA her.
	These Amazonians, they went and got her help after they patched her up, of course, and got her out of there.
	And then she made a full recovery.
	It's quite an amazing story.
	It's very, very rare that such a thing happens, but it does happen.
	Such things do actually happen.
	So it's not really an irrational scenario.
	It's a good thought exercise that maps onto reality.
	So I just want to ask you one more time.
	You would hide from the man and stay trapped with the bear.
	I just want to make sure that that's your answer.
	So I have actually something that maybe you would like some evidence.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I just want to answer real quick.
	Give your answer.
	Switch it, Nick.
	Yeah, I think that was a beautiful story, and that's very nice.
	Very glad that that happened to her.
	But I would probably hide.
	I would just be scared in general.
	Yeah, you would stay trapped with a bear in the middle of the forest rather than ask for help from me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Can I give like a little more realistic of a situation?
	So, say you're like at a bar or at a club, how much more likely is it when everyone's intoxicated that you get SA'd as a woman?
	I think a lot more likely, and it's a more real situation.
	I think that's kind of what women are trying to speak up against these days.
	What in the world does that have to do with this scenario?
	Well, I'm just saying if we're being more realistic about scenarios that happen today for college girls or girls in their 20s or early 30s when they go to bars and clubs, yes, you could avoid the situation and not put yourself in that space, but it does happen a lot.
	Yeah, but what in the world would that have to do with this scenario?
	I still don't understand.
	I get that you're saying in a situation where as to why women who's at a club or something like this, you should be very cautious about drinks.
	This is why women feel intimidated by men, you know, because they've had experiences like that.
	And I picked ma'am, and I wouldn't have to do that.
	Yeah, I mean, I get it.
	I understand that, but I'm not sure how that maps on to being trapped with a bear in the wilderness.
	I'm not sure how that maps on at all.
	I'm not referring to that situation.
	I'm saying let's put ourselves in a more realistic situation because most of us don't go on top of that.
	You mean change the entirety of the hypothetical?
	Right, but I'm just saying that this is where it's coming from.
	A lot of women have had those experiences.
	No, because some, so let me get this right.
	So because some women have their drinks spiked in bars and get SA'd, that means they shouldn't ask for help if they were ever in the wilderness trapped with a bear.
	No, that makes sense to you.
	That's not what I'm saying at all.
	I'm saying the reason.
	That's why you should stick with the premise of the hypothetical because otherwise we're going to end up with all kinds of absurd conclusions, right?
	It's not an absurd conclusion.
	It's what happens these days.
	If you're wondering why these women would pick bear over man, it's probably because they've had an experience where a man has assaulted them in one way or another.
	Let us assume for a moment that you had been assaulted by multiple men, okay?
	Which I'm sure has happened to all sorts of different women.
	Why in the world would that make it more or less rational to trust a man you do not know if you're in a situation where you were trapped with a bear?
	Can you make that make sense for me?
	Here, go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Wait, well, I believe the question is directed at you.
	Okay, say that one more time.
	Why would you say that?
	Yeah, even assuming that a woman had been many times essayed under the circumstances that you're talking about, which is horrific.
	Can you explain to me why that would make it more rational for her to not request that a man ate her, a strange man ate her, that she did not know if she was trapped with a bear in the forest?
	Why would that be suddenly a more rational decision?
	I don't understand that.
	I don't think I ever said it'd be a more rational decision.
	I just think that some women have a hard time trusting men because of experiences that they've had in their life.
	That's really.
	Well, then it's irrational.
	So then there would be irrational still.
	Even if that had happened.
	So even if I grant the entire premise of why you feel that way, it still would not be rational to not request aid from a strange man if you were trapped in the wilderness with a bear.
	Yeah, I've never disagreed on that.
	Yeah, so it would still be irrational.
	So I still don't even understand the premise then.
	What she's saying is irrational.
	It makes no sense.
	I got a couple questions on this, and then we'll move on to a new topic.
	Nick, feel free to show that one.
	And then I'll read a couple chats here.
	So does it change anything if you were, instead of the venue or the location being a forest, would your answer change if it was just a room?
	A 10 by 10 room?
	No, we're stuck in the room?
	Would you rather be in a room, 10 by 10 room, with a bear or a random man, randomly selected man?
	So it could be a man who would be inclined to murder you, or it could be a perfectly, it could be, I'm sure you guys have all met good, decent men.
	Could be a good, decent man, too.
	More likely to be.
	Anyways, I shouldn't, well, I shouldn't preempt that, but which do you pick?
	If you're in a room?
	The man.
	I don't want to be in a room with a bear.
	I don't know.
	Like, I think that one, I think it does change it because the woods is totally different than an enclosed space.
	So, yeah, I don't know if I could really pick one.
	I think that I just wanted to speak on one last thing.
	I think that when we talk about like, oh, it would be so irrational for someone to not want to be in the woods with a man as opposed to a bear, there's the idea of the availability heuristic, where the things that are the most salient in your mind will end up like determining the logic that someone has in that situation.
	So we hear a lot more about like men potentially assaulting women.
	And sure, we hear about bear attacks too.
	And so people would be likely to be afraid of that.
	Like the classic example is like an airplane crash.
	People are afraid of flying on airplanes, even though statistically it's not likely to happen.
	So statistically, I may have miscalculated and said that 20% of men were likely to attack me.
	That's not logical at all.
	But you could root it in the logic of the availability heuristic.
	Well, there is no such thing as a logic of availability.
	Logic is not like kung fu.
	Your kung fu is not better than my kung fu.
	There is only one kung fu in this situation.
	There's only one logic.
	There is not different forms of it.
	There's just one form of it.
	So the same thing with rationality.
	Rationality would be if you're saying something which maps onto logic or not.
	And so if you're saying something which is irrational, it's not logical.
	It makes no sense.
	It doesn't map onto it.
	So it's not like kung fu where you can say my kung fu, my logic better than your logic.
	There is only one logic.
	Okay, if that's the way that you want to interpret logic, then.
	No, no, no.
	That's the only way it's going to be.
	That's your way.
	Okay, here.
	Let me demonstrate it for you.
	Let me demonstrate it for you so that you know that I'm telling the truth.
	Hang on.
	Can 2 plus 2 ever not equal 4?
	Like if I were to think about the logic of math, maybe there's someone who could come.
	No, no, can 2 plus 2 ever not equal 4?
	By the rules of math, probably not.
	I don't know.
	What do you guys think?
	And the rules of math would be an extension of logic, right?
	Well, life isn't exactly like math.
	Unless there was missing information.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But I just want to make sure that we're clear.
	That if there can be no your math, my math, right?
	There cannot be any.
	Unless there was missing information.
	If you have a math where two plus two does not equal four, and I have a math where two plus two does equal four.
	Two plus two has to equal four, right?
	Unless there's missing information.
	Because two plus two, if there's missing information in the middle, what do you mean?
	No, it literally, there is no missing information.
	If there's missing information.
	The question is, two plus two equals four.
	So what would be an example of missing information?
	That would be like.
	Two plus two plus three?
	No.
	That would be if two plus.
	Two plus parentheses, two times two, parentheses plus two equals four?
	That would be, it would be illogical if you were to.
	Into the mic, please.
	Yes.
	So two plus two could not equal four only if there was missing information.
	Missing information.
	If the two.
	Give us an example.
	Okay.
	If the two was referring to another group.
	So if you're saying.
	So A plus B equals four.
	No.
	Okay, so what's sorry, go ahead.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	I've never heard this before.
	So please just try to explain.
	Yeah, I mean, I agree.
	Two plus two always equals four if you don't have any missing information.
	But if you have missing information, so assuming that you have all the information, I understand what you're saying.
	You're saying that two could be a representative of some other category that is not two.
	Right?
	But if two is a representative of some other category, which is not two, then it is no longer two.
	Correct?
	Then, yeah, then it's no longer two.
	Yeah, but it's no longer the same question.
	So assuming that's true.
	It's true, but I think talking to her, talking to her point, what she's saying is that there's missing information.
	When you guys talk about this question about man versus bear, there's missing information.
	Like, you guys are putting it up to make fun of women for feeling like bad about feeling scared of a man.
	That's what I hear when I hear the question.
	That's just feeling.
	Okay, well, I'd like to finish if it's possible.
	So I think that, you know, women were taught from a young age.
	Like, in middle school, I was shown a video about all the things that men could do to you.
	Like, they could go under your cars and slash your Achilles.
	Yeah, yeah, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Before we get into this, though, and I'll let you make your point because I want you to be able to.
	Can we get back to this idea that 2 plus 2, there's some scenario where 2 plus 2 is not going to equal 4?
	Yeah, so two groups of 3 would not equal 4.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	There's no scenario where if you understand that two represents two ones and another two represents two ones, that it is impossible to add four ones together and not get four perfect.
	I agree.
	Without any missing information, I agree, but I'm comparing it to her.
	Hang on.
	So then hang on.
	I just want to make sure we're clear.
	So then it can't be her math versus my math.
	That's why I was making the, or trying to get her to understand there's only one way to do logic because there's laws which govern logic, just like there's laws which govern mathematics.
	That's my point.
	Yes.
	So one add-on question here.
	In a scenario where you're presented with two plus two, what would be the scenario where there could ever be quote-unquote missing information from an equation?
	So that would be if two was referring to an amount.
	So if you're like, you know, in school, we're learned that it's ones, like how Andrew said, one plus one plus one plus one.
	But two could be referring.
	No, like two dozens.
	One plus one.
	Brian, she's making a category here.
	So what she's saying is she's saying you could have two as a representative of something which is not two ones.
	Yes.
	We're taught in school that two is represented by the same thing.
	Can you pull up a tab?
	Can you pull up a tab?
	Just a blank notepad.
	And then just write two plus two in a calculator?
	Yeah, well, a calculator is going to always be in the ones and tens, just like we're taught in school.
	Are you talking about like X and Y, A and B?
	No.
	I'm talking about ones and tens.
	I think Andrew knows what I'm talking about.
	Do you, is she making sense, Andrew?
	Because I'm not following activities.
	I'm trying to be as charitable to this as I possibly can.
	So I just want to make sure I got it clear.
	I think that what you're saying, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that you can utilize the representation of the number two to refer to information that has nothing to do with two ones, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay, got it.
	That you can do, but then the value two no longer represents what we're saying when we say two, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So that, yeah, I mean, you can do that, but it's just kind of meaningless ultimately to the question of two plus one.
	I also feel like we're doing the thing with a man versus bear where it's becoming to that point too where we're like, you know, you're trying to like put someone down for feeling like they're scared of a man.
	I think where they're going with it, it's not really anything like that.
	I think they're just saying like, if you, for some reason, were stuck somewhere, would you rather be with someone that could help you, possibly, or with a bear that it's just there in nature.
	They don't have any instinct of helping you or getting you out of there.
	I agree that that's the question, but I'm talking about the intention of the question when you talk about it in a group like this.
	Like, you're trying to look at women and say, like, oh, isn't that funny that you're afraid to be alone with a man?
	No, I can't.
	That's what I hear.
	That's what I hear.
	That's what I hear to her.
	You're saying, like, oh, ha ha.
	Like, no, it is.
	I don't.
	Because I agree with your view.
	So, so hang on, let me be charitable to your view.
	I also think that the intent of the question is to get to something deeper.
	That's what you're saying here, right?
	The intent of the question is to get at something deeper.
	But that's what I'm doing with the logical cross-examination is trying to see if when we go deeper, if this makes less sense or more sense.
	You say that that's to laugh at you, but I think that it's not to laugh at you, but it's to make a determination as to what is rational and true versus what's based purely on emotion.
	And so that's not shaming you.
	Is it rational?
	Is it shaming you?
	Isn't it the opposite of shaming you to say, listen, I'd like to rationally go through this to see if this actually makes sense, and I'm going to treat you as a peer while we do that?
	That seems like the opposite of shaming.
	Yeah, well, you did that to her, and now I think it's time to move on.
	Well, hold on.
	I mean, he did that to her.
	I don't think he was trying to like shame her or anything.
	I think that's what I'm saying.
	I think it's just like, personally, I don't feel shamed.
	I just don't think that you were really trying to understand my point.
	It came off like you were trying to look at this as a logic game when we all know that it's not.
	It is.
	It is a kind of.
	Well, I think that the point is that, like, I don't see this whole scenario as necessary in the same way that you do, and that's fine.
	I just think that obviously we were trying to get at something deeper, and people were trying to explain that from their own experience, from emotion, or whatever it is that you think is superficial in this sense.
	Or I don't know exactly how you're viewing it.
	I just think that in this situation, that's where people were coming from.
	And the idea of trying to boil it down to just a logic game is aside from the how else can we determine, how can we make determinations about whether or not something's a rational fear or an irrational fear or something makes sense or doesn't make sense unless we use logic and we use some way to probe this from some unstained changing standard, which logic would be to make a determination as to whether or not, hey, there could just be a mass delusion going on here.
	Perhaps you do think these things from the position of how you feel.
	That's fine.
	I'm not saying you can't feel that way.
	I'm just saying it could be irrational that you feel that way.
	And so how am I supposed to discuss it with you if you just shut down and say, but I hate that logic stuff because all that matters is how I feel.
	Doesn't that seem, again, irrational?
	I think that it's just a sensitive topic, so people get heated over it.
	Wait, you were going to come in on something?
	Yeah, I was just going to comment on the whole rationality thing.
	Like, I think her point is that, like, this doesn't have anything to do with rationality because it's like putting on a seatbelt.
	Like, you put on your seatbelt just because, like, in case, it's like in case situation.
	Like, you're not going to choose the man in case something were to happen.
	It's not just, it's not because we're like, oh, there's like this, this percentage that it's going to happen to me today.
	Today's the day, like, if I choose the man, it's going to like, no, no one's thinking about it in that way.
	It's just like.
	Can I ask you a question?
	So.
	But then, hang on.
	I get it.
	But wouldn't that be irrational then?
	Christine donated $200.
	Irrational.
	As a female, I will be honest and say that this spare versus man debate is just a low-key way for us women to remind you men that we hate you and have a low-level contempt towards your gender.
	F you.
	Damn.
	I mean, I do actually think that's what it is.
	There is no, there's no, it's not rational.
	It's not logical.
	It's simply social signaling about how much women either don't like men or how they feel.
	This is a perception, how they feel.
	They are unsafe around men.
	The reason I finished it.
	The reason I think this, I just want to give you my perspective real quick, and then I'll turn it back over, right?
	I think that people could put themselves, especially women, in much greater danger by only appealing to their emotion instead of refusing to appeal to logic, rationality, but rather just appealing to emotion.
	I think that that's a way that people put themselves in much higher categories of danger.
	So when I take, when I'm assessing this, I think, well, maybe you're also doing something which is horrible for you and you don't even realize that you're doing something which is horrible for you.
	You know what I mean?
	How can I make those assessments as to whether or not you're even doing what's in your own best interest if I can't rationally analyze it?
	If I have to just go off of your emotions, you had something.
	I was just going to say, logically, are you scared of something that's bigger than you, that's stronger than you?
	Us as women, we are weaker to men, so I think it is a little bit of a survival instinct just to be on the lookout.
	I mean, if we're talking about rationality and logic, a bear question.
	No, no, I'm not saying that men, that all men are bad and will hurt you.
	I think most men will be aware of that.
	I'm not saying that either, but you asked me to ask you to ask.
	You're stronger than me.
	Yeah, but the question that you asked is, isn't it logical to be afraid of things which are bigger and stronger than you?
	Well, then, by that logic, men should be afraid of many other men, right?
	Right.
	So, like, if you're in a fight, for example, and the guy is way bigger than you, aren't you going to be a little bit more nervous to fight him, for example?
	Yeah, so that would be rational.
	So, in this particular case, then, what's bigger, a man or a bear?
	Are we still on this?
	I thought we were just talking about men.
	Can we talk about that?
	Yeah, no, but I'm following your logic.
	How can we talk about who attacks more women?
	Because if the logic is if something is bigger and stronger, you should be more afraid of it.
	And I agree with you that that's true, then we would immediately default to the bear being way bigger and stronger than a man, so we should be way more afraid of it, right?
	Absolutely, but I'm just saying if you're talking about logical and why women are afraid of men, well, it's because you guys are bigger.
	It's because you guys are faster.
	Some might even say that you guys are smarter because we act on emotions more.
	So, of course, we're going to be a little afraid, right?
	So, like, let's just grant, let's just grant that, fine, a bunch of women, you're scared of men, men are scary.
	Let's grant it.
	Even if that were the case, it's still the suboptimal choice, just logically, that it would be a bear to pick a bear.
	It's still.
	Absolutely, I agree.
	Okay, I don't even know what you're arguing about then.
	No, but you guys were saying logic.
	Let me bring it back to this.
	I was asking, would you rather be in a room with a man or a bear?
	And I was waiting for your answer.
	You didn't really give one.
	Can we move on?
	Like, for argument's sake, a man.
	I'll stick with my bear from the beginning.
	Still would rather be in a room?
	With a bear.
	Okay.
	It's equal chances.
	Man.
	It's equal chance for what?
	Well.
	To be attacked?
	50-50, they're going to be either crazy or they're going to be fine.
	It's either you're going to be afraid.
	So wait, 50% of men would attack you in that situation.
	Not 50%, but like, this is a random stranger.
	Random stranger.
	They're either going to be, let's say, normal saying you're not attacked me, or they will.
	So it's a coin toss when it comes to men.
	And to the bear as well.
	Either the bear will be fine and just be like sitting.
	But in order for that to be true, you have to say that 50% of men would attack you.
	Well, you never know.
	It's a coin toss every time.
	No, but.
	It's a stranger.
	It's stranger danger.
	Like, that could be any person that's hoping.
	50% of men would not.
	I mean, maybe that's your position.
	Yeah.
	50% of men would attack you.
	A stranger.
	Even if it's like the whole male population, I don't know the whole male population.
	50-50, I don't know what's going to happen.
	Well, are you more likely to be assaulted by a stranger or by a member of your family statistically?
	Or by somebody you know?
	Somebody you know.
	I don't know the statistics, to be honest.
	Not only by somebody you know, it's overwhelmingly somebody you know.
	It's almost every case is somebody you know.
	It's very rare for strangers to actually assault people that they don't know.
	It's actually very rare.
	I'm just letting you know that so that you know.
	A room.
	Man or bear?
	Man.
	Man.
	Still bear.
	Just because, okay, just because I don't like people.
	If I'm going to get killed by the bear, that's okay.
	Versus surviving with a man?
	Yeah.
	You'd rather be killed by a bear than surv live With like you're not stuck in the room.
	Let's say you're in the room for 30 minutes, an hour with no, that's not, I just don't like it.
	It could be a woman.
	It could be a woman in the what?
	You'd rather, you'd rather be in a room with a bear than a woman for 30 minutes.
	Yeah.
	Are you trolling?
	No.
	There's no way this is.
	Do you have a death wish?
	No.
	What?
	Well, clearly you do.
	If you'd rather, if you would, if you were actually, let's assume this was a situation you were actually faced with.
	Say it was a, I don't know, fucking TV show or some shit.
	Man or bear.
	Okay, you have two doors.
	One leads you to a room with the bear, one leads you to a room with a woman.
	You're picking the bear?
	Yeah.
	Are you like thinking of harming your, like, self-harming?
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	Do you have thoughts of like.
	No.
	I mean, I work with large animals, so it's not, like, different.
	Okay.
	I'm around them all the time.
	Would you rather be in a room with a woman who you know for like fact is like a total pacifist or like a bear who you know is gonna kill you?
	Which room do you pick?
	Well, obviously, if I know it's gonna kill me, I'd pick the woman.
	But it's not guaranteed that the bear is gonna let's say it's a 50% chance that the bear attacks you.
	I can't believe what I'm fucking hearing.
	I'm sorry.
	This is like actually.
	Okay, I should just let you answer, but which one do you pick?
	Bear.
	Even a woman.
	I mean, I can't believe my ears.
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	I'm going to read this.
	The derangement required to think random men want to hurt you is delusional and literally stupid.
	Please, Frank, castle the entire panel and start over.
	Thank you, Goodwill.
	You know what else is deranged, though?
	And what takes a lot of derangement?
	To spend $200 just to say that.
	I don't think you want to invoke his wrath.
	I do.
	I really do.
	This is the same person.
	Okay.
	We have a chat here from Soulfist.
	Can we have you read this one?
	Oh, God.
	I mean, where is it?
	Go ahead.
	There it is.
	It's so sad to see these women think that a man's first instinct would be to attack them.
	If a man is trapped in the woods, then he's trying to survive just like you.
	He's not worried about hurting you.
	All right.
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	So, okay.
	Oh, no.
	Look, the whole thing, the whole bear versus man thing, I just think it's like it's basically just like anti-male fear-mongering.
	But, okay, one other, just a few.
	Can I say something really quick, though?
	Go ahead.
	Like, you know what makes it so much like funnier, though?
	It's the fact that, like, at first, women were just like, oh, I picked the bear.
	But then it was like, the men that were like, she picked a bear over me?
	She picked a, she'd rather be in.
	No.
	And then they start talking about how they want to get really violent with these women who are picking the bear.
	And it's like proving the point.
	This is one of the worst coping straw men that I've ever heard.
	What men are out there saying how much they want to be violent with women who pick the bear?
	It's all over Twitter, all over Twitter.
	Can you show me a single tweet of men being threatening towards women because they would pick the bear, a single one?
	How are you going to ask me to show you something when you guys took my phone?
	Yeah, okay.
	What's your I can go to your Twitter.
	What is your Twitter handle?
	I'll take a look right now.
	There's actually men there who are saying that they're going to be violent with you.
	I didn't retweet this, but you can go on my Twitter if you'd like, whichever way, but it's all over my timeline, yeah.
	And men are saying on your timeline that they want to hurt you because you picked the bear.
	Not me.
	Like, they're responding to a woman online who are saying they pick the bear, saying, like, oh my God, like, see, this is why we fucking hate you.
	Like.
	That's not saying that they want to hurt them.
	No, they are saying that's not saying that they want to hurt them because they picked the bear.
	Fact check me.
	Fact check me.
	Do you think it's wrong for men to be upset by women's answers that they'd rather be in the woods with a bear than with a man?
	It's wrong to be upset, but like if you're going to get upset and then.
	Why do you think men are upset by it?
	Why do you think?
	I feel like the men that are upset are the ones that like place themselves in that shoe of like, I wouldn't do that.
	But I feel like the man who knows that he wouldn't do that wouldn't even get upset.
	Like they wouldn't care about this whole issue.
	Like you don't see a high-value talking about this discourse, really.
	Okay, let me ask you a question.
	So, if a woman...
	You know, you don't see millionaires talking about this discourse?
	You don't see men who are high-level elite athletes who talk about this.
	You don't see, for instance, bodybuilders who have sent out tweets about this because that's all over Twitter.
	Would you like me to give you some examples?
	Of men entertaining this whole discourse with more than a laugh?
	Yeah, I love it.
	Yeah, with more than a laugh, where they say, hey, this seems like it's mass delusion.
	What do they say?
	So that's what they're starting to do.
	Hang on.
	I'm trying to answer your question.
	Calm down.
	What they're trying to point to is that there's a mass delusion which is going on and that women have become so far removed from nature, the natural order of things, that they believe that due to the pampering that they have in modernity, that they would actually make this choice.
	But when presented with that actual choice, we don't actually believe that they would.
	We think that they're basically full of shit.
	That's what, basically what the argument's really about is whether or not women in modernity are being delusional or not.
	So wouldn't you as a man like question what causes that instead of getting mad at the woman?
	No, please, speak into the mic.
	Wouldn't you question that?
	Yeah, that's what I've been doing.
	Yeah.
	Questioning that.
	So where did that lead you to?
	Were you not able to?
	Well, what it led me to is that the answers that I get are completely irrational.
	So I would have to assume that this is a- Do you need help?
	Because I can help you with some statistics.
	Hang on, I'm trying to answer your question.
	I just let you speak.
	I don't know why you won't return the favor.
	But anyway, when you ask me the question of what did I find out, well, I'm diving into it with you right now, and the answers have been totally irrational.
	So I have to assume that you're living under some kind of delusion here.
	Okay, do you want me to help you out with some simple math?
	And you can fact-check me again, like I said.
	Okay.
	So if you search up the amount of bear attacks, and we're going to talk just about the U.S. right now.
	If you search up the amount of bear attacks in the U.S., it's not that many.
	You search up the amount of SA attacks.
	Wow.
	And again, you're going to say, oh my God, it's because there's so many more men than bears.
	Just do the simple conversion.
	I don't have to.
	I haven't.
	Actually, I did, just so you know.
	So let me give you some counterfacts.
	Okay.
	Do you know what per capita means?
	Yeah, I do.
	Okay, so do you think that people who are around bears for they frequently are around bears for long periods of time, whether they train them, work with them, they're in circuses with them, do you think that their attacks by bears are less than that of women who perhaps are around men all the time in the workplace and things like this?
	Well, you're working with a bear at a circus.
	Yeah, I would think there's a high chance of you getting attacked.
	So then what we have discovered by your logic now and by kind of diving into this a little bit more is that the reason that there's such an infrequency of bear attacks on people is because people aren't usually around bears.
	But the people who are around bears tend to get attacked by bears a lot more than women who are around men tend to get attacked by men.
	So what you're saying here actually makes no sense either, does it?
	Yeah, but again, in this situation, are we in a circus with a bear or are we in the woods with a bear?
	You're not around.
	We're in the woods with a bear.
	So then if it's bear attacks in the woods.
	Yeah, so that's even better.
	So if you're in the woods with a bear and you know that per capita, if you're around a bear, you're far more likely to get attacked by the bear than if you're around a man, then wouldn't it be rational to choose the man?
	No, but that's where you're wrong.
	That's where you're way more likely to be attacked by the man.
	You're not way more likely to be attacked by the man.
	If you break it down per capita, those who spend time with bears get attacked by bears a lot more than those who spend time around men.
	No, we're talking about the hike again, remember?
	So where's the stats for you?
	The conditions are you're trapped in the woods with a bear.
	So you're around the bear.
	You're in the bear's territory.
	You're around it.
	You will cross.
	You would be if you're in a circus, just like you would be in these situations.
	That's the bear.
	That seems highly irrational.
	The idea of training a bear at a circus, you cannot compare those two stats.
	You can't compare stats like that.
	I can't.
	Listen, here's the comparison.
	The comparison is to say that there's lots and lots and lots of women who are around lots and lots and lots of men.
	You agree that that's true, right?
	Yes.
	Because of those conditions, because they're around them so much, the chances become significantly increased that there could be an attack on a woman by a man.
	However, the infrequency of the amount of times that people engage with bears is very low.
	So of course, bears and their attacks are going to be far lower than that of men on women.
	However, if you take it per capita and you look at how many people are around bears in some type of capacity, you find out, oops, you are very likely to get attacked by a bear in some significant way if you're around them, just like if you're around men.
	That's why that exists that way.
	Yeah, but your point is so irrelevant when you're considering the fact that your examples are you being in an unnatural situation with a bear, you at a circus, training a bear, having a bear as a pet, whatever it is that your example is, is not the same thing as it doesn't, hold on, it doesn't even have to be, it doesn't even have to be this circus scenario.
	When he's saying per capita, it can also be viewed as per encounter.
	So if you actually make a comparison of human encounters with bears, and you make a comparison to women who are assaulted.
	Right.
	So the amount of times that human beings would be assaulted by these strange animals they come in contact with, which they rarely come into contact with, would be far higher than the amount of men that they come in contact with, which is a daily occurrence all the time non-stop.
	That is very false because again, who reports seeing a bear if they don't get attacked by the bear?
	So who's to say?
	What?
	He's saying the stats of just encountering a bear, you get attacked, right?
	Who's going to?
	I'm sorry, when you're talking about SA statistics, don't most SAs go unreported?
	Yeah, so the SA statistics.
	Okay, well then, how do you know by that logic that they've actually been SA'd?
	Okay, but no, you're actually helping my point because in that case, the SA statistics is even higher than we know.
	So thank you for that.
	Yeah, I know, but if it is higher than we even know, and you're saying that most of them go unreported, then how can we actually know that they were ever essayed by the same logic of bear attacks by how many people see bears, but it goes unreported?
	It's the same logic.
	You believe the one stat, but won't believe the other.
	Because of the, I'm saying when people see a bear and they aren't attacked, they're not going to report that.
	That's my case.
	Yeah, but I'm saying that women who have not been SA, that would be the same logic in reverse, though, and you believe it, right?
	But then you're telling me that there's a stat of when people encountered the bear versus when they got attacked, and I'm saying that doesn't really count because of the fact that they're not reporting all the, like, the encounters of bears when they're not attacked.
	Do you get my point?
	Let us, well, I don't, but let us just grant it for a second, just for the sake of argument.
	It still wouldn't matter if you're around men all the time, and I assume you are in some capacity, right?
	You're around men all the time in some capacity.
	Is that true or false?
	Yeah, it's true.
	Okay.
	And most of those men, almost none of those men, try to assault you, right?
	Maybe some do, but most, the overwhelming majority, probably do not, right?
	Yeah, so if that's the case, then we can apply this to the more time that you spend with random men, the more likely it is that you're going to get assaulted.
	We would have to do the same thing with bears.
	The more time you spend around random bears, the more chance you get assaulted.
	Which one do you think will assault you quicker?
	The random bears you spend more time with or the men?
	That's the question.
	The bear.
	The bear, exactly.
	So it's actually irrational for you to say that you would rather be stuck in a forest with a bear.
	Again?
	You know what's so rational?
	The fact that there's been how many women who have gone and gave you how much time explaining all this and you still didn't get the point.
	What's the point?
	I'm not going to go ahead and spend all this time.
	Well, I just want to let you know he tried to move it on, but you brought it back to this.
	That's why we're in this engagement again.
	You actually said, can I speak to this again?
	And that's why we're back to it again.
	We were still on the bear.
	I just went back to my point.
	We never left the bear situation.
	Right, and then I responded to your point, but you brought it back to the back.
	We never left the bear situation.
	So I just continued.
	But he's responding to you.
	Yeah.
	And was I supposed to stop responding and just sit back?
	Well, no, no.
	He said, I would like to move the conversation on.
	And you were like, but wait, can I just make one more point?
	Which is fine.
	But then if you bring it back to this, of course, we're going to argue about it again.
	Yeah.
	Valid.
	Right?
	What was that?
	I was just going to say, I think the topic has been discussed, agnauseum, and it's over now.
	It's been over.
	So next topic.
	Well, hold on.
	Hold on.
	I'm the host.
	If I want to talk about this all fucking night, I will.
	But two last quick questions on this, and we will move on.
	I do find it interesting that a lot of women pick the bear, but I mean, how many of these same women who pick the bear will gladly like go over to a strange man's house who she matched with on Tinder, go back to his house after drinking and partying?
	You guys probably all know girls that meet a guy at some fucking frat party, fuck him that night, all alone, absolutely no issues there.
	So it's interesting, though, when we put you in this venue that's a bit, you know, in the woods versus some dingy frat house, things like change up real quick.
	No, I would say that's concerning either way.
	Sure.
	So I don't sure.
	I mean, I would argue probably like, let's be honest, most, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but probably you guys have at least had one maybe casual sexual encounter with a man.
	The main, which I think is like the sad point of this whole like debate, is how, like there is like this, like social fear that's I feel like you know how do I say like the words in like English, like like growing up as a girl, like we hear that a lot like be aware, you've been programmed yeah, you've been.
	So I think that is, I think, the biggest part of this debate.
	How it's like that sad thing, how like We have been programmed this way by so many scenarios and just things and hearsay and this and that or like you know a bunch of things, and At the end of the day, there is just like just fear, irrational or not, because we've been in scenarios that may be similar, but it's just like a sad thing.
	And I mean to address your thing about like why are all these men so kind of upset about this isn't it the case that women frequently get upset about sexist statements towards women?
	Yes.
	Would it do you would you at least agree that saying that you would rather be alone with a bear as compared to a man is a sexist statement?
	Yeah.
	No, because it's more just so it's more just so saying who wants to be with what.
	Like I'm saying I personally rather choose the bear.
	I'm not saying that every woman should choose the bear.
	So it's not a sexist statement saying I would choose the bear.
	Well even on the individual even on the micro level you saying you would rather be with an animal who does have tendencies to be violent.
	This isn't like a totally benign animal.
	Bears are larger than men.
	They can be very violent.
	It's not a benign animal.
	So you don't think it's sexist to say that?
	I stand by myself.
	So would it you don't think it would be sexist for me to say I'd rather be with a bear than with a woman?
	If you have your reasons for that, I wouldn't take offense either way.
	But would it be sexist for me to say, for example, let's say this is a woman who she's a gold digger.
	It's not a perfect one-to-one comparison, but I'm making a almost presuppositional judgment about her.
	Oh, she's a gold digger.
	You're asking me.
	This is totally not even.
	Yeah.
	No.
	It's not sexist to presuppose women are gold diggers.
	Oh, you're saying if you say every woman's a gold digger?
	Isn't that what you're saying about men?
	No, I didn't say every man would attack me.
	I was just seems like you say the majority of men would.
	No, I never said that.
	Didn't you say like 50% or something?
	No, I didn't.
	What was your percentage?
	My percentage was actually seven.
	Was it?
	Yes.
	I recall it was five to seven.
	You can factor it out.
	Okay.
	At one point you said a lot.
	I think you said a lot.
	30%.
	That was questionable that I said.
	That would make me uncomfortable.
	Well, I'm going to ask you going around the table.
	I mean, do you guys think it's sexist?
	Ginger donated $200.
	Yes, there's a point about the man versus bear situation.
	I'm one of those women that is a part of the statistic that's trying to be made.
	But at the end of the day, I'm choosing man.
	I would rather survive.
	Which is totally rational, by the way.
	Thank you, Ginger.
	I mean, I think the other component of this is if you pick a man, the outcome can be, it can be good.
	In other words, he could help you in some way.
	It could be neutral.
	He goes along his way, doesn't want to help you in the woods or whatever.
	Or it could be a negative experience.
	Whereas with the bear, it's going to be a neutral experience.
	They just leave you alone.
	Or it's going to be a negative experience.
	It attacks you, harms you, kills you.
	So that's another angle to look at this from.
	Final question.
	Oh, no, there's the other one, too.
	You forgot.
	It's possible that you land out there and you're pregnant and you have the child and the bear raises your child.
	What could happen, technically, right?
	Okay.
	You could be some Disney shit going down.
	That's Mowgli right there.
	Could.
	Could some Winnie the Pooh shit.
	Last thing.
	If you could, given that I guess bears are not as dangerous as men, do you think you would be more safe or less safe if you just replaced all men with bears?
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	Less safe, I guess.
	I don't know.
	I feel like that's like snap your finger.
	All the men just transform into bears.
	And it's a random, it's the proportional distribution.
	So there's some black bears, some grizzlies, other types of polar bears.
	Polar bears, those are bad.
	Oh, yeah.
	So you could be up in the club dancing and shit.
	Boom, all bears.
	I would be terrified.
	At Trader Joe's, getting some fucking.
	I would say.
	Wait, sorry.
	I totally forgot the question.
	Say that again.
	Would you be more safe or less safe if the scenario was you replace, you just instantly replace all men with bears?
	I would feel less safe.
	Simply.
	Like, it's like all men are gone and it's literally just wild bears.
	Yeah.
	So a bear just takes all men's place.
	So wherever the men are.
	So whether you could be driving.
	It's like you're a bear.
	Right now I'm a bear.
	I'm a bear.
	Oh my god, Nick's a bear.
	Like, and you're asking me, would the world be less safe?
	Would I suppose would you?
	Would I be would you be more safe or less safe if all men just instantly transformed into a bear?
	In a primitive sense, we would be less safe.
	Okay.
	Jess Gerald donated $200 of all the bears ciphered within 20 feet of me alone in the backcountry of Alaska.
	I wish they had all been men.
	Yeah.
	I've never encountered a bear, but I'd probably prefer them to be men.
	Thank you.
	It's not usually a fun experience.
	So wait, you were saying, can you just restate your answer really quick?
	On the.
	I said in a primitive sense, we would be less safe.
	Okay.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200.
	Men are defenders of women.
	It is sad you lot have had never met one.
	Feminism has failed you.
	The patriarchy values and protects women and stands ready to help you return to sanity.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Grid One, for that.
	Appreciate it.
	Okay.
	So you said you would be less safe if it was all bears.
	Yes.
	But you seem a little like there's another side of the answer to that.
	I just think it's like, like, I'm not going to get into it.
	Like, yes.
	Logically, we would be less safe.
	Okay.
	I would just say I'll go with the men instead of bear everywhere.
	I feel like.
	Yeah.
	What?
	I would pick the man over the bear every time.
	Okay.
	We'd be less safe?
	If it was all bears.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	I mean, a stupid question, but yeah, we'd all be in danger.
	Less safe.
	Yeah, less safe.
	Oh, what?
	Surprising from you.
	You wanted to be in a room alone with a bear.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	So, okay, moving on to a different topic.
	Kind of.
	Can I ask just a very quick follow-up, if you don't mind?
	Go ahead.
	I was just wondering on this: how many of you here, just by a quick raise of hands, have seen the movie Bambi?
	Bambi?
	Yeah.
	The deer?
	Yeah, how many people on the panel have seen the movie Bambi?
	Sure.
	Or any Disney movie where animals are represented as talking and, you know, they chapter people.
	To shred fights.
	Yeah.
	Would it be most of you?
	There's something called anthropomorphicizing or anthropomorphizing animals, where basically you give them human-like traits.
	And what happened, there was this interesting phenomenon which happened back when Bambi came out.
	Tons and tons of feminists came out against deer hunting.
	They went crazy about it because, you know, there's a scene where the mom gets shot and Bambi's crying and blah, Do you think that there might be some of that going on here that maybe you humanize these wild, insane animals a little bit?
	And that maybe media has added to that?
	I'm just curious.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Most likely.
	I think, like, I don't know, personally, I know I will try to attribute the best qualities in animals.
	Like, it's.
	You think you humanize them a little bit?
	Oh, definitely.
	But in this case, if you've got a dog, do you treat your dog like a human?
	Are you like.
	Yeah.
	Oh, I mean, yeah.
	I talk to my chat like that as a baby.
	Like, I don't know.
	It's also, I think, just like, of course, they will might attack you.
	They might be feral.
	They might be this.
	They might be that.
	But at the end of the day, like, it's an animal and they don't like, like, I don't know.
	We evolve differently, so we have different, like, standards for our species.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	I mean, the reason I'm curious about this is a real phenomenon, and it seems to affect females more than it does men.
	And I think the reason for that is probably a lot more men go out and deal with wild animals than women generally, right?
	I'm not saying always, but generally they do.
	Do you think maybe you're humanizing the bear a bit?
	You said definitely.
	Anybody else there think maybe you're humanizing the bear just a bit?
	I totally see your point, and I think it's totally valid because people tend to anthropomorphize things that they like and tend to dehumanize things that they would be afraid of.
	And in the sense, not that it's logical for women to be afraid of men or for women to be afraid of all men, but if that's the knee-jerk instinct in this sense, that it would make sense that maybe there's a tendency to humanize animals and dehumanize men.
	I'm not saying that's a good thing.
	And I'm sure as a man.
	Do you, for instance, you personally, do you have a dog?
	Do you humanize the dog?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Do you think maybe most women humanize a dog?
	Like, if one of you, if you were married and you couldn't afford to take the dog to a vet to have it put down because it was super sick, is the husband getting that job or are you doing that job?
	I don't want to think about that.
	I mean, honestly, who's going to do that job in that situation?
	Is it going to be you or is it going to be the hubby?
	Who's putting down Fido?
	Anyways, do you have anything else, Andrew?
	Andrew, do you have anything else?
	Yeah, but I mean, I think this is an important, pertinent point to this.
	Just to kind of wrap it up.
	Who's doing it?
	Are you going to put down Fido or is just so we can personally?
	I probably would just because I'm more involved with animals.
	Yeah, you would.
	Right.
	But I wonder if she would.
	Would you do it or would you have the hubby do it or the significant hubby?
	Who are you talking to?
	You.
	Oh, oh.
	Like, if I were to have to, like, put down my own dog versus, like, my husband or my dad or something like that.
	Yeah, would you prefer that they put it down on your own?
	Yeah, because I because I wouldn't want to kill my dog because I humanize my dog.
	And I also wouldn't want to kill a living being.
	I don't even know if it really is that aspect.
	I think it would just kind of suck.
	Okay.
	The bad news bears $200.
	National Park Statistics places homicides in the wilderness since 2007 to 2023 at 38.
	Wildlife incidents as a cause of death is 9.
	So perhaps the ladies are onto something.
	No, they're still not onto anything because of the easy contact.
	How many people go out to the wilderness, for instance, and have these encounters over and over and over again with these wild animals?
	And the ones that do are going to be the ones more prone to attack, just like the ladies here.
	All of them are much more prone to be in contact with men over and over and over and over again.
	That's why their chances of being attacked by men go up significantly.
	However, if they were around bears all day, their chance of being attacked by bears would probably be a lot higher than by strange men.
	That's the point.
	More bears you're around.
	The more wild, stranger bears that you're around, the more likely you're going to get attacked by one.
	The more wild, strange men that you're around, the more likely you'd be attacked by one.
	The question is, which one's more likely to attack you the more you're around it?
	It's going to be wild bears.
	Also, people, like, we already established that, you know, your risk of violent attack, assault, homicide, it's more likely to be from somebody who you know.
	So a couple could go camping in the woods and they would count it in this statistic.
	I don't think this homicide thing is factoring in.
	Do you know the person?
	Do you not know the person?
	This number could be even lower if it's from a total stranger.
	And even if it's total stranger versus encounters with wild animals, I would still say that these.
	But this is so simple.
	Like you guys, all of you guys can conduct a very simple experiment.
	You ready?
	Walk over to random men you don't know, reach over and pat them on the head and walk away and see what happens.
	Do the same thing with wild bears.
	Walk over and pat them on the head and walk away and see what happens.
	Which one do you think is going to be far more likely?
	Now, you might be able to pat a couple of wild bears on the head and walk away.
	You might be able to do that.
	But I can guarantee you that a lot more of those bears are going to attack you than men are.
	It's very simple.
	This is not complex in any way.
	Final thing on the bear thing, then we will move it on.
	I've got a couple other fun scenarios here.
	So does it change anything, for example, if it's a gay man or bear?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So you pick the man?
	I'd pick the gay man.
	Not even just because he'd help me, but because it's like we're in it together.
	Like we're getting out of the situation.
	Not even that, but just I feel like the hike would be a lot funner.
	Like we're chit-chatting, getting through the woods, finding our way back.
	It's a little adventure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Interesting.
	Anybody else you guys change if it's gay man?
	Does that change or change anything?
	For those of you who said bear, does it change?
	Speak now forever, hold your peace.
	You said bear, bear, bear.
	I think you said man originally.
	Bear.
	Someone.
	I don't know.
	Okay, what about what if it's a giant lesbian woman who's a professional MMA fighter?
	Does that change anything versus bear?
	I'll take her.
	You'll take the giant.
	Like, I'll go with her.
	I'll go with her.
	How about so?
	What about a gay man who is a bear or a bear?
	Do you know that category of gay man?
	Like, so there's like bears.
	Oh, yes.
	Like, they're kind of like a bit like hairy guys, basically.
	Oh, oh, oh.
	Like, he's like a big guy.
	Okay, yeah.
	Oh, no, like a big gay man.
	He's like a big, strong gay man.
	Brawny, tends to be hairy.
	Oh.
	Bearded.
	Bearded, gay man.
	Chunkier guy.
	Yeah, you know how there's like twinks?
	It's like a category of gay man.
	There's a Wikipedia article on this.
	Anyways, anything?
	Does that change it?
	I'd love to get lost in the woods with a bear.
	What about a woman who you know is a serial killer?
	Oh, fuck.
	Versus a random man.
	Yeah.
	Random man or woman who's a serial killer.
	She's like a proven serial killer.
	Like, obviously, I'm not going to.
	Yeah.
	What about a gay serial killer?
	I think on the note of gay, I would rather be in the woods with a gay man because gay men are perceived as less aggressive and they can't SA me.
	But I mean, I like, like, not that they physically can't.
	The point is that, like, I would seriously.
	I'm pretty sure they can.
	They could.
	They could.
	Pretty sure.
	I don't think they would be as motivated to, whatever.
	In my opinion, I stereotype gay men as less aggressive than straight men.
	What about like survival instincts?
	Would you rather be with the gay man than a straight man?
	Do you think he would be able to survive more?
	Like statistically, he could easily be insane, you know?
	Like, so I don't know.
	But here, let me ask you this.
	This is like a dumb logic, right?
	But I'm just curious, right?
	For me, this is dumb logic, but I just want to know, wouldn't it also count against you?
	Because if you're saying a gay man has no sexual interest in you, then all he has to do is run faster than you and leave you for the bear, right?
	He doesn't really value you for anything.
	And wouldn't the straight man value you?
	Like he's like, oh, I can't let this bear running.
	It's not about sexual interest.
	Wait.
	So the straight man would like sacrifice his life, like do this heroic thing.
	Oh, maybe.
	So if you pick the gay man, he's like, I'm out of here.
	He's like, oh, my God, I'm like, I'm not going to be able to do that.
	He doesn't have to run fast.
	He just has to run faster than you, right?
	And he wouldn't give you any visibility.
	So he doesn't value you like the straight man would, right?
	By your logic.
	So like, I mean, wouldn't that actually kind of be the bad choice?
	Like, maybe, like, I don't know.
	I'm not thinking about it.
	It depends on if it was like in the matter of him protecting me because like, sure, there's a stereotype that straight men would be stronger than a gay man.
	And that I'd be like, sure, maybe you're going to protect me.
	I don't think it's about the sexual interest.
	No, I understand, but I'm thinking of it differently as a value structure, right?
	So the perceived threat that you would have from a straight man is that the straight man's going to have some kind of sexual interest in you and the homosexual man is not going to because he's a homosexual man, right?
	That's why he's a safer bet.
	That's why you were saying he's safer because he doesn't have any kind of like sexual interest towards you, essentially.
	That and that I like perceive them as less aggressive.
	Right.
	Because they don't have to.
	On the basis of their sexuality.
	I don't know.
	I actually haven't thought about it that deeply.
	Yeah, but probably.
	Probably it's because of that particular interest why you would see them as being less threatening.
	But if that's true, then wouldn't that actually mean that they valued you less?
	I guess I'm just wondering, you know what I mean?
	Because as sexuality value you less, then they could make you bear food so that they can get the hell out of there.
	Yeah, because he was an asshole if he could.
	Anyways, okay, just a couple more things here, then I'll move on.
	So since we were bringing up the comparison of gay man versus lesbian woman, I did actually want to point out a statistics when it came to domestic violence.
	So actually what you find interesting is that in lesbian couples, if we're comparing lesbian to, what is it, lesbian to gay men to heterosexual lesbians to heterosexuals to gay men, the incidence rates of domestic violence are the highest among lesbian couples.
	And then you have heterosexual couples, and then it's actually lowest, interestingly enough, between gay men.
	So it's interesting, when you put two men in a relationship, you would think, well, oh, the DV rates would be high.
	But actually, when you put two women in a relationship, that's when you see the highest incidence rate of domestic violence.
	And then between that, you have heterosexual relationships.
	And then the lowest rate of DV is in gay, two-men relationships.
	Where did you get those stats?
	I've never heard of that.
	You can look it up on Wikipedia.
	It's been well studied.
	These are from the FBI statistics, actually.
	You can find them direct from the FBI.
	They source all of these.
	There's actually in-depth studies which go into it even beyond the FBI statistics, but definitely the highest rates of domestics, as Brian's pointing out, are conducted by same-sex female couples, for sure.
	That's not, I mean, many times higher, in fact, interestingly enough.
	Yeah, and then I'm trying to think what the, oh, does it change anything if the bear is misogynistic?
	What?
	If the bear's a misogynist.
	The bear can think like a human.
	Yeah, if the bear's like a woman-hating misogynist.
	Jeez.
	Okay, it's a joke one.
	And then I think the last one, does it change if you're menstruating?
	Because can't bears like detect smelling.
	Oh, like they would like to smell blood and all that.
	Oh, yeah, I'm going to be more likely to attack.
	They're not carnivores, though.
	Bears?
	Bears?
	Bears will, I think, I thought they were omnivores.
	Yeah, they are.
	They're omnivores.
	They eat.
	They eat plenty.
	Well, isn't there something?
	Especially fish.
	They really like fish and they like, I mean, but they'll eat carrion.
	They'll eat dead animals.
	They basically eat whatever they can get their hands on.
	But isn't there something where like if a woman's menstruating, it could potentially be more dangerous for her to be in the vicinity?
	Like potentiality with all white sharks.
	I've heard this.
	The links to that can't be ethically studied very well, as you might know.
	They can't really be ethically studied very well.
	You can't be like, well, true.
	Okay, so you started last week.
	We've got this wild bear.
	We hope for the best, right?
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Jumping off of grid one's.
	You can ask about the ovulation, though.
	Would it be different if you were ovulated?
	What?
	Oh.
	Anyways.
	No.
	She's thinking it's just like, I don't know.
	Like, not to the bear.
	I don't think the bear could tell you're ovulating, but sometimes there's studies that show that men know when women are ovulating and women behave differently around men when they're ovulating.
	Right, okay.
	Right.
	That's the key to the question.
	All right.
	So actually, this was related to one of Grid One's chats.
	And it's perhaps a bit of a segue from the bear thing here.
	Just going around the table, just so we get a good sense of this.
	Do you consider yourself feminist?
	Starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, my God.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	She's gone.
	Anti-feminist.
	Anti-feminist.
	I am also anti-feminist.
	Anti-feminist.
	Andrew, what about you?
	I'm a staunch patriarchist and against feminism in all of its forms.
	All right.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	There you go.
	Okay.
	So, you know what?
	We'll come back to that conversation later.
	I do want to ask one or two dating related things here.
	So I'm going to get into my pre-show notes.
	So, sorry, remind me how do you pronounce your name?
	It's Ya L. Ya L. Ya.
	Ya, Yasqueen, L. Imagine like an apostrophe, like YA.
	Ya.
	L.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	In your pre-show notes, you said that you're not into hookup culture.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Have you ever had an experience with it where you're like, I think that's how a lot of people, they like get into a situationship or they encounter like a fuckboy.
	So they delved a little bit into the hookup culture, but they're like, this is fucked up.
	I don't like it.
	So was that your experience?
	No, I've just never wanted to.
	I feel like it doesn't seem to be beneficial.
	And you said that participating in hookup culture is gross/slash embarrassing to me.
	To me, both for women and men.
	Does anybody here disagree with that?
	Anybody here fine disagree with her saying that hookup culture, I don't think you're wrong, by the way.
	Hookup culture is gross and embarrassing.
	Any takers on that?
	Any bites?
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Going three times.
	Okay.
	Killa of Serial said, let me pull that back up.
	Pick one.
	So, okay, guy number one, 6'1, makes 180k a year, fit, 8-inch PP, has a negative world outlook and bad attitude in general.
	Or 5'2 ⁇ , 30k a year, chubby, 4-inch PP, but has a positive outlook and loses confidence and swagger.
	And why?
	So guy number one, guy number two.
	Which do you pick?
	Starting with you.
	Yikes, neither.
	That's you gotta pick one.
	You gotta pick one.
	That's horrendous.
	You gotta pick one.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	I feel like.
	I feel like I couldn't.
	That's very terrible.
	You gotta pick one.
	I know.
	You gotta pick a woman.
	You gotta pick one.
	You gotta be a woman.
	I want that.
	You'd go become a lesbian?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's my answer.
	But you gotta pick one, though.
	No, I'm kidding.
	One.
	Okay, that's fine.
	I want to ask the person that asked this question: are you the number two guy?
	Because it kind of sounds like you're trying to get in this whole argument of like personality and whatever versus looks.
	Why would that entail that that would describe him because he was curious about your outlook?
	That sounds like you're projecting.
	You're right, you're right.
	Maybe I'm projecting.
	Here, let's just answer the question if we can.
	Like number two, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Is this just like, are we like just picking them for like ever like I'm marrying this person?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	This is like for life's guy.
	I'll go with one.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	I'd pick number two.
	All right.
	What about you?
	I'd pick one and like check the fuck out of him.
	All right.
	So it was number one had a bigger pee-pee, more money, and then number two had a nice personality.
	Is that what it is?
	Essentially.
	Number one.
	All right.
	Whichever one would want to marry me?
	Let's say both of them want to marry you.
	Probably the first so my children would be taller and we'd be more secure financially.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	Probably number one.
	It's really hard for me to date people that are shorter than me.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Killa of Cereal.
	Oh, you know what?
	We'll do here.
	We'll do a fun segment.
	Nick, we'll do the bumble segment.
	So what we're going to do is we're going to pull up bumble.
	You each get 20 swipes.
	Okay.
	It's just a yes or no.
	We just show you the first picture.
	Did we do age ranges, Nick?
	Yeah, I have them.
	You pre-have them?
	Why don't you read them out and I'll just.
	The majority of the titles.
	Yeah, so I can tell this.
	Okay.
	So this is her Yael.
	Did I say right?
	Okay, this is.
	She's.
	Oh, put it big?
	Yeah.
	So just yes or no?
	Sure.
	Oh, how was it?
	Wait.
	We just pass on everybody.
	Just your answer is, yeah, don't worry about that.
	No, no, no, I don't know which one it is.
	No.
	Really?
	That's scary.
	No.
	What the?
	What is that?
	The fish?
	It looked like no.
	No, no, no, I like the dog, but no.
	No.
	No.
	These are all terrible pictures.
	No.
	A little closer to the mic if you can.
	Sorry.
	No. No. No. No.
	That's funny.
	All right.
	There you go.
	Give her five more.
	Let's see.
	No, no, no, no.
	Damn, you're picky.
	No to all of them.
	Wait, what about this guy?
	No.
	No?
	No.
	Is it the gun?
	Wait, actually, really quick.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Okay, so we'll do you next, but you're very picky.
	Would you date a guy who legally owned a firearm?
	I don't I don't like the idea of it but like maybe Like, would it be a deal breaker?
	It's not a deal breaker, no?
	Okay.
	But you don't like it.
	I'm not like a fan, but you don't like the idea of him owning one.
	Not really.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm with that.
	I don't like the idea of it, but I don't.
	Like, it depends on the situation, but most likely not.
	I feel like it would just meet the guy.
	It would be more of a deal breaker.
	Deal breaker then.
	Kind of.
	I'm like, it would be a deal breaker.
	Okay, what about you?
	Yeah, I'd rather not.
	Unless it had to do with their job, I'd rather not.
	Okay.
	I don't really care.
	Don't care?
	I would say he would have to have a firearm to date.
	Okay.
	So I would date him.
	You would date him.
	I'm just curious, really quick.
	Those of you who said no, really quick, just why?
	Would you feel scared?
	Or are you also just against gun ownership in general?
	Did you say yes or no?
	I said sure.
	Sure, okay.
	I think it's more that, yeah.
	It's more against gun ownership.
	Okay.
	What about you?
	I'm just really scared of guns.
	Scared of guns?
	I just don't like that.
	I live in LA.
	I just don't think that there's a.
	I think maybe in a different place, a gun might make more sense.
	Isn't LA like super dangerous?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Wouldn't that be an ideal place to have own a gun?
	No.
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Even if it was, would you object to, like, let's say someone lived in like a really bad part of town?
	I don't know.
	What's a bad part of town in LA?
	Give me a couple places.
	South Central.
	Okay.
	And what's the demographic there?
	There's lots of different times of people.
	There's some like Latinos and like it's lots of different times of people.
	Black and okay.
	Would you like would you object to you know, do you object to minority ownership of firearms?
	No.
	Because if we're talking about preference for dating.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	I'm getting off track there.
	And you?
	I saw I didn't care.
	Or wait.
	I was going around again on just who said no, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, why?
	Oh, no, you said you didn't care.
	So, question for you through, just really quick, then we'll get back to the bumble thing.
	Would how do I friend this?
	Let's say you were dating a guy, had kids, married to a guy.
	Home invasion, there's three men, they're breaking into the house.
	Would you prefer that your husband or you guys could collectively attempt to defend the home in that scenario where there's three men trying to break into the house?
	It's just you, your husband, and your kids.
	Would you prefer that your husband attempt to dispatch the home intruders with his fists or with a firearm?
	Starting with you.
	With a gun?
	That doesn't mean I want him to own one, though.
	Okay, sure.
	Well, since there would be probably no guns in the house, then I would have to be the fists.
	No, but assume like he could own a gun in that scenario.
	What would you prefer in that scenario if a gun was available to him?
	Just don't.
	I just, I'm really terrified of those.
	Like, that's just like me personally.
	Like, those terrify me.
	It's like pointing at me, someone I know holding it.
	Like, I lose it.
	I get really scared.
	So you would rather be invaded and killed than have him use a gun?
	Well, we're going to be invaded either way, so at this point.
	So you'd rather he not protect himself and you because you don't like guns?
	Sadly, that would have happened because I don't like guns.
	So in the scenario, that would unfortunately happen.
	So you would rather die than him use a gun and kill than traitor, is what you're saying.
	Sure.
	Can I ask why you don't like guns?
	What?
	For the same reason that she would stay in the forest with a bear and hide from a guy who is out in the wilderness who could assist her with escaping from the bear because she has what's called an irrational fear.
	Interestingly enough, do you mind if I ask you just a quick question?
	The Washington Examiner, I caught an article the other day.
	They were, of course, using Pew Research for this.
	One of the things they were talking about is why people are anti-immigrant.
	And they said one of the reasons that they are is because of ignorance.
	It's because of ignorance of other cultures and things like this.
	And the more that they're exposed to immigrants, the less they are adverse to immigrants because they're no longer ignorant of these immigrants.
	Do you think that the same thing could be happening here with you and firearms?
	Maybe.
	I think personally, I never, like where I grew up, like this was never a topic.
	And like, I think it became a topic recently nationally in my country, but growing up, like that was never a thing.
	Like, I'm just not used to that being even into the conversation.
	Like, I would never think that anybody I would meet would like own a gun, you know?
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, but do you believe that the reason that people are xenophobic is because they have just haven't been exposed to enough immigrants and that if they were exposed to more immigrants, they would become less xenophobic as this data would elude?
	I don't know.
	I think that's honestly for me, that's like just a tough question.
	I don't know if it's exposure.
	I don't know if you necessarily, like, when you say exposure, do you mean like meeting people or do you mean just engaging with them, talking with them, working with them, things like that, right?
	I think it's when you're like meeting a person, you can see he's just like another person.
	Depending on, you know, like you're engaging with people from different cultural backgrounds and anything.
	And how many guns have you held in your hand?
	Me?
	Yeah.
	Oh, none.
	Jesus, no.
	None.
	And how many times have you been around guns?
	It's been a few.
	I've met people that like parents have owned them.
	So like in the house, it's been like, oh, like, look, that's like my dad's.
	And I was like, ugh.
	Like, it's just like fear.
	Literally.
	So if we were to track the reasoning then that there would be less xenophobia via exposure to more immigrants, then would not this also track that perhaps you would be less anti-gun with exposure to firearms?
	I mean, maybe.
	I think like I could change that mindset.
	Like at the moment, though, I am terrified.
	Like, it could be the most irrational of my fears, but it's definitely like a fear.
	And I know, like, in the.
	But you would never tolerate xenophobia as being a rational fear if you were to find out that there was data that says you would be less xenophobic if you expose yourself to more immigrants.
	Wouldn't your advice to those people be to expose yourself to more immigrants so you were less xenophobic?
	Not really.
	I think you can research more on cultures instead of just like being physically like exposed and like in a one-to-one face-to-face kind of scene.
	So, like learning, researching, reading, anything.
	So, you would tell people to read books about immigrants?
	I mean, not just about immigrants, but it's just people.
	Like, people migrate people move all over.
	That's how it would happen.
	Yeah, what the data suggested was that the more people are exposed to immigrants, the less xenophobic they were.
	That's what the data said, at least in this particular case.
	And that stands to reason from your worldview, right?
	That that would be the case.
	But wouldn't you recommend that people expose themselves to other cultures to be less xenophobic?
	Wouldn't you recommend that they do so if they were xenophobes?
	Yeah, if that helps them not be like that, I think that's a great solution.
	Yeah, so then my recommendation to you is to expose yourself to more firearms so that you're not, you don't have this kind of irrational fear, right?
	Maybe one day.
	Your answer?
	I forgot the question.
	I think it was: oh, in the scenario where there's three home intruders, you got kids, husband, you're in the home, would you prefer that your you, your husband, try to dispatch the intruders just with the self-defense of your hands or a firearm in that situation?
	I mean, in my situation, there wouldn't be a firearm in the house, so we would probably be hiding and running and praying.
	Okay, let me reframe the question: which comparing a situation where you don't have a firearm versus you do have a firearm, which scenario would you be more likely and more able to defend survive?
	Oh, yeah, a firearm would help you survive.
	So, you would, would you, if that's the case, would you then prefer to be in that scenario with a firearm if a firearm was available?
	I mean, I don't not necessarily.
	Not necessarily, to be honest.
	Okay, so you based on my worldview, not necessarily.
	What's your worldview on this?
	I mean, I believe in life after death, and I believe in, like, I don't think that I mean, truly, like, I do.
	So, but I mean, that's fine that you believe in life after death, but I assume you don't want to just expire today.
	No, I don't, but I also wouldn't like to recommend my husband to go shooting down the intruder.
	I wouldn't.
	I would be hiding in the bathroom and praying with him and my kids.
	Praying.
	Yeah, I would.
	Do you think, I mean, Andrew might be more apt to you would rather pray than have a firearm to dispatch the home intruders?
	Yeah.
	So, you guys wouldn't.
	So, I mean, you guys wouldn't try any other way.
	Like, even if, like, you knew we don't have a firearm, you and your husband wouldn't go down there and try to fight them off, like, with knives or something?
	I mean, it's a hypothetical situation, so it's hard to know, like, with the adrenaline and the spur of the moment what would happen.
	But that's what I would do.
	I would hide.
	Yeah, I would hide.
	Would you, let me ask you this.
	Do you have a mom and a dad who are still together by chance?
	No.
	No, okay.
	Do you have any relationship with your dad at all?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	When you were a little girl and he was around in your life, I don't know if he is or not.
	I didn't mean to frame it that way, but when you were a little girl, you're staying with your dad.
	If a home intruder broke in, would you have the expectation that he went and hid?
	Would I have the expectation that what?
	I missed the last question.
	Would you say that your father went and hid?
	What?
	Would you expect that your father would go and hide if somebody broke in where you were?
	Or would you expect him to protect you?
	Yeah, I mean, that's a great question.
	I think my dad probably would have hid with us.
	Yeah, do you think that that's good?
	That he would hide?
	Or do you think that it would be better if he faced off with the intruder who was breaking into your space?
	I mean, I'm not here to speak for other people.
	That's just what.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	That's what I'm not asking you to.
	I'm just asking you to speak for you.
	No, no, no.
	Hold on.
	I mean, are you just like, when my worldview, I don't think that preserving life at all stakes is always the best option.
	Wait, so if given the option between your life or the home intruder's life, you would prefer the home intruders?
	I'm not going to fight somebody.
	I'm not going to.
	What about for your kids?
	Yeah, you have children.
	Yeah, well, I'll protect them and help them.
	And, you know, whether that's running away or doing whatever we can, but that's.
	But would you not be willing to kill another individual if it means saving the life of your children?
	I mean, if someone put a gun in my hand, sure, yeah, I would choose that.
	But I think that in this hypothetical situation, I don't have a gun.
	So it doesn't seem to really match up.
	Are you and your husband, like, afraid of self-defense?
	Like, if you even had a night for.
	No, no.
	And, like, you know, this is just the way that I feel.
	It's not standing for like, yeah, that's just the way that I feel.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We will get back.
	Actually, before we do that, I have Killa of Cereal.
	Can I have you read this one?
	Okay, to the ladies.
	Wait, into the mic.
	Sorry.
	To the ladies who answered one, tall, big, pee, negative attitude.
	Would you choose him if he had a carry license?
	What if the shorter, chubby guy was also afraid of guns?
	Would you feel safer with him?
	Does this change your answers, anybody?
	Yeah, I'd probably go with the other one.
	So you answered one, but you would switch to two based on the gun ownership.
	Anybody else?
	Like me nowadays, I wouldn't feel comfortable with that.
	Did anybody else answer one?
	Does it change anything?
	Does it change your answer to the guy number two if he owns a firearm?
	I think that's a no.
	Okay.
	We'll get back to the Bumble thing.
	Nick, if you could pull that back up.
	And we have, did you change the age range?
	Yeah.
	Oh, hold on.
	One second.
	Island Draco underscore donated $200.
	I would rather have a gun to protect myself and my family not having a gun leaves you vulnerable to being deleted.
	Plus, there could be eight guys.
	You never know also.
	Two A. Rather have a gun.
	Yeah.
	Andrew, do you know the statistics on like home invasions per year?
	I don't know the statistics on home invasions specifically every year off the top of my head.
	I can pull them up.
	I think it's what I will say that they're not common.
	Usually criminals will try to enter into your house when you're not there.
	But they do.
	But they do enter when you are there.
	And it does seem to me that having the firearm in a place where you're actually allowed to seems like a good idea from my perspective.
	But there's nothing, it's very difficult to convince people who have zero firearm experience at all not to be terrified of guns.
	It's almost impossible from my experience.
	All right.
	Thank you, Ivan Drago, Drago, for that.
	We'll pull up the bumble thing.
	What was the age range on this one?
	All right, this one's for you.
	Go ahead.
	So just a yes or a no.
	A yes or a no?
	I can't really see his face.
	I would say maybe yes.
	He doesn't like sure.
	No?
	No.
	Yes?
	No.
	Oh.
	No.
	Yes.
	They love to put their dog on here.
	No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
	Yes?
	Interesting with the harmonica.
	Harmonica?
	What is it?
	Accordion.
	Okay, whatever.
	Accordion.
	Okay, accordion.
	Like, yes, just for shits and gigs.
	I kind of like the style with the accordion.
	That's 20.
	Okay.
	And then we're going to you.
	What was your age range?
	21 to 26.
	21 to 26.
	Okay, go ahead, Nick.
	Wait.
	Yeah.
	You hit- Do you have it?
	Oh, you're just okay.
	You're just adjusting it.
	Got it.
	No.
	No.
	Maybe.
	Sure.
	No, even though the cat's adorable.
	No.
	What is that creature?
	Not the guy.
	I don't know what he was holding.
	That was a very strange.
	I don't know what that was.
	No.
	No.
	Didn't we see him already?
	No.
	Everybody's so far from the camera.
	Like, no.
	No.
	No.
	I don't.
	No. No. No.
	Which one is it?
	Is it no to all of them?
	Maybe the middle one, maybe, but I didn't know.
	Yeah.
	No, no, no.
	Did you say yes to anybody?
	I think to maybe one person.
	No, I think you did a maybe to the three guys.
	Yeah, to the three guys because I was like, I don't know.
	If, Nick, if there's a girl who says no to everyone we showed, they get another 10.
	Go ahead.
	Oh.
	I keep going?
	Yeah, another 10.
	Oh, no.
	No.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Hold on.
	Just one thing.
	Don't make any sidebar comments about like just let the sole person answer.
	Because if you start, if other girls, oh, he's cute, it's going to influence her.
	Just keep everybody silent while she answers.
	Anybody answers, go ahead.
	He has a nice high profile, so like sure.
	Okay, there you go.
	You still get, what, five more?
	Yeah.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Okay.
	Pretty picky there.
	Pretty picky.
	There was one yes.
	And then what's your age range for men you would date?
	I have a boyfriend.
	Oh, is she not doing this one?
	Yes, skip her.
	You sure you don't want to do it?
	I don't want to do it.
	That's fine.
	Okay.
	Your age range?
	Twenty-one and thirty.
	Twenty-one and thirty?
	Okay.
	We will do that.
	Guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
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	And if you want, get a super chat in via streamlabs streamlabs.com slash whatever.
	TTS is 200.
	Go ahead, Nick.
	No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
	Oh, that one could have been a maybe.
	No.
	A little louder, please.
	No.
	Maybe?
	Yeah?
	No.
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah?
	Oh.
	Oh.
	Oh, this one's a yeah.
	The previous guy and this guy.
	No, the previous guy, no, his muscles were too big, but this one's young.
	Okay.
	This guy's yes.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so that was, I think that was two yeses?
	Yeah, I got two yeses.
	One of them was a maybe, but then turned into a yes.
	So two yeses.
	Okay, tent, so that's ten percent, I guess.
	Ten percent.
	Okay.
	Next, age range.
	I think it's a twenty-five to forty.
	What was it?
	Twenty-five to forty.
	Twenty-five to forty.
	Okay.
	Nick, I'm gonna get up for a sec, but when not, you can just switch it back to here, get their answers, and then, yeah.
	You can bring it.
	He's cute, maybe.
	No, no, no.
	Maybe?
	Hard to tell there.
	No. No. No. No.
	Maybe.
	I don't know which one.
	No.
	Again, I don't know which one.
	Maybe.
	Impressive.
	No.
	He's KO, yes.
	No.
	No. Yeah.
	No.
	No, faith.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	Yes.
	No.
	No.
	Maybe?
	No.
	No.
	Yes.
	Um no no, maybe no, no.
	Uh yes no no no no no no no
	no no no no no no no no no, no yeah.
	No, that was one.
	Yes yeah one, yes.
	Race car dude, right?
	No, I don't want to do it.
	Race car dude, I have Frankie already.
	Everyone's really picky, I guess, but I mean I assume wait, I didn't even really hear everyone's, I wasn't here for everyone's, but I heard a lot of no's, that's all.
	I have an amazing boyfriend, so I have nothing to worry about what.
	What made you guys say no to a lot of them?
	I guess we can go one by one.
	Oh um, a lot of them.
	I feel like the pictures.
	I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like the pictures.
	They always, if they're wearing glasses, you can't see their face.
	If they're, like looking away, if there's other people, you don't know which one is them.
	I also feel like I can't just judge based on the picture.
	I feel like I'd want to know more about the people.
	I don't pictures.
	Dating apps did it for you?
	Yeah, what about you?
	Um, I was going mostly obviously, just like based off looks and um, I agree, like when, when there's more than one person in the photo or they have like sunglasses on or whatever, there's like a couple words like immediately no um, and then the rest of them, it's like sure, if I think that they are attractive and like, you can swipe and then see, once you talk to them, whether or not they're cool.
	But I don't know.
	Yeah, kind of the same thing.
	A lot of the photos were just like I cannot like.
	Who are you like?
	It was really far.
	So it's like when you're looking at those, just like one photo out of like a dating profile, it's like hardly I feel like there.
	That's why there's like a whole other, the end of the profile.
	I'm like, okay, let me see more.
	I don't know.
	Just the first photo is this Bumble.
	Is that that's what this app is?
	Is it only like one picture you show or or is there like multiple?
	Oh okay, that was just like their best photos.
	Yeah, the cover, the cover.
	Okay, all right guys, sorry about that.
	I had to step away for a sec.
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	Slash whatever drops a follow and a prime sub.
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	I have one other dating or hold on let me let me do stiffler first.
	Okay ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to ten starting with you.
	Go ahead.
	I'd say like a six point five or seven we're rating our own looks.
	Yeah yeah seven I'll go with like a 6.5 to a 7 like I can do better than right now.
	I'd say a useful four and a half ten
	This is hard because like I think these girls are ten so it's like hard for me to like say like I wanted to say like a six seven but they said six seven so so what do you like a six seven okay my family would say I'm a ten but I'm probably a five I think I'm like a six I could be a seven if I lost some weight lose the braces okay I give myself five Andrew what about you Four four, all right.
	There you have it.
	So we do have one ten at the table, ten out of ten.
	I'm not the only ten, though I will say I'm not the only ten, though I will say that.
	What do you mean?
	You think the like I definitely see other tens at the table.
	Which ones?
	Um well honestly, everyone.
	But like, if I'm gonna say some tens that like really like pop, like you two gorgeous, thank you.
	Yeah okay, ten is like perfect.
	Yeah, like I drop, like like no, no flaws, like whatsoever.
	Well, not necessarily no flaws, but like like you're showstopping.
	That's what I think a ton is like everybody has flaws, no matter what.
	Yeah, you're well and saying no, but everyone has some sort of flaws.
	Wouldn't that be that no one is a ten because no one's perfect exactly?
	But we're going off a one to ten scale, just hypothetically, where people are tens.
	You know how long have you been single?
	1.5 years, is it?
	Like by choice, or just like what's what's going on there?
	Um yeah, I was actually like really contemplating getting in a relationship with that other person that I was saying, but ultimately I just decided that I'm just not in the right place to be getting in a relationship.
	Like I'm about to graduate, about to move down to San Diego.
	Is there anything about you that you would change physically?
	Physically yeah, like what?
	Um, I hate my wrists.
	My wrists are so little.
	You change your wrists.
	Yeah, I want thicker wrists, guys.
	Well, how tall are you?
	I'm 5'4.
	Oh, you're 5'4.
	Okay, but would you say you're like more on the petite side?
	Yeah, I am.
	Well, isn't that just proportional to your general size?
	I mean slightly, but I just would.
	I want thicker wrists.
	I don't know why do you want bigger wrists?
	I don't know.
	I feel like everyone else at the table has like good wrists.
	Is that like the first thing you look at, you get all you're so tiny wrist.
	Yeah, you're good.
	Your wrists are fucking terrible.
	No, like it's literally so hard to find bracelets.
	What the fuck?
	Okay, so but you just be like eyeballing people's wrists.
	Like what about mine?
	Yeah, good wrist.
	Good wrists?
	I got small wrists.
	I'm in the same boat.
	Oh, really?
	You're also insecure about your wrists?
	Oh, yeah.
	I got gamer hands.
	I mean, it's weird because my dad, he's got like big, strong, meaty man hands, and I got these like dainty piano fingers.
	Oh, my God.
	It kind of sucks.
	No, but women actually usually like little dainty hands.
	What the?
	I've heard.
	I like masculine.
	I've actually, I've had no complaints.
	I've had no complaints.
	But just not even from like a dating perspective.
	I would just, in general, prefer to have big, strong man hands.
	Bro, you guys see me.
	You guys probably haven't seen this, but I struggle to open champagne bottles.
	There, I said it.
	It was a struggle last.
	No, actually, I'm two out of three, right, Nick?
	In recent history.
	Yeah.
	I was able to.
	We do a champagne pop set.
	She's squirming.
	I struggled to open one of the champagne bottles.
	Gerald, Dane, I don't know if you're still watching.
	He popped two, and I struggled on one of them.
	So, anyways, okay, so you would change your wrists.
	So you're at 10?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Does anyone.
	Does anybody have to disagree or why the hesitation?
	I think the fact that she thinks she's a 10 would make her one.
	Like, she's confident and she likes the way that she is.
	She hates her wrists.
	That brings you down to a nine at least.
	If it makes her a 10 just because she thinks she's a 10, then does it make me an attack helicopter because I think I'm an attack helicopter?
	Oh my God.
	Well, I'm just saying that it doesn't really, like, people can tell her what they think she is, but if she's thinking that she's a 10, like, and she still has insecurities, people who, it depends on if you quantify 10 out of 10 as flawless.
	People who are really pretty can still, or really attractive, can still have flaws.
	You can have flaws.
	So why'd you rate yourself a seven?
	Because I don't think that I'm perfect.
	Okay, so then you would consider the 10 rating to be perfection.
	For myself.
	You don't, well, I mean, but who are you comparing yourself rating to?
	That's not something you would come up with arbitrarily, right?
	You would have to basically observe the world around you, and then you would be comparing yourself to other human beings, right?
	Yeah.
	So if that's true, then if your self-rating is a seven, then you're saying when I compare myself objectively to other women, clearly there's women who I think are much prettier than I am who I would put in that eight, nine, or ten scale, right?
	Is she one of them?
	I think that she's beautiful.
	Yeah, I know, but that's not what I asked you, though.
	Are you asking me to rate my female peers?
	No.
	I mean, but that's how you get your self-rating is because you're looking at your female peers and you're saying that some of them are prettier than you, right?
	Yeah, I was thinking more like the standard, like my perceived standard of like female beauty.
	Yeah, right.
	Your perceived standard of female beauty puts you at a seven.
	So would you say that the woman who puts herself at a 10 has a higher or lower standard than that?
	Because clearly you can compare yourself to other women so that you can come up with the standard, right?
	I don't really know what you're saying.
	I just think the whole point is like that everybody can come up with their own standards.
	You're saying, how do you know if you're a seven absent you comparing yourself to other women?
	You wouldn't know that, right?
	Sure.
	Like, if I had never seen a woman before and you asked me to rate how beautiful I thought I was, I don't know.
	Yeah, there's no way for you to compare.
	There's no way the whole point of a rating scale is that it's supposed to be comparative, sure.
	Right, yeah, exactly.
	So if you're comparing yourself to the woman who considers herself a 10, right, are you saying that she's a 10 or not?
	I just think that there's – I don't see the point in questioning her rating of herself.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	I know.
	I'm not asking you if she should question her rating of herself.
	I'm saying that if you're objective, and clearly you're looking at this as an objective metric, then do you agree with that self-assessment or disagree with that self-assessment?
	That's what I'm asking.
	I'm not really sure.
	Okay.
	I got a question.
	Do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look now?
	So you're 21.
	Will you be better looking at 31 or how you look now at 21?
	Yeah, 31, I would assume I'd be better looking.
	You'll be better looking.
	Well, how can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking in 10 years?
	Well, that's like Miss USA, for example.
	Like you asked, like I'm not comparing myself to her at all.
	Not saying my beauty's that to that point, right?
	But that's like saying, oh, she was beautiful at 21.
	At 31, she can't be just as beautiful.
	Well, she can.
	Or would you disagree that a model couldn't do that?
	I'm not comparing myself to such models.
	Let me change the question.
	All else being equal, do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years?
	Yes, just because there's certain things that I do want to alter about myself that I think that would make me a little bit more attractive.
	Such as?
	For example, I want to be like a lot more toned.
	Like I want like really toned absolute all that.
	So I feel like that would make me more attractive.
	But that doesn't matter.
	Assuming you're headed from what I deem myself as would you be more attractive today or in 10 years?
	I would say today just because your skin will probably deteriorate a little bit.
	Like your elasticity and all that.
	Okay.
	So you think by virtue of you working out over the course of the next 10 years, you will be more attractive than you are now?
	Given the fact that you currently aren't as toned as you would like currently?
	Yeah, because I would also, like, after I'm done with college, I'm drinking less, smoking less.
	You know, your skin looks better, body looks better, you look healthier.
	So you plan to stop drinking and smoking?
	And I don't know if there's drug use?
	No, no, drug use, but not necessarily stopping drinking.
	I just don't want to be involved with that whole like drinking lifestyle.
	Okay.
	What about 20 years' time?
	20 years' time, I'd view myself as less attractive compared to 21, but I would hope to view myself as more beautiful, though.
	Like I'd find myself more beauty.
	Like I find more beauty within myself is what I'm trying to say.
	Okay.
	I'll actually open up to the whole panel.
	Do you think you'll be more physically attractive in 10 years?
	All else being equal, will you be more attractive in 10 years as compared to how you are now?
	Starting with you.
	I'd be 29.
	Maybe, yeah.
	You'll be more physically attractive in 10 years.
	All else being equal.
	So this isn't like, okay, well, not saying for you, but like, let's say a woman was obese at 19, and then she's making the comparison, well, if I'm a fitness model at 29, then yes, I would be more attractive at 29.
	It's assuming, you know, you're doing sort of all the things you were, if you possessed all the traits, you know, so you're in reasonable physical shape, you know, yeah, reasonable physical shape.
	You know how to, some people will argue, well, in 10 years' time, I'll know how to do my makeup better.
	In 10 years' time, I'll know how to dress better.
	Those sorts of things.
	So assuming you knew all of those things now, or your skills in makeup or dress stayed the same.
	Right.
	Still 10 years later?
	Yeah, I think so.
	What about you?
	So 32 versus 22?
	I think that, like, you're hottest in your 20s.
	So, like, on a physical basis.
	So, I would say physically, I would be less attractive in 10 years.
	But, like you said, I think there's more time for you to work on yourself physically or mentally.
	And so, in that sense, maybe like my value as a whole person would go up.
	But in terms of like my physical value, my physical looks, maybe it would go down a little bit.
	Probably.
	I think I'll go with like looking better in 10 years.
	I think there's always like room of improvement either way in how I think of myself.
	So, maybe in 10 years I would like you'd look better.
	Maybe look better, but just like not even care, just feel better.
	And no matter how I look, like my mindset will change, and that probably will make me think that I look better than I do now.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I don't think I'll be more physically attractive in 10 years, but I do think I'll be more wise, more able to take on challenges.
	Not really the question, but okay.
	My answer is no.
	So, you're currently 32.
	Would you say that you're better looking now at 32 than you were at 22?
	No.
	So, better looking at 22?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Oh, you answered the question.
	In 10 years, physically, you will be less attractive.
	And I know this because at 21, I probably would have given myself like an 8 or a 9, you know, being like 125 pounds, all that stuff.
	And then now at 31 almost, definitely less attractive.
	All right.
	So, and then at 40, I think you're at 41.
	Yeah, I'd probably, I mean, wait, are you like, I think, did you say you were 30?
	So I'm 30, but my birthday's on Sunday.
	Oh, you're about to turn off.
	Okay, I see.
	But kind of like they were saying, you have more time to gain wisdom.
	And I don't mean it like just like, you know, the thing, sleeping around is what people say.
	That's not really what it's about.
	It's just like getting wisdom and more time to have more experiences and be smarter.
	So in that way, you do add value as a woman, but looks-wise, your looks decrease with age.
	Okay, what about you?
	Less attractive.
	All right, what about you?
	I think I'll be equally attractive.
	I think I'm in a peak mid-20s.
	Well, so you're 20.
	So are you saying you'll be more attractive at 30 than you are now at 20?
	No, I think I'll be like equally.
	Equally, yeah.
	Okay, what about at 40?
	Less attractive.
	Less attractive.
	Okay.
	You'll be equally attractive.
	All right.
	Interesting questions.
	Andrea, any thoughts?
	Yeah, if you don't mind if I follow up, do you think that you'll be more or less fertile in 10 years?
	She likes that one.
	Starting with you, more or less.
	Starting with you, go ahead.
	That's a good question, Andrew.
	Is that not like statistically, like as you're younger, you're more right?
	They were just asking you if you think that you'll be more or less fertile in 10 years.
	At 29, probably less.
	Okay.
	I'll be less fertile.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Probably less.
	If I maybe take better care of myself, who knows?
	Like, I don't know.
	Be equal.
	Less.
	Now understanding that you'll be less fertile from an evolutionary standpoint, why do you think that it is that men are attracted to younger women if you had to guess?
	Because they're more fertile and so it would be evolutionary advantageous for them.
	Because they're more fertile, so it would be evolutionarily advantageous.
	Would you all agree that that's true?
	Yeah.
	So then if that is true and that men are attracted to younger women because it would be evolutionarily advantageous to them because those women are more fertile and so therefore, you know, you could project, you could basically have more children, which is kind of the ultimate goal from an evolutionary standpoint is to have more children.
	Now knowing this and knowing that your logic walked you to that, are you going to be more or less attractive in 10 years?
	I think it was only one or two girls who said more.
	Who said more attractive in 10 years?
	I forgot.
	There was three.
	Or three.
	I knew.
	It was youth?
	I said.
	Oh, you said more attractive?
	More attractive, more attractive.
	So now knowing that, do you still think that you'll be more attractive in 10 years?
	I was just meaning it from like my personal.
	I wasn't really thinking about it from like from how someone else would perceive me.
	Well, that's strange.
	How do you come up with your assessment of how attractive you are if it's not through the eyes of other people?
	I think I was mainly saying I wasn't thinking about it through the eyes of men.
	I was just thinking about personality.
	You think about how attractive you are through the eyes of women, but why do you think that women try to make themselves look younger?
	I'm sorry.
	I'm confused how this relates particularly.
	I just meant that.
	Well, because of the because again, the point is to point out what could be potentially delusion, right?
	So to answer your question, there are plenty of women out there who think that they're going to be much better looking in 10 years than they are in whatever their current status is.
	Let's say 20.
	It's just kind of like a general run-of-the-mill age.
	But yet understand that their fertility is going to greatly reduce in that 10 years and that men would be attracted from an evolutionary standpoint, which is your guys' worldview, the feminist worldview anyway.
	I don't understand how you reconcile that because you're basically saying that, hey, I'm going to be less fertile.
	Therefore, aren't men going to be less attracted to you?
	Isn't that the point?
	well i'm 19 so i think i when i look at like other women that i find really beautiful most of them tend to be in their like mid 20s so if i'm mid to late 20s so if i'm thinking about 10 years you're 29 You're going to be less fertile than you are at 20, right?
	I'm 19, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	So then, so then wouldn't it stand to reason that if fertility is the thing that's being selected for, which it stands to reason it would be, that you would be less attractive to the opposite sex the more time that goes by as far as fertility, right?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	So do you think that maybe your self-assessments, for those of you who think that you're going to be more attractive in 10 years, might be slightly delusional?
	Or is this perhaps a reason that women do themselves up in such a way to try to look as young as possible to attract a mate?
	As I was saying, I just picked that, like that I would be more attractive because that's what, like, when I see attractive women, that tends to be the age they are, is like 25 to like 30 is like really attractive.
	But that's just me.
	So that's what I meant.
	All right.
	Okay.
	One, we're going to segue briefly, and I hope briefly, because I said that about the bear thing.
	We talked about it for an hour and a half.
	All right.
	So the bullet scenario, because it's related to the bear scenario.
	Now, the best way of framing this question goes something like this.
	Should men be willing to sacrifice their life for their girlfriend or wife?
	Or in other words, should men, as a gender role, as a gender expectation, be willing to take a bullet for their girlfriend or wife?
	Starting with you.
	No.
	I would say probably not, but like, I don't necessarily view that as a gender role necessarily.
	Like, I would take a bullet for my boyfriend too.
	Okay.
	And men being expected to be the protectors is a different story.
	I would expect the same, like, equally.
	Like, I know I probably would if I truly love this person.
	And it's like equally, like, I don't think it's a gender role thing.
	Wait, let me just pause really quick.
	Maybe, Andrew, you can help me out a little bit with this.
	I know there has to be a better way for me to frame this question to kind of get at what I'm getting at.
	Yeah, I would just ask it this way.
	Just really quickly, just yes or no around the table.
	Do you feel that you are honorable?
	Real quick, very quickly, around the table.
	Do you feel that you're an honorable person?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Next.
	Next?
	I think so, yes.
	Yeah, next?
	Through God, yes.
	Next?
	Yes.
	Not really.
	No way, not really honorable.
	Okay.
	So to those of you who answered yes, you feel you're honorable people.
	Do you expect the man you're with to defend your honor?
	Um...
	No, I guess.
	No.
	I don't think I'd ever know if you're with me.
	Can we give them a scenario?
	If you're with your boyfriend and somebody insulted you in front of your boyfriend and insulted your honor, you have no expectation that he defended?
	Well, sure.
	Why not?
	Okay, well then you do expect your significant other to defend your honor.
	Not by a bullet, though.
	Well, but hang on.
	We'll get to that entailment in a second.
	But let's just start with you do expect him to defend your honor, right?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Next.
	I don't think I've ever thought about defending my honor once in my life, but I would say, like, sure.
	Wait, can I ask a question, Andrew?
	Let me know if this fits within your scenario.
	Let's say you're out walking a party street here at think here locally or like in a bar district.
	You're walking with your boyfriend and a guy slaps your ass.
	Would you want your boyfriend to physically intervene?
	Like fight the guy that did it.
	Yeah.
	Is that a fair question?
	Yeah, but I mean, the entailment's going to be the same both ways, but sure.
	Some random guy, he's basically SA'd you, right?
	Do you want him to just kind of stand by?
	Or do you want him to do something about it?
	Oh, like would I expect my boyfriend to defend me if a man were to have like sexually harassed me?
	Yeah.
	I would say probably, yeah.
	So then that's the entailment part, right?
	That I don't understand.
	If somebody assaults you or does something to you, you expect that your boyfriend or husband or whatever will put him in his place.
	But somehow when it's a life-threatening situation, which every physical altercation could potentially be, the answer is no.
	And so to me, it always seems like the women are speaking out of both sides of their mouth on this and trying to give the answer they think that they want you to.
	They're giving the answer that they think you want rather than the answer they really believe.
	Shall we get answers from the rest of the girls on this?
	Sure.
	From my partner, I would probably expect that from my partner, yes.
	Okay.
	I think that people would defend each other regardless of gender, females, too.
	Yeah, great.
	If you were married and a guy went by and smacked you on the rear end, would you expect that your husband did something about that?
	I would be happy if he did.
	Okay.
	Yeah, I would too.
	Yeah, I would want him to defend me.
	Yes.
	Yes, I would.
	Yeah, so then the thing is, is that you are most certainly all willing to put a man in harm's way to defend you.
	But it doesn't have to be a man.
	It doesn't be a woman.
	So when this idea comes up, but if it's life-threatening, now I don't expect him to, it's really hard to believe, you know?
	I mean, from this specific example, I can speak.
	I feel like the thing is, like, with the slapping ass thing, it's like, I would expect him to, not because I'm like wanting to put him in harm's way, but it's like if that situation would have happened with me by myself, I would have been the one to like do something about it.
	So it's like, if you're my boyfriend, if you're my man.
	I mean, what would you be able to do about it?
	I don't know.
	I'd check him in one way or another.
	No, not calling the cops, but like, you know, I'm not just going to let it happen.
	Yeah, I've had girlfriends tell guys off if guys are doing things.
	Yeah, so she's like, oh, man, that taught him a lesson.
	So the thing is, though, it's like you're willing to put a man in harm's way every single time a man fights on your behalf.
	The potential exists for him to die, just so you understand that.
	If I was with my boyfriend or husband and a girl grabbed him downstairs, I would defend him.
	Yeah, it's very similar to that.
	Whoa, okay, right.
	Yeah, I get it, but would he need you to?
	Maybe he should die.
	Does he need you to step in on his honor, or could he actually do something about that himself?
	And the odds of him actually getting damaged in an altercation with a woman who grabs him by the junk, significantly less than the chance of you getting damaged in an altercation with a man who might do something which is sexually inappropriate to you, right?
	So the thing is, is that you do seem, all of you, to be willing to put your man in harm's way to defend your honor because that's all that's being violated there, right?
	It's really just your honors being violated.
	And you want them to defend your honor, right?
	Gralzulu donated $200.
	Your scenario a car is coming at 120 miles per hour.
	Your man has only enough time to either jump out of the way and let you get hit or push you out of the way and he gets hit.
	Which do you prefer?
	Which do you prefer?
	Cars coming 120 miles per hour.
	Your man has only enough time to either jump out of the way and you let you get hit or push you out of the way and he gets hit.
	Which do you prefer?
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah.
	I'll get hit.
	That's fine.
	All right.
	Wait, just be clear.
	Unless the car pats you on the rear end on the way across.
	And then he needs to get in there and beat the shit out of that car, right?
	Wait, I'm just moved.
	Okay.
	So this is if there's a car coming at the two of us and it's either.
	So I think it's in line to hit you.
	Maybe he's standing off to the side.
	He's got a split second.
	He can like, I think he jumps out.
	He can push you out of the way, but he gets hit.
	Or he does, he takes no action.
	He takes no action and you get hit.
	I think in the scenario where I got hit, let's say I let that happen, I don't think I would be mad and say, oh, you should have sacrificed yourself for me.
	Okay.
	So, not that I want to get hit by a car.
	Right.
	And, or like that he somehow has the means to protect me in that situation because he doesn't really.
	He could kill himself for me, but then I would just have survivor skill and be like, why did you do that?
	Yeah, but the same exact logic could be applied for him defending your honor.
	If somebody have that same expectation, if some guy comes by and smacks you on the rear end, that he do something about that, he could definitely die in that situation.
	I mean, if you don't know what to do, but statistically, he would be less likely to die.
	He's guaranteed to die if he gets hit by a kid.
	Well, what is the threshold for when it's okay to, like, is it appropriate to have 5%?
	Well, it's actually interesting that you say that.
	There's also a statistical, it's also possible that he lives getting hit by the car.
	It's not even.
	It's not even a sure thing.
	He dies getting hit by the car, right?
	120 miles an hour?
	He probably will die compared to maybe he gets in a scuffle with a guy and sure, maybe the guy's a knife and he slits his throat.
	Well, I mean, more people die from hands and feet in the United States than they die from firearms.
	Hands and feet in physical altercation.
	I'm sorry, from rifle, right?
	A lot of danger.
	A lot of dangerous feet.
	Yeah, hands and feet from just rifles.
	I'm not kidding.
	You can look this up.
	Just hands and feet alone do more damage to people than rifle.
	More people die from just that than rifles per year.
	Men in a physical altercation with another man, yeah, they can die, and they die.
	They do die.
	Fighting with other men with their fists.
	Men are very strong, much stronger than women often give them credit for.
	A well-placed blow, and yeah, he's dead.
	And you'd want him to do that to defend your honor, right?
	I don't know.
	I think that these scenarios are too specific.
	And when you make this scenario more specific, people are more likely to answer illogically.
	And so in this situation, well, I don't have a boyfriend, so I can't imagine anyone pushing me out of the way to defend my honor or whatever.
	But I would say I wouldn't ask someone to do that for me necessarily.
	Andrew, if you mind, I'll just jump in really quick.
	I have a few things.
	I do want to first go around the table on this.
	If you all give your answer to the car scenario.
	I'll just die.
	I wouldn't expect that.
	You wouldn't expect that.
	What about you?
	I wouldn't expect it.
	Which do you, okay, you might not expect it.
	Which would you prefer?
	I'm not sure.
	In that case, I prefer that he doesn't sacrifice himself.
	Yeah, I'm not really sure either on this one.
	Okay.
	I can ask a different one, but go ahead.
	I would prefer him to jump in front of the car with me because he loves me so much.
	So you both.
	Okay.
	All right.
	What about you?
	Tell me that, Julian.
	I would say the same thing as her, but I think a man of God would push, no, would push me out of the way.
	Okay.
	Let me try to reframe it a little differently.
	I don't know if it's going to change the answers.
	If the Grim Reaper comes and says, should I take your life or your husband's, who do you choose?
	My life.
	Probably mine.
	Mine.
	It depends who's closer to being saved or who's going to help people.
	Wait, what?
	Okay.
	That's what I pick.
	Were you closer to being saved by Jesus?
	Does that not make sense?
	You've both been saved.
	You've both been saved.
	Both of you.
	Both of you have been saved.
	And you're in a holy matrimony from the church.
	The Holy Spirit was present.
	You were both when you tied the knot.
	Right?
	It happened.
	You've both been saved.
	Okay, so you're not going to be able to do it.
	Wait, wait, Andrew, can I ask you a clarifying question?
	Is it saved by like a heresy church, or like, does that change anything?
	From my worldview, yes, but who cares?
	Okay, which did you pick?
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	If we don't have kids, I can die.
	If we have kids, he has to die.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	I mean, obviously, I'd want my own life, but I'd want him to choose his own life too, so it's hard to say.
	All right.
	Sticking with what I said before, take both of us.
	Okay, I know how to reframe this again.
	Go ahead.
	I would say to take probably take my life.
	Okay.
	So let us remove ourselves from the actual scenario, and I'm going to give you another scenario.
	Would you prefer to date a man who was willing to sacrifice his life for you versus dating a guy who was unwilling in all scenarios to ever sacrifice his life for you?
	Would you think, for example, that one is less masculine?
	Was that the end of the question?
	Well, would you think.
	I kind of, there's a bit of a.
	Is he done yet?
	Okay, you could think, like, okay, one, which would you prefer to date?
	And then also, I mean, you might have some analysis there of the actual person in question.
	For example, if he was unwilling to sacrifice his life for you to make the ultimate protection move, the ultimate sacrifice of dying for you, would you deem that as like less masculine?
	Maybe he's a beta male, that sort of thing.
	I would say that I'd be like more willing to date someone who is willing to sacrifice, sorry, sacrifice themselves, but mainly because if I'm dating someone, it's probably because I love them and I would do the same for them.
	So I think it's more of like equality on that.
	What about you?
	Would you deem it less attractive or less masculine if a guy was unwilling to do that for you?
	I think that it's funny that you have to reframe the question this many times because I think that we've all been pretty consistent in our position.
	I would say that it depends on his motive for why he would be willing to sacrifice himself.
	If it's for the purpose of defending my honor, I can.
	I don't really want anyone to defend my honor, but just the Grim Reaper scenario.
	Oh, okay, sure.
	You guys can decide together, I guess, on who.
	Like, we look at each other and we're like, who's going?
	And he's like, me, I will die for us.
	I feel like there's better framing on this question.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	This all really stems from a previous show we were having a conversation.
	Well, actually, before I get into that, just going around the table, if you can give quick answers to this reason.
	I mean, I don't get it, though.
	There is no need to reframe.
	We flip-flop multiple times.
	If you're willing to put your man in harm's way just to defend you because you feel like you were slighted by another man, then clearly your priority is you and not him when it comes to a situation like that.
	How could it be anything different than that?
	Some guy came by and opened palms, smacked you on the rear, and you're demanding or think that he should step in and defend your honor.
	You're definitely putting him in harm's way at his expense and not at your expense.
	So I don't understand why when we logically extend that out, why that wouldn't be the case.
	Because if I swung at a man, I'm probably not going to win.
	So let's, if they did that and I go in for a swing, I probably wouldn't win that situation.
	So.
	Yeah, right.
	So he should put himself in harm's way.
	He doesn't have to be a harmony.
	Right.
	But this would be the same thing, too, even in the bullet scenario.
	Which one would you prefer to take a bullet?
	A man has a much larger body mass and can probably survive being shot better than a woman could, too.
	So, I mean, if that's the extension, then you would have to extend it out to everything, right?
	What is this, Bridgerton?
	We living in the, like, we dueling out here.
	I'm kidding.
	No, but I just say, like, I don't know.
	I can't.
	Here, let's get the girls' answers, I guess, on the, was it the grim?
	No, no, no, no, we are getting.
	Would you deem a man like less date worthy or less attractive if he was unwilling to die for you?
	No.
	Well, your question was different.
	You asked, like, would you rather date the guy who would or wouldn't?
	I would date the guy who rather would.
	Okay.
	It's fine.
	I wouldn't say it's less masculine, but I wouldn't date them.
	Okay, I see.
	Well, I guess kind of what we're getting towards with this is that, hold on, let me just add this really quick to my notes.
	Is there does seem to be some degree of a gender expectation on men to protect, and the ultimate manifestation of protection would be in some sort of scenario to sacrifice one's life for their partner.
	And this typically meant will typically be the man sacrificing his life for the woman.
	There are perhaps not so much at this table, but there are plenty of women, perhaps they lean a bit more conservative, who would prefer, have a strong preference to date a man who would be willing to protect her at the cost of his life.
	And so, and this all stemmed from, I don't know exactly how it came about, but a couple shows back, I said, yeah, I wouldn't be willing to die for a woman.
	And they all objected to that.
	And they'd say it was, you're less masculine, you're not as date-worthy, blah, blah, blah.
	And I gave quite a bit of pushback.
	I would not be willing to sacrifice my life for a woman or the woman I was dating rather, even my wife.
	And even if we had children, I know a couple of you seem to indicate that, well, if you had children, you'd prefer the man died versus the woman.
	But I would just make the argument to that.
	I think it was you.
	I would just make the argument to that one that, well, it seems like the outcomes for children raised by single fathers versus single mothers does seem to be a bit better, comparatively speaking, statistically speaking.
	And also, I would argue that assuming the man is the breadwinner in this situation and the woman isn't, the man would be better, have more capacity and be more capable of, that was just kind of redundant, but okay, would be more capable of providing and protecting for the children.
	So in any scenario, whether you're single, don't have kids, or even if you do have kids, I think it would be better for the man to survive.
	Andrew does disagree with me on that one.
	He has a more traditional worldview than I do.
	I will say, Andrew, I want to give a chess.
	I want to talk about chess really quick.
	Dear Andrew, in chess, you lose if you sacrifice the king to save the queen.
	Checkmate, Andrew.
	Well, you can't.
	The thing that's funny is in chess, you can't actually take the king off the board.
	You can only ever take the queen off the board.
	Just letting you know, right?
	You can only ever checkmate the king.
	You can't actually take him off the board.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	You can't sacrifice the king.
	Who's arguably on the chessboard the most important piece, Brian?
	Which piece is the most important one?
	Andrew, don't do this to me.
	Which one's the most important one, Brian?
	Which one?
	Which one's the most powerful?
	Queen.
	Yeah, the queen.
	The queen's the most queen.
	It's important piece on the board.
	Damn it, Andrew.
	Why do you got to do this to me?
	Why you got to do this to me?
	Well, but you know, I will say, for example, in this scenario, you know, the scenario, there's a move.
	It's called a queen sack, queen sacrifice.
	So you'll sacrifice, the player will voluntarily let the opponent capture their queen to gain some sort of advantage, either material or gaining a better position, or even a checkmate.
	So I think that the woman, I think the woman should sacrifice their life.
	I think the woman should sacrifice their life.
	Do you have a girlfriend?
	Well, that is true.
	You do sacrifice the queen on behalf of the king in chess if you want to win sometimes.
	That is true.
	Yeah.
	So also, do you guys think it would be like it's more beta, like beta male?
	I don't like the alpha beta thing, but do you think it's more beta if the guy's like not willing to like fight for his chest?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	But check this out.
	Yeah?
	Just going around the table, more or less beta.
	Literally no comment.
	No comment.
	Come on.
	You would be like, what are you little bitch?
	Right?
	Wouldn't that be your thinking?
	No.
	This little bitch doesn't want to.
	Here, okay, let me give you a different scenario that's not as extreme as life or death.
	Here's the scenario.
	Okay.
	You're dating a dude.
	And then.
	And then, like, some dude starts talking smack to you.
	And he's like, babe, he seems really unhinged.
	We got to.
	Let's leave.
	Someone's like legitimately unhinged or just like not like actually.
	Did they speak to us just yet?
	If someone's like legitimately unhinged, we both got to go.
	All right.
	I don't want to be there.
	I just want to point out one thing, right?
	You know, I've heard from the chat.
	The chat thinks it's beta male.
	Some women think it's beta male.
	I would argue it's fucking Sigma Alpha to let the woman die because here's why, ladies.
	Here's why.
	Here's why.
	Think of like Genghis Khan, right?
	This guy had like concubines and mistresses and like multiple wives.
	He had like, I don't know if it was dozens or hundreds of wives.
	This guy had the largest contigious land empire, the Mongol Empire.
	The largest contigious.
	Some people are like, there's bigger contigious has a meaning, guys.
	Biggest empire in the world.
	Multiple wives.
	Hundreds of children.
	You think he would sacrifice his life for one of his measly wives?
	Not my view, his view.
	He probably didn't care much.
	No, he didn't care.
	Jess Gerald donated $200.
	I'm trying, guys.
	Chess player here.
	The king is the most important piece.
	If the king gets Scott, the game's over.
	If the queen gets Scott, you can take a pawn and make a new queen.
	Sorry, Abbott Wilson.
	That wasn't my argument.
	My argument was that the queen's the most powerful piece on the board, and it is.
	Faucio.
	And I do have a bone to pick with Andrew at some point, if it could come up.
	Yeah, I do have that in the notes.
	In fact, let me read one chat and then we'll get right to that.
	So, Killer of Cereal.
	Actually, I need to do this one too.
	Killer of Cereal.
	For the panel, which ethnicity have you dated the most?
	Would you not date a certain ethnicity?
	Why?
	Starting with our dear friend.
	Can you pronounce it?
	Yael?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Look at that.
	Sorry.
	I already lost my train of thought.
	Hold on.
	Which ethnicity have you dated the most?
	Would you not date a certain ethnicity?
	I've dated the most white people.
	I don't think.
	White boys.
	There's.
	Sorry.
	No, I don't think there's any ethnicity I wouldn't date.
	What about you?
	It's basically asking if you got a type.
	You got a type, you know?
	You like the white boys, black guys, Latinos, Pacific Islanders, Native Americans.
	I don't want to say on a live stream what my preference is on the basis of ethnicity.
	That's fair.
	So you only date Vietnamese guys?
	I don't think that ethnicity is the most important thing.
	No, of course not.
	And in terms of who I find attractive, I haven't really dated a whole lot of people, honestly.
	The guy that I dated was white, but I don't think that that's necessarily speaking to my type.
	And actually, just curious, what is your ethnicity?
	I'm half Chinese, half Italian.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And so what's your ethnicity, and then just what ethnicities have you dated?
	And would you not date a certain ethnicity?
	I am white, but I'm like ethnic, like, I don't know.
	I get confused sometimes, but I'm just like Latina, but I'm a white woman at the end.
	But I don't think I've had a preference so far.
	It's been pretty mixed with everything.
	Yeah, I think like type in general, just like more feminine guys.
	You like more feminine guys?
	Yes.
	Did you just say that?
	Make sense.
	So what's like an example of a feminine guy?
	Can you think of a celebrity that, just so we know what you're kind of like into, you know?
	Like a basic one.
	I feel like Timothy Chalamé.
	I was just thinking of that.
	So he's kind of more feminine.
	Okay.
	I think like, yeah.
	You want to peg him or like is that?
	I find him just more attractive.
	But you.
	I find like a man with feminine features tend to be more attractive to me.
	Are you on?
	Actually, I'm curious about this.
	I'm just going to ask.
	Are you on birth control?
	I have an IUD.
	Hormonal or copper?
	Hormonal.
	So there's like this theory bouncing around that women who are on birth control start to like lean towards being more attracted to feminine men as compared to more masculine men?
	That's been no, that's been the trend of my whole life.
	I got this only last year.
	So it's been like that.
	At least for me, I don't know.
	Actually, going around the table, who here's on birth control?
	Yeah.
	Which kind?
	Pill.
	Kind.
	I have the arm implant.
	Nexplanon?
	IUD.
	Hormonal IUD.
	No.
	No birth control?
	No.
	No.
	I've never been on birth control.
	No, and I'm against hormonal birth control.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Your answer to the ethnicity question?
	I like men of all ethnicities.
	My boyfriend is Middle Eastern, but I like any ethnicity.
	Sure.
	I also don't have a preference on this ethnicity.
	I prefer to date my own race, which is like Slavic guys.
	I've only ever been with white guys, and I'm only attracted to white guys.
	I have a type, blonde hair, blue eyes.
	It's kind of always been my type.
	All right, there you have it.
	We have Anonymous.
	Brian, show this to the ladies.
	Hey, Anonymous, unfortunately, we're Not really a thing here for people to submit video reactions.
	We don't really have the, I mean, yeah, maybe someday we'll have we'll offer a different tier for that, but I do appreciate your message, but we cannot just show randomly submitted videos.
	But thank you, man.
	Going back to you, you said you had some beef.
	You got some beef with Andrew.
	Why don't you get into that?
	What are your quarrels and grievances and disagreements?
	Go ahead.
	Well, I think Andrew Wilson is a very smart man, and I enjoy listening to his debates.
	One bone to pick with him is his treatment of women who are born again.
	In my experience, it sort of seems like you are extra harsh on them.
	And what I would think is that if you wanted the world to be less degenerate, that you would sort of welcome people wanting to change their ways.
	So I'm just curious what your motive is in being so harsh.
	And I'd love to hear about it.
	Andrew, before you answer, can you just for the panel and then for the viewers, do you tell your OCD?
	Yes, right here.
	I'm framed up.
	No, no, no, no, that's not.
	Just can you just give a rundown?
	So your denomination of Christianity?
	Yeah, I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
	I'm not a Protestant.
	I'm happy to get into this, though, right?
	Because I think that that's a seemingly fair criticism on its face.
	But as you've seen from, can we agree on a couple of things first, though?
	You've seen from tonight's panel, I basically only give out the same energy that I get.
	Is that a fair thing to say?
	You'd have to elaborate on that more.
	Meaning, unless you're being particularly hostile towards me, I'm not particularly hostile towards you.
	I don't actually agree with that.
	I mean, have I been particularly hostile with you?
	Not with me, but I think that you, I've noticed you being particularly hostile to this woman, and I've noticed you being particularly hostile.
	How was I hostile with her?
	I thought that we had a good back and forth engagement.
	I think that once you make your point, you keep going.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Let me finish.
	I treat her exactly how I would treat any man who was sitting where she was who had a contrary opinion to my own.
	Sure.
	Did I treat her differently than that?
	No.
	Okay.
	So then by your logic, then it's not just born-again women who I would be brutal with in a debate, but also men, correct?
	True.
	Yeah, so I'm just going to treat both exactly the same.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Okay.
	So go ahead with the rest of your criticism.
	Just want to make sure we get this.
	What I'm curious about is your intention when you come on and you like what is wrong with a woman deciding that what she was doing was wrong and she wants to change her ways.
	I haven't heard it on this panel tonight, but in a lot of the whatever podcasts, that's what I hear.
	Like, there were a couple girls sitting here, you know, and you, I don't know what's wrong with them deciding that they don't want to do what they're doing anymore.
	And I don't know what kind of resume you have to have for you to not mock them.
	Nothing's wrong with that.
	Then why are you still mocking them?
	You know, well, okay, so I need you to try to separate two different things going on.
	Okay.
	So I believe that culture is downwind of theology and politics is downwind of culture.
	So I think that politics is informed by the culture and the culture is informed by theology.
	So imagine to my chagrin if you have women who will take Christianity and fuck it all up and twist it all up and mess it all up in order to appeal to other women and give them incorrect theology and then preach that incorrect theology.
	And so we end up tangling in a theological debate where they say all sorts of crazy shit, like this, for instance.
	Yes, it's okay if you play with tarot cards and you're a Christian.
	Or alternatively, yes, it's okay to be a magic user and a Christian.
	Or alternatively, yes, there's no, you know, you were a prostitute, but that's very similar to people smoking cigarettes.
	You can imagine my chagrin hearing that from these women because it seems like they're trying to placate other women into bringing them into a false faith, which I think apostasizing is worse, worse than anything else.
	So I think coming into false Christianity is almost as bad as the degeneracy itself.
	Okay, that's a great answer.
	What I would say back to you is that the way that you argue, it doesn't seem like you have a lot of love.
	It doesn't seem like it's coming from love.
	Like, there was one woman.
	It's not coming from love.
	It's coming from logic.
	They don't make argumentation.
	Christ's law is in love.
	I mean, is man for law or is law for man?
	There was one woman who was here.
	It's not a man.
	And she turned around.
	Will you let me finish, please?
	She turned around and said that she didn't want to do her old ways anymore.
	She had already come so far.
	She had a husband.
	She had a ministry.
	And you were on here, like, getting on her about.
	Did you say she had a ministry?
	Yeah.
	And that's what you were getting on her about.
	That's what you were getting on her about.
	Hang on, stop, stop.
	My turn now.
	Did you say she had a ministry?
	Of women.
	Yeah, are women allowed to have ministries?
	That's what you say, but I don't agree with that.
	Right.
	You don't agree with that.
	You're preaching a false doctrine.
	You want women to be clergy.
	You want women to be women inside of a, hang on, let me finish.
	I'd like to have a patriarchal.
	Okay, you tell me when I'm allowed to respond to your points.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	I think that when you preach out of this, like, intent to mock women, I mean, your base is men.
	Like, I feel like when you come on these things, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but it feels like your intent is to mock women for these comments.
	And I don't see how that is helping the world be better.
	I understand what you're saying, that you don't want women with a false doctrine, but at the same time, it just seems like it's not coming from love that you are like women want to turn away from porn or turn away from like what they've been doing.
	And you are like berating them.
	You're criticizing them.
	You're making it like you're embarrassing them and making it hard for other women who are maybe viewing this to turn their own ways.
	And to me, that's making degeneracy grow.
	Like you are enabling this hate women sort of mentality, in my opinion.
	That's how it comes off to a woman watching the show.
	It's like you are not able to turn away from what you want to turn from.
	Can I add to that?
	And I don't want to be judged by the people.
	No, you can't add to that because we're in the middle of having a conversation.
	Then you can add to it.
	So am I allowed to respond to these points now?
	Now, can you admit that I did not interrupt you at all while you were going through that?
	Great.
	So let's go through it one at a time.
	One, that's just tone policing.
	You never made a single argument.
	Why do I want people to come into a false faith?
	Why do I want that?
	That's bad.
	Not only that, but let us assume for a second that you don't know my end of it and how many people reach out to me after these shows who are women who say, thank you for challenging my worldview.
	I never thought of things like that at all, or I know I got demolished, or how many hundreds of women send me DMs outside of this show who say it's due to your argumentation, your logical argumentation that I came over to this.
	You're making arguments which are appealing to emotion.
	You're saying emotionally when I hear what you say, it emotionally makes me feel bad.
	Well, that's great, but I need you to understand that I don't give a shit how it makes you feel.
	What I care about is what is logically true and consistent.
	And what I care about is the arguments.
	You might say, so, for instance, imagine this.
	You would agree with me that there's going to be a lot more Christians if we include homosexuals into Christianity, right?
	I don't know.
	I wasn't brought up in church.
	I don't know.
	Okay, but you would agree that if you had a church which barred homosexuals and then the church allowed homosexuals in, that you would have a lot more.
	Andrew, avoid that topic if you can.
	Okay.
	Could I respond to what you said?
	If it was people of the same sex, if you let more of them in, right, you would agree that you would have a much larger congregation, right?
	But you can't allow people to defeat what the purpose of the religion is because they choose not to wake up one day and go, I'm not going to be a prostitute anymore.
	And then I need you to respond to my last point.
	And this is the one that I really want you to focus on.
	There's a lot of women who utilize Christianity and the faith of Christianity to hide behind, and they become reformed not because they have found Christ at all, but because they use Christianity as a shield from criticism.
	And that, I believe, is where most of the tone policing from women comes from.
	That you're utilizing tone policing to say, no, you're not allowed to criticize me now because I've turned away from my degenerate ways.
	No, that's not the purpose of Christianity either, is that now suddenly you're above criticism.
	That's not how that works.
	Yeah, I know about your stance on tone.
	I know about that.
	And that's not actually what offends me.
	what offends me is actually your use of the law against women, because I don't think that, like, that woman who was here, who was, who had been born again, and she had gone such a long ways, and you were, it doesn't matter the way you say it, like, I know how your stance on tone, so it's fine by me, but you were saying that she was somehow not worthy of being who she was,
	because she was...
	teaching other women.
	I don't think I said that's right, so let me.
	So let me respond to both these points.
	Point one, she can't teach other women because women can't be clergy in Christianity.
	Two, she made it a point that niceness was a Christian, a part of Christian doctrine, and it's not and it never has been, and I pointed out that this is not a Christian virtue.
	She's teaching falsely women.
	Women cannot be clergy in Christianity, period.
	They're not allowed to be clergy.
	Period.
	Never.
	Not even once.
	They're not allowed to, even once.
	You can't be like, oh, we're just fun and we just made one for the fun of it.
	Even if the results of it, you could argue the results or the consequences of this might be better in some way.
	It doesn't matter.
	The purpose of the religion is not that the consequences are always good.
	That's not the purpose of the religion.
	I understand.
	So I do know that that's backed up biblically.
	And I'd also like to say that in 1 Timothy, it says, treat older women like your mothers and treat younger women like they're your sisters with purity.
	And I'm wondering, where do you follow the law on that?
	Well, so, yeah, let's dive into this.
	When we're talking about matrons, you're talking about Paul in this case.
	And I quote this quite a bit myself.
	And when you're talking about matrons and how matrons are supposed to teach, they're supposed to teach from a position of a pure heart to only women.
	They're not supposed to have a ministry.
	Ministry would imply both.
	It's okay for matrons to give matronly women.
	The woman said she was women.
	Let me finish.
	I'm answering the question.
	It's okay for matrons to give matronly wisdom, but they're not allowed to teach the gospel.
	They're not allowed to do that.
	That's not their place.
	They're not allowed to be clergy.
	Well, why are you allowed to not treat women with respect?
	Almost done.
	Almost done.
	Didn't cut you off.
	Almost done.
	If she was just talking to her daughter about the gospel, things like this, fine.
	Okay.
	But saying I'm a minister, I'm a part of clergy, and teach women as a part of a church clergy is wrong.
	Period.
	It's wrong across the board.
	It's right.
	Okay, I disagree.
	Do you know what's also wrong?
	Smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol, which you've been doing the whole time, you know, for them to be able to do that.
	Why is that wrong?
	Because your body is a temple.
	Your body is a temple.
	Oh, yeah.
	Where's that said in the Bible?
	It is said in the Bible, and you're ruining your temple.
	And it does say you're not supposed to get drunk because I'm just saying you're drinking alcohol and you're smoking cigarettes.
	Is drinking alcohol a problem?
	No, I'm just saying if you're going to talk about Christianity.
	Drinking alcohol is not a problem.
	Okay, so then why'd you bring it up as being a problem from a Christian perspective?
	Getting drunk is.
	Any kind of problem.
	Am I drunk?
	I don't know.
	Are you?
	Well, let's see.
	I'm just saying if you're going to judge.
	Five hours.
	We've been at the show for five hours.
	You're going to judge.
	Do you think I'm drunk?
	I don't know.
	But if you're going to judge, then you have to get judgment back.
	And that's fine.
	And a good Christian actually does.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	So you have judged that Christians are not allowed to drink alcohol.
	Is that correct?
	That's not what I'm saying at all.
	Why did you bring that up and you can't say that you're so righteous if you're sinning into God?
	And sins are the same in the Bible.
	It's all you can't drink.
	It doesn't matter if you aren't.
	Tell me why.
	The truth is what matters.
	She was calling herself a pastor, which is not possible, and a lie.
	A lie is a sin.
	Teaching from a place of lies furthers the sin.
	Tell me, so tell me where, tell me why I'm not allowed to drink beer while I'm doing a podcast.
	Tell me why that's sinful.
	Tell me why that's wrong.
	Go ahead.
	You can do whatever you want, and I'm not judging nobody's practice.
	That's not what I'm saying.
	I think what you're trying to say.
	If you're ruining your temple, which is God's body for you, right?
	So do I ruin my temple and eat a donut?
	Just like a prostitute is ruining her body.
	It's the same thing.
	A sin is a sin.
	It says in the Old Testament, right?
	They are evil sins.
	Am I allowed to eat a donut?
	Am I allowed to eat a donut?
	Technically, no, it's bad for your body.
	No, I'm not allowed to eat a donut.
	Am I allowed to breathe oxygen?
	I mean, because that decays my body over time.
	But if you're talking about putting like high fructose corn syrup and all those bad things in your body, it is certainly a sin because it is your temple.
	I'm not saying we're perfect, but I'm just calling you out.
	I mean, to go off what she said.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Stop.
	Now you know.
	Now, if you want to know why it is I'm so hard on these women, now you know.
	Because this woman next to you just told me that it's sinful to drink.
	She couldn't back it up.
	She did.
	She did make an actual.
	Hang on, stop.
	My turn now.
	She did make an actual biblical appeal, but she didn't know where it was.
	She just heard it in passing.
	On top of that, she said, I can't drink a Coke.
	I can't eat a donut.
	Right?
	I can't do anything.
	Apparently, Christians aren't allowed to do anything because if we eat a donut, that's like sucking a hundred dicks like a prostitute, right?
	That is not what I said.
	That's not what I said.
	That's literally where that comes from.
	Yeah, well, isn't that an entailment?
	I'm sorry, isn't that an entailment?
	Isn't sucking a hundred penises like me eating a donut?
	Go ahead.
	Well, I think what she's trying to say, which she can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what she's trying to say is that everybody has all these like sins, whether they're hidden or not.
	Okay, I'm not saying what you're doing is a sin.
	I don't know you, you know.
	I don't know what in the context of it.
	I'm just saying.
	You can't tell me what I'm doing is a sin or not.
	You don't have judgment?
	No.
	You don't have discernment.
	You can't discern what's a sin?
	No.
	Uh-uh.
	Nothing.
	Then why should I take your word for anything when it comes to Christianity?
	You can't even discern what's a sin.
	It's between you and God, Andrew.
	I'm not going to, like, I'm not going to look into your life.
	Yeah, you can have whatever criticisms you have about me.
	You know, that's fine.
	All I'm saying is that.
	Have I made any personal criticisms about you?
	Seems like all the criticisms have to come from you guys to me.
	What you just said was that you can't trust what I say about God.
	And that's fine because, like I said, I didn't.
	That's not a personal criticism.
	That's an entailment of your logic.
	And that's.
	If you say, I cannot make any judgment on another person's sin, then you have told me that you cannot discern what is sin.
	Well, you are incapable of telling me what is sinful.
	So why would I ever say that?
	For another person, for myself, I think I can tell for myself, but I don't know.
	Like, I don't know your whole grand scheme of things.
	I think for some people, drinking could be a sin.
	For some people, it could not.
	I'm just saying, I don't, I'm not here.
	I don't think that I could adequately point at your sins.
	And I stand by that.
	But this is a bit of a whataboutism about his drinking.
	I do want to quickly bring it back to your point about.
	So you're a Christian, correct?
	I am.
	And so do you think that do you think women can be pastors?
	What's your denomination, by the way?
	Are you Protestant?
	Well, I did not know.
	No, I did not grow up in church.
	I grew up a different religion.
	What's your denomination?
	I do not have a denomination.
	Yeah, right.
	Non-denominational.
	All of you are always the non-denominational.
	Which is fine.
	But so can women be pastors?
	I, like, I don't know.
	I, you know.
	But I'm asking because you have to his position, and biblically, it would seem to indicate that women can't be pastors from a Christian worldview.
	Grid one motor sports donated $200.
	None of the things you have pointed out, ladies, are sins.
	The crown you are referencing committed fetus deletus, which is an actual sin.
	Why do you support such a person?
	You ladies need to study.
	You're wondering why these entanglements happen.
	These entanglements happen because people try to tell me what's what when it comes to this.
	That's fine.
	You can, but then you should expect an argument and you should expect me to argue in favor of my worldview, which arguably I can make an argument right now.
	Even if I knew nothing else, I could tell you that somebody's saying that me drinking a Coca-Cola or having a beer is similar to prostitution.
	They're insane.
	That's ludicrous, honesty.
	Well, I don't think that anybody here said that.
	And I also.
	Well, then, why can't I eat a donut?
	I don't think that anybody here ever said that.
	I think that we just said, I can't eat a donut.
	No, she was going to tell you what she said.
	She said, I can't eat a donut because it's polluting the temple.
	Just prostitute.
	Pastor who said, if you drink water when you're supposed to be worshiping the Lord, then drinking water could be a sin.
	And I just want to ask you, Andrew, like, seriously, I have a serious question for you.
	Like, I know that you have problems with everyone's going to have a lack of education in the beginning when they find Jesus.
	But do you not want people to find Jesus?
	Then why are they calling themselves pastors?
	I'm not calling myself a pastor.
	I'm saying I don't know.
	They don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
	Why would you do that?
	You think that if Jesus saw someone who said, I love God and I want to turn away from sin, he would be like, you don't know enough?
	You mean Pharisees?
	Yeah, he did it all the time.
	No, he did not tell the Pharisees they didn't know enough.
	He told them that what they were doing was corrupt.
	Listen, I'm telling you right now that there's plenty of people who have false ministries who are running around saying they do.
	There's been women on this panel who I've tangled with.
	But you're not answering my question.
	My question is.
	I'm answering it directly.
	No, you're not.
	Yes, I am.
	They've said directly to me that they have visions from God and that they're prophets of God.
	I've heard that they've said it to me.
	So what do you want me to say to these people?
	My question is what do you want?
	What do you want?
	Like, do you want women to be degenerate or do you want them to turn their ways?
	What do you want?
	Well, I'm sorry.
	Again, I'm going to tell you, you can do both.
	It's not a bifurcation.
	It's not a, oh, I'm going to use Christianity as a shield while I preach a false gospel.
	That's a bifurcation.
	You could do both.
	You could both not be a prostitute and be a real Christian.
	Have you looked in the mirror, blonde, tubby?
	Girl one, pull your jacket up, she two, let's make up.
	The Bible is ambivalent towards alcohol, considering it both a blessing and potential danger from God.
	I do need shandy.
	Hey, Jeremy, thank you.
	Let me finish this up, though.
	Okay, quick point, though.
	I'm almost done.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, so back to this.
	You can do both.
	But don't tell me that just because you turned away from degeneracy 15 years ago and now you have a ministry as a female, that I'm not allowed to tangle with you theologically because I never was a prostitute.
	I don't get to say I was never a prostitute, so now I'm above criticism.
	But you're telling me that because they have stopped being prostitutes, now they're above me criticizing their theology.
	That's absurd.
	I don't think they're above you criticizing their theology.
	I just think that the way that you approach them from an outside standpoint, someone watching the podcast, it comes off hateful.
	It comes off hateful.
	That's just what I'm saying.
	I'm sorry about your emotional state.
	You'd have to talk to the thousands of people who it doesn't come off hateful to, but rather would prefer to see these people confronted because nobody's ever confronted them.
	And they get to just basically run around, do whatever the hell they want.
	There's never any ideological pushback at all.
	So what you're saying, but I just want you to let you know that this is what I hear.
	What I hear is, but they're not prostitutes anymore.
	So isn't that good enough?
	Yet, yet, interestingly enough, where's my extra credit for never having been a prostitute?
	I don't get any, and yet my theology can still be criticized.
	Isn't that interesting?
	But theirs can't be because they stopped sucking dick a few years ago.
	It's ridiculous.
	I think that you have fair game to criticize them.
	I think that that's totally fine.
	I've never been a prostitute either.
	All I'm saying is that I think for the health and well-being of the world, it would be great to be more welcoming to those people.
	That's all I'm saying.
	If you want to turn away, I think it's a great thing.
	Turn away.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah, that's a great first step.
	But that doesn't mean that now all criticism gets to fly by night.
	Doesn't mean that you get to pull a nala and do a, oh, I'm done with the OnlyFans.
	Well, that's fantastic.
	But when people say, okay, but where's the compensation to the thousands that you've wronged?
	How are you going to make amends for these horrific things that you did?
	Which even a court would have an expectation that you paid compensation for people you victimized.
	And yet somehow they can use this as a shield from criticism.
	Whereas those who've never engaged in such horrific activity get no additional credit for never having engaged in it.
	It's ridiculous.
	Got to move things on.
	Got to move things on.
	We have G.R. Gracie.
	Ladies, if certain segment of society predictably make illogical decisions primarily based on the motions, is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its leaders slash laws.
	Is the world better off if that segment of society chooses?
	Wait.
	Certain segment of society predictably make illogical decisions based on the motions.
	Is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its leaders and laws?
	Just busy sitting over here.
	We got a cookie.
	Why it's made for me.
	Get a donut, Andrew.
	You need a donut.
	Well, it's horrific.
	I'm going to wash it down with a beer, too.
	I mean, how dare I get a cookie and drink a beer and criticize a prostitute.
	Can I say something on that?
	I mean, I really need to pull the plank out of my own eye.
	You degenerate.
	Go ahead.
	Okay, all I'm saying is they, I don't know who they is.
	The devil is trying to keep you enslaved, right?
	So the more things that you're doing in your life that are going to keep you in a low vibrational, whether it's eating sugar, drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes, those types of things are going to keep you in a low vibration, and you're not going to be able to get closer to God when you're in that state.
	That's why Mormons don't allow you to have caffeine, right?
	Should we be at 96.8 hertz for our vibrations?
	I'm not trying to sound like a new age hippie at all.
	I'm just saying alcohol definitely brings you down to the third dimension, right?
	Third dimension.
	How many third dimensions are there?
	I don't know.
	Erroneous.
	Let me move on.
	You're not allowed to criticize theology, Andrew.
	After all, drinking beer brings you down to that third dimension, right?
	You're not going to be able to get closer to God doing those things.
	Okay, I know.
	I'll be down to the third dimension.
	Just give me quick answers on this one.
	If a certain segment of society predictably make illogical decisions, primarily based on the motions, is the world better off if that segment of society chooses its leaders and laws.
	If you're talking about if women should vote, I obviously think women should vote.
	I don't know if that's what the question is asking, but you can take it however you want.
	You can take it however you want.
	I'm going to choose to take it not in the context of women and say, why would we let a bunch of toddlers run the world?
	We wouldn't.
	So no.
	I think a lot of people still vote emotionally or like chooses their leaders based on emotions and like things.
	So no, I'd say like don't take like let them vote as well.
	Well, the question is, is the world better off if they get to choose who the leaders are and what the laws are?
	They already do.
	Everyone is a lot of votes, so I don't think that relationship should be.
	Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
	I think anybody affected by the law should be able to vote for the law.
	Yeah, anyone under the law should vote for a law.
	I agree.
	Everyone should vote.
	The world would not be better and they should not.
	I agree.
	The world would not be a better place.
	I think people should vote more logically, not emotionally.
	For those of you who said whoever's impacted by the law should be able to have a say, do you guys think that since women are in the privileged position of not being subject to forced military conscription, that they should not be able to vote on matters that have to do with any sort of scenario, voting for a war, for example?
	Yes.
	To go to war.
	Since women are not subject to forced military conscription, what do you say to that?
	Yeah, I feel like you should still be able to vote because it's like politicians deciding making laws for civilians who have to go to like public education.
	They didn't have to go to public education.
	Their kids don't have to be a bad person.
	Not really answering my question, but so do you think female politicians should be able to vote to, let's say, to vote to have a draft?
	Yeah, it doesn't.
	Even though the draft, only men are subject to.
	Politicians already make laws that have nothing to do with them.
	People vote on them that have nothing to do with them.
	So yes, it doesn't really make a difference.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Trying to think where we were.
	Can I say one thing?
	Go ahead.
	I think everyone should be drafted.
	Everyone should be subject to military draft.
	Subject to military.
	Yes.
	Everyone's going to war.
	So, Gina, you said, I mean, you kind of already talked about this.
	You said your primary disagreement with Andrew is that you said you disagree with much of what Andrew Wilson says and the way he says it.
	I think the tone argument, Andrew, I think you've already addressed it, correct?
	And also, what I say.
	It's how you say it.
	How I say it.
	Yeah, and since I wrote that, I actually watched Andrew's thing about his tone, and I'm fine with Andrew's tone.
	He can do what he wants.
	I still disagree with what he says.
	So you disagreed with the component of what he said about when it came to women being able to be part of the clergy under Christianity.
	No, I don't have, like, I'm not a clergy, so I don't have a fully informed person.
	Do you think it's like kind of a sexist Christian worldview for women to not be allowed to be clergy?
	I mean, I'd love for him to change my opinion on it, but I've been like looking at it in preparation for coming here and thinking about submission, and I don't really understand it, to be honest.
	Don't understand women being barred from being clergy, especially over other women.
	Like, if they could help other women, I don't understand.
	Well, I think he said that they can.
	Look, I'm not really an expert on this topic, but I'm just trying to clarify here.
	But so you do take issue with the clergy thing.
	I don't understand why a woman would not be able to be in clergy.
	Well, I think it's because the Bible says that I love the verse.
	Eric, here we go.
	1 Timothy.
	Okay, let's see.
	I do not allow women to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
	For it was Adam who first created then Eve.
	Not only that, but of course, we have, oh, I don't know, about 2,000 years of church history, which expresses that women are not allowed to be in clergy.
	Not only that, they are part of traditional, who aren't part of traditional Christianity.
	Also, many Protestant sects bar them from being clergy.
	They're not allowed to be clergy.
	They're not allowed to teach men.
	They must submit and obey.
	That's the part that you guys on that side of the real good, feel good, good vibrations Christianity don't like.
	Gives you third-dimensional, fourth-dimensional, bad vibes when patriarchal Christian authority comes out and is like, nah, you got to sit down and shut up because it's not your place to teach.
	They can make some real madsies right in their feels.
	Not really, not me.
	I've just never experienced a man that did that.
	Like, I don't, I didn't grow up in church.
	And I don't, I know a lot of women who are great leaders and teach other people.
	So I'm just confused.
	Like, I get the law.
	That's the Bible.
	Which ones?
	Which women are great leaders who lead other people?
	My boss.
	Can you name one that I would know?
	Name one.
	My bosses aren't famous.
	What do you want?
	My bosses aren't famous, but they're amazing leaders and they run the whole place.
	So I don't really see it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How about a famous one for me?
	What is it?
	I mean, I can't compete with your bosses, right?
	Because I don't know who they are.
	How about just naming one that I would know?
	Who's a great leader?
	Who's famous?
	Name a famous woman who you think is a great leader for me since there's so many of them.
	Go ahead.
	I would say Golden My Ear.
	Angela Merkel.
	I would say Golden My Ear was a great leader.
	She was the first female prime minister of Israel.
	And I think she was a great leader.
	I think she did a lot.
	What was one policy that she passed?
	She passed the policy to help women gain their rights in Israel.
	So it is a feminist policy, which I know you're all against.
	I can't name it.
	Yeah, you don't know.
	You don't know anything about her other than a leader in Israel.
	Angela Merkel was mentioned.
	Terrible leader.
	Absolutely opened up the floodgates for immigration into the EU.
	Terrible leader.
	Was at the forefront of trying to rage against what would later become Brexit as well.
	Terrible leader.
	So I don't know.
	Where are all these great female leaders?
	I'd like to know what they're doing.
	Well, they're in my personal life.
	Like, are you supposed to say that the people in my personal life?
	Let me move this on a little bit.
	Is there anything else besides the clergy thing that you're doing?
	Well, I'd love for, like, I don't, I just, I mean, maybe it's a personal off, like, camera subject, but I just, I still, I'm just not convinced.
	I just don't understand.
	About what?
	Why women can't be clergy.
	Okay, besides that.
	I just told you.
	Besides that.
	I just told you.
	The entirety of the classes bars them from putting it in examples that are.
	I just read you the letter between Timothy and Paul, where he was instructed that women must shut up and not teach.
	That is not their place ever.
	I understand.
	Those are ancient times, but also what about women who are teachers?
	Like, why should they shut up?
	Okay, you're shifting the goalposts.
	Women can teach kindergartners.
	They can teach high schoolers.
	Nobody's saying that they can't.
	We're talking about teachers.
	They just can't teach adults.
	No, he's talking about church.
	No, the God.
	Church.
	Yeah, I still think that women are able to teach it.
	I understand.
	The Bible says X. If the Bible says X.
	No, it says we're supposed to sacrifice animals.
	I don't know.
	Is this the Old Testament?
	Yes, it does.
	In Exodus, it says you're supposed to sacrifice animals.
	Do you think that we're Jewish?
	Because we're not Jewish.
	We're Christians.
	That would be the opposite of Jewish.
	We're not Jewish.
	We don't sacrifice animals.
	We follow the New Testament.
	It's the New Testament.
	We do not follow the Old Testament.
	That is Old Testament, right, Andrew?
	But in my opinion, that's cherry picking.
	That's cherry picking.
	You're saying the lives of all different religions.
	Hold on just a second here.
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	I'm not going to go there, but okay.
	All right.
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	Stay safe.
	Appreciate it, man.
	Okay, do you have any other criticisms besides?
	So just real quick to clarify, you can point to Abrahamic religions.
	Judaism is a different religion than Christianity.
	Muslims are different religions than Christianity.
	They're not the same religion.
	When you reference the Old Testament alone, you're taking away the entirety of the New Covenant.
	It has nothing to do with the people who have to do it.
	Jesus was the final sacrifice.
	We don't sacrifice him.
	That's what you think.
	The Bible says exactly what it says.
	Women are not equal to men, and you should be glad of it.
	Feminism has failed you.
	Please get some help.
	Jesus was the sacrifice.
	We don't sacrifice animals like heathens.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	I have one last thing to say.
	So let's say, because I'm just, I'm new to the idea of submission, okay?
	So let's say, yeah, I was raised Jewish.
	Okay, so wait.
	So let's say a woman, let's say a wife submits to her husband, does something that's like shady on her moral compass, but she does it because her husband says yes.
	Then she gets to God on Judgment Day and she says, but my husband told me to.
	Yeah, you have to submit within what is considered rational.
	But what if it's on the line?
	What if it's something very like if it's about money?
	I'm trying to explain it to you so that you understand.
	Submission still has to be within the confines of what's rational.
	We know it's rational because we have church teachings which explain it to us in an entirety of clergy and a community of support, which can help even if an irrational decision is attempted by a husband.
	You do need to submit, though, to what is rational.
	As you've seen going around this table tonight, there are women who would rather live in a forest with a bear.
	And even if a man came out to take them out of the situation, they wouldn't do it.
	That is irrational.
	That would be the opposite of submission to the patriarchy.
	So, yes, submission still needs to be within the confines of rationality.
	But as I've seen this table tonight, there's not that much of that to go around.
	I thought this was a podcast about dating.
	Yeah, but it also there's a section, since we've been talking about dating for hours, where people who are critics of ours can criticize.
	And so we take it on with the critics.
	You've talked plenty.
	There's no reason for us not to be able to engage on this topic.
	I'm not saying that.
	I was just curious how it was.
	Well, religion is one of the most hot-button issues, including when it comes to dating.
	People don't date outside of religion, for instance.
	They may not date outside of certain preferences.
	Religion is definitely key in as one of the hot-button issues when it comes to dating inside of the United States and the West.
	Do you have anything else that you disagree with, Andrew, on, that you wanted to touch on?
	Not right now.
	We can keep moving.
	Okay.
	Going to Ina over here.
	Ina, you said there's no such thing as 50-50 where you come from.
	Not even a question.
	Yeah.
	So what do you mean by that?
	Well, I mean, I just feel like if a guy wants to go 50-50, he just wants to be friends.
	And over in that part of the world, men literally buy their potential spouses cars and flowers and do all the things before they get married.
	So they choose their mate based on who kind of more monetarily brings them.
	Well, you're from Ukraine, correct?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And was that your experience, your personal experience in Ukraine?
	No, I mean, I came here as a kid.
	I was like five, so I grew up in America.
	But just knowing like women over there.
	But is your standard, are you holding men to this in the U.S.
	To this Ukrainian standard?
	I mean, I've never been asked to pay for a date.
	I actually had a guy kind of mock me in a way.
	He's like, oh, you want to pay?
	And I was like, I mean, okay.
	And he's like, no, like, got like really offended about it.
	Like, I'm not going to ask you to pay.
	He was just making fun of me.
	You object to 50-50, right?
	Yeah.
	Just going around the table really quick on this.
	Are you fine with 50-50 or you prefer a guy to be more provider, pay for first aids, pay for dates?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm down with 50-50.
	You're fine with 50-50?
	On a date, yeah.
	Completely okay, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	50-50, yeah.
	I think it should be 50-50 because you don't know each other a lot when you're first dating.
	So you seem to be an outlier here, Ina.
	So you are very strongly against 50-50.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the point of provide and protect.
	Men should be able to kind of demonstrate that they can provide and protect before you go any further.
	Just curious though, because I noticed when we were talking about the clergy thing, you seem to have a very strong negative reaction to this, what I assume to be your view of this sort of sexist standard against women being able to participate in the clergy under the Christian worldview.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, well, how I was raised, like my parents' church, there would never be women leaders.
	And I know people have left who grew up in the United States like me because they did not feel that it was correct that they couldn't lead.
	Good.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry?
	Did they go to better churches?
	No, I'm saying like the women left because they couldn't lead.
	And you think it was wrong.
	Oh, great.
	And you think it was wrong that the women were not able to participate in the clergy?
	You do.
	This is a hard one for me.
	Okay, do you view it as sexist?
	It's a hard one for me.
	I still think men should lead.
	But you seem to have lived in life and in general.
	Okay.
	I was just a little confused because you, on one hand, you have the seems like you have an objection or criticism of the whole.
	You seem to have been upset by Andrew's assertion that women can't be clergy.
	No, I don't, I mean, I don't necessarily, the way that I was raised, they cannot be clergy.
	But do you, do you take a quarrel with that?
	Do you feel it is unjust?
	I don't really, I don't really know how I feel about that, honestly.
	Do you think Jesus was a feminist?
	No.
	Are you sure?
	Do you think that he was like Buddy Christ, just like in dogma, where he was like, and he would do that, and he would be here for the selfies and feminism now?
	Or do you think that Christianity has always been run under a patriarchy and it has been since Jesus Christ's apostles ran his church and it was under a patriarchy?
	Like, which one do you think?
	I mean, I do agree that men should lead women.
	That's all I'm going to really say about that.
	Whether it comes to the church.
	I seem to remember that you had an objection to the.
	I'm afraid you're attempting to walk it back now because you know exactly what I'm leading you towards.
	You have an objection of this standard of, well, women should be able to be clergy, yet you have, which you view as sexist, but your view that men should be providers and should pay for first dates is a sexist view.
	You're holding men to a gender expectation.
	I mean, like, what are you saying that I was against what he said?
	Because I was kind of agreeing with what he was saying that women shouldn't be leaders.
	That's how I was raised.
	My personal feelings about it.
	It's hard in this type of world, but that's how I was raised: men should be the ones leading the church.
	Well, perhaps I'm misremembering, but it seemed like you did have an objection to the whole women can't be clergy thing under Christianity.
	No, I was agreeing with him more so.
	Like, I think I was nodding my head to you being one of the.
	Are you pro-choice?
	Pro-choice.
	No, I'm pro-life.
	Pro-abortion?
	No, I'm pro-life.
	No.
	And did that come from your parents too?
	No, I don't believe you should kill children, even if they're like, I don't, even if it's rape or incest or anything, I think the only time it's okay to kill is when the mom's life is at risk.
	Two times.
	Yeah.
	Was that part of your upbringing?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	So it sounds like your parents had at least a good foothold on what Christianity is supposed to be.
	Right?
	Yeah, well, my dad died in the Soviet Union because he refused to use a gun and shoot people at that time.
	So the Soviets put him in a coma for like two months.
	Was he an Eastern Orthodox?
	Many of them did that.
	I'm not sure.
	I think so.
	Well, if he was in the Soviet Union, I mean, he may not have been, but that was, that's a pretty, pretty common there.
	So, yeah, I was just curious.
	I do want to bring it back to, I think we went around the table on this.
	Were we talking?
	Did everyone give their answers to if you consider yourself a feminist?
	Really quick, just a reminder: show of hands.
	Who here is a feminist?
	Show of hands, raise them high.
	Okay, all right.
	So I just want to kind of get a better sense of that one.
	So, those of you who said you're a feminist, do you believe that there is a patriarchy?
	Starting with you?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Can you guys just tell me what the patriarchy is?
	Am I sorry?
	Yeah, just I'll always start over here.
	Oh, okay.
	Hierarchy of people in the order of how people in power are and who is looked at as someone who can have power and who cannot or who should not be given power.
	Does that make sense?
	I didn't explain that very well, but okay.
	What about you?
	I think the word gets overused, but my definition would be that the patriarchy is a societal structure where men are dominant and women are subordinate to men in their gender roles and their expectations and the positions of power that they have access to.
	Okay.
	I think the patriarchy has been how the world kind of came to be: men and being in power, women always being like, I won't use the words always, I feel like that's a very strong word.
	But women tend, like women usually being not as powerful as men in social structures, the hierarchy of power in like every scenario and like the family and work everywhere.
	Yeah, basically everything they said, it's a hierarchy that puts men in power.
	Okay, and so under this hierarchy, under this power.
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	Back to the bear.
	You can reason with man.
	You can't reason with a bear.
	Enjoy the bear.
	Do you think Brian and Andrew do this for a good reason?
	Don't you see the logic?
	Grid one motorsports, my bro?
	Thank you, Jeremy, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Good to see you in the chat, dude.
	You were a legend on Sunday show.
	So good to see you back.
	Really very much appreciate your patronage.
	So under patriarchy, which it seems like you guys assert that there is, it exists, it's a thing.
	Are women oppressed under the patriarchy?
	I'll start with you.
	It really depends under which one.
	Let's just say the U.S.
	The U.S., yes.
	Yes, okay.
	I think women have been, yes.
	Are they currently?
	Yes, in many, many situations, yes.
	Okay.
	I'll get all your answers first.
	What about you?
	In a lot of dimensions, yes, but I think that women in some dimensions do benefit from the patriarchy.
	I agree with everything they say.
	Okay.
	So under the patriarchy, then, if women are oppressed, are men the oppressors?
	Starting with you.
	Not necessarily.
	It's both genders doing the oppressing when we're under the patriarchy.
	Would it be a patriarchy then if it was.
	Well, yeah, because women can still oppress other women under a patriarchy.
	Like, for example, an anti-feminist with a feminist.
	That would be a question?
	Yeah.
	How would that be?
	Can I just make sure I get this right?
	Like an anti-feminist making anti-abortion laws, isn't that oppressing woman?
	How would that be oppressing women?
	Wait, Andrew, answer, or excuse me, ask your original question.
	Yeah, well, I just want to make sure, though, it can't be equal between men and women if they're ruling over you and be a patriarchy, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so it would still be women are being oppressed specifically by men.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And an entailment of feminism, you would agree, is that it's women who need to dismantle the patriarchy.
	Not necessarily.
	I'm not sure how I feel about that, but yeah.
	Well, if you have an oppressor and they're men and you don't want men to oppress you, then you are trying to strive to get rid of men oppressing you, right?
	Yeah, but I feel like the male gender could also help with dismantling the patriarchy.
	Yeah, I mean, they could, but they would be then male feminists, right?
	Yeah, which we have.
	Yeah, so the entailment of feminism is to dismantle the patriarchy, right?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Are men the oppressors?
	Are men the oppressors?
	Is that the question?
	Well, if women are oppressed, are the men the oppressors?
	They are part of the oppressors, yes.
	Men are the people in power, so they're the ones that the oppressors.
	But like she said, women can also uphold that structure.
	What about you?
	Yeah.
	Grid one motorsports donated $200 to me.
	I am the patriarchy.
	Feminism's purpose is to destroy the nuclear family and is anti-patriarchy.
	Feminism is the true oppression, and you have all been subjects of it.
	The patriarchy endures.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Grid One Motorsports.
	He is the patriarch, the patriarchy.
	So a couple of you answered to this question.
	Yes, women in the United States are oppressed in certain ways, a couple different ways.
	I'm curious to learn how.
	Starting with you.
	Well, one would be access to reproductive health.
	Okay.
	Anything else besides that?
	I'm sure the rest of the ladies can add on.
	Well, do you want to give me at least one more?
	One more would be the access to, I don't know.
	Huh.
	Do women have less spaces?
	Yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	Say that one more time.
	The access to safe spaces.
	Women have less access than men to safe spaces.
	Yeah.
	What are the safe spaces that men have access to that women don't?
	Well, a space where you wouldn't be.
	Like, for example, at the doctor's, men are a lot more safer than women.
	Like, when a woman is unconscious, she can legally get a, what's that thing called?
	A hysterectomy?
	No, I don't think that is.
	Where they, when you're unconscious and they check you for like a pop smear, basically they're getting into your genitalia while you're unconscious.
	They wouldn't do that to him yet.
	That's one type of thing.
	I think I've heard of it.
	Yes, they can.
	If you're unconscious at the doctor and you're a man and they need to fix you up, they most definitely can get into your genitalia.
	I don't know where you got the idea that they could.
	No, not if the issue doesn't have anything to do with your genitalia.
	They wouldn't get into it.
	Yeah, but if the issue has nothing to do with your genitalia for a woman, they won't get into your genitalia.
	That was my point.
	That was my point.
	It's, yeah, they can legally search it up.
	Fact check me.
	Yeah, but they can legally do it for both if there's a cause to go there for whatever the medical issue is.
	If you're unconscious.
	Point, but my only point was that they can do it and they do do it to women, even when there is no cause.
	I can give you a different example, though, which would be like the husband stitch.
	A lot of women, after they give birth, they'll get an extra stitch on their vaginal opening.
	That makes it so that sex is more pleasureful for their husband right after, which doesn't benefit the woman.
	If anything, it makes it a lot more complicated.
	I feel like I've never heard of it.
	I've never heard of it.
	Hang on, I'm just going to assume that it's true for a second.
	So, what?
	What if this is requested by the woman?
	But that's the thing.
	It's not requested by the woman.
	A lot of doctors do it without even asking the woman.
	That's dubious.
	That's it.
	I'm sure she's right.
	It's true.
	You're saying that there's a majority of women.
	I never said the word majority.
	I said there's a good amount of women who get that.
	It's called the husband's stitch.
	That's without their consent.
	Yes.
	This seems dubious.
	I would like to hear from perhaps a nurse or someone who's involved in the healthcare field.
	It can't be without your consent.
	This seems very dubious.
	No, because they're already stitching up.
	They just add an extra stitch.
	It's called a husband's stitch.
	You guys can see it.
	It also doesn't happen.
	The husband's stitch, also known as the daddy stitch, an outdated medical practice that involves an extra stitch during vaginal repair after childbirth.
	The procedure is not medically necessary.
	The idea behind the husband's stitch is it makes sex more pleasurable.
	It's only available on request.
	No, it's not.
	I know people who have had it.
	I have aunts who have had it.
	That's why I know that.
	Okay, so your aunts are a lot older than you, right?
	Yeah.
	I never said that.
	Okay, so could it be possible that this no longer.
	Hang on, so this could be possible that it no longer is standard operating procedure, even if it was for your aunts.
	Yeah, that's very possible that it's not as common anymore.
	Yeah.
	The husband's stitch is rarely performed in the United States.
	Healthcare providers should never perform it without a woman's consent.
	It goes against medical ethics.
	She just said she had a friend who's had it, so that kind of thing.
	I think that she's not telling us the truth.
	All of my friends haven't had it.
	Oh, now we have counter evidence, huh?
	Did they ask for it?
	No, it has been like a legal battle in between them, but like that has happened.
	And that was recent.
	But that is like obviously.
	Did not get the husband stitch.
	You're full of shit.
	It's basically never done unless it's on request.
	You made it up.
	It's an anecdote that you made up.
	You could never demonstrate your friend had the husband stitch and is in a legal battle.
	If you could do it, you know what?
	I'll tell you what.
	If you can demonstrate that you have a friend that you know who had the husband stitch against their will, I'll send you $250 right now.
	Call your friend up.
	I will not do it.
	I don't need to prove that.
	Yeah, but that's just odd.
	I have a question.
	I'm wondering what, Andrew and Brian, like what you guys think about the patriarchy.
	Well, hold on.
	I'm not done with my question, so we can perhaps answer that later.
	But I did want to go around.
	So you gave two examples of how women are oppressed.
	Can you give any other examples of how women are oppressed?
	I think in workspaces, sometimes at school.
	I feel like it's just like, I'm not sure if it's like, how can I put this into words?
	Like the oppression of, just like sometimes this like speech, like being having like fear of speaking up because you don't know how people react, keeping quiet in like workspaces, things like that, like how the system has like pretty much like created this, I don't know, like, how do I say this?
	Like, this like sphere, this like kind of bubble like pushes us down more than men.
	I feel like it's not encouraging to women to like step up sometimes and like just be more open and things.
	I feel like too much.
	By the way, Brian, I want to let you know, just an update on this.
	Conducting the husband stitch is considered malpractice.
	All doctors, other healthcare workers can be sued for performing this surgery.
	It's considered malpractice, literally considered malpractice.
	It is not a thing which women are subject to.
	Even with consent, it would be malpractice.
	Unless it's with specifically a woman's consent, which in that case, why would they have a problem with it?
	Right.
	Okay.
	So women feeling like they can't openly speak or that would be oppression.
	But that would be how you feel.
	Like I'm looking for something a bit more concrete.
	I could also change the question a little bit.
	What is a right that men have that women don't?
	Because I mean, feminism fights for women's rights.
	It's not clear to me if there's any rights that men have that women don't.
	I don't think it's necessarily rights.
	I think it's more of like being treated equally.
	Are women not treated equally?
	Not really.
	Could I answer this?
	So I looked at, I was researching about the origins of patriarchy, which is a system.
	So patriarchy, it started back when they were making civilization.
	And men who had, well, people who had the most wealth were people who could get the most food.
	And that was men.
	So men were able to.
	Men have a faster metabolism.
	No, no, no, no.
	Well, men were getting the most food for their civilization.
	So they were getting the most wealth.
	I have it on my phone.
	They still are.
	Yeah, I know.
	They still are.
	I know.
	Yeah.
	So I'm just saying, just let me finish my point.
	So patriarchy is a system that's been started ever since then.
	But feminism is sort of like the way to catch up.
	So back in the day, women could not vote.
	Women could not do a lot of the things.
	Neither could men.
	For the vast majority of all human history, neither men or women could vote.
	That's correct.
	There's a very, very small, comparatively speaking, a very small portion of history where men were able to vote and women weren't.
	But if you look at the whole scale of human history, neither people could vote.
	Okay.
	It would either be you'd have a monarch or there would be like this royalty or there was a period where it'd be property owners.
	Sure, okay.
	So in the United States, the first feminist was like Abigail Adams.
	She said, if we don't get the same rights, like a rebellion is going to happen, basically.
	She wrote that to her husband.
	And so patriarchy is a system.
	Feminism is like a movement.
	So I do think that the feminists in the past have done a lot and we've gotten a lot of our rights.
	And they're bound by law.
	That was not the first feminist at all.
	Not even close.
	No, also, Plato was the one who said, can I continue, please?
	Plato wasn't going to do that.
	But hang on, let me correct this.
	Dua directly contradicted this.
	When you're talking about the first wave feminists, which came out of Russia, especially their idea was a female.
	I was talking about in the United States, and I could back that up by research.
	I was talking about in the United States, by multiple research, I could back that up.
	That Abigail Adams was the first person to be aware of.
	Okay, no, that's not even true.
	But I hear what's happening.
	My point is, is that patriarchy is a system.
	Feminism is a movement.
	So feminism has caught females up to males to a certain point, but there's still underlying things that are still happening.
	And I don't think that females are oppressed.
	I don't call myself a feminist.
	I think that we have gained all our same rights.
	I do think that patriarchy is still a system that still has its underlying layers in the way that we govern ourselves.
	I do want to just point out one thing when it came to the right to vote, and this is speaking within the United States.
	Only a 50-year period passed between the ratification of the 15th Amendment, which gave all men the right to vote in 1870, and the 19th Amendment in 1920.
	So, 50 years.
	There's only 50 years in America that all men could vote, that women could not.
	Jeremy says, Do you know how many DV shelters are accessible to men in the U.S.?
	Zero.
	We need to bridge the gap to make progress.
	I don't want my daughter to live in a world like this.
	Plato, he F Plato, he'd be dead.
	I'm assuming.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Jeremy.
	Appreciate that.
	Really quick.
	Just going around the table, I think I was asking the question: how are women oppressed?
	Can I ask a question?
	Okay.
	What's your motive in asking us this?
	Because we want to probe the worldview to see if we have potential disagreements with your worldview.
	Okay.
	I mean, I think it's pretty obvious that at least you and I don't agree on a lot of things, but that's fine.
	I would say that the traditional view of feminism that many people have, that the idea is a movement for women to have the same rights to be viewed as equal to men in the eyes of society would be like a pretty generic view of feminism.
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	I think that I saw one of those comments pop up on the screen that was talking about how men don't have access to, I think it was DV shelters, I think they make domestic violence.
	Yep.
	And I think that's a really good point.
	I think that there's plenty of ways that men, I think oppressed would be a strong word to use, considering that we're looking at this in the context of the patriarchy.
	But I would say that there's plenty of ways that men are underrepresented and that men could use a little bit of help in maybe the eyes of society or the law or however you want to say it in terms of gender roles in society.
	I think that there's unfair expectations that are placed on men and women as well.
	I think that women have been systematically oppressed since the beginning of time.
	If you want to argue with me on that, I could argue on that.
	I could argue with it.
	Why would you argue with me on that?
	Because the whole thing with feminism is trying to look at the issues that women have.
	And I think for the longest period of time, men didn't really take a thorough analysis of the ways in which they were disadvantaged.
	But feminism has sort of opened the floodgates because when you start looking at, okay, well, here's the way that us women have it worse, and men are to blame, by the way, and it's men's fault, then men are going to start to want to make, to assert potential counterclaims to your positions.
	And then men are going to start to look and say, well, if we're going to start to look at everything through this prism, this lens of gender, then we're going to also look, because feminism is playing a comparison game.
	It's saying women have it worse than men.
	So if you put that out there into the ether, into the universe, it then opens up men to say, well, hold on, let's actually do an analysis on the ways in which we don't have it so great.
	So for example, I mean, you often hear things about the wage gap, reproductive rights, although that doesn't really occur to me to be a gender thing because men have absolutely zero reproductive rights.
	Women have far more reproductive rights compared to men.
	But you start looking at these things and then men can start looking at: okay, well, what are the sort of Gendered negative life outcomes for men.
	And we look at things like grid one motorsports donated $200.
	Feminists have been supporting the fact that men are better women than actual women are.
	How can you support this?
	Women are being oppressed by women who hate men and want the world to burn better.
	So just to finish my point here, so thank you, good one.
	Appreciate it.
	So if men start to actually make an analysis of the negative life outcomes that they have, you can look at, for example, men are more likely to delete themselves.
	They're less likely to get higher education.
	They're less likely to go to college.
	You go to UCSB, right?
	What's the gender breakdown there?
	I think it's probably 60-40.
	Now, back in the day, it was evidence of sexism that there were more men going to university than women.
	Now that's completely flip-flopped.
	There's more women going to universities than men.
	Are you prepared to argue that that's evidence of sexism towards men?
	I would suspect not because anytime women become overrepresented in some area, that is still equality in the eyes of women.
	It's never inequality if it's 80% of women are in this desirable workfield.
	That's never viewed as for sexist reasons towards men.
	There's some other examples here.
	Men are more likely to die in war.
	They're forced into war.
	They're more likely to die on the job.
	They're more likely to be incarcerated.
	They're more likely to be victims of police misconduct and police killings.
	They're more likely to be homeless.
	There's a whole bunch of other scenarios.
	And in fact, immediately upon birth, if we look at within the first 24 hours of birth, men are immediately have their genitals mutilated.
	That's an instant.
	Are you talking about circumcision?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, you laugh at it, but it actually is a barbaric practice.
	Oh, sure.
	You're right.
	I haven't viewed it that way before, but yeah, most women are the ones who are opting to have their male sons have their genitals mutilated.
	But there's all kinds of things.
	I'm going to call that the mother's stitch, maybe.
	Almost all men in the United States have circumcision, and the reasons are dubious at best.
	I'm not in favor of it, but I'm not really, we don't have to get into a circumcision conversation.
	So, I mean, I mean, didn't that initiate, like, a lot of the things you mentioned are kind of initiated by men, though, right?
	I mean, not the circumcision thing, but so women were the ones that first started circumcision from the Bible.
	Well, actually, you know, it's funny when it comes to female genital mutilation in some of these other countries, it's not something that's in the U.S.
	But it's actually women that tend to uphold that specific tradition against other women.
	So you're about to make a but it's men's fault argument.
	So are they less victims because the perpetrator of the cause of this is because they're men?
	No, I wasn't about to say that.
	I feel like it's like the opposite.
	Like women will, like, remember how I mentioned that earlier, that women uphold the patriarchy.
	Like, that kind of goes with my point.
	Like, if a woman is mutilating another woman's genitalia, it's because of like patriarchy at the end of the day.
	Wait, it's, it's.
	Okay.
	Anyways, so to kind of put the final point in what I was saying here, I'm actually prepared to just disregard actually most of my points that I made and focus in on just one.
	So you said from the beginning of time, women have been oppressed and men haven't.
	Oh, I knew you were going to bring up this one.
	Okay, that was a really big blanket statement that you could probably poke holes in all you wanted.
	I think that, sure, maybe that was a bit of like an absolute.
	I think that the issues that women face in society, and you're right, this whole idea of feminism exists in this comparative to men who has it worse.
	And I think that there is a lot of issues with the modern take of feminism.
	I think that it's, it hasn't gone too far, I would never say that, but I think that we've lost sight of really what the goal was supposed to be and that it should be a basis of equity and not equality.
	And really, what are the rules, what are the things that are facing men, what are the issues that are facing women, and how can we support both?
	It's not a matter of putting down men to bring up women or saying that all men suck and trying to vilify one gender or the other.
	Well, let's just go back to the bear thing.
	You guys all would rather be in a forest alone with a bear than with a man.
	Not all of you, but most of you answered that way.
	Isn't that sort of vilifying men to say that any given random man is more dangerous than a bear?
	I think after our hour and a half conversation, I reconsidered the way that I was looking at the scenario, and I wouldn't necessarily use the same logic that Andrew was talking about now.
	I think maybe I would reconsider my answer.
	Okay.
	I'll just say one last thing then.
	So just going back all throughout history, I would argue that the burdens placed on men, and this actually comes down to one sole male-specific grievance.
	I think that all feminist arguments about oppression are dead on arrival.
	In fact, men have been more oppressed than women, and here's precisely how.
	So all of women's collective grievances fall flat in the face of just one sole male grievance, and that's forced military conscription.
	So you think that men are more oppressed than women because they are subject to being forced to fight in a war?
	So I'm putting aside all the other male grievances that I've listed, and there's quite a few, and they're quite significant.
	Not just for fighting a war, they can be pressed into conscription for anything which is voted in by prescription of Congress to draft them for.
	It could be a war.
	It could be some other national effort.
	We don't know.
	We've never seen the full extent of it implemented in law, but it's actually quite broad.
	So, I mean, yes, throughout all of human history, yes, I would argue that that sole male-only grievance is bigger than all of the women's collective grievances combined.
	Okay, let me ask you.
	I'm a little bit baffled.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, what's a bigger grievance, not being allowed to vote, or the death of 20 million men?
	I think that you're kind of quantifying it in a weird way.
	Well, I'm playing the feminist game here.
	Feminism is a comparison.
	Feminism is a comparison game.
	Women have it worse than men.
	And here I am giving you pushback and saying, well, hold on, let's look at this dimension that is a gendered thing, this gendered expectation that men can be forced to go die in some war, go and die in some trench.
	Like, I can see how as a man, I would probably not be a fan of the draft because I wouldn't want to die.
	I think the fact that you think that men are somehow more oppressed than women, I also, you're going back to this idea that feminism is innately a comparison game.
	It is.
	How could it not be?
	In your opinion, the way that you're defining feminism, and if you'll want to try to say that I'm not a feminist from your logic game, that's fine.
	In your world, you could say I'm not a feminist or whatever if that's the type of path that you're trying to lead me down.
	But the thing is that you certainly are.
	But the thing is that I was emphasizing that I think that feminism needs to evolve to continue on with the same goal that I think women had in mind, or at least the goal that I had in mind, which is equity, not equality.
	I'm a little confused what's equity?
	What would be an example of equity?
	So the way I learned about it is that there could be a series of boxes.
	And so do you know what I'm talking about?
	Where in this sense, equity would be measures to have women have the same rights in the eyes of society and also men.
	So the ways that women and men would be upholded would be in different ways.
	I'm saying that this view of feminism that women need to somehow now have it better off than men, or that some women would say that women continue to have it worse than men would be in this guise that it's a comparative structure.
	What I'm saying is that the whole idea of comparison is pinning the sides against each other.
	It's not about that.
	It's about seeing each other for what we really need.
	Can I just interject and just ask one quick clarifying question?
	Assume for a second the draft tomorrow was expanded to women and you were drafted.
	Would you go?
	I don't want to fight in a war and I'm not saying that men want to fight in a war either.
	I know that there was a whole lot of.
	Would I go fight in a war?
	Yeah.
	No, I don't think I would be very good in combat.
	I also don't want to die selfishly.
	Did you have a follow-up, Andrew?
	Or I have some.
	No, no.
	I just wanted to get that clarified real quick.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, when it comes to this whole military conscription thing, what would be the feminist equity perspective on the current state of things when it comes to equity and the fact that men are only subject to military conscription?
	I'm not going to say that I have an answer, but I would say that if women are against fighting in a war and being subject to the draft, and you're using a feminist agenda to try to uphold that, it would be a kind of a weak argument.
	It would have holes in it because you would say, well, if you think that women and men are equal, then get on the battlefield with them.
	But I think that men also love to uphold the idea that part of the gender expectations that are held upon them is that they are the protectors and they are physically stronger.
	And so if you're physically stronger and you want to protect me, then go do it.
	Well, what if a man doesn't want to be drafted?
	That doesn't really change the fact that in the event of a draft, he would be drafted.
	Can I ask something?
	What's up?
	I don't know the historics of it.
	Like, how is that?
	How did it come to be?
	What do you mean?
	Like, drafting people and everything like that.
	Okay, I mean, I think I could take a crack at this, but I mean, throughout all human history, different tribes warred with each other.
	And if you were a man and you were able-bodied, they would put a spear in your hand and say, you're going to defend the tribe.
	Otherwise, they're going to take our land.
	They're going to take our women.
	They're going to commit atrocities against our civilian population.
	So I would imagine it just goes way back into human history: there's warring tribes, there's different.
	Well, I would actually even go a step further and just grant, I think, what you're angling at, which is I think the patriarchy brought us the draft.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That it was a system of patriarchy which brought us the draft here in the United States.
	Do you guys disagree with that?
	Or was that kind of where you were going with that?
	No, that's so valid.
	Yeah, yeah, totally, right?
	So I got to ask you a question.
	How in the world could we ever repeal any of these things which the patriarchy have imposed upon us without appealing again to another patriarchy to do so?
	You can't.
	You can't.
	Which means that grid one is correct, and patriarchy is inevitable.
	What's your other version of a different patriarchy?
	Like a matriarchy?
	What could you appeal to, which was not a patriarchy and would not become a patriarchy by necessity, in order to overthrow a patriarchy?
	I've never been here to necessarily overthrow the patriarchy.
	think that's kind of a combative way of looking at the whole situation and i've i've seen models of a matriarchy well i don't i don't think so So, for instance, let's say you passed laws.
	You would say that you would pass laws in order to get rid of this nefarious patriarchy, right?
	I didn't say that.
	Okay, but I don't understand then.
	How would you replace a patriarchy?
	You keep saying I want to replace the patriarchy.
	I never said that I wanted to replace the patriarchy.
	Okay, so then can you answer my question of how you would be able to replace a patriarchy, even if you don't want to, absent appealing to a patriarchy?
	I don't think that I necessarily have the answer to that question.
	Yeah, because nobody has an answer to that question, because you necessarily will always create a new patriarchy, no matter what.
	You have to appeal to the thing which you're trying to dismantle in order to dismantle the thing.
	That's why it's cyclical.
	It can't ever really work.
	So you're saying that men are systematically superior to women?
	In the domain of force application, yes.
	And they are 100% superior to women in every single way almost when it comes to force application.
	Like strength.
	Well, not just strength, but any force application, be it machinery, guns, any of these things, are going to be inherently superior because they are stronger and have larger skeletons.
	Wait, I did want to go.
	Oh, go ahead, Andrew.
	So essentially, I'm just saying that the reason that this, to me, has always been circular logic is because I cannot ever seem to get an answer of how you would dismantle a patriarchy without appealing to a patriarchy, thus creating a new patriarchy in order to dismantle the old one.
	What are your thoughts on a matriarchy?
	I'm just curious.
	They're non-existent.
	They can't actually exist because of this force applicator.
	No, a theoretical matriarchy.
	They can't even theoretically exist, I don't think, because of the force applicator.
	So as long as there's men in the society, they're always going to have a monopoly on force application.
	Because that's true, I don't think a matriarchy is actually logically possible unless you were in some really lopsided situation.
	Like, I don't know, you had 10,000 women and like 100 men.
	I think that that might be possible.
	But even then, I'm not sure.
	You know, I'm not even sure then.
	But I don't think it's logically possible inside of general societies to have matriarchal systems.
	Do you think that I lost my train of thought, but you think that a matriarchy in theory just wouldn't work because women, like in order for a society to operate on a functional basis, you would need force, strong force operation to be.
	Yeah, you have to have force applicators in order to enforce the law of the land.
	So in other words, if there's a criminal and you want him punished, there has to be big, burly, strong guys who take his ass to court, throw him in prison, and guard him at night.
	And there has to be big, strong men around to guard you at night with guns from other men who might hurt you.
	So, yeah, absent the force applicator, I don't see how it could ever work.
	I can see what you're saying.
	Yeah, I got one question.
	I didn't really get a straight answer on this.
	So, what would be the equitable thing when it comes to the current state of the military, the draft?
	I don't have a strong answer.
	I would say that in the guise of the patriarchy, men, if they are in fact the superior force and they are viewed in their gender.
	From the feminist worldview.
	From the feminist worldview.
	Oh, oh, if I were to propose something to unoppress the men?
	No, I'm just let's assume that a draft is required.
	Like, you can't get rid of a draft.
	There is a draft, yeah.
	Like, the United States has a draft.
	Right.
	So, I mean, I don't know if I'm oversimplifying this, but I mean, the immediate answer that comes to my mind is you would simply equalize the draft.
	Women and men are subject to military conscription.
	Right, that would be the automatic answer would be that both men and women would be subject to being in the army.
	But under your whole thing with feminism being for equity, would that be equitable for both men and women to be subject to military conscription?
	I would say not necessarily.
	Also, you're taking the way that I defined feminism and you're creating this whole idea that I'm defending feminism to the ends of the earth under the guise of its definition as it exists now.
	And that's not what I said.
	I said that I was actually criticizing some of the elements of feminism.
	I said I don't think it should be a comparative structure.
	But I'm just a little bit confused.
	So, like, do you think that women should be allowed to vote?
	Do I think that the sky is blue?
	Of course, I do.
	Right, and I'm in favor of women voting, but it's interesting to me that you immediately say, yes, women should be allowed to vote, but you can't really give me a straight answer on if it's equitable for women to be subject to military conscription the same way that men are.
	Well, I did tell you, I said that if men want to say that in a society, they are the ones that are the protectors.
	They're the providers, they're physically stronger.
	Under feminism, we don't really say that, do we?
	I wouldn't say that we do because I think in feminism, people don't like to necessarily buy into evolutionary roles because I would say that it's limiting.
	I don't think the evolutionary roles are necessarily the way that we must live in society.
	I think that's a little bit archaic.
	But, like, in some ways, I think that it is useful to look at it through that lens when we look at the innate strengths of men and women.
	But the thing is that at this point in society, that's not, I wasn't put on this earth to make babies and cook at home or whatever, or be a gatherer per se, and that men are going to be hunters.
	That's not the way that I was raised, at least.
	Were you put here to cure cancer?
	No, I don't know.
	I think she has a point that then, once we get to this point where women have our rights, we're educated, we're, you know, we all have to do it.
	So, if women weren't put here to be what?
	Just say what you said again?
	To be baby makers and gatherers.
	Right.
	And men weren't put here to be disposable parts of the military-industrial complex and just be define it in the same way.
	Hold on.
	Don't be mad.
	No, I'm being, I'm to be just put through the meat grinder of war.
	Well, if you were to parallel the logic you're saying and you're saying women are baby makers and gatherers, men would be providers and hunters.
	And protectors.
	And part of that entitlement.
	Hang on, hang on.
	How can you say that they're not?
	Men provide the food.
	Overwhelmingly, they provide basically all of it, in fact.
	Women provide almost none of it.
	Men provide all the infrastructure.
	How are they not providing and gathering?
	Seems like that's exactly what they're doing.
	I don't know anywhere.
	In every household, I don't know if that's true.
	Now that feminism has like you can buy the food, but it's made by men.
	Like they're in the farms and they're in their houses?
	Yeah, who do you think is making all the food?
	Do you think there's a bunch of women out there with hose and they're going, ooh, and they're hiking up the cabbage?
	Like, what do you think is going on out there?
	Well, not only is it majority men in agriculture, how do you get the food from point A to point B?
	Men are overwhelmingly, for example, truck drivers.
	I don't think that anyone has.
	But let me double down a bit on this.
	And then how do trucks run?
	Well, they run on oil.
	Men are overwhelmingly the ones who are, for example, in the oil industry.
	Who takes care of your children?
	I don't see how that's really important.
	Well, generally, not their mother, unfortunately.
	I'm going to answer your question.
	Generally, the mother is not taking care of the children at home, which is the most optimal system because feminism has demanded that women go into the workplace in order to have these crazy social safety nets.
	So we actually outsource the raising of our children to strangers.
	That seems less than optimal to me.
	But who are those caregivers typically?
	Are they men or are they women?
	Generally speaking, women are doing the same jobs that they've always done.
	Yes.
	So they're in teaching roles in the service industry.
	That's basically what they mostly do.
	And I don't even see why there's necessarily a problem with that.
	It's fine for your child, I guess, to go to school and kindergarten, have a kindergarten teacher.
	But I think that outsourcing your childcare for the purpose of you going to work is a less than optimal system.
	That seems to be something which is far more oppressive to women than any of these systems that you've cited.
	Well, this was a system designed by men, so maybe you should talk to the men about why women have to go and work.
	It has not been.
	Women, since they've had egalitarianism, have been able to vote on these systems and have definitely had their input and have reformed how these systems operate absent patriarchy.
	That's not true that women have no say now and that this is a patriarchal system.
	Women, by and large, they vote almost as much as men do.
	I wasn't talking about political power necessarily.
	Well, I mean, even in the middle of the year.
	Even though, I mean, look at the ratio in Congress.
	I mean, like, it's pretty obvious who's in power.
	How is that obvious?
	Just look at the numbers.
	You love to look at numbers.
	Yeah, but the systems themselves are not just designed by Congress, but by lobbyists, by women inside of educational systems.
	There's all sorts of pull and thrust because now women are political pawns because they can vote, right?
	Sure, I guess you could say that.
	I wouldn't reduce women down to political pawns.
	Well, I mean, but your overlords in Congress would, wouldn't they?
	They would, wouldn't they?
	Yeah, they would.
	They would.
	So that's how they are viewed, men and women, as just being a demographic of voting pawns.
	Are men political pawns in the same way, yet they have to go into the draft?
	Yeah, men have also been political pawns.
	That's correct.
	But when it comes to the draft, there's no real way around it because you cannot have a fighting force which is equipped by mostly not men and have it be effective.
	There's no good way around that.
	Well, then how is it oppression, to your point?
	What do you mean?
	Well, it would be oppression because there's no additional privilege that comes with the expectation.
	Whereas in the reverse, that would never be the case.
	What sort of privilege do you think that women would have absent an expectation?
	I'd love to know what it is.
	Can you give me an example?
	Yeah, like men have to go and get drafted and go fight in wars.
	Women do not.
	What is the privilege that men get for having that responsibility?
	What's the privilege that women get for bearing the children, getting to stay at home?
	The government does a huge privilege.
	First of all, first of all, hang on, I'll just answer directly.
	Yeah, that seems like a huge privilege.
	Okay, well, I'll take my privilege and you can go out on the battlefield as a man.
	Okay, so I guess all that equity was just bullshit.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, then I thought that's what we wanted was equity.
	Does it sound like we have that tall box so that we have that equity that you're talking about so we can both see over the same fence?
	Look, I'm not saying that the draft, the draft would be probably one of the more contentious points that you could bring up when it talks, when you talk about gender roles.
	I don't want to bring up reproductive rights because I know that y'all would love to destroy me on that one.
	But women die in childbirth and also child rearing.
	Yeah, but it's rare.
	It's rare that women die.
	They die after abortions, too.
	Okay, respectfully, I'm not going to get into that whole thing.
	My point is that child rearing is not, I would say that the roles that women take in society are not necessarily as valued as the roles that men take.
	Why should they be?
	What do you mean?
	I just asked you a direct question.
	You said that women's value in society is not as valuable as men.
	Why should it be?
	That could be the case that it is.
	Under the eyes of equity, it should be.
	Yeah, but you just got done saying you don't care about equity because I never said that I didn't care.
	Well, then I don't understand.
	If it's a privilege for you to stay at home, but not a privilege for me to fight a war, how's that equity?
	I don't think that it's an innate privilege for me to get to stay at home.
	In that context, I could have the privilege of my safety.
	You don't.
	It's not.
	You have the privilege of walking home at night and not being afraid that you're going to get attacked.
	Hang on, hang on.
	How is it not a privilege to have somebody else providing for you while you stay at home?
	Because I'm raising kids, and so they're providing.
	What if you're not raising kids?
	Well, if I'm not, then sure, then I should go be a productive member of society.
	But if you're going to sit here and try to...
	Because if you're staying at home and your hubby's taking care of you and he can be drafted and you cannot be drafted, how's that equity?
	Because there's other responsibilities that I would have as a woman.
	What?
	Well, under the societal structure, if you're saying that that's that expectation, I'm not saying that women should have to go and be child bearers if they don't want to.
	But if you're going to look at the patriarchy and you're going to analyze gender roles to try to justify the draft or whatever it is, then...
	Yeah, but how is it not a privilege?
	Again, back to the question, how is it not a privilege for you to be able to stay at home and raise no children at all?
	And he is still subject to the draft and you are not.
	How are you not privileged and how is that not equity?
	How is that equitable in any way?
	Well, women can still go to war.
	They're just not obligated to.
	And yeah, so that wouldn't be equity with me.
	So, well, let me finish.
	You're right.
	Under this argument, that would be the case.
	But I just, like, I don't know.
	You're right.
	I have a hard time with this one because you are subjecting men and not women.
	But the thing is that who created the draft?
	I'm pretty sure that it was men.
	Like, why were they not subjecting women to go away?
	But why were they not subjecting women to the draft earlier then?
	Because women are over in the workforce.
	Because women are ineffective soldiers.
	Okay, well, then go be an effective soldier.
	Let me add another argument to that.
	So on a macro level, for example, if a society were to send large swaths of young, fit women, able-bodied women, to war, let's say it's civilization, women, you need women to be able to perpetuate the population.
	So a man can impregnate a thousand women, but a woman can only be pregnant with one child at any given time.
	So on the macro level, it does make sense from that component.
	Like if the society is like, okay, we're going to send 20 to 30, 40, 50% of our able-bodied work citizenry, and that same cohort of people, if it was women, would be the most fertile too, at least from a historical perspective.
	From that sense, it would make more sense to send men because you'd be better able to replenish the population of a society.
	And so with that logic, then is it innately just a privilege for women to not be subject to that, given your logic that men would be more effective?
	Not anymore.
	Right.
	Well, then, yeah.
	Yeah, how would it not be?
	How would it not be that you're privileged just because you cannot form a task as effective as somebody else, therefore you get some bonus that they don't get?
	That's the opposite of equity.
	I see what you're saying.
	I still don't agree that it's innately a privilege because you're kind of going with this logic.
	It's the opposite of equity.
	How could it be anything other than the opposite of equity to say because you cannot perform the task as well that therefore these people do, but it's equitable because of that?
	That makes no sense.
	Because in your view, society would be upheld in that sense because you're not safe.
	Yeah, but I'm a patriarchist.
	You're the feminist.
	Well, you're pitting us against each other in a way that's really just not productive.
	Like, I'm trying to understand what you're saying, and you're just trying to.
	I'm going to explain it to you so that you understand.
	So it's fine for you to do an internal critique.
	I'm fine with that.
	But I'm doing one as well.
	My worldview is that I believe in patriarchy.
	I'm a patriarchist.
	So I believe that men deserve to have additional privileges that women do not deserve to have because of the force applicators society relies on that men bring to the table.
	You as the feminists believe instead that there should be equity between both sexes.
	That's fine.
	You can say that you believe that there should be equity.
	But when I show you a significant problem where equity really can't exist, you just kind of shrug it off.
	And I don't really understand that.
	Well, so you think that, and I really hate the idea that we're going to pigeonhole women to just being childbearers or think they contribute a lot more to society than just that?
	You're right.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	They can't produce anything more valuable than children.
	Well, yeah, so if you want to talk about the things that are really special to women, really special to men, then you could boil it down to that if you want to simplify it.
	But I think that this idea that women get the privilege of safety, the women get the privilege of safety, but also there's a variety of tasks that would be required of them if they were to be raising children.
	Yeah, but the government, the government does not compel any given woman to have children.
	You could go through your entire life and just choose to never have children.
	That's actually not true, depending on the state you live in.
	If you're, what states may force you?
	There's a lot of states that have the anti-war system.
	She's saying that there are states that won't allow you to force if she got to be able to do that.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But the states did not force you to open your legs.
	Think that it's funny that the way you're looking at brute force and or what is it called force application and men sacrificing their lives and their safety to go to war, but you're not viewing women's role in the same way.
	You're not looking at it that men get the privilege to not be responsible for children and the upkeep of that.
	How do they get the privilege of not being responsible?
	If you have a child tomorrow with a man, you're not responsible because you would be providing.
	Hang on, hang on, I'm going to explain so that you understand because I'll look at it through your worldview.
	Tomorrow, if you got pregnant in a state where abortion was legal, does a man have any say at all on whether or not you abort in California?
	No.
	No, he does not.
	So if you have a child, that is 100% your choice, absent him, but he is still responsible based on your choice for rearing the child or not rearing the child.
	So even if you choose to have the kid, he still has to pay child support.
	Nobody's letting him off the hook.
	That does sound like it's equity because it's based on your choice.
	In this case, this is compelled.
	This is not based on choice.
	So if that is true and you do not have that, I do not understand how that could be equitable.
	Well, I don't think that, first of all, I would say that California would be more progressive in that sense in terms of the feminist agenda, per se, if that's how you want to put it.
	In other states, that's not necessarily the case.
	Women are not allowed to have an abortion freely in the same way that they could travel to another state.
	Well, wouldn't you say that that's not really.
	Even then, okay, hang on, hang on.
	Even then, though, right, in all of the states where abortion is legal, does a man have a say in whether or not a woman can have one or not?
	They're the ones that are making the laws typically, and they are restricting women's access to abortion.
	No, they're not.
	Women also make laws and vote on law.
	Yeah, and I'm not for that.
	It's all men who are voting on these laws.
	They most certainly are not.
	It's women in the context of the patriarchy, though.
	Might as well be a man at that point.
	Okay, so even if it's the patriarchy who is giving you abortion rights, we'll just grant it for the sake of argument.
	Is there a single state which you can be in where a man can that has abortion, which is legalized, where a man can tell you, no, you can't go abort that child?
	A male citizen could not directly prevent me from getting an abortion under the guise of.
	So then it's going to be your choice.
	And if it's going to be your choice, and the man is still held responsible for child support, this type of thing, that at least sounds like it has, even from your worldview, equity.
	But how in the world can you say that there's equity in a draft?
	How could that be equitable?
	I'm not going to repeat myself because clearly my argument to you is not compelling.
	I can move things on a little bit here.
	It's just interesting to me.
	It would be so easy to just say, yeah, equality would be both men and women being subject to military conscription, but it seems like you aren't really prepared to propose that.
	That's why I use the word equity instead.
	And you don't have to be for that.
	And the whole point of equity is that you're not equal in every context.
	That's the whole point.
	And so in the context of force application, men and women are not equal.
	You said it yourself.
	So to each according to their own and from each according to what they can give?
	That's not what you said.
	Is that what you mean by equity?
	In terms of gender roles or like on the basis of individual differences?
	Gender roles.
	Yes.
	Do you want to repeat it, Andrew?
	So, communism?
	Don't put words in my mouth.
	That's not what I say.
	Andrew, that's literally what that is.
	To each according to what they can give, and from each according to what they can give.
	That's communism.
	Literally.
	I think you're oversimplifying my Marxist doctrine.
	I mean, it's not verbatim.
	I'm paraphrasing it, but that's Marxist doctrine.
	Any tankies at the table?
	I would love to hear from the women that seem that they're communists.
	I do feel like there's, it's really hard to know.
	Like, we can only be one gender, so it's very hard to do.
	I just want to read this verbatim.
	From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
	That sounds like exactly what you're saying.
	So from each according to his ability, in this case, men have the ability to be the applicators of force, and so you think it's equitable that they fight your wars.
	To each according to their needs, in this case, you need to be protected, and so men need to protect you, right?
	I didn't say any of that.
	Let me ask you a question.
	I think you did, but would you prefer for your agenda?
	I did.
	Would you prefer?
	Well, I mean, you agree.
	You literally said yes.
	I asked you the question.
	I mean, I paraphrased it.
	Andrew, I didn't say that I was a communist.
	I never said that.
	You're trying to prove I was a communist to what?
	Be an antagonizer?
	Like, I'm not a colleague.
	No, no, no.
	Okay, well, let me just ask you.
	From each according to his ability, in this case, you say under gender that men have the ability to do this, and so they should, right?
	I don't agree with the idea that you should take all men in America and schlep them off to whatever country.
	All men in the U.S. are subject to the selective super draft.
	Well, isn't that a big fat bummer?
	It's interesting that you can be so flippant about something as serious as this, especially given.
	You guys have been interrogating me for like 20 minutes.
	Yeah, and I also feel like men and women don't know what it's like to be each other.
	So it's like, I mean, you're coming at her so hard.
	Like, she doesn't know what it's like to be a man.
	I don't see how that reason is.
	I don't see how.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I don't see how that's relevant at all.
	Well, can I explain?
	The way I feel like it's relevant is because you guys never answered.
	Like, what's patriarchy to you?
	Because I don't know.
	Okay, no, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	No, Hold on.
	Let's stay focused here.
	So, okay.
	Just one question.
	When it comes to the economic, the preferred economic model that you would like, currently we have a capitalist system.
	Would you prefer a socialist or a communist system?
	How is that relevant?
	I don't think any of us could have a saying at all.
	Like, I've never experienced anything but capitalism.
	It's related to that.
	I haven't studied much of them either.
	So I was thinking about it.
	I was kind of just asking her if you want to just give a quick answer.
	Sorry.
	No, it's okay.
	I didn't want to answer.
	You want me to say whether or not I would prefer a different economic model opposed to capitalism?
	Yeah, besides capitalism.
	So either, I guess, socialism or communism.
	I would say that it's not realistic for there to be another economic model on the global stage.
	So you're talking like smaller communes type thing?
	Like a small commune?
	Like a 500-person commune?
	I just told you, I think.
	But you said you said on the global stage.
	Oh, so if we were not, if the world had not been global?
	So like maybe U.S., what do you think U.S. should be?
	Should it stay capitalism?
	Should it change to socialism, communism?
	I mean, I think that there's a lot of problems with capitalism.
	Sure.
	But there's problems with communism as well.
	Absolutely.
	But would you prefer that model?
	Either socialism or communism over capitalism.
	As someone who benefits from capitalism, no.
	Anybody else here would prefer a different model?
	You can give me a yes or no.
	I mean, we don't have to linger.
	Anybody?
	Okay.
	Just a couple things here.
	So you did mention one thing about men don't have to feel scared when they're walking alone at night.
	This actually isn't true.
	One, this is just proved by statistics.
	Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime.
	And then in addition to that, men can absolutely feel scared to walk alone.
	So you brought that up earlier as a sort of a counterpoint of, well, I feel women feel scared to walk alone at night.
	I mean, I'm sure men get jumped more than women would, like walking alone out in public.
	Okay, sure.
	I'm honestly sick of arguing about this, to be frank, so you can take the floor if you want to speak on that.
	Okay, well, I mean, I just wanted to give you a little counterpoint there because you did mention that as a rebuttal to, I forgot precisely what he said, but you mentioned, I think it was, I'm trying to think exactly what you were doing it in rebuttal to, but so you just wanted to argue about my point then.
	Well, you were using that argument, and I just want to point out that men can also feel scared walking alone at night.
	I didn't say that men couldn't.
	You're continuing to lie in this comparison.
	I didn't say that men, just because women feel scared at night doesn't mean that men can't, but somehow to you, it's offensive for us as women to say that we, you seem like maybe you're offended.
	No, I'm not offended, but there's this idea that you think that men just move through the world like very blasé and infallible when actually we have just the same concerns.
	Did you not hear the argument that I said about how I think that there's a lot of societal pressures that men face?
	You're acting like I just said that men get it easy and that there's no problems.
	I didn't say that.
	But this is a common argument I hear of, well, us women were scared to walk alone at night, which would indicate to me that you're doing a comparison argument.
	I wouldn't necessarily got.
	No, it's fine.
	No, just say it really quick.
	I'm not going to linger on this one for a second.
	It's just the fact that we're afraid to go out at night because of men, the same way that you're mentioning that men are scared to walk alone at night, also because of men.
	The men are scared of the men.
	We're scared of the men.
	We're not scared of all men.
	We're scared of just the dangerous men, the possibility that it's a dangerous man.
	That's that.
	Okay, so sure, but it's a very small proportion of men who tend to perpetuate these violent crimes.
	Very small proportion.
	Why are you men scared of men then?
	Yeah, especially if you're in the patriarchy and you're the ones on top.
	Like, why are you scared?
	Okay.
	A victim is a victim, no matter the sex of the perpetrator.
	So we can always point to, but, oh, it's men's fault.
	It's kind of irrelevant.
	If I get stabbed or shot, the perpetrator of the crime, because I share genitalia with them, it ultimately I'm no less stabbed or no less shot.
	So it's kind of this sort of derailment of the actual conversation.
	You know, it's just, are victims less victimized depending on the perpetrators of the sex?
	I would argue no.
	I just wanted to point out that men also can fear being alone, walking alone at night.
	I don't think that you needed a stage to say that.
	Everyone feels fear.
	I'm not trying to take away from your male experience, but here I am talking about my female experience and you're questioning it.
	I'm not questioning your female experience.
	No, but you did question that very same experience by using your statement of like, oh, men get scared at night too.
	And then that's when I said the whole thing.
	Right, but it's not just men, and then you're trying to went everywhere else.
	You're trying to paint it as if this is like a solely or primarily female concern.
	When it, as far as if we're talking about violent crime, men are just as likely, if not more, to be victims of violent crime than women.
	Well, can there not be concerns on the basis of gender?
	I suppose, but this idea of the- You seem to have a big opponent with the draft.
	What do you mean?
	You have this whole argument about the draft, and you're saying that that would be a concern on the basis of gender.
	And I'm here saying that my safety as a woman at night, I was speaking for myself and women, and I said that statement.
	And you're here saying that I was essentially trying to make it a female issue, and that for some reason that was somehow.
	Your risk of violent crime at night is not increased by virtue of you being a woman, whereas your chance of being drafted as a man is exclusive to the male gender.
	Yeah, so there are issues that are on the basis of gender.
	Sure.
	But women walking alone at night is an issue with equity.
	I would argue that it is, and you can tell me otherwise.
	Moving on from that, a couple people were saying, but men, who are the ones who send people to war, who are the ones who initiate drafts.
	I would actually make the argument, they've done research on this, so they actually analyzed the compared, for example, monarchs.
	They compared male monarchs to female monarchs, and they actually found that queens were actually more likely to wage war than their male counterparts.
	So this idea that if we found ourselves under a matriarchy, we found ourselves governed by women, that the world would somehow be more peaceful, or there would not be war is dubious at best, given the fact that female monarchs throughout history waged war more than kings.
	So I just wanted to bring that up.
	I did want to go around the table really quick on this.
	We were talking really quickly about strength.
	I don't suspect there'll be, well, we'll see.
	This is related to the whole warfare thing.
	Generally speaking, are men stronger than women?
	Yeah, that's scientifically a fact.
	On a biological basis, yes.
	Sure.
	What do you mean, sure?
	I'll just agree with the.
	No, no, no.
	Don't just agree.
	Just because you think it's what I want to hear.
	What do you actually think?
	Yeah.
	Does anybody feel like that's not.
	Sounds like you just want to argue with her.
	No, but I want people to answer honestly.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	If that's your honest answer, okay.
	Physically.
	Yeah, that's, I mean, yes, physically.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Men are superior.
	Okay.
	All right.
	We hit a couple things there.
	I do actually, you know, still on the war thing.
	Who are the primary, here we go.
	Who are the primary victims of war?
	Men or women?
	Who are the primary victims of war?
	Men or women?
	Starting with you.
	If you're talking about like who's fighting, then obviously men.
	Because that's like who's fighting.
	Right.
	Although you could look.
	I mean, both men and women can be victims of war, but I'm asking who's the primary victim of war, men or women?
	So.
	I'm sorry, it's late.
	It's getting loose.
	That's fine.
	What about you?
	Are you asking a comparative question to say that one has it better than the other?
	No, I'm just asking who is the primary victim of war, men or women?
	I don't think that it should be on the basis of gender, but statistically I think more men die in war.
	Okay, so they would be the primary victims then.
	I think victim has a certain agenda that underlies it, but let's say you're killed.
	Are you a victim?
	What's so funny about that?
	Well, I mean.
	Just don't worry about it.
	Okay.
	Like, yes, sure.
	Do men die in war?
	I think that this idea that men are victims of war is kind of funny, considering that it's funny to me because, in my opinion, the perpetrators of the war end up being whatever the gender is, and everyone else who is subject to that decision ends up being the people that are victims.
	I don't think that it's just one sex.
	Well, he's not saying that, like, it's just one sex that's victims.
	They can all be victims, but who would be more victim, if that makes sense?
	Can I ask you a question?
	So, let's look at World War I, World War II, just within the United States purview of those two conflicts.
	For World War I, World War II, who were the primary victims of war for those conflicts of the United States population on the basis of who died.
	So, men or women?
	I don't know the statistics, but I think that more men died.
	Okay.
	I'm just a little.
	Okay, so.
	You said it was funny that we're painting men as victims when it comes to war.
	Could you explain that a little better?
	I don't know if anyone else wants to speak on this.
	I mean, when was the last draft?
	Vietnam.
	And how long ago was that?
	Well, I'll paint it this way.
	When it comes to the Vietnam War, there are men that would still be alive today that aren't because they got drafted.
	And there are men that are alive today that were drafted who have substantial injuries, who were maimed, who lost limbs, who have post-traumatic stress disorder, who developed probably drug addictions because of either what they saw, who are homeless, et cetera, et cetera.
	So yes, even today in the United States, I can give you a more recent conflict.
	If we look at the Ukraine war, for example, so every single woman in the country, if they wanted to, could leave.
	They could leave the country.
	They could leave Ukraine.
	Actually, we got a Ukrainian here.
	So all men between the ages of, I believe, 18 to 60 or 65, I forget the exact number.
	No men could leave the country.
	Most men were enlisted in the war effort, drafted into the war effort.
	All women could leave.
	That's an example of a modern conflict where there was a draft.
	So, yeah.
	I hear you.
	Forced military conscription, still a thing.
	Can I just say one thing?
	I think what she was trying to say is the poor man dies for the rich man's war, being that men are still kind of pushing the war and the ones dying.
	So wouldn't that have more to do with it's not that it's a man, it's a rich person.
	So that's not about gender.
	That's now about class.
	Yeah, social economic status, yeah.
	Go ahead.
	I don't want to take away from veterans because I think that I have a lot of respect and I don't want to belittle the sacrifice that they made for their country.
	I will say, how many holidays do we have to commemorate the men that went to war?
	You're right.
	We should have more.
	Wait, what's your, I'm just, what's your point?
	I'm just saying you're acting like this is some type of sacrifice that's gone unacknowledged.
	Do you think all those men who died, they're Do you get to take Veterans Day off?
	I do.
	Thanks to the men.
	But you're not a veteran, right?
	I'm not.
	So it's not just acknowledging veterans then.
	Everybody gets to partake.
	yes wait do you think the contribution is there a is there a women's history month And our Pride Month.
	Hold on.
	Is there Veterans History Month?
	Is there?
	No, but it's not about quantifying the amount of time that we think about it, is it really?
	Well, that seemed to be your argument.
	That wasn't my argument.
	Well, it did seem to be that, but we set aside days to remember them.
	My point is that I took it as it sounds like you were saying that the sacrifice that men make for their country goes unacknowledged.
	The sacrifice that they are obligated to make.
	That's not my argument.
	Okay, well, what were you saying?
	But I'm not sure if the fact that there's a couple of holidays is I don't know how that's really relevant to the conversation at hand.
	Maybe it's not.
	I took it as you were kind of suggesting that the sacrifice that men make goes unacknowledged or that it's undervalued or that their sacrifice that they make is sure.
	I think that in some ways it is, but that it was somehow proportionally worse, proportionally worse.
	How come women's history gets a whole month?
	I don't know.
	I didn't make the rules about who, about why we're not.
	Do you think that women's history should get a whole month?
	I think there's a lot of history there, and the rest of history is man's.
	Well, this was.
	Wait a second.
	That's weird.
	What do you mean?
	Isn't history just history?
	Yes.
	I think that there's history that is relevant to women.
	I'm not going to say here in Saxony.
	Women's History Month should or should not exist, or we should just get one day, or if we should get one month.
	Is there a men's history month?
	No, why would there be?
	I mean, why wouldn't there be?
	If there's a women's history month, it doesn't sound like it's very equitable.
	I don't think that under the guise of equity, men need a whole month.
	I don't think under the guise of equity that women need a whole month.
	What do you need it for?
	I didn't make Women's History Month.
	I don't know why you're asking me.
	All right, I know, but you just said that you would keep it, right?
	I don't have really strong opinions on Women's History Month.
	I just was born a woman.
	Okay, so you had an issue with me framing men being involved in warfare as them being victims of warfare.
	Like you said, saying that men are victims of war is a funny frame.
	I don't know.
	I don't want to put words in your mouth.
	You said it was funny or something.
	Originally, I did.
	Jeremy donated $200.
	Seriously?
	22 veterans each day self-delete.
	There are 17 million veterans in the history of the USA, and you want to reduce our sacrifice to two days per year.
	Let's go.
	Let's speak double.
	I would argue that the contribution of the veterans goes well beyond just us now having a couple holidays or whatever.
	A year.
	Thank you, Jeremy.
	Appreciate your message.
	I'm going to read one more, and then we have a few more chats, but I will get back to it really quick.
	David says, back $69, BMGA and respect.
	This is a dating show.
	Be nice, people, please.
	I've been to Kiev and dated to Ukraine.
	Question is X-Mis or NYE bigger deal there?
	Best to all grid.
	Crack me up.
	X-Mis or NYE, bigger deal in Ukraine?
	I think overall New Year's is, but if you're religious, then Christmas for sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	New Year's is actually Christmas is actually after New Year's in Ukraine.
	Okay, just going around the table, I don't think I got everybody's answer on this.
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Everybody.
	Children, men, women, everybody.
	Or wait, I'm trying to remember if.
	Everybody's.
	No, but who's the okay?
	Who's the primary victim of war?
	Men die more because they're in the front lines.
	Okay.
	So I was just asking if you had to choose one because initially you said everybody.
	Yeah.
	I still think everybody suffers.
	Big Sass Energy donated $200 as a Marine combat vet who has seen the all-the-death eff a holiday.
	I'd much rather the women of this country submit and both genders can commit to their biological gender roles.
	It's inevitable.
	All right, big sass energy.
	There you go.
	Oh, she agrees with you.
	There you go.
	There you go, big sass.
	Thank you, man.
	Appreciate the message there.
	Wait, so you said everybody?
	I think collectively everyone will suffer.
	I think men will definitely die more and will be more traumatized when they go and if they are able to come back.
	Okay, who's the primary victim of war?
	Men or women?
	Men.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Let's see.
	We have a few final ups.
	No, not yet.
	Well, guys, go to twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop the follow.
	Drop the prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one.
	A couple other questions here.
	Moving on from the war stuff.
	Can you be sexist towards men?
	What do you mean?
	Like as a woman, like me?
	No, not you specifically, but like can women be sexist towards men?
	Sure, yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yes.
	I won't grill you if any of you change your answer.
	Are any of you just saying yes because you don't want to argue?
	I will not grill you.
	I promise I won't grill you.
	I will move right along, but you.
	Anybody?
	Yeah?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Just, you know, just want to check.
	Just wanted to check.
	How about this one?
	Because it's kind of related, sort of, a little bit.
	Can you be racist towards white people?
	Oh, sorry.
	I keep forgetting I start.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Maybe?
	Yeah.
	Respectfully, how does this have anything to do with dating?
	And no.
	Doesn't actually have anything to do with dating.
	I just wanted.
	I just felt like asking a question.
	I'm a goblin.
	Okay.
	Do you want to answer the question?
	Do you want to consciousness?
	No.
	You can't be racist towards white people.
	Well, hold on.
	Let's get everybody's answers first.
	Before you, okay.
	So no.
	What about you?
	I'm not going to talk about this.
	Should I just assume that your answer is no?
	Just go.
	You can just let.
	Come on, just answer the question.
	I don't need to.
	I'd say yeah.
	Yes, okay.
	No.
	No.
	I think you can be racist towards anybody.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, really quick.
	Promise we won't linger so long on this.
	Why?
	For those of you who said no.
	Does anyone else want to answer?
	How about you, answer?
	I just feel like you can't really be racist towards a race that has had all the privilege in the world their entire lives.
	And it's like, maybe you can be racist on a one-to-one level, like, oh, you hurt their feelings, but you can't be racist in the sense of systematic oppression.
	That's that.
	Being racist is just judging someone based off of their race.
	No, it's not just that, girl.
	It's systematic oppression as well.
	I thought the definition of racism was judging someone based off of their race.
	Not just that, like I said.
	Well, what's your definition?
	What's your definition of racism?
	My definition of racism is, like I said, systematic oppression, oppression by a whole institution, a group of people, something that's actually a force, not just me and you called me white.
	You give me a cracker.
	You don't think that that would be a racist thing?
	I think that you were just trying to be.
	I feel like at that point you made a dumb joke that could be interpreted as racist.
	Yeah, but I don't see it as racist.
	So you're saying on the are you saying on the micro level?
	Yeah, on the micro level, you can try to be racist.
	There is no macro level racism towards white people at that point.
	That's a good point.
	And so I've heard this definition used: is racism prejudice plus power?
	That's the definition that I've heard.
	What about you?
	Your thoughts on that?
	Or why?
	Sorry, why?
	You said you weren't going to linger and you said you weren't going to grill us on that.
	Well, a couple minutes is fair.
	Just a couple minutes.
	It's been, what's the time stamp?
	Okay, just go ahead.
	Answer the question.
	I told you my answer.
	No, I mean, like, but why?
	Why do I think that you can't be racist against a white person?
	Because I would go along with the logic that racism is prejudice plus power.
	And white people in the context of American society have systematically been the people who held the power.
	You can go back to the genesis of America.
	Any quick thoughts on this, Andrew?
	Yeah, I mean, I would just move on from here to something a little more lighthearted.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I just want to say.
	Andrew, the debate, the debate goat doesn't want to.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, I would like to engage in it, but I don't feel like, like, if we get into this, you and I, and I'm really good faith about it.
	Do you really have any interest at all in tangling up on this?
	Because I would like to get into it with you, but you just seem like you're just kind of adamant about moving on from here.
	You would be right.
	You would be.
	She says you would be right, Andrew.
	I just want to say, I think it's stupid to talk about race.
	Why does race matter whatsoever?
	I mean, it's based off of someone's actions, not the color of their skin at all.
	I agree.
	I mean, the way that you can't control your race.
	Exactly.
	So, why does it matter to the mix?
	It creates a.
	Go ask the colonizers why it mattered.
	Like, I don't know what you mean by that.
	Well, I just don't think that's it.
	I wish it didn't matter to them.
	I wish it didn't to them.
	I just don't think that it was wrong of them to race matter.
	I think that it's something that's still drag on to this day.
	And I don't think that, I mean, there's a lot of, I don't, I think it's hard to be racist today.
	Well, so is there white privilege for those of you who said no to the race?
	So I assume you guys would agree that there's white privilege.
	Yeah, I mean, just even by hearing her speak on the fact that she doesn't think racism is a thing anymore, I feel like kind of speaks on like white privilege.
	I don't think that's what you said.
	No, I wasn't saying that.
	No, not at all.
	I'm just saying I think it's harder to be racist in today's society just because like in a workplace or something, you can take that to court.
	Like it's not something that I think it's around a lot.
	I mean, you're just looking at it through an intersectional worldview, right?
	From an intersectional worldview, you think that racism essentially exists because there's systems in place which favor one perceived social constructed race over another perceived social constructed race, right?
	Is that correct?
	Is that for me?
	Yeah.
	It's your argument.
	No, no, no, not her.
	I'm sorry.
	Two Alfred Daltons.
	It's dead center.
	Racism die.
	Stop using it.
	Period.
	Amen.
	Okay, thank you, ACL.
	I appreciate it.
	The one who said that you thought that white privilege must exist just based on her speaking about race at all.
	Sorry, what was your question?
	Yeah, you.
	Yep.
	What was your question?
	I was asking you if you view this on an intersectional basis based on systems of power and you believe essentially that whites are at the top of that hierarchy and so therefore they cannot be racist.
	Only other people can be, or I'm sorry, only they can be racist, not other people.
	Yeah.
	That's how you view it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So where would you fall in that hierarchy?
	Would you say that you couldn't be racist?
	You can only have people be racist towards you?
	No, I don't think so.
	Well, I mean, so then, so then are you, do you consider yourself in that top threshold then of basically whites who are in control?
	No, not that either.
	I think that I have the ability to be oppressed and I also have the ability to be the one doing the oppression.
	Okay, so you think that people can be racist towards you?
	Yeah, I'm Hispanic, so I fully believe that I can be the oppressor and also be the one being oppressed.
	So in your worldview, Hispanics are essentially white?
	Huh?
	In your worldview, you consider the power dynamic of Hispanics to be that of the power dynamic of whites?
	No, I view it as a lesser than.
	Then I don't understand because I thought that you said that the only people who could be oppressors are the people at the top of the racial hierarchy, in this case, whites.
	Yeah.
	But I feel like if I was in a position of power, even though I'm Hispanic, I can still be an oppressor, especially because of the fact that I have like certain privileges that come with being white passing, for example.
	So that's why I speak on that in that sense.
	So then, so then how could people be racist towards you then?
	That's what I don't understand.
	I can give you a direct example.
	No, Hang on, hang on.
	Before you give a direct example, I want to make sure you know what I'm saying.
	Yeah, I understand.
	It is your worldview that whites cannot have racism attributed towards them because they're at the top of the hierarchy, right?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And you agree that you are not at the top of this hierarchy?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Got it.
	So you're underneath what you think is the traditional white hierarchy.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, can you say that people can be bigoted still towards whites, even if they can't be racist?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Can you tell me why it would be more immoral to be bigoted than racist?
	More or less moral, you said.
	More immoral.
	Why would it be more or less immoral to be bigoted versus racist?
	Or are they morally equivalent?
	I don't know.
	Well, like, if you're bigoted towards a white person because you can't be racist towards them, is being bigoted towards a white person just as bad as being racist towards a black person?
	Maybe, I don't know.
	Well, because if it is, and bigotry can still exist, and bigotry against whites can still exist, then I just want to know which is worse than the other.
	I think both are very bad.
	I don't know what you want me to say about that.
	If they're both bad, then if we just replace racist towards with bigoted towards, then wouldn't that still create kind of the same dynamic that other races can still be bigoted towards white people?
	No, and so therefore just as bad as when whites are racist towards those races.
	No, it's not the same dynamic because then other races are still experiencing that systematic oppression, that actual racism.
	Like, for example, getting that the white people who are getting bigoted against wouldn't be facing.
	You get what I'm saying?
	No.
	One final thought from the both of you on this, and I do have to move things on.
	Yeah, no, no, I don't.
	I don't understand what you're saying.
	So, you're not saying that you don't understand how systematic oppression can be.
	Imagine living in the country that bestowed those privileges upon you.
	Anyone can live the highest perceived success level possible.
	I came from poverty to the middle class.
	Any quick final thoughts from the both of you on this, and then I have to move things along.
	Yeah, I'm just saying if morally they're not more, one's not more reprehensible than the other, then other races being bigoted towards whites would be morally equivalent to whites being racist towards other races.
	There are moral equivalents in your worldview.
	So, I mean, one isn't worse than the other.
	On a small scale, no, on our large scale, yeah.
	So, I stand by my own point.
	Okay, well, moving on, moving on.
	Uh, let me just check here.
	I'm gonna pull up a couple chats.
	We have player 11.
	Uh, when I was young, I wanted a career that would be both rewarding and fulfilling as a provider.
	Is it wrong for me to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles?
	I spent my life trying to build this.
	So, he wanted a career that would be rewarding and fulfilling as a provider.
	Is it wrong for him to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles if he's the provider?
	Any thoughts on that from anybody at the panel?
	Not at all.
	I think it's perfectly fair to want a woman to take care of your kids and stay at home with them.
	Just you three, really quick on this.
	Is it wrong for him to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles if he's going to be the provider?
	No.
	Is that woman his baby mama?
	Sure, let's assume they have two children.
	In that situation, I think that it's if he wants to be the provider and the woman wants to be the one that takes care of the children, that's that expectation isn't necessarily.
	Could have you tilt your mic down just a bit, tilt it this, like tilt it down just from no pull it.
	Okay, what about you?
	I play the fifth.
	Come on, just answer.
	This is a totally benign question.
	Just answer the question.
	I play the fifth.
	I'm not men.
	I'm really tired.
	I'm not mentally here anymore, unfortunately.
	So, I don't think any real, like, okay, I'll just skip you for everything then.
	Yeah, he's fine for thinking that you guys can answer.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm just moving on.
	That's perfectly fine, yes.
	All right, we have women have the power of creating other humans with great power comes great responsibility.
	Okay, hey, thank you, Ben George.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you, man.
	We have GR Gracie coming in here in just a second.
	Thank you, Ben George.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we have GR Gracie.
	Ladies, how about a compromise?
	Men get drafted off to war while women take their places as roofers, sewage plant workers, asphalt layers, and laborers.
	For Shizzle?
	Sure.
	Okay, thank you.
	Thank you, Gracie.
	That's the trade-off.
	Rosie, the riveter, whatever.
	She did stuff, I guess.
	Okay.
	And then we have ACL 2008.
	What gender of American citizens are required to register for selective service?
	All male, female.
	Are you asking this?
	Like, the answer is male.
	So...
	So, yeah, answer is male, just male.
	I don't know if you're trying to ask the women that question, but yes, it is male.
	Women are not subject to military conscription in the United States in the vast majority of other countries.
	We have Desert Joe Scheit panel.
	You can see the points in several topics.
	When they realize their arguments were wrong, but they are incapable of admitting it was wrong.
	Now they've just tuned out, move on already.
	Okay, that's from Desert Joe three minutes ago.
	All right.
	Thank you, Desert Joe.
	Much appreciated.
	And then we do have Matt here.
	Matt says, is there a very manly wooded area?
	Maybe Texas, Mississippi, in a very bury wooded area that we can remote in the people who prefer to be with the many bears, like Andrew Wilson remotes in for the next episode.
	Needs to be a good live feed area like Yellowstone Bear Territory.
	Okay.
	Yes, we will get in touch with the Park Rangers and we will set that up, Matt.
	We will have them do a, what's it called?
	A, you know.
	Okay.
	Oops.
	Fuck.
	Can somebody fix that?
	Where's?
	Can you go grab it?
	Welcome to the whatever podcast.
	Fucking the walls are falling apart.
	It's ridiculous.
	Thank you, Matt, man.
	Appreciate it.
	Let me just see here.
	We will do a quick shout out.
	Yo, guys, go to twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop voice crack.
	Nice.
	Drop us a follow in the prime sub if you have one.
	Twitch.tv slash whatever.
	If you're watching us over there on Twitch, we have almost 2,000 of you on Twitch.
	So drop us a follow in the Prime sub.
	Thank you guys.
	Appreciate it.
	Last question.
	Then we'll go into a short chaos/slash roast round, and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	So let me just check here my notes.
	Final question.
	Should we ask a dating-related question just to kind of put the bow on the is that what it's called?
	A bow?
	The cherry on top?
	Wait, no, there's.
	Okay, well, let me let me see the pre-show notes for some of you other guys who weren't really included here.
	Haley, she's a goat milker.
	Yep, hit that.
	Like, hit, hit the hole.
	That came out.
	Didn't.
	Okay.
	You said, I'm trying to see here what's you don't agree with not getting married, only having a long-term committed relationship.
	I understand completely why you don't want to.
	Also, don't agree with your position on not protecting your significant other.
	I think you make great points, but I also think it's very contradicting from saying you're a man of God.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I see what you're saying.
	Well, we won't linger too long on that, but yeah, I'm not in favor of getting married.
	So did you want to provide a brief pushback on that?
	No, I understand.
	Give these girls some energy drinks.
	Get them some.
	Get them.
	You want an energy drink?
	I know you want an.
	Come on.
	You want an energy drink, right?
	C4, 200 grams of caffeine.
	Let's just fucking do.
	I promise we won't do this all night.
	I was like, I've already had.
	What about you?
	You seem, you need, plead the fifth.
	You need to plead some C4 energy drink into your esophagus.
	Probably, but I'm okay.
	I just want to make it clear, that guy, he said that all of us looked like we were low energy and mopey because our points had been supposedly proven wrong.
	I've been talking for nearly six hours.
	And I'm still well, like, I just think that I have better, my time is better valued than arguing to the ends of the earth about why feminism exists or why men are oppressed for having to enter the draft.
	I have homework to do, and I'm a student.
	What do you want to talk about?
	What time is it?
	I came here to talk about dating.
	Give me a dating thing.
	Give me a dating thing.
	You're the host of this podcast.
	You give me a dating thing.
	No, you give me a dating thing.
	You can go read my show notes then.
	Did you even provide?
	Let me look.
	Yeah, I DM'd you your questions.
	Oh, let me look.
	It must have been more recently.
	Okay, Audrey.
	Oh, okay.
	Nothing.
	Funny stories, people getting done dirty, frat hookup culture.
	Fear of okay, fear of commitment, reasons girls are in relationships versus boys, how boys view girls.
	Do you have a fear of commitment when it comes to dating?
	Sometimes.
	If I'm allowed to choose the topic, though, I think that the answer to my last question was the most relevant.
	I don't know if there's really, I don't have a lot of bandwidth to answer it now because I'm sure that Andrew would have a field day with this one.
	Because it was mostly a joke, but you guys don't really take jokes the same way that I thought.
	Maybe you would.
	But you can feel free to read it out loud if you are curious.
	I can take jokes.
	I'm good at taking jokes.
	Andrew, he's a comedian.
	He used to be a stand-up comedian.
	He's now a blood sports debater.
	He can handle some jokes.
	You want to just say it?
	It's in the notes.
	You can just keep reading my notes if that's what your closing remarks are or whatever.
	I want to hear a good joke.
	It's not a joke.
	It's just funny to me.
	But I think that maybe it would unravel my feminist argument, and I can't have that happen on the show.
	You don't want to just say it's a matter of time.
	I mean, it's been happening all night.
	I don't know why you'd be mad about it now.
	See, now that, that was a joke, right?
	It was a joke to you at my expense.
	That's not a joke.
	It's good.
	But it was a good joke.
	You could have laughed, you know?
	It was lightening up the room.
	It was great.
	No one's laughing.
	No, not even a smile.
	It was really fresh of you.
	It helped your agenda, but it's not helping mine, so I'm not going to laugh.
	Oh, that's fair.
	I'll make sure that when you tell the funny story then, that I won't laugh either because it'll help your agenda or just whatever goofy shit you said.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I didn't ask you to be my cheerleader.
	Well, that's good, because I'm not going to be.
	Perfect.
	I'm glad we're on the same page.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So you can make a homework assignment about it.
	Your thing was, you said you have this evolutionary hot take about men being natural born hunters and women being gatherers as to why girls and boys act the way they do in relationships.
	Also, lots of men want the intimacy of a relationship, but not the commitment it entails.
	So there's kind of two parts there.
	This evolutionary hot take, men being natural-born hunters and women being gatherers to why girls and boys act the way they do in relationships.
	Do you want to give a bit of a nuance there?
	Sure.
	I think we touched a lot on gender roles through the lens of evolution today.
	And if I were to expand upon it, how would I put this in a way that's not?
	I think that it's a good way to understand the way that men view, like, sex particularly in a relationship compared to women.
	Women tend to, in my experience, view sex as a lot more of an investment compared to men.
	And I can't speak for men on this.
	Is my perception from their behavior?
	Okay.
	And so I think that in hookup culture, hookup culture might, actually, I would say that maybe it advantages both sexes.
	But as someone who sometimes had a hard time grappling with the idea that if you were to, why men wouldn't necessarily invest in the same way, I think that when you put it through the lens of evolution and men wanting to innately spread their seed, I think that there is a way that you can argue it.
	I don't think that it's necessarily true now because I think that it's kind of a crude argument to make.
	That was my hot take is that men commit in a way that's differently than women do.
	In terms of what's the basis for their commitment.
	I think that women are more easily willing to commit sometimes.
	At least I know that I am.
	Are you?
	I mean, it depends on the relationship.
	I think I've kind of learned a lot now.
	But I mean, you said you've been single for four years.
	Yeah, I would commit to someone that is a worthy investment.
	What do you mean, a worthy investment?
	Like, he wouldn't cheat, he wouldn't leave me.
	There's not other factors?
	Yeah, there are other ones.
	So a guy, in order to get a relationship with you, a guy just has to be loyal.
	And what was the other thing?
	Well, I'm not saying that loyalty is the only one.
	I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would be loyal to you, but you wouldn't be, for example, physically attracted to them.
	Yeah.
	So I'll find one that I'm physically attracted to.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, so you're saying that lots of men want the intimacy of a relationship, but not the commitment it entails.
	So are you, when you say intimacy, do you mean sex?
	No.
	I don't mean just sex.
	Other things?
	Emotional intimacy.
	Okay.
	I find that a lot of men can tend to choose to be emotionally vulnerable in the moments that are convenient to them.
	But in terms of what it means for a relationship in its entirety, I don't think that they like that.
	I think that they choose to be emotionally vulnerable, but without actually the contingencies and the commitment that a relationship entails, if that makes any sense.
	What's going on over here?
	I'm just waiting.
	It's just really late.
	Look, let me ask you a question.
	Have you ever worked a job?
	Oh, I do.
	I have two jobs at the moment.
	You have a full-time job?
	I have a full-time student, yes.
	Right, yeah.
	So you're currently in an air-conditioned.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	You're currently in an air-conditioned penthouse apartment talking about dating topics, culture war stuff.
	I kind of want to just say, like, sack up.
	Like, you've been, you've had a sour puss on your face for the past hour.
	Like, it's not that hard to remain chipper for the duration of the show.
	I mean, we've been pretty chill about you, like, going back there, being on your phone, whatever.
	We get it.
	You have TikTok brain, you're bored.
	Cool.
	We get it.
	It's not that hard to just like remain, put on like a.
	You know.
	Do you not normally stay up late?
	Bro, it's so funny.
	These girls will complain.
	Oh, it's 11 p.m.
	Bro, y'all part.
	You party?
	No.
	You don't party?
	No.
	You've never been out till 2, 3, 4 a.m. drinking, dancing, walking around, doing all this shit.
	Didn't have two jobs.
	You're 21.
	When I go out, I don't get grilled by misogynistic men all the time.
	And I'm motivated to go out because it's funny.
	Do you guys want to answer the questions back?
	So, hold on.
	So, is Andrew the misogynist?
	Are we both the misogynist here?
	I guess, like, you guys, what do you guys call yourselves? Patriarchists?
	I didn't say that.
	Andrew said that.
	Andrew.
	Okay, but you said misogynistic men, so I'm going to just assume you were referring to that.
	Yeah, I don't understand what patriarchy has to do with that.
	I'm sorry.
	I didn't mean to use a buzzword here.
	You were not what I was.
	Well, okay, so I assume you were also referring to.
	I feel like I've been super respectful to you.
	I didn't say that you were disrespecting me.
	I didn't say that.
	Well, then, how am I a misogynist?
	I don't get it.
	I'm not going to argue about whether or not why you think that I am or am not correct in my take of you.
	It's my take of you, and you can take it or leave it.
	It really doesn't matter.
	Well, hold on.
	I think you're a misandrist.
	Oh.
	Okay, I don't really care what you think.
	Yeah, I know, but you should, because definitely.
	Why should I care?
	Apparently you do.
	You must care what I think because you had to comment on it, right?
	You had to say, well, this guy over here who's been nothing but respectful to me the entire night is a misogynist.
	Well, you criticized us for being mute.
	You just grilled the shit out of her for not talking.
	And now I'm talking.
	Oh, you're not going to do shit.
	That's me.
	Okay, sorry.
	I've been sitting here quietly.
	You just grilled her for not talking.
	Is that misogynist?
	This is why I've never really thought that me being mean on this podcast or what is perceived as mean or tone policing has ever been a problem.
	I think that women basically just get upset if I disagree with them.
	That's it.
	Well, you disagree on every count.
	Do you think it's kind of exhausting to be disagreed with for six hours?
	So what?
	Good thing I'm getting paid for this, am I right?
	I don't know if you are or you aren't.
	It's not my show, but I can tell you this.
	What does it matter if you're grilled for six hours?
	If it's an adversarial dating talk podcast, there's going to be arguments.
	Because I wouldn't do that for fun.
	By the way, I don't even feel like you were really grilled.
	Like, I've had some women on the house.
	What are you doing for all this time?
	I think that's fine.
	And honestly, I've really valued talking to someone who has such starkly different opinions than I do.
	I think that you have to.
	That doesn't sound like it.
	It sounds like you're super upset.
	I'm not.
	It sounds like you're super mad.
	I'm just kind of agitated that you guys are grilling us and it's been this long.
	I'm just saying, like, can you try to find a common ground instead of trying to always be right?
	Every single time that you've gone around, you're looking for the answers where you can disagree, and then you're trying to prove them wrong.
	Yeah, and then you will answer the questions that we have for you.
	Hold on, no, hold on.
	First off.
	I'll answer the questions you have for me.
	Okay.
	First off.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	I want to see.
	Do any of you actually, I bet none of you actually have a single question for me that's relevant to any type of argument, topic, anything.
	Did any of you actually have one?
	Hold on.
	No, Hold on.
	Let's stay focused here for a second.
	You levied a very serious accusation towards both me and Andrew.
	You called us both misogynists.
	Just want to make sure that's your position.
	I'll use the word.
	Oh, wait, actually kidding.
	You're not a patriarchist.
	If it's antagonistic.
	Antagonistic, which is different than a misogynist.
	And the thing is, I'm not going to retract my statement because I'm not going to be able to do it.
	Okay, fine.
	But the thing is, you're writing that down on your notepad.
	Like, now you're going to try to argue against me.
	I'm not going to argue about why I think you're a misogynist.
	You could tell me that you think I look terrible.
	You could tell me you think I'm stupid.
	Why would I say that?
	And, well, I don't know.
	If you take it misogynist as an insult, then too bad.
	I don't, I typically, if I receive an ad hom, I don't return it with an ad hom.
	But I will just ask, since you use the word, how do you define misogyny?
	Well, the thing is, I think that misogyny and patriarchy sometimes get blurred.
	Well, they're two distinct things.
	So, how do you define misogyny?
	I would say men thinking that they are superior to women.
	Okay.
	So, what have I said that would lead you to believe that I'm a misogynist using your definition?
	Every single argument that you've made on this podcast specifically was about the patriarchy.
	What was the argument that I made?
	You whined about being drafted about how you were subject to the draft for an hour.
	that possibly be misogynistic for me to point out a way in which men are disadvantaged how would that have anything to do with so because i argued about men being subject to military conscription would be me saying that men are superior to women That's actually me arguing that men are disadvantaged compared to women.
	Well, maybe I'm lumping you and Andrew together.
	Maybe Andrew wants to speak on this.
	Actually, please don't.
	Well, okay, you can shift the goalpost here, but you did direct it towards me.
	Well, I'm sorry if I insulted you.
	I don't really.
	The thing is, you're arguing with me, and I'm trying to explain myself to you, and I don't think that you really care about what I have to say.
	I think you just want to be right.
	So.
	Well, I'm trying to understand because you lobbied an accusation towards me that I'm a misogynist, and it's not clear.
	I'm asking how.
	Articulate how.
	You brought a bunch of women into a room under the guise we were going to talk about dating and then proceeded to bring up barely.
	And you proceeded to bring up every hot political topic you possibly could and then argued against us on our views.
	And I'm not saying that's innately misogynist.
	I just think that it was at its least irritating.
	And I, you know what?
	If you don't like the idea of tone police, then that's fine.
	I'm not going to sit here and try to explain my reality to you over and over again.
	It's exhausting.
	Still not clear how that's misogynistic.
	Well, that's fine.
	You can figure it out yourself then.
	Maybe you can do some internal thinking.
	I just did.
	I did the internal thinking and I still haven't arrived at how it's misogynistic.
	Well, you and Andrew both said that you believe that men are superior to women.
	I never play that shit back.
	Never said that.
	You said that you don't think that women should be in the clergy.
	Isn't that a subordinate?
	I didn't.
	I'm not even religious.
	But you said that to me looking in my eye.
	Yes.
	Well, no, no, no, no.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	So I'm not a Muslim, but I can acknowledge that in the Muslim faith, my understanding of the Muslim faith, you can't eat pork.
	That doesn't make me a Muslim.
	Okay.
	So my understanding of the Christian faith, I can acknowledge that there's certain Bible verses, there's ecclesiastical, theological doctrine, right?
	That doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with it.
	For example, I don't want to get married.
	I don't want to get married.
	I think that you have come at it from a hateful Sam's.
	I'm not taking $200.
	Yeah.
	You're being grilled because your worldview is garbage.
	Breadshirt.
	Andrew's being exceptionally nice.
	When you speak, all I hear is a noisy tardfish.
	You spoke for three hours and said nothing useful.
	Okay, that's not true.
	I'm going to shift off her.
	I'm going to ask you, you said that I'm coming at it hatefully.
	Articulate to me what I have said that is hateful.
	I mean, I think it would be more about tone, which nobody likes to do.
	Two quickly donated $200.
	It's not the way you say.
	Ask them what their pen size preference is.
	Uncooked spaghetti.
	Tuna can.
	Let's get the party started.
	Hold on.
	I can come back to that a little bit.
	Okay.
	What precisely have I said that's hateful?
	I think that the way that you bring up arguments is in a hateful way.
	Give me an example.
	The example would be like even with the man versus bear thing, how you bring it up again and again.
	Like, in my opinion, to me, it looks like you're doing it in order to make women look a certain way.
	Well, how am I trying to make women look a certain way?
	If I remain totally silent.
	If I remain totally silent and I let all of you not only give your answer, but give an explanation to your answer, how is that me being hateful or me trying to make women look a certain way?
	You guys all gave your answers.
	And I would actually, let me just turn this around at you.
	I can make a stronger argument.
	So your argument is by virtue of you bringing up this man versus bear debate, that's hateful.
	I can make a stronger argument that your answers to the actual question when it comes to your bias and bigotry towards men is more misandrist and more hateful than your perception that by virtue of me bringing it up, that is hateful.
	What's my bias towards men?
	You would rather be alone with a bear.
	No, you're not remembering correctly.
	I did not say that.
	Oh, you said men?
	Okay, excuse me.
	Then the other women and the millions of other women who are.
	No, see, even the way you say it right then.
	That's it's hateful.
	That's hateful.
	How is it hateful?
	You see physically rubber pointing.
	Well, how is it bringing men and women together?
	Emotional or passionate?
	How is it bringing men and women together?
	Like, in my opinion, like, men and women are strongest together.
	What's your point?
	That is my point.
	That's my knowledge that she's getting off.
	I'm just speaking passionately.
	No, I'm saying maybe your memory is a little bit, Ryan.
	I'm saying maybe your memory is a little bit off, but it seems like the intention when you bring up stuff like that, like especially to her, you're bringing up stuff to be intentionally the bear thing?
	No.
	It's a lot of other things that you brought up towards her specifically.
	Was hateful.
	I thought it was hateful.
	Give me one example of something hateful that I said.
	Go ahead.
	Or even the way I said it.
	Yeah.
	Even the way I said that.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Tell me.
	I think the fact that we spent an hour and a half talking about the man versus bear debate and you trying to pull out of us how we feel scared about men, like over and over.
	That is hateful.
	Disrespectful to give you pushback I don't think Hold on Hold on Hold on I think it's hateful.
	It's disrespectful and hateful.
	Did you say evil?
	No, I said hateful.
	Oh, sorry.
	Sorry.
	Excuse me.
	It's disrespectful.
	Hold on.
	Possibly you.
	You guys are the ones who are using buzzwords.
	So it's disrespectful, your word.
	It's disrespectful and it's hateful to give you the most milquetoast, benign pushback.
	You think, bro, Andrew is the debate goat.
	I'm like milquetoast.
	I suck at debating.
	I'm not that good.
	Oh, thank you, babe.
	I'm terrible at, I'm not a great debater.
	I'm very milquetoast.
	I give a little, I'm a bit impassioned at times, but you think I'm bad?
	No offense, Andrew.
	I think I'm the bad guy.
	It's not that I think you're bad, but I think in the way that you bring it up.
	Just to be clear, I don't think Andrew's the bad guy.
	I don't think you guys are bad guys.
	I just think that it comes off very hateful.
	How?
	What's your definition of hateful?
	My definition of hateful is when you come off in a way that's antagonistic towards the other gender.
	It's like, when are we ever going to talk about men and women getting along today?
	Like, are we ever going to talk about that?
	Or about our terrible dating experiences?
	Like, are we ever going to is that just moot?
	Is that just an like, why is it men versus women?
	That's the whole point of the conversation, though.
	Don't you understand?
	Well, I don't know if it's why, how is that possible?
	I'm going to answer your question.
	Chill out.
	Okay?
	The whole time we've actually been talking about ways in which men and women can get along better.
	It's subtle, but you don't see it because you don't understand it.
	But that's really what we've been talking about.
	The entire point of this is to show you there's a huge contrast in views.
	We're trying to find common ground through argumentation and logic, hopefully hoping that we can find some common ground.
	Doesn't matter if I'm nothing more respectful, still a misogynist.
	Hang on.
	Doesn't matter if I'm nothing more respectful, still a misogynist.
	It doesn't make 200.
	What I say, still intellectually.
	It doesn't matter the tone I use.
	It's still bad.
	It doesn't matter.
	It's not embarrassing of an answer for all women.
	Why won't you answer my question?
	Wait, let me just ultimately disagree that matters.
	I'll answer your question, ask it.
	Wait, let me just intellectually engage and disagree with women is hateful.
	LOL, how embarrassing of an answer for all women from Big Sass Energy.
	Okay, go ahead.
	What's your question?
	What's your question?
	My question.
	Yes, I'd love for you to say something.
	You want to go?
	I was just going to say, if that was your guys' true intention, like you claim, then why didn't you guys bring, I don't know, maybe like two or three men of like different views, maybe like a conservative man, a Republican man, a liberal man, and ask us all these same exact questions.
	Then it would have felt exactly like me and Brian disagree on most, on, on most things when it comes to grounding foundation.
	40-year-old men.
	I'm talking about guys our age.
	Like we're all 40.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	We bring on 40-year-old women, and this is a mixed-age panel.
	There's women here who are closer to our age than your age.
	Yeah, we have 32, 30, and 27.
	I mean, that's.
	So I don't even understand that criticism.
	Half the time, there's 40, 45-year-olds who are sitting there.
	Sometimes they're 20, sometimes you're not going to be able to do it.
	I don't see how it can be a bit uneven where it's two, four-year-old men, and then majority of women.
	Boy, you're sure disadvantaged.
	Yeah, I know.
	So, like, it's literally 90% woman, and then two older men.
	How is that not a bit of a discussion?
	What, eight women against two men, and it's not fair.
	It's your show.
	It's literally your show.
	You guys don't understand how to do it.
	It's not my show.
	I'm a guest like you.
	He's a guest.
	He's a guest.
	Andrew's a guest.
	Oh, I wasn't aware of that first.
	Of course.
	Yeah, I'm a guest.
	I mean, I've been in the same flow that you have.
	I've had less talking time than all of you have.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	I'm talking about guys are age here, too.
	What was your agenda bringing us all here today?
	Was it really to talk about dating?
	Yeah, we talk about dating all the time.
	I will grant that we do frequently get into like other, we get into the, I don't know the right term here, the weeds.
	We talk about culture war stuff, but it's all sort of, I mean, it's kind of related to some degree.
	Well, because you choose to pick at my experience.
	Like, you don't listen to it.
	You came here and you brought at my expense.
	What do you mean?
	It was, well, actually, to your benefit, would be a better way to say it.
	You brought all of us here to supposedly talk about our experiences.
	And then when we did, you shit on us.
	Like, when did I shit on you?
	Okay, you know what?
	Maybe you don't want to use the word shit.
	If you're going to be so.
	This is how people will use language in a very dangerous way.
	And they'll just, they won't be charitable.
	They won't be good faith.
	At no point did I shit on any of you.
	Okay, you know what?
	If I will retract my word and say, be more precise.
	Okay, then I will.
	Brian, is that your name?
	It's been a long time.
	And so I'm trying my best to be precise in my language.
	It's taking a lot of my cognitive capacity at this hour.
	And the thing is that I came here under a different pretense.
	And I think that maybe I'm speaking for the rest of the panel here, that we feel a little bit irritated and a little bit disrespected, considering that I think we came here thinking we were going to speak about our experience.
	And all we did was essentially get argued against.
	And there's nothing wrong with someone arguing against me.
	I don't like this narrative that they're saying they're just mad that you, that they got disagreed with.
	Um, respectfully, I, the entire time we've been, we've been talking to you.
	It's all been to draw out various experiences in the way that you view the world.
	Yeah, but it's to draw various experiences that support your agenda.
	It's not, you're not asking me about my experience as a woman.
	When I did, you denied it.
	You said it wasn't a female issue.
	Yeah, if I ask you a question, if I'm like, do you think that the sky is blue?
	And you say, no.
	And I go, well, but I think it is blue.
	I can see that it's blue.
	That's how it's felt.
	Yeah, but I don't understand.
	How is that not me engaging with your experience?
	You're engaging with my experience in a way that's not to listen to what I have to say.
	Right.
	It's to listen to what I have to say so you can come up with a way to tell me.
	That I disagree that the sky isn't blue, right?
	That's the point.
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	I have asked twice.
	All of you ignored me until it was convenient for you.
	I said I don't want my daughter to grow up like you, and I asked, how do we resolve?
	How do we bridge the gap?
	Clearly, you have zero EXP.
	Thank you, Jeremy.
	How do we bridge the gap?
	I think...
	I thought this was supposed to be about us.
	Why are you asking Andrew Dawson?
	Yes, it grows up to be even worse than us.
	You hope that your daughter grows up to be worse?
	Yeah, I hope his daughter grows up to be worse than us.
	Wow, that's a pretty vile thing to say about somebody's daughter who's not a party to this conversation.
	Do you want to walk that back, or are you just going to...
	See what you're doing right now, it's the exact same.
	You've been doing this for so long.
	Just to be clear, you think what I said to her is more disrespectful than what she just said to him.
	I'm not saying that.
	She just involved his daughter, hoping.
	He involved his daughter.
	Did you not read his comment?
	He said he didn't want his daughter to grow up in a society like this.
	Yeah, like with women like us.
	Women like us.
	Yeah, so I said, yeah, his daughter is going to be worse than him.
	I wouldn't want my daughter to grow up around feminists either.
	Okay, well, good for you, huh?
	She doesn't have to go to any type of California school and grow up to be liberal like that.
	Well, it's not just California.
	It's all over.
	Yeah.
	And you've managed to stay well far away from it.
	Why can't we?
	I definitely fell into the feminist movement at one point.
	So that's the thing, me too.
	I went very left for a while.
	I like corrected and went back to being conservative.
	So I know all the arguments and like, you know, at one point I viewed abortion as like a women's right type of thing, which I'm not saying that men should have the right.
	I'm just saying that the baby is also a human.
	That's really all.
	Can we talk about the daisy thing?
	How did you go daisy on here?
	Hold on.
	Okay, we're not going to go there.
	We're not going to go there.
	I don't really have thoughts about that.
	That's a fourth-dimensional question.
	Yeah, we're not going to go there.
	I'm trying to recall where we left off.
	If I can get this back on track so we can hopefully wrap up.
	We left off a misogynist.
	Oh, hateful.
	Last thing.
	Can you give me anything hateful that I've said?
	And then I'm going to move this on.
	Would you answer my question?
	What's your question?
	My question is, how do you define the patriarchy and what do you think it's doing?
	Well, see, this is where I differ from Andrew.
	I actually, I don't think that there's actually a patriarchy.
	I think this is essentially a feminist conspiracy theory.
	That's it.
	I don't think that there's a patriarchy because I don't view this dynamic of it being men are in positions of power because they're men.
	I think they're in positions of power, probably more so to do with class than anything.
	Thanks for answering.
	Yeah, I don't believe that there's a patriarchy.
	Okay.
	At least, I mean, there's different definitions of it, right?
	But this idea that men are advantaged, men have all this privilege, male privilege, women have no privilege, women are so disadvantaged.
	All these men are doing fantastic.
	As a man, you step into a job and they just you're immediately the CEO.
	No.
	Can I say that?
	Maybe that's a straw man.
	Maybe that's not fair, but I think the point, the fact that you're missing within that, because what you said is kind of valid, but what you're missing within that is the fact that men are also disadvantaged by the patriarchy.
	It's not clear if it's like how do you not see the patriarchy, though?
	Yeah, like men that created the patriarchy disadvantaged other men below them.
	Like it's a whole class thing too.
	It's not just.
	I don't think the, I think that it's more of a hierarchy thing than, well, okay.
	Because for example, like right quick, super quick example, the patriarchy doesn't like men being really emotional and crying, for example, right?
	Neither do women.
	Neither do women.
	But that stems from.
	Women are repulsed actually by it, and you can lie and say, I want a man, let's bring it back to dating.
	I want a man to be vulnerable in front of me.
	This is actually just, you might say that.
	It's the politically correct thing to say.
	It sounds good to say it.
	I want a man to be vulnerable.
	But the reality is, is you actually don't.
	No, what we don't like is when men weaponize that vulnerability and they'll cry just when it's convenient.
	Like, for example, you catch them cheating and then they're bawling their eyes out.
	That's not what I'm talking about.
	Well, that's the only time when it's relevant.
	Men cry when they get caught cheating.
	Yeah.
	But besides that, like, let me ask you a dating question.
	Let me ask you men's emotions.
	I feel like that's literally the opposite, right?
	Isn't it usually women who they get caught cheating, cry, or women who use crying and emotional manipulation?
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	Holy shite.
	Holy shite.
	Spoiled little girls finally have a man pushed back against their bad ideas for once in their life when they melt down.
	We need a Frank Castle moment.
	Hello, Peyton.
	Good to see you.
	So to respond to this, though, isn't it usually women who are the ones who cry to get the things that they want?
	I don't see a lot of men crying to get the things they want, to be perfectly honest with you.
	I just don't see it much.
	Do you see it a lot?
	Do any year-round cry to get stuff?
	In college, sadly, that's the new thing I've seen.
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	The patriarchy is in the home, not a class thing.
	As patriarch, it is my job to lead my family.
	Failures are mine and mine alone.
	I am the patriarchy, and you trumpets know nothing of my work.
	So to get this oppresses men by telling them not to be in tune with their emotions.
	And you say, unfortunately, all these men who are in tune with their emotions at my college, they suck.
	No, Did I get that right?
	No, you really twisted my words.
	Hold on.
	Let me bring it to dating really quick on this whole vulnerability thing.
	Let me ask you guys a question.
	Would you prefer a man to approach you in a really confident manner?
	Like, let's say, I don't know, if you've been at a party, a lot of you guys don't seem satisfied with dating apps, so maybe you'd prefer a guy to approach you organically, maybe after a class or at a party.
	Would you prefer a man to approach you confidently or well, hold on, let me change the framing here.
	Would you prefer a man to approach you in a really confident way, super confident, or a guy who was like a little bit bashful and shy, his eye contact was a bit shaky, not being creepy, but like uncertain of himself.
	Which do you prefer?
	I feel like that's kind of hard to say, but I don't know.
	To me, I feel like confidence can come off as cockiness sometimes to me.
	Let's just assume it's not cockiness.
	Let's just assume it's confidence.
	I kind of think it's cute when they're a little shy.
	So that's just me.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Like, where's your curiosity in this?
	Everyone likes confident people.
	You think so?
	She said that she liked shy.
	Okay, well, then talk to her.
	That's my answer.
	What is your answer?
	You prefer a guy to be step to you confident, right?
	Yeah, but again, it's not on the basis of gender.
	Okay.
	Yeah, cool.
	Well, it's not often that women ever do the approaching, so there's men don't really have the opportunity to give an analysis of if they prefer confident women or shy women.
	But which do you prefer?
	Confident.
	You prefer a guy to be confident?
	Shy.
	Okay, what about you?
	Confident.
	Okay.
	I would argue the vast majority of women would prefer men to step to them in a confident manner instead of a sort of bashful, can't even hold eye contact, a little shaky, a little nervous.
	Brian.
	This would be precise.
	This would be a man being vulnerable to approach you, being scared, nervous, etc.
	Yet most women do not respond to men being in a vulnerable state of being either scared to approach you, being nervous.
	Most women, a lot of the women here, prefer a guy to approach you confidently.
	Therefore, this whole, we like vulnerable men, it's kind of bogus.
	It's kind of bullshit.
	But your example was like the worst you could have possibly.
	How is that the worst?
	That's from the first time.
	You're like totally know someone is doing.
	There's a lot of confidence in vulnerability.
	You're having this argument that vulnerability is innately weak.
	And sure, there are women that could look at a man and say he's crying.
	What a less of a man he is.
	But I'm not even making that argument.
	I'm just saying from first approach, the very first opportunity you get to meet a man, he's immediately being vulnerable by not being particularly confident.
	His eye contact is shaky.
	He's nervous.
	Maybe his speech isn't on point.
	Wouldn't that be a man?
	Would you agree that that's a man in a vulnerable state?
	But why would he have to say yes to a man just because he's in a vulnerable state?
	You're not obliged to.
	But you're putting it in the wrong context.
	Women aren't asking, again, that's vulnerable, but it's also vulnerable for someone to go up to someone confidently and ask for their number or speak to them or whatever it is.
	You're acting like they exist in different continuums.
	They're the same thing for women.
	You can be a strong-headed person and still be vulnerable.
	Like, the two aren't different, is our point.
	And I think that's a good question.
	I think you see vulnerability as like a weakness in someone.
	I think women don't want men to be more emotional.
	I think they want them to like open up more, if that makes sense.
	So like say what they've gone through or what they're going through.
	Hold on.
	I do got to move things on a little bit.
	I'm very sorry.
	We have ACL.
	Yes, that was the point.
	It's males.
	I think this is in response to the who's the primary victim of war.
	There's a reason our government mandated men to have to enlist at 18.
	It's not to belittle women, but to protect women from war from ACL 2008.
	Hey, thank you, man.
	Appreciate your message.
	We do, excuse me, we have Ben Ryl son of Bartek, okay?
	Excuse me, to Snow White in the blue.
	Would you date a man that is a single father?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	There you go.
	There you have it.
	Bartech, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it.
	And then we do have Ben George coming in here in just a sec.
	Thank you, man.
	Thank you, Ben.
	Appreciate it.
	One sec, guys.
	There's just a time.
	There we go.
	Women hold all the power.
	You grow all humans.
	You need men whom you give no power to after the fact because patriarchy.
	So why are you also insecure and afraid of men?
	What?
	I'm a little confused too.
	We can agree on that.
	Why are you also.
	There you go.
	Common ground, right?
	Audrey?
	There you go.
	Common ground.
	We have common ground.
	Never mind.
	Okay.
	Do you guys want to answer it?
	Why are you afraid of men?
	No, I don't want to answer that because I don't need to explain the nuance to you and spoon feed it to you.
	The nuance exists, and you can believe it or not.
	Sorry if that sounded rude.
	It's just true.
	Okay, good times.
	Good times.
	Let me see here.
	Well, time-wise, let me just go over some of my notes.
	Let's see.
	Just want to make sure I time is limited, and we do have to do the brief chaos roast section.
	So we're going to do that for 10 minutes, and then we're going to wrap up the show.
	So let me get that changed.
	Let me see here.
	Brian, could I say one thing?
	Yeah, go for it.
	Hi, GMD.
	Good to see you.
	All right.
	Let me just check a couple things here, guys.
	Hold on.
	We're going to switch it here in just a sec.
	We're going to do the chaos mode for 10 minutes, and then we're going to wrap up the show for those of you who do want to get chats in who can't do it at the higher rate.
	So let me just double check, make sure that's all enabled.
	Any thoughts from you guys over here while I'm doing that?
	Just any thoughts?
	Go for it.
	It's cool being on the show.
	Dating thoughts?
	Oh.
	Oh, no, you guys complain.
	We haven't talked about dating.
	I'm saying talk about dating.
	Give me something.
	Weren't we going to answer peen size preference?
	Okay, fuck it.
	Starting over here.
	Go ahead.
	I'm cool with average.
	It's dating.
	Dating related.
	Yeah.
	Go ahead.
	Eight.
	Oh, wow.
	I don't really want to answer.
	This is kind of weird.
	All right.
	Yeah, I don't really care to answer.
	Me either.
	I don't care.
	It's a really superficial dating question.
	I'm just going to pass on answering that.
	Yeah, I saw Nick.
	Yeah.
	All right, it should be changed, guys.
	If you want, we're going to do.
	Well, did you show it?
	No, I'm going to show it after.
	Okay.
	Go ahead, show it.
	Hold on.
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	Well, after the show, there's automatic transcripts after, like, 24 hours.
	There's a transcript, and it'll do closed captioning.
	You have to wait 24 hours, though.
	What was the joke?
	men are hunters and women are gatherers uh i rito please donated twenty dollars the husband stitch does happen this one When my son was born, the doctor looked at me and winked and said, I'm gonna throw in an extra stitch for you.
	Okay.
	Deformer Clo5 donated $20.
	Brian, after asking the bear question, you need to play a short clip of two bears fighting.
	Get real ladies.
	I saw that clip.
	The two brown bears.
	Small pitcher energy donated $20.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah, they shouldn't have been able to do it.
	Last thing, we, men, we are not disposable.
	BTW, give more spotlight to Kiki.
	Hashtag where skiki donated $20.
	Feminism, because not all women can be pretty.
	If only the feminist Hawdry put all her passion into cooking.
	And I'm a millionaire, so spending 20 bucks to roast your ass is well worth it.
	Real Trump, I have both.
	Hello, donated $20.
	Brian, have you ever hooked up with one of your guests?
	What?
	Oh.
	Yeah, have you?
	Oh, he's on the next.
	$369 donated $20.
	Imagine thinking red shirt is hot and then having to live with her facial expressions day in and day out.
	Cruelle over there hates men and puppies.
	Which one's Cruel?
	Sean underscore in underscore Carly donated $20.
	I feel like red shirt saying she's not angry is kind of like my wife saying she's not hungry while I'm ordering food, only to have her eat half the order.
	Yeah, what's that?
	I would actually say it was kind of like that, so.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	To Red Calls TTS donators dumb to spend an inconsequential amount of money for fun via chat, but she surely will desire a high-income man.
	You're just poor.
	I'm $300 richer after this.
	Bucky Larson donated $21.
	My ears are bleeding from listening to these ladies tonight.
	Brian, you're the man.
	I've been watching your podcast ever since Kiko did her rage quit.
	I'm shocked no rage quit tonight.
	You've been around for a while, man.
	Just Gerald donated $20.
	Jesus, I buy you a sweater that stays up on your shoulders.
	girl a sweater that doesn't fall it's cute get her donated twenty dollars because you don't have twenty dollars until daddy gives it to you red shirt forehead do you roll on show in williams or benjamin moore you We see the pockmarks and weak wrists.
	On the ballot, Brian, write in.
	Charlotte Tilbury.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	Brian, stand up and spin so we can see that dumb at another $20 stupid dollar being spent.
	Come on, boys.
	Please don't objectify me, boys.
	Please.
	Don't objectify me.
	Canada One SD donated $20.
	You're not dumb enough to spend $20.
	You saw red shirt, but you're dumb enough to come on the podcast and speak.
	It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
	696969 blah blah blah blah donated $20.
	So if number one is a 7, then how is number 5 a 10 when she looks like shit?
	Also, this scallywag's trumpet Audrey should do us all a favor and go find a bear in the woods and die.
	Daniel donated $20.
	Who is the young brunette or the blonde Ukrainian?
	Let me get those digits.
	I can promise our children will be gorgeous, intelligent, and healthy.
	I will take care of you like a man should.
	A guy a bait.
	Imphetus donated $20.
	My mommy Daisy was a degenerate and so are many of you.
	The view from heaven looks very sad.
	Being brainless won't get you to eternal peace.
	You will find yourself with fetus killers like my parents.
	Clovertac donated $20.
	Brian should have to buy every guest an AR-15.
	You get a rifle, you get a rifle, everybody gets a rifle.
	Woohoo!
	Everybody gets a rifle.
	It's like Oprah.
	Brian Callaway donated $20.
	Love what you do, Brian.
	Maddie, I'm looking forward to you hosting the in-between shows on Twitch.
	And Audrey, $20 is well spent on this podcast.
	Good job holding your own tonight, though.
	GMD Jim donated $20.
	My nephew in the Air Force is forced to spend more time protecting these 304s freedom than time with his own children.
	Put some respect in your voice when you speak of our military, you ungrateful.
	David Kozekiak donated $20.
	Talk Esther, my face man, do not disrespect red shirts.
	She will tie you into a logic pretzel.
	I respect your debate.
	Okay.
	David.
	Roast Castic Decay donated $20.
	Brian, you're so fat you don't fit in your flannel anymore.
	Boom roasted.
	Nick, you got beat up by a girl.
	Boom roasted.
	Andrew you have hairy arms.
	Boom roasted.
	Gustavo doesn't know English.
	Boom.
	Damn, brutal.
	Audrey should take the helmet from Maddie to cover that.
	Hey!
	I'm getting a glare off my television.
	She hasn't.
	Her forehead's fine.
	She's got a normal forehead, bro.
	It's just the camera.
	Maybe it's what I think that Brian.
	I don't know.
	Ben George donated $20.
	The warning is the best female rock band.
	Okay.
	No.
	Thank you.
	The best rock band that exists today.
	Worth the $200.
	Check them out.
	Yo, Ben, thank you, man.
	Appreciate it, Ben.
	Anonymous donated $20.
	The girl in red is disrespectful, and the girl in the corner, wherever she is at, is disrespectful.
	You can't talk about relationships because they don't wanna answer the questions.
	Man up and tag me in.
	Thank you, and I appreciate it, brother.
	Nicholas Alexander donated $20.
	Can we talk about futurism?
	Has been great points by girl in red and both Andrew.
	But you guys didn't go deep enough.
	Why hasn't there been a female Pope president?
	We all have value debate.
	Did you fart it?
	Cal Luo gave donated $20.
	I'll take the silence as a yes.
	Are you sure it wasn't you?
	Oh, I'll take the silence as a yes.
	Maddie's huge head donated $20.
	Brian, the pod becomes religious, boring as shit pod whenever you bring on the dorky captain save a single mom.
	Look at him, that's a bag of trash.
	Hey, Mr. Tenin Charms and Tits.
	I'll smack his fat ass.
	Hey, Don.
	Hey.
	Mr. Bullet underscore slide rule donated $20.
	Ladies, if you wish to get back at Andrew, send him pineapple pizzas.
	It's his favorite hashtag pineapple pizza in the chat.
	Pineapple pizza is the win.
	696969 blah blah blah blah 69 donated $20.
	Beauty and intelligence, Audrey?
	Nah, you have neither.
	Trust us, we have number five.
	Fact check it.
	Come on.
	You fucking toaster brain strumpet.
	What's a strumpet?
	Lamb donated $20.
	Andrew, all that matters is Australia.
	Why they're calling me like that.
	But a strumpet.
	Oh, it's a permissible.
	It's like an arcade.
	A glorified word.
	No, it's like an arcade.
	Girl next to Audrey's.
	Oh, maybe that's why we don't have a lot of people.
	Definitely hotter than that tiny wrist hen.
	To top it off, she was pretty quiet.
	I'm sold, want to get married.
	Big sass energy donated $20.
	The girl in red shirt definitely farted.
	Do you want to yes or no?
	Was it?
	No, it smells like sulfur in Santa Barbara because we're by the water, idiot.
	Yeah, big sass energy.
	The misogynist donated $20.
	All you feminists suck and are degrading this country just so that you can delete babies and work for a living.
	You will have a miserable life because no real man will want to be with you.
	I farted.
	Jeremy donated $50.
	Oh, it's intriguing.
	Please give her, G1, a whatever hoodie that fits.
	Lady in yellow, thank you for speaking up.
	Maddie woke up from her nap.
	22 per day.
	22 per day?
	I do take naps a lot.
	Wait, what is he saying?
	It's okay, me too.
	Up PR Aquatic donated $25.
	For the panel, does pineapple belong on pizza?
	Raise your hand if it belongs on pizza.
	Yes, delicious.
	That is disgusting.
	You guys need to be put on your own island or something.
	That's crazy, son.
	Delicious.
	Well, I think that's it for those.
	There might be a few more that trickle in, but I will give some closing remarks here.
	Oh, yeah.
	Lloyd Christmas donated $20.
	Wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?
	What's that?
	Oh, yeah, it's fine.
	I'll get it in a sec.
	It's beautiful.
	It's beautiful.
	It's not good.
	That's beautiful, Lloyd.
	Vibrate in the dimension donated $20.
	Brian, answer this question honestly.
	What is Kiki's body count?
	My sprinkler goes like this.
	Kiki's back there.
	Nice.
	Her chastity is intact.
	She's nose.
	Her knees are broken.
	Oh, yeah.
	She's not had carnal knowledge.
	There's been no carnal knowledge.
	Red shirt and feminist cry, baby.
	God just told me not to procreate.
	Your thinking is flawed beyond the moral compass, the way a natural human is supposed to be.
	You will suffer alone like my delusional mom.
	No, come on, don't say that.
	She's gonna find a nice liberal feminist guy.
	And maybe do you want kids?
	Do you want kids?
	Yes.
	No, I was just asking.
	Yeah.
	I was just asking.
	Yeah.
	I wasn't trying to come at you or anything.
	No, no, no, it's chill.
	Do you want the guy you date to be a lip like liberal?
	Like, do you care about his politics?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	Okay.
	Dark code 9 donated $20.
	Sorry, Gustavo, she's a little bit more.
	Pineapple doesn't belong on pizza.
	Heresy.
	Oh, you're okay.
	Aubrey, would you.
	It's Audrey with a D.
	Oh, sister.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Sorry.
	What do you think of Gustavo?
	He's fine.
	He hasn't said anything.
	Face soap donated $20.
	Girl in red, it's nice to meet you.
	Feel free to use me.
	I'm better for your skin than all the caked-on makeup.
	She's not worried.
	She's not.
	Nolan donated $20.
	Audrey, you complained, Brian not doing dating topics.
	Then, when he said choose a topic, you passed it back to him.
	That's just being difficult.
	Do you do that with your BFS?
	Good for you, no rage colour.
	Whatever donated $20.
	Brian, the girl in red was disrespectful at you, called you names, rolled her eyes when you were talking, and yet you seem to be simping for her.
	I can fix her, Brian.
	I see potential.
	I see potential.
	I can fix her.
	Rito, please donated $20.
	Should we do the back video for Audrey?
	What is that?
	Is that the last thing?
	That'll be the last thing, then we'll wrap the show once these are all in.
	A lot are coming in now.
	Yo, Alvini, we'll do that.
	Grid 1 Motorsports donated $20.
	You ladies need to read Rachel Wilson's book Occult Feminism.
	Buy it on Amazon.
	I support you buying this book because Andrew gets the money to purchase more firearms.
	It's in our part now.
	It's true.
	Up PR Aquatic donated $25.
	Does anyone know how to change attire on the panel?
	Show of hands.
	And I don't even drive.
	Was that a Roman salute you were just Ben George donated $20.
	Life is like a box of whatever panelists.
	That's true.
	What is that supposed to mean?
	Like, you never know what you're gonna get.
	You know, let's go.
	Thank you, Ben.
	Ben George, thank you, man.
	Thank you, Real.
	Trump donated $20.
	Pretty sure Audrey would have looked like Daisy and Walder's kid.
	Too bad she decided to rip her into little pieces and flush it down in the toilet.
	What a degenerate.
	Ooh, yeah.
	Red sure definitely forwarded.
	I saw her lift her blank towards Maddie.
	Smell lovely.
	Um, I didn't forget Bucky Larson donated $200.
	Strumpet, a woman who has many casual sexual encounters or relationships.
	We should call sluts/slash hoes trumpets from now on.
	I'm sure you're a brave and a high-value virgin.
	I reintroduced it.
	Right.
	Make the wage gap wider, donated $20.
	Question for the panel: raise your hand if you would date a guy who donates to the whatever podcast.
	Hashtag justice for Nick.
	Hashtag mute Gustavo number 8 at 18.
	Jack the Tipper donated $20.
	Some of the women seem to be as useful as Andrew's smoke detector.
	I know I probably have to explain.
	He's been smoking like a chimney and the damn thing hasn't gone off, must be broken.
	Percy Okles donated $20.
	When Red Shirt said hookup culture benefits everyone, Yael had something to say.
	Get her Yael.
	Get her good.
	I'm proud of you for pulling up your sleeve.
	You got this.
	PR Aquatic donated $20.
	If you do, I just wanna ask, does it matter how the lug nuts go on?
	Panel, does it matter?
	Yes.
	Does it matter?
	Panel?
	I think I'm wrong.
	Yes.
	You don't, I think.
	David Tuzekiak donated $20.
	If you talk more or less about Audrey, aka Red Shirt, come to my house.
	Respect her, I'm sorry, eh?
	He's your fan.
	He's a big fan.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	Red shirt, as much as I hate your current state, you do have potential.
	Stay open-minded, drop the ad hominem attacks and the shitty attitude.
	People engage you because you can be engageable.
	That's good.
	Yeah, this is a compliment.
	Oh, Brizzy donated $21.
	Disavow.
	I hope your outlook on racism towards Caucasians doesn't come back to bite you.
	P.S. Throw that dumb thicky back, Brian, just like how throw back that Ben and Jerry's.
	What?
	Why do they think you have a dumpy?
	What's the deal with that?
	Hell no, I can't.
	They're objectifying me.
	It's fucked up.
	I know, it's really hard.
	It's tough.
	He's dressed in a uniform from Germany, and we all know how much fans they were of gas.
	Whoa, First of all, it's a Chilean, Chilean military.
	XDWHX donated $20.
	Red shirt didn't father, that was a queen.
	That's disgusting.
	But it looks like roast beef, too.
	Well, hold on.
	We don't shame Nick.
	Big Labya Matter.
	Hashtag Big Laby Matter.
	We don't shame that.
	Camo Motor homie Tony donated $20.
	Women in modernity will be safer from bears than men when enough bears die from herpes.
	Hashtag conservation hashtag save the bears.
	Don't care donated $20.
	Sweater girl, you are a real catch.
	I hope you break from your weird ex situation and get a good man.
	Thank you.
	Don't care.
	I hope so too.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	Brian, he'll be in the Santa Carl area on June 22nd weekend.
	As a tipper, I demand a date, so I can see that dumper.
	Whoa, hey, big sass.
	Hold on.
	I'm not that easy, okay?
	Vortex Rango donated $23.03.
	Can we end the show already?
	This is taking too long, mate.
	Yeah, as soon as we get done with us, you know.
	Thank you, David Treasure.
	David Tuzechiak donated $20.
	That other guy claiming to be me is Audrey is a dumb 304.
	Hey!
	The tables have turned.
	David's not a fan anymore.
	He was a fan.
	Infetis donated $20.
	Red shirt, will you treat your child with mumbo jumbo ring around the rosy gibberish nonsense?
	If you do, they will cut life short, and I will see them float to hell where my mommy Daisy will be too.
	Free Texanate donated $20.
	I feel like the gorgeous yellow shirt girl, love the braces, so freaking cute, and cute blue shirt girl are probably the freakiest of the entire panel.
	What say you?
	Come on down to Texas, playful face.
	Jeremy donated $20.
	Yeah, yeah, somebody farted.
	It was.
	it was uh it was strong it was probably ivan drago undiscoordinated hey maddie what the fuck everyone but maddie and blue shirt and the chick right next to your left brian are so pathetic and retarded possibly worthless they make daisy seem almost normal Brian, show the dumper chat needs a fix.
	Yo, shout out to we show Andrew, should we get Daisy back on, you think, or he underscore Crucible donated $21.65.
	Come on, Brian, have a show outside with Andrew Olive and Able to smoke.
	We'll do it.
	Make chimneys great again.
	Hashtag debate can gambling.
	I got you, bro.
	We got it.
	Meow meow meow donated $20.
	Andrew's wrong condemning Daisy for aborting her mongrel baby.
	As America succumbs deeper into Negro glorification, this technology will be the cornerstone of any semblance of normalcy.
	Real Trump donated $20.
	Andrew, can you please Frank Castle that red sweater girl?
	Get the fuck out.
	She's mad, disrespectful, rolling her eyes and shite.
	I bet she scored an ABN C on her hepatitis test.
	Maddie, can you read it?
	Great show.
	Another one where we ask girls for their experience and impose our worldviews upon them with straw man's infaulty analogies.
	Holy blank.
	I'm lonely.
	Can I have my $20 back?
	Okay, thank you, Swaggarino.
	Appreciate it, brother.
	Appreciate it.
	Oh, is that the end?
	Okay, I need to do.
	I'm going to do a raid, those of you on Twitch.
	Guys, follow us on Twitch, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Nick, if you pull that up super quick, guys, twitch.tv/slash whatever.
	Drop us a follow, drops a prime sub if you have one.
	And then I will be doing a raid over there on Twitch.
	Let me see.
	Those of you who are watching on Twitch, I'll try to get through this.
	Acoustic?
	Is the girl in red acoustic?
	Are you acoustic?
	No.
	Oh, okay.
	Does he mean autistic?
	It sounds like he was trying to be derogatory.
	Do you want to answer?
	That was it.
	Do you want to answer that?
	Ivan Draco underscore donated $20.
	Hey.
	Red sweater girl is the most pathetic one on the channel.
	Don't you dare.
	Don't you?
	I thought it was good.
	She did a great job.
	She did good.
	She did really good.
	There would have been nobody to argue with.
	It was good.
	Well, maybe I would have argued with you.
	And her.
	And also her.
	But you did the best at arguing.
	Oh, yeah.
	You did great.
	Okay.
	So, GG, well played to the panel.
	I'll wait until Yay Yayel is back and we'll try to wrap up here pretty soon.
	Once she's returned to the.
	X-Men donated $20.
	She's like, oh, we can answer.
	Audrey's RBF is pretty hot.
	I don't mind listening to her complain at all.
	Thanks for keeping me up till the X-Men 97 finale.
	The fart donated $20.
	All farts matter.
	They all matter.
	Patriarchy ones again.
	So true.
	Okay.
	GG, well played to the panel.
	One girl in the blue dress, she had to leave.
	These two girls, sort of a rage.
	Ivan Draco underscore donated $20.
	Send Red Shirt to fight the Taliban.
	I think it would be good for her.
	I'm really not loving the harassment.
	Some of these people have a death wish for me.
	Like, I.
	No.
	What do you want?
	Someone said that they wanted to send me to Gaza.
	I didn't like that.
	Okay.
	They're mean.
	Yeah, I just want to say that.
	I don't want to send you to Gaza.
	I don't want to send you to Gaza.
	I don't think anyone wants to send me to Gaza except for mad respect for her.
	She's pretty hot.
	Maddie, talk more.
	Maddie?
	I'll just sat down.
	I have to sit down.
	There you go.
	Do you have a response to he just paid you a compliment?
	Oh, thank you.
	That was nice.
	Okay.
	So, guys, GG, well played to the panel.
	Last call, hit the like button, please, on your way out.
	We're going to do Twitch raid, then we're going to raid Andrew.
	So you guys, he's probably going to do.
	Andrew, you're going to stream for a little longer.
	Okay, we'll do a redirect on YouTube, whatever the fuck it's called.
	So thank you for tuning in tonight.
	You could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here with me.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you to everyone who super chats and supports the show.
	Anonymous donated $21.21.
	My rufflecopter goes soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy soy Is that really what helicopters sound like?
	I'm not sure, but thank you.
	Leviathan donated $20.
	Happy Mother's Day.
	What are these people calling me and other people dumb when they're like wasting their money doing this?
	They don't want to do it.
	Okay, actually, I don't mean to antagonize.
	Sorry.
	No, I'm just.
	If you invoke their wrath, they will respond in turn.
	Doesn't it make the podcast more money, though?
	Yeah, but don't y'all want to get out?
	No, I do.
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I don't mock shit.
	I'll sit here all night.
	It's fine.
	Shit.
	Talk some more shit.
	Talk about it.
	Let's go.
	All right.
	It's Joe.
	All right.
	So thank you to everyone who super chats.
	Donate supports the show.
	Appreciate everybody who tuned in tonight.
	Really appreciate your patronage.
	Thank you, guys.
	Ivan Drago underscore donated $20.
	I've got money to spare you, dumb broad.
	Hey.
	That's not very nice, Ivan.
	Be nice.
	Okay.
	This was the roast section of the podcast.
	Everyone was good sports.
	I appreciate it.
	CWHX donated $20.
	Hey, what?
	Spellcheck.
	She farted with her Arby's roast beef sandwich.
	Red shirt is a 304.
	Please don't shame it.
	Audrey won't bang you, bro.
	What?
	W, Andrew, Brian, and Gustavo.
	Hashtag Trump2024.
	Fuck Biden and Villa.
	Damn, bro.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	You think that's real?
	$20 is cheap when you're a multi-millionaire engaging in lols.
	Yo, Big Sass Energy.
	Just want to let you guys know he owns like multiple Arby's restaurants.
	Does he actually?
	Throughout the Pacific Northwest, yes, he is a RB's millionaire, Big Sass Energy.
	No, you're lying.
	You're lying.
	No, I'm dead fucking serious.
	He's my homie.
	Stop calling.
	I think they all do.
	He's an entrepreneur.
	He's an entrepreneur.
	Check out DH3D Studio for 3D printer filaments.
	Smile.
	Shame shame on a study.
	Shameless plug, my dude.
	Okay, check it out.
	Check them out.
	Here, I'll even give you a click.
	Check out David Tosechiak donated $20.
	Audrey, massive respect to your debate skills.
	Respect.
	I really respect you and don't respect any people that talk S to you.
	I'm not wasting money.
	Hey, David's a big fan.
	He'd like to see you back on the show.
	Would you come back on the show if we talked about dating?
	Bear in the forest donated $20.
	All you whatever incels are so easily triggered.
	It's not their fault that women prefer to date tall, masculine, dangerous bears.
	What?
	What?
	On the Edge donated $20.
	Red sweatshirt girl is on the edge of going ballistic is someone says one more mean comment and I am here for IT for IT information Technology.
	Big Sass Energy donated $20.
	Please, big damage.
	I hope the owner knows I don't have a roast beef vagina, but I'm no longer interested.
	Yeah, it's not.
	I don't say that doesn't need to be public information.
	I only take a look at it.
	Ivan Draper underscore donated $20.
	How you respect abroad with the IQ of a raisin?
	Hey, come on.
	It was actually $135.
	Ivan dropped.
	That's different.
	What is it?
	133?
	Like, you took an IQ test?
	Like, I've taken a lot.
	Like, I've taken IQ tests before, and it wasn't raisin.
	No, what was it?
	You said 133?
	Yeah.
	What?
	I'm not trying to come on you.
	I'm just.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't hear you.
	That was it.
	It's fine.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Thank you for the thank you.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so thank you to everyone who super chats.
	Like I said, we will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific, guys.
	We got.
	I'm just going to announce it now.
	We have Andrew's wife, Rachel Wilson, coming in the end of May.
	She'll be here for two shows.
	Those are going to be very good.
	Perhaps we'll try to squeeze in a debate if possible.
	We do, I believe, have Andrew joining us again next week.
	We will be live again Sunday, 5 p.m. Pacific.
	Brian, in heaven, I was falling asleep on these coolest bimbos.
	Just reminds me of my killer mom saying she loves me but then killed me.
	Red shirt and Carly Girl are the same.
	Please seek a psychiatrist.
	Are you in therapy room?
	Dark code 9 donated $20.
	Red is the same tan as an impact lumpa.
	It's actually hula bronzer.
	Okay.
	So any girls who want to be on the show, DM out whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara.
	I'm going to do a quick Twitch raid.
	Nick, we're just, I don't know if we have time to do a quick react.
	Yeah, we'll do we'll do a little feel-good woke grandma really quick.
	Pull her up.
	We'll just get a little reaction there.
	I'm going to start the raid.
	We're going to raid.
	She's 82, guys.
	You better be fucking nice.
	You can roast us, but don't roast her.
	Be nice to her, okay?
	She's 82.
	She's playing World of Warcraft retail.
	We're going to do a raid.
	Thank you.
	Those of you who watch on Twitch, I'm going to send you over now.
	07's in the chat.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	Appreciate it.
	Raid sent now.
	Boom.
	So I don't need those.
	Raids.
	That should be coming through in just a sec here.
	Hello, we have a list of 30 mounts you can purchase through the event.
	You can check their appearance on our new post.
	Got a little wholesome moment here.
	At the end of the show, we're doing a little raid.
	Did I send it?
	I think I sent it.
	Oh, there it is.
	There it is.
	There it is.
	I like her setup.
	She's shocked.
	She's so cute.
	She has no words.
	She's speechless.
	What if she was like, stop fucking raiding me?
	Stop getting a remix.
	Okay, we have final dire horns.
	Did you not see it?
	All right, she's looking at mounts.
	Okay.
	I'm giving her 10 seconds here.
	Notice me, senpai.
	And I don't know.
	Notice me senpai because I'm not spending 50,000 gold on that.
	That's fair, fair.
	You don't want to spend 50,000 gold on a mount, son.
	That's a lot of gold for a mount.
	Primal?
	Okay, she's not.
	Okay, anyways.
	All right.
	She had her chance.
	Wait.
	Oh.
	Astral classes.
	Okay.
	These are the ones that are on retail.
	Damn.
	Damn, just.
	I don't have that.
	What's that word for?
	Well, I don't have that one because it doesn't want to drop for me.
	Snubbed.
	Snubbed.
	What the?
	Andrew, what are you doing?
	187.
	Snubbed.
	You can pause it.
	You can pause it.
	Snubbed.
	Okay.
	Those of you stick around on YouTube because we're going to send you over to Andrew's channel.
	We're going to send you to Andrew's channel.
	Let me just double-check.
	Oh, final thing.
	What's everybody's body count?
	Starting with you.
	Oh, two.
	What kind of question is that?
	Dating.
	Dating-related question.
	I didn't date the people I slept with, and I haven't slept with that many people.
	Wasn't.
	I'm not disclosing that on a live stream.
	Oh, that's fine.
	You don't have to.
	It is dating-related, though.
	Okay.
	Madison's just giving me the stink eye there.
	Gustavo, how many?
	You fucking strumpet.
	You fucking strumpet.
	Don't fucking lie to me.
	Tell me the truth.
	You fucking liar.
	Are you virgin?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I'm just having a little banter here.
	Okay, what about you?
	Also, zero.
	Watch!
	Wait.
	Zero?
	Yeah.
	Is that body count?
	Yeah.
	That's not what you said last time.
	You telling the truth?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You being honest?
	Why not?
	That's not what you said on the last show.
	Why would we say this when they're just going to call us a strumpet?
	Don't you remember my body count?
	I don't.
	Exactly.
	But I don't think it was zero.
	Why do you care what it is?
	It's not dating related.
	What's yours?
	I don't answer that question.
	Oh, neither do I. Why are you asking us?
	Can we guess?
	Like two and a half?
	Sure, you can guess.
	Like two and a half.
	Can I ask if it's over if it's three dating?
	I'm not going to answer.
	I'm not answering any questions.
	I'm not answering any questions.
	What about you?
	I tried.
	Single digit.
	Okay.
	That's all I'm really going to say.
	Yeah, single digit.
	All right, there you have it, folks.
	Dating-related question at the end of the podcast.
	She doesn't think it's dating-related, but it is what it is.
	Really?
	Zero, son?
	Oh, my God.
	Really?
	That's what we're ending it off on?
	Okay.
	It just seems a little.
	Ya yell.
	Ya yell.
	You think it's zero?
	I don't think it's my business, and nor do I care.
	Nick, mute the audio.
	Don't fucking mute it.
	What do you think it is?
	No, I like literally could not give less of a shit.
	Okay, the audio is muted.
	Just tell us.
	I literally don't.
	Why would anyone care?
	Just like for curiosity, the audio is muted.
	Just tell us.
	Oh, for shits and gigs then?
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	What?
	I was just kidding.
	audio was muted.
	So, next.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Oh, my God, bro.
	Wait.
	Okay, we're good.
	All right, guys.
	We're wrapping up the show.
	Guys, I'm sending you over to Andrew's channel.
	Thank you guys for tuning in.
	Really appreciate it.
	Was there anything?
	I feel like we're forgetting one thing.
	Okay, they're all pissed at me.
	All right.
	07's in the chat.
	Good night, guys.

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